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xx Drone Discussion #10
« Thread started on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 11:08am »

This is a continuation of the 2007 California Drone discussion.


Previous Drone thread (#9) is located here.


The Original Drone Sightings are as follows:

1) The *Chad* Drone, originally posted at the Coast2Coast Website.
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftphotos.html

2) The *Lake Tahoe* Drone - Mufon <submitter> 7013
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftdrone.html

3) The *Rajman1977* Drone, originally posted at Flickr.
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html

4) The *Jenna L/Stephen* Drone, originally posted at UFOCasebook.
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

5) The *Ty* Drone, originally posted at Earthfiles:
URL: http://tinyurl.com/4cpcgk

The *Isaac* documentation, originally posted at Fortunecity.com.:
URL: http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 11:08am »

I appreciate all sides of the argument but if any of you have proof Tomi is involved in the Drone hoax then bring it on, otherwise not only are you making her a martyr to the cause but the last few pages of the other thread was, well, embarrassing and just plain uncomfortable to read.

Why can’t you realise that the more you finger-point and cast baseless aspersions that you are ultimately no better than what you accuse Tomi of being?

Worse still this is a bunch of people who all allegedly have the same interest at heart, i.e. UFOlogy and any truth that is contained therein, so do you really think ridiculing Tomi is the way forward?

At the end of the day practically everyone knows the Drones were indeed a hoax and I think you should look inside yourselves and try to figure out why just because a very small group of people can’t see it that it apparently causes you so much personal anguish. I made my peace with the DRT and their funky beliefs quite a while back and I think I’m the only one who is still banned from viewing theirs & Nemo’s boards, but so what? It’s obvious what their agenda is and good luck to them…..

Any posts containing further accusations without proof or what could be perceived as school-yard bullying will be removed, so please step back, assess the situation and above all, get a grip people.

As you were…..
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 11:32am »

Why not just close this down then? Oh, yeah, I keep forgetting the hit counter...
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #3 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 11:37am »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 11:32am, Double Knit Spy wrote:
Why not just close this down then? Oh, yeah, I keep forgetting the hit counter...

Ha, ha, you must be joking, there’s only about six of us who read & contribute to it!! laugh

But please feel free to stop visiting…..

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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #4 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 11:39am »

Finally... The voice of reason! wink

Here are the answers to the "ask Sidd"-posts:

1. Tomi had simply mentioned, that she had spent so much time with the drones and she did not want to end it just like that. Yes, she had thought that it would be a great book or film at one point.
When Sys asked me for news, I told him, that I had no contact at that time and that the above thoughts were the last thing, I had heard of her. This does not make Tomi a producer of a movie at all.

2. The Reyes-group was just a Yahoo-group. I don't think it was hidden or secret. But I don't know, if one could simply ask for getting a member or if it was necessary to get an invitation. I guess, everybody could have joined.

Hope this answers the questions.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 11:48am »

So what does this mean, exactly?

Topic: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Truth (Read 23803 times)
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #6 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 11:52am »

Of course there is no proof Tomi is a hoaxer or an agent of deception.....she just fits the profile based on her actions and posts. At this late stage of the game, with everything that is now known about the drones, anybody that still pushes a drone agenda is either a hoaxer or a agent of disinfo. She comes here everyday to mingle with the drone skeptics. Why?

I certainly will not entertain her agenda any longer. I impose a self ban on myself to stay out of this thread.

I bid you all farewell and leave you with a warning. Do not believe a thing from the DRT or Tomi. They are not on the up and up.

Real cases are out there, Gentlemen, the distraction has lasted long enough.

See you in other threads and other forums but I am done here.
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 12:05pm »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 11:48am, Double Knit Spy wrote:
So what does this mean, exactly?

Topic: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Truth (Read 23803 times)

Obviously I can only tell you what it means to me and in that context it appears that you’re implying I somehow have something to gain from the amount of board views a thread I’m moderating receives.

When I made my first post a little while ago I’d literally just walked in from work, believe me when I say that the until you posted the amount of views was completely unknown to me as was the fact you think so little of my motivations and intent. If the roles were reversed I certainly wouldn’t waste my time on someone and something I evidently have such a low opinion of.

But that's just me.....
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 12:21pm »

We all have lots of motives, some admirable and some not. I do not have a low opinion of you, but I have trouble figuring out why you keep giving a platform to the one remaining dronie and then criticizing us for calling BS. Everybody knows it's BS.
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 12:38pm »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 12:21pm, Double Knit Spy wrote:
We all have lots of motives, some admirable and some not. I do not have a low opinion of you, but I have trouble figuring out why you keep giving a platform to the one remaining dronie and then criticizing us for calling BS. Everybody knows it's BS.

