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#9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Truth
Post by DrDil on Jun 17th, 2009, 3:21pm

This is a continuation of the 2007 California Drone discussion.


Previous Drone thread (#8) is located here.


The Original Drone Sightings are as follows:

1) The *Chad* Drone, originally posted at the Coast2Coast Website.
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftphotos.html

2) The *Lake Tahoe* Drone - Mufon <submitter> 7013
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftdrone.html

3) The *Rajman1977* Drone, originally posted at Flickr.
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html

4) The *Jenna L/Stephen* Drone, originally posted at UFOCasebook.
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

5) The *Ty* Drone, originally posted at Earthfiles:
URL: http://tinyurl.com/4cpcgk

The *Isaac* documentation, originally posted at Fortunecity.com.:
URL: http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 17th, 2009, 3:22pm

on Jun 17th, 2009, 3:00pm, Virgil wrote:
Now we have something that is akin to the mother lode ..of what..the source of the hoax?

It looks more to me like a spinoff not the primary cause of the hoax. The dates all activity ariseing 2008..
It may well have had common players..or was intended to be just as it is now something that benefits the artists and or musicians,,as well as the c2c people who trhive on any news..

But just what mother load are you talking about exactly?


on Jun 17th, 2009, 3:08pm, Virgil wrote:
Please, again note the Dates 8-31-08 where there is an invitation to the internalastronaut project by Rred the person on the registry..of that site.
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so How can we say because they use sacred geometry and symbology and letterin already available makes the primal cause unless they are with the leviathan group or contracted as part of this last phase.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 17th, 2009, 3:53pm

Seems to me the Alabama Drone should be included in the history of the Drones regardless of any individual beliefs
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 17th, 2009, 4:24pm

Hehe, Tomi! You know that I did not label you, neither as a microwave nor as a toaster.

And if you really would feel so, than you easily could wash my head with a private note.

I just followed your hints and found just that. Nothing else. Of course, there were links to that funny guy, who has some skills and is able to copy the letters. That' s all.

He also seems to like the 40's and the style. Nice! I like the look, too. Maybe we could work together one day.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 17th, 2009, 4:26pm

on Jun 17th, 2009, 3:53pm, Gojira wrote:
Seems to me the Alabama Drone should be included in the history of the Drones regardless of any individual beliefs


LMH included it. This should be more than enough attention.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 17th, 2009, 4:32pm

on Jun 17th, 2009, 3:53pm, Gojira wrote:
Seems to me the Alabama Drone should be included in the history of the Drones regardless of any individual beliefs


.Thats just your opinion
we stick with the facts , and that page up there is a historical fact and unequivocal.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 17th, 2009, 4:36pm

on Jun 17th, 2009, 4:26pm, SiddReader wrote:
LMH included it. This should be more than enough attention.

Thats right, they added more drones after that, the DRT have them..LMH even took a kite, as a drone, threw in a cropcircle..despite the findings everywhere else..it was a kite. So, it can never be said they didnt have their day in the sun, whether kite, scan, or anecdotal witnesses, suppllied by Whiley to LMH. All backdated or improvised..Its on the record several places.
So what is the new motherload Tomi, bought by SPF33.?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 17th, 2009, 4:40pm

on Jun 17th, 2009, 3:53pm, Gojira wrote:
Seems to me the Alabama Drone should be included in the history of the Drones regardless of any individual beliefs


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I suppose it was posted on May 23, 2007 right in the middle of the Drone reports but without wanting to offend if I only have LMH’s word for that then it’s not enough to warrant inclusion, mainly as it wasn’t pursued or promoted and was remarkably different to the others, sort of prototype looking…..

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BUT if you adhere to my earlier theory of all of the Drones being designed prior to release and if this Drone was related to the earlier Drones then it makes sense that the hoaxers would backdate the alleged sighting otherwise it would conflict with establishing their own timeline, perhaps if it is related then it’s for as simple a reason as the hoaxers didn’t want to waste a render? Also, the back-story was very poor what with the “Utility vans” stalking/staking him out, but if related and if there is more than one hoaxer involved then I would hazard a guess that Mr. Smith is a.k.a. Chad.

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So I guess that makes Raj and the others the alter-egos of the other person/s involved, according to your ‘opinion’ would that be the father or the son?

In fact why not embrace them all? You may as well add the following to your timeline as well:

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Cheers.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 17th, 2009, 5:31pm

Exactly my point. IMO BB Drone & LAP start of any Hollywood involvement.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 17th, 2009, 5:50pm

As an extensiof that what you say is that Hollywood created the BB,( Steph and TY) and LAP or merely borrowed after that point.?, and that the prior ones Chad and Raj, was a different independent group like that , for example only , the consortium of visual and audio experimental artists led by Virgil Rred Crow, and or your father and son team.


@Dr.Dil Thank you for that Alabama drone analysis..I had missed that one totally..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 17th, 2009, 6:15pm

on Jun 17th, 2009, 4:24pm, SiddReader wrote:
Hehe, Tomi! You know that I did not label you, neither as a microwave nor as a toaster.



Well .. since I'm obviously not a microwave or a toaster... I think you are missing the joint .. wink
tongue You didn't mean to say something but I thought maybe we should nip it right @ the bud ...

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by blackwater on Jun 17th, 2009, 6:23pm

I recognized that font on the Internal Astronaut site right away, but it wasn't from the Isaac LAP documents. It's the font that DRT member Cage posted last year on OMF and Ovnis-USA.

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As far as I know there are only 2 re-creations of the Caret font floating around on the interwebs, one named isaac.ttf made by Cage, and caret.ttf made by yodir. yodir's font is much closer to the original font in the LAP documents, while Cage's is much more stylized, thinner, and uses ovals for the dashes.

I don't see how this is the mother load at all. tomi do you have any idea how many artists and websites have used the isaac/drone art? Heck, even I used some of it last year for a background image on a temporary portfolio site I was working on. I'm sure if you stumbled across that page it might look like I had created it as well. Truth is I just needed a quick background image and never got around to finishing the site.




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 17th, 2009, 6:23pm

on Jun 17th, 2009, 6:15pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Well .. since I'm obviously not a microwave or a toaster... I think you are missing the joint .. wink
tongue You didn't mean to say something but I thought maybe we should nip it right @ the bud ...


Please Stop getting off track..didnt you read Docs post? take it to PM.
You avoid relevant question yet eager to engage like this..What is your rationale for calling this motherload . Exactly what do you think it proves?when these people seem to appear late in the game in 2008.
Thank you

@blackwater thank you..I just saw that..good example..

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by blackwater on Jun 17th, 2009, 6:35pm

on Jun 17th, 2009, 3:53pm, Gojira wrote:
Seems to me the Alabama Drone should be included in the history of the Drones regardless of any individual beliefs


hahahahaha
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man...




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 17th, 2009, 7:18pm

The Mother Of All Loads is just another attempt to distract readers, and to re-establish Three Dollar Bill as something other than a shill for the hoaxers. How many more iterations of this baloney will we have to endure?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 17th, 2009, 8:49pm

As long as this is linked to drones it will take away from the beautiful art..It is beautiful, the retro, and then something more which goes more to psycho evocative art. Transhumanist art as these people are doing..Like this Paul Laffoley. The shapes of nodes and lines was meant, imo, as an artistic expression, some might just say techno art..but in terms of perspective of Laffolley..to associate to evoke provoke imagery at deepest and highest level.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&channelid=78054290 this and his other video quite good.. But shows these are very done ideas..

When I first started on this I saw a lttle of that in the inside imagey..an art device for discovery..

Nothing to do with ETs..but very much for ourselves.
In that sense you get out of it what you see..
now..
All I say..is if want to see this artists other work succeed..the art of these people, then dont link it up with the drones..
Once recognized in the stream of consciousness as a lie, very little can be done. Its beyond..Beyond nurturing and attention..afterthought..and redemption.
Simply repeating same arguments without answering the questions of the first motherload leaves one with just dead weight.
That no one wants.



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 18th, 2009, 04:09am

Reading everyone's ideas here helps. It always helps, but right now it helps a great deal.

I've got to put more time into making sense out of that site and its associated sites and the interviews. Taking into consideration what everyone has said.

I'm still overwhelmed with the amount of material in the sites and I really cant come to a conclusion yet in my own mind. The reason why I said mother lode is just because there is so much, on first look, Caret like material in there ... Like I said, I need to put a lot more time in looking this over carefullly before getting to any more speculations.

edit to add: Amazingly the email I sent to them has been answered with the invitation to continue correspondence. Because of that I will not post the message here I was sent. I will continue communications with him about this and then share the info I've received, but right now he is saying he knows what is behind this drone business. He could be talking out of his hat or else he could be connected in some way.

The date August 31, 08, it is a year after the drone saga.... gotta think long and hard about this one...

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 18th, 2009, 06:26am

on Jun 18th, 2009, 04:09am, tomi01uk wrote:
Reading everyone's ideas here helps. It always helps, but right now it helps a great deal.

I've got to put more time into making sense out of that site and its associated sites and the interviews. Taking into consideration what everyone has said.

I'm still overwhelmed with the amount of material in the sites and I really cant come to a conclusion yet in my own mind. The reason why I said mother lode is just because there is so much, on first look, Caret like material in there ... Like I said, I need to put a lot more time in looking this over carefullly before getting to any more speculations.

Yes, there seems a lot of material but it looks, to me anyway, that's it not really "a lot" of LAP and drones. Don't get swayed by the inclusion of some of the LAP fonts on many pages. Intent may be eye candy techno art as a lot of other images they are using.

I can't see the connection beyond the artist(s) borrowing some pieces. The tie-in with this whole affair does not hold together for me. The way they advertised and tried to get the word out about themselves (cards, flyers(?), word of mouth?) does not seem to fit in with what the true motive is. undecided Look how long it took for their site to be found and brought up for discussion.
If they did do it, it looks another failed effort.

I see it just more proof that there are imaginative people out there that can create things that make people go "whoa"! cheesy
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 18th, 2009, 07:31am

on Jun 18th, 2009, 04:09am, tomi01uk wrote:
edit to add: Amazingly the email I sent to them has been answered with the invitation to continue correspondence. Because of that I will not post the message here I was sent. I will continue communications with him about this and then share the info I've received, but right now he is saying he knows what is behind this drone business. He could be talking out of his hat or else he could be connected in some way.

The date August 31, 08, it is a year after the drone saga.... gotta think long and hard about this one...


You are aware, that rred participated in the discussions at OMF, are'nt you?
So it is no wonder, that they use one of the fonts, which where "backengineered" there.

I remember him as a very serious guy, who thought about things, before he commented on them.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 18th, 2009, 08:07am

I findi it increduous that all this art has been out there for eons and people are shocked when then they are exposed to it ..I guess that would by that logic expose every artist in that genre as a hoaxter, that happened to use the retro art, including steampunk people and others...
like having ones mom pass away, and everytime we see someone that has her feature, or a bit of her mannerisms. we yell mom. As deep as the feeling may be we are not justified in doing that, but should be just thankful something someone is there to remind us of her..
I say welcome to the human experience, even though we think personally, there is no one like mom or her cooking, and should never think that others merely stole or plagiarized her recipe if you see someone else cook the same.





Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 18th, 2009, 08:59am

What a feeble attempt at stirring interest in a dead hoax. Each of these "exciting revelations" makes it more obvious that the DRT (members, outcasts, "non" members, and so on) have a vested interest in keeping this sad little episode alive.

Ah well, as usual, the DRT tells us more with their BS than anything else.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 18th, 2009, 09:22am

It would seem that there is a need for some to believe and for others a need for attention. And these examples are just the tip of the iceberg. Makes for an assured lemming following, and rightly so if you want to sell a book, or an artifact, some type of UFO gadget, viral marketing etc. I still have copies of my book to sell!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 18th, 2009, 09:32am

It's also just about the only way they have of shifting attention away from Lev & Associates, and the work Sysco has been doing. Sysco's stuff is all about connections, of course, and not "Hey look! Drone symbols!"

Gort, that is the coolest avatar.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 18th, 2009, 10:50am

It was a gift.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 18th, 2009, 11:09am

Ahh Lev yees Double, as was mentioned earlier the original Church of satan , was actually more conventional in the atheistic tradition, recognizing only man himself as both satan and the Christ, semantics for his ability to choose between the two, and good being basically relative to the choosers., the one that came after was ctuall more like the christions and held that these intelligent entities existed outside them, not in them like some character trait does.

The new age or neo age, as it has evolved to incorporate aspects of every religion, ironically holds that the power is non intelligent, but only exists in some collective consciousness, higher consciousness which we can tap into by ritual practice. exercise, meditation, restricted diets, and of course, sigilistically by mind or artice, intent or desire..,
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This is Virgils or VCI (Virgil Crow Industries) work or astronauts..using them interchangeably as one..he has many irons in the fire..
Is he an immersive artis, well he certainly reaches out to pull you in.

Back on New age, they are incorporating ETs as higher versions , or lower versions, of themselves.. A conenient substitution for old demons and angels.eventually losing itself into a mishmash of possibilities. Nothing is impossible. because we are flawed only because we don't know the right chant, potion, symbol b

I cant say for sure RRed is Lev and or that Crow fellow. whose name was on the registry Astronaut...because that one seems to have traveled all those circles, new age, subgenius,, or that he is Isaac..
only that he is one of many that have used that art..and incorporated

I found a problem with the ifo he gave that the org was at 1313 mockingbird lane in Clearwater..Yes therewas a mockingbird lane in a small almost closed are..but not the number, off by thousands, in fact.

Also the zipcode was for Tampa florida, not clearwater..

The number for contact was taken off the site after I posted about it. o a generic 800/0r 888 number..Meaning they read our work..but was able to ascertain another thing

The number was traced to a mobile with the owner in NY
and I wont give the name , as I paid money for it, out but it was not Virgil Rred Crow walker, . As mobile it means they took that number on the new website with them so its not a reassigned number.

I just have to brush up my spanish..even if they change it now..I have their names..It could be their agents for all I know..But they seemed to have moved even from there to another, a different family is listed at that adress..But the phone owner is still the same.
I am sure they had a reason for doing all this that way.
Does it make them Hoaxters? no..Maybe they don't want to be harassed because they are using once controversial work.
Do they want us to think?
I think so or get lost.

But the symbology or purposes i its use is not unique to VCI or Lev or Mask

One need only look at Ovnis-USA and ici maintenat and its enterprises..and some of its members, who have followed in same tradition..and Didier or SPF or any of themmwould be glad to take Tomi by the hand and explain if they think one can handle the truth..the meaning of all this, why even..we are all here...But I believe she and they know all ready what the gift or secret recipe is .smiley
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If I just see this..itt means nothing just windmill though I note the recurring theme of telepone poles in the pic below
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as here in wall painting..but its a universal symbol found even in fonts, crosses, and Letter T
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However here Virgil loves pizza, but a very special kind..symbolic of universal feeding and energy transferrence read his comment below it..
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which us old timers all remember was a chronic message of our Lev..note the alien hat,,that symbols is not new this work was all done 2001-2004 by the way

then we go back to his dossier or profile
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we see he is a vegan like Lev. he likes old movies ED wood..just like Mask, who kept bringing him up, and pointed to youtube which also had a leveiathan reference in the comentary.
Loves Green UNT red.
he is a father and has a son.

Most not Vegans here..(I am but in name only)But we like ed wood too and many of us are fathers and have sons.
So we can't say yet these three all same, but all three, including DRT have no problem using deception and or distortion as a means to an end.
One might say they were all cut from the same cloth.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 18th, 2009, 1:17pm

Now with this new revelation, does the Hydra spout a new head or is it just the same old hoax with a bit of life left in it! grin
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Post by Virgil on Jun 18th, 2009, 1:26pm

I actually like this ones head of hydra honesty here as to his beliefs..
To Jay Brooks:

My Opinion:

1) Gods, Goddesses, Devils and Demons are all humankind’s imaginative expression of things unknowable.

2) Religion is a set of guidelines to follow in order to grasp dynamics that cant be fully understood. Religion is earth bound not divine. Spiritual awareness is not always the goal of Religion, control usually is.

3) I love Jesus, I love Buddha, I love Muhammad and yes I even love Jay Brooks, for each is a manifestation of the source and center of all things.

Thank you for your comments.


You must Add LMH and Whitley as well as them warners and fox , like the many eyes of the snakes on medusas head, anywhich one of you looked could turn you to stone..all want your attention..all are on the same head..even though each think different..

we are the Pizza and they like Pizza too
I just want to know why Lev delivered pizza at the Terminator Trailer on TV..I didnt know he did takeouts
cheesy



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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 18th, 2009, 1:30pm

on Jun 18th, 2009, 1:17pm, Masker33 wrote:
Now with this new revelation, does the Hydra spout a new head or is it just the same old hoax with a bit of life left in it! grin

If you mean of the ‘Lernaean’ variety then somewhat coincidentally considering your ‘opinion’ Heracles (who killed the abomination) called on his nephew for backup and who ultimately provided the solution to completing his second labour.

Which is similar to what I believe members are attempting to be accomplish on these threads, (i.e. using fire to scorch the neck-stumps after decapitation and thus preventing renewed growth kiss).

(Also -and again coincidentally- the Hydra allegedly had *9* heads.....)

Cheers. wink

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 18th, 2009, 1:40pm

on Jun 18th, 2009, 1:30pm, DrDil wrote:
If you mean of the ‘Lernaean’ variety then somewhat coincidentally considering your ‘opinion’ Heracles (who killed the abomination) called on his nephew for backup and who ultimately provided the solution to completing his second labour.

Which is similar to what I believe members are attempting to be accomplish on these threads, (i.e. using fire to scorch the neck-stumps after decapitation and thus preventing renewed growth kiss).

(Also -and again coincidentally- the Hydra allegedly had *9* heads.....)

Cheers. wink


laugh

That was cool.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 18th, 2009, 2:00pm

Nor was this beast easy prey, for one of the nine heads was immortal and therefore indestructible.
Let's not forget that part.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 18th, 2009, 2:17pm

on Jun 18th, 2009, 2:00pm, Masker33 wrote:
Nor was this beast easy prey, for one of the nine heads was immortal and therefore indestructible.
Let's not forget that part.

Immortal’? Yes, but the legend has it that Heracles simply buried it under a rock so ‘indestructible’? Well, again yes, but more telling is was it ever of any future relevance or importance?

Unfortunately not…..

[/useless_metaphors] grin

Cheers. smiley

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 18th, 2009, 2:30pm

We have not lived through all the future so maybe yet it has a part to play. Even under an indestructible rock. grin
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Post by Virgil on Jun 18th, 2009, 4:10pm

Yes it was all mythology, I havent seen any hydras around Cape Cod lately either.

well everyone has their own ideas..what's immortal or not..another Crow classic..that went along with his statement..on religions
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oh masker you mean like Manhattan..nahhh..

I like the childrens ryhms better ...Humpty Dumpty..
all the kings horses and and all the Kings men..couldn't put humpty together again..


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 18th, 2009, 4:17pm

Most history is a form of mythology. Roswell has taken on a myth status and the Drones seem to be in that same process even if only as a hoax (IMO). Manhattan is not on an indestructible rock.
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Post by Virgil on Jun 18th, 2009, 4:28pm

We all know whats behind this miracle ..I remeber the early years when Hersheys experimented with chocolate soap..had to give it all away..one would think otherwise..
What I see is an object fluffed withh pre existing symbology that did not lead to the art above but vice versa..and archetype that will always be there..by itself it doesnt do anything..like a satellite pic..no life of its own. One thing I note about all these groups they hate evolution of anything
So Back to Lev..how did his work make it to Warners Drawing rooms..do you think it might be osmosis?

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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 18th, 2009, 4:36pm

on Jun 18th, 2009, 4:17pm, Masker33 wrote:
Most history is a form of mythology. Roswell has taken on a myth status and the Drones seem to be in that same process even if only as a hoax (IMO).

To how many people in regards to the drones, a few dozen? huh

I do agree with one of your earlier statements how this could just be a small hoax gone out of control.

I'm sure more thought has gone into trying to solve it than the hoaxsters ever put into it or imagined. The problem I've always had with viral gone bad is the profit and gain if it succeeded. Guess it would come down to one's definition of real monetary gain if it were intended for that. Also, what could have grown out of it? undecided

Secrets are easier to keep the less involved. grin

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 18th, 2009, 4:59pm

Katt, I agree..especially if you have 9 girls behind it..Jk..But Virals are just different methods for selling..profit, education, charity..different things..ideas concepts in intresting and novel ways..If imapct is good our minds become the walking billboards for it...if you have a consortium of artists, and movie makers, web masters and sites..you have an infrastructure that just about anything can be injected..and is..good and bad all the time..
Now my question was how did levs stuff get on on a wall of Abrahams?Isaacs trailer , then after shooting episode, next day Levs blog comes down.
Using the old Chad craft was one thing..but Only Lev had that schematic as on that wal,l on his blog..

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 18th, 2009, 5:00pm

When this thing has aged long enough, someone is bound to bring it back if only to try and make money from it. Hoax or no hoax if someone somewhere thinks they can make money from it at some point they will try. It really can not be killed completely. Just being a part of the UFO world gives it an unpredictable life span. This Drone episode was a small fire made impossibly big by so many trying to put out the fire and only spreading it. IMO.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 18th, 2009, 5:02pm

See, why can't anyone answer that question?
any ideas Masker?
as to the other..
Isn't that what you wanted? cheesy
We really aim to please..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 18th, 2009, 5:20pm

on Jun 18th, 2009, 5:00pm, Masker33 wrote:
When this thing has aged long enough, someone is bound to bring it back if only to try and make money from it. Hoax or no hoax if someone somewhere thinks they can make money from it at some point they will try. It really can not be killed completely. Just being a part of the UFO world gives it an unpredictable life span. This Drone episode was a small fire made impossibly big by so many trying to put out the fire and only spreading it. IMO.


Haha! No mask, here you are totally wrong! The hoax only worked in a few forums. Only OMF and DRT really ever expected something. Nobody else ever did!
I still would be sitting there in my sweet little native forum if anybody had the same fun in the drones as I had. But nobody was interested. And we have our pope of our national ufology in our forum. Even he did not dare to touch this.

We are only here, because we made friends and got used to each other. Of course, we would like to know, what is behind this hoax. But we are not here to make it a myth. If you really think, we make it a myth, than you are giving us more credit, than we earn.

It only will be a myth in the mind of the few. It will be a cheap chance to use other's ideas in the creative branches, which are not as creative as some think they are - already happened. No fame for the creator as long as he just watches, what happens.

This alone shows us, that the creator must be a very weak person, someone like Goethe's apprentice of the magician. Can't get rid of those ghosts I called...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 18th, 2009, 5:29pm

Quote:
Now my question was how did levs stuff get on on a wall of Abrahams?Isaacs trailer , then after shooting episode, next day Levs blog comes down.
Using the old Chad craft was one thing..but Only Lev had that schematic as on that wal,l on his blog..


I have never seen this image or info displayed, so can you direct me to it.
Thanks
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by blackwater on Jun 18th, 2009, 6:02pm

I think he's talking about this image - http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/sys_config/ScreenHunter_04May010154.jpg

Quincy posted it awhile back, right after you showed up actually - http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=drone&num=1232735854&start=723


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 18th, 2009, 9:49pm

Sure got quiet all of a sudden. grin
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Post by Marvin on Jun 19th, 2009, 09:00am

on Jun 18th, 2009, 9:49pm, Katterfelto wrote:
Sure got quiet all of a sudden. grin



Hey Kat,

When people tell it like it is... they do not have to memorize all their stories for the retelling.

Errors like publishing the different versions of the LAP on the net... and forgetting it was done, then using it in a TV show... was bound to happen.

But you know the old saying… its your story, you can tell how you want. wink

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 19th, 2009, 11:48am

The only thing I can say..is for Josh and Natalie to watch the company they keep..The UFO commmunity is indeed a volatile and unpredictable lot. You wade in it at own risk..
Even the Garden of Eden has snakes..
For the viral psychologists attempting to memmetically engineer a group(s) of people like this, some even to paleontologicaly source the behavior of man since the big bang, like Howard Bloom, listed at Internal Astronaut..will require lots more time living among real people, in real situations..they will need better controls, and a looooooong time to study behaviour before they can make an intelligent guess to be put to use, let alone , as some desire..steer the course of DNA. That's a lot of reincarnations to accomplish based on time and way I think nature operates. Kurzweil would like to rush it too I am sure..to validate his theory if he could. But any decent Italian cook, will tell you the essence of a good spaghetti sauce is time. Some people base their research from the study of myths..I would say pay attention to the quotations and saying of the generations before them. experience distilled into a few words..we call common sense..

Speaking of Psychologists, I heard a joke the other day..
The difference you know between Psychologists and Psychiatrists is this..

A Psychiatrist sees a client that says he hates his mother and asks him ..why do you say that?

A Psychologist will say to him..
"thank you for sharing that.

grin


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jun 19th, 2009, 12:33pm

on Jun 19th, 2009, 11:48am, Sigmund wrote:
I heard a joke the other day..
The difference you know between Psychologists and Psychiatrists is this..

A Psychiatrist sees a client that says he hates his mother and asks him ..why do you say that?

A Psychologist will say to him..
"thank you for sharing that.

grin





It was sooooo cold here yesterday...


How cold was it...


I saw a Lawyer with his hands in his own pockets. wink


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 20th, 2009, 2:33pm

Brrrrrr..you know that devils are comfortable in super coldness..as one of the descriptions for hades as well.
Say speaking of Lawyers and psychologists I ran across these articles..
One is a very encouraging one on the Paleopsychology project..under Howard Bloom and a cast of hundreds..
http://www.paleopsych.org/
http://www.demo.com/conferences/demo2008fall/speakers.html
Yes..I think these people named on IA make a very interesting study..even if IA was only name dropping on the site. We come across a lot of that too..name droppers like that Reed or Leed fellow..phd from school of hard knocks too. smiley so take evrything with a grain of salt.


and then..this other distasteful one on the thriving and lucrative business of
patent trolling..
The people behind Rutledges moon landing seemed to be behind http://www.Spaceheroes.org aka http://www.SiliconLaude.com Jerry Harthxxxx..based in Texas..
their are entire chains of bait and trap outfits..that seem to operate this way., only they have chains of lawyers..to puring over documents ..so they can say gotcha when enough seem to bite.

Its part of the fad of creating revenue streams which in the end become a tax on what we buy and sell or even learn..

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:crFnoWmfCD4J:ftp://opinions.ca5.uscourts.gov/unpub/02/02-51216.0.wpd.pdf+jerry+harthxxxx&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us



Just some leisure reading while we get warm.
Its a crazy world..Marvin..

I believe I reported already that 1313 mockingbird lane..did not exist..the number lead to 31 Rockland St..Haverstraw, NY..have a straw..get it?
hahaha
One of our colleagues informed me also..that 1313 Mockingbird lane belongs to the Munsters TV program.
Yes this is our bridge to the future..filled with ETs, Lawyers, and shrinks.
Just what TV generation wants and needs.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 20th, 2009, 7:14pm

on Jun 20th, 2009, 2:33pm, DopeFish wrote:
Brrrrrr..you know that devils are comfortable in super coldness..as one of the descriptions for hades as well.
Say speaking of Lawyers and psychologists I ran across these articles..
One is a very encouraging one on the Paleopsychology project..under Howard Bloom and a cast of hundreds..
http://www.paleopsych.org/
http://www.demo.com/conferences/demo2008fall/speakers.html
Yes..I think these people named on IA make a very interesting study..even if IA was only name dropping on the site.


I don't think they are name dropping. So far, I'm giving these people the credit they deserve.

Esalen Institute?

We could start here..

The Esalen Institute and the Akashic Field Theory..

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&newwindow=1&q=Esalen+institute+Akashic+field&meta=

And........

Integral Movement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_movement

edit to add:
And I would expect nothing less than honesty from people in search of "universal truths".




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 20th, 2009, 7:20pm

on Jun 20th, 2009, 7:14pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I don't think they are name dropping. So far, I'm giving these people the credit they deserve.

Me thinks you give too much credit at times. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 03:20am

I need an intermission. rolleyes



This song comes to mind ....


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 21st, 2009, 06:30am

on Jun 21st, 2009, 03:20am, tomi01uk wrote:
I need an intermission. rolleyes

on Jun 18th, 2009, 04:09am, tomi01uk wrote:
edit to add: Amazingly the email I sent to them has been answered with the invitation to continue correspondence. Because of that I will not post the message here I was sent. I will continue communications with him about this and then share the info I've received, but right now he is saying he knows what is behind this drone business. He could be talking out of his hat or else he could be connected in some way.

Break over, ready to share yet?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 07:29am

on Jun 21st, 2009, 06:30am, DrDil wrote:
Break over, ready to share yet?


The song Lola, that's the best way I can describe it at this time...

My brain needs to decompress, rest a bit. Mind blowing stuff that Esalen Institute and what it implies..

Google Esalen Institute and UFO. Then watch out for the rabbit hole.

They will not explain in any rational sense how. Only that they did do it. I will continue to engage with them and learn all I can.

Do I believe that they are responsible for the drone saga? They say they are many scientists and academics, etc. going back to 1969. I don't know what to believe anymore. Need a break in tangible reality for a while.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 21st, 2009, 07:50am

on Jun 21st, 2009, 07:29am, tomi01uk wrote:
They will not explain in any rational sense how. Only that they did do it.

Does that really surprise you? rolleyes Did what? Vague answers is most likely what you will get.
They are scientists and academics, etc. going back to 1969? What's that mean or prove? undecided
It's seems more a change of cast, staging, production, smoke and mirrors trying to prop up this drone play or use it to support some other beliefs.
Block out the noise. cheesy


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 21st, 2009, 08:52am

If tomi claims there is something there.....it must be so......remember SHE IS NOT EASILY FOOLED!!!

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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 21st, 2009, 10:32am

on Jun 21st, 2009, 08:52am, TheShadow wrote:
If tomi claims there is something there.....it must be so......remember SHE IS NOT EASILY FOOLED!!!

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Good one, Shads! $3Bill thinks "she" can distract us with the efforts of known liars and frauds, even though it didn't work the first hundred times. One thing is clearly emerging from this mess, for me: Mental illness is definitely involved, whether the "believers" really do believe the drones are real, or they are just the cynical manipulators they appear to be. Very sad cases, either way. We can only hope they find a way to get a life.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 11:19am

on Jun 21st, 2009, 10:32am, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Good one, Shads! $3Bill thinks "she" can distract us with the efforts of known liars and frauds, even though it didn't work the first hundred times. One thing is clearly emerging from this mess, for me: Mental illness is definitely involved, whether the "believers" really do believe the drones are real, or they are just the cynical manipulators they appear to be. Very sad cases, either way. We can only hope they find a way to get a life.


Hey! You get a life.. I'm the one doing all this work looking up connections to this thing we are all interested in and all you do is complain and tell tall tales about me no less! Here's the deal ok? There is nothing phony about me and what I've said here at any time.

I'm going through this like everyone else on both sides of the fence. We are all looking at the who, what and why of this thing. If you think I'm a believer in every aspect of this drone case, I'm not. And you know that.. or you should! sad And if you think that I've got a hidden agenda or have been part and parcel of creating this, then send DrDil here to London or I will video skype with him. He I trust here. He will verify when I contacted the PI's because I have records. They were innocents too.. We are all just trying to figure this out.

You are so blatently wrong in your assumptions and accusations that it really turns my stomach. Test it, send the Doc over to verify your mistaken conclusions so you can get off my back with this nonsense.. OK?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 21st, 2009, 11:26am

on Jun 21st, 2009, 11:19am, tomi01uk wrote:
He will verify when I contacted the PI's because I have records. They were innocents too.. We are all just trying to figure this out.


What records?? You have already admitted you take no notes or anything that can verify SQUAT! We all know you are part and parcel with Nemo and his DRT cult of followers. We all know you come here as an agent of the DRT and push whatever agenda they set for you.....and we all know you continue to push this hoax for some reason!

What we dont know is weather or not you are really in the UK......i can just see the skypechat now.....tomi with a picture of BigBen in the background as proof of her location
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 11:45am

on Jun 21st, 2009, 11:26am, TheShadow wrote:
What records?? You have already admitted you take no notes or anything that can verify SQUAT! We all know you are part and parcel with Nemo and his DRT cult of followers. We all know you come here as an agent of the DRT and push whatever agenda they set for you.....and we all know you continue to push this hoax for some reason!

What we dont know is weather or not you are really in the UK......i can just see the skypechat now.....tomi with a picture of BigBen in the background as proof of her location


I would respect your opinions more about this case and your insights if anything you said above was in the slightest degree correct. I'm sure DrDil is bright enough to figure out where I'm located and what UK telephone records look like.. Calling a mass of PI's to speak to them.. trying to find the one who take the case.. Are you sure you are ok huh Seems like a no-brainer to me smiley rolleyes
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 21st, 2009, 11:49am

on Jun 21st, 2009, 11:45am, tomi01uk wrote:
....... what UK telephone records look like.. Calling a mass of PI's to speak to them.. trying to find the one who take the case..


Why not scan those records and post them?? You can remove any info that would give away your precise location and phone number.

I personally dont doubt you are in the UK (although i know some do)....but i have no doubt you are an agent of the DRT and their agenda!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 11:54am

on Jun 21st, 2009, 11:49am, TheShadow wrote:
Why not scan those records and post them?? You can remove any info that would give away your precise location and phone number.

I personally dont doubt you are in the UK (although i know some do)....but i have no doubt you are an agent of the DRT and their agenda!


You don't trust DrDil? Who would you trust then? If I redact all private info and for security concerns redact more info than you would be happy to see, it would never be enough! Plus I'm not real pleased to be posting any of my paperwork or utility bills on the internet. I have trust in the confidenciality and integrity of DrDil. Anytime he would like to visit London, he can see for all of you, everything is above board.

With regard to being an "agent" for the DRT.. give me a break.. rolleyes Use your common sense.. who or what would benefit from me being over here... In fact, by looking so deeply into this IA business, seeing these connections, I'm beginning to become a bit more like sys .. Eeek! tongue
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 21st, 2009, 12:12pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 11:54am, tomi01uk wrote:
You don't trust DrDil? Who would you trust then? If I redact all private info and for security concerns redact more info than you would be happy to see, it would never be enough! Plus I'm not real pleased to be posting any of my paperwork or utility bills on the internet. I have trust in the confidenciality and integrity of DrDil. Anytime he would like to visit London, he can see for all of you, everything is above board.

With regard to being an "agent" for the DRT.. give me a break.. rolleyes Use your common sense.. who or what would benefit from me being over here... In fact, by looking so deeply into this IA business, seeing these connections, I'm beginning to become a bit more like sys .. Eeek! tongue

I can personally verify that every piece of relevant information I’ve personally seen would indeed indicate that Tomi is located in the UK when, in fact I’m sure she won’t mind me mentioning that her ISP is even exclusively UK based.

As for a double-agent (so to speak) I’ve personally voiced my opinion about this publicly, or more precisely that she seems to spend an inordinate amount of time logged into the DRT without ever posting and this was after an absence of several months, I suggested that this seemed as if she had access to the “back-room” discussion/s but she assured me this wasn’t the case.

Cheers.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 21st, 2009, 12:18pm

I am afraid the ARC is a bit less regimented than the DRT. We do not "send" anyone to do anything, DrDil least of all, I suspect!

Your behavior is well documented here and elsewhere. I'm not going to waste more time arguing about blatant B.S.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 1:12pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 12:12pm, DrDil wrote:
I can personally verify that every piece of relevant information I’ve personally seen would indeed indicate that Tomi is located in the UK when, in fact I’m sure she won’t mind me mentioning that her ISP is even exclusively UK based.

As for a double-agent (so to speak) I’ve personally voiced my opinion about this publicly, or more precisely that she seems to spend an inordinate amount of time logged into the DRT without ever posting and this was after an absence of several months, I suggested that this seemed as if she had access to the “back-room” discussion/s but she assured me this wasn’t the case.

Cheers.


It is very simple the answer. I'm sloppy about the pages I leave up on my computer when I go to bed finally at night.. after viewing the 4 places I visit regularily. Casebook, DRT, OM and Ovnis. Sometimes ATS. I've looked like I've been on this site for hours too and all through the night because I sometimes leave pages open. That is all there is to it. Thank you DrDil for being so open and kind here.

And for the record, any time you are coming to London DrDil, you can look me up. It would be a pleasure to meet you in person and if you wish I will be happy to show you my notes when I made all those calls to various pi's as well as the telephone records of that day.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 21st, 2009, 1:16pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 1:12pm, tomi01uk wrote:
It is very simple the answer. I'm sloppy about the pages I leave up on my computer when I go to bed finally at night.. after hashing thorogh the 4 places I visit regularily. Casebook, DRT, OM and Ovnis. Sometimes ATS. I've looked like I've been on this site for hours too and all through the night because I sometimes leave pages open. That is all there is to it. Thank you DrDil for being so open and kind here.


You dont post there why log in? Unless you are chatting up those you claim have abandoned you?? Face it tomi.......we all know you and the DRT are not on the outs as you claim.......you have access and you are their puppet!!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 21st, 2009, 1:19pm

A while back, I went to the DRT World Headquarters and asked about that "back room forum." I did not get a warm response. As I recall, it went something like this:

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How many times I gotta tell youse guys there ain't no back room here? You ain't welcome here, so git goin' before I git a couple of the cops from the...uh police station to come out here and escort youse off the premises!

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 1:25pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 1:16pm, TheShadow wrote:
You dont post there why log in? Unless you are chatting up those you claim have abandoned you?? Face it tomi.......we all know you and the DRT are not on the outs as you claim.......you have access and you are their puppet!!


I have basic member status there. I do not have admin status. I can see the same postings any basic member can see, and the cookies log me in so I can use the most recent posts facility. Just like everyone else, I monitor the posts from all the 4 forums to keep up on what news may transpire. But I have not posted in DRT forum since the day my admin status was taken away.
You can check to verify that by looking yourself. It has been over a year now. Why was my admin status taken awayhuh Why am I no longer part of the core of that group? Because I chose to be free to communicate across the forums, knowing my own ability for confidenciality and discretion, even if nobody else did. Also I should add a few of them probably think I'm a royal PITA..
The problem was two fold. First, I appreciated insightful input from everyone. I could not, at least for my own set of values, not appreciate anyone out there who's insights helped. And second and most important. If my own husband can't stop me from posting in Ufo forums, there is no way anyone or group in a ufo forum is going to stop me either.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 21st, 2009, 1:30pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 1:25pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Why was my admin status taken awayhuh Why am I no longer part of the core of that group?


Because it was believed you could pretend to separate from the group thus giving the impression you were a "free agent" Unfortunately Sys and the ARC are far more intelligent than the DRT (as evidenced by the fact that we all knew this was a hoax more than 2 years ago) and the ruse did not work!!

Nice try tho!!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 1:40pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 1:30pm, TheShadow wrote:
Because it was believed you could pretend to separate from the group thus giving the impression you were a "free agent" Unfortunately Sys and the ARC are far more intelligent than the DRT (as evidenced by the fact that we all knew this was a hoax more than 2 years ago) and the ruse did not work!!

Nice try tho!!


Well then you are certainly out of that loop where I think certain others can assure you what I say is true. Even within your own circle..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 21st, 2009, 1:48pm

It was one of the better acts, but in that league, that ain't sayin' much.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 21st, 2009, 2:56pm

C'mmon, guys!

I am 99% sure that Tomi is based in UK. And an agent of the DRT? Are we getting as paranoid as the others now?

Even if she was an "agent"... What is that? A spy for the dreamers?

No danger at all, no need to be hateful or aggressiv.

But - again - I don't see it this way. I just see Tomi, a British/American woman, who wants to be part of it. And I also would talk to all those other members of the DRT - which she says, she isn't anymore - because things have changed and many of them now accept, that this - at least - could be a hoax. I welcome them all here for further disussion - but this is not my house.

Nevertheless, no need to mistrust every word Tomi writes.

I don't see any harm in her words.

Cheers!

Sidd
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 3:24pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 2:56pm, SiddReader wrote:
C'mmon, guys!

I am 99% sure that Tomi is based in UK. And an agent of the DRT? Are we getting as paranoid as the others now?

Even if she was an "agent"... What is that? A spy for the dreamers?

No danger at all, no need to be hateful or aggressiv.

But - again - I don't see it this way. I just see Tomi, a British/American woman, who wants to be part of it. And I also would talk to all those other members of the DRT - which she says, she isn't anymore - because things have changed and many of them now accept, that this - at least - could be a hoax. I welcome them all here for further disussion - but this is not my house.

Nevertheless, no need to mistrust every word Tomi writes.

I don't see any harm in her words.

Cheers!

Sidd


Thank you Sidd, Takes time to build trust and I will not disappoint any side of this drone issue with regard to discretion, integrity and trust to the best of my ability, which so far has had to be ample wink smiley.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 21st, 2009, 4:33pm

Never mind.

I know my friends. And if they are not my friends, I soon will realize it.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 21st, 2009, 4:49pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 4:33pm, SiddReader wrote:
Never mind.

I know my friends. And if they are not my friends, I soon will realize it.



Sure we are friends......but that does not mean because you trust tomis word i must. Tomi has proven time and again where she stands in regards to the drones! She has pushed an agenda of misdirection and deceit from the beginning. She claims she logs into the DRT forum to keep track of new posts.....lets be realistic there is at best one post a day there......not hard to keep track of!! She logs in there to check in with her masters....and see which puppet strings they wish to pull!

If she wishes to convince us otherwise why does she continue to play the same old games??
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 21st, 2009, 4:54pm

That indeed is the absolute truth you will not disappoint any side, particulaqrly the one you began and are still with.
Though Sidd, being far more civilized than me gives you the benefit of the doubt..I do not..I don't expect the others to follow me in my weird theories that were borne out by the facts and in your face.
If the tiger changes its stripes..its because the fairytalae requires it. If my friends that I do know well

turn against me..perhaps that too.

As for AI that was in works for a while, and the adopted work appears per virgil crow to have evolved,,Whther
We never said AW or Fox created the hoax. And Now we are introduced thanx to SPf33, a non belever promulgater of this nonsense.or game..along with you tomi..its a game none the less..
Now you mentioned that AI was not name dropping with Alex gray or Laffoyte or howard bloom.
What proof do you have he was not.

Shock artists or graffitti artist are no different than the ones who wrote on Roman walls during biblical times, romns go home. Nice meme to keep alive, or Gringos go home, derived from the green uniforms the cavalry wore in that time of the Alamo and panch Villa.
This one here Virgil and company has been at this for a while.
For sure the false info on his registry should be a caveat to be taken seriously..prepare for the bigger lies.

The kids time program on the site..was imo , after reference to abductions and nine year olds..rather sick..
not funny at all..This is a very sick group I think..irrespective of the cute retro art..
whats his message there for you tomi..
As for DRT, I see no new members..its the same old crowd..
They should be happy we the same old crowd is here to greet them..and even better informed than before..











Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 21st, 2009, 4:57pm

Tomi is no agent IMO.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:06pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 4:57pm, Masker33 wrote:
Tomi is no agent IMO.


Thanks .. you would know, you've seen it up close and from all sides. wink

What do you think about this IA business?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:07pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 4:49pm, TheShadow wrote:
If she wishes to convince us otherwise why does she continue to play the same old games??


You know, Shads, I was the one who said we should talk straight, and I meant it.

I think we are far away from the drones right now. Only talking about old things.

Nothing to help us solve this problem at all. Tomi is just a fellow of the rings, as we are. Attacking her is good for nothing.

If we only are here to make us feel good. Okay: I am ready to caress everone's belly. And I also make "Gooroogooroo!" if you like it.

But htis does not bring us any step further to the who and why. I am ready to believe, that Tomi wants to join us in this question.

If you don't believe her, I will correspond with her in privacy.

No problem.

I like her company. - Makes me a traitor, I guess.

Okay, I am still joking. But all I said is true.

Make of it, what you want.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:10pm

the issue is not tomi the issue is AI and what it portends to be..
The record already speaks of tomi..our experience already talks to tomi..extensively..Leviathan has a plaque to prove it..
AI will be looked irrespective of whatever Tomi says..
whther she is agent or not is totally irrelevant if not moot at this point. Free agtent or total gullibility speaks only to the weight her statements should be given..to be fair..nothing at this point..
AI and the people behind it are the targets of interest..
Whther she brung it as a genuine item of interest..or other motive..to distract from leviathan and Warners..as an example..which was pretty clear to us..
and most relevant.





Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:12pm

AI = Johnny come lately.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:16pm

I agree, but there are character in there..people quite capable of pulling strings..no not Virgil , the Burning man fan, either..
That I am personally interested in now..but don't tell me..Tell Tomi..Its the mother load..of what she wont say.

I am going to enjoy rest of fathers day..Happy fathers..to those few who remember what fatherhood once meant..and good luck to the rest..
let nature take its course..it will tell them what must be done..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:19pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:10pm, DopeFish wrote:
the issue is not tomi the issue is AI and what it portends to be..
Thew record already speaks of tomi..our experience already talks to tomi..
AI will be looked irrespective of whatever Tomi says..
whther she is agent or not is totally irrelevant if not moot at this point.
AI and the people behind it are the tragets of interest..
Whther she brung it as a genuine item of interest..or other motive..to distract from leviathan and Warners..as an example..which was pretty clear to us..
and most relevant.






It's IA not AI.. I've been doing the same transposing too.. tongue

Sys.. have you studied anything about Paul Laffoley who you mentioned earlier?

Paul is affiliated with this group: The Boston Visionary Cell: http://www.cybercom.net/~gsullivan/bvc/

I know I'm beginning to sound like you.. rolleyes tongue embarassed
but these ppl are all connected to the Esalen Institute.

Bigger picture? http://tiny.cc/9Wj4N

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:21pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:12pm, Masker33 wrote:
AI = Johnny come lately.


Its IA not AI... anyway .. what do you make of it?
any ideas?

http://tiny.cc/9Wj4N
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Post by Virgil on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:29pm

ahh..yes bhriefly enough to see the artworkn and his movies which I posted to earlier..
Have you you seen Howard bloom links and his connection..I found those connections as well as corporate history and experimental projects quite interesting.. well as global theorists like Kurzweill, as as
someone like that with support from academia..which he has..extensive..connection to artists..extensive..
and musicians..film makers ..as well..he would have the drawing power necessary for a grand experiment..with any group he wanted to
so I am still studying..and contacting by the way..

Caret may be hoax..but if it has a vindicating factor it would not be leviathan nor Virgil..perhaps someone like that..
if not its just a cheap hoax..someone like subgenius mentality who thinks his hoax is a valid artform and lev holding the bag..
but its on the table..so must be looked at..false lead, of which we had many, purposely put in the way.. or not.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:31pm

Michael,

please delete my text "Psychology of a hoax". It would be the third time, it is deleted. First time, I myself want it.

Thanks!

Sidd aka Horst
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:35pm

Many have said this whole drama involves a cult that might have come late to the Drone saga. Maybe so or is this the cargo cult forming to continue the program
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:37pm

on Jun 18th, 2009, 5:29pm, Masker33 wrote:
I have never seen this image or info displayed, so can you direct me to it.
Thanks

Masker, what's your opinion after the images were posted after your request? I don't know how you could have missed it.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:40pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:21pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Its IA not AI... anyway .. what do you make of it?
any ideas?

http://tiny.cc/9Wj4N


Masker, I am boiling over with anticipation of your answer here. If only Lev could provide that insight we so yearn for with this new aspect. I believe he, as a fellow artist, has probably had a natural instinct towards this anyways.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:44pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:35pm, Masker33 wrote:
Many have said this whole drama involves a cult that might have come late to the Drone saga. Maybe so or is this the cargo cult forming to continue the program

That is an extremely insightful analysis. Seriously.. concise and to the point. Now what do we do about it?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:47pm

Masker does not have any answers at all.

And probably Lev doesn't either.
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Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:49pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:47pm, SiddReader wrote:
Masker does not have any answers at all.

And probably Lev doesn't either.


Masker seems as sharp as Lev.. less verbose though wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:56pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:49pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Masker seems as sharp as Lev.. less verbose though wink

Mask seemed to get a frog in the throat immediately after the pictures were provided per request. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:59pm

The Drone saga evolves and makes its way into a more difficult and less approachable setting. In some ways insurance IMO
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Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:03pm

I just had a terrifying thought ..
pure speculation here, so forgive me, but what if.. rolleyes
what if each one of us with our different opinions ended up all being correct..
part of it is acutally real.. maybe the photos of the AntiG device, etc..
part of it is hoax
part of it is mil (cia, etc) studying us
part of it is meme
part of it is disclosure by proxy??
let's see.... who am I leaving out here.. tongue
ahh Mufon grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:07pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:59pm, Masker33 wrote:
The Drone saga evolves and makes its way into a more difficult and less approachable setting. In some ways insurance IMO

Nice book of quotes you use there mask. Can't you answer a question without a question or proverb? rolleyes
It's like talking to a piece of software.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:11pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:59pm, Masker33 wrote:
The Drone saga evolves and makes its way into a more difficult and less approachable setting. In some ways insurance IMO


Thank you for sharing that insight. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:12pm

As to the pictures, they shocked me that so much was put in them. What is so great about them.
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Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:16pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:12pm, Masker33 wrote:
As to the pictures, they shocked me that so much was put in them. What is so great about them.

What do you mean, so much was put into them?

The concept behind the art.. the art as concept ?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:18pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:12pm, Masker33 wrote:
As to the pictures, they shocked me that so much was put in them. What is so great about them.

Thanks for proving my point.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:22pm

I am not referring to the IA, but to the Lev picture several posts back. The IA work is nice and well done.
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Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:28pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:22pm, Masker33 wrote:
I am not referring to the IA, but to the Lev picture several posts back. The IA work is nice and well done.


Yes, I'm sure he will appreciate reading that grin

But what about this: http://tiny.cc/9Wj4N

Do you see what may be relevent here to the drone saga?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:28pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:03pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I just had a terrifying thought ..
pure speculation here, so forgive me, but what if.. rolleyes
what if each one of us with our different opinions ended up all being correct..
part of it is acutally real.. maybe the photos of the AntiG device, etc..
part of it is hoax
part of it is mil (cia, etc) studying us
part of it is meme
part of it is disclosure by proxy??
let's see.... who am I leaving out here.. tongue
ahh Mufon grin



The only thing real was photoshop
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:36pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:28pm, Gort wrote:
The only thing real was photoshop


Photoshop can't create that AntiG device,
granted something did.. but it doesn't seem to be software.. maybe software, but it's a software nobody has gotten to use yet.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:43pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:28pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Yes, I'm sure he will appreciate reading that grin

But what about this: http://tiny.cc/9Wj4N

Do you see what may be relevent here to the drone saga?

Any bets that the answer is a vague comment and question. Reminds me of one of those magic 8 or 9 ball you ask a question of and then turn over to see the answer.
People need to think for themselves and not look for answers from unknowns on a chat board.
Those Andy Warhol Obama pics are OK I guess.

Even if that anti grav device is not CGI (which it most likely is) it could just as well be a model. It don't prove it's real. This has been beaten to death and rehash that goes nowhere. tongue

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:47pm

Quote:
Photoshop can't create that AntiG device,
granted something did.. but it doesn't seem to be software.. maybe software, but it's a software nobody has gotten to use yet.


Photoshop is the most beaten to death program. Maybe used to composite but not to model (if CGI Model). You and I will always wonder about BB Drone. I do not follow these pics of OBAMA?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:48pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 5:59pm, Masker33 wrote:
The Drone saga evolves and makes its way into a more difficult and less approachable setting. In some ways insurance IMO


Just thinking... by this do you mean we are primed and ready for the next big thing?
What would that be?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:51pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:47pm, Masker33 wrote:
Photoshop is the most beaten to death program. Maybe used to composite but not to model (if CGI Model). You and I will always wonder about BB Drone. I do not follow these pics of OBAMA?


http://ja-jp.facebook.com/pages/Shepard-Fairey-Obey-Giant/8429307435?v=info&viewas=0

Yes, I follow you, they do seem to betray a certain personal slant rather than an agenda..
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Post by Virgil on Jun 21st, 2009, 7:01pm

part of it is acutally real.. maybe the photos of the AntiG device, etc..
claimed to be AG, solid bject, maybe, in CGI , and the etceteras was proven false. No etceteras, in fact.
part of it is hoax
part of it is mil (cia, etc) studying us
you left out Corporate and Educational groups sector, art groups, etc.. Military already has data on howgroups behave..no need to creat a hoax., plenty come during spring and summer.
part of it is meme or a hoax to continue or add on to past memes
part of it is disclosure by proxy??or disclosure groups creating a hoax to justify their existence and would operate by proxy.

let's see.... who am I leaving out here..
ahh Mufon ,
You left out, Tapten, LMH and DRT Types..
Some not so honest preachers do it all the time
which still makes the whole thing a hoax.,

and except Warners, who also purchased Phillip K dicks works too, as well JJ abramas..Lovecrafts materials.. for future projects..and Alienware, and the PIs, no one else benefitted..
It certainly did not create a meme





Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 21st, 2009, 7:10pm

Could have been corel draw, autocad, or paint doesn't matter, could even have been cnn http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/21/technology/3d_printing.biz2/index.htm.

I still have that artifact Dr Reed gave me, any takers?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by blackwater on Jun 21st, 2009, 7:19pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 6:28pm, tomi01uk wrote:
But what about this: http://tiny.cc/9Wj4N

Do you see what may be relevent here to the drone saga?


I'm familiar with Shepard Fairey,
so I gotta ask,
Tomi, how is he relevant to the drones?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 21st, 2009, 7:30pm

Even cheaper

http://gizmodo.com/5286457/makerbot-cupcake-cnc-delivers-diy-3d-printing-for-just-750-
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 21st, 2009, 7:31pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 7:19pm, blackwater wrote:
I'm familiar with Shepard Fairey,
so I gotta ask,
Tomi, how is he relevant to the drones?


It is relevant only as a distraction from Sys's investigation!!!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 21st, 2009, 8:45pm

Shads Its ours investigation not mine..its .us. all of ..it affects us all my friends both believers and not..
We can tear this item apart for anything of value, even if only a small fingerprint of the same perps in the beginning.
If the registry was false..imaginge..they had it set up a while ago..anticipating simple move of checking..the registry databases..I found if I can locate it again..where virgil was associated with 40 domain names ..so imagine..how easy to both lead and throw us off..
but what we have in hand..they cannot get around..
a combo of dumb mistake..by lev at abrahams trailer..and not so dumbluck on our part.
in the end..the AW site using enter the realm game logo..too
says this..and very very true..
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we can easily verify the connections to laffoyette and Bloom..by simply asking..if they disavow..then this is BS and name dropping..and misdirection.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 21st, 2009, 9:11pm

Congratulations, DRT shills! You have dumbed the discussion down to what may be a record low. I think it's time I got some fresh air.

What a load of energy sucks...
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Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 21st, 2009, 10:04pm

It's pretty easy to see where this is headed. I'm afraid I don't have the stomach for yet another round of foolishness just now. Don't have the time, either, really. So I'll leave y'all for a while, with a famous Native American legend:

The Boy and the Snake

Often times young boys were sent from the village in search of a vision. This was the case of one particular young native boy.

He started to go up to the top of a mountain in search of his vision. And as he climbed up the mountain, the air got cooler and cooler. And he came upon a snake laying in the path. The snake was shivering, and said to the boy. "Please help me. I can't move, I am so cold that I can no longer make it any further down the mountain."

The boy said to the snake "No way! You're a snake, if I pick you up, you'll bite me!" The snake replied. "No, no I won't, I promise I won't bite you if you'll only pick me up and help get me down the mountain."

So the young boy picked up the snake, put him in his shirt, and continued climbing to the top of the mountain in search of his vision. When he got back down to the bottom of the mountain, he reached in, took out the snake, and the snake bit the young boy.

The boy replied to the snake "Hey! You bit me, you said that if I'd help you out, that you wouldn't bite me!"

The snake replied "But you knew what I was when you picked me up!"


http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/TheLittleBoyAndTheRattlesnake-Cherokee.html
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 21st, 2009, 10:09pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 8:45pm, DopeFish wrote:
Its ours investigation not mine..


Perhaps many are involved in the discussion.....but you my friend have done the bulk of the heavy lifting of investigation. I myself am not an investigator, and could never have uncovered 1/10th of what you have brought to light as fact.

I am simply an interested bystander that interjects a bit of common sense and levity when those that believe nonsense and try to muddy the waters of UFOlogy rise up to make fools of those that insist on real evidence!

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 21st, 2009, 10:15pm

Double! how was dads day!
My son called me today and never mentioned the tab I wrung up raising him for 21 years! hahahahaha..just kidding..i had a quiet, sunny, clear blue skies one.
smiley hope yours and the others went well..

@Shads..you were thereto point out Lev before anyone.
You were there..when we need to expose Numbers..
We are blessed that we stood as long as we did against an entire website..and took much abuse from the same people that want fair audience..
Wwe have always been fair..just intolerant..of deceipt..for deceipts sake..to push more deceipt..under matching covers..
I salute you all..

now we know how art like film can be used to deceive..under the guise of truth..


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 21st, 2009, 10:50pm

First Thanks to Sid who remembered Virgil at ATS..I think if we look at time perioids..and the what each of these virgils only two who posted ..we can see a similarity..

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Shall we call an end to sub rosa?
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Registered: 14-10-2007


Well if you could not view the thumbnail. Here it is:

Notice the similarities. Can anyone update me on what happened regarding this topic? I started looking back some pages but am just lost. Was this proven to be a hoax by someone? Like I said, the technology is there and can very much be functional. I'm not saying so much the Sigils but they are the same concept. I am talking more about the anti-gravity system.

Virgil as Virgils quest
Posted by VirgilsQuest, on April 4, 2008
Well, I don't know what is going on in the last 50 pages but I just had some information to put forward.

First, look at what "Isaac" writes about the "language."

