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#2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 4th, 2007, 6:42pm


Explanation of the Recent
"Strange Craft"
Sightings


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Here is the brief introduction. I'm using the alias Isaac, and used to work in what was called the CARET program in the 80's. During my time there, I worked with a lot of the technology that is clearly at work in the recent drone/strange craft sightings, most notably the "language" and diagrams seen on the underside of each craft. What follows is a lengthy letter about who I am, what I know, and what these sightings are (probably) all about.

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The appearance of these photos has convinced me to release at least some of the numerous photographs and photocopied documents I still possess some 20 years later that can explain a great deal about these sightings. On this site you will find some of these. They are available as high resolution scans that I am giving away free, PROVIDED THEY ARE NOT MODIFIED IN ANY WAY AND ARE KEPT TOGETHER ALONG WITH THIS WRITTEN MATERIAL. (located in the address provided below)

I am also trying to get in touch with the witnesses so far, such as Chad, Rajman, Jenna, Ty, and the Lake Tahoe witness (especially Chad). I have advice for them that may be somewhat helpful in dealing with what they've seen and what I would recommend they do with what they know. If you are one of these witnesses, or can put me in touch with them, please contact Coast to Coast AM and let them know.

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My Experience with the CARET Program and Extra-terrestrial Technology

Isaac, June 2007
This letter is part of a package I've assembled for Coast to Coast AM to distribute to its audience. It is a companion to numerous document and photo scans and should not be separated from them.

You can call me Isaac, an alias I've chosen as a simple measure of protection while I release what would be called tremendously sensitive information even by todays standards. “Sensitive” is not necessarily synonymous with “dangerous”, though, which is why my conscience is clear as I offer this material up for the public. My government has its reasons for its continual secrecy, and I sympathize with many of them, but the truth is that I'm getting old and I'm not interested in meeting my maker one day with any more baggage than necessary! Furthermore, I put a little more faith in humanity than my former bosses do, and I think that a release of at least some of this info could help a lot more than it could hurt, especially in today's world.

I should be clear before I begin, as a final note: I am not interested in making myself vulnerable to the consequences of betraying the trust of my superiors and will not divulge any personal information that could determine my identity. However my intent is not to deceive, so information that I think is too risky to share will be simply left out rather than obfuscated in some way (aside from my alias, which I freely admit is not my real name). I would estimate that with the information contained in this letter, I could be narrowed down to one of maybe 30-50 people at best, so I feel reasonably secure.

Some Explanation for the Recent Sightings
For many years I've occasionally considered the release of at least some of the material I possess, but the recent wave of photos and sightings has prompted me to cut to the chase and do so now.

I should first be clear that I'm not directly familiar with any of the crafts seen in the photos in their entirety. I've never seen them in a hangar or worked on them myself or seen aliens zipping around in them. However, I have worked with and seen many of the parts visible in these crafts, some of which can be seen in the Q3-85 Inventory Review scan found at the top of this page.

Moderator comment: What he is referring to is the website address at the bottom of this post.

More importantly though, I'm very familiar with the “language” on their undersides seen clearly in photos by Chad and Rajman, and in another form in the Big Basin photos.

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One question I can answer for sure is why they're suddenly here. These crafts have probably existed in their current form for decades, and I can say for sure that the technology behind them has existed for decades before that. The “language”, in fact, (I'll explain shortly why I keep putting that in quotes) was the subject of my work in years past. I'll cover that as well.

The reason they're suddenly visible, however, is another matter entirely. These crafts, assuming they're anything like the hardware I worked with in the 80's (assuming they're better, in fact), are equipped with technology that enables invisibility. That ability can be controlled both on board the craft, and remotely. However, what's important in this case is that this invisibility can also be disrupted by other technology. Think of it like radar jamming. I would bet my life savings (since I know this has happened before) that these craft are becoming visible and then returning to invisibility arbitrarily, probably unintentionally, and undoubtedly for only short periods, due to the activity of a kind of disrupting technology being set off elsewhere, but nearby. I'm especially sure of this in the case of the Big Basin sightings, were the witnesses themselves reported seeing the craft just appear and disappear. This is especially likely because of the way the witness described one of the appearances being only a momentary flicker, which is consistent with the unintentional, intermittent triggering of such a device.

It's no surprise that these sightings are all taking place in California, and especially the Saratoga/South Bay area. Not far from Saratoga is Mountain View/Sunnyvale, home to Moffett Field and the NASA Ames Research center. Again, I'd be willing to bet just about anything that the device capable of hijacking the cloaking of these nearby craft was inadvertently triggered, probably during some kind of experiment, at the exact moment they were being seen. Miles away, in Big Basin, the witnesses were in the right place at the right time and saw the results of this disruption with their own eyes. God knows what else was suddenly appearing in the skies at that moment, and who else may have seen it. I've had some direct contact with this device, or at least a device capable of the same thing, and this kind of mistake is not unprecedented. I am personally aware of at least one other incident in which this kind of technology was accidentally set off, resulting in the sudden visibility of normally invisible things. The only difference is that these days, cameras are a lot more common!

The technology itself isn't ours, or at least it wasn't in the 80's. Much like the technology in these crafts themselves, the device capable of remotely hijacking a vehicle's clacking comes from a non-human source too. Why we were given this technology has never been clear to me, but it's responsible for a lot.

Moderator comment: The writer may have meant to say 'cloaking' instead of 'clacking'. Clacking is a word, which means a sound or noise and does not appear to pertain to the sentence.

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Our having access to this kind of device, along with our occasionally haphazard experimentation on them, has lead to everything from cloaking malfunctions like this to full-blown crashes. I can assure you that most (and in my opinion all) incidents of UFO crashes or that kind of thing had more to do with our meddling with extremely powerful technology at an inopportune time than it did mechanical failure on their part. Trust me, those things don't fail unless something even more powerful than them makes them fail (intentionally or not). Think of it like a stray bullet. You can be hit by one at any time, without warning, and even the shooter didn't intent to hit you. I can assure you heads are rolling over this as well. If anyone notices a brilliant but sloppy physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad in the next couple weeks, I'd be willing to guess how he got there. (I kid, of course, as I certainly hope that hasn't actually happened in this case)

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I'd now like to explain how it is that I know this.

See the rest of the text as well as
copies of the reports and pictures presented by Isaac


http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/




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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 4th, 2007, 6:43pm

At a glance, here are the linguistic primers, which Isaac mentions he made copies of. I'll be back with cleaner and larger versions later today. As well, the report pages are as follows.

CARET REPORT
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 4th, 2007, 6:44pm

Here is the rest of the text from the initial post and we now have everything in it's entirety here in this thread.

The CARET Program

My story begins the same as it did for many of my co workers, with graduate and post-graduate work at university in electrical engineering. And I had always been interested in computer science, which was a very new field at the time, and my interest piqued with my first exposure to a Tixo during grad school. In the years following school I took a scenic route through the tech industry and worked for the kinds of companies you would expect, until I was offered a job at the Department of Defense and things took a very different turn.

Moderator comment: If you are not familiar with Tixo, please see following.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TX-0

My time at the DoD was mostly uneventful but I was there for quite a while. I apparently proved myself to be reasonably intelligent and loyal. By 1984 these qualities along with my technical background made me a likely candidate for a new program they were recruiting for called “CARET”.

Before I explain what CARET was I should back up a little. By 1984, Silicon Valley had been a juggernaut of technology for decades. In the less than 40 years since the appearance of Shockley’s transistor this part of the world had already produced a multi billion dollar computer industry and made technological strides that were unprecedented in other fields, from hypertext and online collaboration in '68 to the Alto in '73.

Private industry in Silicon Valley was responsible for some of the most incredible technological leaps in history and this fact did not go unnoticed by the US government and military. I don’t claim to have any special knowledge about Roswell or any of the other alleged early UFO events, but I do know that whatever the exact origin, the military was hard at work trying to understand and use the extra-terrestrial artifacts it had in its possession. While there had been a great deal of progress overall, things were not moving as quickly as some would have liked. So, in 1984, the CARET program was created with the aim of harnessing the abilities of private industry in silicon valley and applying it to the ongoing task of understanding extra-terrestrial technology.

One of the best examples of the power of the tech sector was Xerox PARC, a research center in Palo Alto, CA. XPARC was responsible for some of the major milestones in the history of computing. While I never had the privilege of working there myself I did know many of the people who did and I can say that they were among the brightest engineers I ever knew.

XPARC served as one of the models for the CARET program’s first incarnation, a facility called the Palo Alto CARET Laboratory (PACL, lovingly pronounced “packle” during my time there). This was where I worked, along with numerous other civilians, under the auspices of military brass who were eager to find out how the tech sector made so much progress so quickly. My time at the DoD was a major factor behind why I was chosen, and in fact about 30+ others who were hired around the same time had also been at the Department about as long, but this was not the case for everyone. A couple of my co-workers were plucked right from places like IBM and, at least two of them came from XPARC itself. My DoD experience did make me more eligable for positions of management, however, which is how I have so much of this material in my possession to begin with.

So in other words, civilians like myself who had at--at most--some decent experience working for the DoD but no actual military training or involvement, were suddenly finding ourselves in the same room as highly classified extra-terrestrial technology. Of course they spent about 2 months briefing us all before we saw or did anything, and did their best to convince us that if we ever leaked a single detail about what we were being told, they’d do everything short of digging up our ancestors and putting a few slugs in them too just for good measure. It seemed like there was an armed guard in every corner of every room. I’d worked under some pretty hefty NDAs in my time but this was so far out of my depth I didn’t think I was going to last 2 weeks in an environment like that. But amazingly things got off to a good start. They wanted us, plain and simple, and our industry had shown itself to be so good at what it did that they were just about ready to give us carte blanche.

Of course, nothing with the military is ever that simple, and as is often the case they wanted to have their cake and eat it too. What I mean by this is that despite their interest in picking our brains and learning whatever they could from our way of doing things, they still wanted to do it their way often enough to frustrate us.

At this point I'm going to gloss over the emotional side of this experience, because this letter isn't intended to be a memoir, but I will say that there's almost no way to describe the impact this kind of revelation has on your mind. There are very few moments in life in which your entire world view is turned forever upside down, but this was one of them. I still remember that turning point during the briefing when I realized what he'd just told us, and that I hadn't heard him wrong, and that it wasn't some kind of joke. In retrospect the whole thing feels like it was in slow motion, from that slight pause he took just before the term “extra-terrestrial” came out for the first time, to the way the room itself seemed to go off kilter as we collectively tried to grasp what was being said. My reflex kept jumping back and forth between trying to look at the speaker, to understand him better, and looking at everyone else around me, to make sure I wasn't the only one that was hearing this. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, it's a lot like a child learning his parents are divorcing. I never experienced that myself, but a very close friend of mine did when were boys, and he confided in me a great deal about what the experience felt like. A lot of what he said would aptly describe what I was feeling in that room. Here was a trusted authority figure telling you something that you just don't feel ready for, and putting a burden on your mind that you don't necessarily want to carry. The moment that first word comes out, all you can think about it is what it was like only seconds ago, and knowing that life is never going to be as simple as it was then. After all that time at the DoD, I thought I at least had some idea of what was going on in the world, but I'd never heard so much as a peep about this. Maybe one day I'll write more on this aspect, because it's the kind of thing I really would like to get off my chest, but for now I'll digress.

Unlike traditional research in this area, we weren’t working on new toys for the air force. For numerous reasons, the CARET people decided to aim its efforts at commercial applications rather than military ones. They basically wanted us to turn these artifacts into something they could patent and sell. One of CARET’s most appealing promises was the revenue generated by these product-ready technologies, which could be funneled right back into black projects. Working with a commercial application in mind was also yet another way to keep us in a familiar mind state. Developing technology for the military is very different than doing so for the commercial sector, and not having to worry about the difference was another way that CARET was very much like private industry.

CARET shined in the way it let us work the way we were used to working. They wanted to recreate as much of the environment we were used to as they could without compromising issues like security. That meant we got free reign to set up our own workflow, internal management structure, style manuals, documentation, and the like. They wanted this to look and feel like private industry, not the military. They knew that was how to get the best work out of us, and they were right.

But things didn’t go as smoothly when it came to matters like access to classified information. They were exposing what is probably their single biggest secret to a group of people who had never even been through basic training and it was obvious that the gravity of this decision was never far from their minds. We started the program with a small set of extra-terrestrial artifacts along with fairly elaborate briefings on each as well as access to a modest amount of what research had already been completed. It wasn’t long before we realized we needed more though, and getting them to provide even the smallest amount of new material was like pulling teeth. CARET stood for “Commercial Applications Research for Extra-terrestrial Technology”, but we often joked that it should have stood for “Civilians Are Rarely Ever Trusted.”

PACL was located in Palo Alto, but unlike XPARC, it wasn’t at the end of a long road in the middle of a big complex surrounded by rolling hills and trees. PACL was hidden in an office complex owned entirely by the military but made to look like an unassuming tech company. From the street, all you could see was what appeared to be a normal parking lot with a gate and a guard booth, and a 1-story building inside with a fictitious name and logo. What wasn’t visible from the street was that behind the very first set of doors was enough armed guards to invade Poland, and 5 additional underground stories. They wanted to be as close as possible to the kinds of people they were looking to hire and be able to bring them in with a minimum of fuss.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 4th, 2007, 6:44pm

Inside, we had everything we needed. State of the art hardware and a staff of over 200 computer scientists, electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, physicists and mathematicians. Most of us were civilians, as I’ve said, but some were military, and a few of them had been working on this technology already. Of course, you were never far from the barrel of a machine gun, even inside the labs themselves (something many of us never got used to), and bi-weekly tours were made by military brass to ensure that not a single detail was out of line. Most of us underwent extensive searches on our way into and out of the building. There it was, probably the biggest secret in the world, in a bunch of parts spread out on laboratory tables in the middle of Palo Alto so you can imagine their concern.

One downside to CARET was that it wasn't as well-connected as other operations undoubtedly were. I never got to see any actual extra-terrestrials (not even photos), and in fact never even saw one of their compete vehicles. 99% of what I saw was related to the work at hand, all of which was conducted within a very narrow context on individual artifacts only. The remaining 1% came from people I met through the program, many of which working more closely with “the good stuff” or had in the past.

In fact, what was especially amusing about the whole affair was the way that our military management almost tried to act as if the technology we were essentially reverse engineering wasn't extra-terrestrial at all. Aside from the word “extra-terrestrial” itself, we rarely heard any other terms like “alien” or “UFO” or “outer space” or anything. Those aspects were only mentioned briefly when absolutely necessary to explain something. In many cases it was necessary to differentiate between the different races and their respective technology, and they didn't even use the word “races”. They were referred to simply as different “sources”.

The Technology

A lot of the technology we worked on was what you would expect, namely antigravity. Most of the researchers on the staff with backgrounds in propulsion and rocketry were military men, but the technology we were dealing with was so out of this world that it didn’t really matter all that much what your background was because none of it applied. All we could hope to do was use the vocabulary of our respective fields as a way to model the extremely bizarre new concepts we were very slowly beginning to understand as best we could. A rocket engineer doesn’t usually rub elbows much with a computer scientist, but inside PACL, we were all equally mystified and were ready to entertain any and all ideas.

The physicists made the most headway initially because out of all of our skills, theirs overlapped the most with the concepts behind this technology (although that isn’t saying much!) Once they got the ball rolling though, we began to find that many of the concepts found in computer science were applicable as well, albeit in very vague ways. While I didn’t do a lot of work with the antigrav hardware myself, I was occasionally involved in the assessment of how that technology was meant to interface with its user.

The antigrav was amazing, of course, as were the advances we were making with materials engineering and so on. But what interested me most then, and still amazes me most to this day, was something completely unrelated. In fact, it was this technology that immediately jumped out at me when I saw the Chad and Rajman photos, and even moreso in the Big Basin photos.

The “Language”

I put the word Language in quotes because calling what I am about to describe a “language” is a misnomer, although it is an easy mistake to make.

Their hardware wasn’t operated in quite the same way as ours. In our technology, even today, we have a combination of hardware and software running almost everything on the planet. Software is more abstract than hardware, but ultimately it needs hardware to run it. In other words, there’s no way to write a computer program on a piece of paper, set that piece of paper on a table or something, and expect it to actually do something. The most powerful code in the world still doesn’t actually do anything until a piece of hardware interprets it and translates its commands into actions.

But their technology is different. It really did operate like the magical piece of paper sitting on a table, in a manner of speaking. They had something akin to a language, that could quite literally execute itself, at least in the presence of a very specific type of field. The language, a term I am still using very loosely, is a system of symbols (which does admittedly very much resemble a written language) along with geometric forms and patterns that fit together to form diagrams that are themselves functional. Once they are drawn, so to speak, on a suitable surface made of a suitable material and in the presence of a certain type of field, they immediately begin performing the desired tasks. It really did seem like magic to us, even after we began to understand the principles behind it.

I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos. They appear in a very simple form on Chad’s craft, but appear in the more complex diagram form on the underside of the Big Basin craft as well. Both are unmistakable, even at the small size of the Big Basin photos. An example of a diagram in the style of the Big Basin craft is included with this in a series of scanned pages from the [mistitled] "Linguistic Analysis Primer". We needed a copy of that diagram to be utterly precise, and it took about a month for a team of six to copy that diagram into our drafting program!

Explaining everything I learned about this technology would fill up several volumes, but I will do my best to explain at least some of the concepts as long as I am taking the time to write all this down.

First of all, you wouldn't open up their hardware to find a CPU here, and a data bus there, and some kind of memory over there. Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate - each "computational element" (essentially individual particles) can function independently, but are designed to function together in tremendously large clusters. I say its holographic because you can divide it up into the smallest chunks you want and still find a scaled-down but complete representation of the whole system. They produce a nonlinear computational output when grouped. So 4 elements working together is actually more than 4 times more powerful than 1. Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state. The shape of these "chunks" of substrate also had a profound effect on its functionality, and often served as a "shortcut" to achieve a goal that might otherwise be more complex.

So back to the language. The language is actually a "functional blueprint". The forms of the shapes, symbols and arrangements thereof is itself functional. What makes it all especially difficult to grasp is that every element of each "diagram" is dependant on and related to every other element, which means no single detail can be created, removed or modified independently. Humans like written language because each element of the language can be understood on its own, and from this, complex expressions can be built. However, their "language" is entirely context-sensitive, which means that a given symbol could mean as little as a 1-bit flag in one context, or, quite literally, contain the entire human genome or a galaxy star map in another. The ability for a single, small symbol to contain, not just represent, tremendous amounts of data is another counter-intuitive aspect of this concept. We quickly realized that even working in groups of 10 or more on the simplest of diagrams, we found it virtually impossible to get anything done. As each new feature was added, the complexity of the diagram exponentially grew to unmanageable proportions. For this reason we began to develop computer-based systems to manage these details and achieved some success, although again we found that a threshold was quickly reached beyond which even the supercomputers of the day were unable to keep up. Word was that the extra-terrestrials could design these diagrams as quickly and easily as a human programmer could write a Fortran program. It's humbling to think that even a network of supercomputers wasn't able to duplicate what they could do in their own heads. Our entire system of language is based on the idea of assigning meaning to symbols. Their technology, however, somehow merges the symbol and the meaning, so a subjective audience is not needed. You can put whatever meaning you want on the symbols, but their behavior and functionality will not change, any more than a transistor will function differently if you give it another name.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 4th, 2007, 6:45pm

Here's an example of how complex the process is. Imagine I ask you to incrementally add random words to a list such that no two words use any of the same letters, and you must perform this exercise entirely in your head, so you can't rely on a computer or even a pen and paper. If the first in the list was, say, "fox", the second item excludes all words with the letters F, O and X. If the next word you choose is "tree", then the third word in the list can't have the letters F, O, X, T, R, or E in it. As you can imagine, coming up with even a third word might start to get just a bit tricky, especially since you can't easily visualize the excluded letters by writing down the words. By the time you get to the fourth, fifth and sixth words, the problem has spiraled out of control. Now imagine trying to add the billionth word to the list (imagine also that we're working with an infinite alphabet so you don't run out of letters) and you can imagine how difficult it is for even a computer to keep up. Needless to say, writing this kind of thing "by hand" is orders of magnitude beyond the capabilities of the brain.

My background lent itself well to this kind of work though. I'd spent years writing code and designing both analog and digital circuits, a process that at least visually resembled these diagrams in some way. I also had a personal affinity for combinatorics, which served me well as I helped with the design of software running on supercomputers that could juggle the often trillions of rules necessary to create a valid diagram of any reasonable complexity. This overlapped quite a bit with compiler theory as well, a subject I always found fascinating, and in particular compiler optimization, a field that wasn't half of what it is today back then. A running joke among the linguistics team was that Big-O notation couldn't adequately describe the scale of the task, so we'd substitute other words for "big". By the time I left I remember the consensus was "Astronomical-O" finally did it justice.

Like I said, I could go on for hours about this subject, and would love to write at least an introductory book on the subject if it wasn't still completely classified, but that's not the point of this letter so I'll try to get back on track.

The last thing I'd like to discuss is how I got copies of this material, what else I have in my possession, and what I plan to do with it in the future.

My Collection

I worked at PACL from 1984 to 1987, by which time I was utterly burned out. The sheer volume of details to keep in mind while working with the diagrams was enough to challenge anyone's sanity, and I was really at the end of my rope with the military's attitude towards our “need to know”. Our ability to get work done was constantly hampered by their reluctance to provide us with the necessary information, and I was tired of bureaucracy getting in the way of research and development. I left somewhere in the middle of a 3-month bell curve in which about a quarter of the entire PACL staff left for similar reasons.

I was also starting to disagree with the direction the leadership wanted to take as far as the subject of extra-terrestrials went. I always felt that at least some form of disclosure would be beneficial, but as a lowly CARET engineer I wasn't exactly in the position to call shots. The truth is, our management didn't even want us discussing non-technical aspects of this subject (such as ethical or philosophical issues), even among ourselves, as they felt it was enough of a breach of security to let civilians like us anywhere near this kind of thing in the first place.

So, about 3 months before I resigned (which was about 8 months before I was really out, since you don't just walk out of a job like that with a 2 week notice). I decided to start taking advantage of my position. As I mentioned earlier, my DoD experience got me into an internal management role sooner than some of my colleagues, and after about a year of that kind of status, the outgoing searches each night became slightly less rigorous. Normally, we were to empty out any containers, bags or briefcases, then remove our shirt and shoes and submit to a kind of frisking. Work was never allowed to go home with you, no matter who you were. For me, though, the briefcase search was eventually enough.

Even before I actually decided to do it, I was sure that I would be able to sneak certain materials out with me. I wanted to do this because I knew the day would come when I would want to write something like this, and I knew I'd regret it until the day I died if I didn't at least leave the possibility open to do so. So I started photocopying documents and reports by the dozen. I'd then put the papers under my shirt around my lower back, tucked enough into my belt to ensure they wouldn't fall out. I could do this in any one of a few short, windowless hallways on some of the lower floors, which were among the few places that didn't have an armged guard watching my every move. I'd walk in one end with a stack of papers large enough that when I came out the other end with some of them in my shirt, there wouldn't be a visible difference in what I was holding. You absolutely cannot be too careful if you're going to pull a stunt like this. As long as I walked carefully they wouldn't make a crinkling noise. In fact, the more papers I took, the less noise they made, since they weren't as flimsy that way. I'd often take upwards of 10-20 pages at once. By the time I was done, I'd made out with hundreds of photocopies, as well as a few originals and a large collection of original photographs.

With this initial letter I have attached high resolution scans of the following:

A page from an inventory review with a photo that appears to depict one of the parts found in the Rajman sighting and parts very similar to the Big Basin craft
The first 9 pages of one of our quarterly research reports
Scans of the original photographs used in that report, since the photocopies obscure most of the details
5 pages from a report on our ongoing analysis of the “language” (inappropriately titled “linguistic analysis”), depicting the kind of diagram just barely visible on the underside of the Big Basin craft
This material is the most relevant and explanatory I could find on short notice. Now that these are up, IF I decide to release more in the future, I'll be able to take my time and better search this rather large collection of mine that I've sadly never organized. I'm not sure what I'll be doing with the rest of the collection in the future. I suppose I'll wait and see how this all plays out, and then play it by ear. There are certainly risks involved in what I'm doing, and if I were to actually be identified and caught, there could be rather serious consequences. However, I've taken the proper steps to ensure a reasonable level of anonymity and am quite secure in the fact that the information I've so far provided is by no means unique among many of the CARET participants.

Besides, part of me has always suspected that the government relies on the occasional leak like this, and actually wants them to happen, because it contributes to a steady, slow-paced path towards revealing the truth of this matter.

Since Leaving CARET

Like I said, I left PACL in '87, but have kept in touch with a great many of my friends and coworkers from those days. Most of us are retired by now, except of course for those of us that went on to get teaching jobs, but a few of us still hear things through the grapevine.

As for CARET itself, I'm not sure what's become of it. Whether it's still known by the same name, I'm quite sure it's still active in some capacity, although who knows where. I heard from a number of people that PACL closed up shop a few years after I left, but I've still yet to get a clear answer on why exactly that happened. But I'm sure the kind of work we did there is still going strong. I've heard from a lot of friends that there are multiple sites like PACL in Sunnyvale and Mountain View, also disguised to look like unremarkable office space. But this is all second-hand information so you can make of it what you will.

Around 2002 or so I came across Coast to Coast AM and have been hooked ever since. I admit, I don't take most of the show's content as anything more than entertainment, but there have been occasions when I could be sure a guest was clearly speaking from experience or a well-informed source. For me, there's just something very surreal about hearing all this speculation and so-called inside information about UFOs and the like, but being personally able to verify at least some of it as being true or false. It's also a nightly reminder of how hectic things were in those days, which helps me enjoy my retirement all the more. Knowing I'm not part of that crazy world anymore really is something I enjoy on a daily basis, as much as I miss some of it.


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Post by oljack666 on Jul 4th, 2007, 6:45pm

Conclusion

What I've shared so far is only a very small portion of what I have, and what I know. Despite the very sheltered and insulated atmosphere within CARET, I did ultimately learn a great deal from various colleagues, and some of what I learned is truly incredible. I'd also like to say that for what it's worth, during my time there I never heard anything about invasions, or abductions, or many of the more frightening topics that often pop up on Coast to Coast AM. That's not to say that none of it is true, but in my time working alongside some of the most well-connected people in this field, it never came up. So at the very least I can say my intent is not to scare anyone. My view on the extra-terrestrial situation is very much a positive, albiet still highly secretive one.

One thing I can definitely say is that if they wanted us gone, we would have been gone a very, very long time ago, and we wouldn't even have seen it coming. Throw out your ideas about a space war or anything silly like that. We'd be capable of fighting back against them about as much as ants could fight back against a stampede of buffalo. But that's OK. We're the primitive race, they're the advanced races, and that's just the way it is. The other advanced races let them live through their primitive years back in their day, and there's no reason to think it will be any different for us. They aren't in the market for a new planet, and even if they were, there are way too many planets out there for them to care about ours enough to take it by force.

To reiterate my take on the recent sightings, I'd guess that experimentation done in the last couple months on a device that, among other things, is capable of interfering with various crafts onboard invisibility has resulted in a sudden wave of sightings. It may not explain all of the recent events, but like I said, I'd bet my life that's exactly what happened at Big Basin at least, and it's probably related in some way to the Chad, Rajman and Tahoe sightings. So, despite all the recent fanfare over this, I'd say this doesn't mean much. Most importantly, they aren't suddenly “here”. They've been here for a long time, but just happened to turn unintentionally visible for brief periods recently.

Lastly, there are so many people selling books, and DVDs, and doing lectures, and all that, that I would like to reiterate the fact that I am not here to sell anything. The material I'm sharing is free to distribute provided it's all kept intact and unmodified, and this letter is included. I tend to question the motives of anyone charging money for their information, and will assure you that I will never do such a thing. And in the future, just to cover all the bases, anyone claiming to be me who's selling a DVD or book is most certainly not going to be me.

Any future releases from me will come from the email address I've used to contact Coast to Coast AM, and will be sent to them only. I'd like to make this clear as well to ensure that people can be sure that any future information comes from the same source, although I must be clear: at this time I do not have any future plans for additional information. Time will tell how long I will maintain this policy, but do not expect anything soon. I'd really like to let this information “settle” for a while and see how it goes. If I find out I'm getting an IRS audit tomorrow, then maybe this wasn't too smart. Until then, I'm going to take it slow. I hope this information has been helpful.

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Post by MarkM on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:08pm

FROM THE OTHER THREAD:

Hi Latitude,

"If the ET's planet is so dry then how is it possible that life developed there in the first place? Sounds too much like War of the Worlds type sci-fi to me."

We are just starting to unravel the secrets of Mars, a dry planet that at one time in it's history may have been very much like our own. In fact, the very reason that we are so focused on Mars is because it might be terraformed and colonized at some point in the future.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286629,00.html

Who knows how far the evolution of possible life forms on Mars may hove gotten before the planet "flipped"? We may yet find life remaining, in some form or another, beneath the surface.

Hi WatchingWaiting,

I agree that this isn't the place for religious debate, however, when we discuss disclosure - like it or not - individual belief systems play a role. The reaction of many to the reality of ET will no doubt trigger a response based on faith (in all it's diverse forms). Skepticism, in a way is a belief system, perhaps the one that will be most shaken smiley.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:10pm

Here is the correct translation of Todd Schwartz email:

Hello

I've been on the road so I have not been able to stay on top of the
Isaac phenom. May I ask which boards you have been discussing the
isaaccaret.com issue?


I'm interested in getting the information out in an efficient and rapid
manner. I was surprised Isaac used a fortunecity.com subdomain. I
have registered the domain to ensure it will be put to good use.


I'm open to any suggestions. BTW you are the first to contact me with
the exception of one individual who thought I was Isaac. LOL
Cordially
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Post by DrDil on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:15pm

2007 DRONE REPORTS HISTORY (.PDF)

Download The Entire 2007 Drone UFO Sightings, Reports And Images. Every 2007 Drone sighting, report and image gathered so far into an easily accessible PDF document. PDF File Here
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:25pm

I got my copy - Thanks DrDil.

Members, for those of you that don't realize this, threads do disappear on forums - sometimes mysteriously so and it's very disheartening when an important thread is no longer available. People spend a lot of time forming their thoughts and posts only to have the server or host experience a glitch - or worse yet, an angry moderator or Admin out for revenge.

I've see two complete forums disappear over the last year. That's a ton of work for a lot of people and like me, I use this forum as an archive for my own personal experiences, similar to that of a diary. I have a copy of all of that of course but there are hundreds of members that do not have theirs.

So, it may appear as an inconvenience for anyone reading thread #1 and wishing to post but must move to thread #2 in order to do so, but in the long run we all win if thread #1 were to bite the dust.

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Post by castles4me on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:37pm

No problem atrueoriginal... I think it was wise to make sure it doesnt get deleted. It was a very good thread with lots of great brain/detective work.

Here is my last post from the other thread :

I went to check Foxnews.com and I didn't see this article the other day.... they must have added it back:

FRENCH SPACE AGENCY PUTS UFO FILES ONLINE
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,260590,00.html?sPage=fnc.science/space

Fox also on this same page has a video story of the Roswell UFO cover up.

(they have a link in this article to the French website.... to our French poster: isawaufooverparis .. can you tell us about the website there and what it says about UFO's?)

It is from March so I guess it's old news. I just hadn't seen it on any other site til now. Forgive me if there is already posts about this on other threads. It just goes along with our whole disclosure subject.

It seems like something is stirring the pot.... things are beginning to boil.
(Whoever posted the info about the Bush/Putin meeting -- that really piqued my curiosity about what they would need to buddy up and talk about right now while politically they aren't the best of friends right now to put it mildly!!)

IMO -- More, and more, we will see this kind of thing leading up to disclosure. I really don't think it will be alien landing on the whitehouse lawn. It will be a story here, a whistleblower there. Media story here.... media story there. More and more files released.... like a slow and steady stream.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:41pm

Believe it or not this picture is (sort of) relevant to the drone sightings.

http://www.autodesk.com/eng/etc/fakeorfoto/popup_01.html

Can you tell why?

Source=”http://www.autodesk.com/eng/etc/fakeorfoto/

-------It’s CGI!!-------


Just so people can appreciate what it's capable of.....


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Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:43pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:37pm, castles4me wrote:
IMO -- More, and more, we will see this kind of thing leading up to disclosure. I really don't think it will be alien landing on the whitehouse lawn. It will be a story here, a whistleblower there. Media story here.... media story there. More and more files released.... like a slow and steady stream.


Ya know....... Somehow I would prefer the alien landing on the whitehouse lawn. Much more dramatic!

Oh, and on the CGI or Real photos..... they have a link up there on the next page "Do YOU have any photos that you'd like to submit for "Fake or Real"?........ yeah, I can think of a couple of dozen..........
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Post by LangLee on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:49pm

I got 7 of 10 correct
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 4th, 2007, 8:04pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:41pm, DrDil wrote:
Believe it or not this picture is (sort of) relevant to the drone sightings.

http://www.autodesk.com/eng/etc/fakeorfoto/popup_01.html

Can you tell why?

Source=”http://www.autodesk.com/eng/etc/fakeorfoto/

-------It’s CGI!!-------


Just so people can appreciate what it's capable of.....



Yeah it's a good job. Great job on the reflections.

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Post by hjdelight on Jul 4th, 2007, 8:08pm

Thanks Doc! I had no real idea. That car looks as real as the drone photos so I am helpless without expert advice....like MarkM.

HJ
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Post by jugement on Jul 4th, 2007, 8:15pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:49pm, LangLee wrote:
I got 7 of 10 correct
so did I on the second I got five out of ten. grin
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Post by jugement on Jul 4th, 2007, 8:19pm

noticed how when we first started we were all full of excitement now I am drained ,what about you all. huh
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Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 4th, 2007, 8:20pm

i just ordered an infrared filter for my camcorder. Time to set it up at my back window on a daily basis and see if i can catch anything
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 4th, 2007, 8:39pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 8:19pm, jugement wrote:
noticed how when we first started we were all full of excitement now I am drained ,what about you all. huh


I'll second that jugement! I'm tired too. Too many sticks in my brain today.

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 4th, 2007, 8:40pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 8:08pm, hjdelight wrote:
Thanks Doc! I had no real idea. That car looks as real as the drone photos so I am helpless without expert advice....like MarkM.
HJ


Yeah, and we're starting to think that Mark is Isaac. LOL
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Post by castles4me on Jul 4th, 2007, 9:02pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 8:40pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Yeah, and we're starting to think that Mark is Isaac. LOL


Nah... Mark is the artistic/writer/philosphical/free-spirited kind of guy... I can't see him crunching numbers in a secret lab somewhere lol
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Post by Farmboy on Jul 4th, 2007, 9:08pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:37pm, castles4me wrote:
No problem atrueoriginal... I think it was wise to make sure it doesnt get deleted. It was a very good thread with lots of great brain/detective work.

Here is my last post from the other thread :

I went to check Foxnews.com and I didn't see this article the other day.... they must have added it back:

FRENCH SPACE AGENCY PUTS UFO FILES ONLINE
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,260590,00.html?sPage=fnc.science/space

Fox also on this same page has a video story of the Roswell UFO cover up.

(they have a link in this article to the French website.... to our French poster: isawaufooverparis .. can you tell us about the website there and what it says about UFO's?)

It is from March so I guess it's old news. I just hadn't seen it on any other site til now. Forgive me if there is already posts about this on other threads. It just goes along with our whole disclosure subject.

It seems like something is stirring the pot.... things are beginning to boil.
(Whoever posted the info about the Bush/Putin meeting -- that really piqued my curiosity about what they would need to buddy up and talk about right now while politically they aren't the best of friends right now to put it mildly!!)

IMO -- More, and more, we will see this kind of thing leading up to disclosure. I really don't think it will be alien landing on the whitehouse lawn. It will be a story here, a whistleblower there. Media story here.... media story there. More and more files released.... like a slow and steady stream.


Speaking of a gradual dripping of info, has anyone seen the recently announced release of the FBI's ufo files ?
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Post by castles4me on Jul 4th, 2007, 9:10pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:43pm, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
Oh, and on the CGI or Real photos..... they have a link up there on the next page "Do YOU have any photos that you'd like to submit for "Fake or Real"?........ yeah, I can think of a couple of dozen..........


Send them the one of the Birmingham Alabama drone from May 06 -- that one still bothers me, the position of the wires (it looks like it is in between the top wire and the lower wires) -- the center discoloration anomaly...

and the fact that it looks more like a kitchen gadget than it does a drone. It doesn't have any of the characteristics of the other drones other than similar shape. It is smaller, doesnt have the alien language on it that you can see... it's more metallic and looks "cheaper" Maybe that one was made in China smiley
lol
But, the witness does say that he saw government vehicles with trailers around there, and there is photo of vehicle/trailer on Earthfiles. (either he is a hoaxer or maybe the Gov. was sending one of those US made drones in the air for recon over someone's house and it lost it's invisibility for a minute)
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Post by MarkM on Jul 4th, 2007, 9:24pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 9:02pm, castles4me wrote:
Nah... Mark is the artistic/writer/philosphical/free-spirited kind of guy... I can't see him crunching numbers in a secret lab somewhere lol


Geeze guys!!! I leave for an hour and look at the trouble I'm in laugh!

Castles - you've got me pegged. That's one rumor we can put to rest smiley!
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Post by castles4me on Jul 4th, 2007, 9:27pm

why would government issue this press release May 15 ? very interesting.

http://stargate007.blogspot.com/2007/05/fbi-press-release-former-los-alamos.html

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Post by starsigndavid on Jul 4th, 2007, 9:32pm

Given where these drones have appeared up to this point, does anyone believe they are likely to appear elsewhere, ie.: NOT around high tension wires in low population areas. If the "appearance" is caused by interference from the electrical wires, that would rule out the possibility I suppose. But I have a feeling there may be other types of interference or atmospheric conditions that may cause the drones to be visible. It is just a feeling, though--maybe an optimistic one. IF this is the beginning of their staged introduction to us, perhaps they will be seen in different environments. As long as they stay a phenomenon of isloated areas, the mainstream media may never show interest.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 4th, 2007, 9:44pm

Farmboy.... I am trying to find out your FBI info.... Couldn't find one on FBI releasing UFO files anytime soon, was some released in 1998 according to one article I found. Do you know something we don't Farmboy? What do you know about it?

But, check this out.....

UK Ministry of Defense to Release UFO Files Online

http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,,2071030,00.html

Article dated May 3, 07
Uk says it is following lead of France who said in March that they were going to release all files (I posted the link to that site previously)

Hmmm all of these nations coming out of the closethuh?
why now? why when the drones/Isaac release ... the mile long UFO in UK huhhuhhuhhuhhuh??

This is also very interesting:

Duration: 01:43Taken: 01 July 2007Location: United StatesState Offiicals: Federal Government Was Testing Satellite System, Inadvertently Activated EAS

"An emergency alert announced on TV and radio stations in Illinois this morning appears to be the result of a human error in Washington, D.C. "Apparently, there's some kind of test being run that shouldn't be going out," Lawrence said. "(IEMA) is getting besieged with phone calls from all over...

"All television channels, including Channel 2 in Chicago, posted an emergency bulletin for District of Columbia and although you could see the news, you could not hear it," viewer Jan Hergesheimer wrote to CBS 2 Tuesday morning. "(It) was pretty scary for about 20 minutes."


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Post by oljack666 on Jul 4th, 2007, 10:05pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 9:02pm, castles4me wrote:
Nah... Mark is the artistic/writer/philosphical/free-spirited kind of guy... I can't see him crunching numbers in a secret lab somewhere lol


True, true. Did Mark ever share his website with you?
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Post by hjdelight on Jul 4th, 2007, 10:20pm

starsigndavid wrote


Given where these drones have appeared up to this point, does anyone believe they are likely to appear elsewhere, ie.: NOT around high tension wires in low population areas. If the "appearance" is caused by interference from the electrical wires, that would rule out the possibility I suppose. But I have a feeling there may be other types of interference or atmospheric conditions that may cause the drones to be visible. It is just a feeling, though--maybe an optimistic one. IF this is the beginning of their staged introduction to us, perhaps they will be seen in different environments. As long as they stay a phenomenon of isloated areas, the mainstream media may never show interest.


Who knows what is next? I never would have predicted this, that's for sure. I did notice in the CARET papers something as I reread them. I found it interesting that a "locK" between two objects, two pieces of broomhandle were used as an example I think, could be generated. There have been reports of lights flying in tandem as if one object and then breaking away from each other. Could this be an example of the use of a "locking gravity force"?

HJ
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Post by jugement on Jul 4th, 2007, 10:21pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 8:40pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Yeah, and we're starting to think that Mark is Isaac. LOL
ATO like I said your great I thought that way back.and I started to ask the question many times , even when some wrote . do you supose isaac is reading. ato=sweet lady grin
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Post by Farmboy on Jul 4th, 2007, 10:29pm

ISAAC: "Now imagine trying to add the billionth word to the list (imagine also that we're working with an infinite alphabet"
This is from post#4, this thread.
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"Quick mental associations regarding the "language" and computer apparatus:

CARET LANGUAGE SHOULD NOT BE LINKABLE TO ANY HUMAN ALPHABET OR LANUAGE. BUT IT IS LINKABLE TO CLEMENTINE (CLEVER GAME HERE)...SO..IT MIGHT BE THAT IN THE CLEMENTINE REFERENCES IS THE HOME OF OUR ET. HA!

1 Isaac's use of "billionth" suggests quantum computing ...with data strings larger than billions of Qbits (in fact billions of solid state lattice data points each made up of possibly millions of variable sub-data "vectors", quantum degeneracies). Human computers were still stuck on 4-8 thousand word data points, each point of which existed in only 2 (!) modes, "off/on". This is the magnitude of the problem that faced Isaac in 1984. His crew could not even talk together about, or even think about what they saw then. (THEY CAN TALK ABOUT IT TODAY, a working CARET computer is yet to be built but it is now doubt being built.)

COMMENT:
One wonders if CARET has been waiting for human science to catch up naturally, or did CARET feed its urgency to DOD who funded graduate programs and start up companies to develop people and technologies to implement the CARET artifact's technology. No doubt the latter.
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Example of current academic research:
New Generation Computing archive, Volume 21 , Issue 4 (April 2003)

"Quantum entanglement, a special correlation that can exist between subsystems of quantum multipartite systems, is increasingly seen as one of the most specific physical resources of quantum world. It is a resource that is not only behind the fact that quantum information processing can be more efficient than classical ones and that quantum communication can be both more efficient and more secure than classical one, but, and this is perhaps the main point, also behind an increasing confidence that quantum entanglement can lead to new quantum information processing technology and to a new, and deeper, understanding of important and complex (quantum) physics phenomena....we concentrate on this new physical resource and on its various, sometimes even mysterious, consequences and impacts on computations and communications."

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2. The Caret symbols on A1 thru A3, if not a hoax, can't be linked to any human historical alphabet, word, or phrase. In fact each symbol itself, and its placement next to another symbol or line, could represent thousands of years of acquired meaning (meme significance), or millions of sub-operations in a computer context...in an ET! culture and technology history. Probably a combination of both. I suggest FORGET TRYING TO TRANSLATE THE CARET LANGUAGE. (until we build big, fast quantum computers.) Meanwhile give effort to the CLEMENTINE site...odds were against that playing with the craft symbols would lead to CLEMENTINE

Personally, I feel Isaac's CARET "language" could be what Chinese pictograms would (if still around) look like after another thousand years of stylization (written streamlining) and contextual evolution...right now written Chinese characters are stylized, but recognizable, assemblages of simple (elements of) shapes...bridges, houses, boats, priests, etc. Each pictogram line, in placement with the other basic lines in the gram adds up to a new linked meaning. Yet a single line from a pictogram for typewriter might be meaningless or have an entirely diferent meaning. This is why Chinese has over 10,000 pictogrms, and basic Chinese requires memory of several thousand, while functional English requires a little over 500 words so I hear. Chinese, (like Caret language) has to be memorized and is difficult to be used to synthesize impromptu.

3 How might have the CARET written characters acquired their accumulated meanings. There is a human research area that attempts to describe how language words and phrases accumulate new meanings or keep old one. The area is called "Meme" theory.

Meme theory is being linked with modern Information Theory (including quantum entanglement) as the following Wickipedia excerpt indicates:

"A meme could consist of a single word, or a meme could consist of the entire speech in which that word was first uttered. The "word itself" meme will most likely survive many more generations (after transmission alone or in other sentences) than the "speech in its entirety" meme will survive (due to errors of memory, abridged versions, etc.). "

4 linkage of the CARET "programming" symbols describes a characteristic of quantum computing that in Isaac's time human science did not have the vocabulary to describe. Isaac did a good job of describing things functionally from his crew's observations. (like monkeys playing around with a TV remote). In taday;s sciene framework his crew could advance their understanding much further, but then what came first, the cart or horse.

In today's science vocabulary, the CARET "programming" symbols (macros) might be meme-evolved, but are no doubt also, as Isaac describes, quantum entangled, 3D patterns.

ET had technically evolved well along solving and implementing the quantum entanglement phenomena. The meaning of the CARET symbols is a product of probably thousands of years of accumulated ET cultural and technical evolution.


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Post by jugement on Jul 4th, 2007, 10:38pm

HjDELIGHT wrote,cpuld this be locking gravity force, I say yes, could that be the reason why the twisted wire did not connect because part of the craft became visable in that part of the twist in the wire, just a thought I am no exspert like you guys. wink
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Post by castles4me on Jul 4th, 2007, 11:02pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 10:29pm, Farmboy wrote:
COMMENT:
One wonders if CARET has been waiting for human science to catch up naturally, or did CARET feed its urgency to DOD who funded graduate programs and start up companies to develop people and technologies to implement the CARET artifact's technology. No doubt the latter.


I agree -- the latter. Look at Lawrence Livermore as we were studying in depth last night and the whole onset of STARWARS and other technologies. Ever since US GOV got ET tech it has created companies to implement it into civilian use. Lawrence Livermore labs and the like were funneling info to secret labs and other agencies and it's where we got mostly all of our breakthroughs in technology, medicine, communications and military. (I am just assuming and guessing really lol -- but I sound like I know what I am talking about)
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Post by MarkM on Jul 4th, 2007, 11:13pm

In musing over the "A" designation in the parts list, I'm thinking artifact. I can't shake the impression that "S" might be subject. That the craft interacts with the pilot in some way. A circuit of sorts, a bio-circuit. Taking telepathy to a new level where the recipient of the telepathically communicated information doesn't necessarily need to be another organic life form, it can be "mechanical". A device that responds to telepathic transmissions - receives, translates, activates. This would, in effect be a form of telekinesis.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 4th, 2007, 11:34pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 11:13pm, MarkM wrote:
In musing over the "A" designation in the parts list, I'm thinking artifact. I can't shake the impression that "S" might be subject. That the craft interacts with the pilot in some way. A circuit of sorts, a bio-circuit. Taking telepathy to a new level where the recipient of the telepathically communicated information doesn't necessarily need to be another organic life form, it can be "mechanical". A device that responds to telepathic transmissions - receives, translates, activates. This would, in effect be a form of telekinesis.


Thats what I was saying yesterday (or was it the day before) that S1 in the blacked out lines seems like it was "telepathically controlled device" -- I will have to find my post about it lol I can't remember what "brilliant" idea I had yesterday about it smiley
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 4th, 2007, 11:37pm

on Jul 4th, 2007, 10:21pm, jugement wrote:
ATO like I said your great I thought that way back.and I started to ask the question many times , even when some wrote . do you supose isaac is reading. ato=sweet lady grin


Yes, I'm sure he's reading. And yes, ATO = sweet lady User Image

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Post by Farmboy on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:11am

on Jul 4th, 2007, 11:13pm, MarkM wrote:
In musing over the "A" designation in the parts list, I'm thinking artifact. I can't shake the impression that "S" might be subject. That the craft interacts with the pilot in some way. A circuit of sorts, a bio-circuit. Taking telepathy to a new level where the recipient of the telepathically communicated information doesn't necessarily need to be another organic life form, it can be "mechanical". A device that responds to telepathic transmissions - receives, translates, activates. This would, in effect be a form of telekinesis.


Why not. We (US TECHNOL) will in a couple of years have the first brain elctrode inputs for computer control. Once the trodes are in, then the sky's the limit for transmitting and receiving all kinds of signals. And we're still primitive compared to CARET visitors.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:50am

If you connect the California sighting locations on a map, they make an almost perfect triangle....

Not sure if that means anything, but who knows... rolleyes
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 01:02am

on Jul 4th, 2007, 9:44pm, castles4me wrote:
Couldn't find one on FBI releasing UFO files anytime soon, was some released in 1998 according to one article I found.


For F.B.I., there's this.....

http://www.ufocasebook.com/fbi.html

Quote:
Hmmm all of these nations coming out of the closet?


Not really.

Quote:
Why now? why when the drones/Isaac release .


I don't associate the FOIA or anything else with what's happening right now. Not the drones and not Isaac. Just another day in the trenches. There's always something going on. I say this because the stance the U.S. is taking is still the same.

It's not just now, everything on this page is old and all of it happened in dribbles when it did happen. This is a daily occurance.

Major UFO Breakthrough in Brazil

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=disclosure&num=1179096771&start=0

Quote:
UK Ministry of Defense to Release UFO Files Online


Actually, as seen from this article, this all began about two years ago.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=disclosure&num=1179096495&start=0

FRANCE
That was a big deal (Internet wise). So much so that nobody could get into the sight it was so busy. I haven't done so yet myself. Well actually I did but it was all in French. Waiting to find English version. Translations don't work that well.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=disclosure&action=display&num=1179098133

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=disclosure&action=display&num=1179098030

Quote:
the mile long UFO in UK?


Here's another airline UFO. Lots of these though. They get listened to. End up losing their jobs. Nobody talks anymore.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/JALalaska.htm

No matter what, it has to be repetitive with pictures if the media is ever to break anything. Local channels pick this stuff up but big networks rarely touch it. Everyone listened to the airline pilot but no pictures - meaningless now.

Typical of Peter Jennings "Seeing Is Believing" program. A good number of people were interviewed for the program. Some for six months before it aired (spending a lot of time doing so) and then there was a change in what was going to be aired during the last couple of weeks, and even the last few days.

Besides that, they left out all the good evidence and left in just about everything that we teeter tawed on ourselves. It was an absolute joke.

The government has a tight control on what flys and what doesn't. Just like they do in their biz. Read this.

GREER ON JENNINGS REPORT
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=disclosure&action=display&num=1179096670

BUD HOPKINS ON JENNINGS REPORT
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1109552969&start=0




Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 01:25am

on Jul 4th, 2007, 10:29pm, Farmboy wrote:
CARET LANGUAGE SHOULD NOT BE LINKABLE TO ANY HUMAN ALPHABET OR LANUAGE. BUT IT IS LINKABLE TO CLEMENTINE (CLEVER GAME HERE)...SO..IT MIGHT BE THAT IN THE CLEMENTINE REFERENCES IS THE HOME OF OUR ET. HA!


Where did you get the Clementine thing from? castle4me mentioned Clementine yesterday too. What's that about?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 01:29am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:50am, Miscreant wrote:
If you connect the California sighting locations on a map, they make an almost perfect triangle....

Not sure if that means anything, but who knows... rolleyes


No need for anti-gravity, instead use Pyramid power. lol - me be funny again.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by beenieweenie on Jul 5th, 2007, 01:29am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 01:25am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Where did you get the Clementine thing from? castle4me mentioned Clementine yesterday too. What's that about?


I wondered too - maybe about the Clementine moon mission?

http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/

some sites report that classified photos reveal evidence of an alien moon base rolleyes that's actually what prompted me to start reading about ufos in the past several weeks... fast forward to now, I'm addicted to this site and board, and even got some crazy pictures of my own
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 5th, 2007, 03:39am

on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:15pm, DrDil wrote:
2007 DRONE REPORTS HISTORY (.PDF)

Download The Entire 2007 Drone UFO Sightings, Reports And Images. Every 2007 Drone sighting, report and image gathered so far into an easily accessible PDF document. PDF File Here

Thank you ! That's a great idea !
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 5th, 2007, 03:43am

on Jul 4th, 2007, 7:41pm, DrDil wrote:
Believe it or not this picture is (sort of) relevant to the drone sightings.

http://www.autodesk.com/eng/etc/fakeorfoto/popup_01.html

Can you tell why?

Source=”http://www.autodesk.com/eng/etc/fakeorfoto/

-------It’s CGI!!-------


Just so people can appreciate what it's capable of.....


I got 9 right answers out of 10 on the first part of the test ! I was wrong on the diamond picture but I didn't look at it long enough.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by WT on Jul 5th, 2007, 03:51am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 03:43am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
I got 9 right answers out of 10 on the first part of the test ! I was wrong on the diamond picture but I didn't look at it long enough.


I also got 9 of 10 right because of that diamonds. They are too blurry. And in the bonus round 4 of 4 right. So I guess, we all still can distinguish between real and CG pretty good.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by RoH on Jul 5th, 2007, 04:20am

Can't remember if this is already been mention in the tread:


Invisible drone

User Image

Quote frome site:
"Can a surveillance drone be made virtually invisible? VeraTech, based in Minnesota, US, thinks so. And patent applications filed by the company explain how."

Link to site: http://www.newscientist.com/blog/invention/2006/10/invisible-drone.html
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 5th, 2007, 06:50am

So has there been any word back from Isacc or any of the original photographers since their initial contact?

I've got to say like everyone else here I'm sure - I'm so excited about hearing more info on this!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by LAU on Jul 5th, 2007, 07:00am

> isawaufooverparis, you wrote:
> User Image

It's appears that the piece that looks broken is just a shadow made from the bottom part into the upper part.
Because the pieces have a rounded surface, it seems broken, but it's not.
Grab a ruler and check out the math and you'll see that the separation between the two parts is in the exact place it should be.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by kirog on Jul 5th, 2007, 07:51am

reagarding the CG/Real test.. i got 10 out of 10 on the first test. I think you can easily identify CG graphics, no matter how sophisticated ithey are... thus, I think the Drone photos from Chad are real. Even the artifact photos from Isaac are. There's certain things to look for, and CG is far from perfect... Videos are even easier to identify because even in the greatest blockbuster movies the CG effects, specially their movement, look very poor and not real. That's the reason why I don't like star Wars ep 1-3... even a dummy feels more realistic than CG.

Just my opinion!


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by LangLee on Jul 5th, 2007, 07:56am

From REALITY Uncovered..........

The unwitting agents of the IIA are collectively responsible for completely changing the face of modern UFOlogy. A central meme exists today that has absolutely no basis in reality, yet is accepted as fact by millions around the world. The director of the IIA has successfully hoodwinked not only the average person in the street, but he has also conned those agents working for him into thinking they are carrying out highly important and officially sanctioned work.

Our impending report will, amongst other things;

• Name the man behind the curtain
• Conclusively show how the deception was achieved and maintained
• Explain the purpose of the central meme
• Name the fictional support stories
• Provide a list of agent’s names


What might this mean ?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 07:58am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 01:29am, beenieweenie wrote:
I wondered too - maybe about the Clementine moon mission?

http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/

some sites report that classified photos reveal evidence of an alien moon base rolleyes that's actually what prompted me to start reading about ufos in the past several weeks... fast forward to now, I'm addicted to this site and board, and even got some crazy pictures of my own


I figured it was the moon mapping bit but what pulled them to throw Clementine into the pot. Did they read something that associated Isaac with Clementine and if so, what was it?

.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:04am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 06:50am, Scorpion wrote:
So has there been any word back from Isacc or any of the original photographers since their initial contact?

I've got to say like everyone else here I'm sure - I'm so excited about hearing more info on this!


No, nothing more yet but today is a new day.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by kirog on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:05am

POSTSCRIPTUM

It's the same thing with audio recordings today.. One can easily tell the difference between a ProTools digital recording and an analogue SSL 4000, even a Behringer mixer sounds better than a digital mixdown, I think. It's merely a gut feeling.. but a strong one you can trust. but again, Photographs will not trigger the disclosure... they are poor copies of the real thing, and how can you jugde my credability when I tell you about the wobblers (my topic in the general section) when you know nothing about me? It's the right thing to be skeptic. I mean, I know that I am telling the truth without relevant distortions, but you can't read my mind... You can't even know that the antarctic exists when you have never seen it with your own eyes. It's also just photos and stories.. KNOWING is a decision, nothing more (or less)...
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:13am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 01:02am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I don't associate the FOIA or anything else with what's happening right now. Not the drones and not Isaac. Just another day in the trenches. There's always something going on. I say this because the stance the U.S. is taking is still the same.

It's not just now, everything on this page is old and all of it happened in dribbles when it did happen. This is a daily occurance.


Oh, well sorry to talk about old news smiley It's all still intriguing to me.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:13am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 07:00am, LAU wrote:
It's appears that the piece that looks broken is just a shadow made from the bottom part into the upper part. Because the pieces have a rounded surface, it seems broken, but it's not. Grab a ruler and check out the math and you'll see that the separation between the two parts is in the exact place it should be.


User Image


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:23am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 07:58am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I figured it was the moon mapping bit but what pulled them to throw Clementine into the pot. Did they read something that associated Isaac with Clementine and if so, what was it?

.


someone googled part of the code on the bottom of the drone and the first hit that came up was the clementine page on nasa's website. Just a random coincidence i think personally
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by kirog on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:27am

it's a funny coincidence though.. because the celementine images are the most anomalous images of the moon I know. random Coincidence? hm.. maybe.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by LAU on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:28am

"The Challenge Results
Excellent, a superior performance--ten out of ten answers were correct."


--> Cool, I just found something I'm very good at it! smiley


on Jul 5th, 2007, 03:43am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
I got 9 right answers out of 10 on the first part of the test ! I was wrong on the diamond picture but I didn't look at it long enough.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by 5150 on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:30am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 04:20am, RoH wrote:
Can't remember if this is already been mention in the tread:


Invisible drone

User Image

Quote frome site:
"Can a surveillance drone be made virtually invisible? VeraTech, based in Minnesota, US, thinks so. And patent applications filed by the company explain how."

Link to site: http://www.newscientist.com/blog/invention/2006/10/invisible-drone.html


I want one! The video of the prototype test flight was pretty dang cool. I gotta say, if I was a neighbor nearby and I just saw that thing appear over my house...I'd be on these forums in a heartbeat!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:31am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 01:25am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Where did you get the Clementine thing from? castle4me mentioned Clementine yesterday too. What's that about?


This is what I was referring to yesterday.... see article below with photos of the Chad drone "Tail" Even though the text on the tail looks alien.... one section looked like it could have read (if it was in english) +x yx7+ when the guy googled this it came up with all kinds of sites from the clementine moon project that were clementine moon images in code.

It may just be coincidence... but check out the article
http://earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1271&category=Environment
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by LAU on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:35am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:13am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
User Image



Ah, those look strange indeed !!
You may be right. It looks damaged, but not cracked in the center as most people usualy point out.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:49am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:13am, castles4me wrote:
Oh, well sorry to talk about old news smiley It's all still intriguing to me.


Oh no Castles4me, you talk about anything that comes to your mind because it is all pertinent, simply because there are so many coming in that aren't even familiar with it and need to be since it all pertains. So, I took your post and tried to portray the best I could the many forms of disinformation due to lack of information given where we all got excited and then were let down.

Those in the UK that are present here can say even more in regard to what they got when the UK opened their files. They thought they were getting Disneyland but instead got a mall parking lot fair. What they got they already knew. What they were expecting were government and military explanations and research done by same regarding the incidents over there - over the years.

It also shows a bigger picture on the secrecy within our military regarding UFOs and how much more secretive they are then any other country. Because even though their handing out some things, it's basically what we already knew. I'll always say military and not government because typically when you say government, you're saying politicians. Very few politicians are involved in UFO secrecy and instead this has become the job of military such as the DoD.

Everything you or anyone else states in here, I think about as I read and look at it as, "is there some other item that needs portrayed here that may form a larger picture for many who weren't privy to anything before the Isaac incident?" This is pretty much all of them because they dont' spend day in and day out on the various subjects.

In this case I thought about how easily I could post showing how tight the security is in this country on UFOs based on antics alone because of the obvious government intervention during the Jennings program, amongst other things.

Most do not know those things and just watched the program and thought, "wow, that it was cool". Here they can learn the truth and realize that it was actually a travesty of justice and see the proof that our government has a pretty good handhold on the media.

Ya know, the biggest piece of evidence we could ever have had for the people was that Jennings special because we knew what was going into the program, and then suddenly when it was about to air, it's not in the program. What the people got was simply what the government allowed and nothing more. Unfortunately, what they got was like I said, it was weak in comparison to what they really would have seen.

An analogy would be this, the Isaac report versus a UFO in the sky about the size of a pin and totally unrecognizable.

What all that does is allow the member to see how difficult it would be to acquire any information from the means available to us thus far because they still don't want us to have it.

So I use everything I see in regard to a post that hasn't been mentioned in the thread, however is pertinent in some fashion and bring it forward.

And you said, "Oh, well sorry to talk about old news smiley It's all still intriguing to me".

So you see, there is no such thing as old news. Instead, it's an accumulation that forms a more informed opinion on the subject.

.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:58am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:49am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Those in the UK that are present here can say even more in regard to what they got when the UK opened their files. They thought they were getting Disneyland but instead got a mall parking lot fair. What they got they already knew. What they were expecting were government and military explanations and research done by same regarding the incidents over there - over the years..


