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Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Feb 24th, 2010, 12:15pm

This is a continuation of the 2007 California Drone discussion.


Previous Drone thread (#10) is located here.


The Original Drone Sightings are as follows:

1) The *Chad* Drone, originally posted at the Coast2Coast Website.
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftphotos.html

2) The *Lake Tahoe* Drone - Mufon <submitter> 7013
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftdrone.html

3) The *Rajman1977* Drone, originally posted at Flickr.
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html

4) The *Jenna L/Stephen* Drone, originally posted at UFOCasebook.
URL: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

5) The *Ty* Drone, originally posted at Earthfiles:
URL: http://tinyurl.com/4cpcgk

The *Isaac* documentation, originally posted at Fortunecity.com.:
URL: http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Feb 24th, 2010, 12:16pm

on Feb 19th, 2010, 10:00am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Question for Icarus......what was the purpose of the Alabama drone hoax?

Just to see if you could pull one over on LMH?

The DRT?

Why did you do it?

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Feb 24th, 2010, 5:41pm

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The beauty of mystery is a catalyst over and beyond the banality of a common truth.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Feb 24th, 2010, 6:16pm

on Feb 24th, 2010, 5:41pm, Icarus99 wrote:
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The beauty of mystery is a catalyst over and beyond the banality of a common truth.


Heh, heh, dont flatter yourself sweetheart!! kiss

Look at the text in the first post above (Drone timeline) and cast your mind back a year or so (cue dream sequence..)

on Jun 17th, 2009, 3:53pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Seems to me the Alabama Drone should be included in the history of the Drones regardless of any individual beliefs


And as I said at the time:

on Jun 17th, 2009, 4:40pm, DrDil wrote:
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I suppose it was posted on May 23, 2007 right in the middle of the Drone reports but without wanting to offend if I only have LMHs word for that then its not enough to warrant inclusion, mainly as it wasnt pursued or promoted and was remarkably different to the others, sort of prototype looking..

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BUT if you adhere to my earlier theory of all of the Drones being designed prior to release and if this Drone was related to the earlier Drones then it makes sense that the hoaxers would backdate the alleged sighting otherwise it would conflict with establishing their own timeline, perhaps if it is related then its for as simple a reason as the hoaxers didnt want to waste a render? Also, the back-story was very poor what with the Utility vans stalking/staking him out, but if related and if there is more than one hoaxer involved then I would hazard a guess that Mr. Smith is a.k.a. Chad.

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So I guess that makes Raj and the others the alter-egos of the other person/s involved, according to your opinion would that be the father or the son?

In fact why not embrace them all? You may as well add the following to your timeline as well:

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Cheers.

Most notably my opinion that, the back-story was very poor and the assertion that if you accept this as real then you, may as well add the following to your timeline should ring true seeing as you finally claimed ownership of your work.

Honestly, manipulation? laugh

You're only fooling yourself!! wink

Im surprised you can even manipulate a path to the keyboard whilst circumnavigating that massively inflated ego you disguise so poorly. kiss

Quote:
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words.

Philip K. Dick



Anyhoo, regarding the following:

on Feb 19th, 2010, 10:00am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Question for Icarus......what was the purpose of the Alabama drone hoax?

Just to see if you could pull one over on LMH?

The DRT?

Why did you do it?

While I can't speak for Jed I think it's fairly obvious why you perpetrated this obvious deception, but I suspect he was checking to see if you were man enough to admit it yet, which brings us full (LAP) circle and right back to as you said, "banality".....

Cheers!! grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Feb 24th, 2010, 6:21pm

Was already prepared and your truth will always decay.User Image
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Feb 24th, 2010, 6:38pm

on Feb 24th, 2010, 6:21pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Was already prepared and your truth will always decay.

And every occasion when a mask was torn off, an ideal broken, was preceded by this hateful vacancy and stillness, this deathly constriction and loneliness and unrelatedness, this waste and empty hell of lovelenessness and despair."

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Feb 24th, 2010, 6:46pm

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No mask torn away, no despair only the natural decay of a truth set in the mind by design, by a stinging design.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Feb 24th, 2010, 6:50pm

on Feb 24th, 2010, 6:46pm, Icarus99 wrote:
No mask torn away, no despair only the natural decay of a truth set in the mind by design, by a stinging design.

I was talking to Lev..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Feb 24th, 2010, 7:07pm

Oh, who is this lev! some past egoist with delusions of CG grandeur, Some promoter of the drones for reason unknown. Should such a one give answer when answers may still contain real answers or maybe require new lies.

The DRT and others have shown the way here, so follow it. User Image
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Feb 25th, 2010, 07:16am

Are we now turning into Kabuki?


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If so, I like Daikijin.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Feb 25th, 2010, 11:56am

on Feb 24th, 2010, 7:07pm, Icarus99 wrote:
<snip>

answers may still contain real answers or maybe require new lies.

<snip>

Whether the answers or old lies or new lies theyre still lies spouted by a liar and as that is evidently your area of expertise wink

on Feb 24th, 2010, 7:07pm, Icarus99 wrote:


<snip>

The DRT and others have shown the way here, so follow it.

The DRT?

Id forgot all about them so I just had a quick look and if I understand correctly then they are still saying/discussing that just because every single fact concerning the original Drone images (that was able to be independently verified) was found to be absolutely false then this doesnt mean the Drones were hoaxed.

So showing the way to what exactly?

More power to them, but follow them?

No thanks, Ill leave that to you and yours..

Cheers. smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Jeddyhi on Feb 25th, 2010, 2:25pm

If Icarus/Lev/Masker/etc.......wasn't banned from the DRT, he would probably be over there leading them all to the holy grail. As it is, he can't play in their sandbox so he plays here instead. grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Feb 25th, 2010, 3:53pm

on Feb 24th, 2010, 7:07pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Oh, who is this lev!

<snip>

Its a shame you didnt get to meet Lev, he was very special.

Actually he was remarkably & startlingly like you, well, a much more honest version of you. laugh

I guess hed embraced and made peace with his demons or at least he never tried to deny them, but above all he always cheered me up no end.
In fact I still laugh out loud whenever I see the following image/quote he posted:

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Cheers. smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Feb 25th, 2010, 4:29pm

Hi DrDil. smiley
If those CG people who looked at that center light area were experts, I think we have to believe them. grin

It is an amazing feature. Everytime I copy and paste that little forgotten drone into a new image, the object behind the center gets lighter without me doing any adjustments. It's really like a form of pixel magik or new dodge tool. undecided

Talk of demons and the end of humanity is so depressing. Drones should be happy little things. It's dissapointing how this "saga" was kidnapped so early on for such a dismal cultish nano-crusade for what appears to be a following of 1.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Feb 25th, 2010, 6:44pm

No lie, I really enjoy this site. I don't bother with the DRT.

I expect what I get here and find as much humor in your posts as you do in mine. It must be the Best of All Possible Worlds as Dan says. After all only a few players are left as if it was supposed to be that way.

Delightful.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Feb 25th, 2010, 7:13pm

Did he say to follow the DRT? LOL!

I can't find the posts right now, but I think it was back in 2007, and 2008, and maybe 2009 that I said the Alabama sighting was fake.

Actually I have a post where I was making fun of the DRT for including such a poorly done CGI render on their main droneteam.com page, and actually supporting the hoax with their ignorance, or involvement, or both?

I even made comments on how the model looks like it was rendered by the same program that Lev uses.

Why would anyone follow the DRT when they were supporting this string of HOAXES?

DRT is just an echo. They are finding out things that have already been known. They are the only ones that still care enough to continue (paying) to the end even though the end is already known.

The drone hoaxes are all fake, all lies, and the people that created it are all morons looking for attention.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Feb 25th, 2010, 8:22pm

I could not agree more, but for other reasons.
grin grin grin grin grin grin
Quote:
The drone hoaxes are all fake, all lies, and the people that created it are all morons looking for attention.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Feb 26th, 2010, 3:01pm

The most interesting thing is that the "morons" found attention even if for a while. The real real truth is still not known and will never be known and there is the rub. Let us all wait for the next big or small show in this game of ufology.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Feb 26th, 2010, 3:24pm

on Feb 26th, 2010, 3:01pm, Icarus99 wrote:
and there is the rub.


"the rub" kinda like when you walk in the house and that odor tells you that even though you tried to rub it off some unwanted portion of your pet dog remains on the bottom of your shoe. tomi, that's your "q" as she says- but there still could be a real alien foot print on the rug.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Feb 26th, 2010, 3:33pm

Gort, you need to correct the ratios on your avatar. They do not do justice to this Sci Fi Classic. If Tomi comes back it will be by your summoning, do you really want that!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Feb 26th, 2010, 3:53pm

on Feb 26th, 2010, 3:01pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The real real truth is still not known and will never be known.....

How do you know it exists then?
Appears we are back to the game of 20 questions.
Can we play a game of "Hot" "Cold" perhaps to liven this place up a bit? smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Feb 26th, 2010, 6:23pm

Quote:
Appears we are back to the game of 20 questions.
Can we play a game of "Hot" "Cold" perhaps to liven this place up a bit?


The resolution to the Alabama/Georgia Drone seems resolved to the satisfaction of the majority. If there might be other things involved here and there why bother. The complete hoax solution is suitable to explain the Alabama/Georgia Drone. The DRT continues to bat around other Drone/LAP aspects and so it goes.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Feb 26th, 2010, 7:01pm

on Feb 25th, 2010, 4:29pm, Katterfelto wrote:
Hi DrDil. smiley
If those CG people who looked at that center light area were experts, I think we have to believe them. grin

Hi Katt!! grin

Experts?

I always assumed he meant computer generated people!! laugh


Cheers. smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Feb 26th, 2010, 7:02pm

on Feb 26th, 2010, 6:23pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The resolution to the Alabama/Georgia Drone seems resolved to the satisfaction of the majority. If there might be other things involved here and there why bother. The complete hoax solution is suitable to explain the Alabama/Georgia Drone. The DRT continues to bat around other Drone/LAP aspects and so it goes.

Then why are you and I here? Why do you keep mentioning the Alabama/Georgia Drone?
Some bother because there are still questions certain people want answers to.
You know, curiosity and such. grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Feb 26th, 2010, 7:09pm

on Feb 26th, 2010, 7:01pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Katt!! grin

Experts?

I always assumed he meant computer generated people!! laugh


Cheers. smiley

That too. grin
Or it's the output of the simulation model being employed.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Feb 26th, 2010, 7:12pm

on Feb 25th, 2010, 6:44pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I expect what I get here and find as much humor in your posts as you do in mine. It must be the Best of All Possible Worlds as Dan says. After all only a few players are left as if it was supposed to be that way.
Delightful.


I know that wasnt a compliment but Im claiming it as one!! grin

"Dont hate the players, hate the game"?

Or perhaps,

"It may be rigged but it's the only game in town." wink


Divine.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Feb 27th, 2010, 6:16pm

Is this thread and the drone humor thread beginning to blur! If so does it matter. I love this simulation model even though I have not a clue what it is. Dan should be consulted on the effects here.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Feb 27th, 2010, 8:14pm

on Feb 27th, 2010, 6:16pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Is this thread and the drone humor thread beginning to blur! If so does it matter. I love this simulation model even though I have not a clue what it is. Dan should be consulted on the effects here.


I do try hard now to keep the off topic to the humor thread and maybe Ill post such a model schematic and/or its equation there. grin

Regardless, the simulation model concept is simple. Lets use an electrical analogy first that could just as easily be applicable to the Drone Saga.

One takes a few components or subjects grin lets use a resistor (R) in series with an inductor (L) and capacitor (C). Lets now excite this group with an appropriate stimuli (INPUT) i.e., a voltage source (V) and measure the response (OUTPUT) across C.

The Drone saga analogy would be:

Resistor = R = skeptic (damping)
Inductor = L = your typical UFO believer (mass)
Capacitor = C = on the fence believer (1/elastance)
Voltage Source = V = any post on a forum (force) = STIMULIS

Values in () above are mechanical equivalents for those mechanically inclined. smiley

Heres what can happen:

For Large R, C, Small L. OUTPUT = a stable, well behaved response that reaches the INPUT after a long time and stays there.

For Small R. Small C, Large L. OUTPUT = erratic responses (truth/lie) over some time but most likely settles on the INPUT and stays there.

For Small R, L and C. OUTPUT = whatever the INPUT is at any time.

I can go on but I hope I made my point. I assumed simple stimuli (V) but, of course, that is not always the case. Non-linear results could result as well as chaotic responses highly dependent on initial conditions. The interested reader should research the Butterfly affect.

Apply to the Drone Saga as you feel fit. It's a simplified example only, you fill in what the INPUT really is and means. grin

QED

ps I don't care what Dan the Man may say or believe
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Feb 28th, 2010, 3:01pm

on Feb 25th, 2010, 8:22pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I could not agree more, but for other reasons.
grin grin grin grin grin grin


I guess, you are talking about those guys, who get messages from the tv and from the newspapers, telling them, they are just prisoners here on earth...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Feb 28th, 2010, 3:14pm

Oh, now I understand and as for the Dan I refer to................
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Feb 28th, 2010, 4:07pm

Hehe,

I just came by to say hello. Don't know about Dan at all. But I know a lot about people, who live in other spheres.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Feb 28th, 2010, 8:17pm

on Feb 28th, 2010, 3:14pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Oh, now I understand and as for the Dan I refer to................

Wish I could have done a better job explaining it. embarassed It's probably a bit confusing because it sort of implies the output may represent the input. Gotta take it a layer deeper.

I'm sure there is a behavior model out there that simulates all the probable human responses to various inputs i.e., images, comments, timed silence, misdirection and other functions. It would require accurate models of all the various human types, of course, for it to work. It could be extracted from DNA I suppose.

Are we talking OMF Dan? He's just a man, no prophet, limited following, has stories and some ideas to share that some seem to take seriously. Am I overlooking something? undecided
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Mar 1st, 2010, 5:56pm

Quote:
Are we talking OMF Dan? He's just a man, no prophet, limited following, has stories and some ideas to share that some seem to take seriously. Am I overlooking something?

Yes.

I am also on that site.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Mar 1st, 2010, 6:21pm

on Mar 1st, 2010, 5:56pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Yes.

I am also on that site.


Of course you are, you had mentioned that in the past. People just can't stay away whoever they may be or may say. Like bees to honey, or flys .... grin
Is there some other significance to your presence there besides to observe and learn?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Mar 1st, 2010, 7:14pm

The posters and some moderators there are truly beyond the pale. They produce considerable enjoyment in their comments and prognostications.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Mar 1st, 2010, 8:37pm

on Mar 1st, 2010, 7:14pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The posters and some moderators there are truly beyond the pale. They produce considerable enjoyment in their comments and prognostications.

grin
Well at least we may agree on the general source of some enjoyment venues. But somehow I doubt we share the same tastes or comics. smiley But that's life.
There's no buzz at all anymore on the Ca Drones/Issac topic. Woy is missing in action - perhaps he got compressed. grin
There's no more epic attempts to decipher the LAP, disect shadow inconsistencies with the precision of a brain surgeon or outdoing Freud in analyzing the behavior and motives of Chad, Raj and crew. Even DRT is not offering any tidbits except some looking at circle diameters and trying to curve fit data to find numbers within 50% of integers.
It's downright depressing to those wanting to know the why and who of this saga. How will we ever know who wanted who to know that they knew that they knew something they wanted someone to know they knew. rolleyes
That's the main thing, not the baggage that came along for the ride either intentionally or not.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Mar 2nd, 2010, 4:02pm

Great song, Kat!

I finnished the musical part today. Starting the video as soon as I can. You will be famous!

But I think, I will present the result in the humour thread.

Guess, we could be a great team, if I am able to convince you. (Could not convince my women yet. They like the computer parts more than mine. embarassed )
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Mar 3rd, 2010, 6:58pm

on Mar 2nd, 2010, 6:33pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Well seems finished and nicely so. What a relief don't you think. It really took a lot to kill this B.................... cool

Why was this responded to on the humor thread?
There's nothing funny about this particular aspect of the saga.
It won't be swept under the rug or fade away regardless how some may wish it would.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:17pm

I am still trying to think of that episode of Dragnet!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 4th, 2010, 11:59am

on Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:17pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I am still trying to think of that episode of Dragnet!


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Re: TAKE A BIG LOOK PROOF IT MIGHT BE A HOAX
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Blood on the door posts and lintel usually keeps us (more than one) out. Now the Drones are real and ancient especially the BB one. The gold plating is worn and it has broken parts. A special prop for a special job in a final scenario. We (more than one) have stated that belief is not necessary in this work, just a general observation and a little spreading of the word. The creating of a niche in time is sufficient for a connection in the "future". Observations create the connections that in turn produce the perceived reality. Your participation is not required because some have already participated. Simple and well under way.
IC


Can you try to remember this episode (above) as well wink regarding what is "well under way"?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Mar 4th, 2010, 5:26pm

The Dragnet episode is the"Blue Boy". The other episode is a ridiculous attempt at connecting the Drones with demonic power. I have accepted that the drones were a hoax. With all the intelligence poured on it to this end, who can believe otherwise.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Mar 4th, 2010, 8:14pm

on Mar 4th, 2010, 5:26pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The Dragnet episode is the"Blue Boy". The other episode is a ridiculous attempt at connecting the Drones with demonic power. I have accepted that the drones were a hoax. With all the intelligence poured on it to this end, who can believe otherwise.

Yep that's Blue Boy alright. His mind was enlightened with LSD and he must have seen a lot of strange things before his final trip. cool
Some drones are hoax some may be not. Don't matter anymore. The question on the table is and always will be who and why? The fake drones and their fake stories should and will die if they have not done so already. The quest is the story and real reason behind what the fake saga was trying to cover up. That's the star of this real saga or feud.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Mar 4th, 2010, 9:36pm

Lets hope the star doesn't go nova.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Mar 5th, 2010, 06:26am

on Mar 4th, 2010, 9:36pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Lets hope the star doesn't go nova.

And if it does not? There's going to be a lot of explaining to do.

But, I doubt it. There's no agreed upon end date is there? That would be foolish to commit to. Gotta have an exit plan.

