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What is the difference between reality and dream?
Post by Layla on Jun 13th, 2012, 11:51pm

What is the difference between reality and dream?

Any person who spends enough time reading reports of UFOs, Alien Abductions, Multidimensional Realities, Ghosts, Apparitions, Doppelgangers, Shadow Beings, Cryptozoology, Missing Time, Time Slips, Strange Sounds, Unusual Objects Falling From the Sky, Odd Behaviour Of Rain, Odd Disappearances, Bilocation, Apports, Near Death Experiences, Out Of Body Experiences, Astral Travel, Dreams, Talking To Deceased Loved Ones In Dreams, Talking To Strangers In Dreams, Hypnosis, and so forth.... After a while you begin to realise that dreams and reality are almost identical.... apart from the sceptics and scientists that continually try to keep our perception of reality fixed and static.

People try to keep focused on this consensus of reality, matter of fact we are taught from birth to stay focused on this consensus and its dramas, then when these other things enter in, we think we are going crazy, and in fact that has been a mainstay with sceptics and science to use....

If we can feel pain, sorrow, happiness, solidity, or even die in dreams; If some people have brought physical objects out of dreams; Who can then say it is materially different from waking? If we experience lost time, seeing ghosts, UFOs, and Abductions in the waking world, who can say being awake is any more real than dreaming? Are they not then just two different aspects of the same total reality?

Layla
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by PowerKnight on Jun 14th, 2012, 3:42pm

I can well understand your point but it`s very much Twilight Zone area here, physical objects out of dreams, could you expand on this? PowerKnight wink
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Layla on Jun 14th, 2012, 9:02pm

on Jun 14th, 2012, 3:42pm, PowerKnight wrote:
I can well understand your point but it`s very much Twilight Zone area here, physical objects out of dreams, could you expand on this? PowerKnight wink


Hello PowerKnight

Thank you for taking the time to read my post and respond. smiley

The answer you seek is in this thread...:
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dreamsmeanings&num=1316414610&start=0

Not only are some able to bring physical objects out of dreams, there are those that have been able to bring physical objects out of thin air while awake. I read many years ago of a spiritualist that could materialize objects... one instance a fresh rose plucked from the air. The holy man Sai Baba was also said to be able to produce apports. A friend of mine whose best friend was a doctor, and had heard of Sai Baba wanted to expose Sai Baba as a fake so travelled overseas to see him with his son. Sai Baba welcomed him and produced right out of the air a coin that was hundreds of years old and handed it to the doctor’s son.

People report seeing ghosts in reality, but also people report seeing ghosts in dreams... People report being abducted while asleep, but also people report being abducted during waking time....The world is loaded with reports of high strangeness. From my point of view, at least, I cannot see much difference from the world of dream and the world of reality. They both share common factors; from the instances I have posted, which should also include miraculous healings that defy logic.... so are we dreaming we are awake?

Do we dream that we are born, live a life, and then die? If so it is still true because if reality is a dream and dreams are reality, then the dream is all that we have and when it ends, so does reality for us.

Layla

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by GForce on Jun 15th, 2012, 08:29am

on Jun 13th, 2012, 11:51pm, Layla wrote:
What is the difference between reality and dream?

Any person who spends enough time reading reports of UFOs, Alien Abductions, Multidimensional Realities, Ghosts, Apparitions, Doppelgangers, Shadow Beings, Cryptozoology, Missing Time, Time Slips, Strange Sounds, Unusual Objects Falling From the Sky, Odd Behaviour Of Rain, Odd Disappearances, Bilocation, Apports, Near Death Experiences, Out Of Body Experiences, Astral Travel, Dreams, Talking To Deceased Loved Ones In Dreams, Talking To Strangers In Dreams, Hypnosis, and so forth.... After a while you begin to realise that dreams and reality are almost identical.... apart from the sceptics and scientists that continually try to keep our perception of reality fixed and static.

People try to keep focused on this consensus of reality, matter of fact we are taught from birth to stay focused on this consensus and its dramas, then when these other things enter in, we think we are going crazy, and in fact that has been a mainstay with sceptics and science to use....

If we can feel pain, sorrow, happiness, solidity, or even die in dreams; If some people have brought physical objects out of dreams; Who can then say it is materially different from waking? If we experience lost time, seeing ghosts, UFOs, and Abductions in the waking world, who can say being awake is any more real than dreaming? Are they not then just two different aspects of the same total reality?

Layla


It is interesting how much we focus on the conscious mind because we accept it as factual but in reality the conscious mind is closed to everything except our conscious and preconceived thoughts. The subconscious is the true open mind and we usually only access it in dreams. While I've never brought back anything from a dream I have dreamed of lost things and found them where they were in the dreams.

Interesting post Layla!!!

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by HAL9000 on Jun 15th, 2012, 08:40am

Layla,

If you want a test to find out if you are awake or dreaming, try this.

Next time you are close to a road and there is a truck approaching; Step in from of it.

If you are dreaming you will wake up.

Best be sure you are making the right choice though.

HAL

smiley
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by GForce on Jun 15th, 2012, 08:59am

on Jun 15th, 2012, 08:40am, HAL9000 wrote:
Layla,

If you want a test to find out if you are awake or dreaming, try this.

Next time you are close to a road and there is a truck approaching; Step in from of it.

If you are dreaming you will wake up.

Best be sure you are making the right choice though.