The language is actually a "functional blueprint". The forms of the shapes, symbols and arrangements thereof is itself functional. What makes it all especially difficult to grasp is that every element of each "diagram" is dependant on and related to every other element, which means no single detail can be created, removed or modified independently. Humans like written language because each element of the language can be understood on its own, and from this, complex expressions can be built. However, their "language" is entirely context-sensitive, which means that a given symbol could mean as little as a 1-bit flag in one context, or, quite literally, contain the entire human genome or a galaxy star map in another.

Imagine I ask you to incrementally add random words to a list such that no two words use any of the same letters, and you must perform this exercise entirely in your head, so you can't rely on a computer or even a pen and paper. If the first in the list was, say, "fox", the second item excludes all words with the letters F, O and X. If the next word you choose is "tree", then the third word in the list can't have the letters F, O, X, T, R, or E in it.


[color=Yellow]Now I'd like you to look up something called Sigils.


edit..hmmmmmmmmm err okay..

en.wikipedia.org...

There are a lot more sources on Sigils on the net. More that go in depth with how to create and use Sigils. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not a firm believer in magic being a mystical force from Heaven or Hell. I am footed in the fact that what is known to us as "magic" was passed to us to advance the human race. In the drone context, it is used in conjunction with technology. Plain and simple. Sigils are the same thing that Isaac writes of. A symbol has a full meaning or function. It is thought of or put in a specific environment to perform the function. Think on it.

Secondly, I want you to look at the inventory photo. Memorize what the top three rings look like.

edit..you mean there's more?

isaaccaret.fortunecity.com...
edit..I never would have guessed it..Now, the anti-gravity technology currently being utitilized by Lockheed Martin and other private government contractors, uses the Lorentz O for propulsion. Take a look at the second video thumbnail down. Notice any similarities between the inventory objects and the object being shown in the thumbnail?

video.google.com...

The inventory objects look very similar to the object in the thumbnail on the Tesla video. Tesla came up with an invention that mimiced the pulsating energy of the sun. It was a ring. At each of the four corners were plates that would pulse with electricity and if one wanted to, an object could be placed in the center, such as a fan blade, and it would spin as the pulse went in a circular motion around the four outside electrical plates. Now, if you know about ion wind or lifters, this should interest you about the creation of plasma and anti-gravity. The rings can work off of one another generating plasma. If you don't know about plasma, lifters, or ion wind for anti-gravity, please look it up.

I won't say what I know or do not know for sure but I will tell you that the photos of the inventory can very much be functional in the right context.


Shall we call an end to sub rosa?

hello my friends.
i call you my friends because I have known you for some time.
i have read the coming clean on extraterrestrials.
i have read the area 51 "employee" chatting.
i have seen the moon mining pictures.
i have been enthralled by serpo.

i can no longer dally. you are important. i am not.

the tide is in your favor, not mine.

now i step forward, someone in the "know". the risk, not being what it once was.
i volunteer nothing and will respond to what i can.
the pillars tremble to the call of the end of sub rosa.


we can go to two routes here ,this

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The rose was the emblem of the god Horus in ancient Egypt. Later the Greeks and Romans regarded this as god of silence.
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he rose's connotation for secrecy also dates back to Greek mythology. Aphrodite gave a rose to her son Eros, the god of love; he, in turn, gave it to Harpocrates, the god of silence, to ensure that his mother's indiscretions (or those of the gods in general, in other accounts) were kept under wraps. Paintings of roses on the ceilings of Roman banquet rooms were also a reminder that things said under the influence of wine (sub vino) should also remain sub rosa. [1] In the Middle Ages a rose suspended from the ceiling of a council chamber similarly pledged all present (those under the rose) to secrecy.[1]

In Christian symbology the phrase "sub rosa" has a special place in confessions. Pictures of five-petaled roses were often carved on confessionals, indicating that the conversations will maintain secret.

More recently, "sub rosa" activities have become a byword for covert operations, usually by security services. Originating primarily in the Canadian and American special forces, this meaning has been gradually spreading to other countries and in particular the United Kingdom. Currently covert operations by the Special Boat Service uses the term in the vernacular.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_rosa"

But I think it was more of this actuallyhttp://subrosa.dailygrail.com/aboutus.html
http://www.artifice-design.co.uk/portfolio.html
http://www.artifice-design.co.uk/portfolio_misc.html

and a likely this too http://howtorockstar.blogspot.com/2005_05_01_archive.html
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and not this guy....from 2003..this one from alabama calling himself virgil crow caine..but who knows..he has so many sites..
http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/FIST2003-1/1churchly_news/X0017_KevinBrowdeninJail_t.html
http://www.myspace.com/bowdenkevin

I remember he used rockland st New york..thats why it caught my eye..that blog and his connections to France
caught my eye as well..

Perhaps he just wants to use this as Immersive art..he can..Use a hoax..He can..and as Sid once said very easy.

That does not dispell the Leviathan connection to Warners Zodiac people using without an iota of credit..and AWs incorporation on a very very tight time schedule....and unless they were doing it as part of something greater..
and is why even 45 letters..said the number of people involved..from different fields , was considerable...
which is why I speculate as to the artists laffoyette and Bloom.

but the time for anyone or all of them to keep us dangling as Mask likes to say..is over..
If it was a study..I can say..we skewed their results..because now they will have no audience..not even me..

the Jig is up..

We learned a lot more about them than they us and their methods..very effective I might add..and rewarding to me personally to see it work on them.
If they want another unsuccessful hoax next time
and immediate war or international incident send us more Numbers.
If they want hope to just run the clock..by all means tomi.
If they want us to convert to Buddahism..Don't send Nemo.
If you want participatory and immersive and living art..Go to the beach, South of France perhaps.
If you want Go to heaven, Don't send Lev

PS That IA membger doogie11 and the Bob Xu like Stu at http://www.Duhism.com was a nice touch. The Korean Raelien Babes in Bikinis was AoK!
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_gathering_of_Ra%C3%ABlians_in_South_Korea.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGosYIlXdmU
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 22nd, 2009, 10:34am

on Jun 21st, 2009, 10:09pm, TheShadow wrote:
Perhaps many are involved in the discussion.....but you my friend have done the bulk of the heavy lifting of investigation. I myself am not an investigator, and could never have uncovered 1/10th of what you have brought to light as fact.

I am simply an interested bystander that interjects a bit of common sense and levity when those that believe nonsense and try to muddy the waters of UFOlogy rise up to make fools of those that insist on real evidence!


What he said. Well put, Shads. I have never described or thought of myself as an investigator. In the past year or so, I have dabbled in some digging for facts relevant to the work here, only to find that my discoveries were posted by Sysco, likely as not, many months previous. I'm happy to pull my shift on the maintenance of the BS filter. It's a lot of work keeping that thing from getting clogged up.

Father's Day was fine, Sysco. The older I get, the more humbled I am by the work and the sacrifices my parents made, in my best interest. I can't thank them enough.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 22nd, 2009, 12:20pm

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Amen
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jun 22nd, 2009, 1:28pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 8:45pm, Sys_Config wrote:
Shads Its ours investigation not mine..its .us. all of ..it affects us all my friends both believers and not..





I vote for:


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grin grin grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by VirgilCrow on Jun 22nd, 2009, 2:07pm

I went by the name Internal Astronaut for a bit, I then quit almost all art on the web. I was confronted by an organization that wanted me to build them a graphic interface for a site that they called INTERNALASTRONAUT.COM. They paid me, I built and that was it. I dont follow what they do, I think they are not evil or in anyway trying to create discomfort to you all, but come on! BTW, because I have had alien encounters that makes me sickhuh (AS has been posted in this thread?) Whatever. Leave me out of your twisted psychodrama, thank you very much
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by VirgilCrow on Jun 22nd, 2009, 2:08pm

Ok, this is Virgil T. Crow from the infamous VCI Films (now defunct) what in God's name are you people talking about here? I am not part of any grand conspiracy about this that or the other. Why dont you people try going to the source instead of flying off half cocked spouting outrageous claims about me without talking to with me about them???
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by VirgilCrow on Jun 22nd, 2009, 2:14pm

on Jun 21st, 2009, 4:54pm, Sys_Config wrote:
For sure the false info on his registry should be a caveat to be taken seriously..prepare for the bigger lies.

The kids time program on the site..was imo , after reference to abductions and nine year olds..rather sick..
not funny at all..This is a very sick group I think..irrespective of the cute retro art..



WTF??? Flase registry??? With people like you who are running around hiring PI's to find out where I am??? You are dangerous folks, I am an artist, not SATAN or JESUS, just a guy trying to say something, but nothing about drones!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by VirgilCrow on Jun 22nd, 2009, 2:20pm

And I see you think Shep from Obey is in league with Satan as well? How about Ryden??? He could also be an evil operative, better call the PI's! This is typical of folks that have too much time on the old hands. Find a hobby that doesnt revolve around talkin dirt about complete strangers, unless you are starting a tabloid!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by VirgilCrow on Jun 22nd, 2009, 2:41pm

I built 20 different interfaces for the group, along with a bunch of individual elements that could be tied in thru flash. I also created stand alone sub-programs that can run off the main interfaces. I finished the work in 2006. They have all the edit files and the flash dudes they have are able to manipulate and change around stuff as needed. They have only used 3 of the 20 interfaces so far I think. I made enough cash from the deal to not have to work for a couple of years, all this drone stuff came after me. I'm sure this info is not good enough for you but I am telling you, if you or any other wack-job conspiracy nuts come knocking on my door, they will wish they didn't
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 22nd, 2009, 2:50pm

Hello Virgil and welcome to the forum,

If you read the thread you will notice that there is only one or two members who have posted anything regarding your site/s or work and all of the posts you’ve referenced so far is from the one member and all the information is, I believe, freely available on the internet and amongst the first that Google returns.

Incidentally one of our members has also posted that she’s in contact with someone representing the IA website who is claiming prior knowledge/ownership of the Drone Hoax and this is why some members looked into it.

But either way the posts you mention are one persons opinion and should in no way be taken as a representation of the forum in general, but back to the IA website, to be honest the main link I personally seen was the letters/symbols used throughout the site which while being incredibly similar I also believe appeared after the ones used in the CARET documentation first appeared, also this particular aspect (the IA website) has only been ‘discussed’ for the last six or seven days.

Cheers.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by VirgilCrow on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:03pm

ok, however, I dont have any knowledge of caret or whatever, Im just tellin whomever thinks that I am part of this, they are off the flippin rocker! The reason I stopped online art was I was getting too many crazed fans that were trying to read more into my work than was there. I think perhaps you folks are doing the same with this drone business, what makes it any different than the 10000 other sightings over the years?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:14pm

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:03pm, VirgilCrow wrote:
ok, however, I dont have any knowledge of caret or whatever, Im just tellin whomever thinks that I am part of this, they are off the flippin rocker! The reason I stopped online art was I was getting too many crazed fans that were trying to read more into my work than was there. I think perhaps you folks are doing the same with this drone business, what makes it any different than the 10000 other sightings over the years?

That’s the million dollar question!! grin

Personally speaking it was just the complete package that first attracted me, from the aesthetics of the alleged craft to the intricacies of the CARET language/symbols. It’s different from earlier sightings in a multitude of ways, unfortunately and in my opinion I don’t think it’s massively different from the MO of earlier hoaxers and especially those who’ve embraced the internet and PC’s in general, hence the small site I dedicated to the entire debacle (here) and which also may explain why the Drones were so different from the majority of their predecessors.

By the way some of your earlier artwork which was posted was excellent, very compelling images.

Cheers.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:29pm

Quote:
I think perhaps you folks are doing the same with this drone business, what makes it any different than the 10000 other sightings over the years?


NOTHING.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:44pm

Sys, you learn well my friend, very well...

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on Jun 22nd, 2009, 2:41pm, VirgilCrow wrote:
I'm sure this info is not good enough for you but I am telling you, if you or any other wack-job conspiracy nuts come knocking on my door, they will wish they didn't


That is a threat...

So what are you going to do about it Virgil? Are you going to call your mommy?

The info was good actually, and that information wouldn't have ever arrived if it wasn't for Sys.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:45pm

Welcome to the Board Virgil.
Any info I posted was what was on the net at that IA.
I said the info was false because it is false, whether deliberately done or not.
Virgil / Rred Crow / Walker
1313 mockingbird lane
Clearwater, FL 33675
US
Registrar: DOTREGISTRAR
Domain Name: INTERNALASTRONAUT.COM
Created on: 03-JAN-07
Expires on: 03-JAN-12
Last Updated on: 29-DEC-08

Administrative Contact:
Magic, Internet support@webclickhosting.com
1251 Arizona Bend
Bogart, GA 30622
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18772018859

Technical Contact:
Magic, Internet support@webclickhosting.com
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Santa Rosa, CA 95407

I personally dont think you are hoaxter, but if info is brung in here to look at, being called motherload, I can't ignore it. And when basic info like that is incorrect..I have to keep looking. Sure interesting work and concepts, and reeferences to you by that blof creating social experiments..people will look and have opinions.

You havent said why its 1313 whatever st, with a zip that points to Tampa, not clearwater. And a phone number posted at beginning that pointed to NY..
This is not I would think normal operating procedure..

I find it odd you cal these people waack jobs, when your work with ET and Spirituality is a prominent theme.
Just who is it supposed to draw? Not wall street bankers I think.
If so many people were chasing you..why does the Forum only have 4 members, which by the way I am listed as phr0zenKrew, but have yet to be approved. I would glady have asked you questions there, if you were registered st there to begin with and the info on the site correct.


The only thing I stated clearly was the leviathan groups link to the TV program.
Your being brung in by others , just a few days ago.. is imo, as a decoy..if anything..to thwart attention..
Thats what we do in forums thrash out the info..
No one accused you of anything..
except having a talent and capability, and with social experimentation, such as the people you linked to, as something that should be looked at., if it were an experiment to even begin with.
Thats you reacting that way..but if you reread..you will see we never said you were THE one..

Great you came in and said you are not the hoaxter..just don't come badgering in here calling people wack jobs for asking reasonable questions, and trying to connect dots and you and or your partners are the one putting the data out there.
We were asked to look..so we looked..if something is off..we keep looking. WE are just sorting out..and looking at the evolution and history..
nothing stalking or wacky about that.
By the way..I called your site at the 1800 number and what a great job you all did even after I found this info..
And I do have a right to an opinion about other aspects of it..

G'day









Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:51pm

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 2:14pm, VirgilCrow wrote:
You are dangerous folks, I am an artist, not SATAN or JESUS, just a guy trying to say something, but nothing about drones!


So what is it you are trying to say??

Whats more dangerous, an artist making angry threats towards "wack-jobs", or a group of people "trying to listen" to what you are trying to say?


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:07pm

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:03pm, VirgilCrow wrote:
what makes it any different than the 10000 other sightings over the years?


Probably there are a lot of things, but just concentrating on InternalAstronaut they are:

- Sebastian Sine participated in the discussions.
- Obviously he and Elijah Tome liked the "alien lettering" so much, that they decided to use them
- As we see, they used your name for the registration with a funny fantasy address
- Now we hear, they pay a lot of money, so that you can rest a few years. They must have rich parents.
- As we read, AI is claiming some knowledge about it.
- You came here.

All very interesting things, more a sideway in this story, I guess, but intriguing.

Better than tv anyway, even better than "The Monsters".
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by VirgilCrow on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:10pm

whatever, spiritual matters, ET experiences and philosophical discussions are not wacky, what is wacky is a group of adults who take the work of an artist and twist it into some kind of preternatural cabal.

I dont have any idea about what forum you are talking about. Again, If you would have read my previous posts you would have seen that I said i created the images and animations, was paid my money and that was it. Pay attention son.

As far as website registries, I am not aware of why the IA folks used the names and addresses that they did. I always used 1313 Mockingbird lane from the Munster's TV show that I used to watch as a kid...DUH!

Put away your Junior Detective Badges and get a real job, maybe one that doesn't entail being rude, obnoxious and totally irrelevant. Or here's an idea, put your heart and soul into your own artwork (if you have the talent, ambition and creative spark) and keep your nose out of other peoples business.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:12pm

Any artists out there, Is this the immersing process we hear about? smiley
So they bought your artwork..give phony address, on the 800 line ask for small donation..odd..That sounds irregular to me. In this day and age...How would they know about your munster address unless you gave it to them..are the munster fans too..? Its your site..your name your work, with Vc on almost every vacuum tube..why hide like that..they are only adms,
The forum link at the site..with sebastion adm. you don't know whats going on at your own site..? but can follow what we say..here..

Say are you the same VC at that myspace kevin Browder/bowder? Just was curious.
Virgil Crow very popular name.
we want to be accurate in whatever we say.



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by VirgilCrow on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:14pm

That last post was directed mainly at: SYS_Config but is relevant to anyone else who is so inclined to be of the same ilk.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by VirgilCrow on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:21pm

[quote author=Sys_Config link=board=drone&num=1245270084&start=134#8 date=1245705132]How would they know about your munster address unless you gave it to them..are the munster fans too..? quote]
huh! How do you know about it? DUH, you found it online! I did do work for them and I also used to own the domain name before they bought it years back. Man, you need to think a little outside the box of your own ignorance.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:21pm

Virgil, welcome to Droneland. An interesting place for strangers in a strange land.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by VirgilCrow on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:24pm

Well so far, its been a real great place to visit...not. What 800 number are you talking about SYS_Confighuh Are you saying I am asking for donations or IA? WTF are you taling abouthuh
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by VirgilCrow on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:31pm

SYS_config:

here is the deal, I dont like folks who talk smack about things they have absolutely no idea what in the heck they are talking about. You read too much into everything. You remind me of the fans I used to have that forced me to leave the online community in the 1st place. Everything is not a conspiracy, everything doesn't fit together like some huge jigsaw puzzle just because you would like to think that it does. Gee Whizz kid, give it a rest. I am not usually a confrontational person, but someone needs to give you the proverbial bitch-slap of reality!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:33pm

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:10pm, VirgilCrow wrote:
As far as website registries, I am not aware of why the IA folks used the names and addresses that they did. I always used 1313 Mockingbird lane from the Munster's TV show that I used to watch as a kid...DUH!


Too bad, you must have been too talkative, so they took your idea for free!
You could have had some more free years, if you sold it to them.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:33pm

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:10pm, VirgilCrow wrote:
As far as website registries, I am not aware of why the IA folks used the names and addresses that they did. I always used 1313 Mockingbird lane from the Munster's TV show that I used to watch as a kid...DUH!


Well, you should have read the fine print when registering the domain name.

ICANN rules and regulation say that you must have accurate registration information or your domain will be shut down, and you will no longer own the rights to the name.

Here is a neat article about the subject;
False Domain Info May Mean Jail Time
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2004/02/62198

http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/wdrp.htm
Quote:
At least annually, a registrar must present to the registrant the current Whois information, and remind the registrant that provision of false Whois information can be grounds for cancellation of their domain name registration. Registrants must review their Whois data, and make any corrections.



This is cool too;

http://blog.stopbadware.org/2009/01/05/icann-improves-system-for-reporting-false-whois-data

http://wdprs.internic.net/

Really sucks when you threaten the wrong people...

Hows that for a xxxxx-slap of reality?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by VirgilCrow on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:43pm

Threaten??? WTF are you talking about? An online slap of reality is a threat??? And bring it on! First of all, I no longer have a website so I have no liability for anything in regards to registry. You folks are incredible.

I dont have a 800 number, I no the IA folks have a hot line, is that what SYS-Config is yappin about? I have zero access to that information.

I can see that no matter what I say on this or any subject you folks are hardwired to think I am part of the grand conspiracy, ok, well let me know how it works out for you. I am sure I can check back in a few months (or years even) and you people will be still mulling over the same tired old subjects. Have fun...Im out!

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:45pm

Excellent job Virgil with your web work. Have you ever heard of Leviathan and all that stuff. You can see a small portion of it here. They can detect over-the-top.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:48pm

So long and thanks for the fish!

Anyway, if anybody of you wants to retire for a few years, you know, where you can get a good job!

Listen to their interview and hear about their big business from the "group" themselves:

http://eluv.podbean.com/2008/09/04/eluv-live-interview-with-internal-astronaut-creators-sebastian-sine-and-elijah-tome/


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 22nd, 2009, 5:03pm

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 4:45pm, Masker33 wrote:
They can detect over-the-top.


Not in this case, mask. Take a look at it:

Virgil uses the munster's address. Okay.

His employer took over this address. Mhm! Okay.

One of his employers uses part of this name as user at OMF, namely Rred. He?

He uses this name in other contexts, too, showing clearly that he is Sebastian Sine. No!

And the people behind I.A. are not a group, but only two, who are hoping for a lot of input and even are happy, when people call their toll free number and they even can listen to conversations, when callers forget to hang up the phone correctly.

I don't say, they are behind the drones, but they are not too honest, also.

Tomi could add something here, but sadly some off my friends start to twist and shout everytime she appears.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 22nd, 2009, 5:05pm

Will I get approved to join the IA forum?...It means soooo much to me...I know I could have made a contribution to their out of the box content.
And to think I posted that nice blog with the international flavor from 2005..I was helping him.!
I missed another opportunity to rub elbows with the avante garde of Ghost Art..
Wack jobs need not apply, or anyone just doesnt see it..but its about transformation for everyone..not a select few..Thas not fair..
I'm hurt. Hurt I tell you.
Maybe I imagined all of this..like whitley.
Maybe this was what the motherload was all about..nothing..but we can see about those other nice people listed , to see if they even heard of VC
And poor Lev..if this was the decoy and an attempt to marginalize me personally..it ain't workin.

His answers to simple question was basically, yeah so what if its fake..he's been doing it since childhood..If I understand correctly..and the heck with what internet protoco and regs are....bring it on..

hardly what I would expect from an internet savy person.







Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 22nd, 2009, 5:12pm

Geez.... this was better than any episode of the Munsters. Like when they speed up the vehicles for comic effect. I'm exhausted from reading this stuff.
It was good to see Mask chime in about NOTHING too.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 22nd, 2009, 5:25pm

This has been enlightening..and yet even more puzzling..
maybe they will correct the information now..
He really thinks we are out to get HIM..the height of arrogance..he left in such a stu..
Sidd, OMG they forgot to hang up Phone? Oh what I would give to have heard that!..
Thank you DR Dil for setting the record straight, and Sidd for adding even more lucidity..and Nev.. for the citations..
and Mask for the nothing..but you understand from that perspective, means there was nothing needed looking into..yet there was enough..to trigger interest. But not enough imo, for him to over react this way..for simple google results, we ourselves are trying to look into..
what happened to the out of box thing and flow of reactions and experiment..


I think he didn't like my opinion on the kids show..but it was personal opinion..thats all..









Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 22nd, 2009, 6:12pm

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 5:12pm, Katterfelto wrote:
Geez.... this was better than any episode of the Munsters.


Yes, but some people see the show with different eyes...

On 12/18/2008 I posted a song and lyrics by the band Tool;
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=drone&num=1223123924&action=display&start=281

Then Sys posts this;
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Then Tomi posts links to the website 11-11.tv

Really odd things happening lately...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 22nd, 2009, 6:20pm

Wow Nev..synchronicity..I wish I had my favorite martians antennae to pick up this stuff regularly!
They have been talking about 1111 a lot lately too with all the 2012 stuff..I wonder why he picked 1939-2012..that was year of US worlds fair..Lev was always wrting about 2023 though based on their work and images we have.
That !1-11.tv was in place 2004 to..lots of activity for those years it seems..
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All credit due Leviathan Group for their continued excellence..when they reveal themselves I will gladly remove or move to the art gallery for posterity. cool
If VC wants me to remove his art display posted, no infrigement intended..I will .
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 22nd, 2009, 6:49pm

Funny, that you mention this...

He immedietely started to talk of PIs chasing him. I wonder, where he got that idea from.

Nothing about copyrights at all...


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 22nd, 2009, 6:53pm

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 6:20pm, Sys_Config wrote:
Wow Nev..synchronicity..I wish I had my favorite martians antennae to pick up this stuff regularly!


LOL, synchronicity is all in the mind. Jesus said, seak and you shall find.

I often say, it's exactly like what happens when you buy a vehicle. Once you start driving it around, you notice every single person who has the same vehicle, and you see it everywhere. Your mind subconsciously finds it automaticaly. So, you have to be carefull which vehicle you buy - figure of speech.

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 6:20pm, Sys_Config wrote:
They have been talking about 1111 a lot lately too with all the 2012 stuff..


Well yesterday was the summer solstice... lots of people gathered at Stonehenge for that.

If you go to the solstice wiki link, you can see that on Dec. 21, 2012 at 11:11, will be a winter solstice. It's like a wakeup call for those who understand.

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 6:20pm, Sys_Config wrote:
I wonder why he picked 1939-2012..that was year of US worlds fair...


Hmm, good question.

...1939, well there has been a lot of talk about Einstien lately...

Quote:
October 11, 1939– Manhattan Project: U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt is presented a letter signed by Albert Einstein, urging the United States to rapidly develop the atomic bomb.


Atomic bomb.... funny how the atomic symbol was used by the I.A. artists, and Isaac's LAP...

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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 22nd, 2009, 7:16pm

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Now this is very interesting and very different in many ways. Marvelous.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 22nd, 2009, 7:22pm


@Sidd That is interesting I missed that....and that very pretty lady on your link..eluv with nice design..he did that podcast with and IA subject matter is from Tampa FL too,
I get a lot of hits from there too..originally from AU. into esoteric music healing and stuff..voice overs I tried looking for a writeup on her and just this..
http://www.eluvmusic.com/eluv.html
the magazine they did writeup on her referred to..vybe is dead now too. I

Vybemuzik.com
originally was a uk mag in 1997. but dead a while since 2004 I think according to wayback..the later links all dead no material.

@nev.. Yeah thats the one I had up on egrd too..the atomic symbole..he did a quick flash called suzi or something..about hiroshima.
I am curious if Lafoyettes has a more direct bearing on this..
The grand experemint with bloom hypothesis out the window after that outburst, simply because participants/players in a study like that would never react in such a manner..I expected calmer more rational..not remarks that insult..continue to foster doubt...
so it narrows just studying/researching these guys like lev and IA , will hopefully clear up..all these sudden misunderstandings and "confusion"
cool
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 22nd, 2009, 7:23pm

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 6:53pm, neveleeleven wrote:
Atomic bomb.... funny how the atomic symbol was used by the I.A. artists, and Isaac's LAP...

I don't know. undecided Seems certain artsy types gravitate towards some symbols and images that sort of ring a bell. Hard for me to describe. Kinda like there's a core set of visuals that play on peoples emotions.
Perhaps totally natural and all but it's that's uncanny knack that seperates the greats from the wannabe's.
Maybe fear of PI's goes back to ancient times. Could be this VC guy is a poser too. Who know's anymore. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 22nd, 2009, 7:30pm

old days brainwashing, propaganda..its political pov art..
like Woys 3 legged dog with george bush and chaney....in his pic at myspace..and when he concentrated on that antiwar sentiment..Tomi had joined in agreeing ..and I chimed in wasn't cool. Just reg conversation..but I thought it odd..in that thread..
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=31565271&albumId=85165
IA is like eye candy, but definite emotional..triggers for that in there too.

Remeber the subliminal messages..used in bigbrother..news speak..reminiscentt of that

I think..these deliberate cues like he just gave Sidd and us..with the pis..are a little to convenient..

I still recalll the blizzard warning I got....thats how I am seeing this even more so now.

It always comes back to center.with Lev and Warners..everything else ..feels too tangential..almost ..but not quite..the new ones angry..but say..follow me..

Lets say it was lev.s group..they would be responsible for repairing the damage somehow they did..with thos blog images..
They are duty bound to that..or risk future business loss..
what we are seeing I think is just that..repair and misdirection..same people..again..always there..not new players..





Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 22nd, 2009, 7:35pm

She sure stirred the pot with that one. The motherload, right.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 22nd, 2009, 7:41pm

If you only would be ready to listen. - She said more than you heard, because you did not want to hear.

But this is your decision.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 22nd, 2009, 7:56pm

@mask..I just knew you would like it..cheesy
Famous Israeli General..6 day war..Moshe Dyan did say..
We make peace not by talking to our friends but talking to our enemies..

So I am open to listen..

one more post of same will not hurt, I hope.
We know Lev in it. no doubt...cannot find out who lev really is..with Zoic? independent? are they listed on credits of the movie episode..with real names..there was even a chad and stephen and other names i had not really looked at carefully..
Why not just ask Zoic ..who made worked the props and displays..for that episode..Its not always the same for each episode.



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 22nd, 2009, 10:49pm

Red herring mother lode. That was funny, though. I wonder if Virgil is related to Dr. Erik. Same warm and engaging personality anyway.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:13pm

He reminded of woy a little.... in the short post staccatto style, and use of insulting Duhs..very emotional type..
I was flattered he named Me, post after post, and not the ones who bought what could the trojan horse here..Considering his distaste of the wackos and conspiracy artists, he seemed in his element everywhere else ..I found the persecution complex odd for an artist who has received according to the writeups good reviews. Not one mention anywhere of any problems, or hounding.

If tomi has something to offer the quest..I welcome that but not..the old ying yang.
She can pursue what may be a promising ave..but she can see the deliberate misdirecting already. avenue..while we keep hammering away at Lev..If shes right and we are right..we should theoretically meet somewhere along some the point of the circle..because they may be connected She certainly has good backup with the rest of drt like SPF who gave her the tip.
I provided what I could..as did Sid..
That way..research resources wont be wasted..
And we can stay on track..It would also force the hoaxters If connected..to defend two fronts.
She would know soon enough who over there who is not all they appear to be, if she does not know already.

I just copied the screen credits sans Halcyon logo, and music and sound people..
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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 02:39am

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:29pm, Masker33 wrote:
NOTHING.


You guys want me to say something...OK I will..

Mask, I never laughed so hard as I did with you and this post. Just too funny.
You are really soo....I dunno.... hilarious at times.. as well. Precious.

The other links of "relevence" here show me that woy has a very attractive chin.
I like the monitors and the squirrel too.

The other thoughts that come to mind..... I wish someone had asked Virgil at what stage those design elements similiar to the Caret docs went into design there.. sigh.. The site was designed in 2006?

@ Virgil, Thank you for coming here to give us insight and say your mind. Would you please post a bit more information about the time frame of those "alien symbols" used in their site...

I'm sorry that you felt aggression. Try not to take it personally, only that there are a few fustrated folk here trying to get to the bottom of this drone saga.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 04:28am

@ Masker and @ Virgil
Just want your opinion and insight about Grant Morrison's "The Invisibles"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisibles
and could IA be a derivative work or something related to it.

edit to add: Which is a lengthy comic-book series referring to UFOs, 2012, self- knowledge and so on. It's very good, and it has lots of intelligent stuff in it worth reading - he's a great writer.
(as I was told by someone)

hmmm seems to me he has everything to do with IA:
yep.. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1391124753

Just how big is this movement anyway guys?
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Post by SiddReader on Jun 23rd, 2009, 10:53am

"Heidegger describes Phenomenology as “the process of letting things manifest themselves.” Phenomenology attempts to enable people to see clearly something that is right before their eyes but obscured; things that are so taken for granted that they are muted by abstract observation."

I think, this is, what we lived to see during those two years. And nearly everyone saw the effect on others - not on the own view.

This indeed is a link to Fairey - as there was no real answer to Blackwater's question. Not to the man, but to his philosophy.

There are so many out there in the web now, creating fantastic worlds, harmless games, but also trying to create alternative realities...

Lev was not right, when he declared this as a myth - if we are thinking for all people - but it had a lot of effects. One is the "alien letters" on the IA-site, another one, that we are still here. So it was successful.

It won't be too important for the human mankind and not lead to a new society. I never had heard of Fairey, before he was mentioned here at all - and he IS famous. So this is even more true for Isaac and the drones. (Sorry, Lev, 2012 and all those other years just will come and go.)

But it worked, and thinking about it, it indeed made the world richer.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:37pm

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 7:30pm, Sys_Config wrote:
It always comes back to center.with Lev and Warners..everything else ..feels too tangential..almost ..but not quite..the new ones angry..but say..follow me..
Lets say it was lev.s group..they would be responsible for repairing the damage somehow they did..with thos blog images..
They are duty bound to that..or risk future business loss..

on Jun 22nd, 2009, 7:56pm, Sys_Config wrote:
We know Lev in it. no doubt...cannot find out who lev really is..with Zoic? independent? are they listed on credits of the movie episode..with real names..there was even a chad and stephen and other names i had not really looked at carefully..

Hi Sys, what information exactly are you relying on to say beyond a shadow of a doubt that Lev is involved?

on Apr 30th, 2009, 7:42pm, Quincy wrote:
I remember in your Blog, you posted virtually identical ones.. as compared here..
(Image substituted for link)
yes! you recognize your work in the center!
And the other the impostor version..Josh and Abrahams.

I’m aware of the aesthetic similarities in the above image but there’s nothing resembling an identical match is there? I had a look at them and the following are the closest I could find:

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It’s just I’ve seen a lot of the same stuff as you have but I couldn’t definitively say that Lev was involved with creating the Drones or assisting any of the plagiarists after the fact and was wondering if I’d missed something?

Are you relying solely on the dates that Lev closed his Blog (as it relates to SCC) and the above image as irrefutable proof?

It seems as if your theory progressed from ‘circumstantial evidence’ to ‘beyond reproach’ with no other verification in between, don’t get me wrong I’m not criticising as you evidently have more faith in your convictions as I do in mine, and while I would love to be able to say that the link was 100% beyond reproach I don’t feel that I can and was wondering what convinced you?

And finally does this mean that your theory also hinges entirely on SCC being inextricably linked to the original Drones rather than just plagiarising? Or another way of phrasing it is if SCC is removed from the equation then is the timeline & image posted above the only link with Lev you have?

I’ve personally mentioned before about the similarities between Lev’s creations and the SCC ones, namely the lights & appendages:

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But again, this relies on SCC being involved and exclusively responsible for commissioning the original designs, doesn’t it?

Cheers.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:38pm

Tomi, there is a human based Illumanati...no question. Legend has it that there is a supernatural component. I have no doubt that an invisible college exists also. We sheep really do belong to something else and are guarded and moved from pasture to pasture. The trick is few believe it and it can be played out in all media without any hindrance to the owners of us all.
As Charles Fort said, humans are owned by something.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:47pm

The artists alex grey , whom Paul Diddy, turned me onto, before I saw his name again, was much into using art as a seed to nudge and or transform reality, and or mindsets.
This is nothing new
Laffoyle is more architectural, using art as a means of future planning for living on other wordls, the use of biomimmicry, bio/terraforming as atto speacs of in his work, pre existing universal principles..

IAs putting links to their work does not link them to IA..merely students of that philosophy. Morrisons work the same, and comic books were and still are a popular venue. I found that little devil like symbol on the podium amusing as it did remind me IAs litle devil smiley.
Interestingly there was a smiley with Iss on it in the LAP..in one of the smudgies
They all like that loop..infinity..l Remeber Ben Casey, Dr Zorba..Birth, life death, and infinity..great program

Incedentlly..This is why subrosa mentions hoaxing as an artform.
It does enrich..for some..for others..does nothing..
A student of the philosophy..or interpretation of it does not make the philosophers or school culprits.

Others not interested in the ART..like the skeptic teacher releasing those helium buoyed flares also recognize the importance of lights in the sky..crude symbol..powered by curiosity of the observer..who will say..it nothing, or..its them..The objective there was to belittle the believers..how gullible they can be. had he not confessed..the believers would be quite happy..to have more strange lights to their collection of proof, not to mention "credible witnesses", a science school..teacher
Certainly..reality was transformed..for that Byrnes fellow,
when he swore on a stack of bibles..on TV..that it was a real event.. It accomplished its purpose beyond expectation of the doer.

So much for taking a science teachers word as gospel,
who was sanctined by the authorities..but the fact is the deed worked..


Maybe songs and videos might have been made as part of some independent group inspired by them too. Thats good thing..creativity going..even if shortlived..we all need entertainment and thinking to keep going.
Sometimes we get fired from a dead end job, then get the best job , a dream job, and we can literally thank the person who fired us to begin with. It enriched mine, some great Friends, and touched my family too..But not as to ET or the hoax itself..

Lots of people on news made careers off the OJ simpson case..average lawyers..are now celebrities..and give us the news. The murders were horrible, but the benefits covering great.
Hoaxes.. have the same effect

All acts art music news..influence either little, nothing, or a lot, for good or for worse.

The script was there in May 2004..not 2007..That aliendrone site establishes that. Someone slipped.
Someone also must have bought the idea too..to be used on TV..We can't say IA, but so much waffling and bad info..


I need to look at those symbols that Terminator replaced the letters, used by AW, in that episode..AS they look like some of the lettering in the works of grey or laffoyle..and perhaps compare to IAs and Virgils past works..It could be just more universal scripts..for effect.


as for comic books a revenue stream for moviehouses as well.., I believe Banzai might b able to help you with that, as he visits that superheroes collection in development of UK superheroes, as the american markets tend to dominate that..and he was into that...I don't see an immediate connection, although garrison also attends the comic con conferences and rubs elbows with movie makers.
I can't see any connection there..You will have to provide more. than just go to a link.and tell us what you see..




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:50pm

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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:59pm

She is enjoying that massage!!
The hands of a master grin grin
I think thats what we are getting here now
A little to the the left please! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 1:02pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:59pm, Sys_Config wrote:
She is enjoying that massage!! grin grin

Sidd, are you referring to "Beauty & the Beast" or -actually- to Yvette Mimieux & the Morlocks? kiss wink

Greetings & indeed Cheers!! laugh
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 1:17pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:38pm, Masker33 wrote:
Tomi, there is a human based Illumanati...no question. Legend has it that there is a supernatural component. I have no doubt that an invisible college exists also. We sheep really do belong to something else and are guarded and moved from pasture to pasture.

Hmm, sheep & Drones, now why does that sound so familiar..... wink

on May 1st, 2008, 10:15am, Truether wrote:
Eleventhaugust, Marvin. You are both dead wrong. We have proved our expertise in this drone CG matter and all the criteria that you post here and on the debunking site OMF have been exceeded as to reality. Especially the Big Basin Drone. We have posted this on our Blog and will continue to do so even after your "experts" convince the sheep that this is teenage saladbowl type CG. You are wrong now and by your devotion to mediocre science and fake experts you will continue to be wrong.

IC

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on May 11th, 2008, 4:24pm, Truether wrote:
Those who see, hear and watch are given freely the chance of an adventure and future that can only be comprehended when the change comes. The Drones and much more are only beacons beckoning for those who will follow in the seeking of their long standing futures. The sheep and the goats.

L E V I A T H A N

Cheers!! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 1:36pm

Pasture to pasture:
Mars
Earth
Venus
I read this somewhere also.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 23rd, 2009, 1:41pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 1:02pm, DrDil wrote:
Sidd, are you referring to "Beauty & the Beast" or -actually- to Yvette Mimieux & the Morlocks? kiss wink

Greetings & indeed Cheers!! laugh


My daughter danced in a musical version of the Beauty and the Beast these days. She was a tree.

Of course, we are dealing with the Morlocks, masters of the sheeple, bright future of ours!

Humans they serve. But those guys don't even have one cooking book. No culture at all. I hope, they eat at least with knife and drone.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 1:46pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:38pm, Masker33 wrote:
Tomi, there is a human based Illumanati...no question. Legend has it that there is a supernatural component. I have no doubt that an invisible college exists also. We sheep really do belong to something else and are guarded and moved from pasture to pasture. The trick is few believe it and it can be played out in all media without any hindrance to the owners of us all.
As Charles Fort said, humans are owned by something.

Two years, you (and yours wink) have been with us two years and I finally understand something. Thank you.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 1:58pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 1:41pm, SiddReader wrote:
Humans they serve. But those guys don't even have one cooking book. No culture at all. I hope, they eat at least with knife and drone.

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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:04pm

Actually I am waiting on Levs next appearance..he did say wait till we see this summer, after posting his designs at DRT. Of course we are waiting on LMHs announcements too..maybe that november workshop will answer that..
He likes the sheep and dangling goats analogies..but he forgot about wolves..who can eat the sheep and sheepherders..string and all.

Has anyone heard from Kris, I havent seen or heard anything for a while...here or at his sites...what would this saga be without him..I hope no one is dangling his strings..







Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:05pm

My life experience has shown me that ownership over us is very plausible. Things like the Drones (hoax or whatever) and many mundane things are methods of control or manipulation of the herd. I really can see this ownership as being apart from a religious argument. This is just to answer a question of yours. Here the media is not the message, but the a method of control by something somewhere that has a stake in us. To this group we are owned by them and serve a purpose that is important to them. This is my experience and I would expect few to agree. A darker view of religion would show this as would views of many things.

Wolves indeed. Property protected!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:09pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:05pm, Masker33 wrote:
My life experience has shown me that ownership over us is very plausible. Things like the Drones (hoax or whatever) and many mundane things are methods of control or manipulation of the herd. I really can see this ownership as being apart from a religious argument. This is just to answer a question of yours.

<snip>


A question from whom?

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:09pm

Buts thats the way its always been..nothing odd..its natural..
men make institutions and then institutions make men.
The chimpanzees have communities too..unlike the nice bonzo pix on TV..they are quite territorial , prone violence and even homicide..Teenage Dolphins..have been seen to quarry the females..kidnap in effect..until they do whatever to her..
But nothing lasts forever..I doubt the next cataclysm and cleansing will change things..for whatever life and culture or utopian artist takes over. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:19pm

Grown up as a catholic, there is nothing new in this herder/sheep analogy. But they prefered to tell us the story about the lost sheep, which was found back.

Nobody told me, that sheep tastes so good! Reminds me to a restaurant on a summit right now. tongue
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:23pm

Ramush makes the best Leg of Lamb too!! on that Summit.. grin He told me about the silly vegetarians looking for ufos one day. Cheapskates he said..
Allah Bless Deer Creek Restaurant..!!
Woohoo!

PS I like this Sidd.. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:26pm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6165305576181681554

Interesting the "human potential movement"...

hmmmm wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:33pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:38pm, Masker33 wrote:
Tomi, there is a human based Illumanati...no question. Legend has it that there is a supernatural component. I have no doubt that an invisible college exists also. We sheep really do belong to something else and are guarded and moved from pasture to pasture. The trick is few believe it and it can be played out in all media without any hindrance to the owners of us all.
As Charles Fort said, humans are owned by something.

And yet more riddles…..

A little tiresome, but go on then, I'll play. grin

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:05pm, Masker33 wrote:
<snip>

Things like the Drones (hoax or whatever) and many mundane things are methods of control or manipulation of the herd. I really can see this ownership as being apart from a religious argument.

<snip>

If ownership is not asserted, verified or claimed then how is it ownership?

Or perhaps more importantly how does it differ from good ‘ole fashioned paranoia?

(I know, I know, it doesn’t mean they’re not after you).....

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:05pm, Masker33 wrote:
<snip>
Things like the Drones (hoax or whatever) and many mundane things are methods of control or manipulation of the herd. I really can see this ownership as being apart from a religious argument.

<snip>

A darker view of religion would show this as would views of many things.

<snip>

If it’s apart from religion then why would a darker view of religion show it?

What do you mean, “As would views of many things?”

Do you mean how “Many things” would appear if looked at with a “darker view”?

Isn’t a view merely a constant, with the difference being how what we view is interpreted?

Surely we all ‘view’ the same things but ultimately we just perceive them differently?

So in that case wouldn’t the “Darkness” merely be in the eye of the beholder?

And if so then wouldn’t this “Darkness” be little more than a character-flaw of those who view and ultimately categorise what they view as such?

Perhaps as Tomi has recently seen the light (after two years kiss) then she would explain…..

Cheers.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:34pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:26pm, tomi01uk wrote:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6165305576181681554

Interesting the "human potential movement"...

hmmmm wink


The net is full of that potential stuff, the secret, new age stuff..its just revamped new age..instead of psychedelic..its psychotronic..Even Mark Cater pushes that..Most of your co members at DRT are into that ..
I think I saw Iamiamiam mane associated with that self realization stuff..
Even Kabbalistic jews into that..an offshoot..has madonna hooked..lets not talk Tom Cruise...
At least Raeleans are honset..they like sex..uninhibited under the stars I guess., no astrology or fenshui necessary.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:39pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:19pm, SiddReader wrote:
Grown up as a catholic, there is nothing new in this herder/sheep analogy. But they prefered to tell us the story about the lost sheep, which was found back.

Nobody told me, that sheep tastes so good! Reminds me to a restaurant on a summit right now. tongue

Heh, heh, I was ‘dragged’ up as a Catholic as well!!

Doesn’t that particular story involve forsaking the entire flock to search out the solitary lamb? I always thought that was a little excessive, in the real world the shepherd would have returned to find his entire flock missing due to trying to retrieve just one lamb…..

(Beware of the surly bartender/waiter!!)

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:09pm, Sys_Config wrote:
But nothing lasts forever..

But nothing IS forever...... wink

Cheers. smiley
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:41pm

My responce was for Tomi.

It has been said before that the UFO experience is a control, one of many, for human development. This is not new. Very little is new as is said here. As you all know UFO like images spread through out history in many ways. It is all the same thing. The debate on all UFO phenomena is really over and the outcome can be understood. Sheep, goats, shepherds, wolves and a way out. I suppose the way out is the important part for me.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:54pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:41pm, Masker33 wrote:
My responce was for Tomi.

It has been said before that the UFO experience is a control, one of many, for human development. This is not new. Very little is new as is said here. As you all know UFO like images spread through out history in many ways. It is all the same thing. The debate on all UFO phenomena is really over and the outcome can be understood. Sheep, goats, shepherds, wolves and a way out. I suppose the way out is the important part for me.


The problem with that approach is as you keep saying that this train of thought applies whether the Drones are hoaxed or not is nonsensical, I appreciate what you are saying as it’s much the same as Keel & Vallee espouse but how would this control-system apply at all if it’s a human construct?

I.e. a human engineered hoax?

Surely once you start viewing hoaxes as a control system then ultimately you are knowingly relinquishing any perceived control to what is simply another human?

Collective consciousness aside then aren’t you doing yourself a massive disservice by discounting the origins of the broader UFO phenomenon?

Cheers.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:54pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:34pm, Sys_Config wrote:
The net is full of that potential stuff, the secret, new age stuff..its just revamped new age..instead of psychedelic..its psychotronic..Even Mark Cater pushes that..Most of your co members at DRT are into that ..
I think I saw Iamiamiam mane associated with that self realization stuff..
Even Kabbalistic jews into that..an offshoot..has madonna hooked..lets not talk Tom Cruise...
At least Raeleans are honset..they like sex..uninhibited under the stars I guess., no astrology or fenshui necessary.


There is a eschalon in this..
http://www.commonpassion.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=71
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:59pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:41pm, Masker33 wrote:
My responce was for Tomi.

It has been said before that the UFO experience is a control, one of many, for human development. This is not new. Very little is new as is said here. As you all know UFO like images spread through out history in many ways. It is all the same thing. The debate on all UFO phenomena is really over and the outcome can be understood. Sheep, goats, shepherds, wolves and a way out. I suppose the way out is the important part for me.


In a particular calendar May 07 had particular significance .. trying to find the name of this time frame.. it meant something to consciousness awakening.. didn't it?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 3:05pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:54pm, DrDil wrote:
The problem with that approach is as you keep saying that this train of thought applies whether the Drones are hoaxed or not is nonsensical, I appreciate what you are saying as it’s much the same as Keel & Vallee espouse but how would this control-system apply at all if it’s a human construct?

I.e. a human engineered hoax?

Surely once you start viewing hoaxes as a control system then ultimately you are knowingly relinquishing any perceived control to what is simply another human?

Collective consciousness aside then aren’t you doing yourself a massive disservice by discounting the origins of the broader UFO phenomenon?

Cheers.


This group came from Esalen as well:
http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 3:10pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 2:33pm, DrDil wrote:
Perhaps as Tomi has recently seen the light (after two years kiss) then she would explain…..

Cheers.


I think I have seen some light, a fragment of understanding. And yet I could be totally wrong.

But one thing I do know thanks to Mask et al.. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 3:17pm

You want quality.. ufo research?
It doesn't get any better than this..

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=peter+sturrock+esalen+institute&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 3:57pm

All this is is links to schools of thought..not one has a shred of ET antigrav, ET metal, evidence post WWII, korea. post Vietnam post Iraq post Aghanistan..that the US has anything other than some smart cookies, which it got through a steady infusion of inventors and scientists from around the world, who saw thru the veil of BS in their own countries and made it over here...
The one country who got esoteric and astrological was Hiler..and didn't do a xxxxed bit of good, or the kings of Voodoo in Haiti..with centuries of african chrisian, didnt help papa doc any or even yet..
There might even be an anti religious bent to this whole thing..if you go by IA, cetrtainly even Laffoyel..like those self empowering groups..all seem to look at themselves as Godheads..you are ultimate creator..

I like Sids take..entertainment..it fits better than the rest of the stuff I am seeing so far and no one can touch his insight. Because it has no redeeming value I can find ..other than to fit that purpose..even if unintended.

With all the intuitives, buddhists, Urantians, new agers, save the Earth or get off it people at DRT , Tomi would be more versed than just coming across this now..or have seen the BS early on..
With all the thousands Panels, conferences, prayers, meditations, of remote viewers paying good money, and all the old time crystal ball artistes..Not one shread of evidence..of anything..but thousands of dvds movies and books..about the talk..Lets talk about the talk..and see who else out there is talking the talk..look here are ten thousand more links about the talk..
As far as this hoax..nobody but here..why is that..
Thats whats going on here right now.

entertaining talk.
and without Sid to add humor..not even worth talking about .

Note to Double..Wait for me..I'm right behind you..











Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 4:06pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 3:57pm, Sys_Config wrote:
Tomi would be more versed than just coming across this now..or have seen the BS early on..

No, only over the past 3 or 4 days I've been trying to take this all in and make sense out of it. Like I said, I could be totally wrong.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 23rd, 2009, 4:14pm

Its okay Tomi..Thank you for being here anyway..at least we talkk civilly..You are not a bad person by any means..I hope all of you find your way..to whatever you seek..
I'm wrapping up here.
Lev said there is a bad moon arisin smiley
So I must prepare for that later..
Maybe June 26, 2009 tells something..
I don't think it will be worth our wait.
Regards


Marvin!!
Tell them when they ask what happened..just say
we speak as one and as one we say

Miye Hca Manu Nitiwa Wakiya Tuyapi

I am the one who stole your thunder! Lakota


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Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 4:41pm

Yes, I need to take a break too.
Thank you for the kind words at the end.
I've done all the research I can take for a while.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 23rd, 2009, 4:42pm

Surely you are right now, Tomi.

If people start to talk with themselves and post too many posts after each other without any partner to contribute, this is always a bad sign.

Funnily this was the way, Virgil introduced himself here.

And again I think, it is a matter of perception.

The guys at IA are totally wrong, if they really think, they can widen conciousness with their funny game site. People always look through their own glasses. This is, why we see so much confrontation here.

But then again they only want to make money somehow. So they don't care, what people think and what they tell them.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 4:54pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 4:42pm, SiddReader wrote:
Surely you are right now, Tomi.

If people start to talk with themselves and post too many posts after each other without any partner to contribute, this is always a bad sign.

Funnily this was the way, Virgil introduced himself here.

And again I think, it is a matter of perception.

The guys at IA are totally wrong, if they really think, they can widen conciousness with their funny game site. People always look through their own glasses. This is, why we see so much confrontation here.

But then again they only want to make money somehow. So they don't care, what people think and what they tell them.


Everyone has their own tolerance level to esoterica. I know when I have reached mine.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 23rd, 2009, 5:13pm

You know, I don't see any frontiers anymore. Indeed, I am a little frustrated, that I really thought, they were there sometime.

We are the masters of the rule. - And here I even agree with IA, at least, what they said in the interview.

We decide, if we hate or are friends.

I decided, we are ALL friends.

SiddReader (looking around in the circle): What is YOUR decision?

(SiddReader looking at Shads, Doubles, Sys, Tomi, Dil, Mask, Virgil, Mur - Damn, who did I forget now? I know, how easily people are hurt, if you forget them! Ah, let's just add this - and all the other participants. Silence.)

SiddReader (whispering): So what is our decision?

Everybody shruggs. WTF do I know!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 23rd, 2009, 5:17pm

Gort: You forgot me!

SiddReder: Merdre! And 11howeveryournameishere and katerdingens un all die anderen Junges un Mädchers!

(SiddReader starts to write the song: "Me no waan fi we be frien's". It's going to be a hit until 2012. Then the world goes down.)
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 6:33pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 5:17pm, SiddReader wrote:
Gort: You forgot me!

SiddReder: Merdre! And 11howeveryournameishere and katerdingens un all die anderen Junges un Mädchers!

(SiddReader starts to write the song: "Me no waan fi we be frien's". It's going to be a hit until 2012. Then the world goes down.)


Sidd, you are without a doubt one of the most venerated persons here. Your wit, intelligence, talent and integrity and more than that, your caring for others, will make you always a friend to everyone here. Especially me.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 23rd, 2009, 6:34pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 5:13pm, SiddReader wrote:
We decide, if we hate or are friends.

I decided, we are ALL friends.


I can certainly live with that. cool
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 6:46pm

A special word to masker. (et al) wink
You too.. in your many ways .. special..

And thank you for your candid insights as well.
You've been like a companion(s) unknown, unseen, but ALWAYS there grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 7:44pm

I want to offer this one up for everyone.
Both sides, and inbetween, who gave what they had and could to help find the answers, and also to those who created the questions.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 24th, 2009, 04:51am

Hello, please allow me to introduce myself; my name is Elijah Constantine Tome. I am one half the original founders of the Internet experiment known as the Internal Astronaut. I have felt the need to communicate with you for several pressing reasons. Firstly, I would like to apologize for the rash behavior of Virgil Crow on your websites post, alas; he is a complex man with many issues regarding his personal safety and peace of mind. Over the years, he has journeyed deep within himself with the use of hallucinogenic chemicals, I am afraid the residual effects have left him woefully confused at times. While his work has aided the I.A. machine tremendously, his volatile personality has made him a bit of a nuisance at times, again, my sincerest apologies.

In regards to the Drone Icon, it is such a touchy subject that I am behooved to tread lightly when writing my thoughts on the topic. Please understand that I am well aware of your desire for full disclosure on the matter, however, there are people, factions and machinations that are still involved (and being implemented) who would be greatly ill effected by informational leakage at this juncture. I will however try to illuminate the reasons behind the sightings as best that I can.

Phenomenology, as has been stated previously, was the main objective of the experiment. I am not going to go into the details of the meaning, I can see from reading your posts that you have done an excellent job of researching the subject. In regards to the Drone Icon, Obey and those involved in the ‘Andre the Giant Has A Posse’ art movement, have nothing but a cursory knowledge of the happenings in regards to the reasons behind the sightings.

A group of Scientists (not just academic science) had discovered through the use of a certain mixture of hallucinogenic drugs that they were able to have an experience together that allowed them to share a common vision. Now, obviously this is not a new concept, however, this particular group had something very unique in common. They had all claimed to have been repeatedly abducted by unknown forces for years prior to the group’s formulation, an in so had acquired specific gifts of ethereal persuasion. It is not entirely clear, even to these members, exactly how they all managed to find themselves in Boulder Colorado in the late summer of 1969; however, this date is when the true experiment began. Just to make it clear, I (Elijah Constantine Tome) am the son of one of the original group members. I grew up privy to certain aspects of trans-dimensional vibrations and alien intervention and also with much knowledge as to the agenda of the group.

The original shared vision was very similar to the Drone Icon that has been seen, videotaped and photographed in several different locations. However, in the beginning it was the symbols that were more prominent within the mass consciousness of the group. You see, the symbols are not in themselves a language, they are more a set of elements that actually define a greater purpose. It is difficult to explain because it is almost alien to our way of thinking about communication. For lack of a better analogy, each symbol is like a piece of a machine, alone, it/they mean nothing, however, in its place it is an intricate part of the rest of the system. When you see the Drone, what you are actually thinking you see is the byproduct of the symbols themselves. The symbols create the illusion of shape and structure. The symbols effect specific areas in the human brain that are in charge of registering environmental stimuli, they (the power of the symbols) bypass the normal avenues that define ‘reality’ from ‘imagination’ and reprogram a designated response, the amazing and most unbelievable aspects of the phenomenon is that the manifestation (Illusion) can then be recorded as something tangible in the sky, ground or wherever. The reason for this is that the human mind is a conduit, the symbols are things that are present everywhere, although invisible to most (hidden in plain view). When a properly primed mind interacts with the symbols in or near an electrical energy field, the outcome is a visually recognized structure (Drone Icon).

Much discussion has taken place over the years as to the reason behind such design and implication. It is widely believed that it is an ancient (Primordial) educational tool. When humanity reaches a point within its developmental evolution, and electricity is manipulated, generated and distributed, it starts to attract the symbol elements towards specific meridians of energetic transfer. As technology progresses, the use of hallucinogenic chemicals also becomes a prominent roll in human spiritual/mental development. Together, the tech and drugs combine to prime the mind for new and unique senses that can then be used to create whole new realities and sub-realities. This then leads to the bridging of dimensions and humanity then transcends to a higher vibration. Of course this is only a theory, there is no proof that humanity has been developing its technology to a point that it becomes something more than human, however, in the hearts and minds of many, it does spark an almost ancient instinctual memory.

By the mid 1970’s the group began to break apart. Eventually, the information leaked to certain government agency who were already busy doing experiments with hallucinogenic drugs for the purpose of mind control, telepathy, remote viewing and the like. One unscrupulous member saw the potential to become very financially set by his cooperation with said government agency, and aided secret agents in apprehending and arresting members of the original group. Many members fled the country to Mexico, British Columbia and parts unknown. However, five had been captured and forced to take part in controlled experiments to manifest Drone elements. These experiments were well documented and are much of the information that was shown during the Isaac debriefing.