Anyway, it'll be replaced with the next big thing for wide eyed sheep to follow along with a new cast of opportunists or wolves as some would say. There will be some returning characters in cameo roles, of course, carrying new props, blowing fresh smoke and polishing fancy new mirrors. Welcome back my friend to the show that never ends. smiley

I personally cannot wait for the new drone and LAP models to hit the internet showrooms. cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Radi on Mar 5th, 2010, 06:53am

on Mar 5th, 2010, 06:26am, Katterfelto wrote:
I personally cannot wait for the new drone and LAP models to hit the internet showrooms. cool


Well LEV did say they have a bunch of models made up.. wink smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Mar 5th, 2010, 07:26am

on Mar 5th, 2010, 06:53am, Radi wrote:
Well LEV did say they have a bunch of models made up.. wink smiley


Hi Radi. smiley

You're right. Unfortunately, those would be last year(s) models and technically can't be sold as new. Certified Recharged Used Drones is an option - low cost too. grin

I always thought the expert opinions on the Lev drones were that they lacked that certain realism needed to be convincing. Just shy of the "wow" factor. I like some of the standalone models but did not much care for the ones showing those strange hybrid bugish aliens hanging around them. They seemed misplaced and out of character for some reason. rolleyes
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Radi on Mar 5th, 2010, 08:43am

on Mar 5th, 2010, 07:26am, Katterfelto wrote:
Hi Radi. smiley

You're right. Unfortunately, those would be last year(s) models and technically can't be sold as new. Certified Recharged Used Drones is an option - low cost too. grin

I always thought the expert opinions on the Lev drones were that they lacked that certain realism needed to be convincing. Just shy of the "wow" factor. I like some of the standalone models but did not much care for the ones showing those strange hybrid bugish aliens hanging around them. They seemed misplaced and out of character for some reason. rolleyes


Must be the models that had that recall due to the cloaking and sudden acceleration.. smiley

Yep those did lack that realism..Same with his stories.. wink smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Mar 5th, 2010, 9:41pm

Poor Lev, from infamy to total disrepute.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 6th, 2010, 06:02am

on Mar 5th, 2010, 9:41pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Poor Lev, from infamy to total disrepute.


Well,... he always has his "formulation" to fall back on, right?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Mar 9th, 2010, 07:06am

on Mar 5th, 2010, 9:41pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Poor Lev, from infamy to total disrepute.




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 11th, 2010, 10:07am

Popular Science has archived 137 years of magazine articles and the ads on each page online for free.. and guess what I happened to find while looking up Palo Alto Labs:




http://www.popsci.com/archive-viewer?id=vUWZaX5aZpcC&pg=105&query=palo+alto+labs
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 11th, 2010, 10:11am

2007 Issue Popular Science grin

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Port St Lucie sounds so familiar wink cool



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Leibowitz on Mar 11th, 2010, 12:12pm

"Drones don't just improve your sex life-they give you one you never knew existed. We are so confident about your renewed sex life with using Drones, that if for any reason you are not completely satisfied, simply return the unused Drones within 45 days for a full refund of the purchase price."

Those pointy parts look a bit uncomfortable though. smiley

Body building supplements, sex aids, metaphysical art and drones...fun stuff.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Mar 11th, 2010, 3:25pm

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Metaphysical Art!!! shocked
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Mar 11th, 2010, 5:09pm

Nice and no joking! smiley
Reminds me a little of a gyroscope or one of those contraptions you see on desks that wobble back and forth.
Can I ask what the inspration was besides the obvious LAP associations?
I can't do any 3D stuff, always wanted too but too many feet in the fire with so many other things. grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Mar 11th, 2010, 5:31pm

Quote:
Can I ask what the inspration was besides the obvious LAP associations?


The LAP was the inspiration, but I do consider the LAP some sort of separate piece of he Drone saga. I also like the LAP design no matter what it is.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Jeddyhi on Mar 12th, 2010, 01:27am

I consider it a man made piece of art using vector brushes. Not to impressive being just circles and swirls peppered with a make believe alien font. I suppose I would be more impressed if it wasn't associated with a hoax.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 12th, 2010, 01:32am

I don't think this used vector brushes, but then I don't know for sure. But I have a sense that this piece of art took a whole lot more than that in a 3/D program. It is really really good in my eye. The shadows, the objects, their placement, the balance. All very good.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 12th, 2010, 02:11am

on Mar 11th, 2010, 5:31pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The LAP was the inspiration, but I do consider the LAP some sort of separate piece of he Drone saga. I also like the LAP design no matter what it is.


Why in previous posts did you say the "original plates" will never be found for the LAP when it comes to copyright issues, if you don't know what the LAP is and who or what has them?

I agree with you, the LAP, the BB Drone, the greenish anti-gravity device are extraordinary, there is something in learning the who, what and why here....


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Jeddyhi on Mar 12th, 2010, 05:56am

on Mar 12th, 2010, 01:32am, tomi01uk wrote:
I don't think this used vector brushes, but then I don't know for sure. But I have a sense that this piece of art took a whole lot more than that in a 3/D program. It is really really good in my eye. The shadows, the objects, their placement, the balance. All very good.


Vector brushes were most definitely used to create the LAP. It is man made. Nothing alien about it. Repeating patterns and designs.

While it has mesmerized a few, most can see that it is only art.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 12th, 2010, 09:57am

on Mar 12th, 2010, 05:56am, Jeddyhi wrote:
on Today at 02:32:55, tomi01uk wrote: I don't think this used vector brushes, but then I don't know for sure. But I have a sense that this piece of art took a whole lot more than that in a 3/D program. It is really really good in my eye. The shadows, the objects, their placement, the balance. All very good.


I was talking about Masker's art he just posted .. not the LAP.
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To repeat the question to Masker/Icarus:

Why in previous posts did you say the "original plates" will never be found for the LAP when it comes to copyright issues, if you don't know what the LAP is and who or what has them?

Rather than answer that question, jump over it and just speculate on who and why.....


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Mar 12th, 2010, 3:24pm

My speculation on this whole affair is that it was a complex hoax that, even with planning, took on a greater life of its own. I consider the drones and the lap to have a certain beauty that captivates and could cause someone to want to join in the game. Ego and being in on the action would probably motivate a hoaxer. To me the metaphysical aspects come from the shapes of the objects themselves. If we decide there was no real planning in the saga, then it was a seed that once planted grew.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 12th, 2010, 4:00pm

Yes, again I think your words have piercing insight because damgumit.... rolleyes grin rolleyes

Ok.. so... what is your speculation about why nobody or group has come out to claim creative rights to the LAP?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Mar 12th, 2010, 5:19pm

Quote:
Ok.. so... what is your speculation about why nobody or group has come out to claim creative rights to the LAP?


Because deep down the various hoaxers must feel that it is in their interest to remain silent. Maybe some feel there is something behind it all or that it is a dead issue with no interest left in it. Also since there appears to be more than one hoaxer or group of hoaxers it could be just too much trouble. I believe the drones are a good example of something that took on a life of its own and in some ways created its own hoaxers.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 12th, 2010, 7:43pm

Speculating a little more here...

Quote:
Because deep down the various hoaxers must feel that it is in their interest to remain silent.



With the royalties from Alienware, the creators of the LAP could be lazing in their own motor sailor out in a harbor in the Caribbean.... (with internet)

What kind of interest would you imagine could prevail over monetary renumeration for such an effort?

And just humor me for one more speculation..

But what kind of minds/persons/group would have the creative talent to conceive of these designs, execute them to excruciating detail to the point it creates as you say.. its own life...

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 12th, 2010, 8:04pm

Just thinking to myself.. the answer to why renumeration isn't important has to be because money is something they already have enough of..
The creators of this material needed extreme amounts of time and resources as well as creative talent and what they may get from Alienware is possibly a drop in the bucket to them?

Icarus, if my speculation isn't too far off base, then what kind of a group would this be? We can't find a precident for the drones.. so what artist group could take this on?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Mar 12th, 2010, 9:33pm

Watching you two talk is like watching a show of Beavis and Butt-head...

The LAP is a large vector graphic, nothing more. It is a computer generated image.

For all we know, there is no "artist(s)" who created it, it could possibly be a random generated image created by random algorithms. All someone would have to do is input some parameters and then click a button and these random circles and gears and curved lines with a half-copyrighted font all over it shows up.

The LAP is just another piece of SCI-FI trash. SCI-FI art is like bad diarrhea in a toilet... always just a random pattern of crap all over toilet bowl.






Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Mar 12th, 2010, 9:45pm

on Mar 12th, 2010, 3:24pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I consider the drones and the lap to have a certain beauty that captivates and could cause someone to want to join in the game. Ego and being in on the action would probably motivate a hoaxer.


...a subconscious confession?

on Mar 12th, 2010, 5:19pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I believe the drones are a good example of something that took on a life of its own and in some ways created its own hoaxers.


Like Lev, right?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Jeddyhi on Mar 13th, 2010, 01:38am

on Mar 12th, 2010, 9:33pm, neveleeleven wrote:
Watching you two talk is like watching a show of Beavis and Butt-head...


LMAO! grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

"huuh-huh-huuh-huh-huuh.....you said butt!"

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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 13th, 2010, 03:29am

on Mar 12th, 2010, 9:33pm, neveleeleven wrote:
Watching you two talk is like watching a show of Beavis and Butt-head...

The LAP is a large vector graphic, nothing more. It is a computer generated image.

For all we know, there is no "artist(s)" who created it, it could possibly be a random generated image created by random algorithms. All someone would have to do is input some parameters and then click a button and these random circles and gears and curved lines with a half-copyrighted font all over it shows up.



If that is your theory about how the LAP was created, then you should be able to demonstrate sample code, generating similiar quality designs and the program..
or else you are blowing smoke....

Personally, I suggest you lay off the strong stuff for awhile....

edit to add: a dissertation about vector brushes is not a demonstration of your "theory"...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by TheShadow on Mar 13th, 2010, 09:35am

on Mar 13th, 2010, 03:29am, tomi01uk wrote:
If that is your theory about how the LAP was created, then you should be able to demonstrate sample code, generating similiar quality designs and the program..
or else you are blowing smoke....

Personally, I suggest you lay off the strong stuff for awhile....

edit to add: a dissertation about vector brushes is not a demonstration of your "theory"...



Talk about blowing smoke.......Pot meet kettle!!!


Tomi you have done nothing but blow smoke about drone theories for 3 years...and have never bothered proving a single theory.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 13th, 2010, 09:56am

on Mar 13th, 2010, 09:35am, TheShadow wrote:
Tomi you have done nothing but blow smoke about drone theories for 3 years...and have never bothered proving a single theory.


Well I'm not offering theories am I? I'm asking questions.. It's an investigation, of who and why.... Since we are obviously still not certain about what and how ... grin (except for the hoax aspect)

In two + years we have all nailed down "where"..
not too bad a start wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by TheShadow on Mar 13th, 2010, 12:16pm

on Mar 13th, 2010, 09:56am, tomi01uk wrote:
(except for the hoax aspect)



Im borderline impressed you admitted (FINALLY) that the drones were indeed a hoax!!! Welcome to the real world, Tomi........now maybe you can get a life!!



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 13th, 2010, 2:23pm

on Mar 13th, 2010, 12:16pm, TheShadow wrote:
Im borderline impressed you admitted (FINALLY) that the drones were indeed a hoax!!! Welcome to the real world, Tomi........now maybe you can get a life!!




Hmmph angry wink .... where have you been?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 13th, 2010, 4:39pm

Icarus when you speak of metaphysical art..
I can't help but notice the similarity of elements between these two:

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Obviously these must be a form of sigil?


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Mar 13th, 2010, 5:05pm

Wow! Circles! I have never seen one before!!! grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Mar 13th, 2010, 5:14pm

on Mar 13th, 2010, 4:39pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Icarus when you speak of metaphysical art..
I can't help but notice the similarity of elements between these two:

User Image

Obviously these must be a form of sigil?


Hi Tomi, I hope youre well!! grin

I appreciate that youre pumping they who must be renamed for information but the two images youve posted would only be reminiscent of each other if you were previously aware of the complex personal history involved, and then, well, its still a massive stretch and tenuous at best.

Isnt it?

However, it seems to me that the image originally posted my Icarus is a reasonable representation of the Drone debacle in an abstract format, I would venture to such an extent that those completely unaware of any prior connection would be able to recognise the connection/correlations which are apparent.

But the image you posted doesnt really seem comparable unless you are previously aware of the chameleon-like deceptive social standings of Lev et al (of course all this is merely in my humble opinion.)

Cheers.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Mar 13th, 2010, 5:18pm

on Mar 13th, 2010, 5:05pm, SiddReader wrote:
Wow! Circles! I have never seen one before!!! grin

Hi Sidd!! wink

I was just talking about you..... grin

Greetings!!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 13th, 2010, 5:49pm

Hi Drdil,

grin @"they who must be renamed"

Well I suppose it's all in the eye of the beholder, but to me these two images incorporate similar elements, in abstract form. And I'm thinking they may serve the purpose of being sigils.. ?? as "metaphysical art"..


edit to add: Maybe my interpretion is too narrow because of reading A.O. Spare.... but a symbol represents something, a sigil describes something, that's why I called these images sigils.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Mar 14th, 2010, 10:24am

Thanks for remembering me, Dil. wink

I wondered, why nobody talked about the Google-logo, but they only seem to use it in Germany:

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Very suspicious! I bet, Robert from Germany did this...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Mar 20th, 2010, 5:25pm

It's so quiet, one can hear a pin drop. Or is this a week long moment of silence for the drone saga? cry
A global search for the truth does take time. grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Mar 20th, 2010, 5:59pm

on Mar 20th, 2010, 5:25pm, Katterfelto wrote:
It's so quiet, one can hear a pin drop. Or is this a week long moment of silence for the drone saga? cry
A global search for the truth does take time. grin



Hi Katt...

Ahh, the silence is deafening and soothing.

As for me, I have been so darn sick for the past 5 weeks that a drone could hover at the foot of my bed, play "Fr Elise," and shove a rectal thermometer up me and all I would be able to say is, "Thanks, Mask!"

Perhaps some of us got so close, and the hoaxter's mouth grew so full so as to become dangerously close to spilling over...

Remember, even Saddam was eventually discovered living in a hole in the ground...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Mar 20th, 2010, 6:39pm

on Mar 20th, 2010, 5:59pm, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Hi Katt...

Ahh, the silence is deafening and soothing.

As for me, I have been so darn sick for the past 5 weeks that a drone could hover at the foot of my bed, play "Fr Elise," and shove a rectal thermometer up me and all I would be able to say is, "Thanks, Mask!"

Perhaps some of us got so close, and the hoaxter's mouth grew so full so as to become dangerously close to spilling over...

Remember, even Saddam was eventually discovered living in a hole in the ground...

Hi Klat. Hope you are feeling better. smiley
If you have one of those drone experiences, there are plently of places you can post it and gain an instant following. You'd be famous! grin

People cannot keep a secret, they eventually slip up, spill the beans, sink the ship or blow their cover in a number of stupid ways. Although some will argue that's a human characteristic and an inferior one at that. rolleyes

We humans are such a pitiful sub-species or whatever. I feel ashamed at times to be human. grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 21st, 2010, 06:58am

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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Mar 21st, 2010, 07:04am

It's the fruit of this drone saga, intended or not, to have to explore so many new levels of thought in order to solve it....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Principia_Discordia
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Mar 21st, 2010, 11:28am

on Mar 21st, 2010, 07:04am, tomi01uk wrote:
It's the fruit of this drone saga, intended or not, to have to explore so many new levels of thought in order to solve it....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Principia_Discordia


Oh my Gosh! You can't make this stuff up. rolleyes It would probably make a good Monty Python movie.

I have to give some of it my own "Original Snub" grin But, I have to admit one learns something new almost every day from the Drone saga.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Apr 5th, 2010, 4:08pm

When talking about the recent DRT/Drone-wiki it reminded me of something back in July of 2007, I dont know if anyone was aware or can remember when the main wiki UFO page was edited?

It was a non-event really but still quite funny at the time laugh as it was only a couple of days after Isaac surfaced and loads of people were Googling for more information on the Drones and inevitably ending up at the wiki-page in question!!

Anyhoo.....

The long-deleted wiki entry read was as follows:

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Cheers. grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Apr 5th, 2010, 4:18pm

While I remember the last few times Ive posted Ive been meaning to mention that I noticed the following was posted to a Blog today, Ive no idea who it is (well actually Ive never checked) and I dont think Ive see the Blog either (before today):


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So it appears as if the dastardly plan has all but reached fruition as the Drone-hoax-meme whilst instantly (if not simultaneously) organic now seems to be both self-sustained and more importantly self-replicating!! (NO computational substrate required grin).

I guess my work here is almost done, almost.. (Muahhh laugh).


Cheers. wink


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Apr 5th, 2010, 4:20pm

Oh, project Serpo was ridiculous in comparison to the little Drone saga and it still has a following too. OMF got a lot from this little gem. A swap of human and aliens as if taken directly from a Republic Pictures Serial.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Apr 5th, 2010, 4:24pm

Quote:
I guess my work here is almost done, almost..


lipsrsealed cry
Cheers
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Apr 5th, 2010, 4:39pm

on Apr 5th, 2010, 4:18pm, DrDil wrote:
While I remember the last few times Ive posted Ive been meaning to mention that I noticed the following was posted to a Blog today, Ive no idea who it is (well actually Ive never checked) and I dont think Ive see the Blog either (before today):


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Just thought I'd add the video as well as the original source for the above quote.




Cheers!! smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Apr 5th, 2010, 4:48pm

Goodness this does have the layout of one of ------- old blogs. My for the old Innocent days of fun and excitement, but truth (?) won out and into the sunset we can ride.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Apr 8th, 2010, 2:44pm

Quote:
Outside of Ufology, I will pursue peeling away these layers of human deception and exposing them for what they are. If a real phenomenon lies at its core remains to be seen.

This is a quote from James Carrion and more can be found here:
http://followthemagicthread.blogspot.com/2010/04/goodbye-ufology-hello-truth.html
I believe this is exactly what he should do and wish him luck in the long quest he faces.

From the DRT:
Quote:
I can't say that I'm either surprised or disappointed in this development. He never did more that a "pi**poor" job anyway: I don't feel he ever did an honest amount of inquiry in his work. It would not surprise me if his real feelings were that this UFO situation was not real and he'd just put in the requisite amount of work to give him a "viteae" to back up his prejudices. Good Bye, Good riddance.


This should probably be in a separate thread, but then again he does mention the Drones.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Apr 8th, 2010, 6:48pm

on Apr 8th, 2010, 2:44pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Quote:
Outside of Ufology, I will pursue peeling away these layers of human deception and exposing them for what they are. If a real phenomenon lies at its core remains to be seen.

