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xx What is the difference between reality and dream?
« Thread started on: Jun 13th, 2012, 11:51pm »

What is the difference between reality and dream?

Any person who spends enough time reading reports of UFOs, Alien Abductions, Multidimensional Realities, Ghosts, Apparitions, Doppelgangers, Shadow Beings, Cryptozoology, Missing Time, Time Slips, Strange Sounds, Unusual Objects Falling From the Sky, Odd Behaviour Of Rain, Odd Disappearances, Bilocation, Apports, Near Death Experiences, Out Of Body Experiences, Astral Travel, Dreams, Talking To Deceased Loved Ones In Dreams, Talking To Strangers In Dreams, Hypnosis, and so forth.... After a while you begin to realise that dreams and reality are almost identical.... apart from the sceptics and scientists that continually try to keep our perception of reality fixed and static.

People try to keep focused on this consensus of reality, matter of fact we are taught from birth to stay focused on this consensus and its dramas, then when these other things enter in, we think we are going crazy, and in fact that has been a mainstay with sceptics and science to use....

If we can feel pain, sorrow, happiness, solidity, or even die in dreams; If some people have brought physical objects out of dreams; Who can then say it is materially different from waking? If we experience lost time, seeing ghosts, UFOs, and Abductions in the waking world, who can say being awake is any more real than dreaming? Are they not then just two different aspects of the same total reality?

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xx Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
« Reply #1 on: Jun 14th, 2012, 3:42pm »

I can well understand your point but it`s very much Twilight Zone area here, physical objects out of dreams, could you expand on this? PowerKnight wink
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 14th, 2012, 9:02pm »

on Jun 14th, 2012, 3:42pm, PowerKnight wrote:
I can well understand your point but it`s very much Twilight Zone area here, physical objects out of dreams, could you expand on this? PowerKnight wink


Hello PowerKnight

Thank you for taking the time to read my post and respond. smiley

The answer you seek is in this thread...:
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dreamsmeanings&num=1316414610&start=0

Not only are some able to bring physical objects out of dreams, there are those that have been able to bring physical objects out of thin air while awake. I read many years ago of a spiritualist that could materialize objects... one instance a fresh rose plucked from the air. The holy man Sai Baba was also said to be able to produce apports. A friend of mine whose best friend was a doctor, and had heard of Sai Baba wanted to expose Sai Baba as a fake so travelled overseas to see him with his son. Sai Baba welcomed him and produced right out of the air a coin that was hundreds of years old and handed it to the doctor’s son.

People report seeing ghosts in reality, but also people report seeing ghosts in dreams... People report being abducted while asleep, but also people report being abducted during waking time....The world is loaded with reports of high strangeness. From my point of view, at least, I cannot see much difference from the world of dream and the world of reality. They both share common factors; from the instances I have posted, which should also include miraculous healings that defy logic.... so are we dreaming we are awake?

Do we dream that we are born, live a life, and then die? If so it is still true because if reality is a dream and dreams are reality, then the dream is all that we have and when it ends, so does reality for us.

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xx Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
« Reply #3 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 08:29am »

on Jun 13th, 2012, 11:51pm, Layla wrote:
What is the difference between reality and dream?

Any person who spends enough time reading reports of UFOs, Alien Abductions, Multidimensional Realities, Ghosts, Apparitions, Doppelgangers, Shadow Beings, Cryptozoology, Missing Time, Time Slips, Strange Sounds, Unusual Objects Falling From the Sky, Odd Behaviour Of Rain, Odd Disappearances, Bilocation, Apports, Near Death Experiences, Out Of Body Experiences, Astral Travel, Dreams, Talking To Deceased Loved Ones In Dreams, Talking To Strangers In Dreams, Hypnosis, and so forth.... After a while you begin to realise that dreams and reality are almost identical.... apart from the sceptics and scientists that continually try to keep our perception of reality fixed and static.

People try to keep focused on this consensus of reality, matter of fact we are taught from birth to stay focused on this consensus and its dramas, then when these other things enter in, we think we are going crazy, and in fact that has been a mainstay with sceptics and science to use....

If we can feel pain, sorrow, happiness, solidity, or even die in dreams; If some people have brought physical objects out of dreams; Who can then say it is materially different from waking? If we experience lost time, seeing ghosts, UFOs, and Abductions in the waking world, who can say being awake is any more real than dreaming? Are they not then just two different aspects of the same total reality?