HAL

smiley


Actually Hal I think she makes some good points. Even if a dream comes from the subconscious mind the dreamer still knows right from wrong and won't step in front of a truck. Actually deja vu experiences occur when in our awake, conscious state we experience something we first experienced in the subconscious. Usually from a dream.
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by PowerKnight on Jun 15th, 2012, 09:11am

Yes Layla is was Luvey`s post and experience and although I have read reports of such in the past if indeed Luvey`s account is correct along with others although they are very rare experiences why not!!!huh Answers I just don`t know of any who does, I have had such strength and conviction in dreams more so in the past during childhood and even later at times I`m not quite sure if they were actually a reality or a dream state. The power of dreams are fascinating and an insight into another dimension we just don`t fully understand. PowerKnight wink
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by HAL9000 on Jun 15th, 2012, 09:16am

GForce,

...Actually Hal I think she makes some good points. Even if a dream comes from the subconscious mind the dreamer still knows right from wrong and won't step in front of a truck. Actually deja vu experiences occur when in our awake, conscious state we experience something we first experienced in the subconscious. Usually from a dream. ..

I would disagree on a couple of points.

Right or wrong doesn't enter into the dream situation. In dreams I have often killed people. Something I would never do in reality; except in self defense. So there is no logical judgment in a dream. People often mention flying, but we all know that you can't fly.
As for the truck idea. If you are awake you won't step out because you will be aware of the consequences.

The deja vu experience is a bit more open to question.

I take it to mean that you find yourself in some kind of situation that you feel you have experienced before. And I have had this happen to me. And yes, it did involve finding myself , in reality, in a situation I had dreamed of.

It was during an interview for a job. The surprise was so great that I declined the job.

HAL
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by GForce on Jun 15th, 2012, 09:42am

on Jun 15th, 2012, 09:16am, HAL9000 wrote:
GForce,

...Actually Hal I think she makes some good points. Even if a dream comes from the subconscious mind the dreamer still knows right from wrong and won't step in front of a truck. Actually deja vu experiences occur when in our awake, conscious state we experience something we first experienced in the subconscious. Usually from a dream. ..

I would disagree on a couple of points.

Right or wrong doesn't enter into the dream situation. In dreams I have often killed people. Something I would never do in reality; except in self defense. So there is no logical judgment in a dream. People often mention flying, but we all know that you can't fly.
As for the truck idea. If you are awake you won't step out because you will be aware of the consequences.

The deja vu experience is a bit more open to question.

I take it to mean that you find yourself in some kind of situation that you feel you have experienced before. And I have had this happen to me. And yes, it did involve finding myself , in reality, in a situation I had dreamed of.

It was during an interview for a job. The surprise was so great that I declined the job.

HAL


I would agree with you Hal except there's different types of dreams. One being thought driven. Those are like the one you mention where you may shoot someone or rob a bank. Those come from things such as movies or television shows that may influence us and replay while we're asleep. Lucid, subconscious dreams are usually message dreams where our brain is shut down and not influenced by thoughts. Open in that sense. Whether we believe in Spirit Guides, Astral Projection, Remote Viewing etc it can only come when we're in a receptive mode.

The experience you mention Hal is a good example. The fact you turned it down may have been what you were supposed to do. It may be the reason you had the deja vu pop up. I believe we have guides and we receive messages as we need them. I've been awake and make choices I wouldn't normally make like taking the a back road instead of a highway because I feel there's been a wreck and traffic is backed up. Yes a wreck did occur and traffic was backed up. It's happened more than once. Is it from being psychic or was I given the information by outside forces?

People who are open like Luvey who was the author of the link Layla posted are somewhat rare although there's more folks like that than you think. We're all open at times most often we say it's a gut feeling because it is. It's a hunch. In your case it shocked you enough you turned the job down. WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU FEEL? Not screaming just very curious because it made such an impact. Those feelings guided you and CHANGED your path. Do you ever think what...where you would be had you took the job? Are you happy where you're at now? I'd honestly love to hear more. Dan
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Layla on Jun 15th, 2012, 10:07am

Hello GForce, PowerKnight and Hal9000

Thank you for taking an interest in my posts....btw GForce excellent posts..! smiley

The conscious mind could be likened to the deer caught in the headlights of a car... Dazzled by what it sees.....

This focus on what we see and hear (dramas of life) has been called “caught in the glamour”.

When the conscious mind has nothing to focus on, and takes rest, we experience an altered state of mind where the subconscious can influence our conscious thoughts. The subconscious mind runs more on its instincts and emotions than intellect, it is our animal self.

Although I haven’t received information on where to find a lost object, I have however received other types of messages in dreams.

If during “lucid dreaming” we can control the dream... then it should hold true that if we are dreaming we are awake, then we should also be able to control our reality dream.

To address Hal9000

How would walking in front of a truck prove I am not dreaming if we can also feel pain and die in dreams?

Hal9000, have you ever read about this case?

http://www.colinandrews.net/I84-CT-InjuredManWalkedAway-Comments.html

Layla

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by GForce on Jun 15th, 2012, 12:49pm

on Jun 15th, 2012, 10:07am, Layla wrote:
The subconscious mind runs more on its instincts and emotions than intellect, it is our animal self.

Layla


Good point! It (subconscious mind) also doesn't have any processing filters. You don't rationalize what you're getting, seeing or hearing until...well your conscious mind kicks in.
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Layla on Jun 15th, 2012, 9:46pm

on Jun 15th, 2012, 12:49pm, GForce wrote:
Good point! It (subconscious mind) also doesn't have any processing filters. You don't rationalize what you're getting, seeing or hearing until...well your conscious mind kicks in.