This is a quote from James Carrion and more can be found here:
http://followthemagicthread.blogspot.com/2010/04/goodbye-ufology-hello-truth.html
I believe this is exactly what he should do and wish him luck in the long quest he faces.

Makes sense to me. smiley
Guess some don't agree, like his methods or can't deal with what may or may not be at the core. grin
He "neglects the several US Astronauts that confirm 100% the reality of UFOs" - whatever that proves. rolleyes
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Smisser on Apr 13th, 2010, 09:10am

It is everytime the same story !!!! They saw something and then afer years or month they say it was a hoax !!

I heard from a story that fishers saw that 2 or 3 jets shoots a ufo in the pacific !! and then 2 weeks later they said they are filmmakers and have done it at home !! HAHAHHAHA

Its everytime the same storie - HOAXED !!!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Apr 13th, 2010, 3:10pm

Disappointing isn't it. Probably goes all the way back to the beginning of the phenomena. The truth being there is no truth in it at all!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Apr 13th, 2010, 4:00pm

on Apr 13th, 2010, 3:10pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Disappointing isn't it. Probably goes all the way back to the beginning of the phenomena. The truth being there is no truth in it at all!


What is truth? If there is no truth in it, there is no explaining it. Perhaps we should start a thread about the Ontology of the Drones.. smiley

BTW... anyone you know ? wink grin

http://www.ufo-blog.com/ufo-blog/2010/04/new-witness-california-ufo-drone-season.html
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Apr 13th, 2010, 4:32pm

Truth? What is truth? undecided

My goal is simple. Whom, by name, did each part and why?

I care not if any of it has any elements some may consider real or faked to appear real for some unknown reason that only a few know that it's real for purposes they can't say but imply they know but others can't know except by those it was planned to prove to that they knew that someone else knew but did not want them to know that they knew for fear of knowing. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Apr 13th, 2010, 4:35pm

LOL @ Kat..
That's about the truth of it so far grin grin

Except there is a new drone witness who wants to help figure this thing out.
Would be nice to hear from him. smiley

http://www.ufo-blog.com/ufo-blog/2010/04/new-witness-california-ufo-drone-season.html
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Apr 13th, 2010, 6:38pm

on Apr 13th, 2010, 4:35pm, tomi01uk wrote:
LOL @ Kat..
That's about the truth of it so far grin grin
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I know. grin
That new witness I'm sure can help. The poor soul's life will never be the same and he'll be very willing to come forward.
Nah, silly me. He can't come forward because he will be made fun of. So when he does not come forward that will be the reason because ....... rolleyes
I long for the simplier days and intelligent conversation from people like Robert. Wonder where he is? cry

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Apr 13th, 2010, 7:53pm

Let the NEW WITNESS come it's about time. It will be very interesting to see how this one is treated and how this one fits in the scheme of things. Maybe the answer is there, but don't count on............
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by blackwater on Apr 13th, 2010, 9:42pm

UPPER-CASE LETTERS

wink

Is that a confession Icarus99?


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Apr 14th, 2010, 2:34pm

on Apr 13th, 2010, 7:53pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Let the NEW WITNESS come it's about time. It will be very interesting to see how this one is treated and how this one fits in the scheme of things. Maybe the answer is there, but don't count on............



Gee, I don't Icarus. You show me a real drone and will show you real respect.

I believe any honest and real witness will be treated fairly... unless they are proven to be a hoaxer.

You cannot believe that any hoaxer in the Drone case has shown us any respect?


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Apr 14th, 2010, 3:26pm

Quote:
Gee, I don't Icarus. You show me a real drone and will show you real respect.

I believe any honest and real witness will be treated fairly... unless they are proven to be a hoaxer.

You cannot believe that any hoaxer in the Drone case has shown us any respect?


I am not interested in your respect and will never show you a real Drone or UFO because there are none to be shown. This entire UFO phenomena can never generate respect because the disrespect is part of the phenomena's paradigm. The UFO Phenomena is kept a silly circus by design.

Surely I am discredited and reside in the infamy of the UFO dammed (dramatic), but I do have more art (?) and will at some point post it if not banned before. The Drone saga could gain a new life, but I doubt it unless the design is about to do it. Now lets wait and see if we hear any more from this "new witness".
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Apr 14th, 2010, 4:49pm

on Apr 14th, 2010, 3:26pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The Drone saga could gain a new life, but I doubt it unless the design is about to do it. Now lets wait and see if we hear any more from this "new witness".

Well, let me know when I should stop holding my breath.

As for the design, the last stimulus behavioral model was clearly in early beta mode with inferior testers and subjects. Let's hope the code patch is better this next go around. grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Apr 14th, 2010, 5:53pm

Quote:
Well, let me know when I should stop holding my breath.


I would suggest you do not hold your breath. Enjoy the little loony trip the Drones have evolved into or were from the beginning. Relax, have fun, look into my eyes.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Apr 15th, 2010, 10:02am

on Apr 14th, 2010, 3:26pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I am not interested in your respect and will never show you a real Drone or UFO because there are none to be shown. This entire UFO phenomena can never generate respect because the disrespect is part of the phenomena's paradigm. The UFO Phenomena is kept a silly circus by design.

Surely I am discredited and reside in the infamy of the UFO dammed (dramatic), but I do have more art (?) and will at some point post it if not banned before. The Drone saga could gain a new life, but I doubt it unless the design is about to do it. Now lets wait and see if we hear any more from this "new witness".



The word you was meant to be third person You show me a real drone and will show you real respect.

But since you mentioned it, I tend the think that you do want respect. Anyone with the talent to produce the Drone photos (the CGI quality is excellent) should want and deserve respect as a CGI artist.

As to the UFO phenomena, that is your opinion of the field... and that opinion depends on where a person is coming from. Personally, I seek the truth rather than to masquerade behind a hoax. Respect is something that is earned.

I dont know Icarus, discredited? As an artist or as supporting a hoax? The Drone saga is dead and beyond resuscitation. But, as for the art I for one am interested, I like to see good work. But to continue the masquerade it is so blas.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Apr 15th, 2010, 11:48am

on Apr 15th, 2010, 10:02am, Marvin wrote:
<snip>

The Drone saga is dead and beyond resuscitation. But, as for the art I for one am interested, I like to see good work. But to continue the masquerade it is so blas.

Hi Marv, hope you're well wink


"Blas"?

More like pass!! laugh


Cheers. grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Apr 16th, 2010, 06:40am

Yea... that too. wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Apr 21st, 2010, 10:04pm

New one from DRT:
http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=34.msg7035#msg7035

I'm at a loss for words and really biting my tongue on this one. Figured this was the most appropriate place for this. rolleyes

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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Apr 22nd, 2010, 1:09pm

on Apr 21st, 2010, 10:04pm, Katterfelto wrote:
New one from DRT:
http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=34.msg7035#msg7035

I'm at a loss for words and really biting my tongue on this one. Figured this was the most appropriate place for this. rolleyes




Did anyone vet this new witness yet?


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by skytiger on Apr 22nd, 2010, 1:50pm

im glad to know finally the truth about the drone. i figured if it had been real then the media would have never dropped the subject. but who actualy made the photos? so they cant get away with trying something like this a second time!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Apr 22nd, 2010, 2:08pm

on Apr 21st, 2010, 10:04pm, Katterfelto wrote:
New one from DRT:
http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=34.msg7035#msg7035

I'm at a loss for words and really biting my tongue on this one. Figured this was the most appropriate place for this. rolleyes

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Ted Connors or Ted Bastien?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Radi on Apr 24th, 2010, 07:57am

on Apr 22nd, 2010, 2:08pm, SiddReader wrote:
Ted Connors or Ted Bastien?


Ok I haven't looked at this stuff in a while and I am also part lazy wink
But was this one before or after LEvs/Masks/Icarus drone that LMH fell for hook line and stinker...?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Apr 26th, 2010, 08:08am

on Apr 22nd, 2010, 2:08pm, SiddReader wrote:
Ted Connors or Ted Bastien?



Yea, but what happened to Bill?


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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Apr 26th, 2010, 08:39am

on Apr 26th, 2010, 08:08am, Marvin wrote:
Yea, but what happened to Bill?


I think, you got that wrong, Marvin. This must be Ted Connors of the unforgetable "Terminator: The Ted Connors Chronicles".

And even our mate Robert has been active again lately:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109984


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Apr 26th, 2010, 12:08pm

on Apr 26th, 2010, 08:39am, SiddReader wrote:
I think, you got that wrong, Marvin. This must be Ted Connors of the unforgetable "Terminator: The Ted Connors Chronicles".

And even our mate Robert has been active again lately:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109984





Most excellent Sidd! grin



Ya got to love Robert... he's funny.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Apr 26th, 2010, 5:09pm

on Apr 26th, 2010, 08:39am, SiddReader wrote:
And even our mate Robert has been active again lately:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109984



Hey Sidd,

shocked "reading a philosophical book from Immanuel Kant" will most likely always do that to a fellow, methinks.

Not really my choice for a little light night reading...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Apr 26th, 2010, 5:20pm

*Edit*... err Kant said: Nothing human is strange to me. (I am not sure, if they translate this like that to you, but it is most close to his statement.) So he should be mentioned everywhere, where humans are.

(But please, don't say it, when reptile babies are around. Could hurt them.)
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Apr 26th, 2010, 5:28pm

Ha, ha, great work!! User Image


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Greetings!! grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by skytiger on Apr 27th, 2010, 01:02am

if any one believes those pics above are of real ufo's, needs glasses. im an artist and i can tell you those are basic photoshop textures. same for the shading, it dosnt match. and the variations in the contrast is rediculous. now the other drone pics iv seen, those fooled me for a while. but i watched how they screwed up on the lighting in a demonstration on youtube i think. great CG work, but who ever did it needs slaped for doing it and claiming it as real!!!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by skytiger on Apr 27th, 2010, 01:29am

science fiction is an existentale mediphore, that allows us to tell storys of the human condition...

an individuals science fiction storys may seem as trivial as ever, to the blinded critics and philosiphers of today. but the core of science fiction, its esence has become cruital to our salvation, if we are to be saved at all. (izaac azamoph)
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Apr 27th, 2010, 09:02am

I thought it was all solved!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 8th, 2010, 09:28am

on Apr 27th, 2010, 09:02am, Icarus99 wrote:
I thought it was all solved!

Define solved. grin

on May 7th, 2010, 7:48pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Now the DRT is overcome by info from Alabama and Ted. Interesting, no! Why not some other state. We know Birmingham was not Birmingham, but Georgia and so much more. Timing and the lie of coincidence needs to be looked at with care. With care.


For Ted to get any REAL airplay he has to stick with the Alabama account or he would not be Ted. Ted is actually not Ted anyway but someone else but we are only ALLOWED to know his real name is not Ted but he is Ted for purposes of NOT being Ted. rolleyes

Regardless, Ted can't be expected to be taken even semi-seriously if he said he really saw it in Georgia or elsewhere now can he? Or if this was an entirely new witness and account from that time frame he would get less interest or believability. One would think so anyway, but who knows in this game of deception and imposters hidden in art forms. Ted also comes pre-equipped with LMH credentials so this is all expected and can't be coincidence. It all ties together.

Ted is unique in that he has gotten others to do the art forms for him. What a guy! grin grin grin

I can't wait for the next episode of the What can I get someone to believe, do or think Show.

Icarus99, I did not want to post the above in the Art(?) thread because it would be off topic. Besides great progress was being made there by all. The head piece I really liked - it could be either a skull or outer skin with all those bumps and crannies. Very nice and interesting! smiley

Edit: Corrected typo. I mistakenly dropped an "i". embarassed
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 8th, 2010, 5:16pm

Excellent points Katter. Seems the writers have run out of ideas both to pluck from and re insert back into the ufology and paranormal mind stream for their own purposes. Its more like how many warm bodies can they keep interested with a lie till you die approach, somebody somewhere will buy. Bible salesmen use that technique by undergoing training practice talking to trees and fire hydrants to overcome fear of silence..keep talking..even if customer objects they have several Bibles already.
Linda and and the Big three must have had a product recall, as you cant find it on their shelves..much less a demand for this story and their behavior in it.

So again, to minimize the Fail factor, the convenient scapegoat is the military establishment and that a disinfo op took place..and..extending the belief further..there must have been something or they would not have gotten involved..even though not a shred of evidence to that end. Oh there was a military base nearby by (18 miles I think) and that the specialize in EW..something I think most military bases are capable of..
Its so much easier on the thinking faculty to in knee jerk fashion..just round up the usual suspects a la ..Casa Blanca style..

Well by that token there is in Cochran a ufo/paranormalwitches group with 101 members right near cochran and warner-Robbins a college, etc..why not mention such groups..does does it have to be military disinfo complete with an mysterious unmarked white van all the time.
That is imo.. so..linear..if not..Tubular as the Ca Valley people say.

LOL poor Ned..along with prof engrs, barring Reyes, can't be found and as you said katt..they were protected with pseudo nyms to protect the innocent..which in the latter case..did more for the guilty as these mediums lack even a modicum of checks and balances..standards went out the window to propel their stories..even to this day..they function as virtual safe havens for hoaxters.
besides....you know how nagging ufology people and nuts can get with their probing questions..surely any of the Big 3 will vouch for that.

Its the imagery that's important..not the fact it never really ever was for ..err ..lack of better word..real
within that context its not really important who did it..once known its a lie , it still might be survivable..And that should not stop them at all.. You can bet the farm they can also change their nommes de plume.. a common practice of writers... but still ..they are forced back to the drawing table
and obscure writers circles..to find a more effective and bullet proof delivery system..
This one though more sophisticated than Serpos....has been beaten up to a bloody pulp..and can't be restored into another form for use or insertion..in some other tail [sic] grin


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 8th, 2010, 6:04pm

Hi Sys, always a pleasure to hear from you. smiley

I limit myself now to mostly the humor one can dig out of this fiasco. Heck, now that we know that Masker and crew have been identified as Bob, or more formally Robert, what else is left? grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on May 8th, 2010, 6:31pm

on May 8th, 2010, 6:04pm, Katterfelto wrote:
Hi Sys, always a pleasure to hear from you. smiley

I limit myself now to mostly the humor one can dig out of this fiasco. Heck, now that we know that Masker and crew have been identified as Bob, or more formally Robert, what else is left? grin



The definitive Isaac ID would be nice...even if he's a compendium of folk. wink

And a big Hello to Sys!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 8th, 2010, 7:21pm

Hugz u guyz ,,i missed you too..!!
wink wink wink wink wink wink wink wink wink
Oh snap Klat nice banner!
Bob as in Robert from Germany? Who didn't know about Brew , Cold Daddy in miltary..who got us all banned at omf? then when he went to DRT, who verified ip location.. and when he flipped on them they banned him and then he was banned by that idiot at OMf?..that ws sooooo funny ..heck .. we all wanted him back!! Like the art it was a welcome respite back then..
I still laugh in retrospect that was some ungodly funny stuff grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 8th, 2010, 7:52pm

Quote:
I limit myself now to mostly the humor one can dig out of this fiasco. Heck, now that we know that Masker and crew have been identified as Bob, or more formally Robert, what else is left?


Not much, so do we want to end now and just follow the DRT Ted joke! Let me know. grin grin wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 8th, 2010, 8:46pm

For sure, they can't use the military disinfo option..no siree..their option now is...and I'm sure certain quarters will really appreciate the exquisitness of this to explain all that confusion and obliviousness and mishaps..
The Devil made them say it! grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 8th, 2010, 8:59pm

on May 8th, 2010, 7:21pm, Sysconfig wrote:
Bob as in Robert from Germany?

Nah, my imaginary Robert lives in Cochran.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 9th, 2010, 11:24am

on May 8th, 2010, 7:52pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Not much, so do we want to end now and just follow the DRT Ted joke! Let me know. grin grin wink


Sure, but we still need a happy end for Mr. Smith.

As we know from ancient times, he was not the shepherd, but maybe he was real and angered back then. Now is calm and looking for fun.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 10th, 2010, 7:42pm

I think you will need to make that decision on your own.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 10th, 2010, 8:32pm

on May 8th, 2010, 7:52pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Not much, so do we want to end now and just follow the DRT Ted joke! Let me know. grin grin wink


I think it is Ted who should be looking over his shoulder for who's following him. Poor guy was visited by MIB's, getting strange phone calls and being tailed in his car.
The typical witness props. Wonder if those same guys visiting him visited Robert. grin grin grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 11th, 2010, 01:36am

on May 10th, 2010, 7:42pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I think you will need to make that decision on your own.


Well, my decision was, to delete it. The post it referred to was gone anyway.

I rather get me some popcorn and wait for further answers on the DRT forum.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on May 11th, 2010, 12:19pm

The following is a small excerpt from a larger article by Bennett which is available at the RU Blog.

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Ufology as Art Form

There are UFOs and there is Ufology.


Exopolitics represents a post-modern meme-based prototypal entertainment system. Facts and fictions do not relate to such virtual superliminal constructs as SERPO and Project Camelot, any more than they relate to the Yellow Brick Road of OZ or Bob Hopes Road to Morocco. If anything good could be said about them, it is that they represent cerebral Pop Art of a very high standard. This is a relatively new genre of highly wrought modern social comedy: it was born between the burgeoning games systems of web virtuality, and got caught between cyber culture, science fiction hallucinations, and countless elitist conspiracies of many a kidney. Having said that, I accept that Exopolitics is an authentic form of post-modern expression, and I rank it with Thunderbirds, Mission Impossible and the UK Dr. Who.

In that it contains techno and futurist elements Exopolitics is far superior to broad-ass TV sitcoms. Once one accepts Exopolitical culture as a form of multimedia expressionism, it becomes interesting in itself. Most of these Exopolitical people are well educated, highly intelligent, powerfully motivated, quite different to the usual Pippin-style foil-hat Okies from Muskokie. That they are all most probably quite sane is an interesting psychological mystery in itself. That they do not turn into script writers is another mystery. Conventional media may be too small and conventional a form of expression.

Like the aliens of Dr. Boylan, Exopolitical aliens are always engaged in Flash-Gordon daring-do adventures against various Men In Black cabals. Such do not appear near gasworks or sewage treatment farms. They always appear in glamorous hi-tech inspirational backgrounds and their environment appears to be constructed of the techno world of image, symbol and metaphor rather than good alien flesh.