The members that were captured (and the one who helped turn them in) by the agency were never seen or heard from again. This does not mean they were killed, it only means that they never were returned to their original lives. Perhaps they were re-patterned and placed back in society with new identities, or possibly were thrown in a secret military prison, no one knows for sure. What is certain is that for whatever reason the program was eventually discontinued and the laboratories closed and boarded up.

By the late 1980’s for most of the surviving members life had moved on, they had been too apprehensive to begin again the work that seemed to bring them ever closer to omnipotent resonance. However, a select few and their children were being primed yet again for another mentally/spiritually significant episode of creational prowess.

I cannot share with you any of the names or titles of the individuals that make up the second Drone group that was in direct influence over the sightings a few years back. What I can tell you is that they had/have the noblest of intentions. The manifestation of the illusion of the Drone Icon is but a drop in the bucket as to what every (fully functional) human mind is capable of accomplishing. The experiment is only a step towards this realization. We are all destined to become creators of a new reality, one where the limits to creativity begin only where the boundaries of imagination end. Please feel free to ask me any questions that you see fit, however, realize that much of what you may be asking, I will be unable to extrapolate upon.

Just a note on the objectives of the Internal Astronaut: we realize that human consciousness cannot be forced or even rushed towards a predestined intention. Our main goal is to create an environment where a visitor might leave with more wonder and questions towards their existence, than before visiting. Like the Drone Icon experiment and the Obey Giant movement, we too wish to do our little part to illuminate the awe and powerful inclinations of our human consciousness within and beyond this place of network, energy and structure.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Radi on Jun 24th, 2009, 05:13am

Huh... grin smiley
You know that the drones are a hoax and all were reported to be where they were not..Other-Words they were reported by liars.....
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 24th, 2009, 05:21am

on Jun 24th, 2009, 04:51am, ElijahTome wrote:
A group of Scientists (not just academic science) had discovered through the use of a certain mixture of hallucinogenic drugs that they were able to have an experience together that allowed them to share a common vision.

When a properly primed mind interacts with the symbols in or near an electrical energy field, the outcome is a visually recognized structure (Drone Icon).



shocked
Welcome Elijah Constantine Tome. cool
The games continue. Where's Robert when you need him. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 24th, 2009, 05:40am

Hi Elijah!

Do you claim copyrights for this story or may I use it?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 24th, 2009, 05:44am

Please, by all means, use it, just reference it to the IA
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 24th, 2009, 05:54am

wink That's a deal!

If I do, I will drop you a mail.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jun 24th, 2009, 08:06am

Hello to all of my comrades from forums past and present!

I have been ill these months and then got lost in the cloud once I was fully functional. I only got to page five of this topic when my energy gave out so I will finish up tomorrow. Forgive my ignorance of current drone events, please.

Thanks to the DRT site and it's wild "E.T." post (by one erudite chap who goes by "ElijahTome") whereby I found the familiar gang here and have been reading the attempts to jumpstart the drones once again.

It's not surprising that there have been no concrete sightings in CA. or pretty much elsewhere - smoke rings notwithstanding. Heck, even Sarah Connor has gone bye-bye.

I wonder if the drone images/LAP made any money for anyone? Surely Alienware hasn't been showing off the symbols much in their ads and all...

And I have been looking at Sys's document vault on ATS
once again and am convinced that his past references to the SubGenius website and it's philosophy (Discordianism, The Church of the SubGenius) are nothing to sneeze at.

Anyways, it was great that Tomi posted that LOLA song link and I reveled in her good taste.

Do you all have any concrete leads I could explore that you all are working on?

Thanx for your help and great seeing you all again!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Jun 24th, 2009, 08:52am

on Jun 24th, 2009, 04:51am, ElijahTome wrote:
When you see the Drone, what you are actually thinking you see is the byproduct of the symbols themselves. The symbols create the illusion of shape and structure. The symbols effect specific areas in the human brain that are in charge of registering environmental stimuli, they (the power of the symbols) bypass the normal avenues that define ‘reality’ from ‘imagination’ and reprogram a designated response, the amazing and most unbelievable aspects of the phenomenon is that the manifestation (Illusion) can then be recorded as something tangible in the sky, ground or wherever. The reason for this is that the human mind is a conduit, the symbols are things that are present everywhere, although invisible to most (hidden in plain view). When a properly primed mind interacts with the symbols in or near an electrical energy field, the outcome is a visually recognized structure (Drone Icon).


The drone hoax is dead, killed by lying, anonymous witnesses, false locations, and no documentation that any drone sighting ever took place. Sighting locations were found, searched, investigated and no tangible evidence of a drone reality was found.

With that said, I would like to address your statement I quoted above. In short, you say that the symbols are actually hidden everywhere and if one finds himself near the hidden symbols and an electrical field, his mind will create an illusion of the drone; an illusion that can then be photographed or video taped?

I can imagine Cheech saying to Chong: "Dude, this acid trip is awesome! Hand me a camera so I can show you what I'm seeing!"

I'm sorry but your well written post lost all credibility when you added that statement. You have obviously ( and apparently still do ) use drugs which cause hallucinations.

I apologize for calling BS when I see it, but if it quacks like a duck.......well you know the rest.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 24th, 2009, 09:09am

on Jun 24th, 2009, 08:52am, Jeddyhi wrote:
The drone hoax is dead, killed by lying, anonymous witnesses, false locations, and no documentation that any drone sighting ever took place.

I apologize for calling BS when I see it, but if it quacks like a duck.......well you know the rest.


Thanks Jed......I wanted to post something about this as well but. as usual. you illustrated the point in my mind more eloquently than i could have!!

Only thing i could add is that this guy is obviously trying desperately to increase the membership at his site (above the huge # of 4??) and attempting to capitalize on the few gullible minds that still believe in this nonsense to do so!

A little late to be jumping on this bandwagon acidhead!!




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Albatross on Jun 24th, 2009, 09:18am

rolleyes Oh, geez...

Elijah,

Everyone here posting on this thread has extensively studied the drone images and the LAP. NONE of us has seen a drone appear.

If what you say is true, then we ALL should have. We ALL have these symbols on our computers, have printed them on paper, have rearranged them looking for clues... We're all surrounded by enough ambient electrical energy to manifest one of these things if what you say is true. Consider the Chad and Big Basin drones - allegedly in the middle of nowhere, so apparently not much energy is needed at all. But none of us has seen a SINGLE DRONE appear outside our window.

Maybe we're not doing enough drugs, guys.
Let's all drop acid and start this investigation afresh.

rolleyes
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 24th, 2009, 09:27am

on Jun 24th, 2009, 08:06am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Do you all have any concrete leads I could explore that you all are working on?


Hi Klat,

maybe you could bring some more popcorn. Elijah just did the good cop - bad cop game for us. Or maybe it was Jackill and Hyde - you never know how many persons are really behind a name.

Then he improved Isaacs story for us. Not as realistic, but much mor thrilling. I think I like his version better.

But still we have no cool end here. Maybe the other half of IA can drop in and give us his vision.

Edit to add: Something with the Multi-Dimensional Shared Memory Matrisphere would be great!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 24th, 2009, 09:31am

It's called weakening of the gene pool. In any population where a deleterious genetic mutation cannot be culled (most tend to eliminate themselves by terminating the individual if severe enough) it will tend to propagate. It may not be immediately disadvantageous to the individual or the species or population as a whole but eventually it will take its troll. In a society which helps disadvantaged individuals for whatever reason with the goal to make them productive again, it's easy to understand "weakening of the gene pool" as cumulative, seemingly inconsequential defects are passed on and add up.

This trend got a big boost in the late 60s drug culture and I always wondered about the LSD induced genetic mutations and the effect on subsequent offspring. I no longer wonder.

Unfortunately weakening of the gene pool is becoming the norm and you'll find no greater haven than in the confines of the UFO community. Sad to say.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jun 24th, 2009, 11:32am

The last time Alice jumped down the rabbit hole, she ended up with a restaurant.

I am going there now to look for LAP symbols and Drones… ‘cus everyone knows, you can get anything you want… at Alice’s restaurant (except for Alice). wink




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 24th, 2009, 11:37am

on Jun 24th, 2009, 11:32am, Marvin wrote:
The last time Alice jumped down the rabbit hole, she ended up with a restaurant.

I am going there now to look for LAP symbols and Drones… ‘cus everyone knows, you can get anything you want… at Alice’s restaurant (except for Alice). wink





Watch out for that bartender, Marvin. Story is he's not much fun to be around. wink That just cannot be good for business.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 24th, 2009, 11:40am

on Jun 24th, 2009, 09:31am, Gort wrote:
It's called weakening of the gene pool. In any population where a deleterious genetic mutation cannot be culled (most tend to eliminate themselves by terminating the individual if severe enough) it will tend to propagate. It may not be immediately disadvantageous to the individual or the species or population as a whole but eventually it will take its troll. In a society which helps disadvantaged individuals for whatever reason with the goal to make them productive again, it's easy to understand "weakening of the gene pool" as cumulative, seemingly inconsequential defects are passed on and add up.

This trend got a big boost in the late 60s drug culture and I always wondered about the LSD induced genetic mutations and the effect on subsequent offspring. I no longer wonder.

Unfortunately weakening of the gene pool is becoming the norm and you'll find no greater haven than in the confines of the UFO community. Sad to say.


Gort, Dewd! That's such a bummer, Man. Even if it does explain about half of the daily dosage of moronic behavior I have to deal with at work...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jun 24th, 2009, 11:47am

on Jun 24th, 2009, 11:37am, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Watch out for that bartender, Marvin. Story is he's not much fun to be around. wink That just cannot be good for business.



Walking on egg shells as I post Double....

Remember, Alice gets her stuff from the neighbors, watch it folks... its a fairly dangerous place (unless you'ra insider... me oh, mi oh). Cuc'koo a chew.



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 24th, 2009, 12:34pm

Dudes I really recommend you all reading this again..only from top to bottom so we don't fall off the roller coaster.
http://howtorockstar.blogspot.com/2005_05_10_howtorockstar_archive.html
we can enjoy the ride better
cool



Shout out to Mask ,

Pasture to pasture:
Mars
Earth
Venus
I read this somewhere also.


Me too..Only us homys would know about that..
They don't teach science or RRR no more in skools..

I thought I recognized you ,you hung out on Mars , Mercury , Venus Aves, That whole planet strip..in FL, remember?..man those were the dayz.
Man those Panama Red Bluntz were da Bomb Dude. cool
So what you been up to bro? cheesy
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 24th, 2009, 1:53pm

Nothing much dude.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 24th, 2009, 2:05pm

Maybe, Michael, but do you remember when Frank played the bike?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCCGeHz06U4
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jun 24th, 2009, 2:11pm

on Jun 23rd, 2009, 4:14pm, Frank Zappa wrote:
Marvin!!
Tell them when they ask what happened..just say
we speak as one and as one we say

Miye Hca Manu Nitiwa Wakiya Tuyapi

I am the one who stole your thunder! Lakota


User Image



Brother of the wind,

My brother Sohu sends greetings of peace.

AH-UH NAYAY TOR-SHNA NENA-NAY-YAYAH
NENA-NAY-YAY YEHA-NOHA
AH-UH NAYAY TOR-SHNA NENA-NAY-YAYAH
YEHA-NOHA


It is with one tongue spoken... and spoken well.

Prosper.

Nan-gasohu




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 24th, 2009, 2:34pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 11:47am, Marvin wrote:
Walking on egg shells as I post Double....


Hehe! No doubles is a nice guy, though some think he is from the CIA - Why does he use the word spy in his name?

He only does not want to change his view that easily. But he can, I know. He loves Twain! And I am sure, he never had anything against you... But he can knock you by himself, if he wants. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 24th, 2009, 3:38pm

Thank you greatly for your comments, I am only here to clarity certain dynamics of our (Internal Astronaut) involvement and understanding into the Drone Icon experiment. I stated that the symbols are everywhere, I also stated that the specific mind that is part of the manifestation of the illusion must be primed, not to view the phenomenon but to manifest the vision. Every human being with a fully functional mind has the capability of manifesting the symbols into seemingly tangible sightings, however, the sequence of mental awareness must already be in place. So yes, the symbols are everywhere, however the initiate must already have certain mental pathways available for the transfer of energy in and through the framework of the illusion.

In defense of our I.A. agenda, please keep in mind that you and others of your ilk are the ones who came to us with questions, we never broadcast any knowledge or involvement in the project until we were contacted herein. Good cop, bad cop, yin and yang, everything that is touched by human hands will be so effected in such a grossly dualistic manner, it is the nature of our species. Virgil Crow, myself and others are individuals and yet in the grand scheme, we and you and all of humanity are one in the same. This is not 'drug culture' talk, it is the basis of the ancient Vedic Teachings that predate the Old Testament by many lifetimes. Success within the illusion means nothing, what is significant is that the Dreamer is soon to awaken, the dream, which is what most of us perceive as reality, is soon to unravel into the calm void of oblivion. Again, the Drone Icon experiment is only a small illustration of the unfurling of thought towards a more complete reality.

The fact that we are having this dialog, whether you think that I.A. is a false lead, outright lies or some other aspect in between is not the issue. What is important is that you are all thinking outside the box, even more so that you had first perceived. The Internal Astronaut experiment is nothing more that a grouping of sights and sounds used to prime the visitor to think just a bit off the mainline of their original pathway of perception. Obviously it has had such an effect on you and your group or this conversation would not be happening. I am very pleased that it has and is.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 24th, 2009, 3:55pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 3:38pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Thank you greatly for your comments, I am only here to clarity certain dynamics of our (Internal Astronaut) involvement and understanding into the Drone Icon experiment. I stated that the symbols are everywhere, I also stated that the specific mind that is part of the manifestation of the illusion must be primed, not to view the phenomenon but to manifest the vision. Every human being with a fully functional mind has the capability of manifesting the symbols into seemingly tangible sightings, however, the sequence of mental awareness must already be in place. So yes, the symbols are everywhere, however the initiate must already have certain mental pathways available for the transfer of energy in and through the framework of the illusion.

In defense of our I.A. agenda, please keep in mind that you and others of your ilk are the ones who came to us with questions, we never broadcast any knowledge or involvement in the project until we were contacted herein. Good cop, bad cop, yin and yang, everything that is touched by human hands will be so effected in such a grossly dualistic manner, it is the nature of our species. Virgil Crow, myself and others are individuals and yet in the grand scheme, we and you and all of humanity are one in the same. This is not 'drug culture' talk, it is the basis of the ancient Vedic Teachings that predate the Old Testament by many lifetimes. Success within the illusion means nothing, what is significant is that the Dreamer is soon to awaken, the dream, which is what most of us perceive as reality, is soon to unravel into the calm void of oblivion. Again, the Drone Icon experiment is only a small illustration of the unfurling of thought towards a more complete reality.

The fact that we are having this dialog, whether you think that I.A. is a false lead, outright lies or some other aspect in between is not the issue. What is important is that you are all thinking outside the box, even more so that you had first perceived. The Internal Astronaut experiment is nothing more that a grouping of sights and sounds used to prime the visitor to think just a bit off the mainline of their original pathway of perception. Obviously it has had such an effect on you and your group or this conversation would not be happening. I am very pleased that it has and is.


Jeebee? That you?

Whoever you are, I believe you are the first to claim ownership. Should be easy to prove, or are you just having some fun?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:06pm

Speaking for myself, I have not really looked at the IA site in depth, only a cursory glance. I found it kind of strange. If you are going to try and associate yourselves to the drone hoax, fine, it is not unexpected or surprising. Hell, you may be the actual source.
But if you want to claim that the drones were visions or illusions that were created by symbols, and then photographed, then I must question your sanity. You will find that the posters in this thread are very intelligent and hardly can be mislead by such a preposterous claim.

The drones are fakes created by anonymous hoaxers. You are either riding on their coat tails, or the coat tails belongs to you. I'm going back to lurking and cannot wait to see what you post next.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:07pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 3:38pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Thank you greatly for your comments, I am only here to clarity certain dynamics of our (Internal Astronaut) involvement and understanding into the Drone Icon experiment.

Hi Elijah and welcome to the forum.

So many questions but before I ask any 'real' ones I have a couple more formal ones first. Could you tell me if you are real-world/geographically close to Virgil and if so do you still maintain a regular contact and when was the last time Virgil contributed to the IA site?

Is your partner/IA co-founder also known as “Sebastian Sine” ?

And just to clarify, are you claiming that the “Second Drone group” of which you speak is exclusively responsible for manifesting the Drone craft which were subsequently photographed then the images posted and circulated on the internet during the two month period spanning May 2007 & June 2007?

And to further clarify are you claiming that the “First Drone group” was exclusively responsible for manifesting the alleged occurrences which lead to the whistle-blower known as Isaac obtaining and posting his documentation on June 26th 2007?

Again, welcome to the forum.

Cheers.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:30pm

1st point: Jeddyhi

It is certainly not my intention to claim ownership to a naturally occurring phenomenon, however, I will say that I am privy to information that may be beneficial for your overall understanding of the Drone Icon experiment. The symbols in question have always been there, they were waiting for such time when our technological development and our use of mind altering chemicals had reached the proper sequence as to be available to open up the pathways to said Drone creation. The experiment is neither a hoax nor an actual flying device, it is a manifestation of the essence of space itself (in the form of the symbols) manipulated by ever-present electrical current and the mental focus of the initiates involved in said manifestation. In regards the physical pictures taken of mental projections, that is exactly what the Drone Icon's were (for the most part). I may be insane, that is certainly a possibility, although this is the environment that I grew up in. Everything I am saying I have been hearing about within my family and the group since my early childhood. I have not ruled out complete mental divergence on my part.

2nd point: DrDil

I have seen Virgil on several occasions in the past year. He has not worked directly on the I.A. site in sometime, however, he was originally commissioned to created twenty interfaces for our group. We have only utilized several of them and are soon to be releasing yet another. He is a great talent, however his volatile nature makes him hard to be around in person. It is not that he is mean spirited, it is that he has many issues that he is unable to deal with in a conducive way. Like many artists, he is as damaged as he is gifted.

Question 1:

Sebastian Sine is the other founding member of the Internal Astronaut. However, he has been missing in action for some time now. We are hoping to reestablish communication with him in short time.

Question 2:

"And just to clarify, are you claiming that the “Second Drone group” of which you speak is exclusively responsible for manifesting the Drone craft which were subsequently photographed then the images posted and circulated on the internet during the two month period spanning May 2007 & June 2007?"

Answer: Yes

Question 3:

"And to further clarify are you claiming that the “First Drone group” was exclusively responsible for manifesting the alleged occurrences which lead to the whistle-blower known as Isaac obtaining and posting his documentation on June 26th 2007?"

Answer: Yes, although there is a little more involved than the aforementioned.


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Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:34pm

Elijah, I feel it only fair to warn you that a little devil by the name of Lev, among many others, really hates competition, so watch out for him/them.

I have had lots of negative things to say about "Tomi," but "she" is really good at "her" job.
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Post by masker33 on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:37pm

Yeah, watch out for Lev. grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:42pm

Thank you greatly for the warning, I am sure that Lev and I can find a common ground on this thing. I will not battle him if he doesn't agree with my information, again, the illusion is chock full of differing perceptions of the same daunting picture.
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Post by DrDil on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:42pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:30pm, ElijahTome wrote:
2nd point: DrDil

I have seen Virgil on several occasions in the past year. He has not worked directly on the I.A. site in sometime, however, he was originally commissioned to created twenty interfaces for our group. We have only utilized several of them and are soon to be releasing yet another. He is a great talent, however his volatile nature makes him hard to be around in person. It is not that he is mean spirited, it is that he has many issues that he is unable to deal with in a conducive way. Like many artists, he is as damaged as he is gifted.

Question 1:

Sebastian Sine is the other founding member of the Internal Astronaut. However, he has been missing in action for some time now. We are hoping to reestablish communication with him in short time.

Question 2:

"And just to clarify, are you claiming that the “Second Drone group” of which you speak is exclusively responsible for manifesting the Drone craft which were subsequently photographed then the images posted and circulated on the internet during the two month period spanning May 2007 & June 2007?"

Answer: Yes

Question 3:

"And to further clarify are you claiming that the “First Drone group” was exclusively responsible for manifesting the alleged occurrences which lead to the whistle-blower known as Isaac obtaining and posting his documentation on June 26th 2007?"

Answer: Yes, although there is a little more involved than the aforementioned.


Well firstly and I suppose the most important question/observation I have is you’re basically saying that everything Isaac wrote is absolute nonsense or at best everything he was told was absolute nonsense, would you agree? (Hopefully you do and if you do [agree] then we’re off to a flying start as we both already agree on something!! grin)

Could you as being someone ‘in the know’ be in a position to readily differentiate between a truly manifested “byproduct of the symbols themselves” i.e. a “Drone icon" from any/all potential pretenders to the illusory throne?

Also on a similar theme and as you’re acutely aware of the Drones and considering all that you claim they infer then would I be correct in assuming that you’re in a somewhat unique position of knowing when the experiments to manifest the Drones took place and so would also be aware of the consequences which resulted from these manifestations being photographed, i.e. the resulting posting of the Drones to the internet and the specifics surrounding the reports & images?

Cheers.

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Post by masker33 on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:46pm

Are we witnessing this thing crank up again. I thought all was solved and most pleased with the resolution. IMO a hoax. IMO the UFO is a control system designed and created in many ways for the basic needs of something other than us, but using us as part of that control and creation. We all need to move on and poor Lev, surly he/she/it/they can not make this thing run any further. All would agree to that. rolleyes cool kiss
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Post by DrDil on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:52pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:46pm, Masker33 wrote:
Are we witnessing this thing crank up again. I thought all was solved and most pleased with the resolution. IMO a hoax. IMO the UFO is a control system designed and created in many ways for the basic needs of something other than us, but using us as part of that control and creation. We all need to move on and poor Lev, surly he/she/it/they can not make this thing run any further. All would agree to that. rolleyes cool kiss

Or is it the ‘thing’ finally winding down, perhaps after, 'one last push' as it were?

Do you think that you, (ahem) Lev, Virgil and Elijah have anything in common?

Cheers. kiss
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Post by SiddReader on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:52pm

After a second thought, I find your version even better, Elijah!

I think, you delivered the good final already.

But still I would like to have RRed's Multi-Dimensional Shared Memory Matrisphere in it. Maybe you can ask him, if it is possible.

And if you two are really three, than maybe think about the possibility that Virgil could do the cover. I will start to talk with my publisher as soon, as you give me green light.

Since you are a professional, you know, that I first have to ask, if this fits to their program.

But in the beginning is the deed. (Goethe: Faust)
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Post by SiddReader on Jun 24th, 2009, 5:02pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:46pm, Masker33 wrote:
Are we witnessing this thing crank up again. I thought all was solved and most pleased with the resolution.


grin And that is why you stay.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Jun 24th, 2009, 5:08pm

Elijah, what is the source of the symbols?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 24th, 2009, 5:18pm

Quote:
Or is it the ‘thing’ finally winding down, perhaps after, 'one last push' as it were?

Do you think that you, (ahem) Lev, Virgil and Elijah have anything in common?


I hope it is winding down completely.

I have nothing in common with those mentioned. I like and enjoyed the original Drone ride, but now it should be finished so you very talented people can move on to what is left. There must be many more hoaxes to expose and wrongs to set right. The truth can be placed high for all to see and follow as a refreshed world moves toward its fate. I think the fire is out so maybe the firefighters should go home and prepare for a real conflagration in which their talents can be used against the real thing instead of an insipid hoax.
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Post by Katterfelto on Jun 24th, 2009, 5:22pm

Masker your posts are getting longer. What's up with that besides what looks like a frustration with the dragging on of this?
It's like the Energizer Bunny. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 24th, 2009, 5:47pm

Internet connection is somewhat more stable.

Just wonder why this thing keeps on going and going and going. The Fire seems out so look for another fire, maybe a real one this time.
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Post by SiddReader on Jun 24th, 2009, 5:49pm

I am not a firefighter, so I guess, I can stay, Michael.
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Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 24th, 2009, 5:53pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 5:46pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Or else I'm real rolleyes What a retard!!!
Unbelievable...


It's all right, dear. You have almost everyone else schmoozed. Really, it's a compliment that I can't make myself believe you really are silly enough to believe all the things you profess to. Looking at the "big picture," you have had quite a career in this little soap opera.
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Post by tommi01 on Jun 24th, 2009, 6:02pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 5:53pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
believe all the things you profess to.

Go pick on someone else, you have no idea what I believe.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 24th, 2009, 6:04pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 5:08pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Elijah, what is the source of the symbols?


I second that question Elijah..

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 24th, 2009, 6:08pm

Amigos son amigos. Nada es nada.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 24th, 2009, 6:26pm

So all this B.S. is from; IA-Services.net

enoch@IA-Services.net
727-657-4825

That area code is in Florida.

They have a few clients, one is their "sister company" internalastronaut.com, and another is VirgilCrow's website.

These wack jobs are in it for the money.

I.A.'s artists;

http://www.alexgrey.com/
http://www.laffoley.com/
http://www.davidlynch.com/


Wow, and look who is on I.A.'s organizations list;
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COAST 2 COAST AM! The whole drone hoax started at C2C, that is funny...

What's even more funny is their other organization;
http://www.erowid.org/

They are a bunch of druggies!

IA-Services.net is a business, lets hope they have a business license! I checked with the state of Florida, and so far, haven't found anything. They might be operating illegally. Let's hope the IRS doesn't find out! They also have false Whois information.

http://www.chamberecommerce.com/business_license.htm


I really like the voice they used on IA-Services.net for their robot named Legion, which is a demon. The voice is the same voice used to make fun of "Tomi" in that SCC skit someone made...

Funny their e-mail is Enoch from the Bible.

Lot's of Bible references going on...

Sorry if this has all been posted, but after reading what "Elijah" (another Bible name) has said, I couldn't help but think he was on drugs, and I was right!

http://www.erowid.org/

on Jun 24th, 2009, 3:38pm, ElijahTome wrote:
This is not 'drug culture' talk, it is the basis of the ancient Vedic Teachings that predate the Old Testament by many lifetimes.




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:03pm

Hey if this dude is legit........then why not find a member near him and have him manifest a drone with a witness present??

The proof is in the pudding!!

Edit to add: Allow me to re-phrase elijah....put up or shut up! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:06pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:30pm, ElijahTome wrote:
The symbols in question have always been there, they were waiting for such time when our technological development and our use of mind altering chemicals had reached the proper sequence as to be available to open up the pathways to said Drone creation.


I think they used one-to-many mind altering chemicals.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:09pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 6:26pm, neveleeleven wrote:
http://www.davidlynch.com/



Please show us where D. Lynch can be found in there.
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Post by TheShadow on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:10pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:06pm, neveleeleven wrote:
I think they used one-to-many mind altering chemicals.



In my youth (many moons ago) i used many, and i do mean MANY. mild altering chemicals. (is that something i should admit?? grin shocked ) and i never saw no drones!!!
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Post by neveleeleven on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:15pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:09pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Please show us where D. Lynch can be found in there.


Under Artists;

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Post by blackwater on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:20pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 6:26pm, neveleeleven wrote:
Wow, and look who is on I.A.'s organizations list;
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COAST 2 COAST AM! The whole drone hoax started at C2C, that is funny...



yeah they have OMF on there to,

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Although I think "Affiliates" could be replaced with "Links we enjoy", I doubt those artists have had any contact with the Internal Astronauts.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:21pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:10pm, TheShadow wrote:
In my youth (many moons ago) i used many, and i do mean MANY. mild altering chemicals. (is that something i should admit?? grin shocked ) and i never saw no drones!!!


LOL. Maybe if you were a graphic artist, and you used mind altering drugs, you might create (manifest) a drone.

Then with your severely altered judgment, you might actually think the drone looks real. Then slip into a psychosis and believe that EVERYONE will think it looks real.... then go around telling people it is real... only to find out that not everyone is in the same psychosis.
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Post by DrDil on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:32pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:20pm, blackwater wrote:
yeah they have OMF on there to,

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Although I think "Affiliates" could be replaced with "Links we enjoy", I doubt those artists have had any contact with the Internal Astronauts.


Hi Blackwater smiley,

I think it’s probably more of a recommended sites thing as they also have the “David Lynch Foundation” as the second friend displayed on their MySpace page. (After Tesla!!)

Cheers.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:35pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:20pm, blackwater wrote:
yeah they have OMF on there to,



Yes, I knew they had some link to OMF just by noticing they use "Proboards" for their forum. Just like OMF.

on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:20pm, blackwater wrote:
Although I think "Affiliates" could be replaced with "Links we enjoy", I doubt those artists have had any contact with the Internal Astronauts.


Well, we will soon find out.

When you post a link to a website from another website and someone clicks on the link, the owners of the website have the ability to see the "reference" link... So, you could expect the owners to show up some time soon if they want to clear their name...

It's like fishing.
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Post by TheShadow on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:47pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:21pm, neveleeleven wrote:
LOL. Maybe if you were a graphic artist, and you used mind altering drugs, you might create (manifest) a drone.

Then with your severely altered judgment, you might actually think the drone looks real. Then slip into a psychosis and believe that EVERYONE will think it looks real.... then go around telling people it is real... only to find out that not everyone is in the same psychosis.


Actually I am a graphic artist. Until recently I had been the art director for a internationally distributed monthly magazine for the past 11 years. Unfortunately the economy has done terrible things to the print industry, such as the drastic decline in subscriptions this publication encountered, and i was reluctantly relieved of duty last December. Am now the publisher, designer, salesperson and distribution manager for my own small local advertising publication.

So i do have a little experience in both Psychotropics and graphic design!! WHERE'S MY DRONE DAGNABIT!!!!! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 24th, 2009, 8:33pm

Here is something I.A. didn't want us to find, since it's all been discarded (or so they thought);

Google's HTML cache of DOC from IA

It's basically a story about UFO's, Grays, and kids...

A rehash and remix of "ideas" that are found around the web like DNA manipulation, Grays, advanced technology, etc. Reminds me of Isaac's writing.

I saved a version of it in a text file, if you don't trust the link I will host the file somewhere. (It's a google link)

Here is a quote from part of it, that caught my attention;

Quote:
We will share our knowledge of physical and mental longevity and you will share your soul.


--edit add-

Nevermind, found what its for:
http://www.internalastronaut.com/tdd/old-skool/boy-meets-girl-2.swf

After looking at all the work put into this, I'm guessing they have been working on it for a very long time. Lot's of USELESS WORK was put into it... much like Isaac's LAP.

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Post by Katterfelto on Jun 24th, 2009, 9:10pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 8:33pm, neveleeleven wrote:
It's basically a story about UFO's, Grays, and kids...

The use of children in these nonsense beliefs is starting to tick me off.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 24th, 2009, 9:21pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 9:10pm, Katterfelto wrote:
The use of children in these nonsense beliefs is starting to tick me off.


You know what ticks me off? This part:

http://www.internalastronaut.com/tdd/old-skool/text.htm

Quote:
The following story is based on secret testimonials that were dictated to us from verifiable sources.


Claiming "secret" testimonials from "verifiable sources", almost like they are claiming all their B.S. is real.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 24th, 2009, 9:24pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 9:10pm, Katterfelto wrote:
The use of children in these nonsense beliefs is starting to tick me off.


I would recommend spending time reading Majestic and The Grays by our old friend and occasional archbishop, instead of the stuff on that site.

Whatever else can be said about Whitley Strieber, he is a master at this genre. He can creep the reader out while writing about kids dealing with this sort of thing, and not be creepy in the pedophile sense.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 24th, 2009, 9:25pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 9:21pm, neveleeleven wrote:
You know what ticks me off? This part:

http://www.internalastronaut.com/tdd/old-skool/text.htm



Claiming "secret" testimonials from "verifiable sources", almost like they are claiming all their B.S. is real.


Is that like "anonymous experts?"
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by blackwater on Jun 24th, 2009, 9:47pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 8:33pm, neveleeleven wrote:
After looking at all the work put into this, I'm guessing they have been working on it for a very long time. Lot's of USELESS WORK was put into it... much like Isaac's LAP.


yup, about 6 years maybe.

http://video.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=522668&member

Uploaded: October 22, 2003

Then they went back in and changed all those Japanese characters to the isaac font, very tedious work, no wonder Virgil lost it and quit. cheesy
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 24th, 2009, 9:58pm

on Jun 24th, 2009, 9:47pm, blackwater wrote:
no wonder Virgil lost it and quit. cheesy



I don't believe that actually, I think Virgil was lying.

His fingerprints are all over the place.
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Post by blackwater on Jun 24th, 2009, 10:02pm

edit:
Man you weren't kidding when you said his fingerprints are all over the place, a big W T F at the last one...


Registrant:
virgil crow
1313 mockingbird lane
clearwater, FL 33755
US

Registrar: DOTREGISTRAR
Domain Name: IA-SERVICES.NET
Created on: 07-MAY-07
Expires on: 07-MAY-10
Last Updated on: 11-MAY-09



-----------------------------------------------------


Registrant:
Virgil / Rred Crow / Walker
1313 mockingbird lane
Clearwater, FL 33675
US

Registrar: DOTREGISTRAR
Domain Name: INTERNALASTRONAUT.COM
Created on: 03-JAN-07
Expires on: 03-JAN-12
Last Updated on: 29-DEC-08



-------------------------------------------------

Domain Name: 1939-2012.COM

Registrant:
Internal Astronaut Services Inc
Enoch Elijah Melchizedek (virgilcrow@hotmail.com)
333 Post-Mortem Way
Clearwater
Florida,33755
US
Tel. +616.4996220

Creation Date: 18-Feb-2008
Expiration Date: 18-Feb-2012



------------------------------------------------


Domain name: hotfilthypanties.com

Registrant Contact:

Enoch/Elijah Tome/Melchizedek (virgilcrow@hotmail.com)

Fax:
333 Post-Mortem Way
Clearwater, FL 33755
US

Administrative Contact:

Enoch/Elijah Tome/Melchizedek (virgilcrow@hotmail.com)
+1.727 831 6737
Fax: +.
333 Post-Mortem Way
Clearwater, FL 33755
US


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2009, 02:25am

That's why I said "Jekyll & Hyde".

When Rred participated at OMF this version was not created yet. I guess the fonts were very inspiring.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2009, 03:21am

on Jun 24th, 2009, 10:02pm, blackwater wrote:
edit:
Man you weren't kidding when you said his fingerprints are all over the place, a big W T F at the last one...

hotfilthypanties.com


Yes, fingerprints, everywhere...

My guess is he is a domain reseller. Find a good domain, buy it, and wait for someone, or some company, to buy it from you. I do some of that too...


Anyway, I like this part:
http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2003-08-31/creat1lo.txt

Quote:
Yes, I have taken great quantities of hallucinogenic drugs. -Virgil


I think he might own www.psyborg.org too...

Is that correct James Grovac?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2009, 06:50am



There are some more films...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jun 25th, 2009, 09:10am

Does anyone know when the IA site started up?

I get this feeling from IA... it reminds me of a monster of the deep. rolleyes

Maybe my original though (2 years ago) was correct. Maybe this was a springboard to launch a business for our good ole buddy.

It seems to have been a good start. He/they do have talent.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2009, 09:28am

The wayback machine has captured it in 2003 already. But you only get empty pages there now.

Also, when I typed it wrong (added an -s), I found a site, which was captured back in 2001 and the text said something about an event in 2000.

And according to Virgil, he sold the domain in 2006.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 10:34am

Thank you for your questions, where to begin...

Isaac and his information is not all together incorrect, however It is vague on some points and completely inflated on others. The diagrams and schematics of the 'device' are legitimate. The details of his story however have been stretched and modified for theatrical effect.

Virgil Crow was a very resourceful man for many years, he started a great many projects and does in fact have his fingerprints everywhere on the web and beyond. Unfortunately he, as I have stated previously, is not stable enough to continue such endeavors and lives with a caretaker on a plot of land east of Tampa Florida. I have more contact with the caretaker that I do with the man himself. He blames Sebastian and Myself for things that I will not bore you with their grueling details.

In regards to the I.A. Forum: Sebastian Sine has completely fallen off the grid. He had created the Forum just prior to his disappearance. I have had a good many projects that I have been trying to accomplish as I see their deadlines quickly approach. I have neither taken the initiative nor delegated the task to another, so I guess it is a blatant oversight on my part that it is not up and running.

As far as the organizational perimeters of the I.A., we have operatives in at least 30 states that I am aware of. We have corresponded with them over the past years and sent them propaganda to disperse around in their local communities. We are not a money making organization at this point, we break even as far as elements that are sent to the operatives verses donations that are sent in. Our objective is not getting rich, it is specific to the intrinsic nature of the paradigm shift that is currently taking place within all of human consciousness.

I myself am not a drug enthusiast per say, however, I have taken of certain chemicals over the years for shamanist purposes. Anything taken into the human body has a definite and specific effect on the overall make up of the organism, so It could be said that everything ingested is a chemical substance for the propagation of said organism.

Meet The Kids: Is a historical fictitious (from the perspective of Virgil Crow) account of things that Virgil says happened to him as a child. He created the characters, layouts and storyline, however, the Drone Icon symbolism was added afterword by another designer who was given the task.

I personally have not manifested a Drone Icon that was photographed, videotaped or otherwise seen by another, however, I have witnessed the symbols in their raw form as they have danced around electrical conduits in many differing locations. The fabric of realty is basically made from their ethereal framework. The illusion of substance within this place of sequence and tangible design is a byproduct of their omnipotent power. It is literally the binary code of creation that we are talking about here. Much like the cipher in the Matrix (1999 movie).

It matters not that you believe what I am saying in regards to this torrid subject, what does matter is that we are all coming to a fork in the road very soon. Not the end, however it may be the end as we know it. Preparing the collective for the upcoming shift is the best and only thing that any person or group can hope to accomplish. As I have read through the countless paragraphs of this thread, I have come to realize that many of you are unbelievably resourceful, possessing keen intellects. I only hope that your inner sight is as bountiful as your physical/mental.

1939 World's Fair was the showcasing of 'new technology', this was the beginning of a modern age, 2012 is the end of that age, what happens beyond is up to those who were able to see through the illusion of the programmed reality and were able to realize that they are the Dreamer, what they manifest is their dream and the new reality.

Virgil Crow (virgilcrow.com) bought his first domain in 2001 I believe, I will have to check with him at some point to be sure.




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 11:01am

Sounds like tt96,randy,auntym,spotless98 all rolled into one
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 25th, 2009, 11:23am

Thank you for the information. I was curious as to your name Elijah Tome (ET) and reminds me of Engineering type (ET) as well. Are your names being chosedn to continue the meme .
I am Sorry about VC being somewhere on a plot of land or farm because of his condition. Is it business wise to continue using his name on the IA registry if he is legally insane, or lets say Troubled? Did you purchase the rights to use his name as a sort of trademark?
and if he has a guardian or caretaker handling the business
as there are several legitimate, business in the web clients portion why not use that person?
Wouldn't that make you an employee, rather than a partner..who could use a different name..

the Limo service ..listing his name..
and the Oneness meditation group with the nice lotus flower, the Venus clients with..lets just say calling exotic models service, and another now defunct one. an exercise group
in one it says virgal crow then links you to a designer in Calgary
Virgil Chow..instead..I found that odd..very nice conventional adds for cars dell, etc..was that a typo?

But what about the three amigos , Carter, Dood, and Virgil..the Roc 45 Team. (thank you Blackwater)can you tell us what that is about.
Thanx too.

I am curious about Sebastian Cine , which is an international event, and not a person as far as I can tell held in Spain..Oh..I saw were you said he fell off the grid..disregard then


On an unrelated note..
I note a similarity in style and method of operation as far as domain expansion as the AW allpowerful site, secured by the "other" IA, is your enterprise linked in anyway behind the scenes to that woods fellow in Ny or the TMPI , reminded me of the Tim Mcfall who has the SHWA site

Thank you








Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 11:48am

Virgil Crow owns all the domain names. He has complete control over the domain registry, however, nothing to do with the sites themselves. He allowed his domain name virgilcrow.com to lapse and It was picked up by a reseller who sold it to an outfit in Japan I believe. Him having the Internal Astronaut online rights wasn't really an issue because he was much more able to deal with day in and day out reality, however, now it is a bit of a problem, but again, other than his presence on this forum he has been silent for some time now.



The name Elijah Tome is my pen name, as is the name of Sebastian Sine, I am not aware of the festival in Spain, nor if it had anything to do with him picking that particular moniker.

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Post by DrDil on Jun 25th, 2009, 12:14pm

Hi again Elijah smiley,

on Jun 25th, 2009, 10:34am, ElijahTome wrote:
Thank you for your questions, where to begin...

Isaac and his information is not all together incorrect, however It is vague on some points and completely inflated on others. The diagrams and schematics of the 'device' are legitimate. The details of his story however have been stretched and modified for theatrical effect.

Hmm, stuck between a rock and a hard place…… wink

Isaac specifically stated that:

Quote:
However my intent is not to deceive, so information that I think is too risky to share will be simply left out rather than obfuscated in some way

Quote:
I'm trying to share this information, not hide it, but if I did feel that if a given topic was too sensitive for some reason, I would make it clear that I had personally covered it up and probably try to give a reason why.

IF what you say is correct then practically everything Isaac wrote is wrong as I’m afraid I don’t share your “vague” & “inflated” rationale due mainly to the words Isaac wrote (which I quote above) and from what I can gather you’re basically calling him a liar (or dangerously misinformed) which is a sentiment we share and is why I wrote:

on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:42pm, DrDil wrote:
Well firstly and I suppose the most important question/observation I have is you’re basically saying that everything Isaac wrote is absolute nonsense or at best everything he was told was absolute nonsense, would you agree? (Hopefully you do and if you do [agree] then we’re off to a flying start as we both already agree on something!! grin)


on Jun 25th, 2009, 10:34am, ElijahTome wrote:
I personally have not manifested a Drone Icon that was photographed, videotaped or otherwise seen by another, however, I have witnessed the symbols in their raw form as they have danced around electrical conduits in many differing locations.
It matters not that you believe what I am saying in regards to this torrid subject,

I agree about ‘belief’ so to speak but I do like to try and understand what I am being told or what is being claimed and as I’m unsure if you missed or misunderstood the earlier questions…..

on Jun 24th, 2009, 4:42pm, DrDil wrote:
Could you as being someone ‘in the know’ be in a position to readily differentiate between a truly manifested “byproduct of the symbols themselves” i.e. a “Drone icon" from any/all potential pretenders to the illusory throne?

Also on a similar theme and as you’re acutely aware of the Drones and considering all that you claim they infer then would I be correct in assuming that you’re in a somewhat unique position of knowing when the experiments to manifest the Drones took place and so would also be aware of the consequences which resulted from these manifestations being photographed, i.e. the resulting posting of the Drones to the internet and the specifics surrounding the reports & images?

Cheers.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 25th, 2009, 12:26pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 10:34am, ElijahTome wrote:
The Drone Icon symbolism was added afterword by another designer who was given the task.

Do you mean a designer was given the non-specific task to update/overhaul the site or was he fulfilling a direct request from you or your partner, or more simply did you or your partner provide the symbols for inclusion in the IA site?

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 25th, 2009, 12:51pm

Thanks for the quick response Elijah , I was curious about the name Sebastian sine, aside from having Satan in it..it also can say an Insane a$$ bite or inane a$$ bites..and I know the players loved word plays.

Thanx Mr. Tome , tome an enlightened book..

so Mote it be! wink from the Church of Satan..curious ehh?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 12:59pm

and where is tony now that she started this
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:01pm

TO DRDIL:

Isaac: Is/was not a person, it is/was a conglomeration of information brought together by several factions to perpetuate the the idea of Phenomenology, more specifically in regards to the ethereal symbols per Drone Icon.



The Drone Icon symbols were added to the site by a decree from Myself and/or Sebastian. The Designer then followed instructions and added the items in question. There was a specific sequence of events that were followed in the order that they were planned (not by the I.A. but by the group involved with the manifestations, we were only doing our little part). The objective was to create the suspicion that the I.A. might be involved without actually claiming it as so. This primary goal was achieved, however, It has taken a bit longer and in a smaller scale than we had hoped. It was of the upmost importance that nothing was said in regards to the details until someone had followed the clues that were left within the site. Tomi, with the help of you and other UFO theorists have followed the 'bread crumbs' and I am reporting what I can per the specifics of the agreement I had with the main group.



I have stated in a private email to Tomi that 'we were all involved in the manifestation of the illusion of flying ships over electrical lines', what I meant by the statement is that everyone conscious of the Drone Icons (including your group) has inadvertently added energy to the concept. Like the concept of Processed Theology the more time and thought placed on the subject the more it is propagated in the collect consciousness, and in so becomes more and more tangible.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:06pm

Oh lord......PUH-LEASE!!!

Ill be back in an hour i have to go drop some acid and shoot some heroin so this BS doesn't rot my brain!!!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:15pm

Hi Elijah,
Please stick around. The more the merrier.
I dare say you fit in quite nicely as this jigsaw comes together, but I hope we are all working on the same puzzle.
I think what everyone would like to see is one of those drone videos you have mentioned a few times. Or maybe a new drone photo. You mentioned you have numerous??
It would be too exciting TBH smiley
Please provide..


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:16pm

It does sound insane, or drug induced, however, I am completely sober and have actually had a psyche test last week for unrelated reasons that gave me a green light on my mental faculties. I guess that leaves three scenarios: 1. creative storyteller 2. just a plain old liar 3. I'm telling you the story from my perspective... any of the above still makes you think of things a bit differently, and so, again the objective was obtained.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:17pm

after 2 kilos of acid I saw

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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:19pm

Thats how many groups do , like releasing those japanese candles in the wtaer, or or religious vigils....to gather up steam..using objects/sigils to help accummulate power.
and presence..It just meme art or psychology ..

Elijah, Are you currently under an NDA with a commercial group like warneers, Halcyon, Zoic, or any other that you can't answer.

Or with Virgil and these two here..
Carter, Dood, (we have one of those at OM)
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=56495035&albumID=0&imageID=40637404

Thank you Zen/Blackwater , and Zentripradio for the endearing pic..Big tatoo on his arm ..doesnt look insane to me.
Are you from Tampa FL too Elijah..we have some other members from there as well.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=56495035


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:54pm

Here is what I saw on my last trip. Sure glad I had a cell phone with a decent camera! Nobody would ever believe me if I didn't bring back proof.

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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:58pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:16pm, ElijahTome wrote:
It does sound insane, or drug induced, however, I am completely sober and have actually had a psyche test last week for unrelated reasons that gave me a green light on my mental faculties. I guess that leaves three scenarios: 1. creative storyteller 2. just a plain old liar 3. I'm telling you the story from my perspective... any of the above still makes you think of things a bit differently, and so, again the objective was obtained.


No doubt from my side! I saw your site and I heard the interview. You belong to categorie number 1. But I wonder, why you still continue.

Let me guess: You are really following the rules of phenomenology. Every reaction is a reaction. It does not matter, what the reaction is. This is a creative moment. The story develops from itself.

Tell you what? I like it! That's a very inspiring thing. But still nobody likes to be fooled. - Okay, some want to be. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:03pm

too easy especially here

bad enough we get all the wierdos, don't encourage more


look what has happened on the mufon board, want that to happen here as wellhuhhuh
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:12pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:03pm, Gort wrote:
too easy especially here

bad enough we get all the wierdos, don't encourage more


look what has happened on the mufon board, want that to happen here as wellhuhhuh


Well put, Gort. I'm with you and Shads on this one. The DRT efforts have gone from pathetic to disturbed. "The more the merrier," eh, Tomi? You obviously don't care anything about quality; quantity is the thing for you. How better to obscure the real work that was going on? Nothing disrupts an intelligent conversation like a bunch of whack jobs making up stupid crap as they go.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:23pm

grin grin grin grin
What do you offer of quality?
Except those negative waves...
always the negative waves man...


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:25pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:23pm, tomi01uk wrote:
grin grin grin grin
What do you offer of quality?
Except those negative waves...
always the negative waves man...



That would depend on one's perspective. As usual, you provide more information than you would like.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:29pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:25pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
That would depend on one's perspective. As usual, you provide more information than you would like.


You have helped her more than you will know
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:34pm

If the whole thing is being made up as it moves through the ether towards reality, then the wacky nature of what is being transmitted in the next dynamic in the storyline. This has been the plan all along. Causality is inevitable in every human endeavor.

We are all fooled on some level all the time, as we also are the ones fooling others. Again, this is the nature of human relations. The directive of Phenomenology has been followed painstakingly, this is and was the prime objective.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:41pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:34pm, ElijahTome wrote:
If the whole thing is being made up as it moves through the ether towards reality, then the wacky nature of what is being transmitted in the next dynamic in the storyline. This has been the plan all along. Causality is inevitable in every human endeavor.

We are all fooled on some level all the time, as we also are the ones fooling others. Again, this is the nature of human relations. The directive of Phenomenology has been followed painstakingly, this is and was the prime objective.


Listen dude,
Maybe you should find another bandwagon to jump on. Everyone here (with the exception of the most gullible american living in the UK) has known this is nothing but a hoax for 2 years.......YOUR BS AINT GONNA FLY!! Why dont you go post a the DRT forum?? There you will be appreciated and probably even awarded a medal of some kind as being the holy grail of drone reality amongst the believers and propogators of BS
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:49pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:25pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
That would depend on one's perspective. As usual, you provide more information than you would like.


How delusional can you get, DoubleZero?

Anyway Elijah,
I'm sure we would all love to see a drone video..
Or a new photo?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:55pm

Shads:

I respect your comments and agree that it is highly unlikely that you or any of the others herein will 'buy my line', however, you will never, ever forget the exchange, therefore I am completely satisfied with this communicata even though he seem to have distain for it and myself.

Here is a thought: If a person or group were given the truth of the existence of God, I mean irrefutable truth, there would cease to be a balance within their consciousness. This would be tantamount to the end of a specific cycle of human development. It is my contention that this is what will happen in the next couple of years. I believe what will be discovered is that everything that we have perceived as real is a part of the illusion of the supreme Dreamer. We will discover that we are this Omnipotent Visionary, all else is the HOAX. The Drone Icon experiment and every other aspect of Phenomenology is merely an exercise to prepare those who are so effect to see through the varying levels of perceived reality. By doing so, they will be able to better differentiate themselves from that of the illusion of the dream. Again, this is Vedic principle not the mad bantering of a drug addict.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:01pm

I see your point, Elijah,

but since you involved yourself like this, you took too much influence. Phenomenolgy does not try to pretend, but just gives the people something to chew.

You are involving in this story too much. Maybe next time it works better.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:01pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:55pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Shads:

...however, you will never, ever forget the exchange.....


I still smoke a little weed now and then so my short term memory is not what it should be......wait......what did you say?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:02pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:55pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Shads:

I respect your comments and agree that it is highly unlikely that you or any of the others herein will 'buy my line', however, you will never, ever forget the exchange, therefore I am completely satisfied with this communicata even though he seem to have distain for it and myself.

Here is a thought: If a person or group were given the truth of the existence of God, I mean irrefutable truth, there would cease to be a balance within their consciousness. This would be tantamount to the end of a specific cycle of human development. It is my contention that this is what will happen in the next couple of years. I believe what will be discovered is that everything that we have perceived as real is a part of the illusion of the supreme Dreamer. We will discover that we are this Omnipotent Visionary, all else is the HOAX. The Drone Icon experiment and every other aspect of Phenomenology is merely an exercise to prepare those who are so effect to see through the varying levels of perceived reality. By doing so, they will be able to better differentiate themselves from that of the illusion of the dream. Again, this is Vedic principle not the mad bantering of a drug addict.


Yes yes yes.. we could all be part of some universal automata... regardless, could we please see a photo or video.. then we will begin to make progress towards real enlightenment..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:02pm

The most important thing (and its easy to lose sight of this) is not who done it or why, BUT RATHER THAT IT KEEP ON GOING (from their point of view). So while it’s nice to explore the who done it and why, be careful how the embers are fanned as this could flame up again like a California telephone pole fire.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:05pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 2:03pm, Gort wrote:
look what has happened on the mufon board, want that to happen here as wellhuhhuh


Maybe it happens, because this is the way it goes. Most of those stories are brought up by Chads, Rajmans, Shirleys, Striebers, LMHs and Roberts.

That IS Ufology, I fear.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:05pm

Tomi:

I am personally not in possession of any data that would illuminate your quest for total disclosure on the Drone Icon experiment. It is not my (nor the that of I.A.) goal to prove to you or the group herein the specific dynamics of the sightings, only that the objective was to stir your consciousness (collectively and individually) up in such a way that you would be so incline as to question what you perceive as real, illusion, good and evil.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:08pm

You succeeded. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:08pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:05pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Tomi:

I am personally not in possession of any data that would illuminate your quest for total disclosure on the Drone Icon experiment.


Gee what a total and utter surprise!! rolleyes
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:09pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:05pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Tomi:

I am personally not in possession of any data that would illuminate your quest for total disclosure on the Drone Icon experiment. It is not my (nor the that of I.A.) goal to prove to you or the group herein the specific dynamics of the sightings, only that the objective was to stir your consciousness (collectively and individually) up in such a way that you would be so incline as to question what you perceive as real, illusion, good and evil.


You probably think you invented that idea. I think you are at that awkward stage where you have fried too many brain cells for gainful employment, but not enough to be funny. Keep it up, and you may get to be in Lev's league. But please, practice somewhere else. This is embarrassing.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:16pm

DoubleNSpy:


There really has been no real original thought in many years, only the rearranging of elements towards a fresher perspective. That all anyone can hope to accomplish herein.



Perhaps it is fare to call the experiment the evolution of Phenomenology, with a more focused objective, nothing is perfect, the story may be too intricate, elusive and grueling, however, the aims were/are noble and varyingly successful.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:16pm

Don't be fooled by the one from the OK. She plays dumb, but is not. Probably a 3rd or 4th level participant, at the very very least complacent, she has money invested in this remember?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:18pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:05pm, SiddReader wrote:
Maybe it happens, because this is the way it goes. Most of those stories are brought up by Chads, Rajmans, Shirleys, Striebers, LMHs and Roberts.

That IS Ufology, I fear.



because we let it, shame on us.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:20pm

I have been contact by other UFO groups and have been corresponding with them periodically. However, they didn't do the homework like Tomi, she figured it out. If you dont want to hear anymore I will leave you all in your peace. I was contacted by you folks, not the other way around. It is your choice, I am only the messenger.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:20pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:05pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Tomi:
what you perceive as real, illusion, good and evil.


Well, I think you can see that pretty clearly here wink

So, reciprocally we need to make sure you and the group are not just using the poor drones and Isaac...
And our long labor... to capitalise.... Play or prey on the drone saga.

That has been the case so far with many large companies who have used the drone/Isaac motif.
We have seen it so many times already...

.. I know a dynamic group like yours would be prepared to provide a measure of assurance... with how cynical everyone has become, I'm sure your top tier administration must have seen ahead enough to give you the right material to bring forward to substanciate your credibility.

If not credible, what a public relations error that could be after such an investment?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:24pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:20pm, ElijahTome wrote:
I have been contact by other UFO groups and have been corresponding with them periodically. However, they didn't do the homework like Tomi, she figured it out. If you dont want to hear anymore I will leave you all in your peace. I was contacted by you folks, not the other way around. It is your choice, I am only the messenger.


Hey Elijah.. didn't you know?.. some of these geniuses here have figured out I'm Lev in drag..
amazing how perceptive they can be.. rolleyes
Too few or too many drugs as a child I think... grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:26pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:20pm, ElijahTome wrote:
I have been contact by other UFO groups and have been corresponding with them periodically. However, they didn't do the homework like Tomi, she figured it out. If you dont want to hear anymore I will leave you all in your peace. I was contacted by you folks, not the other way around. It is your choice, I am only the messenger.


Tomi did not do the research!! Your link was conveniently handed to her!!

Gee wonder why??
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:30pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:16pm, Gort wrote:
Don't be fooled by the one from the OK. She plays dumb, but is not. Probably a 3rd or 4th level participant, at the very very least complacent, she has money invested in this remember?


Oy vey.. tongue Well at least I'm comforted by the FACT that if I'm wrong at least I'm not the one who is MOST wrong grin Thank you for filling that spot for me cool
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:31pm

I have not had any contact with the 'Lev' character who has been brought up periodically. What is the story behind him and/or his group? Is there information online? I'm very interested...

Tomi:

Sorry, again, my motives here are not to prove anything, only to be the purveyor of information that causes one to ask more in depth questions. I have nothing to gain from telling this information, save my prime objective, said Neo-Phenomenology.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:32pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:26pm, TheShadow wrote:
Tomi did not do the research!! Your link was conveniently handed to her!!

Gee wonder why??


Oh IC wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:34pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:32pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Oh IC wink


What you see tends to do damage to the credibility of UFOlogy!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:37pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:31pm, ElijahTome wrote:
I have not had any contact with the 'Lev' character who has been brought up periodically. What is the story behind him and/or his group? Is there information online? I'm very interested...

Tomi:

Sorry, again, my motives here are not to prove anything, only to be the purveyor of information that causes one to ask more in depth questions. I have nothing to gain from telling this information, save my prime objective, said Neo-Phenomenology.


Yes, but it doesn't make sense.. How would any amount of investment have been thoughtfully considered if one jephordizes it?

Making profound statements about the universe and then not being able to provide back up material about an aspect engendered within is putting the credibility of the whole project and research at risk...
JMO...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:39pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:34pm, TheShadow wrote:
What you see tends to do damage to the credibility of UFOlogy!


Yes, but at least I work hard at it.. smiley
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:44pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:34pm, TheShadow wrote:
What you see tends to do damage to the credibility of UFOlogy!