Agreed which is why I wrote:

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 11:08am, DrDil wrote:
At the end of the day practically everyone knows the Drones were indeed a hoax

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If every single member of the DRT were to post/register here then that would be absolutely fine, I’d willingly facilitate a platform for them all to state their views without ridicule.

Disagree? Yes.

State that they’re wrong? Yes.

Highlight the error of their ways? But of course!!

It’s only the ridicule that’s the problem, after all this time and how well we superficially know each other even stating that you believe Tomi has an agenda is just fine, it’s the unnecessarily nasty comments I was referencing and I hoped everyone knew this.

(Sorry to see you go Jed…..)

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« Reply #10 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 12:55pm »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 11:39am, SiddReader wrote:
Finally... The voice of reason! wink

Here are the answers to the "ask Sidd"-posts:

1. Tomi had simply mentioned, that she had spent so much time with the drones and she did not want to end it just like that. Yes, she had thought that it would be a great book or film at one point.
When Sys asked me for news, I told him, that I had no contact at that time and that the above thoughts were the last thing, I had heard of her. This does not make Tomi a producer of a movie at all.

2. The Reyes-group was just a Yahoo-group. I don't think it was hidden or secret. But I don't know, if one could simply ask for getting a member or if it was necessary to get an invitation. I guess, everybody could have joined.

Hope this answers the questions.


How is it ony you and Tomi and three others found..odd isnt it? right at the onset when interest was greatest..nobody else heard of it..and the draft was introduced by Tomi which she said she stumbled upon..she forgot she was a member of the group..no need to stumble..no not secret..but hidden ..especially since Reyes said he had students yet the group stayed same size..then vanished..along with Reyes..who you said was interviwed by linda..but she never used the interview..cancelled mention and booked to UK..its not he was a no show..she changed her mind..

Of course thats just me

As for Tomi who who changed more adresses in FL than you can shake a stick at, in 2008 conducted searches of me..according via reunion.com all info was for floriday.now in 2009..uk appears a s a sweet old 60 year old woman..shows up quite nicely. covering maiden name as well as married name..what prompted the change?

I agree double..this is most Flaky..
and im not the one shedding flakes..

Doc is there anyreason why the Lev directory was moved..I needed to compare some older Fotos...would you email the new link..
Thank you.

cheers all..

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« Reply #11 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 12:57pm »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 12:38pm, DrDil wrote:
(Sorry to see you go Jed…..)

Cheers.


I'll still be around. I love Casebook and appreciate being allowed to voice my opinion.

I'm just through dancing with Tomi. tongue
My self imposed ban from this thread has changed to a self imposed ban to ignore Tomi. cool

If I see a post that is interesting, enlightening, amazing or incredible, I still may chime in from time to time.

Thank you DrDil, for your excellent moderating and patience! wink
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 1:42pm »

My fondest memory of you Jedd was when you asked about the cement drive..that was the straw that broke the camels back and led to discovery of numbers lying, the Restaurant, the phony witness report of new sightings down the road , the PIs adresses, up the road..there was no stopping the truth then..I am in your debt for your persistence.

I want you to know I was also impressed..with your early days..thoughts .in pre 2000 ..you are a bonafide credit to this field..Lord knows I wish we hundreds like you..to unrave the thousands of lies in the subterfuge going on..

You really should consider wrting..it was certainly a pleasure reading you.
Im glad your not leaving..either..
I think an off/on ignore button would work fine...and protects the right of free speech..and even help in cooling off moments..but its not my house..


I salute you

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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #13 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 2:42pm »

Tomi, you have the basics figured and you know it was no viral marketing. They compare it with O'Hare which was fake photos from one end to the other. While O'Hare was an unknown the Drones were not. A hoax is an easy term to apply to them and convenient, it files them neatly away for now. I have found that disinformation flows both ways and the best thing to do is take advantage of it. The Drones have been labeled a minor hoax and and erstwhile myth. Just what was wanted. Ufology remains a marvelous cover.
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 3:06pm »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 2:42pm, Masker33 wrote:
Tomi, you have the basics figured and you know it was no viral marketing. They compare it with O'Hare which was fake photos from one end to the other. While O'Hare was an unknown the Drones were not. A hoax is an easy term to apply to them and convenient, it files them neatly away for now. I have found that disinformation flows both ways and the best thing to do is take advantage of it. The Drones have been labeled a minor hoax and and erstwhile myth. Just what was wanted. Ufology remains a marvelous cover.


Fake photos did come out concerning O'Hare, and were immediately recognized as such. The sighting nonetheless remains 100 times more credible than the drone case.
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