Undoubtedly Exopolitics is Ufology at its best as post-modern Art Form. Warhol would have loved these sculpted multimedia manifestations and their do-anything say-anything claims for human habitations on Mars and Aliens in the White House.

Exopolitics also has the purely erotic nature of instant throw-away consumerism. Lets face it Exopolitics gives give good intellectual sex. It represents the thinking persons Lady GaGa in the manner (in Britain) that arts TV woman Joan Bakewell once was said to represent the thinking mans crumpet.

Asking Exopoliticians for evidence of their claims and belief is rather asking Alf the Alien or Yogi Bear what kind of ice-cream they like. Fact in the strictest sense cannot be applied to Big Media. The liminal memes which make up the body of Exopolitics just dont work that way; they are performers in a comic metaphysical drama. Exopolitics is pure theatre, and damn good theatre it is, too, We must remember that in our burgeoning Global Village there is no such thing as Cartesian distance. The Global Village is a quantum plasma. It works any way which way.

Their blogs and emails alone make up one of the best English-language social comedies since Sheridan or Jonson, and it all is designed to get inextricably mixed with real politics. Take a look at this unblushing prose from Webre:

Quote:
A very real exercise in comparative exopolitics has come about simultaneously, (and perhaps sychronistically) in a Russian Federation and in the United States. Exopolitics in a Russian state Duma have brought Russian President Dmitry Medvedev face to face with the same set of exopolitical issues addressed by the August 2010 ballot initiative for an Extraterrestrial Affairs commission in Denver, Colorado.

Liberal Democrat Party representative and state Duma deputy Andrei Lebedev fears that extraterrestrials may have compromised Russias official secrets. After hearing a TV interview in which the President of the Kalmyk Republic, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, spoke of his meeting with an alien spaceship, Lebedev called for instant action, according to news reports in Russia.

President Kirsan Ilyumzhinovs close encounter took place on Sep. 18, 1997, and Ilyumzhinov recalled it in a recent interview with TV presenter Vladimir Pozner. He stated that others might be skeptical, but added: I believe I communicated with them, I saw them. I probably would not have believed it, but there were three witnesses: my driver, the Minister and my assistant. ABC News reports, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov was at home in his Moscow apartment when they came in and abducted him, taking him to their space ship where they communicated with him telepathically.

Following President Kirsan Ilyumzhinovs revelation of his meeting with extraterrestrials, state Duma deputy Andrei Lebedev concluded that Ilyumzhinov had something to hide, and warned that sensitive information could have been passed to the interplanetary guests.

Seattle Exopolitics Examiner

http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner

All good fun we say, but it often results in people taking things a bit too earnestly.
Here is a quote from a private email:

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A note about the aliens I know and I promise to try and contain myself when I reference these bastards.

I do not speak for other abductees and I do not speak about other alien beings visiting this planet of which there are apparently many. I speak of the SOBs that come to my house and remove me from my bed, whoever they may be.

Bobby says they look like: http://www.ufoconspiracy.com/reports/three_second_eben.htm

Anything and everything any of these aliens I know ever conveyed to me is a lie, flat out lie. At the time I did not realize they were telling me lies but upon returning home and finding out what happened to me I find once again they lied to me. What these bastards do to humans is a violation of our human rights. Our physical body is nothing more than to experiment with which makes one quickly realize we humans are no more than laboratory animals. My handlers occasionally take me, do their experiments and return me to bed and Im not supposed to not know the difference. I thought I had a horrible dream until I find blood on the sheets where bone marrow was removed or more tissue samples were taken, or more blood extracted. And then I occasionally wake up screaming in pain, often very severe pain from yet another procedure. I have woken many times screaming in pain once I was returned to bed. I have scared the hell out of my wife several times when I woke and screamed because the pain was so severe but I could do nothing else but scream until the pain subsided.

Exopolitics is now at a stage in the Web Petri dish where it is about to mutate and transform itself into an imitation toy political system. This relating to whole new systems of experience which relate minimally to the politics and economics of the old industrial world once called the real world.

We have therefore a new form of political control whose existential base does not relate to objective facts and evidence any more than it relates to the horse-drawn carriage, or Gladstones Third Administration.

Here we have a completely new stage of story technology.....


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Well, I thought it relevant anyway..... wink

Cheers!! grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 11th, 2010, 1:35pm

Ahhh Egads,,you beat me to it!! Yet so happy you saw it and so deft at posting it for us....LoL what a great work.
By the nines I thoroughly enjoyed it !

While others go there dont miss the Jack Sarfatti and Gordon Novel legal war brewing with Jack taking Gordon and his lawyer son "Sur" to Court for repeated physical threats emailed to Jack..Quite serious..we know that for assault..its the fear of bodily harm or injury that is just as litigeable as a battery or actual touching..and after reading I was shocked..how some of these "colorful" people can do.., almost like those mibs..! to keep their schemes agoin.. shocked
http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2010/01/jack-sarfatti-submits-police-report-on-gordon-novels-threats/

I've been out the loop ..missing this great stuff..
Art don't we just love it!?
and when we get immersed neck deep in it....its the next best thing to waterboarding!!
Just when you think its over..you get dunked again till you believe..or reach an orgasmic state as Colin suggested..Ahhhhhhhhh!! grin
Alas..those can be faked too..
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But the Verassimilitude..very convincing
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 11th, 2010, 2:20pm

Art has always been the purveyor of the system with the most efficiency and staying power. It continues in that mode.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 11th, 2010, 2:31pm

on May 11th, 2010, 2:20pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Art has always been the purveyor of the system with the most efficiency and staying power. It continues in that mode.

I thought the system was a failure.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 11th, 2010, 2:39pm

It is a failure (IMO), but the art of it carries it forward and creates and defines the myth. The story moves on and after all what is history but a story most agree on or a failed system.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 11th, 2010, 3:53pm

I like Bennett's "analyses", nevertheless he also is a fun factor, because he does not realize, that he is inside this whole circus.
That makes him as much a clown as many of those, he describes.

The only way out of this glass house is the real world. But it is so funny in here. grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on May 11th, 2010, 5:22pm

on May 11th, 2010, 1:35pm, Sysconfig wrote:
Ahhh Egads,,you beat me to it!! Yet so happy you saw it and so deft at posting it for us....LoL what a great work.
By the nines I thoroughly enjoyed it !

While others go there dont miss the Jack Sarfatti and Gordon Novel legal war brewing with Jack taking Gordon and his lawyer son "Sur" to Court for repeated physical threats emailed to Jack..Quite serious..we know that for assault..its the fear of bodily harm or injury that is just as litigeable as a battery or actual touching..and after reading I was shocked..how some of these "colorful" people can do.., almost like those mibs..! to keep their schemes agoin.. shocked
http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2010/01/jack-sarfatti-submits-police-report-on-gordon-novels-threats/

I've been out the loop ..missing this great stuff..
Art don't we just love it!?
and when we get immersed neck deep in it....its the next best thing to waterboarding!!
Just when you think its over..you get dunked again till you believe..or reach an orgasmic state as Colin suggested..Ahhhhhhhhh!! grin
Alas..those can be faked too..
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But the Verassimilitude..very convincing


Hi Sys, long time no vidi brother!! grin

Yeah, the Sarfatti thing has been rumbling on for months now, regardless of the pending case I too think the reason behind their fallout (if ever revealed) will be much more interesting than, well, the fallout!! laugh


Cheers.


(P.S. it's *Verisimilitude* wink)

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 11th, 2010, 5:54pm

Sadly, one more example.

I only know one single example of a legitimate person dealing with UFOlogy.

Glad to know this person is here!

Edit to add: I am just watching "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". I am sure, Isaac is Jack Nicholson! shocked
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 11th, 2010, 6:39pm




(P.S. it's *Verisimilitude* wink)
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B-b-b-b=but Doc .... thats my Trademark!! grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 12th, 2010, 04:40am

@ Icarus would you agree with any aspects of this article?

http://tiny.cc/ai6e2


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Double Nought Spy on May 12th, 2010, 10:53am

Well it looks like I have looked in during Old Home Week. Howdy Fellers! Good to see y'all. I've been spending most of my time in reality these past months, and I must say the experience is quite pleasant. I'm even leaning toward taking up full time residence there.

Colin Bennett always brings a much needed blast of fresh air into the asylum here. I admire him for trying to make some kind of sense of the Exopolitics train wreck, but I'm not ready to abandon my position, which is they are a pack of silly whack jobs looking for attention in whatever way they can get it. Like many other idiots in assorted fields, they do more harm to their purported cause than anything else.

How about ol' Dan Aykroyd?

http://io9.com/5536843/dan-aykroyds-alien-rant-theyre-breaking-the-law

I've long been a fan of Dan, but he's wobbling off into an increasingly eccentric orbit. As much fun as this is, he manages to make the reanimated corpse of Larry King seem competent!

I recently pulled out my old VHS copy of "Coneheads" and had a good time watching it for the first time in years and years. Well worth watching!

Sidd mentioned serious people in Ufology, so while I'm posting off topic stuff here is a link to an excellent blog. The archives are full of richly informative and quirky posts by the Perfesser.

http://thebiggeststudy.blogspot.com/

Do a site search on Carl Sagan for some interesting information from an "insider." I always had strong suspicions about Carl, along with a million or so other folks.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 12th, 2010, 12:36pm

Yes tomi, it reads well as to what I suspect, but who am I to ponder such!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 12th, 2010, 12:37pm

Hmmm... Who are you to ponder such?.. what a tease wink
rolleyes arrrgh...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on May 12th, 2010, 2:15pm

on May 12th, 2010, 10:53am, Double Nought Spy wrote:
I've long been a fan of Dan, but he's wobbling off into an increasingly eccentric orbit. As much fun as this is, he manages to make the reanimated corpse of Larry King seem competent!


Best laugh I've had all day.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 12th, 2010, 2:20pm

Double..!! hugz ..Gortz a high five.. Return from reality sounds very interesting and for sure you all have one heck of a tan by now..
I have a theory that the line between kookiness and creativity is thin like the that gland the hypothalamus i believe its called..that regulates sex and craving for food..
and like a thermostat they can go awry.. grin
And there are people who know how to tickle both sides..
For Dan..hollywood and and its marketeers , for game makers we have ammo marketing aka globally Caret routinely violating forums.. knowing what we wanna here and say the right trigger words to keep it going.. and yes and we get some neat and not so neat movies and products.. and for people like aviary well its their dream to haul in a a fish or school of fishes like ..almost millionaire Joe Firmage who can get ripped off with the right set of papers or "secret documents"
secreted from some obscure yet universally accepted underground lab like area 51..(we all know whats going on there dont we?).by some guys with former service..like an ex cop or sheriff..who were in their weaving of the story.."in the know" They know all to well the ancient adage..fools and their money are soon to part..
and like the aviary these people seem to fly the coup when exposed, or at least get ruffled feathers..until they come up with excuses..like disinfo when it all fails..all the while the planning next big one..at the next waterhole..

The art ..has indeed turned into a science..but the principle..remains..something for nothing whether its a ufo or free energy..(or arrggg Big Foot)can be sold if the imagery and wording is delivered correctly and at the right time.
Every confidence (the term should tell us something) artist..and they themselves will tell you.skill yes...timing is everything..if a bunko artist a scammer cracks out of turn..he/she (they are equal opportunity..and a woman is often indispensable) loses..
They did crack out of turn and worse..they ran out of time.
Yes their will always be fools in the audience..but the pickins is slim..and we who know better are still here in the audience as well ..The tent ..the circus tent is big enough to accomodate us all..but it will be as Engineering said to ATS posters..you guys really are and I quote, a "Hard sell" he packed up his bags and went to la la land....OMF. .the rest we all know is history..

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on May 12th, 2010, 6:00pm

Meanwhile, over at the berrealitywitness DRT site...

All Hail "T"..........All Hail "T"..........O-HO Say, Can you "T"... ♫

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on May 12th, 2010, 7:00pm

on May 12th, 2010, 6:00pm, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Meanwhile, over at the berrealitywitness DRT site...

All Hail "T"..........All Hail "T"..........O-HO Say, Can you "T"... ♫

Hi Klat,

After you posted I checked it out for the first time in ages and the first thing I noticed was that Ted also capitalises words similar to, well, never mind.. wink

Anyway, as I hope- OTF knows I have the greatest respect for his research so this is not a criticism, but I just couldnt shake the image of Hitler as portrayed in SouthPark when seeing his recent recreation of the colonel (as described by Ted), minus the glasses of course. grin


Cheers.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 12th, 2010, 7:07pm

I tell you all with a straight face. Those are the same guys who visiited Robert and took the memento his father had.
However, they were driving a Mercedes.
At least Robert did not clam up and was repaid with some useful info. Appears Ted was shaking in his boots. embarassed


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 12th, 2010, 7:08pm

I just visited the DRT (CAPITALIZED) site and could not believe it. They are actually traveling backward in time. They just do not get it yet.
L E V I A T H A N should come back to them, but never fear! LOL
(SO MUCH CAPITALIZATION).
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 12th, 2010, 7:22pm

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FOR THE RECORD..I AM IN NO WAY RELATED OR AFFILIATED WITH THAT LOSER SHMUCK AKA TED
I AM A REAL PATRIOT AND KNOW HOW TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT AND TAKE TAG NUMBERS DOWN AND HAVE A CAMERA READY AT ALL TIMES..

THANK YOU
Sarah



Yeah doc..curious anomalies...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 12th, 2010, 7:30pm

Icarus..
You know it is the hub caps. Cops, spooks, feds, etc.. all their unmarked cars have hubcaps on them like that.
What else doesn't anyone get?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 12th, 2010, 7:38pm

HoW do wE know that TEd is not one of the researchers at The DrT trying to keep the party going as I am here (oops). Now what about HubCAPs!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on May 12th, 2010, 7:41pm

on May 12th, 2010, 7:08pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I just visited the DRT (CAPITALIZED) site and could not believe it. They are actually traveling backward in time. They just do not get it yet.
L E V I A T H A N should come back to them, but never fear! LOL
(SO MUCH CAPITALIZATION).

Heh, heh, don't flatter yourself sweetheart, you're one of many (all?)..... kiss

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Cheers. wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 12th, 2010, 7:48pm

on May 12th, 2010, 7:38pm, Icarus99 wrote:
HoW do wE know that TEd is not one of the researchers at The DrT trying to keep the party going as I am here (oops). Now what about HubCAPs!


Well, he is a recent arrival over there unlike L E V I A T H I A N. And his voice is different from Mr. Smith's.. so we have to conclude he is two different people or a very very good actor working proxy out of the south.

Which do you suppose.. ??

Now what about them hubcaps.. I've seen them before.. they don't lie.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 12th, 2010, 7:59pm

Doc,
I am very impressed..
Hahahahaha its EXACTLY like the many others..HE just like like THEM just wanted to know know what they are and what they are doing here!!
That interview , just as he said himself..added nothing to get Ted any closer than he was before..to the truth..maybe the part he shared with Linda..who he says shared some thoughts..but not with us..they must have been terrified..
Maybe they can substitute total disinterest in drones into..A news blackout out by the PTB..

wierd that guy..the Colonel..looks just like..to me at least ..
hahahaha Not Col Sanders but George Noory..boy thats pushin the envelope ..
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Icarus.. They are actually traveling backward in time. They just do not get it yet


IC we here in the states call that historical revisionism.
its perfectly understandable given their current dilemma.

Personally, I think they are still mad about the Louisianna Purchase..and want to get even..Good Luck! grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 12th, 2010, 8:14pm

From Ted:
One of the men introduced himself as Col. -------

Where have I seen that before? Some retired military G----- grin

I luv this looney bin! shocked
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 12th, 2010, 8:33pm

Oh! The Billy Meier hubcaps or hanging miniatures that sold so many books. Are those the ones, Cisco?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 12th, 2010, 8:40pm

I think that was Tomi askin that one Double
what hubcaps, I'm Puerto Rican..we're only known for stealing em!...those wouldn't be worth my time..maybe some baby moons! grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 12th, 2010, 8:57pm

Regarding the HuBcApS, I was referring to Duncan Renaldo.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 12th, 2010, 9:34pm

Could those caps belong to the vehicle in which that now famous Alabama Georgia white van was photographed from by a Mr. Smith?
Mr. Smith needs to come forward. He can use the name Jed to hide his identity because he works for the military and is also afraid of losing his job.
He seems not as interested as Ted in doing all he can to help and understand what these things are. rolleyes
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Double Nought Spy on May 12th, 2010, 10:02pm

Too bad those Wedding Cake hubcaps didn't go into production. I never understood why they didn't follow through. The prototype looked great and I'd sure like to have a set for my truck. The claim was the production costs would be too high, but nobody ever took that seriously. Must have been some kind of conspiracy...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 12th, 2010, 10:05pm

All will have to excuse my replies due to OLD technicalities. The decision is final Mr. Smith and the Georgia Drone are fakes and hoaxes based on the WANNABE syndrome. So there we go. The DRT Alabama Drone (Teddy) is the place to run to. Cemeteries anyone?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 12th, 2010, 11:24pm

For heavens sake..get up off of that thing..Tell em this is America..plead the fifth!! shocked Ahh retracted I knew you could do it....you answered..Thats the spirit! grin

Duncan was actually Romanian cheesy poor guy spent a year in the slammer for illegal entry until getting a presidential pardon.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by skytiger on May 12th, 2010, 11:47pm

you all do realize the more extensive you make this forum about the hoaxes, the more your fueling thier fires. and the hoaxes will keep coming, just so they can have thier 15 seconds of online fame. just proove them as hoaxes and end thier fun.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 13th, 2010, 12:29am

I actually agree with you..this one however merits a tad more than the usual scrutiny as people in the know upstairs like Linda and company, ufo hunters. mufon.. had the tools to do the detailed photographic analysis and didn't.just visual adhoc cursory crap.. they could have snuff it out irrefutably..in the very beginning but didn't.instead spent thousands of dollars..tens of thousands promoting noise and buzz instead. Rather let it point to some unknown arty kooks then themselves and the corporations that actually profited from this..They just act like they were never involved..like it never happened..owe us no explanation...much less an apology...Cunards that they are ..

I wanna know why..I'm interested in the level of duplicity of all the above.
and if we can garner a few tips and patterns and signatures and insight of some of these people, as it looks like they have done it more than once...then that does some good for all of us in the future.

