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xx #8 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Truth
« Thread started on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 12:37pm »

This is a continuation of the 2007 California Drone discussion.


Previous Drone thread (#7) is located here.


The Original Drone Sightings are as follows:

1) The *Chad* Drone, originally posted at the Coast2Coast Website.
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftphotos.html

2) The *Lake Tahoe* Drone - Mufon <submitter> 7013
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftdrone.html

3) The *Rajman1977* Drone, originally posted at Flickr.
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html

4) The *Jenna L/Stephen* Drone, originally posted at UFOCasebook.
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

5) The *Ty* Drone, originally posted at Earthfiles:
URL: http://tinyurl.com/4cpcgk


The *Isaac* documentation, originally posted at Fortunecity.com.:
URL: http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/


Other public forums that have been discussing the Drone phenomena have become divided and ultimately derailed by constant bickering and cross-forum politics. Please refrain from posting inflammatory or derogatory statements regarding other websites and their members (regardless of perceived provocation) and please keep on topic with your discussions.


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« Reply #1 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 12:56pm »

Hi Dr.Dil, following up your last comments, that Ummi pie is irresistable. They used Christian events, like a cosmic story of Jesus for one othe galactic characters, to make it palatable. The Daughters of Ummi in Bolivia, serve it in their temple all the time. smiley

I think the problem is also that one side thinks there are only sheep and sheep herders, whereas we factor in the wolves into the equation, for a more practical and realistic scenario.

I ran into the same wiki article the references which tagged the church of the subgenious, those Discordiant rascals, with that Rev.Bob Stang fellow.
It only costs $30 dollars to join, and you are ordained, and is the only church that guarantees if you are not happy after you die, a triple your money back in the form of a check from Bob Dobbs , the original head, himself.
noteworthy is that David Byrnes, of the talking heads music genre is a member. He had done a ufo stunt, that Dave Lowery of Crackers, who is a friend, constantly mentions on stage.
But what is funnier was this..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius

Such high-profile names as Paul Reubens ("Pee-wee Herman", who placed a picture of "Bob" in every episode of Pee-wee's Playhouse), Magic Mose & his Royal Rockers, featuring 'Blind Sam' (who actually gave a free advertisement to the Church on the back of one of their EP's), David Byrne, Mark Mothersbaugh, Penn Jillette, Robert Anton Wilson, science fiction authors Rudy Rucker and John Shirley, and actor Bruce Campbell have become SubGenius ministers.[citation needed] Composer Frank Zappa says in his autobiography The Real Frank Zappa Book that he agrees with many of the beliefs of the church but refrained from joining as a full member. Comic book author Warren Ellis has stated the influence of the Church on his writings, though as of 2007 he has not yet admitted if he actually sent the $30 membership fee. Patrick Volkerding, the founder and maintainer of Slackware Linux, is also a SubGenius affiliate, and he has confirmed the Church and "Bob" inspired the name for Slackware.[3]

It is claimed waggishly in church doctrine that Dobbs inspired L. Ron Hubbard to create his own cult when he remarked to him that the general public may be pink, "but their money is green"[4] Ivan Stang also claims that in 1986, an official SubGenius ordainment for Hubbard was paid for and mailed to his address—only two weeks before the Scientology founder's death.[5

http://www.answers.com/topic/onxrt-live-from-the-archive-vol-5

Triple your money back! Sounds like someone was hedging his bets cheesy
SG has over 2000 members. If most churches rely on 20 percent active members, than we can look to some really clever acts of martyrdom in the future, not to mention all the other groups out there.
Just to you Dr.
Dr. I know you are an excellent Logician, and I came across a post at OM directed to Jedd, That said
the ramifications of something being possibly being real, out weighs the collective evidence indicating hoax . Besides sounding outlandishly bizarre, is
isn't that a non-sequitor? The kind used in circular Ummi reasoning?. or in Philosophy, Keirkegards Grand Leap of Faith, or Camus Absurdist existentialist perspectives. It didn't make a darn bit of sense to me.

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« Reply #2 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 6:15pm »

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7) I can't even guess why it was hanging around Capitola, or what it was after. However, my fiance's parents mentioned that in the 60's or 70's, a bunch of birds went crazy in Capitola and were attacking people and flying into walls. They say that's where Alfred Hitchxxxx got his idea for "The Birds". Of course I don't think it's related, but it proves that weird things happen in the area every now and then.


Here is a link to the post: http://www.lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=2018&page=83#65882

If Raj was just protecting his anonymity, then Raj, his fiance and her parents are not actually in Capitola. They are in some other city, correct? Then his words above are a complete fabrication. If the pole and the house and the parents are not in Capitola, then the statement above is called "dressing up the story". It is designed to make Raj sound convincing and believable and sincere. But he is lying though his teeth. Not just adopting a different location but adding in a conversation that doesn't even apply now that we know the pole is NOT in Capitola.

