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« Thread started on: Oct 6th, 2007, 04:16am »

Please continue with your discussions regards the Drones here.



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« Reply #1 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 04:59am »

OK.. What do we have so far?

[disclaimer: I have zero expertise other than 'common sense', and I'm very comfortable with
that.]

We have some very clear pictures http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2022.html?theme=light
that two people associated with MUFON...

"Mr. Steve Neil who has and continues to do computer generated images for the History channels
television program 'UFO Files'. The other effects person is a Mr. Marc D' Antonio. He owns and
operates a business in Connecticut named FX Models. http://www.fxmodels.com/"

...claim...;

"They both independently state this object is clearly a CG fake."

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=drone&num=1185472608&action=display&start=315

You can see the dates and the images they studied yourselves.

To throw some kindling onto the fire, I have never seen any forumers either at OpenMinds or here
(at UFOCasebook) actively discussing the points these two gentlemen made. If any of you know of
somewhere where I can see some critical disection of their points, I would be grateful.

(ammendment... ok.. since I started this, I've seen some posts where some of you have looked for
these 'anomolies'. Verdict? ... still inconclusive, apparently).

Now... we have many other self-professed CG experts (some of whom have proven their credentials
by offering some fabulous creations) who, after their investigations, have claimed the opposite.
(that the photos are real) It is also known, and I hope accepted among the 'true believers', that
with enough funding, imagination and knowledge, creating these images on computers is entirely
possible, albeit time-consuming and fairly expensive.

Of course, the probability that the drone images were faked remains high. I only say this because
of the 'silliness' factor. Occam's razor. If it looks unreal, it probably is.

It appears 'though, after intense study, that these images are 'good'. By that I mean that so far,
apart from the MUFON people, the general concensus seems to be that these submitted photographs are
of an extremely high standard if they are fake. In other words, they look 'real'. I have looked at
other forums and sources from other countries which contain other contributions from other 'experts'
who claim that if these images are CG, then they're 'the best they've ever seen'. Please don't ask me
for citations. The 'web is a huge place and I'm sure you all have checked UK and other forums, and I
am by no means qualified to endorse or take issue with any of their comments.

Other photos appear (Rajman, Ty, etc.) All photos so far have been processed in some way, such that
any useful 'exif' data has been either purposely removed, or altered during the copying\re-sizing\scanning
processes. This not unusual. That this would happen is plausable. There is no reason to expect
the 'average Joe/Joanne' to think that this data is important. There is also reason to expect that
if a hoax was perpetrated, that the people responsible would be aware that such data could be useful
in assisting in determining authenticity.

It wholly depends on one's sense of what to expect from the technology that we use - and let's face it -
my job is computers, and I cannot possibly keep up with the progress of computer technology. If I tried,
I would not be able to go to work because I'd be reading all day about what's 'new'.... and I'm a computer
techie.

<unavoidable personal opinion follows> One would expect, however, that an 'investigative journalist'
such as Linda Moulton-Howe, would be acutely aware of such details. She is a busy woman, and I will
say no more other than this: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/hall5.html .

My thoughts are that if I saw something like the drones, I would be yelling and screaming and
telling everybody I could about it. I would not be 'scared of public exposure', and I would be so
incredibly, xxxxed curious that nothing would stop me trying to find and talk to others who have
seen a similar phenomenon. But that is NOT what would happen at all. Of course, this is hugely
dependant on the scale of 'what exactly one thinks one has witnessed, and what would my friends/
family think if I told them?'. Frankly, one can always attain more truthful testimony from those
who have little or nothing to lose.

I have had two anomolous sightings. One at night and one in daylight. Both were extremely
high-altitude 'lights-in-the-sky' affairs, and both changed direction - RADICALLY. Now that I
think about it, I haven't even told my wife about either event. What does that say?

Where were we? I was attempting to offer some sort of general overview, but I can see now that
I have started, it's a larger task than I thought, and one, unfortunately, that I do not have the
time to complete, so I'll just post what I have so far purely because otherwise I would have written
it for no reason.. smiley (oh, and the ingestion of bourbon prevents me from being as accurate as I
would have liked.. )

'Isaac' communicates with Coast to Coast and creates a website on Fortunecity:
http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/ and we 'dronies' go nuts. Don't get me wrong.. I remember the
adrenalin I felt when I first saw it, too. Think about that. Think about the mind(s) that may have
created this (probable - again, personal opinion creeps in) huge hoax, and how clever they would have
to be to have the foresight to know that they would elicit those feelings in us, purely by placing that
'information' on a website - or not. Perhaps a sociological experiment on a largish scale is happening
here - perhaps not so large, and instituted by one clever person writing a thesis for a degree....