But I am in agreement with you sky....so I hope perhaps foolishly..that someone has not only a sense of humor..but decency as well to clear part of this up.

Other than that..I'm just touching bases with old friends here..or juts like Icarus says..visiting a cemetary..seeing an old old haunt..repeat itself..





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 13th, 2010, 5:00pm

on May 12th, 2010, 10:05pm, Icarus99 wrote:
All will have to excuse my replies due to OLD technicalities. The decision is final Mr. Smith and the Georgia Drone are fakes and hoaxes based on the WANNABE syndrome. So there we go. The DRT Alabama Drone (Teddy) is the place to run to. Cemeteries anyone?


Hehe! Connor is just a synonym. So there are no graves of importance. I created a beautiful film, but youtube does not give it free yet. Obviously they are celebrating ascendence day. We all will have to wait. (Btw. I realized I wrote "cemeteries" also. So you must be me!)
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 13th, 2010, 5:04pm

on May 12th, 2010, 11:47pm, skytiger wrote:
you all do realize the more extensive you make this forum about the hoaxes, the more your fueling thier fires. and the hoaxes will keep coming, just so they can have thier 15 seconds of online fame. just proove them as hoaxes and end thier fun.


I am not a native speaker, but I know, that it is written "their" and not "thier". But indeed it is "our" fun. You should know this, because you write here.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 13th, 2010, 5:15pm

If you have seen IRONMAN 2 then you must realize the CG has improved even more. Now reality can never be discerned from a picture if it ever could. If there are real UFOs or aliens they are well covered in what they can do. Now what proof is next, the faithful and true witness! Please!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 13th, 2010, 6:01pm

Icarus, why would an artist whose art is so prolific, and so well mastered.. like yourself and VC for instance, hide their work and who they are and what they do with it for so many years. I can only think that maybe a lot of the work is commercial?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 14th, 2010, 05:50am

This artist:

http://francobrambilla.com/home.html

Just got himself a lot of publicity in the Telegraph today and the work is so drawing and fantastic.

http://tiny.cc/w56d4
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 14th, 2010, 06:02am

on May 14th, 2010, 05:50am, tomi01uk wrote:
This artist:

http://francobrambilla.com/home.html

Just got himself a lot of publicity in the Telegraph today and the work is so drawing and fantastic.

http://tiny.cc/w56d4

Now those I really like. smiley
Inspirational too and I see a lot of possible themes. grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 14th, 2010, 12:24pm

Almost Absolutely (hiccup) original Art! Definitely worthy of postcards..I will never look at another episode of tele tubbies , starwars, and the like with my Grandchild quite the same again.

Im reminded much of the Happenings art of the sixties with appearances of men in Decontamination suits carrying a coffin and the rest played Jazz music down a neighboorhood street..That was Italian too...and very unconventional...The French and Italian seem to have a gift for that. Lol..Even Jim Sparks is Italian..who whould have guessed that.?
But here I believe our artist writer friends if we wish to portray them as such..draw their inspiration , not as we do when we see an art object in a conventional or even unconventional place for a fleeting shock effect.. that for the most part is static..but is using as his.their medium and raw materials something quite different..

Us..

we are in the purest sense the medium being plied, plowed and then like fractal art..cut loose ..to evolve on its own, , the buzz, the moral judgements and outrage, the scientic analysis or lack therof..and key stone cop chases and finger pointing....all part of
a living canvass..

much in the same way was brought out originally at ATS 7/30/2007
by a poster Ghostwhisperer
It is quite eye opening to read this latest blog by dreamsend. And while that is part five, I think it will help you understand where I'm coming from when I say there is a cabal of govt and mil intel involved in dark esoteric beliefs and practices - meme-making for the fun of it it would seem.

And I strongly encourage reading the first four parts as well - including all of the links. For it is truly amazing what even the main-stream-media will do with a 'story' once they get their hands on it.

To whet your interest:


This group of what I will call hoax magicians is a community for whom disinformation, false identity, plagiarism and a whole host of other mind games is the primary expression of their art and beliefs. They justify this behavior, when they bother to justify it at all, by suggesting that we are all stuck in this consensus reality..whether that is in terms of our interpretation and expression of art or capital R Reality. Their disinfo-magic is their attempt to liberate us from these ideological prison.

Problem of course is that theres not much liberating going on. They simply offer new belief systems to step into. Long after they may have abandoned a particular hoax, followers and true-believers carry on.

This bothers me. It especially bothers me because the subjects they touch on affect people in the real world who are searching for answers. And, as will become clear, the terrain of mind control and the illuminati (made famous, let us not forget, by the master and guru of so much of this ideology of chaos, Robert Anton Wilson) is prime real estate for these folks. Youll find them elsewhere too, of course. They like the UFO world as well. And, evidently, the music world.
http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=hoaxing+as+art&fr=moz35&u=www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread294294/pg1&w=hoaxing+art+arts&d=Jf4e4-8_Uxt5&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=TArWAQdi8xieP9aZ4SyksA--


And another tidbit


A group. Using a real name. Creating media hoaxes. Hoaxes ARE the artform. There were a couple of spinoff groups. Heres a hoax that sounds like loads of fun:

Luther Blissetts most complex prank was played by dozens of people in Latium, central Italy, in 1997. It lasted a year, involving black masses, satanism, Christian witch-hunters in the backwoods of Viterbo and so on. The local and national media bought everything with no fact-checking at all, politicians jumped on the bandwagon of moral panic, there was even video footage of a (rather clumsy) satanic ritual abuse being broadcast on national tv, until Luther Blissett claimed responsibility for the whole racket and produced a huge mass of evidence. Blissett activists called this homoepathic counter-information: by injecting a calculated dose of falsehood in the media, they meant to show the unprofessionality of most reporters and the groundlessness of moral panic. The hoax was praised and analyzed by scholars and media experts, and became a case study in several scientific texts.

As you can see, while the general idea of this kind of hoaxing could appeal to the adolescent in all of us, obviously darker storylines are fair game, if youll pardon the pun.

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=dreamsend+blog&fr=moz35&rs=1&u=www.anomalymagazine.com/2009/05/28/arg-watch-may-2009/&w=dreamsend+blog+blogs&d=IFPxWe8_UxhN&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=Hma57gvj2fNqgegnZYAcDg--


http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=dreamsend+blog&fr=moz35&rs=1&u=www.dreamsend.blogspot.com/&w=dreamsend+blog+blogs&d=IrQQp-8_Uid3&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=SV7z5xTTzozWrcIZ29hTDA--

http://www.et-in-arcadia-ego.com/html/Arcadia0C.php
archived links




Does this rule out the Corps (sic)and PTB..hardly as they like Italian and French wealthy employed resident artisans.. all the time to work on their various projects..Much like Alienware, Sony, Hollywood..employs writers for their games or outsource as necessary.
I hardly think think our artist and writer friends are hiding anywhere..merely working on their other canvassess..life is so grand..no shortage of raw materials and tools here, and , lets give the devis their due..it exceeded the normal Andy Warhole moment of 15 mins of fame..-albeit -the expansion of this fractal art effect has diminished considerably for this one to momentary whimpers..the craft and lettering..still worthy of a Tshirt ..or a coffee mug and even ..yes..a postcard...what would the UFO community of icons and and investigators look like for this story ,if it could be translated into colors and patterns?..perhaps.something akin..to .one montage of paint splatters..left to dribble on a drywall...some spots are good..User Image and have impact

other ones.

.
User Image

and some others well..no words necessary....... unless you like watching paint dry..but this is past that point i'm sure. Just how many more chuckles can be gotten from this.Im not too sure..D
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on May 19th, 2010, 08:15am

Just so you know, "Ted Connors" has already been caught giving conflicting stories. It shows he is lying and doesn't remember his own lies, so he conflicts with himself. You must watch him closely, and you will see it.

Thats the funny part about hoaxers who try to role play. The more they talk, the more they bury themselves deeper.

Oh, and we can add "Ted Connors" to the list of people who support this HOAX, and also add a stupid sign-off at the end of every post they make.

Hmm, G, I wonder who it could be? NOT. It's the same schizophrenic guy with the same bag full of multiple personalities who you all have been talking to for a while now.

Some reason they think they can hide behind the computer, and that their unique identity is hidden because all they are displaying is words on a screen. But they are totally ignorant to the fact that every single action, every single word, every single period, comma, space, hesitation, and their visible MINDSET, IDEAS, KNOWLEDGE, PERSPECTIVE OF LIFE, etc... CAN BE SEEN, and is unique per each person to a lessor or greater degree.

They think they are hiding behind their computer, but it's much like wearing a mask to hide yourself, even though everyone can identify you by your "voice" when you speak.

Hoaxers these days... rolleyes
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on May 19th, 2010, 08:45am

on May 14th, 2010, 12:24pm, Sysconfig wrote:
They justify this behavior, when they bother to justify it at all, by suggesting that we are all stuck in this consensus reality..whether that is in terms of our interpretation and expression of art or capital R Reality. Their disinfo-magic is their attempt to liberate us from these ideological prison.


I agree 100%. There is a wave of "new age" hoaxers who don't care about reality, and truth, so they spread their deception and lies around, and believe it is justified because they believe they are "waking people up", as if their way of life, and their level of understanding somehow is going to save the world, or change the world for the better, or at all.

They don't realize (or maybe they do) that all they are doing is creating an avalanche of lies which consumes the weak minded, and later controls their way of life, and their actions, which traps them in a psychosis, and can cause issues for us all. People may react to these lies, and do stupid things all for something untrue.

It's actually scary to think about it...

Like for example, the whole "Power That Be" conspiracy theory. Weak minded people all over the world protest that there is a large group of people who are spending every day of their life contemplating ways to take your money, and your life in the most cruel and ingenious ways you can ever imagine.

People show what appears to be evidence of said theories, and most of the time they are just misinterpreted illusions. People take the misinterpreted illusions (most of the times lies), and then REACT to them. They protest, they riot, they boycott, and some of the really crazy extremists even kill and murder over these lies, and ruin lives, including their own.

Reacting over lies is a big problem. The real problem is the people creating the lies.





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 19th, 2010, 09:21am

Nev!..Lol how are you ..Say..I caught you on that ATS thread "shedding the light", ot more like. should I say "Punching the lights out " on ,crop circles and You were absolutely smashing, I nearly fell out of my chair.
You have the best set of eyes for observation and doing analaysis ..

[b]
You know something?..This is just like The S key ( nothing implied here) on my Lap (haha) keyboard last night , wherein i connected a second keyboard, which, would randomly not type a letter or put in some character as if hitting shift (glad I caught that) giving me of course a double, no..triple headache, because my vision is quite bad, but.... somehow I made it thru those obstacles.
Lets not forget as Gawdd and all his children know..I'm a poor speller. So as Better Dead than Ted.. keeps ranting, the stor(ies) not only gt conflicting , they get worse.

He says he took crash course in evasive action while pursued..Did they teach not the prime directive in evasion..?keep your mouth shut.!

On occasion..there is something called compounding of errors..and one, against all the odds, gets a correct answer. I was always happy when that happened on some of the math pop quizzes back grammar school.
Its why our teachers always said..show your work,,the process..

No such luck here for these girlz and boyz..
The math just did not add up..no matter how hard they tried..and like that pastoral utopean construct they imagined and yearn for..it's clear..Death was present there also ..as in the two shepards looking at the skull pic in the Drone Art thread, pondering , as in my minds eye, where their , as the wiki article so aptly put, "disenfranchised Gods" went to.
Yes Nev..Clearly an almost universal..Macchiavelian ends justifies the means and is perfectly acceptable in sparring belief systems struggling or assuring their survival..Any belief system.. whether unmarked white vans of the MIB, Teds visiting Colonel, or the Ton Ton Macoute of Haiti, or the Infamous 1966 ford Falcons of Argentinas secret death squads... where you really had some mass vanishings ..a trickled down version of the rapture..of thousands of young people
The Russians used imagery well too..back in the day of the Tsar..Ivan the terrible,
Dressed like monks, on horseback, the oprichniks, "the Tsar's hounds", wore a freshly cut dog's head as part of their uniform - to sniff out Russia's enemies - and a broom - to wipe them out. Putin loyalists and playpals like to think that they're ready to rip his enemies apart, they imagine themselves the new oprichniks.

http://travography.com/ba_police/. Scientologists take it the same way....like the Malcolm x.book....any means necessary..we are all fair game.

whosever interest is at risk will try to protect it..even if its only of one troubled troubled man or group.

If you really think you are different ..special..chosen..may I suggest this belief system to help maintain that high level of introspection and foward thinking..
http://www.subgenius.com/pam1/pamphlet_p1.html

Great to see/read ya ..
smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 19th, 2010, 2:35pm

OMG..I just found out about this..circa 11/22/2009

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/estranged_wife_killed_husband:_police

http://www.theshorthorn.com/content/view/18494/265/

*Edit to reduce URL to:* http://tinyurl.com/3aewcv2

Arthur Reyes is Dead..shot not by an MIB..but by his wife ...not a mention on C2C or Earth files..that I can recall..Guess too real for their usual menu of Pablum..
If they did..good..if not..as usual they void..

First credible Drone witness that never got to testify about the Drones on air because LMH cancelled it, and rushed off to uk to see a crop circle.
He was by far the most interesting because he is the only one you knew from the gitgo was real..credentialed and verifiable..
Im checking Whitleys site to see if he posted anything..Prof. Arthur..was a brilliant man, scientist and a beloved teacher...a real avid admirer of Whitley's..if you all read his logs.
This is quite unsettling.


Nevertheless..Belated respects to family
I'll remember him for a long time to come
RIP

(Mod Edit as link was stretching page).
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 19th, 2010, 3:55pm

One more example. It's sad, but true...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Radi on May 19th, 2010, 4:50pm

on May 19th, 2010, 2:35pm, Sysconfig wrote:
OMG..I just found out about this..circa 11/22/2009

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/estranged_wife_killed_husband:_police

http://www.theshorthorn.com/content/view/18494/265/
*Edit to reduce URL to:* http://tinyurl.com/3aewcv2

Arthur Reyes is Dead..shot not by an MIB..but by his wife ...not a mention on C2C or Earth files..that I can recall..Guess too real for their usual menu of Pablum..
If they did..good..if not..as usual they void..

First credible Drone witness that never got to testify about the Drones on air because LMH cancelled it, and rushed off to uk to see a crop circle.
He was by far the most interesting because he is the only one you knew from the gitgo was real..credentialed and verifiable..
Im checking Whitleys site to see if he posted anything..Prof. Arthur..was a brilliant man, scientist and a beloved teacher...a real avid admirer of Whitley's..if you all read his logs.
This is quite unsettling.


Nevertheless..Belated respects to family
I'll remember him for a long time to come
RIP


Hello Sysco...Glad to see you are around still.. laugh
I have been laying low and watching the show...Oh boy what a sad fact of life this brings....Reality........
Interesting how it began in 2007 but for those who need a face to go along with this...
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dfw/obituary.aspx?n=arthur-a-reyes&pid=136845605
RIP.....

I did however found this bit interesting....
Quote:
Recently he had aided in the design and development of unmanned aircraft systems.
Read more: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dfw/obituary.aspx?n=arthur-a-reyes&pid=136845605#ixzz19krVUhR0

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on May 19th, 2010, 5:13pm

on May 19th, 2010, 4:50pm, Radi wrote:
I did however found this bit interesting....
Quote:Recently he had aided in the design and development of unmanned aircraft systems.
Read more: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dfw/obituary.aspx?n=arthur-a-reyes&pid=136845605#ixzz19krVUhR0


Geez guys, don't mention this over at the DRT...it'll get them all worked up!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on May 19th, 2010, 5:18pm

on May 19th, 2010, 5:13pm, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Geez guys, don't mention this over at the DRT...it'll get them all worked up!


Sorry Guys...THEY ALREADY ARE!


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 19th, 2010, 5:22pm

Anniversary time so let the new sightings begin. rolleyes
What a sorry state of affairs. The animation (recreation) of Ted's story is amazing. And all this without even revealing the location. Unbelievable and from the world of Bizarro. embarassed
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 19th, 2010, 5:39pm

Right, Katt, and I wondered, how that sound would fit to the "dopefish eating the Ty-drone"-video.

But that Arthur-story still moves me. Especially, when I read this:

"In May of 2007, officers responded to a domestic disturbance call at the house and police were called again this past October. Both times, Arthur Reyes was ticketed for offensive physical attack. "

Source: http://cbs11tv.com/local/Colette.Reyes.Arthur.2.1358220.html

That was about the time, when I had contact with him. I also noticed, that Arthur's University-site was never updated again. So I think, his problems were noticed by someone.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 19th, 2010, 6:01pm

the link mentioned, physical, mental, and SPIRITUAL abuse..that part struck me as odd. Usually I see only the first two..The trial was supposed to have been in March, 2010 but those can get delayed up to end of year depending how busy the court is.

His logs never gave any hint of being disturbed or in conflict with the wife. in his dreams, just the fawning over Whitley..was what struck me..
and maybe one blowing up a ufo.

@Radi..yeah thats what drew me to him back then ..he was a great programmmer. knew about pilotless and self driven aircraft..had darpa grants...internationally known..had his own metal/steel business.(sold by that time).and into that zen stuff..mostly for martial arts..not any dark esoteric craft but he knew the lingo well with respect to chakras, and sacred geometries..Plugging Lindas books at the same time. Which, is why we wondered why Linda would cancel out..on the event of the milennium in July of 2007 and someone who would have helped boost her goods as well as drone story. As I recall..from Sidds very last correspondence on this issue..Reyes had said t, if i recall correctly, the interview went well prior to proposed airing...
Now we will never know..

But we know..if she did..she just never broadcast it., and he never contacted anyone back, and Noorey, Lindas Lap dog, blew off a caller to kingdom come on that anxiously awaited program. Lots and Lots were anticipating something big..(yet only one drone call made it thru the screening ?)after that..and contrived and hilarious drone appearances elsewhere ..things just took massive nosedive..with only Alienware using the design and later Warners/Fox in its series incorporating the craft design and referencing the story ..with Isaac being played by Abraham..




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 19th, 2010, 6:20pm

When I asked him about his mail to LMH this was his first response:

"I wrote the letter you reference. Linda Howe interviewed me on Monday. However I speak on my own, & not for my employer."