Whatever city he is actually in, it is not Capitola, therefore the quote above is an attempt to make the story more believable. I surely can't be the only one to see that. shocked

The whole testimony becomes ridiculous. grin
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 7:24pm »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 6:15pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Here is a link to the post: http://www.lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=2018&page=83#65882

If Raj was just protecting his anonymity, then Raj, his fiance and her parents are not actually in Capitola. They are in some other city, correct? Then his words above are a complete fabrication. If the pole and the house and the parents are not in Capitola, then the statement above is called "dressing up the story". It is designed to make Raj sound convincing and believable and sincere. But he is lying though his teeth. Not just adopting a different location but adding in a conversation that doesn't even apply now that we know the pole is NOT in Capitola.

Whatever city he is actually in, it is not Capitola, therefore the quote above is an attempt to make the story more believable. I surely can't be the only one to see that. shocked

The whole testimony becomes ridiculous. grin




But do not forget. There is a repeated pattern here.

If Chad had been less than honest about his location… then he is hiding his identity. Or was it that he has two houses? I get confused with answer of the week club. But come to think of it, any house owned by Chad has not been found.

Now take Raj, the photos were taken at his relative’s house… but it is not at a relative’s house. So is Raj being dishonest to protect his identity? Is Raj hiding his identity by “Photoshopping” a CGI drone into his photos? Oh, again… no house for Raj either.

Hmm. For every location that has been found (which includes Stephen’s)… the location is not where it was reported to be. Maybe I am the only one seen the same pattern being used by what are reported to be separate (and logically, different thinking) individuals. What are the odds that all of these folks are using the same type of lie… unless it is an organized hoax, now there is a reason for deception, to throw investigators off the trail, hiding one's identity and a common repeated "mode of operation?" Doesn’t Occam’s razor come into play at some point? I guess not.

What are the parameters for a truth or a lie?

If the truth does not fit, do we create a new truth? If it turns out to be a lie, do we change it so that it might fill in the blanks and make things right again?

I wish I had that crystal ball or Ouija board that others seem to have to make me see the "truth."
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 7:51pm »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 7:24pm, Marvin wrote:
But do not forget. There is a repeated pattern here.

If Chad had been less than honest about his location… then he is hiding his identity. Or was it that he has two houses? I get confused with answer of the week club. But come to think of it, any house owned by Chad has not been found.

Now take Raj, the photos were taken at his relative’s house… but it is not at a relative’s house. So is Raj being dishonest to protect his identity? Is Raj hiding his identity by “Photoshopping” a CGI drone into his photos? Oh, again… no house for Raj either.

Hmm. For every location that has been found (which includes Stephen’s)… the location is not where it was reported to be. Maybe I am the only one seen the same pattern being used by what are reported to be separate (and logically, different thinking) individuals. What are the odds that all of these folks are using the same type of lie… unless it is an organized hoax, now there is a reason for deception, to throw investigators off the trail, hiding one's identity and a common repeated "mode of operation?" Doesn’t Occam’s razor come into play at some point? I guess not.

What are the parameters for a truth or a lie?

If the truth does not fit, do we create a new truth? If it turns out to be a lie, do we change it so that it might fill in the blanks and make things right again?

I wish I had that crystal ball or Ouija board that others seem to have to make me see the "truth."


Lets be honest here. NONE of the stories hold water! It was obvious from Chads first letter where he claimed to be worried about the unborn childs safety. No about to be parent that is worried about the safety of his pregnant wife and unborn child is going to let a menacing aircraft hovering around his neighborhood go unreported to the authorities!

Thats how i felt when i first saw his stupid letter and it is still the reason i know and have known the entire drone saga is a HOAX! Had everyone seen that glaring hole in the story this would never have gotten to the ridiculous cult status it has reached today! I remember those that wanted to believe making excuses for Chad then just as they have done for all the "witnesses" to this day.


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« Reply #5 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 8:12pm »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 7:51pm, TheShadow wrote:
I remember those that wanted to believe making excuses for Chad then just as they have done for all the "witnesses" to this day.




You are absolutely correct when you say some things .. and funny the rest of the time wink

But you are right, sometimes our reasoning wants to give the benefit of the doubt to people and circumstances as well as unknown factors.

And then at other times, I see we all look at something past the obvious as if the answers are deeper, which really are red herrings. (I've been a red herring or two.. so I know..)

But what is the truth? Judging when it's the surface to believe or a lower layer or two.. that is the question.. tongue
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 8:57pm »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 8:12pm, tomi01uk wrote:
You are absolutely correct when you say some things .. and funny the rest of the time wink

But you are right, sometimes our reasoning wants to give the benefit of the doubt to people and circumstances as well as unknown factors.

And then at other times, I see we all look at something past the obvious as if the answers are deeper, which really are red herrings. (I've been a red herring or two.. so I know..)

