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« Thread started on: Jul 16th, 2007, 5:33pm »


THE DRONE ENIGMA:
A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH


As of this date, none of us have yet stated that Isaac's artifacts, linguistic primers and reports or the previous drones are for real and not a hoax. Due to the great amount of evidence and research, thus discovery, both the Isaac artifacts and the drones still point in each direction. Because of this, we have not ceased looking into all of the many possibilities that are left to discover since the bulk of the evidence we do have is pointing in the direction of reality and a greater possibility that it is not a hoax. Then again, we also do not know yet if this is something alien that has been acquired and re-engineered by our own kind. About the only thing we can say for certain, is that at this point we still do not know one way or the other.

Ever since May 5th, which was when our first drone report came out of Tahoe, we've continued to sway back and forth (percentage wise) on the possibility of a hoax or not. This back and forth motion was due to an increase or decrease of evidence of a positive nature and then an increase or decrease of evidence of a negative nature.

May 5, 2007 – Lake Tahoe area (2-camera phone pix)
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Please understand that when I use percentages below, that they are nothing more then hypothetical guestimations based on the air of the posts on a given day. Even though they are fictional, you’ll get my point.

At first and for some of us, it appeared 60% real and 40% hoax. Over time and after spending many hours conversing over the idiosyncrasies of camera phone photography, the fact that it was a camera phone or not, etc., the next day those percentages possibly increased to 70% real and 30% hoax based on the evidence presented by the multitudes of forum members. On that same day, in walks Chad. Nine days after that, in walks Rajman in Capitola and two weeks later we had two more separate accounts coming out of Big Basin.

Since May 5th to date, we now have a total of seven drone reports, which were accompanied with pictures from six different locations in the U.S. Most all drone accounts were witnessed by more than one individual at the time of the sighting and those with pictures are as follows.

Lake Tahoe - May 5, 2007 - by anonymous husband and wife
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftlaketahoe.html
Bakersfield California – May 6, 2007, by Chad and multiple witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftphotos.html
Capitola - May 15, 2007 - by Rajman and other witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html
Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Ty and other witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment
Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Stephen and other witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html
Unknown location - June 29, 2007 - by Anonymous
http://www.ufocasebook.com/anonymousstrangecraft.html
Birmingham Alabama - May 2006 - John Smith
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1253&category=Environment

During this same timeframe from May 5th to June 29th, another seven reports on other drone activity came in, which were not accompanied by pictures. According to said witnesses, it wasn't until after they saw what was taking place on the Internet in the various UFO websites did they recognize similarities of the same strange craft that they had also previously encountered.

On the very day that we all had the opportunity to listen to two of those accounts in particular, via an Earthfiles Podcast, our 70% real 30% hoax went up the charts to something like 85% real and 15% hoax. The Podcast interviews were both impressive and lengthy and we heard nobody calling foul in regard to lies. In respect to your thoughts of, how can we know these two individuals are telling the truth or telling a lie, listen to the Podcasts. By doing so, you'll recognize that these two witnesses were not given a brief interview, which would have allowed them to lie. Instead, these two interviews with Linda Moulton-Howe were extremely lengthy for both witnesses and were simply given too much room to lie. Based on what you'll hear, no lies were found in their tones and these two individuals are authentic and most certainly telling the truth.

Depending on the individual and considering time on the job, it's made much easier to discover a lie. For many, it's even second nature. The following is a forum member's post regarding one the Podcasts below.

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 6:28pm, figneutron wrote:
I am a psychotherapist with more than 25 years of experience. One of my areas of expertise is diagnosis and treatment of psychopathic personality disorder. To cut to the chase, it's very difficult for a con man or pathological liar to deceive me. I listened to Linda Moulton-Howe's interview with "Ted Connors (alias)" the security technician who saw the strange craft at close range a few days ago near Maxwell AFB outside Montgomery, Alabama. I am convinced that this man is telling the truth, and, therefore, the strange craft is not a hoax. Any problems with the photographs of the ET drone are immaterial.
Any one who wants to hear the truth can do so at www.unknowncountry/podcast. It's a 19.6 mb mp3 download. Let's all move on and get to the bottom of this enigma.