Did you see where Fox news had a short news clip (could have been even shorter, non existent) where it was claimed that the Australian AG community discovered the cause of Crop Circles. You won't believe this - drunk kangaroos. I kid you not. Why even broad cast that. For chuckles, and you think the MSM is going to take this topic seriouslyhuh Not any time soon. Have another toke and run in circles new logo for yard man lawn mowers.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:48pm

Tomi,



In who's eyes are you worried about following their rules? Ufologists? Perhaps the time has come to step out of the clearly defined pathways that have been set in place by folks who are no closer to total disclosure than the rest of you. I think the problem is in the perspective of what is collectively excepted as rational and what is also considered insane. There are many varying levels of perception before, beyond and between such encapsulated ideologies.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Unium on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:49pm

Drunk kangaroos?? So then crop circles everywhere else in the world are caused by dogs and cat that enjoy an occasional tipple of whisky? Hah!

A story like that just lowers the tone of any channel, and even more for a news channel! I mean, who would believe that?

Attention cat and dog owners ( and kangaroo lovers) : Pigs really can fly ; there we are, Ufo's have just been debunked ( HA! )

cool

Peace.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:51pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:30pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Oy vey.. tongue Well at least I'm comforted by the FACT that if I'm wrong at least I'm not the one who is MOST wrong grin Thank you for filling that spot for me cool



Every one of her posts is designed to keep this going somehow. Just look for yourself!


And I'm wrong?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:51pm

Yes I wondered too..as she said WTG to him, as was said when he conviently was at the right place at all the right times.
Name one other than the hackneyed motherload..that she provided..shed any light on this.
Friend or not..she and her family played hardball to delay progress, cover for LMH and protect the PIs..to show this
was a hoax. Get the facts right..We did that.
With IA services helping AW..it was only days before we would hit on that..That it was conveniently provided by the Earth Loving and Graphics person spf33 who didnt believe the story and pushed and concealed his backgroud , denied that, yet fought when we showed the work..
Even getting high shouldn't give anyone amnesia


No one admitted to the letters, Elijah mentions the corporate absorption, but forget they follow strict legal protocols when it comes to use of material, and forgets even more the close timelines .

Then it should not be a phenomenological surprise, absent answering the those small problems ofpuse and manufacture, that the onus remains on the leviathan group, aw, and those studios......whether they borrowed from your group, or you worked along side them..whatever it is.. or not, Several pages of meaningless smokecreen and polite apologetica won't end it there..your failsafe failed.
You want kicks? Elijah..Roll up a nice one..theres more a comin
I'm surprised you Tomi didnt know anything about virgil, these clubs, or about those Tampa streets, mercury, venus, etc.. tomi..you lived right next door to them.
Perhaps thats why you felt so special about Mask..he remembers them too or you.. Or someone is really dangling some heavy duty strings on everyone here.
G'day



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:57pm

She is good at it though I'll give her that.


Found a link

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090625/od_nm/us_wallabies_odd


Kinda sounds like the drone saga, whats that song about going round and round in circles?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:06pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:57pm, Gort wrote:
She is good at it though I'll give her that.


Cant really blame tomi. She is simply a pawn being moved around the board by her masters at the DRT.

Why would SPF direct you to that site tomi?? He knew it had no relevance and yet somehow knew you would come here with it and distract from the discussion! Can you explain?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:07pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 3:57pm, Gort wrote:
Kinda sounds like the drone saga, whats that song about going round and round in circles?


Billy Preston.....I believe the lyrics were "Will it go round in circles........gonna fly high like a drone ill be in the sky-y-y!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yiYbCJitvQ

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:11pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:07pm, TheShadow wrote:
Billy Preston.....I believe the lyrics were "Going round in circles........gonna fly high like a drone ill be in the sky-y-y!!"


Yea thats it.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:19pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:06pm, TheShadow wrote:
Cant really blame tomi. She is simply a pawn being moved around the board by her masters at the DRT.

Why would SPF direct you to that site tomi?? He knew it had no relevance and yet somehow knew you would come here with it and distract from the discussion! Can you explain?


Crazy to dignify this crazy statement with a follow-up, but did it ever occur to you?? That this drone saga required artists?? Now did it??

I know that's a hard concept for you to get... Don't stretch yourself too much here.. but if names are involved with Caret motifs.. putting a certain amount of research into it might just be the prudent thing to do??
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:21pm

Lets not forget the Titor bS..also came from Florida, and The lawyer, again, Larry Haber has his own studio and movie chain to push it, along with that all to willing announcer George Noory. Unbelievably..Noory had him on again.
One thing Elijah is right..they all ran out of ideas..and stirring the pot..hopefully some new life form takes shape, the heck with the people that get food poisoning..
New meaning to out of sight out of mind
Every time there was a lawyers wanting to be actors, involved..it was a recipe for disaster..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:27pm

Elijah, could you elaborate a little about your affiliation with D. Lynch and his foundation ?

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:37pm

1st:

I dont see the benefit of attacks on Tomi or anyone else's character, it doesn't do anything except send out a negative vibration. Questioning another's motives is a far cry different than attempting to belittle or abuse another on the grounds that you no not like what they have to say. You all seem to be of a higher intellectual level, however the constant badgering seems counter productive at best.

2nd:

Mr Lynch is a genius who has been very motivational. If you look into his background you will find that he is well connected to the whole concept of programmed reality. The following link is just to wet your pallet:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2200642823213458442
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:44pm

Friend: any reality = a program. There is no absolute reality at any level just a little program to keep the sheep from running off the edge of NOTHING.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:45pm

FYI: Mr. Lynch is well aware of the Drone Icon experiment, although he was not an active participant in the sightings, he has given energy to the project.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:45pm

Masker33 :

Yep
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:48pm

Masker33 :

All reality is a programmed illusion. A vision of the Dreamer.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:49pm

Hi Elijah, I don't really care about all the connections, people, groups or whatever. The others here do a better job of seeking that type of info. cool
I'd like to know what is really suppose to happen in the near future and how any of this plays into preparing? I hear the talk, new beginnings, etc. but fail to see how it plays out.
How does one get ready for what you see coming besides being exposed to certain elements beforehand. How does that help?
Unfortunately, I should of researched this more, but since you are here and quite willing to talk (Thanks BTW smiley ) I'd be interested in your opinion.
Thank You
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:51pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:44pm, Masker33 wrote:
Friend: any reality = a program. There is no absolute reality at any level just a little program to keep the sheep from running off the edge of NOTHING.

Masker, why must you use that sheep term? Very degrading IMO. angry
Are you a sheep?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:51pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:37pm, ElijahTome wrote:
1st:

I dont see the benefit of attacks on Tomi or anyone else's character, it doesn't do anything except send out a negative vibration. Questioning another's motives is a far cry different than attempting to belittle or abuse another on the grounds that you no not like what they have to say. You all seem to be of a higher intellectual level, however the constant badgering seems counter productive at best.

2nd:

Mr Lynch is a genius who has been very motivational. If you look into his background you will find that he is well connected to the whole concept of programmed reality. The following link is just to wet your pallet:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2200642823213458442


Tomi's behavior over the past two years and more certainly is a significant issue here, but you wouldn't have any idea about that, would you? Maybe you could do us all a favor and go peruse the zillions of posts made here and elsewhere concerning the drone bs. That would keep you out of trouble for a while. Take a good stash though, it's a long, long story!

Numbers doesn't like me very much either. I consider that a compliment.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:56pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:44pm, Masker33 wrote:
Friend: any reality = a program. There is no absolute reality at any level just a little program to keep the sheep from running off the edge of NOTHING.


Elijah, meet (ahemm.. wink wink) oh yeah that's right.. Mask.. our constant companion in all this.

You both seem to have a special connection too? Maybe it's just etherial.. but you know what they say about birds of a feather.. oops.. I meant birds of prey..
Lev would have settled for nothing less. wink grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:58pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:51pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Numbers doesn't like me very much.


That my dear is the only thing we have in common..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:59pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:16pm, ElijahTome wrote:
It does sound insane, or drug induced, however, I am completely sober and have actually had a psyche test last week for unrelated reasons that gave me a green light on my mental faculties. I guess that leaves three scenarios: 1. creative storyteller 2. just a plain old liar 3. I'm telling you the story from my perspective... any of the above still makes you think of things a bit differently, and so, again the objective was obtained.

on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:58pm, SiddReader wrote:
No doubt from my side! I saw your site and I heard the interview. You belong to categorie number 1. But I wonder, why you still continue.

I think that there’s an important distinction here that needs making and the distinction is that ALL liars are creative story-tellers but more importantly is that all creative story-tellers are NOT liars.

Surely when a creative story-teller tries to pass off one of his stories as the truth or as based in reality (however warped) then they instantly become a liar.




Purely in my opinion but worse still is trying to justify misleading or intentionally deceptive words and/or actions by claiming to be obeying a higher power, or claiming you are helping to facilitate disclosure, or elevating the collective consciousness to a higher vibration etc. etc. and I would generally categorise such as typifying of ‘delusions of grandeur,’ except that in this particular case I don’t believe that entirely explains this recent turn of events.

My reasoning for this being that personally I don’t doubt for a second that Elijah knows full well his recent revelations are based on nothing more than the fabricated Isaac account which furnished the original hoax. I’d also hazard a guess that he’s well aware of the CG-related arguments which are part and parcel of the original Drones and also that he’s aware of the discrepancies which have been raised surrounding the Isaac documentation as well as the well documented fact that now both the Drones & Isaac are inextricably linked to –and almost universally recognised as a- hoax.

If I wanted to try and muscle in on the original hoax then I would do much the same as Elijah has, i.e. completely refute the authenticity of the Isaac documents by claiming both prior and insider knowledge then proceed to distinguish between what has been claimed from what I’m claiming and ultimately distance myself from what is now accepted as an internet hoax. I’d do this while still relying heavily on the more successful (which are now tried and tested) aspects of the original releases, this is easily gauged by perusing the forums which have discussed this in any depth and seeing which aspects resonated most with any interested parties.

Again this is all personal opinion but I believe that the Drones wouldn’t have retained a fraction of their momentum if it wasn’t for Isaac and the LAP, or more specifically the bastardized common-day font/s which purport to be “magical” in the truest sense of the word, and which when compiled into the LAP schematics supplied by Isaac elevated the entire hoax into a different (and vastly more unique) league.

“A thing of beauty is a joy forever”?

I don’t think there’s any member here that believes what Elijah claims and I suspect that those who are interested in what Elijah writes are more interested in fathoming out whether he was in any way involved with the original hoax, which for the record I don’t believe he was.

I feel that he’s more of a perpetuator than a perpetrator if you like…..




Having said all this anyone who has read more than a couple of my posts on any Drone-related thread on any forum or visited any of my websites shouldn’t need telling that I am possibly the most openly vocal Drone critic on the internet. I am not (nor ever have been) of the opinion that the Drones are anything other than an internet hoax, a modern meme. (At a stretch then possibly an experiment of some description but certainly not one which involves anything remotely similar to that which Elijah describes (IF they were orchestrated in order to disseminate data then in my opinion it can only be to study either the transfer of the information itself or (more likely) by someone involved with one or more of the social sciences).

Neither am I sympathetic to the possibility of a Drone-friendly reality but this shouldn’t and doesn’t prevent me from being civil to other members and so once again, I politely ask ALL members to refrain from attempting to police the forum and trying to coerce those who don’t share the same or similar view to leave, in fact (apart from the inherently biased registration procedure) then how is this tact any different from what the DRT do and what I amongst many others here have publicly lambasted them for?

If any member feels that this is unacceptable then either terminate your membership or don’t post as to be honest if you can’t debate, disagree or relay your opinion without heaping on ridicule and personal insults then you have more pressing matters to deal with than anything related to the Drones.

Many thanks in advance.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:00pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:45pm, ElijahTome wrote:
FYI: Mr. Lynch is well aware of the Drone Icon experiment, although he was not an active participant in the sightings, he has given energy to the project.

What proof do you have. of that.Your word.?..
thats like saying Im sick, but I know my brother being my brother, keeps me in his prayers..actually my brothers and I do't get along very well..
and the other people listed as affiliate bloom and laffoyel and grey..are they aware of and supported the drone icon experiment too through their contacts in the art and music industry?
If this was a voluntary collective..all would have to be in accord..inclusing putting it out on TV as Warners..did..are they part of your collective too..
2. You mentioned that all this pre existed somewhere, can you point out anywhere where you see levs design work and LAP design. or The lap itself..besides that site and TV?


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:01pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:45pm, ElijahTome wrote:
FYI: Mr. Lynch is well aware of the Drone Icon experiment, although he was not an active participant in the sightings, he has given energy to the project.


Just how big is this movement??
I wanted to ask you about Grant Morrison.. his book "The Invisibles" is part and parcel of your site..??
It does have 10 main principles from his book.
Is he aware of or does he associate with your group?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:03pm

Masker, why must you use that sheep term? Very degrading IMO.
Are you a sheep?

Yes at some point a sheep, at others a wolf and so are most other things.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:04pm

KATTERFELTO:

The most important thing that anyone can do to prepare themselves for the upcoming shift is to become aware of the divinity that they possess within. The world of Ego has most people confused by its programmed illusion and has led them down a path of eventual oblivion. This is not a Good or Evil dynamic, merely based on Dreamer or Dream. The vision is soon to end, the illusion will pass and what is left is the Dreamer. If you so choose to accept the omnipotent aspects of your essence then you too will wake as said Dreamer, if not you merely fade away into nothingness. This is a basic Vedic principle.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:05pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:59pm, DrDil wrote:
I think that there’s an important distinction here that needs making and the distinction is that ALL liars are creative story-tellers but more importantly is that all creative story-tellers are NOT liars.

Surely when a creative story-teller tries to pass off one of his stories as the truth or as based in reality (however warped) then they instantly become a liar.




Purely in my opinion but worse still is trying to justify misleading or intentionally deceptive words and/or actions by claiming to be obeying a higher power, or claiming you are helping to facilitate disclosure, or elevating the collective consciousness to a higher vibration etc. etc. and I would generally categorise such as typifying of ‘delusions of grandeur,’ except that in this particular case I don’t believe that entirely explains this recent turn of events.

My reasoning for this being that personally I don’t doubt for a second that Elijah knows full well his recent revelations are based on nothing more than the fabricated Isaac account which furnished the original hoax. I’d also hazard a guess that he’s well aware of the CG-related arguments which are part and parcel of the original Drones and also that he’s aware of the discrepancies which have been raised surrounding the Isaac documentation as well as the well documented fact that now both the Drones & Isaac are inextricably linked to –and almost universally recognised as a- hoax.

If I wanted to try and muscle in on the original hoax then I would do much the same as Elijah has, i.e. completely refute the authenticity of the Isaac documents by claiming both prior and insider knowledge then proceed to distinguish between what has been claimed from what I’m claiming and ultimately distance myself from what is now accepted as an internet hoax. I’d do this while still relying heavily on the more successful (which are now tried and tested) aspects of the original releases, this is easily gauged by perusing the forums which have discussed this in any depth and seeing which aspects resonated most with any interested parties.

Again this is all personal opinion but I believe that the Drones wouldn’t have retained a fraction of their momentum if it wasn’t for Isaac and the LAP, or more specifically the bastardized common-day font/s which purport to be “magical” in the truest sense of the word, and which when compiled into the LAP schematics supplied by Isaac elevated the entire hoax into a different (and vastly more unique) league.

“A thing of beauty is a joy forever”?

I don’t think there’s any member here that believes what Elijah claims and I suspect that those who are interested in what Elijah writes are more interested in fathoming out whether he was in any way involved with the original hoax, which for the record I don’t believe he was.

I feel that he’s more of a perpetuator than a perpetrator if you like…..




Having said all this anyone who has read more than a couple of my posts on any Drone-related thread on any forum or visited any of my websites shouldn’t need telling that I am possibly the most openly vocal Drone critic on the internet. I am not (nor ever have been) of the opinion that the Drones are anything other than an internet hoax, a modern meme. (At a stretch then possibly an experiment of some description but certainly not one which involves anything remotely similar to that which Elijah describes (IF they were orchestrated in order to disseminate data then in my opinion it can only be to study either the transfer of the information itself or (more likely) by someone involved with one or more of the social sciences).

Neither am I sympathetic to the possibility of a Drone-friendly reality but this shouldn’t and doesn’t prevent me from being civil to other members and so once again, I politely ask ALL members to refrain from attempting to police the forum and trying to coerce those who don’t share the same or similar view to leave, in fact (apart from the inherently biased registration procedure) then how is this tact any different from what the DRT do and what I amongst many others here have publicly lambasted them for?

If any member feels that this is unacceptable then either terminate your membership or don’t post as to be honest if you can’t debate, disagree or relay your opinion without heaping on ridicule and personal insults then you have more pressing matters to deal with than anything related to the Drones.

Many thanks in advance.




grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:06pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:04pm, ElijahTome wrote:
KATTERFELTO:

The most important thing that anyone can do to prepare themselves for the upcoming shift is to become aware of the divinity that they possess within. The world of Ego has most people confused by its programmed illusion and has led them down a path of eventual oblivion. This is not a Good or Evil dynamic, merely based on Dreamer or Dream. The vision is soon to end, the illusion will pass and what is left is the Dreamer. If you so choose to accept the omnipotent aspects of your essence then you too will wake as said Dreamer, if not you merely fade away into nothingness. This is a basic Vedic principle.




This would go better on the Mufon board.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:06pm

Elijah likes masker and Tomi,

I like him.

So we have our own circle.

I like gags, but sometimes people don't find any end and I get sleepy, before they finally come to en end.

Nevertheless, some new ideas here.

There is a show on our tv, where children are asked to sing a song. One boy sang a song with the following refrain:

This is how a cowboy rides
A cowboy rides like this
Yes, this is how a cowboy rides
A cowboy rides like this

Of course, he had to swing his phenomenological lasso around his body.

Now, the problem was, he never stopped! There were hundreds of verses and you had to listen to this refrain a hundreds of times.

I like Elijah's input with that phenomenology, but now the cowboy is riding and everybody is singing that song.

This is how the aliens fly,
The aliens fly like this
Yes, this is how the aliens fly,
The aliens fly like this!

That is, why Elijah came, why Isaac came, why I came. Not vice versa. At the beginning there was - not the word, not the deed, not the thought...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:13pm

LOL!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:14pm

User Image
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:25pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:04pm, ElijahTome wrote:
KATTERFELTO:

The most important thing that anyone can do to prepare themselves for the upcoming shift is to become aware of the divinity that they possess within. The world of Ego has most people confused by its programmed illusion and has led them down a path of eventual oblivion. This is not a Good or Evil dynamic, merely based on Dreamer or Dream. The vision is soon to end, the illusion will pass and what is left is the Dreamer. If you so choose to accept the omnipotent aspects of your essence then you too will wake as said Dreamer, if not you merely fade away into nothingness. This is a basic Vedic principle.



I remember last night you said that there would not be a major apocalypse, so what exactly do you see happening that will effect such major shifts without an apocalypse?

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:35pm

He thinks, you could see the truth suddenly, dear!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:37pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:35pm, SiddReader wrote:
He thinks, you could see the truth suddenly, dear!


Well, then he's an optimist ! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:52pm

Tomi:

The shift will be specific to the individual, as Mask has so masterfully pointed out, everything is a program. Well, each program will be rebooted. What happens next depends on the prearranged objectives of the individual. ()
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:53pm

Edit since Elijah was first. This post was meant to Tomi:

Nice to see your humor!

I just heard, Michael Jackson died.

So we lost our last connection to the outer world.

Now we have to do it alone!

May Elijah be with us!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:53pm

To see THE TRUTH requires there being A TRUTH.
BTW, what religion says the biological human is long term?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:56pm

The Fraternal Order of the Blooming Tin Can?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:00pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:53pm, Masker33 wrote:
To see THE TRUTH requires there being A TRUTH.


You doubt in truth? Yes, I can imagine, why. I believed in truth and had to accept at one point, that truth can be very individual.

Otherwise I would not post here at all.

See, Elijah, what you make us talk about. One more Ass like that and I will join your... way of thinking.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:01pm

Again, TRUTH is a matter of interpretation. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:02pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:56pm, ElijahTome wrote:
The Fraternal Order of the Blooming Tin Can?


Getting back to my questions.. hate to be noodge,
..but, I would really like your take on those things..
esp.. The Invisibles and how it relates, as well as Morrison.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:20pm

In regards to the DC Comic? I have nothing but a cursory knowledge of the subject. I would say that Daniel Clowes and his 'Like A Velvet Hand Cast In Iron' had more of a specific effect than most.



http://www.fantagraphics.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=1286&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=62&vmcchk=1&Itemid=62

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:22pm

hand...glove...mitten...whatever! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:26pm

I hope all of you can see through Elijahs b.s.

First off, Elijah has put himself up on a pedestal, and has convinced himself that he is some how more enlightened, and or knowledgeable about reality than others. He for some reason thinks he is in a position to "teach", when in reality, the second he used mind altering chemicals he mentally separated himself from the true reality. He put himself into an alternate dream state, a psychosis.

He for some reason believes that people are not capable of "original thought" without some type of external catalyst such as drugs, or lies hidden in fictional stories, hoaxes, or websites with flash animations, and has taken the responsibility to "stimulate minds" of perfect strangers because he for some reason thinks his version of reality is better than anyone else's.

He forgot the golden rule, the golden life lesson. Everyone is on their own journey, and there is nothing you can say or do to magically get people to see things the way you do. Everyone has their own perspective, and their own perspective didn't, and will never, experience things the same way that you did. They didn't, and will never, have the exact same experiences that you did, so you can never get them to see life the way you do. Your life is/was a series of experiences that creates an equation, and the summation of that equation is what makes and breaks your perspective of reality.

Elijah, which is his fake name, is actually doing the opposite of what he thinks he is doing. When you create these websites with these flash animations in hopes of "getting people to think different" by confusing them, what you are really doing is brainwashing them from seeing natural reality, and subliminally implanting a false reality into them.

Imagine a young kid (still in the beginning of his journey) comes across the I.A. website created by druggies. It claims to have "factual secret information", and continues to talk about UFOs and aliens wanting human souls. YOU ARE GOING TO TURN THEIR DREAM STATE INTO A NIGHTMARE. Is that what you want?

In the past, people like Elijah were usually burned at the stake.

The people who continually push the beliefs that the physical world is useless, unimportant, and nothing more than an illusion, are the same people who abuse the physical world, take it for granted, and have no clue about the true existence of God.

Programmed reality, LOL. You are just another person who doesn't fully understand the importance of mathematics and geometry. Do you know why they say God is perfect?

Virgil Crow, Elijah Tome, those are really fake names. What are you hiding from? God?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:27pm

Absolute truth requires an absolute position or placement in something somewhere and NOTHING like that exists within any frame of reference available to a mass anything. No believers sought, please believe as you choose, you clear the FIELDS for others of a different need.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:40pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:04pm, ElijahTome wrote:
The most important thing that anyone can do to prepare themselves for the upcoming shift is.....



Upcoming shift. So then, you are pretending to be able to see the future. That is your biggest flaw.

You are just another Blossom Goodchild.

Just another 2012 freak, who has no clue what 2012 is about, and so you are making wild guesses.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:41pm

neveleeleven :
grin


Well said, you are perfectly correct in most of what you are saying. However, i must point out that I never said the 'Natural Reality' was of little significance, what I said is that those who put all of their eggs into the physical world with little or no regard for the ethereal are missing more of the picture. It is an experiment, the I.A. is a series of test patterns that were not created with any specific agenda save the aforementioned desire to expand perception.



I am not on a pedestal, nor do I wish to be upon such a perilous height, what I have done is spend a good many years in school (I even learned complex mathematical equations) studying Comparative Religion, Processed Theology and Sociology. I am not telling you that you are wrong about anything, I am merely giving you the information that you and your group are inquiring.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:42pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:20pm, ElijahTome wrote:
In regards to the DC Comic? I have nothing but a cursory knowledge of the subject. I would say that Daniel Clowes and his 'Like A Velvet Hand Cast In Iron' had more of a specific effect than most.



http://www.fantagraphics.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=1286&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=62&vmcchk=1&Itemid=62


When I listened to Morrisons lecture on disinfo, I thought immediately that there must be a connection here.. Guess my laterial thinking goes a bit too far sometimes... tongue
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:44pm

neveleeleven : grin



If what I am saying is so wrong, or flawed, please show me the error of my ways.

Again, you came to me, I am only continuing this dialog because you wish to communicate, obviously I am more interesting to you than you care to let on?

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:45pm

is it a crush? grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:47pm

So...enough about me...How bout them Dronez? grin
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Post by masker33 on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:51pm

Elijahel,
Just provide your information and continue past. Fish a little if you want, but don't be taken by a mere reflection. Are they needful of knowing, does it matter?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:51pm

Thats ok tomi..Thats ok Elijah..

But I wish you would explain the pix below, and are you one of those people..

I know Virgil, in the middle, was fascinated by his own personal experieences and abduction, and I thought at some point he might be working on some therapy prescribed by an online shrink..lots of them all over..

but the second pic with the delicate panties..has me a tad
perplexed.
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.is there a parallel exposure movement tagging along with disclosure.. smiley

hey..don't get me wrong..people pay thousands for panties like that I hear..

If you can sit on it...sell it..I say..
cheesy

I didn't know sebastian , john skalberg was from Oregon and had relocated to Tampa florida. he was also the member of the 2005 band konnichi wa. A little drone told me..
Those Oregonians are something else! They are manifesting everywhere! Somebody .please tell me whats going on, and why they are here all of a sudden..!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:54pm

Interesting Pic...if you notice on the neck of the guy in the middle, isnt that a tattoo of a familiar subject? Hmmm
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:56pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:04pm, ElijahTome wrote:
<snip>

If you so choose to accept the omnipotent aspects of your essence then you too will wake as said Dreamer, if not you merely fade away into nothingness. This is a basic Vedic principle.

I’m not criticising the Vedic theology but to be fair it’s more the basic religious principle and as usual is fear-based (which is usually demanded by the deity of choice) to prey on both human insecurities and fundamental human fear. (With a few exceptions most notably Buddhism).

Hell, nothingness, eternal d@mnation unless you embrace their teachings, what’s the difference?

on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:41pm, ElijahTome wrote:
neveleeleven :

<snip>

I am not telling you that you are wrong about anything, I am merely giving you the information that you and your groupare inquiring.

on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:01pm, ElijahTome wrote:
TO DRDIL:

<snip>

I have stated in a private email to Tomi that 'we were all involved in the manifestation of the illusion of flying ships over electrical lines', what I meant by the statement is that everyone conscious of the Drone Icons (including your group) has inadvertently added energy to the concept.

Again with the group?

While I can’t speak for Nev there is no organised group the likes of which you refer that collectively seeks information from you, but if there was then the question is perhaps best epitomised by:

on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:00pm, Frank Zappa wrote:
2. You mentioned that all this pre existed somewhere, can you point out anywhere where you see levs design work and LAP design. or The lap itself..besides that site and TV?



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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:56pm

As for the panties...it was a domain I set up for a friend honest. I dont sell my old panties, I keep them for posterity.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 7:05pm

DRDIL:

The nothingness of void seems a bit less daunting than Eternal Damnation, dont you think?

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 7:05pm

D-A-M-Nation grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2009, 7:06pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:44pm, ElijahTome wrote:
If what I am saying is so wrong, or flawed, please show me the error of my ways.



Gladly will do...

Let's start here:

on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:41pm, ElijahTome wrote:
I am merely giving you the information that you and your group are inquiring.


There is another flaw. I am not a group, nor am I inquiring any information from you. Actually, I am just another person who is looking for the scumbag liars that created the drone HOAX so I can humiliate them in the public eye.

If you wish to involve yourself with, or pretend to be, or pretend to know anything about, a part of the original drone HOAX, then you should expect to get humiliated too..

on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:41pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Again, you came to me, I am only continuing this dialog because you wish to communicate, obviously I am more interesting to you than you care to let on?


Yet another flaw, I did not come to you. You came here... Ive been discussing the drone HOAX 2 years before I even heard of you and your drug induced dream.

Since you have and use symbols directly related to this drone HOAX, and Isaac, you now have been added to a list of potential suspects.

Obviously, if you were involved in any way with the HOAX, I don't expect you to give us anything we don't already know. I actually expect you to talk gibberish, promote your drug induced dream, and pretend to know things that you don't, as to add an element of mystery, because mystery sells.

Unfortunately for you, I am the force of energy in your existence that can see right through you. I will not be looking at anything you say, but I will be looking between the lines.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 7:27pm

Finally! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 25th, 2009, 7:32pm

BTW, I came here because of the emails that I received from Tomi and others. However, I understand that you are not a Group per say, although your tendencies are rather predictable within the scope of your 'ilk'?

But I can take wahtever you think you need to get off your chest.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 7:40pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:56pm, ElijahTome wrote:
As for the panties...it was a domain I set up for a friend honest. I dont sell my old panties, I keep them for posterity.


Whose panties?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2009, 7:41pm

Who are these people sitting in at a table at a T.G.I. Friday's in Clearwater Florida?

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Virgil, I know you know..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 25th, 2009, 8:02pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 7:40pm, Gort wrote:
Whose panties?


last page 25 middle post by me..if you hurry you can catch a sale on them cheesy
TGI..They are so overated..Nice picture..nev who is that lovely lady?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 25th, 2009, 8:03pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 7:32pm, ElijahTome wrote:
BTW, I came here because of the emails that I received from Tomi and others. However, I understand that you are not a Group per say, although your tendencies are rather predictable within the scope of your 'ilk'?

And you received the emails because you displayed the same symbols as Isaac on your website, and incidentally the earliest reference I could find to it (IA.com) in its current guise is over a year after the original Drones were posted to the internet, do you have any evidence that can directly refute this?

Anyway, while you may be here because of Tomi contacting you she only contacted you because of the symbols that you authorised a designer to implement and display throughout your website, so I guess ultimately you are here for much the same reason as I suspect you originally posted the symbols to your site, whether that be acclaim, recruitment, recognition, notoriety, 15 minutes of fame etc. etc. it’s not really my call to make.

However I do struggle to believe that it’s because one of your parents believe they projected what they perceived as a group hallucination into what we accept as reality while experiencing a self-induced hallucinogenic psychosis, but to be fair I guess I could be described as naturally cynical.

Finally would you care to elaborate on what you mean by ‘ilk’ which it appears you so readily ascribe to those of a differing personal belief?

Cheers.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2009, 8:10pm

Elijah,
When did the Caret symbols get incorporated into the web site.

also:
Daniel Clowes, did you say you were affiliated with him or you just admire his work.

also:
When was that picture taken of the 3 lads?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 25th, 2009, 8:35pm

So is there a sign somewhere pointing to this thread, you know, like the old hobo symbols, saying "Attention Ho's Indulged?" Just wondering.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 25th, 2009, 8:44pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 8:02pm, Frank Zappa wrote:
last page 25 middle post by me..if you hurry you can catch a sale on them cheesy
TGI..They are so overated..Nice picture..nev who is that lovely lady?


Some guy is saving his panties? Thats sick.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 25th, 2009, 8:44pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 8:35pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
So is there a sign somewhere pointing to this thread, you know, like the old hobo symbols, saying "Attention Ho's Indulged?" Just wondering.

Hmm, is that how you found it? laugh
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 25th, 2009, 9:14pm

Thanx zen again for the heads up..

This is kewl

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This is kewl last seen 2005 on way back IA site itself.
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for relaxtion after the astral travel...
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take a ride and stop here..
This is hot..from a link in the clients section
http://www.socialchat.net/index.php?_o=Model&_m=m_list_vip

Its the nature of the beast really..we preach, meditate, yoga, in the am on one hand..then cruise the blvd at night with the other..or even Raj..drones and Porno pix..
Spf kept them for himself..or was that fore.cheesy
Has anyone else seen them?
the eternal paradox.

If you are looking for spritual enlightenment..this aint the place..
though you can sign up at the oness center for a 400or more dollar workshop..
to search within..

like he said..you make your journey what it is..its up to you..
I can't fault him ..
It reminds me of the Jonathan Nolan Pisces chase a bit. when he claimed he or his partner had a live witness artist in AU..aka spirals..but did not..just wanted traffic to his site.. we went Spirals there too..like here.

Imo..This was to take the heat off PIs DRT and Lev..as they have other things coming up.

I see no.. connection to Isaac until after 2008, and they are quick studies
They might know..but sure aint gonna snitch..and the ones that did it..have an nDA.
like Isaac said..a hefty NDA.

cool grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 25th, 2009, 11:06pm

So I'm brand new at this guru thing, but I'm a fairly fast learner if it's something I'm interested in. This seems like a good career move, since the drone thing hasn't paid worth a hoot for over a year now.

I've noticed that I'm not the only one around here raised Catholic, so this should go pretty smoothly if I do my homework. It might help me launch my new career, however, if I had some idea of what kinds of things y'all are interested in. The old Vedic stuff is intriguing. The directions for making your flying saucer go sound like lots of fun. Heat mercury in a shallow pan over the ninth kind of fire, or something like that. Seems like there is lots of room there for endless debate about proper translation, cutting edge physics theory, how much mercury one can inhale before deciding to run for political office, and so on. What do you think?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jun 26th, 2009, 08:35am

on Jun 25th, 2009, 8:03pm, DrDil wrote:
And you received the emails because you displayed the same symbols as Isaac on your website, and incidentally the earliest reference I could find to it (IA.com) in its current guise is over a year after the original Drones were posted to the internet, do you have any evidence that can directly refute this?

Anyway, while you may be here because of Tomi contacting you she only contacted you because of the symbols that you authorised a designer to implement and display throughout your website, so I guess ultimately you are here for much the same reason as I suspect you originally posted the symbols to your site, whether that be acclaim, recruitment, recognition, notoriety, 15 minutes of fame etc. etc. it’s not really my call to make.

However I do struggle to believe that it’s because one of your parents believe they projected what they perceived as a group hallucination into what we accept as reality while experiencing a self-induced hallucinogenic psychosis, but to be fair I guess I could be described as naturally cynical.

Finally would you care to elaborate on what you mean by ‘ilk’ which it appears you so readily ascribe to those of a differing personal belief?

Cheers.


Wow, apparently E.T. followed Tomi here to dialogue and accomplish exactly what?

Perhaps the DRT site is "functionally defunct" in internal astronaut doublespeak or just plain nonessential anymore, and E.T. said that the ufocasebook site has a "scope" here that has some "ilk" to it. Or some such and so forth.

Since the internalastronaut.com mothership site has so view visitors and even fewer forum participants and topics, one can only conclude that DrDil is 100% correct in his assessment above.

Even a better snapshot on the internal astronaut MySpace page states encouraging phrases like these:

"The ongoing saga of manipulation . . . A collective individual representing all those who seek to explore the depths of their own unknown . . . with complex and yet to be fully explored, fringe theories and concepts."

So ‘welcome' and make yourself right at home, Laddie!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Jun 26th, 2009, 08:51am

Elijah....I ask once again, the symbols on your IA site, the Isaac symbols, the symbols you claim are everywhere, what is their origin? And how do you know their origin?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 26th, 2009, 09:05am

@ jedyhi He doesn't or they would have been part of that earliest works..appearing here the there..no evolution sayve that 7 with equal sign which was around before him I believe.
But its ok to give the illusion of ownership, because the True owner wont come out. As long as that continues..a million Elijahs and domain artists can come around. and do the same..
Imagine smiley They (symbols) are everywhere..but..we can't find them right now, or even our version..

@New Age Guru..WE can do a Grand Tour together..We had to get rid of the last Bloke and fake Guru hittin on our chicks while we had our eyes closed and meditating..amazing..telling us to abandon all earthly desires, while he collected them.
Kind of like Elijah really..but hey..You sound like the real Mcoy to me.
Hop On Our Magical Mystery tour!

Todays Isaacs Birthday! Now where do you want those two candles Ike?
grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 26th, 2009, 09:19am

Beatles! Cool. I'll be a few minutes, 'cause I'm still cobbling together my half-baked belief system, but I'll take you up on your generous offer. Thanks!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2009, 10:29am

on Jun 26th, 2009, 09:05am, TheBeatles wrote:
Todays Isaacs Birthday! Now where do you want those two candles Ike?
grin


Bad news! Just read this at OMF:

"I would say: The drones project was a complex sting operation to flush Isaac, who was the 'real thing', and now is dead. "

We must put the candles around his death bed. But this guy still will sing him a happy birthday song, when he enters the room.

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And we now know, who Isaac was. Or does anybody think, it is a coincidence that Michael Jackson died in the same time?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 26th, 2009, 11:07am

Cat Ballou! What a funny movie. I think it's my favorite Lee Marvin movie. My favorite quote, via imdb:

Quote:
Jackson Two-Bears: Kid, Kid, what a time to fall off the wagon. Look at your eyes.
Kid Sheleen: What's wrong with my eyes?
Jackson Two-Bears: Well they're red, bloodshot.
Kid Sheleen: You ought to see 'em from my side.


I always wondered about that Jackson fellow...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 26th, 2009, 11:09am

Hahahahaha That was good..
That is funny..That sounds like Kenray .hypothesis..
He was a Good example of can't dazzle with brilliance..Dazzle with BS. like woy..with Gall..
Being the optimist I am I have invited the member of that complex operation to the
Birthday Bash to be held in our collective imagination
Its a big list..Lets stop filming..cut!
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http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/sys_config/ScreenHunter_16Jun261145.jpg

Even IA and DRT invited., spf and 11A and numbers can take pictures.They will know how to make them right.


Note of ..Pause to remember Michael Jackson..He did a olot of good..but..he like to collect dirty underwear too.
A common thread is running here that bonds them ..even With all the scared witnesses.and Lev...plenty of soiled undershorts to sell...

perhaps IA s site could have helped him before it got worse.
cry
But let us celebrate Isaac..remember the living!


PS BYOBB
Bring your own brown bag grin
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Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 26th, 2009, 11:25am

SiddReader, New Guru,
Some movie trivia about that particular scene with Lee Marvin. When the movie was originally released in 1965 that scene was quite different. They had to rehearse it several times to get the horse to cooperate. When the movie was edited for the premier the editor took one of the rehearsal scenes in stead of the correct one and when you see Kid Shaleen it was at a slightly different angle and behind the horse was an old Harley leaning against the wall. I was at the premier showing in Kansas City, KS and everyone in the theater was laughing about the scene. They fixed it about a week later by calling in all the prints and reediting!! Great movie and one of my favorites also!

Lone
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 26th, 2009, 11:52am

Well, I hope Elijah comes back like he said he would..
In time to save me from the ultimate fate.. smiley
(they are gonna hang me otherwise... wink)

Elijah,
When did the Caret symbols get incorporated into the web site.

also:
When was that picture taken of the 3 lads?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 26th, 2009, 12:00pm

43 minutes. Not like the old days, but not bad.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2009, 12:16pm

@New Age Guru: Oh, was it a picture of Lee Marvin? I thought I had found a picture of Virgil Crow!

@LoneGunMan: I never heard about that before, but it sounds so funny, that they would add it at the end of the film today. You know, like in all those Jacky Chan films and meanwhile also in some animations.

Too bad, I only know the German version of the film. They translated all the songs. I guess, it was done good in this case, but I would prefer to hear the originals.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 26th, 2009, 12:24pm

I remember seeing Lee Marvin on the Tonight Show long ago. This is probably not exactly the way it went, but as I recall Johnny was having trouble getting anything out of him other than "Yep," "Nope," and "Not really." Finally, in apparent frustration, Johnny said, "You don't talk much, do you?" Lee replied, "Nope."

Thanks, Lone. That was an interesting bit of history.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 26th, 2009, 1:01pm

Lee Marvin..I loved so much of his stuff..speaking on topic of impersonations we keep coming across..
Here he is with Donald Southerland in the Dirty Dozen..
where Donald impersonates a General doing a review of troops.

I wonder if DRT could pass a general inspection
or who can they get to impersonate Isaac , The Generalsmiley



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 26th, 2009, 2:27pm

on Jun 26th, 2009, 08:35am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Wow, apparently E.T. followed Tomi here to dialogue and accomplish exactly what?

Perhaps the DRT site is "functionally defunct" in internal astronaut doublespeak or just plain nonessential anymore, and E.T. said that the ufocasebook site has a "scope" here that has some "ilk" to it. Or some such and so forth.

Hi Klat & welcome back/onboard!! grin

I hope you’re feeling a little better and it certainly looks like it with your latest post.

Cheers. wink

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 26th, 2009, 2:41pm

Klatuu... salutes cool >
we may get somewhere now.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 26th, 2009, 3:33pm

on Jun 25th, 2009, 6:47pm, ElijahTome wrote:
So...enough about me...How bout them Dronez? grin

If or when you do return Elijah then could you please address the following as I couldn’t help but notice there’s a couple of questions being constantly repeated by several members and these questions have a recurring theme, a few of these questions were as follows:

on Jun 24th, 2009, 5:08pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Elijah, what is the source of the symbols?

on Jun 24th, 2009, 6:04pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I second that question Elijah..

on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:00pm, TheBeatles wrote:
You mentioned that all this pre existed somewhere, can you point out anywhere where you see levs design work and LAP design. or The lap itself..besides that site and TV?

on Jun 25th, 2009, 8:03pm, DrDil wrote:
The earliest reference I could find to it (IA.com) in its current guise is over a year after the original Drones were posted to the internet, do you have any evidence that can directly refute this?

on Jun 25th, 2009, 8:10pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Elijah,
When did the Caret symbols get incorporated into the web site.

on Jun 26th, 2009, 11:52am, tomi01uk wrote:
Elijah,
When did the Caret symbols get incorporated into the web site.


on Jun 26th, 2009, 08:51am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Elijah....I ask once again, the symbols on your IA site, the Isaac symbols, the symbols you claim are everywhere, what is their origin? And how do you know their origin?


So Elijah, even though you claim that you are not to here to provide proof of the Drones you must be able to understand that the above questions have absolutely nothing to do with establishing the Drones as a real-world phenomenon and instead have everything to do with you providing proof you’re not just (yet) another ‘pretender to the throne.’

This can easily be accomplished by by providing proof that there’s a shred of truth to the crux of your story, i.e. evidence that you were in possession of or had prior knowledge the Isaac symbols before the 26th June 2007. Because IF as you say this was all part of a plan (which is still being adhered to) then surely retaining evidence that could provide this proof would be a fundamental requirement to all except the most incompetent architects of any such plan?

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2009, 4:12pm

Elijah has nothing to say.

But maybe he could explain, why Virgil appeared right before him. Since he said, they had no contact for a long time and he only came because of Tomi's posts. So how did Virgil know about us?

I don't like that talking around the bush, so here is my version, Elijah:
You are Virgil Crow, a good artist, who has a message. But you decided to split your personality into two persons. The drug swallowing picture man and the clean manager.

Your art is great - still discussable. You are great. But now you try to go further with a lie. Maybe Virgil is the better man. Honest and direct, instead of pushing funny stories, even the craziest dronie would believe, you just could tell us, that Sebastion brought the fonts from OMF.

Urr, I am speaking for us all here, Tomi, or not?
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Post by tommi01 on Jun 26th, 2009, 4:36pm

on Jun 26th, 2009, 4:12pm, SiddReader wrote:
Elijah has nothing to say.

But maybe he could explain, why Virgil appeared right before him. Since he said, they had no contact for a long time and he only came because of Tomi's posts. So how did Virgil know about us?

I don't like that talking around the bush, so here is my version, Elijah:
You are Virgil Crow, a good artist, who has a message. But you decided to split your personality into two persons. The drug swallowing picture man and the clean manager.

Your art is great - still discussable. You are great. But now you try to go further with a lie. Maybe Virgil is the better man. Honest and direct, instead of pushing funny stories, even the craziest dronie would believe, you just could tell us, that Sebastion brought the fonts from OMF.

Urr, I am speaking for us all here, Tomi, or not?


Well, your analysis is a pretty sharp theory. If it is true or not remains to be seen. Regardless of their agenda, we seek the truth in realistic terms, hard evidence, nothing is sacred (almost..) nothing will stand in our way. And yes, Virgil Crows' art is really fabulous. those videos were fantastic smiley

edit to add: However, giving it further thought, that website and the investment behind it,
the artists featured, the immensity of it.. what's that about??
A bit over the top for one man's endeavor, even Virgil Crow, don't you think?....

Remember we listened to an interview of two ppl....
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 26th, 2009, 4:36pm

Sid..do you mean Rred at Om bought them as paid or just peeped, liked, and used them, like Android. they fit both styles nicely. That sounds more than reasonable.
Whether true or not depends if and how Virgil/Elijah answer Dils and Sids.. question.and can be verified..concretely,
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:04pm

Sebastian aka John S just came into this, as they told in the interview.

As a member of OMF he had simply the same infos and fonts, we had. They decided, to exchange Virgil's letters against this.

Virgil's looked a little bit more complicated, like they were developed from a mixture of the bug and asian letters. Isaac's were more easy and simple - and meanwhile more known.

So they changed the story, as now Elijah tries to change it again. Virgil should hit him on his nose for that! He published his whole drug-background.

Only Virgil himself can do and may do that. And he did.

Elijah will tell us, if I am wrong.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:07pm

on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:04pm, SiddReader wrote:
Elijah will tell us, if I am wrong.


I think Elijah knows the jig is up and doesnt have the cajones to come back!!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:11pm

Yes..they are all in florida John S and Virgil ..It should be easy for Virgil to do that, I hope nobody hurts himself. shocked
and Tomi, You will have to take the concrete shoes back to DRT, for them to put on. The water is fine this time of year. jkingcool
But the interview was done by eluv , no.?.and that same person on IA as friend..She also from florida..they call her the "voice of the womb"
She is nice person..too..
http://eluv.podbean.com/
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:14pm

on Jun 26th, 2009, 4:36pm, tomi01uk wrote:
A bit over the top for one man's endeavor, even Virgil Crow, don't you think?....
Remember we listened to an interview of two ppl....


Hehe,

didn't mean to ignore you.

First question: No!
Second question: Yes, of course, Elijah and Sebastian.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:19pm

on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:07pm, TheShadow wrote:
I think Elijah knows the jig is up and doesnt have the cajones to come back!!


I don't think so, Shads, he is walking his own path and he will answer somehow. Maybe he is a little disturbed, because he expected a lot of Tomis here. wink

But now, that he started, he must finish. I am sure, he will try, at least.

Let's all shout and clap the hands:

eee - LIE - jah!

grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:24pm

on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:19pm, SiddReader wrote:
Maybe he is a little disturbed, because he expected a lot of Tomis here. wink



By that you mean politeness and a fertile curiousity.. cool
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:28pm

E Lie Jah!
E Lie Jah!
E Lie Jah!
E Lie Jah!
U go now!
U go now!
U go now!

Lets Everybody Give it up one more time for E Lie Jah!

humor here..i never saw that play on words coming to be honest.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:28pm

on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:24pm, tomi01uk wrote:
By that you mean politeness and a fertile curiousity.. cool
'

LOL Yea thats what he meant! rolleyes



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:30pm

How about two way street ..a little more honesty..
I can assure you there would be no judgemental harranging..but genuine curiosity..to learn for the next time.
what happened happened..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:31pm

@Tomi: I said, sometimes I laugh about you. I did not say, we are married.

Seems I loose all of my friends over this discussion.

Elijah, I need new friends. How about us?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:47pm

I think somebody drew a short straw.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2009, 6:18pm

Must be me. grin

Even Elijah does not want to be my friend anymore.

Bad times! But it's only a few years to 2012. cool
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jun 26th, 2009, 6:26pm

Not Gilgamish too! grin grin grin
Enki Next!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 26th, 2009, 6:34pm

This reminds me of the story of the Lone Ranger and Tanto
One day Tanto and Lone Ranger were heading west to East when they spotted a large group of Indian warriors making war cries, and Tanto said trouble kimosabe .head south..
so they headed south
But there was a party headed from there as well.
Tanto said..Trouble Kimosabe, quick head back west!..
as they rode they saw another indian party headed their way from the west as well..
The Lone Ranger looked to Tanto and yelled..we're surrounded! what do we do now Tanto?

Tanto turned and looked at him and replied
What you mean WE White man!?
grin


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2009, 6:41pm

Hehe, only for you sys:

There once was a guy who was called Dull Knife. Maybe you enjoy, to read about him. Especially about his name.

It's a little off topic - as if we were on topic these last pages! - but it is funny anyway.

I think, you will understand, if you find him. (Sorry, Dil, fun is one component of all this, isn't it?)

wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jun 26th, 2009, 6:51pm

Anyone try to get Denise over here to join the party?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 26th, 2009, 6:59pm

Denise left us along time ago Klattu. family, responsibilities, .we miss her terribly..yes..cry
but she is happy where she is now.! Treasure the memories..like Elijah and Mask treasure Isaacs art..iThats what counts my friend.! In this story ..sometimes a few good people is all we need...
grin

Ps Sid..I am not Tanto..remember that..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 26th, 2009, 7:30pm

I miss Denise. She has a good sense of humor. smiley


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2009, 7:37pm

on Jun 26th, 2009, 6:59pm, Sys_Config wrote:
Ps Sid..I am not Tanto..remember that..


I meant Dull Knife, Lakota: Tahmela pashme.

Capito, old man? laugh It was just an inside-gag between you and me.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 26th, 2009, 7:40pm

@sid..ahhh hahaha you should see the stump knives I googled hahaha

Otakuyaya oiha ke Wanil!

BrotherHood Forever






I have received a report from Zen..at the Northern regioanal Arc Command center regarding RRed .
I can't thank or even realy in words the immense research he is undertaking at the moment..
Based on its date of posting By RRed at a myspace account..most like his as well statrted 2005..I can say that he was not interested in the Event persay..as what was predominant on his mind at the time was the Gary Mckenna Story in the UK

What follows is a July, 2007 blog post with brief excerpt.

and then a 2009 excerpt. on the same mysapce.. recently..which he seems to be clearing his thoughts..over whats important..in life..I found rather compelling..

Saturday, July 07, 2007

Quite possibly.. the biggest story of the century..!!

..:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comshockedfficeshockedffice" />

At certain points in time, during the span of recorded human history, there comes certain instances where historical figures have emerged out of a seemingly senseless series of events of which brings them, as historical icons, to a point of mass recognition for their efforts and actions during their lives. More often than not, these 'historical figures' emerge as such only after they have passed away and it is often in the shadow of their passing that the larger 'human community' begins to recognize the immensity and magnitude of their actions, efforts, and at times unintended accomplishments.



I tend to believe that Gary McKinnon, a computer hacking hobbyist from the ..:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comshockedffice:smarttags" />UK, may very well be one of those individuals: quite possibly a future historical icon for the masses. But I urge you now to focus some attention toward his story and the charges he faces as I would hate to see his legacy emerge and his 'discoveries' recognized after he is no longer with us as that maybe too late for the impact of his story to truly affect our lives. This deserves recognition now.

Thanks for reading…..

Conspicuously yours,

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=8837727&blogId=222746432

RRed





Monday, March 30, 2009

So there I was sitting there looking at the night’s sky and watching the clouds slowly move above me fading from their pastel pinks into the darkening blue of night. I said to my self, “this is the ‘now’ that I’ve been avoiding isn’t it?” It really is no different than the ‘future’ I seem to always strive to grasp and create. Sometimes not having control is the most basic form of control. Not knowing what tomorrow may bring may be the very thing that creates a vibrant future. In those moments there alone tonight, I realized that if you always have your eyes set on the horizon you might miss some very important things right below your feet.

So to make a long story short, I have a hard time with the present, with ‘now’ and now, no pun intended, I realize how important ‘now’ can be. In all reality it is the only ‘real’ thing we experience. Not the past nor the future but this moment.

Maybe this is how you slow down time, by taking a break and looking at the clouds against a late evening sky.

**** IF YOU’VE READ THIS WHOLE THING, STANK YOU SMELLY MUCH. I MUST ADMIT I’M A LITTLE RUSTY ON THE WRITING TIP. I’VE BEEN IN A FUNK FOR QUITE SOMETIME AND NOW IT’S TIME TO FUNK MY SELF RIGHT OUT OF IT!****


Yours truly….


John/RRed
http://www.myspace.com/nonevereallydies
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=8837727&blogId=480176066

No mention of caret..in these deep thoughts..
IMO
So I we shouldn't I think waste time..but merely enjoy these arts..the visions albeit disturbing in his works..are no les disturbing as in many writers with internal problems like Edgar allen Poe..l
perhaps like Hemingway..tormented..he is going places in his mind few writers or artists can fathom..but well empathize..

Just that the illusion of creator in a hall of mirrors, has been dispelled and ineffective here.

Good luck in whatever you Elijah/Virgil and Sebastian all do

peace..

I will keep timnering with what I have in hand..even if its just another illusion..


cool
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 26th, 2009, 7:44pm

That’s nearly two pages now so please try to stay loosely on topic or take it to PM’s…….

Cheers.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2009, 8:09pm

It is very easy to get Sebastian's posts at OMF. Simply ask for the last 99 posts he did, because that is the total number.

But this only will tell you, that Elijah is telling nonsense. Rred still was with us very long. Until he met that intelligent guy Virgil, who lost his soul and told it to everybody, while nobody was listening.

Maybe we can save one soul. Or hurt him. Read back some pages and guess, what who will do.

(Isn't that very InternalAstronautic now?)
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 12:36am

I tried but could only get part.
i think his myspace..gives a more complete picture of him as person..rather than the pieces we seem to be getting from IA.
http://www.myspace.com/nonevereallydies

User Image
User Image
This boy is good...and lots of people like him for him..even if he sound kooky..Wish I was that lucky..
I think this is more like the movie they shrunk a submarine inside a man..and they traveled inside the man to save him.

I agree Sidd..
We are but micronauts..inside his mind..internal astronauts..literally..
a bumpy and hair rasing and breath taking ride for sure..It accomplished its purpose..Many kudos...its time for someone else to ride it..


Ps Dr Dil I fixed..I changed to use firefox now...and did not import settings..now I am okay..

Thank you Blackwater for a pivotal find.



grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 01:48am

Ok, first off, I am not dodging you (your group…HA-HA…E.T. humor) when I am not online to answer queries in a timely fashion. I have specific and numerous obligations that require my attention and keep me away from the Internet at times. I apologize for the delay and any inconvenience that this may have caused or may cause in the future.

Drone Iconography:

Isaac’s rendition of the symbols is a mental collaboration (representation) by many of those within the original group that had the vision back in Boulder Colorado (actually in a private residence in the mountains three miles outside of city limits) in 1969. My father was a member among said group. As far back as 2004 Virgil Crow was using a form of Visual-Code within his work that was very similar in nature to those discovered on the documents and in the photographs of the flying Drone ships etc. He explained to me in great detail that they were aspects of a kind of moving-visual-language that was shown to him as a child during his first abduction experience at two years of age. You can see elements of these symbols used in the ‘Seeding of Planet Earth, vignettes that he created in the fall of 2006.

Link: http://www.internalastronaut.com/tdd/seeding/default.htm

Here is the first letter in the language (click the link below to view the animation); we will call it ‘A’ (From Virgil Crow’s own design and fabrication), which is in the form of moving images that work in unison to purvey their specific message, i.e. the letter ‘A’. This language cannot be purveyed in a written form; rather it can only be shown in its moving simile, which means that it is only a language when there is movement of the specific images. Can you think of any other example of a language of this sort? I cant, that is unless you think of the symbols on the Drone Icon to be cipher for a more in depth version that is a ‘MOVING COMMUNICATION’. There is nothing that I have found like it other than the aforementioned (except of course for computer code, however, this specific ‘cipher’ is designed for the human psyche not for the quick transfer of data via non organic pathways).

When he first explained this to me I was immediately reminded of the symbols that I had seen in and around electrical conduits, and that of the original group’s mass vision. I tried to explain the significance to him (Virgil Crow) and it did not go over well. He told me it was not the same and not to bother him with it again. I am not sure why he reacted the way he did when I brought up that I may have had a similar situation.

This language (Virgil Crow’s) is so significant to the Drone Iconography because it illustrates how in fact the (Drone) symbols work. Again, each singular element is only a placeholder for the actual moving element that works in unison with the others. Together they perform a specific task within a variation of frequencies, all modulating through specific electrical impulses. Each one of these impulses has an effect on the human psyche within a multitude of variances.

Ok, so to review, the reason that scientists and experts on language cannot decipher the Drone Icon symbols is that they are only seeing a static version of each element (even within the video). In order to truly see the symbols in action, you must be present. A machine (computer used for playing back recorded images) cannot pick up the specific neural frequencies that are being bombarded by the effects of the moving simile, only the human mind so effected is able to discern said energy.

The letter ‘A’ is presented in Flash; it is a CPU headache, so view it only from a machine with a good installment of usable RAM. I have no proof of this, however, Virgil Crow created this animated example early in 2004, just to give you a timeline herein.

Link for the Virgil Crow MOVING Language example (letter ‘A’):

http://www.internalastronaut.com/A/

When was Isaac’s Drone Icon Symbols introduced into the I.A. programs?

As has been stated previously, the Drone Icon font was not introduced into the I.A. website until 2007, which is to say, the font used was the Isaac font (not created by I.A. or any of its affiliates) which is watered down into elements that can be used to actually communicate (static) written text, unlike the genuine symbols that exist in nature which are in essence the building blocks of reality. However, I had been encouraging Mr. Crow to utilize the Moving Language (of which he created in 2004, from that which he was shown during his abduction experiences) into the animated interfaces of the I.A. throughout his employ from 2005 until the fall of 2006.

Who invented the actual Drone Icon Symbols?

huh How would I know? That’s like asking me who invented atoms and the universe and blue skies! If you are the religious type, I would have to say that God created them, however, if you are of a more secular mindset, I would tell you that perhaps an Alien race or a much older human sect had created the symbols as a kind of technology to aid in the development of inner-communicational skill sets within future human generational prodigies.

To Frank Zappa:

I have no knowledge of whom is in many of the pictures you are digging up on the web, however, I am intrigued at your line of questioning…Are these people that you know, and if so, are you trying to discover if we both know the same folks? Interesting…I am wondering…who are you?

Frank ‘Z’ quote worth re-quoting: “I know you know who these people are!”

