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« Reply #915 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 1:59pm »

on Jan 6th, 2009, 12:00pm, Latitude wrote:
You must be delusional if you think I'm going to cooperate with hostile people.



No hostility....just many questions that need answers in order to get to the truth. So lets take this one simple yes or no question at a time.....ok?

Question 1. Did you or did you not tell me your father was killed under mysterious circumstances at Area 51?

Question 2. Is that true?

Question 3. Depends on the answers to questions 1 and 2.


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« Reply #916 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 2:05pm »

There have only been two occasions when I have known him to clam up. The first was when he was caught lying about the Chad site, and the second is when he disappeared after Marvin posted the animation comparing the two versions of photo 16 here recently. It was pretty awesome watching him *not* launch into some nonsensical tirade about optical illusions or alternate universe physics when confronted with an analysis of a drone photo.

Yep, smells like ownership to me.
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« Reply #917 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 2:10pm »

He got disconnected I think ..from what I have no idea..
Its not our intention to crucify him..Though I am sure it must feel that way. I am not even angry about the pix.
Anyway, this is as about as much fun as bowling with skinheads
He likes ELO, I wonder if he knows the Crackers Band..
I have to go for a bit now.
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« Reply #918 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 2:16pm »

Not to change the subject, but I think there is a new developement. Read it here.

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« Reply #919 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 2:28pm »

I was waiting for him..finally.
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« Reply #920 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 2:31pm »

Just as we all suspected, i.e. that he gave up the Stephen AND Chad locations.

Apart from that…..

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« Reply #921 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 2:38pm »

Finally, real progress! Questions answered in a matter-of-fact way.

I've never had any problem with the idea of Mars Ave recognizing that "Big Basin" location. Sounds like something my father would do. I don't understand what the big secret was with the Chad location. I guess some people saw it as a way to make things seem more mysterious.

Nothin' new about LMH. We have known for a long time that she had real, important information that she sat on.
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« Reply #922 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 2:39pm »

on Jan 6th, 2009, 2:31pm, DrDil wrote:
Just as we all suspected, i.e. that he gave up the Stephen AND Chad locations.

Apart from that…..

Cheers.


Yes, I suspected it as well. Why did the DRT think it was neccesary to keep the tipster to the Chad site a secret? Is it because of the way it would appear to the hoax crowd? That, suspiciously, the same individual found two drone sighting locations almost 15 miles apart? It is odd, but hardly reason to conceal this amazing fact.

I wonder what else they conceal for the benefit of prolonging a hoax? Even MarsAve himself believes the sightings to be 1000% hoax. Maybe they realized that and wanted his opinion out of the mix. Who really knows?

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« Reply #923 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 2:43pm »

on Jan 6th, 2009, 2:39pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Yes, I suspected it as well. Why did the DRT think it was neccesary to keep the tipster to the Chad site a secret? Is it because of the way it would appear to the hoax crowd? That, suspiciously, the same individual found two drone sighting locations almost 15 miles apart? It is odd, but hardly reason to conceal this amazing fact.

I wonder what else they conceal for the benefit of prolonging a hoax? Even MarsAve himself believes the sightings to be 1000% hoax. Maybe they realized that and wanted his opinion out of the mix. Who really knows?



After thinking about if for a few minutes, it seems like our "usual suspects" tried to spin it to look like they found the Chad location through their superior sleuthing skills.
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« Reply #924 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 2:51pm »

Actually, no, that is not it. I requested info as to how the Chad location was found shortly after it was discovered. The DRT refused to supply an answer even though they earlier shared how the BB sighting location was found. They would not say anything other than a "tipster" supplied the info. They were hiding the fact that MarsAve found them both. Why is the million dollar question.

EDIT TO ADD: After reviewing the history, the DRT did not even want to reveal the location, much less how it was found.
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« Reply #925 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 2:57pm »

I am happy he came..and yes he did supply the leads for both..he was gracious in saying they did the legwork..and He chewed My Arse off..but it was worth it..or we might never know..or questions got buried like others. here is his post.Next time I won't do that like that. I had emailed him several times..so did others.....I wanted him as a friend..not mad at me and us..
But he came through and with a free expert opinion!
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Hello to all.