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It is interesting how much we focus on the conscious mind because we accept it as factual but in reality the conscious mind is closed to everything except our conscious and preconceived thoughts. The subconscious is the true open mind and we usually only access it in dreams. While I've never brought back anything from a dream I have dreamed of lost things and found them where they were in the dreams.

Interesting post Layla!!!
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 08:40am »

Layla,

If you want a test to find out if you are awake or dreaming, try this.

Next time you are close to a road and there is a truck approaching; Step in from of it.

If you are dreaming you will wake up.

Best be sure you are making the right choice though.

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xx Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
« Reply #5 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 08:59am »

on Jun 15th, 2012, 08:40am, HAL9000 wrote:
Layla,

If you want a test to find out if you are awake or dreaming, try this.

Next time you are close to a road and there is a truck approaching; Step in from of it.

If you are dreaming you will wake up.

Best be sure you are making the right choice though.

HAL

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Actually Hal I think she makes some good points. Even if a dream comes from the subconscious mind the dreamer still knows right from wrong and won't step in front of a truck. Actually deja vu experiences occur when in our awake, conscious state we experience something we first experienced in the subconscious. Usually from a dream.
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xx Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
« Reply #6 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 09:11am »

Yes Layla is was Luvey`s post and experience and although I have read reports of such in the past if indeed Luvey`s account is correct along with others although they are very rare experiences why not!!!huh Answers I just don`t know of any who does, I have had such strength and conviction in dreams more so in the past during childhood and even later at times I`m not quite sure if they were actually a reality or a dream state. The power of dreams are fascinating and an insight into another dimension we just don`t fully understand. PowerKnight wink
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 09:16am »

GForce,

...Actually Hal I think she makes some good points. Even if a dream comes from the subconscious mind the dreamer still knows right from wrong and won't step in front of a truck. Actually deja vu experiences occur when in our awake, conscious state we experience something we first experienced in the subconscious. Usually from a dream. ..

I would disagree on a couple of points.

Right or wrong doesn't enter into the dream situation. In dreams I have often killed people. Something I would never do in reality; except in self defense. So there is no logical judgment in a dream. People often mention flying, but we all know that you can't fly.
As for the truck idea. If you are awake you won't step out because you will be aware of the consequences.

The deja vu experience is a bit more open to question.

I take it to mean that you find yourself in some kind of situation that you feel you have experienced before. And I have had this happen to me. And yes, it did involve finding myself , in reality, in a situation I had dreamed of.

It was during an interview for a job. The surprise was so great that I declined the job.

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« Reply #8 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 09:42am »

on Jun 15th, 2012, 09:16am, HAL9000 wrote:
GForce,

...Actually Hal I think she makes some good points. Even if a dream comes from the subconscious mind the dreamer still knows right from wrong and won't step in front of a truck. Actually deja vu experiences occur when in our awake, conscious state we experience something we first experienced in the subconscious. Usually from a dream. ..

I would disagree on a couple of points.

Right or wrong doesn't enter into the dream situation. In dreams I have often killed people. Something I would never do in reality; except in self defense. So there is no logical judgment in a dream. People often mention flying, but we all know that you can't fly.
As for the truck idea. If you are awake you won't step out because you will be aware of the consequences.

The deja vu experience is a bit more open to question.

I take it to mean that you find yourself in some kind of situation that you feel you have experienced before. And I have had this happen to me. And yes, it did involve finding myself , in reality, in a situation I had dreamed of.

It was during an interview for a job. The surprise was so great that I declined the job.

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I would agree with you Hal except there's different types of dreams. One being thought driven. Those are like the one you mention where you may shoot someone or rob a bank. Those come from things such as movies or television shows that may influence us and replay while we're asleep. Lucid, subconscious dreams are usually message dreams where our brain is shut down and not influenced by thoughts. Open in that sense. Whether we believe in Spirit Guides, Astral Projection, Remote Viewing etc it can only come when we're in a receptive mode.

The experience you mention Hal is a good example. The fact you turned it down may have been what you were supposed to do. It may be the reason you had the deja vu pop up. I believe we have guides and we receive messages as we need them. I've been awake and make choices I wouldn't normally make like taking the a back road instead of a highway because I feel there's been a wreck and traffic is backed up. Yes a wreck did occur and traffic was backed up. It's happened more than once. Is it from being psychic or was I given the information by outside forces?