In the article about the MOD releasing UFO Files was dated May 5, 07 and that they were going to release the files "in a couple of weeks" Is this the same thing that you are talking about? Or did they also release some things in the past. I saw on a few posts in Disclosure that they have been talking about it for a few years and had released some stuff back when... but this newer article says they are following the lead of French gov who released their files few months back. Can someone tell me what the site is for this newer Ministry of Defence release of files? (yes I am one, like others, who may have not been following all of the details in the past, but now am, so I could be behind the times -- been something I have followed my whole life, but in recent years I haven't kept up with the day to day.)
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:14am

Article from 2005 by Thien Vehl:

"Government whistle-blower and former head of Air Force Project Pounce,
Col. Steve Wilson, told researcher Dr Richard J Boylan that, "the FIRST
SUCCESSFUL U.S. ANTIGRAVITY FLIGHT took place July 18, 1971 at S-4 (on
Nellis Air Force base in Nevada), wherein light bending capabilities
were also demonstrated to obtain total invisibilities.

"Present at this flight were notables such as Admiral (Bobby Ray) Inman
(former National Security Agency director), who is now head of SAIC
(Science Applications International, Incorporated) in San Diego, CA,
which makes the antigravity drives."

I thought everyone would find this kind of interesting.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by LAU on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:16am

What is the current status on the connection between the CARET drone the new transformers movie?

Anyone have seen the movie already?


Q: How/where can I upload pictures into this forum?
Thanks
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:17am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:58am, castles4me wrote:
In the article about the MOD releasing UFO Files was dated May 5, 07 and that they were going to release the files "in a couple of weeks" Is this the same thing that you are talking about? Or did they also release some things in the past. I saw on a few posts in Disclosure that they have been talking about it for a few years and had released some stuff back when... but this newer article says they are following the lead of French gov who released their files few months back. Can someone tell me what the site is for this newer Ministry of Defence release of files? (yes I am one, like others, who may have not been following all of the details in the past, but now am, so I could be behind the times -- been something I have followed my whole life, but in recent years I haven't kept up with the day to day.)


No, I was referring to the items released throught their FOIA in 2005. The dribbles. That's why I mentioned that those here from the UK should comment because they were staying more on top of it.

Try this address first.
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomOfInformation/DisclosureLog/

.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:22am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 07:56am, LangLee wrote:
From REALITY Uncovered..........

The unwitting agents of the IIA are collectively responsible for completely changing the face of modern UFOlogy. A central meme exists today that has absolutely no basis in reality, yet is accepted as fact by millions around the world. The director of the IIA has successfully hoodwinked not only the average person in the street, but he has also conned those agents working for him into thinking they are carrying out highly important and officially sanctioned work.

Our impending report will, amongst other things;

• Name the man behind the curtain
• Conclusively show how the deception was achieved and maintained
• Explain the purpose of the central meme
• Name the fictional support stories
• Provide a list of agent’s names


What might this mean ?


I plead ignorance (also I've only had a half cup of coffee) - what is IIA?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:25am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:16am, LAU wrote:
What is the current status on the connection between the CARET drone the new transformers movie?

Anyone have seen the movie already? Yes, a few have already seen it and commented. No comparison.

Q: How/where can I upload pictures into this forum?
Thanks


DOWNLOADING & UPLOADING PICTURES TO POST
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=tips&action=display&num=1130555583
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:26am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:22am, MarkM wrote:
I plead ignorance (also I've only had a half cup of coffee) - what is IIA?


I don't know off the top of my head what IIA is but what they're talking about Richard Doty and the Serpo story.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by jlc767 on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:27am

What's this so-called Jennings special? How did it pertain to UFO's and the government?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:31am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:22am, MarkM wrote:
I plead ignorance (also I've only had a half cup of coffee) - what is IIA?


Specifically, they're talking about Richard Doty. Here's a paragraph from another website - shy of me having to type with a boo boo on the finger. grin

By the by, RealityUncoverd is that website that is trying to snuff the Serpo thing. Have already for the most part but Serpo was kicked up again about two or three weeks ago.

Quote:
Among these statements was one by Richard Doty, a former Special Agent assigned to the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI), concerning what he directly experienced during his military service, and how this corroborated parts of the Project Serpo story. Doty is among a group of former 'insiders' with access to classified information on UFOs that have come forward to confirm parts of this alleged alien exchange program leaked by up to three anonymous Defense Intelligence Agency personnel (see: www.serpo.org). Doty is the most prominent of these former insiders due to widespread public knowledge of his former position as an AFOSI 'special agent' assigned with dealing with UFO reports from 1979 to 1988.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:41am

U.S. Upset After Aliens Land In Italy

Thursday, July 05, 2007


http://www.theonion.com/content/radio_news/u_s_upset_after_aliens_land




Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Dontdenyme on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:44am

Hello all,

I have been an ATS'er for quite a long time and wanted a wider opinion on the drone matter and i stumbled into you.

The research i have seen is unbelievable and you know what?, you all seem really nice and hospitable, especially you Atrueoriginall and it's good to be here:

Anyhoo I was wondering if this has been posted yet:

User Image

It bears a pretty strong resemblence to our "Alien equipment" don't you think.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Andyp on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:44am

Yeah Peter Jennings seeing is believing with the SETI group (silly effort to investigate) making most of the cuts. angryIt is so damn frustrating I could scream.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:47am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:34am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I pulled this from my post on page 3 I think - responding to Castles4me.

No matter what, it has to be repetitive with pictures if the media is ever to break anything. Local channels pick this stuff up but big networks rarely touch it. Everyone listened to the airline pilot but no pictures - meaningless now.

Typical of Peter Jennings "Seeing Is Believing" program. A good number of people were interviewed for the program. Some for six months before it aired (spending a lot of time doing so) and then there was a change in what was going to be aired during the last couple of weeks, and even the last few days.

Besides that, they left out all the good evidence and left in just about everything that we teeter tawed on ourselves. It was an absolute joke.

The government has a tight control on what flys and what doesn't. Just like they do in their biz. Read this.

GREER ON JENNINGS REPORT
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=disclosure&action=display&num=1179096670

BUD HOPKINS ON JENNINGS REPORT
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1109552969&start=0

This article was done by ABC prior to the program being released.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Primetime/story?id=468496



They both have great impact however certainly don't miss the one from Bud Hopkins. He goes into greater detail in regard to what they had, what he thought they were going to use, why they used what they used instead and why they didn't use what they had.

.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:49am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:44am, Dontdenyme wrote:
http://spacetimenews.com/images/pig.jpg

It bears a pretty strong resemblence to our "Alien equipment" don't you think.


a vague resemblance, sure, but clearly unrelated pieces of hardware

i'd love to see someone dress up one of those pigs to look exactly like the anti grav unit, it would be easier to make one from scratch


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:53am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:44am, Dontdenyme wrote:
Hello all,

I have been an ATS'er for quite a long time and wanted a wider opinion on the drone matter and i stumbled into you.

The research i have seen is unbelievable and you know what?, you all seem really nice and hospitable, especially you Atrueoriginall and it's good to be here:

Anyhoo I was wondering if this has been posted yet:

http://spacetimenews.com/images/pig.jpg

It bears a pretty strong resemblence to our "Alien equipment" don't you think.
smiley

Welcome! Interesting image - someone did a lot of digging to find that. Minor shape similarities thats about it to my eye. I'll bet if we all tried hard enough we could come up with hundreds of items that looked "a bit" like our components. If this were a hoax, looking at the level of complexity behind it, I think I'd have my graphics person design something from scratch, not modeled after something that might be traced and linked. Just my opinion. Thanks for the link - we need to see everything in order to find the answrs.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:54am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:41am, j w wright wrote:
U.S. Upset After Aliens Land In Italy

Thursday, July 05, 2007

http://www.theonion.com/content/radio_news/u_s_upset_after_aliens_land


That was sillyness. rolleyes

Na, not Italy alone, he's got the whole world in his hands.
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Post by j w wright on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:58am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:54am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That was sillyness. rolleyes


ha ha!

but think about it, everyone assumes e.t. will land at the white house... what if first contact happens elsewhere?

like beijing?
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:59am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:44am, Dontdenyme wrote:
Hello all,

I have been an ATS'er for quite a long time and wanted a wider opinion on the drone matter and i stumbled into you.

The research i have seen is unbelievable and you know what?, you all seem really nice and hospitable, especially you Atrueoriginall and it's good to be here:

Anyhoo I was wondering if this has been posted yet:

It bears a pretty strong resemblence to our "Alien equipment" don't you think.


Interesting similarity. Can you tell us who the maker is (manufacturer)?

The only thing that comes to my mind (as far fetched as this will sound) is Isaac's comment on how the DoD wanted to produce items that could have been put into the flow of commerce in order to pay or compensate for some of the costs of Black Projects. Just that circled item alone would have ended up a patent.

Curious as to who mfgr is so I can research such.

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Post by jugement on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:01am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:44am, Dontdenyme wrote:
Hello all,

I have been an ATS'er for quite a long time and wanted a wider opinion on the drone matter and i stumbled into you.

The research i have seen is unbelievable and you know what?, you all seem really nice and hospitable, especially you Atrueoriginall and it's good to be here:

Anyhoo I was wondering if this has been posted yet:

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It bears a pretty strong resemblence to our "Alien equipment" don't you think.
HI, and welcome . I also saw that on the history chanel . IT is also simalir to the drills that are used to drill tunnels for those under ground basis for the military. grin
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:02am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:58am, j w wright wrote:
ha ha!

but think about it, everyone assumes e.t. will land at the white house... what if first contact happens elsewhere?

like beijing?


I thought about that - timing is everything. lol

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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:11am

ah ha! more alien hardware!

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yes, the anti grav unit is obviously a dressed version of one of those, right? proof!

grin
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:24am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:44am, Dontdenyme wrote:
Hello all,

I have been an ATS'er for quite a long time and wanted a wider opinion on the drone matter and i stumbled into you.

The research i have seen is unbelievable and you know what?, you all seem really nice and hospitable, especially you Atrueoriginall and it's good to be here.


Thank you Dontdenyme, we like clean air and don't like to dirty it up with condensending and derogatory comments to members. Consequently, you'll like your visit in here better.

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Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:28am

The pipeline pig = Caret anti grav device....sorry.not even close.

Sort of like comparing a pancake to a DVD.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:32am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:28am, urantia606 wrote:
The pipeline pig vs Caret anti grav device....sorry.not even close.

Sort of like comparing a pancake to a DVD.


LOL, cute.

Just the same, who is to say that some of those parts weren't patented ideas from what the DoD had their hands on? I think we need to check that out - who's the maker?

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Post by hjdelight on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:32am

Other than the general shape, I don't see anything similiar between them. But a big welcome anyway. Keep working on it!

HJK
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:41am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:32am, hjdelight wrote:
Other than the general shape, I don't see anything similiar between them. But a big welcome anyway. Keep working on it!

HJK


I was thinking about checking on the little feet with the pads (circled item in red picture). Timeline on development of that little part. Little things. Little that sometimes turn into big things. I be funny this morning. grin


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Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:43am

the only similarity i see is a general cylindrical shape and one of the paddles shares a vaguely similar shape.

I would be the first to say "that's the same thing, good job"
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Post by GForce on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:43am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:32am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Just the same, who is to say that some of those parts weren't patented ideas from what the DoD had their hands on? I think we need to check that out - who's the maker?

.


I agree ATO. I designed a piece of drilling equipment years ago and we bought and used the same powerhead that one of our rivals did. From them. FYI for those that don't know a powerhead is the motor and gear box combined. So it is possible that some of the same parts could be used on both. I would also like to know who the mfg is? Besides both pancakes and DVDs are flat, round and taste good with some syrup on them. Although a DVD may have more fiber! laugh
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:44am

ATO, you could be very correct. Who knows, many items of alien origin have found their way into mainstream industry.

Just Google Images ' pipeline pig' and you can see the company that makes these things. Many companies make them in all kinds of variations.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:56am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:44am, urantia606 wrote:
ATO, you could be very correct. Who knows, many items of alien origin have found their way into mainstream industry.

Just Google Images ' pipeline pig' and you can see the company that makes these things. Many companies make them in all kinds of variations.


I went into part supply companies (5 of them) but none of the little feet that are protruding off of the pig. I need to know what they're called. I found tons of parts but not that one. Am still looking.

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Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:56am

I think the minor similarities are entirely coincidental. The discs on the "pig" look like cutters of some sort (like little circular saws), not pads as on the "device". If anything, those pads look like headphones!

This pig is bacon in my book smiley
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Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:58am

Are we off on a boar hunt, then wink?!!
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Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:59am

This will be my weirdest post yet.... but bear with me. Last night I awoke at 2:30 am. It was raining outside and I heard the beating of the raindrops but also a more steady rhythmic beating sound. Could have been hail hitting the window, but it was more rhythmic. By the time I became conscious the sound was gone. But immediately in my half asleep half awake state ethereal images went into my head and I saw a disc ufo turned upside down so I could see the underneath circle. Weird images went through my mind -- then I started "hearing" words. I say hearing but it wasn't audible. I just got the words in my head and I HAD to grab a piece of paper and write them all down.

Mind you... I am NOT a scientist. I am very spiritual and intuitive but I am just a regular person. Although I have a very high IQ (135) I did not go to college, and did not take college leve algebra or geometry classes, nor have I studied that field ( had to work, got married etc.) -- I do not know the meaning of almost all of the following words I heard, nor have I really ever heard of them or seen them. Take it for what you will.... call my crazy.... or maybe some of you scientists can figure this out.

(I will list them in order in yellow-- in case that means something) -- I have googled all of them to figure out what they mean --

Co-angular theorem math, geometry, also used in isotropic and orthotropic cylindars researched in hypersonic static ability of aerial flight.

Coaxial Integers math used in microwave and electromagnetic theory

Pythagorean Theorem geometry, three sides of a right triangle

Isosceles Inversion inversion is a geometric transformation (and something about non-expanding mapping?)

(Note -- two different website where I searched for info on the above words both gave me references to Euclidean geometry -- the study of the relationships between angles and distances in space.)

Interplanetary Alignment (self explanatory, I knew what that meant -- planets aligning)

General ASCII (heard of Ascii before of course, but..) ASCII codes represent text in computers, communications equipment, and other devices that work with text. Most modern character encodings — which support many more characters — have a historical basis in ASCII.

Disembodied Protegenes (yes this is how I wrote it down -- when I googled that the first site that came up is:
http://www.usyd.edu.au/baroquescience/Papers/ChenMorris_Keplers_pictorial_language.doc
Which describes Kepler's language - long and kind of weird article, but this sentence and much more was there: Their attempt was to reshuffle the new pictorial means (such as perspective) in order to form a scientific language, constituted from visible signs, that not only represent human knowledge and the physical world, but could also affect physical processes. This really reminds me of the description Isaac gave of the Linguistics

Binary Interdisciplinary Protocal computational algebraic software

Computational Matrixes matrix is linear algebra, study of linear transformation between two vector spaces, and I saw it on one website describing new techno called light-based computing -- visible light frequencies are used as computational surrogates for values in computational platform

Norwegian Infrared Technologies (yes this is what I "heard" and wrote it down lol) Infrared technology in Norway started at the Norwegian Defense Research Establishment (FFI) in the 1960s, and has since then spread to universities, other research institutes and industry. FFI has a large, integrated IR activity that includes research and development in IR detectors, optics design, optical coatings, advanced dewar design, modelling/simulation of IR scenes, and image analysis. Part of the integrated activity is a laboratory for more basic research in materials science and semiconductor physics, in which thin films of CdHgTe are grown by molecular beam epitaxy and processed into IR detectors by various techniques. FFI also has a lot of experience in research and development of tunable infrared lasers for various applications. Norwegian industrial activities include production of infrared homing anti-ship missiles, laser rangefinders, various infrared gas sensors, hyperspectral cameras, and fiberoptic sensor systems for structural health monitoring and offshore oil well diagnostics.

YES... weird post..... did I have a clue as to what any of that meant before I researched it this am?? NO. In fact, I was shocked that anything that I wrote down was actually something real. Not only was it all real, it is all correlated. This may or may not be related to the drones/and or Isaac, it could be just for the discoidal UFO's in general... either way, let me know what you think.
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Post by Dontdenyme on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:04am

I'm not saying that Isaac's photographs are the actual drills themselves.

I think the real image or something similair to it has inspired Isaac to create what we are seeing today. As the poster says it looks like he has used a basic drill render then added bit's on to it to make it look more interesting using his 3d Rendering software of choice.

If you were going to create a fake you would have to start somewhere wouldn't you? I'm willing to bet a large sum of money that our real Isaac works with these Pig pipes in real life (Maybe in a design capacity?) in his normal job, hence the inspiration for the drone parts.

Atrueoriginall...Well said but surely i have no idea what you are talking about wink
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:05am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:58am, MarkM wrote:
Are we off on a boar hunt, then wink?!!


Maybe but don't bother, I'll do it.

I found this but the page was removed by the History Channel. Was this the story you saw? If so, I might be able to find it another way.

Modern Marvels - The Alaskan Oil Pipeline.
Search Modern Marvels Episode: The Alaskan Oil Pipeline.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:08am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:59am, castles4me wrote:
This will be my weirdest post yet.... but bear with me. Last night I awoke at 2:30 am. It was raining outside and I heard the beating of the raindrops but also a more steady rhythmic beating sound. Could have been hail hitting the window, but it was more rhythmic. By the time I became conscious the sound was gone. But immediately in my half asleep half awake state ethereal images went into my head and I saw a disc ufo turned upside down so I could see the underneath circle. Weird images went through my mind -- then I started "hearing" words. I say hearing but it wasn't audible. I just got the words in my head and I HAD to grab a piece of paper and write them all down.


Ewwwww, sounds real family. I'll finish reading the rest now. grin grin


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Post by j w wright on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:08am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:59am, castles4me wrote:
This will be my weirdest post yet.... but bear with me.


did you fall asleep with the telly on?

pbs often runs programs on these topics after midnight

maybe the sleep timer woke you?
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Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:12am

Not weird. Years ago - long before any of this - I "heard" Max Planck. Quantum theory is one of the keys here.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1918/planck-bio.html

On a note about "weirdness". All norms are suspended when it comes to understanding this.

Let's not apologize or try to rationalize this knowledge process. While those who are more hard core science oriented may be inclined to dismiss this whole topic of how information is received, I ask that they at least keep an open mind.

We've already acknowledged that ET is way beyond us in terms of methods of communication. If telepathy IS their method, then no doubt there are humans capable of receiving this information. Where does inspiration come from?

Our brain rhythms are altered in sleep. Perhaps, when shifted to a different "channel" or wavelength, we're able to pick up more chatter.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:12am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:08am, j w wright wrote:
did you fall asleep with the telly on?

pbs often runs programs on these topics after midnight

maybe the sleep timer woke you?


no, I was exhausted... was the last thing I wanted to be doing... but I kept having to grab the frickin piece of paper... and write these words down.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:19am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 09:44am, Andyp wrote:
Yeah Peter Jennings seeing is believing with the SETI group (silly effort to investigate) making most of the cuts. angryIt is so damn frustrating I could scream.


Yeah, they made SETI all high and mighty and SETI had nothing to offer ABC and never had.

Oh yeah, that helped our trek. NOT!
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Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:19am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:12am, castles4me wrote:
no, I was exhausted... was the last thing I wanted to be doing... but I kept having to grab the frickin piece of paper... and write these words down.


Been there, done that. Wrote a whole article once based on notes written on anything in the car I could scribble on while commuting on the Maine Turnpike. To this day I read it and shake my head - no idea where it came from. This was about 20 years ago. It was called "The Matrix" - long before the movie - all about how the double helix is the blueprint for far more than human DNA.

If anyone wants it, send me your email.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:27am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:59am, castles4me wrote:
(I will list them in order in yellow-- in case that means something) -- I have googled all of them to figure out what they mean --

Co-angular theorem math, geometry, also used in isotropic and orthotropic cylindars researched in hypersonic static ability of aerial flight.

Coaxial Integers math used in microwave and electromagnetic theory

Pythagorean Theorem geometry, three sides of a right triangle

Isosceles Inversion inversion is a geometric transformation (and something about non-expanding mapping?)

(Note -- two different website where I searched for info on the above words both gave me references to Euclidean geometry -- the study of the relationships between angles and distances in space.)

Interplanetary Alignment (self explanatory, I knew what that meant -- planets aligning)

General ASCII ASCII codes represent text in computers, communications equipment, and other devices that work with text. Most modern character encodings — which support many more characters — have a historical basis in ASCII.

Disembodied Protegenes (yes this is how I wrote it down -- when I googled that the first site that came up is:
http://www.usyd.edu.au/baroquescience/Papers/ChenMorris_Keplers_pictorial_language.doc
Which describes Kepler's language - long and kind of weird article, but this sentenc ane much more was there: Their attempt was to reshuffle the new pictorial means (such as perspective) in order to form a scientific language, constituted from visible signs, that not only represent human knowledge and the physical world, but could also affect physical processes. Isaac's Linguistics??

Binary Interdisciplinary Protocal computational algebraic software

Computational Matrixes matrix is linear algebra, study of linear transformation between two vector spaces, and I saw it on one website describing new techno called light-based computing -- visible light frequencies are used as computational surrogates for values in computational platform

Norwegian Infrared Technologies (yes this is what I "heard" and wrote it down lol) Infrared technology in Norway started at the Norwegian Defense Research Establishment (FFI) in the 1960s, and has since then spread to universities, other research institutes and industry. FFI has a large, integrated IR activity that includes research and development in IR detectors, optics design, optical coatings, advanced dewar design, modelling/simulation of IR scenes, and image analysis. Part of the integrated activity is a laboratory for more basic research in materials science and semiconductor physics, in which thin films of CdHgTe are grown by molecular beam epitaxy and processed into IR detectors by various techniques. FFI also has a lot of experience in research and development of tunable infrared lasers for various applications. Norwegian industrial activities include production of infrared homing anti-ship missiles, laser rangefinders, various infrared gas sensors, hyperspectral cameras, and fiberoptic sensor systems for structural health monitoring and offshore oil well diagnostics.

YES... weird post..... did I have a clue as to what any of that meant before I researched it this am?? NO.


Not a weird post whatsoever. This is exactly what I go through day in and day out.

It looks to me that some in your midst called in the troops to help you out with what it is you've been researching here in the forum over the past week or so.

As well, I imagine they're even assisting you (if just subliminally, like they do me) in your searches on the above in yellow.

They work while you're in REM sleep, which is exactly where you were.

You very well could possibly have more here then anyone on the whole Internet. The problem you have however is something I deal with everyday and have done so for over 10 years. Nobody will believe you. For the majority, what we're talking about is too "out there" for them to believe or even try to believe.

Oh, except for me of course since I experience identical things, just different.

Mark will also I think. He's open-minded enough certainly and has had experiences with synchronicity himself.

Actually, I think Urantia will as well understand what you're saying here and know your experiences.

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Post by hjdelight on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:36am

Are we off on a boar hunt, then ?!!

Whatever you do, don't mention guns!!!!! It gets you in trouble.

That's not a weird post. There's been many many times that my subconscious has solved problems for me while I slept. It's much brighter than I am and I never argue with it.

HJ
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:40am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:36am, hjdelight wrote:
Are we off on a boar hunt, then ?!!

Whatever you do, don't mention guns!!!!! It gets you in trouble.


LOL! Photographic safari then wink!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by LAU on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:40am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:59am, castles4me wrote:
Co-angular theorem
Coaxial Integers
Pythagorean Theorem
Isosceles Inversion
Interplanetary Alignment
General ASCII
Disembodied Protegenes
Binary Interdisciplinary Protocol
Computational Matrixes
Norwegian Infrared Technologies


Hum... very interesting!
Would you accept an invitation to be dissected by the governement best professionals in the field? grin
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Now seriously... I'm usually reluctant to accept these things people came up with in their dreams (or almost), but in this case I have to point out that, if true, these frases sound like THE 10 COMMANDMENTS of technologies to pursue in the future.

I wonder if some entity out there selected you for your capabilities (intelect+intuition) and sent you a scientific message?

Let's not forget there are a few races out there, and that they may be fighting, or not agree among them on "what to do with earth" and the human beings.
Maybe some race that knows that other race (ex the grays) have no good intentions for earth.
That race might be doing undercover work, trying to help evolution of our technology in subtle ways (lucid dreams) - ways the grays would not detect.

Oh forget it ... that's from a sci-fi movie grin
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:42am



OFF-TOPIC but not

We have a new Global Moderator for the UFO Casebook. Please check out the following.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=tips&action=display&num=1183604059

Furthermore, Global Moderator Creolelady has returned from her vacation. She missed the whole Isaac thing and is playing catch up as I type.



Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by PsychoChick on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:42am

Anyone else having problem with this site today than me? I keep getting messages that there is a problem with the server. Maybe it's AOL. huh

BYW, the dream thing doesn't sound strange to me. I had something simular but on a much minor level with a craft in my dream and I was told to "check the I-Beam." At that time I had no idea what an I-Beam was. All, I know is it was important.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:45am

You all have probably heard about this before.

But when I was in the Navy ( 1966-70) there was a sign on the bulkhead of the bridge (wheelhouse) of my ship that read:


"If you see this (drawing of UFO) report it immediately to the Officer of the Deck"


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:48am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:45am, urantia606 wrote:
You all have probably heard about this before.

But when I was in the Navy ( 1966-70) there was a sign on the bulkhead of the bridge (wheelhouse) of my ship that read:

"If you see this (drawing of UFO) report it immediately to the Officer of the Deck"


I don't get it. I think I get it but could you clarify a little.

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Post by Fencesitter on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:09pm

Hello all. I've been lurking your forms unregistered for a number of days, and thought I'd like to chime in on a few things.

First, the Pipeline Pig comparison make by Razimus (not the poster here, but the one who came up with the graphic) is haughty and ignorant. The two devices, real or imaginary, bear some similarity in physical appearance, but there is no reasonable case to propose that they are based on the same 3D model, one being a 'dressed up' version of the other. With a 3D model, every curve, protrusion and detail is generated ex nihilo. It is conceivable that (if the green A1 unit is a hoaxed 3D model) it was influenced by the likeness of the Pipeline Pig, but with a blank slate in front of them, the designer would have necessariy generated the entire model from scratch and this was not a case of someone simply modifying an existing 3D data set for the device shown.

Secondly, I'm wondering if there has been a true expert analysis of the photographic evidence to date. I'm not talking about someone who 'works with Photoshop everyday' (I've been in that boat myself), but a career expert in photo forensics and examination. We've heard both yeas and nays from career photo editors - so no real direction here yet. Some manipulation is so good that even the best are fooled, but expert opinion is at least more weight in one direction or the other.

Thirdly (finally!) I've poured over the printed matter from our deep-throat Isaac, as well as his own writing, and would suggest very strongly that the two bodies of text are from different hands and brains. The (real or fabriced) PACL text is composed by a skilled and experienced manual writer, also someone who I would suspect has a good deal of exposure to high-level business or perhaps military process. The wording, motivation and pace of the writing is consistent with upper-management mindset and clarity in a product and process oriented environment. The writing style of Isaac is quite dramatically different, and lacks the thought cohesion and factual progression of the other document. I would imagine it difficult that the same person could change styles so completely to create both documents for the purpose of a ruse - dialogue writers encounter this problem in trying to generate realistic and disparate personalities... it's not easy, but not impossible, either. At any rate, there is a great deal of expertise involved no matter how you slice it.

By far the most intriguing component of this body of evidence in my mind is the PACL materials combined with the letter from Isaac. If fabricated, the author has born a new, imaginative, and believable mythology that will certainly form the foundation for other fictional works from other sources. I see no contradiction between the two works, and on the contrary, they compliment each other in painting the picture of an intelligent root technology, which gives credence to both documents. I wouldn't dare say the whole thing is fake or real - but it is certainly expert in origin...

Sorry for the protracted post, but it *is* quite a big topic. It will be interesting to see how all of this pans out!


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Post by Latitude on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:10pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 08:04am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
on Today at 04:50:10, Scorpion wrote: Quote:
So has there been any word back from Isacc or any of the original photographers since their initial contact?

I've got to say like everyone else here I'm sure - I'm so excited about hearing more info on this!


No, nothing more yet but today is a new day.


It seems that LMH is on vacation? That's fine, she deserves it. But I'd sure like it if she made the hi-res Ty photos available. ATO, have you heard anything on the status of those?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:15pm

So what happened with the Todd E Schwartz connection?

The Todd connection is the biggest lead we've had during this whole drone fiasco and I can't believe no progress has been made here.

Someone claimed to have had some communication with this guy, have there been any further developments there? This should have way more priority than any CGI analysis, lexical analysis, typographic analysis or spiritual guidance analysis!

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:16pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:09pm, Fencesitter wrote:
Thirdly (finally!) I've poured over the printed matter from our deep-throat Isaac, as well as his own writing, and would suggest very strongly that the two bodies of text are from different hands and brains. The (real or fabriced) PACL text is composed by a skilled and experienced manual writer, also someone who I would suspect has a good deal of exposure to high-level business or perhaps military process. The wording, motivation and pace of the writing is consistent with upper-management mindset and clarity in a product and process oriented environment. The writing style of Isaac is quite dramatically different, and lacks the thought cohesion and factual progression of the other document. I would imagine it difficult that the same person could change styles so completely to create both documents for the purpose of a ruse - dialogue writers encounter this problem in trying to generate realistic and disparate personalities... it's not easy, but not impossible, either. At any rate, there is a great deal of expertise involved no matter how you slice it.


I too found the report to be a professional piece of work prepared by a manual writer however, am guilty of not thinking about comparing Isaac's letter with the report. Maybe unconsciously, I already knew they were different. Good points though because if so (if they were both written in Isaac's hand) we would not only have a hoax, we would only have one person. Instead we have two, Isaac and the manuel preparer (writer).

Quote:
Sorry for the protracted post, but it *is* quite a big topic. It will be interesting to see how all of this pans out!


Dear, as important as this is to so many people, no need to ever say sorry.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:22pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:15pm, StayFocused wrote:
So what happened with the Todd E Schwartz connection?

The Todd connection is the biggest lead we've had during this whole drone fiasco and I can't believe no progress has been made here.

Someone claimed to have had some communication with this guy, have there been any further developments there? This should have way more priority than any CGI analysis, lexical analysis, typographic analysis or spiritual guidance analysis!


As it stands, still possibly his attorney who was made privy to his (Isaac's) intentions before he presented it to Coast to Coast.

These are not bad assumptions. The only problem is that the Go Daddy (original date of said website) was changed yesterday. Whereas it stated June 6th or 7th, it now says June 28th. Obviously the attorney has been hit on (phone calls probably) from various people in the UFO Community and had asked Go Daddy to rememdy this by removing his name and associations with that website.

We have in here a copy/paste from that website page before the changes were made. They most definitely changed the page description by removing certain things. It's somewhere in thread #1 between the 70's and the 90's I believe.

to be honest with you, I think the attorney is being bombarded. I wouldn't want to be another one to do so and, if anything they probably have a standard issue comment on client confidentiality.

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Post by j w wright on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:23pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:09pm, Fencesitter wrote:
I've poured over the printed matter from our deep-throat Isaac, as well as his own writing, and would suggest very strongly that the two bodies of text are from different hands and brains.


when i write technical copy, for instruction and communication, the style is far different from my correspondence writing, its much more informal and far less structured... meandering and pondering are words that spring to mind

but my technical writing is concise and to the point, relying heavily on brevity

just offering some perpective, welcome to the board
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Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:28pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:15pm, StayFocused wrote:
So what happened with the Todd E Schwartz connection?

The Todd connection is the biggest lead we've had during this whole drone fiasco and I can't believe no progress has been made here.

Someone claimed to have had some communication with this guy, have there been any further developments there? This should have way more priority than any CGI analysis, lexical analysis, typographic analysis or spiritual guidance analysis!


Don't we have a copy of hos reply in here someplace? I think it was on the French site and then we got a translation.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:30pm

"but it is certainly expert in origin...'

Fact or fiction, that's certainly true!

Welcome!
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Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:37pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:22pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
to be honest with you, I think the attorney is being bombarded. I wouldn't want to be another one to do so and, if anything they probably have a standard issue comment on client confidentiality.


Yeah, I'm sure he is - I almost feel sorry for the guy but he did make a pretty stupid mistake. But how about those that have bombarded him already. Does anybody have any further info from here or other forums?

All I could find was this supposed email from Todd posted by Urantia (I think):


Here is the correct translation of Todd Schwartz email:

Hello

I've been on the road so I have not been able to stay on top of the
Isaac phenom. May I ask which boards you have been discussing the
isaaccaret.com issue?


I'm interested in getting the information out in an efficient and rapid
manner. I was surprised Isaac used a fortunecity.com subdomain. I
have registered the domain to ensure it will be put to good use.


I'm open to any suggestions. BTW you are the first to contact me with
the exception of one individual who thought I was Isaac. LOL
Cordially


What does this email mean? Is it authentic? Does it make any sense in the context of Isaac's claims?

Let's assume that Mr Schwartz is representing the real Isaac and this is not a hoax. Why would the attorney be setting up the website for Isaac? What services would an *investment* attorney be providing for a guy that is revealing top secret information? Doesn't make much sense to me.





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Post by Fencesitter on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:37pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:23pm, j w wright wrote:
when i write technical copy, for instruction and communication, the style is far different from my correspondence writing, its much more informal and far less structured... meandering and pondering are words that spring to mind


Agreed, but I bet you don't just turn off your brain or your ability to write cohesively, regardless of what you're composing. I'd wager that you read and reread your posts before you hit 'send', making sure you've at least communicated your thoughts clearly, regardless of the tone or topic.

This is my fault for not communicating my own thoughts clearly - I intended to point out that an expert writer (like the one who penned the debated PACL docs) would have done a different job on the informal 'exposee' from Isaac. The tambre and all would of course vary, but I suspect a fabricated 'memoir' from the same hand to be more polished (and for them to at least use a spell checker!).

If fabricated, every detail so far of the ruse is professional - done by a perfectionist (or group thereof). I can't imagine they would 'slack off' on the piece that they probably knew would garner the most attention...
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:44pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:37pm, StayFocused wrote:
Here is the correct translation of Todd Schwartz email:

Hello

I've been on the road so I have not been able to stay on top of the
Isaac phenom. May I ask which boards you have been discussing the
isaaccaret.com issue?


I'm interested in getting the information out in an efficient and rapid
manner. I was surprised Isaac used a fortunecity.com subdomain. I
have registered the domain to ensure it will be put to good use.


I'm open to any suggestions. BTW you are the first to contact me with
the exception of one individual who thought I was Isaac. LOL
Cordially


What does this email mean? Is it authentic? Does it make any sense in the context of Isaac's claims?

Let's assume that Mr Schwartz is representing the real Isaac and this is not a hoax. Why would the attorney be setting up the website for Isaac? What services would an *investment* attorney be providing for a guy that is revealing top secret information? Doesn't make much sense to me.


I hadn't seen this. It's authenticity is shaky because Schwartz, being an attorney already knows that Isaac wants to do this on the sly, isn't going to jump out there and admit to being a part of anything. I wouldn't if I was Isaac's attorney. That's lethal because if he really did, he'd get more then phone calls. Tons would be knocking on his door.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:46pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:28pm, MarkM wrote:
Don't we have a copy of hos reply in here someplace? I think it was on the French site and then we got a translation.


Yeah we have a copy but I'm not digging. It's between pages 70 and 95 probably.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:50pm



We're now a go on the information Castles4me posted. It's located the following address.

Again, let me remind you that there will be no skepticim in there regarding how she got the information but only what the information means in respect to Isaac's information he supplied.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183141379
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Post by j w wright on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:54pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:37pm, Fencesitter wrote:
I'd wager that you read and reread your posts before you hit 'send', making sure you've at least communicated your thoughts clearly, regardless of the tone or topic


nah, i just preview it and look at spelling (often futiley), as fast as it pops into my head, it appears in text...

my gut feeling (i hope its not my wishful thinking...) is that our isaac may be genuine

i think the next handful of documented sightings will be very telling, although it may be possible that sightings will dry up completely for decades

if the operators have been sloppy enough for all this recent witnessing, they may now tighten up their act... no more drone sightings

whatever became of that image of the drone with the 'lander'?
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Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:58pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:46pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Yeah we have a copy but I'm not digging. It's between pages 70 and 95 probably.


If there's a "smoking gun" in this whole drone case then Todd is it. The investigation should be focused on this lead.

Here's what I could find on the Open Minds Forum:


>>From: "Todd Schwartz"
Subject: RE: isaaccaret.com question
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:54:58 -0700
To: "OnThe Fence" <onthefence55@yahoo.com>


Hello

I've been on the road so I have not been able to stay on top of the
Isaac phenom. May I ask which boards you have been discussing the
isaaccaret.com issue?

I'm interested in getting the information out in an efficient and rapid
manner. I was surprised Isaac used a fortunecity.com subdomain. I
have registered the domain to ensure it will be put to good use.<<<

What information does he want to get out? How did know about the release of the documents by Issac so fast ? He must be aware of these boards if he was clued up on the Issac material being released immediately. He could be capitalising on the Issac phenon as he calls it.. And he could be soliciting (for lack of a better word) everyone doing his research and creative material by asking for suggestions.. ie: material to post regarding the drones..?

Or he could be putting something more cryptic up, like I have other material to post regarding this from a mysterious client.. any suggestions? Yeah... hire a web master duh!!!

I dunno... his response really has me thinking he is just trying to suck up what he can about the drone thing and make web site out of it.. But! No that doesn't make sense either.

Why would a lawyer in a prosperous industry who seems fairly properous in his career decide to create a side job for himself in publishing a web site related to something as main stream off putting as the drone issue.. It doesn't make sense. He puts his reputation at risk in the general no nonsense community for what?? Doesn't add up in my book.

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Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:59pm

I was walking on the beach the other day, as I do everyday (I tend to think better near water), and as I watched the gulls interact, I thought ...

Animals must communicate telepathically. Not a new thought, I know. But, consider this - telepathy may well be an ability that we humans evolved out of once we replaced it with something else.

Early man communicated with grunts and hand gestures. Then he discovered writing with a stick and started to assign symbols to his thoughts. The history of written communication over the ages is fascinating.

It wasn't that long ago when people actually wrote letters! Then came the typewriter, the word processor, and the computer. Technology augmented - and in many ways replaced - human skills. It's been so long since I've written much long hand that when I actually have to write on a greeting card - God forbid more than just a line or two - even I can't read my writing!

What's the next step in this progression? And the one after that?

It's conceivable then, as seems to be the case with ET, that telepathy is the communication of the future. Will our bodies then adapt to this new condition? What need would we have for ears or a mouth - a larger brain will do just fine. Is that starting to sound like a familiar image?

S1, gut feeling only - is based on a "technology" that we might not be able to grasp (without assistance) for a very long time.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:01pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:58pm, StayFocused wrote:
If there's a "smoking gun" in this whole drone case then Todd is it. The investigation should be focused on this lead.


Yup!
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:06pm

1. ATO...yes, I posted the correct translation of the Schwartz email. I feel that Todd may be trying to hide something. He appears to know nothing and in the next sentence he appears to know 'something' about Issac. I ask you, "Mr Schwartz, fess up dude".

2. Ref: my post #111. the sign I refer to was mounted on the bulkhead (wall) of the Bridge of the ship. It was by the window at about eye level. It was, if I remember, made of etched brass. It was about 5" x 4" and was attached with four screws. I came back to the ship several years later and it was still there, but from what I hear they no longer are on Navy ships.

Not sure about the word 'immediately', though.. If I can locate a photo of it I will post it.

It said, "If you see this (drawing of typical UFO) report it to the Deck Officer immediately".
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:10pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:58pm, StayFocused wrote:
If there's a "smoking gun" in this whole drone case then Todd is it. The investigation should be focused on this lead.

Here's what I could find on the Open Minds Forum:


>>From: "Todd Schwartz"
Subject: RE: isaaccaret.com question
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:54:58 -0700
To: "OnThe Fence" <onthefence55@yahoo.com>


Hello

I've been on the road so I have not been able to stay on top of the
Isaac phenom. May I ask which boards you have been discussing the
isaaccaret.com issue?

I'm interested in getting the information out in an efficient and rapid
manner. I was surprised Isaac used a fortunecity.com subdomain. I
have registered the domain to ensure it will be put to good use.<<<

What information does he want to get out? How did know about the release of the documents by Issac so fast ? He must be aware of these boards if he was clued up on the Issac material being released immediately. He could be capitalising on the Issac phenon as he calls it.. And he could be soliciting (for lack of a better word) everyone doing his research and creative material by asking for suggestions.. ie: material to post regarding the drones..?

Or he could be putting something more cryptic up, like I have other material to post regarding this from a mysterious client.. any suggestions? Yeah... hire a web master duh!!!

I dunno... his response really has me thinking he is just trying to suck up what he can about the drone thing and make web site out of it.. But! No that doesn't make sense either.

Why would a lawyer in a prosperous industry who seems fairly properous in his career decide to create a side job for himself in publishing a web site related to something as main stream off putting as the drone issue.. It doesn't make sense. He puts his reputation at risk in the general no nonsense community for what?? Doesn't add up in my book.

You didn't find the whole mail which is here http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=cali1&thread=1183330416&page=8#1183431291
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Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:14pm

To me the most important thing is what he didn't say ' "Who the heck is Isaac and whatever are you talking about? This is a law firm for goodness sake!"

Only not in such polite terms smiley
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:23pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:58pm, StayFocused wrote:
>>From: "Todd Schwartz"
Subject: RE: isaaccaret.com question
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:54:58 -0700
To: "OnThe Fence" <onthefence55@yahoo.com>

Hello

I've been on the road so I have not been able to stay on top of the
Isaac phenom. May I ask which boards you have been discussing the
isaaccaret.com issue?


Why would he ask which boards? I'm going to throw in my thoughts here.

First of all it was his first question so this is the most important question that comes to his mind. Assuming that OnThe Fence mentioned that he picked it up in OMF, Todd already knew that it had hit the forums. But, he's interested now in knowing (which boards?) plural. Something's bothering him and I think it's the plural aspect. I'm just using some basic psychology here.

Quote:
I'm interested in getting the information out in an efficient and rapid manner.


Well, I can tell you now that this is not Isaac because Isaac wouldn't have come up with a question like this if you think about it. This is instead, a very uninformed attorney who has not been paying attention to what his client has been up to over the last 8 or 9 days.

Quote:
I was surprised Isaac used a fortunecity.com subdomain. I have registered the domain to ensure it will be put to good use.


Again, the attorney is guilty of not paying attention to this client of his, but more importantly it sounds as if he had no clue that Isaac was ready to produce documents that once belonged to a secret entity of the U.S. Government, which obviously could put someone in prison. At least probation.

Or, the email is a fraud and who ever wrote it is pulling our leg. But, I know who onthefence is and I can't picture that individual producing disinformation on Todd Schwartz so there's some confusion there.

Quote:
What information does he want to get out?


LOL, now the attorney appears to be asleep on the job. Either that or Isaac and himself have only thus far had conversations about what type of domain he should use in order to present what he had to Coast to Coast. Then again, maybe this is why the domain dates have been changed and Todd Schwartz's name removed because of "onthefence's" email.

Isaac at some point realized that Todd had messed up and that Todd's name and address would have been available and a source used to locate Isaac eventually. This is why Isaac took it upon himself to use the Fortunecity site and I think he did it without Todd's knowledge. Good thing he did but, Isaac didn't think either and should have changed his moniker to something other then Isaac because we found the other website at Go Daddy anyway. Maybe he just thought we would keep Isaac because it appeared that the GoDaddy site was completely abandoned.


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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:28pm



I can safely say that Todd and Isaac have been on the phone since onthefence emailed Todd.
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Post by Fencesitter on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:32pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:54pm, j w wright wrote:
my gut feeling (i hope its not my wishful thinking...) is that our isaac may be genuine


I hate to admit it (to myself) but I have the same gut feeling about Isaac, JW.

Some of the arial photos and whatnot may be proven fake... unless we have some way of connecting them to a central source, all that does is take them out of the mix of evidence to be examined. It *heuristically* casts some doubt on the whole thing, but from a logic perspective, proving that "P=False" categorically implies nothing about unrelated statements Q, R and S, unless they are logically connected in some way, which has not been demonstrated at this point.

Taking our Deep-throat's debut and materials in a bubble, he makes a pretty good case... It's sad (and I suppose intriguing) that as a society or species in general we need to go through such pains to decide if someone is telling the truth or not.
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Post by jugement on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:33pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:05am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Maybe but don't bother, I'll do it.

I found this but the page was removed by the History Channel. Was this the story you saw? If so, I might be able to find it another way.

Modern Marvels - The Alaskan Oil Pipeline.
Search Modern Marvels Episode: The Alaskan Oil Pipeline.
that mite be it ,saw it about 3 weeks to a month ago. wink
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Post by Latitude on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:42pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:01pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Yup!


This whole Todd Schwartz subject has me scratching my head. My question is what is the nature of this smoking gun that has been mentioned? In other words, what is the suspicion here?

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Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:46pm

The Todd email sounds a little fake to me.... but not for sure. I dont think a lawyer would be that forthright with personal information about a client or admit to anything in writing with the first stranger that emailed. He is a lawyer, they are trained to avoid stupid mistakes like that.
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Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:56pm

And why would an investment lawyer take on a client like Isaac? According to Todd Schwartz's company website they:

"Specialize in managing the daunting array of legal and compliance issues facing today's financial professional."

http://www.csb-llc.com

More info on Mr Schwartz
http://pview.findlaw.com/view/3197977_1?noconfirm=0
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Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:58pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:28pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I can safely say that Todd and Isaac have been on the phone since onthefence emailed Todd.


Care to elaborate? This is pretty important information. Who have they spoken to? Was any useful information divulged?

If this is true, then it's nice to know they're still alive. I would have thought the MIB would have taken them out to the desert by now if this whole thing was true...
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Post by Miscreant on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:03pm

If Isaac is real, and what he presented was truth, why hasn't he responded to the people questioning his authenticity?

It makes no sense that an attorney is the "holder" of the URL/Webhosting for Isaac, unless he is a close personal friend, and perhaps he is helping to hide Isaac from the MIBs and other black government agencies.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:05pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:32pm, Fencesitter wrote:
Taking our Deep-throat's debut and materials in a bubble, he makes a pretty good case... It's sad (and I suppose intriguing) that as a society or species in general we need to go through such pains to decide if someone is telling the truth or not.


Tell ME about it. That's why we need interviews like the ones Linda got on the Maxwell AFB guy and Shirley. You can tell by listening that their not lieing.

We need that for Isaac because the voice is proof in the pudding. (As long as he's not a professional liar certainly, but even then he would be tripped up with a lengthy interview such as both Shirley's and the Maxwell AFB guy).


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:07pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:42pm, Latitude wrote:
This whole Todd Schwartz subject has me scratching my head. My question is what is the nature of this smoking gun that has been mentioned? In other words, what is the suspicion here?


Latitude, lol don't make us repost. Read back two to three pages. New stuff.
.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:07pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:46pm, castles4me wrote:
The Todd email sounds a little fake to me.... but not for sure. I dont think a lawyer would be that forthright with personal information about a client or admit to anything in writing with the first stranger that emailed. He is a lawyer, they are trained to avoid stupid mistakes like that.


Yep, first and foremost.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:08pm

Re: Schwartz email

Our Mr. Schwartz KNOWS Isaac.

Especially when he says that he didn't know 'that Isaac had posted his info on FortuneCity.com'.

Scenario:

Schwartz sets up .com site for his friend Issac.

Schwartz goes on vacation and Isaac realizes that he or the attorney can be traced to the .com site, so then Isaac sets up another site (with the help of someone at the Law Office...who knows nothing of this and could care less) at FortuneCity whilst Schwartz is on vacation.

The law clerk does this, not realizing that the FC site
can be traced to the attorney friend (who probably paid for it).

Schwartz comes back from vacation and the world is calling him about Isaac and he tries to erase the history of the .com site.

Schwartz then realizes that he up to his eyeballs in this and tries to make light of this in his email with a cheery LOL.

What a web we weave.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:09pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:56pm, StayFocused wrote:
And why would an investment lawyer take on a client like Isaac? According to Todd Schwartz's company website they:

"Specialize in managing the daunting array of legal and compliance issues facing today's financial professional."

http://www.csb-llc.com

More info on Mr Schwartz
http://pview.findlaw.com/view/3197977_1?noconfirm=0


Todd was already probably his attorney on another matter - such as a new business. Did we think about checking out all of their clients businesses and what they're into. Any of it sound like Isaac's past employment or college degrees.

Never mind. Isaac could have done something as simple as purchased an apartment complex along with other investors. Common place today and such things require an attorney such as Todd. We would never be able to figure that out.


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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:18pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:08pm, urantia606 wrote:
Re: Schwartz email

Our Mr. Schwartz KNOWS Isaac.

Especially when he says that he didn't know 'that Isaac had posted his info on FortuneCity.com'.

Scenario:

Schwartz sets up .com site for his friend Issac.

Schwartz goes on vacation and Isaac realizes that he or the attorney can be traced to the .com site, so then Isaac sets up another site at FortuneCity whilst Schwartz is on vacation.

Isaac does this, not realizing that the FC site and can be traced to his attorney friend.

Schwartz comes back from vacation and the world is calling him about Isaac and he tries to erase the history of the .com site.

Schwartz then realizes that he up to his eyeballs in this and tries to make light of this in his email with a cheery LOL.

What a web we weave.


You left this out...........

Schwartz immediately receives thousands of emails and his service that takes calls while the office is closed has asked him to consider changing services.

Schwartz gets on the phone to Isaac and says "what the hell were you doing while I was on vacation".

Isaac says, "well, I didn't know that this would actual happen like it did" but, while you were away..............

LOL
.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by WT on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:22pm

Quote:
CARET LANGUAGE SHOULD NOT BE LINKABLE TO ANY HUMAN ALPHABET OR LANUAGE. BUT IT IS LINKABLE TO CLEMENTINE (CLEVER GAME HERE)...SO..IT MIGHT BE THAT IN THE CLEMENTINE REFERENCES IS THE HOME OF OUR ET. HA!


What about the Clementine scripting language. It's used to design neural networks. I've never worked with it but maybe someone in here?

http://www.nbs.ntu.edu.sg/userguide/clementine/Clementine8.0/Clementine%20Users%20Guide.pdf

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Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:25pm

ATO: reread my #145...I changed the story a bit.

I think we both may have stumbled on to what actually happened.

LOLOLOLOL

This sort thing actually happens.....I kid you not.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:25pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:09pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Todd was already probably his attorney on another matter - such as a new business. Did we think about checking out all of their clients businesses and what they're into. Any of it sound like Isaac's past employment or college degrees.

Never mind. Isaac could have done something as simple as purchased an apartment complex along with other investors. Common place today and such things require an attorney such as Todd. We would never be able to figure that out.

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Logic flaw: Why does Isaac use an attorney to register a website when he's perfectly capable of doing it himself? Isaac is a technical guy - presumably more so than his lawyer "buddy". Isaac does set up his fortunecity website very shortly after Mr Schwartz registers on GoDaddy (what was the time frame here - I heard it was same day?) so Isaac clearly can do this himself.

So what can we conclude from this? Isaac and Mr Schwartz are the same person or working very closely together on this.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by obie on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:48pm

Well I am new to this forum and so please excuse my ignorance. But the way I see it is that Issac gave us something for which we should be thankful. Instead he is being pursued and if succesful maybe he is arrested or maybe he justs shuts down.Trying to find him is not going to endear you to him quite the opposite I doubt if we will hear from him again why should he take a chance of getting caught. Are those who are trying to find him doing it just to prove how smart they are if and when they do out him Ingrates the lot of you!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by GForce on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:48pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:25pm, StayFocused wrote:
Logic flaw: Why does Isaac use an attorney to register a website when he's perfectly capable of doing it himself? Isaac is a technical guy - presumably more so than his lawyer "buddy". Isaac does set up his fortunecity website very shortly after Mr Schwartz registers on GoDaddy (what was the time frame here - I heard it was same day?) so Isaac clearly can do this himself.

So what can we conclude from this? Isaac and Mr Schwartz are the same person or working very closely together on this.


Logic Flaw: Why would an attorney agree to set up a website? Most likely an attorney would recommend someone in that field. It's just not something they'd typically do unless it may be for either a close friend or more likely a family member.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:53pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:25pm, StayFocused wrote:
Logic flaw: Why does Isaac use an attorney to register a website when he's perfectly capable of doing it himself? Isaac is a technical guy - presumably more so than his lawyer "buddy". Isaac does set up his fortunecity website very shortly after Mr Schwartz registers on GoDaddy (what was the time frame here - I heard it was same day?) so Isaac clearly can do this himself.

So what can we conclude from this? Isaac and Mr Schwartz are the same person or working very closely together on this.


Or...could they be gay lovers?...LOL.

Perhaps family members?

or maybe you are right...the same person.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:54pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:22pm, WT wrote:
What about the Clementine scripting language.


ha ha! funny you should bring up 'clementine' here...

User Image


its just a typical object oriented programming language, interesting though


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:55pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:53pm, Miscreant wrote:
or maybe you are right...the same person.

100% not the same person........(If you take the Isaac documents as presented)
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:57pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:48pm, GForce wrote:
Logic Flaw: Why would an attorney agree to set up a website? Most likely an attorney would recommend someone in that field. It's just not something they'd typically do unless it may be for either a close friend or more likely a family member.


Yeah, and even if they are friends or related, Isaac has proved perfectly capable of setting up his own website plus Isaac describes himself as a technical guy (worked for the DoD for many years as a software engineer and worked with alien technology) so you would hope that I guy like that would be technical enough to setup a website by himself!

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:57pm

The best thing for Isaac to do is the OUT himself and go public. That is the safest way to go about this. He should contact Dr. Greer or someone of the calibre.

Scenario:

Isaac and Schwartz are good friends. Why not so? (My attorney does favors gratis for me all the time.)

Isaac is 75 years old and retired. He surfs the internet and listens to C2C but has never set up a website...so he asks his friend Todd Schwartz to help him.

Todd goes on vacation and things go haywire. Todd returns to the office from his vacation and discovers that the world is wanting some answers.

Not many 75 year old guys are web page savy even if they did work in science many years ago. They didn't even have the Internet in 1980s.

Things like this happen all the time.

There is really nothing very mysterious about this.




Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:59pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:22pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
As it stands, still possibly his attorney who was made privy to his (Isaac's) intentions before he presented it to Coast to Coast.

These are not bad assumptions. The only problem is that the Go Daddy (original date of said website) was changed yesterday. Whereas it stated June 6th or 7th, it now says June 28th. Obviously the attorney has been hit on (phone calls probably) from various people in the UFO Community and had asked Go Daddy to rememdy this by removing his name and associations with that website.

We have in here a copy/paste from that website page before the changes were made. They most definitely changed the page description by removing certain things. It's somewhere in thread #1 between the 70's and the 90's I believe.

to be honest with you, I think the attorney is being bombarded. I wouldn't want to be another one to do so and, if anything they probably have a standard issue comment on client confidentiality.


Ok ATO, I think this is the "smoking gun". So what if Todd is Isaac's attorney. So what if Todd saw a door left open and closed it. But I still see no smoking gun in it at all.

I have to ask, what is it you all are looking for here? What is the point to this line of investigation? What if you do corner Todd, then what? Do you then demand he out Isaac?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:03pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:48pm, obie wrote:
Well I am new to this forum and so please excuse my ignorance. But the way I see it is that Issac gave us something for which we should be thankful. Instead he is being pursued and if succesful maybe he is arrested or maybe he justs shuts down.Trying to find him is not going to endear you to him quite the opposite I doubt if we will hear from him again why should he take a chance of getting caught. Are those who are trying to find him doing it just to prove how smart they are if and when they do out him Ingrates the lot of you!


Hey Obie, if Isaac is the real deal then the least he has to worry about is a bunch of ufo nerds like us trying to seek the truth. The "Men In Black" would be all over his ass and I'm sure they would have got to Mr Schwartz long before anybody on the internet worked it out.

Isaac's claims are very extraordinary and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. At least to me they do. I'd love for all of this to be real and finally prove the existence of extra-terrestrial life yadda yadda. Maybe all of this drone stuff is enough for you to believe but I think the majority of the world needs something a little bit more substantial and grounded in reality.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:10pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:59pm, Latitude wrote:
Ok ATO, I think this is the "smoking gun". So what if Todd is Isaac's attorney. So what if Todd saw a door left open and closed it. But I still see no smoking gun in it at all.

I have to ask, what is it you all are looking for here? What is the point to this line of investigation? What if you do corner Todd, then what? Do you then demand he out Isaac?


Of course this is the "smoking gun"! It's a direct, real world link to the source of the Isaac documents!!!

Without this all we have is a bunch of conjecture on the authenticity of the documents and images provided by Isaac. Jeez, we're even trying to get info from spiritual guides!!

The link to Mr Schwartz is the only way we'll get any definitive information unless someone can prove the documents are real or fake and I don't see that happening any time soon.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by GForce on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:11pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:57pm, urantia606 wrote:
The best thing for Isaac to do is the OUT himself and go public. That is the safest way to go about this. He should contact Dr. Greer or someone of the calibre.


IF Issac's claims are true and considering the amount of interest this has caused. I would think he is scared to death. Coming forward might be the safest way to go but you don't always think rationally when you're scared. Walter Haut waited until his death to release his affidavit on Roswell probably out of fear of potential repercussions.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:13pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:53pm, Miscreant wrote:
Or...could they be gay lovers?...LOL.

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OMG... the plot thickens lol Welcome to the "Days of our UFO's"
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:17pm

J"eez, we're even trying to get info from spiritual guides!!'

ouch

As I shared with AT, I have a bit of an issue with using the term "spiritual" here as it has new age and religious connotations which I think are best avoided. Still, it beat the heck out of naming the thread "What The Voices In My Head Are Telling Me About The Drones" smiley

If your mind is open to the idea that information might be transmitted in forms other than verbal, written, or electronic, you might want to give it a chance. This certainly isn't a traditional situation in any sense of the word!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by GForce on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:17pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:13pm, castles4me wrote:
OMG... the plot thickens lol Welcome to the "Days of our UFO's"


If they ever make a movie out of his story it could be title: Drone With The Wind. I know that's really, really bad. But its been a long day already.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:18pm

Hey: StayFocused:

I am a bit confused by your recent posts. Are you interested in this thread or not? I really can't tell what side of the issue you're on.
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Have I missed something?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:19pm

Ok.... here is a new and intriguing topic for discussion. What if we could ask Isaac 5 questions... what would we ask??
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:21pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:10pm, StayFocused wrote:
The link to Mr Schwartz is the only way we'll get any definitive information unless someone can prove the documents are real or fake and I don't see that happening any time soon.


Why don't you have patients? Isaac has evidently set up his disclosure quite nicely. It was a smart idea to have an attorney involved before he went public. Why can't we simply trust Isaac to do what is right? Many of you seem to be insisting on beating the info out of Isaac. If while giving my dog a bone he bites my hand in his zeal, I will simply refuse him any more treats.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:21pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:17pm, MarkM wrote:
J"eez, we're even trying to get info from spiritual guides!!'

ouch

As I shared with AT, I have a bit of an issue with using the term "spiritual" here as it has new age and religious connotations which I think are best avoided. Still, it beat the heck out of naming the thread "What The Voices In My Head Are Telling Me About The Drones" smiley

If your mind is open to the idea that information might be transmitted in forms other than verbal, written, or electronic, you might want to give it a chance. This certainly isn't a traditional situation in any sense of the word!


If you and ATO can think of a different title for that forum, please do. She is the one that set that up for me. And, I appreciate her support.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:23pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:17pm, MarkM wrote:
J"eez, we're even trying to get info from spiritual guides!!'

ouch

As I shared with AT, I have a bit of an issue with using the term "spiritual" here as it has new age and religious connotations which I think are best avoided. Still, it beat the heck out of naming the thread "What The Voices In My Head Are Telling Me About The Drones" smiley

If your mind is open to the idea that information might be transmitted in forms other than verbal, written, or electronic, you might want to give it a chance. This certainly isn't a traditional situation in any sense of the word!


I didn't mean any offense by this. So I'm sorry if that's how it was perceived. While I don't personally believe in what you describe as I've never had any personal experience with it I do respect your opinion.

Whether you experience these telepathic thoughts or not I don't think these are relevant in getting to the truth of the Isaac case. Evidence gathered from telepathic communication certainly wouldn't hold up in a court of law (unless it could lead to some real physical evidence!).

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:24pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:19pm, castles4me wrote:
Ok.... here is a new and intriguing topic for discussion. What if we could ask Isaac 5 questions... what would we ask??


1 fav color

2 fave pop band

3 who is his celeb crush

4 what makes a great date

5 what his parents think of his musical taste


i should stop spending so much time on tigerbeatmag.com... totally!


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:27pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:18pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hey: StayFocused:

I am a bit confused by your recent posts. Are you interested in this thread or not? I really can't tell what side of the issue you're on.
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Have I missed something?


I don't know where you get the idea that I'm not interested in this thread. I'm clearly interested in getting to the bottom of the Isaac case. Look at the title of this thread:

MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED? ? ? - ASK ISAAC

It looks like a question to me - I'd like to find an answer!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:29pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:23pm, StayFocused wrote:
I didn't mean any offense by this. So I'm sorry if that's how it was perceived. While I don't personally believe in what you describe as I've never had any personal experience with it I do respect your opinion.

Whether you experience these telepathic thoughts or not I don't think these are relevant in getting to the truth of the Isaac case. Evidence gathered from telepathic communication certainly wouldn't hold up in a court of law (unless it could lead to some real physical evidence!).