Hello GForce

The filters of the subconscious are what we call instinct and ingrained early training. As you pointed out it has very little, if any, processing ability. All action from the subconscious is of the “knee-jerk" variety. Danger appears = fight or flight, ingrained moral teachings violated = defend ideas without preponderance. The subconscious does not initiate actions, it only reacts.

There is one component however that is being left out.... “The Observer”. Other names for it are the “Superconscious” or “Higher Self”. The conscious and subconscious minds are aligned with our physical body, but the Observer exists beyond space and time. The Observer can connect to every other mind on the planet. It is that part of us that was with us before we were born and will survive after our death. The Observer watches all and records every detail.... Whether we believe or deny its existence, or have or have not experienced our mind elevated into it; it is still there.... watching and recording. It is our pathway to knowledge and understanding of ourselves.

Layla

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by HAL9000 on Jun 16th, 2012, 06:03am

Layla,

...How would walking in front of a truck prove I am not dreaming if we can also feel pain and die in dreams?..

If you were awake you would be found dead under a truck. Not so if you died during a dream.

GForce,

It was a very long time ago, I do remember the instant recognition. That I had seen this scene before. And It made me feel uncomfortable.
I have had a few similar things happen. So I wasn't surprised too much. I don't attribute these 'happenings ' to anything specific like messages from some other time or place. I tend to treat them just as I treat the ufo experience. I need solid proof.
When you consider that, at the lowest levels, all we are is a collection of sub-atomic particles, most of which consist of a lot of empty space, then who knows what is really going on.
So I don't worry about it. When I die I'll find out; or I won't.
smiley

HAL

Of course, empty space isn't really empty.
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by HAL9000 on Jun 16th, 2012, 06:12am

And if you take it a step further, The particles we are mad of are just themselves fields, then we are only a careful assembly of force fields.
Pretty clever trick really.
And thinking too much about that is a sure way to a padded cell.

HAL
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Layla on Jun 16th, 2012, 07:35am

Quote:
Layla,

...How would walking in front of a truck prove I am not dreaming if we can also feel pain and die in dreams?..

If you were awake you would be found dead under a truck. Not so if you died during a dream.

When you consider that, at the lowest levels, all we are is a collection of sub-atomic particles, most of which consist of a lot of empty space, then who knows what is really going on.
And if you take it a step further, The particles we are mad of are just themselves fields, then we are only a careful assembly of force fields.
Pretty clever trick really.
And thinking too much about that is a sure way to a padded cell.


Hello HAL9000

If I were awake and hit by a truck, then it would be those dreaming that I was dead who would find me... How would one know that if I died during a dream that someone else in another time or place is finding me dead in their dream?

There are those that defy all the accepted laws of nature.... like in the link I provided in an earlier post.... and there are more than one of those types of people.

It is true that we are made of particles or waves of energy.... are those waves of energy controlled by our beliefs and fears?

Layla

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by HAL9000 on Jun 16th, 2012, 08:56am

Layla,

...If I were awake and hit by a truck, then it would be those dreaming that I was dead who would find me... How would one know that if I died during a dream that someone else in another time or place is finding me dead in their dream?

Sorry, you've lost me there.

HAL

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by purr on Jun 16th, 2012, 4:08pm

on Jun 16th, 2012, 07:35am, Layla wrote:
Hello HAL9000

If I were awake and hit by a truck, then it would be those dreaming that I was dead who would find me... How would one know that if I died during a dream that someone else in another time or place is finding me dead in their dream?

There are those that defy all the accepted laws of nature.... like in the link I provided in an earlier post.... and there are more than one of those types of people.

It is true that we are made of particles or waves of energy.... are those waves of energy controlled by our beliefs and fears?

Layla


Hello Layla. I'm beginnig to think that to your mind dreams, similar to our reality, are like dimensions/alternate worlds. Each dimension then has a reality of its own, as does Space-Time, the place where HAL9000 fears getting hit by speeding trucks (not unreasonably so, by the way).

Using common sense (Earth-sense) I do believe we can differentiate between dreams and this reality.

But I tend to agree they each could be different versions of reality. I had the privilege of working with a dream mentor for a year. All the guy did was making sure I immediately recorded each dream I could, night by night. Life changing experience, because my dreams conveyed to me I really was alive, really existed, however strange this sounds. So my 2 Eurocents worth is that dreams are very important to us here.


purr
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by icepick on Jun 16th, 2012, 9:36pm

Just a quick side note, but what about the Aborigines who believe that the dream world is the real world, and it is this one which was created by the mind?

Hal, what about the instance of a person with a weak heart? Would they be able to survive such a harsh shock in their dreams?

Tim
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Layla on Jun 16th, 2012, 11:09pm

Good point Icepick, matter of fact I read an article the other day that mentions Australian aboriginal beliefs.

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/quantum-dream-portals-and-extraterrestrial-realities

Layla


on Jun 16th, 2012, 9:36pm, icepick wrote:
Just a quick side note, but what about the Aborigines who believe that the dream world is the real world, and it is this one which was created by the mind?

Hal, what about the instance of a person with a weak heart? Would they be able to survive such a harsh shock in their dreams?

Tim

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Layla on Jun 16th, 2012, 11:15pm

Quote:
Layla,

...If I were awake and hit by a truck, then it would be those dreaming that I was dead who would find me... How would one know that if I died during a dream that someone else in another time or place is finding me dead in their dream?