This is not a great leap, especially when you consider how basically trusting we humans tend to be -
We generally absorb what we are told by others as being genuine. It is our nature. It is also dependent
on our prior conceptions of the source. If no prior experience of the source exists, then we have no
option other than to award the source with a reasonable degree of believeability. Also, think of
the purpose and implications of 'Isaac' being genuine.

Perhaps I should expand on the above first... The situations of 'trust' vary greatly. For example, if
a panic-stricken person ran up to me in the street yelling "my house is on fire.. please help..!" I
would tend to award it a much higher believeability factor than if someone ran up to me in the street and
yelled, "my one-legged pet baboon has just been sucked into a time vortex behind your car!! Help me!!"

As for 'Isaac' being genuine, I'm still of two minds. The first says 'Wow! - This dude or dudette knows
his/her stuff and is either a sociopath or (as above), running some sort of intellectual experiment.
The second says 'he's/she's genuinely nearing the end of his/her life and knows no other way of publicising
their account of how they've spent that life. I sicerely doubt the latter. If reams of paperwork/scans
etc., cannot be forwarded, with evidential backup, to some authoritative body, but rather merely posted onto
a website, then credibilty factors have to be realistically reduced.

I'll still opt for the first, I'm afraid. Maybe, like John Titor, the perpetrator(s) get their jollies
from complete anonymity. </ rant>














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« Reply #2 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 05:10am »

Music decoded from the primer! cool

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This is from the member 45letters on OM forum:

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Ok i finished up my first shot at it...

these are all off of the rotary junction (i think this is what its named) on p121 of the caret docs.

looking at the key i figured it goes counterclockwise from the outside in.

the notes are primary 1/16 for the small ones, and increase with width up to 1/4 notes. the note itself is the length of the bar. i started at the second smallest note at #C7.

also i noticed if the tempo is sped up it works better as a waveform. so if you notice a change in the beat pattern to 1/32 this is why. i addition to this, because there are 3 rings of this bizarre illegible sheet music, i thought perhaps each ring was a separate channel, so i overlayed it about where it should be. but then i realized, given the radius is different, the tempo and pitch might change with each radii. i will play with more down the road.

http://www.4shared.com/file/25773061/dd2a7ef9/fxRiot_introvertsia_25a_-_linguistia_solo.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/25773058/8fdb959e/fxRiot_introvertsia_25b_-_linguistia_dub_fxriot_rmx.html

the first one is a clean copy derived only from the primer..
the second one i remixed with a little beat to make it more enjoyable for us humans to listen to.

enjoy!



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« Reply #3 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 07:50am »

on Oct 6th, 2007, 04:59am, wreckage wrote:
OK.. What do we have so far?

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Well, give or take a baboon - you speak my mind!
Great summary, exactly where I stand with this case.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 10:06am »

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Now a lesson in manners from the great Lev.
Clever game you and your Salad friend play.
In the end you'll be the first to go.
Only a short time and relief will be mine
The drones are fake and so are you



Nope. Surfer dude. Please stay on topic. The Drones are as real as you. You are right about the short time.
Who is this Leviathan? Is it Biblical?
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 10:15am »

Be very careful: A NON-SALAD APPROVED GRAPHIC FOLLOWS

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Now this is a fake. Do we understand this? This is a real FAKE. OK!!!
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 10:18am »

My mistake...please forgive me.

I apologize to you and all the members here for that post of mine.

My actions are inexcusable.

I am not qualified to comment further

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« Reply #7 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 10:25am »

Who is Andy Murray? Is it Biblical?

NON-SALAD APPROVE GRAFIC FOLLOWS:
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Lets all say it togeather: "THE SHADOWS ARE WRONG"

Now this is a Fake. OK!!!
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 10:34am »

Ok enough, i have just killed interwhatever please keep on topic and please respect other members.