No offense taken! This is why it's in a separate, more appropriate thread smiley.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:34pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:23pm, StayFocused wrote:
Whether you experience these telepathic thoughts or not I don't think these are relevant in getting to the truth of the Isaac case. Evidence gathered from telepathic communication certainly wouldn't hold up in a court of law (unless it could lead to some real physical evidence!).


Well, I dont think that all of those algebra/geometry/technical words would have come to me if I hadn't been on the "Ask Isaac" forum. It MUST have something to do with all of this. Maybe not necessarily to prove whether Isaac is real or not, but if someone can prove scientifically that the technology in the list of words is the same in the technology used to create the drones, then it is relevant.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:35pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:21pm, Latitude wrote:
Why don't you have patients? Isaac has evidently set up his disclosure quite nicely. It was a smart idea to have an attorney involved before he went public. Why can't we simply trust Isaac to do what is right? Many of you seem to be insisting on beating the info out of Isaac. If while giving my dog a bone he bites my hand in his zeal, I will simply refuse him any more treats.



Exactly... which is why I brought up the question. If we could ask Isaac 5 questions... what would they be. Instead of trying to hound and speculate about what the lawyer knew or didn't. We should be appreciative that Isaac took a risk to divulge information and maybe with the right questions asked, we could get more.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by 5150 on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:38pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:24pm, j w wright wrote:
1 fav color

2 fave pop band

3 who is his celeb crush

4 what makes a great date

5 what his parents think of his musical taste


i should stop spending so much time on tigerbeatmag.com... totally!


That's freaking hilarious, btw! So funny it drug me out of lurk.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:40pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:34pm, castles4me wrote:
Well, I dont think that all of those algebra/geometry/technical words would have come to me if I hadn't been on the "Ask Isaac" forum. It MUST have something to do with all of this. Maybe not necessarily to prove whether Isaac is real or not, but if someone can prove scientifically that the technology in the list of words is the same in the technology used to create the drones, then it is relevant.


Well, I didn't want to get into deconstructing the list of topics that came to you in a dream as I couldn't see anything directly relevant to this Isaac case. It's like trying to prove/disprove astrology or Nostradamus prophecies. All you have is a bunch of vaguely related terms that lead nowhere.

Anyway, this is always the problem on these ufo forums and with ufology in general. We're losing focus again by going off into the mystical realm - keep it real, keep it focused.

The Schwartz lead is far more relevant than any spiritual/telepathic/astrological lead.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by AgentM on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:41pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:17pm, GForce wrote:
If they ever make a movie out of his story it could be title: Drone With The Wind. I know that's really, really bad. But its been a long day already.

Or.."As the world drones"
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:47pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:35pm, castles4me wrote:
Exactly... which is why I brought up the question. If we could ask Isaac 5 questions... what would they be. Instead of trying to hound and speculate about what the lawyer knew or didn't. We should be appreciative that Isaac took a risk to divulge information and maybe with the right questions asked, we could get more.


The basic disconnect we have on this forum is that we have believers (people who have already swallowed the Isaac story whole) and the others (non-believers and fence-sitters) and the believers take offense when any of the others try to question the case.

Don't get so worked up about people trying to find holes in the story. If this story is real then it will stick.




Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by AgentM on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:47pm

I suppose it advances our discussion to dig into Issac's identity.

However, we should not approach him/them since what he/they are doing is probably very well thought out.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:48pm

Or...could they be gay lovers?...LOL

OMG... the plot thickens lol Welcome to the "Days of our UFO's" .


How about "In Search of the Schwartz As Our Days Drone On"?

HJ
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:50pm

I'd like to say something to Isaac:

Isaac, you are a totally cool dude even if you call yourself an old man.

I really appreciate the fact that you had the guts and good sense to come forward and post the info you have so far.

I agree with you...there is way too much unnessary secrecy with the whole freakin UFO/anti-gravity thing.

Take some time and think it over. If you post more, that would be great. Don't worry about it.

Your attorney knows a good friend in you.

I hope you keep yourself well and we all extend to you, our friend, hugs and big thank you!!!!


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by VonStern on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:03pm

Please. if this is to reveal someting, let's put our minds together...reading the threads, FBI and UK are revealing some secrets, which is seemingly time, as we are living in the time of knowledge.

What is not revealed, are the closed programs.

Why would we believe, that all information is disclosed?

Any government can provide the commonwealth to know, what we already know.

Trust me, the real secure archives are hidden to us.

They withold any evidence they have, and that might be for the excact reasons, that was told by a former member, to keep from mass hysteria, and a loss of lives during the disclosure.

That's why media are withholding..

I sent the "Isaac" link to several newspapers in my country, only to get "not delivered" ...and I usually get through to this media..!!

Well, something isn't right here...cover up or something like it..you be my guest to try this for yourself!..?

VonStern

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:06pm

Personally I think this whole attorney thing is a red herring.

It took me less than 2 minutes to create a new email address on yahoo and use that address to create and account on fortunecity.com.

I created that as a test to prove Isaac needed no help in doing this. Also this method of creating a new email address just for use in creating the fortunecity account is a very good method of concealing identity. All he'd need to do is use a machine other than his own to conceal his IP address. A wireless laptop could be used to access unprotected wireless networks and the IP address would never be traceable to him.

If I was going to do what he did, that's exactly how I'd go about it. In fact I'd also use one of the 10 buck USB wireless LAN adapters to do it and chuck it in a river when done. That way not even the MAC address would lead anywhere.

Registering a domain leaves a nice paper trail that'd take the PTB about 5 minutes to track. Someone has to make the payment.

Frankly I think "Isaac" is too smart and too familiar with the PTB to leave that kind of trail.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:07pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:28pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I can safely say that Todd and Isaac have been on the phone since onthefence emailed Todd.


on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:58pm, StayFocused wrote:
Care to elaborate? This is pretty important information. Who have they spoken to? Was any useful information divulged?

If this is true, then it's nice to know they're still alive. I would have thought the MIB would have taken them out to the desert by now if this whole thing was true...


Yeah, I'll elaborate with one word. I was being facetious. lol grin grin grin
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:10pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:22pm, WT wrote:
What about the Clementine scripting language. It's used to design neural networks. I've never worked with it but maybe someone in here?

http://www.nbs.ntu.edu.sg/userguide/clementine/Clementine8.0/Clementine%20Users%20Guide.pdf


You know what? I just ran into where the word Clementine came into the picture, which may be confusing this issue for now.

It was randomly stated on Earthfiles as a possibility based off of something Isaac said, which I don't remember what that was exacly, I just clicked out because it was either weak or too much to consider - research wise. I don't remember except to say that we'll put the Clementine thing on the shelf but not in the back of the shelf. We'll look at it on a slow day. They're due to arrive eventually.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:13pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:25pm, urantia606 wrote:
ATO: reread my #145...I changed the story a bit.

I think we both may have stumbled on to what actually happened.

LOLOLOLOL

This sort thing actually happens.....I kid you not.


LOL, yes it does............he he

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:14pm

Put the Clementine thing in the circular file.

It originated here: http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1271&category=Environment

Another red herring.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:16pm

"The Schwartz lead is far more relevant than any spiritual/telepathic/astrological lead."

StayFocused, I'm with you on the spiritual and the astrological, but have to keep the telepathic angle open. This whole thing is so far outside anything we've yet to comprehend that until the mystery of S1 is revealed, I think a bio-mechanical interface of some type is a definite possibility. The only thing blacked out in the CARET report is anything regarding S1. If the military did that, then it's in keeping with Isaacs assertion that they went to great lengths not to talk about actual ET's. If Isaac blacked it out, maybe revealing that is the next step. Maybe we aren't emotionally ready to go there yet. I was just reading that while a large number of people freely admit that they believe in the idea UFO's, when they actually start to connect to the fact that they're piloted by something that is not human, things get touchy.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:17pm

I don't think Isaac and Todd are gay lovers. My husband and I have never seen them at any of the Gay Agenda meetings! wink
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:18pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:25pm, StayFocused wrote:
Logic flaw: Why does Isaac use an attorney to register a website when he's perfectly capable of doing it himself? Isaac is a technical guy - presumably more so than his lawyer "buddy". Isaac does set up his fortunecity website very shortly after Mr Schwartz registers on GoDaddy (what was the time frame here - I heard it was same day?) so Isaac clearly can do this himself.

So what can we conclude from this? Isaac and Mr Schwartz are the same person or working very closely together on this.


Another Logic Flaw: Because people have too much faith in an attorney as they do a doctor, which is in my book - S.T.U.P.I.D. But it happens all the time. Just because there is a degree, doesn't mean that they deserved it. I think Isaac that his attorney would know best. From what I've read (email) his attorney doesn't know diddly. I still do not believe that Isaac is the attorney.

My original thought, which I thought was logical was that he origianlly approached his attorney for reasons of advice regarding the nature of the documents in respect to possibly going to jail if he were to present them to the public, not the website thing. I figure the website idea came after that hypothetical conversation.

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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:21pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:48pm, GForce wrote:
Logic Flaw: Why would an attorney agree to set up a website? Most likely an attorney would recommend someone in that field. It's just not something they'd typically do unless it may be for either a close friend or more likely a family member.


I think the website thing was in passing. Off the cuff - ** oh, well let me show you this ** kind of thing.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:22pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:53pm, Miscreant wrote:
Or...could they be gay lovers?...LOL.
Perhaps family members?
or maybe you are right...the same person.


I honestly thought of that.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:26pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:57pm, StayFocused wrote:
Yeah, and even if they are friends or related, Isaac has proved perfectly capable of setting up his own website plus Isaac describes himself as a technical guy (worked for the DoD for many years as a software engineer and worked with alien technology) so you would hope that I guy like that would be technical enough to setup a website by himself!


True but that was 1986, and the Internet wasn't much of anything until 1987 and we don't know where he went in 1987. As well, maybe he's never had reason to design a website.

You would be surprised how many computer literate people there are that don't even enter forums, have their own website, have their own forum for that matter, run a blog or maintain a MySpace. They're in Yahoo games instead or just gamers. LOL
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:28pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:57pm, urantia606 wrote:
The best thing for Isaac to do is the OUT himself and go public. That is the safest way to go about this. He should contact Dr. Greer or someone of the calibre.


Before I even read the rest of this post I so NO WAY! Not Greer. He's exactly where he belongs. Coast to Coast - alongside Art Bell and his cronies. He's safer there.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:30pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:59pm, Latitude wrote:
Ok ATO, I think this is the "smoking gun". So what if Todd is Isaac's attorney. So what if Todd saw a door left open and closed it. But I still see no smoking gun in it at all.

I have to ask, what is it you all are looking for here? What is the point to this line of investigation? What if you do corner Todd, then what? Do you then demand he out Isaac?


We won't. We're just playing around and StayingFocused - so to speak. eek, eek
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:31pm



What we do sense from that email that nobody has mentioned is that Todd seems to think that Isaac is going to release more information. Did anyone notice that from reading.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by VonStern on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:32pm

I don't see the logic in hunting down Isaac...even if he's presented through an attorney.

It would be much more logic to hunt down any decievement posed by government or DoD.

Or a coverup....which would be presented to us in a few days or so...

If not, we're supposed to have taken the bait, OR actually in the process of revealing the truth!

Anyway, the sigthings reveal nothing more than CGI, which will satisfy any govt.

As said before, why are we beliveng that they want to share ALL evidence with the public?

Just some thoughts,

VonStern
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:32pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:11pm, GForce wrote:
IF Issac's claims are true and considering the amount of interest this has caused. I would think he is scared to death. Coming forward might be the safest way to go but you don't always think rationally when you're scared. Walter Haut waited until his death to release his affidavit on Roswell probably out of fear of potential repercussions.


Exactly, and how easy it is to forget that he could go to prison for such an act - and, he admitted to stealing the documents and pictures right on the Internet.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:34pm

I did a search of the U.S. patent office (unsure if anyone had already done this) and came up with patent # 6353311, a antigravity device that was patented in 2002.

Drawings and information can be found at

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=antigravity&d=PTXT
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:36pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:17pm, GForce wrote:
If they ever make a movie out of his story it could be title: Drone With The Wind. I know that's really, really bad. But its been a long day already.


LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:36pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:21pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I think the website thing was in passing. Off the cuff - ** oh, well let me show you this ** kind of thing.


Sure, you can always think of some potential scenario, it just seems very unlikely for an investment lawyer to register a website for a very technically savvy secret alien project whistle-blower.

Somebody said that most 75 year olds aren't capable of creating websites. That may be true, but first of all you're assuming Isaac is 75 years old (he never explicitly states his age) and plus most 75 year olds aren't software experts that have worked with alien technology.

Anyway, the main point is - Mr Schwartz is the main key to solving this puzzle.

Now let's say this whole story is real. Mr Schwartz has had his cover blown on the internet. So the feds (MIB, DoD whatever) already know his phone number and address. They would already have investigated Mr Schwartz and no client-attorney privilege is going to stop them from getting the identity of Isaac from Mr Schwartz. So we can safely assume that Isaac has already had his cover blown.

Now, a private citizen contacting Mr Schwartz wouldn't be a big deal in this scenario - in fact, he'd probably appreciate it if he's in deep shit with the PTB.

On the other hand, if this is a hoax, then Mr Schwartz and Isaac really invited any public scrutiny or bombardment with phone calls etc...

In either case, I don't see a problem with contacting Mr Schwartz.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:38pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:19pm, castles4me wrote:
Ok.... here is a new and intriguing topic for discussion. What if we could ask Isaac 5 questions... what would we ask??


This is what dreams are made up of but the reality is that even Coast to Coast isn't getting anything out of him. Not since way back when.

Write Coast to Coast and ask if they could ask 5 questions for us here at the UFO Casebook. See what they say. If LMH can't get questions answered, I doubt we could.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:40pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:21pm, castles4me wrote:
If you and ATO can think of a different title for that forum, please do. She is the one that set that up for me. And, I appreciate her support.


Just let me know but what's left (VOICES IN MY HEAD)? LOL

I'm surprised Mark that you association spirituality with New Age. Spirituality is (in my mind) associated with wisdom, not a cult.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:41pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:34pm, Miscreant wrote:
I did a search of the U.S. patent office (unsure if anyone had already done this) and came up with patent # 6353311, a antigravity device that was patented in 2002.

Drawings and information can be found at

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.htm


Also...

I find it odd that the pictures associated with 6,960,975 are not showing up....
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:45pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:23pm, StayFocused wrote:
Whether you experience these telepathic thoughts or not I don't think these are relevant in getting to the truth of the Isaac case. Evidence gathered from telepathic communication certainly wouldn't hold up in a court of law (unless it could lead to some real physical evidence!).


Who cares about a court of law though. I'm a abductee/contactee and pretty much everything I put to this keyboard is the thought of another's and not necessarily mine. Pretty weird huh? That's why we drop the subject here because for us experiencers, it abolsutely exists but, it makes us look the nut job we're not.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:47pm

found this on another forum. not to beat a dead horse, but this is the first i've seen or heard about this aspect of the Halo 3 rumor .................

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So, after reading that ign article. Apparantly some bungie website has a hidden link in the source code of the page to this image. (website is http://www.27.com/cool/ links to come halo forum).

http://27.com/ar.jpg might need to zoom out, it's pretty big.

Look familiar? http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/new...dWriting2x.jpg

Also people said something about the number 7 was the same as a certain font. Bungie (halo developers) have a huge obsession with the number 7.

Could be that they just decided to use the image for whatever reason and it's not theirs, but
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:47pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:40pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Just let me know but what's left (VOICES IN MY HEAD)? LOL

I'm surprised Mark that you association spirituality with New Age. Spirituality is (in my mind) associated with wisdom, not a cult.
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I don't, the problem is that a large percentage of the general public does. For example, the New Agers refer to themselves as "spiritual but not religious". I know, my ex was big on this. Remember the "Harmonic Convergence" smiley.

I'm not whining, ATO - LOL! Just wish there was a more neutral term for this kind of communication, that's all.

OK, I'm over it smiley
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:51pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:47pm, StayFocused wrote:
The basic disconnect we have on this forum is that we have believers (people who have already swallowed the Isaac story whole) and the others (non-believers and fence-sitters) and the believers take offense when any of the others try to question the case.

Don't get so worked up about people trying to find holes in the story. If this story is real then it will stick.


True. I'm not a believer yet. I can put a percentage on it and Isaac's above the 50% range certainly - maybe 85%. Either way, even if we we believe 100%, which honestly is impossible at this point, skepticism is still warranted since it dismisses the negative aspects.

We gotta have it and it's more then allowed in all subjects here in the forum. Healthy skepticism, not one liner nonsense certainly.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:52pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:38pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
This is what dreams are made up of but the reality is that even Coast to Coast isn't getting anything out of him. Not since way back when.

Write Coast to Coast and ask if they could ask 5 questions for us here at the UFO Casebook. See what they say. If LMH can't get questions answered, I doubt we could.
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Why don't we compile a Top Ten list of questions based on everyone giving 5 suggestions and form them into an open letter to Isaac. Maybe he can find a way to respond.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:53pm

Miscreant you are cute:

You find it odd that pictures of a possible ULTRA TOP SECRET anti-gravity device don't show up on the internet.

Those Patent Office people are so naughty.

%20undecided
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by StayFocused on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:54pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:52pm, WatchingWaiting wrote:
Why don't we compile a Top Ten list of questions based on everyone giving 5 suggestions and form them into an open letter to Isaac. Maybe he can find a way to respond.


There's no harm in trying. The more questions the better I say.

Of course, if this is real, I doubt we'll ever hear from him again as his cover has already been blown enough for the MIB to hunt him down.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by VonStern on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:55pm

As Castlesforme wrote: If the signs (language) on the attachments were to work on the "mother ring" it indicates that the only letters not being altered by mirroring are the connection that goes through in singularity, maybe a connective link between parts in the craft.

Meaing, the "letters" that show the same mirrored are given either a link between matters, or the same function, either side. ?

Just an observation

VonStern
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:57pm

pvtjoker75 wote:

found this on another forum. not to beat a dead horse, but this is the first i've seen or heard about this aspect of the Halo 3 rumor .................

::::

So, after reading that ign article. Apparantly some bungie website has a hidden link in the source code of the page to this image. (website is http://www.27.com/cool/ links to come halo forum).

http://27.com/ar.jpg might need to zoom out, it's pretty big.

Look familiar? http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/new...dWriting2x.jpg

Also people said something about the number 7 was the same as a certain font. Bungie (halo developers) have a huge obsession with the number 7.

Could be that they just decided to use the image for whatever reason and it's not theirs, but


Does it mean anything? Because the images of the drones have been all over the net by now. If some kid cuts and paste, does it mean anything?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:57pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:32pm, VonStern wrote:
I don't see the logic in hunting down Isaac...even if he's presented through an attorney.

It would be much more logic to hunt down any decievement posed by government or DoD.

Or a coverup....which would be presented to us in a few days or so...

If not, we're supposed to have taken the bait, OR actually in the process of revealing the truth!

Anyway, the sigthings reveal nothing more than CGI, which will satisfy any govt.

As said before, why are we beliveng that they want to share ALL evidence with the public?

Just some thoughts,

VonStern


Well, we could all maybe harass Coast to Coast and ask them to get their rears in gear.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:59pm


Quote:
Does it mean anything? Because the images of the drones have been all over the net by now. If some kid cuts and paste, does it mean anything?


I don't know when it came out, i just stumbled upon it a few minutes ago. Not sure if it was on that site all along or what
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:21pm

Well pvtjoker75, it is odd stuff for sure but who knows.

HJ
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:25pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:53pm, urantia606 wrote:
Miscreant you are cute:

You find it odd that pictures of a possible ULTRA TOP SECRET anti-gravity device don't show up on the internet.

Those Patent Office people are so naughty.

%20undecided


lol, you never know. What if. We have extremely strict Patent laws. Laws even the U.S. Government cannot infringe on. The government has to file their own patents as well. Patents are all available to the public, they must be, so who's to say. One of these days their anti-gravity patent will be filed, if they have one to file.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:33pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:03pm, VonStern wrote:
Please. if this is to reveal someting, let's put our minds together...reading the threads, FBI and UK are revealing some secrets, which is seemingly time, as we are living in the time of knowledge.

What is not revealed, are the closed programs.

Why would we believe, that all information is disclosed?

Any government can provide the commonwealth to know, what we already know.

Trust me, the real secure archives are hidden to us.

They withold any evidence they have, and that might be for the excact reasons, that was told by a former member, to keep from mass hysteria, and a loss of lives during the disclosure.

That's why media are withholding..

I sent the "Isaac" link to several newspapers in my country, only to get "not delivered" ...and I usually get through to this media..!!

Well, something isn't right here...cover up or something like it..you be my guest to try this for yourself!..?

VonStern

Your post reminds of the BBC article (where one can leave a comment) that was mentioned on the forum yesterday. Some people here said they had written comments about Isaac's story. They explained that if they hadn't showed up yet that was because they were being moderated. I've just checked whether the comments were available by now and obviously, they're not... I find it more and more bizarre that nowhere is mentioned the drone or Isaac's story in the media.
Here is the link of the article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6268708.stm
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:39pm

OVERPARIS:

You never know what's up with the media. Most media people are more dangerous and cynical than any politician ever was.

Most all media have an agenda: their own agenda!

If we relied on the media for real information we would still be wondering if the earth was flat.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by beenieweenie on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:43pm

I (think) I've read all the pages of posts regarding this, and was curious - maybe I missed it - the Wikipedia UFO entry mentions this under the "Hoax" area, saying LMH was "fooled".... how did that come about?

Is it just some skeptic, or did I miss something?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufo
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by AgentM on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:45pm

Perhaps we should forget the plastic media and present a comprehensive package to National Geographic.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:46pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:54pm, StayFocused wrote:
Quote:
on Today at 14:52:28, WatchingWaiting wrote:Why don't we compile a Top Ten list of questions based on everyone giving 5 suggestions and form them into an open letter to Isaac. Maybe he can find a way to respond.


There's no harm in trying. The more questions the better I say.

Of course, if this is real, I doubt we'll ever hear from him again as his cover has already been blown enough for the MIB to hunt him down.


I think getting a list of questions together is a great idea. I also think WW's idea of keeping it to 10 questions is a good idea because you might overwelm him and he'll simply refuse.

Over at OMF, Raj was hammered with so many questions it became a mess.

If I can add one question here it is:

Did you or your coworkers ever have any doubts about the purpose of CARET especially considering the project was being overseen by the military?


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:48pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:47pm, pvtjoker75 wrote:
found this on another forum. not to beat a dead horse, but this is the first i've seen or heard about this aspect of the Halo 3 rumor .................

::::

So, after reading that ign article. Apparantly some bungie website has a hidden link in the source code of the page to this image. (website is http://www.27.com/cool/ links to come halo forum).

http://27.com/ar.jpg might need to zoom out, it's pretty big.

Look familiar? http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/new...dWriting2x.jpg

Also people said something about the number 7 was the same as a certain font. Bungie (halo developers) have a huge obsession with the number 7.

Could be that they just decided to use the image for whatever reason and it's not theirs, but

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED huh
Post by Atrueoriginall on 06/28/2007 at 09:02:00
on 06/28/2007 at 08:50:03, WT wrote:

Any news about that http://www.27.com/ site?

A little more popped up. Go to these two pages.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182283823
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&num=1179108769&action=display&start=390

But more importantly................
This might interest those who found the Halo3, Bungie association with the Big Basin drone interesting.
I figured this out today (I wrote this over a week ago and today is 6/28) while visiting various UFO/alien forums and websites and wrote the following email to BJ.
BJ: I think

Just like the small adds on the top of your forum, they pop up according to various words that are typed somewhere within that page.

Well, if you were to go into the websites or forums that are talking about HALO3 w/Chad, Big Basin and Bungie, etc. (which are the more numerous pages in UFO forums today), at the top or bottom of each of those pages are ads by Google
that look like this.

Ads by Google: Bungie Halo 2 Xbox Halo 3 Halo 2 the Xbox Game Halo II

So, just talking about the Halo3's associations with Big Basin, ect. in the various websites and forums is prompting all this advertising for them. UFO's and aliens happen to be a very popular subject for gamers. Consequently, the team at Halo aint no dummies. lol

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:50pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:33pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
Your post reminds of the BBC article (where one can leave a comment) that was mentioned on the forum yesterday. Some people here said they had written comments about Isaac's story. They explained that if they hadn't showed up yet that was because they were being moderated. I've just checked whether the comments were available by now and obviously, they're not... I find it more and more bizarre that nowhere is mentioned the drone or Isaac's story in the media.
Here is the link of the article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6268708.stm

I’ve been checking that site and it looks like they’ve binned the lot as there have been no new comments for over 24 hours now. angry


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by AgentM on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:56pm

I can see it now..

They will prop up one of their eurathaned automatons on the six oclock news and with a whitend smile and some scripted nonsense make a joke of our efforts.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:59pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:56pm, AgentM wrote:
I can see it now..

They will prop up one of their eurathaned automatons on the six oclock news and with a whitend smile and some scripted nonsense make a joke of our efforts.


It'll be the lead out story, right after the one with the kitten being rescued....................
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:59pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:47pm, pvtjoker75 wrote:
found this on another forum. not to beat a dead horse, but this is the first i've seen or heard about this aspect of the Halo 3 rumor .................

::::

So, after reading that ign article. Apparantly some bungie website has a hidden link in the source code of the page to this image. (website is http://www.27.com/cool/ links to come halo forum).

http://27.com/ar.jpg might need to zoom out, it's pretty big.

Look familiar? http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/new...dWriting2x.jpg

Also people said something about the number 7 was the same as a certain font. Bungie (halo developers) have a huge obsession with the number 7.

Could be that they just decided to use the image for whatever reason and it's not theirs, but


This isn't for you pvtjoker since you already know but for everyone else, if you've got a Viral Marketing Campaign thought in your head, go here because we moved such things out of the Isaac threads since they did not pertain to the drones.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182283823


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:19pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:43pm, beenieweenie wrote:
I (think) I've read all the pages of posts regarding this, and was curious - maybe I missed it - the Wikipedia UFO entry mentions this under the "Hoax" area, saying LMH was "fooled".... how did that come about?

Is it just some skeptic, or did I miss something?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufo


That is truly weird since this is an ongoing investigation. I wonder if anyone's told Lind yet? Bet she'd be surprised to find that out! I wonder who fed them that info? Very curious.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:24pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:34pm, Miscreant wrote:
I did a search of the U.S. patent office (unsure if anyone had already done this) and came up with patent # 6353311, a antigravity device that was patented in 2002.

Drawings and information can be found at

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=antigravity&d=PTXT

I found that image searching the link you gave... User Image
This spaceship looks like a UFO and in the middle there is something which resemble the Isaac's antigravity device.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:25pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:43pm, beenieweenie wrote:
I (think) I've read all the pages of posts regarding this, and was curious - maybe I missed it - the Wikipedia UFO entry mentions this under the "Hoax" area, saying LMH was "fooled".... how did that come about?

Is it just some skeptic, or did I miss something?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufo


on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:19pm, MarkM wrote:
That is truly weird since this is an ongoing investigation. I wonder if anyone's told Lind yet? Bet she'd be surprised to find that out! I wonder who fed them that info? Very curious.


I'm going to spend an hour or so in that Wikipedia.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:26pm


on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:19pm, MarkM wrote:
That is truly weird since this is an ongoing investigation. I wonder if anyone's told Lind yet? Bet she'd be surprised to find that out! I wonder who fed them that info? Very curious.

Not really, you could sign up and change it in a couple of seconds, if you even flag it someone at wiki will look into it and reword it. Strict rules concerning unsubstantiated statements.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by roman on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:30pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:56pm, AgentM wrote:
I can see it now..

They will prop up one of their eurathaned automatons on the six oclock news and with a whitend smile and some scripted nonsense make a joke of our efforts.



Hello Agent M, and welcome to the UFO Casebook forum. I couldn't agree with you more. However this is the reason we are all here at the greatest ufo website on the internet. Forget the outside non-believing world, thats why everyone is in here with serious discussion on this phenomena. Welcome and we look forward to your posts. roman
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:32pm

I understand that most college professors consider ANY Wikipedia quotes to be highly suspect and you are liable to get a red mark through them.

Wikipedia=unreliable
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by beenieweenie on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:34pm

smiley Well, ok then - was kinda confused there.

That Wikipedia page definitely needs to be edited. Maybe someone should create a whole page for the Isaac thing - someone will do it sooner or later anyway.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:38pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:25pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I'm going to spend an hour or so in that Wikipedia.


that's the reason i take anything on Wiki with a grain of salt. The amount of information put in there that is either wrong or promoting someone else's agenda (in this case a website) takes away all it's credibility
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:42pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:34pm, beenieweenie wrote:
smiley Well, ok then - was kinda confused there.

That Wikipedia page definitely needs to be edited. Maybe someone should create a whole page for the Isaac thing - someone will do it sooner or later anyway.


Beenie, how did you trip over that page. Did somewhere else lead you?


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by beenieweenie on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:43pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:38pm, pvtjoker75 wrote:
that's the reason i take anything on Wiki with a grain of salt. The amount of information put in there that is either wrong or promoting someone else's agenda (in this case a website) takes away all it's credibility


You may take it with a grain of salt, but a lot of people out there will stumble upon it and believe it - all the more reason for someone to fix it, or create an entry devoted to it.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:43pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:19pm, MarkM wrote:
That is truly weird since this is an ongoing investigation. I wonder if anyone's told Lind yet? Bet she'd be surprised to find that out! I wonder who fed them that info? Very curious.


It's from the debunkers. You think ATS is bad, this is where Springer looks open minded. grin
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:43pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:38pm, pvtjoker75 wrote:
that's the reason i take anything on Wiki with a grain of salt. The amount of information put in there that is either wrong or promoting someone else's agenda (in this case a website) takes away all it's credibility


Just the same, they've done damage here.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by beenieweenie on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:47pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:42pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Beenie, how did you trip over that page. Did somewhere else lead you?



I have the day off smiley and I've been looking at UFO stuff all day - I love Wikipedia (for the most part) - and happened to search for Isaac/Carat stuff while I was there, and that's how I found it.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:49pm



Look at this in their forum. They refuse to call a drone, a drone and instead call it a gizmo. And, they call in the title of the other thread, Isaac< the guy.

A Gizmo Summary
[ Goto page: 1 ... 3, 4, 5 ] 60 Max 1514 Mon Jul 02,

This Guy Has Explanation For California Gizmos
[ Goto page: 1, 2 ]

Obviously nobody is interested based on their low head count in the forum even though they've been there for a year and 5 months now.

So, since their forum or website isn't sufficient in harming the reputation of certain people, they go out into the world and hit up Wikipedia and that article we saw earlier today - Mark you had it and said something about it this morning - about the IIT acronym.

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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:49pm

Another question for Isaac:
While you were at CARET did they ever get one of the drones to operate? (I am thinking you said you didn't) What do you think it took to get them made. and, do you think the recent sightings are ones that the US back-engineered, are they actual alien craft, or some of both??
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:57pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:49pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Look at this in their forum. They refuse to call a drone, a drone and instead call it a gizmo. And, they call in the title of the other thread, Isaac< the guy.

A Gizmo Summary
[ Goto page: 1 ... 3, 4, 5 ] 60 Max 1514 Mon Jul 02,

This Guy Has Explanation For California Gizmos
[ Goto page: 1, 2 ]

Obviously nobody is interested based on their low head count in the forum even though they've been there for a year and 5 months now.

So, since their forum or website isn't sufficient in harming the reputation of certain people, they go out into the world and hit up Wikipedia and that article we saw earlier today - Mark you had it and said something about it this morning - about the IIT acronym.

.

"I think it’s a safe bet to assume that none of you have ever heard of the “Imaginary Intelligence Agency”.

The IIA are so secretive, and so adept at maintaining that secrecy, that not even the operatives and field agents under its command know of its existence! This particular agency is run, like all others, on a strictly need-to-know basis, with the IIA’s “Director” deciding only he has that right to know. It may sound like a strange setup, but the agency has been running operations successfully for over three decades now – all completely undetected."

From you know who.............
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:11pm

I had the webmaster here contact her so that she can go in and edit so I'm not. If I was her, I would be so angry.

To dare put her name alongside a supposed hoax that is still on the table and by no means has been shelved just angers me to no end.

Ya know what, it makes me think twice now about Serpo. If this was done to Chad and Isaac (since they were both mentioned), who is to say that Serpo is no more a hoax then Chad and Isaac.

That is misleading the public. If they are misleading the public on Wikipedia, and we know this for an absolute fact, then who is to say that they're not misleading the public in everything it is that they do?

More simply stated, I have absolute no faith in them whatsoever and never will again because I did once.


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Post by Latitude on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:28pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:11pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Ya know what, it makes me think twice now about Serpo. If this was done to Chad and Isaac (since they were both mentioned), who is to say that Serpo is no more a hoax then Chad and Isaac since .


I agree.
When I first heard the story of serpo my opinion was that it was a cool story (something that Hollywood should make into a movie, like Close Encounters of the 4th Kind) but never did I believe it was true. But this whole Isaac twist kind of opens the door on the possibility that serpo actually might have happened. If you haven't read about serpo, check it out. It's fun!

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:35pm

OK, going on record, here's what I think - think, can't prove - based on everything that my drone saturated brain has processed over this past week:

1. This is not a hoax. While not every drone image may be legit, all it takes is one. I'm a pretty good judge of people and (IMHO) Shirley, at least, is not lying. Based on numerous witness accounts, this saga did not begin with the Chad photo. "Isaac's" material is consistent with several factors, not the least of which is the (IMHO) fact that we did indeed recover debris from the Roswell wreckage in 1947. Over 600 people, military and civilian - many on their deathbeds - have nothing to gain by lying. The government did something with that wreckage. That something was to spend decades trying to figure it out.

2. "Isaac" and the attorney, Todd Schwartz are related (father, son, uncle, whatever). Mr. Schwartz appears to have a stable career with a reputable law firm. He does not deny knowledge of "Isaac" and CARET (provided his email response is legit). There is no reason to think that Attorney Schwartz is looking to trade in his license to practice law for one to practice Tom Foolery. Nothing to gain, everything to lose.

3. There is some test going on. Either the beginnings of actual disclosure or a preliminary trial balloon. Whether the initial drone sightings were the result of an equipment malfunction or an intentional "unveiling", the leaks continue because it's being allowed.

4. There is a decision being made - even as we type - about the direction that this will take in the days ahead. For several reasons, political, social, and otherwise, this may be the opportune time to orchestrate a revelation of this magnitude.

Without further information, beyond this point is a blur. I hope that we'll be able to write the next several threads based on information, not on hunches and speculation. If "he" is reading, I hope that "Isaac" will see that we've come about as far as we can with what we have. If he is truly sincere in what he set out to accomplish, he'll put in another appearance soon. My prediction is within a week.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:36pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:28pm, Latitude wrote:
I agree.
When I first heard the story of serpo my opinion was that it was a cool story (something that Hollywood should make into a movie, like Close Encounters of the 4th Kind) but never did I believe it was true. But this whole Isaac twist kind of opens the door on the possibility that serpo actually might have happened. If you haven't read about serpo, check it out. It's fun!



GOOD IDEA! AND I'LL SUPPLY THE ADDRESS!

http://serpo.org/


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:51pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:35pm, MarkM wrote:
OK, going on record, here's what I think - think, can't prove - based on everything that my drone saturated brain has processed over this past week:

1. This is not a hoax. While not every drone image may be legit, all it takes is one. I'm a pretty good judge of people and (IMHO) Shirley, at least, is not lying. Based on numerous witness accounts, this saga did not begin with the Chad photo. "Isaac's" material is consistent with several factors, not the least of which is the (IMHO) fact that we did indeed recover debris from the Roswell wreckage in 1947. Over 600 people, military and civilian - many on their deathbeds - have nothing to gain by lying. The government did something with that wreckage. That something was to spend decades trying to figure it out.

2. "Isaac" and the attorney, Todd Schwartz are related (father, son, uncle, whatever). Mr. Schwartz appears to have a stable career with a reputable law firm. He does not deny knowledge of "Isaac" and CARET (provided his email response is legit). There is no reason to think that Attorney Schwartz is looking to trade in his license to practice law for one to practice Tom Foolery. Nothing to gain, everything to lose.

3. There is some test going on. Either the beginnings of actual disclosure or a preliminary trial balloon. Whether the initial drone sightings were the result of an equipment malfunction or an intentional "unveiling", the leaks continue because it's being allowed.

4. There is a decision being made - even as we type - about the direction that this will take in the days ahead. For several reasons, political, social, and otherwise, this may be the opportune time to orchestrate a revelation of this magnitude.

Without further information, beyond this point is a blur. I hope that we'll be able to write the next several threads based on information, not on hunches and speculation. If "he" is reading, I hope that "Isaac" will see that we've come about as far as we can with what we have. If he is truly sincere in what he set out to accomplish, he'll put in another appearance soon. My prediction is within a week.


Good, now where are the bots when you need them. Come here little crawlers, come out, come out where ever you are. We need you to take a screen shot of this page for Google so that our forum date will be newer then Wikipedia's. lol
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Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:59pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:17pm, starsigndavid wrote:
Even though I am Italian, I have always gotten along quite well with gay Jewish men! smiley ...and if they happen to have some knowledge pertinent to ET, I am all the more interested!


Poor Wittle Isaac embarassed
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:07pm

I've already said I think we have a genuine break through here but on the small chance this is a viral marketing campaign for HALO 3......as was pointed out earlier.....the developers of that game, Bungie, have a fascination with the number "7" and 7-7-07 is almost here! I hope it passes without any announcements from them concerning the drones.

HJ
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Post by Latitude on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:11pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:07pm, hjdelight wrote:
I've already said I think we have a genuine break through here but on the small chance this is a viral marketing campaign for HALO 3......as was pointed out earlier.....the developers of that game, Bungie, have a fascination with the number "7" and 7-7-07 is almost here! I hope it passes without any announcements from them concerning the drones.

HJ


Of course it will pass. The Halo3 connection has always been ludicrous just like the Transformer connection. I find it very odd, however, that nothing was ever mentioned about a connection to the Roswell 60th Anniversary celebration. If I was to pick this as a viral that would have been my choice.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:22pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:43pm, beenieweenie wrote:
I (think) I've read all the pages of posts regarding this, and was curious - maybe I missed it - the Wikipedia UFO entry mentions this under the "Hoax" area, saying LMH was "fooled".... how did that come about?

Is it just some skeptic, or did I miss something?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufo


That's the first I've read about anyone coming out on such a globally read page saying such. The way the segment is written, it almost seems as though they're out to discredit LMH and C2C, more than they are to discredit the drone sightings... at least, that was my first impression.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:28pm

Well, let's get our list of Questions for Isaac together -- whether we can contact him, or he reads it here! AFter all the thread says to "ask Isaac"

Another question for Isaac:
While you were at CARET did they ever get one of the drones to operate? (I am thinking you said you didn't) What do you think it took to get them made. And, do you think the recent sightings are ones that the US back-engineered, are they actual alien craft, or some of both??

Copy all then add your own question (to keep all questions together in one place)
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Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:41pm

I just wanted to clarify that in my previous point by point post I wasn't implying that these craft were reverse engineered from the 1947 crash.

I used this famous case only as an example - the best documented one we have - of the probable existence and study of alien artifacts. "Isaac" dates his artifacts as being much more recent.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by AgentM on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:43pm

Yes MarkM is correct. Without fresh input we are left once again to speculative conversation.

Speculate this folks. Lets say that the government is actually employing ET technology after having the artifacts under study for the last 60 years or so.

Once more, What is it that they are doing with the drones?

If it is 3D holographic imaging on a deck inside NORAD or someplace equal, that is the ultimate surveillance because it is the same as if they are sitting there with you, watching, listening, recording.

That sounds overly paranoid.

What else could it be? Maybe they have only figured out the motorics and they themselves don't know what it does other than stealthily move about.

I would try and keep something secret if I had advanced technology that is yet fully understood.

Personally I feel that the linguistic side of this mystery is so advanced that we in our lives will never know. I speculate to myself that it may be some type of thought interface or reader that interpets commands (thought energy). And as Issac hinted the entire craft is involved in processing if required. As many molecules as needed to complete the funtion.
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Post by jugement on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:45pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 2:48pm, obie wrote:
Well I am new to this forum and so please excuse my ignorance. But the way I see it is that Issac gave us something for which we should be thankful. Instead he is being pursued and if succesful maybe he is arrested or maybe he justs shuts down.Trying to find him is not going to endear you to him quite the opposite I doubt if we will hear from him again why should he take a chance of getting caught. Are those who are trying to find him doing it just to prove how smart they are if and when they do out him Ingrates the lot of you!
I totaly agree with you I think that we should try and focus on wheather the craft is real or not , I have seen some prety inteligent annalist on this craft . I dont know but what they where saying about the tech and the photo shot and pcl ect, I dont have that gift like the many of you ,yet I have common sense to know that the tongue can get one hurt, if it is a hoax do two wrongs make a right. BY all means I dont mean this as an insult, yet I think we should consentrate on wheather the strang craft is real.Overstand
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Post by LangLee on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:48pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:43pm, beenieweenie wrote:
I (think) I've read all the pages of posts regarding this, and was curious - maybe I missed it - the Wikipedia UFO entry mentions this under the "Hoax" area, saying LMH was "fooled".... how did that come about?

Is it just some skeptic, or did I miss something?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufo


What a load of "double talk" that is.
I've seen videos......... none faked, simply studies of movement as is stated in their titles.
Faked pictures.......... the phone cam pics quality is poor, Lake Tahoe is crisp, Capitola speaks for themselves as I see it.
It is a hoax but it isn't because it's an ongoing investigation.
Sounds like there may be some fear of disclosure, that they may have to since this has come up.
If it's a hoax where's the proof of that ? Bring them forth and let's be done with this. I just can"t think of a good enough reason to do something like this, probably because I am not of warped enough mind to consider doing something...............so without worth.
Well not totally, I got to interact with some really cool people here and for that I will always be thankful.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:52pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:07pm, hjdelight wrote:
I've already said I think we have a genuine break through here but on the small chance this is a viral marketing campaign for HALO 3......as was pointed out earlier.....the developers of that game, Bungie, have a fascination with the number "7" and 7-7-07 is almost here! I hope it passes without any announcements from them concerning the drones.

HJ


it seems really strange to me that there's a picture of a drone hidden in the source code of one of those viral halo 3 sites. I just don't know when it was put in there
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:53pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:45pm, jugement wrote:
I totaly agree with you I think that we should try and focus on wheather the craft is real or not , I have seen some prety inteligent annalist on this craft . I dont know but what they where saying about the tech and the photo shot and pcl ect, I dont have that gift like the many of you ,yet I have common sense to know that the tongue can get one hurt, if it is a hoax do two wrongs make a right. BY all means I dont mean this as an insult, yet I think we should consentrate on wheather the strang craft is real.Overstand


You have plenty of gifts, Jugement smiley. And yes, the tongue can definitely get one hurt. Words can be many things, including a weapon. The internet makes it hard to know a persons motives, we can't see the soul behind the tongue.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:57pm

unauthorized sad
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by AgentM on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:58pm

Did somebody say Disclosure?

The combined body of evidence worldwide will soon speak for itself.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:59pm

Did someone already post this from Wikipedia.org?


* There have been two major elaborate UFO hoaxes in 2006 and 2007 one called SERPO the other called CHAD Drone/CARET with faked photos and videos that fooled investigative journalist Linda Moulton Howe at Earthfiles. Both hoaxes have been discussed extensively on Coast to Coast AM Talk Radio by Art Bell and George Noory. However, they have not decided they are hoaxes at the time of this report. What makes these two hoaxes noteworthy is claims that US intelligence agents, past and present are involved. Investigative reporter Gus Russo has written about these connections as has Sharon Weinberger (author of "Imaginary Weapons") on the Wired Danger Room Blog. Using Google will yield more details on these still emerging sophisticated hoaxes. See also Colin Bennett's online "Combat Diaries" from London on his investigations of them. Links to these documents and others are at

http://www.realityuncovered.com/index.shtml

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:00pm

shocked
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Student on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:01pm

MarkM wrote:

4. There is a decision being made - even as we type - about the direction that this will take in the days ahead. For several reasons, political, social, and otherwise, this may be the opportune time to orchestrate a revelation of this magnitude.

I think that if main stream media comes out with the story, they've decided to test the waters with Joe Public. They already know what we think.

I can't believe that Isaac wouldn't be tracked down easily... he gave too many hints. Perhaps his disclosure was sanctioned...and one day we hear it on CBS - or we won't hear from him again. Because if it wasn't sanctioned, they must be really PO'd
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by AgentM on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:10pm

[quote author=MarkM link=board=general&num=1183592541&start=255#17 date=If he is truly sincere in what he set out to accomplish, he'll put in another appearance soon. My prediction is within a week. [/quote]

Man I sure hope so.
I have the worst case of "Thread Head"
and my eyeballs are lookin' like two piss holes in the snow. grin
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by jugement on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:12pm

thanks markm,DO ANY OF YOU THINK IF SOMEONE DID LEARN HOW TO ACTIVATE A NEWER MODEL OF THE DRONES< COULD THE OLD ONES HAVE ACTIVATE THEMSELVES? huh
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by LangLee on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:15pm

This is another treasure from that place.....

Billy Meier, some of whose photographs have been discredited.

As in all summaries of UFO investigations why is the importance always on the explainable and not the unexplainable.
I so try to have faith in humankind, but it's extremely difficult when at least 87% of them are sleepwalking, whether forced or by choice.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by AgentM on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:17pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:10pm, sickmindfraud wrote:
Excellent work!


I agree! Excellent work at demonstrating that a pipe pig is not remotely relatated to a drone.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by LangLee on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:19pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:10pm, sickmindfraud wrote:
Excellent work!


That's so funny.......I've also got those shaped things on the bottom of a footstool in my living room.
I had better check for some of those symbols on the bottom of it now too.


Update : Nope, none, ziltch, I so wanted to hover tonite.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:24pm

I hope you have those stools nailed to the floor! laugh
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by radi on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:30pm

First let me say this is not a Debunking post. More of a "I Wonder If" post..
Since the release of an "Isaac" font by the work of cage1978 found here
http://www.mediafire.com/?abtmmahn1mx

I have been kicking this around and wondering about it. It may have come
up before but I did not see it. With the assumption of the "CARET" program
being plausible I was comparing the “ISAAC” font with the diagrams. Since
they are quite different in shape and weight between the two. I wonder if and
when the shapes and symbols are placed or etched on the materials would it make a difference if you had the same symbol but a slightly different shape, width, height or
weight would it be a totally different meaning and function all together..
User Image

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:35pm

"if you had the same symbol but a slightly different shape, width, height or weight would it be a totally different meaning and function all together..'

My guess would be yes. Any deviation - based on how I interpret the linguistics material - would change the response to the symbol.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by beenieweenie on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:40pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:59pm, urantia606 wrote:
Did someone already post this from Wikipedia.org?


* There have been two major elaborate UFO hoaxes in 2006 and 2007 one called SERPO the other called CHAD Drone/CARET with faked photos and videos that fooled investigative journalist Linda Moulton Howe at Earthfiles. Both hoaxes have been discussed extensively on Coast to Coast AM Talk Radio by Art Bell and George Noory. However, they have not decided they are hoaxes at the time of this report. What makes these two hoaxes noteworthy is claims that US intelligence agents, past and present are involved. Investigative reporter Gus Russo has written about these connections as has Sharon Weinberger (author of "Imaginary Weapons") on the Wired Danger Room Blog. Using Google will yield more details on these still emerging sophisticated hoaxes. See also Colin Bennett's online "Combat Diaries" from London on his investigations of them. Links to these documents and others are at

http://www.realityuncovered.com/index.shtml



I brought it up on page 15 of this thread, and yes - it has since been discussed. Hopefully someone will fix it.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:43pm

On the hidden Halo 3 wing image -

I know that I saw this addressed someplace else but I can't recall where, there's so much stuff! I think we're going to get into a "what came first the chicken or the egg" situation soon. We have already, actually, in that some of the folks newly embarked on this quest are getting confused by the CGI simulations, etc. Some think it's all about the images and have no idea there's witness testimony. The ones who've jumped in with CARET as the springboard have a lot of history to sort through. Pushing this into the future a bit, I think we're going to see some reverse engineering of our own. Groups jumping on the bandwagon to promote this, that, and the other thing. Incorporating pieces and parts into all sorts of imagery. This is another important reason for Isaac to provide additional material soon. It will become more and more difficult to keep the time line straight!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:48pm

Weenie:

I remember you brought it up but I felt it best to post the whole enchalada. This is nonsense imo.

The Serpo story and the Drones are extremely different in total presentation.

Yes, that quote needs to be edited.


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Post by radi on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:51pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:43pm, MarkM wrote:
On the hidden Halo 3 wing image -

I know that I saw this addressed someplace else but I can't recall where, there's so much stuff! I think we're going to get into a "what came first the chicken or the egg" situation soon. We have already, actually, in that some of the folks newly embarked on this quest are getting confused by the CGI simulations, etc. Some think it's all about the images and have no idea there's witness testimony. The ones who've jumped in with CARET as the springboard have a lot of history to sort through. Pushing this into the future a bit, I think we're going to see some reverse engineering of our own. Groups jumping on the bandwagon to promote this, that, and the other thing. Incorporating pieces and parts into all sorts of imagery. This is another important reason for Isaac to provide additional material soon. It will become more and more difficult to keep the time line straight!


Maybe eventually there will also be TV commercials using this material somehow. Or even there own version of videos..
Join Todays Army, you get to make this cool stuff.. grin
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:57pm

Join Today's Air Force And Pilot A UFO - Made In The USA!!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by 5150 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:11pm

Okay, I'm going to pose a very blunt question here and it is:

Why don't we - and I mean WE, you and me, not "the masses" - have PROOF of UFOs/Aliens? I mean, really, why are we ALWAYS having to research and hunt and search and drive ourselves nuts trying to figure this stuff out?!

Now, those may sound like simple quesions, but I'm really curious about this, and here's why: We have many people here who have been abducted (bless you ATO) and have had contact - most of whom I believe - but still...their reports are only anecdotal evidence. Why is it that the aliens only give supposed physical evidence to our inept, imperial governments and their agencies? Why is there no "average guy/gal" out there with a chunk of hardware such as Isaac's photographs illustrate? If their goal - as has been reported in some cases - to further human intelligence and galactic responsibility, then why haven't they given ME or YOU some serious evidence to convey to the world? Surely they know that we humans must see and touch something before we believe it, and yet they give US nothing...only governments get this stuff...

Where is the alien who says "Here..take THIS to your people as proof of our existence." That alien does not exist that I've found. We are always left searching and scapegoated...

This is evidence to me that the aliens do NOT have the best interest of everyday humans in mind. Apparently, aliens are in league with our own corrupt human governments, and this is disheartening to me...


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:13pm



I've had to work 12 hour days, 7 out of the last 8 days. I'm nowhere near being caught up with this thread (and its parent thread), but I did follow the Wikipedia link and read that piece.... that was an embarrassingly bad black eye for Wikipedia, IMO. I really don't understand the LMH hate on the internet. She really gets unmercifully slammed at the Coast to Coast AM official forums, especially by the female forum members. Seriously, they make the ATS forum look like a Richard Simmons support group in comparisonwink It is beyond my ability to figure out what Linda does to generate such hatred!?

I think Linda is doing as good, if not better, job than anyone else in covering the Dragonfly Drone/Isaac story. Just because she publishes or discusses something in the area of fringe science doesn't mean that she endorses the stories as being the gospel truth... she just reports them! I find a lot of professionalism in Linda's presentation and compilation of material.

If I had to guess, I'd say you're right ATO... jealously might be at the root of it all.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:38pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:11pm, 5150 wrote:
Okay, I'm going to pose a very blunt question here and it is:

Why don't we - and I mean WE, you and me, not "the masses" - have PROOF of UFOs/Aliens? I mean, really, why are we ALWAYS having to research and hunt and search and drive ourselves nuts trying to figure this stuff out?!

Now, those may sound like simple quesions, but I'm really curious about this, and here's why: We have many people here who have been abducted (bless you ATO) and have had contact - most of whom I believe - but still...their reports are only anecdotal evidence. Why is it that the aliens only give supposed physical evidence to our inept, imperial governments and their agencies? Why is there no "average guy/gal" out there with a chunk of hardware such as Isaac's photographs illustrate? If their goal - as has been reported in some cases - to further human intelligence and galactic responsibility, then why haven't they given ME or YOU some serious evidence to convey to the world? Surely they know that we humans must see and touch something before we believe it, and yet they give US nothing...only governments get this stuff...

Where is the alien who says "Here..take THIS to your people as proof of our existence." That alien does not exist that I've found. We are always left searching and scapegoated...

This is evidence to me that the aliens do NOT have the best interest of everyday humans in mind. Apparently, aliens are in league with our own corrupt human governments, and this is disheartening to me...



Lol they gave me something last night! A vision at 2:30 in the morning and different words about geometry, algebra and computer programming technology that I had no idea about. Only thing is... people will just say I am kooky... no real proof. But... I want people to read what happened last night -- ATO set up a special thread for it, so we can discuss the technology exposed by this "contact" I had last night.
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183141379&start=15

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:42pm

"Why is there no "average guy/gal" out there with a chunk of hardware"

My best answer to this is to recommend to you the new book "Witness To Roswell". What happened to the hundreds of average guys and gals that had pieces of alien material will break your heart.

It's never been about the hardware.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by 5150 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:45pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:38pm, castles4me wrote:
Lol they gave me something last night! A vision at 2:30 in the morning and different words about geometry, algebra and computer programming technology that I had no idea about. Only thing is... people will just say I am kooky... no real proof. But... I want people to read what happened last night -- ATO set up a special thread for it, so we can discuss the technology exposed by this "contact" I had last night.
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183141379&start=15

But, again, as much as I might believe you, what they gave you is only anecdotal. WHY do the governments have hardware and not US? If they can give you info, why can't they give you a chunk of something tangible?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:46pm

Hey, ONLOOKER:

Aren't you aware of how jealous women are of each other....especially if one is a worldwide success and the other is NOT. All very simple really.

5150: I have studied the UFO question for over 50 years. I have come to one conclusion.

Space aliens are very secretive. They generally have a hive mentality and have a degree of respect for people in authority, ie;, Governments and the military.

Aliens are fully aware of who is in charge and who is not.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by 5150 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:47pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:42pm, MarkM wrote:
"Why is there no "average guy/gal" out there with a chunk of hardware"

My best answer to this is to recommend to you the new book "Witness To Roswell". What happened to the hundreds of average guys and gals that had pieces of alien material will break your heart.

It's never been about the hardware.


Well, unfortunately, we've reached the point where it HAS to be about the hardware. NO ONE will believe US without hardware. Visions and stories are not enough. My point stands: Why do ONLY governments have hardware?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:51pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:46pm, urantia606 wrote:
Space aliens are very secretive. They generally have a hive mentality and have a degree of respect for people in authority, ie;, Governments and the military.

Aliens are fully aware of who is in charge and who is not.


This seems so true. Maybe it's about money. Isn't everything always about money lol
You know I didn't post this with my other post about last night, but I felt like last night when all of the images started happening in my head, that the reason the aliens are here is because (and I had written this down too!) "because their planet has been depleted of its natural resources."

so, maybe they give the governmental bodies technology (which equates to money) in exchange for use of our planet for whatever natural resources/energy, water, minerals, whatever... they need.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by beenieweenie on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:51pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:47pm, 5150 wrote:
Well, unfortunately, we've reached the point where it HAS to be about the hardware. NO ONE will believe US without hardware. Visions and stories are not enough. My point stands: Why do ONLY governments have hardware?


If an alien gave YOU hardware, what would you do with it? What would you expect to happen to you, if you exposed it to the public?


Chances are, the government would have possession of it faster than you can run with it.

Just my opinion, of course.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:53pm

5150:

Come to your senses my friend.

Governments have taken away what few artifacts people have had at the point of a gun or the threat of death

If you dare to talk about the UFO you saw at Roswell the government threatened to kill you and your family..

The history of our involvement with UFOs is not a pretty picture by a longshot.

It's all about keeping UFO technology out of our enemies (Russia - China,etc.) hands.

A very sad situation.




Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:54pm

FarmBoy - when you check back in, please go to this page and read Castles first post:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183141379&start=15

I think you can help us out here. Thank you!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:04pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:54pm, MarkM wrote:
FarmBoy - when you check back in, please go to this page and read Castles first post:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183141379&start=15

I think you can help us out here. Thank you!


Oh YES, Farmboy, please do... you are a great scientist, you can help figure out what all of those words mean in relation to each other. (I sure don't!)

It was so hard to post that story too. I figure everyone would think I am a kook. I have never had an experience like THAT -- not with aliens anyway -- I was shaking this morning to push the SEND button shocked
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:08pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:22pm, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
That's the first I've read about anyone coming out on such a globally read page saying such. The way the segment is written, it almost seems as though they're out to discredit LMH and C2C, more than they are to discredit the drone sightings... at least, that was my first impression.


Great perception. That is exactly what they've done. And that's why my anger. Underhanded and conniving come to mind. Much more comes to mind but I can't post it.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:14pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 8:52pm, pvtjoker75 wrote:
it seems really strange to me that there's a picture of a drone hidden in the source code of one of those viral halo 3 sites. I just don't know when it was put in there


pvtjoker, so was one of our articles coming back to our website. Ok, not all explanations are in that address I supplied the majority are toward the end of the Big Basin thread and around the middle of Isaac #1.

Essentially it was a form of advertising however, created on the Internet for their benefit and greater retail. Please look it up or cover those pages because we're completely done with the viral marketing campaign suspicions.

Not to mention, Halo3 is on the shelves and nothing was found in the Transformers movie. But the answer to those two is found in the other thread pages that I am not going to go look for because it's too much work and not necessary anymore.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:25pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:57pm, urantia606 wrote:
Join Today's Air Force And Pilot A UFO - Made In The USA!!


he, he

I needed this just now. While playing catch up on the pages just now I was so tired of seeing that HALO junk popping back up again but this brought a giggle. I'm almost me again. thx.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:38pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:45pm, 5150 wrote:
But, again, as much as I might believe you, what they gave you is only anecdotal. WHY do the governments have hardware and not US? If they can give you info, why can't they give you a chunk of something tangible?


Not to sound like a line out of the movie Contact, but this is the way they've been doing it for thousands of years. Meanwhile, mankind is unknowing as to what they've created themselves (especially technologically speaking) that was originally generated by aliens.

I've said it before, when I think about Edison, Bell, Tesla and Einstein in particular, I visual intervention by those the wiser. If just subliminal thought, something was creating ideas other then their own.

This would as well happen on a smaller scale for each individual.

Meanwhile, this gives us an advancement putting us where we needed to be in particular timeframe for whatever purpose.

There's one more sentence I need to put here but I'm seeking a word I can't find so I'll return and finish this when it pops in my head. Just woke up from nice nap.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:41pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:46pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hey, ONLOOKER:

Aren't you aware of how jealous women are of each other....especially if one is a worldwide success and the other is NOT. All very simple really.


Sure he is as am I and I'm a woman. Women are the worst usually but men are as bad when it has to do with their field. Not their looks or clothes, but their field and their work or expertise.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:45pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:53pm, urantia606 wrote:
5150:

Come to your senses my friend.
Governments have taken away what few artifacts people have had at the point of a gun or the threat of death
If you dare to talk about the UFO you saw at Roswell the government threatened to kill you and your family..
The history of our involvement with UFOs is not a pretty picture by a longshot.
It's all about keeping UFO technology out of our enemies (Russia - China,etc.) hands.
A very sad situation.


I think beenieweenie's statement was meant to be hypothetical as if they gave it to the individual on a one to one basis so that it be kept secret but still utilized and not after a crash site had been rummaged through.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by sickmindfraud on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:45pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 9:17pm, AgentM wrote:
I agree! Excellent work at demonstrating that a pipe pig is not remotely relatated to a drone.


LOL
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:47pm

He was right though sickmanfraud. Appeared a little rough around the edges. LOL
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:20am

I thought it might be helpful to have all of the questions for Isaac in one place. I started a new topic for that. I have a ton of questions, but I want to take a little time on some specific detailed questions.

Anyway, hopefully that new topic will make it easy to keep track of the questions and this thread can still be used to discuss news on this and discuss analysis.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183698983
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by jugement on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:37am

HEY ALL: (ato) itis 1
;20 eastern time . the greys are giving us this imfomation theyare sending siganals thru the televison. what I am telling you they are or told me in my dream thats what woke me up . I wemt to bed about 11:45. the( xt) is simalar to how tiger woods name is on his cap when he is playing golf see how the t, w; is combinded you can make since of what I write better than most when you stand back and look at what I wrote. et is combined together in the writings. Isaac is on the forum on this topic the craft is a projection from the greys they where tring to tell me somthing about Mark m. in my dream I keep telling them I dont understand what they want me to post besides what I have posted their are a few greys on the topic as well this is as clare sight as I could get from them, finaly this from what I get from them is not man made. they are the contact. I ask as I was almost fully awake when I go back to sleep will they tell me more. huh
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:42am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:37am, jugement wrote:
HEY ALL: (ato) itis 1
;20 eastern time . the greys are giving us this imfomation theyare sending siganals thru the televison. what I am telling you they are or told me in my dream thats what woke me up . I wemt to bed about 11:45. the( xt) is simalar to how tiger woods name is on his cap when he is playing golf see how the t, w; is combinded you can make since of what I write better than most when you stand back and look at what I wrote. et is combined together in the writings. Isaac is on the forum on this topic the craft is a projection from the greys they where tring to tell me somthing about Mark m. in my dream I keep telling them I dont understand what they want me to post besides what I have posted their are a few greys on the topic as well this is as clare sight as I could get from them, finaly this from what I get from them is not man made. they are the contact. I ask as I was almost fully awake when I go back to sleep will they tell me more. huh


Very profound jugement. Mark with be left curious wanting to know what the aliens had to say about him. lol

Oh well, he can't have everything now can he? Maybe it had to do with Mark's pictures. They are pretty alien pictures.