When I said, I had to laugh, because I thought that this could only mean he was part of a game, that I would like to join, he responded this:

"Even if the Isaac material is ultimately proven to be a hoax, I have a
feeling that there is still value in the language material, although I
am not certain exactly what. I would like to draft a plan of research
for examining it carefully. Would you like to participate in the
research?

Please note that I'm doing this on my own time & not for my employer."

And when I answered, okay, I am interested, he mailed this:

"OK. I'll send my first draft plan some time this week. "

It lasted a little longer, but some of you know the result.
At least Sys should, and I know, Dil did not forget, because this was the first time, he impressed me. And he impressed me again and again during those three years.

Sorry, Dill, had to praise you at that moment, I hope, this does not make you look as a suspect. grin

P.S.: This was not the whole correspondence with Arthur, but I always tried to keep things offline, when they were not relevant.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 19th, 2010, 6:41pm

Yes thats correct, and the other part aside the letters was a reference to plasma physics, which Sid checked with a physicist in Germany who in essence told him nothing there.

The Reyes Draft report is available..Doc might have one handy. I have to retrieve it from ATS,

Ahh heere it is
http://ovnis-usa.com/DIVERS/A-Reyes-CARET_Language_Research%20V00.pdf
if any here haven't seen it. I'm sure you all have I believe.As best I know no final was ever done..Leaving it clearly in domain of the esoteric/free energy/antigravity/crop circle and goverment conspiracy buffs which is where DRT is now with Ted....always has been if you look at it and Ovnis historical obsessions with that genre of speculation...

Back to Reyes..I am wondering how he, who taught meditation, and self control after school and or weekends, plus a class a model builder/enthusiast.. had the time to beat up his spouse, while also allegedly..busy online having an affair, and his schooll/profession..It sounds so surreal and incongruous. But truth can be stranger than fiction..
I intend on keeping up with that trial when it happens.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 20th, 2010, 04:53am

Wow... terrible tragedy. I know this drone saga has put a lot of strain (to say the least..) on a lot of peoples lives and relationships. I suppose what was fermenting can only be more severely tested.. In this case tragedy.
RIP

I never communicated with Reyes, that I remember, I just joined the group and downloaded everything I could. I considered his level of academic training and his interest in the nuts and bolts of this drone saga to be an interesting parallel.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on May 20th, 2010, 07:48am

on May 19th, 2010, 6:41pm, Sysconfig wrote:
The Reyes Draft report is available..Doc might have one handy. I have to retrieve it from ATS,

Ahh heere it is
http://ovnis-usa.com/DIVERS/A-Reyes-CARET_Language_Research%20V00.pdf



I dont know octal switches, heavy state tri-switches, octal junctions and diffusers? I get it, they are just trying to see relative patterns and connections that relate to our understanding and knowledge. But isnt the LAP basically acting as a Rorschach inkblot test? The vision is based on the viewer? One can see octal patterns but then the tri-switches blow the octal based concept out of the water.

What ever happened to the infinite diversity in infinite combinations like statement by Isaac? Can one really portray this visually with a two dimensional line drawing? Proponents of the LAP will have us believe that it can be.

Personally, I have major issues with two dimensional line drawings representing (what was suggested to be) an infinite three dimensional holographic array. The LAP did not portray any infinite three dimensional holographic array type of concept and it is a killer to the idea of the LAP being real.

There is no connection to any known physical evidence (like the Roswell characters or hieroglyphs). The LAP is simply art.

The idea of trying to keep hope alive with cosmic speculations is just absurd.


BTW: It is great to see some of the ole friends posting again... welcome back!


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 20th, 2010, 08:29am

Greetz Marvin!
Yes the report is just a plug for Lindas crop circle books., some reserach using that as primary references.ATS..LoL..Master of the Key..whatever happened to him.
It seems the Reyes group never functioned as a group, I thought i read there were 4/5 members..But no one else has openly acknowledged being on that Reyes group or mentioned it during the great debates..other than Sid at ATS ., in fact ithere seemed to be a denial..like it was something just found in the wild...Yet it seems when Reyes told Sid he was mailing him what he had..it was over a week before Sid got something..So it seems either the rest of the group put that together without Sid, or Reyes had it ready at the time Sid comunicated with him and was just holding..till he got the ok from Whitley to do so.I don't see anything where any of the members acted together like a study group would normally function., much less do real analysis in the normal science traditon.or if work was parceled out only to certain members, or if the the members talked even with each other...hell of a research team...looks like they didnt..parcel out anything..to Tomi nor Sid, other than the above..Tomi mentions she downloaded what she could..but it must be I assume only this early draft..as far as we know and we are told.






Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 20th, 2010, 09:25am

Yes, that is what I remember getting from the archives I found there. But I don't remember that format and seeing something about a Jeanie in a chat room as noted in this copy.

Too many emails to cull through, need to weed a lot out and reduce bulk, but I rememeber writing to one of his academic contemporaries I found associated with him. I think the drone interest came as a bit of a shock to this friend of Reyes and I think academics have an extrodinary amount of peer pressure censorship driven into them to conform to "conventional wisdom" of peers.

This is what I sensed happened after I wrote to the fellow academic friend of Reyes..

I kinda went.. "ut ohhh" and tiptoed away..
then other events of investigation eclipsed this and only now do I remember how I might have embarassed Reyes by contacting his fellow academic collegue. tongue
And I'm too busy right now to find that email to the friend. But that's all I can add about the sitaution that I can remember, but it is of little import.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 20th, 2010, 11:41am

Here is another part, I found very interesting:

"If the technology described in the CARET document excerpts is true, my
best guess is that it captures & manipulates naturally-occurring plasma.
Plasmas are really amazing. They have the ability to self-organize
persistent structures that resemble those found in biological cells,
according to a research team in a Romanian university.

I do not remember posting anything to Above Top Secret. However I did
reply to an e-mail message from an alumnus of my employer. He invited me
to join the discussions on ATS, but I declined. Maybe he posted my
reply."

I am still wondering today, who was that alumnus... rolleyes
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by zzeuss1979 on May 20th, 2010, 2:23pm

on the wings of an angel. With the ring of a bell. Wisdom you saught,knowledge you are taught.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 20th, 2010, 3:39pm

Hehe, thanx.

But the humour thread is some steps below. wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 21st, 2010, 11:47am

on May 20th, 2010, 08:29am, Sysconfig wrote:
if work was parceled out only to certain members, or if the the members talked even with each other...hell of a research team...looks like they didnt..parcel out anything..to Tomi nor Sid, other than the above..Tomi mentions she downloaded what she could..but it must be I assume only this early draft..as far as we know and we are told.


I tried to log in yesterday, but was told that my account was deleted due to inactivity. But I was offered, to try to activate the old account, what could last about 24 hours.

I gave it a try and it worked today. No news at all. No secrets either. Only member Nicodemus is an unknown person. The two other members are tomi and me. The last post still is my invitation to all members to talk about it at ATS. No response since then.

P.S.: I just received news, that Jed and Mur hunted down another hoaxer. Well done and great work!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 21st, 2010, 12:30pm

Nicodemus you say!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 21st, 2010, 12:55pm

Yes, I said Nicodemus. So what? Does it ring a bell in you?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 21st, 2010, 1:19pm

Yes..thats what he said!!..Given the sudden profusion of Greco-Latin names.like Zeus.is he kin/ to you? shocked please..do tell..

Great news on Mur and Jed..and Mur particularly as he was pretty much fascinated with another area..not too disconnected from ours.. exopoliticians and the issue of disclosure and was getting curious as to why one particular witness making the conference circuit..kept embellishing the story..much the same way our Ted does..with Mur incurring wrath of OMf and the subjects of inquiry..Just like Jeddyhi was..and much the same way..all of us were.
There is fabrication from liars and even stand up guys.. who.. when they feel people are tired hearing the same story or feel pressured to .."elucidate" with a bit more color..(you know how bored paying audiences get with the plain old black and white of facts) much..similar..to starting with not seeing bodies at Roswell..but then adding one then another..or even multiple crash sites..one would swear an entire fleet was downed..Again Kudos Guys.

Thank you Sidd on that Nicodemus guy....I've been researching the plasma thing and unlike my search years ago..wherein I concentrated on Max Planc Institute.here I found some things via the Romainian references.
http://www.dapla.org/pdf/Lozneanu1.pdf
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/P/plasma-based_life.html
http://inoe.inoe.ro/JOAM/pdf7_2/Sanduloviciu.pdf


It was interesting.. .describes this as similar process to ball lightning..and References to living plasmas was made in the early episodes in Startrek..(link 2)I recall that one as well as another..the planet eater life form..

What I can say ..I can see how with Arthur..a lot would have centered around him , like a pinch hitter, if the story had not been cancelled..A pillar of knowledge like him..gone ...would constitute a collapse of the super structure..the scaffolding..of this hoax ..or anything that could have been garnered if it was something of value..buried in the hoax itself...leaving behind the debris and dust cloud we have all been witness too.
Ceratinly realm of possibilities can be conceded..but its out of the realm thats was needed here..probability.I try never to lose never lose track of the fact in good sci fi..a writer or writer groups..research..rely extensively on the latest cutting edge science..take the iffs for use in their work...before later science can say..no thats not possible or is possible..

I liked some of his book reviews he did..well done ..as he is an authority on the subject matter..but then ..read the last review..
0 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Whitley at His Best, January 8, 2009
This review is from: 2012: The War for Souls (Hardcover)
This is a fun book to read. I read it over Thanksgiving 2008. The excitement begins in the prologue and continues to the very end. You will not figure out what will happen next: nearly each development in the story is a surprise.

If you want to get a summary of what's in Whitley's mind, and perhaps even get insight into how he thinks the universe works, read this book and The Grays. Otherwise you will have to listen to "Dreamland" on www.unknowncountry.com and the subscriber-only interviews for nine years, as I have. Yes, I am a fan of Whitley.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2J8MIJY70PTTA/ref=cm_pdp_rev_all?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview

Ironically Arthur died the following turkey thanksgiving, but at least we know he did not..away from that whole circle of people..as I had once speculated...If he had marital problems..that did not seem to interfere with this occult interest.....
http://theintentionexperiment.ning.com/profile/aareyes
sounds so much like art bell experiments, the we are one..iam iam iam ..hello clouds hello trees we are one! (arrrggg)
Whitley, does not mention him or this loss to all of us..(I mean that too) anywhere..that I can find..at unknown country despite knowing Arthur..
I wonder how He and Linda feel about their adoring fans...well..why am I asking such a silly question...they don't feel anything.









rolleyes
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 21st, 2010, 1:26pm

Nicodemus, Turkish, death in the garage.
Does not ring a bell IN me.
Buried in the hoax itself, surely not.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 21st, 2010, 2:04pm

on May 21st, 2010, 1:26pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Nicodemus, Turkish, death in the garage.
Does not ring a bell IN me.
Buried in the hoax itself, surely not.


Sorry, had to remember that you are rather pious. Then it makes sense.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 21st, 2010, 2:21pm

Pious,no. Just a lonely little petunia in a cotton patch.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 21st, 2010, 2:28pm

what a coincidence. when you said pious Sidd...I found out about Arthurs demise..when i was responding to an email announcement from Rev Bobs church of the Subgenius, which i go thru at times as they are repairing their archives..and new old art from the fringe keeps surfacing..which I like to look at..lol they are a pious group..


or a Pie-Us in the face ) ..hehe..just musing




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 21st, 2010, 2:29pm

You are not lonely anymore. kiss
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 21st, 2010, 2:50pm

Does not ring a bell IN me
But it rung a rather dissonant --albeit-- pleasing chord in me.. reminded me of the gong show..cheesy joking aside..
Petunias Thrive best in the light..not in the shade..a sunny cotton patch is not a bad place..

As for Nico
I found the name Nicodemus at whitleys site..registered 2003 has over 1000 posts havent started on them yet..but here is one chat excerpt from 2004
Nicodemus
Senior Member
Username: nicodemus

Post Number: 1679
Registered: 9-2003

http://www.unknowncountry.com/mindframe/opinion

/?id=183

Nicodemus
Senior Member
Username: nicodemus



Nicodemus: I watch the skies a lot, but unfortunately I live near Washington DC, so I generally see a load of incoming and outgoing commuter air traffic, and that's about it. How much times do you spend watching the skies, and how often do you see something out of the ordinary?
Nicodemus when you asked that q. So we could include these energy components in some kind of language we are learning.\


IC as per your last post in art thread..there are no coincidences..looky here..spooky eh?

Mark_Olson> It's my belief, and always has been, that there is no such thing as coincidence.

Take care..words do come back to haunt us..




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 21st, 2010, 5:12pm

A sunny cotton patch on a disturbingly quiet day. There stands a device like a irrigation pump, but hovering silently over it is a strange object. Both objects seem to be engaged in some kind of exchange, but the object on the ground with its legs in weeds lacks proper shadows. So a long story begins. LISTEN TO THEM, WHAT MUSIC THEY MAKE.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on May 21st, 2010, 6:03pm

on May 21st, 2010, 5:12pm, Icarus99 wrote:
A sunny cotton patch on a disturbingly quiet day. There stands a device like a irrigation pump, but hovering silently over it is a strange object. Both objects seem to be engaged in some kind of exchange, but the object on the ground with its legs in weeds lacks proper shadows. So a long story begins. LISTEN TO THEM, WHAT MUSIC THEY MAKE.

Well it seems as if Levs demise was announced prematurely or his ghost walks among us as thats exactly the kind of cryptically-challenged, loaded-metaphor word play that he (N.B. NOT plural!! laugh) used to so delight in.

RE: but the object on the ground with its legs in weeds lacks proper shadows

Disregarding shadows (because as the believers used to say theres no accounting for how an alien device a.k.a. a Drone would reflect light wink) wasnt that the entire problem?

What I mean is the image was so poorly composited that the fact that the legs were actually above the ground rather than seated on it was unmistakable?

Or are you once again attempting to imply that you played an integral part in engineering the Drone debacle from the outset?

If so then wouldnt your comment be better suited to the humour thread? kiss

Cheers. grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 21st, 2010, 9:23pm

Exopolitics, now this is a place I would not wade. The idea that any human can understand an alien mind is ludicrous. Those who try to tie this Ufology to a nuts and bolts approach are doomed. Sites like this one serve a great purpose in Ufology though, but I wonder how many realize what that service is! BTW I am not Ted. Once I learn my lesson, I learn my Lesson. Now we need something new and these things must be handled delicately to quote Margaret.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 23rd, 2010, 03:31am

I could have worn I just heard a toilet (is that a French word?) flush upstairs!
We've been wading with hiwaters for quite some time IC..
I can tell you its not only ivory soap that floats..

Rather than pointing the finger this way and that way..Turn the finger 180 degrees and follow where it leads back the beginning..

Granted exopolitic zealotry to stage an event is possible.But...let's take atto.....why would atto, an exopolitic supporter, torch bearer at OMF for claim he had something emailed to him that allegedly came from one of the staunchest paradigm shift people and an attorney Dan Sheehan when it wasnt..In fact the mailer hailed from an area he was familiar with, Wisconsin. He claimed to be a Wisconsin graduate..at least worked there..

Posting such a thing at that forum with the number of exopolical people there that run around there with even more alleged alien letters..is more of a planned smear...or mockery..if it had grown legs. He withdrew rather quickly only when I told him of the legal conequences of such an act should Sheehan be placed in a position of having to defend himelf as the source of that. Jut what side could he be on?

Atto had claimed at OMF he had seen these letters at some ranch or place doing research..but the place was burned down..or no longer there..always reminding us he was on the run..We know when he posted at ATS he claimed infringement of design..but..Alienware had not released the design publicly till after that october post..until November 2007..How did he do that..

Bizarre coincidence? I agree with you..there are no coincidences..Maybe he took one one of those nifty remote viewing courses..

No..we go back to the center..we know the people.we know the timetable...not mysterious phantom figures or shadow groups at all..so why should I look up when some says..look up! while pointing to the ceiling and risk losing the french fries on the plate in front of me..

grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 23rd, 2010, 04:12am

on May 21st, 2010, 9:23pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Exopolitics, now this is a place I would not wade. The idea that any human can understand an alien mind is ludicrous. Those who try to tie this Ufology to a nuts and bolts approach are doomed. Sites like this one serve a great purpose in Ufology though, but I wonder how many realize what that service is! BTW I am not Ted. Once I learn my lesson, I learn my Lesson. Now we need something new and these things must be handled delicately to quote Margaret.


Nothing new (please!) till we clean up the old business. There is a lot of work still to be done to solve this case.
And since you are so special in your unique way.. You are drafted smiley Beginning with informing LMH, figuring out how someone in Barksdale hallucinated the Alabama drone in a hanger at an airshow.. getting to the bottom or top of the rest of them and who is Isaac.. That's where we need to go ! Roll up the sleeves.. and join the team(s)


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 23rd, 2010, 07:49am

Unfortunately, the teams appear to play different sports and have different, schedules, front offices, silent partners and fans. And, of course, different rings and trophies for winners and booby prizes for the losers. grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 23rd, 2010, 07:52am

on May 23rd, 2010, 07:49am, Katterfelto wrote:
Unfortunately, the teams appear to play different sports and have different, schedules, front offices, silent partners and fans. And, of course, different rings and trophies for winners and booby prizes for the losers. grin


It doesn't matter how you get there once the end is in sight. IMO wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 23rd, 2010, 2:33pm

I thought we had reached the end! They are all sophomoric fakes except for one.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 23rd, 2010, 3:25pm

on May 23rd, 2010, 2:33pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I thought we had reached the end! They are all sophomoric fakes except for one.


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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 23rd, 2010, 3:34pm

nic654
Guest
Re: TAKE A BIG LOOK PROOF IT MIGHT BE A HOAX
Reply #364 on Dec 14, 2007, 4:52am

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Blood on the door posts and lintel usually keeps us (more than one) out. Now the Drones are real and ancient especially the BB one. The gold plating is worn and it has broken parts. A special prop for a special job in a final scenario. We (more than one) have stated that belief is not necessary in this work, just a general observation and a little spreading of the word. The creating of a niche in time is sufficient for a connection in the "future". Observations create the connections that in turn produce the perceived reality. Your participation is not required because some have already participated. Simple and well under way.
IC


edit to add: You are sooooo drafted grin

edit to add again: The MO above sounds a bit IA to me... what do you think? wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on May 23rd, 2010, 5:24pm

on May 23rd, 2010, 03:31am, Sysconfig wrote:
I could have worn I just heard a toilet (is that a French word?) flush upstairs!


grin



Correct on the Frenchie bit, Sys, but I believe they pronounce it:

"TOY - LAY."
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 23rd, 2010, 5:29pm

on May 23rd, 2010, 2:33pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I thought we had reached the end! They are all sophomoric fakes except for one.