I like the idea that I am actually Virgil Crow, and through a kind of schizophrenia I have become two unique personalities. One, the ever diligent artist who strives to unlock the secrets of the universe through his artistic expression, regardless to the negative side effects that he may incur from the process, and the other, the intellectual manager who strives to achieve a level of respectability and genuine marketability for the work of his emotionally afflicted, albeit, talented alter ego. Where does Mr. Sebastian Sine work into this melodrama? Is he yet a third personality within the malaise of my mental divergences? Interesting script, I think I will use it in my book…if you don’t mind?

Everybody lies, everyone has something to hide, everyone makes mistakes just as everyone gets in over their heads at times. Some of the specifics of my tale may in fact be altered, stretched with minor changes throughout, however, I can with a clear conscious tell you that the gist of my story did start back in 1969 with the group of Spiritual/Scientists and it has built to the crescendo that we are all enveloped in currently. This is just the beginning folks; actually this (DRONE Icon symbols) is all real old news.

You are in fact a clever bunch; I am amazed at your resourcefulness and tenacity towards the daunting task of divulging any and all angles, nooks, crevasses and crannies when it comes to finding out the ‘truth’!

Tomi:

I cannot divulge to you who I am or am not in League with. The laws of reverse technology would dictate that if I start dropping names of folks that I have no real connection with, chances are you and the rest of the group (HA-HA) would certainly start figuring out associations rather quickly.




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 02:15am

SYS CONFIG: grin

It is important that you view all 5 of the Vignettes for the story: Seeding of Planet Earth'

The Virgil Crow symbols are thru out the scenes. It is specific to the way the Drone Icon Symbols operate. He is illustrating it without actually knowing what he is a part of.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 02:40am

Very nice patterns


Isaac’s rendition of the symbols is a mental collaboration (representation) by many of those within the original group that had the vision back in Boulder Colorado (actually in a private residence in the mountains three miles outside of city limits) in 1969.
was this on an indian reservation ceremony..or part of a commune group..
That by itself..while may be true..will be a hard sell..

According to RReds myspace his father died in 1976. Just how young were you at that time? It sounds like the father and son were abducted if I understand this all correctly.
So you are saying that man is was one of the ones that had a vision?
That then that made its way to the isaac site in 2007. But you are in no way connected to its authorship..but just familiar and recognize the writing. Rreds Posts, where he tells us he was from klmath oregon, I think did not reflect that either at OM nor his myspaces.however sid has read that, so I stand to be corrected.


By the way do you remember if allison at johns/ Rreds site.
User Imagesaw this ufo?


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 02:46am


BTW: grin

When I first saw Virgil’s work I knew that he was somehow connected to the Drone Experience (that which was beyond the experiment, Isaac, Noory etc…) because of the fact that he was explaining mental pictures through a form of a moving tapestry of images. Anyone who looks deep into even his earlier static images can fathom a certain disquieting vibration emulating from within the color schemes. When I introduced his work to my father and others, they instantly recognized the Symbol elements therein and encouraged me to contact him.

The Internal Astronaut name that he had already been using was perfect, so we used it instead of the original name that the group had been using (no Tomi, I cannot disclose the name…sorry). The initial meeting took place the 1st month of 2004, it was over a full year later that he began working on the site.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 02:49am

SYS CONFIG:

WOW!

You no more than I do of his and other’s backgrounds. I am not sure of the UFO in the picture. Sorry.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:02am

Thisa is another problem, on top of the whitley like experience vision, problem, I f you are saying you are not Virgil, but you contacted him 2004, and completed the site 2005, and same for RRed at at his Noonereallydies..why delay until 2008 the material.
This is sounding a tad convoluted ,john S/RRed says nothing from 2007 to 2009 on that sight.Read his blogs. I am sure you have..
Correction on date of death for Johns father, originally from Russia..was in 1974.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=8837727&albumID=447793&imageID=3674443


No one wants to shoot the messagenger..but you are making it hard not to..as the story gets more complex.. I'm not trying to scare you here..I like a good story..so few of them around.

another problem..why hasn't the only other person supposedly witness to alien language been.exposed to this was Daniel Sheehan..yet nothing from any of the arch pro alien groups have come foward.

Would that also explain the aliendrones script prepared in 2004..inadvertently released on the second isaac site in 2007 ?
The only other one around in 2004 the ats site was Tomi..but she did not post till the may crew came in ..in may of 2007. .




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:15am

SYS CONFIG:

No, the site was never completed by Virgil. He worked on it from 2005 tell 2006 in the fall. His Cipher was through out, however, the Drone Icon Font was added after he left (he never left per say, he just wasn’t privy to the Drone dynamics).

The Drone Iconography was added by another designer per instructions after Virgil had completed the 20 interfaces and other elements.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:18am

SYS CONFIG:

FYI:
S Sine is a Audio Engineer, he also possess many other talents, however, his stereo manipulation is amazing to say the least.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:20am

I know his background all the way from Pacific Northwest to current employ in FL. He is talented..all of you are..truly..In the registration there appears Virgil Crow rred and Walker..
Is that another person ?
We seem to have a bevy of audio engineers from him to Sonicworksuk and even a friend of mine Droneonline..Very very talented. Djs too..like fxriot in oregon, bluetech, etc..amazing all the musicians and artists..for a ufo story.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:23am

I have caught some heat for disclosing the fact that Virgil Crow has acquired personality defects from his years of internal journey. I was not out of line by doing so; he will readily talk to anyone about his issues who cares to listen…well…that’s not always true I guess. But he can always be contacted at virgilcrow@hotmail.com which has been his email address for a decade or so.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:24am

Walker is another within
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:28am

well we certainly won't dwell on his condition or challenges..
I just havent seen that one anywhere and was curious
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:33am

Are you familar with andrew Vjnay , the film person , born in Budapest, hungary, made it big overseas and here, lord I forgot how to spell his name. he was with c2 pictures at one time not certain what he is doing , maybe associated with lionsgate, not sure..and are you affiliated in any way with him ?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:35am

SYS CONFIG: I am not aware of the director in question.

What really strikes me as important is that as an experiment in Phenomenology, the Drone Icon and our (I.A.) involvement in it was a complete success. However, the down side is that it would seem that, as in all human endeavors, there was most certainly a down side that we didn’t think about at the time. I guess we didn’t figure the supreme differences in perspective within our own controlled directive. Someone very astute among the posters herein made a comment some pages back that kind of stuck with me:

“The I.A. had one major flaw in their directive; they thought they could force enlightenment on someone through the use of puzzles, even if that someone was coming from a completely inoperable perspective, that’s called brain washing.”

None of us ever really looked at like that…however; the point is certainly relevant in retrospect. The road to hell is paved with good intentions…

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:40am

About abduction experiences:

It is real simple, unless it has happened to you, you just can’t wrap your mind around it in a way that makes it sound rational and sane. However, when it has happened, sometimes it is all you can do to deal with the day in and day out dynamics of ‘normal’ life.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:43am

what time is it in the UKhuh I was hoping to catch Tomi... tongue ...or Mask...or Nev...or... grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:45am

Its good you see that, do you have a solution for that.
Generally the adage Honesty is the best policy, with occasional bumps, works pretty well..
The dishonsety of quite a few on the other side, probably killed interest in the story as much as the puzzles..

Is woy affiliated with your group in any way.
Its about 8 or nine in the uk smiley

Its 447 here..I am crashing..

Thanks for answering th the 10 and twenty..
g'nite
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:52am

One of the designs of experiments such as the Drone Icon is to familiarize uninitiated individuals with ideas that they would normally not encounter. It is a theory among many of the I.A. that upon the closing of the circle, powers will be manifested that are better to recognize as illusion than to take to heart as tangible experience. In other words, don’t let the shadows scare you into hurting yourself, they are only shadows and wield no real power outside of that which you allow to be influenced.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:59am

Ahh..sometimes we take solace or comfort in the shadows..literally and spiritually..we focus best in the quiet..undisturbed....
quality time some call it..foundation of meditation prayer and ...creativity..
Is it another shadow you are referring to? just so we are on same page..

exposure to anything truly alien..boils down to..fight or flight..can I eat it..or will it eat me..has been my experience..
fight to survive , claw and grab at all near while drowning..and others simply surrender to the waves..
are you working with a team of psychologists? for your book?

Once you invade a personces physical space which varies by culture and race and try to get into their heads..you are really taking a grave risk..not merely the ethical problem you quoted.

Practice encroaching on a lions space.over a period of increments has had mixed results..

recapping..your group IA , virgil was only a tool..not privy to the real deal.

Your group did do the Isaac 2007 release..but the letters were from a collective experience in 1969.

Is that correct?


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 04:21am

on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:43am, ElijahTome wrote:
what time is it in the UKhuh I was hoping to catch Tomi... tongue ...or Mask...or Nev...or... grin


I'm here reading up. Good Morning! smiley
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 04:28am

on Jun 27th, 2009, 03:52am, ElijahTome wrote:
One of the designs of experiments such as the Drone Icon is to familiarize uninitiated individuals with ideas that they would normally not encounter. It is a theory among many of the I.A. that upon the closing of the circle, powers will be manifested that are better to recognize as illusion than to take to heart as tangible experience. In other words, don’t let the shadows scare you into hurting yourself, they are only shadows and wield no real power outside of that which you allow to be influenced.


Well, I got "freaked out" reading and watching all that stuff.. Grant Morrison, was the final topping. Have you listened to that lecture Elijah? I recommend small doses..
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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 04:33am

Tomi: I have not...But I will

http://www.internalastronaut.com/A/1.jpg
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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 04:37am

http://www.internalastronaut.com/A/1.jpg

http://www.internalastronaut.com/A/2.jpg

http://www.internalastronaut.com/A/3.jpg

These graphic explain it better than I could with mere words!
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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 04:41am

The aforementioned linked work above is from Virgil Crow...The Drone Iconography was added in later. These are 3 of 27 pictures that he illustrated for the I.A. Instruction Manual. It is specific to his abduction experience.
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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 04:43am

Im sorry Tomi...I have to step off line now. I will communicate more later today if I can! grin
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Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 04:43am

on Jun 27th, 2009, 04:33am, ElijahTome wrote:
Tomi: I have not...But I will

http://www.internalastronaut.com/A/1.jpg


Lemme know how it strikes you.
Need a brain of steel, (and a skin of hide)
to get through this drone saga..
I'm beginning to realise..

edit to add: Bugs scare me too.. tongue
But I love reptiles.. where are they in all of this? smiley
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Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:00am

No you dont Tomi , if you read his response, it all originated with a teanm of spirtual scientists who had a common vision..or hallucination..and came up with the letters, and someone down the line saw it looked like visual code..and voila..you have the drones..not that they saw a drone in fact..it was a vision like whitley..thats not hard to understand.
with a group who may live together or work together..
and we dont know the exact details..but its admitted exposure to puzzles to see how people would react ..to help manifest it into being is how some cults do with sigils..
Accordint to Elijah virgil, was chosen..for his past work..similar vibes so to speak.. set the thing up..but did not know what letters would be used..another designer did that.
In essence, watered down or not , that is a claim to those letters whether they appear in isolated places..elsewhere..

That would mean..therefore.if I understand what he is saying...they are the hoaxers. even though letters did not show up until 2008 on IA.


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Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:05am

on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:00am, Sys_Config wrote:
That would mean..therefore.if I understand what he is saying...they are the hoaxers.



I get the impression they were just as impressed with the LAP too.. again, I might be wrong.
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Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:10am

I am sure thats what it was too..rred spent a lot of time at OM..his site as nooneevrdies on myspace.. the linx I provided show no such work or discussion.in fact a preoccupation with the mckenna case, July 7, 2007..why that..if he had been working on that material and it appeared a week or so before

we would if what Elijah says is true is reference to where the letters existed independently from Isaacs site..or a confirmation from Todd schwartz..that he represents the group or Tony sova these are the people he set the site up for..
Its really simple pick up the phone call and confirm .only they want to make it difficult..that coud be done without mentioning real names..just the IA group.

But they cant because its not true..
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Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:20am

The picture of the three lads with the one in the middle.. he has the Isaac symbols tatooed ! at the base of his throat?? Now when was that? And who could they be?
I hope it was a temporary one tongue Otherwise all he is going to pull with that is aliens! smiley

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Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:25am

They can tatoo it on his forehead, his behind, everywhere..its after the fact...Put in 3d..project it on a churchwall in manhattan..it still after the fact.
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Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:28am

on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:25am, Sys_Config wrote:
They can tatoo it on his forehead, his behind, everywhere..its after the fact...Put in 3d..project it on a churchwall in manhattan..it still after the fact.


Aren't you contradicting yourself in the last 3 posts?..
First you say they are the hoaxers, then you say they liked the LAP and borrowed the symbols..
what am i missing here.. huh
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Post by neveleeleven on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:30am

Wow, Elijah really is barfing out a lot of b.s.

http://www.internalastronaut.com/A/

Yes, the file name for that stupid flash animation is called "fruiten" which is a dutch verb for "fry, cook in oil"...

It's just a dumb math equation being looped programmatically. I bet he designed it to "fry your mind mannnn... duuude.... far out...".


Ok, time is up, it's time to contact some friends of mine.

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Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:34am

You are not reading tomi...I recapped what he said to me here read from beginning....
If I follow his logic..he would be the hoaxer.
But We know the facts of the case and timeline..and whats out there..
he cannot be the hoaxer..just tag along..
he can only be if the sites that set the isaac site..say publicly..they were hired by IA people..and IA supplied the material..

No contradiction whatsoever.
They get that then we good to go..

good morning Nev..its been all niter here.

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Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:39am

on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:34am, Sys_Config wrote:
..
he can only be if the sites that set the isaac site..say publicly..they were hirede by IA people..and supplied the material..

No contradiction whatsoever.

good morning Nev..its been all niter here.


I have always thought that date you found with the isaaccaret site was a typo.
That makes sense to me because all the other numbers match except for that one which could easily be a mistake.
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Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:40am

thats why he took it down so fast..a typo..keep thinking..that..and look at the pictures..you will be okay.
that was supposed to be sytem date..not a pretyped date..
you post you dont put date on the post system does..it was prteyped..thats whole point..either way..suspect.
Plus big typo from june to a may.... smiley
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Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:44am

on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:40am, Sys_Config wrote:
thats why he took it down so fast..a typo..keep thinking..that..and look at the pictures..you will be okay.


You want me to look at pictures with insects in them..
how cruel.. rolleyes
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Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:48am

Some bugs tickle smiley
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Post by neveleeleven on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:51am

So... just for laughs...

Did anyone notice what happed to the "Paranormal Institute"? http://stern.conforums.com/

...because I did.

-Anyway back on topic-

Good morning SYS!
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Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:56am

Morning Nev..
Lev did a nice banner for him..what happened..it says spam attacks....he wasnt talking about drones either..thats odd..the ghost thing should have done well..strange.
I think maybe people living to long I guess..he was very intelligent guy. I think the whole ufo business is changing..
Gary beckett just said noo disclosure..the Gubbamint just went soooosecret no one knows anything ..not even the President..just us and Gary know they have a super secret program.
We are blessed to have even a make believe paper and pictures to keep the hope alive.

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Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:57am

on Jun 27th, 2009, 05:48am, Sys_Config wrote:
Some bugs tickle smiley


shocked Well, if that's how you get your kicks... tongue

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Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 06:16am

Nev did you say it was a dutch word?
It got quiet..Elijah said he wanted to talk with you tomi and mask ..He said he is writing a book..so some good may come out of this., another revnue stream will help really good.

did you see the Sebastian link?
http://www.myspace.com/nonevereallydies go to pix
The2007 blog on Mckenna was good..and the 2009 one too

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Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 06:28am

on Jun 27th, 2009, 06:16am, Sys_Config wrote:
Nev did you say it was a dutch word?
It got quiet..Elijah said he wanted to talk with you tomi and mask ..He said he is writing a book..so some good may come out of this., another revnue stream will help really good.

did you see the Sebastian link?
http://www.myspace.com/nonevereallydies go to pix
The2007 blog on Mckenna was good..and the 2009 one too


arrgh... I am so confused.. when you go to this site, does it say myspace uk? This can't be virgil, because he definately is older than 31. Yet, this art is Virgils?

wait a second.... big fat Duh! tongue
This picture of the "three amigos" that was found, says in fact the middle man is Virgil.. Now.. Elijah..
now I'm not dumb.. but I can't understand ...

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Post by neveleeleven on Jun 27th, 2009, 07:14am

...paying attention to details...

User Image

RRed = Sebastian

Virgil = Elijah
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Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 07:42am

He lives in Oregon according to that info.
If he fell off the radar it wasn't too far because he logged into this site yesterday..


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Post by neveleeleven on Jun 27th, 2009, 07:50am

According to the radio interview from Eluv, Sebastian moved "3000" miles to Florida. From Oregon to Florida is approx. 2500 miles.

On the same interview, "Elijah" claims I.A. started with "a couple flash animations" that Elijah made himself. So I'm thinking Virgil (flash designer) is Elijah.
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Post by Klatunictobarata on Jun 27th, 2009, 07:55am

on Jun 26th, 2009, 7:40pm, Sys_Config wrote:
@sid..ahhh hahaha you should see the stump knives I googled hahaha

Otakuyaya oiha ke Wanil!

BrotherHood Forever





Another possible translation Sys:

"OHWAH TANAS SIAM"


I believe it was from the FUKAWI Indians (also known as the 'Lost tribe') mother tongue.

The story goes:

Lost in the wilderness for many, many moons, this brave tribe - never forgetting their ancestral name embraced by forefathers so long ago - wandered aimlessly, searching for home...and when encountering unknown people, the tribal elder would approach the strangers by waving his extended arms, uttering that most sacred of greetings:

" We're the FUKAWI... "

grin grin grin grin grin grin

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Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 27th, 2009, 09:30am

LMH was on C2C last night live with Art Bell (not a re-run). Show was about abductions and UFO's and surprisingly, Not one single word or mention of the drones was made! Any thoughts as to why this might be? She's on one of her tours, revenuein' with a new book coming out!

Lone
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Post by SiddReader on Jun 27th, 2009, 09:32am

on Jun 27th, 2009, 01:48am, ElijahTome wrote:
I like the idea that I am actually Virgil Crow, and through a kind of schizophrenia I have become two unique personalities. One, the ever diligent artist who strives to unlock the secrets of the universe through his artistic expression, regardless to the negative side effects that he may incur from the process, and the other, the intellectual manager who strives to achieve a level of respectability and genuine marketability for the work of his emotionally afflicted, albeit, talented alter ego. Where does Mr. Sebastian Sine work into this melodrama? Is he yet a third personality within the malaise of my mental divergences? Interesting script, I think I will use it in my book…if you don’t mind?


Yes, of course, you gave me permission to use your tale, so you may use my thoughts, too. - Since I am a little lazy with my homepage, you could send the people to my youtube-channel instead. wink
Sebastian is the musician, as was said already.
But indeed there seem to be other personalities:

„Enoch, Elijah, and Melchizedek
Inevitably, those who have mastered Physical Immortality, who have truly made the Word Flesh, have faced persecution, have sometimes had to fake their own death, and have had to withdraw from full public participation in the culture of their respective communities and nations. However, we are at the end of the old Aeon and at the dawn of the New. At every such major planetary change, all ideas undergo revaluation. Many conventions are overthrown, certain old ideas become useless, and new ideas suddenly become useful. Physical immortality is the most useful new - yet extremely ancient - idea now available as we enter the New Aquarian Aeon.“

I guess you know these ideas of Robert Coon.
http://www.angelfire.com/in4/alchemy2084/immortals.html

And I would publish the book under a different name, otherwise it will always be linked to the guy, who improved Isaac’s story.

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Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 11:52am

Wow Sid..from angelfire too..As I heard once..(from me)
This is a pivotal revelation!
Melchi...What now brown cow?
2 hours for a response..
Elijah always said, almost like the army commercial Be all that you can be, in the army

you can be anything you want to be, just write it..he proved it..
E lie Jah ARE YOU AN ARMY OF ONE ! hahahaaaaa.
User Image

I think this perfect time to see if the power works..
Eli..
Will you invoke the omega point!

It is advisable to only use THE INVOCATION OF THE OMEGA POINT on very special occasions, and only when you are truly inspired to do so. It should never be used as part of a regular, habitual ritual or church service. As a general principle, prayer should be spontaneous and in your own Heartfelt words. However, occasionally, a prayer can be written down and used effectively more than once. This Omega Invocation is, exquisitely, one such prayer.

From meeting with my Elijah-Merlin figure in full visible flesh at midnight 1st July, 1967 until the activation of the planetary Omega Point at the instant of Easter Sunrise, 1984 atop Glastonbury Tor - the Gaian Heart Chakra, the reception of THE INVOCATION OF THE OMEGA POINT on Rosh Hashonoh, 1975, stands out as the spiritual and initiatory midpoint within that sacred period. I pray that my Joy experienced while receiving this Divine Invocation may be tred, completely shared, and magnified within the Hearts of all beings who have occasion to speak aloud THE INVOCATION OF THE OMEGA POINT during the coming Aeons...

From my present vantage point (1990) I offer the following written commentary of this Invocation, beginning with the title:


or is the book in progress with Paul Weston
Avalonian publications
http://avalonianaeon.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html


That would be good combination.
because Weston is W..and i have been looking for the Lev Like the Cinderella fairy tale
uk contact with initial W and spitfire ..quite nice. cufflinks..are they yours?
just curious.

If wrong it ok..because in ufology. myth fantasy, go hand in hand, ..we are all ufos..
and kookoos and can't be held legally responsible
if we are kookoo smiley you are safe with us! grin
I thought this was informative .description of coon..
http://avalonianaeon.blogspot.com/search?q=robert+coons in Weston, the seeker too, Blog.


@ Klat that was interesting We are The Fukawi!
@Lone LMH as a strong believer in the Nixon watergate philosophy of when the going gets tough..the tough get going cheesy

Sidd you indeed have rekindled the fire and fun !



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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:28pm

BTW...SYS CONFIG:

E 'LIE' JAH...very funny! grin


Let us say for the sake of discussion that my story is completely erroneous, ok, what happens next? If indeed Elijah, R. Walker, Melchizedek, S. Sine and the rest are merely ‘Johnny-come-lately’ players in the Drone Icon saga then what of it?

Trying to make sense of the Symbols would seem to me to be the most relevant and logical next step. You will never prove that the Drone Icon experiment was in fact a Hoax or a bonafied technological extrapolation, so what is the point of continuing if not to learn more about the specifics behind the experience?

I am offering to you an explanation as to the way in which the Symbols are relevant and operational within the spectrum of their design. It is all about math, as ‘Nev’ so cogently pointed out upon his review of the letter ‘A’ animation that I presented earlier. However, as a Moving form of communication, further investigation is warranted.

Would it not be more productive to follow the trail of probable (and not so probable) capabilities of these Symbols that it has been to try to divulge their origins? Everything is a growing experience, when folks get hung up on some of the more indefinable details they fall behind and never learn all that they can from a specific subject. My hope is that we (as in this group…Ha-Ha) of incredibly intelligent agents (DRT? Ha-Ha) would be able to come away from the saga having learned more about the universe both external and internal. Then again, perhaps I am just burned out from all the Theogens I used back in the day in order to better define my place in the grand scheme of the omnipotent design?

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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:37pm

What can we learn for the Drone Icon saga that makes us more capable of comprehending ideas and schemas beyond the classic realm of our specific capabilities? Firstly, having these experiences may lead us to question the very fabric of reality (little programs to and fro) and therefore seem a good launching point. Of course, the use of Drugs (both synthesized and naturally occurring) have been used since forever to evoke such revelations, however, social experiments (Phenomenology) are also very useful tools in this arena.
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Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:40pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:28pm, ElijahTome wrote:
You will never prove that the Drone Icon experiment was in fact a Hoax


You are wrong! It has already been proven to be a hoax! Irrefutably actually!!

on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:28pm, ElijahTome wrote:

I am offering to you an explanation as to the way in which the Symbols are relevant and operational within the spectrum of their design. It is all about math, as ‘Nev’ so cogently pointed out upon his review of the letter ‘A’ animation that I presented earlier. However, as a Moving form of communication, further investigation is warranted.

No you offer nonsense and BS in the hopes of recruiting a few gullible followers....or at the very least increase traffic to your site (which has a very impressive 4 posters if memory serves!)

on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:28pm, ElijahTome wrote:

Would it not be more productive to follow the trail of probable (and not so probable) capabilities of these Symbols that it has been to try to divulge their origins?

Only if it leads us to the hoaxers........which we all know is not your intention!
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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:41pm

BTW:

Everybody lies; it’s just most people’s lies aren’t interesting enough to pay attention to… grin

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Post by SiddReader on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:43pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:37pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Of course, the use of Drugs (both synthesized and naturally occurring) have been used since forever to evoke such revelations, however, social experiments (Phenomenology) are also very useful tools in this arena.


Okay, but now it seems to be more about "Phantasmology meets Castaneda".
Your artistic approach is interesting, but not in this conext.
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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:43pm

Shads:

Yawn...I already explained the lack of Forum members and my desire to take over the minds of all humanity so that I may use them as energy slaves to build my universal Vomitorium. grin

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Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:45pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:43pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Shads:

Yawn...I already explained the lack of Forum members and my desire to take over the minds of all humanity so that I may use them as energy slaves to build my universal Vomitorium. grin


Speaking of YAWN...have you read the crap you post??
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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:47pm

Shads:

I swear, I love you best! grin

Sidd:

I am just saying…looking beyond the veil of ones own perception, even at the risk of being ‘burned at the stake’ is sometimes relevant in the spiritual propagation of a societal mindset.
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Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:51pm

Eli, Thank Sid for that Play on the name!
I think it best at this point to expound on Sids find of the use of Coons early copyrighted omega point nomeclature in your work..It is is the energy of belief..faith .that impels and compells people to act or partake. Yo have so many inconsistancies and untruths and excuses...that it egenders nothing but disbelief..and therefore repulsion at any invitation by your words which themselves have already been found less than forthright and you yourself said will stretch to meet whatever your purpose.
If you can't convince people it is in their interest..you nor anyone will get any interest now..
Its a tag along..as we thought..
whether its omega point..orgone box or a pyramid hat on top of your head..
at this point it means nothing..


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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:53pm

SIDD:

Cudos on E 'Lie' Jah

Shads:

You may question the validity of my Tome; however, can you just as quickly discern the motives behind my explanations? DO you really think I am trying to grow an Army, or is it something perhaps a bit more altruistic that I have in mind? Perhaps my movements are flawed, do you believe my prime directive is not of a noble caliber? Interesting.

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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:56pm

SYS CONFIG:

C-R-A-P! Perhaps its worse, the I.A. could be a Cling-On! Much 'worser' than a Tag-along Im sure! grin
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Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:56pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:53pm, ElijahTome wrote:
You may question the validity of my Tome; however, can you just as quickly discern the motives behind my explanations? DO you really think I am trying to grow an Army, or is it something perhaps a bit more altruistic that I have in mind? Perhaps my movements are flawed, do you believe my prime directive is not of a noble caliber? Interesting.


I am sure in your mind you motives are just and noble......albeit delusional! The simple fact that you stole the LAP for use on your site and are now claiming credit for the drones is in itself proof that your motives are not as pure as you claim!
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Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:01pm

Shads:

Only things that I know of that are ‘Pure’ are Virgins and new driven snow, everything else has contamination from one factor or another. As far as the Drone Font, I readily admit to using the script and adding it as an after thought, however, the power behind the ‘symbol images’ was always present within the work of Virgil Crow and even more so from said work dated 2005-2006. grin

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Post by Gort on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:01pm

You have a friend, well you'd prefer to think of him as an acquaintance, he might borrow a tool and never return them, constantly tells exaggerations about his own grandiose accomplishments, takes credit for other people's work, etc. etc. but I'm sure you've come across someone like this. Now you and your real friends know this female who's not bad looking but she is either a mental case, has B. O. like you wouldn't believe, constantly talks about herself, or some such hidden misery which makes you wish you never met her.


So you and your friends are thinking one day, hey we know this chick and you mentioned her name in the same sentence with your so-called buddy. Then the idea dawns on someone, "hey let's set her up with him" and you know it will be hilarious. So you convince the guy to take her out and he agrees. Now you know this is going to be some fun don't cha.


We've been set up.

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Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:05pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:01pm, Gort wrote:
We've been set up.


YEP Now which of our "friends" arranged this date??
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:07pm

Shads:

Tomi was just following up on a hunch, don’t blame the messenger for the news that you didn’t want to hear! grin
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Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:07pm

I'm not attacking you..just your method..you agree about the brainwashing implication..then go right on using it..if only to confuse or disorient..
You may have borrowed omegapoint and other para theosophical doctrines and symbols..but for all sakes and purposes..its about as attractive as a Jim jones call to jesus, or Zekes satanic guide for dummies..or even that confused group in Oregon, living in a commune mixed christian and Set and alex crowley doctrines, that Tony Sova allegedly belonged to and set the Isaac site.
Thats why..just building it and they will come..won't work..Its a fact most people join a cult actually do get up and leave.
thats what we should do with this one too.
You said virgil did not author it. just liked his vibes..and he set up interfaces..and poof gone.. Now you admit..it was borrowed and improvised..where are the letters the old men at the ranch saw..someone wrote them down.





Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:08pm

BTW:

I invented the question mark! grin (Dr. Evil)
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Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:09pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:01pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Shads:

Only things that I know of that are ‘Pure’ are Virgins and new driven snow, everything else has contamination from one factor or another. As far as the Drone Font, I readily admit to using the script and adding it as an after thought, however, the power behind the ‘symbol images’ was always present within the work of Virgil Crow and even more so from said work dated 2005-2006. grin


Of course!! But you didnt incorperate them into the site that HE designed until well after he left and the drones appearedhuh Why is that if the influence was all around and you knew of their importance beforehand?
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Post by elevenaugust on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:09pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:28pm, ElijahTome wrote:
[...]My hope is that we (as in this group…Ha-Ha) of incredibly intelligent agents (DRT? Ha-Ha) would be able to come away from the saga having learned more about the universe both external and internal. Then again, perhaps I am just burned out from all the Theogens I used back in the day in order to better define my place in the grand scheme of the omnipotent design?

rolleyes
C'mmon Elijah; I have been lurking your post here since the beginning, and all that I can say is that I agree with what everyone think about your BS here...

You conveniently avoid to directly and frankly answer to the most interesting questions about the real origin of the symbols that were put in your website.

My guess is that you actually have an holiday week and have nothing more interesting to do than coming here spread your non-sense...

What a waste of time!! undecided
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:10pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:07pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Shads:

Tomi was just following up on a hunch, don’t blame the messenger for the news that you didn’t want to hear! grin


No tomi was lead to you by those that use her to their advantage. Problem is Tomi doesnt even realize how used she is by those "friends" of hers!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:12pm

SYS CONFIG:

Again, please understand, this is an Artistic Experiment with spiritual overtones, however, no Jim Jones kool-aid available for the youngsters. It is meant to make you a bit uncomfortable as to question all motives, beyond, before and between.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:14pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:47pm, ElijahTome wrote:
I am just saying…looking beyond the veil of ones own perception, even at the risk of being ‘burned at the stake’ is sometimes relevant in the spiritual propagation of a societal mindset.


Nothing against that, Elijah. But you tried to sell us a story as true. Yoe never labeled it as possibility or fantasy, but instead repeated the "truth" in it.

So it seems you lack a little moral. A point I don't accept and which makes me doubt your intentions as an artist.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:16pm

elevenaugust :

Ouch! That hurt! I might be wrong, but you are more 'wronger'! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:19pm

SIDD:

I’m not an artist, I am a storyteller, the story is unfolding as we speak. Virgil Crow is the artist, he is insane, he can only make pictures for the stories that I tell. Symbiosis at its finest.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:21pm

SIDD:

BTW, the story is totally true, you just don’t or can’t see the forest through the trees of fabricated illusion.
grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by elevenaugust on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:21pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:16pm, ElijahTome wrote:
elevenaugust :

Ouch! That hurt! I might be wrong, but you are more 'wronger'! grin

Well, prove me I'm "more wronger". smiley
Until now, you haven't bring in any proof of what you're saying.
Seems like you like to make people here go round in circles...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:23pm

Is any accounted tale of a past experience totally without a trace of falsehood? The Bible, the Urantia book...Nightmare In Angora? grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by elevenaugust on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:25pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:23pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Is any accounted tale of a past experience totally without a trace of falsehood? The Bible, the Urantia book...Nightmare In Angora? grin

.....ElijahTome in IA.... rolleyes
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:26pm

Golly Gee Willikers! I cant take my eyes from the circling skies... grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:26pm

Wrong again..Poor semantics..symbiotic relationships mutually help..not destroy..this is more virulently parasitic..at its finest..only you benefit..hosts die..and discarded until next host arrives.
I think you are no diferent than graffittii artist who wants to outdo the work of another..and sprays over it..then screams yes he is an artist when caught..but says the cans in his hand arent his..he got them at the local Walmart, and the work..underneath..well could be his..maybe not..its ok..everybody lies..and lying is an art even if copycat art too.

Eli is a copycat
Eli is a copy cat
hahahahaha
Liar Liar pants on fire!! grin grin grin

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:28pm

elevenaugust:

You should contact Virgil and let him have a go at the DRT logo...he has a keen eye for that sort of thing! grin

virgilcrow@hotmail.com

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:28pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:21pm, ElijahTome wrote:
SIDD:

BTW, the story is totally true, you just don’t or can’t see the forest through the trees of fabricated illusion.
grin


Hehe, I am the storyteller and it is my creation. You are just a figure in my book, appearing on page 1111 for the first time.

I belive you, that this story has a true core, but then we are back at the drugs on a hippy trail in Bombay.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:31pm

SYS CONFIG:

Ok, the parasitic relationship avenue, I am with you, however, if I am in fact the alter ego of Virgil Crow, then I am feeding off of myself in some way? Is this dangerous, or am I safe to assume that I cannot completely devour myself?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by elevenaugust on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:31pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:28pm, ElijahTome wrote:
elevenaugust:

You should contact Virgil and let him have a go at the DRT logo...he has a keen eye for that sort of thing! grin

virgilcrow@hotmail.com

You are Virgilcrow.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:33pm

See, these are the real problems facing those of us with serious mental illness! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:35pm

elevenaugust:

I am Virgil Crow? Ok, prove it...can you? I dont think you can. Just like I cant prove my Drone affiliation etc.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:36pm

…not without breaking some rules of engagement... grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:38pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:35pm, ElijahTome wrote:
I am Virgil Crow


But at least this is believable!!!!



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:40pm

Yes and if you don't hear from us in a while Eli, please don't cut your ear off and send it to us like Picasso, correction Van Gogh, hahaha, the other Schizophrenic artist did and sent his girlfriend..because he hadn't heard from her either. cool

Thanx shads..hahaha


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:42pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:40pm, Sys_Config wrote:
Yes and if you don't hear from us in a while Eli, please don't cut your ear off and send it to us like Picasso, the other Schizophrenic artist did and sent his girlfriend..because he hadn't heard from her either. cool



Not Picasso Sys that was Van Gogh!!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:42pm

Shads:

I’m serious, if you were a woman and I was a man, I would sweep you off of your feet and take you away from all of this! grin

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:43pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:42pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Shads:

I’m serious, if you were a woman and I was a man, I would sweep you off of your feet and take you away from all of this! grin


I dont think i am your type!! And i know you aint mine!!!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:43pm

SYS CONFIG:

You would be my side action! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:45pm

Shads:

Dam! Ok, the ear is in the Mail! See what you made me do?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:46pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:45pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Dam! Ok, the ear is in the Mail! See what you made me do?


Well for a BS artist and thief at least i can appreciate your sense of humor!!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:54pm

Yeah..he ran out of excuses..maybe he should sit on xerox copiers and copy that and sell it as art..that was the rage in the 70s..
he's run out of idieas..it happens when we get old..but rather than get wise and "mellow" like donovan.and the rest of us, .he's like the bitter Aqualung..sitting on a park bench..watching the rest of the world go by..vicarious thrills..living off old dreams collected in the Halcyon days long ago.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:00pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:26pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Golly Gee Willikers! I cant take my eyes from the circling skies... grin

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:35pm, ElijahTome wrote:
I am Virgil Crow? Ok, prove it...can you? I dont think you can. Just like I cant prove my Drone affiliation etc.

What about if someone could prove deceptive intent as well as the viability & indeed statistical probability of exactly that claim?

From what I can see then the only Drone affiliation you have is self-imposed by copying a couple of symbols from a hoaxed/highly questionable document nearly a year after the fact, well, of course and the affiliation that you are trying to create here but it appears that if you’re destined to be as unsuccessful with this attempt as you were when you originally plagiarised the symbols.

Go figure.....
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:11pm

15 minutes of fame is about over. cry
However, I will say I am more enlightened. And that is a good thing. cool
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:22pm

If I wanted to look at schizophrenic art i'd just google schizophrenic art..and there are tons of it avaible, on the net just as intricate, some a lot more appealing.
its all in the beholder.

http://bluestarscot.blogspot.com/2007/01/schizophrenic-art.html
http://dignifyme.tripod.com/k.grimes.jpg

But ultimately..Just a little fish in a very big sea, and even the illness is not unique.
I'm sure Jack kavorkian art would appeal to some as well



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:25pm

Hehe, good point, Dil!

He already admitted, that it just was a lie and there was only something behind his story, he calls the truth behind.

That has nothing to do with phenomenolgy at all, so I call it phantasmology now.

One more trustable witness, we have to caress with soft gloves.

@Elijah: I am still trying to find a motif in art for you. The closest I could think of, is Dadaism. But their senseless language was a reaction to the political nonsense between two worldwars. I don't see any sense in what you tried, despite that senselessness is the goal.

In contrary to this I understand your website, partly an adventure game, interactive to a little degree and partly experimental short films. They would show these late at night over here on some channels for art.

However I look at it, I still think, you left your path, when you tried to join it to the Caret-crap. Hope you did not just drop breadcrumbs to find the way back. Birds eat them.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:31pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:07pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Shads:

Tomi was just following up on a hunch, don’t blame the messenger for the news that you didn’t want to hear! grin


sigh... they are all misogynists - esp gort.. rolleyes
what can you expect..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:35pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:31pm, tomi01uk wrote:
sigh... they are all misogynists - esp gort.. tongue
what can you expect..


Its not women i hate tomi......its those that believe the unbelievable with no evidence to support it, regardless of gender. I have a problem with "researchers" that dont take notes as well! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:39pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:10pm, TheShadow wrote:
No tomi was lead to you by those that use her to their advantage. Problem is Tomi doesnt even realize how used she is by those "friends" of hers!


I think shads you would be amazed at how much they prefer I not be used .. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:41pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:35pm, TheShadow wrote:
Its not women i hate tomi......its those that believe the unbelievable with no evidence to support it, regardless of gender. I have a problem with "researchers" that dont take notes as well! grin


Well I have a problem with men who make assumptions .. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:43pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:41pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Well I have a problem with men who make assumptions .. wink


My "assumptions" as you call them have been clarified and verified, by you, time and again over the last several years!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 27th, 2009, 5:08pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:31pm, tomi01uk wrote:
sigh... they are all misogynists - esp gort.. rolleyes
what can you expect..


I had to look that up! embarassed
A bit unfair I think. No one accused you of being a card carrying member of MHA. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 5:28pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:43pm, TheShadow wrote:
My "assumptions" as you call them have been clarified and verified


No.. you just like to vilify, and unlike Elijah .. I don't get turned on by it wink But nice try grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 27th, 2009, 5:40pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 5:28pm, tomi01uk wrote:
No.. you just like to vilify, and unlike Elijah .. I don't get turned on by it wink But nice try grin

I find that a little hard to believe Tomi, in fact I think it’s probably a guilty pleasure of yours as if you don’t like to be vilified then why are you [seemingly] constantly searching for it!? laugh You know, adopting contrary stances, clinging to the belief that there’s something contained within the Drone releases that contains an element of truth etc. etc. grin

You’re not getting “Villification” mixed up with “Vindication” are you? kiss

Cheers!! wink

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 27th, 2009, 5:40pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 5:08pm, Katterfelto wrote:
I had to look that up! embarassed


Ough! I thought it was my bad English again.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by TheShadow on Jun 27th, 2009, 5:42pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 5:28pm, tomi01uk wrote:
No.. you just like to vilify, and unlike Elijah .. I don't get turned on by it wink But nice try grin


Believe me baby If i was trying to turn you on.......you'd leave the hubby and be on the first flight stateside!! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 5:57pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 5:42pm, TheShadow wrote:
Believe me baby If i was trying to turn you on.......you'd leave the hubby and be on the first flight stateside!! grin


rolleyes uh huh....

@ Drdil.. no way I'm gonna bite at that one.. wink kiss
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:09pm

Propose this question too ..
why are grown men persuing something they think has no substance ..
just wondering cool

and what ever reason you apply, you can add to my answer and then some smiley

then some = the AntiG device and the crazy substrate on the BB drone, not to mention who and why..
reasonable I assume??
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:16pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:09pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Propose this question too ..
why are grown men persuing something they think has no substance ..
just wondering cool

and what ever reason you apply, you can add to my answer and then some smiley

then some = the AntiG device and the crazy substrate on the BB drone, not to mention who and why..
reasonable I assume??

I’ve already written extensively on aspects which cultivated my personal interest….. wink

(And I don't think any of them would really apply to you kiss).

Quote:
If you'll indulge me I'd like to briefly explain about the Drone phenomenon from a personal perspective, it interests me now as much as it did on day one and my stance/belief has never faltered once, not with the release of the Isaac documentation nor any of the new witnesses, I've always believed it to be a hoax. I guess the experience is similar to how other people may read a good book except it was in real time and I was able to interact with the information supplied (well, to a certain extent). Like I say I've never accepted any of it as a real-world event and I view it as little more than a case-study of sorts, an intriguing puzzle or more simply an unhealthy interest, but an interest nonetheless.

I believe that with the data available at present regarding the Drones that no testimony ('expert' or otherwise) will ever be sufficient to sway the beliefs of those that currently hold opposing viewpoints. That's not to say that the available information that indicates a hoax is not convincing, as I believe it is. But rather it's more a testament to the power of personal belief in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I also think it's important to acknowledge that it was almost a year before the MSM picked it up, before this it had existed entirely on the internet, and indeed it positively thrived in this environment with not one verifiable witness to back it up!! A handful of images and a few written accounts and it's possibly as polarizing a topic now as it was in May 2007 when Chad emailed C2C with his Drone images.

The Drone phenomenon itself, irrespective of whether it's real or fake is nothing short of a self-contained and self-perpetuating meme, indeed I believe it became organic a while ago and as such existed independently of its creators almost instantly, positively flourishing on a strict diet of belief and hypothesis. Then just as the Drone demon seemingly starts to relinquish its grip on the imagination and fade back into obscurity a new witness appears, the new information inevitably adds to the life-force of the Drone demon often rejuvenating the entire enigma.

Consequently the Drone enigma is seemingly powered entirely by belief, regardless of what that belief is as both the pro-real and the pro-hoax camps inevitably 'feed the demon' with their convictions.

If you view the entire Drone phenomenon from a cultural or sociological perspective, or even as a brief look at how the dissemination and propagation of UFO related information is perpetuated in this new era then I have found it to be an insightful and intriguing companion and personally speaking it stopped being about the physical reality of the Drones quite a while ago.

I feel it is well beyond real or hoax and the implications thereof. By this I mean it's not about the physical reality of the Drones per se (i.e. nuts & bolts physicality) but more about the Drone phenomenon in its entirety, and more importantly the resulting beliefs it inspired in researchers and as dismissive as most are I believe it has -and will- shape the perceptions and intrinsically effect the views of all involved for quite some time to come. It's a little like the entire UFO enigma on a more easily interpretable and much smaller scale.

It is within this context that I speak of the origination of the Drones being irrelevant, in this respect its much the same as the ensuing arguments as to which particular anomaly bolsters whoever's particular hypothesis, unfortunately it appears this is a necessary evil and is especially true in the current technological age which the populace have had thrust upon them and it appears practically all have subsequently embraced the "information generation" and the opportunity to interact with media that it presents..

If you emotionally detached oneself from the *scene* and stepped back to view the frenzied analysis and increasingly biased appraisals from both sides. Then in doing so you begin to TRULY appreciate the devastating and polarizing effects that the Drones continue to exert on perceptions, ideals and behaviours. Once this rather unsettling aspect is recognised and accepted then it is most certainly a thing of beauty and one that commands a begrudged respect, a respect that is beheld irrespective of original motivations or by any and all resulting conclusions.

I believe the Drones were more intellectually stimulating than previous attempts at manufacturing similar myths (such as SERPO for example) and they truly were a modern meme, a myth in the making, a hoax.....

(Source)

Cheers!! grin

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:23pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:09pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Propose this question too ..
why are grown men persuing something they think has no substance ..
just wondering cool

and what ever reason you apply, you can add to my answer and then some smiley

then some = the AntiG device and the crazy substrate on the BB drone, not to mention who and why..
reasonable I assume??

Well for me it's who and why. Why may naturally follow.
Has nothing to do with belief or awe in any of it.
Why are you assuming we are all grown men? grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:32pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:23pm, Katterfelto wrote:

Why are you assuming we are all grown men? grin


You are right,.. that was extremely presumptuous on my part.. smiley
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:32pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:09pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Propose this question too ..
why are grown men persuing something they think has no substance ..
just wondering cool


And why should women follow the stupid stuff?
Remember that "Leave my church!"-line? Got back on that one after you should have realized that IA was a deadend?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:43pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:32pm, SiddReader wrote:
And why should women follow the stupid stuff?
Remember that "Leave my church!"-line? Got back on that one after you should have realized that IA was a deadend?


Well, I never said we were married either.. kiss
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:55pm

on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:35pm, ElijahTome wrote:
I am Virgil Crow? Ok, prove it...can you? I dont think you can. Just like I cant prove my Drone affiliation etc.



on Jun 27th, 2009, 2:36pm, ElijahTome wrote:
…not without breaking some rules of engagement... grin


So basically, you just said that we can't prove you are Virgil, at least, not with breaking some R.O.E.?

So, does that mean if someone did break the R.O.E. that we can prove it?

You said, "I don't think you can", which sounds like you are Virgil, having doubts that we can prove it.

It is my opinion that if you were not Virgil, you would sound more sure of yourself that we can't prove it by saying something like "I know you can't ever prove it", or "you can't prove it because I truly am not Virgil". That would sound much more convincing.

But, instead, you said "you don't think we can", which basically sounds like there is a possibility that we can, because you are Virgil.

Oh, b.t.w., care to tells us what the R.O.E. are? Is psychology one of them?

-Anyway-

All we care about, Elijah, is where you got your Isaac/Drone font that you used on your website.

Did you make/recreate the font? Did you steal the font directly from Isaac? Or is there a magical place we can download the font pack off the internet?

That's all we want to know for now.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by murnut on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:59pm

I was out on a date last night.

Her online pics were cute.

Her online profile said she was 37, athletic body type, never married, no kids.

Turns out, 41, many extra pounds, married living w/husband, 2 kids.

She starting crying towards the end of the date.

She needed an emotional friend.

I felt bad for her even though she completely lied to me.

I gave her a hug and said....

"What am I going to do with you?"
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 27th, 2009, 7:09pm

Cool Murnut. Thanks for sharing!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 27th, 2009, 7:35pm

There once was a boy who tried to lie,
he hoped to convince people he could fly,
but when people walked right by,
the boy couldn't figure out why.

Then one day a man says "hi",
and that is when the boy replied;
"I spent all day up in the sky,
I swear to you that I could fly!"

And that is when the man replied,
"Boy, don't even try,
we all know you can not fly, because,
you're always standing here when we walk by."

And when the man said goodbye,
that is when the boy cried.
All his plans have gone awry, because,
he really thought that he was sly.

---

Yes, I just wrote that right now. Obey my copyright!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 27th, 2009, 7:40pm

Nice one, Nev,

could you please shorten the row of zeros and ones, I think this is the reason, why the page shows up a little rare.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 27th, 2009, 7:51pm

Sorry, I changed it. I have a wide screen so everything looked normal to me. -This should be a private IM.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 27th, 2009, 8:00pm

Never mind, everybody should know what happens with those zeroes and ones if they enter our universe.

Now it works great!

But it's late over here, so I say: Nighty-night!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2009, 5:58pm

Seems I have been the last guest on this party and the first one tonight.

Does that mean Elijah gave up? I would rather have dicussed the possibility of such an experiment of phenomenolgy in arts. Seemed to be interesting, until he made it a lie again. But still we could talk about it.

That's why I found Tomi's contact interesting, by the way, and asked you all, to let her talk. I promised her, not to tell you anything, so I waited, what she would tell you.

I still think, Elijah could give us some ideas about phenomonology. If he stops to pretend anything. Just talking about this possible approach.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 28th, 2009, 6:14pm

on Jun 28th, 2009, 5:58pm, SiddReader wrote:
That's why I found Tomi's contact interesting, by the way, and asked you all, to let her talk. I promised her, not to tell you anything, so I waited, what she would tell you.

And your opinion /comment now that you’ve waited and seen what she's told us?

Cheers.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2009, 6:22pm

on Jun 28th, 2009, 6:14pm, DrDil wrote:
And your opinion /comment now that you’ve waited and seen what she's told us?

Cheers.


Tomi is Tomi. And I still love her! Though she did not share anything and even got angry with me again. - But I AM married, and know, how difficult things can be. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 28th, 2009, 6:25pm

Hi Horst!
Somebody said if it takes more than 30 seconds to explain something to a child, then the explainer doesnt know what he's talking about.
That certainly was the case here.
And he had a dozen personalities and fans to help him.

He certainly doen't need more audience or time.
Not everyone who went to india went crazy..many came with messages of peace and love..very simple and powerful.

this one is..by his own words..something for him to feed on..dissolution of souls ..a nihilist .really..a dime a dozen ..not unique..
The only thing after engagng him learned to stay the heck out..
start his own art thread..
I would just like to know after all this time, why DRT say nothing about the PIs they handsomely paid for..

we have enough lies my friend to try undo, than entertain new ones..imo. just mine alone...I m sure more many many will come our way.
Compare Donovans message with primitive designs..and manipulation of imagery..and to the dada dodoist..
which message resonates more
maybe can't compare..
but only one seems to work.



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2009, 6:42pm

You are a little mean, aren't you? I don't want to be mean anymore.

Love and greetz!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 28th, 2009, 6:51pm

hahah Nooo..thats not mean at all..it was good the trojan horse came into the city....and we did not go to sleep..but looked at it carefully!! then set fire to it to see what happens..
My point was we are left with the same people at beginning..
and I am being nicer than Majicbar at DRT is to us..or this fool calling me and Shad his B's..If I were mean..I would show what this..little B can really do!
I think I am being very nice..truly!





Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by murnut on Jun 28th, 2009, 6:55pm

majicbar is drt?

I didn't know that
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Post by Virgil on Jun 28th, 2009, 6:59pm


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Re: The Conclusions of the DRT
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2009, 05:10:52 am »

Quote from: onthefence on June 27, 2009, 03:12:19 am

Quote from: EVS on June 27, 2009, 12:57:59 am

He said they was sometimes visible, and the vessel was a ring with pointy spikes....looked like metal, ...


Thank you very much for sharing!

I hope more people will feel comfortable about sharing their stories.


I wonder how much of history gets lost because people are afraid of ridicule and being treated badly because the are experiencers. The big thing of the skeptics of the drones has been, " Well why don't the witnesses come forward?". Why was EVS's grandfather reticent to come forward with his sightings? Clearly there is a social impediment to honestly bring these things forward and a social bulling which is enforcing the status quo, in which the bullies feel they have control and otherwise they would become recognized as the worthless sludge that they really are.

To make funnier this one didnt care about anyone..just his art and reality altering through seeding propagation of lie.
When a fly dies..a hundred more come to its funeral its said.. smiley
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:05pm

Poor Doc. That explains a lot. shocked
Does make me wonder how objective a researcher he can be as far as drones go given that background. rolleyes
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:10pm

on Jun 28th, 2009, 6:51pm, Mellow Yellow wrote:
hahah Nooo..thats not mean at all..it was good the trojan horse came into the city....and we did not go to sleep..but looked at it carefully!! then set fire to it to see what happens..
My point was we are left with the same people at beginning..
and I am being nicer than Majicbar at DRT is to us..or this fool calling me and Shad his B's..If I were mean..I would show what this..little B can really do!
I think I am being very nice..truly!



Please don't change your mask so often, my friend. I don't like it. I rather would see you, as I know you: An honest, upright person. No need for anything else!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:13pm

If one examines the history ici and ovnis..we see first there is presumption yes the ET exist and technology is under US control..so..all research not uncovered is result of Us or Gov interference, that is presumed to be activeling fighting release.

Same disclosure and orion project people..The US is covering up..all the worlds problems are over if they release the technology to world..
It is also presumed..that agents are among the skeptics..
and so skeptics are the enemy of the people.

@sidd..we disagree..should not mean one is wrong or right..or say yes all the time. If I did..you, nobody could never count on me..I was not hiding anything..I was being honest. My disagreement is with the people who would tie up our whatever is left of it..investigation..
I use imagery to..when words are not enough..
I did not know this is affront to you..
I am sorry..
But that SOB deserved it..that simple..for me especially using a sickness as excuse for deeds..
that make me angrier..


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:28pm

Still I know, you are best, when you are yourself!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:34pm

on Jun 28th, 2009, 6:22pm, SiddReader wrote:
Tomi is Tomi. And I still love her! Though she did not share anything and even got angry with me again. - But I AM married, and know, how difficult things can be. wink


Yes, typical! Tell a man what you are thinking..
Whooshe! tongue wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:41pm

on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:28pm, SiddReader wrote:
Still I know, you are best, when you are yourself!

Tomi please stay out of this this is mansh1t
Im not tomi..
I'm your friend
shes your friend
she's not my friend.

If I put a paper page over my head..you should know me by my words and deeds.
If I wrong I say sorry..
try better next time..

You brung her in
She's your responsibility..

Don't let it get in the way..of what we have to do..
you know if she involved
she is going down
I dont care who's friend she is..


g'nite


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:44pm

on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:13pm, Sys_config wrote:
@sys...we disagree..should not mean one is wrong or right..or say yes all the time. If I did..you, nobody could never count on me..I was not hiding anything..I was being honest. My disagreement is with the people who would tie up our whatever is left of it..investigation..
I use imagery to..when words are not enough..
I did not know this is affront to you..
I am sorry..




You took the words right out of my head.. nobody could say them better for me than you Sys.. smiley
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:48pm

on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:41pm, Sys_config wrote:
I dont care who's friend she is..



No, neither do I really. There are ppl on both sides of this issue I like. A couple accept me for my (ahemm) imperfections, like they accept themselves.. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:51pm

One last order of business here with IA..
I found this:

http://www.kkup.com/marathons/2009/psych/marathonsched.htm

Take a look..

Mar 21, 09 6PM Cupertino Ca - Internal Astronaut and Guest.



smiley
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by murnut on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:58pm

Speaking of hoaxes

http://stargate007.blogspot.com/2009/06/spy-games-revealed.html
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 28th, 2009, 9:01pm

on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:58pm, murnut wrote:
Speaking of hoaxes

http://stargate007.blogspot.com/2009/06/spy-games-revealed.html


that was interesting on Doty...I read at RU on how he wsa being investigated for allegedly hoodwinking that millionaire from Walnut creek..Joe Firmage..into thinking he had secret plans..so many a hoax..even this one..who knows was really targeting the people with bucks..like fox was with santilli..and even the recent Bigfoot scandal.

Now..returning a last time to IA..is best done not merely looking at a flyer announcing him as a dj ..or guest. after all .they have to work..and eat like you or I. and travel extensively.

but by looking at superior artists in the same genre..of maniifestation and creation..
An artist he was closer to the event..of june 26 and had an evolution simialrly evolving work..whose work appears on laptop covers, who has worked with dell..and many game designers.
Android..Jones..
who lives right there in SF and has travel the underground DJ circuit as well as sacre gatherings, including los gatos and the summit.

Between what you saw in IA and what you see here..which resonates more.
listen to manifestation and creation 36 seconds tool/ corel x brushes released spring 2007
used in dragonforce and bluetech june 28, 2007 japan circuit..
takes so far average of nine hours or more to do these.
http://www.myspace.com/narkosis

so follow IA the creative liar , and his device..or andrew and his..
who has proven results..


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2009, 9:08pm

Whoa! that is resonance.. interesting find.
about fibonacci .. wink

The cover for their album came out in 08...

Very interesting find sys...

edit to add: Could this be the father-lode huh
(runs, ducks, hides..) cool

found this: http://androidjones.blogspot.com/
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Virgil on Jun 28th, 2009, 10:09pm

Ive covered those last year..as I had acess to his entire archives.which I wont reveal here.

he had time to to make modifications to dates and such since then..he was questioned..and made an exculpatory remark in 2008 video as to his source.ie art bell.
however..the closes to ground zero
was the blue tech and one metroid prime..

the now changed ed to almost blue tech..was the 28..of june 2007 at the super deluxe. even though archive said june 30..2007..which was not there before.
Thats why I went to hotel schedule.


As I thought..the hotel schedule accomapnying this was June 28, 2007..for the illuminated jam and film shooting with the Canadian GNN people. Guerilla news network.
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He claims to have heard about it on artbell then..became inspired to do it immediately, while in japan.
but if you go to his website you can see most of the works by year.
But a look at all his work..shows a nice evolution. and an opportunity to use corel xs new brushes, or even tweak one himself, they were already available on Habermans Deviant art. But if I am not mistaken..if its the 28 here then in japan its the 27..so if on lap..then he really did it late on the 27th..but lets agree the 28th to be nice.

this will give you the above and much much more..plus itinerarys for travel in ca wa oregon..
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=94340


but now..its time..I've lost two very good friends over this. No hoaxters running scared or hiding in a cave.is worth that to me..
I'll keep in touch with the rest of Arc friends..and hopefully they me.
Besides..if artists were trying to transform reality with their art..who am I to complain..better that than with guns and bullets.
Just some artists need to stick to art and not reality changing like rearranging.. furniture..won't work. imo.
I think some people upstairs got the message..
Hopefully..it was because of us.
good look..when lost ..go back to the beginning..
you'll find a way to the answer.
.if its that important to you.