Go back to bed jugement, it's 1:35 a.m. where you live and you have a long day tomorrow.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by jugement on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:55am

hey I had stated to be knew you would go to my email ,I was right in time . cant say for sure about mark m dont have clear sight to him remember when they are their seems like hours yet only a few minutes. the hold message just pored into my mouth, the grey was on top of me I was not in fear, in anger of the greys prsents ontop of me I am geting chills all thru my body at this moment. got to go they are still here . trust me. HAD TO COME BACK THAT TASTE IN MY MOUTH< MY TONGUE NUMB MY HEAD LIKE DAZZED> THEN YOU KNOW IT IS HARD TO GET BACK TO SLEEP NOT AFRAID OF THEM LIKE I USE TO BE< THEY LEAVE ONCE THEY FEEL THREAT OF VIOLINTS I GOT ANGRY PROBLY WHY I DID NOT GET THE FULL MESSAGE> NOW I CAN GET SLEEP TRING TO WRITE ALL THAT CAME TRU CLEARLY>.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Farmboy on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:17am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:04pm, castles4me wrote:
Oh YES, Farmboy, please do... you are a great scientist, you can help figure out what all of those words mean in relation to each other. (I sure don't!) shocked


Hi Castle (man in , get it! I too am slap happy),
U r processing...the terms u r struggling with fit right in with dronology. By the way "drone" is now a MEME - "Drone" has become a cultural symbol...maybe a character descriptor of the decade, or year.

Me, I've taken down-time processing a touchy-feely issue (or instinctive challenge, to be more accurate)...

why and how does a normal person (albeit a forum poster...but that's another topic) take the underside markings from the drones, play around with a simple transpose operation, wind up with a seemingly nonsense string of symbols, then Google leads right to Clementine??!!huh All in about 10-15 minutes i bet! (Sure. "See Toto, even you can do it!").

Too much happening there to believe coincidence. How's this - it begins with a star system, visitors from said system who come to earth for whatever reason (maybe earth has a reputation across several galaxies..for its vacation spots, nice weather, tasty water or tasty mud, compliant governments, exciting TV....)...then as a return favor the visitors leave a tekky house gift much like a bag of peanuts at a zoo.

Then the government implements said gift into a drone craft which works, somewhat. The earth versions of ET tek have a tendency to break down in stromy weather, and they have this funny attraction to telephone wires. Government doesn't want to lose track of the drones. But government knows that if ordinary USAF markings are on the craft, the public will ignore seeing one floating around or lying on the ground...just wait for MIB to arrive and haul it away...meanwhile let's not stay here gawking.

so government says let's do something so simple and obvious it will be nth level of cleverness...let's mark each craft with the actual ET symbol for their system...so we can link ithe craft with our jpl file. Then we'll transpose the real string so it'll really make no sense. We know the public and especially the Casebook crew will spread the word about a sighting with weird symbols, we will monitor Casebook and bingo we'll have them work for us. No one will ever guess what those symbols mean....(pats on baacks, etc). And then, we can use Google as a free storage system for our highly confidential jpl far space contact files. Now, let's go to lunch.

Nooo? What then?


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:21am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:14pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
pvtjoker, so was one of our articles coming back to our website. Ok, not all explanations are in that address I supplied the majority are toward the end of the Big Basin thread and around the middle of Isaac #1.

Essentially it was a form of advertising however, created on the Internet for their benefit and greater retail. Please look it up or cover those pages because we're completely done with the viral marketing campaign suspicions.

Not to mention, Halo3 is on the shelves and nothing was found in the Transformers movie. But the answer to those two is found in the other thread pages that I am not going to go look for because it's too much work and not necessary anymore.



Hey True, Halo 3 doesn't come out until September....
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:23am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:21am, Miscreant wrote:
Hey True, Halo 3 doesn't come out until September....


I thought it was released. Whatever the case, it's prompting Google ads in all forums because the word HALO is being typed in their post. That's what I see is an old Internet ad gimmic that gives them more ink.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by radi on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:24am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:25pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
he, he

I needed this just now. While playing catch up on the pages just now I was so tired of seeing that HALO junk popping back up again but this brought a giggle. I'm almost me again. thx.


I was getting slap happy for a moment on this one..
Something real quick in photoshop In the not so distant future..
User Image
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Farmboy on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:26am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:42pm, MarkM wrote:
"Why is there no "average guy/gal" out there with a chunk of hardware"

It's never been about the hardware.


There must be warehouses full of hardware pieces and chaff. Sad.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:26am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:24am, radi wrote:
I was getting slap happy for a moment on this one..Not so distant future..
User Image


That's a perrrty one. lol Well, it was - it's not displaying the large picture anymore.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Jaydog97 on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:27am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 11:14pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
pvtjoker, so was one of our articles coming back to our website. Ok, not all explanations are in that address I supplied the majority are toward the end of the Big Basin thread and around the middle of Isaac #1.

Essentially it was a form of advertising however, created on the Internet for their benefit and greater retail. Please look it up or cover those pages because we're completely done with the viral marketing campaign suspicions.

Not to mention, Halo3 is on the shelves and nothing was found in the Transformers movie. But the answer to those two is found in the other thread pages that I am not going to go look for because it's too much work and not necessary anymore.



Just an observation...I find it ironic and somewhat hypocritical that many of you have completely dismissed this Halo idea yet you are open to so many others... lipsrsealed

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:29am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:27am, Jaydog97 wrote:
Just an observation...I find it ironic and somewhat hypocritical that many of you have completely dismissed this Halo idea yet you are open to so many others... lipsrsealed


We didn't dismiss it, we just moved it to another thread. The thread is still there. I just read the updates today and even your latest.

I like to keep the forks, knives and the spoons in different sections.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Farmboy on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:30am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:27am, Jaydog97 wrote:
Just an observation...I find it ironic and somewhat hypocritical that many of you have completely dismissed this Halo idea yet you are open to so many others... lipsrsealed


Have u seen the drone craft on the halo image pages? via that 27.com site.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:32am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:30am, Farmboy wrote:
Have u seen the drone craft on the halo image pages? via that 27.com site.


lol, uh no Farmboy tell us about it. And I'll kill ya! lol
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by radi on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:41am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:26am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That's a perrrty one. lol Well, it was - it's not displaying the large picture anymore.


Should be working now.. smiley
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Farmboy on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:48am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:32am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
lol, uh no Farmboy tell us about it. And I'll kill ya! lol


Sowwy. Before joining this thread, I had never heard of HALO except in the old timey HaloShampooHalo jingle. So, no further comment on a subject i haven't reached even amatuer level.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Farmboy on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:56am

The deafening silence is back. Feeling in the bones another Isaac item is about to happen. Bet - it will be details about the (1) IT system (Isaac's forte I think), or (2) gravity device assembly, A1-3, or stuff not yet mentioned ...(3) math (field equations), (4) travel mode...faster than light, space warp, interdimensional, ??, or (5) biology ...there are hints in the Isaac material that artificial intelligence might be involved.

To really burn out brain cells, Isaac should send some math equations.

I am certain they tried to translate the math that was given them, or they needed some math to progress in their segment effort (field equations, Shannon limits, etc). THis would be either highly complex, or devastingly simple... something earth science overlooked entirely in math that was set down long time ago, like the Riemann field tensor lectures in Germany (1854) that were not really comprehended until 2001 to solve the string theory block, and thereby clear a path to the 11th dimension.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Farmboy on Jul 6th, 2007, 02:10am

It occured to MarkM and I that there appears to be an absence of really big hitter tekky people commentng on dronology in the forums.

One explanation might be that the big hitters are under oath and are not saying much. maybe with Isaac they will start coming out of the wood work?

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battery back to zero, again...over and out.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Farmboy on Jul 6th, 2007, 02:20am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:56am, Farmboy wrote:
The deafening silence is back. Feeling in the bones another Isaac item is about to happen. Bet - it will be details about the (1) IT system (Isaac's forte I think), or (2) gravity device assembly, A1-3, or stuff not yet mentioned ...(3) math (field equations), (4) travel mode...faster than light, space warp, interdimensional, ??, or (5) biology ...there are hints in the Isaac material that artificial intelligence might be involved.

To really burn out brain cells, Isaac should send some math equations.


Next to hard ware evidence, Math evidence might be the key to Isaac's credibility. It will be very hard to dream up the math, and pretty easy to tell if they actually worked to an end point or even a mid-solution.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by wreckage on Jul 6th, 2007, 05:43am

<this is a direct copy of a message sent to OM - but I'm not proud smiley>

Ya know, I'm a huge skeptic as far as the 'strange' goes. I find no credence in 'clairvoyance', 'numerology', 'chanelling', etc., etc. - but this 'drone' saga has me interested.

I do observe some fundamental inconsistancies, such as the photographs that 'Isaac' has published (they could easily be fake), the non-reappearance of the drone photographers/witnesses, did 'onthefence' reply to Todd Swartz and what did he say?, were any visual recordings made of 'Ted Connors' observing the craft?, the apparent lack of professional investigation and, of course, my natural, human alarm bells telling me "this is ridiculous",

-but there are also several aspects of this case that indicate it's the real deal (the detail of Isaac's diagrams, the recorded statements from 'Shirley' and 'Ted', the email from Jack A. Sahakian and - and this is quite outstanding - the incredible time and effort involved in fabricating a hoax of this proportion - and for what? - and, of course, as you state, "...so much detail into every crevice..."

At this point, I'm almost slipping to the 'right' side of the fence. My 'common sense', however, will keep me firmly astride the fence for a while longer.

I would dearly like to know if any professional investigators are 'on the job', and what their opinions so far are.

Cheers.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 6th, 2007, 06:24am

Found this on virtuallystrange.net .... all these things out there that need to be 'confirmed'.......

MUFON Investigation Shows Drone Photos Hoaxed

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2007/jul/m05-001.shtml

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MUFON Investigation Shows Drone Photos Hoaxed
From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22.nul>
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:56:18 -0700
Archived: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:40:05 -0400
Subject: MUFON Investigation Shows Drone Photos Hoaxed


I received this on the MUFON LA mailing list and thought
it would be worth posting it here. I have examined the
related CARET docs and have detected some erroneous
statements on antigravity. The whole affair seems
contrived as a hoax, but why?

-Bill Hamilton

-----

Dear MUFON LA Members and Supporters,

Many of you have expressed your certainty that the alleged drone
photos which appear on C2C and Earthfiles are the real deal. I
decided to log on to MUFON.com, and see what the field
investigator assigned to the case came up with. Incidentally,
the investigator turned out to be the SSD for that district.
Befitting for such a high profile case, don’t you agree? Here
are his comments:



INVESTIGATION AND REPORT

May 16, 2007

The object in the attached images within this report first
appeared several weeks earlier on the Coast to Coast web site
page. This new witness report was posted May 12, 2007.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2022.html?theme=light

I had several trusted friends & experts in CGI (computer
generated Images) examine these images, as well as the earlier
Coast to Coast images. One examiner is Mr. Steve Neil who has
and continues to do computer generated images for the History
channels television program 'UFO Files'. The other effects
person is a Mr. Marc D' Antonio. He owns and operates a business
in Connecticut named FX Models. http://www.fxmodels.com/

Marc is a former MUFON Field investigator, and has taught
Astronomy for a number of years at a local area east coast
college. Both Marc & Steve I would consider well grounded and I
would consider them both 'non-skeptics' related to 'UFO's. They
think UFO's are 'real' and likely 'extraterrestral' in origin.
Marc works with computer generated images every day. Both
experts state all images of this object are clearly fakes. Mr.
D' Antonio is one of my valued expert contacts I network with in
studying UFO photographs. He has volunteered to assist in future
cases.

Marc examined the Coast to Coast images days earlier week (May
10) earlier. I contacted Marc again when this latest witness
report was posted on CMS shortly later (May 12, 2007).

Attached images have been studied by these two friends in the
Special visual computer effects industry. They both
independently state this object is clearly a CG fake.

Marc writes "Those of us in that community can look at and
immediately spot, fakery. I have to say that this one is not
actually even a GOOD fake."

Marc further writes:


Why?

In one of the images, you can see that the faker used, something
called "radiosity" to render the images. The technique allows
for more realistic images and makes things look very good, as if
lit by the sun in this case. Well, in ONE of the radiosity
images supposedly looking up at the 'fake ship' from directly
below it is clear that the faker didn't take care in setting his
settings for the renderer and you can see classic "radiosity
render artifacts" in the dark shadow areas of the CG craft. They
show up as mottling in the shadows instead of smooth
transitions. It is what happens when you want the rendering to
be finished quickly. If radiosity settings were used to make the
image look absolutely real, each image could take tens of hours
to render perhaps.

In another shot where the craft ought to have been some distance
away, it is sharp and clear as if there is suddenly no
atmospheric haze.

Finally, in one image the faker composited the craft to appear
behind tree branches. This is easy to perform. The faker used
something called an Alpha map which affords you JUST this
capability.

Sooner or later, I will bet that a 'video' will emerge, and the
faker is no doubt working on it but doesn't like the results I
guarantee because the radiosity renders take a long time to
render per frame and in motion, he has to get all his Photoshop
type filtering done on the fly within his rendering software and
it isn't as easy.

When I saw this I winced at how obvious the fakery is and how
utterly uneducated the coast to coast people are for falling for it.
The faker, named 'Chad' is a complete and total fabricator."

I have still sent a request to the above witness Email address
wishing a interview, following Mufon investigative proceedures.
I plan to play this interview 'dumb smart' (if it ever occurs
- but hope so) wishing to glean any further information if
possible and post it here. It maybe possible these images
submitted were hoaxed by someone else, rather than by the
witnesses themselves (names stated above).

I suspect the Coast to Coast web site appearance was a trial run
before posting here in the Mufon CMS. The attached images files
from Coast to Coast read in the image file text' the name
'McKinley'. The same witness name above in the witness report.

I seriously doubt the 'Coast to Coast' people may even know
about this authenticity issue.

As of May 16, 2007, I have not recieved any reply from these
witnesses.

Clearly a 'HOAX'. Case completed, but will reopen should I
recieve get a reply from the witness. (hopefully).

Very Respectfully,

Steve Reichmuth
Mufon - Northern California
SSD - Alameda / Contra Costa Co.
May 16, 2007 (20:19 hours)”

As you can see from his comments, Mr. Reichmuth is convinced
that the photos are a HOAX. So don’t get too excited. Know that
there are people out there who get their jollies from spoofing
the unsuspecting and gullible. Hey, don’t feel too bad. If it
makes you feel any better, I thought they looked real too. As
ancient Chinese proverb say; “believe nothing of what you hear,
and only half of what you see”. Or maybe that was Kwai Chang
Caine. No matter.

Steve R. Murillo

State Section Director
MUFON L.A.

=================
I don't know if this is old news, or what... but I don't think I've seen it posted here yet, soooooo, for what it's worth....there it is

-Central Scrutinizer



Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by reptile256 on Jul 6th, 2007, 06:36am

well, as i've said before, i'm not a professional, but the Chad photos are really giving a bad taste to the matter, certainly the worst of all the images.

and, as chad's drone has the "language" fonts from the Isaac report, it would mean the whole deal was bogus.

i'm now like 98% that this is a well planned hoax - better than the alien autopsy?

still can't forget the artifacts from the report, those are beautiful sad
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 6th, 2007, 06:56am

I'm still on the opinion of thinking that these are the real deal till I see/hear more supporting evidence then "joe bloggs expert claims these are clearly (to make everyone else feel stupid) a fake" comments.

If the creator of this 3d render comes to the fore-front and says sucked in - well I'll accept that, but till then... rolleyes
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Student on Jul 6th, 2007, 07:30am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 06:24am, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
Here is background on Bill Hamilton:

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/billham.html

And from Mufon LA website:
MUFON-LA
P.O. Box 94
El Segundo, CA 90245-0094
Hotline: 818-483-0864
Section Director: Stephen Murillo
contact@mufonla.com

So they appear to be the real deal.
The Northern California MUFON website does not list Steven Reichmuth as an investigator, but here is what I found on him – he appears to be the section director in Alameda Co (San Francisco area):


This is depressing, if true.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by wreckage on Jul 6th, 2007, 07:39am

"INVESTIGATION AND REPORT

May 16, 2007"

I wonder what he thinks NOW.
smiley
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Gort on Jul 6th, 2007, 07:48am


The current topic regarding UFOs that is in the mainstream media

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287643,00.html


To the UFO community this is preaching to the choir and probably not very interesting because it is not new and exciting, but merely confirms what we have suspected all along.

To those outside the UFO community it may be more significant and for this reason we may want to focus on this news item. By that I mean write in to the mainstream media, watch any videos, push it to the forefront as much as possible while it is a mainstream news item.

It almost seems as if the chad/Isaac episode was purposely timed as a diversion knowing full well that the UFO community hungry for something new would divert its attention from the Haut deathbed revelation.

Stephen Bassett was on Fox talking about this suggesting that all political candidates address this issue and this is exactly what is needed. If political candidates did address this it would at least elevate the issue one notch into the realm of public credibility.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Student on Jul 6th, 2007, 07:52am

Wreckage said

"INVESTIGATION AND REPORT

May 16, 2007"

I wonder what he thinks NOW


That last post of his was on June 26th - I haven't found anything since then.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Student on Jul 6th, 2007, 08:00am

June 26 was also the date Linda Howe came out with the Isaac story.

I'd like to know what Steve Reichmuth thinks about that part of the story...
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by wreckage on Jul 6th, 2007, 08:03am

I think most of us have known the Haut affidavit was coming for a while - and most of us read it days ago - but thank-you for bringing it to the attention of others.

The hard-core skeptics will say that it is the near-death meanderings of an old man who has changed his 'story' many times. For others it will be the "I told you so!" UFO story of the decade.

Either way, there is no aspect of this field that will attain credibility until absolutely credible 'evidence' is displayed on a stupid 'propaganda cube' (TV) for the masses to masticate on.

Let's hope that occurs soonish... smiley



Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 08:10am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 07:30am, Student wrote:
Four authoritative experts in Mufon and in the Hollywood special effects industry adamantly agree they are fakes.


Actually, there were only two that I know of and that was based on a cgi affect that has not really been approached on Chad's drone until then.

If there are two more, then they are two that were maybe convinced by the other two but as far as results from evidence, there has been none.

There's more here but I do not want to bring in the words from a particular person within the UFO community who commented on this yesterday with me by email. That would be for him to say.

End result was, the jealousy thing again. Men in this biz have a nut for LMH. You beat them at their own game and they'll drag you down. This we're seeing unfortunately from three completely different areas in the UFO community. It's jealousy plain and simple and a lack of evidence on their part outside of "words" alone.

Consequently, I dismissed the MUFON statement completely.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by wreckage on Jul 6th, 2007, 08:30am

"End result was, the jealousy thing again. Men in this biz have a nut for LMH. You beat them at their own game and they'll drag you down. This we're seeing unfortunately from three completely different areas in the UFO community. It's jealousy plain and simple and a lack of evidence on their part outside of "words" alone.

Consequently, I dismissed the MUFON statement completely."

..and rightly so, I would think (as of when that statement was released).

It's human nature to want more and more information - and it's also human nature to want to be the first to release that information. If there's one thing I have observed in this field, it's an almost fanatical willingness to be the first to jump on the current bandwagon so as not to appear left behind with almost no regard for 'evidence'.

What should be the goal of serious investigators, is to systematically analyse the available evidence, and then release only substantiatable information. .. and I'm sure there are those who do that - it's just incredibly difficult for the 'general public' (myself) to discern the wheat from the chaff.

Hey.. just like it happens with governments and corporate bosses. .. smiley

I see what you're saying re. LMH, though. It's tough on her, but it's also tough to regain lost credibility - and let's face it, she has made some 'blues' in her time. I will say though, that she certainly puts in a great deal of effort with 'Earthfiles'. I'm not quite her age, and my enthusiasm for anything is definitely on the wane... smiley

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by jlc767 on Jul 6th, 2007, 08:32am

Did anyone catch Jesse Marcel, Jr. on Fox News this morning? He was plugging his new book, The Roswell Legacy. Between foxnews.com UFO-related updates and broadcasts on live television (Buzz Aldrin with Neil Cavuto, Jesse Marcel, etc.), things have really been picking up. But then again it's the 60th anniversary of Roswell, so I suppose these things are expected...

Despite the past few pages concerning discredited imagery and hoax-mongering, I still have hope that we'll learn more, but I have a strong feeling we won't be hearing from "Isaac" anymore.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 6th, 2007, 08:49am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 02:20am, Farmboy wrote:
Next to hard ware evidence, Math evidence might be the key to Isaac's credibility. It will be very hard to dream up the math, and pretty easy to tell if they actually worked to an end point or even a mid-solution.


Farmboy.... did you see our requests (from Mark and me) to look at the "math" geometry, algebra and computer programming WORDS that I got in that vision the other night (supposedly from alien contact?) lol I know that sounds weird... but this might be the "Math evidence key to Isaac's credibility"

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183141379
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 09:00am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 08:30am, wreckage wrote:
I see what you're saying re. LMH, though. It's tough on her, but it's also tough to regain lost credibility - and let's face it, she has made some 'blues' in her time.


And, let's not forget MUFON certain. rolleyes

Quote:
I will say though, that she certainly puts in a great deal of effort with 'Earthfiles'.


I agree, I only wish though that she would organize her site a little better in there. There's too much confusion and I have to concentrate at what I'm doing since two stories may be melded together, confusing an issue. Maybe it's just me.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 09:01am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 08:49am, castles4me wrote:
Farmboy.... did you see our requests (from Mark and me) to look at the "math" geometry, algebra and computer programming WORDS that I got in that vision the other night (supposedly from alien contact?) lol I know that sounds weird... but this might be the "Math evidence key to Isaac's credibility"

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183141379


By the way, I'll continue working on that right now. Dead time - yeaaaah - a rarity. lol

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Gort on Jul 6th, 2007, 09:06am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 08:32am, jlc767 wrote:
Did anyone catch Jesse Marcel, Jr. on Fox News this morning? He was plugging his new book, The Roswell Legacy. Between foxnews.com UFO-related updates and broadcasts on live television (Buzz Aldrin with Neil Cavuto, Jesse Marcel, etc.), things have really been picking up. But then again it's the 60th anniversary of Roswell, so I suppose these things are expected...

Despite the past few pages concerning discredited imagery and hoax-mongering, I still have hope that we'll learn more, but I have a strong feeling we won't be hearing from "Isaac" anymore.


Yes that's my point. The mainstream media and average Joe American may now get a persuasive argument. Can you imagine how it would have been if Haut said it was a weather balloon?

So while this is a mainstream news item and while we may have known about it for some time, it's an opportunity to put the UFO issue at the forefront, and wouldn't it be great for a presidential politician to get a reporter's question about his stance on UFOs and government secrecy.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 6th, 2007, 09:29am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:46pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hey, ONLOOKER:

Aren't you aware of how jealous women are of each other....especially if one is a worldwide success and the other is NOT. All very simple really.


Yes, I'm aware of that, but this seems to go beyond the degree of jealousy one usually sees from that. Art Bell has made a big to do out of Linda's past status as Miss Idaho, and as a contestant in the Miss America pagent and that probably exacerbates the tendency of other women to view her that way.

Her critics on C2C's forums can't see that Linda is bringing forth first hand eyewitnesses to the drone sightings. They won't discuss the content of the testimony that the witness brings to the air, they'll only criticize Linda's mannerisms, tonal quality, and her tendency to ask steering questions.

Linda has brought 3 dragonfly drone witnesses testimonies to the air. That is more important to me than digital images, which can be easily faked, particularly without context and eyewitness testimony to substantiate them.

I met Linda back in 1991 and found her to be genuinely sincere in her interest and motives, even when the cameras and microphones weren't on her. She's a pro. If she has a fault, I'd say that she has a tendency to believe people too readily. She's a sincere person and seems to think that most everyone else is endowed with the same sincere nature she posseses. It has bit her several times in the past, but I do see her becoming a little more guarded about that in the last two years.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by RoH on Jul 6th, 2007, 09:48am

Who made Isaac's diagrams?
(who had the technology?)

Isaac wrote:
So, in 1984, the CARET program was created with the aim of harnessing the abilities of private industry in silicon valley and applying it to the ongoing task of understanding extra-terrestrial technology.

One of the best examples of the power of the tech sector was Xerox PARC, a research center in Palo Alto, CA. XPARC was responsible for some of the major milestones in the history of computing. While I never had the privilege of working there myself I did know many of the people who did and I can say that they were among the brightest engineers I ever knew.

XPARC served as one of the models for the CARET program’s first incarnation, a facility called the Palo Alto CARET Laboratory (PACL, lovingly pronounced “packle” during my time there). This was where I worked, along with numerous other civilians, under the auspices of military brass who were eager to find out how the tech sector made so much progress so quickly. My time at the DoD was a major factor behind why I was chosen, and in fact about 30+ others who were hired around the same time had also been at the Department about as long, but this was not the case for everyone. A couple of my co-workers were plucked right from places like IBM and, at least two of them came from XPARC itself. My DoD experience did make me more eligable for positions of management, however, which is how I have so much of this material in my possession to begin with.


I Suspect:
Xerox PARC (XPARC)
(PARC is a wholly owned subsidiary of Xerox Corporation.)

Look at PARC's History: http://www.parc.com/about/history/default.html

(1984-1986 "at least two of them came from XPARC itself")

XPARC = Xerox Palo Alto Research Center

CARET = Commercial Applications Research for Extraterrestrial Technology

PACL= Palo Alto Commercial Applications Research for Extraterrestrial Technology Laboratory

Quote:castles4me:
did you see our requests (from Mark and me) to look at the "math" geometry, algebra and computer programming

Google: "isaac's diagrams"
Understanding Natural Language with Diagrams:
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/novak/aaai90.html
Diagrams for Solving Physical Problems:
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/novak/chap94.html
This research was supported in part by the U.S. Army Research Office under contract DAAG29-84-K-0060. Computer equipment used in this research was donated by Hewlett Packard and Xerox Corporation.

They made the TOOLS to decode and compute all earth language.
Did they at the same time work on a secret TOOL to decode and compute the "Strange craft language" for lack of a better word.

Ask the experts on The PARC Forum:
http://www.parc.com/events/forum/default.php

Did you read my post about the turing machine?
Quote from PARC events:
What are the models of manufacturing analogous to the models of computing that Alan Turing invented to establish the mathematical and scientific foundations for computer science?
In short: it's time to put the Turing into Manufacturing

Google: Xerox Corporation turing machine

PARC main page:
http://www.parc.com/

I think they got the right technology for isaac's diagrams.

(xerox is commonly used as a synonym for "photocopy")





Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 6th, 2007, 09:54am

another interesting link for those that havent' seen... http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1271&category=Environment
It describes how the 'images' on the chad photo links to an early NASA project...
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 6th, 2007, 09:59am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 09:48am, RoH wrote:
Did you read my post about the turing machine?
[size=1]Quote from PARC events:
What are the models of manufacturing analogous to the models of computing that Alan Turing invented to establish the mathematical and scientific foundations for computer science?



very nice post!!

I did see your post in last locked thread about Turing machine.... you know... when I was researching the list of words that I got in the "vision" (read the other thread listed below if you don't know what I mean) But anywa... when I was researching the words -- just googling -- two of the words took me to sites that mentioned the Turing machine. A coincidencehuh
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:09am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:01am, castles4me wrote:
Can I just applaud you on your post.... it's posts like THIS that is going to make a difference solving the drone mystery...... not posts about HALO or Todd Schwartz.... or all of the other irrelevant babbling. When we ask intelligent questions... do research....


Indeed - I especially feel revamped after reading about how in the Acknowledgments of this documentation states...
Quote:
Acknowledgeements
This research was supported in part by the U.S. Army Research Office under contract DAAG29-84-K-0060. Computer equipment used in this research was donated by Hewlett Packard and Xerox Corporation.


It does keep sounding more promising as time goes by!

:edit:
and look what a google on the contract number brings up! DAAG29-84-K-0060 - very interesing...
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by RoH on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:13am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:01am, castles4me wrote:
Can I just applaud you on your post.... it's posts like THIS that is going to make a difference solving the drone mystery...... not posts about HALO or Todd Schwartz.... or all of the other irrelevant babbling. When we ask intelligent questions... do research....


You will find your words in the text of the Diagrams for Solving Physical Problems

"look at the "math" geometry, algebra and computer programming"

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:27am

Please also go over to that "other" thread and read about SCRIBE. There is definite cross over info here in terms of relevant technology and "real world" models.


http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183141379
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:28am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 09:54am, Scorpion wrote:
another interesting link for those that havent' seen... http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1271&category=Environment
It describes how the 'images' on the chad photo links to an early NASA project...


Within the link provided by Earthfiles/George, check out what I found: http://www.msss.com/

Also, within the link from George, you will find a DoD and NASA logo. Why is the Department of Defense interested in moon images?

>..sounds like the DoD is interested in something on the moon.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:29am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 07:30am, Student wrote:
Here is background on Bill Hamilton:

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/billham.html

And from Mufon LA website:
MUFON-LA
P.O. Box 94
El Segundo, CA 90245-0094
Hotline: 818-483-0864
Section Director: Stephen Murillo
contact@mufonla.com



Why so many people on ATS, Open Minds and Ufocasebook forums believe the pictures are real if they are very bad fakes ? This guy from Mufon sounds very pretentious to me. Are we in the forums stupid or partially-sighted people ? Are all the people working in graphic design being fooled ? Onthefence on OpenMinds works all day on 3D software and hasn't detected any proof of fakery.
This guy from Mufon is a little too confident in my opinion. Why is Mufon report so loose ? Couldn't they show us the pictures that prove the fakery because I can't see the issues they are talking about when I watch them closely.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:50am

on Jul 5th, 2007, 6:25pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
THEY HAVE NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER TO CALL CHAD AND ISAAC A HOAX SO PREMATURELY LIKE THAT.


i created a new entry in the discussion area called Hoax:

CHAD Drone/CARET has not been proved to be a hoax yet. The resemblance of the antigrav device and a pipe pig are vague at best and is no way indicitave of a hoax in any way. Before this is classified as a hoax, you'll have to do present much better evidence than that.

Planetfall 15:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:02am

Taking the same approach as George Pettite, I took the second set of characters found in the photo of the strange craft and entered it into google.

+L dxy

This is what came up: http://www.otmnet.org/

Check it out. It's apparently C++ Programming language for Astronomy software....very strange!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:03am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:58am, castles4me wrote:
The program's very name is ISAAC and it talks about all of the geometric properties in the ...
AND -- a very funny pun Mr. Isaac!! YOU GO BOY!! Calling yourself ISAAC -- I get it now... I get it now.


Is this where we start researching for another theory/law named C.H.A.D tongue
Seriously tho - this is uncovering something never seen before, and again - if it is all hoaxed, a VERY VERY clever well done, there are waaaaay to many links here to be pure co-incidence.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:04am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:02am, Miscreant wrote:
Taking the same approach as George Noory, I took the second set of characters found in the photo of the strange craft and entered it into google.

+L dxy

This is what came up: http://www.otmnet.org/

Check it out. It's apparently C++ Programming language for Astronomy software....very strange!

holy snot - that's fantastic!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:04am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:29am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
Why so many people on ATS, Open Minds and Ufocasebook forums believe the pictures are real if they are very bad fakes ? This guy from Mufon sounds very pretentious to me. Are we in the forums stupid or partially-sighted people ? Are all the people working in graphic design being fooled ? Onthefence on OpenMinds works all day on 3D software and hasn't detected any proof of fakery.
This guy from Mufon is a little too confident in my opinion. Why is Mufon report so loose ? Couldn't they show us the pictures that prove the fakery because I can't see the issues they are talking about when I watch them closely.


If and when the entire drone case is proved real that should be the day many so called researcher's heads should roll. This guy Stephen (this same guy pulled a fast one on OMF) should be the first to lose his position.

Stanton Freidman has played it smart. He said he has put the drone case into the grey bin, in other words undecided.

So let's keep a list of how these people in leadership roles come down on this. When it's all said and done we need to show no mercy and go after the false prophets and hold them accountable.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:09am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:58am, castles4me wrote:
OMG ROH! I clicked on that link for the Diagrams for Solving Physical Problems....
READ IT!!!
The program's very name is ISAAC and it talks about all of the geometric properties in the list of words I received the other day in the "vision." Who gonna call me crazy now??

AND -- a very funny pun Mr. Isaac!! YOU GO BOY!! Calling yourself ISAAC -- I get it now... I get it now.


Links and explanations please...!!!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:10am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:04am, Scorpion wrote:
holy snot - that's fantastic!


LOL!!!!!!! Perfect phrase!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:14am

http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/novak/cgi/isaacdemox.cgi

Does anyone more skilled in this know how to run the demo? Is there anything from the info that can be plugged in?

(I'm using a Mac, need Windows)
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Dontdenyme on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:17am

This is getting more than a little scary the further people are digging, as the previous poster states if this is a hoax it has been researched thoroughly. If it's not a hoax? I don't want to think about it because some of the later spiky drone images put shivers up my spine when i saw them, distinctly Alien.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:23am

Synchronistic or just coincidental? Issac looks to be a program for AI. http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/novak/ijcai77.html " target="_blank"> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/novak/ijcai77.html Ever feel like you're getting jerked around?

HJ
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:23am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:17am, Dontdenyme wrote:
This is getting more than a little scary the further people are digging, as the previous poster states if this is a hoax it has been researched thoroughly. If it's not a hoax? I don't want to think about it because some of the later spiky drone images put shivers up my spine when i saw them, distinctly Alien.


Nothing bad has happened. In addition, of all the photos that might be hoaxed, the one you reference is the most suspect.

Please, keep breathing smiley - we're in this together. If this is real, it's important for US to keep calm because many won't. Perhaps that's the test.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Easternbluestar on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:23am

It is evident a paradigm shift is in progress. Where this is taking us (humanity) is a concern. We as a world, are going to here alot of Morse code in the next 24 hours with the Global Warming Alert "Save the Earth" concert that is slated to begin in only hours.

The S O S sound will be a mainstream part of this concert which aims to connect to at least 2 billion viewers on television. 2 billiion! It could be the largest single television program ever to reach humanity, all the brain wave of Al Gore.

Will this drone start appearing more too?

EBS
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:24am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:09am, Miscreant wrote:
Links and explanations please...!!!


Go back about a page and read Roh's original post. Thats the thing with this thread.... you have to read each post in context with all of the previous posts.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:26am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:14am, MarkM wrote:
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/novak/cgi/isaacdemox.cgi

Does anyone more skilled in this know how to run the demo? Is there anything from the info that can be plugged in?

(I'm using a Mac, need Windows)

CGI script should run server side (the web host) so it shouldn't matter what client you have (IE, Opera, mozilla etc) btw,didn't run on mine, prob cause the code is very out of date for our browsers
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:28am

MarkM
You're the guy I go to for CGI analysis. Mufon's experts say it's hoax and not a very good one. Their explainations sound very plausible. Who do I believe?

HJ
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:33am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:23am, hjdelight wrote:
Synchronistic or just coincidental? Issac looks to be a program for AI. http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/novak/ijcai77.html " target="_blank"> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/novak/ijcai77.html Ever feel like you're getting jerked around?

HJ


Here we go again. rolleyes

Why is it so hard to stay focused? Is it because no new info has come in the last couple of weeks? So what do we do? We start grasping for anything that is no relation to the subject at hand. Get real people. Don't lose touch with your reasoning. This is how the Transformers connection started.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Dontdenyme on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:33am

OK THAT IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THIS!!:


http://www2.parc.com/csl/members/kedwards/default-parc.html


PARC FORUM EMPLOYEE PROFILE:

I’m a Principal Scientist in the Computer Science Lab (CSL) at the Palo Alto Research Center (PARC; formerly Xerox PARC). I also manage the Ubiquitous Computing research area here. My research centers around the infrastructure and systems concerns around building novel user interfaces, with a special interest in collaborative and “richly graphical” systems. I’m also interested in distributed object systems, the role of film craft and comic art in interaction design, and am something of a programming language dilettante.
Broadly, you could sum up my main research interests as looking at how aspects of distributed systems can “show through” and manifest themslves as part of user experience, and, in turn, the implications of that for the design of distributed systems:

Here's your money shot:

I’m probably in some government file someplace because I ordered the Roswell Report online. You can have a file on yourself too. Just click here. I work at PARC, where we actually get to use a lot of the technology that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-flying-saucer swap that followed Roswell. I also encountered evidence of alien visitation on my trip to Eastern Europe (see above).

WHAT THE HELL??






Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:34am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:28am, hjdelight wrote:
MarkM
You're the guy I go to for CGI analysis. Mufon's experts say it's hoax and not a very good one. Their explainations sound very plausible. Who do I believe?

HJ


Believe yourself.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:34am

I saw a show about UFO's and the bible. Abraham had been visited by a UFO/Alien, described in the bible as an angel of God. The way it was told made references to Flying Chariots etc...

Isaac is the son of Abraham. Any connection?

Can anyone remember the entire story? So much for my Catholic Education eh? Paid off mom!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:39am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:33am, Dontdenyme wrote:
OK THAT IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THIS!!:


http://www2.parc.com/csl/members/kedwards/default-parc.html


PARC FORUM EMPLOYEE PROFILE:

I’m a Principal Scientist in the Computer Science Lab (CSL) at the Palo Alto Research Center (PARC; formerly Xerox PARC). I also manage the Ubiquitous Computing research area here. My research centers around the infrastructure and systems concerns around building novel user interfaces, with a special interest in collaborative and “richly graphical” systems. I’m also interested in distributed object systems, the role of film craft and comic art in interaction design, and am something of a programming language dilettante.
Broadly, you could sum up my main research interests as looking at how aspects of distributed systems can “show through” and manifest themslves as part of user experience, and, in turn, the implications of that for the design of distributed systems:

Here's your money shot:

I’m probably in some government file someplace because I ordered the Roswell Report online. You can have a file on yourself too. Just click here. I work at PARC, where we actually get to use a lot of the technology that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-flying-saucer swap that followed Roswell. I also encountered evidence of alien visitation on my trip to Eastern Europe (see above).


We've already seen this one above before.

The ISAAC thing can very well be why Isaac called himself Isaac, based on the work of ISAAC. Mark and myself both looked at ISAAC very early on also.

Makes sense.

.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Dontdenyme on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:39am

This could very well be our hoaxer....
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:39am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:33am, Dontdenyme wrote:
OK THAT IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THIS!!:
http://www2.parc.com/csl/members/kedwards/default-parc.html

PARC FORUM EMPLOYEE PROFILE:

WHAT THE HELL??


WHAT THE HELL IS RIGHT!

I think we're on to something here people!!!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:41am

I found this after googling the contract number
http://dli.iiit.ac.in/ijcai/IJCAI-85-VOL1/PDF/106.pdf " target="_blank"> http://dli.iiit.ac.in/ijcai/IJCAI-85-VOL1/PDF/106.pdf

Is it just possible that the drones are independent of human control and are examples of AI? Interesting that Issac the program leads us there.

HJ
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:41am

Quote:
I work at PARC, where we actually get to use a lot of the technology that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-flying-saucer swap that followed Roswell.


Sounds like a missing Serpo revelation!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:42am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:34am, Miscreant wrote:
I saw a show about UFO's and the bible. Abraham had been visited by a UFO/Alien, described in the bible as an angel of God. The way it was told made references to Flying Chariots etc...

Isaac is the son of Abraham. Any connection?

Can anyone remember the entire story? So much for my Catholic Education eh? Paid off mom!


I think we all thought that originally but I prefer to think that he's referencing ISAAC, the M.I.T. program.

.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by GForce on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:44am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:28am, hjdelight wrote:
MarkM
You're the guy I go to for CGI analysis. Mufon's experts say it's hoax and not a very good one. Their explainations sound very plausible. Who do I believe?

HJ


I think for anyone to call it a hoax at this stage isn't an expert. Maybe for whatever reason they want to sweep it under the rug. But until ALL the evidence is out there I think we should keep an open mind.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:45am


Just for reasons of space, try not to take a members complete quote and just the necessary part, making sure that the last word of that q.u.o.t.e is >> [/quote]

These long copy/pastes aren't real necessary.

If you want to read the whole quote, click on the member quoted where it says (membername wrote). It'll take you right to that original post.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:46am

I called the number on the site for Keith, and got a voicemail for somebody named Mark.

I left a message!!! I said I was doing research for UFOCASEBOOK.com, and asked if he knew Keith.

"W. Keith Edwards
Palo Alto Research Center
3333 Coyote Hill Road
Palo Alto, California 94304
tel: +1 (650) 812-4405
fax: +1 (650) 812-4471
kedwards@parc.com "

Odd..to put this in there.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:49am

and yes, i've already sent through an email wink
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:50am

latitude wrote:

Here we go again.

Why is it so hard to stay focused? Is it because no new info has come in the last couple of weeks? So what do we do? We start grasping for anything that is no relation to the subject at hand. Get real people. Don't lose touch with your reasoning. This is how the Transformers connection started.


Just as you prefer no talk of gays and Jews, I would prefer you not respond to my postings. smiley

HJ
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:50am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:42am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I think we all thought that originally but I prefer to think that he's referencing ISAAC, the M.I.T. program.

.


Isn't PARC the son of XEROX PARC?...or even the successor to CARET?

...and to the people are getting kinda pissy about covering old ground, there are 101 pages to the old thread, and it's hard to search through that many pages.

We're just trying to help. We have new information that was obviously not covered before, but if we are going over the same old stuff, be kind about it, we are just excited about this drone business.

I think the links from typing in the characters found on the drones is the best lead so far.

By typing in +L dxy into google you get a link to a site for C++ Astromony software....I think this is very odd.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:52am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:46am, Miscreant wrote:
I called the number on the site for Keith, and got a voicemail for somebody named Mark.


Not ME - don't even go there smiley!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:54am

Lol! Yeah, that's funny. laugh

HJ
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:56am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:39am, Miscreant wrote:
WHAT THE HELL IS RIGHT!

I think we're on to something here people!!!


Besides being a computer Geek, what else are you seeing in him other then he works at PARC?

Here's his email address
kedwards@parc.com


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:59am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:52am, MarkM wrote:
Not ME - don't even go there smiley!


Now you have me worried!!!

My son is home alone today...I guess I should go get him.

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:56am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Besides being a computer Geek, what else are you seeing in him other then he works at PARC?

Here's his email address
kedwards@parc.com



Did you not read what he wrote further down on the page about Alien technology?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by beenieweenie on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:59am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:46am, Miscreant wrote:
I called the number on the site for Keith, and got a voicemail for somebody named Mark.

I left a message!!! I said I was doing research for UFOCASEBOOK.com, and asked if he knew Keith.

"W. Keith Edwards
Palo Alto Research Center
3333 Coyote Hill Road
Palo Alto, California 94304
tel: +1 (650) 812-4405
fax: +1 (650) 812-4471
kedwards@parc.com "

Odd..to put this in there.


Well, from Keith Edwards' actual webpage, I stumbled to an area where he notes that he recently switched jobs - he's back in Georgia now

http://www2.parc.com/csl/members/kedwards/


edit to add: ok, so maybe not "recently" - but in any case, I don't think he is in Palo Alto anymore.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:00pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:50am, Miscreant wrote:
Isn't PARC the son of XEROX PARC?...or even the successor to CARET?


PARC is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Xerox Corporation. Xerox is not a government entity.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:02pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:00pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
PARC is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Xerox Corporation. Xerox is not a government entity.


Why would it need to be Government? Alot of what we uncovered is civilian based. And, I thought they were separate now. I read somewhere on this site that PARC is no longer affiliated with XEROX.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:02pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:00pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
PARC is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Xerox Corporation. Xerox is not a government entity.


no, but the military contracted their independant technology - that's where this is all going smiley
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:06pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 09:29am, OnlookerDelay wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of that, but this seems to go beyond the degree of jealousy one usually sees from that. Art Bell has made a big to do out of Linda's past status as Miss Idaho, and as a contestant in the Miss America pagent and that probably exacerbates the tendency of other women to view her that way.

Her critics on C2C's forums can't see that Linda is bringing forth first hand eyewitnesses to the drone sightings. They won't discuss the content of the testimony that the witness brings to the air, they'll only criticize Linda's mannerisms, tonal quality, and her tendency to ask steering questions.

Linda has brought 3 dragonfly drone witnesses testimonies to the air. That is more important to me than digital images, which can be easily faked, particularly without context and eyewitness testimony to substantiate them.

I met Linda back in 1991 and found her to be genuinely sincere in her interest and motives, even when the cameras and microphones weren't on her. She's a pro. If she has a fault, I'd say that she has a tendency to believe people too readily. She's a sincere person and seems to think that most everyone else is endowed with the same sincere nature she posseses. It has bit her several times in the past, but I do see her becoming a little more guarded about that in the last two years.


AMEN TO THAT! AND RealityUnclear THAT SAYS AMEN, NOT AMEND.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:07pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:33am, Dontdenyme wrote:
OK THAT IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THIS!!:

http://www2.parc.com/csl/members/kedwards/default-parc.html



This guy is way too young to be Isaac -- and I would hope you all would have the COUTH to not reveal him in this forum.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:09pm

Obvious: this man is way too young to be "Isaac" - BUT - he could offer proof that the the program did in fact exist and was still active as of his employment with PARC.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:10pm

Great minds type alike wink
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:11pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:02pm, Scorpion wrote:
no, but the military contracted their independant technology - that's where this is all going smiley


We had this conversation in length in Isaac #1. I think we were all going out in left field assuming that Xerox would be made privy to something that requires weeks of training before anyone goes to work for the DoD.

I cannot picture the DoD utilizing Xerox for squwat. This is why Isaac said what he said.

Inside, we had everything we needed. State of the art hardware and a staff of over 200 computer scientists, electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, physicists and mathematicians.

The DoD does not go out and look for trouble. They keep their knowledge within the realm that it was designed for and hired the appropriate people accordingly, stealing them from their previous employer.
.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:12pm

Keith is now working elsewhere, here is his new online profile...
http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~keith/
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:13pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:07pm, castles4me wrote:
This guy is way too young to be Isaac -- and I would hope you all would have the COUTH to not reveal him in this forum.


Expose him in this forum? He came out with this information, so I have no problem outing him. If he had desired to not be known, then he wouldn't have put the site up in the first place.

Just my opinion. I think I may have had too much coffee today.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:16pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:11pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I cannot picture the DoD utilizing Xerox for squwat. This is why Isaac said what he said.


True, but they have to obtain the 'state of the art' hardware somewhere wink Plus there is clear mention that on the adventures they were 'supplying' their technology, doesn't necesarily mean they themselves worked with them hand in hand i spose shocked
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:17pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:09pm, MarkM wrote:
Obvious: this man is way too young to be "Isaac" - BUT - he could offer proof that the the program did in fact exist and was still active as of his employment with PARC.


That was the same identical thing you PMd me about. Now do you remember us doing this PARC thing via PM? We both looked at those same pages. I remember specifically seeing the Roswell statement made on his profile page.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:17pm

"¶ I’m probably in some government file someplace because I ordered the Roswell Report online. You can have a file on yourself too. Just click here. I work at PARC, where we actually get to use a lot of the technology that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-flying-saucer swap that followed Roswell. I also encountered evidence of alien visitation on my trip to Eastern Europe (see above). "


http://www2.parc.com/csl/members/kedwards/default-parc.html


a cheeky joke at best
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:17pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:50am, hjdelight wrote:
Just as you prefer no talk of gays and Jews, I would prefer you not respond to my postings. smiley

HJ


My post was not so much directed at you but was directed at the entire direction of that idea. Sorry if it appeared that way. I'll be more careful in the future. Sometimes it's tough to do the quotes because the quote history disappears. So don't take it personal, I was intending it to be toward more than one person.

But be advised that when something is posted it may come under scrutiny. I expect as much against any and all of my posts. I welcome it.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:19pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:16pm, Scorpion wrote:
True, but they have to obtain the 'state of the art' hardware somewhere wink Plus there is clear mention that on the adventures they were 'supplying' their technology, doesn't necesarily mean they themselves worked with them hand in hand i spose shocked


Yeah, they go over and ask for it. Are you kidding. Do you think that Xerox would turn away the U.S. Government. Xerox would have massive dollar signs in their eyes as they walked in the door. Xerox was always probably ready to show the government anything they had even in R & D for that matter.

The government was a big hunk of revenue for Xerox. Still is.


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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:21pm

This road may lead to our mysterious S1 technology:

Google "Ubiquitous Computing"

http://sandbox.xerox.com/ubicomp/
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Miscreant on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:23pm

...I guess I give up. My mind is fried. Carry on folks...it seems that no matter what I say it gets discounted by True anyway, even if it deserves to be re-evaluated.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:24pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:21pm, MarkM wrote:
This road may lead to our mysterious S1 technology:

Google "Ubiquitous Computing"

http://sandbox.xerox.com/ubicomp/

only problem is that technology was created the year AFTER ISAAC left PARC (or is that the point tongue It's late here and I'm well due for bed hehe)
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:25pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:21pm, MarkM wrote:
This road may lead to our mysterious S1 technology:

Google "Ubiquitous Computing"

http://sandbox.xerox.com/ubicomp/


Here, if you want to cut to the quick. This was also brought in during the #1 Isaac thread.

http://www.ubiq.com/hypertext/weiser/NomadicInteractive/sld001.htm


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:27pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:02pm, Miscreant wrote:
Why would it need to be Government? Alot of what we uncovered is civilian based. And, I thought they were separate now. I read somewhere on this site that PARC is no longer affiliated with XEROX.


What part was civilian based. CARET was government with civilians inside alongside military.

Quote:
On January 4, 2002, PARC was incorporated as a subsidiary company of Xerox, called Palo Alto Research Center Incorporated, i.e., PARC. Following the spin-off, PARC remains a wholly owned subsidiary of the Xerox Corporation. As of 2004, Xerox remained the company's largest customer, but PARC had also announced a multi-year relationship with Fujitsu and an entrance into biomedical sciences in partnership with the Scripps Research Institute of La Jolla, CA.


6836/1230ct
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:36pm

I don't have any better map than anyone else. I think that we're all trying very hard to unravel this and perhaps it's starting to show. If anyone here thinks that they do have the map, please share and spare us the frustration. Short of this happening, I suggest that we not throw up roadblocks.

Perhaps some of this is repetitive - we've been at this for a long time. I don't recall ever visiting the homepage for this Kieth individual. It in no way changes my opinion. Some of the information seems relevant in regards to the evolution of this type of programming, therefore it's not a waste of time to research the links. Knowledge is the key here, after all.

The important thing is that all or most of these recent links seem to connect in one form or another with the facilities and type of research projects mentioned by Isaac.

At this point, I don't think we can afford to ignore any of them.

Break time.
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:44pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:33am, Dontdenyme wrote:
OK THAT IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THIS!!:


http://www2.parc.com/csl/members/kedwards/default-parc.html


PARC FORUM EMPLOYEE PROFILE:

I’m a Principal Scientist in the Computer Science Lab (CSL) at the Palo Alto Research Center (PARC; formerly Xerox PARC). I also manage the Ubiquitous Computing research area here. My research centers around the infrastructure and systems concerns around building novel user interfaces, with a special interest in collaborative and “richly graphical” systems. I’m also interested in distributed object systems, the role of film craft and comic art in interaction design, and am something of a programming language dilettante.
Broadly, you could sum up my main research interests as looking at how aspects of distributed systems can “show through” and manifest themslves as part of user experience, and, in turn, the implications of that for the design of distributed systems:

Here's your money shot:

I’m probably in some government file someplace because I ordered the Roswell Report online. You can have a file on yourself too. Just click here. I work at PARC, where we actually get to use a lot of the technology that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-flying-saucer swap that followed Roswell. I also encountered evidence of alien visitation on my trip to Eastern Europe (see above).

WHAT THE HELL??






shocked I must that that's very very very interesting ! That must be the magic of internet (many people scratching their head and a huge database to search).
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by jlc767 on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:48pm

I was thinking about W. Keith Edwards' remark on his old Palo Alto personal website (regarding UFO technology/research)...

Quote:
...I work at PARC, where we actually get to use a lot of the technology that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-flying-saucer swap that followed Roswell. I also encountered evidence of alien visitation on my trip to Eastern Europe (see above).


...and it's obvious to me that it was spoken in jest. It seems logical to me that he probably wasn't working on the technology (because if he was he wouldn't have mentioned it at all).

So if we can assume he wouldn't mention it if he was working on such things (obvious), we can only assume that there was surreptitious banter (perhaps even nonchalant) within Palo Alto regarding would-be PAST UFO technology and research - right?

The simple fact that he even alludes to it (in jest or otherwise) is strong validation for Isaac's claim both to have worked there and for the leaked information regarding Palo Alto in general.

Did that make sense? I typed that pretty fast.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:56pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:17pm, j w wright wrote:
"¶ I’m probably in some government file someplace because I ordered the Roswell Report online. You can have a file on yourself too. Just click here. I work at PARC, where we actually get to use a lot of the technology that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-flying-saucer swap that followed Roswell. I also encountered evidence of alien visitation on my trip to Eastern Europe (see above). "


http://www2.parc.com/csl/members/kedwards/default-parc.html


a cheeky joke at best

Why did he erased it from his new CV if it's a joke ?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:58pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:48pm, jlc767 wrote:
I was thinking about W. Keith Edwards' remark on his old Palo Alto personal website (regarding UFO technology/research)...



...and it's obvious to me that it was spoken in jest. It seems logical to me that he probably wasn't working on the technology (because if he was he wouldn't have mentioned it at all).

So if we can assume he wouldn't mention it if he was working on such things (obvious), we can only assume that there was surreptitious banter (perhaps even nonchalant) within Palo Alto regarding would-be PAST UFO technology and research - right?

The simple fact that he even alludes to it (in jest or otherwise) is strong validation for Isaac's claim both to have worked there and for the leaked information regarding Palo Alto in general.

Did that make sense? I typed that pretty fast.


He's a UFO buff, this we already saw from his Roswell statement after the above statement, which essentially means that he has conviction that the U.S. Government is re-engineering alien spacecraft parts based on the Roswell crash, which many of us already believe.

However, the drone is not part of the Roswell crash. It's something much more recent. Reason being is that the timeframe CARET began was around 1983, almost 35 years after Roswell.

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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by jlc767 on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:59pm

Quote:
Why did he erased it from his new CV if it's a joke ?


Because he's an Associate Professor now. It was joke (or spoken in jest) in the first place; there's no need for it now after his apotheosis to the academic world.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 6th, 2007, 1:00pm

jlc767:

I agree with you....strong validation for Isaac.

I'd bet my last dollar that Keith Edwards was NOT joking.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 6th, 2007, 1:08pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:21pm, MarkM wrote:
This road may lead to our mysterious S1 technology:

Google "Ubiquitous Computing"

http://sandbox.xerox.com/ubicomp/


to RoH:
What is your take on thishuh
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by jugement on Jul 6th, 2007, 1:19pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 10:59am, castles4me wrote:
This will be my weirdest post yet.... but bear with me. Last night I awoke at 2:30 am. It was raining outside and I heard the beating of the raindrops but also a more steady rhythmic beating sound. Could have been hail hitting the window, but it was more rhythmic. By the time I became conscious the sound was gone. But immediately in my half asleep half awake state ethereal images went into my head and I saw a disc ufo turned upside down so I could see the underneath circle. Weird images went through my mind -- then I started "hearing" words. I say hearing but it wasn't audible. I just got the words in my head and I HAD to grab a piece of paper and write them all down.

Mind you... I am NOT a scientist. I am very spiritual and intuitive but I am just a regular person. Although I have a very high IQ (135) I did not go to college, and did not take college leve algebra or geometry classes, nor have I studied that field ( had to work, got married etc.) -- I do not know the meaning of almost all of the following words I heard, nor have I really ever heard of them or seen them. Take it for what you will.... call my crazy.... or maybe some of you scientists can figure this out.

(I will list them in order in yellow-- in case that means something) -- I have googled all of them to figure out what they mean --

Co-angular theorem math, geometry, also used in isotropic and orthotropic cylindars researched in hypersonic static ability of aerial flight.

Coaxial Integers math used in microwave and electromagnetic theory

Pythagorean Theorem geometry, three sides of a right triangle

Isosceles Inversion inversion is a geometric transformation (and something about non-expanding mapping?)

(Note -- two different website where I searched for info on the above words both gave me references to Euclidean geometry -- the study of the relationships between angles and distances in space.)

Interplanetary Alignment (self explanatory, I knew what that meant -- planets aligning)

General ASCII (heard of Ascii before of course, but..) ASCII codes represent text in computers, communications equipment, and other devices that work with text. Most modern character encodings — which support many more characters — have a historical basis in ASCII.

Disembodied Protegenes (yes this is how I wrote it down -- when I googled that the first site that came up is:
http://www.usyd.edu.au/baroquescience/Papers/ChenMorris_Keplers_pictorial_language.doc
Which describes Kepler's language - long and kind of weird article, but this sentence and much more was there: Their attempt was to reshuffle the new pictorial means (such as perspective) in order to form a scientific language, constituted from visible signs, that not only represent human knowledge and the physical world, but could also affect physical processes. This really reminds me of the description Isaac gave of the Linguistics

Binary Interdisciplinary Protocal computational algebraic software

Computational Matrixes matrix is linear algebra, study of linear transformation between two vector spaces, and I saw it on one website describing new techno called light-based computing -- visible light frequencies are used as computational surrogates for values in computational platform

Norwegian Infrared Technologies (yes this is what I "heard" and wrote it down lol) Infrared technology in Norway started at the Norwegian Defense Research Establishment (FFI) in the 1960s, and has since then spread to universities, other research institutes and industry. FFI has a large, integrated IR activity that includes research and development in IR detectors, optics design, optical coatings, advanced dewar design, modelling/simulation of IR scenes, and image analysis. Part of the integrated activity is a laboratory for more basic research in materials science and semiconductor physics, in which thin films of CdHgTe are grown by molecular beam epitaxy and processed into IR detectors by various techniques. FFI also has a lot of experience in research and development of tunable infrared lasers for various applications. Norwegian industrial activities include production of infrared homing anti-ship missiles, laser rangefinders, various infrared gas sensors, hyperspectral cameras, and fiberoptic sensor systems for structural health monitoring and offshore oil well diagnostics.

YES... weird post..... did I have a clue as to what any of that meant before I researched it this am?? NO. In fact, I was shocked that anything that I wrote down was actually something real. Not only was it all real, it is all correlated. This may or may not be related to the drones/and or Isaac, it could be just for the discoidal UFO's in general... either way, let me know what you think.
hi all;first off ,castles4me, dont feel crazy at all. their has been three of us that has had dreams. et will make you think you are halucinnating they play tricks as well as the hoaxters yet on a very higher scale. so speak your mind.drdil in that dream your name came up last night as well. Iwanted to find what castkes4me wrote before I wrote any thing down,I just got back in the house from back massage. IT was hard geting back to sleep last night they was still around. they seem to be two types of greys one of which was angry, drdil that picture you have on your forum name is the is the one that comunicated what I wrote inthe early mornin. I wrote about those being when I lived in georgia their color is brown they hang around for a while once they come into your present. IT is like they are courious and they always stau behind you . while yo are awake they never give you no messages they just watch what you do like a little child , they get right in your face while you are sleep. now hear this if they dont want you to reavel something, you will not be able to tell it you my hold it in for a long time or perhaps you my think you are crazy , you may become confuse ect, one of the things that I know thay control is that they can make you forget and they want let it come out right just like travis walton, he was not acting like that on his own they have the ablity to control our will.I have not read the two messages that some one sent and I got about 9 emails . I have no reason to lie I will not try to bust my brain to tell you what I know to be true.oh one more final thing I have been wanting to tell you all , this my come true and it my not after the dream I had of the strage craft about alittle over ayear ago, when those crafts land their will be humanoid beings they are tall they looked old i did not see any young people , quote their leader said I am the leader their where crowds of people the crafts was no more than 3 to 4feet off the ground hovering , it was like the lady was teling me that was they way that the first wave would be introduced to the public an old man came off the craft as well the others sated on board yet I got the since that they could see every thing going on as well as hear, thats the best I can tell you on that. I can tell you much more on when I am sleep and when I am wide awake. next time.I dont want to lose contac with them, they come as they please. wink
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Dontdenyme on Jul 6th, 2007, 1:31pm

Apologies if it was posted before but come on how important is it?

There is an employee that works/used to work for the Palo Alto Research Center that has a big interest in UFO's and CONSPIRACY.

He claims to know that PARC has UFO technology and have been using it from the Roswell crash site. Here is an employee that has a real interest in the subject and you can look at it two ways:

1. He knows information from the time Isaac was employed there, Isaac's claims based from the 80's that have bled off and other employees have heard about it through word of mouth, the timeline difference in my opinion is not an issue here.