And that was a decent fake, or what?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 23rd, 2010, 6:01pm

So at this late date, what does anyone want from little ole me! I am just sitting here fanning myself in the cotton patch and waiting like a coiled rattle snake (oops).
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 23rd, 2010, 6:26pm

Well, if waiting is your fait, then wait. If it is rattling, then rattle. But you still are trying to be more mysterious than you are, Bob.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 23rd, 2010, 6:36pm

Nothing mysterious at all. As usual, I find your comments a little hard to understand. After all I been a sittin here in little ole Georgia just a whittling away for so long pinning for some attention.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 23rd, 2010, 7:08pm

...trying to spin a little mystery around a drone and a car, nobody ever saw. Not telling us, where that picture can be found, because you don't grant us another laughter. Bad ole you! Share some fun!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 23rd, 2010, 7:21pm

Well you know I am a liar, but just for fun I will keep that lie for the future. Maybe Ted of the DRT can throw some light on it. Now since I am compromised you should know I must seek another web in which to catch my juicy flies. I must as needs be take what I have learned and apply it in the future. It might bring you laughter then as so much of your work has brought me laughter. Do you not see the game! The game goes on and on and I learn from it. Do you?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 23rd, 2010, 8:48pm

You should know my postion right now. If you only want to learn, how the next hoax could work better, I am a little disappointed. I would prefer to make the next video in co-operation with you and your skills.

But it's your choice. And it's only about satisfaction...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 24th, 2010, 01:55am

I was curious.IC ..is there something symbolic in the use of green paint in for example lev's cgi at DRT in the pig parts anti grav device..the one Nemo pointed out the green paint dripping, like from overspray.. or was it just a personal favorite? The respone he gave me in pvt , not answering the green thing.. was virtually the same we see you saying as you learned from us too and how to adapt for next time..as if we had spoiled something between you and the believers.....did we.?
2 seperate questions..
Thank you.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 25th, 2010, 07:37am

Ok Icarus, you win, forget the draft. tongue
There isn't a war anyways.. just a few more drones to figure out and a missing Isaac.
I've gotten used to living with obscurity and innuendo..
but I couldn't get used to missing you in any of your incarnations.. or incantations kiss


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 25th, 2010, 2:02pm

Nice video while we wait for an answer to my question.
Some old videos have a real nostalgia t and like bad habits..are hard to break free of.

While in this nostalgic state..I just realized that Docs statement on that capitalization was almost on the anniversary of my post downstairs in discussion 8..


http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=drone&&num=1232735854&&start=938
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/sys_config/ScreenHunter_01May230003.jpg



on May 23rd, 2009, 12:53am, Sys_Config wrote:
But we know also..he said the picture sent to Atto by Daniel Ramsey.was copyrighted but would not respond to who owned the copyright. ONly an NDA would preclude him from answering..or fear of revealing something extremely important to disregard a legal claim.whereas any rightful owner would, like say SPF tell me remove it immediately..so what could possibly tie his hands?


This is what he told me Sys:

Quote:
Originals And Copyrights Are Owned By Or Are In Possession Of Either Myself Or My Friend The Other "Dan" Mentioned In The Post, We Are Very Much Intertwined And Connected By Means Other Then The Subject Matter Here. I Am Sure A Quick Google Check Will Show That Both Daniels Are Very Much Tied To The UFO Subject And To "disclosure" And I Would Have Little Doubt The Name Daniel Sheehan And Disclosure Is Something You Are Aware Of Already.

drx Is The "Non-human One That Was At The Foot Of The Post" Of Which We Have Over 250 and Some Odd Renderings Of.



NOTE: The first letter of every word is a capital letter, look familiar? wink

and a wink wink back too doc ! grin


your assessment of scripted in that thread..was quite good..I get the sense of urgency on their part in these things as a quick rush job by all of them to cover their A$$.
Its always a pleasure too see rabbits scurry and trip over their own..pellets..





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 25th, 2010, 8:18pm

on May 24th, 2010, 01:55am, Sysconfig wrote:
I was curious.IC ..is there something symbolic in the use of green paint in for example lev's cgi at DRT in the pig parts anti grav device..the one Nemo pointed out the green paint dripping, like from overspray.. or was it just a personal favorite?

Hi Sys, can you post this image or provide link to? I'm not sure what this image is.
I like collecting Lev art and always look for opportunities to add to my database so I can learn and tweak my simulation model too. cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 26th, 2010, 12:14am

Hi Katt..l it was the one in the art forum..
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/sys_config/azimuthcircle2A12edit.jpg. I raised the hue to get the colors.no other change...Atto took original down ..Note the styling i virtually identical to same stylle and to the Leviatan Blog samples .one of which is the thermostat drone..
On the dripping paint
http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=141.0
we had little green men..why not little green pig parts. the commentary was hilarious at the time.
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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 26th, 2010, 07:36am

Thanks Sys.
It looks like the projection theory is climbing out of the grave again. rolleyes
Someone needs to explain to me how a projected image can cast a shadow on itself? Must be special technology.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 26th, 2010, 09:31am

I think until the economy improves..Ufos are out..and Ghosts are still in vogue..
Its a frequent problem it seems with the dead..when they die they don't know they are dead , and like repetitive hauntings just get caught in identical loops depending on the trauma at the time. Indeed the poor lads were traumatized..pushing this "event"..
lol ..careful we might be in the loop too with them..Don't panic..
Its perfectly harmless..
but just in case
Just go to the light...stay in the light Katt smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 26th, 2010, 3:49pm

http://imagine-leviathan.blogspot.com/
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on May 26th, 2010, 5:21pm

on May 26th, 2010, 09:31am, Sysconfig wrote:
I think until the economy improves..Ufos are out..and Ghosts are still in vogue..
Its a frequent problem it seems with the dead..when they die they don't know they are dead , and like repetitive hauntings just get caught in identical loops depending on the trauma at the time. Indeed the poor lads were traumatized..pushing this "event"..
lol ..careful we might be in the loop too with them..Don't panic..
Its perfectly harmless..
but just in case
Just go to the light...stay in the light Katt smiley


Not only Ghosts, Sys, but also Professional (cough) Wrestling is so very in considering these tough economic times! cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 26th, 2010, 5:23pm

Great, Bob! And it is obvious, that you improved very much!

Of course, it was not by "popular demand". But I hoped, you would publish your works again. They should be seen in the light of day and not in the dark of doom.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on May 26th, 2010, 5:24pm

on May 26th, 2010, 3:49pm, Icarus99 wrote:
http://imagine-leviathan.blogspot.com/


Looking good Mask!! smiley

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Cheers. wink

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on May 26th, 2010, 5:25pm

on May 26th, 2010, 3:49pm, Icarus99 wrote:
http://imagine-leviathan.blogspot.com/


Good Gravy!

Some really know how to milk a theme, eh?

Great art does stand by itself, though! smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 26th, 2010, 5:39pm

Outstanding..you went from a cocoon..to a butterfly..
The Scorpion ship was always my favorite..i remember when You toyed with the bionicles..that is one great transformation..I am glad I am a witness to it..
By the Nines of Oblivion!..kudos..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 26th, 2010, 6:04pm

on May 26th, 2010, 3:49pm, Icarus99 wrote:
http://imagine-leviathan.blogspot.com/

cool cool cool cool cool

5 out of 5 cool rating. smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 27th, 2010, 05:35am

Fabulous and thanks for sticking around. Really exceptional work you do ! Those bottom pieces are really so good! The textures are unusual as well. Well Done and thanks for showing them!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on May 27th, 2010, 11:42am

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on May 26th, 2010, 09:31am, Sysconfig wrote:
...when they die they don't know they are dead...



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on May 27th, 2010, 3:27pm

on May 27th, 2010, 11:42am, Marvin wrote:
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RE:
Don't know they're dead already, do they?


Hi Marv smiley; always great to see you!!


So...some of us saw the finale of "LOST" too?

Aptly named "The End?"

Funny popular series...still patently all smoke and mirrors and unanswered questions...plus one really really lame wrap-up. tongue

Where have we heard that before?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 27th, 2010, 4:34pm

Icarus, Lev.. whoever...
I keep looking at those last 3 paintings you did. Remarkable. The more I study them the more I appreciate the perspective you had to use and the abilities you have. Really remarkable, very good to say the least..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Double Nought Spy on May 27th, 2010, 4:56pm

Of course! Duh. (slaps forehead) Lev is from Myst. Why didn't we figure that out long ago? Isaac is no doubt a neighbor or something.

Anyway, nice work there whoever y'are.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 27th, 2010, 7:48pm

In this long Drone journey I have learned many things. I have learned that people do not have to be friends or enemies, but they must communicate. That communication is best expressed through the individual talents of the communicator. This communication, if filtered by the individual mind, leads to a truth that may indeed be the ultimate truth of the situation. It is a needful thing that I say thank you to you all.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 27th, 2010, 9:07pm

The image of the dolphin following the ship (drone?) is cool

This probably should be in the Art thread. smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 28th, 2010, 03:25am

My thinking is beginning to narrow down the possibilities here .. in theories about this drone saga.

Icarus, your talent is fabulous. Your mind is even more interesting, your attitude is even more indomitable.
It is a perk of this case to know you, as remotely and obscure as it is..

And so many others out there who research or have interest or have perpetrated this case.. A faternity of such people as you rarely find forming out of interest in something that captures the imaginations of everyone involved. I will stop my gushing and just say.. I've come to think a strong possibility here, when everything else is eliminated, is that we have screen writers involved.

I will get more free time and keep digging. If I had a lot of time to spend right now I would contact David Lynch to get his opinion of this.

It just makes sense.... screenwriters as well as artists.. but that is just a strong possibility and not the only answer possible.

The level of professional quality that Icarus has just shown speaks for itself. It has really made me realise the level of professional quality that had to go into the rest of this saga. It is definately professional quality.. what ever it is or was..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 28th, 2010, 1:12pm

Professional Graphic artists , screen writers, technical writers, trans-atlantic buzz makers, product branding, serenity and sci-fi artifacts and -lettering--...My God woman..what could it all possibly mean?! shocked....but yes..it seems to be slowly making some sense as you say.
Oh how I miss those Halcyon days when things were simpler--albeit--a trifle boring..

As Bill , I think..smileysaid once of acting...there are no small parts ..just small people..



On an unrelated note..
Icarus ..you still do the bike thing?..That Icarus Leviathan model is quite the cats meow..
User Image Good choice!
Say Did you use autodesk on the myvilla pix?





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 28th, 2010, 5:33pm

Many programs have been used in combination. Cinema 4D, Vue, Bryce, Blender and others were used in most.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 28th, 2010, 5:57pm

Did you ever have experience working with Silicon Graphics computers (SGI) ?

Bet you cut your teeth on them.. eh? wink

(I'd be amazed if you didn't..)
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 28th, 2010, 8:17pm

My earliest experience of a true graphical system was called the GEM operating system (Artline) and the first paint program I used was Deluxe Paint by Electronic Arts. They all worked on so-called IBM machines.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 28th, 2010, 9:32pm

Those are great influences..EA is a great Game company and partner well with manufacturer like AW Dell and others and even movie makers. They were among the first , no the first, with Ammo Marketing, later bought out by Caret Fusionj.. (Did you ever meet them or like them?) to do guerilla marketing [/i]in our forums they set the bar in fact....thats ancient history...a long time..well..not so long ago.. .. I'm sure on the Farm you had access to only the best of everything..I just can't visualize you by yourself in a cubicle..dabbling in truespace, radiosity, Rhino Zbrush Blender( which you hate) or caligari....but I can assisting coordinate , no real artistry need..just general knowledge..a team on a modest budget..d 30 or spread here and there...between people as either a gofer (asst) or a leader..ceratainly no stranger to how the game is played by them..a good platform for anyone wanting their own business one day to learn..
I hope you post more of the other works . Its been great following your evilution.
grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 29th, 2010, 03:32am

In my imagination at least, the farm might be a server farm.. cool

But I don't have to imagine Icarus running a team or trying to coordinate a group. His work is so damn good that I think he has spent very long time with powerful computers and software with early graphics capabilities. How else can you get that kind of 3/D experience before 15 years ago? And his art looks like he has been honing this skill for longer than 10 years.

Some say that even today Silicon Graphics computers have subtle capabilities that surpass the ability of what can be done with PC machines now.

Wondering too if he used Xenon chip machines..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on May 29th, 2010, 12:28pm

So have we solved the who in the hoax?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 29th, 2010, 12:50pm

Not the only petunia (with an Xenon chip) in the cotton field (server farm) IMO .. tongue
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 29th, 2010, 1:10pm

Hi Gort, was gonna ask you in email to take a trip..decided..heck..you are busy enough..
I don't think so, though we can say one of the principal partners in this. He has already stated he was compromised, and could not speak to answer the real questions. Given we have his gallery of past work, one need only look at how the pix were coded for future download..with some using the + in Lev gallery to seperate others numeric others different designation like _ and others different ..the way a spot would appear if different people were simply making drop offs to a spot like ter123abc..traced by me to the UK.

If it was him alone.I am sure .he would have simply said so by this time..
His talent is not at issue here, was never with me anyway..and HE is quite aware of that ..merely his role in the scheme as I see it.. The Lev I knew was young and from oregon , where atto also resided, and worked with bionicles on the same imagery.who wreaked havoc with the Wikipedia posing as several puppets..a tour de force.. before he was banned.even there he was not alone....its as if this was an intern learning in the dept..when he said it was a group of old men ..9 of them, running the thing at his end....i am sure he was telling the truth. Examining his 2007 statements at OMGF>>a tedious process..and of others present here..He was telling the truth then..that cgi could prove it fake..that the imagery was what was important..he had a point then..and he is still making it now..one even saying the talent is now incredible are the ones who said it was no way possible it was his....in fact He has trophies of statements made by the same people..I am sure he relishes that to this day..no need for me to put those here..In my reference to farm..i was speaking specifically to server farm idea planted developed or tended to and harvested ..like real farms..they have becoome giant collectives..corporate farms..

I am aware my eyesight is doomed to ultimate failure..but..while it remains..
I would say that if the others are reading..not to underestimate what is said in the humour thread..Because credit wil be given to who it is due.

No Gort.. nowhere in this do I see..The Buck Stops Here
which would suggest..as Marvin said repeatedlyFollow the money..then we can see things fitting more nicely..without too much imagination needed or even jumping out of the box to do so.

That we caught lev in a few lies..means nothing..that we caught a group of liars, even after the fact of hoax..with something real to gain..and something real to lose..is the BIG picture..this frame, imo, does not quite fit the canvass, however handsome it looks.





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 29th, 2010, 2:03pm

You know sys.. I really wish you would let that go.. the thumper picture mistake... because I'm not always mentioning dopefish am I laugh
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 29th, 2010, 2:21pm

on May 29th, 2010, 2:03pm, tomi01uk wrote:
You know sys.. I really wish you would let that go.. the thumper picture mistake... because I'm not always mentioning dopefish am I laugh


Thank you,
I was helping you from making the same mistake again with the same person..he is very fascinated with you,..whether you know it or not..as like winning a prize..
Im not here to win or lose arguments with you or anyone ..its about discovery and hopefully..old friends and acquaintences together doing it....now again..I am not attacking you..nor do I want a response from you every time I post.as you have done systemmatically since the beginning..which i can construe a attempts to stop or derail..as in the past..i don't need Dopefish for that..simply because we have all been fish in a bowl..and still are..If its any consolation..he had Springer hanging up too..not bad company I would think..That tells me he could care less about either side, if we ascribe sides to this matter..
....i am answering Gort..I would rather read well though out opinions and fresh commentary, even speculation to break the deadlock ... from others ..yours too if you keep in mind what I just said.
thanx again

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 29th, 2010, 2:43pm

Thank you too sys. Peace. I only think that the fascination has to be mine. I'm annoying.. smiley I know..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 29th, 2010, 3:08pm

I am fascinated too..(after all.. we be one fascinatin' group of people ) as like like Marvin was, and who asked but was passed over..(as so many seemingly harmless and admittedly annoying questions have been thruout this drama)..why that wonderful Livyatan blog went down when it did. Why did it when it was going so well?, surely its not a hard as capping that oil spill, still gushing, in the gulf answering that is it IC .? Please do tell .. cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by blackwater on May 29th, 2010, 4:08pm

on May 29th, 2010, 03:32am, tomi01uk wrote:
Wondering too if he used Xenon chip machines..


You're wondering if he has an Xbox 360? huh

Maybe his gamer tag is Watermoose. laugh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_(processor)



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 29th, 2010, 4:44pm

Illustrator, photoshop..etc..from mac to pc..a gammit of platforms and cross platform software backed by a host of varied processors..The choice of most pc artists has usually been mac..I just purchased one 3 ghz macbook pro on Ebay.. with all adobe premium pks, final cut etc..yesterday its incorporated the intel platform since 2007 allowing it to run PC/OS software a well..Irrespective..you can work at home or the farm. Having to meet.. rarely with fellow workers..If anyone got more free plugs then the drone..it was sure enuff Adobe..and probably always will when it comes to digital art, photography, manipulation and deception.
His ip would tell you, unless proxied, what platform he's using ..windows or mac. Is this important at this time? If so, let's ask..
What were you using IC..smiley Don't forget my last questions please..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 29th, 2010, 5:10pm

on May 29th, 2010, 4:08pm, blackwater wrote:
You're wondering if he has an Xbox 360? huh

Maybe his gamer tag is Watermoose. laugh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_(processor)





embarassed Ooops... Xeon ....
High end equipment for high end professionals
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 29th, 2010, 5:27pm

But you work with computers, and you said husband is a software developer so I know you are familiar with whats out there....what part of the hoax material conveys high end to you..excluding the Sarah Conners series..Thats high end to me....Lets see if we can get on the same page by example....
Hmm do you mean like in Kris Videos?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 29th, 2010, 5:37pm

My impression is that Icarus possibly has a degree in fine arts.
He has studied 3/D modeling techniques for many years now and producing the alien art and dark images is like second nature to him now. That's why he is so prolific at it. In order to have that kind of experience and (ahemm) Peerage ie: contemporaries... collegues, or partners who also may be mixed up in this thing... I bet he worked with silicon graphics computers and I was betting that those servers are Xeon. I would expect no less of our masker and friends.. grin

And personally,,, If I was doing this thing, I would be remoting into and out of other computers, in a wide variety of locations. Not using proxies.