Witnessed: June 25, 2007, Near Maxwell AFB and its Gunter AFB Annex in Montgomery, Alabama
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode19mp3.html
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1279&category=Environment

Witnessed: May 25th, 2005, Sequoia National Forest
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/mp3files/highbandwidth/episode17high.mp3
http://www.ufocasebook.com/lettersstrangecraft.html


As well as the two witnesses above, another five additional witnesses presented their reports regarding their own experience and personal account of their drone sighting. These accounts are pre-Tahoe and pre-Chad with the exception of the Round Hill sighting, which happened more recently on June 19th, 45 days after the original drone sighting in Tahoe.

Round Hill - June 19, 2007 - Dawn Raimond
http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20070706/REGION/107060071
Yosemite National Park - June 10, 2006 - Three witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1265&category=Environment
http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneYosemiteSketches052307x.jpg
Northridge, CA - May 2006 – Northridge California - Robert Mariotti
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode18mp3.html
Sitgreaves National Forest, Arizona - October 1995, Ned White
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1275&category=Environment
Barksdale AFB, Louisiana - 1987 Airshow - Anonymous witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1258&category=Environment
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html

To summarize our real or hoax percentages that we all felt during these times, continued to vary depending on which drone was the topic of the day since from May 5th to date, we now have a total of fourteen drone reports from fourteen different individuals, from thirteen various locations and seven, which accompanied pictures in six different locations all within the United States. Most all drone accounts were witnessed by more than one individual at the time of the sighting and not just the individual reporting the sighting or taking the pictures. By June 29th, we not only had Isaac's account, but we also had seven drones to look at and pick apart and not just one. Those same percentages of, is it a hoax or isn't it a hoax changed continually on a daily basis while accounting for the vast amount of information brought in each day by forum members and researched within the threads.

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« Reply #1 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 5:34pm »

We had various individuals from many fields that assisted us as we went along. As well, forum members many times could relate to certain subjects based on their current or past employment in one field or another. We also lacked in some areas and could have used some from a couple of fields; however those individuals who maybe had input did not make their presence known to the forum. Even some new members knew something, however were afraid to comment for fear of thinking that they're reputation might be at stake. A handful even commented that they were afraid that their name would be associated with a hoax on the Internet someday. Such a statement was made by some of those same individuals after also stating that the drones could be the real thing. Everyone was so worried about their reputations when they really only had to state that they weren't sure. Just the same, we could have used their expertise. You'll even read many accounts from our own members stating that such things produced a fear of sorts thinking that if they were to put the words "it's possible" in any of their posts that their character would be in jeopardy. Accordingly, much of our experience over the past weeks has gotten quite comical because we're making fun at ourselves not realizing that these are some of the very same reasons that those that wish to remain 'anonymous' concerning their own personal drone sighting, continue to remain anonymous.

Here we stand today and we have not yet dismissed Isaac or the drones where others dismissed Isaac and the drones on June 26th, the very same day that Coast to Coast presented Isaac's pictures, linguistic primers and reports. We just started work on such on June 26th, and are still trudging through the mounds, whereas the skeptic camps had called it a hoax on or around the same date of June 26th. Certainly nobody could ever consider Isaac's work a hoax on the very day the information was released. We're still looking at the evidence today and haven't come to any conclusion as of yet ourselves.

As of the morning hours of July 14th and amongst the UFO Casebook forum and the Open Minds Forum, there were a grand total of 676 thread pages and 9,755 posts regarding Isaac and the drones. Both subjects are still the highest traffic areas in these two forums today. A page count of 676 pages is considered a novel.