Sorry, you've lost me there.

HAL


Quote:
Hello Layla. I'm beginnig to think that to your mind dreams, similar to our reality, are like dimensions/alternate worlds. Each dimension then has a reality of its own, as does Space-Time, the place where HAL9000 fears getting hit by speeding trucks (not unreasonably so, by the way).

Using common sense (Earth-sense) I do believe we can differentiate between dreams and this reality.

But I tend to agree they each could be different versions of reality. I had the privilege of working with a dream mentor for a year. All the guy did was making sure I immediately recorded each dream I could, night by night. Life changing experience, because my dreams conveyed to me I really was alive, really existed, however strange this sounds. So my 2 Eurocents worth is that dreams are very important to us here.


purr


Hello Hal and Purr

The answer lays hidden in the first couple of posts.... if there are those that can defy the accepted laws of nature, then what is reality? Is reality such because we believe so strongly that it is? There are literally thousands and thousands of reports showing us that reality is not what we think it is........ Quantum theory in fact says that it is very, very different.

Apart from spontaneous healing, there are other strange reports that have been made by the thousands down through the years. One such report is on the link I provided earlier where the policeman reported seeing a man climb out of a speeding car... skid, bump and roll along the road for 75 yards then stop along the center divider. The policeman stopped and ran to the man lying unconscious with his clothes in tatters. He checked that he was still breathing and had a pulse.

Later the man got up and walked to the policeman who was calling for help and said.... “You can’t die unless you want to die”. He then climbed back into the car that had backed up and got in and the car drove away. There are other similar reports of that nature too. These sorts of reports are telling us that the reality we think we experience is not what it appears to be.

The act of bringing a material object out of a dream shows that dreams are just as real as reality. So then it holds true that this reality is a dream too.....

Another indication is synchronicity.... the more aligned a person becomes with the superconsciousness, the more they experience synchronicity; thoughts are mirrored right back. We can think in dreams and the dream shifts instantly.... we think in reality and experience synchronicity. From the many reports I have read it appears to me that the more aligned a person becomes with the superconsciousness the things they can do tend to appear magical and immortal to others.

Layla

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by HAL9000 on Jun 17th, 2012, 1:33pm

Icepick,

...Hal, what about the instance of a person with a weak heart? Would they be able to survive such a harsh shock in their dreams?..

It seems that usually they do. But if they didn't you would never know why they died.

HAL
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by GForce on Jun 17th, 2012, 1:43pm

on Jun 17th, 2012, 1:33pm, HAL9000 wrote:
Icepick,

...Hal, what about the instance of a person with a weak heart? Would they be able to survive such a harsh shock in their dreams?..

It seems that usually they do. But if they didn't you would never know why they died.

HAL


A lot of people do die in their sleep! I've awaken will a pulse rate around 150. I know I checked it. Of course being chased in a jungle by lions or mayans will do that do you! grin
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 17th, 2012, 1:49pm

on Jun 17th, 2012, 1:33pm, HAL9000 wrote:
Icepick,

...Hal, what about the instance of a person with a weak heart? Would they be able to survive such a harsh shock in their dreams?..

It seems that usually they do. But if they didn't you would never know why they died.

HAL


Oy, does that statement bring back some harsh memories! Back in the 60's, I had a neighbor who had lived through the Holocaust! Been in both the Polish Ghetto and two concentration camps!

When I first moved in I would wake up some nights hearing him scream! He would wake up and then get dressed and leave the apartment to walk around and gather his thoughts! It could be 3AM and we would here him close his door and walk away. One morning he came to my door and apologized for any disturbance. I told him to forget about it and deal with it as needed. I totally understood. We would talk sometimes and he told many stories of his life! He was an engineer by trade! He was in his 70's then! I lived there for two years and about three months after I left, I heard he had died in his sleep. I always wondered if it was those nightmares that stopped his heart. He had lost twelve members of his immediate family. Some in the Polish Ghetto and some in Birkinau! He had witnessed many of their deaths! He was the last of his family!

Lone
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by HAL9000 on Jun 17th, 2012, 2:05pm

Lone,

It may have done. But he was getting old, so maybe it was just natural.

I guess he's at peace now.

HAL
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by HAL9000 on Jun 17th, 2012, 2:10pm

GForce,

..Of course being chased in a jungle by lions or mayans will do that do you!..

I've found that being chased down a motorway by a seven foot roller skating Zulu who was swinging a multicoloured python around his head has a similar effect.

HAL
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by icepick on Jun 17th, 2012, 6:37pm

on Jun 17th, 2012, 1:33pm, HAL9000 wrote:
Icepick,

...Hal, what about the instance of a person with a weak heart? Would they be able to survive such a harsh shock in their dreams?..

It seems that usually they do. But if they didn't you would never know why they died.

HAL


Very true Hal. I was just wondering about the possibility. I have seen people do amazing things unbelievable enough that mind over matter is the only possible explanation. We may all be both right and wrong on this topic, simply because the powers of the human mind are something so foreign and mysterious to us that scientists are only now beginning to spot the phenomena of such in a manner they can address in a scientific manner.

We now know just enough to realize that the human mind does possess some sort of fantastic abilities. But our positive knowledge doesn't go any further, does it? Might this be a bit of evolution in progress?