OR:

2. This is our hoaxer, he is obviously an intelligent chap and thought he would string us along with an incredibly elaborate hoax. It is a subject that obviously fascinates him and he has the means to carry it off. I can't believe this was discussed before but not pursued, it's REALLY important in my eyes. Either way, did anyone investigate this line when it was first spotted??
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by jlc767 on Jul 6th, 2007, 1:41pm

2 is not likely.

1. he's an enthusiast

2. he's an Associate Professor now.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 6th, 2007, 1:42pm

Isaac stated

"One of the best examples of the power of the tech sector was Xerox PARC, a research center in Palo Alto, CA. XPARC was responsible for some of the major milestones in the history of computing. While I never had the privilege of working there myself I did know many of the people who did and I can say that they were among the brightest engineers I ever knew."

Isaac never worked at XPARC.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by beenieweenie on Jul 6th, 2007, 1:46pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 12:56pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
Why did he erased it from his new CV if it's a joke ?


Part of me thinks he is not the one who erased it - if so, why would he not update the page? (it still says he works there)

Also, his personal webpage still has it.

http://www.kedwards.com/life.html


eta: never mind - I was looking at the wrong thing - my bad!
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Post by Student on Jul 6th, 2007, 1:49pm

I googled "ARPA XEROX antigravity holographic projection" after reading the article on ubiquitous computing and found this (a coincidence, but interesting. Notice what they say about "one specific wavelength of light):

March 01, 2005

Be a Predator

Now the only Predator alien tech left is one of those handy wrist gauntlets with the variable(possibly vibrating) knives and enough explosive to wipe out a Mayan civilization.
The idea of a cloak of invisibility that hides objects from view has long been confined to the more improbable reaches of science fiction. But electronic engineers have now come up with a way to make one.
Andrea Alù and Nader Engheta of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia say that a 'plasmonic cover' could render objects "nearly invisible to an observer". Their idea remains just a proposal at this stage, but it doesn't obviously violate any laws of physics.
[...]
Pendry warns, however, that the concept as it stands is "no magic cloak", because it would have to be delicately tuned to suit each different object it hides. Perhaps even more of a drawback, he points out, is the fact that a particular shield only works for one specific wavelength of light.
An object might be made invisible in red light, say, but not in multiwavelength daylight.

October 20, 2006

Scientist Make a Thing Disappear

They've come a long way since March 2005. See above…
The new work points the way for an improved version that could hide people and objects from visible light.
Conceptually, the chance of adapting the concept to visible light is good, Schurig said in a telephone interview. But, he added, "From an engineering point of view it is very challenging."
The cloaking of a cylinder from microwaves comes just five months after Schurig and colleagues published their theory that it should be possible. Their work is reported in a paper in Friday's issue of the journal Science.
"We did this work very quickly ... and that led to a cloak that is not optimal," said co-author David R. Smith, also of Duke. "We know how to make a much better one."
The first working cloak was in only two dimensions and did cast a small shadow, Smith said. The next step is to go for three dimensions and to eliminate any shadow.
Viewers can see things because objects scatter the light that strikes them, reflecting some of it back to the eye.
"The cloak reduces both an object's reflection and its shadow, either of which would enable its detection," Smith said.
The cloak is made of metamaterials, which are mixtures of metal and circuit board materials such as ceramic, Teflon or fiber composite.
In an ideal situation, the cloak and the item it is hiding would be invisible. An observer would see whatever is beyond them, with no evidence the cloaked item exists.

http://www.groonk.net/blog/mt-archives/cat_technology.php



Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 6th, 2007, 2:02pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 1:49pm, Student wrote:
I googled "ARPA XEROX antigravity holographic Pendry warns, however, that the concept as it stands is "no magic cloak", because it would have to be delicately tuned to suit each different object it hides. Perhaps even more of a drawback, he points out, is the fact that a particular shield only works for one specific wavelength of light.
An object might be made invisible in red light, say, but not in multiwavelength daylight.


very good research Student..... we were really picking apart this type of topic before, but not too many articles posted about it THANKS.... and what I thought was so interesting is it is a confirmation from what I surmised from the discussions..... that the invisibility only works in one kind of light... hence its an optical illusion as we are looking at it through the light spectrum..... but cameras can pick them up (which is why so many UFO's get on film by accident) and I also think we could have special glasses to see the invisible if we are no longer looking in the same light frequency.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 6th, 2007, 2:08pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 02:20am, Farmboy wrote:
Next to hard ware evidence, Math evidence might be the key to Isaac's credibility. It will be very hard to dream up the math, and pretty easy to tell if they actually worked to an end point or even a mid-solution.


Very smart - some new math or a physics theorem that doesn't exist in the body of human knowledge would *really* be a smoking gun. Certainly this technology Isaac is presenting is based on a more intricate understanding of nature than we currently have, and goal number 1 of the extraction project is clearly understanding the theory of the device. He would have been privy to exactly this sort of information.

That said, the technology and capabilities he has already presented hold a lot of water when considered against some of the most common recurring phenomena reported in UFO sightings...

For example: if we extrapolate the capabilities of the A1 device for instance, generating multiple arbitrary gravity fields would allow a craft to accelerate at a near limitless rate while completely dampening the affects of inertia on the components or passengers inside. This would handily explain the speed/acceleration capabilities reported by so many UFO witnesses. Additionally, the impermeable gravity 'bubble' would protect a craft from atmospheric drag that would typically present practical limits to travel velocity within the atmosphere. It all fits together and makes intuitive sense. If he's making this stuff up, he's one smart cookie.

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the RSR phenomenon, but like I mentioned in the first paragraph, Isaac explaining the physics behind this (in a useful, quantitative way) would certainly give credence to his story.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 6th, 2007, 2:39pm

"We have been building versions of the infrastructure-to-come at PARC for the past four years, in the form of inch-, foot-, and yard-sized computers we call Tabs, Pads, and Boards. Our prototypes have sometimes succeeded, but more often failed to be invisible. From what we have learned, we are now exploring some new directions for ubicomp, including the famous "dangling string" display."

The above quote is the sort of thing Keith Edwards worked on. Notice the word 'invisible'.

This is where the computer screen can be anywhere in the room and is not visible. Even the keyboard can be projected onto a flat surface. No keyboard is used at all. All you see is a keyboard projected onto your desk. You may have seen these.

Holography comes to mind also.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Farmboy on Jul 6th, 2007, 2:40pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:50am, hjdelight wrote:
latitude wrote:

Here we go again.

Why is it so hard to stay focused? Is it because no new info has come in the last couple of weeks? So what do we do? We start grasping for anything that is no relation to the subject at hand. Get real people. Don't lose touch with your reasoning. This is how the Transformers connection started.
HJ


Totally agree about keeping focused, but think of the great advancement in vocabulary the crew has self-acquired. THis will allow for rapid evaluation/understanding of the next ISAAC release. lol (my new forumist lingo).
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by WT on Jul 6th, 2007, 2:44pm

The ISAAC software by Novak is written in Lisp language. Clementine has some roots in the Lisp and Prolog languages
http://www.poplog.org/talk/1999/msg00136.html
and is used for predictive analytics
http://www.spss.com/clementine/index.htm
using Artificial Intelligence neural networks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poplog

Could one use Clementine to understand our ISAAC diagrams?

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 6th, 2007, 2:47pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 2:40pm, Farmboy wrote:
[...] This will allow for rapid evaluation/understanding of the next ISAAC release. lol (my new forumist lingo).


Lets hope the next ISAAC releases don't follow The Matrix pattern... #1 is great, makes you think... #2 stops you from thinking ... #3 is so bad you wish you *couldn't* think wink
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by dhq on Jul 6th, 2007, 3:51pm

Hello everybody! I rarely post on message boards But I got upset because Im amazed at how many people Chad/Isaac have taken for a ride.

Yes, its a hoax and a sloppy one at that! I first caught wind of it simply by reading the text of the faked documents. "C.A.R.E.T"? Give me a break this insults my intelligence. The DoD has nothing better to do but to "extract" technology from alien devices simply to make commercial pipeline gauges (pigs) that sometimes do not even work well? The reason I say this is because some on this message board beleive the DoD may have taken out a patent for it. Actually, if you go back and read the text (if some of you mental giants even cared to read) the black device is claimed to be an anti-gravity device which modern phisycs says is impossible. The text also says nothing useful that coud be verified, only superficial remarks regarding the outer structure of the device. Any person who has experience writing and with document structure will easily see the documents as second rate.

I have also had an expert who works in the manufacturing of pipeline devices look at the pictures, and yep, its a dressed up pipeline gauge. How many of you on this board are experts in this field?

As to the posters who claim that there are similarities but neverheless are different devices, did it ever occur to you that the reason for this is do to the fact that they are different models of pipeline pigs? Or different manufaures? A Honda and a Toyata have similarities but are different, nevertheless, they are still cars. Hello people, wake up!

In this site you'll find more pics of pipeline pigs:WWW.PPSA-ONLINE.COM.ABOUT-PIGS.PHP

Some are already looking into to see if the pipeline pig in the Isaac pics is a stolen or vandalized one.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:01pm

dhq:

Sorry you have come a little late to the party. For some reason the idea of 'hit and run' comes to mind.

The pipeline pig connection was discounted quite a while back.

Yes, we're quite aware of the many different pipeline pigs.

Thanks for the input but we continue to persist.

Maybe Roswell didn't happen either. What's your take on Roswell?


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:03pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 3:51pm, dhq wrote:
Hello everybody! I rarely post on message boards But I got upset because Im amazed at how many people Chad/Isaac have taken for a ride.


If we're so stupid don't get mixed with us... Stay away you could turn stupid speaking with us. We've discussed about the pipeline pig and we're not convinced at all (find the previous post about CD's and pancakes). It's not compulsory to agree with us but you could explain your point of view in a much nicer way.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by dhq on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:21pm

urantia606:

I know I am late but that is beside the point.

You'll have more luck reaserching anti-gravity, physics, and "lifters" if you wish to continue with this subject.

Regarding Roswell give me a day or two and I'll get back.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:25pm

dhq:

If you have any info or an opinion on Roswell...we'd love to hear your views. I've an open mind on the topic.

Also, if your have any pertinent info on 'lifters, etc.' feel free to post it.

I'll watch for your post on the ufo crash at Roswell in 1947.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:29pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 3:51pm, dhq wrote:
The DoD has nothing better to do but to "extract" technology from alien devices simply to make commercial pipeline gauges (pigs) that sometimes do not even work well?


the DoD does many other things, not simply one task, as you might imagine.

the pipe pig resemblance is superficial, it is proof of (get this) NOTHING.

ever notice how resistors resemble teeny tiny soda 2 litre bottles?

does that mean resistors cant possibly exist?

Quote:
the black device is claimed to be an anti-gravity device which modern phisycs says is impossible.


cite your source, i follow physics very closely and have yet to come across such a claim

Quote:
Any person who has experience writing and with document structure will easily see the documents as second rate.


not everyone who writes technical documents is a ralph waldo emerson. i work with many high level tech documents, they are all very dry and obvious. they have to be.

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I have also had an expert who works in the manufacturing of pipeline devices look at the pictures, and yep, its a dressed up pipeline gauge.


it would be easier to build an antigravity prop from scratch than to 'dress' one up. perhaps you should be more observant, why not take a very close look at the detail of both apparatus?

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In this site you'll find more pics of pipeline WWW.PPSA-ONLINE.COM.ABOUT-PIGS.PHP


but apparently not what they look like. show us a pig that resembles the anti grav, else be gone.

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Some are already looking into to see if the pipeline pig in the Isaac pics is a stolen or vandalized one.


and who are these 'some'?
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Post by dhq on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:31pm

To all:

I'm sincerely sorry for my language. I don't think anybody on this board is stupid. I just get too impatient with sloppy hoaxers.

As to the pig, yes I did have an expert in the field of pipeline pigs look at it and identified it as one. They are trying to figure out who manufatures it. "Pigging" has been around before the DoD existed when it was called the Department of War. The methods were different back then, using straw and wires.


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Post by dhq on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:41pm

J W Wright:

Thanks for your remarks. I think you got me on the physics part, but I'll get back with you on that.

These "some" are: ppsa with its hundreds of members.

It do not mean its actually stolen but they are trying to identify the manufature and then go from there.
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Post by j w wright on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:45pm

so far, no anti grav match:

http://images.google.com/images?q=pipeline+pig&ndsp=21&svnum=100&um=1&hl=en&lr=lang_en&newwindow=1&safe=off&start=0&sa=N

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those look like flying saucers! maybe thats what everyones been seeing!

you have nothing.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:45pm


on Jul 6th, 2007, 3:51pm, dhq wrote:
Hello everybody! I rarely post on message boards But I got upset because Im amazed at how many people Chad/Isaac have taken for a ride.


** Starting off on wrong foot **

We accept healthy skepticism however you must bring in some piece of evidence or proof for each item that you are talking about. Instead, your paragraph is nothing but an attempt to debunk.

SKEPTICISM and DEBUNKING
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=tips&action=display&num=1110310681



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Post by j w wright on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:53pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:41pm, dhq wrote:
J W Wright:

These "some" are: ppsa with its hundreds of members.


perfect, i work for parker hannifin, at corp hq. we have products for every industry that uses pipeline pigs. i'll run the anti grav device past our field guys and let them tell me what they think it is

should be interesting and amusing

it would also be much easier to create the object in 3d,
than to secure an expensive pipe pig and go to the trouble and expense to 'dress it up'

whatever the antigrav is, real or fake, it has a grand total of nothing to do with pipe pigs


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Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:56pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:25pm, urantia606 wrote:
dhq:

If you have any info or an opinion on Roswell...we'd love to hear your views. I've an open mind on the topic.
I'll watch for your post on the ufo crash at Roswell in 1947.


If you do have information or an opinion, please post it at the following address.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183652141

Thx



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Post by jugement on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:04pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 07:39am, wreckage wrote:
"INVESTIGATION AND REPORT

May 16, 2007"

I wonder what he thinks NOW.
smiley
wow I have received 136 emails on this subject.atand t walked to my front door about 2:30 today telling me that he was going to help me get high speed internet for 51 dollars a month yet in the back ground about 5 police cars kept driving by waving , goverment? the flesh is willing. wink
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Post by Fencesitter on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:06pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 3:51pm, dhq wrote:
Any person who has experience writing and with document structure will easily see the documents as second rate.


DHQ, I have a great deal of experience with professional writing - technical and otherwise. Since you rely so heavily on expert advice, I would inform you that as an expert in the field, I deem this to be a well organized, clear and cohesive document, and is completely in line with what I would expect from the first few pages of a larger quarterly research report*. I would not be surprised to see this excerpt presented as part of an experienced writer's portfolio, and have certainly seen worse samples penned by men and women who make their living by the written word.

I would also bring to your attention that at least based on your posts, you are equally obviously not an experienced writer, and as such are not qualified to make judgments on the writing samples supplied. In fact, based on your assessment, I would doubt you even took the time to read the materials any further than flipping through to the pictures.

Real or falsified, the document is well-written and in line with what one should expect from such a report. If you plan on debunking this intelligently, you should focus on the content, or at least some facet of the presented materials with which you have some experience.

*Conspicuously absent is the table of contents. I suspect this is the 'page 1' which has not been supplied.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:11pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:21pm, dhq wrote:
urantia606:

I know I am late but that is beside the point.

You'll have more luck reaserching anti-gravity, physics, and "lifters" if you wish to continue with this subject.

Regarding Roswell give me a day or two and I'll get back.


So let me get this straight. This guy is gonna come here and tell us we don't understand and he is not even familiar with Roswell? rolleyes To that I say go back to your pipe pigs and let us discuss what we know.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:17pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:31pm, dhq wrote:
As to the pig, yes I did have an expert in the field of pipeline pigs look at it and identified it as one. They are trying to figure out who manufatures it. "Pigging" has been around before the DoD existed when it was called the Department of War. The methods were different back then, using straw and wires.


I think that PIG might be leading you down a RABBIT hole -- and it has nothing to do with anti-gravity or the government. Unless it's used at all of those covert, pipe snaking, secret mountain facilities.
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Post by Nephilim on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:31pm

Many here have personally whitnessed the UFO phenomena. So-called 'modern scientists' seem to trip over one another in desperate effort to convince you the technology isn't possible, when you know for certain it is real.

There can be several motives for this. Some are so arrogant that they simply do not wish to think about something they cannot explain, this is a blow to their ego, a major character flaw. Others are bound to secrecy and even if they wanted to explain this, they will not due to fear or loyalty issues.

This leads us to the unfortunate path of researching the individual and their possible motives for their statements. All of this derails us from the task at hand.

Wether ET or human made is a side issue to the fact the tech is real. Even if this Isaac fella is just a ghost, or if the strange craft is false, it shouldn't lesson the UFO phenomena's significance.

I'm not saying, "don't look at what scientists say," but rather, don't blindly believe anything they say. Look into each thing for yourself, or at least take the information to one who may have a better understanding, one who you are more willing to trust, as some of us are not too mathmatecly inclined [myself included].

Having said this, I do not think anyone in here is blind to the possibility that the strange craft may be false, so to me, all efforts are valued. Do not put someone down for seeking the truth.

Even with that hole digging pig thing. The person was just putting up an idea. IMO, all ideas here are open to research, and hopefully can be figured out as either conncected and relevant, or not connected and irrelevant to the case, but the person's effort or idea isn't irrelevant as it becomes one step closer to the resolution of fact or false concerning the case as a whole.

I think ATO said a while back something to the effect that if their is an idea out there, best to voice it, so we can research it and be done with it. This prevents further confussion in the future and allows everyone to get back to finding the truth of the matter.

It is hard to stay on the path to truth.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:40pm

On June 28th the I.S.A.A.C Artificial Intelligence Algorithm was released to the general public:
http://www.codeproject.com/Purgatory/ISAAC.asp

Fascinating read, reminds me of Hal smiley
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Post by beenieweenie on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:50pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:31pm, dhq wrote:

As to the pig, yes I did have an expert in the field of pipeline pigs look at it and identified it as one.


Well, see the problem with that is I did have an expert in the field of microbiology look at it and identified it as a microbe, like this one.

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Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:51pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:40pm, MarkM wrote:
On June 28th the I.S.A.A.C Artificial Intelligence Algorithm was released to the general public:
http://www.codeproject.com/Purgatory/ISAAC.asp

Fascinating read, reminds me of Hal smiley

My mind is going..............................
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:55pm

couldnt resist!:

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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:59pm

Woah, ATO too many forum windows open?
That was quick.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:59pm

Actual quote from Dr. Keith Edwards, Phd., resume:

From there I moved on to Xerox PARC, where I'm a senior member of the research staff, and get to play with a bunch of the technologies that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-tech swap after Roswell.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:02pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:59pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
?

Either I'm seeing things or you just posted a ROH quote relating to the, telekinetic castles4me message, which disappeared instantly.
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Post by beenieweenie on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:04pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:59pm, urantia606 wrote:
Actual quote from Dr. Keith Edwards, Phd., resume:

From there I moved on to Xerox PARC, where I'm a senior member of the research staff, and get to play with a bunch of the technologies that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-tech swap after Roswell.


I find it interesting that on the PARC site, he worded it a little differently - "I work at PARC, where we actually get to use a lot of the technology that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-flying-saucer swap that followed Roswell. "
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:05pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:02pm, DrDil wrote:
Either I'm seeing things or you just posted a ROH quote relating to the, telekinetic castles4me message, which disappeared instantly.


Yes I did. Needed to see something that I could not see without posting it. Saw what I needed to see and deleted it. eek, eek Give this little guy a sec to speak to you. It has a lag.

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:08pm


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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by StayFocused on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:16pm

So, LMH has moved on to a story about some mutant squid octopus thing. I guess there's nothing further to report on the this whole Isaac business... WTF?!!!

http://www.earthfiles.com/

I've been thinking a bit lately about how Isaac could possibly protect his identity from the PTB/MIB/DoD agents that would presumably be looking for him if this whole drama was real.

We know that he's been in contact with C2C and LMH right? And there has been email correspondence back and forth between them right?

So would it be a big stretch for the MIBs to track this guy down? Surely the MIBs can use ISP logs to track down the source of Isaac's emails. Even if Isaac is using an anonymous email account isn't it possible to track down the physical location of the source of an email?


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:19pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:16pm, StayFocused wrote:
So, LMH has moved on to a story about some mutant squid octopus thing. I guess there's nothing further to report on the this whole Isaac business... WTF?!!!

Paying subscribers to please/recruit and I guess they're not all UFO buffs.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:20pm

I think someone mentioned LMH being on vacation? Do we know that for sure?

I still think that - if this is the real deal - it's being allowed to unfold, hence no MIB at Isaacs door.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:25pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:16pm, StayFocused wrote:
So, LMH has moved on to a story about some mutant squid octopus thing. I guess there's nothing further to report on the this whole Isaac business... WTF?!!!

http://www.earthfiles.com/

I've been thinking a bit lately about how Isaac could possibly protect his identity from the PTB/MIB/DoD agents that would presumably be looking for him if this whole drama was real.

We know that he's been in contact with C2C and LMH right? And there has been email correspondence back and forth between them right?

So would it be a big stretch for the MIBs to track this guy down? Surely the MIBs can use ISP logs to track down the source of Isaac's emails. Even if Isaac is using an anonymous email account isn't it possible to track down the physical location of the source of an email?



Actually, this crossed my mind today and I think it wouldn't hurt to go back to the subject.

1. Todd Schwartz contacted Isaac and said, GUESS WHAT?

2. Isaac realizes that the world knows who his attorney is.

3. Isaac's thinking now - there's no way I'm going to give them anymore info because he's scared to do so now that everyone knows who his attorney is.

4. By sitting on that info, the government could come in with a subpoenia and take it away as well as Isaac.

5. We need to bug that attorney.

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:28pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:20pm, MarkM wrote:
I think someone mentioned LMH being on vacation? Do we know that for sure?

I still think that - if this is the real deal - it's being allowed to unfold, hence no MIB at Isaacs door.


I don't know about that but I know that her email is maxed. I got one back today stating, that the receiver had too much mail and to send it at a later date. I've never, ever seen such a thing like that. I've seen plenty Daemon Mailers but not that.
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:30pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:04pm, beenieweenie wrote:
in the abductee-for-flying-saucer swap that followed Roswell. "

Could someone explain me what this means? Thanks.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:31pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:30pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
Could someone explain me what this means? Thanks.


Never heard of it. I've heard of such things on other cases but not Roswell. I find it hard to believe anyway. The aliens take, they never ask.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:33pm

Concerning Isaac, his information and his attorney.

It's always best to call a news conference and go public with this sort of info.

If you don't ....you live in constant anxiety.

It's not worth it.

Besides that, consider the position Isaac has put his attorney in.


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Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:33pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:05pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Yes I did. Needed to see something that I could not see without posting it. Saw what I needed to see and deleted it. eek, eek Give this little guy a sec to speak to you. It has a lag.

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Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:42pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:30pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
Could someone explain me what this means? Thanks.

It's one of the plethora of conspiracy theorists wet dreams that revel in their own semi-clandestine paranoia, basically it goes something like after the Roswell crash of '47 (<--insert relevant UFO crash site) that contact was established with an advanced alien race, and the shadow government then proceeded to strike a deal whereas they could abduct a finite number of humans and the shadow government would hide/dismiss/erase/deny all knowledge in return for favours of an advanced technological persuasion. Such as the anti-grav device/generator.

Or is it the truth........................................
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:43pm

That's a good one DrDil - that's the best.

A point I want to bring out about (of all things) HALO3 is this.

Look at the front board TOP. You'll see the following..

Isaac Taylor
Advice from Isaac Taylor on the Value of Meditation
www.swamij.com

That is being prompted due to the fact that we are typing the word (Isaac).

This is what Google ads do, which are in many, many websites.

Within the Open Mind Forum are Google Ads. Those Google ads are being prompted by the word HALO3, which I'm sure was a planned affair.

So, the plan was to get HALO3 into various websites that had the (age group) that purchases their products. Not only do UFO/alien websites appeal to that age group, UFO/alien buffs are also notorious for being gamers.

Anyway, I thought I would bring this up (as much as I'm tired of it) so you can see first hand how those ads work.

Consequently, it's still working for HALO3 and they will sell masses of games - not to mention, they made a much big name for themselves - this time around.

So sure, they could have embedded that drone in their site for just this reason.

Go check out the front board and look at the very top below the new picture that was put up today and see what I mean.

WELP! Too late, it changed just now. lol



Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:50pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:42pm, DrDil wrote:
It's one of the plethora of conspiracy theorists wet dreams that revel in their semi-clandestine paranoia, basically it goes something like after the Roswell crash of '47 (<--insert relevant UFO crash site) that contact was established with an advance alien race, and the shadow government then proceeded to strike a deal whereas they could abduct a finite number of humans and the shadow government would hide/dismiss/erase/deny all knowledge in return for favours of an advanced technological persuasion. Such as the anti-grav device/generator.

Thanks for the explanation. It's odd this guy from Parc says that. Maybe it's a joke, but a weird one.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:58pm


Here was a popular myth spread out and about.

Quote:
MJ-12 has made a pact with the Greys. Will allow mutes and abductions in exchange for alien technology. Has built huge underground bases for aliens, with money from CIA drug sales and George Bush. Greys and "Ruling Powers" plan to set up a one-world dictatorship and force abductees and others into concentration camps.


People believe this stuff and then they talk about it in a forum and before you know it, it comes up as someone's experience and not what it was in the beginning.


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Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:03pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 6:50pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
Thanks for the explanation. It's odd this guy from Parc says that. Maybe it's a joke, but a weird one.

Yeah. I believe it was wrote with his tongue planted firmly in cheek.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:03pm

OverParis & DrDil:

The engineer from PARC is not joking. He is a Phd. and to put that sort of a joke in his professional resumes would ruin his career....if it were not true. He'd be laughed at.

Phd.s in engineering take their knowledge and expertise VERY SERIOUSLY. That's how they get new jobs. All they have to sell is their background and their skills.

Those nerd* types never joke around like that.

*I don't mean any disrespect.




Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:09pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:03pm, urantia606 wrote:
OverParis & DrDil:

The engineer from PARC is not joking. He is a Phd. and to put that sort of a joke in his professional resumes would ruin his career....if it were not true. He'd be laughed at.

Phd.s in engineering take their knowledge and expertise VERY SERIOUSLY. That's how they get new jobs. All they have to sell is their background and their skills.

Those nerd* types never joke around like that.

*I don't mean any disrespect.

You’re joking, surely. You’re saying that on his resume he openly admits to not only an extraterrestrial existence, but that the government is currently involved in bartering for alien technology with the lives of humans?

"He'd be laughed at."

What, more than if he claimed it as truth?
Would you give him a job?
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Post by AgentM on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:28pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 3:51pm, dhq wrote:
Hello everybody! I rarely post on message boards But I got upset because
I had an expert who works in the manufacturing of pipeline devices look at the pictures, and yep, its a dressed up pipeline gauge. How many of you on this board are experts in this field?


In this site you'll find more pics of pipeline pigs:WWW.PPSA-ONLINE.COM.ABOUT-PIGS.PHP

Some are already looking into to see the pipeline pig.


Dude,

You got issues.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:42pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:28pm, AgentM wrote:
Dude,

You got issues.
They're not even his issues, Razimus posted it first, over on ATS.
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Post by AlgebraFound on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:47pm

Hi there people,

I have also been reading these recent threads and there is a lot of interesting information that people are posting.

Just a few things that I wanted to mention.

If there was a typo in the name of Isaac (by the way the son that led the hebrews out of the desert historically) don't think I have seen that mentioned. If it were by chance mispelled as Issac, that is an acronym for International Symposium in Symbolic and Algebraic Computation.

"ISSAC is the yearly premier international symposium in Symbolic and Algebraic Computation that provides an opportunity to learn of new developments and to present original research results in all areas of symbolic mathematical computation."


Hmmmm.


That said I would have to agree w/others that there is a lot of interisting information here.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:56pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:47pm, AlgebraFound wrote:
If there was a typo in the name of Isaac (by the way the son that led the hebrews out of the desert historically) don't think I have seen that mentioned. If it were by chance mispelled as Issac, that is an acronym for International Symposium in Symbolic and Algebraic Computation.

I count a least three times that it’s spelled like that but the real clue is in the name of the website, “http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com”
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:59pm

DrDil:

I'm not joking at all.

Of course I'd give Dr. Edwards a job.

Have you actually read both of his very lengthy resumes? I have.

If you read his resume, it's actually very impressive. He's authored and co-authored literally dozens of technical articles and peer review documents. The list goes on for many pages.

He's co-authored quite a few books that could literally be called technical manuals.

He works in one of the most exotic fields of computer science that exists on the planet. Things most of us have never heard of.

Why would he put something as serious as his expertise with alien technology in his resume if it were just some silly little joke. No way.

I know these science types...they just do not joke around like that on their resumes....if it is not true.

In fact he actually put that into his resume as a way of bragging a bit.

How many people have worked on alien technology?




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Post by Latitude on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:02pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:42pm, DrDil wrote:
They're not even his issues, Razimus posted it first, over on ATS.


Yeah. There sure are a lot of kooky types getting wrapped up in this thing. I still don't understand why some people see it as some kind of crusade to save us from ourselves. They get so worried that we will believe in a hoax they spend every waking hour working against the movement. I don't happen to believe in Billy Meyers, but I'm not going to spend one minute trying to convince his followers they are being hoaxed. I could care less.

Also how is it that these kooks see this pipe pig as even remotely close to the A1? Like AgentM said. They must have issues to be able to convince themselves of that to such a degree that one of them has to make a website about it http://spacetimenews.com/ and the other has to register with other forums to spread the word. Maybe it's the same nut.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:10pm

I think it's called denial. Fear leads to denial, denial leads to aggression, you can take it from there smiley.

In all seriousness, though. If this does become in your face real, fear will be the first response. Maybe we need a strategy to deal with that. Confidently but kindly.
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Post by StayFocused on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:16pm

A story on the ABC news site - and they say there will be a story on Nightline tonight:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3349575&page=1
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:20pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:16pm, StayFocused wrote:
A story on the ABC news site - and they say there will be a story on Nightline tonight:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3349575&page=1


Thank you Thank you!
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Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:26pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:59pm, urantia606 wrote:
DrDil:

I'm not joking at all.

Of course I'd give Dr. Edwards a job.

Have you actually read both of his very lengthy resumes? I have.

If you read his resume, it's actually very impressive. He's authored and co-authored literally dozens of technical articles and peer review documents. The list goes on for many pages.

He's co-authored quite a few books that could literally be called technical manuals.

He works in one of the most exotic fields of computer science that exists on the planet. Things most of us have never heard of.

Why would he put something as serious as his expertise with alien technology in his resume if it were just some silly little joke. No way.

I know these science types...they just do not joke around like that on their resumes....if it is not true.

In fact he actually put that into his resume as a way of bragging a bit.

How many people have worked on alien technology?

We’ll just agree to differ on this one, I refuse to believe that definitive UFO disclosure (after at least 60 years) is finally realised in a resume.

As that is what you are saying, to be honest I find it absurd and laughable, more so that you are touting it as definitive proof. The smoking gun of UFOlogy is waiting to be found, but not on the internet via a resume.

I'm not joking at all. (No, you’ve evidently had a sense of humour bypass)

Of course I'd give Dr. Edwards a job. Have you actually read both of his very lengthy resumes? I have. (Yes)

If you read his resume, it's actually very impressive. He's authored and co-authored literally dozens of technical articles and peer review documents. The list goes on for many pages. (I have, and his writing capabilities have never been questioned, just his rapier wit and dry sense of humour.)

He's co-authored quite a few books that could literally be called technical manuals. (Add his name to a list of literally hundreds of thousands)

He works in one of the most exotic fields of computer science that exists on the planet. Things most of us have never heard of. (Yeah, alien technology grin)


Why would he put something as serious as his expertise with alien technology in his resume if it were just some silly little joke. No way.
(It’s not some silly little joke, it’s possibly the BIGGEST GOVERNMENTAL LIE OF ALL TIME. A lie, which if proved will have repercussions and profound implications for every intelligent living being on planet earth. Forget JFK, it will be, “Where were you when full UFO disclosure took place,” an event so gargantuan that time will be divided into the time before full disclosure and the time after full disclosure.

I know these science types...they just do not joke around like that on their resumes....if it is not true. (These, “Science types” are people and no two people are the same.)

In fact he actually put that into his resume as a way of bragging a bit. (And appear like a UFO nut to every prospective employee?)

How many people have worked on alien technology? (People that I know, none, AS ALIEN TECHNOLOGY HASN’T BEEN PROVEN TO EXIST!!)


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:35pm

Isaac wrote in his submitted paper:
At this point I'm going to gloss over the emotional side of this experience, because this letter isn't intended to be a memoir, but I will say that there's almost no way to describe the impact this kind of revelation has on your mind. There are very few moments in life in which your entire world view is turned forever upside down, but this was one of them. I still remember that turning point during the briefing when I realized what he'd just told us, and that I hadn't heard him wrong, and that it wasn't some kind of joke. In retrospect the whole thing feels like it was in slow motion, from that slight pause he took just before the term “extra-terrestrial” came out for the first time, to the way the room itself seemed to go off kilter as we collectively tried to grasp what was being said. My reflex kept jumping back and forth between trying to look at the speaker, to understand him better, and looking at everyone else around me, to make sure I wasn't the only one that was hearing this. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, it's a lot like a child learning his parents are divorcing.

Gosh.... I can imagine... I think the feeling he felt was betrayal. I guess thats why the divorce correlation. The government whom he trusted lied, and then revealed the lie that had to be kept secret. that was a lot of pressure and then to be working in such a secure environment and having to be on your toes to work on linguistics, and artificial intelligence algorithms. So much for the quest for machine intelligence.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:38pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:20pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Thank you Thank you!

Don’t get too excited ATO!! (I think) the article is referring to, “Out of the Blue” which has been around since 2002.

From OUT OF THE BLUE website

June 18, 2007 - Available Now -We are proud to announce the release of the 5-year Anniversary Edition of OUT OF THE BLUE: THE DEFINITIVE INVESTIGATION OF THE UFO PHENOMENON, narrated by Peter Coyote.

Watch it here, it's one of the better ones............


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:39pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:38pm, DrDil wrote:
Don’t get too excited ATO!! The article is referring to, “Out of the Blue” which has been around since 2002.

From OUT OF THE BLUE website

June 18, 2007 - Available Now -We are proud to announce the release of the 5-year Anniversary Edition of OUT OF THE BLUE: THE DEFINITIVE INVESTIGATION OF THE UFO PHENOMENON, narrated by Peter Coyote.

Watch it here, it's one of the better ones............



But it's INK. I like INK - especially on TV. Besides, we're talking Network here. Gotta laugh, of all places too ABC.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:43pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:39pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
But it's INK. I like INK - especially on TV.

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Yeah, but it's none drone related, merely trying to cash in on the Roswell anniversary. Hence the, “Ink.” There are UFO related documentaries on at least once or twice a week. Unless I’m missing something…………
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:46pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:16pm, StayFocused wrote:
A story on the ABC news site - and they say there will be a story on Nightline tonight:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3349575&page=1


at the end of the story there is a link to post your own news in relation to the story.... I put into on the isaac story in there. -- more exactly, all I put was the link to the fortunecity site.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:48pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:39pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
But it's INK. I like INK - especially on TV. Besides, we're talking Network here. Gotta laugh, of all places too ABC.
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Exactly, it’s ABC. That’s why it’s being called a, “New documentary,” (when in reality, it's a 5 year old one.) Plus it says, “Watch the story tonight on "Nightline" at 11:35 EDT.”
Not, “Watch the documentary,” this is surely just clever advertising?

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:56pm

Thanks StayFocused, I'm not sure I saw it the first time so I'll record it.

HJ
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:00pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:35pm, castles4me wrote:
Isaac wrote in his submitted paper:
At the risk of sounding melodramatic, it's a lot like a child learning his parents are divorcing.

Gosh.... I can imagine... I think the feeling he felt was betrayal. I guess thats why the divorce correlation.


No, not really betrayal. It's exactly what he said. You have to experience it to understand the emotion involved. I was a child of divorce. I'll never forget the day. Actually it was easy on me because I saw it coming. But when my ex first told my kids, she may as well have smacked them across the head with a shovel. When I saw the looks on their faces I couldn't bare it.

I know exactly what Isaac was talking about when he said, "The moment that first word comes out, all you can think about it is what it was like only seconds ago, and knowing that life is never going to be as simple as it was then". It's so real. I sure hope he writes a book. He has a worldwide best seller on his hands.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:17pm

Dr. Dil:

Dr. Edwards and Isaac are both in the same boat.

Civilians often have a VERY different sense of what should be SECRET than the military. Dr. Edwards and Issac are both in that league. They just don't have the same respect for security that the military does.

Don't you remember Isaac stating that the military really did not like having civilians touching and seeing their precious alien artifacts?

By putting that sentence in his resume, Dr. Edwards is really thumbing his nose at the Military's rigid sense of security.

Also, didn't the late Lt Haut give Disclosure in his recent read after death testament? And he's not the first one to do this....others have also.

Disclosure has actually already happened. It's just that the government has not put its official blessing on it.

Finally I guess you and I will just have to disagree on this issue.

BTW, Dr. Dil, debunking is not allowed on this thread according to our Moderator, ATO.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:19pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:48pm, DrDil wrote:
Exactly, it’s ABC. That’s why it’s being called a, “New documentary,” (when in reality, it's a 5 year old one.) Plus it says, “Watch the story tonight on "Nightline" at 11:35 EDT.”
Not, “Watch the documentary,” this is surely just clever advertising?


Just the same, Nightline does not get ignored. It's not as popular since Ted Koppel left certainly but it's still way up on top.

I just googled them for their ratings and found that Nightline gets 3.3 million viewers per night. The figure was 3.9 million per night when Koppel was on.

Just the same, you've got 3.3 million viewers who are going to go to work tomorrow and talk about this or their neighbors or friends.

I don't downplay anything, ever. Especially when it ends up on Network television. This isn't Poduck, Idaha channel 28. This is ABC Network Television.

There is a comments section attached to that article and I wish you all would go in and comment on CARET and Isaac.



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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:21pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:19pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Just the same, Nightline does not get ignored. It's not as popular since Ted Koppel left certainly but it's still way up on top.

I just googled them for their ratings and found that Nightline gets 3.3 million viewers per night. The figure was 3.9 million per night when Koppel was on.

Just the same, you've got 3.3 viewers who are going to go to work tomorrow and talk about this or their neighbors or friends.

I don't downplay anything, ever. Especially when it ends up on Network television. This isn't Poduck, Idaha channel 28. This is ABC Network Television.

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But it's just a story on a re-release 2002 documentary?
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:26pm


If you do comment in ABC comment area, take something from the following. Don't put in an address, they'll pitch your comment.

I am more interested in finding out about the more recent release (June 26, 2007) regarding Commercial Applications Research for Extra-terrestrial Technology (CARET), located at the Palo Alto CARET Laboratory (PACL) in the 1980's.

This has more recently been made availabe by an ex-employee calling himself Isaac. He produced classified documents with information showing pictures of alien artifacts, linguistic primers and a 1986 report explaining some of the alien artifacts.

It was described by this former employee that this secretive program was the work of the Department of Defense. The employee states, "I worked with state of the art hardware and a staff of over 200 computer scientists, electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, physicists and mathematicians. Most of us were civilians, as I’ve said, but some were military, and a few of them had been working on this technology already."

The employee also states that he worked for PACL from 1984 to 1987. I doubt that this comment area will accept a website addresses however, I will state that the pictures, report and linguistic primers can easily be found with a very simple Google search by typing CARET and UFO next to it. Inside all of the many websites you will find, you will discover everything I mentioned above.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:27pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:21pm, DrDil wrote:
But it's just a story on a re-release 2002 documentary?


It doesn't matter. To me, it's 3.3 million viewers. They could reply Peter Jennings "Seeing Is Believing" and I would love it, even though everything was downplayed.
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Post by StayFocused on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:30pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:21pm, DrDil wrote:
But it's just a story on a re-release 2002 documentary?


Any mainstream report is good IMO if it's fair and balanced. I don't think the story is simply going to be a review of the OOTB doco just some good source material.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:31pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:17pm, urantia606 wrote:
Also, didn't the late Lt Haut give Disclosure in his recent read after death testament?

And he's not the first one to do this....others have also.

Disclosure has actually already happened. It's just that the government has not put its official blessing on it.
BTW, Dr. Dil, debunking is not allowed on this thread according to our Moderator, ATO.


Also, didn't the late Lt Haut give Disclosure in his recent read after death testament?
Yes, that’s hardly a publicly available résumé (while alive) and it’s a massive bone of contention due to his deteriorating state of mind and his difficultly to string sentences together, let alone write a cohesive statement, and he was adamant that he seen nothing throughout his entire life.

And he's not the first one to do this....others have also.
A sworn affidavit regarding recovered alien bodies, link please?

Disclosure has actually already happened. It's just that the government has not put its official blessing on it.
Then, by definition, it’s not disclosure!!

BTW, Dr. Dil, debunking is not allowed on this thread according to our Moderator, ATO
Believe me, ATO would have pulled me a long time ago if was a debunker, I’m more of a realist and BTW all I’m, “debunking” is your claim that Dr. Edwards had no sense of humour!!!

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:31pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:26pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
If you do comment in ABC comment area, take something from the following. Don't put in an address, they'll pitch your comment.


I don't believe that by itself the Isaac papers are so compelling. It must be accompanied by the entire drone flap before it really takes on an air of reality. So when I sent my comment in I included an outline of most of the story from Chad on.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:36pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:27pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
It doesn't matter. To me, it's 3.3 million viewers. They could reply Peter Jennings "Seeing Is Believing" and I would love it, even though everything was downplayed.

Yeah and Friedman still hasn't forgiven them!! grin
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:40pm

On another note someone over on http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=fr|en&u=http://ovnis-usa.com/&prev=/language_tools

has been finding that the lettering on the A1, A2 and A3 parts varies according to whether the part is 'active' or 'passive'.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:41pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:36pm, urantia606 wrote:
Dr. Dil:

You're not really convincing me that you are not debunking.

You have been debunking every line I write about Dr. Edwards.

If that is not debunking, I don't know what it is.


You're not really convincing me that you are not debunking.
Good, that's not my intention, I know I'm not.

Opinions that are not the same as your own are often misconstrued.

Show me where I debunked anything. I offered a point of view, then an explanation as to why.

You can’t scream debunker because my opinion about someone’s sense of humour is not the same as yours!!

If that is not debunking, I don't know what it is.

There's your problem.....................
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:51pm


SALADFINGERS AGAIN - I LIKE THIS ONE LOL


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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:53pm

C'mon guys - stop bunking ... ummm ... I mean, bumping heads smiley!


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:53pm



GOOD JOB HERE TOO

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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by beenieweenie on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:56pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:51pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
SALADFINGERS AGAIN - I LIKE THIS ONE LOL


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I love that picture - I saw that earlier today.

That primer pic would make a great t-shirt. grin
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:57pm

urantia606:

I write extensively on the UFO phenomenon, I even have a UFO website, and at the end of the day this is about a third person’s sense of humour, not debunking but more a difference of opinion.

So, as you’re the only person who has ever labelled me as a debunker I take offence and respectfully request that you desist.

As well as the, “No debunkers” rule, I’m sure there are forum rules regarding harassing and name calling, especially names which are so detrimental and ultimately tantamount to defamation of the most heinous nature.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:58pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:51pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
SALADFINGERS AGAIN - I LIKE THIS ONE LOL


Looks like he stole it from attack of the clones and put drone writing on it. It does not look real.



Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by radi on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:59pm

Some more on the ISAAC application found here
http://www.eso.org/observing/dfo/quality/ISAAC/

The application found here.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/isaac-cfd/
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:02pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:58pm, Latitude wrote:
Looks like he stole it from attack of the clones and put drone writing on it. It does not look real.

That's more or less what the forum members said, although saladfingers stated that he was illustrating the concept of preconceived notions and how they inevitably taint views. I.e. if you know it’s faked you spot why instantly, but if you don’t you question why, rather than state it as fact.
More importantly I believe he was trying to highlight the thought processes involved.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:06pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:58pm, Latitude wrote:
Looks like he stole it from attack of the clones and put drone writing on it. It does not look real.

Surely you mean, "Attack Of The Drones" grin
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:19pm



I got my comment in on that ABC Comment Board - he, he

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/comments?type=story&id=3349575
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:19pm

"A story on the ABC news site - and they say there will be a story on Nightline tonight:"

it's been my observation that tv coverage of this sort only serves to show enthusiasts as freaks. and it likely wont be hard to do at the roswell fest, you know only the more colorful characters will get camera time, it makes good tv

the serious, sober and credible people make for dull telivision, and you wont see them represented

same goes for coverage of trekkies or star wars fans, only the freaks get air time, we love to perpetuate stereotypes, its entertaining

unfair? you bet... we love to gawk at freaks

i'll be watching tonight, look for the goofballs painted green with antennas on their heads

the real ufo fest should be eyes on the ground around the airbases where drones have been sighted, we should be out in force, enough to get some news coverage that way

enough people out looking and observing would be enough to get the curiosity of at least local news coverage and raise the profile of the drone phenomena, dont you think?
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Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:34pm

5 minutes to air time here in the east, do you guys out west want a spoiler or no smiley?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:55pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:19pm, j w wright wrote:
[i] the real ufo fest should be eyes on the ground around the airbases where drones have been sighted, we should be out in force, enough to get some news coverage that way

enough people out looking and observing would be enough to get the curiosity of at least local news coverage and raise the profile of the drone phenomena, dont you think?


Hey what ever happened to ya'lls trip to Big Basin to take photos of the drones lol Ya'll get those cameras rollin!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:59pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:53pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
GOOD JOB HERE TOO

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I have seen this over and over in the documents, but when I saw it presented here in it's beauty -- it affected me emotionally -- I felt kind of an excitement, and I had to touch the screen on the circles -- I know that sounds weird. (I don't remember when or where but at one point someone was talking about the touch-screen techno lol made me think of that)
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:03pm

MarkM:

Sure give us a heads up on the Nightline show....no problem with me.




Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by sickmindfraud on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:06pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:35pm, MarkM wrote:
OK, going on record, here's what I think - think, can't prove - based on everything that my drone saturated brain has processed over this past week:

1. This is not a hoax. While not every drone image may be legit, all it takes is one. I'm a pretty good judge of people and (IMHO) Shirley, at least, is not lying. Based on numerous witness accounts, this saga did not begin with the Chad photo. "Isaac's" material is consistent with several factors, not the least of which is the (IMHO) fact that we did indeed recover debris from the Roswell wreckage in 1947. Over 600 people, military and civilian - many on their deathbeds - have nothing to gain by lying. The government did something with that wreckage. That something was to spend decades trying to figure it out.


Okay, I can understand that. I haven't listened to the Earth files podcasts in detail yet, although it might be fun to run them through some reverse speech analysis. One legit is proof enough, although determining it could be a tad difficult.

I consider that reverse speech is likely good enough to determine some basic veracity, although I do not mess with the fancy symbolism system that pops up.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:06pm

On a scale of 1-10, 5, maybe 6. Shorter piece than I expected. The reporter was kind of an idiot. At least the professional skeptic wasn't very convincing smiley.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:08pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:19pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I got my comment in on that ABC Comment Board - he, he

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/comments?type=story&id=3349575


I managed to get a comment in there, too. I urged a serious, aggressive investigation into the phenomenon by the mainstream media, without being lapdogs to the government party line.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:11pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 10:06pm, DrDil wrote:
Surely you mean, "Attack Of The Drones" grin


Ahh... Begun, the drone wars have.
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Post by figneutron on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:37pm

on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:35pm, MarkM wrote:
OK, going on record, here's what I think - think, can't prove - based on everything that my drone saturated brain has processed over this past week:

1. This is not a hoax. While not every drone image may be legit, all it takes is one. I'm a pretty good judge of people and (IMHO) Shirley, at least, is not lying. Based on numerous witness accounts, this saga did not begin with the Chad photo. "Isaac's" material is consistent with several factors, not the least of which is the (IMHO) fact that we did indeed recover debris from the Roswell wreckage in 1947. Over 600 people, military and civilian - many on their deathbeds - have nothing to gain by lying. The government did something with that wreckage. That something was to spend decades trying to figure it out.

2. "Isaac" and the attorney, Todd Schwartz are related (father, son, uncle, whatever). Mr. Schwartz appears to have a stable career with a reputable law firm. He does not deny knowledge of "Isaac" and CARET (provided his email response is legit). There is no reason to think that Attorney Schwartz is looking to trade in his license to practice law for one to practice Tom Foolery. Nothing to gain, everything to lose.

3. There is some test going on. Either the beginnings of actual disclosure or a preliminary trial balloon. Whether the initial drone sightings were the result of an equipment malfunction or an intentional "unveiling", the leaks continue because it's being allowed.

4. There is a decision being made - even as we type - about the direction that this will take in the days ahead. For several reasons, political, social, and otherwise, this may be the opportune time to orchestrate a revelation of this magnitude.

Without further information, beyond this point is a blur. I hope that we'll be able to write the next several threads based on information, not on hunches and speculation. If "he" is reading, I hope that "Isaac" will see that we've come about as far as we can with what we have. If he is truly sincere in what he set out to accomplish, he'll put in another appearance soon. My prediction is within a week.


I agree with Mark M: the strange craft affair is not a hoax. However, my psychologist's intuition signals "Beware of Isaac!" Something is fishy here, and it's difficult to pinpoint. It seems to me that there is an overarching contradiction or inconsistency regarding his act of revelation. First, he pumps us with his technical training and professional background to establish his credibility, then he proceeds to offer very little of substance with regard to what he claims to know. His micro-exposition of the "language" reveals nothing I can grasp: what the hell is a holographic computing material substrate? How do the symbols "program" it? He gives no clue. Throw us a friggin' bone here, Isaac! Until he gives me much more to work with- what amounts to a coherent rational explanation based on principles of earthly unknown physics- I think he is conning us. Yet, there are those amazing diagrams exhibiting the "language, and, my god, it strikes me plausible that they are what he claims they are. Nevertheless, my gut feeling is that neither he nor any other human being understands the technology of which they are a key component. And don't get me started on an anti-gravity device! As of today, earthly physicists don't have a clue how one would work- they don't even know what gravity is in the ultimate space-time-energy-matter scheme of things! All I get from Isaac amounts to a few enticing table scraps of science fiction. So, he must serve me a generous portion of quasi-plausible scientific meat (most likely with robust flavor and complex texture of a fundamental revision and expansion of quantum theory, particle physics, and the geometry of the universe) if I am to believe his story. And if he does, he will move our science at least centuries ahead. Jumping now to what I hope is a logical conclusion here, permit me to assert that the strange craft is alien-designed, alien-assembled, and alien-controlled; and is not a human-alien hybrid as Isaac implies.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Farmboy on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:49pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:37pm, figneutron wrote:
I agree with Mark M: the strange craft affair is not a hoax. However, my psychologist's intuition signals "Beware of Isaac!" Something is fishy here, and it's difficult to pinpoint. It seems to me that there is an overarching contradiction or inconsistency regarding his act of revelation. First, he pumps us with his technical training and professional background to establish his credibility, then he proceeds to offer very little of substance with regard to what he claims to know. ...... not a human-alien hybrid as Isaac implies.


Figneutron,
Agree with you that Isaac comes across "coy" to say the least - lots of big implications but not much to work with.

Have to disagree with you re the technology Isaac describes. I have previously posted my finding these descriptions, eg holographic memory involving "billions" of memory space positions generating by implication enumerous permutations of meaning, to be very plausible in terms of current evolving earth material physics.

Adding in my opinion to Isaac's plausibility is his wording - for a 1986 non-tech, or even tekky, he describes operation of the "holographic matrix storage system" pretty much the way i would expect for a world yet to hear about quantum computing.

But i hope Isaac's next offering is NOT a continuation of teasing snips and quick looks followed by utter silence.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by sickmindfraud on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:03am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 09:48am, RoH wrote:
Who made Isaac's diagrams?
(who had the technology?)

Isaac wrote:
So, in 1984, the CARET program was created with the aim of harnessing the abilities of private industry in silicon valley and applying it to the ongoing task of understanding extra-terrestrial technology.

One of the best examples of the power of the tech sector was Xerox PARC, a research center in Palo Alto, CA. XPARC was responsible for some of the major milestones in the history of computing. While I never had the privilege of working there myself I did know many of the people who did and I can say that they were among the brightest engineers I ever knew.

XPARC served as one of the models for the CARET program’s first incarnation, a facility called the Palo Alto CARET Laboratory (PACL, lovingly pronounced “packle” during my time there). This was where I worked, along with numerous other civilians, under the auspices of military brass who were eager to find out how the tech sector made so much progress so quickly. My time at the DoD was a major factor behind why I was chosen, and in fact about 30+ others who were hired around the same time had also been at the Department about as long, but this was not the case for everyone. A couple of my co-workers were plucked right from places like IBM and, at least two of them came from XPARC itself. My DoD experience did make me more eligable for positions of management, however, which is how I have so much of this material in my possession to begin with.


I Suspect:
Xerox PARC (XPARC)
(PARC is a wholly owned subsidiary of Xerox Corporation.)



I had pointed out in the earlier thread that AutoCad version 1.0 was released in 1982, and even version 2 was capable of producing these diagrams.

IMHO the page layout was likely done using the TeX or LaTeX Academic typesetting programs, available before 1980.

Googling for these as 'autocad history' and 'LaTeX history' gives plenty of info, and even a few video.
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Post by Farmboy on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:27am

would very much like to hear more details from Isaac on:
1 metallurgy of A2, A3 - alloy composition, X-ray crystallography, heat capacity, chemical sensitivities. Vapor analysis, melt temp if any. Opacity to EM when at rest, and in flight. Homogeneous A1, A2 composition on radial gradient? Or multi-phase gradient? Conductivity mechanism/mode. Tensile - isotropic, anisotropic. Permutivity.

2 ET's waste handling system, and if ET has waste products? Food/entity energy source/finite (short) planned life time.

3 Transit time to reach earth - instantaneous, or in stages (eg need to slow down, exit warp, near solar system)

4 Are ET passengers the primary living species from their system, or synthesized avatars (bio-bot AI entities), or mixed group).

5 Drive/propulsion energy source.

6 is superconductivity employed anywhere in the craft; without cooling?

7 Communication system (earth to home, interior). Exterior sensory system.

8 A supporting interior atmosphere? If so, what gases?

other questions by forum crew:.....


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:39am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:27am, Farmboy wrote:
would very much like to hear more details from Isaac on:



Farmboy, they have set up a separate thread to ask Isaac some questions in.... (I hope you can cut and paste and move your post over there) I thought it would be great if we could come up with some intelligent questions to ask him if he could possibly answer us... they ran with the idea and set up the separate link, which is great!
Now, we just need Isaac to come answer questions... maybe he is busy, or on vacation -- I don't know hiking in the mountains somewhere or something lol
Here is the Questions for Isaac link:
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183698983

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by figneutron on Jul 7th, 2007, 01:12am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:49pm, Farmboy wrote:
Figneutron,
Agree with you that Isaac comes across "coy" to say the least - lots of big implications but not much to work with.

Have to disagree with you re the technology Isaac describes. I have previously posted my finding these descriptions, eg holographic memory involving "billions" of memory space positions generating by implication enumerous permutations of meaning, to be very plausible in terms of current evolving earth material physics.

Adding in my opinion to Isaac's plausibility is his wording - for a 1986 non-tech, or even tekky, he describes operation of the "holographic matrix storage system" pretty much the way i would expect for a world yet to hear about quantum computing.

But i hope Isaac's next offering is NOT a continuation of teasing snips and quick looks followed by utter silence.



I am going to stand by my suggestion that the technology of the strange craft is based on science far advanced of that of humanity and so is as yet not understood by earthlings. Mention of holographic memory devices and quantum computing moves me not.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 02:12am

Figneutron:

Your comments are completely incoherent. You're all over the map. You believe it and you don't. You just can't make up your mind.

And I had no idea you are an expert on what scientists know about how such a craft would work. Where did you get your information on that one?

I get the feeling that this topic may be a bit too much for you .

Calm down, have a cookie, think it over and come back with a new post that we can understand.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 02:18am

Nightline TV program on UFOs last night.

Mr. Schermer, the skeptic, happens to live near me and when he is featured it's guaranteed that the producer of the program is certified brain dead.

I give it a generous...........F+
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 7th, 2007, 02:22am

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:37pm, figneutron wrote:
I agree with Mark M: the strange craft affair is not a hoax. However, my psychologist's intuition signals "Beware of Isaac!" Something is fishy here, and it's difficult to pinpoint. It seems to me that there is an overarching contradiction or inconsistency regarding his act of revelation. First, he pumps us with his technical training and professional background to establish his credibility, then he proceeds to offer very little of substance with regard to what he claims to know. His micro-exposition of the "language" reveals nothing I can grasp: what the hell is a holographic computing material substrate? How do the symbols "program" it? He gives no clue. Throw us a friggin' bone here, Isaac! Until he gives me much more to work with- what amounts to a coherent rational explanation based on principles of earthly unknown physics- I think he is conning us. Yet, there are those amazing diagrams exhibiting the "language, and, my god, it strikes me plausible that they are what he claims they are. Nevertheless, my gut feeling is that neither he nor any other human being understands the technology of which they are a key component. And don't get me started on an anti-gravity device! As of today, earthly physicists don't have a clue how one would work- they don't even know what gravity is in the ultimate space-time-energy-matter scheme of things! All I get from Isaac amounts to a few enticing table scraps of science fiction. So, he must serve me a generous portion of quasi-plausible scientific meat (most likely with robust flavor and complex texture of a fundamental revision and expansion of quantum theory, particle physics, and the geometry of the universe) if I am to believe his story. And if he does, he will move our science at least centuries ahead. Jumping now to what I hope is a logical conclusion here, permit me to assert that the strange craft is alien-designed, alien-assembled, and alien-controlled; and is not a human-alien hybrid as Isaac implies.


Hey Figneutron,

BTW, cool name. Definately creative. I like how you end with the logical conclusion and you seem to almost put it all together but Isaac never implied human-alien hybrid anything. He did admit that he was not sure of the current state of the art but I think you may have filled in the blanks.

But why the suspicious trip? Beware of Isaac? Well I guess there had to be a sinister plot in there somewhere.

Edit to add:
Isaac is doing exactly what he said he'd do. He put some info out as a test to see how it goes. If it works out he'll likely release more. Why can't everybody accept that?
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Post by Latitude on Jul 7th, 2007, 02:34am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:27am, Farmboy wrote:
would very much like to hear more details from Isaac on:

2 ET's waste handling system, and if ET has waste products? Food/entity energy source/finite (short) planned life time.


ET waste handling system? In layman's terms that would mean what kind of toilet do they use. grin

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Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 7th, 2007, 05:14am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 02:34am, Latitude wrote:
ET waste handling system? In layman's terms that would mean what kind of toilet do they use. grin


If they don't make any waste then that would be proof of a highly advanced race and society.

It would mean as a race they had no A__holes.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 7th, 2007, 05:53am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 05:14am, WatchingWaiting wrote:
If they don't make any waste then that would be proof of a highly advanced race and society.

It would mean as a race they had no A__holes.

That's more than can be said of the human race, most of ours are politicians though. grin
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Post by Scorpion on Jul 7th, 2007, 06:48am

as much as I really really want this to be real - the bloody frenchies look like they may have cracked the code...

http://ovnis-usa.com/
guys, let me know your thoughts
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 7th, 2007, 06:53am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 06:48am, Scorpion wrote:
as much as I really really want this to be real - the bloody frenchies look like they may have cracked the code...

http://ovnis-usa.com/
guys, let me know your thoughts

Could you elaborate please, I’ve just read that entire thread an hour or so ago (again) and I seen no such statement.
In fact I’ve been under the impression that the “frenchies” website is a summary of recent forum posts, mainly OMF & UFOcasebook.
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Post by Scorpion on Jul 7th, 2007, 07:24am

well that's why i asked for everyones opinion, one that didn't sit right with me was where they showed in the photo of the anti-grav device, the symbols are symetrically mirrored, if the same symbol was to be in place on another part of something, i doubt it should be written/scribed in reverse/mirror - however no-one is an expert on the 'code' so this very well may be correct operation to enable the device, it just seems odd (plus my own opinion i haven't seen anywhere else is the photo artifacts on all photos, ie; the scratches or hair on the scan etc, look stuck on - I am no photoshop expert, however I am a hobbiest and I would imagine that when the original JPG was saved from a scan, the JPG artifacts would have been effected differently if it was on the source image/photo)

with that said - flame me all you guys need, but I'm still on the believe side!
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 7th, 2007, 08:02am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 06:48am, Scorpion wrote:
as much as I really really want this to be real - the bloody frenchies look like they may have cracked the code...

http://ovnis-usa.com/
guys, let me know your thoughts

Didier de Plaige who owns this french web site is only making an everyday resume (actually, it's a lot of work) of what is talked about on the different UFO forums (ATS, Open Minds and Ufocasebook) or UFO websites. It's very interesting because he only keeps the most interesting parts (some of which one can have missed) and is very aware of what is happening in ufology. His pseudo is : Nemo492. If somebody cracked the code (which is not what I understood), it is not a french person, it's somebody from the american forums.

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Post by DrDil on Jul 7th, 2007, 08:08am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 07:24am, Scorpion wrote:
well that's why i asked for everyones opinion, one that didn't sit right with me was where they showed in the photo of the anti-grav device, the symbols are symetrically mirrored, if the same symbol was to be in place on another part of something, i doubt it should be written/scribed in reverse/mirror - however no-one is an expert on the 'code' so this very well may be correct operation to enable the device, it just seems odd (plus my own opinion i haven't seen anywhere else is the photo artifacts on all photos, ie; the scratches or hair on the scan etc, look stuck on - I am no photoshop expert, however I am a hobbiest and I would imagine that when the original JPG was saved from a scan, the JPG artifacts would have been effected differently if it was on the source image/photo)

with that said - flame me all you guys need, but I'm still on the believe side!