Amongst those 9,755 posts, we've all picked apart the photos, the drones themselves, we've even taken ourselves back to the early 1980's and discovered the printing and copying capabilities or lack of in order to discern whether or not the linguistics primers and CARET reports were authentic or a hoax.

Over time we discussed the following while everyone pitched in with their own thoughts, ideas and many times personal experiences of their own giving us greater insight as to the possibilities. These are just some of the topics that were covered on the drones and Isaac and only cover 101 pages of the 676 pages available to read. The UFO Casebook had a little over 5400 members on June 25th and that membership has climbed to 5976 as of the date of this writing, an increase of almost 600 members and all due to Isaac and the drones. It is for this reason I update each and every one of you because yes, 676 pages is a lot of reading material.

Both the UFO Casebook Forum and the Open Minds Forum have many eloquent and highly educated posters responsible for bringing forward every bit of evidence they could muster up from what we all had to work with while producing discovery. I don't have to mention their names because they know who they are. But, if there was a winner in all of this thus far as to who presented some of the best and cleanest evidence concerning both sides, that award would go to an Open Minds Forum member. Talk about a seeker, a discoverer, a presenter! He blew us away with his vast knowledge and yet in so many different areas, as he sat on the fence weighing the possibilities no matter the outcome.

Subject matter discussed regarding the drones and Isaac's pictures, linguistic primers and reports is as follows and not in any particular order. This information below was only taken from 101 of the 676 pages available between the UFO Casebook Forum and the Open Minds Forum. To do this on all 676 pages would be too lengthy to mention. All of these subjects were at some point were accompanied by numerous website addresses used for such research.

Photoshop elements, the drone and Lander apparatus image, Lander possible irrigation head, telephone wire appears to vanish in Capitola image and then reappears, Isaac's documentation, Isaac's security protocols and security breach, gravity, antigravity, physics, Isaac risking jail or worse, Jpeg compression, could 1987 scanners render Isaac images, +x yx7+ Googled, leading us to NASA Clementine, CGI and 3D possibilities discussed in great length having to dismiss saladfingers and the like, parallels between crop circles and Isaac's linguistic primers, are Isaac's comments that of a fantasy prone author, the familiarity of Isaac's drone parts with in association to Big Basin and Capitola drones, Isaac hardware was discussed frequently, alien symbolism reported by abductees, the holographic computational substrate, Stanton Friedman's opinion, where was he on this, invisibility cloaking, many including myself have seen something like this before but none of us can remember where (eerie), center of drone resembles magnetron, the lack of information on S1 and the black out text, Isaac's take on his employers, reverse engineering of the drones, antigravity device possibility, the possibility that this could be disinformation spewn from our own government, our conception of what each Isaac artifact was for or it's given function, measurements of all parts, drones and other artifacts in order to compare Isaac's pictures with newer drone accounts (Big Basin Capitola), the possibility of these drones and Isaac being part of a viral marketing campaign such as one from HALO3, bungie or Transformers the movie. Mufon cgi possibility, three dimensional aspect of symbols, other labs in Palo Alto 84-87, i-beam construction, ufo crash possibilities 70-80's, different drone configurations, controlled leak of info, blue "T" on marked documents, cover sheet and punched holes, reseach centers in areas of drone sightings, Lockheed, Ames Research, photo surface imperfections, font comparisons to multiple languages, Xerox (PARC) connection, group hoax, Connection between linguistics and crop circles, linguistic diagram analysis, comparison of linguistics to Jesse Marcel's I-beam, speculation on alien remote control of drones, speculation on de-cloaking technology, manipulation of light spectrum frequencies, linguistic fonts (Isaac) exactly matching recent drones, Capitola photo shadows questioned, drone's reasoning for surveillance, primers intricate and difficult nature, how far advanced is the technology regarding black box, Isaaccaret.com registered, Jack Sahakian (Northrop Grumman guy) letter, Sahakian letter praised as good because of his level of expertise –plausibility of Isaac’s report established, Attorney Todd Schwartz research (is he Issac atty or website investor, Capitola photo break down / critique, Edward Teller of Livermore Labs and letter to President Reagan concerning secret alien technology, link for Livermore’s 80’s timeline, Livermore Labs, Lockheed, Ames Research proximity to Big Basin uner 19-40 miles, discussion on the 1980’s look of the PACL documents, confirmation of Sahakian employment, Teller’s comment in documents on circular airfoil design on a single wing craft/alien technology, skeptical comments on Isaac and security clearance, Isaac’s fake company building/secret lab façade, 1980’s look of the PACL documents, UAV’s RAV’s, early Xerox Xparc computer technology, what if it’s disclosure, forest connection /AFB connection, questions about location of drone sightings, night vision. infrared/ visibility, drone discoloration in center of ring, Xerox Star system used by Caret?, drone timeline, damaged parts on drone artifacts, quantum level shift, symbols on drones, discussion on the many Googled CARET possibilities, Inteliant Corp possible connection, comments from skeptics and debunkers both.