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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 29th, 2009, 03:42am

Watching Android at work is amazing. And I still have to chuckle about the comments, saying that the LAP was such an immense work, that it must be alien.

Beside his pictures the LAP suddenly looks like scratches in a schoolbook of a bored pupil.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 29th, 2009, 05:49am

Aiyiyiyi... huh

http://www.linkedin.com/companies/carat-interactive?trk=coprofile_most_connected

Just putting this out for everyone to try to make sense of..

http://ufoshome.blogspot.com/2009/06/alienware-behind-dragonfly-ufos-and.html

Vigil, Elijah, whoever you all are.. what light can you shed here.. ?

Personally I don't think Alienware did anything but hijack the design, but the Carat company..


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 29th, 2009, 06:22am

on Jun 29th, 2009, 03:42am, SiddReader wrote:
Watching Android at work is amazing. And I still have to chuckle about the comments, saying that the LAP was such an immense work, that it must be alien.

Beside his pictures the LAP suddenly looks like scratches in a schoolbook of a bored pupil.

Agree 100%. The LAP is more static and perhaps more precision drawn than the free flowing style in much of this artists work. Regardless, it really puts the LAP in perspective as nothing really unique when the storyline is stripped away. Same can be said about all the CGI.
Take away the belief or desire to want the story to be real and the stuff is quite ordinary after seeing what many artists are doing and capable of. cheesy
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 29th, 2009, 06:34am

on Jun 29th, 2009, 05:49am, tomi01uk wrote:
Aiyiyiyi... huh

http://www.linkedin.com/companies/carat-interactive?trk=coprofile_most_connected

Personally I don't think Alienware did anything but hijack the design, but the caret company..



You mean CARET or CARAT?
That CARAT site does not look as if they have a single real client from what I see. Sure have a lot of CEO's. rolleyes
What am I missing besides their name is 80% of CARET?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 29th, 2009, 06:37am

on Jun 29th, 2009, 06:34am, Katterfelto wrote:
You mean CARET or CARAT?
That CARAT site does not look as if they have a single real client from what I see. Sure have a lot of CEO's. rolleyes
What am I missing besides their name is 80% of CARET?


Digging deeper into them for a short bit, they have Nokia even as clients.. but I don't put a lot of weight into them being part of this drone saga..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 29th, 2009, 12:35pm

on Jun 29th, 2009, 06:22am, Katterfelto wrote:
Agree 100%. The LAP is more static and perhaps more precision drawn than the free flowing style in much of this artists work.


Andrew is really great! And I think, he writes history of art with that. When he explained, how he started to work on stage, he said, he never heard of anybody doing this before. And I haven't either. And - as phenomology works sometimes - without Isaac I never would know about Andrew "Android" Jones.

Does anybody remember, where he explained, how he found the LAP? I remember it very vividly, but can't find it back anymore.

(Btw: I don't think, he is involved in any other way, than he said.)
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 29th, 2009, 1:10pm

Just found that he works in some instances with Alex Gray and he has participated in the Burning Man event.

http://www.myspace.com/narkosis
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by blackwater on Jun 29th, 2009, 4:50pm

on Jun 29th, 2009, 12:35pm, SiddReader wrote:
Does anybody remember, where he explained, how he found the LAP? I remember it very vividly, but can't find it back anymore.


Hey Sidd,

he briefly mentions it in his tutorial video "Andrew Jones - Boss Monster".

"The story behind this shape, I did not design this shape, I take no responsibility for this shape. Aliens apparently designed this shape, because it was posted on my favorite Coast to Coast AM website as re-engineered alien technology, and the author said it was actually came from extraterrestrials, and he claimed no credit, so what that means to me is - a really cool shape, and no copyright, yeah, SCORE!"

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I posted this on ATS about a year ago, is this what you were thinking of?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by blackwater on Jun 29th, 2009, 5:02pm

Quote:
Originally posted by tomiuk
Do I have to hand you all the clues?? The DRT .. that means.. Drone Research Team.. consists of 5 early people and two members since. One is a witness, btw.


Hey Tomi, can you refresh my memory, which DRT member was a witness?


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 29th, 2009, 5:27pm

Yes, thanks, Blackwater, this was exactly the source I had forgotten.

Looking again at this timeframe, it really is a very short span of time.

What do you think about creating a brush from the LAP for a show next evening? I also would like to know Radi's opinion and anybody else's, who works with such things.

Is it technically possible, that he saw the LAP on the internet and created these brushes - nearly - immediately?
Or is it more likely, that he got them from somewhere else?

I am still an outsider to that kind of stuff and I am not able, to get an idea, how long such things need.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 29th, 2009, 5:45pm

on Jun 29th, 2009, 5:27pm, SiddReader wrote:
Yes, thanks, Blackwater, this was exactly the source I had forgotten.

Looking again at this timeframe, it really is a very short span of time.

What do you think about creating a brush from the LAP for a show next evening? I also would like to know Radi's opinion and anybody else's, who works with such things.

Is it technically possible, that he saw the LAP on the internet and created these brushes - nearly - immediately?
Or is it more likely, that he got them from somewhere else?

I am still an outsider to that kind of stuff and I am not able, to get an idea, how long such things need.

Hi Sidd, I'm an intermediate user of Corel Draw, mostly small technical diagrams, and it could take me the better part of a day (or 2!) to recreate that. The fonts would be the biggest challange for me. embarassed
I don't know how exact this artists version matches the LAP and that's where a lot of time could be saved. I wonder what program he could have used to create the brush for Painter (perhaps Painter itself but I don't know if that's it's forte with precision drawings?)
Someone with this guys talent could do it quick I'm sure if he's not trying to match everything exactly. I can't envision this guy measuring down to the last pixel or line width. That would be a good thing to check because if his version is dead on it would perk my interest more. grin Maybe someone already did that.

Edit to add: Entirely possible the image could have been imported or traced from the LAP material. Then I would expect it to match closely (including the imperfections shocked ). This could be done very quickly and end any doubt about feasible time to replicate.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by blackwater on Jun 29th, 2009, 6:16pm

on Jun 29th, 2009, 5:27pm, SiddReader wrote:
What do you think about creating a brush from the LAP for a show next evening?


I think it's totally do-able, in fact if he had an internet connection at the show he could have done it right there on the spot.

Here's how he did it-

1. Open an image (for example pacl-lang-analysis-p121-fullsize.jpg)

2. Draw a selection box around the "node", then click Image->Crop.

3. Click Edit-> Define Brush Preset

Done! The node shape that's in the screenshot in my post above is now added to the brush library and you can start painting or stamping it all over the place.

I use Photoshop and Andrew uses Painter X, so the menu names such as "Edit-> Define Brush Preset" might be slightly different, but the process and number of mouse clicks is basically the same.


@Katterfelto

He's not "re-creating" the shapes, drawing out all the lines and circles himself, he's merely copying and pasting them straight from Isaac's .jpg's. I agree with you that if he was drawing them out himself it would take longer, I know from experience because I did this with Illustrator awhile ago. Trying to match everything exactly lined up to the original drawings is very tedious.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 29th, 2009, 6:35pm

Thanks blackwater, makes perfect sense to me even with the little I know of the brush creation process.
These artists are fantastic. cool
I'm still of the opinion this whole thing was hoax for ha's ha's and it's grown larger not by the hoaxsters but by those wanting to solve it.
So, unfortunately grin, I have to somewhat agree with what some of what masker was saying about this never dying. rolleyes
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Radi on Jun 29th, 2009, 8:13pm

on Jun 29th, 2009, 5:27pm, SiddReader wrote:
Yes, thanks, Blackwater, this was exactly the source I had forgotten.

Looking again at this timeframe, it really is a very short span of time.

What do you think about creating a brush from the LAP for a show next evening? I also would like to know Radi's opinion and anybody else's, who works with such things.

Is it technically possible, that he saw the LAP on the internet and created these brushes - nearly - immediately?
Or is it more likely, that he got them from somewhere else?

I am still an outsider to that kind of stuff and I am not able, to get an idea, how long such things need.


Yep its just as blackwater said..One can also see the characters in some of the circles....Also there are other methods of creating these fast....Such as painting over the original circles to hide the text then tracing them in illustrator or other apps that specilize in tracing artwork to turn it into vector curves (Takes a matter of minutes depending on the size and complexity of the art being traced..Which for the Lap shapes is not very difficult a task)....There are apps in the sign industry that surpass illustrator in this catagory....
Once traced and saved in the correct format it could easily be opened in painter and saved as an object or used for a brush...
Here are some more brushes that exsist that resemble the LAP shapes....Have not found a date on these thou...
http://www.brushking.eu/119/vector-circles-brush-set.html
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2009, 8:58pm

on Jun 29th, 2009, 8:13pm, Radi wrote:
<snip>

Here are some more brushes that exsist that resemble the LAP shapes....Have not found a date on these thou...
http://www.brushking.eu/119/vector-circles-brush-set.html

March 10th 2007….. wink

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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Radi on Jun 29th, 2009, 9:08pm

on Jun 29th, 2009, 8:58pm, DrDil wrote:
March 10th 2007….. wink


Guess its the other way around then.. wink
The LAP resembles those brushes...
Thanks Dr.Dil smiley
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 30th, 2009, 03:00am

Thanks for your answers!

Indeed meanwhile it seems to be more interesting, why this story is so intriguing to so many people, including us.

As Katterfelto I think, it was just for the laughter - and I laughed a lot during the two years. Elijah recently demonstrated us, that a hoaxer does not need any reasonable motif.

Congratulations to Isaac anyway. This story caused so much creativity and fun, that I for my part see it as a profit.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 30th, 2009, 06:56am

My thoughts on why:

People like mysteries especially ones that are current and perhaps they can actually contribute to solving. This is regardless of belief in material.

Expose those responsible for various reasons.

Prove you’re right or someone else is wrong.

It’s something to do while expressing all kinds of beliefs and ideas quite freely until true facts come out. It’s a bit difficult (but not unheard of! grin ) to make a fool of oneself before there’s an agreed upon answer. May never be!

Opportunity to improve or learn new skills in things you are interested in that get rekindled along the way. cool

In the end I think it’s plain old human nature: Replace drones and Isaac with something else and all the above and more should still apply. Nothing really unique, I think, when you consider the small number of people actively pursuing a real answer. How normal it is – is another matter! rolleyes

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Jun 30th, 2009, 08:37am

on Jun 29th, 2009, 5:02pm, blackwater wrote:
Hey Tomi, can you refresh my memory, which DRT member was a witness?



Yeah, which one was a witness? I know about Yearout but you said one of the original 5, plus two members since, right? So that would mean one of the original dronies is a witness to a drone? That is news to me, Tomi!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jun 30th, 2009, 10:24am

I could never understand the Jim Jones following or the Heavens -Gate debacle and I just can’t understand how people can be so gullible. Some people must have the lemming gene. Anyhow the drone hoax was more a study in the facets of these phenomena rather than any connection to something genuine. Like a dead whale floating in the ocean, all the sharks and such get a piece of the action and then as the carcass sinks through the ocean depths settling on the ocean floor a whole new set of scavengers invade the remaining corpse. The drone hoax was like a discovery channel presentation on a dead whale, how everybody feeds off of it.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 30th, 2009, 12:04pm

on Jun 30th, 2009, 08:37am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Yeah, which one was a witness? I know about Yearout but you said one of the original 5, plus two members since, right? So that would mean one of the original dronies is a witness to a drone? That is news to me, Tomi!

Wasn’t it Shirley P?

After the fact (but allegedly before the originals), you remember, the mental health worker and who claimed that the Sequoia ranger said it was used to look for fires?! laugh (The DRT traced her if memory serves me correctly).

No camera, got lost while her father was having an ‘episode’ and asked the road crew for directions and was mighty, "Upset" at the CGI accusations levelled at the originals? wink

Cheers. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 30th, 2009, 12:37pm

on Jun 30th, 2009, 12:04pm, DrDil wrote:
Wasn’t it Shirley P?

After the fact (but allegedly before the originals), you remember, the mental health worker and who claimed that the Sequoia ranger said it was used to look for fires?! laugh (The DRT traced her if memory serves me correctly).

No camera, got lost while her father was having an ‘episode’ and asked the road crew for directions and was mighty, "Upset" at the CGI accusations levelled at the originals? wink

Cheers. grin


Yes, those early heady days.. I stated that Shirley was in the group.
But that was the early days..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 30th, 2009, 1:08pm

Once upon a time there was a tavern,
where we used to raise a glass or two.
Remember how we laughed away the hours,
And dreamed of all the great things we would do.

Those were the days my friend,
We thought would never end,
We'd sing and dance forever and a day.
We'd live the life we choose,
We'd fight and never lose,
For we were young (- at least some of us)
And sure to have our way.

Yes, would like to sing it right now, but don't have the time. Maybe later.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 30th, 2009, 1:43pm

ummm.. a bit of trivia:

On Christmas 1975, the President of Equatorial Guinea, Francisco Macías Nguema, had 150 alleged coup plotters executed to the sound of a band playing Mary Hopkin's tune Those Were the Days in a national stadium.. tongue
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jun 30th, 2009, 2:38pm

on Jun 30th, 2009, 1:08pm, SiddReader wrote:
Once upon a time there was a tavern,
where we used to raise a glass or two.
Remember how we laughed away the hours,
And dreamed of all the great things we would do.

Those were the days my friend,
We thought would never end,
We'd sing and dance forever and a day.
We'd live the life we choose,
We'd fight and never lose,
For we were young (- at least some of us)
And sure to have our way.

Yes, would like to sing it right now, but don't have the time. Maybe later.

Hi Sidd smiley,

Great minds think alike?

I linked to that tune almost a year (to the day) ago!!

Perhaps it’s similar to the monkeys, typewriters, and Shakespeare analogy? Perhaps gven an infinite amount of time then perhaps every quote, observation, link and even song that has been posted (relating to the Drone-wars) will be reposted, every word will be re-wrote, every observation echoed and every link followed anew.


God, that’s a depressing thought….. wink laugh


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Greetings!! grin

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jun 30th, 2009, 2:45pm

@Dil: I think, this is the self-activating diagram. All those circles make us run around and around. wink

@Tomi: We call this a "mood canon" over here. I tried to look it up, but only got "great joker", which does not fit to the German term at all.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jun 30th, 2009, 5:36pm

on Jun 30th, 2009, 1:43pm, tomi01uk wrote:
ummm.. a bit of trivia:

On Christmas 1975, the President of Equatorial Guinea, Francisco Macías Nguema, had 150 alleged coup plotters executed to the sound of a band playing Mary Hopkin's tune Those Were the Days in a national stadium.. tongue


Tomi, "alleged coup plotters?"

That should have been written to say:

"alleged coup hoaxters."

Oh, now I get it!

Double negative and all...

Cheers!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jun 30th, 2009, 7:54pm

It is something of a relief to learn (be reminded, whatever) that there is a mental health professional in the Drone Religion Temple. I can sleep a little better tonight.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jul 6th, 2009, 07:24am

Half-Life meets Drone life. grin


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jul 6th, 2009, 10:40am


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jul 6th, 2009, 12:41pm

Got me
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Post by blackwater on Jul 7th, 2009, 8:27pm

Hey Gort, this ones for you,
Gordan Freeman calls George Noory
laugh





Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jul 8th, 2009, 09:16am

on Jul 7th, 2009, 8:27pm, blackwater wrote:
Hey Gort, this ones for you,
Gordan Freeman calls George Noory
laugh






That is too funny, I'm sure the Combine was listening. George took it hook line and sinker. As did many of his viewers I'm sure. Good thing he didn't mention those camera drones otherwise the whole loony dronie group would be looking for the camera lens on the drones. That was great too funny. Thanks.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jul 9th, 2009, 08:26am

That was awesome!
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Post by Gort on Jul 9th, 2009, 10:23am

on Jul 9th, 2009, 08:26am, Marvin wrote:
That was awesome!


It really makes a point, I can't believe the caller didn't crack, not once, I couldn't pull it off I'd be laughing, many talented people around.

I deleted the picture I think it was screwing up the board.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jul 9th, 2009, 7:19pm

Simply reduce it a little in size.

Could I have another cup of tea, please?

Just saw a documentary about Klaus Nomi. Yes, aliens are with us, but they soon die from AIDS. Sad thing. Just before this there was a documentary about Michael Jackson. I was astounded to see Joseph Shaballalah and Lady Smith Black Mambazo. Did not know, they ever worked together. Saw Ladysmith when they first time were mentioned by the media. It was in my home town.

Joseph died from a bullet and Michael is said to have died from a heart attack - though still not confirmed yet. Probably they all just phoned home.

Edit: Klaus not Klaud. Boy... How could I write that one wrong!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jul 11th, 2009, 09:35am

Now the antigravity device has become independant and payed a visit to France!

Even if you should not understand one word French, it will be an interesting study of a witness, who tells his story despite all the fear of MIBs and mockery.

http://www.lepost.fr/article/2009/07/09/1614270_anthony-a-vu-un-ovni-dimanche-dans-le-ciel-de-limoges-haute-vienne.html


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by blackwater on Jul 11th, 2009, 6:05pm

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hahahahaha

is this @!$% ever going to end?



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 12th, 2009, 4:19pm

No.
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Post by SiddReader on Jul 12th, 2009, 4:32pm

End.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jul 12th, 2009, 6:02pm

on Jul 12th, 2009, 4:19pm, Masker33 wrote:
No.

Ah, masker. You seem to thrive on this never ending.
Of course it will never end. Just as lights in the sky will never end. Just as objects seen in the millions of cellphone cameras, camcorders and other cameras will never end. Just as all the believers in ET's and coverups will never come to their senses.
It is what it is. Means nothing really.
You are overly pre-occupied for some reason. You seem to thrill in this lingering on for some reason.
Don't you get it? It's dead except for the few diehards you can count on 2 hands. There's more hardcore skeptics then believers. Perhaps you get pleasure from that, in that it means the drone hoax susceeded in some sense.
It fizzled, burnt out, faded, failed except for a dozen or so people. You included. grin grin grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by murnut on Jul 12th, 2009, 6:12pm

I am not sure the Drones failed in their mission.

Everyone assumes that the mission was to trick to ufo community into belief in a drone reality....or a viral for hollywood....or just for kicks

The mission might have been something else.

Until the mission is known, how can one determine success or failure?

One man's failure is another man's success
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jul 12th, 2009, 6:42pm

on Jul 12th, 2009, 6:12pm, murnut wrote:
I am not sure the Drones failed in their mission.

Everyone assumes that the mission was to trick to ufo community into belief in a drone reality....or a viral for hollywood....or just for kicks

The mission might have been something else.

Until the mission is known, how can one determine success or failure?

One man's failure is another man's success

Hi Mur. smiley
If the mission was something else and no one knows what it was then I still consider it a failure unless done for kicks. grin
And Kicks is what I think. It pales in significance to real world events. A diversion or side trip so to speak. Perhaps a mind game but very few playing. Never saw a cash cow with a viral. Wish I thought of it, but that's life. I'd be busting my guts not from the gullible following but from keeping it a secret.
The next ones will learn and use it as inspiration no doubt.
The same suckers will go for it but others will know what to look for. Unfortunately, there's a sucker born every minute.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by murnut on Jul 12th, 2009, 6:48pm

Exactly what the classified program entailed is still unclear.

The intelligence official said the program was "on-again/off-again" and that it was never fully operational, but he would not provide details.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congress_secret_briefings

Domestic Internet Spying?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by murnut on Jul 12th, 2009, 6:59pm

I'll add this as well


There is little difference between the viral story of Serpo, and the Drone story...in my opinion.

They had a similar "effect" and outcome

By early 2006, the SERPO tale had infected various UFO groups and their related Internet discussions, and was continuing to spread.

Many, including Ron Pandolfi himself, would point to Rick Doty as the most likely source of the SERPO material -- "SERPO-A" -- and by June of 2006, our sources informed us of Pandolfi's intention to use an "unconventional method" to remove Doty from the picture.

In their search to know the future, CIA and other elements in the U.S. Intelligence Community have been shadowed by a growing number of private "intelligence" operations.

I wondered about their Internet presence as new clues to the UFO spy game came into focus.

Ron Pandolfi, operating from the DIA for ODNI MASINT, wrote to a colleague and associate:

"You and I both have interests and reasons for having interests in getting at the truth regarding activities that potentially threaten national security. Let me be clear ... I am not implying any potential truth in the SERPO story. But behind any story there are motivations, players, and possibly facts that are rather disturbing. As such some of us are forced to ask some questions and try to get some answers."


http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/109645
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jul 12th, 2009, 7:00pm

on Jul 12th, 2009, 6:48pm, murnut wrote:
Exactly what the classified program entailed is still unclear.

The intelligence official said the program was "on-again/off-again" and that it was never fully operational, but he would not provide details.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congress_secret_briefings

Domestic Internet Spying?

Don't know. Unfortunately ( or fortunately) the world changed forever after 911 like it or not.
Makes one wonder about the ability of the so called PTB's to keep secrets when something like this makes the headlines. Unless, of course, it's all disinfo too. grin grin grin
I see no connection to Isaac or the CA drones.

I thought SERPO was a joke and a bad one at that.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by murnut on Jul 12th, 2009, 7:03pm

Following the SERPO email affair, AFP and other mainstream news sources reported that the DIA "can operate in cyberspace" and can "conduct the operations inside the United States as well as overseas."

The DIA cyberspace initiative had begun in 2006 "on a trial basis," around the same time Green engaged Pandolfi over the SERPO affair.

The AFP report, which quoted Toby Sullivan, a senior Pentagon CI (counter-intelligence) official, noted that the on-line operations were "not intended to catch spies but to turn their operations to US ends."

The operational use of the Internet by the DIA, inside of the United States, suggests the concept of "virtual flypaper" and "flypaper theory."

It is not entirely impossible for official US Intelligence or their proxies in the private sector to establish enticing "sticky" topics to attract spy-flies.

The big question is how much collateral damage spills over onto US citizens.


http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/109758
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 13th, 2009, 4:18pm

Continues.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jul 16th, 2009, 07:47am

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We are the bored.

Prepare to be unstimulated.


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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 16th, 2009, 1:43pm

Intentional.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jul 16th, 2009, 1:56pm

on Jul 12th, 2009, 6:59pm, murnut wrote:
I'll add this as well


There is little difference between the viral story of Serpo, and the Drone story...in my opinion.

They had a similar "effect" and outcome

<snip>


One of the few things Bennett wrote which I completely agreed with was:


Compared with the sophistication of the CHAD operation (as it shall so be called), the SERPO tale is amateur retro science-fiction, pure schlock bat-winged baboonage of the kind that left the retail shelves generations ago.


Quote:
The Web is of course notorious for launching scams of all kinds. Most Web Radio jocks are ready to take such things in without much questioning, although some are more discriminating than others.

Almost all such scams blow away very quickly, and it must be admitted that most are great fun whilst they last, setting hares chasing in all directions. But on occasion there comes along a story which shows that it is part of a powerful agenda of persuasion and is not merely a light-hearted scam. Such was the Planet SERPO story. Before being blown apart, this story spread vast confusion on the Web as a fine old tale of how a number of Americans were abducted by aliens in the 1960s and taken to Planet SERPO.

Compared with the sophistication of the CHAD operation (as it shall so be called), the SERPO tale is amateur retro science-fiction, pure schlock bat-winged baboonage of the kind that left the retail shelves generations ago.

The only difference is that many claimed the story was real.

Source: Meme Wars - Colin Bennett


Cheers.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 16th, 2009, 3:04pm

Quiet, with all reflections reflected upon. The liking of the mundane, engenders the mundane.
Oh well,
Cheers
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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 18th, 2009, 07:05am

Exhaustive contemplation of the extraordinary is hardly mundane.
Maybe you have more to consider you would like to share.. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 18th, 2009, 5:23pm

Two left on the formed plastic wing of the Drone standing before the green screen of reality. Misaligned trees and shadows poorly matched with original plate. All say no so must go, but you know. Old, very old and trees never there. Too much is shown. Beauty of design even in discarded state. Agreed, to much said all untrue. A Hoax is a Hoax is a Hoax.
grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 18th, 2009, 8:14pm

on Jul 18th, 2009, 5:23pm, Masker33 wrote:
Two left on the formed plastic wing of the Drone standing before the green screen of reality. Misaligned trees and shadows poorly matched with original plate. All say no so must go, but you know. Old, very old and trees never there. Too much is shown. Beauty of design even in discarded state. Agreed, to much said all untrue. A Hoax is a Hoax is a Hoax.
grin grin grin grin grin grin


I follow what you are saying.. strangely enough.. cool
The green screen in particular is very telling wink

A re-creation of sorts?
What's not plastic?
Behind your screen smiley

or in front of it... just a clue...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 19th, 2009, 5:42pm

Tomi, a pic is worth.............
nudge, nudge, wink, wink grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 20th, 2009, 01:24am

on Jul 19th, 2009, 5:42pm, Masker33 wrote:
Tomi, a pic is worth.............
nudge, nudge, wink, wink grin


grrrrrr tongue

lol that's an under-statement if I ever heard one rolleyes grin

but what about the two left ? ...

btw.. are we talking about pieces of the DRAGON FLY DRONE here?

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 21st, 2009, 03:22am

Just thinking.... It's been two years now.. and no leaks from the perpetrators, their kin or associates, ex's and enemies, even second hand information, none has been seen to emerge. Even from the standpoint of selling their information.

What does that imply? This is almost as mysterious to me as the drone saga itself. If it was a hoax for "sport" there would likely be some "noise" out on the internet, and I know we all have searched relentlessly, in all different languages as well...

If there was or is a more serious or sinister angle to this saga, then the possibility of real punitive repercussions could help maintain the silence. Just a few thoughts..

What do you think mask ? wink ol buddy ol pal(s)... cheesy
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jul 21st, 2009, 08:02am

on Jul 21st, 2009, 03:22am, tomi01uk wrote:
Just thinking.... It's been two years now.. and no leaks from the perpetrators, their kin or associates, ex's and enemies, even second hand information, none has been seen to emerge. Even from the standpoint of selling their information.

What does that imply? This is almost as mysterious to me as the drone saga itself. If it was a hoax for "sport" there would likely be some "noise" out on the internet, and I know we all have searched relentlessly, in all different languages as well...

If there was or is a more serious or sinister angle to this saga, then the possibility of real punitive repercussions could help maintain the silence. Just a few thoughts..



I have a different take (no surprise to you, I am sure wink ).

The “hoax” and the “saga” are not unrelated… they are one in the same. The reason for silence is apart of the reason for the “hoax.”

If it were for sport, there would only be “noise” if “they” wanted there to be “noise.” The question is, would you recognize the noise if you heard it?

Some day, when it fits “their” needs… it will all come out. Look how long for the truth behind the Nessie photo took to come out (the 1934 Dr. Wilson photo).

I am sure Masker can fill you in on the rest.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 21st, 2009, 12:25pm

on Jul 21st, 2009, 08:02am, Marvin wrote:
I have a different take (no surprise to you, I am sure wink ).

The “hoax” and the “saga” are not unrelated… they are one in the same. The reason for silence is apart of the reason for the “hoax.”

If it were for sport, there would only be “noise” if “they” wanted there to be “noise.” The question is, would you recognize the noise if you heard it?

Some day, when it fits “their” needs… it will all come out. Look how long for the truth behind the Nessie photo took to come out (the 1934 Dr. Wilson photo).

I am sure Masker can fill you in on the rest.



Yeah, in principle I agree, but this wasn't your average garden variety Scottish lake photo shoot with one surgeon and a floating puppet .... one more thing to add, imo, money is not a factor at all to these people.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 21st, 2009, 2:13pm

Quote:
Yeah, in principle I agree, but this wasn't your average garden variety Scottish lake photo shoot with one surgeon and a floating puppet .... one more thing to add, imo, money is not a factor at all to these people.


The last few posts are (IMO) as close to the true perspective of this as will be allowed now. Something extraordinary controls this Hoax and is not at all concerned about how it is perceived at the moment. Most of the players discovered by good investigation have only been used in the Hoax (IMO). This thing is meant to be rediscovered by many or only by one (IMO).
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jul 21st, 2009, 3:34pm

on Jul 21st, 2009, 2:13pm, Masker33 wrote:
The last few posts are (IMO) as close to the true perspective of this as will be allowed now. Something extraordinary controls this Hoax and is not at all concerned about how it is perceived at the moment. Most of the players discovered by good investigation have only been used in the Hoax (IMO). This thing is meant to be rediscovered by many or only by one (IMO).

Hi Masker,

That’s quite a strange choice of words, I guess where you see, “control” I see, “structure” and to me your, “allowed” is nothing more than, “self-limiting”.

I don’t think it’s been ‘controlled’ in any way shape or form, well, not since (allegedly wink) Raj stopped posting at OMF anyway.

I believe that the original presentation with its staggered releases was the only participation that the hoaxers have played in the resulting debacle, as I’ve said many times previously it is interested parties such as forum members etc. who have fed this particular beast and by doing so enabled it to become organic, and whether this was reliant on any external influences (such as the many forums and their members) or not is surely inconsequential as it was the original presentation that piqued the interest, and wasn’t that a direct result of the structure and methodology which was employed by the perpetrators of the hoax?

And again as I’ve said before to relinquish control of any description to what is believed to be a hoax is self-deprecating to the point of being irresponsible as surely you are selling yourself –massively- short by believing this?

As essentially any control that is perceived must then be credited to what is for all intents and purposes a human-engineered hoax, or am I (yet again grin) missing something?

Personally it seems more like you're simply resigning yourself to the inevitability of your belief and subsequently becoming submissive (as it seems your world-view dictates kiss) rather than a control system of any description, or perhaps at best a projection of control by the beholder which really is a contradiction as the control which is perceived is merely that which the beholder allows and so isn’t really -external- control at all, is it?

Cheers.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jul 22nd, 2009, 09:48am

Interesting thoughts, DrDil. Since this has died down to a few smoldering bits of plastic at the bottom of what was once an impressive bonfire, we have had some time to mull the history a bit. For my part, I have lately been wondering just how much people like myself have contributed to the delusions of others. My choice of "code name" was interpreted by some to be evidence of my being some kind of "spook." Silly me. I thought it was an obvious joke, and even a reference to "Psychospy," a paranormal hero of mine who gets none of the credit he so richly deserves, but that's another very interesting story. But by persisting under this name, I seem to have inadvertently reinforced some silly ideas in minds that really should have known better, thereby making myself culpable to some small degree.

By the "logic" that pervades the believers' camp, any interest from the disinfo community, real or imagined, is solid evidence that there really is something there. There are so many things wrong with that line of "reasoning" that I really don't feel any guilt or remorse about my actions, but then next time I will probably go by Peter Pan or Slartibartfast or Tigger or something like that. Oh yes, there will be a next time...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by signetprotocol on Jul 22nd, 2009, 10:29am

Ok, so the Internal astronaut folks are hoaxers of the hoax. Why so much dam detail and time in doing so? Is Virgil Crow the Tome fellow? I cant seem to find what possible motivation he could have for this act. There isnt even a store on the site to sell things. Mental illness perhaps? The site says ephemeral virgil crow.

http://www.internalastronaut.com/inner.htm

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Kenray on Jul 22nd, 2009, 11:39am

on Jul 21st, 2009, 03:22am, tomi01uk wrote:
Just thinking.... It's been two years now.. and no leaks from the perpetrators, their kin or associates, ex's and enemies, even second hand information, none has been seen to emerge. Even from the standpoint of selling their information.

What does that imply? This is almost as mysterious to me as the drone saga itself. If it was a hoax for "sport" there would likely be some "noise" out on the internet, and I know we all have searched relentlessly, in all different languages as well...

If there was or is a more serious or sinister angle to this saga, then the possibility of real punitive repercussions could help maintain the silence. Just a few thoughts..

What do you think mask ? wink ol buddy ol pal(s)... cheesy


The Event was a fishing expedition (search my name and "fishing expedition" if you've not read that epic)

Isaac is pushing up daisies, and unless someone else made it through the exit door with evidence, the story is over.

The good Doctor may not like my poetry, but at least I don't' expend energy insulting folks i don't' agree with.
Wish it were otherwise, but it just isn't.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jul 22nd, 2009, 11:46am

on Jul 22nd, 2009, 11:39am, Kenray wrote:
<snip>

The good Doctor may not like my poetry, but at least I don't' expend energy insulting folks i don't' agree with.
Wish it were otherwise, but it just isn't.

Not sure whom you're referring to with the 'insult' thing.....
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jul 22nd, 2009, 11:59am

on Jul 22nd, 2009, 10:29am, signetprotocol wrote:
Ok, so the Internal astronaut folks are hoaxers of the hoax. Why so much dam detail and time in doing so? Is Virgil Crow the Tome fellow? I cant seem to find what possible motivation he could have for this act. There isnt even a store on the site to sell things. Mental illness perhaps? The site says ephemeral virgil crow.

http://www.internalastronaut.com/inner.htm

Why not just pop round and ask him/them? wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Albatross on Jul 22nd, 2009, 12:09pm

Kenray,

I googled your name and "fishing expedition", like you said, and found your synopsis of events. In it you say:

"As a professional designer, I can testify that the Issac/CARET documents are, as a unit, a near-unparalleled achievement in graphic design Ð worth hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of professional billable hours."

And as a professional designer, I can tell you that I think you're full of it.
I was initially impressed with the LAP myself - until I started recreating them in Adobe Illustrator. It's actually pretty lazy, design-wise. Lots and lots and lots of cut-and-paste repetition. And through my experience as a graphic designer, I know that it always takes me 5 times the amount of time to back-engineer and recreate somebody else's art than it initially took to create it. So it probably wasn't the near-impossible task that it appears to be on the surface.

I also believe I have enough evidence to prove that the LAP was created in Illustrator - which did not exist in 1986. There are other individuals who've also produced proof that they were created in Illustrator.

Out of curiosity, how long have you been a professional designer?
Were you designing professionally before computers took over the industry?

And hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of billable hourshuh
Where do you workhuh - Are you accepting applications? laugh





Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jul 22nd, 2009, 1:03pm

on Jul 22nd, 2009, 11:39am, Kenray wrote:
The Event was a fishing expedition (search my name and "fishing expedition" if you've not read that epic)

Isaac is pushing up daisies, and unless someone else made it through the exit door with evidence, the story is over.




Hi Kenray,

I understand your point of a “fishing expedition.”

But to buy into that line of thinking, Isaac must be the fish in this case.

If one follows what happens, from Chad to Isaac, Isaac is the fish and the Drones are the bait… then there would have to be some reality to:

1. The Drone components and the Drone vehicle itself.

2. The Caret quarterly report released by Isaac.

3. The individual photos that were released by Isaac (which were also in the quarterly report).

It is interesting to note that Isaac did not just “tip his hand” or give him (or her) self away (and if you recall… was very confident they could not be caught, another issue with the Isaac story, IMO), but Isaac added to the story (and very much was apart of the story).

Isaac claimed to be in management at PACL – Caret. That would have given Isaac access to an uncensored copy of the quarterly report (what good is a censored copy to the group who are actually working on the project??). The copy Isaac shared was censored. That copy did not carry any markings of being sensitive (or having restricted access)… a second question as to why it would be censored. In the reportedly high controlled environment that Isaac claims this stuff to be in (remember the guard with the machine gun in every room?), it just does not make any sense. There is no such thing as an uncontrolled document for internal use only in the kind of environment Isaac described. Either this stuff was extremely sensitive and controlled… or it wasn’t. If this was neither sensitive nor controlled, that would destroy the heart of Isaac’s story (meaning it is fake).

On further scrutiny, the photos of the components are CGI. As pointed out by Saladfingers (Kris Avery), the shadowing of the components are CGI renders (if you enlarge these photos, you will see the issue… the shadow is not solid but more dot like).

Truly, Isaac fits the same “mold” as the rest of the Drone story.

Isaac isn’t dead… Isaac is laughing (which is the meaning of the name).


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 22nd, 2009, 1:15pm

The embers glow again!!!
Tomi, what have we wrought!
A way to show, but few to know.
The one that seemed ancient is the key. Well shown with trees added in!
grin grin grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 22nd, 2009, 2:02pm

Quote:
Personally it seems more like you're simply resigning yourself to the inevitability of your belief and subsequently becoming submissive (as it seems your world-view dictates ) rather than a control system of any description, or perhaps at best a projection of control by the beholder which really is a contradiction as the control which is perceived is merely that which the beholder allows and so isn’t really -external- control at all, is it?


"NOW THAT WOULD BE TELLING"
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jul 22nd, 2009, 3:13pm

on Jul 22nd, 2009, 1:15pm, Masker33 wrote:
The embers glow again!!!
Tomi, what have we wrought!
A way to show, but few to know.
The one that seemed ancient is the key. Well shown with trees added in!
grin grin grin

Hi Masker,

And still no elaboration on your opinion(s) is forthcoming…..

I think that you may be mistaking the fact that others are participating in a conversation (however one-sided) for the prophetic phoenix rising from the ashes or -rising from- as Doubles eloquently phrased it: A few smoldering bits of plastic at the bottom of what was once an impressive bonfire”.

To be honest the contradictory nature of your words and actions is there for everyone to see, you claim it’s a hoax then bestow praise and mysterious machinations on the hoaxers claiming that there is some underlying constant which is exerting control. You say you wish the topic would die and then post when no-one else is, then when others join in you insinuate that it was planned this way and yet most of the members who post here have been around for the duration without the luxury of months away at a time before returning to post the same old tired cryptic comments, all the while implying that there is more to this than you have already previously stated was actually involved.

I assume that, “Seemed” is the operative word in the following quote:

on Jul 22nd, 2009, 1:15pm, Masker33 wrote:
<snip>

The one that seemed ancient is the key.

Seemed: Appear to be something. Used to express uncertainty.

Speaking of which, it seems to me like you have more invested in perpetuating the hoax than anyone else who regularly posts and as for ‘myth-status,’ well….. It also seems that you’ve appointed yourself chief-manufacturer of the envisaged modern-myth, a status which in my opinion will never be attained, of course this may be merely a sub-conscious motivation on your behalf but it manifests itself regularly enough to be qualified as such (i.e. a motivation).

on Jul 22nd, 2009, 2:02pm, Masker33 wrote:
"NOW THAT WOULD BE TELLING"

Actually, the text you quoted was more rhetoric in nature, a statement if you like but nevertheless your constant refusal to elaborate on your ‘opinion/s’ speaks volumes more than any of your earlier comments (IMO wink).

Lastly I couldn’t help but notice you removed my blatant show of affection from the comment you quoted.....

So c’mon guys, group hug!! User Image

Cheers. kiss

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 22nd, 2009, 4:42pm

As I remember:"Now that would be telling" is an oft used phrase from the Prisoner. This series and to some degree The Avengers can be a light hearted look at my opinion of the Drone saga. Yes, the perceiver probably does created the perceived. Just think of me as being fickle and unsure of my knowledge on this and all will be well with you.

Be seeing you.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 22nd, 2009, 5:13pm

on Jul 22nd, 2009, 4:42pm, Masker33 wrote:
As I remember:"Now that would be telling" is an oft used phrase from the Prisoner. This series and to some degree The Avengers can be a light hearted look at my opinion of the Drone saga. Yes, the perceiver probably does created the perceived. Just think of me as being fickle and unsure of my knowledge on this and all will be well with you.

Be seeing you.


Now you’ve shattered my illusions as I thought you meant the classic tune!! (“I'll be seeing you in all the old familiar places”)

What do you want?
Information.

Whose side are you on?
That would be telling. We want information.

Who is Number One?

I’m not a number, I’m a free man.

I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, de-briefed, or numbered.

My life is my own.


on Jul 22nd, 2009, 4:42pm, Masker33 wrote:
Be seeing you.


In time old friend, in time…..
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Cheers!! wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jul 22nd, 2009, 5:19pm

Our friend 33 has an icy feel. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 22nd, 2009, 5:35pm

One must obey rules in a situation where one may profit eventually from obeying those rules. The Drone would have fit very nicely into the Prisoner Scheme. Maybe as the carrier of the White Ball. Times, they have changed. The Village soon coming to an area near you.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 22nd, 2009, 6:05pm

on Jul 22nd, 2009, 1:15pm, Masker33 wrote:
The embers glow again!!!
Tomi, what have we wrought!
A way to show, but few to know.
The one that seemed ancient is the key. Well shown with trees added in!
grin grin grin


A little Chaos ... wink


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jul 22nd, 2009, 7:57pm

on Jul 22nd, 2009, 6:05pm, tomi01uk wrote:
A little Chaos ... wink

As ELO rarely gets mentioned I guess it’s an opportune moment to mention one of their album covers which is vaguely reminiscent of something, can’t quite put my finger on it though, but I think it’s something to do with the symbols and the segmented circles as it’s so strikingly unique and (I think laugh) unprecedented…..

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Cheers!! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jul 22nd, 2009, 9:40pm

I wonder what would happen if you were to play that backwards. grin
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Post by murnut on Jul 22nd, 2009, 9:42pm

on Jul 22nd, 2009, 7:57pm, DrDil wrote:
As ELO rarely gets mentioned I guess it’s an opportune moment to mention one of their album covers which is vaguely reminiscent of something, can’t quite put my finger on it though, but I think it’s something to do with the symbols and the segmented circles as it’s so strikingly unique and (I think laugh) unprecedented…..

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Cheers!! grin



Where is Numbers when you need him?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jul 23rd, 2009, 07:34am

on Jul 22nd, 2009, 7:57pm, DrDil wrote:
As ELO rarely gets mentioned I guess it’s an opportune moment to mention one of their album covers which is vaguely reminiscent of something, can’t quite put my finger on it though, but I think it’s something to do with the symbols and the segmented circles as it’s so strikingly unique and (I think laugh) unprecedented…..

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Cheers!! grin




You know DrDill, that has its roots from “Out Of The Blue”. It is one of my favorites.


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Side One
# Title Length
1. "Turn to Stone" 3:42
2. "It's Over" 4:08
3. "Sweet Talkin' Woman" 3:48
4. "Across the Border" 3:52

Side Two
# Title Length
1. "Night in the City" 4:02
2. "Starlight" 4:30
3. "Jungle" 3:51
4. "Believe Me Now" 1:21
5. "Steppin' Out" 4:38

Side Three (Concerto for a Rainy Day)
# Title Length
1. "Standin' in the Rain" 4:20
2. "Big Wheels" 5:10
3. "Summer and Lightning" 4:13
4. "Mr. Blue Sky" 5:05

Side Four
# Title Length
1. "Sweet Is the Night" 3:26
2. "The Whale" 5:05
3. "Birmingham Blues" 4:21
4. "Wild West Hero" 4:40

2007 bonus tracks
18. "Wild West Hero" (Alternate Bridge - Home Demo) – 0:24
19. "The Quick and the Daft" – 1:49
20. "Latitude 88 North" – 3:24



The best was saved for last. wink


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jul 23rd, 2009, 07:52am

on Jul 22nd, 2009, 6:05pm, tomi01uk wrote:
A little Chaos ... wink





It's a scary thing....


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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 23rd, 2009, 1:20pm

Yep, it's scary. Isn't it Mask cheesy

Maybe D. Lynch was on to something.. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 23rd, 2009, 1:24pm

And as it goes, it seems to stay.
A myth is a myth is a myth.
Just a silent saga asleep.
A story yet revealed, waiting for a new audience.
grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 23rd, 2009, 1:58pm

on Jul 23rd, 2009, 1:24pm, Masker33 wrote:
And as it goes, it seems to stay.
A myth is a myth is a myth.
Just a silent saga asleep.
A story yet revealed, waiting for a new audience.
grin grin grin grin grin grin


Who are you this week? Joseph Campbell? rolleyes wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 23rd, 2009, 2:22pm

The Hero with a thousand faces!!!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 25th, 2009, 04:53am

on Jul 23rd, 2009, 2:22pm, Masker33 wrote:
The Hero with a thousand faces!!!


So grasshopper, what have you learned on your hero's journey?
The fool is the twin of the wise?? wink




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 25th, 2009, 4:54pm

To recognize the truly curious world called reality and how often it shows signs of wear and leakage from elsewhere.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jul 25th, 2009, 7:34pm

on Jul 25th, 2009, 4:54pm, Masker33 wrote:
To recognize the truly curious world called reality and how often it shows signs of wear and leakage from elsewhere.

Sorry but this game is wearing very thin. I can count on one finger or less anything of substance you have added to any of this. You're a walking proverb who answers questions with nothing.
What a waste of O.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 27th, 2009, 3:22pm

on Jul 25th, 2009, 7:34pm, Katterfelto wrote:
Sorry but this game is wearing very thin.

<snip>



But it's the only game in town..... wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jul 27th, 2009, 3:26pm

Quote:
Asemic writing (Wikipedia)


Asemic writing is a wordless open semantic form of writing.
The word asemic means "having no specific semantic content".


Illegible, invented, or primal scripts (cave paintings, doodles, children's drawings, etc.) are all influences upon asemic writing. But instead of being thought of as mimicry of preliterate expression, asemic writing can be considered as a postliterate style of writing that uses all forms of creativity for inspiration.

Some asemic writing has pictograms or ideograms, which suggest a meaning through their shape. Other forms are shapeless and exist as pure conception.

Asemic writing has no verbal sense, though it may have clear textual sense. Through its formatting and structure, asemic writing may suggest a type of document and, thereby, suggest a meaning. The form of art is still writing, often calligraphic in form, and either depends on a reader's sense and knowledge of writing systems for it to make sense, or can be understood through aesthetic intuition.

Asemic writing can also be seen as a relative perception, whereby unknown languages and forgotten scripts provide templates and platforms for new modes of expression.

Asemic writing occurs in avant-garde literature and art with strong roots in the earliest forms of writing.
Source: Wikipedia/Asemic writing

I happened across a post by Mac Tonnies recently at the excellent Blog (PosthumanBlues) in which Mac posted the following image stating that it:

“features glyphs superficially similar to those found in the notorious CARET documents.”

The image was originally posted to a Blog called, “The New Post-literate: A Gallery Of Asemic Writing” (Michael Jacobson) was originally by Morgan Taubert and is titled, “A Love Letter to June”.

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I’ve posted the enlarged version of the section which is highlighted in red to the right of the images/s just so perhaps you can get a better feel for the comparison. As Mac said it’s only ‘superficially’ similar and I would personally say its ‘suggestive’ of the CARET documents but either way it is sort of vaguely reminiscent of them.

Here’s another image which is titled, “Second Try” and is by Becky "Spex" Baxley:

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Source: TheNewPostLiterate.

Again there is no more than a subtle likeness at best but the pictures weren’t what I found particularly interesting…..

After looking a little further I came across a website by someone called Tom Venning whom is an artist and practises asemic writing, however what I found interesting was a single page hidden away where he elaborates on what asemic writing means to him personally, i.e. the reasons he practices it and what his interpretation of it is.

What immediately struck me was that this particular viewpoint and subsequent explanation was infinitely more appropriate in describing the LAP than the absolute drivel which which Isaac released:

Quote:
Asemic writing


Wordless writing, illegible writing, new forms of writing.

Asemic writing has no semantic content. The letters are illegible, invented, or primal. The text has no verbal sense. Through its formatting and structure, it may suggest a type of document, or coded diagram, thereby, hint at meaning. Asemic writing can be understood through aesthetic intuition… through gut feeling. Each of my paintings is a story, an anatomy, a map or ancient scroll that the trained mind can decipher… the deciphering being the training that it takes to understand, to read the text of the story the viewer imagines, the feelings the painting invokes, the experiences it awakens.

The letters of my alphabet are numerous… each letter being a line, but the full impact of the letter on its word being described by the shape of the line. It is as if the lower curve of the letter "S" modifies the meaning of the top curve of the letter "S" so that the letter could either be a sharp "S" or soft "S" or a sly "S" depending on its curves…

So each line is a letter. But each line/letter slightly modifies the meaning of the letters surrounding it until the lines form a series and thus a word. So a words meaning can subtly change, similar to the 250 (or however many) words the Inuit have for describing snow… always starting with an "S" and its associated sounds and intuitions depending on its shape… and always spelt "S-N-O-W", with each letter gently influencing the full description of the snow. So you see my written language has an infinite number of ways to describe snow…

… and of course the meaning of each series, of each word, effects the meaning of the words around it, a gently rolling of infinite subtlety of meaning. Ultimately the story, scientific description, or mapped code is the landscape formed by the lines and series… and the landscape is not fixed, it changes according to which direction your eye moves across it… just as a steep decline is easy to slide down, but a steep incline almost impossible to climb up. So to understand the text you need to stop awhile and meditate on the landscape, letting your eye and mind flow over the curves and swirls until your aesthetic intuition begins to unravel and decipher the text.

The story is my story of my state when painting, of my feeling for the painting, of my feeling for the subject, of my feeling for myself and my brush. The story is also yours, the viewer, of your state, and the filters you employ (your judgments) to decipher my communication… then you understand.


Source: Tom Venning.

Highly irrelevant I suspect but nevertheless personally I found it quite compelling….. wink

Cheers. grin


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 27th, 2009, 3:49pm

Game?
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Post by DrDil on Jul 27th, 2009, 4:06pm

on Jul 27th, 2009, 3:49pm, Masker33 wrote:
Game?

Hell yes!! kiss

Which part of the definition are you struggling with?

Game: an activity that people participate in, together or on their own, for fun.

But besides that I was actually referencing a famous quote:

Quote:
The headline quote comes from an often told story about a Mississipi riverboat gambler, who had a severe addiction to his vocation. Upon making an unscheduled stop in a small riverside town notorious for its crooked game, he proceeds to the gambling emporium and loses all his money. Upon his return to the riverboat, complaining of his losses, a friend and fellow riverboat gambler questions the man's sanity by saying, "You knew the game was crooked; why did you play?" The gambler's response is the now famous, "Because it's the only game in town."

This was also referenced & paraphrased in the Colin Bennett (Meme wars) article on the Drones I linked to not long ago, but I guess the short answer to your question is:

Yes and the 'Game Is Fixed'.

Cheers. wink

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 27th, 2009, 5:14pm

Quote:
Yes and the 'Game Is Fixed'.

Correct.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jul 27th, 2009, 5:33pm

on Jul 27th, 2009, 4:06pm, DrDil wrote:
Yes and the 'Game Is Fixed'.

on Jul 27th, 2009, 5:14pm, Masker33 wrote:
Correct.

Fixed = Hoax
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jul 27th, 2009, 5:55pm

A psychological game in where the participants are inundated with information that runs in contrast with their personal beliefs on what makes reality different from that of a lucid dream.



It is a lesson in Phenomenology Kiddies. Been trying to tell ya for a while now.



Its as real as anything you or any faction of individuals could convey (through design and manufactered elements) or as 'fake' as the nightmare you may have had last night.



In the expansive labyrinth of consciousness the subtle details between thought and action are of little consequence, rather, intent is the key to causality in such a realm. The intent was to play a game, a trick, a mass hallucination in which you were all Pawns, Rooks, Knights and Bishops.

The great Oz sat behind the curtain and presented the projection of the magnificent Drone Iconography, with flying apparatus in hand, he manipulated your emotions as if they were strings on his violin, making you sing, whine and play the song of mystery and intrinsic yearning for something more than 'real'.
shocked
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jul 27th, 2009, 6:07pm

on Jul 27th, 2009, 5:55pm, ElijahTome wrote:
The intent was to play a game, a trick, a mass hallucination in which you were all Pawns, Rooks, Knights and Bishops.

A ‘mass hallucination’?

You’re not a Drone witness are you? laugh

I guess in that little analogy you would be what?

The queen? shocked


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jul 27th, 2009, 6:23pm

Sure, If the queens dress fits, I will wear it. Although the heels might be a problem, I wear a size 15 in shoes. Yes, men with big feet have big shoes. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jul 27th, 2009, 6:48pm

Who's kidding who with tacking on attributes to keep this joke going?
LMAO over the audience size - both believers and skeptics. What is it, a few dozen or so? Gellers spoon bending circus had a bigger following. laugh

Anyone trying to continue pushing any of this as real or some experiment, plan, acclimation etc. is in La La Land regardless of their shoe or mask size. rolleyes
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Jul 27th, 2009, 6:56pm

Here-Here! grin (La-La Land is just asross the street from OZ btw)
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jul 27th, 2009, 7:09pm

on Jul 27th, 2009, 6:56pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Here-Here! grin (La-La Land is just asross the street from OZ btw)

Nope, it's not. Dorothy and the Yella Brick Road don't go through that neighborhood. The Wiz deserves it's following.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 27th, 2009, 7:15pm

on Jul 27th, 2009, 5:55pm, ElijahTome wrote:
The intent was to play a game, a trick, a mass hallucination in which you were all Pawns, Rooks, Knights and Bishops.

The great Oz sat behind the curtain and presented the projection of the magnificent Drone Iconography, with flying apparatus in hand, he manipulated your emotions as if they were strings on his violin, making you sing, whine and play the song of mystery and intrinsic yearning for something more than 'real'.
shocked


Lions and tigers and bears .... oh my! shocked

Who's intent was it to play this game ?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Jul 27th, 2009, 7:52pm

on Jul 27th, 2009, 7:15pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Lions and tigers and bears .... oh my! shocked

Who's intent was it to play this game ?


And what does the ending of the Wiz tell you? The techno show and charade was bull revealed by a pesky curious dog. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 28th, 2009, 02:26am

on Jul 27th, 2009, 7:52pm, Katterfelto wrote:
And what does the ending of the Wiz tell you? The techno show and charade was bull revealed by a pesky curious dog. grin

Yeah, well this ain't Kansas anymore, and Toto is on the loose and the Munchkins want to know......
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jul 28th, 2009, 08:54am

And all of this silliness is trying to build credibility into what?


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 28th, 2009, 11:19am

Quote:
And all of this silliness is trying to build credibility into what?

A hoax.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Jul 28th, 2009, 11:36am

No big revelation there. It's always been a hoax.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 28th, 2009, 8:06pm

Yes, just a hoax of minor import. With a small audience, Tomi. lipsrsealed
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jul 29th, 2009, 04:50am

Kinda like when a lizard drops its tail to get away from a predator, the tail still wiggles for a while. I guess that’s to keep the predator interested.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jul 29th, 2009, 10:17am

Dang, Gort! You are as deadly accurate with that eye-lazer as DrDil is with his scalpel. That was funny, too. laugh laugh
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jul 29th, 2009, 10:32am

on Jul 29th, 2009, 10:17am, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Dang, Gort! You are as deadly accurate with that eye-lazer as DrDil is with his scalpel. That was funny, too. laugh laugh


Thanks, some say I have a warped sense of humor?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 29th, 2009, 12:38pm

Exactly as the lizard is designed.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 29th, 2009, 12:39pm

on Jul 28th, 2009, 8:06pm, Masker33 wrote:
Yes, just a hoax of minor import. With a small audience, Tomi. lipsrsealed


Glad your sense of humor carries through grin

btw.. who is the lizard here huh grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 29th, 2009, 3:29pm

The lizard looses his tail, but he will grow another. The predator looses his meal. He may starve.

The lizard is a reptilian and that really is too funny. grin grin grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Jul 29th, 2009, 4:39pm

Funny to see you talk the same nonsense. Do you really remember what was the topic? wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Jul 29th, 2009, 4:53pm

Not lizards.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 29th, 2009, 5:32pm

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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 31st, 2009, 03:12am

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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 31st, 2009, 04:59am

on Jul 31st, 2009, 03:12am, tomi01uk wrote:
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Hey, THIS IS ISAAC!

The drones needed a new Oscillation Overthruster and that's why they disappeared Tomi.

Good Find!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 31st, 2009, 05:27am

on Jul 31st, 2009, 04:59am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Hey, THIS IS ISAAC!

The drones needed a new Oscillation Overthruster and that's why they disappeared Tomi.

Good Find!


I was thinking more along the lines of:

This is your brain on lizards..
This is your brain on drones..
any questions.. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Jul 31st, 2009, 07:54am

on Jul 31st, 2009, 04:59am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Hey, THIS IS ISAAC!


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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Jul 31st, 2009, 08:29am

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Just thinking out loud...


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 31st, 2009, 12:05pm

Has anyone seen this before or is this another "coincidence"? huh

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Found this post from:
http://communities.anomalies.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=244794&page=1

"I was browsing amazon.com and came across a CD cover image seen below. Look vaguely familiar in some respect? Its almost like Titors' symbol turned. It is the cover of the 1998 album by Front 242 titled, "Live Code" that has been re-released."

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Jul 31st, 2009, 1:05pm

Hey, yeah! We can talk about Titor for a while. That would be an improvement, actually. He drove a Corvette! Way cooler than Isaac's wreck:

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Titor even fooled some people.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Jul 31st, 2009, 1:13pm

This is interesting:

http://images.google.com/images?q=cycloid+reducer&hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&um=1&sa=2

http://images.google.com/images?q=cycloid+&btnG=Search+images&hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&um=1&sa=2

And don't shoot the messenger, I'm only posting what I've found for perusal..

http://colloidalgoldmachines-central.com/Research/Caret005.htm

Edit to add:

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His concepts seem plausible..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Jul 31st, 2009, 3:38pm


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 1st, 2009, 06:03am

OK.... rolleyes

As if we really needed more testosterone poisoning around here.... wink

http://www.vitasprings.com/leviathan.html

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hmmm.. maybe I could use some grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 1st, 2009, 06:45am

Holy Toledo ! shocked

Seriously busy, Leviathan, seriously busy..

http://www.paloaltolabs.com/products.html

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Best wishes for your venture!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Aug 1st, 2009, 3:28pm

http://www.colloidalgold.info/

rolleyes What a surprise...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 1st, 2009, 4:43pm

Buyer beware and most everyone else. grin grin grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Aug 1st, 2009, 6:46pm

What a way for it all to end. Lizards, muscle enhancers, figures in trees and kookie pseudo products. cry
I would have preferred a whimper. Oh well.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Double Nought Spy on Aug 1st, 2009, 9:59pm

I can only think of one reason these geniuses haven't gone and joined the exopolitics bs express.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 2nd, 2009, 08:40am

Quote:

There are always people in the UFO movement that will stand-up for the idiot of the day, then as the smoke clears and another UFO hoax is exposed, these same people will stand-up for the next one as if they have learned nothing.....