An interesting point, funny enough I posted a possible explanation which was and is just an observation.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on 06/30/2007 at 10:03:08


Can anybody notice and differences between the two parts of this object. The more I rotate and zoom in on it, the more I feel it may be one object spliced together. I can’t distinguish between the two parts at all, apart of course from the obvious differences caused by the angle.


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Is that what you mean, and if so maybes that could account for, “the symbols are symetrically mirrored”?

It may be an illusion but doesn’t that image look like it’s one object sitting on a mirror. Of course I don’t believe that’s what was done but it may have been one image inverted and joined to the original one.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 08:49am



Well, I guess some things never change.

Re: 'Out of the Blue': Do Aliens Exist?
Fascination With Life Beyond Earth Inspires New Documentary

The post I made in ABC's comment section last night about Isaac and CARET was removed.

Another member in here posted behind me by about 30 minutes - his is still there but does not reference Isaac.

Hmmmmm - grrrrrr

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/comments?type=story&id=3349575


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 7th, 2007, 08:54am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 08:49am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Well, I guess some things never change.

Re: 'Out of the Blue': Do Aliens Exist?
Fascination With Life Beyond Earth Inspires New Documentary

The post I made in ABC's comment section last night about Isaac and CARET was removed.

Another member in here posted behind me by about 30 minutes - his is still there but does not reference Isaac.

Hmmmmm - grrrrrr

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/comments?type=story&id=3349575

Yeah and that BBC site hasn't added anyones post and there were a few members from here that left them...............
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Post by DrDil on Jul 7th, 2007, 08:57am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 08:49am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Well, I guess some things never change.

Re: 'Out of the Blue': Do Aliens Exist?
Fascination With Life Beyond Earth Inspires New Documentary

Did you watch the show? Any good? Preconceived misconceptions?
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 09:21am



Tons better then Jennings. Not so one sided anyway. Impressed actually. I was thinking when it was over that was probably because it was only 30 minutes long. They could have done a number on us if it was 2hrs like Jennings was.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:32am

I was looking over some of RoH's posts early on where he did extensive work on the language of the aliens. One thing stuck out in my mind that he wrote:

One Symbol to Rule Them All --
a symbol that is the complete representation of the whole system

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Maybe it is an On/Off switch?? Every piece of equipment has to have a main switch -- yes, maybe? One symbol to rule them all? A power switch?

Isaac said that a symbol can either mean (paraphrase 1-bit of information or the whole DNA sequence or entire galaxy -- can

Or, maybe it is the key signature. If everything on the linguistics diagram seemed to be in groups of 8 like Roh surmised..... and like I said before 8 is an octave in music..... A Key signature comes before the music and determines which notes are to be sharp or flat in (mostly) the entire musical piece. (symbols to rule them all?)

Of course, sometimes the key signature can change during the piece when the music takes on a different direction, meaning or emotional flow.

wiki def: In musical notation, a key signature is a series of sharp symbols or flat symbols placed on the staff, designating notes that are to be consistently played one semitone higher or lower than the equivalent natural notes (for example, the white notes on a piano keyboard) unless otherwise altered with an accidental. Key signatures are generally written immediately after the clef at the beginning of a line of musical notation, although they can appear in other parts of a score, notably after a double bar.

One thing that Mark said once was -- how did it make you FEEL when you looked at the linguistic images. I think this is more important than we think. When I looked at the image ATO posted yesterday with the linguistics design i FELT different and to be honest, had a desire to activate the function of it by touching the screen.

Mark wrote a few days ago:
S1 does not appear capable of controlling this mode beyond activating and deactivating."

Jumping way outside the box for just a second, and realizing that I may lose some folks here ....

It's well established through decades of abduction research that ET's communicate telepathically. Telepathy and telekinesis (moving objects through focused thought) seems to be a natural part of their function, just as oral speech is to us. We also know that living things generate an electrical current. Although subject to some debate, such a relatively simple life form as a plant has been demonstrated (under laboratory conditions) to respond to human emotion, music (sound waves), etc. If humans could somehow take the energy in a thought (the energy that stimulates the brain to respond) and project it externally, what might the result be? Imagine then a device capable of amplifying - or reinterpreting - that signal. Such a device could direct that energy, but, without data input from an intelligent source (pilot / programmer) it might achieve nothing more than a pleasant hum.


this would really ring true in Neurophysiology specifically how our brain analyzes images and the signal it gives our brain, the way it affects the way we FEEL, -- or visa versa -- the signal our brain can give an image. (and of course ET's neurophysical makeup will be highly different from ours -- making them more "one" with the images and the programming -- a lot of computers for one user-- ubiquitous)

In fact in neurophysiology research, I saw a site that talked about responses in the visual area of the brain of the macaque monkeys to different geometrical stimuli -- they also had a chart of different geometrical images -- that, well -- looked EXACTLY like crop circles. -- So, the crop circles could very well be placed there to invoke neurophysiological reactions in our brains. Like we are the monkeys to test lol

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OK -- I know this is a lot. I am trying to figure it all out lol
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:37am

That's really good. Thank you for picking up that torch again. There's so much info here, a lot gets passed over in trying to keep up.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:13am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:32am, castles4me wrote:
I

not sure if I can figure out how to put an image in here lol (if it doesn't come out look at RoH's avatar.

The lack of image is because you are linking to an image in MYDocuments (your documents.) We can’t see what’s on your PC so you need to put the picture online somewhere. This is called picture hosting, there are loads of free sites that does it, off the top of my head there’s “imageshack” and “photobucket”.

Takes a couple of seconds to sign up, another couple to upload a picture and voila, they supply you with a link that enables you to display the image anywhere you want on line.

Hope this helps…………….(wink)

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:38am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:32am, castles4me wrote:
In fact in neurophysiology research, I saw a site that talked about responses in our visual area of the brain to different geometrical stimuli -- they also had a chart of different geometrical images -- that, well -- looked EXACTLY like crop circles. -- So, the crop circles could very well be placed there to invoke neurophysiological reactions in our brains.


A human emotion has two principal components: a physiological one, and a cognitive one. Though closely intertwined, the distinction is important.

Many emotions have very similar physiological manifestations - for an emotion to happen, your body has to be put in an 'emotional state', but the actual perception and experience of the emotion is defined by the your cognitive perception of the situation.

For example, a subject experiencing sadness and another experiencing fear will demonstrate very similar physiological states with respect to heart rate, extremity temperature, skin conductance, etc. The brain's cognitive interpretation of the situation defines whether the subject is experiencing fear (was that a noise downstairs?) or sadness (I'll really miss old Rover).

The geometric card tests are designed to measure the electrical impulses involved in perception and 'piecing together' of shapes by the brain, and ultimately experiencing the shape, but not an emotional one. If one of the shapes on the cards resembles a something you had seen as a crop-circle, it could *elicit* an emotional response, but only because of your pre-conception. The shape itself would not elicit the same response in someone who had never seen or heard of crop circles.

What I'm getting at is that for you to 'feel' something (emotionally), you have to have some cognitive awareness of what you are supposed to be feeling... looking at the symbols may cause a strong sense of wonderment and awe, which is perfectly valid, especially if you are reasonably certain they are extraterrestrial in origin. It is very unlikely the symbols themselves could elicit some arbitrary emotion the designer may have intended, certainly not to the extent experienced by looking at an emotion-inducing photograph, or reading an emotionally charged piece of writing.

Another important thing to keep in mind is that we cannot assume alien neuro-physiology is similar to our own. Even if we accept that the symbols are designed to impart some kind of reaction in the on-looker, the general neurological structure of our brains and 'theirs' would be so radically different, we could never expect the same principles to hold true for us...
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:47am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:13am, DrDil wrote:
The lack of image is because you are linking to an image in MYDocuments (your documents.) We can’t see what’s on your PC so you need to put the picture online somewhere. This is called picture hosting, there are loads of free sites that does it, off the top of my head there’s “imageshack” and “photobucket”.

Takes a couple of seconds to sign up, another couple to upload a picture and voila, they supply you with a link that enables you to display the image anywhere you want on line.

Hope this helps…………… wink)


You can also check with your isp to see if you have your own upload space. I think my isp allows me 200 megs. You would need an ftp program to upload but those are free for download.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:18pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:47am, Latitude wrote:
You can also check with your isp to see if you have your own upload space. I think my isp allows me 200 megs. You would need an ftp program to upload but those are free for download.


She's doing that now. If I'm not around, could you refer anyone who asks about photos - to go to the Welcome Members section. The instructions on download and uploading are there on the first page and pinned so that thread won't go bye, bye. thx mucho

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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:19pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 06:48am, Scorpion wrote:
as much as I really really want this to be real - the bloody frenchies look like they may have cracked the code...

http://ovnis-usa.com/
guys, let me know your thoughts


I went and copied all of that page into balefish and have been reading it. Very interesting stuff. I can copy and paste if anyone wants to read??
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:27pm

This may be a bit OT, but for what it is worth, I just read the NEWSWEEK article on "ALIEN NATION: Inside the Competing Roswell Conventions." It is about what you would expect--neutral in tone but a bit more of the 'look at the loonies' tone to it. No serious discussion of anything.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:35pm

Re: OVNIS-USA.com

I just love the fact that we pulled that poor soul Keith Edwards into this. Sheesh!

A lot of things that we check on is done behind the scenes here in the forum. Myself and a very good number of members pass PMs back and forth all day long with various tid bits and we research it without putting it on the forum until it's necessary - especially when it's hit and miss.

So, even though some got angry with me yesterday and the day before for shooting down their PARC and Xerox ideas, it was because myself and many others had already done the Keith thing - about 11 days ago now.

We went through Xerox history from it's conception and everything forward to Keith. That's why. I already knew about it and kept saying something in the thread but nobody wanted to listen.

Meanwhile, we're all made to look like what?
.



I got it, let's make something up and see how fast it gets in there. NOT! lol
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:41pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:24pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That was a lot of work. You only have to put the address in Google and click "language tools" and this page comes up.

http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en


Then, you put the address of >>>> http://ovnis-usa.com/

In the appropriate spot at the bottom, ask it to translate from French to English and VIOLA!

English version of ovnis-usa.com

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fovnis-usa.com%2F&langpair=fr|en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools


LOL... :bowdown: thank you!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:42pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:27pm, starsigndavid wrote:
This may be a bit OT, but for what it is worth, I just read the NEWSWEEK article on "ALIEN NATION: Inside the Competing Roswell Conventions." It is about what you would expect--neutral in tone but a bit more of the 'look at the loonies' tone to it. No serious discussion of anything.


Alien Nation
Believers and skeptics converge at two UFO Festivals in a small New Mexico town.

By Nathan Dinsdale
Newsweek
Updated: 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
July 7, 2007 - This is what happens when a flying saucer crashes in your town: The little green men are, well, little and green, but also purple, blue, yellow and black. Some wear dark capes and rubbery masks. Some hold Super Soakers in lieu of death rays. Others wear diapers instead of pants. One is dressed like a ballerina. Another just turned his Halloween costume inside out.

These extra-terrestrials are children participating in an “alien costume contest” inside a McDonald’s in Roswell, New Mexico, as part of the city’s 2007 Amazing Roswell UFO Festival. “Everybody, says George Byrne, a long-time Roswell resident, as he watches his grandchildren prance around the McDonald’s playground in their alien costumes, “needs a gimmick.”

This city has a good one. This year’s edition of the city’s annual four-day festival, which began July 5, commemorates the 60th anniversary of the Roswell Incident, in which military officials from nearby Roswell Army Air Field announced that a “flying disc” had crashed into a local field, a bombshell that was quickly followed by an official dismissal of the initial report. The episode was largely forgotten until 1978 when “Ufologist” Stanton Friedman interviewed Maj. Jesse Marcel-a former Army intelligence officer stationed at RAAF-who alleged that the military had covered up the recovery of an alien spacecraft and crew.

In the nearly 30 years since, the mystery surrounding what actually occurred in July 1947 has only heightened. Whatever the object was, the crash has become the biggest thing to hit Roswell, a town of less than 50,000 people in the barren corner of southeastern New Mexico.

This year’s festival includes guest speakers, costume contests, an Alien Motorcycle Rally, Alien Disc Golf tournament, Alien Chase 10K run, air show, skateboard exhibition and Alien Encounter Haunted House. Scores of vendors sell everything from “alien jerky” and “aura readings” to UFO key chains and “I Believe” bumper stickers inside the Roswell Convention Center. In addition, there are celebrity appearances from the likes of actress Chase Masterson (“Star Trek: Deep Space Nine”) and actor Dean Haglund (Langly from “The X-Files”) and a concert headlined by Alan Parsons and War.

Still, like any good “X-Files” episode, the truth is both out there and in dispute. After the city and Roswell’s UFO Museum reached an impasse over the direction of this year’s festival there are now two festivals: One, the official “2007 Amazing Roswell UFO Festival,” operated by the city and another “The 2007 Roswalien Experience,” run by the International UFO Museum.

“We brought the city to this dance,” says Julie Shuster, the museum’s executive director. “There was no tourism industry in Roswell before the museum. But when we saw who they were bringing in this year we just couldn’t be affiliated with it. They’re making a circus out of it and we have credibility that we refuse to jeopardize.”

Many Roswell residents hadn’t even heard about the crash-let alone thought to capitalize on it-until the International UFO Museum and Research Center opened its doors in 1992. The museum-which now averages more than 12,000 visitors from 35 countries and all 50 states every month-quickly became popular and, in 1996, it held the first UFO Festival. But it wasn’t until the following year that the festival floodgates opened, drawing nearly 50,000 people.

Shuster is not your average true believer. A photo on the wall of her office-alongside autographed pictures of Larry King and Dee Wallace Stone (Elliott’s mom in “E.T.”)-shows Shuster standing beside Lt. Walter Haut. Haut, now deceased, was the former Army public relations officer who was ordered to write the initial press release claiming that the military had recovered a flying disc in 1947. Haut later co-founded the UFO Museum in 1991.

He was also Shuster’s father. But despite the family ties, Shuster had never even heard about the crash until she read the 1980 book The Roswell Incident, one of the first major efforts to document the alleged alien crash and subsequent cover-up. Even then, she was unconvinced. “I read it and I thought that my father had lost his ever-loving mind,” Shuster says. “But then I read it again and I realized how valid this was. My father was a real person and he wasn’t crazy. All the people involved were real, I knew most of them, and they weren’t crazy either. The Roswell Incident happened and it was not of this earth. Those were my father’s words and I believe that very strongly.”

The difference between the two festivals is mostly clearly seen in the lectures. The titles of the city’s fare (“UFOs & The Murder of Marilyn Monroe,” “The Latest in Alien Implant Surgery” and “Reptilian Overlords, Military Abductions, Masonry, Mind Control and The New World Order”) tend to be a tad more sensational than the fare at the Roswalian Experience (“Forensic Methods for Collecting Evidence of Alien Abduction,” “Crop Circles and Fractal Alien Geometry” and “Alien Implants-The Fact, The Mistaken & The Fiction.”)

Several high-profile lecturers-such as Stanton Friedman, Dr. Bruce Maccabee and Freddy Silva-opted to speak at UFO Museum events rather than engage in the more commercial atmosphere eight blocks away. “You just have to accept that sort of thing as part of humans being,” Silva, considered one of the world’s foremost crop circle experts, says. “People who want to discover the truth will come here. People who just want to have a good time will go elsewhere.”

While planning for the future may lead to further contention between the city and the UFO Museum-the museum is planning a new $25 million facility and the city is considering building a UFO-themed amusement park-visitors to this year’s festival(s) appear to be having the best of both (if not more) worlds.

“It’s fantastic,” Joel Lutenberg, a 37-year-old computer technician from New York, says. “In some respects, it’s a typical convention. But there are other things here that add to the flavor. And just the fact that it’s Roswell, which is so well-known, just adds to the appeal.” Still, even an avid science fiction fan (and veteran of various Star Trek and Twilight Zone conventions) like Lutenberg isn’t easily convinced.

“Essentially the jury is still out for me,” Lutenberg says. “I certainly am not the type of person who would rule out the possibility of UFOs but, at the same time, I’d want more physical evidence to be convinced that there’s life on other planets.”

Steve McLaughlin needs no convincing. The 49-year-old from Indianapolis says he’s confident that The Roswell Incident was of “alien origin.” But he’s still getting used to the idea of the UFO culture that has emerged in the 60 years since. “I’m kind of new to all of this,” he says. “At least as far as attending these kind of events. But I’ve had other experiences with this sort of thing…I’ve had contacts since I was 8 years old.”

Contacts?

“Abductions,” McLaughlin clarifies, matter-of-factly. “To me, it was always like a curse. It’s only been the last 10 years or so that I’ve been able to embrace it and turn it into more of a blessing. But I still don’t really fit in with the average UFO person. I mean, some of the people that come to these things are kind of strange.”



Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:45pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:35pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Re: OVNIS-USA.com

I just love the fact that we pulled that poor soul Keith Edwards into this. Sheesh!

A lot of things that we check on is done behind the scenes here in the forum. Myself and a very good number of members pass PMs back and forth all day long with various tid bits and we research it without putting it on the forum until it's necessary - especially when it's hit and miss.

So, even though some got angry with me yesterday and the day before for shooting down their PARC and Xerox ideas, it was because myself and many others had already done the Keith thing - about 11s ago now.

We went through Xerox history from it's conception and everything forward to Keith. That's why. I already knew about it and kept saying something in the thread but nobody wanted to listen.

Meanwhile, we're all made to look like what?


I am glad you brought this up... this is very important. If any of you were EVER to suspect or find out who Isaac really is, do NOT put it here in this forum. I sure as heck wouldn't!!! Do we really want him to get in trouble, arrested? or worse?

Everyone here is excited to have information disclosed. But you can kiss it goodbye if the forum continues to dissect any name that comes up like Vultures on yesterday's road kill !!! (poor innocent Keith Edwards)

If any of you want Isaac or his colleagues to come forth with more information, then we better have some more maturity and couth
.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:51pm

ATO is SO on-the-ball! Better yet! grin
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by dhq on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:27pm

Don't worry folks this is most likely my last post here.

First, to the fellow who thinks I dont have experience with writing or documents. Well, I do but not on message boards, I usually read and write about symbolic logic or epistemology.

Second, mr wright you need to go back and read my first post. I wrote "document structure", you seem think I meant "prose structure" which is different. I dont care about the prose only the structure of the documents, the way they are organized - all superficial, second rate, and again they really dont say anything that can be independently verified. Its all rubbish.

Now, mr wright, about the physics part. Well, I was right and you were wrong. Just because you have not heard about it is not proof that what I said is wrong. I called the University of Southern California and spoke to someone in the physics department and they confirmed (just like I had thought) that according to modern physics anti-gravity is not allowed. Mabey aliens know more about physics and know a way around it, but will have to asume, with out proof, that they have acheived this.

Now to the fun part. About the pig. You are NEVER going to find an exact match to the black one because its modified. I have contacted a second expert and he also says its a pig. But he can't identify the manufature because its toy'd with. You should also try contacting experts and not blindly follow Isaac/Chad & co.

As to me starting on the wrong foot;well, I disagree. I have at least tried to prove my points. Why dont we start with YOU, MR Moderater. Prove to me that Isaac/Chad has worked with alien tech. You are trying to force me to prove a negative.

What ever happend to inocent intill proven guilty? The Isaac documents are not guilty of being proof of alien tech.

Good look to all of you
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Post by Nephilim on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:40pm

dhq - You should try not to let others stir you so much, I am guilty of being stired easily too sometimes, but even at that I shouldn't let what others say get to me, when you think about it, you know it's kind of silly.

Having said that, I value your posts just as much as anyone else who posts about this...we are all kinda 'in the woods' with this subject. wink
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Post by MarkM on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:41pm

"anti-gravity is not allowed".

Hmmm. The scientists that have been working successfully with levitation - superconductors expel magnetic fields, and hence repel magnets - this repulsion can be stronger than gravity, which leads to levitation - will be disappointed that this is not allowed.

On the "outing people" question, I totally agree. Please remember, though that not everyone is privy to these PM's. What I take issue with is saying that a particular line of inquiry has been looked into and dismissed. We don't all see things the same way. With the wealth of info that we're sorting through it's easy for things to slip through the cracks.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:41pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:02pm, castles4me wrote:
speaking of "maturity and couth." that would sure scare away the Isaacs of the world.


Far be it from me to scare aware the Issacs of the world with a swiftly photo-shopped joke.

I see your point though, he’s nearing the end of his life, he doesn’t want to take the secrets that could free the world of tyrannical government rule to his grave, he goes to extraordinary lengths and risks his life to get what little information he has out into the public domain, and a black and white obviously edited joke photo would send him screaming in terror, fleeing for his life across the hills and into the great beyond!!

Or we may be taking ourselves just a little too seriously?

It’s gone anyway. Ahh Urantia606, the fact that he JOKED about alien technology himself and he states, “I’m also interested in………craft and comic art in interaction design.” I highly doubt he would take it as a personal insult but nevertheless we’re both removed…………………………………

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:59pm

Hey dhq:

Just don't cut and run. You were going to get back to me about your thoughts on Roswell.

This is serious business here and we've hardly begun to get to the bottom of this.

Stick with us, don't wimp out. The fun stuff is yet to come.

Urantia606
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:07pm

Hi ATO:

You correctly mention that Keith Edwards has been fingered in this.

My oh my, this is just the beginning. Before this even begins to settle down a little, a LOT more people are going to be pulled into this.....

Urantia606
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:12pm

Hey Dr. Dil:

I know you have a sense of humor but really, your post #563 is in bad taste considering the seriousness of this subject.

Your post is the sort of thing I would expect of an eight year old. Why not post your own photo.

Dr. Edwards has not done anything to make fun of him in that manner. He seems like a nice person.

Urantia606
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Post by castles4me on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:22pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:07pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hi ATO:

You correctly mention that Keith Edwards has been fingered in this.

My oh my, this is just the beginning. Before this even begins to settle down a little, a LOT more people are going to be pulled into this.....

Urantia606


No, she meant that the French website already got a hold of that name because they keep quoting what's going on in the US (our) ufo forums.... and the "wannabe sleuths" in this forum dissected his name for two days as a possible "Isaac" suspect. Which has been proven to NOT be him!!! Like I said in my post above... don't even mention names in here. Whether they are wrong or right. The names go around the world.. for what? to destroy innocent people? Or worse, for the gov. to find the right person and send the MIB huhhuh?
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Post by Fencesitter on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:35pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:27pm, dhq wrote:
[...] I usually read and write about symbolic logic or epistemology.


I don't mean to be a jerk, but I find this claim a bit hard to swallow.... maybe an introductory course at the university level...

I'm calling shenanigans on you because the way you back the premises leading to your conclusion is full of logical fallacy, most notably Appeal to Authority (I asked *two* unnamed pig experts and called an unnamed professor at a University!) and Begging the Question (given that antigravity does not exist, the device cannot be real). As a student of logic, you should be well acquainted with these mechanics employed by charlatans to influence the weak minded.

In your defense, being suspicious of these claims is good - we should need some extraordinary evidence to make us believe any of this. That doesn't make it acceptable to toss out the doctrines of good thinking and try to bend opinion using the same faux-logic that is employed by most of the hoaxters and blind followers themselves. I think you are right to call all of this into question, but you should try to stick to the thought mechanics you would have learned in the course of your studies.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by dhq on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:45pm

Urantia606:

I will get back to you with a little known fact about the Roswell story, but I am too busy right now. Need just a couple more days.

Regarding "repulsion" that is not the same as anti-gravity. Repulsion needs force. Anti-gravity does not involve force.
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Post by dhq on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:59pm

Good job fencesitter! Now thats what I like.

You pointed out two informal fallacies (as apposed to the formal fallacies of symbolic logic).

The physics prof. first name is Robert and I will not divulge any more info on him for obvious reasons.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:04pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:45pm, dhq wrote:
Regarding "repulsion" that is not the same as anti-gravity. Repulsion needs force. Anti-gravity does not involve force.


Well, both are actually 'forces', one is just exerting more influence in this case than the other. I think typically anti-gravity in the modern context refers to altering space around an object to either cancel the effects of gravity entirely, or create a gravitational field of arbitrary strength and direction (for moving things around).

Gravity is the weakest of the 4 fundamental forces in physics... if you're into that kind of thing, you can read more here.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by VonStern on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:06pm

I hate to qute myself! Anyhuv: Why try to hunt down "Isaac"? As I see it, this will only prevent us from hearing from him again! Why are we so determined to brake down the real source of our information, and what do you think it'll provide? I am allmost stunned to se the workings in hand that's been waiting for us in a lifetime or more, being killed by a bunch of pocket investigators! Jezz. If you can't figure things given to you, just go to the informer...you should be ashamed!

If you want to silence the true informer, or Whistleblower, this is the right way!

It really makes me angry, if we true belive that something great is at hand, we sure won't kill any attempt to maybe get new information by harrassing earlier information given to us, freely, as I see it!

If we simply wait a few days, months...then the answer lies in excactly that! Then we know for sure...if it's a hoax, even as good as it might be presented..or as real as several laboratories of CGI throughout the World has claimed, it's the real deal. A few CGI laboratories has publically claimed it's a hoax, but never showed evidence, eg publishing the hoax deal investigated.

Until I (I) see evidence of a true nature...Then I for one see this as is...

Please, you good people, if you havent the right answer at this moment, it's simply because there aren't one!

Who can dechiffer the writings on the drone? Ditto the schematics of the "Isaac" linguistic Primers....?

A lot of you, as I do, watch the news, new games, new movies...and yet we hold no new information.

Sometimes we are in search for something that isn't there...but searching is good, for IF it would reveal something that could give us the answers of the sightings of the "drones", then our mind would be at rest, either way, given it be a hoax...or true ...

As allways, the mind is in ourselves..never on any doubtful mind arissen of dismission of any kind.

JUST a strain of my mind

VonStern

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:07pm

Castles4me:

I really wish the world was a perfect place but it isn't.

I do see your point about 'protecting' people's identity but I sincerely feel it's way too late for that.

Many people associated with UFO's, alien artifacts, inside information about aliens, etc., have ALREADY been named. No one is bothering them.

Art Bell has a whole bag of alien artifacts....did the MIB get him. No. Why? He was public about it. That's the best policy....go public.

I feel you are a bit over worried about this.

Will the so-called 'sleuthing' continue, of course it will. This is a fact everyone will have to live with.

Urantia606
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Cybereality on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:19pm

Hey! I've been somewhat following this thread, but have never posted.

In regards to the webpage of Keith Edwards at url

http://www2.parc.com/csl/members/kedwards/default-parc.html

He mentions;

"¶ I’m also a student of Freemason-inspired conspiracy, but my friend Paul Dourish is much more knowledgeable about that stuff than I am. If you want a primer, read Foucault’s Pendulum (Umberto Eco), or Holy Blood, Holy Grail (Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, Henry Lincoln). Both of these are long reads, but well worth it. I guess you can skip them if you want the short version, because it all comes back to the aliens and the Vatican anyway. The Freemasons have recently got themselves a web site, but it’s obviously a ruse as it has no pertinent information about the aliens."

The friend mentioned, Paul Dourish, and the page the name links to, http://www.dourish.com tells of the book, Paul Dourish wrote named, "Where The Action Is: The Foundations of Embodied Interaction" and outlined at

http://www.dourish.com/embodied/

Reading through this theory, sounds almost IDENTICAL to what Isaac was discussing in regards to physical programming mediums, specifically on the 2 pieces of material.

Is this just coincidence? What if Isaac is one of these 2 and intentionally gave the incorrect date of his employment?






Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:29pm

Hey Cybereality:

No big surprise there, dude.

That is what he was researching at Xerox PARC with alien artifacts.

Isaac was also into the same thing.

People are always interested in literary works that relate to their field of expertise and/or interest.

Urantia606
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Post by Fencesitter on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:31pm

Oh wow - I was just *waiting* for someone to mention Freemasons. The Freemasons are a bunch of old guys sitting around in aprons reciting the longest ongoing play in history. I can assure you they have absolutely nothing to do with this.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:33pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:45pm, dhq wrote:
Urantia606:

I will get back to you with a little known fact about the Roswell story, but I am too busy right now. Need just a couple more days.

Regarding "repulsion" that is not the same as anti-gravity. Repulsion needs force. Anti-gravity does not involve force.


Garsh, gollie, gee DHQ, we have plenty of Roswell here in the General UFO Section. Why must you always go out and look for opinion. Maybe you need to make some of your own and stop depending on people who aren't the least bit involved with the subject.

Where we would have all the information, they would be having to open up their Internet Encyclopedia for just the basics so save your reputation and do neither since we do not want to hear about weather balloons today.

.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:41pm

Who among us here is 100% open minded? In fact, what does that mean exactly - open minded? Anything goes in and anything goes out?

Each of us, whether we're verbalizing it (at least the written equivalent of such) or not, has some sort of an opinion on this. Some are more transparent than others. That's fine, we're human. Science can only take us so far in understanding this enigma. We are limited by our human definitions, perspectives, prejudices, and philosophies. Magic, I believe was the word that Isaac used in association with this interaction between the symbols and the technology. Magic is something that defies (human) logic. The controlled and the controller seamlessly integrated into one manifestation of intent is difficult, if not impossible to fathom by any existing human equation or formula.

As much as I'd like to be PC and say that everyone is capable of understanding this, in my heart I know that this isn't true. Note, I said understanding - accepting and adjusting to it is another story. Anyone can do that. Some people just will not get this. Again, that's fine - but they'll still have to react to it if it's true. That's a critical aspect to pursue, this will be over, it will be resolved. How are we responding now - and how will we respond then?

If this is a trial balloon, a pre-disclosure test of some sort (and I think that's a real possibility), how are we doing?

As to Isaac - wanting to know the man behind the curtain is totally understandable. After all - his credibility is at the very heart of whether the information he presented is truth or fiction. If I were as smart as I believe Isaac to be (hoaxer or messenger), I would thoroughly expect this to happen.

If this is the beginning of disclosure, everyone in your life - the believers, the skeptics, and the apathetic (especially the later two) will have to face the emotional impact of the truth. How will you help them to do that? What will you say to your child? Your mother? Your neighbor? Your clergyman? The newspaper reporter? Whether it's this time or the next, this is the challenge we face - how do we respond?


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by VonStern on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:44pm

MarkM: You grasp the very bone of my light! Thanks! grin
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:46pm

Has anyone made the connection between the Isaac particulars and magic? Materialization and dematerialization, levitation, protective but invisible shields, apparently solid, inactive materials doing things by thought or will alone, all these things attributed to alien tech by Isaac, are also in the magic lore. I don't have a clue if that means anything at all but it is interesting. Think of a magic wand or staff. Apparently solid, no moving parts but reactive to the possessors will. Just a thought.

HJ

Sorry MarkM...you got your post in just before me. I see someone has likened it to magic. Thanks for reminding.
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Post by LangLee on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:50pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 08:08am, DrDil wrote:
An interesting point, funny enough I posted a possible explanation which was and is just an observation.


It may be an illusion but doesn’t that image look like it’s one object sitting on a mirror. Of course I don’t believe that’s what was done but it may have been one image inverted and joined to the original one.


Not mirrored, if you'll look at the right side of your pic you'll notice that there is one of those "caster" looking things partially hidden by one in the foreground. Then look below and you don't see one.
If you mirrored the front or top one you wouldn't be able to see inside the back of it anyway.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Cybereality on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:54pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:31pm, Fencesitter wrote:
Oh wow - I was just *waiting* for someone to mention Freemasons. The Freemasons are a bunch of old guys sitting around in aprons reciting the longest ongoing play in history. I can assure you they have absolutely nothing to do with this.


you should really read the entire message before commenting, I wasnt pointing out ANYTHING to do with the freemasons, I was mentioning Paul Dourish.
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Post by VonStern on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:58pm

As we are dealing with young minds here, not all should be credited out of place.

To determine the facts...it takes an open mind.

The older you get, the closer mind...

That's a constant that's been prooved as a human.

Let's hear from the true "openminded"...!

New blood sometimes gives the true clues. cool

/I hope this will not flood this thread..if so forgive me smiley

VonStern
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Post by Fencesitter on Jul 7th, 2007, 4:02pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:54pm, Cybereality wrote:
you should really read the entire message before commenting, I wasnt pointing out ANYTHING to do with the freemasons, I was mentioning Paul Dourish.


Yes, that came across wrong, Cyber - didn't mean to point a finger at you smiley

I was just waiting to see some post with the word "Freemason" in it. They're the conspiracy theorists' favorite fall-guy...
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 7th, 2007, 4:16pm

Perhaps when seeking to identify "S1" we must first identify "The Ghost In The Machine"

http://www.abc.net.au/science/bigquestions/s460741.htm
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 4:28pm

MarkM:

You bring up the topic of 'magic'. Right on target!

Take two bar magnets and place the north end of one opposite the north end of the other.

They repel each other with a STRONG INVISIBLE force. Sort of like magic. Yet you cannot SEE anything.

Just an example of what appears to be magical.

Of course our ET's (and Isaac) are doing something even more exotic: the manipulation of gavity.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 7th, 2007, 4:29pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:44pm, VonStern wrote:
MarkM: You grasp the very bone of my light! Thanks! grin


Interesting translation cheesy - but I understand. Thank you, friend.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by LangLee on Jul 7th, 2007, 4:31pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:41pm, MarkM wrote:
"anti-gravity is not allowed".

Hmmm. The scientists that have been working successfully with levitation - superconductors expel magnetic fields, and hence repel magnets - this repulsion can be stronger than gravity, which leads to levitation - will be disappointed that this is not allowed.

On the "outing people" question, I totally agree. Please remember, though that not everyone is privy to these PM's. What I take issue with is saying that a particular line of inquiry has been looked into and dismissed. We don't all see things the same way. With the wealth of info that we're sorting through it's easy for things to slip through the cracks.


Also, if you look at Patents about Anti-Gravity there is one , why give it out if it's not possible. (amended)
It cracks me up when someone asks one of our scientsts something, as if our kind knows all. Ask one of them why a magnet is the only thing on Earth that can perform an action endlessly without a power source. He can't because they have no idea, they will tell you what they think but you won't get a definitive answer.
Since our race is so young, wouldn't one without such short sightedness see that a race much much older than us has conquered most of what we think ( but I don't ) is impossible.
That's asking alot, most can't see past their own front doors, or have the attitude that "if I can't do it , it must not be possible." Those will be the one's that line the bridges and buildings ready to leap when their closed world and minds are cracked open with the truth.
Many things were impossible, lights, radio, television, flying, curing disease to name a few. I could be wrong, maybe none of this has happened and I'm sitting in a cave beating on a rock.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 7th, 2007, 4:46pm

Note: before everyone jumps in thinking, "Oh, great, now he thinks it's magic!" Understand that this word (concept) was used to illustrate our limited ability to fully understand how S1 functions. This was the analogy that Isaac drew himself.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 7th, 2007, 4:47pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:58pm, VonStern wrote:
As we are dealing with young minds here, not all should be credited out of place.
To determine the facts...it takes an open mind.
The older you get, the closer mind...
That's a constant that's been prooved as a human.
Let's hear from the true "openminded"...!
New blood sometimes gives the true clues. cool
/I hope this will not flood this thread..if so forgive me smiley

VonStern


I appreciate all of your comments VonStern... please never feel you can't post here. We are all in this together, the whole world!!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 5:02pm



Only because everyone reads this thread, I thought I would show you an ongoing alien/UFO poll on AOL right now.

Poll Results
Have you ever seen a UFO?

No 71%
Yes 29%
Total Votes: 44,508

Do you believe that aliens have visited Earth?

Yes 72%
No 28%
Total Votes: 44,489


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by VonStern on Jul 7th, 2007, 5:49pm

Well, if the polls are right, the time of disclosure couldn't come at a better time! grin

As for throwing in a bone:

How is it, that the cropcirles has any relations to the "Drones"?

Look at the "Linguistic Primer" at Isaac's site.

If one were to believe, that hoaxers throughout the world are spending lots of ours making these dar'n thingies, why are some like the exact copies of just that shown on the Schematics provided by "Isaaac"? (Or close to it)

Could there be a link, or is that also a hoax? And if so..

Why?

Just some thougts for your minds to toggle..and to relate to the "Drones"...Antigravity...Gravity...in reverse it might just be the solving of circes uncovered?

Go for it!

VonStern
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by AgentM on Jul 7th, 2007, 5:51pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:27pm, dhq wrote:
First, I dont have experience,

Second, modern physics anti-gravity is not allowed.

Now to the fun part. About the pig. I have contacted a pig. But he can't identify the manufature because its toy'd with.

First: I agree.
Second: Uhh, What? Your hurting my brain.
Third: We do not toy with pigs on this thread
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:01pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 4:31pm, LangLee wrote:
Also, if you look at Patents about Anti-Gravity there is one , why give it out if it's not possible. (amended)

Actually, I found an article about this patent. Tell me what to think. How come experts were deceived? They must have decided to give a patent because they had a good reason.
Mind, it's a Google translation.
NOVEMBER 11, 2005
Patented pseudo-science
(New Obs): Patent 6.960.975 granted by the Office American of the patents to Boris Volfson, of Indiana, is likely to make squeak some teeth on the side of the physicists. Going against the principle according to which an invention defying the laws of physics cannot be patented, the American office of patents (USPTO) validated a system resting on anti-gravity. According to Robert Park, American Company of physics, questioned by the Natural review, that shows that the experts in patents can be deceived by pseudo-science.

The patented apparatus is in fact a space vehicle which is propelled thanks to a shield superconductor which deforms the curve of the space time and thus thwarts the effects of gravity. This principle of anti-gravity implies that there is an inexhaustible source of energy and that the perpetual motion is possible. A machine animated by such a movement could indefinitely function without additional fuel. A hope prohibited by the laws of physics.

The first law of thermodynamics establishes indeed that energy does not emerge ex nihilo and that it is always preserved: it changes but neither is created nor destroyed. What means that there not being able to be mechanical movement without the environment of the machine him transfer a quantity of at least equivalent energy.

Patent 6.960.975 is thus well embarrassing for the USPTO which was opposed before to such inventions, points out the Nature magazine. At the beginning of the XXème century, to avoid patenting the machines claiming to create the perpetual motion, the office had even decided that such files would be examined only if the apparatus had functioned during at least a year.


The article in French is here

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by AgentM on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:03pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:31pm, Fencesitter wrote:
Oh wow - I was just *waiting* for someone to mention Freemasons. The Freemasons are a bunch of old guys sitting around in aprons reciting the longest ongoing play in history. I can assure you they have absolutely nothing to do with this.


I agree. The Ancient Masons & Free Masons have nothing to do with this. It is absurd to bring up this link.
The Masons are thinkers and just happen to donate an average of $2 million per day worldwide to mostly childrens causes.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:06pm

I just received a text message from my Brother. He's in the sixth row from the front at Live Earth at Giants Stadium in New Jersey. Says the energy is amazing - can you imagine if we could accomplish that for disclosure? We need an Al Gore.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:17pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:01pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
Actually, I found an article about this patent. Tell me what to think. How come experts were deceived? They must have decided to give a patent because they had a good reason.


I saw that the other day and I thought I was just a spoof.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:20pm

AgentM is correct. We don't toy with pigs on this site. We leave that to the Space Aliens.

We do everyday stuff like Anti-gravity, Over-Unity, Time Travel and Invisible Drones on this site.

Oooops.....my chair is rising.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:22pm



Regarding government disclosure:
How many different places in the forum have I said something about (obviously the government would have had at some point, the equivalence of a round table and sitting at that table would have been the most renowned psychiatrists and psychologists in their field?)

It's really not a question, you don't have to answer that. I'm being facitious. The answer is three times.

Quote:
The undisputed facts of Gray’s official career are almost as intriguing. In 1951 and 1952, he served as the director of the Psychological Strategy Board, a newly formed group that plotted government “psychological operations.” From 1958 to 1961, he served as national security adviser before being replaced by McGeorge Bundy, and he remained on the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board through the Ford administration.


http://www.ufocasebook.com/newburyport.html

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:27pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:20pm, urantia606 wrote:
AgentM is correct. We don't toy with pigs on this site. We leave that to the Space Aliens.

We do everyday stuff like Anti-gravity, Over-Unity, Time Travel and Invisible Drones on this site.

Oooops.....my chair is rising.


And, I hear the household is still angry with you for bending all of that silverware with your mind.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:27pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:22pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Regarding government disclosure:
How many different places in the forum have I said something about (obviously the government would have had at some point, the equivalence of a round table and sitting at that table would have been the most renowned psychiatrists and psychologists in their field?)

It's really not a question, you don't have to answer that. I'm being facetious. The answer is three times.



http://www.ufocasebook.com/newburyport.html


What did I miss? Not sure what this is in reference to.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:30pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:27pm, MarkM wrote:
What did I miss? Not sure what this is in reference to.


You've seen it before Mark. It's why I'm shunned in here. lol

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=disclosure&num=1179096560&start=0


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:36pm

You make an excellent case (as usual smiley). Speaking only for myself -

I would rather face fear than live in ignorance.

To my government: I will forgive you in exchange for the truth.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:42pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:27pm, dhq wrote:
I called the University of Southern California and spoke to someone in the physics department and they confirmed (just like I had thought) that according to modern physics anti-gravity is not allowed.


i wonder if they've ever heard of albert einstein and robert forward?


http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normal&id=AJPIAS000031000003000166000001&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes


more!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gravity#Tests.2C_real_anti-gravity


it seems physicists take the concept seriously after all... are you sure you didnt call usc community college?

i hope its not your last post, varied points of view are an asset to forums like this

there is strength in our differences




Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:46pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:36pm, MarkM wrote:
You make an excellent case (as usual smiley). Speaking only for myself -

I would rather face fear than live in ignorance.

To my government: I will forgive you in exchange for the truth.



But what about that 80 year old couple living next door or the kids playing in the street?




11757 641 777
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:50pm

Hey JWWright:

Dhq is right, the professor he spoke to failed to mention that Anti-Gravity is not allowed for Freshmen.

But it is allowed for the Senior Physics students, as long as they've had a few beers first.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:52pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:50pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hey JWWright:

Dhq is right, the professor he spoke to failed to mention that Anti-Gravity is not allowed for Freshmen.

But it is allow for the Senior Physics students, as long as they've had a few beers.


We need more comedians like you urantia. woo hoo!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:54pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:46pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
But what about that 80 year old couple living next door or the kids playing in the street?



You missed the second half of my first statement. I don't pretend to speak for others, only for myself. As to how others would respond to the reality (the reality, not the concept, there is a difference) - I have no idea, and neither does anyone else, save for the individual. Judging by the poll numbers that you just posted, it shouldn't come as any surprise. But then that's the distinction that I've reiterated several times - there's a big difference between accepting this intellectually and accepting it emotionally.

Maybe that's why we need the bridges in place before we attempt that journey.

I certainly don't believe that I have the right to decide who receives knowledge and who doesn't. If one believes that the government has been withholding information for decades, then there has already been selective disclosure. Thousands of military and civilian personnel are already "in the know".

This is probably best suited for the Disclosure thread so I'll stop mentioning this here. My apologies.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:59pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:27pm, dhq wrote:
Now to the fun part. About the pig. You are NEVER going to find an exact match to the black one because its modified. I have contacted a second expert and he also says its a pig. But he can't identify the manufature because its toy'd with.


i'd settle for one that even looks close, i kit bash miniatures for modeling studio quality spaceships and other sci fi props, and like others that do this, can readily identify objects used in kitbashing. (study under the master, martin bower)

if this were a kitbash alone, its masterful without the claim of being an antigrav

how much are the pigs? they must be expensive, i bet, thousands? and very heavy....

also, modifying one to look as sweet as the antigrav... looks like a huge effort, dont you think?

wouldnt it be easier to build an antigrav prop from scratch?

or in a 3d program?

the pig explanation is ludicrous, makes no sense, so much effort for what payoff?

and thats just a teeny aspect of the whole drone case...

my god, what a herculean effort for the sake of a hoax, if so it is unprecedented


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 7:19pm

A brand new pipeline pig can cost as much as a new car.

Maybe someone got it at a used pipeline pig lot.%20grin

Remember what someone did with an old DeLorean once.%20grin
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Krieger99 on Jul 7th, 2007, 7:40pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:59pm, dhq wrote:
Good job fencesitter! Now thats what I like.

You pointed out two informal fallacies (as apposed to the formal fallacies of symbolic logic).

The physics prof. first name is Robert and I will not divulge any more info on him for obvious reasons.


Robert Hellwarth?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by VonStern on Jul 7th, 2007, 7:46pm

Now that we're talking science:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exotic_matter

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/E/exotic_matter.html

Even Denmark is in for the great news in NANO:

http://www.dme-spm.dk/www.dme-spm.dk

Anyway, it's all about robots in molecule size.

Why would Exotic Matter not respond to actions once implemented and executed by linguistic commands, as taken a step forward in this technology?

Maybe we are still terrestrial. As for the information to obtain this knowledge, is the question.

If Governments are witholding evidence of this, they aren't doing a good job, provided Alien tech comes close to this technology.

If the source...witch is not to be proven, are indeed Alien of origin, the secrets are well kept.

Perhaps that's why the silence of Govt's and the common trade.

Do not forget Isaac: It was Extraterrestrial knowledge/science for Commercial use it was all about in the 80's.

This could actually be the truth unveailed.

The origin of the technology are not to be found, at least not by me, if you can, please do tell.

Just a thought...

VonStern



Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by ABCStore on Jul 7th, 2007, 7:54pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 06:24am, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
I had several trusted friends & experts in CGI (computer
generated Images) examine these images, as well as the earlier
Coast to Coast images. One examiner is Mr. Steve Neil who has
and continues to do computer generated images for the History
channels television program 'UFO Files'.


UFO Files has the worst computer graphics on TV.

ABC

P.S. Guys, you're typing faster than I read =)
(now back to page 22)
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by CloudBreak on Jul 7th, 2007, 8:15pm

Not sure if I need to defend pysicists here or not, but I will say a little with regards to them and antigravity.

If anyone contacted a decent physicist and asked them if antigravity were possible, then it would be reasonable for them to say that according to the laws of modern physics, that antigravity is not possible, (dhq was slated for this and other things, but the physicists he approached behaved as they should). By the way antigravity is thought of as the method of shielding an object from the forces of gravity exerted by external objects. In itself it is not considered a force, pending future discoveries regarding possible negative matter.

As I have said before the force of gravity is poorly understood. Physicists do not like ideas that are not backed up by equations. It is considered bad form for a physicist to present an experimental paper where he/she has not at least demonstrated some understanding of the theory behind the results. We need and strive to understand everything around us. Antigravity to most physicists goes against what they understand. It is however apparent that some physicists think way beyond what they have been taught or have read. I myself do not know if Einstein's equations allow or forbid antigravity. I only touched on general relativity for a term. I could look for cases on the web, but I fear I would be wasting my time. The web is a funny place for physics. There are so many distortions/misinterpretations of current understanding by people wanting to prove their own personal cases, that it is hard to know what to trust. There is a truth, but finding it on the web will be tough.

Patents should ideally be a good source to indicate what may be possible, but patent clerks are not always at the top of the field and are not always knowledgable enough to know whether a patent should be granted. Mistakes are made. Stick to reputable journals where papers are published through peer review and the occassional book or comment from genuine scientists at reputable universities.

Having said all that, I personally believe that nature must allow some form of gravity shielding, purely because I believe that some ufos are of alien origin and I believe they display flight characteristics that would imply inertial dampening of the craft with respect to the surroundings, i.e. this allows acceleration at incredible rates.

It is also well known that the public side of NASA and other companies have spent time and money investigating the possibilities of antigravity. They would not do this if they were absolutely certain that antigravity was entirely forbidden by the current known laws of physics.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 7th, 2007, 8:53pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 5:51pm, AgentM wrote:
First: I agree.
Second: Uhh, What? Your hurting my brain.
Third: We do not toy with pigs on this thread


I toyed with a pig once.....
the bacon was delicious.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 9:03pm

on Jul 6th, 2007, 06:24am, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
Found this on virtuallystrange.net .... all these things out there that need to be 'confirmed'.......


on Jul 7th, 2007, 7:54pm, ABStore wrote:
UFO Files has the worst computer graphics on TV.

ABC

P.S. Guys, you're typing faster than I read =)
(now back to page 22)


It's actually easier then that ABStore. Instead of going back to page 22. Click the name of whoever is being quoted and that takes you to that actual post - i.e., CentralScrutinizer. This way, if you want to return to this position after reading, you just click back one and you're right back here.

Thanks for the insight on the computer graphic comment.
.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 7th, 2007, 9:07pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 7:46pm, VonStern wrote:
Now that we're talking science:

Even Denmark is in for the great news in NANO:
http://www.dme-spm.dk/www.dme-spm.dk
Anyway, it's all about robots in molecule size.

Why would Exotic Matter not respond to actions once implemented and executed by linguistic commands, as taken a step forward in this technology?......
If Governments are witholding evidence of this, they aren't doing a good job, provided Alien tech comes close to this technology.
..........Perhaps that's why the silence of Govt's and the common trade.

Do not forget Isaac: It was Extraterrestrial knowledge/science for Commercial use it was all about in the 80's........
VonStern


Hey Von Stern.... The United States is also studying a nano technology. But, I think like you.. the more I study into the alien technology, the more I realize that most of our technology comes from them. All of these research teams that worked for Department of Defense were all integrated with other real laboratories and the technology flowed back and forth from scientist to scientist giving us the computer systems we have, the medical technology, space, military -- secret and then not secret. It's been slowly filtered into every aspect of our being and our psyche.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 7th, 2007, 9:33pm

UPDATING THOSE RESULT, WITH COMPARISON

Poll Results

Have you ever seen a UFO? - 5:00 CT
No 71%
Yes 29%
Total Votes: 44,508

Have you ever seen a UFO? - 9:30 CT
No 72%
Yes 28%
Total Votes: 145,736

(ABOVE, TOTALS INCREASED BUT PERCENTAGES ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL)
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Do you believe that aliens have visited Earth? - 5:00 CT
Yes 72%
No 28%
Total Votes: 44,489

Do you believe that aliens have visited Earth? - 9:30 CT
Yes 72%
No 28%
Total Votes: 146,161

(ABOVE, TOTALS INCREASED BUT PERCENTAGES ARE EXACTLY IDENTICAL)

I think it's save to say that 72% of all AOL users believe that aliens have visited Earth.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by figneutron on Jul 7th, 2007, 9:45pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:45pm, dhq wrote:
Urantia606:

I will get back to you with a little known fact about the Roswell story, but I am too busy right now. Need just a couple more days.

Regarding "repulsion" that is not the same as anti-gravity. Repulsion needs force. Anti-gravity does not involve force.


I contend that no earthling knows what anti-gravity involves. However, I may be wrong, because Isaac implies that he knows something about it. If this is true, then he has a moral obligation to share such knowledge with the out-in-the open (above ground) scientific community. Why should earthly scientists waste trillons of dollars and man hours discovering what Isaac already knows? The benefit to humanity of such knowledge could be incalculably great.

Attempting to be crystal clear about what I have tried to say in my posts, I assert the following:

Isaac has yet to give us the technical information so that we can take him at his word. I suspect he does not have such knowledge, because I think the technology incorporated in the strange craft is thousands of years more advanced then ours. But I could be wrong here, and I beseech Isaac to give us the new science that would substantiate his spectacular disclosures.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 9:56pm

Ok Figneutron:

Thanks for that info on Anti-Gravity. I'm sure that Isaac will see your point and be posting more of his discovery soon. I hope he does so this evening.

Now, what about the crash at Roswell. Did a UFO crash there or not? Do you have some inside info that could clear up this matter once and for all?

By the way, are you a science type guy?

Urantia ....was able to get a passing grade in high school chemistry....that's about it.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by jugement on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:17pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:07pm, urantia606 wrote:
Castles4me:

I really wish the world was a perfect place but it isn't.

I do see your point about 'protecting' people's identity but I sincerely feel it's way too late for that.

Many people associated with UFO's, alien artifacts, inside information about aliens, etc., have ALREADY been named. No one is bothering them.

Art Bell has a whole bag of alien artifacts....did the MIB get him. No. Why? He was public about it. That's the best policy....go public.

I feel you are a bit over worried about this.

Will the so-called 'sleuthing' continue, of course it will. This is a fact everyone will have to live with.

Urantia606
that is not actualy true,they can replace people with a clone.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:19pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:45pm, castles4me wrote:

I am glad you brought this up... this is very important. If any of you were EVER to suspect or find out who Isaac really is, do NOT put it here in this forum. I sure as heck wouldn't!!! Do we really want him to get in trouble, arrested? or worse?

Everyone here is excited to have information disclosed. But you can kiss it goodbye if the forum continues to dissect any name that comes up like Vultures on yesterday's road kill !!! (poor innocent Keith Edwards)

If any of you want Isaac or his colleagues to come forth with more information, then we better have some more maturity and couth
.


Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. But I believe we need to take it a step further. We need to go beyond treating the witnesses with respect, we need to go against those who do not. Only this way can we show our support and let people like Isaac know that we will do everything in our power to make sure they are treated right.

If you think I may be going overboard, think about what recently happened in OMF where a debunker tried to get an expert witness in trouble with his own company for coming forward. Don't be fooled. There are many out there who don't want this to happen.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by figneutron on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:33pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 9:56pm, urantia606 wrote:
Ok Figneutron:

Thanks for that info on Anti-Gravity. I'm sure that Isaac will see your point and be posting more of his discovery soon. I hope he does so this evening.

Now, what about the crash at Roswell. Did a UFO crash there or not? Do you have some inside info that could clear up this matter once and for all?

Although I am a psychologist by profession, my undergraduate degree is in mathematics, and I am a pretty good amateur computer programmer (in the past 10 years I have had collegiate training in the major programming languages). In addition, I try to keep up with research in cosmology and particle physics, so I believe I have an uncommon awareness of where we are in our understanding of the physical universe. i

By the way, are you a science type guy?

Urantia ....was able to get a passing grade in high school chemistry....that's about it.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:34pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 8:15pm, CloudBreak wrote:
By the way antigravity is thought of as the method of shielding an object from the forces of gravity exerted by external objects. In itself it is not considered a force, pending future discoveries regarding possible negative matter.


I'm not as up on this as I should be either, but I believe one prominent theory on anti-gravity (or gravity control I guess you could call it) is related to altering or 'flattening' the space surrounding an object (to use that old trampoline analogy), but not exactly shielding it... The difference between shielding and altering becomes important when you consider not just flattening, but tilting it in a different direction...

I'm going to try and explain this a bit for those of you that may have skipped physics class for other activities like kissing girls and going to those good parties that nerds don't get invited to wink

Imagine that old way of explaining gravity: put a huge, heavy steel bowling ball in the center of a trampoline, bending the fabric nearly to the ground. Now take a basketball, and if you put it on the trampoline, it will roll toward the heavier ball... The mass of the heavy ball has 'bent' the fabric of the trampoline, which causes other objects placed on the trampoline to move toward it - this is one way of thinking about how the mass of a large object (like a planet) 'bends' the fabric of space and causes other objects to fall toward it. With some practice, you can even get a basketball or tennis ball to roll around the center in an 'orbit' around the heavier ball. As it rolls around, the lighter ball still, from it's own mass, creates an indent in the fabric, which pulls very slightly on the very heavy ball in the center, but not enough to really move it out of position.

(this is the important part) Now imagine if you had a circular wooden disc - like the top of a small round table. Even if the heavy ball were still in the center, if you put the round tabletop underneath the fabric and pushed up hard enough, you could create a 'flat' surface in the fabric where the basketball could sit without moving any closer to the center. In fact, if you then tilted the table, you could make the ball roll in any direction you wanted, ignoring the 'gravity' of the heavy ball in the middle. The heavier the ball in the center, the more energy you would have to spend pushing on that table to flatten the fabric, or to essentially overcome the effects of the mass in the center.

There are two important differences in the way the big steel ball and the tabletop effect the 'fabric' ... the closer you put a smaller object (like a tennis ball) to the big steel ball, the faster it will roll to the center. The angle of the fabric is not uniform - it's like a curve that gets steeper in the middle, and the farther you get from the center, the slower the ball will start off rolling. Once you put that big weight in the center, though, it doesn't take any effort on your part to keep that gravity effect going... you could come back hours later and the 'gravity' would still be there.

The table top is a different matter. First, it takes a great deal of effort (energy) on your part to push up and create the flat surface. The second you let go, the table top drops, and the weight in the center takes over control of the fabric. Even more importantly, is that if you angle the tabletop to make the lighter ball roll in a different direction, it creates a flat incline, and no matter where you put a ball in that small round area, it will always start rolling at the same speed toward the lowest edge of the table top. If you practiced a bit, you could move the tabletop along underneath the rolling lighter ball to keep it rolling at whatever speed and in whatever direction you wanted.

The whole idea of creating a small area of controlled gravity and then 'tilting' it however you want (and moving that field around to keep it surrounding a ship of some kind) is the basic premise behind the use of a controlled gravity field as a form of propulsion.

That's at least one way of looking at how natural gravity as opposed to a controlled gravity field work - it's an analogy and not the way things really happen... in fact, no-one's even sure at this point how the true physics actually work, and the best minds in the field are slugging away at it daily. Maybe next year, someone will wrap their brain around it and we'll have to throw away the whole trampoline idea... For now, I'm grabbing a beer and heading off to one of 'those' parties wink

(sorry for the gigantic post... I thought some people might find some of this interesting)


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Post by LangLee on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:37pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 9:45pm, figneutron wrote:
I contend that no earthling knows what anti-gravity involves.


Someone did but the secret died with him

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa071999.htm
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Post by castles4me on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:41pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:34pm, Fencesitter wrote:
The whole idea of creating a small area of controlled gravity and then 'tilting' it however you want (and moving that field around to keep it surrounding a ship of some kind) is the basic premise behind the use of a controlled gravity field as a form of propulsion.


I wonder if this is why sometimes we see in UFO pictures (not the drones) in a kind of tilted position when they are flying?
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Post by figneutron on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:46pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 9:56pm, urantia606 wrote:
Ok Figneutron:

Thanks for that info on Anti-Gravity. I'm sure that Isaac will see your point and be posting more of his discovery soon. I hope he does so this evening.

Now, what about the crash at Roswell. Did a UFO crash there or not? Do you have some inside info that could clear up this matter once and for all?

Although I am a psychologist by profession, my undergraduate degree is in mathematics, and I am a pretty good amateur computer programmer (in the past 10 years I have had collegiate training in the major programming languages). In addition, I try to keep up with research in cosmology and particle physics, so I believe I have an uncommon awareness of where we are in our understanding of the physical universe. In this regard, the fact that aliens are visiting us means that our scientific understanding of the universe is basically wrong or grossly incomplete. According to known physics, unrestricted, "non-trivial" interstellar travel is impossible. Therefore, I conclude that our present day physics is relatively very primitive. I suspect that the aliens travel by manipulating space, and to the best of my knowledge our scientists have no clue about how that would be done.

By the way, are you a science type guy?

Urantia ....was able to get a passing grade in high school chemistry....that's about it.

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Post by castles4me on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:47pm

Atrueoriginal... thanks for posting those statistics, that's interesting information.

I just wonder how many of the %75 percent that say they believe would accept it. (I know ya'll touched on this earlier) I am just wondering for myself too.
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Post by AgentM on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:52pm

I just noticed on Peter Davenports site National UFO Reporting Center www.nuforc.com that a new crop circle has been discovered in Washington State.

It does look primative but it also sort of resembles one of the characters in Issacs linguistics.

Also a witness is said to have popped a pic with his cell phone of a hovering object.

Be great if it turns out to be a drone variation.

The proximity of the road is a bit suspect though.
I wish there was more detail in the actual "weaving" of the stalks.TEXT
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Post by LangLee on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:54pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:41pm, castles4me wrote:
I wonder if this is why sometimes we see in UFO pictures (not the drones) in a kind of tilted position when they are flying?


In the Capitola sequence it is tilted.
I couldn't understand why someone said it was center wire prop driven, it has no surfaces for creating lift.
I read the due to the Earth's fluxuating magntic field disk shaped craft exhibit a jerkiness due to the ships field generator compensating. At least some of them.
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Post by jugement on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:56pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:19pm, Latitude wrote:
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. But I believe we need to take it a step further. We need to go beyond treating the witnesses with respect, we need to go against those who do not. Only this way can we show our support and let people like Isaac know that we will do everything in our power to make sure they are treated right.

If you think I may be going overboard, think about what recently happened in OMF where a debunker tried to get an expert witness in trouble with his own company for coming forward. Don't be fooled. There are many out there who don't want this to happen.
this is what I have been saying all alone they can clone him and lobotimaze his brain and we will think we are seeing and hearing the same person, we have to think people, those MIB,s dont have a concous.ON another note et dont have fellings or do they display fellings,did you see how they did TRavis WAlton,fire in the sky. WAKE UP .
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Post by jugement on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:03pm

HEY MARK M,DRDIL ,and all:I went to coral castle today. got a lot to catch up with. silly me I made amistake and deleted all my pictures . I dont know how to scan nor post them, got some from a past trip. good place to visit try it when any of you are in south florida . take care all talk soon . grin
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Post by Fencesitter on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:14pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 8:15pm, CloudBreak wrote:
If anyone contacted a decent physicist and asked them if antigravity were possible, then it would be reasonable for them to say that according to the laws of modern physics, that antigravity is not possible...