Tim
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Layla on Jun 17th, 2012, 11:42pm

Hello smiley

From the literally thousands of reports of high strangeness..... if one takes the time to read them realises that reality is not what it appears to be, and that truth is in fact stranger than fiction. If reports of odd disappearances and reappearances, bilocation, being hit by a truck and getting up and walking away, apports and asports, spontaneous healing and all manner of other unusual phenomena doesn’t give us pause to think deeper on the nature of reality, then what will? And dare I even mention the illusive nature of UFOs....


What if it’s just a matter of what we are taught from birth.... to focus our attention more outward instead of inwards? There have been many down through the ages that have pointed the way..... It seems to me the greatest hurdle to understanding just what we are and using our natural abilities is FEAR. Carl Jung, referred to the “superconscious mind. ” He felt that the collective wisdom and knowledge of all the ages was contained in the superconscious mind and was available to everyone. Our superconscious mind can access every piece of information stored in our conscious and subconscious minds. It can also access data and ideas outside our own experience, because it actually lies outside our human mind. This is why it is called a form of universal or infinite intelligence.

Today life coaches tell us to visualize what we desire.... is this not like altering a dream as in a lucid dream? I have tried the visualization and it does work, sometimes it appears like magic. So if we can focus our minds on something and have it come into being, how does that make this life real and a lucid dream just a dream? If anyone can bring a material object out of a dream, then dreams are as real as this life.

I believe there is evolution in progress, and is this not the time that many believe change will happen? Apocalypse means “lifting of the veil”.... The veil from my understanding that is being spoken of is the “veil over our eyes....” being caught like that deer in the headlights of a car...”the glamour.” Lifting the veil to me means awakening to the greater reality, of who we are and our natural abilities; our birthright. These abilities however must never be used to harm or gain advantage over another.... the natural laws of cause and effect are always operating.

Please do not assign me to the funny farm.... because I was brought up to believe as well that if I walk in front of a truck I will be harmed, but if I die it does not mean I die in other realities of which I am also a part. I have a questioning mind.... and realise that there is far more to this life than we are lead to believe and seek answers to these riddles. I believe we have a choice; we can either fall back into being that deer in the headlights of a car out of fear, or we can search for the meaning of what the highly strange reports are showing/telling us.

Layla

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by icepick on Jun 18th, 2012, 01:02am

Fear not Layla. I'm from the Appalachian Highlands where we are taught to be very much in touch with this alternate side of ourselves.

Tim
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by skizicks on Jun 19th, 2012, 6:01pm

Layla,
To which Sai Baba do you refer, the original or the self proclaimed re-boot?
The first was a simple Muslim/ Hindu holy man who had no use for posessions or wealth. The second was the Jim Jones of his times and lived to create a very well run and wealthy empire of religious followers.
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by icepick on Jun 19th, 2012, 9:57pm

on Jun 19th, 2012, 6:01pm, skizicks wrote:
Layla,
To which Sai Baba do you refer, the original or the self proclaimed re-boot?
The first was a simple Muslim/ Hindu holy man who had no use for posessions or wealth. The second was the Jim Jones of his times and lived to create a very well run and wealthy empire of religious followers.


Yes, and both were very much cult leaders which can be dangerous. As Jones was only too happy to prove.

Don't get me wrong. I try to not pass judgment on cults. But I do worry about the mindset of the leaders of such. You never know how crooked that road might get. Remember that guy in Oregon during the 1980s?

Tim
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Layla on Jun 20th, 2012, 01:17am

on Jun 19th, 2012, 6:01pm, skizicks wrote:
Layla,
To which Sai Baba do you refer, the original or the self proclaimed re-boot?
The first was a simple Muslim/ Hindu holy man who had no use for posessions or wealth. The second was the Jim Jones of his times and lived to create a very well run and wealthy empire of religious followers.


Hello skizicks

Yes, I was speaking of the controversial Sai Baba who is now deceased. I want to say though that I was merely relaying a story told to me by a friend. I was not a follower of Sai Baba but at one time I knew some that were. I would not like to see this thread degenerate into a debate on the validity of Sai Baba as there are many who have been able to produce apports, even of living animals that were not cult leaders. Of course just like Ufology there are those that seem to get a kick out of producing hoaxes.

Years ago I received a phone call from someone to say during the night they dreamt they were talking to two people and one handed him a black feather.... when he woke in the morning there was a black feather in his bed.

I knew a very nice clairvoyant at one time, that use to levitate while she slept. It was a concern for her husband who would bring her down gently and tuck her in case she woke and was harmed by falling.....

These are some of the things that interest me.... the realness of dreams where a person can get material objects out of dreams or people who do superhuman feats. And there have been many down through the ages, even flying.

I found some on this website:
http://extraordinaryhumans.com/Superhuman/superhuman.html
http://extraordinaryhumans.com/Human_Flight/human_flight.html

It appears to me that we have been socially engineered through the ages into believing that we cannot do these things.... so we believe we can’t. There have been many though that show we can.

Layla

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by hyundisonata on Jun 20th, 2012, 02:37am

You are spot on Layla we do have suppressed abilities, some we use without even knowing we are doing it. Simple example of this is your pet. I have seen me in room thinking about taking the dogs out for a walk and when going to get their leads they are already waiting at the door. Unlike us animals still have this ability so the suppression has to be a deliberate act by whom or for what and I haven’t a clue why. It would be interesting to find what our real capabilities are.
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by icepick on Jun 20th, 2012, 10:27pm

We may find a lot more about this very soon Hyundisonata. Now that science has detected some of these capabilities with recently developed technologies, scientists are bound to be tripping all over each other trying to be the first to release a properly researched paper on the subject.