Most people don't want UFO information, they want to be entertained by UFO story tellers.


Source: Jan Aldrich.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 09:12am

Been working on deciphering the IA website symbols.
Here's something to begin with for anyone else who has a mind to explore this further.. wink

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From what I've learned so far, a few letters have different but similiar shapes and all of this was hand drawn and ciphered. and there's a lot in that website..

edit to add:

Just found this in a google search but can go no further, it completes the part I couldn't decipher:

"This was the dawning of the Temporal Decompression Device and the beginning of said operatives understanding of the I.A. ia Spatial mathematics dictates ..."

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22this+was+the+dawning+of+the+temporal%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 2nd, 2009, 11:17am

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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Aug 2nd, 2009, 11:30am

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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 11:32am

Quote:
Most people don't want UFO information, they want to be entertained by UFO story tellers.


And so it ends,
Solved and neatly filed.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Aug 2nd, 2009, 11:38am

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 11:32am, Masker33 wrote:
And so it ends,
Solved and neatly filed.

Yep, one little joke that's barely funny to a small audience.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 2nd, 2009, 11:40am


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 12:08pm

And the audience dwindles and dwindles until none are left. The memory having ceased and all is black.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Aug 2nd, 2009, 12:43pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 12:08pm, Masker33 wrote:
And the audience dwindles and dwindles until none are left. The memory having ceased and all is black.

Right on! grin
So what are you going to do Masker as the crowds and the short lines thin out more? smiley
Sure there will always be the brief resparking of interest in the possible reality of any of it. I'm not sure if that outweighs the growing mockery aspect. If we're lucky it could even be used someday as an example of what not to do. Oh the irony. rolleyes
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 2:44pm

Keep very quite about many things and wait.
Practice makes perfect for someone, somewhere.
Maybe post some work, maybe not.
Go up in smoke. cool
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Aug 2nd, 2009, 2:49pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 2:44pm, Masker33 wrote:
Keep very quite about many things and wait.
Practice makes perfect for someone, somewhere.
Maybe post some work, maybe not.
Go up in smoke. cool

Fair enuff.
Same for me except I don't want to go up in smoke. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 2nd, 2009, 2:54pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 09:12am, tomi01uk wrote:
Been working on deciphering the IA website symbols.
Here's something to begin with for anyone else who has a mind to explore this further.. wink

<image snipped>

From what I've learned so far, a few letters have different but similiar shapes and all of this was hand drawn and ciphered. and there's a lot in that website..

edit to add:

Just found this in a google search but can go no further, it completes the part I couldn't decipher:

"This was the dawning of the Temporal Decompression Device and the beginning of said operatives understanding of the I.A. ia Spatial mathematics dictates ..."

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22this+was+the+dawning+of+the+temporal%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=


Hi Tomi,

To be honest I haven’t revisited the IA website since I satisfied myself that it was incredibly likely that they were merely ‘pretenders to the Drone' but I checked it out after your link and noticed straight away that since the peculiar and almost schizophrenic representation of Virgil Crow was made here at Casebook by several posters (including Virgil himself) a disclaimerupdate’ has [since] been added to the site which is as follows:

User Image


Also I couldn’t recall seeing the website/webpage title of, "IASR" before:

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Internal Astronaut 02nd August 2009


So I had a quick look at the cache and as recently as the 22nd July (2009) it read as follows:

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Cached Internal Astronaut website 22nd July 2009


Hmm…..

I’m sure Elijah will call in when he has the time to further enlighten, us but in my humble opinion it seems as if the inspiration behind this most recent motivation lies squarely at the feet of introducing the CARET symbols to the site and the subsequent passive-aggressive promotion that was then undertook and which this forum was (partly) witness to.

Cheers.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 2nd, 2009, 3:00pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 12:08pm, Masker33 wrote:
And the audience dwindles and dwindles until none are left. The memory having ceased and all is black.

I know your mark and recognise it well.

The time of change is almost upon us……

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 2nd, 2009, 4:46pm

Email from ONTHEFENCE to IA:

Help me understand the "Drone Icon", Have I got this right?

1. Some device in conjunction with a person created an illusion of a craft.

A: TRUE (sort of) not person, but persons.

2. That device makes a low frequency sound and produces slight static electricity crackling sounds.

A: TRUE (several witnesses have reported such, although interpretations vary on several key points due to the perspective of the intellect viewing)

3. The illusion in the sky can only be seen close to the vicinity of the device and the person in charge, outsiders a few feet away will see nothing.

A: FALSE (Sort of) Certain individuals within a group may not see such Icons, while others will be able to point out and agree on minute details.

4. The device is capable of "anti-gravity" but the illusion (in the sky) is not "anti-gravity".

A: TRUE (Sort of) The device is not tangible. You have to try to move away from the conventional way of thinking of such machinations. It is older than combustion engineering and has nothing at all to do with carbon based technology. Notice: I did not say it is of an alien origin. I have no real idea, nor is there really any way of knowing who and or what created the device.

You have the basic idea right in your head. Most of the folks on UFOCASEBOOK are stuck in the spectrum of 20th century physics and are not able or willing to fathom anything that may fall under the guise of
'pseudo-science or worse, the dreaded 'spiritual dynamic' and are theref are missing the point all together. The next step in evolution is at hand,
Science and the spiritual self need not contradict one another, they are merely flip sides of the same ancient coin.

Good luck in your noble quest,

E Tome








Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 2nd, 2009, 4:51pm

IASR:

Internal Astronaut Subversive Repatterning
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 5:09pm

Quote:
I know your mark and recognise it well.

The time of change is almost upon us……


What change is this!

Do we see the wolves at the edge of the forest, their eyes upon the sheepfold!

I do not see much change for some time to come. Those who use the magic have made the sheep simple even at high levels.

Why no mention of "District 9"! lipsrsealed

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 5:52pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 11:40am, SiddReader wrote:


Thanks Sid.. timely cool


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 2nd, 2009, 6:18pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 4:46pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Email from ONTHEFENCE to IA:

<snip>

You have the basic idea right in your head. Most of the folks on UFOCASEBOOK are stuck in the spectrum of 20th century physics and are not able or willing to fathom anything that may fall under the guise of
'pseudo-science or worse, the dreaded 'spiritual dynamic' and are theref are missing the point all together.

<snip>


Oh I wouldn’t let that bother you too much Elijah as after reading your post you more than make up for those of us who require a little more than your word as absolute proof, and to be fair several posters already commented that you had a similar ‘mindset’ as many members of the DRT and that you would certainly be welcomed and no doubt feel a great deal more reassured if you were to pursue a membership there.

I am however massively flattered that our cynicism in accepting any truth will be found in the hoaxed material evidently weighs heavily enough on your mind that you would mention us completely unprompted when discussing the Drone/Isaac hoax with a founding member of the DRT.

There was one thing of interest though, and that’s if you contact OTF again could tell him that I send my best wishes.

Cheers.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Aug 2nd, 2009, 6:31pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 4:51pm, ElijahTome wrote:
IASR:

Internal Astronaut Subversive Repatterning


I want need my MTV IASR rolleyes
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 2nd, 2009, 6:36pm

I only want to add, that I am a little disappointed by you, Elijah. Talking to members of the DRT is not the same as talking to us here. Maybe I expected too much from you in that case.

Greetings from here, too.

At least it was a lot of fun. Masker may tell the last joke. I guess, he will have the last word anyway - so why not a joke?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 2nd, 2009, 6:50pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 5:52pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Thanks Sid.. timely cool


That's the point, where many cannot follow: We started to care for each other.

Some even jumped off the train, when they realized it. I hope they landed softly...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:29pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 6:50pm, SiddReader wrote:
That's the point, where many cannot follow: We started to care for each other.

Some even jumped off the train, when they realized it. I hope they landed softly...


Meanwhile, that light at the end of the tunnel.... wink
is everybody's different version of reality i suppose.. tongue
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:30pm

OTF contacted me in regards to the Drone Icon. I am not really familiar with the DRT folks.

BTW: I think this forum (UFOCASEBOOK) is great, although slightly closed minded towards ideas that run beyond the framework of conventional ideology. The investigative skills of certain members are second to none, I enjoy the exchange, even the seemingly negative aspects of such.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:36pm

Thought:

It is interesting to fathom the specific motivations behind the main 'players' on this forum. It is almost, or more so interesting than the motives behind the Icon Experiment in general. What would Masker, Tomi, Sidd and Config (to name a few) be doing with themselves if not for sniffing out clues to the perpetual mystery at hand? big HMMM.

kiss



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:37pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:30pm, ElijahTome wrote:
OTF contacted me in regards to the Drone Icon. I am not really familiar with the DRT folks.

BTW: I think this forum (UFOCASEBOOK) is great, although slightly closed minded towards ideas that run beyond the framework of conventional ideology. The investigative skills of certain members are second to none, I enjoy the exchange, even the seemingly negative aspects of such.


Well Elijah, some are cynical from experience and fustration, but we all want the real answers. To me, it doesn't necessary matter what is real, except that the answers be real.

Theories are welcome. Answers have to be tangible to fit the evidence. Problem is, most ppl are even arguing over that.. tongue


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:48pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:36pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Thought:

It is interesting to fathom the specific motivations behind the main 'players' on this forum. It is almost, or more so interesting than the motives behind the Icon Experiment in general. What would Masker, Tomi, Sidd and Config (to name a few) be doing with themselves if not for sniffing out clues to the perpetual mystery at hand? big HMMM.
kiss

Human nature. Nothing unique there. No study or "experiment" needed. Yes, I've wasted a lot of time following this show but no more than watching Seinfield. grin
Don't put too much into the "Icon" aspect of it.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:49pm

I am sure I will catch hell for this, but here goes:

Reality and seemingly tangible existence is an illusion. The 'answers' you seek are only a minuscule aspect of a program of ethereal design and implication. The questions that you ask are far more important than any answer, 'true or false' that you may receive. For 'True or False' are both aspects of a 'make believe' psychodrama designed to perpetuate itself.



And now the flood gates open, and Elijah is washed away by the wraith of judgment! grin

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:51pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:36pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Thought:

It is interesting to fathom the specific motivations behind the main 'players' on this forum. It is almost, or more so interesting than the motives behind the Icon Experiment in general. What would Masker, Tomi, Sidd and Config (to name a few) be doing with themselves if not for sniffing out clues to the perpetual mystery at hand? big HMMM.

kiss




Why are you here? What's the attraction sans everything else in life to putting so much effort into creating a site that someone has to spend half a day to decipher one page of?
(ok.. I'm slow..)

Your talents would be put to better use helping to solve the mysteries of this world in tanglible form, rather than increasing the mass by adding etherial qualities to it.. btw how come your bio now says you were born in the 1920's?


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:56pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:49pm, ElijahTome wrote:
I am sure I will catch hell for this, but here goes:

Reality and seemingly tangible existence is an illusion. The 'answers' you seek are only a minuscule aspect of a program of ethereal design and implication. The questions that you ask are far more important than any answer, 'true or false' that you may receive. For 'True or False' are both aspects of a 'make believe' psychodrama designed to perpetuate itself.



And now the flood gates open, and Elijah is washed away by the wraith of judgment! grin


No don't get washed away by judgement, hang in there...
I've been treading the stream, you can too smiley

Let's talk about reality vs illusion vs conjecture...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:59pm

Tomi:

The mystery is far greater (in my opinion) than the deciphering of its contents. I am an illusionist, a creator of worlds, a manipulator of 'atoms', I prefer to construct rather than dissect. I would not exist were it not for those (like you) who wish to understand the makings of a Wizard's tricks.

1920's? January 21, 1912 to be exact.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 2nd, 2009, 8:05pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:56pm, tomi01uk wrote:
No don't get washed away by judgement, hang in there...
I've been treading the stream, you can too smiley

Let's talk about reality vs illusion vs conjecture...


Hmmm...not sure what the difference between the meanings is.

Everything, by everyone, is viewed and percived at a different perspective, the Drone experiment is a micro example of such. 'In the eye of the beholder', as it were.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 8:12pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:59pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Tomi:

The mystery is far greater (in my opinion) than the deciphering of its contents. I am an illusionist, a creator of worlds, a manipulator of 'atoms', I prefer to construct rather than dissect. I would not exist were it not for those (like you) who wish to understand the makings of a Wizard's tricks.

1920's? January 21, 1912 to be exact.


So you are expecting a big 100th birthday party and this is the build up?? grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 2nd, 2009, 8:16pm

That would be lovely! Jan 21st 2012! My how the time has gone by. shocked
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Aug 2nd, 2009, 8:17pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:49pm, ElijahTome wrote:
I am sure I will catch hell for this, but here goes:

Reality and seemingly tangible existence is an illusion. The 'answers' you seek are only a minuscule aspect of a program of ethereal design and implication. The questions that you ask are far more important than any answer, 'true or false' that you may receive. For 'True or False' are both aspects of a 'make believe' psychodrama designed to perpetuate itself.

And now the flood gates open, and Elijah is washed away by the wraith of judgment! grin

No judgement from me. smiley
We disagree that's it. Drone experiment? Maybe in the eyes or minds of some. Could be, but it's gonna take more than you or a few others saying so.
Promise you'll stop by New Years 2013 one way or the other. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 2nd, 2009, 8:19pm

Dont know if I can last that long. My shelf-life is 100 years. tongue
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 8:20pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 8:16pm, ElijahTome wrote:
That would be lovely! Jan 21st 2012! My how the time has gone by. shocked


I suppose it's the Leviathan formulation that keeps you in shape? wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 2nd, 2009, 8:23pm

just years of Bacon, Lucky Strikes and good, clean living! wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 2nd, 2009, 8:33pm

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 8:23pm, ElijahTome wrote:
just years of Bacon, Lucky Strikes and good, clean living! wink


Now Elijah, first of all, listening to your interview.. you are not 97 years old. And if you had been smoking for 70 years your voice wouldn't have sounded that young.

How can you expect us to give any credibility to your theories if your own personna is incredulous..

edit to add: Funny thing is.. when I saw your pictures I thought you and your mates were body builders..
but you don't take Leviathan daily? wink

edit to add more: Now Virgil Crow.. I agree.. he is ageless.. and one can see from his breadth of illustrations and artwork that his subjective reality is timeless...
or at least he came of age in the 30's.. grin


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 2nd, 2009, 10:59pm

http://www.internalastronaut.com/virgilcrow/1.jpg

(Above link) THIS IS VIRGIL CROW and friend in his more corruptible mortal state... he works out with weights, weapons and women. LOL

The voice on the interview was ran thru a vocoder to disguise my resonance and age. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 03:04am

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 10:59pm, ElijahTome wrote:
http://www.internalastronaut.com/virgilcrow/1.jpg

(Above link) THIS IS VIRGIL CROW and friend in his more corruptible mortal state... he works out with weights, weapons and women. LOL

The voice on the interview was ran thru a vocoder to disguise my resonance and age. grin


Well, since I know Florida, I can see that this picture has all indications of coming from that part of the country. The male in this picture is a business owner. He definately has alpha male characteristics. He also looks like he takes Leviathan every day. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 3rd, 2009, 03:11am

Tomi:

Please watch this video clip and digest it thoroughly. I or the IA had nothing at all to do with the its making. And yet what it is saying is what I have tirelessly been trying to convey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae2dBOxt-vA
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 3rd, 2009, 03:18am

this is also helpful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud1id81apiQ&feature=related
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 03:41am

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 03:18am, ElijahTome wrote:
this is also helpful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud1id81apiQ&feature=related


Yes, you don't have to convince me.
I tend to believe Carl Jung was right.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 3rd, 2009, 05:16am

So you then understand that the question is far more important than any answer that could ever be received. This is key to following the the rabbit hole to see where it goes.

Alice in Wonderland...Tomi (Alice) Dr. Dil (The Door) Elijah (Cheshire Cat) Masker (Queen of Hearts) LOL kiss
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 05:37am

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 05:16am, ElijahTome wrote:
So you then understand that the question is far more important than any answer that could ever be received. This is key to following the the rabbit hole to see where it goes.

Alice in Wonderland...Tomi (Alice) Dr. Dil (The Door) Elijah (Cheshire Cat) Masker (Queen of Hearts) LOL kiss


Hmmm... that could explain why this song has been playing in my mind lately too rolleyes



Who is Jack in all this I wonder??

edit to add: The "queen" of hearts?... grin
You boys have a very finely tuned humor with each other.. wink
Either that or those Leviathan pills really crack a pop.. grin
But I'm betting on the former...

We already know who the Joker is in all this..
Now.. who is Jack?? rolleyes

Let's talk about body guards for a minute..
I know you know a few.. cool
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 3rd, 2009, 06:44am

...and Virgil Crow is the Caterpillar? wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 3rd, 2009, 06:45am

smoking a hookah filled with DMT... tongue
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Klatunictobarata on Aug 3rd, 2009, 06:54am

OK Boys and Girls,

I find I need a break from following this lovefest...

...Think I'll mosey over to the John Titor site and find out what really happens.

(You still are the IPod Playlist mix-a-lot Queen in my book, Tomi!)

Cheers 4 now.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:06am

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 06:54am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
(You still are the IPod Playlist mix-a-lot Queen in my book, Tomi!).


I will spare everyone a Jefferson Airplane intermission then wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:16am

on Aug 2nd, 2009, 7:36pm, ElijahTome wrote:
What would Masker, Tomi, Sidd and Config (to name a few) be doing with themselves if not for sniffing out clues to the perpetual mystery at hand? big HMMM.

kiss


I guess, I would install the good old "Civilisation" again, but "Dronopoly" was really a funny and interesting game, interactive, lots of players, no stupid shooting - though sometimes a little storm in the waterglass...
The most interesting aspect was, that the hoaxer soon wasn't needed anymore. Once initiated, the game developed itself. Much better than any adventure game.

The problem with such an open story is, that it is impossible to come to a satisfying end. This should be fixed, before "Dronopoly" is thrown on the market.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:20am

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 06:44am, ElijahTome wrote:
...and Virgil Crow is the Caterpillar? wink


I dunno... have you ever checked how many legs he has? wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:26am

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:16am, SiddReader wrote:
The most interesting aspect was, that the hoaxer soon wasn't needed anymore. Once initiated, the game developed itself. Much better than any adventure game.


That is the whole point in a nut shell Sidd. The 'reality' is created by those who give their energy to it. Hence, the Drone Iconography works in much the same way. You are as responsible for its continuation as any other. We are all part of the manifestation herein.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:29am

Sidd,

The point you have made is so very pertinent and insightful. It matters not who or what created the game and to what agenda may have been followed, It matters only that it has moved you and many others to question the very fabric of said reality/illusion. grin

This is so very important!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:33am

I guess many would say that Elijah is Tweedledee and Virgil is Tweedledum? I can live with it i suppose. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:42am

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:29am, ElijahTome wrote:
Sidd,

The point you have made is so very pertinent and insightful. It matters not who or what created the game and to what agenda may have been followed, It matters only that it has moved you and many others to question the very fabric of said reality/illusion. grin

This is so very important!


Elijah.... Virgil Crow before 2007 was different..
He has gone over the top about this as well..
(not unlike many of us..)
There are two possibilities here:

Your group is a stringer to this matter or your group is just as interested in figuring this out as we are and you are stringers here. It's one or the other.. Because you have curiosity at your core.....

There are real elements to this... That no amount of conjuration can explain... only vested interests can explain..
Now who is Jack?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:47am

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:33am, ElijahTome wrote:
I guess many would say that Elijah is Tweedledee and Virgil is Tweedledum? I can live with it i suppose. wink


Well if that was the case you both would be afraid of crows..

BTW... The alien writing in District 9 looks very similiar to the alien writing that V C used prior to 2007...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Aug 3rd, 2009, 08:37am

Maybe this is too late... grin



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Gort on Aug 3rd, 2009, 11:00am

Try as you might you can’t kill it, from a small piece of tail a large lizard is reborn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xW2xKDJoL4


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 3rd, 2009, 12:30pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:26am, ElijahTome wrote:
You are as responsible for its continuation as any other. We are all part of the manifestation herein.


Yes, of course. I wanted to be part of it. It is no fun, to watch others play.
Only when I started the "Psychology of a hoax"-text, I saw, that I could not be as objective as I wanted to be, since I already was too deeply involved. Talking about it again, I wonder, if I can fix this by honesty...

Nice monsters, Gort! Gozilla was one of the first films I watched with my friends at the cinema. It already was an oldy back than. I loved it, especially Godzilla's son.

That's another handicap I have with Isaac: I love SciFi and even more tricksters. Yes, I am a fan. And I think, I would have earned some funny end.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Aug 3rd, 2009, 1:31pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 12:30pm, SiddReader wrote:
Yes, of course. I wanted to be part of it. It is no fun, to watch others play.
Only when I started the "Psychology of a hoax"-text, I saw, that I could not be as objective as I wanted to be, since I already was too deeply involved. Talking about it again, I wonder, if I can fix this by honesty...

Nice monsters, Gort! Gozilla was one of the first films I watched with my friends at the cinema. It already was an oldy back than. I loved it, especially Godzilla's son.

That's another handicap I have with Isaac: I love SciFi and even more tricksters. Yes, I am a fan. And I think, I would have earned some funny end.



Sidd...

I knew there was a reason why I like you.. I am an old (heavy on old) SciFi fan... I remember when "Attack of the Crab Monsters" and "The Blob" weren't old movies.

There are those of us who see Science Fiction and say, wow, wouldn’t that be cool if it were real… vs. those who see it and believe it is real.

I long for the good ole days, when even children knew the difference.


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Post by Marvin on Aug 3rd, 2009, 1:46pm

Hey Tomi,

Just for the record, clowns...

The Drone story is being turned into a real three ring circus, don’t you think?


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Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 2:43pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 1:46pm, Marvin wrote:
Hey Tomi,

Just for the record, clowns...

The Drone story is being turned into a real three ring circus, don’t you think?



Was thinking how much this has taught me about moving through an event where everyone sees it differently.
Artists and designers have lauded the material, even copied it, yet others disagree. Scientists and engineers found brilliant relevence in it, others didn't. Nothing can be proven to be real but still defies replication in every other means (even that is up for debate..)... So this was a circus to begin with. What is most worrying to me is that there will come a time when group think overcomes the aspects of this case that in total make it what it is that still keeps us wondering..
Because then cynicism will win over finding out the truth in this.
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Post by LoneGunMan on Aug 3rd, 2009, 3:07pm

I can give you my opinion for what it's worth. I wish it a speedy death in the very near future and to hear no more till someone can bring the original blowhards that brought this to the extreme it has and get's some real answers! It's getting to be a real waste of band width and very, very boring!

Lone
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 3:30pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 3:07pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
I can give you my opinion for what it's worth. I wish it a speedy death in the very near future and to hear no more till someone can bring the original blowhards that brought this to the extreme it has and get's some real answers! It's getting to be a real waste of band width and very, very boring!

Lone


Except the problem here again.. what you call boring is a lot of the leg work to get to the bottom of things. A lot is nonsense or entanglements, but then some of it just might be relevent. I keep my eye open on everything wink.. much to the dismay of .. let's face it.. a huge majority tongue
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Post by masker33 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:15pm

Quote:
The most interesting aspect was, that the hoaxer soon wasn't needed anymore. Once initiated, the game developed itself. Much better than any adventure game.


BINGO.

Magik at its finest.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:34pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 2:43pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Artists and designers have lauded the material, even copied it, yet others disagree.

Scientists and engineers found brilliant relevence in it, others didn't.

Nothing can be proven to be real but still defies replication in every other means (even that is up for debate..)...



First point, I can’t really argue with - it's art.

Second point, speaking as an engineer, I disagree with. There is no substance in the Isaac report. Science fiction does not make it real now or in the future. Too many what if, could be, sort of similar, etc. It cannot stand on it's own. Brilliant relevance itself is subjective and proves nothing.

Third point, how can you possibly say it defies replication? You keep raising the bar on what is acceptable to you as a repro. HPO’s work blows away that ant-gravity thing. It looks too good. rolleyes It has been beaten to death that it is harder to duplicate exactly then create. One thing that should be quite obvious is that there are hundreds of professionals capable of any of this type work (CGI, drawing, etc.) not to mention the thousands of unknown amateurs.

Yes, this is a circus sideshow now with wannabe puppet masters coming out of the woodwork to contribute smoke, mirrors, and trying to pass themselves off as mystical characters. They try to tout the interest in finding the hoaxsters as some pre-conceived plan. Peddle some agenda that not one of them wants to really identify for some strange reason.
It does not really matter because none of them are real to me and I realize that was intended. rolleyes

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Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:44pm

Well, I really can't go through arguing again about the merits of the material against the reproductions. It's been beaten to death.. but still recognised by some that there is no way to have put the lighting effects given to that picture esp back in 2007, but still now, unreplicated by HPO and SPF. But I will go further and say that the wear and grimey areas in the small crevices and edges of the orig would take (yet again) more extrodinary effort to produce.. and whyhuh Esp if as you say.. HPO's looks much better.. cool But I can't argue this anymore even I'm wearing thin on it now .. wink
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Post by Katterfelto on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:48pm

But we are here to beat it to death. That is the plan. grin

So you say the software to do the lighting effects was not available in 2007? That's not what I heard.
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Post by DrDil on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:49pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:34pm, Katterfelto wrote:
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Yes, this is a circus sideshow now with wannabe puppet masters coming out of the woodwork to contribute smoke, mirrors, and trying to pass themselves off as mystical characters. They try to tout the interest in finding the hoaxsters as some pre-conceived plan. Peddle some agenda that not one of them wants to really identify for some strange reason.

It does not really matter because none of them are real to me and I realize that was intended. rolleyes

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My sentiments exactly…..

on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:00pm, DrDil wrote:

From what I can see then the only Drone affiliation you have is self-imposed by copying a couple of symbols from a hoaxed/highly questionable document nearly a year after the fact, well, of course and the affiliation that you are trying to create here but it appears that if you’re destined to be as unsuccessful with this attempt as you were when you originally plagiarised the symbols.

Go figure.....


Cheers.

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Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:53pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:48pm, Katterfelto wrote:
But we are here to beat it to death. That is the plan. grin

So you say the software to do the lighting effects was not available in 2007? That's not what I heard.


No that's not what I meant to say, the lightbox effect in that photo is not able to be completely replicated with the software that has been tried from 2007, as far as I know at least.
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Post by murnut on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:59pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 07:16am, SiddReader wrote:
The most interesting aspect was, that the hoaxer soon wasn't needed anymore. Once initiated, the game developed itself. Much better than any adventure game.


on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:15pm, Masker33 wrote:
BINGO.

Magik at its finest.



I agree...nice observation
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 6:14pm

Tomi, Tomi, no respite here. To inject anything is to have more beating to death on particular aspects. The subject is indeed thin now, but I think you may have some understanding of why. The Drones are nice things of design and science fiction (?) and can remain so for another day.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Aug 3rd, 2009, 6:24pm

Masker, why are you trying to coach and influence discussion?
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Post by Katterfelto on Aug 3rd, 2009, 6:32pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:15pm, Masker33 wrote:
BINGO.

Magik at its finest.


Luck. Good or bad - flip the coin.
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Post by SiddReader on Aug 3rd, 2009, 6:36pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 1:31pm, Marvin wrote:
I knew there was a reason why I like you...


Thanks, Marv, I like to be liked and I like you back.

The believers and the skeptics are like two sides of a coin. Obviously Isaac and Company are only attracted by the easy side - as was Elijah at first. Finding people, who swallow everything, is a thrill to some. Sweet dreams are made of this.

At least Elijah came back. Isaac seems to be more of the yellow kind. Everyone considered him the coward of the country. May it be so.

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Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 6:50pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 6:24pm, Katterfelto wrote:
Masker, why are you trying to coach and influence discussion?


His take on this is as valid as anyone elses in the eye of certain beholders .. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 6:52pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:15pm, Masker33 wrote:
BINGO.

Magik at its finest.


But Magik can be fickle, right wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 3rd, 2009, 7:01pm

Magic can be Gellerish sometimes. And sometimes written with "k".
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Katterfelto on Aug 3rd, 2009, 7:24pm

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 6:50pm, tomi01uk wrote:
His take on this is as valid as anyone elses in the eye of certain beholders .. wink


OK, be led or continue to play the game of appearing to be led to get what you think you want. It's just ..... a bit too obvious to the casual observer if you get my drift.
Be careful of what you seek. The quest is often more fulfilling than the final destination.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 7:59pm

It should be obvious the Drones will continue to drone hoax or no hoax, here or elsewhere, now or later.

Quote:
His take on this is as valid as anyone elses in the eye of certain beholders


And certain beholders only is something I accept and understand.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 4th, 2009, 12:35am

Sidd,

I still stick to my story completely. It (2007 Drone Experiment) is merely an element of 'degree' from my personal experiences, that of Virgil Crow's and the original group of participants in the 1969 experiment. As reality unravels before you (all of us) in the next couple of years you will perhaps remember some of what I have said in these pages.

What is my and the IA's motivation?

A: To perpetuate the tearing of the very fabric of our collective reality. The Drone Icon is an ancient machination that exists and is utilized during the final phases of human development ( Mental, Technological and Spiritual). It is but 1 of a plethora of tools that are now and will soon be switched on by the very essence of our collective and individual evolutions.

Tomi, you ask why we put so much unneeded detail into everything that is created on the IA website?

A: It is our objective to manufacture our own alternate 'way-station' (reality) and like that of the programmed matrixphere of which we all share, there is many layers of perception, depth and visualization. If we are all indeed GOD having a human experience, then why create elements that are not to the best of my/our omnipotent ability?

One or many may not agree with the logic of our agenda, but few would say that it was without merit and value. Tomi knows that the IA is in tune to a specific frequency within her specific x, y, coordinate or she would have discontinued her search for clues within the depths of our catacombs. It strikes a chord in her that is something akin to a deja vu or a distant memory. A connection to the material in a rather familiar way. That is the power that comes from looking beyond the veil of perceived reality. If others cant 'feel' what I am saying, it is merely because the IA is not tuned to their specific frequency. Like I said before, there are a plethora of devices used to aid in individual development and preparation for the upcoming shift.

And if we are wrong?...Makes for an interesting social experiment! grin
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Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 01:44am

on Aug 3rd, 2009, 7:24pm, Katterfelto wrote:
OK, be led or continue to play the game of appearing to be led to get what you think you want. It's just ..... a bit too obvious to the casual observer if you get my drift.
Be careful of what you seek. The quest is often more fulfilling than the final destination.


No, I wasn't being disingenuous, without the IA frills and chills and without the Magic or Majik or whatevers......

It has been theorised that this drone saga at its more "mundane" level, could be a message, employed in the manner it was, to others. This is a theory that makes sense to me.

It is as valid to me as my own theory which is that there was a (mundane) reason for all of this to be put out there besides the "hoax" explaination.
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Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 02:10am

on Aug 4th, 2009, 12:35am, ElijahTome wrote:
Sidd,

I still stick to my story completely. It (2007 Drone Experiment) is merely an element of 'degree' from my personal experiences, that of Virgil Crow's and the original group of participants in the 1969 experiment. As reality unravels before you (all of us) in the next couple of years you will perhaps remember some of what I have said in these pages.

What is my and the IA's motivation?

A: To perpetuate the tearing of the very fabric of our collective reality. The Drone Icon is an ancient machination that exists and is utilized during the final phases of human development ( Mental, Technological and Spiritual). It is but 1 of a plethora of tools that are now and will soon be switched on by the very essence of our collective and individual evolutions.

Tomi, you ask why we put so much unneeded detail into everything that is created on the IA website?



Well no, Elijah, I was talking about the rotorooter..
(Anti-gravity unit, RF device.. whatever it is)

Quote:
A: It is our objective to manufacture our own alternate 'way-station' (reality) and like that of the programmed matrixphere of which we all share, there is many layers of perception, depth and visualization. If we are all indeed GOD having a human experience, then why create elements that are not to the best of my/our omnipotent ability?



Reality is going through 8 successive winters in England, after thinking you are omnipotent because of Fla weather.....

Quote:
One or many may not agree with the logic of our agenda, but few would say that it was without merit and value. Tomi knows that the IA is in tune to a specific frequency within her specific x, y, coordinate or she would have discontinued her search for clues within the depths of our catacombs. It strikes a chord in her that is something akin to a deja vu or a distant memory. A connection to the material in a rather familiar way. That is the power that comes from looking beyond the veil of perceived reality. If others cant 'feel' what I am saying, it is merely because the IA is not tuned to their specific frequency. Like I said before, there are a plethora of devices used to aid in individual development and preparation for the upcoming shift.

And if we are wrong?...Makes for an interesting social experiment! grin


Well, that's a hunk of presumption there Elijah. Crawling through catacombs looking for clues is probably what is closest to the core of my archaeological heart... figuratively.. But I'm a searcher for mundane, reality based explainations.

On the etherial or spiritual level, what we know is true for us, inside ourselves, I think is impossible to explain.
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Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 02:20am

on Aug 4th, 2009, 12:35am, ElijahTome wrote:
Sidd,

I still stick to my story completely. It (2007 Drone Experiment) is merely an element of 'degree' from my personal experiences, that of Virgil Crow's and the original group of participants in the 1969 experiment. As reality unravels before you (all of us) in the next couple of years you will perhaps remember some of what I have said in these pages.

What is my and the IA's motivation?

A: To perpetuate the tearing of the very fabric of our collective reality. The Drone Icon is an ancient machination that exists and is utilized during the final phases of human development ( Mental, Technological and Spiritual). It is but 1 of a plethora of tools that are now and will soon be switched on by the very essence of our collective and individual evolutions.

Tomi, you ask why we put so much unneeded detail into everything that is created on the IA website?

A: It is our objective to manufacture our own alternate 'way-station' (reality) and like that of the programmed matrixphere of which we all share, there is many layers of perception, depth and visualization. If we are all indeed GOD having a human experience, then why create elements that are not to the best of my/our omnipotent ability?

One or many may not agree with the logic of our agenda, but few would say that it was without merit and value. Tomi knows that the IA is in tune to a specific frequency within her specific x, y, coordinate or she would have discontinued her search for clues within the depths of our catacombs. It strikes a chord in her that is something akin to a deja vu or a distant memory. A connection to the material in a rather familiar way. That is the power that comes from looking beyond the veil of perceived reality. If others cant 'feel' what I am saying, it is merely because the IA is not tuned to their specific frequency. Like I said before, there are a plethora of devices used to aid in individual development and preparation for the upcoming shift.

And if we are wrong?...Makes for an interesting social experiment! grin



It (2007 Drone Experiment) is merely an element of 'degree' from my personal experiences, that of Virgil Crow's and the original group of participants in the 1969 experiment.

Whether one degree, half adegree, that makes ypur experiment different and not the same and therefore two events apart.... No almost the truth..almost the same..that degree separates you completely..ypu can paint it as much alike as you wish. But it is not the same. I am sure you know that.
Therfore you cannot claim it as you with wording are trying to make it as close to the same .

When you first came here, you stated you were unaware off all the things Virgil had done such as the lying on the registries... Apologizing for him speaking of his mental state and drug use..which he likes to do himself a lot..based on his own statements just about everywhere.
You dont seem to be in sync with him..because none of the three projects he was working on , of which IA was one, another fizzled, and there was the united artists group.
I did not see anymention of tearing the fabric of reality. I did see with dispensing billboard art, advertising, etc..as proof art is dead. therefore his ghost art genesis..same stuff since 2003., also dispensing with religious icons as corrupt..I guess God is dead too.
I will gladly furnish you some of the 30 or so pages and images and links I extracted for everyones benefit so they will know what he exactly said.

If you want to meditate or get to manifesting thru mass intent..thats nothing new..Many have tried it..and got a headache from it. Art bell did it all the time..So does whitley..I am surprised you have not approached them..
Quite clearly he renounces hallucinogenics but is curded with the addiction to the Godheads he experienced..and wants to replicate that feeling..Thats in his statements too..not my interpretation.

My point being that whatever follows from your statement after that degree of separation..does not make it the same.
And that you need to review Virgils work a little more based on whats on the record already.
So let Isaacs tailcoat go..It wont work..however you slice and dice it.
You and Tomi..please continue your thoughts. its late here.

Good Day



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 03:27am

Elijah, I don't want to give the impression that I'm diminishing your achievement with your group's website and the work, the portals, art, design and concepts you have put into it. It is really quite an achievement. But it doesn't answer the questions we are seeking about the reality based materialisation of this drone saga.

No, in fact, it offers more contradictions...

When I said "mundane" that doesn't exclude the possibility of ufo's or any of Valee's theories for instance.. I am stretching the meaning of the word mundane, to fit this environment, I suppose.

Many people will scoff at my theory and the other theory mentioned, that I also think is viable.

But I've been thinking.. Doesn't scoffing at these theories also imply that everything being said out there by those who are captains of industry, airlines, military etc.. is rubbish?

If the theories I've suggested are so easily scoffed at, does that mean that Rich who was part of Skunkworks, the ceo (can't remember his name) of Lockheed, the airline pilots, the astronauts and those who were part of the military are lying in your minds? That everything we have been hearing from all these people is utter rubbish? Personally, I don't believe that is true. But to put credibility into these testimonies while also dismissing the possibility of a small part of the drone saga having roots within that framework is not logical to me.



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Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 03:55am

on Aug 4th, 2009, 02:20am, Barabas wrote:
It (2007 Drone Experiment) is merely an element of 'degree' from my personal experiences, that of Virgil Crow's and the original group of participants in the 1969 experiment.

Whether one degree, half adegree, that makes ypur experiment different and not the same and therefore two events apart.... No almost the truth..almost the same..that degree separates you completely..ypu can paint it as much alike as you wish. But it is not the same. I am sure you know that.
Therfore you cannot claim it as you with wording are trying to make it as close to the same .

When you first came here, you stated you were unaware off all the things Virgil had done such as the lying on the registries... Apologizing for him speaking of his mental state and drug use..which he likes to do himself a lot..based on his own statements just about everywhere.
You dont seem to be in sync with him..because none of the three projects he was working on , of which IA was one, another fizzled, and there was the united artists group.
I did not see anymention of tearing the fabric of reality. I did see with dispensing billboard art, advertising, etc..as proof art is dead. therefore his ghost art genesis..same stuff since 2003., also dispensing with religious icons as corrupt..I guess God is dead too.
I will gladly furnish you some of the 30 or so pages and images and links I extracted for everyones benefit so they will know what he exactly said.

If you want to meditate or get to manifesting thru mass intent..thats nothing new..Many have tried it..and got a headache from it. Art bell did it all the time..So does whitley..I am surprised you have not approached them..
Quite clearly he renounces hallucinogenics but is curded with the addiction to the Godheads he experienced..and wants to replicate that feeling..Thats in his statements too..not my interpretation.

My point being that whatever follows from your statement after that degree of separation..does not make it the same.
And that you need to review Virgils work a little more based on whats on the record already.
So let Isaacs tailcoat go..It wont work..however you slice and dice it.
You and Tomi..please continue your thoughts. its late here.

Good Day




Bythe way no one is disparaginging your work or Virgils works..its the same new age material repackaging of the natural high...just your integrity at attempting to connect it to caret and derail the investigation to plug your material..
Thank you
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Aug 4th, 2009, 07:07am

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends, we’re so glad you could attend… come inside, come inside!
“Karn Evil 9” ELP




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Klatunictobarata on Aug 4th, 2009, 07:35am

I wonder why, Tomi, the Droneteam site doesn't have stimulating discussions there like these last few pages here?

So here is one for you, Mistress:



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 4th, 2009, 08:56am

on Aug 4th, 2009, 12:35am, ElijahTome wrote:
Sidd,
I still stick to my story completely. It (2007 Drone Experiment) is merely an element of 'degree' from my personal experiences, that of Virgil Crow's and the original group of participants in the 1969 experiment. As reality unravels before you (all of us) in the next couple of years you will perhaps remember some of what I have said in these pages.


I doubt that you have been materialized back in 1969, so it rather is an oral tradition or a family legend than your personal experience.

Waiting that reality unravels before us? Most of us are too old to wait for reality. Either we stand with both feet in the real world or we are probably caught by a little quirk.

There is nothing to say against a little gaming or dreaming, but when I close a book, turn off tv or go offline I know the difference.

You are right, there will be interesting things to come in the future. Children grow, new chances will come, changes in personal life... It's always an adventure.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 09:15am

Like a DoubleNaught here said once..its the only place to get a sandwich..

This is all art..as a vehicle for transformation..and one can argue claim that LAP and pix were vehicles too..Unfortunately he does not have title registration tags or insurance, not storage receipts where it is kept.
But he/they said..that degree is not 100 percent..like he tried to do.

This is to support my last statements.the last image to sum up the spiritual transformation and celebration is most fun.
computer as temple programs grains of sand ..the TDD must be a metaphor for meat grinder.
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the tree of Angst dead art..dont let the smoke get in your eyes..Platters 1950s
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Come one Come All!! we must in our search to free ourselves
from these Earthly chains pay homage to the the flesh..and those ladies who know whats best for us.
perhaps..we can break on thru the other side.Like the Doors did in the dayz.in ..smaller brush strokes.
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I have much more including alternate business but that is not necessary for my points.
Let them start their own thread.
This is a fact finding thread not a playground for philosophy and metaphysics.
The Drones were debunked with sound science..not wishful thinking..by many talented people..including some of you here.
It goes on forever because you let it go on forever..If people who have the facts..do not answer when you ask..then ..they are part of the problem figuratively and literally.
You have several problem in this forum. If they are not providing facts or answers..then they are here to stop you from getting to the answer.
You most certainly are then dancing with the Devil.


Regards and Salutations



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Aug 4th, 2009, 10:03am

on Aug 4th, 2009, 09:15am, Barabas wrote:
The Drones were debunked with sound science..not wishful thinking..by many talented people..including some of you here.
It goes on forever because you let it go on forever..If people who have the facts..do not answer when you ask..then ..they are part of the problem figuratively and literally.

<snip>

If they are not providing facts or answers..then they are here to stop you from getting to the answer.
You most certainly are then dancing with the Devil.


Regards and Salutations





I cannot disagree.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 11:45am

on Aug 4th, 2009, 08:56am, SiddReader wrote:
You are right, there will be interesting things to come in the future. Children grow, new chances will come, changes in personal life... It's always an adventure.



Sidd, Florida is a completely different world.... rolleyes
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 12:07pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 10:03am, Marvin wrote:
I cannot disagree.



Here we go again..... undecided

What sound science? lipsrsealed
No seriously.... if we are going to speak "scientific"
Let's speak about the scientific method, repetition, peer review and consensus.. All of which is missing from this case.

All we have are opinions, and examples and discourses about a myriad of issues that nobody can agree on.......

We have proof of hoax, but we do not, as I said before, have proof that there is not some foundation here beyond a hoax for the sake of a hoax.

In fact, with the immense laborious material involved in this, it begs the question why??..

Sry to be provocative.. but someone has to do it wink

edit to add:
On an optimistic note: I don't think the two biologists Dawkins & Gould ever settled their "debate", so there is little chance we will either.. scientific method or not..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 4th, 2009, 12:40pm

Quote:
If they are not providing facts or answers..then they are here to stop you from getting to the answer.
You most certainly are then dancing with the Devil.


A very old dance. I see no sign of it stopping and remember a hoax may be made from very real elements just arranged in unlikely ways.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 4th, 2009, 12:42pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 09:15am, Barabas wrote:
<snip>

Let them start their own thread.
This is a fact finding thread not a playground for philosophy and metaphysics.
The Drones were debunked with sound science..not wishful thinking..by many talented people..including some of you here.
It goes on forever because you let it go on forever..

You have several problem in this forum. If they are not providing facts or answers..then they are here to stop you from getting to the answer.
You most certainly are then dancing with the Devil.

This forum has several problems?! laugh

“Dancing with the devil”?

I believe you may be crediting people with a little too much influence….. wink

To be honest –and among the regular posters here- there’s only Elijah, Tomi and Masker who lead people to believe that they personally think there is any truth at all to anything remotely Drone related (for what it’s worth I personally think that deep-down only Tomi REALLY believes) so why does it cause you so much anguish to see civil discussion between these members?

If you think for a second that they are convincing the rest of us of a Drone reality or even that anyone believed for a second that there was any truth to Elijah’s claims of fore-knowledge of the Drones/LAP then I fear that you are –at least grin- as deluded as you believe the members are whom you castigate. You must have realised by now that while these threads (UFOCasebook ) are about the Drones they’re also akin to a meeting place for Dronies, both believers and sceptics alike, and always have been.

All members of the DRT are welcome here but I suspect they feel it’s more productive to censor opinion and conduct their research in private, each to their own and that’s their prerogative. But UFOCasebook doesn’t censor opinion or conjecture based on belief and all are welcome.

And yes, of course people are free to start their own threads but then you get what occurred at OMF where it’s a logistical nightmare and an arduous task to even try and locate earlier posts, members, dates of post etc. due solely to the amount of threads that exist on the Drones. That’s why we keep one thread for all elements of the discussion. I am inclined to agree though that if we wander much further into the metaphysical journey or into inner-space then this would necessitate a new thread dedicated to such, incidentally I almost created one when Virgil et al first graced our presence but as it was claimed that they were inextricably linked to the ‘Drone icon’ then I thought it prudent to keep it all together (unless another member created one).

There’s nothing currently happening with the Drones and hasn’t been since June 2007, so why does the fact that people whom you obviously have nothing in common with discussing something they are passionate about on an open/public forum (that you weren’t a member of at the time) bother you so much?

And especially as you yourself are satisfied that you know the who, what, where & when of the hoax, in fact, why do you even care about any such discussion?

Cheers..... smiley
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 4th, 2009, 12:47pm

Tomi has invested large sums of money to Frank Dixon for a long time so she will have the hardest time letting this go. Anything she can cling to for a justification of her investment, she will surely grab.

Analysis and research did prove more than one photo to be faked. Especially the one with two light sources. Professional assessment by every photographer and CGI artist that cared to comment came to the same conclusion...fake.

False locations, decepetive anonymous photo witnesses that were never vetted publically or privately, etc, etc, etc.......

The drones are a hoax. Not real. More than likely some of the original hoaxers now participate in this thread trying to throw fuel on the embers of what is left.

Elijah is surely a nutcase suffering from drug abuse. Or he is playing a role and playing it superbly.

Sad that this drone thing is still being floated as something special. It was just a hoax. Nothing more, nothing less.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 12:49pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 10:03am, Marvin wrote:
I cannot disagree.



I would say the same people who reject all the educated opinions and analysis those listed on the record and which they deliberatly choose to ignore and offer no counteranalysis.
Opinions are opinions but experts do count more, not to mention police officials but what was determined was in line with the physical laws of the reality.
Send them back to do their homework..The research has been done.
They don't like it..thats too bad..its a done deal.

Now why would investigators choose to hide prior affiliations with witnesses. Ie a potentially severe conflict of interest..
Why would Tomi their agent/employer claim that witness Tom Vance was in love and wanted to start a new life..I believe several here were sent , and he returns with a different story..a death in his family..ie she lied..

Why would Tomi remain silent on the Frank Dixon proximity to Deborah Mckenny.

Why would Tomi, so keen on opinions..not comment on Numbers another liar..his conflicts as well as PIs, since both partook in Hiring them and lived in the area.

Why has Tomi go silent with respect to LMH, who had the photos..and had special pass by code to LMHs email..has she fallen from grace both at DRT and EarthFiles..
She seems to be at DRT for long periods but never posts..
catching up on pm..but just the core seem to be there.


These just for starters not such ethereal esoteric question. are they.....and much more germane..to the topic thread..than ask adnauseum....why would someone hoax? when it appears we could be looking at the principals of this

Why should we believe anything she says given that history..her confident numbers, and the Drts..and to boot she doesn't like the results of the work finding of hoax..when she and colleague refused to submit it to analytical testing....but wants to bait with open ended comments..stay and prattle on..

@Dr Dil..who said censor..how about moderate...for content..one line posts..like..well we'll see or..it will go on..dozens of times is just baiting..you know that..
Plus I offered a suggestion..creation of another thread..yoiu offered that suggestion to me once wayyyy back.But I did not want a secret thread,
If you say nothing has happened since june 2007..why discuss at all..
because we and yourself I assumed were looking for hoaxters..
There are questions she could have answered that would have helped dispell mistrust. She has lied in the past..whether she spent her own money or not..just makes it more likely she is vested in this heavily for a conclusion to fit what a hoaxter might wish for..

Don't make me out the bad guy.
I've done nothing other than push for the root of this
I dont think the thread should be used as a vehicle to get a desired but bogus outcome because they suffered a financial loss when they could have cut the losses substantially.. at the very beginning when the evidence was already in...We all had some skin in this
Thank you.

@Jeddyhi Thanx for that info..














Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:02pm

Now that the Drones are finished the conjurer must go back to work.
lessons learned.
MESSAGE sent.
Acknowledged.
Secret kept.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:15pm

Conjure this Mask..disappear..you don't know squat. and thats exactly the kind of thing you can only get away with here.
Its not my house..
Thank your "lucky stars".
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:20pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:02pm, Masker33 wrote:
Now that the Drones are finished the conjurer must go back to work.
lessons learned.
MESSAGE sent.
Acknowledged.
Secret kept.

Yet more cryptically-challenged, nonsensical conjecture with naught to back it up but unfounded belief in your own smug pomposity…...

Let me try:

“The promise of truth on the liar’s lips is obscenity manifest”. kiss

Cheers!! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:29pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:02pm, Masker33 wrote:
Secret kept.


Thanks, Masker, you know how embarrasing it can be, if you are connected with drones and such things! See you soon!

Maybe we really should stop now, before the Tomi-hunt starts again.

@DrDil: Just today I thought, that I would rather like to talk to Elijah about the phenomenology in arts. If he likes the idea and you have some place for this here, I would like to be part of a new threat.

@Elijah: Indeed such a discussion would make more sense to me than everything else right now.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:52pm

Quote:
Yet more cryptically-challenged, nonsensical conjecture with naught to back it up but unfounded belief in your own smug pomposity…...


Needs to be repeated. grin grin grin grin grin grin

Off topic, but I love the smug pomposity bit.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:53pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:29pm, SiddReader wrote:
Thanks, Masker, you know how embarrasing it can be, if you are connected with drones and such things! See you soon!

Maybe we really should stop now, before the Tomi-hunt starts again.

@DrDil: Just today I thought, that I would rather like to talk to Elijah about the phenomenology in arts. If he likes the idea and you have some place for this here, I would like to be part of a new threat.

@Elijah: Indeed such a discussion would make more sense to me than everything else right now.


Eine makabere Anekdote erzählt von einem Luftschiff-Kapitän, dessen Luftschiff im 1. Weltkrieg über dem Ärmelkanal abgeschossen wurde. Er verkündete über die Sprechanlage: "Luftschiff brennt! Ab jetzt darf geraucht werden!"
The ship is burning..
I guess smoking is allowed now

grin
So long
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:56pm

Sidd,

That sounds fun discussing the finer points of Phenomenology. Although I will miss the warm cuddly nature of those like my new pal Barabas. I just seem to make friends wherever I go! grin






Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Marvin on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:56pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:02pm, Masker33 wrote:
Now that the Drones are finished the conjurer must go back to work.
lessons learned.
MESSAGE sent.
Acknowledged.
Secret kept.



Oh Masker, you do not need to taunt us. wink

Besides, why would today be any different than any other? No one has been sharing many secrets anyway. It is no secret the BB Drones are a hoax... even the old conjurer admits that.

As to the rest, who even cares now. This has dragged on so much... even I have lost my respect for the "ones" behind this (and the ability to give a c*r*a*p). I would have given kudos at one time... but now, it is like trying to find any desire to watch a new release of Rocky 32 (at this point, it has literally become the beating of a dead horse).


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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:11pm

Even the dead horse got up and left... grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:26pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:56pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Sidd,

That sounds fun discussing the finer points of Phenomenology. Although I will miss the warm cuddly nature of those like my new pal Barabas. I just seem to make friends wherever I go! grin







Oh Noooo..Sidd will like the Real Fine Points phenomenolgical art aspect in some of the old links at virgil..you can guide him
at the glass faere and dark web ring.
lots of experiments there.
http://web.archive.org/web/20020205004742/www.glass-faerie.net/horns/

If you look look closely the tatoo moves..maybe its a muscle flinch..maybe ..its an artifact..Whats in his head? is pain fun..is it revealing..we see Domination and masochism..whats your flavor? can you recite Haiku like that?

But.here is a new perspective for Virgil

[/center]You've been Pawned!
[center] grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin



Ciao
PhrozenKrew
Sys_Config
Barabas


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:30pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 1:56pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Sidd,

That sounds fun discussing the finer points of Phenomenology. Although I will miss the warm cuddly nature of those like my new pal Barabas. I just seem to make friends wherever I go! grin



Yeah, count me in too... I feel compassion for you Elijah somehow. If you grew up in Florida that is... wink
I understand..... IMO it's a cultural vacume that gets filled with the weirdest s***.. (stuff) cool

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:31pm

Barabas,

If you go to the 'device' section of the TDD it will explain that Yes, the Temporal Decompression Device is in fact a combination of ideas and concepts. (A meat grinder as you say) So I guess I am not catching the significance of posting pages from on of Virgil's websites from some 6 years ago. He is an artist, sure a proved, he combines aspects of different spiritual ideologies into his work...ok, what of it?

There is nothing new under the sun, we both know that, we are old men, we have seen 'new' things come and go. Sure, technology seems to get faster and better, but its the same old pattern that has been followed for over a hundred years. When It comes to humankind and spiritual development, all the cards are on the table. The best one can do (in my humble opinion) is network together the aspects of cohesiveness between these varying 'degrees of seperation' because they are in fact the same picture from a different perspective.

When I say that the Drone Icon is part of an ongoing experiment that tests the very evolution of our species, I am not saying that elements and layers of its development were not perpetuated by human agents, on the contrary, the whole idea stems from our innate desire to experience something that helps us see beyond our own mortality.

Strong Regards and Humble Salutations grin

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:38pm

SYS_CONFIG (Barabas),

You seem to be a big van of Virgil's work, I can have him send you a t-shirt if you would like one. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:38pm

Okas muy bien..candor and honesty become you..The other stuff no..like me above ..even I don't like.
Sadly..It took a war to bring resolution..

Peace and good luck in your works/ventures..that other commercial private stuff sites..very very well done..like AW..interactive..intuitive..have you worked with the Breed campaign? Just curious..cheesy

Saludos

He should have gotten more recognition won for sure..at those contests..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:48pm

The Drone message was sent in 2007 and is very, very finished. Tomi, if you think you know what I mean, you are correct. The horse is not only dead but dust. I must admit to watch this thing carry on is fascinating. Why not round up all the usual suspects and stamp the case solved officially. Naturally in the future someone will run across it again and inquire about it, that is to be expected. Can anyone ever have real interest in a UFO case of so much visual strangeness, I doubt it at least for a while. Now for something completely different...............
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:49pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:26pm, Barabas wrote:
Oh Noooo..Sidd will like the Real Fine Points phenomenolgical art aspect in some of the old links at virgil..you can guide him
at the glass faere and dark web ring.


Hi Sys, it's not all about drones in this life. But since this thread is about drones, I asked Dil, if there could be a "Phenomenolgy-thread" (Freudian: I wrote "threat").

No drone-business anymore, just fun in arts and psychology.

Regarding the drones, I always must think of one of my favorite songs by Blondie - one of the few they did not write themselves. The original was by the Marvelettes in 1967:




Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:49pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 12:47pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Tomi has invested large sums of money to Frank Dixon for a long time so she will have the hardest time letting this go. Anything she can cling to for a justification of her investment, she will surely grab.


Jeddyhi, where in the hell did you get the idea that I have any money invested in this ??

Quote:
Analysis and research did prove more than one photo to be faked. Especially the one with two light sources. Professional assessment by every photographer and CGI artist that cared to comment came to the same conclusion...fake.



Hold on, on that photo there was still debate going on, but yes, that photo in particular raised some eyebrows, but no consensus from the experts on any of the photos could agree about the same irregularities.

Quote:
False locations, decepetive anonymous photo witnesses that were never vetted publically or privately, etc, etc, etc.......


Agreed

Quote:
The drones are a hoax. Not real. More than likely some of the original hoaxers now participate in this thread trying to throw fuel on the embers of what is left.



Are you implying me??

Quote:
Elijah is surely a nutcase suffering from drug abuse. Or he is playing a role and playing it superbly.



Depends how you define nutcase. If he is an artist who spent most of his life in Florida then he has cultivated remarkable talent against the most daunting odds.. IMO..

Quote:
Sad that this drone thing is still being floated as something special. It was just a hoax. Nothing more, nothing less.


Well, I say it could be more than just a hoax for the sake of a hoax, and the immense material produced with the most exact details and refinements even anticipating scrutiny of the most stringent kind and meeting those odds.. says to me it might be a guberment job.. but then I'm just looking at the Big Picture grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:57pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:48pm, Masker33 wrote:
The Drone message was sent in 2007 and is very, very finished. Tomi, if you think you know what I mean, you are correct. The horse is not only dead but dust. I must admit to watch this thing carry on is fascinating. Why not round up all the usual suspects and stamp the case solved officially. Naturally in the future someone will run across it again and inquire about it, that is to be expected. Can anyone ever have real interest in a UFO case of so much visual strangeness, I doubt it at least for a while. Now for something completely different...............