Source & References
UFO Casebook Forum - http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi
UFO Casebook - http://www.ufocasebook.com/
Open Minds Forum - http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?
The Mysterious and Elusive Isaac - http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/
Earthfiles - http://www.earthfiles.com/
Tahoe Daily Tribune - http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20070706/REGION/107060071

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You are currently in thread #3, which is a continuation from
Isaac #2, #1 and the drone threads,
which can be found at the following address
where it all began.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general

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Is the cage “shape” changing between the two photos.

If the cage is pulled down at the bottom (by the center "shaft") and the upper part is fixed... the shape can change from a roundish structure to a more cone like structure... possibly changing the orientation of the structures inside the cage. This could be the cause of things appearing to be changing...

Or it could just be the angle.

And what is the extra stuff dangling at the end of the central shaft on the right photo (there are two “danglies” rather than just one). I am surprised no one has pointed this out before.
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 7:13pm »

Got it, one day I'll learn to read lol.
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 7:14pm »

on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:06pm, leviathan6 wrote:
Nice intro to this thread ATO. I did miss seeing mention of the Birmingham Object. I found some interesting things when examining this photo that appear in the center of the ring. OMF was never interested in these findings, is this forum!


Thank you leviathan6.......

They did some things on Birmingham in OMF but they had so many threads going on the drones you had to dig a bit. There was just so much one could do on Birmingham too. Except for the fact that it's certainly much different then the rest - AND, I didn't pay attention until today but the following witness saw what he said looked just like the Birmingham drone but it was hanging up in an AFB hanger per the following and this was in 1987.

Barksdale AFB, Louisiana - 1987 Airshow - Anonymous witnesses
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2007/jul/m08-006.shtml
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on Jul 16th, 2007, 5:16pm, castles4me wrote:
Check this out on the one Latitude posted earlier as well..... Look on top of the right side where he put the red circle -- look up into the center ring... it almost looks like a Grey alien head peering down out of the center... you don't see it on the other photos. Look JUST above the very top loop of that right hand red circle (I would draw something myself but I don't know how to do that lol)


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« Reply #6 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 7:16pm »

on Jul 16th, 2007, 11:59am, StayFocused wrote:
To me it was pretty obvious that whenever Shermer mentioned "probes" he was talking about the "anal probes" that are often mentioned in alien abductions. Hence the dirty little smurk on Shermer's face whenever he mentioned it.

There is zero relation between Shermer's probes and the drones.


I respectfully and totally disagree.
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 7:16pm »

The thing dangling in the center of the craft, reminds me of an old fashioned plumb-bob, when used in civil engineering and land surveying practices, it was to give a straight vertical line of sight at 0 degrees, or zenith to gravity.