People who are open like Luvey who was the author of the link Layla posted are somewhat rare although there's more folks like that than you think. We're all open at times most often we say it's a gut feeling because it is. It's a hunch. In your case it shocked you enough you turned the job down. WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU FEEL? Not screaming just very curious because it made such an impact. Those feelings guided you and CHANGED your path. Do you ever think what...where you would be had you took the job? Are you happy where you're at now? I'd honestly love to hear more. Dan
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« Reply #9 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 10:07am »

Hello GForce, PowerKnight and Hal9000

Thank you for taking an interest in my posts....btw GForce excellent posts..! smiley

The conscious mind could be likened to the deer caught in the headlights of a car... Dazzled by what it sees.....

This focus on what we see and hear (dramas of life) has been called “caught in the glamour”.

When the conscious mind has nothing to focus on, and takes rest, we experience an altered state of mind where the subconscious can influence our conscious thoughts. The subconscious mind runs more on its instincts and emotions than intellect, it is our animal self.

Although I haven’t received information on where to find a lost object, I have however received other types of messages in dreams.

If during “lucid dreaming” we can control the dream... then it should hold true that if we are dreaming we are awake, then we should also be able to control our reality dream.

To address Hal9000

How would walking in front of a truck prove I am not dreaming if we can also feel pain and die in dreams?

Hal9000, have you ever read about this case?

http://www.colinandrews.net/I84-CT-InjuredManWalkedAway-Comments.html

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« Reply #10 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 12:49pm »

on Jun 15th, 2012, 10:07am, Layla wrote:
The subconscious mind runs more on its instincts and emotions than intellect, it is our animal self.

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Good point! It (subconscious mind) also doesn't have any processing filters. You don't rationalize what you're getting, seeing or hearing until...well your conscious mind kicks in.
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on Jun 15th, 2012, 12:49pm, GForce wrote:
Good point! It (subconscious mind) also doesn't have any processing filters. You don't rationalize what you're getting, seeing or hearing until...well your conscious mind kicks in.


Hello GForce

The filters of the subconscious are what we call instinct and ingrained early training. As you pointed out it has very little, if any, processing ability. All action from the subconscious is of the “knee-jerk" variety. Danger appears = fight or flight, ingrained moral teachings violated = defend ideas without preponderance. The subconscious does not initiate actions, it only reacts.

There is one component however that is being left out.... “The Observer”. Other names for it are the “Superconscious” or “Higher Self”. The conscious and subconscious minds are aligned with our physical body, but the Observer exists beyond space and time. The Observer can connect to every other mind on the planet. It is that part of us that was with us before we were born and will survive after our death. The Observer watches all and records every detail.... Whether we believe or deny its existence, or have or have not experienced our mind elevated into it; it is still there.... watching and recording. It is our pathway to knowledge and understanding of ourselves.

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« Reply #12 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 06:03am »

Layla,

...How would walking in front of a truck prove I am not dreaming if we can also feel pain and die in dreams?..

If you were awake you would be found dead under a truck. Not so if you died during a dream.

GForce,

It was a very long time ago, I do remember the instant recognition. That I had seen this scene before. And It made me feel uncomfortable.
I have had a few similar things happen. So I wasn't surprised too much. I don't attribute these 'happenings ' to anything specific like messages from some other time or place. I tend to treat them just as I treat the ufo experience. I need solid proof.
When you consider that, at the lowest levels, all we are is a collection of sub-atomic particles, most of which consist of a lot of empty space, then who knows what is really going on.
So I don't worry about it. When I die I'll find out; or I won't.
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Of course, empty space isn't really empty.
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« Reply #13 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 06:12am »

And if you take it a step further, The particles we are mad of are just themselves fields, then we are only a careful assembly of force fields.
Pretty clever trick really.
And thinking too much about that is a sure way to a padded cell.

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...How would walking in front of a truck prove I am not dreaming if we can also feel pain and die in dreams?..

If you were awake you would be found dead under a truck. Not so if you died during a dream.

When you consider that, at the lowest levels, all we are is a collection of sub-atomic particles, most of which consist of a lot of empty space, then who knows what is really going on.
And if you take it a step further, The particles we are mad of are just themselves fields, then we are only a careful assembly of force fields.
Pretty clever trick really.
And thinking too much about that is a sure way to a padded cell.


Hello HAL9000

If I were awake and hit by a truck, then it would be those dreaming that I was dead who would find me... How would one know that if I died during a dream that someone else in another time or place is finding me dead in their dream?

There are those that defy all the accepted laws of nature.... like in the link I provided in an earlier post.... and there are more than one of those types of people.

It is true that we are made of particles or waves of energy.... are those waves of energy controlled by our beliefs and fears?

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