But what is the truth? Judging when it's the surface to believe or a lower layer or two.. that is the question.. tongue




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« Reply #7 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 9:06pm »

Torvald was correct and spot on too when he said you don't know what you are talking about, Tomi. That is psychobabble blathering. At this stage in your life if you don't know how to exercise a modicum of common sense, you are totally lost. Its evident you are, and you must njoy getting pistolwhipped with the truth. Your PIs are stumped, can't tell what neighborhood they found the pole. two rookie boys had to draw a picture for them. Even Nemo has gone quiet at OM. Linda took a "Hiatus", and spared us more crap. Whitley, recanted.
The liars have run out of ways to lie, because if they tell the truth now, it will expose what total losers they, and you particularly, waiving pom poms, instead of adding to discovery, truly are as well.. Thats the Deeper truth here. You need look no farther than your nose Tomi. Its not hard.
It must be some deep seated loneliness to comfort yourself with fabrications. That leads to madness you know but not a case for the drones.
Girl, between you and me, I suggest you take your own advice and get your big sister to come in here fight like a Florida gator on this one Tomi, we need a change of scenery, and not the same "beyond the veil is truth" jargon, plus she might make a whole lot more sense than you are making right now,
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 9:24pm »

Well Denise, I've stepped in deeper puddles than you in Florida.. But you just might end up covered with mud going there.. wink
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on Jan 23rd, 2009, 9:24pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Well Denise, I've stepped in deeper puddles than you in Florida.. But you just might end up covered with mud going there.. wink


That's right, you all are going to have the last laugh when the DRT proves the drones are real, the witnesses actually exist, Isaac has more of an existence than Joe Isuzu, there is some other physics involved so the shadows are not important, all those CGI professionals are out to lunch, that lawyer with the isaaccaret.com site just does it as a hobby, the pre-drone photo in Lat's possession is an optical illusion, Isaac's "science" is somehow not silly, Strieber really was not dreaming, LMH uses established journalism standards, there is a good reason every image associated with the drones has been in Photoshop, and on and on. It's a good thing you keep reminding us that it's you who will have the last laugh, because for some reason, it's easy for everyone else to forget.

Let's review for the umpteenth time: So far the DRT has proven what? Hmmm. Let's see... Oh, here is something! The DRT has proven that of the photos for which the real location is known, none were taken where the Amazing Vanishing "Witnesses" said they were. Well, you have a ways to go, it looks like. Why are you wasting time in here? Better get cracking. Good luck!
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 10:20pm »

some reference was made to covert craft, that the witnesses may have been trying to pass info on thru the clever device of lying, hitchcok metaphors and similes, etc.
The hitchcok thing is pretty well known, and may have been caused by pollution which was the basis for a later movie callled Prophecy, highlighting the effects of mercury poisoning. That area also known for magnetic anomalies or illusios. And the fact he used it as to say he is familiar with Capitola to lend credence he lived there, is as Jed said a dressing..It only kills the story more. Thanks Ivo, your a God Send.

How these two can be construed as a basis that Raj saw a covert craft is beyond me. There is nothing secret about the uav 160 project, and is readily available on wiki, Darpa, and other sites. The only ones I can call wierd are a ribbon shaped one that can stay up 5 years, and the swarm minis, that can be controlled by one PC operator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_FORESTER
http://www.srctecinc.com/common/downloads/whats_new/FORESTER_SIGNAL%20June%202007_pg39.pdf
http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,165091,00.html?ESRC=dod-bz.nl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_FORESTER
These Isaac drones passed off as real, are not those drones/uav we know for real.
The only leaks any of them helped with , are the bathroom leaks they took, after the good laugh they took.
But as they returned to the crowded dining room, everyone noted they came out with their flys open.
how embarrasing.
Thats my simile.
==sniggles==
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on Jan 23rd, 2009, 8:12pm, tomi01uk wrote:
But what is the truth?


Nothing related to the drones thus far!!
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 11:40pm »

Hi Doc! Just thought I'd stop by. You are still refing huh? Hi everyone! I'm going way back on this subject. I was a true believer too. I might still be but...since there's no resolving this and I don't care to argue....I just don't care anymore. Hopefully, time will resolve the legitamacy or falseness of the issue. Have fun! smiley
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on Jan 23rd, 2009, 9:06pm, Denise wrote:
Torvald was correct and spot on

Torvald was 100% off in his assessment of the drone orientation! But because he says HOAX, you jump his bandwagon, lol!

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« Reply #14 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 12:15am »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 11:49pm, newtothis wrote:
Torvald was 100% off in his assessment of the drone orientation! But because he says HOAX, you jump his bandwagon, lol!

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Please show YOUR analysis and why YOU think that Torvald was incorrect otherwise you are arguing for the sake of argument and bring nothing to the table...
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