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« Reply #9 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 11:06am »

on Oct 6th, 2007, 10:34am, Merlin wrote:
Ok enough, i have just killed interwhatever please keep on topic and please respect other members.


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I for one, welcomed our interocitor overlord.

His representation of ideas is so far out there that you can only be forced to think differently or refuse altogether.

Maybe he could have been given or started a thread to submit his artwork and ideas, instead, with only one thread here the tone is forced into homogeneity.

As part of the Drone enigma and our global search for the truth, we shouldn't narrow playing field to specific lines of thought.

Kris has elevated himself to the top in this game, it is only expected that there will be detractors just as there is with any high ranking official. Maybe this isn't the place for such open expression.

PS. MarkM come back.
PPS. Interocitor come back
PPPS. Vonstern come back
PPPS. ufocatcher come back
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 11:24am »

on Oct 6th, 2007, 11:06am, onthefence55 wrote:
I for one, welcomed our interocitor overlord.

His representation of ideas is so far out there that you can only be forced to think differently or refuse altogether.

Maybe he could have been given or started a thread to submit his artwork and ideas, instead, with only one thread here the tone is forced into homogeneity.

As part of the Drone enigma and our global search for the truth, we shouldn't narrow playing field to specific lines of thought.

Kris has elevated himself to the top in this game, it is only expected that there will be detractors just as there is with any high ranking official. Maybe this isn't the place for such open expression.

PS. MarkM come back.
PPS. Interocitor come back
PPPS. Vonstern come back
PPPS. ufocatcher come back


Interocitor wasn't banned for his beliefs he was banned for breaking the rules which he/she agreed to when first registered. He/She was continally disrespectful to people who had different ideas you only have to read the 2 posts above to see that. This is the end of this discussion please return to the drones topic.


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« Reply #11 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 11:35am »

on Oct 6th, 2007, 11:06am, onthefence55 wrote:
I for one, welcomed our interocitor overlord.

His representation of ideas is so far out there that you can only be forced to think differently or refuse altogether.

Maybe he could have been given or started a thread to submit his artwork and ideas, instead, with only one thread here the tone is forced into homogeneity.

As part of the Drone enigma and our global search for the truth, we shouldn't narrow playing field to specific lines of thought.

Kris has elevated himself to the top in this game, it is only expected that there will be detractors just as there is with any high ranking official. Maybe this isn't the place for such open expression.

PS. MarkM come back.
PPS. Interocitor come back
PPPS. Vonstern come back
PPPS. ufocatcher come back


I agree. If Salad can make cgi drones why can't Lev? I only wish Lev would take the high road and label his creations properly like we have asked Salad to do. I see nothing wrong with creating cgi drones as long as they are not used to perpetuate a hoax or further an agenda.
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 11:46am »

on Oct 6th, 2007, 04:16am, Merlin wrote:
Please continue with your discussions regards the Drones here.

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Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA
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Due to the size of this thread I have now created a new thread to continue this very interesting topic.

A link from the last post on #5 thread to the first post of this thread (#6) would be nice, thanks old fruit. wink

(Not for me but so other newer members don't get lost!!)

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« Reply #13 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 11:53am »

As soon as anyone clicks into the drone area of the forum, they might get overwhelmed but not so lost. It is all pretty well labeled.
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 11:55am »

Elephant wrote:
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Here's Dr Jon Sherwood's analysis of the drone fin and the meaning of one aspect of the glyphs
http://www.cropcirclexplorer.com/html/design_programming.html


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This is a fin of a ceramic dynamic scan probe used as a genetic imprinter for research it is primarily used to scan life forms genetic structure and surveillance of subjects. It uses a modulated shape geo program using dynamic energy compiled by a process of atomic geometric shape algorithms. The program is made of of multiple modules so it has continuous energy supply unless the main conversion system is halted then the whole thing falls apart. Each section is part of the unit and the program that makes it up. How do I know all this? Let’s just say I have friends in High Places


I apologize for missing it but there was some discussion about this website. I think it would be good to investigate this further. Elephant, first, I'm not absolutely sure the crop circle indicated is the same symbol on the Chad/Raj drones. It looks close. Can you get Dr Sherwood to come here to discuss this? I'd be curious to hear what else he has heard from his "friends in high places".
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