Their leading hypothesis at the moment is that these powers are a major step in the evolution of the human brain in progress. But I would like to point out that individuals who possessed the knowledge and skills necessary have been known to pull off unbelievable feats as far back as we have written history. And probably further.

Once science steps forward to confirm that these powers do exist in humans, how many more people might start developing the ability to perform these feats. The primary requirement is simply to have no doubts in any way that you can pull these things off. Have you ever wondered what humanity might be like in another thousand years?

Our only step forward in the last three thousand years has been to develop the compassion necessary to cease activities like human sacrifice and similar. But how much different might we behave if we suddenly discover how to read minds for example?

Too bad these things progress so slowly. Even so, my wife and I have always had a knack for being able to look at each other and know what we are both going to say about something. It has a tendency to drive other people nuts trying to figure out what is going on. But when we try to explain, many people seem to think we're nuts, despite what just happened at the time.

I think it may very well be an extremely turbulent time when we first begin to hone these skills as an entire species. People will be forced to adjust to having very little or no privacy, as well as develop an ability to take more in what is now a major emotional offense and let it slide right off so to speak.

Humans are a funny species. No doubt about it.

Tim
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by hyundisonata on Jun 21st, 2012, 01:26am

You must have a really strong relationship fully committed with your wife ICE, a bonding of souls. Now the depressing part lol. I had two aunts die because of such bonding; both did the exact same thing. After about a year of their partner passing on they lay down on the sofa in their living room and just died. No suicide no hanging or drugs just plain stopped living. Their bond was just that strong it carried on past the grave. Met one of them on one of my many NDEs (really bad habit I have developed lol) she was with my old maw and was extremely happy. I see it like this, the real you is the soul and the body is nothing more than a space suit, only problem is that somewhere along the line of evolution the wires from the soul to the body got crossed or deliberately damaged. If the connection could be reinstated then such feats would be available to us again. Maybe in the past we abused such a gift and going by today’s standards that’s highly possible so it was removed as some form of punishment or learning.
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by icepick on Jun 21st, 2012, 4:04pm

33 years and counting Hyundisonata. Strange you should say this. Not one of our friends believe that either of us will outlive the other for long, and I tend to agree with them. I believe the reason is the strength of the relationship though. If somebody represents your primary purpose in life, what are the chances that your will to live would survive losing them? I can only barely remember the time before we were together in a manner of speaking. What I mean is that I transform every girl I was with before I met my wife into my wife. My brain insists on telling me that she was always there. And before I met her, I always had the feeling that there was somebody out there I was looking for. My wife had the same feeling.

Yes, a pretty unique relationship. Astrology claims our union will not work. She's water, I'm fire. I don't see a problem there. All it means is that together we make steam. Right? cool

Tim
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Luvey on Jun 29th, 2012, 02:14am

When I was younger I noticed something when I was searching for meaning of the experiences I was having..... when I talked about spiritual things the top of my head seemed to be open and it felt like my thoughts and words were rising up and heard in other realms..... but when I spoke of things of this earth none of that happened. Years later I read a quote that said...”the things of heaven are heard in heaven, but the things of the earth stay here....”

Has anyone noticed that the people who are able to fly or bi-locate or bring material objects out of the ethers are into the spiritual?

One day when I was at work, I walked out into the long corridor and saw at a distance other staff.... but the staff were all in spirit form, not in physical form.... I thought omg what am I seeing? How did I see them in their spirit form and not their physical form? Is it because we believe so strongly that we are physical that we appear physical?

When I was climbing up Glastonbury Tor in England I found that one moment I was absolutely weightless, and next my feet were like lead. I have thought long about that since and realised that when I feared I would get blown off the Tor I became heavy again..... Now I am wondering if at that time I could have flown if I had tried.

I have never tried to fly, bi-locate, or bring things out of the ethers... but I have completely disappeared from this reality, brought a piece of paper out of dream, and experienced many times objects disappearing and reappearing weeks later and I know I am not the only one who has experienced these things.

So, good question...."What is the difference between reality and dream?"

Luvey
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by icepick on Jun 30th, 2012, 3:29pm

Sometimes I think that question should be worded, is there any difference between reality and a dream?

Tim
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Luvey on Jun 30th, 2012, 10:19pm

on Jun 30th, 2012, 3:29pm, icepick wrote:
Sometimes I think that question should be worded, is there any difference between reality and a dream?

Tim


Actually Tim, it would be better with that heading.... smiley Especially considering when reading the news daily that gets nuttier and nuttier, that life doesn't seem much different than a nightmare ... wink Eg. Face eating zombies etc....

Luvey
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by icepick on Jun 30th, 2012, 10:58pm

I'm just happy that somebody other than myself realizes there are truths out there we are missing Pen. With phenomena ramping up like it is once again, it's no longer so simple to dismiss the folks from around 760 AD as a superstitious lot. Weird things be happening which are only getting stranger. Makes one wonder what's going on, does it not?

Tim
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Luvey on Jul 4th, 2012, 10:43pm

Hi Tim

Apart from monks being able to fly, or bi-locate there is also the ability to become invisible.

Spontaneous Human Involuntary Invisibility

One of these yogic siddhas was human invisibility.