I am going to post a statement here....and I did not crack the case.

after reading several websites for the last 2 weeks, gathering information, and seeing the guessing game going on, I've decided to offer a bit on this Forum only. I may or may not answer your questions...the reason being is very simple. I just plain do not have the time to sit and read and answer....very sorry I cannot partake, but since I offered photographic information on the Drone near Saratogas and Santa Cruz Summit earlier in the year and part of 2007 - I thought it would be fair to shed a bit of light on the subject, and correct a few misnomers.

Believe me when I tell you I am not a TYPIST..........!!

This posting here will take me considerable time to type- then go back and correct the errors. One of many reasons why I don't do this anyways....I just plain can't type. I use 2 finger hunt and peck method,,,,,

Ok. Ist off, I apologize for not responding to "whoever' was e-mailing me off-line months ago to go on-line and talk about the photos. Very sorry. I think I answered one e-mail...sorry. Both my Parents died in 2008 - my Mom in January - and my father in Seattle April 2008. Niether left a Will and the Probate work is horrendous....still on-going. So for all of the "Arm-chair Detectives" out there...that is a 'reason' someone may go silent...................yes, I actually have a Life,,,no slight to anybody reading this. I don't have the time. PERIOD!

As far as the 2 Private Investigators under TKDavis Investigations, they are very thorough, very nice Men - and I stand behind them and their credibilty 110% in their work. BFD on the T-Shirts. ...in fact, I may buy one as I need some new clothes to wear... - They have all of my info and contact numbers - I requested anonymity - which I may or may not explain here....but it isn't anything sinster. I just wanted my privacy for a few reasons.....but I have felt compelled to set some items straight.

There are a hundred items I've read about in regard to what I was involved in, but the one thing that made me go 'Silent' was the discovery and posting of my real name. That p*ssed me off big time...even though I have nothing to hide.....several posters here and other sites- such as MUR and 11Aug and others, stated it correctly....imagine yourself suddenly being thrown into the limelight. Posting my name seriously jeopordized part of this Investigation. Major reason I went Silent. Whoever thought they needed to do that - needs to go back to 'Armchair Detective School on Etiquette.." Sure, I have several monikers I have used and was 'found out' by some surfer, but the subject matter on those websites are mundane. I was that easy to find.....my postings on www.black-triangles.com and othersites are normal stuff. I read certain websites - but usually don't partake for reasons stated above. But the 'finding-out' angle like I was the Hoaxer was laughable....Geez, I gave all of my info to the 1st E-mail & photos of the Saratoga,CA - Big Basin Hwy area to LMH - and she never answered....so it was like, 'why should I care...?? People want to remain private for many reason, but in my case, I had an outlet to give information, but I am only a small part of the story - and I never wanted recognition - hopefully people reading this will let it lay. I won't be doing any interviews nor seek any fame. My finding of the photo locations isn't all that mysterious - other than I have a fairly good recollection of places I've been too...was why I remembered. The Hoax angle made me write LMH at 1st - only to set the story straight - I never thought in 2 years it would be such an issue. My earlier postings back up my statements.

' I feel 1000% the Drone photos are Fake - and looks to me, from my photographic experience, to be (old school..I'm over 50yrs old..) 'Superimposed' photos. The lighting isn't right.......I've been an Aviation photographer for 40+years, I have amassed a jet collection of over 150,000 photos and 25years of airliner & Railroad videotaping "as a hobby only"... and the photos look 'superimposed' to me....nowdays called CGI fakes..? Photoshopped? Flat out they look Fake just from the photographer's point of view - without any computer knowledge at all. One of my other downfalls, I don't know jack about computers, other than e-mailing and attaching pictures, and re-sizing photos in my crummy PS2.0 that came with the camera when I bought it, that's about all I know on computers. But the photos just don't look right to me. The long-winded EXIF report and 'same camera' angle was because a Canon Digital rebel is a common camera. I bought mine used from a fellow aviation photograher. I pretty much stood in the same place the Stephen photos were taken because there isn't much room on that hairpin turn, road shoulder,,,a very dangerous curve on a Mtn road...