Here is a link to a google image display of different types of plumb bobs.
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Again, based on the way it is hanging, it is speculation on my part, but working with plumb bobs so often in land surveying, perhaps for this machine it is tied into a device to give it a position reference to a plumb line to the centre of the earth.

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« Reply #8 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 7:19pm »

on Jul 16th, 2007, 2:13pm, MarkM wrote:
I know that there's some reluctance to give credence to the "intuitive" thread. I certainly understand that, as mysterious as this is, hard science comes first. But in light of urantia606's recent post I thought interesting to share this post. It certainly makes sense and would explain why the images were suspended in the air. The use of the word "signals" makes sense in this context as well.

Re: SCIENTIFIC "VISION" REVEALS "ISAAC" TECHNOLOGY
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I guess this goes here on the "weird" page. Got up and wrote this down around 4:00 am.

"There is a problem with the way you are looking at the SIGNALS (I was being shown the language symbols suspended in air). A large circular symbol was at the center with a smaller one positioned slightly above to the left and right. Like the points of an inverted triangle). Turn this around - as if you're looking through the BACK. Then will you buy it?" (curious word, I think it's meant to mean "understand" )

The word that was specifically used was signals, not symbols.

Be gentle with me - this is the out of the box thread!
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Don't stop Mark, I'm sure that you have figured something out by looking at it upside down......."no angle shall be left uninvestigated"......me 07/16/07.
Brings to mind the movie "Contact", looking at things "flat" is so 20th Century, 3D mapping is alive in medcine, more platforms are being developed in mechanicals. Why should technology that is thought not to be from here be compared to here. The technology is far superior, more complex, and hundreds of years if not thousands of years ahead of us, wouldn't it require a new set of rules to display it ?
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 7:28pm »

on Jul 16th, 2007, 3:20pm, DrDil wrote:
Hey LangLee, Many Thanks my friend, excellent copy for the size of file, you should have made it a bit more obvious, never mind………………… wink



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« Reply #10 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 7:29pm »

Interesting the statement "Mr. Murillo describes his investigation of the dragonfly-shaped drone photographs and his conclusion the photos are hoaxed." found in these links:

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/cgi-bin/search-email.cgi?index=/ufo/updates/&key=earthfiles

Does anyone has any further information on this angle?



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« Reply #11 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 7:30pm »

Finally you guys are starting to see what I'm seeing! smiley

I thought I was going mad and seeing things.

Great job OTF. Those may not be eyes with a big head. I think that's more the shoulder and the head is behind the support.

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on Jul 16th, 2007, 6:45pm, bakosawa wrote:
Is the cage “shape” changing between the two photos.

If the cage is pulled down at the bottom (by the center "shaft") and the upper part is fixed... the shape can change from a roundish structure to a more cone like structure... possibly changing the orientation of the structures inside the cage. This could be the cause of things appearing to be changing...

Or it could just be the angle.

And what is the extra stuff dangling at the end of the central shaft on the right photo (there are two “danglies” rather than just one). I am surprised no one has pointed this out before.


No. What you are seeing there is the difference in the angle and zoom and I also chopped off the bottom. Sorry. But the alien sure looks like it's there to me.



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on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:33pm, Latitude wrote:
No. What you are seeing there is the difference in the angle and zoom and I also chopped off the bottom. Sorry. But the alien sure looks like it's there to me.


I see a figure that strangely reminds me of a Tie Fighter Pilot action character leaning on the "strut"... (and if my son is missing his... he's in time out...... okay, just kidding). Definitely not tweedy bird. Seriously… does it look like a Tie Fighter Pilot figure?
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on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:41pm, bakosawa wrote:
I see a figure that strangely reminds me of a Tie Fighter Pilot action character leaning on the "strut"... (and if my son is missing his... he's in time out...... okay, just kidding). Definitely not tweedy bird. Seriously… does it look like a Tie Fighter Pilot figure?


Maybe Foo Fighters. lol grin grin
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