Patanjali, author of the Yoga-sutra, which is one of the earliest treatises among the early Indian writings, attempts to describe the process whereby human invisibility occurred. He says that concentration and meditation can make the body imperceptible to other men, and a direct contact with the light of the eyes no longer existing, the body disappears.

The light engendered in the eye of the observer no longer comes into contact with the body that has become invisible, and the observer sees nothing at all. There is not a lot written about how this occurs; the explanation of the process whereby invisibility was brought into being was most likely left up to the teacher to impart to the student directly.

From the thirteenth century on, numerous texts in Europe refer to similar abilities, performed by sorcerers and magicians who had the power to make themselves invisible, like the shamans (both ancient and modern), and the yoga masters in India.

Other cultures in which shamanism (and the ability to vanish) has played a major role are the Aborigines of Australia, the archaic peoples of North and South America, and the peoples in the polar regions.

Source http://www.crystalinks.com/hsii.html

When people think that aliens are superior to humans, I do not think that is the case at all.... they merely know what they are capable of, and we humans have forgotten.

Luvey

on Jun 30th, 2012, 10:58pm, icepick wrote:
I'm just happy that somebody other than myself realizes there are truths out there we are missing Pen. With phenomena ramping up like it is once again, it's no longer so simple to dismiss the folks from around 760 AD as a superstitious lot. Weird things be happening which are only getting stranger. Makes one wonder what's going on, does it not?

Tim

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by icepick on Jul 5th, 2012, 09:07am

Don't forget suspended animation Pen. British Scientists discovered monks in Tibet who could nearly bring their bodily functions to a complete stop around the turn of the 20th Century.

I don't know whether we forgot our abilities or just haven't mastered a very special gift yet. How long ago were we endowed with our semi Divine gene pool? We don't really know that, do we? The most straightforward references to these powers comes from none other than the Bible. But when Jesus demonstrated this ability to the Apostles, he didn't give them any training, did he? All he did was tell them that they could do the same thing. Does this not make you want to go ............. WHY?

I have read stories about certain writings that the Hebrews had long before the time of Solomon. Indeed, many suspect they carried them from Sumer to Egypt with them. If these writings do exist, and the legends about them are even partially true, then if you could lay your hands on a copy of those manuscripts, I'm willing to bet you could learn to do anything.

Tim
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Luvey on Jul 19th, 2012, 05:24am

Hi Tim

Yes, I have read about the Yogi's that were buried alive for up to a month and dug up again and were alive.

After reading about Kahuna's walking on red hot lava flows... we are all capable of doing all these things... not that I would try fire walking, but I have seen it done while on holiday in Bali years ago.

I was reading about levitation last night and today I came across this while searching for news... Although I have read it before long ago... it was the synchronicity of finding it just after I was reading about it elsewhere that struck me... smiley I just love synchronicity....

Flying In and Out of Windows

http://www.strangehistory.net/2012/07/17/flying-in-and-out-of-windows/



on Jul 5th, 2012, 09:07am, icepick wrote:
Don't forget suspended animation Pen. British Scientists discovered monks in Tibet who could nearly bring their bodily functions to a complete stop around the turn of the 20th Century.

I don't know whether we forgot our abilities or just haven't mastered a very special gift yet. How long ago were we endowed with our semi Divine gene pool? We don't really know that, do we? The most straightforward references to these powers comes from none other than the Bible. But when Jesus demonstrated this ability to the Apostles, he didn't give them any training, did he? All he did was tell them that they could do the same thing. Does this not make you want to go ............. WHY?

I have read stories about certain writings that the Hebrews had long before the time of Solomon. Indeed, many suspect they carried them from Sumer to Egypt with them. If these writings do exist, and the legends about them are even partially true, then if you could lay your hands on a copy of those manuscripts, I'm willing to bet you could learn to do anything.

Tim

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by icepick on Jul 19th, 2012, 5:00pm

Such things had the more remote regions of Tibet on my must visit spots when we still had money Pen. Right at the very top. The Chinese never made it to all of those monasteries. Another place would be Israel. The Hebrews were advanced long before the Egyptians, way back when they still lived in Sumer. I'm sure that more traditional Rabbis still have record of some of their ancient knowledge. Unlike these other groups, the Hebrews seem to have had a handle on the more advanced concepts of this. Do you know much about the Book of Solomon?

Tim
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Mythos on Jul 25th, 2012, 12:05am

I awoke from a dream that seemed real,

Into a reality that was a nightmare...
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Luvey on Jul 25th, 2012, 12:30am

Quantum Dream Portals and Extraterrestrial Realities

Quote:
the Dream Reality seems to end when we wake up, but then the Day Reality ends when we go to sleep.


http://www.ufodigest.com/article/quantum-dream-portals-and-extraterrestrial-realities
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by icepick on Jul 25th, 2012, 01:36am

on Jul 25th, 2012, 12:05am, Mythos wrote:
I awoke from a dream that seemed real,

Into a reality that was a nightmare...


How many times have you been ticked off because you woke up from a dream?
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Luvey on Jul 27th, 2012, 11:24am

The Probability That You Are Dreaming Right Now? 1 in 10.

The fabric and nature of reality has long been the subject of science, philosophy, media propaganda, and even entertainment, in films like Abre los ojos (Open Your Eyes) (remade in 2001 as Vanilla Sky). In Reality: A Very Short Introduction (public library) from Oxford University Press, philosophy professor and metaphysics researcher Jan Westerhoff explores the enormously difficult, yet enormously alluring question of what is really real. Among the book’s most fascinating mind-benders is this passage on the probability — the jarringly high probability, if all the math and hypotheticals check out — that you are dreaming right now:

Read more @ http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2012/07/25/reality-a-very-short-introduction/
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by icepick on Jul 27th, 2012, 1:07pm

Ah, that unification concept again. I guess I'm going to see the world through that filter for a few days Pen.