The script was prepared in 2004 executed 2007..The horse tripped and broke its legs when Linda fell off..almost dragged to Texas and halfway back..by the horse.
The writers choked, the monkeys went broke..and they all went to heaven in a little row boat..

But how much do you want for that doggy in the window?.
grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 4th, 2009, 3:05pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:48pm, Masker33 wrote:
Now for something completely different...............


Hehe,

I had hoped for a real joke. But okay, Monty Pythons is something, we all love.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 3:09pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:48pm, Masker33 wrote:
The Drone message was sent in 2007 and is very, very finished. Tomi, if you think you know what I mean, you are correct. The horse is not only dead but dust. I must admit to watch this thing carry on is fascinating. Why not round up all the usual suspects and stamp the case solved officially. Naturally in the future someone will run across it again and inquire about it, that is to be expected. Can anyone ever have real interest in a UFO case of so much visual strangeness, I doubt it at least for a while. Now for something completely different...............


Yes, I think I know what you mean but this is a theory, is it not?....

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 4th, 2009, 3:37pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:57pm, Barabas wrote:
The script was prepared in 2004 executed 2007..The horse tripped and broke its legs when Linda fell off..almost dragged to Texas and halfway back..by the horse.
The writers choked, the monkeys went broke..and they all went to heaven in a little row boat..

But how much do you want for that doggy in the window?.
grin


LMAO!!! grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by ElijahTome on Aug 4th, 2009, 3:47pm

Sidd,

The problem with starting a new 'Threat' is that one of the main reasons that this discussion has kept going long after it would have naturally died, is the level of dissention between those who think its an outright hoax, and those of us that know or feel that it is more than just a trick. Having friendly communications on the whys and wherefores of philosophical principles will most probably run its course in a few pages. Unfortunately (or not) the human psyche thrives on heated debate and flaring tempers, its the only thing that keeps our attentions for more than a brief moment. Conversations are greatly improved (seemingly) by the minor insults and debasement of character from those (SYS-Config...LOL) who oppose our individual ideologies, it simply makes for more emotional involvement and a more in depth dialog.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 4th, 2009, 4:28pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:49pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Jeddyhi, where in the hell did you get the idea that I have any money invested in this ??


You contacted TKDavis Investigations, correct? You hired them, correct? Did they offer their services for free?



Quote:
Hold on, on that photo there was still debate going on, but yes, that photo in particular raised some eyebrows, but no consensus from the experts on any of the photos could agree about the same irregularities.


That is your spin on it. Two light sources, one for the drone and one for the pole has been proven beyond a doubt.


Quote:
Are you implying me??


No of course not.



Quote:
Depends how you define nutcase. If he is an artist who spent most of his life in Florida then he has cultivated remarkable talent against the most daunting odds.. IMO..


Nutcase has universal definitions......crazy, insane, brick shy of a full load, etc.....or he is one of the original hoaxers from 2007 and is playing you like a two dollar fiddle.



Quote:
Well, I say it could be more than just a hoax for the sake of a hoax, and the immense material produced with the most exact details and refinements even anticipating scrutiny of the most stringent kind and meeting those odds.. says to me it might be a guberment job.. but then I'm just looking at the Big Picture grin


It isn't that impressive. It got shot down by every expert that ever reviewed the case. You place the Drones on a pedestal that it doesn't deserve.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 4:37pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 3:47pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Sidd,

The problem with starting a new 'Threat' is that one of the main reasons that this discussion has kept going long after it would have naturally died, is the level of dissention between those who think its an outright hoax, and those of us that know or feel that it is more than just a trick. Having friendly communications on the whys and wherefores of philosophical principles will most probably run its course in a few pages. Unfortunately (or not) the human psyche thrives on heated debate and flaring tempers, its the only thing that keeps our attentions for more than a brief moment. Conversations are greatly improved (seemingly) by the minor insults and debasement of character from those (SYS-Config...LOL) who oppose our individual ideologies, it simply makes for more emotional involvement and a more in depth dialog.


Well, I did it anyway.. complete with initial question, slightly off topic as usual.. tongue

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=announcements&action=display&num=1249421714&start=
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 4:48pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 4:28pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
You contacted TKDavis Investigations, correct?


Correct

Quote:
You hired them, correct?



not correct, I personally have put no money into this,
only time devoted to the investigation not the propagation of this matter. That is the extent of my involvement.

Quote:
Did they offer their services for free?



no of course not.

Quote:
or he is one of the original hoaxers from 2007 and is playing you like a two dollar fiddle.



And wouldn't you like to know? I would. But then again, I remind myself at least.. that who ever put this drone show on was so good at concealing that there is little likely hood that confessions are going to be forthcoming from anyone attached. But I hope we will suss it all out with them somewaysmiley Whoever they are..


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 4th, 2009, 4:54pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 3:47pm, ElijahTome wrote:
The problem with starting a new 'Threat' is that one of the main reasons that this discussion has kept going long after it would have naturally died, is the level of dissention between those who think its an outright hoax, and those of us that know or feel that it is more than just a trick.


My thought was more, to leave the drones behind and discuss the phenomenology-aspect as a seperate thing.
Of course, I do belong to those, who KNOW that the Caret-Crap is just stupid nonsense. It is just the effect it caused in some forums, which is of interest for me. And I am also interested in the fact, that it only worked in a few countries: USA, UK and France.

As I said, I would like to discuss the backgrounds with you, especially if we are talking about phenomenology. If you think about discussing the reality behind the drones, I quit. There is no reality behind the hoax. It is just a hoax.

@Jedd: If Tomi really has enough money, to pay some PIs, I am sure, she will be my patron soon. Of course, she could tell us something about the backstage situation back than. But I think, it is okay, if she is loyal in this case. I for my part don't need to know, who is the fool who payed. I am sure, it was not Isaac.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 4:57pm

Why is it you cannot answer that issue of the financing and it was you that did the transaction to hire with Numbers at your side calling the ground action. Then suddenlyyou are out the picture with the DRt after the Tom Vance leak, and its numbers who is right in their with them, even to scouting the ELO Raj pole in campbell where everyone else in close proximity.

You keep asking the reason for hoax , because there must be a reason , some reason, and you are an ex business woman , national distributorship, a computer consulting service, Transact the PIs and act like you dont understand the profit motive.

This does not sound logical..at odds with what your background. and agressiveness for your questions....collapse or feign total amnesia..at the mention of numbers and the PIs..already stated above.

So whats the deal Tomi..how can you press here like this but not see if your own house at the DRT need cleaning..
What about the witness x and octopus ufo..what happened there..
Are you telling us you have no knowledge of anything about the PIs and you picked them..paid them yourself or as go between. and dont know anything ?
.and they are doing a presentation in Nov?

Thats why a lot of people , more than not mistrust your ..Yes you might be a darn nice lady..even outdring me at a bar..but a naive simpleton..gullible?..no..way..
So why are you holding back responding accurately..and informatively to adress the above .
You just might win a lot more support with some clear and honest answers.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 4th, 2009, 4:58pm

Oh Sidd, there are some that do not want the Drones left behind and will do whatever they can to keep them around, if only for the sheer fun of it! Ain't that right Elijah? grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 4th, 2009, 5:07pm

@ Tomi

Why did you contact TKDavis if you didn't hire them? That makes no sense whatsoever. You were part of an international team investigating the drones (UK, USA, France). Why didn't an American team member contact them or visit them in person? Because it is usually the money person that does the hiring, right. And in this case the money person was in the UK. So the UK person (you) did the hiring even though American team members lived in close proximity to the Detectives.

I have to doubt your honesty here but in a very respectful and polite way sinceI do like you. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 5:26pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 4:54pm, SiddReader wrote:
@Jedd: But I think, it is okay, if she is loyal in this case. I for my part don't need to know, who is the fool who payed. I am sure, it was not Isaac.


I'm just a poor computer consultant smiley fixing computers. But I have a professional ethos that I maintain at all business levels. I have to have this, because most of my life's work concerns data that is confidencial. I've learned alot about life though all this. But most of anything I can and do say people don't believe anyway. Like the Bechtel executive's contracts before 911.. nobody would believe me.. tongue
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 5:42pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 5:07pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
@ Tomi

Why did you contact TKDavis if you didn't hire them? That makes no sense whatsoever. You were part of an international team investigating the drones (UK, USA, France). Why didn't an American team member contact them or visit them in person? Because it is usually the money person that does the hiring, right. And in this case the money person was in the UK. So the UK person (you) did the hiring even though American team members lived in close proximity to the Detectives.

I have to doubt your honesty here but in a very respectful and polite way sinceI do like you. wink


One thing I keep trying to remember myself, when investigating this case, is that the truth is usually right in front of your face and much much simplier than we are making it in our imaginations. I've learned this from the examples I've seen here with everyone else making accusations about everyone else. Me included. When I do know what the truth is, as I've told everyone myself, it is just the simple unflorished bare facts that nobody wants to believe.

The PI's work for the DRT and I'm not a core member. I am not able to see anymore on that site than anyother member without admin status. I am bound by professional ethics to not disclose the financial sponsors, but I can tell you in good faith that it is the absolute least insidious aspect to dwell upon in this matter. To have PI's to help solve this is a gift given to the cause.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 5:51pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 5:07pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Why didn't an American team member contact them or visit them in person?



Imagine anyone else in that group at the time but me, who would be crazy enough to pick up the phone and call pages of PI's explaining to each that we were in earnest, we wanted to find drones flying over northern California... rolleyes Err.. I don't think so..

Besides which, I have a telephone plan here that allows me to call all the numbers I want in the USA, mobiles included, for up to 60 minutes time at a flat rate of 7.95 pounds.. national calls included day and evening.. grin
Tiscali... is the vendor.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 5:57pm

Financial aspect aside, How can the DRT be presenting caret as a genuine ufo at the CRC conference.. Nevada with Linda..listed at a seperate time same day..whe Mufon already declared it hoax, in fact Carrion will be leading the schedule..and the PI ie DRT..since they are still under DRT control will be ending it last day.

What does the DRT have that it feels it must withhold until Novemeber, or is it just trying to recoup its losses to date a reasonable thing.
Surely you can adress something..


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 4th, 2009, 6:11pm

Probably your explanation is to easy, Tomi... I fear, they don't believe you.

Okay, my studies end here. Originally I am a Social Anthropologist. There are no more tribes to study, but new social streams, which are worth to do so.

I am not part of the hoax and I am sure, none of my friends - who are probably not my friends anymore after this post - are part of the hoax.

I won't use anything, what I did not use before for my text " Psychology of a hoax". But I will add some things about my part in this game. I also will add some things, which happened after my last update, but this will more be about people, who joined or tried to carry on the hoax.

However, it was a nice time with you and those, who want to stay in contact can do. I would appreciate this. As I said: I like to be liked.

For those, who carry on with this: Good luck!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 6:19pm

Why do you think I cracked the psych shrink jokes hahaha..Tomi outed you in a way a long time ago..never paid it any mind..

say..do you remember that Joke I put up. the airship...can you remember where it came from?

If you remember..then I know you do good job on the book..

In fact I treated all of you as writing a book..not an easy thing..because..of the perception of dangling..which I dislike..but you never ever dangled..though all got quiet..I missed the noise.
Without it we would be as lost as the FUKAWE tribes..where are they now..where are they now..:{



Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 6:30pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 5:57pm, Barabas wrote:
Financial aspect aside, How can the DRT be presenting caret as a genuine ufo at the CRC conference.. Nevada with Linda..listed at a seperate time same day..whe Mufon already declared it hoax, in fact Carrion will be leading the schedule..and the PI ie DRT..since they are still under DRT control will be ending it last day.

What does the DRT have that it feels it must withhold until Novemeber, or is it just trying to recoup its losses to date a reasonable thing.
Surely you can adress something..



Since a year now I've not been part of any DRT core plans or investigations. Because of that unfortunate situation that got pushed to the edge of the envelope, (thank you very much sidd..)
I became a scapegoat between the groups. So in effect, I have to say to to your question...
How the hell would I know??


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 6:39pm

Fair enough..But Don't you find it strange they would out you such a strong believer at the time..you helped organize them..came in with them,,
But if they were paranoid to begin with, if the OVnis lit in past is correct..they trust no one..yet they trust Numbers....that maybe because 11A was such a california lover..they maybe knew each other..Did you know numbers before the event?
That is big big oddness no?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 6:40pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 6:11pm, SiddReader wrote:
Probably your explanation is to easy, Tomi... I fear, they don't believe you.

Okay, my studies end here. Originally I am a Social Anthropologist. There are no more tribes to study, but new social streams, which are worth to do so.

I am not part of the hoax and I am sure, none of my friends - who are probably not my friends anymore after this post - are part of the hoax.

I won't use anything, what I did not use before for my text " Psychology of a hoax". But I will add some things about my part in this game. I also will add some things, which happened after my last update, but this will more be about people, who joined or tried to carry on the hoax.

However, it was a nice time with you and those, who want to stay in contact can do. I would appreciate this. As I said: I like to be liked.

For those, who carry on with this: Good luck!


Sidd, don't go. tongue You are part of the community now..
Take the long view on things, as I've been told before..
You don't close the book still being written, just finish the chapter where we all start becoming sane again smiley
That will never happen so I guess:


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 6:51pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 6:39pm, Barabas wrote:
Fair enough..But Don't you find it strange they would out you such a strong believer at the time..you helped organize them..came in with them,,
But if they were paranoid to begin with, if the OVnis lit in past is correct..they trust no one..yet they trust Numbers....that maybe because 11A was such a california lover..they maybe knew each other..Did you know numbers before the event?
That is big big oddness no?

Sys, I can tell you with all the integrity I bear in my life that the people I know who you mentioned above are just like you and me, interested in getting to the bottom of this. We started as I told you many times before, purely out of curiosity and common ground in appreciation. It got tribal later on and I didn't fit in anymore I guess. Plus as I've said in the past, I think there is enough in this case to warrent everyones contribution, no matter what bias.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 4th, 2009, 6:55pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 6:40pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Sidd, don't go.


Haha! Yes, girl, you know how to move a man! This was one of my favourites and always will be!

Still, I think, it's time to leave the hotel, before they tell me "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave!"

But thanks for the song!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 6:59pm

I guess there goes my part as wildalfs warners
T Rex..but even he devolved into a Kentucky Colonel Dinner box..sad.
If I had known..The Arc woould have been the Office Sofa Research Commitee..
I am glad I didn't ..History would be different today.

Sidd..the joke was from your defensive humor..2001
I thought it was quite good..

@ Tomi..that includes Linda to? How could you know..they wre regular like you or me...and they kicked you out. No need to explain further.
That leaves Halcyon/warners/fox/AW the foxtree. Thanx


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:11pm

Let's see if I've got this right.. since I've just done a quick read up on Social anthropology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anthropology

You mean to say.. that you came into this group shocked Parading around like Lev's side kick for a while, then you took the ARC plaque as your shield and went forward to examine us?! huh
grin grin grin

Ohhhh Pleeesseee grin

Besides which, there are still too many questions to ask... smiley

All in all though, I knew you were "special" within the community, because of your extensive talents and familiarity with literature. But Dr... who examines who in your senerio and what does that tell you about all of us seeking the same answers differently.

Very impt point that Elijah made, the mortality awareness in man is possibly a major factor in the development of our more spiritual awareness and curiosity.
Now where does that fit into the academic framework of your study?
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Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:17pm

His Tenure as the odd numbered Nick was like almost non existent..as I had checked that sometime ago.
He never really wanted to be ARC. I drafted all members..plus..he told us...I dont recall him wearing the shield.just double, Doc, mur and me..if I recall..

Worth the wait..will it be in English too?..




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Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:21pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 6:59pm, Barabas wrote:
@ Tomi.. How could you know..they wre regular like you or me...and they kicked you out.


I was given a choice. I chose to not remain within the limits specified. At a dear price, but it was following my own path.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:21pm

Tomi, what I have imparted to you is no theory.

I am called pompous and I am but why, other than my own innate arrogance, I know something and in knowing I do not need to defend myself or answer critics. Siddwhatever is correct about what brings good debate it is like nourishment (CLUE). Emotions stir debate.

So much fun. grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:24pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:21pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I was given a choice. I chose to not remain within the limits specified. At a dear price, but it was following my own path.


Ahh the fork in the road..you are the better for it I am sure.
I got more out of this deal than most..without elaborating..so no need to explain to me anything..or Arc..you never steered us in bad direction..and did your part as any good researcher looking for answers.
Anyone else writing a book..speak now or forever hold your peace.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:26pm

Again, you appear like two sides of a coin.

You both have my email. So why are you not able to ask me your questions directly? Instead you are clucking around.

I clearly said, that I am not hurting anybody. I know, who my friends are. Do you?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:36pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:24pm, Barabas wrote:
Ahh the fork in the road..you are the better for it I am sure.
I got more out of this deal than most..without elaborating..so no need to explain to me anything..or Arc..you never steered us in bad direction..and did your part as any good researcher looking for answers.
Anyone else writing a book..speak now or forever hold your peace.


You mean my old saying.. "If you are going to be dumb, you've got to be tough?" tongue
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:38pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:26pm, SiddReader wrote:
Again, you appear like two sides of a coin.

You both have my email. So why are you not able to ask me your questions directly? Instead you are clucking around.

I clearly said, that I am not hurting anybody. I know, who my friends are. Do you?


Yes, but did you think we would let you go without ruffleing you up a bit?? you serious?? grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Barabas on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:39pm

Thanx for that Sidd..who is hunting who..That was complement to you..instead you take as insult..and insult me..we are different..If your study does not take those cultural differences..which you gave example with the mexican and whats important missing in his house..then it is worthless..

Want to make big splash..go ahead..
Babel wont equalize the stream..only time will


Good Day.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:45pm

The chimney is missing, old friend.

I am not a hoaxer, just an observer. I know, what I am talking about.

Edit to add: Of course, the Latinos longed for the cross instead!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:45pm

Sidd... Sys..

Look... everyone is friends here. It is just a bit of an "event" in itself, having Sidd say he's leaving and tell us a bit publicly about his interest. But we know he is interested in us as friends, it will remain a cherished benefit for all of us, knowing him and we don't want to miss his posts here, on occassion, that's all. I'm sure though, that we will all keep in touch, here and in email.


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:45pm

Nice, but anticipated moves. Learn to be spontaneous and remember insults are invigorating. They cause the little brain cells to stir.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:53pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:21pm, Masker33 wrote:
Tomi, what I have imparted to you is no theory.
I know something and in knowing I do not need to defend myself or answer critics.


Like I keep trying to remind myself, a cigar is most likely just a cigar.. but in your case .... wink grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:54pm

Thanks for this last joke, masker. I had hoped for something like this.

Now I can say "See you somewhere else!"
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 4th, 2009, 8:00pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:45pm, Masker33 wrote:
Nice, but anticipated moves. Learn to be spontaneous and remember insults are invigorating. They cause the little brain cells to stir.


Hah! In which case.. just wait till you see what he writes about you in the book!! grin wink grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 5th, 2009, 4:28pm

Quote:
Now I can say "See you somewhere else!"


Probably not.
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Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 23rd, 2009, 08:37am

Quote:

The Internet Matrix

<snip>

In 2007, the California Drones photos came on the scene and also spread like wildfire throughout the Internet. However this time, the witnesses were allegedly members of the public, ALL of who chose to remain anonymous and could not be proven to be real people. Despite this glaring red flag, the Drones saga is still actively promoted today as a valid case, especially by the message boards of the Open Minds forum http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?

When I joined the boards, I was treated by the moderators and anonymous membership in the same way I was treated by the Dive Company message board members, in a negative way using disinformation methods of deflection and intimidation. When I pressed my case, I was then kicked off the boards. Now the interesting thing about Open Minds is that the two principles who allegedly own it and with whom I have had some interesting email exchanges don't seem to be real people themselves. I could be wrong here but I challenge anyone to investigate this for themself and if you can surface a real resume for either partner, then I will retract my statement. You can read MUFON's opinion on the Drones in the April 2008 issue of the MUFON Journal.

So what are the dangers of these message boards since even MUFON has its own board at http://mufonmembers.proboards.com/index.cgi?

The danger lies in the anonymous nature of these boards. Anyone can sign up without proving their identity and they can make any claims that they want. For example, on the MUFON message boards we had a poster who was very critical of MUFON and claimed to be a former MUFON member. When I asked the person to confidentially send me his/her name so I could verify that they were indeed a former member, they stopped posting on the board and it is doubtful they were ever a MUFON member in the first place. More likely they were an agent provocateur in the employ of the intelligence agencies.

The Intelligence agencies can use these message boards to promote false information, build myths like the 2006 Kinross case and the 2007 Drones saga, practice disinformation techniques and character assasinate any one who dares question their tactics. Imagine you are new to the UFO subject and your classroom for learning more about the phenomenon is one of these message boards. How can you believe anything that you read on these boards, even MUFON's own board, when intelligence operatives have free reign? It is one of the questions I have been asking myself for awhile and since MUFON is in the process of completely revamping its web site, is one of the issues that will have to be seriously looked at. MUFON may end up with a new message board site that restricts anonymity for these reasons.

Now I have to laugh when folks prematurely declare that MUFON is dying and that the Internet will replace it. Hogwash! MUFON is the voice of reason in this sea of disinformation, and MUFON field investigators have to prove themselves to be real people in order to investigate cases. MUFON has also taken a zero-tolerance stance on whistle blowers and anonymous inside sources to avoid being manipulated by the intelligence agencies as so many Ufologists have in the past.

So my friends, beware of La-La land (the Internet), don't believe everything you read there, don't trust anonymous sources and if you feel bullied on a UFO related message board, let me know as I would like to keep up on the latest intelligence agency disinformation and manipulation tactics.


(Source: James Carrion - Mufon Director).

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 23rd, 2009, 4:19pm

Hi DrDil. Thanks for posting that. I remember the James Carrion incident well. I was appalled at how he was treated by the drone believers and how OM staff allowed it to continue. At the time, I was still an Administrator of the OM forum and posted my dismay. It seemed to me then ( and more so later) that OM was catering to the believers of the Drones.

Here is a link to James Carrion's account at OM. View all 65 posts made by James and see how he was professional and courteous as he could be. He asked sensible questions that were answered with evasive attitude. I do not blame Carrion for how he feels towards OM. I said it then and I say it now. That is not the way to treat any International Director of Mufon.

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=jcarrion


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 23rd, 2009, 4:51pm

Well, those were the early days and hindsight is 20/20.
I can be a bit stubborn* back.. sometimes as well. rolleyes
but here... with this guy...
in hindsight, I still feel he short changed the matter into something that fit his beliefs and agenda.. which at the time was a hasty attempt to tie the drones into this other event, which in time has also proven to be a false theory.

He's not engendering any greater respect from me either by accusing the owners of OM forum of not being real... I'm sorry but one look at the guy and his MO and in my estimation it's 90% self serving ego at work. And a great many at Mufon feel the same.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 23rd, 2009, 5:24pm

on Aug 23rd, 2009, 4:51pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Well, those were the early days and hindsight is 20/20.
I can be a bit stubborn* back.. sometimes as well. rolleyes
but here... with this guy...
in hindsight, I still feel he short changed the matter into something that fit his beliefs and agenda.. which at the time was a hasty attempt to tie the drones into this other event, which in time has also proven to be a false theory.

Hi Tomi smiley,

What event?

If you mean the Dive event then the only comparison I’ve seen Carrion make was that they were comparable due to the fact that they were both hoaxes and both created, nurtured & survived exclusively on the internet.

on Aug 23rd, 2009, 4:19pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Hi DrDil. Thanks for posting that. I remember the James Carrion incident well. I was appalled at how he was treated by the drone believers and how OM staff allowed it to continue. At the time, I was still an Administrator of the OM forum and posted my dismay. It seemed to me then ( and more so later) that OM was catering to the believers of the Drones.

Here is a link to James Carrion's account at OM. View all 65 posts made by James and see how he was professional and courteous as he could be. He asked sensible questions that were answered with evasive attitude. I do not blame Carrion for how he feels towards OM. I said it then and I say it now. That is not the way to treat any International Director of Mufon.

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=jcarrion


A pleasure Jed and I remember it quite vividly as well. grin

I was always a tad suspicious and still stand by what I wrote at the time.

Quote:
I must admit to being a little puzzled by the recent attendance at a popular UFO Forum by the International Director of Mufon. While I believe it was an unprecedented move in the right direction to try and unite the fragmented online UFO community I feared at the time that his motivations were a little less than sincere.

It quickly deteriorated into a crass show of, “Oneupmanship” and James left empty handed. This was purely as the UFO-Hunters show had requested information for an upcoming Mufon/Drone episode, information had already been provided for the television show in a very poor PowerPoint presentation by Mufon which quoted certain CGI expert/s without their prior knowledge and with information gleamed from private emails between Mufon and said expert/s.

I still believe there was an ulterior motive at play by Carrion, however this could well have been an honourable motive if it was to be made part of a public presentation (which I believe it was). As I say I was also there and participated in the discussion at the time Jed and I agree with your sentiments, especially as there wasn’t really an ulterior motive at play by his detractors because it was blatantly obvious that their motives were born of belief. (Sorry Tomi!! kiss)

Cheers.

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 23rd, 2009, 5:40pm

No offense taken DrDil. The event I'm refering to is the one where the legal plea to Nasa was granted on a ufo case. His theory at the time, which was put into his original pdf presented to us was that the whole drone case was engineered by US intelligence to nullify any attention that could be highlighted on the recent award of documents from NASA..

rolleyes huh rolleyes huh tongue
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 23rd, 2009, 6:03pm

on Aug 23rd, 2009, 5:40pm, tomi01uk wrote:
No offense taken DrDil. The event I'm refering to is the one where the legal plea to Nasa was granted on a ufo case. His theory at the time, which was put into his original pdf presented to us was that the whole drone case was engineered by US intelligence to nullify any attention that could be highlighted on the recent award of documents from NASA..

rolleyes huh rolleyes huh tongue

Here's the document Tomi:

http://www.ufo-blog.com/pdf/mufon_drone_summary.pdf

Could you give me the specific page reference as I must have missed it.

Cheers.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 23rd, 2009, 6:07pm

Must we put a bigger stake through the heart of this thing for it to die. We had assumed it was finished as planned. Next will bring the Holy Water and Cross.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 23rd, 2009, 6:41pm

on Aug 23rd, 2009, 6:03pm, DrDil wrote:
Here's the document Tomi:

http://www.ufo-blog.com/pdf/mufon_drone_summary.pdf

Could you give me the specific page reference as I must have missed it.

Cheers.


His explaination of his "disinformation" theory starts at page 24.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 23rd, 2009, 6:46pm

on Aug 23rd, 2009, 6:07pm, Masker33 wrote:
Next will bring the Holy Water and Cross.


Knowing that might be deadly for you, I think most ppl here would restrain themselves.. wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 23rd, 2009, 7:39pm

What struck me as odd was that James was asking if any of the photo witnesses had been vetted and how. Of course none of them had been vetted, so instead of saying that (and damaging the reality of the Drones) Dronies were evasive, standoffish, and simply rude.

Why didn't soneone just say "No, we haven't been able to establish any identities or vette these photo witnesses, publically or privately."

The Mufon Team had reached a logical conclusion of hoax based on the available evidence and circumstances. Die hard believers that wanted the drones to be accepted as an actual phenomenon were not going to help or answer questions of someone that had a complete opposite stance on the drone subject.

The bias that caused this attitude only grew worse over time.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 24th, 2009, 07:10am

on Aug 23rd, 2009, 7:39pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
What struck me as odd was that James was asking if any of the photo witnesses had been vetted and how. Of course none of them had been vetted, so instead of saying that (and damaging the reality of the Drones) Dronies were evasive, standoffish, and simply rude.

Why didn't soneone just say "No, we haven't been able to establish any identities or vette these photo witnesses, publically or privately."

The Mufon Team had reached a logical conclusion of hoax based on the available evidence and circumstances. Die hard believers that wanted the drones to be accepted as an actual phenomenon were not going to help or answer questions of someone that had a complete opposite stance on the drone subject.

The bias that caused this attitude only grew worse over time.


Well, I remember telling him to speak to LMH about the witnesses. And C2C. I remember at that time we were also working hard to find them by calling hundreds of names. He had access to the Raj interviews on OM and he could have asked Bren for advice if only he had approached all of us with a bit of humility and less attitude, pushing his own theory and agenda...

As you say, lack of humility and lots of attitude was the prevailing culture at the time.. from all camps..
I think we should blame it on Lev .. grin wink kiss

No.. what am I saying... SiddReader instigated it! grin wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 24th, 2009, 08:04am

He approached all of you via the OM forum with respect and professionalism. He asked simple questions that the dronies could not/would not answer.

When every single one of the photo witnesses refuses to at least privately come forward, then there is your first ingredient of an internet hoax.

Intelligent, reasonable people could make that connection. But a dronie could not. They would have rather dreamed up scenarios as to why the witnesses were afraid to come forward.

The Carrion incident on OM was a shame. The behavior of the Dronies was awful. It's all right there in the links I provided. Aside from defending himself, show me where James had 'attitude'.

The only lack of humility was from the dronies.
Quote:
We (the Drone Research Team) will NOT give any information to the MUFON.
Case closed


That statement from Elevenaugust prompted Jake Reason (at that time, an Administrator) to reply:
Quote:
Case closed?

Sorry, but no one person has the final say. And when that time comes, the Admin Team of OM will voice it, after careful consideration & agreement with all those involved.

I think there are still a few who would like to entertain some dancing, with their wine.

Cooperation is the final frontier of Ufology.

All players need to venture into this area, as the internet is forcing it.

It is a touchy subject, let the dialog continue.

I appreciate and welcome James' efforts and commend him for his engagement here. It is a positive step.

Whether or not we can assimilate cooperation to a successful conclusion, the fact that this is even happening is a most positive step in the right direction.

We may not make a date after the first dance. Everything takes time. There is always another day.

In the words of Will Rogers, "I never met a man I didn't like".


Who lacked humility? All that was evidenced from the Carrion incident was that the dronies would not share any witness information (because they had none and were afraid to have to admit it) and that they wanted the drones to be accepted as a real phenonemon for whatever reason.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 24th, 2009, 08:29am

on Aug 24th, 2009, 08:04am, Jeddyhi wrote:
He approached all of you via the OM forum with respect and professionalism. He asked simple questions that the dronies could not/would not answer.



Jeddyhi, my memory fails me here.. where .. or can you find me quotes where he asks simple questions not tainted by his bias?

and frankly.. he upset me quite a bit with his theory.. I could see that we were working on getting as much information about this case as possible and he was using what he could find to feather his own nest..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 24th, 2009, 09:22am

I will list all my favorite James Carrion quotes, including questions that were evaded and ignored.

First, he offered full credit where credit was due:
Quote:
Anything OMRT provides to MUFON that goes into our article you will be fully credited on. I am not in the business of plagiarism, just the truth.


And yet again he offers to credit the OMRT:
Quote:
Let's not cry over spilt milk. If you are serious about your research and want your voice heard, I am offering you the chance to get your research into the MUFON Journal article I am writing, with full credit.


With his frustrations begining to show, he once again offers a venue that at the time was far greater than OMF's:
Quote:
These conversations in this forum do not seem to be leading anywhere productive. If OMRT is a legitimate group of researchers, with credible information to offer, and want their voices heard, the ball is in your court. You can reach me at jcarrion@mufon.com if you wish to contribute to the MUFON Journal article under the conditions I have laid out. If not, then your silence speaks volume.


Despite offering to give the OMRT full credit for any contribution, James now has to defend himself against baseless accusations:
Quote:
How convenient to accuse MUFON of only being interested in plagiarizing your work so as to justify your silence. Hopefully you will come out with your own published report that doesn't quote virtual witnessese and anonymous experts.


Here we have a very astute and correct assessment of the situation:
Quote:
I am here for one simple reason - to find out after 15,000 posts and I am sure a number of PMs between members, what credible information has been collected about the witnesses. I was told by one of the OMRT that I should read every single post to find out that information. I have read a significant number of the posts and what I am finding is that the vast majority of the posts are related to discussing the science of the drones, the authenticity of the ISAAC documents and the analysis of the photos. All of that is irrelevant until the photo witnesses can be positively identified as real people and their backgrounds validated. Since the photo witnesses preceded ISAAC coming out (how convenient), until their identities can be established, this case will go nowhere and we may as well label it the new MJ-12. Corresponding with the witnesses by phone or email is not going to cut it - virtual witnesses don't count. For that matter neither do anonymous experts.


Now we get to simple and direct questions:
Quote:
Would someone please explain to me in real terms what was done to validate the witnesses? Just the plain facts.


He tries once again:
Quote:
Can you please answer my question about how the witnesses were validated instead of asking more of your own?


More evidence of James' frustration over the evasive and rude behavior of the OMRT:
Quote:
Can you answer my direct question or not? If you can't, then stop responding to my posts.


Another attempt to seek an answer to a simple question:
Quote:
Or for that matter can someone ELSE in the OMRT answer my direct question - how were the witnesses validated?


More concise direct questions that were ignored:
Quote:
1. When do you plan on releasing your summary findings? Surely after all of the collaboration over many months, you have accumulated enough data to write a substantial report.

2. Will you be publishing the real names of the OMRT members in your report? Surely not all of them are going to claim anonymity despite their professional careers.

3. Will you be publishing the real names of your experts?

4. Will you include information on how the witnesses were validated that meets forensic standards?

5. Will your report stick to the facts and be unbiased in its approach?


An observation brought about by the evasive nature of the OMRT to any direct questions:
Quote:
The OMRT claims to be a cohesive group of serious researchers but the members don't speak with one voice. Some are courteous and some are message board trolls. Some answer direct questions and others evade. If you wish to be taken seriously, then don't bash everyone who comes to this forum with a non pro-drone opinion. Answer questions honestly and openly and stick to the facts. In the real world, this is called professional courtesy, but in the virtual world where everyone is hiding behind their anonymity, it doesn't seem to exist.


In response to a claim that most UFO witnesses claim anonymity:
Quote:
Au contraire my friend. Actually, witnesses not claiming anonymity are more frequent. I just had my webmaster run stats on MUFON's online reporting system and of 4791 reports, 2181 requested anonymity - 46%. So 54% did not choose anonymity.

So how do you explain that 100% of the drone photo witnesses are anonymous?

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I find it extremely difficult to believe that any member of the OMRT or the current DRT could defend their behavior in that thread. The only agenda at work was the pro drone agenda. It is still at work.

All of these quotes were taken from this thread:
http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=2084&page=1

The thread is only 21 pages long and is an interesting and insightful read.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 24th, 2009, 09:44am

Right.. well thanks for that.. tongue

I still don't trust the guys motivations, plus with the risk of sounding even stupider than I do already.. he depreciated the drones instead of appreciated why we* were and are so fascinated at this saga..

* everyone


Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 24th, 2009, 1:29pm

on Aug 24th, 2009, 08:04am, Jeddyhi wrote:
He approached all of you via the OM forum with respect and professionalism. He asked simple questions that the dronies could not/would not answer.

<snip>

Who lacked humility? All that was evidenced from the Carrion incident was that the dronies would not share any witness information (because they had none and were afraid to have to admit it) and that they wanted the drones to be accepted as a real phenonemon for whatever reason.

A couple of great posts Jed!! (As per..... wink)

Hi Tomi smiley,

I agree that too much time was spent elaborating on the finer details of the Kecksburg case but I believe it was one of James’ “pet cases” and something of a benchmark for Mufon so are you surprised? It’s also quite strange how when we recall the Carrion/OMF incident that the first thought that comes to my mind was the refusal to cooperate and yet the first thing you recall is this incredibly tenuous link to the Kecksburg case in a (admittedly hastily constructed) PPT presentation.

on Aug 23rd, 2009, 4:51pm, tomi01uk wrote:
in hindsight, I still feel he short changed the matter into something that fit his beliefs and agenda.. which at the time was a hasty attempt to tie the drones into this other event, which in time has also proven to be a false theory.

<snip>

on Aug 23rd, 2009, 5:40pm, tomi01uk wrote:
<snip>

His theory at the time, which was put into his original pdf presented to us was that the whole drone case was engineered by US intelligence to nullify any attention that could be highlighted on the recent award of documents from NASA..

rolleyes huh rolleyes huh tongue

“A false theory”
“His theory at the time”
?!

That selective memory of yours is getting worse with time Tomi!! laugh

He offered quite a few options/theories and he certainly didn’t state for definite that it WAS related to Kecksburg (exclusively or otherwise).

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And in my humble opinion it seems as if you still have an axe to grind which is quite worrying especially after the quotes Jed has posted as it appears that this doesn’t this absolve him in your mind in any way, shape or form.

on Aug 24th, 2009, 08:29am, tomi01uk wrote:
<snip>

and frankly.. he upset me quite a bit with his theory.. I could see that we were working on getting as much information about this case as possible and he was using what he could find to feather his own nest..

Heh, heh, make your mind up!! laugh

He either said his theory was a sanctioned event to detract from the Kecksburg documents or he was trying to feather his nest with information obtained (which Jed has aleady showed he was offering FULL credit for).

You can’t have it both ways, can you?

Or as I believe you have said prior, “You can’t be a little bit pregnantkiss.

on Aug 23rd, 2009, 4:51pm, tomi01uk wrote:
<snip>

I'm sorry but one look at the guy and his MO and in my estimation it's 90% self serving ego at work. And a great many at Mufon feel the same.

That’s massively unfair and could be considered defamatory without providing sources, percentages or even a rough estimate of exactly how many is a “great many” as the Mufon membership currently runs into the many thousands.

I’ll admit I’m surprised at the animosity towards him you still harbour Tomi, you said:

on Aug 24th, 2009, 08:29am, tomi01uk wrote:
Jeddyhi, my memory fails me here.. where .. or can you find me quotes where he asks simple questions not tainted by his bias?

And after Jed provided a plethora of them your retort was:

on Aug 24th, 2009, 09:44am, tomi01uk wrote:
Right.. well thanks for that.. tongue

What happened to the Tomi who was all for giving everyone a chance and sharing information?

What happened to the Tomi who disagreed so adamantly about NOT sharing information with those of a differing belief that she was unceremoniously ejected from the DRT (which she helped found)?

Hell, even after Lev admitted he hoaxed the thumper you still had room in your heart for forgiveness, I guess that’s the benefit of believing there’s a possibility of an element of truth to the Drones? undecided

Anyway, the Kecksburg connection as James explained was due mainly to:

Quote:
The correlation with Kecksburg stems from the CARET Executive Summary that discusses crashed UFOs in the Continental US in the 1965-86 timeframe.

And I hasten to add was never stated as fact or even the most likely candidate but as a POSSIBILITY.

And regarding your sentiments expressed here I see they haven’t really changed as back then you wrote:

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Which James quoted and replied:

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The conclusion of the PPT (as best was offered) was as follows:

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As you know Tomi it’s never personal I’m just surprised to see you still believe James is, for want of a better term, a “wrong ‘un” especially when it appears as if your reasoning for assuming such is fatally flawed.....

Cheers!! grin

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 24th, 2009, 1:32pm

on Aug 23rd, 2009, 6:07pm, Masker33 wrote:
Must we put a bigger stake through the heart of this thing for it to die. We had assumed it was finished as planned. Next will bring the Holy Water and Cross.

Frog in your pocket?

The royal, "We"?

Ohhhh, is that the group thingy? grin

Cheers.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 24th, 2009, 1:55pm

on Aug 24th, 2009, 1:29pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Tomi smiley,

I agree that too much time was spent elaborating on the finer details of the Kecksburg case but I believe it was one of James’ “pet cases” and something of a benchmark for Mufon so are you surprised?


Exactly.. suppose "We" Royal or not... wink came into the Mufon structure and demanded that he give us his research on Kecksburg, (his pet project) while we maintain it to be nothing more than a prelude to the drones... His pet project was Kecksburg.. Ours was the drones. Is it any wonder we took offense at this lack of appreciation?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:01pm

on Aug 24th, 2009, 1:29pm, DrDil wrote:
As you know Tomi it’s never personal I’m just surprised to see you still believe James is, for want of a better term, a “wrong ‘un” especially when it appears as if your reasoning for assuming such is fatally flawed.....

Cheers!! grin


WE all share a common interest. Cameron didn't. Cameron was demanding information like it was owed to him all the while taking a diametrically opposite opinion about the event, to the one we had. Heads clashed. But primarily we were not going to hand our many hours of hard investigative work still being formed over to this guy...
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:07pm

on Aug 24th, 2009, 1:55pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Exactly.. suppose "We" Royal or not... wink came into the Mufon structure and demanded that he give us his research on Kecksburg, (his pet project) while we maintain it to be nothing more than a prelude to the drones... His pet project was Kecksburg.. Ours was the drones. Is it any wonder we took offense at this lack of appreciation?

That’s moving the goal-posts Tomi, unsurprising but surprisingly disappointing.

Funny enough I suspected that you’d single it out so allow me to elaborate as ALL I was implying by, “Pet theory” was by being such it was at the forefront of his mind, and due to the correlation between this and the dates that Isaac stated (or as I prefer alleges) that the crashed UFO/s were discovered then it is a logical correlation to draw.

Again, I feel it necessary to point out this was ONE of the possibilities presented, but even if not and stated as fact, so what? If you find out you are wrong you simply accept it, admit it and move on. Much the same as I guess you did with the thumper Drone, well, after much (i.e. a LOT grin) of time first spent resisting the obvious conclusion.

Cheers!!

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:19pm

on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:07pm, DrDil wrote:
That’s moving the goal-posts Tomi, unsurprising but surprisingly disappointing.

Funny enough I suspected that you’d single it out so allow me to elaborate as ALL I was implying by, “Pet theory” was by being such it was at the forefront of his mind, and due to the correlation between this and the dates that Isaac stated (or as I prefer alleges) that the crashed UFO/s were discovered then it is a logical correlation to draw.

Again, I feel it necessary to point out this was ONE of the possibilities presented, but even if not and stated as fact, so what? If you find out you are wrong you simply accept it, admit it and move on. Much the same as I guess you did with the thumper Drone, well, after much (i.e. a LOT grin) of time first spent resisting the obvious conclusion.

Cheers!!


grin Yep, sometimes I'm wrong, it's great to admit it as well... wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by DrDil on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:22pm

on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:19pm, tomi01uk wrote:
grin Yep, sometimes I'm wrong, it's great to admit it as well... wink

I'll let you know how I feel about it when it happens..... kiss


on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:01pm, tomi01uk wrote:
WE all share a common interest. Cameron didn't.

Your (shared) interest may be primarily defined as the Drones but mine is in the broader UFO phenomenon, warts & all (a.k.a. hoaxes) but in the context of your quote then my “interest” that I thought I had in common with everyone else is best described as simply, “truth”.

Cheers. smiley

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:23pm

on Aug 24th, 2009, 1:55pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Exactly.. suppose "We" Royal or not... wink came into the Mufon structure and demanded that he give us his research on Kecksburg, (his pet project) while we maintain it to be nothing more than a prelude to the drones... His pet project was Kecksburg.. Ours was the drones. Is it any wonder we took offense at this lack of appreciation?


There is a big difference. Mufon would have allowed you access to any information on the Kecksburg case. They do not hide or conceal information in order to further an agenda. They try to uncover the truth...not bury it. The dronies had a chance to colloborate with a large, well known UFO investigative group like Mufon. They chose not to as if they were guarding national security secrets.

The gist of it, I presume, is that the OMRT had nothing to share, especially no vetted photo witnesses. They spent their time analyzing and hypothesising on how this drone technology worked before it was even shown to be an actual event. James embarrassed them by asking professional questions and expecting professional answers to which they could only respond with bitterness and attitude.

After all this time, there is no justification for the way the dronies acted as the photo witnesses not only still remain anonymous but have only been shown to be deceitful, untruthful, and unreliable. No case can be built around that. James attempted to explain that in the OMF forum but it fell on deaf dronie ears.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:47pm

on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:23pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
There is a big difference. Mufon would have allowed you access to any information on the Kecksburg case. They do not hide or conceal information in order to further an agenda. They try to uncover the truth...not bury it. The dronies had a chance to colloborate with a large, well known UFO investigative group like Mufon. They chose not to as if they were guarding national security secrets.

The gist of it, I presume, is that the OMRT had nothing to share, especially no vetted photo witnesses. They spent their time analyzing and hypothesising on how this drone technology worked before it was even shown to be an actual event. James embarrassed them by asking professional questions and expecting professional answers to which they could only respond with bitterness and attitude.

After all this time, there is no justification for the way the dronies acted as the photo witnesses not only still remain anonymous but have only been shown to be deceitful, untruthful, and unreliable. No case can be built around that. James attempted to explain that in the OMF forum but it fell on deaf dronie ears.


Such early days, we were calling pages of ppl with similiar names to the witnesses, trying to find them. We really didn't need the demoralisation from Cameron or the attributes from Mufon.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:49pm

on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:22pm, DrDil wrote:
I'll let you know how I feel about it when it happens..... kiss



Yep.. I knew you would say that . grin kiss


Quote:
Your (shared) interest may be primarily defined as the Drones but mine is in the broader UFO phenomenon, warts & all (a.k.a. hoaxes) but in the context of your quote then my “interest” that I thought I had in common with everyone else is best described as simply, “truth”.

Cheers. smiley


I've been interested in this subject since the 80's smiley And I agree.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 24th, 2009, 2:57pm

I assume you mean Carrion. James Carrion. In what way could he have been demoralising? He offered the group to share what they had that could help show the drones as a real event and to give them full credit for their contribution. That sounds like it would have been a boost to moral....unless that path conflicted with the pro drone agenda.

James and Mufon labeled the drones as a likely hoax or disinformation campaign early on.....that seems to have ruffled some pro drone feathers. But the ruffled feathers could not offer anything to refute that early conclusion. And they were asked if they could again and again.

Ultimately, I believe James inadvertantly embarrassed the OMRT into a bad attitude. It was not his fault that you guys were not ready and only had a pro drone conclusion in mind.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 24th, 2009, 3:10pm

I was more that content for this series of very real events to be washed away as a silly hoax. All that could be got at this stage is gotten. Surely the debate is nicely wrapped up on the hoax side now.
As I said before, I do know something and relish that fact, but I admit being called back from time to time.
The Royal "WE" like honey to the bear.
Interesting to see what comes next, but do not accuse me of this resurrection, my plans are much further out.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by murnut on Aug 25th, 2009, 12:46am

on Aug 23rd, 2009, 4:19pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Hi DrDil. Thanks for posting that. I remember the James Carrion incident well. I was appalled at how he was treated by the drone believers and how OM staff allowed it to continue. At the time, I was still an Administrator of the OM forum and posted my dismay. It seemed to me then ( and more so later) that OM was catering to the believers of the Drones.

Here is a link to James Carrion's account at OM. View all 65 posts made by James and see how he was professional and courteous as he could be. He asked sensible questions that were answered with evasive attitude. I do not blame Carrion for how he feels towards OM. I said it then and I say it now. That is not the way to treat any International Director of Mufon.

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=jcarrion




Strange to look back at that time...I got my first banning from OM during that incident.

And you were/are so right Jed

Sorry to be so late in replying.....hard drive issues
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 25th, 2009, 10:36am

on Aug 25th, 2009, 12:46am, murnut wrote:
Strange to look back at that time...I got my first banning from OM during that incident.

And you were/are so right Jed

Sorry to be so late in replying.....hard drive issues


I see, so we now have a Grand Poobah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Poobah
we owe alligence to?? Or respect?

I really don't want to get into debate here, but Carrion didn't approach us asking for help or insight, he was contentious and opinionated like everyone else at the time. That lowers the bar IMO.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 25th, 2009, 10:52am

No need to get so touchy, Tomi! wink

When I read it today, James Carrion comes off as the National Director of Mufon, willing to view, publish and give credit for whatever the Dronies had....they had nothing, suffered embarrassment, and took it out on James.

You guys dropped the ball that day and have been kicking it ever since. History doesn't lie and the James Carrion thread at OM is a historical record of what happened. It can't be changed, glossed over, or ignored.

That's why it is always best to act in a professional manner while on the internet posting in forums....it is all recorded for posterity.

When a small unknown group of anonymous drone researchers met the International Director of Mufon, you would think that you all would have been thrilled by his offer of publishing your results. But that pro drone stance set in concrete prevented such a partnership from happening.

Was it more important to continue propagating a drone reality than to publish true accurate assessments, even if those assessments did not point to a drone reality?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 25th, 2009, 1:05pm

on Aug 25th, 2009, 10:52am, Jeddyhi wrote:
That's why it is always best to act in a professional manner while on the internet posting in forums....it is all recorded for posterity.

When a small unknown group of anonymous drone researchers met the International Director of Mufon, you would think that you all would have been thrilled by his offer of publishing your results. But that pro drone stance set in concrete prevented such a partnership from happening.

Was it more important to continue propagating a drone reality than to publish true accurate assessments, even if those assessments did not point to a drone reality?


shocked Aaach! Please tell me this is a windup??
I'm guessing it isn't though... rolleyes Seriously, this isn't worth the time debating because there are two perspectives here never the two shall meet in the middle on this issue it seems.

I had communications with ppl behind the scenes, also with ppl of a much higher "eschalon" than myself.. so all I'm going to say is my position holds on him with no regrets for that particular situation.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 25th, 2009, 1:15pm

on Aug 25th, 2009, 10:52am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Was it more important to continue propagating a drone reality than to publish true accurate assessments, even if those assessments did not point to a drone reality?

We were in the early days of OMRT then, our research as a small group belonged to us, an ultimately would lead to the discoveries made, not by Mufon either.. who has a right to demand that? And nobody wanted credit, only answers, and we were the ones doing the legwork, and that legwork was only just beginning. He had quite a set on him, storming into OM expecting to be fed information on request. IMO..
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 25th, 2009, 2:22pm

on Aug 25th, 2009, 1:05pm, tomi01uk wrote:
shocked Aaach! Please tell me this is a windup??
I'm guessing it isn't though... rolleyes Seriously, this isn't worth the time debating because there are two perspectives here never the two shall meet in the middle on this issue it seems.

I had communications with ppl behind the scenes, also with ppl of a much higher "eschalon" than myself.. so all I'm going to say is my position holds on him with no regrets for that particular situation.


Regardless of your communications, the fact of the matter is that a very simple, basic thing was overlooked or purposely ignored and apparently deemed unimportant.....the vetting of the photo witnesses.

By deductive reasoning and a logical approach, the photo witnesses were either genuine in their story and were real people who witnessed a real event

or

they were performing a hoax.

Since they didn't allow themselves to be vetted, not even privately, the attention of the OMRT/DRT went straight to the photos and Isaac material while wild excuses of fear and ridicule was thrown about to explain the continuing anonymity of these witnesses.

The OMRT and later the DRT would focus on the technology behind these sightings without ever having confirmed that the sightings ever took place to begin with....the proverbial cart before the horse scenario. A lot of evidence of hoax was blatantly ignored. From superficial, circumstancial, to professional assessment of the photos themselves. Vetting the photo witnesses seemed unimportant while great effort was put forth to promote a drone reality. This can't be denied. It is all on record.





on Aug 25th, 2009, 1:15pm, tomi01uk wrote:
We were in the early days of OMRT then, our research as a small group belonged to us, an ultimately would lead to the discoveries made, not by Mufon either.. who has a right to demand that? And nobody wanted credit, only answers, and we were the ones doing the legwork, and that legwork was only just beginning. He had quite a set on him, storming into OM expecting to be fed information on request. IMO..


You can't rewrite history, Tomi, or twist it to fit your conception of what it should be. Mufon released their preliminary report and it flew in the face of what the OMRT/DRT was promoting...a drone reality. The Mufon report was criticized and ridiculed by the dronies. James Carrion came to OM asking for whatever evidence there was to suggest that the drones were real. He obviously figured you all felt the way you did for some reason. He asked, not demanded, for this evidence. He offered to give credit to the OMRT for whatever they had. He wanted you all to show him why and how he was wrong concerning the drones. And nobody could.

He asked for the very simple basic thing I mentioned above.....the vetting of the photo witnesses to establish some sort of authenticity. He wanted to put the horse back in front of the cart and follow a logical, intelligent path.

This, of course, interfered with the drone reality that was being conveyed by those that fell for the hoax.

The moral to this all is that no matter how intelligent you are, no matter how great a researcher someone may be, the best approach to any event is an unbiased approach. Even a skeptical approach would lead to the truth faster than following a pre-concieved notion where the blanks are filled in according to the agenda.

There is not much to debate about the Carrion affair on OM. It is what it is. You can defend what happened any way you want, but it basically boils down to a failure to cooperate with a worldwide UFO investigative organization because they knew it was a hoax.

Mufon didn't agree with the pro drone agenda and that flew in the face of the OMRT/DRT. End of story.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 25th, 2009, 2:42pm

Quote:
Mufon didn't agree with the pro drone agenda and that flew in the face of the OMRT/DRT. End of story.


END OF STORY!!!
How ridiculous.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 25th, 2009, 2:48pm

Ridiculous? How so? I don't recall any cooperation between Mufon and the OMRT/DRT, do you?
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 25th, 2009, 2:51pm

on Aug 25th, 2009, 2:22pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
... the best approach to any event is an unbiased approach. Even a skeptical approach would lead to the truth faster than following a pre-concieved notion where the blanks are filled in according to the agenda



I agree !

Quote:
...to cooperate with a worldwide UFO investigative organization because they knew it was a hoax.


Well.. I don't know this thing is 100% hoax. Some of it is "engineered", that's for sure. No dispute there.. but you know what? I'm pretty sure Bren is 100% real wink
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 25th, 2009, 2:54pm

on Aug 25th, 2009, 2:51pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Well.. I don't know this thing is 100% hoax. Some of it is "engineered", that's for sure. No dispute there.. but you know what? I'm pretty sure Bren is 100% real wink


LOLOL....me too! Especially since I have talked to him and Ivo both on the phone. grin
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 25th, 2009, 3:06pm

END OF STORY would be a good thing.
I would be happy with that.
The title Hoax is sufficient for this saga as it now stands.
WE could all relax and prepare for the future of UFOs and things that may come.
BTW, History is the lie we all agree upon.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 25th, 2009, 3:11pm

Will you address why you think that "End of story" is ridiculous in regards to the Mufon/OMRT debacle? No cooperation ever took place.....so, end of story!

Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 25th, 2009, 3:31pm

I have had my time at OMF and refer to "End of the Story" as being related to the Drone Saga overall. I do not refer to you or your interests in Mufon. Also ridiculous refers to not you or your thoughts but the idea that this story will ever truly end. Others will eventually dig it up. I never found OMF catering to Dronies, but it is of no matter to me now. There was an agenda from the beginning or I should say soon after the beginning and that agenda worked. Now is this all really viral marketing! If that is your conclusion or just a plain bored CG Artist Hoax, well so be it. It would seem that as I think you said, "The horse is dead".
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by Jeddyhi on Aug 25th, 2009, 3:42pm

I prefer to keep it simple. The drones have never been proven to be an actual event. No photo witnesses were ever vetted, none came forward, and locations were fabricated. There were no corroborating police reports or UFO reports to help authenticate that any of the alleged sightings even took place.

True locations were discovered and no corroborating evidence or testimony resulted from these discoveries.

All of the pictures and the Isaac/Caret material have come from anonymous internet sources and have shown no basis for being considered authentic.

This was apparent to MUFON and most researchers examining the case early on. Add in the professional assessment of the photos and there is not one thing to suggest that anything related to the drones is based in reality.

So hoax, disinformation, viral marketing, whatever anyone wants to label it, it means one thing.......not real for a lack of convincing evidence!
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by masker33 on Aug 25th, 2009, 4:37pm

The effect it produced in many areas being more substantial than, in your opinion, its physical reality as a device seen and reported on is of no consequence to me. The effect it produced in the UFO community and the message it sends is what is important to me. Who will ever believe such as this again and that can produce a very very convenient place of refuge. Mufon, OMF, here, no one will entertain this without HOAX rit large. The Drones in themselves were beautiful images and will continue to draw attention from some places. Just be sure that your "Dead Horse" does not wrap itself in new flesh and be diligent of the days ahead. Notice how the UFO saga, in general, becomes less and less.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by SiddReader on Aug 25th, 2009, 4:48pm

Forget it, masker.

You don't know anything and this saga was only present in a few forums and some "open minds" - too open for my taste.

The loony bin will take away all the computers soon and there will be no more internet anymore. But you still can tell everybody, that you are Napoleon. The drones only get and got as much attention as they get and got here. No American idol at all.
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 25th, 2009, 4:51pm

on Aug 25th, 2009, 4:37pm, Masker33 wrote:
The effect it produced in many areas being more substantial than, in your opinion, its physical reality as a device seen and reported on is of no consequence to me. The effect it produced in the UFO community and the message it sends is what is important to me. Who will ever believe such as this again and that can produce a very very convenient place of refuge. Mufon, OMF, here, no one will entertain this without HOAX rit large. The Drones in themselves were beautiful images and will continue to draw attention from some places. Just be sure that your "Dead Horse" does not wrap itself in new flesh and be diligent of the days ahead. Notice how the UFO saga, in general, becomes less and less.


Yep, that's why I believe lean strongly towards it being, due to logical conclusions and lateral thinking..., tongue far more than a hoax as well. Or else we have to discount 90% of the smoke out there, which is a bit of a far stretch, even for a "skeptic".
Re: #9 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
Post by tommi01 on Aug 25th, 2009, 4:56pm

on Aug 25th, 2009, 4:48pm, SiddReader wrote:
Forget it, masker.

You don't know anything and this saga was only present in a few forums and some "open minds" - too open for my taste.

The loony bin will take away all the computers soon and there will be no more internet anymore. But you still can tell everybody, that you are Napoleon. The drones only get and got as much attention as they get and got here. No American idol at all.


Ahh Sidd.. just in time grin