Cloud - So true! You've obviously paid your dues in an academic environment smiley I worked at 'a big research university' for a number of years (in fact I married a very hot and renowned genetic engineer from there!) and the reputation guarding and fostering is "out of this world" (ha ha). The old tenured weirdos would try to publish something a little 'out there' from time to time, but the Deans/Principal/President always kept signing authority over research projects and budgets to make sure nothing 'unsanctioned' ever made it to the media. Well said, old bean!

on Jul 7th, 2007, 8:15pm, CloudBreak wrote:
I myself do not know if Einstein's equations allow or forbid antigravity.


Someone please correct me, but I'm reasonably sure that General Relativity requires control of gravitational fields to be possible. In Einstein's model, gravity is a rudimentary force and can be described by a Unified Field Theory. Flippantly stated, if we can create and control magnetism, it is necessarily true that we can create and control gravity, even if we have no idea how to do that at this point. Einstein was latched on to some old models in his mind by the time quantum physics made the scene, so he became a bit of an anachronism. If physical theory was up to date with him in his formative years, he probably would have nailed it wink

(edited for typo)
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:24pm

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Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:29pm

Control panels from Roswell craft.

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Post by urantia606 on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:40pm

Roswell craft 'I' beam lettering.

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Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 8th, 2007, 02:06am

Those photos are fakes. They were created by Ray Santilli for his "Alien Autopsy" film. He admitted the film was a modern creation and not actual footage.

"Alien objects, supposedly items recovered from the crash site, were depicted in the footage. These included alien symbols and six-finger control panels, which Santilli describes in the Sky documentary as being the result of artistic licence on his part. These artifacts were also created by Humphreys. The footage also showed a man reading a statement "verifying" his identity as the original cameraman and the source of the footage. Santilli and Shoefield admitted in the documentary that they had found an unidentified homeless man on the streets of Los Angeles, persuaded him to play the role of the cameraman, and filmed him in a hotel."
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Post by reptile256 on Jul 8th, 2007, 05:36am

Hello again,

I don't know if someone already asked this, but do you think it's possible that there might be some goverment or other interest groups effort to divert attention from the new Roswell book to this? This elite could have the means to plan and execute a hoax this big and detailed. To me the most amazing input are still the artifacts photos of the CARET research report - that would have taken some time and money, to inscribe the fonts onto this apparently smooth material, don't you agree?
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Post by DrDil on Jul 8th, 2007, 06:41am

on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:40pm, urantia606 wrote:
Roswell craft 'I' beam lettering.



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Post by DrDil on Jul 8th, 2007, 07:10am

John Hutchison (The Hutchinson Effect)
Einstein's Unified Field Theory?

1) Levitation of heavy objects.
2) Fusion of dissimilar materials such as metal and wood, while lacking any displacement.
3) The anomalous heating of metals without burning adjacent material.
4) The spontaneous fracturing of metals.
5) Changes in the crystalline structure and physical properties of metals.
6) Disappearance of metal samples.

Watch short example.

Einsteins zero point (residual) energy?

Perpetual motion or Pseudoscientific?
“Time variant magneto-mechanical interactions” (Free energy)
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UNRELATED Disclosure:

Ray Boywer 1 mile wide UFO clip 1

Ray Boywer 1 mile wide UFO clip 2
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Post by DrDil on Jul 8th, 2007, 08:06am

on Jul 8th, 2007, 05:36am, reptile256 wrote:
Hello again, I don't know if someone already asked this, but do you think it's possible that there might be some goverment or other interest groups effort to divert attention from the new Roswell book to this?

It’s certainly a posssiblilty, however I believe it’s infinitely more plausible that the affidavit of Haut was discovered prior to release as the parallels between their circumstances are very striking. Rather than go off topic I’ve just posted something about this on another thread

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 8th, 2007, 08:35am


george@coasttocoastam.com


Write him and say,
WHAT'S UP WITH ISAAC, YOU STILL COMMUNICATING
OR HAS HE CUT YOU OFF
WHAT'S UP?
THOUSANDS OF FORUM MEMBERS
WANT TO KNOW

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Post by LangLee on Jul 8th, 2007, 08:42am

Early on someone said that the Craft flies based on the Hutchinson Principle.
Interesting that the Canadian Government removed his equipment from his home and didn't return it when Court ordered, he was told by sources that it was shipped to the USA, and the military has had quite a bit of success with his technology.
Hhhhhhmmmmmm
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Post by DrDil on Jul 8th, 2007, 08:45am

on Jul 8th, 2007, 08:42am, LangLee wrote:
Early on someone said that the Craft flies based on the Hutchinson Principle.
Interesting that the Canadian Government removed his equipment from his home and didn't return it when Court ordered, he was told by sources that it was shipped to the USA, and the military has had quite a bit of success with his technology.
Hhhhhhmmmmmm

He’s also been banned from replicating the experiments in his apartment block due to disrupting the neighbours (appliances?).

Also, did you know that government can SEIZE any new invention that, “Contravenes National Security?” I wonder if free energy falls under this category? There’s a couple of cases where free energy has been released, only for the inventor to be found dead or disappear completely before full disclosure was followed through.
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Post by jugement on Jul 8th, 2007, 08:54am

on Jul 8th, 2007, 08:35am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
george@coasttocoastam.com


Write him and say,
WHAT'S UP WITH ISAAC, YOU STILL COMMUNICATING
OR HAS HE CUT YOU OFF
WHAT'S UP?
THOUSANDS OF FORUM MEMBERS
WANT TO KNOW
please read ;breaking news ufo casebook web site;7-08-07,the strange craft:implications and ruminations.did isaac say he will get back to us in a few months. why; If he is not harassed ect, and that he had files that are not aranged.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 8th, 2007, 09:03am

on Jul 8th, 2007, 08:54am, jugement wrote:
please read ;breaking news ufo casebook web site;7-08-07,the strange craft:implications and ruminations.did isaac say he will get back to us in a few months. why; If he is not harassed ect, and that he had files that are not aranged.

Yeah, but Dirk has took his time publishing any articles on the Drones. And he has been recieving them. Maybes he feels the time is right? The only other one (I think) was the Drone Meme.
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Post by jugement on Jul 8th, 2007, 09:15am

okay drdil.yet my main concern is for Isaac,and thought we should be more patience, me my self is still learning to do just that.then I think we are alittle to muniplating at times. remember how I told you all how et is. they can prvent any of us from displaing our best of thoughts thay test us as well they confuse us very rare they cause harm more like couris children with a toy. they dont care a lot about our privacy. when they want you they come in thru the roof the windows with bugerlur bars take you with them and then put you back. question what do you all think that the GOverment is Going thru around the world? their is no deals the alliens got the goverment around the world thinking that they have adeal. think on this all of you et is in control with out a dout. take care all. cool
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Post by DrDil on Jul 8th, 2007, 09:17am

on Jul 8th, 2007, 09:15am, jugement wrote:
okay drdil.yet my main concern is for Isaac,and thought we should be more patience, me my self is still learning to do just that.

I’m sorry, I misunderstood, I thought you were implying that this was breaking news. Where as in reality it’s just an article from a reader.
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Post by jugement on Jul 8th, 2007, 09:34am

no problem; you kinda get what I mean.I am like a self learnt scientist .you see et is not going to give us no more than we have now, they make the decions when. have any of you guys studied NIkola tesla he is one of my all time favorites when it comes to science. did not the goverment hurt him. he was the main one on the philidephia project ,he told them that that project was dangerous.he wanted off so what did they do killed him, pit einstien in his place, and einstien does what, make a boombthat could destoy millions. now et comes in and balance things out and give 10 more contries the same bomb, now no one will blow no one up ,now its a game to scare us civilians out of our wits and much much more.see you all later. before I go this is what et had in mind for you and me to probly conclude this forum see where its headed I dont mean on all topics. winkKENNY ROGERS ;would say you got to know when to fold em. grin Overstand
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 8th, 2007, 09:40am

Concerning the Alien autopsy film I submit the following. report. I list the source at the bottom of this post.

The film was examined by Kodak, and a person of considerable standing in the photo industry (Bob Shell) has put his prestige on the line by authenticating this footage. The Time Magazine and Skeptical Inquirer hit pieces were all generated by the TDC miscalculations. This footage could only have been shot in 1947 or 48. All the experts lambasting Santilli based their doubts on modern
FX techniques. They all had their individual slants, but no one volunteered to duplicate this effect.

What I find most interesting about this case is how the UFO community has gone about, hand in hand, with their arch enemies the sci-cops to debunk the only real evidence we¹ve ever had to prove our government¹s systematic involvement with the whole UFO cover up. The Feds didn¹t have to do a thing to cover their asses- we did it all for them, free of charge.

"Once my tent had been set up I started filming immediately, first the vehicle, then the site and debris. At around 06.00 it was deemed safe to move in, again the freaks were still crying and when approached screamed even louder. They were protective of their little boxes but we managed to get one lose with a firm strike at the head of a freak with the butt of a rifle." The Cameraman.



http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseSubarticle.asp?ID=848
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Post by LangLee on Jul 8th, 2007, 09:46am

Secret Data on Visitations Released Today ?

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0806/visitors.html
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Post by Student on Jul 8th, 2007, 09:57am

I apologize if this has already been posted. I don't have time to search the past few posts before I leave. There is an article on Jeff Rense that talks about the Isaac material - the first one I've seen:

http://www.rense.com/general77/powerd.htm


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Post by Student on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:02am

LangLee, your link leads to the Serpo site - some pretty amaing stuff there. What's going on?
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Post by Student on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:11am

I might add that the introductions to the info look pretty suspicious - sounds like a used car salesman making a pitch...

Haven't read the rest yet, however.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:11am

LangLee:

Thanks for the update. But I'm kind of confused on the date of the release. I went to the website in the reference and could only find stories released in June.

Where is the material that was released on July 7, 07?
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Post by Latitude on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:26am

on Jul 8th, 2007, 08:45am, DrDil wrote:
He’s also been banned from replicating the experiments in his apartment block due to disrupting the neighbours (appliances?).

Also, did you know that government can SEIZE any new invention that, “Contravenes National Security?” I wonder if free energy falls under this category? There’s a couple of cases where free energy has been released, only for the inventor to be found dead or disappear completely before full disclosure was followed through.


The guy is a kook. He has no theory. No empirical data. He may have stumbled onto something but he's no scientist. He has his own forum but it's laughable. He sounds drunk most of the time. BTW, Einstein never had a Unified theory.
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Post by LangLee on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:30am

The article by Steve Hammonds, other than that there's the Serpo.org link. Lots of strange thing's there too, now Serpo isn't totally true, here's another......http://www.ufodigest.com/projectserponews.html
It did say 07/08/07, have to "weed" throught it all.
Something is brewing....... so much from so many places.
Personally, if I awoke in the morning and Headline News says White House Discloses Alien Contact.......... I'd be like, yeah, what took you so long ? Now those who live and die by what the Government says will now believe what I've always known.
Of course I'd like to fly a ship, meet one of the guys, then I'd simply go back to work, and take care of my daughter........simply carry on.
I wonder what everyone else would do ?
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Post by LangLee on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:34am

on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:26am, Latitude wrote:
The guy is a kook. He has no theory. No empirical data. He may have stumbled onto something but he's no scientist. He has his own forum but it's laughable. He sounds drunk most of the time. BTW, Einstein never had a Unified theory.


That quite brutal, because he stumbled upon something so cool ?
I have the Beyond Invention show he was on, yeah he's different, you would be too if you had your head around all the equipment like he has.
Maybe he knows so much but he just can't put it into words.
I'd hate to read what you'd have to say about an Autistic Savant that came up with something remarkable.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:40am

What would I do if there was full disclosure by the White House, you ask?

First of all I have a lot of things to do in my life every day. Reading the newspaper, checking on the mail and the bills.

Then I have to think about what I'm going to have for breakfast and lunch. Cinnimon toast sounds good.

Later I have to do some laundry.

Just stuff like that.

Oh, you ask about space aliens. That's not really news to me....I've known all about it since I was a teenager.

Everyone have a great day!
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Post by Latitude on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:44am

on Jul 8th, 2007, 09:57am, Student wrote:
I apologize if this has already been posted. I don't have time to search the past few posts before I leave. There is an article on Jeff Rense that talks about the Isaac material - the first one I've seen:

http://www.rense.com/general77/powerd.htm



Rense also had this one http://www.rense.com/general77/ufoo.htm where two saladfinger disinfo videos were used to proclaim the case a hoax. But what do you expect from a yellow journalism website like rense.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:50am

on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:34am, LangLee wrote:
That quite brutal, because he stumbled upon something so cool ?
I have the Beyond Invention show he was on, yeah he's different, you would be too if you had your head around all the equipment like he has.
Maybe he knows so much but he just can't put it into words.
I'd hate to read what you'd have to say about an Autistic Savant that came up with something remarkable.


Yeah, the guy pissed me off because he may have found something very valuable to mankind and squandered it. He's a buffoon.
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Post by LangLee on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:01am

The 1st Rense article is dated 6/18/07, the second one is 7/08/07, did someone change the station ? I hear a change of tune.
Yes Latitude, he lost it, that is disappointing.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:16am

on Jul 8th, 2007, 07:10am, DrDil wrote:
John Hutchison (The Hutchinson Effect)
Einstein's Unified Field Theory?


on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:26am, Latitude wrote:
The guy is a kook. He has no theory. No empirical data. He may have stumbled onto something but he's no scientist. He has his own forum but it's laughable. He sounds drunk most of the time. BTW, Einstein never had a Unified theory.


No, that’s why I placed a question mark at the end of the statement, although Einstein famously spent the last two decades of his life searching for a Unified Field Theory.

Indeed, Einstein is the best known physicist to attempt to develop a classical unified field theory.

I was attempting to draw parallels between the work of Hutchinson and Einstein to incorporate gravity into this theory, similar to what Tesla claimed to have done, i.e. define the relation between gravitation and electromagnetic force which ultimately would lead to a unified field theory.

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Post by MarkM on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:18am

This may well be my last post on this aspect of the enigma. My concern is that some important keys to understanding this are being pushed to the wayside because they involve concepts not routed in "hard science". For my views on this, please recall my analogous reference to "magic" in yesterdays post. The great irony is that, more often than not, these previously ignored tidbits are called to mind when, later down the thread, someone has an "Ah, ha!" moment. Crop circle similarities come to mind. Blown off by many early on, the possibility is suddenly becoming better accepted. Along with the NUFORC posting, there are these:

http://www.earthfiles.com/

Think of this entire CARET exercise as a test. Using highway jargon:

1. A roadblock is put up to block any further access beyond a certain point.

2. Caution cones, alert us to possible danger, they indicate that we should slow down and pay close attention to what's around us. They alert us to changes.

3. Bridges are built by crews of trained engineers. They allow us to cross safely from point A to point B.

How are you approaching the subject of ET contact? Which one of the above would be symbolic of your role in a possible disclosure?

These days will be looked upon by future generations as days of choosing.

We can all afford to be brave when something that's approaching us has yet to crest the mountain. We are not yet face to face. A word of caution when studying the experiences of contactees and abductees - their experiences are uniquely individual. There isn't one that's representative of all. How we react to an encounter is very much influenced by our own history and personality. There are similar elements to the experiences - most of which are not entirely understood - but the effect of the encounter differs greatly from person to person. This is obvious in some of the most high profile accounts of our times. Why do I bring this up? Because we don't understand exactly what the human ET connection is. We have only theories and subjective interpretations from contactees and abductees. I include myself in both of these categories.

In these days of choosing, take care not to be overly influenced by what you read. Weigh everything, be logical, and be compassionate. The obvious end to this saga is one thing - contact. Are you a roadblock, a caution cone, or a bridge?
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Post by DrDil on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:23am

on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:18am, MarkM wrote:
Think of this entire CARET exercise as a test. Using highway jargon:

1. A roadblock is put up to block any further access beyond a certain point.

2. Caution cones, alert us to possible danger, they indicate that we should slow down and pay close attention to what's around us. They alert us to changes.

3. Bridges are built by crews of trained engineers. They allow us to cross safely from point A to point B.

How are you approaching the subject of ET contact? Which one of the above would be symbolic of your role in a possible disclosure?

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Post by MarkM on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:35am

That's the safest place to be on this, no doubt smiley! A wise man wink
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:39am

MarkM and all:

Maybe we are at a road block...today. but you never know what will happen tomorrow with this story. Consider the following.


This is at least one of the most detailed and documented ufo stories of the 21st Century.

If it is a 'hoax' it is a most extraordinary one, which would need the participation of artists, engineers, language experts and computer CGI/3D rendering specialists.

Especially the drawings of the 'language' would entail countless, days, weeks or even months of work, at great cost and time.

And those specialists would have to be amongst the tiny minority of the worlds 'best'.

No one has been able to reproduce documents, photos etc., that even come close to what Isaac has provided.

Some have suggested the A1 is a prop of some kind. As a professional model builder, I could make a model somewhat like the A1 BUT it would be a mind altering amount of work. And the cost would be, substantial, to put it mildly.

A hoax....I don't think so.



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Post by MarkM on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:59am

Urantia606 - I concur on all of your points. Well stated.

What I meant by using the term "roadblock", and the other highway terminology, was that we should each identify which of these conditions we as individuals represent in the way this drone sage unfolds.

Roadblocks would include the skeptics, those whose minds are made up no matter what the evidence might indicate. They aren't traveling beyond where they are and they see it as their job to prevent you from passing as well.

The caution cones still allow passage down the road, albeit more slowly and carefully. They point out all of the possibilities but leave it up to you to go on or not. How good are your tires smiley?

Bridges have been under construction for some time. Some aren't quite ready to hold traffic yet - they need a bit more shoring up. Once complete, however, they'll allow everyone on the road to reach the other side of the divide. To go where they may not have been able to go before.

EDITED TO ADD: I should probably include traffic cops in this analogy. They're the ones whose job it is to steer you in a particular direction. You can try to dart around them, but it's not easy smiley! This would include the government and anyone with an agenda to promote.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 8th, 2007, 12:04pm

MarkM:

Your ideas are well taken. We'll just have to wait and see what happens next.

Who was expecting what Isaac posted? I didn't expect it. It just happened.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 8th, 2007, 12:29pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 12:04pm, urantia606 wrote:
MarkM:

Your ideas are well taken. We'll just have to wait and see what happens next.

Who was expecting what Isaac posted? I didn't expect it. It just happened.

If the recent timeline of events are taken as an indicator, there should be some more information coming soon. It’s been 11 days or so since the Isaac documents now.

May 10th 2007: Chad - Bakersfield, California
May 12th, 2007: Mufon <submitter> 7013 Wife – Lake Tahoe, Nevada
May 20th, 2007: Rajinder Satyanarayana (Flikr: Rajman1977) – Capitola, California
June 6th, 2007: Jenna L/Stephen – Big Basin, California
June 16th, 2007: Ty – Big Basin, California
June 26th: Release of Isaac documents.

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Post by Latitude on Jul 8th, 2007, 12:39pm

MarkM and Urantia,

I have purposely avoided this topic because as you say Mark, it's not scientific. I do not like to consider the more esoteric aspects of things like this because I believe it usually only clouds the issue.

Why must this be a test? Why can't this be like JW said long ago that this is only a series of happenstances? I'm usually not one to pull out Occam's Razor but I believe in this case it applies more than ever. Don't try to read more into this than is evident. Let's keep our feet on the ground lest we lose all credibility.

We've all thought all along that we were being visited. Now along comes what looks to be concrete proof so why should we be surprised? Sooner or later is was bound to happen, the way I see it.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 8th, 2007, 12:40pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 12:29pm, DrDil wrote:
If the recent timeline of events are taken as an indicator, there should be some more information coming soon. It’s been 11 days or so since the Isaac documents now.

May 10th 2007: Chad - Bakersfield, California
May 12th, 2007: Mufon <submitter> 7013 Wife – Lake Tahoe, Nevada
May 20th, 2007: Rajinder Satyanarayana (Flikr: Rajman1977) – Capitola, California
June 6th, 2007: Jenna L/Stephen – Big Basin, California
June 16th, 2007: Ty – Big Basin, California
June 26th: Release of Isaac documents.


That would suggest a hoax. Is that what you are saying?
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Post by MarkM on Jul 8th, 2007, 12:49pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 12:39pm, Latitude wrote:
MarkM and Urantia,

I have purposely avoided this topic because as you say Mark, it's not scientific. I do not like to consider the more esoteric aspects of things like this because I believe it usually only clouds the issue.

Why must this be a test? Why can't this be like JW said long ago that this is only a series of happenstances? I'm usually not one to pull out Occam's Razor but I believe in this case it applies more than ever. Don't try to read more into this than is evident. Let's keep our feet on the ground lest we lose all credibility.

We've all thought all along that we were being visited. Now along comes what looks to be concrete proof so why should we be surprised? Sooner or later is was bound to happen, the way I see it.


With all due respect Latitude - and I do mean that sincerely - A test would apply if one is attempting to judge a reaction. If this is the beginning of disclosure, by an individual or an agency, then it would seem very important to gauge the response before proceeding. Widespread panic would be a possible response, debunking, intense study, apathy, these are all potential reactions to this material. As a scientist or government agent (or even just a concerned citizen), measuring this would play a big part in determining my next step. I would hope that Isaac would be very interested in testing the waters. Perhaps that's why we don't yet have all of his information.

As far as reading things into this, my goodness - isn't that what we've all been doing?
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Post by DrDil on Jul 8th, 2007, 12:51pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 12:40pm, Latitude wrote:
That would suggest a hoax. Is that what you are saying?

I meant exactly what I said, “If the recent timeline of events are taken as an indicator.”
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Post by MarkM on Jul 8th, 2007, 1:31pm

"If we dismiss theories because they seem weird, we risk missing true breakthroughs."

- Max Tegmark, Physicist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA.

Something to think about while contemplating how one gets from "there" to "here" and back again. As Alice discovered, perhaps there are a few rabbit holes in our reality landscape.

When I spoke of "magic", this was the type of thing I was referring to:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v448/n7149/full/448023a.html

Hard to see the entire box - much less understand it - while living inside of it smiley.

I know that I'm boring people, so I'll stay quiet for a bit. wink
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Post by PawnSacrifice on Jul 8th, 2007, 1:37pm

Hi, still trying to follow this case and have a quick question that maybe someone here could answer. Sorry to back track but does anyone know how much one of those pipe pig things would cost? I've been searching but can't find any price listings. Looks pretty expensive though. Any ideas?

I'm wondering if this is a hoax what the bill has come to so far and what they'll be getting from it.
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Post by AgentM on Jul 8th, 2007, 1:46pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 1:37pm, PawnSacrifice wrote:
Hi, still trying to follow this case and have a quick question that maybe someone here could answer. Sorry to back track but does anyone know how much one of those pipe pig things would cost? I've been searching but can't find any price listings. Looks pretty expensive though. Any ideas?

I'm wondering if this is a hoax what the bill has come to so far and what they'll be getting from it.


Well to update you pawnsacrifice, this thread seems to have generally dismissed the pig theory.

I know of cutting machinery that can run upwards of $100K such as waterjets and woodworking machinery that can be close to that.

I think highly specialized machinery such as a pipe pig would be at least in this range.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 8th, 2007, 1:50pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:18am, MarkM wrote:
Think of this entire CARET exercise as a test. Using highway jargon:

1. A roadblock is put up to block any further access beyond a certain point.

2. Caution cones, alert us to possible danger, they indicate that we should slow down and pay close attention to what's around us. They alert us to changes.

3. Bridges are built by crews of trained engineers. They allow us to cross safely from point A to point B.

How are you approaching the subject of ET contact? Which one of the above would be symbolic of your role in a possible disclosure?

These days will be looked upon by future generations as days of choosing.


Umm... Mark, there is a herd of sheep in the middle of the road blocking traffic.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 8th, 2007, 1:53pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 1:31pm, MarkM wrote:
"If we dismiss theories because they seem weird, we risk missing true breakthroughs."
Hard to see the entire box - much less understand it - while living inside of it smiley.

I know that I'm boring people, so I'll stay quiet for a bit. wink


Never Mark.... you are very eloquent and always insightful with your comments. Thank you for all that you bring to the discussion!! Much appreciate you.
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Post by PawnSacrifice on Jul 8th, 2007, 1:56pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 1:46pm, AgentM wrote:


I know of cutting machinery that can run upwards of $100K such as waterjets and woodworking machinery that can be close to that.


Well I don't know about anyone else but I'd have trouble finding someone who could make such an investment into a hoax. However, I'm still leaning towards a hoax on this one...but only just.

Thanks AgentM
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 8th, 2007, 2:04pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 1:37pm, PawnSacrifice wrote:
Hi, still trying to follow this case and have a quick question that maybe someone here could answer. Sorry to back track but does anyone know how much one of those pipe pig things would cost? I've been searching but can't find any price listings. Looks pretty expensive though. Any ideas?

I'm wondering if this is a hoax what the bill has come to so far and what they'll be getting from it.

I'm sure no pipeline pig was ever bought to create the antigravity device we're speaking about. It can be CGI, it can be a model, but it can't be a modified pipeline pig because it would be much easier to create it (the antigravity device) from scratch. The guy who discovered the pipeline pig theory said he works in the graphic design industry but I assume he's not very qualified in his field if he doesn't realize what he says is stupid.
Moreover, this guy is accusing Saladfinger to be the hoaxer and this proves his theories to be doubtful. If he had studied a little bit more the drone/Isaac stories and had read the forums, he would know Saladfinger can't be the hoaxer.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 8th, 2007, 2:17pm

I'm taking a break to go see "Transformers". No, not for research purposes, because my wife likes movies where things blow up (go figure)! My choices were this or the new "Die Hard". Sigh.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 8th, 2007, 2:24pm

Saladfingers has already clearly stated that he is not a hoaxer and was very surprised when people started to say his 'creations' were the real thing.
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 8th, 2007, 2:25pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 2:17pm, MarkM wrote:
I'm taking a break to go see "Transformers". No, not for research purposes, because my wife likes movies where things blow up (go figure)! My choices were this or the new "Die Hard". Sigh.

I understand you, I don't like this kind of movies. I prefer the French ones where nothing happens, it's relaxing. The thing is that today French moviemakers would like to make action movies like the american ones but they can't because they can't find enough money.
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Post by AgentM on Jul 8th, 2007, 2:32pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 2:17pm, MarkM wrote:
I'm taking a break to go see "Transformers". No, not for research purposes, because my wife likes movies where things blow up (go figure)! My choices were this or the new "Die Hard". Sigh.


Great! We all will expect a full report upon your return.
grin
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Post by creolelady on Jul 8th, 2007, 3:20pm

Mark, my husband and son went to see Transformers yesterday afternoon. They loved it, but it was their kind of movie with planes and cars etc.
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Post by RoH on Jul 8th, 2007, 3:36pm

David Sereda with Boyd Bushman
- Anti-Gravity / UFO Disclosure -

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3874568473252816241

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Post by jugement on Jul 8th, 2007, 3:37pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:18am, MarkM wrote:
This may well be my last post on this aspect of the enigma. My concern is that some important keys to understanding this are being pushed to the wayside because they involve concepts not routed in "hard science". For my views on this, please recall my analogous reference to "magic" in yesterdays post. The great irony is that, more often than not, these previously ignored tidbits are called to mind when, later down the thread, someone has an "Ah, ha!" moment. Crop circle similarities come to mind. Blown off by many early on, the possibility is suddenly becoming better accepted. Along with the NUFORC posting, there are these:

http://www.earthfiles.com/

Think of this entire CARET exercise as a test. Using highway jargon:

1. A roadblock is put up to block any further access beyond a certain point.

2. Caution cones, alert us to possible danger, they indicate that we should slow down and pay close attention to what's around us. They alert us to changes.

3. Bridges are built by crews of trained engineers. They allow us to cross safely from point A to point B.

How are you approaching the subject of ET contact? Which one of the above would be symbolic of your role in a possible disclosure?

These days will be looked upon by future generations as days of choosing.

We can all afford to be brave when something that's approaching us has yet to crest the mountain. We are not yet face to face. A word of caution when studying the experiences of contactees and abductees - their experiences are uniquely individual. There isn't one that's representative of all. How we react to an encounter is very much influenced by our own history and personality. There are similar elements to the experiences - most of which are not entirely understood - but the effect of the encounter differs greatly from person to person. This is obvious in some of the most high profile accounts of our times. Why do I bring this up? Because we don't understand exactly what the human ET connection is. We have only theories and subjective interpretations from contactees and abductees. I include myself in both of these categories.

In these days of choosing, take care not to be overly influenced by what you read. Weigh everything, be logical, and be compassionate. The obvious end to this saga is one thing - contact. Are you a roadblock, a caution cone, or a bridge?
VERY WELL PUT; thank you ,drdil saw it , I all ways knew you would write better than I could explain it . did I lie about the dream ? no; I just met markm,drdil. MIND YOUR MIND FOR THE JEWELS OF YOUR SOUL. IT IS NICE TO BE IMPORTANT< BUT IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO BE NICE. coolYOU KNOW MY HEART BEAT DIFERANT FOR TWO DAYS BEFORE ET CONTACTED ME<THEY WILL BE BACK< I HAD LEFT THIS SITE A LONG WHILE BACK YET THEY WOULD NOT LET ME LEAVE BECAUSE SOME OF US ARE SLOW COMING TO TERMS. OUR EGO GETS IN THE WAY.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 8th, 2007, 3:46pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 3:37pm, jugement wrote:
drdil saw it , I all ways knew you would write better than I could explain it . did I lie about the dream ? no; I just met markm,drdil.

I’m sorry jugement, it’s probably my fault (usually is!!wink) but I have a little trouble grasping what you are saying.....
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Post by Latitude on Jul 8th, 2007, 4:26pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 3:20pm, creolelady wrote:
Mark, my husband and son went to see Transformers yesterday afternoon. They loved it, but it was their kind of movie with planes and cars etc.


My boys went to see it Friday. I asked my oldest if it had any drones in it. He said no, nothing even close. I was not surprised.
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Post by LangLee on Jul 8th, 2007, 4:35pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 3:36pm, RoH wrote:
David Sereda with Boyd Bushman
- Anti-Gravity / UFO Disclosure -

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3874568473252816241


My goodness, I'm only 3/4 thru part 1 and this is great !!!!!
I said eariler that Magnetism is the key to Anti-Gravity.

figneutron I think you should have a look/listen, big time guy talking big time stuff.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 8th, 2007, 4:49pm

Not meaning to duplicate your previous posts but Castles4me posted this more elaborate post on the drones and Isaac back in #Isaac so I went and dug it out since I knew it had the whole shootin match.

on Jul 3rd, 2007, 11:18am, castles4me wrote:
June 29, 2007 - Anonymous
http://www.ufocasebook.com/anonymousstrangecraft.html

June 26, 2007 – Isaac gives whistle blowing report
http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

June 25, 2007 -- Near Maxwell AFB, Montgomery Alabama – by “Ted Conners” (alias) said he saw craft resembling Chad photo right before dusk while he was on duty in his security work that involves 32 infrared cameras and high frequency infrared technology 6 miles from Maxwell AFB and its Gunter AFB Annex in Montgomery, Alabama. PODCAST
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode19mp3.html

June 5, 2007 – Big Basin Redwoods State Park – “Stephen” sent in photos of drone identical to the Ty photos.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

June 5, 2007 – -- near Saratoga California in Big Basin Redwoods State Park -- by Ty B. whose cycling group saw the bizarre aerial object three times on June 5, 2007. One of his cyclist buddies worked for newspaper in bay area…. And said that someone had turned in photos of the drone a year or so earlier with reports from sightings in the Saratoga area and they were told in no uncertain terms to ignore the story entirely.
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment

May 15, 2007 -- Capitola, California, east of Santa Cruz on Monterey Bay – by Rajman1977 sent in photos.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html

May 6, 2007 – Bakersfield California – by Chad -- submitted photos of craft with the most detail of the “alien” writing underneath and had heard crackling noises from what appeared to be ‘electrostatic field discharges.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftphotos.html

May 5, 2007 – Lake Tahoe area – Anonymous “MUFON submitter” submitted photo of a more simpler drone near rooftop/trees. Heard crackling noises.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftlaketahoe.html

June 10, 2006 Yosemite National Park -- Mother with two sons saw drone at night and boys shown flashlights on it. (she submitted sketch to Earthfiles on May 23, 2007)
http://www.earthfiles.com

May 2006 – Northridge California , just north of Topanga State Park-- Dr. of Divinity, 74 yr old “Robert Mariotti” said he saw aerial craft drone with long tail “horseshoe crab looking” (reported it to Earthfiles in May 07) saw craft at night and it was lit up bright fluorescent green – another drive in car next to him saw it at same time. PODCAST
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode18mp3.html

May, 2006 – Birmingham Alabama near construction site -- “John Smith” saw craft and took photos above telephone wires (strange unmarked trailers and trucks were nearby)PODCAST
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1253&category=Environment

May 25, 2005 – Sequoia National Park – Shirley
She wanted the public to know that the Chad photos match a dragonfly-like aerial. PODCAST
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/mp3files/highbandwidth/episode17high.mp3
http://www.ufocasebook.com/lettersstrangecraft.html

1999 – Italy Photo
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&&num=1182908022&&start=751

1997 - Georgia (the country)
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&&num=1182908022&&start=751

October 1995 – Sitgreaves National Forest, Arizona -- “Ned White” electronics and automation engineer. Drone he saw while camping looked like the Birmingham Alabama drone, more simple than later photos. He felt electricity, heard crackling noises and his GPS device didn’t work at that moment. (GPS uses microwave transmissions from satellites to work) Witness said it seemed like it was using electrostatic levitation.
PODCAST
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html

1987 - Barksdale AFB, Louisiana – man saw drone that looked exactly like the Alabama drone mounted on a cart in a hangar near where an air show was going on until Military personnel shooed people away from that hangar.PODCAST
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html


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Post by castles4me on Jul 8th, 2007, 5:15pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 4:49pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Not meaning to duplicate your previous posts but Castles4me posted this more elaborate post on the drones and Isaac back in #Isaac so I went and dug it out since I knew it had the whole shootin match.


ATO.... the interesting thing about this is that the May 2006 Birmingham Alabama drone seems to be the one that would be US engineered. I said in a previous post that it looks more like a kitchen gadget than an alien drone lol It's true lol -- plus, the guy from the 80s that saw one by accident in a hangar at an air show -- until Military shooed him away said it looked like the Birmingham Alabama drone photo (Said this on the Earthfiles.com report that is) I guess the two could be US made replicas.

Birmingham guy "Smith" also said he saw government vehicles around. On several of these threads it has been eluded by others that we would be back-engineering the drones for military surveillance.... I guess that could possibly include national security...maybe terrorist surveillance. Smith said there were unmarked vehicles around there with trailers on the back (this could have been what US brought the drone to that location for the surveillance -- it was in a neighborhood -- and then when the drone got over the power lines it accidentally uncloaked itself.) If that was true, I bet those agents were poopin themselves lol

BUT... anyway... this drone looks either US made and a really bad imitation of the real alien deal -- or this photo is a kitchen gadget layed in the photo to look like a drone. The wires look off. looks like it is in between the wires... that's kinda weird. Either that's a hoaxed photo mistake or maybe the drone got caught there in the wires which is why it decloaked.

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photo from Earthfiles report from Mr. Smith -- the unmarked trailer near the power lines.

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drone photo from Mr. Smith May 2006 - Alabama

I still think it looks like a kitchen gadget.....

the GINSU DRONE -- it slices, it dices!! You can even cut a tomato with it!! -- But wait... there's more... order now and we will throw in a pair of steak knives for FREE if you call now!!

Although I am in NO way implying anything about the Isaac story is a hoax lol

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by jugement on Jul 8th, 2007, 5:23pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 3:46pm, DrDil wrote:
I’m sorry jugement, it’s probably my fault (usually is!!wink) but I have a little trouble grasping what you are saying.....
I have trouble puting it in words, yet simply put we are not going to get full closure until et themselves give it to us. no one ealse . all we are doing is guessing.overstand now.
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Post by CloudBreak on Jul 8th, 2007, 5:53pm

on Jul 7th, 2007, 10:34pm, Fencesitter wrote:
I believe one prominent theory on anti-gravity (or gravity control I guess you could call it) is related to altering or 'flattening' the space surrounding an object (to use that old trampoline analogy), but not exactly shielding it... The difference between shielding and altering becomes important when you consider not just flattening, but tilting it in a different direction...



Nice post. I like the way you describe the effect of flattening space. Very visual. The two methods, shielding and flattening, are very similar in the end effect. One could imagine that some method could exist which could flatten the local space to compensate for the curvature created by other objects. Similar in a way to noise cancelling technology. Shielding though would result in the same flattening of local space for the object.

Actually the analogy with noise reduction works very well, so I shall expand upon this. If you want to remove noise there are two techniques, you can either block out noise using insulation (shielding, hence no noise due to abscence of sound waves) or create extra sound waves that act in perfect anti-phase to the noise you are trying to remove, the sound waves cancel out resulting in noise removal (flattening). Both techniques result in a flattening of the sound waves, but there are two different approaches to achieving the final aim.
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Post by CloudBreak on Jul 8th, 2007, 6:16pm

And yeah I have done my time in academia! I think that most scientists would love to push the boundaries of what is out there. Unfortunately though we have to compete for funding. To do this we have to publish papers in decent journals, and to do this we need to look at relatively safe subject areas where we can be sure of getting a paper within a reasonable amount of time. If a scientist decided to spend their time looking at something like antigravity, because it is so far out there, there is a very good chance that they could spend several years on it and still end up with nothing. That scientist will then most likely find themselves out of a job! Only those that have already built reputations for themselves can afford to take such large risks. Having said that, I believe that most scientists will have "hobby projects" that they will do in the background. After all most of us chose science because we are fascinated with the unknown.

Also, cheers for the update on Einstein. I think it's a terrible shame that he didn't manage to unify gravity with electromagnetism. Perhaps if it wasn't for quantum theory distracting him, he may have done it!
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Post by MarkM on Jul 8th, 2007, 6:16pm

Megatron: "Humans deserve to die!"

Optimus Prime: "They deserve to decide for themselves."

As with most things that Spielberg has a hand in, there is definitely a story within a story here. Not so subtle comparisons to Roswell. A compassionate connection between the human characters and the good aliens (Autobots). Very bold out take like statement at the end by two of the characters in reference to government lying to the people (stay for the credits).

The alien language looks like a mix between Arabic and Japanese, nothing like our symbols. The "Allspark" is not even in the same galaxy as the drones. But we knew that.

Good movie!!! Loud and quite a ride but the story is well written and the actors excellent. Good comic moments. The last few minutes are definitely tear in the eye touching (again, a touch of Spielberg even though he didn't direct). No blood - gotta love that smiley.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 8th, 2007, 6:27pm

Hello CloudBreak:

Don't worry about all that writing and doing research on your bench in the garage.

Einstein? Oh please, he's so yesterday.

Just go to work at some company that will hand you some 'alien artifacts' with permission to take your time and please figure this out for us. Coffee and donuts are on the company.

Money? No problem my friend. The government has literally billions to spend on these projects and most assuredly has.

What if the company runs out of money? Again, no problem, the government has billions and billions more to spend on anti-gravity.

The Drone that we have seen in the skies of California cost a lot of money. How much you ask? Oh, I won't be the least surprised that one would cost as much as a Navy aircraft carrier , which is around three billion plus the cost of the airplanes.

If the governemnt can spend a trillion dollars in Iraq, a few little Drones are nothing.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 8th, 2007, 6:34pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 12:49pm, MarkM wrote:
With all due respect Latitude - and I do mean that sincerely - A test would apply if one is attempting to judge a reaction.


Mark,

I have to apologize. Please disregard my earlier post. I thought about it again and realized you could be very correct. I'm kicking myself for not looking at it from that angle. Isaac said that somebody probably made a mistake and that a physicist could wind up patrolling the streets of Bagdad, but if there is one thing he may have got wrong that may be it. Let's suppose the decloaking was not accidental but planned with a purpose. I guess it's possible. But do you really see the PTB pulling a stunt like that? How does that test for disclosure? If so it was a failure. Not very many people noticed.
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Post by CloudBreak on Jul 8th, 2007, 6:46pm

urantia..., you make life sound so simple.

I can see it now...

"Dear Northrop Grumman,

I have an interest in alien technology, as such I feel that I am ideally suited to work in one of your departments that handle such exotic items. I have enclosed my CV."

And what have you against Einstein? He may be a scientist of yesterday, but there is barely an area of physics where he has not significantly contributed. Few have matched his achievements, and it is still a mammoth task for anyone to get to a stage where they can fully understand those contributions. He is a genuine heavyweight of the physics field, not just a celebrity due to his wacky hair.
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Post by Krieger99 on Jul 8th, 2007, 7:12pm

There are 148 total pages from this. Quite the stir this guy is causing. I'm guessing this is an elaborate hoax all done by the same person, starting with the ceiling-fan "drones", and now this. I could be wrong, but this all seems like a hoax to me.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 8th, 2007, 7:16pm

CloudBreak:

I'm teasing you. You do have a sense of humor! We need a lot more of that.

Here is your reply:

Dear Mr. CloudBreak:

Thank you for your inquirey about working for us here at Northrup.

Your CV sounds like just the sort of engineer and all around deep thinker we need...immediately!.

Maybe you could help us out. It seems that these darn so-called Invisible Drones are causing us a big headache.

What's happening is that they seemed to be 'uncloaking' at just the time when John Doe is out with his nosey camera and takes a photo of our once SECRET project.

Please call us immediately so that we could confirm your start day. Salary is no object. Name your price!

The name Isaac is never mentioned around here, ever.

Sincerely,

Mr Desperate
Northrop Grumman

Ps: Einstein? Oh, he's no problem but you know how these young wippersappper freshly minted physics grads are.


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Post by MarkM on Jul 8th, 2007, 7:20pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 6:34pm, Latitude wrote:
I have to apologize.


Latitute, apology absolutely not necessary smiley! This is a group effort, the more perspectives we have, the less chance there is of overlooking something important.

It may well have started out as an accidental de-cloaking, as Isaac's statement seems to indicate. Some accidents end up being fortuitous. That's why I think it's within the realm of possibility that "someone" may be studying the reaction. Once the cat creeps out of the bag, hard to coax him bag in. Yes, the UFO community is but a small part of the general population - and a skewed on at that - on the other hand it's a relatively safe test group. It's easy to contain the results by declaring them all a bunch of weirdos, if you don't like the outcome.

If it's not an accidental exposure of the craft (perhaps Isaac is speculating) then it is also entirely possible that the ET's are watching the response.

I think it's important to look at all of the things that have been going on of late - that AOL Poll (and it's timing), for example - to see if there might be a pattern. This is truly the Information Age. It's amazing to see what just this group alone has managed to discover in a few short weeks! With cellphones in most pockets, there are nearly as many cameras as there are people. The comment was made on that Nightline program, "Where are all the pictures?" I couldn't believe what I was hearing, there are hundreds of them - all you have to do is look!
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Post by GForce on Jul 8th, 2007, 7:21pm

Just curious! Has anyone tried to blow-up a picture of the tag on the unmarked trailer? To see if it was State, Government etc. It appears to have one near the hitch. Just an idea! Dan
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Post by Latitude on Jul 8th, 2007, 8:17pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 7:21pm, GForce wrote:
Just curious! Has anyone tried to blow-up a picture of the tag on the unmarked trailer? To see if it was State, Government etc. It appears to have one near the hitch. Just an idea! Dan


I thought it came out the trailer was from the phone company installing fibre optic lines.
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Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 8th, 2007, 8:40pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 8:17pm, Latitude wrote:
I thought it came out the trailer was from the phone company installing fibre optic lines.


Yeah, we might have another Ramey-esque "Victims of the Wreck" memo situation going here (alluding to the memo that Roger Ramey is holding in one of the infamous Roswell photos). You never know where these things can lead!

I have to give everyone here credit... you're covering all the bases with the brainstorming that I'm reading. MarkM is right, don't underestimate the potential significance of your perspective, no matter how unconventional it may sound. I can't keep up with it all in my present work schedule, but I'm trying to stay semi-current.

I'm still not sold on this being a hoax, but at the very least, I'm seeing what smells of misinformation being infused into the equation. It takes a lot of diligence and patience to sort it out. I'm hoping to hear and read some more eyewitness testimonies to the dragonfly drone phenomena. I'd like to see some witnesses step up and give their full, verifiable identity. That would help remove some of my doubts. Shirley was a very convincing witness, but we need a larger sample to move this forward.

Linda Howe should be back at it full time this coming week. I think she has been a focal point of reports and witnesses seem to feel comfortable reporting to her. I think Linda will pursue this with vigor as long as she sees progress being made.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 8th, 2007, 8:41pm

In thinking more about measuring "public" response or testing the waters, three passages in particular stand out when rereading Isaac's cover letter:

PAGE 11:

"I suppose I'll wait and see how this all plays out, and then play it by ear."

"Besides, part of me has always suspected that the government relies on the occasional leak like this, and actually wants them to happen, because it contributes to the steady, slow-paced path towards revealing the truth of the matter." (emphasis mine)

PAGE 13:

"I'd really like to let this information "settle" for a while and see how it goes."
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Post by AgentM on Jul 8th, 2007, 8:48pm

This is sort of a continuation of MarkM's last post #698.

We are discussing the reason that the drones have been spotted.

Malfunction vs. intentional.

We also have to consider all other sightings as part of the big picture. I realize the drones may be a secret, hence cloaking, but so are all elusive ufo.

ET's vehicles are often seen and photographed on a regular basis.

If they are similar technologies maybe it is a natural force of Earth that is responsible for momentary visability. It is possible that ET does not know when they have been rendered visable.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 8th, 2007, 8:55pm

Good point, AgentM. Disturbances in the magnetic field caused by solar storms comes to mind. These can wreck havoc on communications systems, GPS, etc.
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Post by AgentM on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:01pm

Or anomalous fluctuations in the magnetic field.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:02pm

Isaac seemed really concerned about what was causing the uncloaking. I wonder why? It's very interesting.... there are many sightings of the discs, but very few of the drones until now. What is different now... and what does this mean. Does it mean that all of the sudden a bunch of the drones have showed up on earth? Or, is there some kind of technology, whether human or alien causing the device to be activated. I wonder if the government flipped the switch for a moment. And, remember that photo that Latitude (I think) posted of all of the discs flying over near where the drones were sighted.... And, remember Isaac had said "no telling what" would be in the skies when the cloaking device went off.

This is the photo and witness testimony on this link --
http://ufocasebook.com/pleasonton.html

REPOST-- Photo taken evening of 6/5/07 -- the same day and in the same general area as the Ty and Stephen drone sightings!! Whoa.

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Post by urantia606 on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:08pm

Sunday Jul 8 , 07....7 PM West Coast USA

I just heard that Linda Howe will be providing Ty's 12 photos in high resolution as soon as possible. It appears that she and her assistant are running a bit behind in their respective obligations.

Hopefully Linda will post them on her website.

Also, that Isaac is still in contact with C2C. There is more but I cannot confirm it right now.

Urantia
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Post by MarkM on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:11pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:01pm, AgentM wrote:
Or anomalous fluctuations in the magnetic field.


Absolutely smiley
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Post by Easternbluestar on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:22pm

This thread is really intersting and cannot wait to see how much informtion will be coming out. But what does all this mean to humanity? I recall years ago, that my Uncle Walt told me that in the first decade of the 2000's, UFO's would start showing up in many places. Back then, I thought he was a bit eccentric and very imaginative, but now, perhaps, he could see far into the future and see what was going to unfold. Wish he was still alive so I could ask him more questions, but sadly, he passed away 8 years ago, and the secrets he knew are gone with him. I also remember him saying about hearing interesting coversations on HAM radio with astronauts, but he never elaborated what they were about.

WHo built these drones? And why? And for what purpose?

Mmmm

EBS
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Post by MarkM on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:32pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:22pm, Easternbluestar wrote:
This thread is really intersting and cannot wait to see how much informtion will be coming out. But what does all this mean to humanity?


If this is NOT a hoax, then amongst all of the hundreds of questions we have about the craft, the symbols, CARET, and Isaac - this is the most important one.
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Post by Easternbluestar on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:40pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:32pm, MarkM wrote:
If this is NOT a hoax, then amongst all of the hundreds of questions we have about the craft, the symbols, CARET, and Isaac - this is the most important one.


Mark,

I agree with that too! Do you know if there are any reports of this craft in other areas of the USA or even other countries?

I have a friend who is a scientist and they do not have all the data back yet, still working on measurements, but feel there could be a change to the position of the earth's axis, but again, the data is very preliminary, and needs to be collaborated to ensure it is not just little wobble. Will keep everyone posted, but if the magnetic poles have changed any, perhaps it could affect cloaking.

Has anyone noticed alot of pinkish glow to the ionsphere lately? Sort of like the northern lights (Aurora Borileus)(sp?) kind of effect right near the dusk part of the day. I have noticed it where I live at about 45degrees latitude, people that I know in Texas have reported it, and also a few in the UK that I know have noticed it, and weather changes in these same areas are taking place. Coincidence?

Why the sudden cry of "Save the Planet", why now? Why not a few years ago? Why with such urgency is this being aired in the media now?

Could all this be connected, or is that just another coincidence?

I believe life is going to get interesting, albeit more challenging for all of us who live and reside on this planet.

EBS
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Post by AgentM on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:44pm

If we consider our own history, to me at least it seems to be excellerating. Why?

Because of our new found technologies.

Sound familiar? This I think is part of the answer regarding "humanity". We have probably already past the point of when it had its initial affect on humanity.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:44pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:40pm, Easternbluestar wrote:
Mark,

I agree with that too! Do you know if there are any reports of this craft in other areas of the USA or even other countries?
EBS


see back about a page in the thread.... altrueoriginal reposted a complete list of the drone sightings.
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Post by AgentM on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:02pm

When you think about it, how we may have come to aquire these artifacts and any related technology may not have been intentional. But, we in our infant understanding of this may still not be of much concern to ET.

So..even when we reach full disclosure it may only impact us in a philosophical nature as ET may remain elusive as ever.

I suppose it depends on how far they really are ahead of us as to whether they will interact in Earths societies.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:07pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:08pm, urantia606 wrote:
Sunday Jul 8 , 07....7 PM West Coast USA

I just heard that Linda Howe will be providing Ty's 12 photos in high resolution as soon as possible. It appears that she and her assistant are running a bit behind in their respective obligations.

Hopefully Linda will post them on her website.

Also, that Isaac is still in contact with C2C. There is more but I cannot confirm it right now.

Urantia


This is excellent news,Urantia. Thanks for letting us know.
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Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:20pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 09:40am, urantia606 wrote:
The film was examined by Kodak, and a person of considerable standing in the photo industry (Bob Shell) has put his prestige on the line by authenticating this footage. The Time Magazine and Skeptical Inquirer hit pieces were all generated by the TDC miscalculations. This footage could only have been shot in 1947 or 48. All the experts lambasting Santilli based their doubts on modern
FX techniques. They all had their individual slants, but no one volunteered to duplicate this effect.


http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseSubarticle.asp?ID=848


Actually, that's only partially true as I recall re: the authenticity.

Kodak did say that the (i believe it was 3 frames given to them) were from 1927, 1947, or 1967, but they could not authenticate Santilli's film, as the frames they were supplied with were leader. This is the first few feet of the film that's blank and used to thread a projector. They asked Santilli later for pieces of the film WITH the footage on it, to authenticate, and never heard back from Santilli. The frames authenticated as being from that time period by Kodak, could have been from any one of a number of reels that was still in existance, and there was no way to prove that they were from the film in question. They also could not prove that the film was processed/developed in 1947/1948 as well.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:35pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:02pm, AgentM wrote:
When you think about it, how we may have come to aquire these artifacts and any related technology may not have been intentional. But, we in our infant understanding of this may still not be of much concern to ET.

So..even when we reach full disclosure it may only impact us in a philosophical nature as ET may remain elusive as ever.

I suppose it depends on how far they really are ahead of us as to whether they will interact in Earths societies.


good point. So, they might just continue stealing from our planet its energy and resources (or whatever they are doing here) and keep as invisible as possible.

Only thing is, with disclosure, you know someone is going to find out how to view them (well gov. probably already does)
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:51pm

CentralScrutinizer:

I am not going to debate with you the authenticity of the alien autopsy film. I have tons of information that proves it is 100% authentic. I saw ALL of the film in a private showing in 1995, including some that has never been seen in public.

Why so many people have tried to discredit this film is beyond me

The camera that was used was a B-H Filmo 70 that was very common in military circles from WWII. It has three lenses that have to rotate for focus. That is why the film appears to be 'out of focus' in several shots. And remember this was what the cameraman thought was the least of quality of the cans of film he shot on location. His best reels he sent on to Washington.

Here is more testimony from Bob Shell:

SHELL: They would have to match the type of film base material, as well. After the '50s, Kodak used triacetate, basically the same stuff they use today. But in 1947 they were using an earlier form of acetate called acetatepropionate. This decomposes with age. It shrinks in physical dimensions, and after it's aged for a while it has a very characteristic, acidic odor. Based on the odor and the shrinkage characteristics, we've said that this film is the older form of acetate. Therefore it would be 1947 film.
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Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:01pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:51pm, urantia606 wrote:
CentralScrutinizer:

I am not going to debate with you the authenticity of the alien autopsy film. I have tons of information that proves it is 100% authentic.


If I had 100% proof, I'd be putting it out there for everyone to see. This is why there is so much debate, on both sides..... people say they have 'evidence' but never come forward with it.

That's not to say that I don't believe there are a lot of weird unexplained things out there, of an unknown origin, I've seen a great number of things in over 25 years of my own investigations.... but for pete's sake.... if someone has the proof of something, disclose it. There are ways to do so without facing what is so often the fear of being 'taken by the government, thrown in a room, and having them throw away the ROOM'
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Post by Cybereality on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:14pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:51pm, urantia606 wrote:
CentralScrutinizer:

I am not going to debate with you the authenticity of the alien autopsy film. I have tons of information that proves it is 100% authentic. I saw ALL of the film in a private showing in 1995, including some that has never been seen in public.

Why so many people have tried to discredit this film is beyond me


Didnt Ray Santilli come forward and admit it was all an elaborate hoax, in fact, probably the biggest UFO/EBE hoax of all time? He even made a movie about it...
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Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:23pm

on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:14pm, Cybereality wrote:
Didnt Ray Santilli come forward and admit it was all an elaborate hoax, in fact, probably the biggest UFO/EBE hoax of all time? He even made a movie about it...


As the story goes, I think...... Santilli admitted later that 95% of the film that he purchased had oxidized, so based on the 5% that remained (which to date, to my knowledge, no one else has ever seen), they supposedly 'reconstructed' the autopsy... not that any of it matters, those who believe that Santilli delivered the "smoking gun" will just say that he was pressured or paid off by the government to make the admission, etc.

I'm sure there's probably a whole lot more to it than that, but from my own limited memory, that's it in a nutshell.
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Post by Cybereality on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:34pm

He did supposedly release what he had left of the original, it was in the movie, and you can see it here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhVTrfnQhcI
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:01am

Hey Central....

LOL that was great! "...and throw the room away."... can I use that ? That's a new one on me. All in good spirit.

Anyway here is more of Bob Shell's comments. All of the infomration that supports the Autopsy film is on the Internet. Of course you have to weed through a ton of disinformation to get to it but it's all there.

Also, every single piece of equipment in the room has been proven to be available in 1947. Even the clock on the wall and the phone. The metal knives and the Bunsen burner on the table....all very 1947 stuff. Not a single item in the room is out of the time frame.

SHELL: The cameraman says that the two surgeons in the room are a Dr. Detlev Bronk and a Dr. Williams. Forensic pathologists who have watched the film have said that it looks to them like the man doing the work is not a pathologist, but a surgeon, based on the way he cuts and the way he holds the instruments and the way he manipulates. Apparently there's a difference in the way surgeons and pathologists handle their implements. Which supports the cameraman's claim that he was a surgeon. We do know that Dr. Detlev Bronk was a real person. At the time of the autopsy, he was chief of Air Medicine, the United States Army Air Force. Which would mean he would have been called in at any unusual air crash or event like that. From 1952 onwards, he was president of the Rockefeller Institute of Medicine, and they have his personal papers. When I went to the Rockefeller Institute several weeks ago to inquire about this, they said they had all of Dr. Bronk's personal papers, including his personal diaries, his date books, his correspondence, etc. When I said that I wanted to see this material for 1947, I was told that all of Dr. Bronk's personal diaries are missing and unaccounted for.

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Post by urantia606 on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:12am

This email explains, maybe, Todd Schwartz involvment in the Isaac affair.

Hello Chris-

Thank you for your kind invitation to the skype-caste.. I apologize for not making it but I am on a rare vacation with my family and?I was frantically packing our family rig trying to get out of Seattle and back to Oregon in time for a birthday party at time of the broadcasts.

I hope the skype-cast went well. I will be looking forward to reading about it.

With some limitations due to my ?all in one? mobile phone, I have been attempting to keep up with the forums at OpenMindsForum.com. I have been blown away by the interest in the isaaccaret.com registration.

Let me clear a few things up: 1. I am not Isaac; 2. I am not affiliated legally or otherwise with Isaac (if he had retained me I?d be fired by now for not registering the domains privately); 3. I am not affiliated with CARET; 4. I intentionally registered isaaccarret.com publicly because I had hoped for some feedback on what the best use of it would be?when my Law Firm started getting calls I made the sites private) and finally, 5. I am hoping to use the opportunity I have (if any) as the owner of isaaccaret.com to assist groups (such as yours, Whitley?s and LMH?s) to the spread this news into the major media. Yes, I would like a ?cut of the pie? for my efforts. So ultimately, you readers may consider me a cyber-squatter or opportunist. But I would suggest I have more than just making money in mind. I would like to give back to those on the frontline of this effort. I would like to think of my self in the Pantagonia class of capitalist/opportunists.

Professionally, I am and attorney practicing as described in on my website. I would, and my clients would probably, prefer I keep my personal interests separate from my professional pursuits. This I intend to do as much as possible. However, I am in no way am ashamed of my interests and would suggest there is more proof behind many of my beliefs than some more accepted ?truths? in our society. If you will excuse the immodesty, it is this drive for the truth that makes me a good attorney.

Regarding all the discussion of my timing the registration: I truly was one of the hundreds (thousands?) waiting on faithful day when LMH?s Earth Files site to posted her update on the alien drones story. I must have been lucky enough to be one of the first to click on it. When I read Isaacs statements and examined the photos I truly felt this could be some thing huge on the scale of Roswell (assuming it?s not already related to Roswell artifacts.). I was surprised Isaac was using a subdomain and took the ?opportunity? to register the true isaaccaret.com website as a potential investment in moving this story forward.

I will respond with more specific ideas on how to best use the site following our responses. You are welcome to post the above to your members.

Todd E. Schwartz


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Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:24am

which came first... the chicken or the egg.. Didn't the godaddy site get registered long before the Isaac story came out??
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:45am

Castles: I do not know the timeline of these websites. Maybe someone can post it.

I still think that Mr. Schwartz' email to the radio show is not really all that clear.

I still don't buy his story that he wants feedback on how to use the website 'he' registered.

His reasoning doesn't add up. Something doesn't smell right.

Urantia
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Post by Latitude on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:49am

Well, Schwartz is only a cyber squatter tongue.

Bummer. Definately not what I expected. This story is full of surprises. I guess I should stop trying to guess it and just see what happens.
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Post by wreckage on Jul 9th, 2007, 01:00am

Beware the flying sperm!

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1282&category=Environment
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Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 9th, 2007, 01:52am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:01am, urantia606 wrote:
Hey Central....

LOL that was great! "...and throw the room away."... can I use that ? That's a new one on me. All in good spirit.


haha, no I don't mind... I originally heard it in the movie "The Manhattan Project"......

also, please don't take what I'm saying as an attack on those previous posts, I just feel it's important to put out both sides of a story when they do exist, even if it is 'old news'. smiley
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 9th, 2007, 03:51am

on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:40pm, Easternbluestar wrote:
Mark,
Why the sudden cry of "Save the Planet", why now? Why not a few years ago? Why with such urgency is this being aired in the media now?
EBS

It's a sudden cry in the US. In Europe and particularly in France, warming was first talked about in the media maybe ten years ago (if not before). French people are very concerned about warming (even if they don't do much to prevent it...). Actually, it's the first concern for the French, before terrorism (so many things kill much more: heart attacks, driving, kitchens...)
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 06:40am

Onthefence at OMF discovered this old domain address. This city caught my eye.

Domain Name: CARET.US
Domain ID: D8526690-US
Sponsoring Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Domain Status: ok
Registrant ID: 8A356443830F8E9E
Registrant Name: Howard Hoffman
Registrant Organization: Domain Name 4 Sale
Registrant Address1: PO Box 51448
Registrant City: Palo Alto
Registrant State/Province: CA
Registrant Postal Code: 94303
Domain Registration Date: Mon Sep 05 20:50:35 GMT 2005
Domain Expiration Date: Tue Sep 04 23:59:59 GMT 2007
Domain Last Updated Date: Fri Sep 01 20:08:07 GMT 2006

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 06:46am



While in OMF, I found this interesting - check out the few posts regarding the magic number 16.