Tim
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by zzeuss1979 on Feb 11th, 2013, 10:41am

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mind-Bending-Reality-Questioning-Movies/372035546236659


Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by Mythos on Feb 11th, 2013, 3:11pm

on Jul 25th, 2012, 01:36am, icepick wrote:
How many times have you been ticked off because you woke up from a dream?


In all fairness, I have rather boring dreams, nothing to warrant an even interesting discussion...
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by drwu23 on Feb 12th, 2013, 09:45am

What is the difference between reality and a dream?

One is reality and the other a dream.

cheesy
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by backlit on Feb 17th, 2013, 9:15pm

Dream: You are married to the foxy girl on the video. Reality: need I say more.

Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by mawan on Mar 22nd, 2013, 10:53pm

No different, but be best to be of belief there is.
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by purr on Mar 25th, 2013, 06:03am

on Mar 24th, 2013, 7:49pm, Қℓάť wrote:
In my dreams, I never have to translate spoken languages or alien (ET or human) writing or signs.

They just ARE interpreted automatically as if they were heard or seen in my own native or first-language tongue/alphabet.

Am I alone in this or do others here share in this dream phenom?

-Қℓάť


You are not alone, I agree having had the same dream experience, yet until this moment I never thought about it: took this for granted.

There IS often poignant deeply impressive symbolism, in my case involving wild and domestic animals making a dramatic entry on the dream stage. It is effectively (subjective term) dream language because at waking I cannot but ponder or even anguish (this is my younger persona) over its seemingly IMPORTANT however also ELUSIVE meaning.

Some are 'easy' to solve, like when I remember just dreaming about adventures in some large city, and my cats run with me, it is my soul reminding me I love my cats. (We used to have cats and dogs which have since passed on, and I still dream about them too.)


purr

edit: I almost forgot answering to topic question. I believe daily waking life (reality) and dreams are different. In the sense they feel and look like different locations. Also the people and pets that I lost to death in this life I do not see again here on Earth, but I do regularly encounter them in my dreams. Goes to 'location'. Dead persons have gone from our reality to a spirit realm. As dreamers we may visit those places (and meet loved ones again), while in daily life I am unable to access the worlds of the dead.
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by mawan on Apr 6th, 2013, 8:51pm

Dream is reality. Reality is dream. Such to think is why you trust reality of your on. Who is other that can be experience as yours. All see as you, All here as you. No just a general agreement on very basic view that is satisfying to comfort for you. Your reality can not be that of mine and mine can not be of you. Only a seeming agree gives any view as being same. I think good for this frees both from each of the other one. I go where you do not go and you go where I will not be to go.
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by AllieMars on Sep 18th, 2014, 10:05pm

Darn! I was going to recommend a really old book that answered this question in a way that has stayed with me for decades, but it seems that the author has a "new improved" version out and the old one doesn't come up on Amazon. I can't vouch for the new one.

The old one was Psycho-Cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz, and I think it had an orange and white cover. Oh, found it!

http://www.amazon.com/Psycho-Cybernetics-New-More-Living-Life/dp/0671700758

The gist of the interesting part was that they did a study on three groups of people. I think people call it the Basketball Study now.

One group was told to practice basketball free throws for 20 mins a day. The second group was told not to touch a basketball, but to practice MENTALLY for 20 mins a day. The third group was prohibited from thinking about basketball, watching it, or playing it.

All were tested before and after. The results were that the group who practiced mentally improved almost as much as the group that practiced physically. What this proves is that our mind can affect our reality. Every thought we think can affect our physical reality.
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by INT21 on Sep 30th, 2014, 05:41am


....but we decide which is right, and which is an illusion....


I suppose you know that the quote relates to moonlight, not to dreams.

HAL
INT21
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by drwu23 on Sep 30th, 2014, 08:32am

on Sep 30th, 2014, 05:41am, INT21 wrote:
....but we decide which is right, and which is an illusion....


I suppose you know that the quote relates to moonlight, not to dreams.

HAL
INT21




Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by INT21 on Sep 30th, 2014, 1:36pm

Drwu,

I'll have to change machines to watch your link. For some reason I can't watch videos on this laptop.

But from the top of my head I do know that the full quote is..

Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
removes the colour from our sight.
Red is blue and yellow white
but we decide which is right
and which is an illusion.

I think it is from the Moody Blues 'Threshold of a dream'
LP.

No doubt I'll find that is what you have just told me.

HAL
INT21 smiley

Breath deep, the gathering gloom......
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by INT21 on Sep 30th, 2014, 3:01pm

Drwu,

Just watched your clip.

It was the one I expected.

But I got the colours wrong.

They say 'red is grey' I remembered it as red is blue.

HAL
INT21
Re: What is the difference between reality and dre
Post by drwu23 on Sep 30th, 2014, 3:31pm

on Sep 30th, 2014, 3:01pm, INT21 wrote:
Drwu,

Just watched your clip.

It was the one I expected.

But I got the colours wrong.

They say 'red is grey' I remembered it as red is blue.

HAL
INT21


I played the Moody Blues cheesyays of Future Passed on the way to work today....still one of my favorite old classic prog rock bands.