So I know I've opened up 1000 questions, but all I can say is I had nothing to do with the apparent Hoax - in my words - the photo locations 1) Big Basin - I 1st alerted LMH with no answer....2) the Santa Cruz Summitt photos, I was not sure of the location, I thought it would be closer to an area called Mt Bielawski (sp) south of Castle Rock State Park on Hwy 35 in the Santa Cruz Mtns....I actually drove up there and looked but not until after I contacted TKDavis Investigations. I could not find the location......but, I did notify the Private Investigators( and I am not saying who for now..) and I did tell them the Chad photos ( supposed to be Bakersfield,CA area) those photos looked like the view point behind the old Summitt Inn & Restaurant on Hwy 17 at the Santa Cruz Summit(now a different name & owner?)....looking towards the Ocean. Truth...when those photo locations were publicized, It was from the PI's as they are the one's who checked my Lead, and found the location........again, I didn't have time to go look...but they found it - no problem...matched the tree line,etc...and the rest is History. They are the one's who found it. Those photos, from my photographic experience, are 'superimposed' phony pictures-also. I've always felt if the photographer was 'right on' they would find a way to be contacted and interviewed. I did,,,but look what happened.....so the discovery of the Chad location on Hwy 17 Summitt in Los Gatos wasn't sinister - I told the PI's to keep me out of it...because I really didn't care. Sure, it would be neat to get to the bottom of it......but my guess is the people starting this Drone Sighting item......are laughing big-time...!!!I thought the CARET documents looked good at 1st,,,,but then again, anybody can write a Novel.....


Just my thoughts..

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« Reply #926 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 3:20pm »

on Jan 6th, 2009, 2:51pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Actually, no, that is not it. I requested info as to how the Chad location was found shortly after it was discovered. The DRT refused to supply an answer even though they earlier shared how the BB sighting location was found. They would not say anything other than a "tipster" supplied the info. They were hiding the fact that MarsAve found them both. Why is the million dollar question.

EDIT TO ADD: After reviewing the history, the DRT did not even want to reveal the location, much less how it was found.

Lat told us how but not who:

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I believe that as the Drones initially appeared at least superficially viable the resulting frustration of those trying to establish this as fact has in my opinion led to certain aspects of the evidence/reports being distorted to accommodate this (momentary lapse of) reality or at least negate ALL other hoax hypotheses.

But hey, it’s nothing we didn’t already know….

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« Reply #927 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 3:39pm »

Here is an old question that was danced around with tap shoes lol.

Notice the last post in the image....Numbers begins the "victim" role as he so often does!

EDIT TO ADD: Hi Doc! You beat me to it lol!
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« Reply #928 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 3:54pm »

on Jan 6th, 2009, 3:39pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Here is an old question that was danced around with tap shoes lol.

Notice the last post in the image....Numbers begins the "victim" role as he so often does!

EDIT TO ADD: Hi Doc! You beat me to it lol!


Odd how when the heats on the victim disappears!!
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« Reply #929 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 4:12pm »

Funny.Mitchell of watergate when hearing that police were on way left the burglars and his partners say..what do we do now.?

When the going gets tough..the tough get going...

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if you read between the lines in his post he was very careful to patronize even Linda..contacted her..but..no follwup up..and PIs did 110 percent but actually Mars did the first 100 percent of that..both Leads.
And by they way I was never informed of his parents passing..I would have handled a lot different..well you know as we kept each other updated..
Lord knows..Admin and Surfer were sick of me asking..
wheres T wheres T?
Despite Typos, he writes really well..has a nice flow to it.

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On Tomis clues.. actor, writer, and singer..musician..just came to mind..jack of all trades..he would describe himself as. Possibly a gambler too..as Isaac was a gambling man..so were those stooges arlington, Jim, hmm
Numbers must gamble to..uses the term snake eyes..crapped out..thats rather queer. I never wager except with myself..anyway..I digress..
Thats why I asked Numbers if he knew the group Crackers....as That ELO brung it to mind..They do tours all over..and are in Santa Cruz..also have a studio in Richmond, Va..(lord..thats where WOY is, and the Deborah witness Mufon interviewed) I think that person had done something with Josh Frieman a while back ago. does the storybook for quite a few hit movies.....Double was telling me..something like that..well you know me..jumping here jumping there, buffer overflow..so to speak..
I might have misunderstood..
Maybe he can catch me up on that angle.
Well someone Suggested Rest..and Rest I shall..
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