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=1183057365&page=10
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by nekitamo on Jul 9th, 2007, 06:54am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 06:30am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
...a member posted an address to either a blog or a small online magazine of some nature that discovered the isaaccarret.com address in Go Daddy...

http://www.stevenhuff.net/archives/7
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 07:14am

I found it. It was called Random Lunatic
http://www.stevenhuff.net/archives/7

Discovered by them on June 29th.

Registrant:
Todd Schwartz
155 B Avenue
Suite 240
Lake Oswego, Oregon 97034
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc.
Domain Name: ISAACCARET.COM
Created on: 26-Jun-07
Expires on: 27-Jun-08
Last Updated on: 26-Jun-07

However, shortly thereafter, probably when Todd started to receive emails and phone calls, the domain was changed and Todd Schwartz's name was made hidden. That took place around July 4th and now looks like this.

http://whois.domaintools.com/isaaccaret.com

Just dates to remember.




Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 07:19am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:49am, Latitude wrote:
Well, Schwartz is only a cyber squatter tongue.

Bummer. Definately not what I expected. This story is full of surprises. I guess I should stop trying to guess it and just see what happens.


Do you really believe that? I don't for a moment. He's covering his butt. That's all I see.

If Todd was not guilty of something, why would he change his domain and have his info removed and made private. A little late for that, isn't it.

It believe it is what it is and he is a friend or attorney for Isaac.
.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 9th, 2007, 07:34am

Agreed, and besides, I do a LOT of work for lawyer firms and none I know has enough time to even assist with developing such an intricate story as this one! grin
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 07:48am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 06:54am, nekitamo wrote:
http://www.stevenhuff.net/archives/7


LOL, darn! Wish I had checked our own posts in that 45 min timeframe it took me to find this it OMF. I'll know better next time. Thanks though.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 07:53am

Quote:
Todd Schwartz quote: 5. I am hoping to use the opportunity I have (if any) as the owner of isaaccaret.com to assist groups (such as yours, Whitley?s and LMH?s) to the spread this news into the major media. Yes, I would like a 'cut of the pie' for my efforts. So ultimately, your readers may consider me a cyber-squatter or opportunist. But I would suggest I have more than just making money in mind. I would like to give back to those on the frontline of this effort. I would like to think of my self in the Pantagonia class of capitalist/opportunists.


Well that statement from Todd Schwartz is enough to gag a maggot. That's the man my mom always told me I never want to marry. lol

And Todd, where ever you may be, regarding sentence number 1, that's never going to happen. That boat sailed a long time ago.

Sheesh!
.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:00am


Quote:
all the discussion of my timing the registration: I truly was one of the hundreds (thousands?) waiting on faithful day when LMH?s Earth Files site to posted her update on the alien drones story. I must have been lucky enough to be one of the first to click on it. When I read Isaacs statements and examined the photos I truly felt this could be some thing huge on the scale of Roswell (assuming it?s not already related to Roswell artifacts.). I was surprised Isaac was using a subdomain and took the 'opportunity' to register the true isaaccaret.com website as a potential investment in moving this story forward.


Yeah, and I'm a monkey's uncle. It took him how many days to come up with this statement? Or be it, fabrication. Why didn't he say these things to "onthefence" from OMF when they talked.

We need the "onthefence" email. Anybody know where it is? Let's do some comparison shopping here.
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Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:16am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:00am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
We need the "onthefence" email. Anybody know where it is? Let's do some comparison shopping here.
.

>>From: "Todd Schwartz"
Subject: RE: isaaccaret.com question
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:54:58 -0700
To: "OnThe Fence" <onthefence55@yahoo.com>

Hello

I've been on the road so I have not been able to stay on top of the Isaac phenom. May I ask which boards you have been discussing the isaaccaret.com issue?

I'm interested in getting the information out in an efficient and rapid manner. I was surprised Isaac used a fortunecity.com subdomain. I have registered the domain to ensure it will be put to good use.

I'm open to any suggestions. BTW you are the first to contact me with the exception of one individual who thought I was Isaac. LOL

Regards.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:28am



Well, that doesn't help any. I found it just now to Dr.Dil so I included the last sentence, for grins.

thx.

I don't trust attorneys. too sneaky.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:32am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:16am, DrDil wrote:
>>From: "Todd Schwartz"
Subject: RE: isaaccaret.com question
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:54:58 -0700
To: "OnThe Fence" <onthefence55@yahoo.com>
I'm interested in getting the information out in an efficient and rapid manner. I was surprised Isaac used a fortunecity.com subdomain. I have registered the domain to ensure it will be put to good use.<<<


If this and/or the other letter are even real.... then he sure contradicted himself big time. First he says he is the one that is getting the information out for Isaac, then he said he is just an opportunistic cyber squatter trying to cash in on the latest UFO story. I would really question whether either email is real. -- OnTheFence is the one who received the letter? Then I would probably trust it.... agree with atrueoriginal -- he is covering his legal tushy. It all sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

One question though that is still puzzling me -- I REALLY thought that the isaaccaret domain was purchased long before the fortunecity info came out. June 29th doesn't ring a bell.... coulda swore it was earlier than that -- because that was our whole argument before.....(that schwartz had booked the godaddy site for isaac, but isaac AFTER that posted it on fortunecity) (and supposedly Schwartz was "surprised" to see that isaac had put it out on fortunecity" meaning -- he already had the godaddy domain BEFORE the fortunecity. )

lets check back to our original posts about that info.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by El Charrua on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:36am

Hi everyone.
After reading this i believe that this is what i have seen many times.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1282&category=Environment



Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:44am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 01:00am, wreckage wrote:
Beware the flying sperm!

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1282&category=Environment


Oh my -- that is a huge sperm (well -- drone or whatever) very interesting sighting. I guess Isaac was right -- God only knows WHAT we're gonna see in the skies once these decloaking mechanisms activate.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:47am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:32am, castles4me wrote:
One question though that is still puzzling me -- I REALLY thought that the isaaccaret domain was purchased long before the fortunecity info came out. June 29th doesn't ring a bell.... coulda swore it was earlier than that -- because that was our whole argument before.....(that schwartz had booked the godaddy site for isaac, but isaac AFTER that posted it on fortunecity) (and supposedly Schwartz was "surprised" to see that isaac had put it out on fortunecity" meaning -- he already had the godaddy domain BEFORE the fortunecity. )

lets check back to our original posts about that info.


Yes he did but I already checked for mention. I thought I copy/pasted it in Isaac#1 but it's not there so I guess I didn't. I went through every post from page 50 to 101 and it's not there.
.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:52am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 06:40am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Onthefence at OMF discovered this old domain address. This city caught my eye.

Domain Name: CARET.US
Domain ID: D8526690-US
Sponsoring Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Domain Status: ok
Registrant ID: 8A356443830F8E9E
Registrant Name: Howard Hoffman
Registrant Organization: Domain Name 4 Sale
Registrant Address1: PO Box 51448
Registrant City: Palo Alto
Registrant State/Province: CA
Registrant Postal Code: 94303
Domain Registration Date: Mon Sep 05 20:50:35 GMT 2005
Domain Expiration Date: Tue Sep 04 23:59:59 GMT 2007
Domain Last Updated Date: Fri Sep 01 20:08:07 GMT 2006


That address came up for a water bottling company called hiOsilver -- could have been a recycled PO box number though, not sure

http://www.hiosilver.com/contact.htm
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:56am

Spending a good amount of time in OMF today, I noticed that they have some pretty solid answers on Chad. Well, onthefence did anyway. I just finished reading 250 of his posts from his "all posts". He has done a lot of work on the drones.

I must say though, we have better organization in here thread wise. They have too many threads going on concerning the same subject so there is too much disorganization and trying to locate something is not a whole lot of fun. Let's just say, I'm glad I kept it contained.

But, check out onthefence's "all posts".
.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 9th, 2007, 09:05am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:36am, el charrua wrote:
Hi everyone.
After reading this i believe that this is what i have seen many times.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1282&category=Environment




Welcome! Could you share these experiences with us - when, where, etc?

Thank You!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by nekitamo on Jul 9th, 2007, 09:29am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:56am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I must say though, we have better organization in here thread wise. They have too many threads going on concerning the same subject so there is too much disorganization and trying to locate something is not a whole lot of fun. Let's just say, I'm glad I kept it contained.


I'm using this link to check what's new at OMF, it shows recent messages in all Drone/Isaac threads.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 9th, 2007, 09:31am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:36am, el charrua wrote:
Hi everyone.
After reading this i believe that this is what i have seen many times.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1282&category=Environment


Does not sound the least bit like the drones. Almost sounds organic in nature.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 09:31am

lol just posted this on the ABC "Do Aliens Exist" story blog.

I just read the posts and find it very interesting that none of the hundreds of posts sent in by people from across the US about the recent drone sightings with alien symbols on them is here. And, I guess I can assume that my post will be sensored also. About a week or so ago government whistleblower came forth with photos and government documents of alien technology to corroborate the 10 witnesses (or so) who have sighted and photographed the strange drone craft. Is ABC really hand in hand with government coverup? It's OK to air a program like this, just as long as we always leave that shadow of doubt as your way of escaping?? Why don't you do something bold and leave this post up here. At least let people see for themselves -- info can be found on earthfiles coast to cast or ufocasebook websites.


Let's count how long it stays up there.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by LangLee on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:07am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:45am, urantia606 wrote:
Castles: I do not know the timeline of these websites. Maybe someone can post it.

I still think that Mr. Schwartz' email to the radio show is not really all that clear.

I still don't buy his story that he wants feedback on how to use the website 'he' registered.

His reasoning doesn't add up. Something doesn't smell right.

Urantia

In it for money, typical, have little and no use for money grubbers, that's why the World is in such a sorry state as it is.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Marvin on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:08am

Issac states the characters can not repeat within the code... yet within the photos of the components... there are repeated characters everywhere huh

Is this a sign of things to come? rolleyes
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:12am

first "mainstream"? The wires might pick it up.

http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20070706/REGION/107060071
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:27am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:12am, MarkM wrote:
first "mainstream"? The wires might pick it up.

http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20070706/REGION/107060071


Wow, great story -- several eyewitness testimonies as well. I just emailed the reporter with our complete list of sightings/isaac timeline that ATO posted.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:30am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:08am, bakosawa wrote:
Issac states the characters can not repeat within the code... yet within the photos of the components... there are repeated characters everywhere huh

Is this a sign of things to come? rolleyes


I don't believe you are understanding what Isaac meant. He only stated the non-repeating characters for an analogy to how complex the language is.

Isaac said:
Quote:
Here's an example of how complex the process is. Imagine I ask you to incrementally add random words to a list such that no two words use any of the same letters, and you must perform this exercise entirely in your head, so you can't rely on a computer or even a pen and paper. If the first in the list was, say, "fox", the second item excludes all words with the letters F, O and X. If the next word you choose is "tree", then the third word in the list can't have the letters F, O, X, T, R, or E in it.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:30am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:08am, bakosawa wrote:
Issac states the characters can not repeat within the code... yet within the photos of the components... there are repeated characters everywhere huh

Is this a sign of things to come? rolleyes


I think he might have meant the information behind the character -- what each character represents can be incalculable. Each code or symbol represents as little as one bite of data, or an entire galaxy of information. (paraphrase)
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:32am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:12am, MarkM wrote:
first "mainstream"? The wires might pick it up.

http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20070706/REGION/107060071


The sighting they reference does not sound drone related. Also, I would hardly classify that small town rag as "mainstream".
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:39am

Neither is it a UFO publication - hence, "mainstream". The PHOTOS are the craft we are examining, are they not?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:47am

They have a circulation (print, not including online viewing) of 20,000. I'll take it. That's 20,000 more sets of eyes looking at this thing in the very region that it's been spotted - maybe we'll get lucky and another witness will step forward. If enough of these local "rags" pick it up, then maybe we'll get the New York Times.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:49am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:12am, MarkM wrote:
first "mainstream"? The wires might pick it up.

http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20070706/REGION/107060071


Here is author's email address. Should drop them a note thanking them for the article.

We all do realize that this is not the original Tahoe sighting but yet another - right?

jmunson@tahoedailytribune.com
.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Marvin on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:20am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:30am, Latitude wrote:
I don't believe you are understanding what Isaac meant. He only stated the non-repeating characters for an analogy to how complex the language is.



I believe it was stated... "Imagine I ask you to incrementally add random words to a list such that no two words use any of the same letters," and I am leaning heavily on no two "words" use the same "letters."

How are you defining words and letters in this case? In order for the analogy to work, there must be a working parallel.

To me, each string of characters has repeating characters... Hmmmm, so either I am blind or there is no parallel as drawn by Isaac. You can believe the story or believe what you see. This is just one of many "issues" with the account given by Isaac. I am holding on to my wallet a little while longer....

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:28am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:27am, castles4me wrote:
Wow, great story -- several eyewitness testimonies as well. I just emailed the reporter with our complete list of sightings/isaac timeline that ATO posted.


So did I. lol The whole list - how funny. I sent it off to Anomalist also. That will pull a lot of online clicks for that Tahoe paper - that's for sure.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:28am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:20am, bakosawa wrote:
I believe it was stated... "Imagine I ask you to incrementally add random words to a list such that no two words use any of the same letters," and I am leaning heavily on no two "words" use the same "letters."

How are you defining words and letters in this case? In order for the analogy to work, there must be a working parallel.

To me, each string of characters has repeating characters... Hmmmm, so either I am blind or there is no parallel as drawn by Isaac. You can believe the story or believe what you see. This is just one of many "issues" with the account given by Isaac. I am holding on to my wallet a little while longer....


It's like Castle said, each character can mean many (infinite ?) different things depending on the context in which it is used. I think that is what Isaac was trying to explain.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:32am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:28am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
So did I. lol The whole list - how funny.


Only my opinion but I think some of those items don't belong. There is enough solid events in this story with cluttering it. One of these days this story will no doubt be in UFO lore. Who's version will be the common one?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:40am

ATO:

First, thanks for cleaning up the Schwartz email I posted.

Still waking up this morning.LOL

Secondly, can you help us on this point? I hope this is not redundant.

Didn't the search for the Domain holder at the Fortune city website, that Isaac uses, lead us to Schwartz?

If that is the case, Mr. Schwartz has a lot of explaining to do.

Or am I wrong on this?

Urantia


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:45am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:40am, urantia606 wrote:
ATO:

Secondly, can you help us on this point? I hope this is not redundant.

Didn't the search for the Domain holder at the Fortune city website, that Isaac uses, lead us to Schwartz?


It was that online address for (something Lunatic) that found isaaccaret in the Go Daddy domain and originally when we opened it up, Todd Schwartz's name was present as the owner of that address. It has since been made private - his office probably made him do it.

His excuse for setting up that address is in my eyes quite weak. I still think Isaac is a friend or client of Schwartz's.
.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:47am

I wish I had Todd Schwartz's email address because I would ask him to prove his UFO envolvement then by giving us a screen name, which we know he would have had to create somewhere in someone's in the past. That is assuming that he was simply a UFO buff and his email is the truth.

I can't use the words 'attorney' and 'truth' in the same sentence, can you?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:54am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:32am, Latitude wrote:
Only my opinion but I think some of those items don't belong. There is enough solid events in this story with cluttering it. One of these days this story will no doubt be in UFO lore. Who's version will be the common one?


There won't be just one. It'll be an accumulation of drone by description. Something that should have been done long ago with triangles, cigar, lights, etc.

A drone is a drone is a drone.
.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:58am

Right, ATO. It's the exposure that might eventually lead to disclosure (sorry, that was bad) smiley.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:17pm

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1282&category=Environment

"And then it went on up over the roof and I ran through the house and out the front door to watch it and it went across the street and up over houses and just kept on going."

Without stopping to grab a camera? It sounds like the incident occured for at least 10 minutes, I love how these guys never think to snap a pic.

I couldnt find where they mentioned the source of this image:

User Image

Maybe a next gen drone? He said it looked like latex, I'm wondering if it wasnt really a balloon that got loose and deflated a bit?

http://www.balloonlovers.com/home.cfm?dir_cat=43384

http://www.advertisingblimps.com/html/dirigeables.html

http://balloonbasics.stores.yahoo.net/clandjula.html

http://www.weddingflowersandmore.com/balloon-bulk.html


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:27pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:17pm, j w wright wrote:


At least we now know that there are both benevolent and malevolent drones. Mark seems to think that they're all benevolent so here's proof that they're not.

User Image
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:30pm


DRONE CROP CIRCLE

User Image
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:31pm


Are we laughing yet? Oh gosh! That one was good. I found the planet their from. Do you wanna see?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:42pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:27pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
At least we now know that there are both benevolent and malevolent drones. Mark seems to think that they're all benevolent so here's proof that they're not.User Image


What's your point? That there are good and bad aliens. Of course!!! There are good and bad people.

I'm going to hold my tongue on this one because what might come out would be very uncharacteristic.

Sorry, I didn't think that was funny, accurate, or relevant.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:43pm


Then why did you post it a second time. lol

You're no fun today.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:46pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:27pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
User Image


yikes, it's attack of the killer giant sperm, drone, chimney hanging, felt thingamabobs!!
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:52pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:31pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Are we laughing yet? Oh gosh! That one was good. I found the planet their from. Do you wanna see?


how can i resist? please do!
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Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 1:05pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:17pm, j w wright wrote:
http://www.earthfiles.User Image


I just hope it doesn't try and impregnate anyone.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 1:07pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:52pm, j w wright wrote:
how can i resist? please do!


Well, since you twisted my arm.

PLANET ANTHERIDIUM AND HOME TO THE ANTHEROZOIDS

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Post by MarkM on Jul 9th, 2007, 1:16pm

User Image

"Brilliant, fluorescent apple green" aerial object, surrounded by glittering sparkles, suddenly appeared only about ten feet above treetop on Corbin Avenue around 10 PM local time on May 17, 2006, at an intersection near the Northridge Shopping Mall. Reminded Robert Mariotti of a snow globe after glitter-filled liquid is shaken up. Aerial object's profile was like a horseshoe crab with long tail."

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1268&category=Environment
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Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 1:25pm

OT -- (kinda)
Did ya'll see this post here? Oh my....

entitled
Alien Baby (warning -- if real, this is graphic)
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=aliens&action=display&num=1179727872
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 9th, 2007, 1:43pm

ATO. et al:

Not to beat a dead horse but I thought that Schwartz was somehow listed as the domain owner of the Fortune City website. If not then Isaac started that one himself. But I thought otherwise.

Also, Todds story that he was Johnny on the spot with his hand on the keyboard to register a domain name the instant the LMH posted the Isaac info seems weird.

As we all know there are STILL dozens of Isaac-Caret domain name combinations available for anyone to snap up. But they are not exactly selling like hotcakes.

I agree with you, ATO, something is still rather cockeyed with Todds 'explanation.

Besides how could anyone like Schwartz 'make money' off Isaac's info if everyone on the Internet is giving it away for FREE, including Isaac.

I don't think we're that stupid..

Urantia
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 1:52pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 1:25pm, castles4me wrote:
OT -- (kinda)
Did ya'll see this post here? Oh my....

entitled
Alien Baby (warning -- if real, this is graphic)
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=aliens&action=display&num=1179727872


You would be surprised how a human body can look like such depending on the circumstances of death. Especially if gas was involved in a closed space or container. The body can balloon up along with all the body parts.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 1:55pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 1:43pm, urantia606 wrote:
ATO. et al:

Not to beat a dead horse but I thought that Schwartz was somehow listed as the domain owner of the Fortune City website. If not then Isaac started that one himself. But I thought otherwise.


He was listed as the owner. But, today and yesterday and a couple of days prior to that, it was changed to "private" status.

We all saw Todd E. Schwart's name on that domain as being it's creator. We just don't know why. He says one thing but again, it's weak - but a good excuse if he needed to find a good excuse.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 1:57pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 1:16pm, MarkM wrote:
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"Brilliant, fluorescent apple green" aerial object, surrounded by glittering sparkles, suddenly appeared only about ten feet above treetop on Corbin Avenue around 10 PM local time on May 17, 2006, at an intersection near the Northridge Shopping Mall. Reminded Robert Mariotti of a snow globe after glitter-filled liquid is shaken up. Aerial object's profile was like a horseshoe crab with long tail."

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1268&category=Environment


Okay, I see where you're going. Yeah that could look similar to the sperm drone.

787 16627 7/9/7

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 9th, 2007, 2:05pm

ATO and friends:

OK. That's what I thought.

Schwarts WAS listed as the ORIGINAL owner of the FortuneCity website(now listed as private). That being said, THEN Todd is up to his eyeballs in this, no matter how he tries to cover his tracks.. Period. Todd is in cahoots with Isaac.

Oh did you hear? Today a man came into Mr. Schwartz' office wearing a tinfoil hat and the receptionist said: " Just a moment please, there are three lawyers in this office but Mr. Schwartz will be happy to see you".

%20grin%20grin%20grin
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Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 2:23pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 2:05pm, urantia606 wrote:
Schwarts WAS listed as the ORIGINAL owner of the FortuneCity website(now listed as private). That being said, THEN Todd is up to his eyeballs in this, no matter how he tries to cover his tracks.. Period. Todd is in cahoots with Isaac.



no, not the fortunecity site -- the godaddy domain.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 9th, 2007, 2:31pm

Castles:

Who is currently and who WAS listed as the owner of the Fortune City site( the one Isaac currently uses)??

We all know that Todd was listed as the owner of the Isaaccaret.com site (now private).

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 2:37pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 2:31pm, urantia606 wrote:
Castles:

Who is currently and who WAS listed as the owner of the Fortune City site( the one Isaac currently uses)??

We all know that Todd was listed as the owner of the Isaaccaret.com site (now private).


As far as I know... that hasn't been proven, I believe that information is private. It hasn't been posted to my knowledge.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 9th, 2007, 2:44pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 2:05pm, urantia606 wrote:
Oh did you hear? Today a man came into Mr. Schwartz' office wearing a tinfoil hat and the receptionist said: " Just a moment please, there are three lawyers in this office but Mr. Schwartz will be happy to see you".

%20grin%20grin%20grin


on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:12pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hey Dr. Dil:

I know you have a sense of humor but really, your post #563 is in bad taste considering the seriousness of this subject.

Dr. Edwards has not done anything to make fun of him in that manner. He seems like a nice person.

Urantia606

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 9th, 2007, 2:58pm

Dil:

Mr Schwartz is a public figure and is not answering questions in a manner that is satisfactory and refused to go on the radio to be interviewed yesterday.

Besides that he claims he is out to make money off the disclosure. He's fair game in my book.

Dr. Edwards is in a very different category..


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by DrDil on Jul 9th, 2007, 3:03pm

tia606

on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:41pm, DrDil wrote:
Or we may be taking ourselves just a little too seriously?

Ahh Urantia606, the fact that he JOKED about alien technology himself and he states, “I’m also interested in………craft and comic art in interaction design.” I highly doubt he would take it as a personal

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 9th, 2007, 3:17pm

Dil:

I read Dr. Edwards CV....I didn't notice any jokes about alien technology. All I saw was the remark that he got to play with alien technology whilst he worked at Xerox Parc.

Can you site any joke he made about alien technology?

Reporters and investigators are currently aware of Dr. Edwards involvement with alien tech. Let's wait and see what his response is...if any.

Let's give the guy a break for the time being.


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Post by DrDil on Jul 9th, 2007, 3:24pm

Tia606
on Jul 9th, 2007, 3:17pm, urantia606 wrote:
Dil:

I read Dr. Edwards CV....I didn't notice any jokes about alien technology. All I saw was the remark that he got to play with alien technology whilst he worked at Xerox Parc.

Can you site any joke he made about alien technology?

Reporters and investigators are currently aware of Dr. Edwards involvement with alien tech. Let's wait and see what his response is...if any.

Let's give the guy a break for the time being.


It’s not Dr Edwards I was (trying to?) joke with, it was you.

If you still think that his reference to, “Playing with the technology from the abductees for tech swap that followed..” (Paraphrasing) isn’t a joke, then I can see my time is wasted, not to worry...........

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Nephilim on Jul 9th, 2007, 3:31pm

RoH:
David Sereda with Boyd Bushman
- Anti-Gravity / UFO Disclosure -
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3874568473252816241

Very Nice video!! Now that's what I'm talking about, we need more of these old folks comming out! wink
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Post by jlc767 on Jul 9th, 2007, 3:48pm

Regarding the email from Schwartz:

Shady as hell.

P.S. ATO, I finally got around to reading everything at the Serpo website. All I can say is... WOW.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 9th, 2007, 3:59pm

Of pocket protectors and unlimited budgets

The Cold War, with its "Pentagon socialism", combined with large corporate monopolies that were expected to provide lifetime employment and pensions, made for something of a golden age for American technological innovation. This is the era that brought us the transistor and the predecessor to the Internet, an era where all the seeds of today's "information economy" were sown and carefully cultivated at great private and public expense.

The great labs of this era—Bell Labs, Xerox PARC, and IBM's labs—were places with massive budgets, where the world's top scientists were invited to pursue "blue sky" research into areas with no immediately apparent commercial applications. The facilities were state-of-the-art, and there was no pressure from management or shareholders to do anything but science for science's sake. To be able to fund such a lab was a mark of corporate prestige, and the labs themselves, along with their public counterparts like NASA, were major sources of national pride. For a company like Xerox or AT&T, what it meant to have a blue sky research lab was very much like what it means for a city to host a winning sports team; it was a source of pride and an anchor of collective identity. So much like the science that they produced, these labs were ends in themselves.

You might think of these private and public laboratories, with their hordes of young, energetic PhDs and blue-sky research programs, as producers of a kind of scientific capital. This painstakingly built fund of scientific capital that the postwar era left us was what the later generation of engineers—the fabled "two guys in a garage in Silicon Valley"—drew on to produce the information revolution that began to burgeon even as the Soviet menace was disintegrating.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060724-7340.html
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Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 9th, 2007, 4:49pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 2:31pm, urantia606 wrote:
Castles:

Who is currently and who WAS listed as the owner of the Fortune City site( the one Isaac currently uses)??

We all know that Todd was listed as the owner of the Isaaccaret.com site (now private).


The fortunecity domain is basically anonymous. I have made a couple of posts stating this and how they are created. This type of free hosting was more than likely used to maintain anonymity.

You won't be able to find anything by trying to track down the isaac.fortunecity.com domain.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 5:13pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 3:59pm, MarkM wrote:
Of pocket protectors and unlimited budgets

The Cold War, with its "Pentagon socialism", combined with large corporate monopolies that were expected to provide lifetime employment and pensions, made for something of a golden age for American technological innovation. This is the era that brought us the transistor and the predecessor to the Internet, an era where all the seeds of today's "information economy" were sown and carefully cultivated at great private and public expense.

The great labs of this era—Bell Labs, Xerox PARC, and IBM's labs—were places with massive budgets, where the world's top scientists were invited to pursue "blue sky" research into areas with no immediately apparent commercial applications. The facilities were state-of-the-art, and there was no pressure from management or shareholders to do anything but science for science's sake. To be able to fund such a lab was a mark of corporate prestige, and the labs themselves, along with their public counterparts like NASA, were major sources of national pride. For a company like Xerox or AT&T, what it meant to have a blue sky research lab was very much like what it means for a city to host a winning sports team; it was a source of pride and an anchor of collective identity. So much like the science that they produced, these labs were ends in themselves.

You might think of these private and public laboratories, with their hordes of young, energetic PhDs and blue-sky research programs, as producers of a kind of scientific capital.....


Yup, and it was out of these types of places that the Isaacs of the world worked at. (well at least the SECRET ones!) But I guarantee you, all of the technology today is so intertwined with the work of the secret labs. (and probably ET tech too!) But the computer guys that worked in these labs, like you said are responsible for the internet (ARPANET) .... and the precursor to Windows. I sure hope Bill Gates and the like give back to their government lol
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 9th, 2007, 5:15pm

Watching:

Thanx. This clears the air on that matter for now.

I guess now we are all waiting for the next surprise.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 9th, 2007, 6:52pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 5:15pm, urantia606 wrote:
Watching:

Thanx. This clears the air on that matter for now.

I guess now we are all waiting for the next surprise.


I have to admit I'm no expert on websites and I was a little confused. But now I think I understand it and if I have it correct Schwartz is simply a cyber-squatter. He's betting this Isaac thing is going to really take off and the domain name will be worth something. He has not done anything for Isaac yet (probably never will other than make some money off of his back) and there really is no connection. He probably is an ATS member who was watching the entire drone saga.

But just to make sure, like somebody said before, we need to check the time that he registered the domain against the time the Isaac news broke. That would be the smoking gun.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 6:58pm



Which brings up my point. I just now wrote Mr. Schwartz and requested evidence proving that he is not affiliated with Isaac.

I asked for a screen name and forum name where he might be a member. If he has neither then we're back to square one. If he has something, then we'll have to consider it at that time based on date of registration.

I hope to get an answer. I reminded him that it would reduce the numbers of people that wish to email him and/or knock on his door at the law office.
.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 7:00pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 6:52pm, Latitude wrote:
I have to admit I'm no expert on websites and I was a little confused. But now I think I understand it and if I have it correct Schwartz is simply a cyber-squatter. He's betting this Isaac thing is going to really take off and the domain name will be worth something. He has not done anything for Isaac yet (probably never will other than make some money off of his back) and there really is no connection. He probably is an ATS member who was watching the entire drone saga.

But just to make sure, like somebody said before, we need to check the time that he registered the domain against the time the Isaac news broke. That would be the smoking gun.


Or just a good excuse. We can't check the date anymore. The domain page was changed. I know it was a date previous to the 28th because I saw it myself but we don't have that proof anymore.
.
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Post by starsigndavid on Jul 9th, 2007, 7:11pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 08:28am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I don't trust attorneys. too sneaky.


HEY, I'M a NICE attorney!! smiley
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 9th, 2007, 7:46pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 7:11pm, starsigndavid wrote:
HEY, I'M a NICE attorney!! smiley


Ok, so there's maybe one exception to the rule Dave lol
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Marvin on Jul 9th, 2007, 7:59pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:28am, Latitude wrote:
It's like Castle said, each character can mean many (infinite ?) different things depending on the context in which it is used. I think that is what Isaac was trying to explain.


That would explain why Isaac did not copy the whole report... a primer for an infinite language will be difficult to copy... he only published 5 pages after all. Of course the so called primer is meaningless without any translation (it was more like a schematic than a primer). How large would a primer be for an infinitely large language? How were these folks "smart" enough or able to figure out that the same word has infinite meanings? Then one word means everything.

Another thing, how practical would an infinite "language" be? No one would ever understand anyone "speaking" or writing within the same "language," and it could never be learned by anyone (it is all infinite after all). Kind of defeats the propose of a language… another one of those "issues."

If Isaac stated that a component is the anti-gravity propulsion for the craft, this technology has a specific purpose, and not an infinite number of purposes. It is not a garbage disposal, a water filter, a green house and a propulsion system. This makes sense.

There is no demonstration of infinite diversity in the primer or the photographed “technology” unless you are willing to speculate a word has infinite meanings... which are not very efficient way to communicate or to design a spacecraft. It all still sounds like con man double talk to me with nothing to really back it up but wishful thinking.

Just some food for thought.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by LangLee on Jul 9th, 2007, 7:59pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 3:31pm, Nephilim wrote:
RoH:
David Sereda with Boyd Bushman
- Anti-Gravity / UFO Disclosure -
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3874568473252816241

Very Nice video!! Now that's what I'm talking about, we need more of these old folks comming out! wink


You are right, what a great video, shame no real part 2.

You people that are trying to find isaac, domains, owners, ect. are really making me nervous.
For example, you somehow got hold of film of the shooter on the grassy knoll. You put a couple of stills from it on a web site. Investigation after investigation has said Oswald acted alone..........someone wants it to stay that way ya think ? Everyone is looking for you to prove or disprove, or maybe something else.
Pure fantasy, but I'm just trying to say let's see if more info comes, all of this looking may stall the flow of information giving the naysayer's ammunition for the I Told You So shots.
Whatever is going on here is quite fascinating. No one is jumping fully on it because the photos are compelling, they aren't blobs, faint disks, silhouettes, lights travelling with a black background, they are really what everyone has been always asking for other than one landing in their front yard......sharp photos, but now they are too sharp, too detailed, you can actually identify markings that appear on it. I find this full of contradiction and it gives me a headache.
If it's real or not it's been a great ride, much learned, but it wouldn't be a total loss. There's too much here, you seed a lie with a truth.........I think that's how it goes.
Maybe there should be less talk of who and where isaac is lest the flow of info dries up.
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Post by starsigndavid on Jul 9th, 2007, 9:10pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 7:46pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Ok, so there's maybe one exception to the rule Dave lol



Of course, I AM retired! LOL

In reading the Schwartz response, I have to say I was struck by its seeming lack of sincerity or, shall I say, the 'mercenary" nature of his views on this entire episode. For me, that doesn't necessarily translate into a growing distrust of the Isaac disclosures, but this is all one giant interconnected story. Take just one brick out of the foundation and the entire house may fall.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 9th, 2007, 9:42pm

The sad part is that we've reached this point but there may never be anymore information released. We really haven't accomplished more than perhaps draw more people to the idea that ET technology exists and that we may have some of it. I guess that a big plus but nothing has been proven yet....it's still an idea. It will probably go down in history as a hoax if nothing more surfaces. Then there will be some of us believing that and some of us convinced otherwise....ala alien autopsy. Let's keep our fingers and toes crossed and wish for another release of information from Isaac.

HJ
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by AgentM on Jul 9th, 2007, 9:46pm

I figured out what the drones do.

Drone Addiction.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 9:54pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 7:59pm, LangLee wrote:
You people that are trying to find isaac, domains, owners, ect. are really making me nervous.
For example, you somehow got hold of film of the shooter on the grassy knoll. You put a couple of stills from it on a web site. Investigation after investigation has said Oswald acted alone..........someone wants it to stay that way ya think ? Everyone is looking for you to prove or disprove, or maybe something else.
Pure fantasy, but I'm just trying to say let's see if more info comes, all of this looking may stall the flow of information giving the naysayer's ammunition for the I Told You So shots.
Whatever is going on here is quite fascinating. No one is jumping fully on it because the photos are compelling, they aren't blobs, faint disks, silhouettes, lights travelling with a black background, they are really what everyone has been always asking for other than one landing in their front yard......sharp photos, but now they are too sharp, too detailed, you can actually identify markings that appear on it. I find this full of contradiction and it gives me a headache.
If it's real or not it's been a great ride, much learned, but it wouldn't be a total loss. There's too much here, you seed a lie with a truth.........I think that's how it goes.
Maybe there should be less talk of who and where isaac is lest the flow of info dries up.


AGREE!!!!!! This is what I had posted before!!! If we tear apart any possible lead into this (like vultures on yesterdays road kill!) and then expect that more people are going to be willing to stick out their necks to disclose info... you gotta be crazy. I really hope that we can be a mature community that is condusive and receptive to the flow of information.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:07pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 9:46pm, AgentM wrote:
I figured out what the drones do.

Drone Addiction.


Yup. My wife says I need Metha-drone.
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Post by Farmboy on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:10pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 7:59pm, bakosawa wrote:
That would explain why Isaac did not copy the whole report... a primer for an infinite language will be difficult to copy... he only published 5 pages after all.
Just some food for thought.


It seems his task was to develop an algorithm that works to explain just the basic RULES of a language that incorporates words that each have a virtually infinite number of meanigs, shadings, contextual significance....

This all asssumes (which we do not know, yet) there is even a language and the ETs are the primary species of their planet/system. The ETs sent here could have been cyborg avatars "speaking" a direct kind of machine language, ie without higher level user friendliness.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Xeroid on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:35pm

Hello,

Really peeved at the minute, just lost my entire post after building it with links and stuff.... embarassed

I'll try again....it's not got as much detail though.

Since seeing something very unusual as a child travelling with my parents (Father was in the RAF) I have always had a smoldering interest in the subject of UFO's but I can tell the story another time.

I only do the odd search from time to time and with Roswell kicking around at the moment I though I'd see what's going on in the UFO community and stumbled on the Isaac letter and documents. I had see the drone images a few weeks ago and they did stir some interest but I considered them to be computer generated. (they still maybe) But the Isaac documents suggested otherwise so I read on and raised an eyebrow when I saw the Xerox PARC reference.

Let me explain. I work for Xerox (not USA) and have done since the early 90's as your typical hardware sales person. Reading about XPARC was interesting but as I read on I nearly fell of my chair when I read about the "Language" and read this line:

Quote from letter:

"The language, a term I am still using very loosely, is a system of symbols (which does admittedly very much resemble a written language) along with geometric forms and patterns that fit together to form diagrams that are themselves functional."

Well I'll be......that sounds just like my recollection of Xerox Dataglyph and Smartpaper Technology shocked

Dataglyph Description

http://www.parc.com/research/projects/dataglyphs/

Well some years ago now, I recall being shown this new technology from XPARC called Xerox Dataglyph's and I recall being amazed at how a series of intricated symbols could hold so much data and information. As with many Xerox technologies, we as sales people, struggled to find real money spinning applications that as a priority shifted our hardware (it's all about shifting boxes/MFD's/production engines, even today kiss

The applications kicked around for a while and then drifted and pretty much dropped off our radar (where I work anyway) and that was it till I read the letter last night.

Before writing this, I did a search of the Xerox Fact book at work to see when the technology first appears as I didn't want to get all excited and then see that it became "commercial" in 1983 or something. Well I was not at all surprised to see it emerge in 1995 which seems to fit in nicely (speculating) with research in the late 80's followed by the hugh amounts of government red tape and commercial development to get the product ready for release in the mid 90's.

http://www.xerox.com/go/xrx/template/019d.jsp?view=Factbook&id=MajorProdUSAnnounce&Xcntry=USA&Xlang=en_US

Hope this has added something of interest to this cool thread.

If this is a hoax it's a cracker!

Regards
Xeroid.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:41pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 9:46pm, AgentM wrote:
I figured out what the drones do.

Drone Addiction.


Isn't there a 12 step program for this? Drone Addicts Anonymous DAA

"Hi, my name is castles -- I am a Dronaholic"
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:42pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:35pm, Xeroid wrote:
Hope this has added something of interest to this cool thread.

Regards
Xeroid.


Thanks for the links and for the post!!! I am going to read up on that. If more and more people come front, the puzzle pieces will be put together.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:47pm

Jeff -- the writer from the Tahoe newspaper article from earlier emailed me back. (I had emailed him to thank him for the article and send in the list of the complete timeline of all of the drone sightings etc)
He emailed me back with the question concerning disclosure -- whether or not I thought that it was around the corner (not sure if it was an "interview" question or not but this is the answer I sent)

As for the question you asked me, I really feel that disclosure is around the corner. It might not be a UFO landing on the whitehouse lawn, but a story here, a story there, a whistleblower here and one there; until the evidence is overwhelmingly too obvious for the governments of the world to cover up any more. Also, several other nations have made their UFO files disclosed (at least in part) Brazil, France and now the UK ministry of Defence stated in May that they will be releasing more files.

The question is how will people react if there is full disclosure. Will extreme muslims blow them out of the sky? Will homegrown US militia men try and fight them off? Not every human will be accepting of the idea, even though the latest AOL poll showed nearly 75 percent of people surveyed believe that UFOs exist. Saying "oh yes UFO's are real, I believe it" is one thing, and then to have it actually truly unfold before your eyes and see photos beyond the shadow of doubt is another. It is easy for people to believe when there is always a shadow of doubt cast by the government and the media. It's our safety net.


Also, if there is full disclosure -- will the aliens really change their M.O.? Will they still fly around secretly, not to be seen, or will THEY be in on the disclosure? The depth of the governments' secrecy is not clear. Have they been in cahoots with the aliens all of these years? Only time will tell, but if I had to give my opinion, I feel that something is stirring, that very soon life as we know it will change. And, there will be a convergence of a magnitude far greater than any we have ever seen. Where government, science, religion, extraterrestrials, spirit, mind, and humanity all come crashing together and what is left is a world putting back together the pieces of the TRUTH puzzle one by one. And the answer to the universe and God's plan for us begins to unfold.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:57pm

Xeroid

I would say the shoe fits. Welcome and thank you.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by hjdelight on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:04pm

Yes Xeroid, thanks for taking the trouble. We appreciate it. And very well written response castles4me. I hope they print it.

HJ
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:18pm

I recall that Isaac said the 'lettering and symbols' have to be made of a special material themselves so that they correctly interact with the 'substrate' material(s).

The symbols are just not screened on with any old paint. It has to be an application that somehow reacts with the substrate itself and activates the various materials of the substrate.

Did anyone see the new Japanese TV screen that's as thin as a piece of metal foil?

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:40pm

on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:18pm, urantia606 wrote:
I recall that Isaac said the 'lettering and symbols' have to be made of a special material themselves so that they correctly interact with the 'substrate' material(s).

The symbols are just not screened on with any old paint. It has to be an application that somehow reacts with the substrate itself and activates the various materials of the substrate.

Did anyone see the new Japanese TV screen that's as thin as a piece of metal foil?


Umm........ I think Xeroid hit on this by providing this and I quote:

Well I'll be......that sounds just like my recollection of Xerox Dataglyph and Smartpaper Technology

Dataglyph Description

http://www.parc.com/research/projects/dataglyphs/

Have you looked at this info? the dataglyphs can be encoded onto metal. -- I wouldn't be surprised if this very technology was created in the CARET lab, or from a similar group of computer programers working for secret government. I guess they found a commercial use for it afterall.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 9th, 2007, 11:59pm

Quote from the Parc website as it may relate to the writing on the alien artifacts:

Micro-devices for Particulate Manipulation
Using advanced ETW (electrostatic traveling wave) technology, PARC researchers have developed a suite of compact, low-power, MEMS-based (micro-electro-mechanical systems) devices which can be used for collecting, transporting, concentrating, separating, sensing, and otherwise manipulating inorganic and organic particulates in water, gels, air, and on surfaces. These micro-devices have immediate applications for homeland security, water safety, biotechnology, and the food industry.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 10th, 2007, 12:47am

Isaac's original letter to C2C.

Greetings Coast to Coast AM,

I have information that can explain a great deal of what is going on in the photos provided by Chad, Rajman, the Lake Tahoe witness, as well as the photos taken by Jenna and Ty in Big Basin, CA?

I'm going by the alias "Isaac" while I release this information. I'm an electrical engineer and computer scientist and used to work in a program called "CARET" that was concerned with research and development based on extra-terrestrial technology. Many key elements of the technology I worked with during my time with CARET are clearly visible in these crafts. This work was done in the 80's in Palo Alto, CA, so it's no surprise to me that these sightings are taking place within such proximity to that area.

Attached to this email you will find numerous scans of photographs and documents from my CARET days that pertain to what I'm going to tell you, and would like to share with your audience. In addition, I have put up a small website that has very high resolution copies of all of these scans, as well as a lengthy letter that explains a lot about me, the CARET program, and these sightings. I've been listening to your show since 2002 and would like to work with you to get this information out there. Please read the text at the website for the rest of the details, as I am taking a fairly significant personal risk and would like to make sure it's worth it: isaaccaret.fortunecity.com

All I ask in sharing this information is that it's kept together. There are 4 photos and a total of 15 pages of scanned documents. If you'd like to resize them for your website, that is fine... I want people to have easy access to this information IN FULL. I feel this is reasonable and it is all I ask. I am NOT trying to sell anything and the only reason I created this very simple website is to ensure all the information is presented correctly and in one place.

--Isaac

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 10th, 2007, 03:23am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:35pm, Xeroid wrote:
Hello,
Well I'll be......that sounds just like my recollection of Xerox Dataglyph and Smartpaper Technology shocked
Dataglyph Description
http://www.parc.com/research/projects/dataglyphs/
Xeroid.

Yes, we spoke about that technology. One here on the forum made his avatar with it.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 10th, 2007, 03:26am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:35pm, Xeroid wrote:
Hello,
http://www.xerox.com/go/xrx/template/019d.jsp?view=Factbook&id=MajorProdUSAnnounce&Xcntry=USA&Xlang=en_US

Hope this has added something of interest to this cool thread.
Regards
Xeroid.

This link is very interesting. It shows what kind of scans where possible in the 80's.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Xeroid on Jul 10th, 2007, 06:11am

I'd like to make one thing clear, I am not suggesting that Dataglyphs are the same as what being taked about in the Isaac notes.

That said, I could not ignore the similarity in concept of symbols containing data or instructions and those symbols being applied to inert objects such as paper, plastic or metal parts. Step 1 only 500 steps to go maybe!

With Dataglyphs we still need something to scan and interprit the instructions.....unlike the hocuspocus of Isaacs notes where there seems to be no interpritation in the way we understand, the object seems to know what to do by its self.

In case people were not aware, Xerox had some amazing developments in the computing world. Ethernet is a Xerox invention, making networks and the internet as we know it today possible. Things like icon driven touch screens, the computer mouse and icon based operating systems. Heck they even say they got the first computer going but then it was seen as a low value project so the guys working at PARC left and started Apple. (or something like that, it's been years since the induction training)


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 10th, 2007, 06:22am

Xeroid:

Your input on this phenom is most valuable and I enjoy your posts!

It may be that certain Xerox applications and 'products' are not available to the commercial market.

Many have probably been developed strictly for military use. My guess is that a single drone device would cost in the billions of dollars....when you add in all the R/D etc.

The budgets of these Black Projects are staggering.

That's my take on this.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Xeroid on Jul 10th, 2007, 06:59am

Thanks urantia606 and the other people who welcomed me. Glad to be here and if anything I can provide is helpful, all the better.

I do have a bit of a nagging question, one that I am sure has been asked when ever episods like this occur.

Why would those who have the control let the site stay up once discovered. Or is the true power of the internet at work here once a few people nab the files and content...the wave is rolling and no point adding to the story by shutting the site?

Maybe I answered my one question. smiley


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 10th, 2007, 07:16am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:35pm, Xeroid wrote:
Hello,

Really peeved at the minute, just lost my entire post after building it with links and stuff.... embarassed


Don't ya hate that. After losing many, many posts I taught myself to prepare them in an email to myself or put them on WordPad. Then, copy/paste them over to post. It's the pits if you don't.
.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Xeroid on Jul 10th, 2007, 07:24am

I'm not very good at this forum stuff sad

Lost posts - advice taken and thanks a Atrueoriginall
Woefull spelling - never was a scholar
Edit central - takes me several goes to actually get my point across sometimes, no, most times!


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 10th, 2007, 07:34am

Re: Back and forth conversations with Todd Schwartz via email. I would post them here but I cannot since the following was quite plainly stated on the bottom of each email received from Todd Schwartz.

I have since noticed that another forum has taken it upon themselves to post accordingly. This forum was a CC I used while communicating with Todd.

Furthermore, and more importantly, there is a nagging glitch that I am still dealing with in regard to the date and time of Todd's isaaccaret.com domain and the initial email received by Coast to Coast from Isaac regarding Isaac's website.

Quote:
Confidentiality Notice: The proprietary information contained in the above electronic mail transmission is confidential. It is intended to be sent to and received by the named recipient only. The contents of the email and all statements of fact and/or opinion stated are protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by the attorney-client and/or attorney-work-product privileges. If you are not the named recipient or his or her authorized agent, any review, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please (1) delete this transmission and all attachments immediately; (2) destroy all copies of the transmission in any and all forms; and (3) immediately notify Todd E. Schwartz of the incident by telephone at 503.635.5244 at sender's expense. Pursuant to requirements related to practice before the Internal Revenue Service, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties imposed under the United States Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing, or recommending to another person any transaction or matter addressed herein. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.


The answers I found are as follows below.

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 10th, 2007, 07:53am

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2007/06/26.html

This address (posted on the 26th) says, "Late on Monday night (June 25th) we received an email from a person going by the alias of "Isaac," presenting an explanation for the recent strange craft sightings, such as seen in the photos "Chad" sent us. Isaac writes that he worked in a program called "CARET" in the 1980s in Palo Alto, which conducted R & D based on extraterrestrial technology, and that many of the key elements of that program are clearly visible in the recent craft photos."

The above 26th date is also on Todd's GoDaddy and PayPal emails he sent me copies of.

Todd's website was officially created on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:51:57 PM, the very day that Coast to Coast posted the Isaac story.

Latitude posted the website address here in the forum at 2:11 CT or for west coast 11:11 PT. For this reason, Todd's basically off the hook except to say that the emails I received were not forwarded to me but rather a copy/paste and no actual timeframes were mentioned.

What is gnawing at me is now the date that the website was made private. It is listed as the 28th where the last update was made however, Random Lunatic's article ran on June 29th and on the June 29th that the domain was not yet set as private and instead was the actual date that we saw Todd Schwartz's personal information.

Go figure.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Scorpion on Jul 10th, 2007, 08:03am

just a bit of smirk i read from the 'abovetopsecret.com' forum...

Quote:
Two well known scientific Isaacs...

Isaac Asimov = Robots

Isaac Newton = Gravity

Put them together and it equals, a robotic probe that floats in the air

Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Marvin on Jul 10th, 2007, 08:14am

on Jul 9th, 2007, 10:10pm, Farmboy wrote:
It seems his task was to develop an algorithm that works to explain just the basic RULES of a language that incorporates words that each have a virtually infinite number of meanigs, shadings, contextual significance....

This all asssumes (which we do not know, yet) there is even a language and the ETs are the primary species of their planet/system. The ETs sent here could have been cyborg avatars "speaking" a direct kind of machine language, ie without higher level user friendliness.


I understand where you are coming from… I am trying to come to grasp the task of decrypting an unknown “language” that is “infinite.” Back in my old college days, I booted a Digital PDP8I (okay, I’m old) to calculate Pi and went to lunch. My Computer Lab Professor was not a happy camper when I came back. If in truth, a combination of characters could have near infinite meaning… the computer back in the 1980’s would still be running today on the same string of characters (take a second to realize how large infinite is)… it would be a hopeless undertaking unless you already have some kind of a primer or translator. Even then, how would one understand it in order to apply it? Yet, we are to believe that not only do we understand it, but we can build our own craft with this “infinite” language? Gee, my wife has trouble understanding to how to start the weed eater… I still have to do it for her.

If we are building something… it is something that we can basically understand. This is a paradox (and an issue) this story creates.

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Post by Scorpion on Jul 10th, 2007, 08:22am

The principles of antigravitation flight: space-time is curved in area of the device
(remind anyone of the center 'feeler' things on the drones?)
User Image

as seen here -> http://www.keelynet.com/greb/greb.htm
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 10th, 2007, 08:50am

on Jul 10th, 2007, 08:22am, Scorpion wrote:
The principles of antigravitation flight: space-time is curved in area of the device

as seen here -> http://www.keelynet.com/greb/greb.htm


Scorpion, this is an intriguing article. Especially since it refers to insects. People have been calling these drones the "dragonfly drones" because of their insectoidal shape.

Also, could these aliens be from the "praying mantis" looking race, or a similar insectoidal race?

Farmboy posted a very interesting post.... I will copy it here from the "Scientific Vision" thread of mine:

Quote:
author=Farmboy link=board=general&num=1183141379&start=54#3 date=1183777759]Re ET exobiology and all that, personally i believe that visual inspection of cultural hardware and communication (systems) design can tell a lot about the exobiology and psych make-up of the originating entities.

Stretching:
if the XPARC ubiquitus computing idea is an ourtcome of the Isaac project, then the ET originators have a "hive" aspect to their evolved culture. They mightnhave been strongly individualistic in their "primitive" stages but are collective-minded now.

Moreover, they could have evolved their ubiquitus technolgy easier if they started out as mind-linked, insectoid, hive species (or as species telepathically linked). This original psycho-bio apparatus would lead them directly to holographic technology combined with massive computers. Earth techology has not, apparently, developed as far as holographic memory...we are still enlarging upon multi-depth, imbedded, 2D linear tracked, DVD-like memory devices. Holographic memeory will come with quantum computing technology.



you know....... we may just figure out everything and the government will have nothing left to disclose!! lol
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 10th, 2007, 09:08am

Follow microwaves and dataglyphs.

Also plasma glow and microwaves (the drone that was neon green and "sparkled" - I think this was the only non daylight report)

http://www.weeklyscientist.com/ws/newsfactor.htm

http://www.acm.org/ubiquity/views/v8i04_bih.html

The question then is are these drones intercepting or generating a microwave signal?

Maybe this is what's up with the bees. They're getting "jammed" too.

ADDED: Microwaves are associated with crop circles.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 10th, 2007, 09:16am

I took this with a grain of salt when I first read the post. However, with the new info from our UK poster last night, and, the curiosity regarding Isaac's use of the term "at university", it might be worth a second look. No new post from this individual.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183683703
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Post by Miscreant on Jul 10th, 2007, 09:17am

Since I started coming here, I've noticed words like "Colony" and "hive". These were the words used in an ARG (Alternate Reality Game) by Bungie for the release of Halo 2.

It's not completely impossible that this is still just a hoax, and it's entire purpose was for the impending Halo 3 release.


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 10th, 2007, 09:22am

If this is some type of ultra high tech surveillance drone (ours), based on several of the principles and materials that we've all discovered, then letting this thing roll along as just another "silly" UFO story, is the perfect cover.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 10th, 2007, 09:25am

Miscreant - please listen to all three of LMH's interviews - episodes 17, 18, and 19.

I did so again with my wife last night. Shirley's in particular.

There are so many elements to this that the hoax angle is starting to look less and less likely every day.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by oljack666 on Jul 10th, 2007, 09:34am

on Jul 10th, 2007, 09:16am, MarkM wrote:
I took this with a grain of salt when I first read the post. However, with the new info from our UK poster last night, and, the curiosity regarding Isaac's use of the term "at university", it might be worth a second look. No new post from this individual.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183683703


What UK poster Mark. He mentioned something once on the 5th but has he been back?


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 10th, 2007, 09:38am

on Jul 10th, 2007, 09:08am, MarkM wrote:

Maybe this is what's up with the bees. They're getting "jammed" too.



Are you talking about the dying off of the honey bees? Brilliant deduction -- Watson.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 10th, 2007, 09:45am

ATO - Xeroid, I believe he said he's in the UK Dad in RAF)

"Let me explain. I work for Xerox (not USA)....."

The "Please Read" poster is UK as well. Just another interesting point smiley.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 10th, 2007, 09:55am

on Jul 10th, 2007, 08:56am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
. and he is a linguistics specialists from Xerox Parc? hmmm....


Can I just reiterate the fact that if we think we have a lead to who Isaac is that we don't post it in this forum? Why would we want to blow our only source of information out of the water and inhibit others to come forward.

If Isaac truly is a scientist that is still out there, well then, it only proves the story is true. We have no need to uncover him here. Do we want the real Isaac getting in trouble with the government?

Do we risk a man's life just so we can pat ourselves on the backs and say we figured it out??

We don't need to contact that man or anyone else for that matter. Isaac said he was going to see how this settles before releasing info. Then... let's let it settle. Let's not hunt him down like a fox.

That man's information looks like he could be An "Isaac" maybe not necessarily THE "Isaac". -- in other words, maybe he worked in a situation something similar to what was described.

I vote we discuss only the documents, the technology, the photos.... and NOT try and figure out who Isaac is. I am not up for helping the government kill off an informant.


I put this in green because it is HUGELY important.
And yes, I was trying to do the same thing... figure out who he was. Until I saw what this board did to those they felt had a connection. If I figured out who he was I would HAVE to keep it a secret. It's just the right thing to do. All I have to say is THANKS Isaac, for coming forward with the information.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by MarkM on Jul 10th, 2007, 10:04am

Castles, I agree. We probably needn't be too stressed about it though because I'm sure they'll be several steps ahead of this in tracking "him".
But, yes, restraint is definitely called for. Establishing Isaacs creditability isn't as critical in light of all of the other info we have, just about all of which seems to back up his material.

PS - My point in mentioning the UK ties was only to re examine that "Please Read" post in a new light.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 10th, 2007, 10:13am

on Jul 10th, 2007, 10:04am, MarkM wrote:
Castles, I agree. PS - My point in mentioning the UK ties was only to re examine that "Please Read" post in a new light.


Thanks for agreeing with me. And, yes I read that guys "Pleae Read" post. It is very interesting. I hope (if he was for real) that he will come back and provide more details.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 10th, 2007, 10:38am

ATO, the confidentiality notice is a standard footer for emails from attorneys or law firms. This does not mean anything for you. It is meant to legally bind anyone "unauthorized" from reading or doing anything else with them.

Confidentiality Notice: The proprietary information contained in the above electronic mail transmission is confidential. It is intended to be sent to and received by the named recipient only. The contents of the email and all statements of fact and/or opinion stated are protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by the attorney-client and/or attorney-work-product privileges. If you are not the named recipient or his or her authorized agent, any review, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please (1) delete this transmission and all attachments immediately; (2) destroy all copies of the transmission in any and all forms; and (3) immediately notify Todd E. Schwartz of the incident by telephone at 503.635.5244 at sender's expense. Pursuant to requirements related to practice before the Internal Revenue Service, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties imposed under the United States Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing, or recommending to another person any transaction or matter addressed herein. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

The portions in red are highlighted to point some things out.

1. YOU ARE the named recipient.

2. As the recipient you are in effect the "client" in the attorney-client privilege. The client can ALWAYS disclose ANYTHING protected by ACP.

3. It states if you are "not recipient" "use prohibited". Again, you are "recipient" "use permitted".

It is still up to you of course what you want to do, but don't let that little bit of legal language scare you.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by j w wright on Jul 10th, 2007, 11:07am

on Jul 10th, 2007, 08:03am, Scorpion wrote:
Isaac Asimov = Robots

Isaac Newton = Gravity



Dont forget everyone's favorite Isaac:

User Image

Bananna Daquiri, anyone?


Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 10th, 2007, 11:19am

As far as the Isaac name, if it was me doing this I might do something like pick the name of one of the military types that bugged the hell out of me during my time at CARET.

I thought it would be funny and appropriate if the name Isaac was actually chosen for Colonel Isaac Smith or Brigadier General "Pain in my Butt" Isaac.

Another one could be: I Saw Alien Artifacts at Caret
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by El Charrua on Jul 10th, 2007, 11:27am

MarkM . i would like to start by saying .
Have you had any exp with ufo.
Have you seen any or any of the objects that look like a ballon.
I would like to know this before i state my exp.

Thanks.
Charrua.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by urantia606 on Jul 10th, 2007, 11:30am

This is the link that details the history of the forune city site as far as access of the contents by other websites. You may have seen this before. I believe it includes an entry as to when Isaac uploaded the Pdf files that created the content of the site. I am not an expert in this... others may have some pertinent viewpoint as to what this info means.

http://www.whois.ws/websearch.php?query=isaaccaret.fortunecity.com¤t_name=isaaccaret.fortunecity.com&start=1




Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by windupbird on Jul 10th, 2007, 11:40am

on Jul 10th, 2007, 09:55am, castles4me wrote:
[b][color=LimeGreen]Can I just reiterate the fact that if we think we have a lead to who Isaac is that we don't post it in this forum? Why would we want to blow our only source of information out of the water and inhibit others to come forward.


I would agree - and my intention of the pm was to start a private discussion to see if this information had been discussed yet - but alas whats done is done. On a positive note - who is gonna believe a crazy idiot who buys his cat a pet alien from the Roswell gift shop.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Gort on Jul 10th, 2007, 11:59am

on Jul 10th, 2007, 11:40am, windupbird wrote:
I would agree - and my intention of the pm was to start a private discussion to see if this information had been discussed yet - but alas whats done is done. On a positive note - who is gonna believe a crazy idiot who buys his cat a pet alien from the Roswell gift shop.


What?
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 10th, 2007, 12:05pm

on Jul 10th, 2007, 06:59am, Xeroid wrote:
I do have a bit of a nagging question, one that I am sure has been asked when ever episods like this occur.

Why would those who have the control let the site stay up once discovered. Or is the true power of the internet at work here once a few people nab the files and content...the wave is rolling and no point adding to the story by shutting the site?

Maybe I answered my one question. smiley


Within minutes of the website's unveiling it had been downloaded and mirrored many times. The cat had already been let out of the bag. Closing down the website would only serve to confirm a conspiracy.
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Latitude on Jul 10th, 2007, 12:07pm

on Jul 10th, 2007, 11:59am, Gort wrote:
What?


He said he bought his pet cat a pet alien. Pets need pets too. cheesy
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by castles4me on Jul 10th, 2007, 12:14pm

on Jul 10th, 2007, 12:07pm, Latitude wrote:
He said he bought his pet cat a pet alien. Pets need pets too. cheesy


Well, the aliens keep mutilating cats.... or taking them.... so, it's only appropriate that we give our cats some aliens too lol
Re: #2 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK IS
Post by Cybereality on Jul 10th, 2007, 12:17pm

I don't understand why people are insisting that no information about "Isaac" be posted.

"Isaac" is an engineer/scientist, do you really think he wouldnt expect people to investigate every single avenue of his story?

This is the mistake the "UFO" community has been making for decades. If you really want to be taken seriously, and receive full disclosure from the government, every single story must be meticulously studied and critiqued. You have to weed out the hoaxes with veracity, so as to prevent further hoaxes and increase credibility within society.

"Isaac" released his information to C2C and the Internet. He obviously knew FULL WELL the size of the audience he would have.

If his story is true, whatever petty investigations the general public does of the material and source will be MINISCULE in comparison to what type of investigation the government could perform. If these black compartmentalized projects exist, you can be sure there will be other black compartmentalized programs specifically designed to find leaks.

I say attack this data with veracity, explore every possible avenue and DISCLOSE the information and source along with proof. Otherwise, you will just be playing into the governments hands.

If his story is true, and he has left evidence of his identity in which some random group of internet users could uncover, then the government, with their resources, will have already found him or her.

People