But either way, none of this is based on evidence or fact, it is just my suppostion or theory. And in no way implicates Icarus, he just happens to be convient as an example of possibilities.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 29th, 2010, 6:34pm

I do understand you, and that that profile can fit thousands..like spf 32 33 now sp34..degreed and worked with some really great people.
The fact that the other gallery work was excluded, particularly lettering and lap designs, other than bling piece.... points to he can't because it may very well be not his. His may be an adaption of theirs..and why he took his blog down..or theirs an adaption of his..either case licensing agreements or ndas are tricky things to circumvent whether he was a direct employee or subcontractor or even the creator. As for proxie if you are doing a viral..one had better cover or hide ones tracks, If I am going to speculate at all. People can get careless or lsoppy.or lazy...that's when they are caught..That happened here..
Its already a given he has exposure and has already said he worked with EA though he omitted how long..thats a university professional level learning experience if ever there was one..Like being an intern for a James Cameron..if you can survive his outbursts.

Given what's been said so far..why was the blog taken down ?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 29th, 2010, 6:44pm

When he said he worked with EA, that was the graphics software they produced in their early days, no?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 29th, 2010, 6:48pm

Tomi..let him answer my questions for himself please..adding another to the last 3..Is he now bound by any NDA agreement from answering any of these questions. And if not, why doesn't he answer if he is really interested in this dicussion..
Thank you..nothing further for now.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 30th, 2010, 11:42am

I think technology is being given too much credit/attention here. Super computers, remote servers, special chips, software, etc. while certainly a nice perk, may not have been required for any of this.

It does a disservice to the artist(s) involved as well. I can't really speak for 3D modeling software capabilities but I do not see how anything else in this saga would need more than average consumer PC's/Macs for the visuals. The communications could have been done with any old terminal with public net access.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 30th, 2010, 12:17pm

I even would go one step further. All that was needed here, was a curious person trying out some things.
The only question is, why he or they went so far, to communicate with LMH. But we know by now, that she exaggerated more than the hoaxers ever would dare. She had no addresses, no phone numbers, no working place... She just had a lot of imagination and belief... rolleyes

SHE was the real hoaxer. The hoaxer himself was just a funny guy, who gave us a lot of joy.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Radi on May 30th, 2010, 12:41pm

on May 30th, 2010, 12:17pm, SiddReader wrote:
I even would go one step further. All that was needed here, was a curious person trying out some things.
The only question is, why he or they went so far, to communicate with LMH. But we know by now, that she exaggerated more than the hoaxers ever would dare. She had no addresses, no phone numbers, no working place... She just had a lot of imagination and belief... rolleyes

SHE was the real hoaxer. The hoaxer himself was just a funny guy, who gave us a lot of joy.


Amen to that Sidd.. laugh smiley
According to ahhh "Ted" still trying... laugh smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 30th, 2010, 2:51pm

Well as much as I'm "fascinated" by Icarus I can't resist asking him loaded questions... and that's what my line of questioning was, he knew not to answer. (as usual..sigh) rolleyes
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 30th, 2010, 3:43pm

He did. Maybe you did not hear him.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 30th, 2010, 3:46pm

on May 30th, 2010, 3:43pm, SiddReader wrote:
He did. Maybe you did not hear him.


Well.. I interpreted that as an answer to sys's question.. mine was lost in the haze...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on May 30th, 2010, 4:05pm

Don't be shy. Lev is very sober now and I guess, he will answer every question. Don't you, Bob?

I would be interested in some things, too, but I am patient.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 30th, 2010, 4:36pm

Gem operating system and Deluxe paint was in 1985.
He has had 25 years of experience and it took many years after 1985 for current pc's to get to the level of doing the graphics work that SGI computers could. So.... I figured he had made some friends along the way... As well as some time on SGI's and Xeon's .. in the industry..
well that was one of my inferences.

(I've recently come across two Xeon's and they are blazing machines. And recently met a collector of SGI's.)
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 30th, 2010, 4:38pm

I have always been sober, maybe too sober. I do not mind answering some specific questions. For instance, only IBM machines were used for the part of this I know of. I never worked for EA, just used and praised their early program Deluxe Paint.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 30th, 2010, 4:53pm

yes but you ignored my questions, my apology for filtering you as working at EA
on the other stuff thats true also ..adobe the particular illustrator font pointed out brilliantly by Zen Archist was not..until after 1987 .I dont think agani the issue is the technology ..why is that the focus..when its established hoax already based on the technology.Its a non sequitor on what we are trying to do..

Lev answered what he started off with..I dont know what the other members of the group did ..just what we see as end products on the net and commercial products..in film and computer laps..

Which is specifically why I asked that question..If he signed an NDA then..we are spinning wheels here...If he didn;t..he should be more forthcoming..no sound reason given this time not to.....and if such is present..then we can certainly know by what he answers and does not answer..just Like LMH..silence spoke volumes...its that simple..ethics ..morality..are not in the equation..damage control is..And that would be the only reason in my fuzzy mind he/they are still here and it can certainly turn into a case as in The matrix, of Leviathan Reloaded rather than Leviathan Returns..



ps Special thanx and wishes to families and loved ones of those who have fallen in war..we won't forget their sacrifices..


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 30th, 2010, 7:26pm

on May 30th, 2010, 4:38pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I have always been sober, maybe too sober.


Was Leviathan sober all the time ? There were some times when he was cranked up on something... besides eating people right ? wink grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 30th, 2010, 9:38pm

Cranked up? like this guy?

I also said something about why you should care if I spent the rest of my life in prison... let's say you never met me online or in "real" life (whatever that is)... you don't really care if I'm a nice guy or not... okay, this situation could crop up in your life or the life of someone you love. This is simply WRONG. Tell me you don't love or care about a single person who has had battles with mental illness or addiction (even, if only, to alcohol)... if you haven't, yet, you will... there are simply too many of us... and one of these days, somehow, we are going to force this country to quit treating public health issues like moral and legal issues... (Damn I'm good! I almost heard the Battle Helm of the Republic there in the background for a minute! Let me end this before I get cranked up again!)

Name omitted to protect any possible guilty,,
Because UFC members care
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 31st, 2010, 03:40am

We can't always go on names, IMO. There is a Virgil Crow here and a VC there.. but they are different ages and dare I say... temperments.

Heck some places I've had to be tomi09, tomi-01uk, because ppl already have the name tomi01 etc. A few out there, like the one in Texas, have the name Leviathan. IMO... Could be a protg of our Lev.. A Lev66 wannabee cheesy

I think that poor guy you are referencing is not the same Virgil that we know and fear wink But that's JMO.

In fact, I found a whole discussion online where the VC group in Tampa was trying to stop some guy (wannabee musican and artist) from impersonating another (musician & artist) online. But that's in my (ahemm) notes (bookmarks).... and as usual, hard to find.. embarassed




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on May 31st, 2010, 09:41am

We all know that ..preaching to the choir there..I never said who it was, you just did. I said like this guy? I never raised an issue of sobriety..or the drugs) .cranked up..is you well know ..like for drugs..speed crank..etc.). either and wasn't it you who first bought up VC i believe? been a while back..could be wrong..you help me get it right..I'm hazy at the moment..
This 2002 peron claims to be from Alabama..and another peron he references in the same body with links to old collaborators of mine at ATS..small world..
IF it wa Virgil..useles..Virgil said Art is dead..so all this petting and complimenting would be annoying if not laughable to him..
I vaguely remember ..with emphasis..spf33 had pointed him out to you....someone at DRT... and we went on a wild ride ..isn't that how it went?..then masker popped up instantly after that died down..and here we are..spinning wheels ..
Do you have anyone else you would like us to look at?





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on May 31st, 2010, 2:21pm

on May 31st, 2010, 09:41am, Sysconfig wrote:
This 2002 peron claims to be from Alabama..and another peron he references in the same body with links to old collaborators of mine at ATS..small world..
IF it wa Virgil..useles..Virgil said Art is dead..so all this petting and complimenting would be annoying if not laughable to him..


I don't think our Lev66 is from Texas. So the Lev66 in Texas is just another Lev66 but not related to this.

I don't think this poor boy who was sectioned away has anything to do with Virgil Crow et al. JMO

I don't remember what spf33 pointed out. huh

Quote:
Do you have anyone else you would like us to look at?


I'm just trying to step gingerly around the petunias and tip toeing around the tulips .... don't want to disturb or worry delicate flowers wink

All I was asking was.. if Icarus has been too sober... I guess Lev made up for it? grin

edit to add: just joking here! But the old Lev.. now that was an act and a half, if it wasn't a blottoed friend run amuck, well done.

Artist (tick)
Studio (tick?)
Actor (tick?)
Extrodinary (tick tick) grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on May 31st, 2010, 6:09pm

on May 30th, 2010, 4:53pm, Sysconfig wrote:
ps Special thanx and wishes to families and loved ones of those who have fallen in war..we won't forget their sacrifices..




I would just like to join Sys in honoring the fallen as well as still serving men and women of the United States Armed Forces today, Memorial Day 2010. Words are not enough...

That said, we all were of one mind and purpose in a kinda-sorta way ('mostly') here for a short time recently...and when we are, we all benefit. I know I most certainly do at least.

I vow to keep my comments unsnarky and all humor will go on the Drone Humor thread where it will be in good company.



I do have a question for Icarus if he is listening:

On your LEVIATHAN RETURNS web site, which I believe I said demonstrated super-bad CG talent, I couldn't help but be struck by the 'Scorpion Drone' picture that reminded me uncannily of the sand drone in the first TRANSFORMERS movie.

My question: were you inspired by that movie or was the Scorpion Drone your unique idea?

Thanx!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on May 31st, 2010, 7:17pm

on May 30th, 2010, 4:53pm, Sysconfig wrote:
ps Special thanx and wishes to families and loved ones of those who have fallen in war..we won't forget their sacrifices..

Yes, honor and respect for those lost. cry
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on May 31st, 2010, 9:22pm

The scorpion drone just grew from my observations of the BB Drone. Any agreements I have had with any company I have worked for are long gone. I have worked for two significant companies (little known) that I can not mention for reasons of danger. Sound melodramatic! It is supposed to. There are mean people in the business world and thieves.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jun 1st, 2010, 06:57am

on May 31st, 2010, 9:22pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The scorpion drone just grew from my observations of the BB Drone. Any agreements I have had with any company I have worked for are long gone. I have worked for two significant companies (little known) that I can not mention for reasons of danger. Sound melodramatic! It is supposed to. There are mean people in the business world and thieves.



Thank you and THANK YOU for your response.

Much to ponder in your 'danger' reference...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 1st, 2010, 12:11pm

Thank you too..
I loved that scorpion. .You had so many models they could have fit into many a story board ..Thank you klat for asking a fresh and genuine question.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 1st, 2010, 2:41pm

on May 31st, 2010, 9:22pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The scorpion drone just grew from my observations of the BB Drone. Any agreements I have had with any company I have worked for are long gone. I have worked for two significant companies (little known) that I can not mention for reasons of danger. Sound melodramatic! It is supposed to. There are mean people in the business world and thieves.


Montauk?

edit to adjust: Ok.. ok... forget Montauk.. tongue
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jun 3rd, 2010, 12:45pm

on May 31st, 2010, 9:22pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Any agreements I have had with any company I have worked for are long gone. I have worked for two significant companies (little known) that I can not mention for reasons of danger. Sound melodramatic! It is supposed to. There are mean people in the business world and thieves.



The whole Drone saga just feels like someone was applying for a job.

What better way to sell ones art than to make the unreal look real enough to fool a large group of people. I makes a great calling card, no?

I think the whole affair was about getting work.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 3rd, 2010, 3:02pm

I like that Marvin..and they got it ..I personally think they are out of work now. grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jun 3rd, 2010, 5:36pm

"What better way to sell ones art than to make the unreal look real enough to fool a large group of people."

100% Agreed, Marv.

Yes, the power of the human belief system is extremely potent.

And extremely foolish sometimes...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 3rd, 2010, 5:52pm

on Jun 3rd, 2010, 12:45pm, Marvin wrote:
The whole Drone saga just feels like someone was applying for a job.

What better way to sell ones art than to make the unreal look real enough to fool a large group of people. I makes a great calling card, no?

I think the whole affair was about getting work.


Nice to see you posting Marv!! grin

While I dont dismiss the possibility that one person could have created it I struggle to see it as a job application, surely once -one of- the employers checked the claims out and seen the controversy *still* surrounding it they would have laid it to rest.

Also, it would seem pretentious to even ask the employer not to reveal its contents as it should/would be a non-issue.


Cheers.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 3rd, 2010, 6:45pm

I copied all the drone and Isaac stuff to make an application. Let's see, if I get that job!
(It said "janitor" or something like that. I soon will find out what that does mean.)
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 3rd, 2010, 7:00pm

If this group can make this video, can you imagine a group of CGI artists, waiting for the next movie or series or even during the writers strike?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHjxJFpjvkE


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 4th, 2010, 04:17am


http://imagine-leviathan.blogspot.com/

Icarus, the mothman and the travel back in time paintings are really good. Your landscapes are amazing.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 4th, 2010, 11:04am

on Jun 3rd, 2010, 6:45pm, SiddReader wrote:
I copied all the drone and Isaac stuff to make an application. Let's see, if I get that job!
(It said "janitor" or something like that. I soon will find out what that does mean.)


@sidd Janitor..Its one of the archaic words in the states..I believe they use the new more cosmopolitan title environmental engineer or technician , some type like that now cool and gardeners are Landscape Artists. If you applied with the drone work as a portfolio..they might consider you over qualified..(i'm sure we all have been told that at sometime) .


@IC did you receive any money for your concept work in this matter even though only playing in a limited role, as you do say you used the scorpion only after seeing the BB drone..which would imply a separate artist..?
Although there is a usual repetition of caps.throught the correspondences..I believe this was deliberate. rather than a habit...as I note ..(and only those who have read over and over might know what i'm talking about) a difference in cadence ) therefore , imo, suggesting different writers still. I recall one 2007 poster noting that Isaacs at university..was a uk form of articulation.. I can't imagine you doing all this for free..Even struggling artists are known to have to eat sometime and take work totally unrelated to their true calling..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 5th, 2010, 12:13pm

I never received renumeration of the monetary kind, but a form of satisfaction was forth coming.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 5th, 2010, 12:28pm

Icarus,
I've just looked at the last pictures you have posted..
Rah! whoa .... speechless cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 5th, 2010, 1:44pm

Thankyou but

!.you didn't explain out the part about when you the scorpion and seeing the BB drone which gave you the idea for the scorpion.

2 I noted exclusion of the other drone designs and the mention of the lettering and lap design.
A property is just a bundle of rights, parceled out as seen fit by the owner, in which he can retain some without violationg any license agreed upon. You said you have no NDA agreement, but fear these other mean people. Do they have NDAgreements as to this case like tha fellow in the Ramsey Sheehan matter? I'm perplexed as you stated you don't care about the beliefs involved..just the art..yet you seem care a lot about their rights..even though you state have no agreement with them, legal or otherwise..they must be very good friends, are you?

3.Can you in your own words, not someone else' guess, tell us what that satisfaction entailed if it was not pecuniary,unlike like LMH, AW, Fox/Warners , Atto and the Ranch boys etc..Some one like me finds it hard to think out the box and beyond the box cutter as to what that satisfaction was, the sin que non for which you would never have gotten involved?

shocked
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by PPassion on Jun 5th, 2010, 5:45pm

**** Arthur Reyes Death *****


Amazing the speculations people make when you pass on from this Earth. Arthur was not a wife beater but the victim here. He is a very smart, nice man that I miss daily. I am the person his wife claimed he had the on-line affair . I met Arthur on line and he respected his marriage and was a very decent man. He moved out the house in Oct, so although he might be charged with pushing his wife away while trying to leave, it tells an untrue pic. Colette knew Arthur didn't move in with me but she told the world he did. Arthur's marriage ended years ago but he wanted to protect his girls. He loved his girls very much and if you knew Arthur this one thing you would know also. I pray for justice in the trial but I live with this pain daily. He became my best friend in life and his life was taken out of jealousy.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 5th, 2010, 6:27pm

The scorpion drone is a combination of the BB drone and the idea of the dragonfly, as the drones were sometimes called.

I have no real knowledge of the others involved in the creation of the many drones. I made many models because the drone structure hit such a cord with me. If the others have rights, then they have rights. As for me the extension and articulation of imagination into a visual form is a great satisfaction. I believe the drones for a short while made a few think and go where they were unfamiliar. I suppose, in some respects, my art (?) is intended to provoke the visual sense so that out of the box thinking is accessible to many.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 5th, 2010, 7:29pm

on Jun 5th, 2010, 5:45pm, PPassion wrote:
**** Arthur Reyes Death *****


Welcome here, PPassion. Arthur was a big riddle to us all. You are aware, that we are discussing a UFO hoax here and not his person, I think.

Arthur made us wonder very early, because he wrote publicly, that he believed, this story is either true or that there was something of meaning behind it.

The news of what had happened was not known to us, until lately. I think, none of us has enough information to know, what really happened, but we are aware, that reports and articles are often not as truthful as we expect them to be. So thanks for bringing in your personal knowledge.

My deepest sympathy for you and sincere condolences.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 5th, 2010, 7:33pm

on Jun 5th, 2010, 6:27pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I suppose, in some respects, my art (?) is intended to provoke the visual sense so that out of the box thinking is accessible to many.


You know, it is, Icarus. I only wonder, why you spend so much time, trying to make people believe, that you are NOT a good artist and a reasonable person.
I think, you would have gotten the respect you earn long ago, if you had not played thoses other roles.

You got my full respect for the art and person, you show now!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 5th, 2010, 7:40pm

I think it was a kind of evolution or exorcism of sorts. I thank you for your comments, but let us remember that this phenomena called the UFO has some basis in some sort of reality and that is very interesting.

After all I still have a little of the devil in me.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 5th, 2010, 8:07pm

on Jun 5th, 2010, 5:45pm, PPassion wrote:
**** Arthur Reyes Death *****


Amazing the speculations people make when you pass on from this Earth. Arthur was not a wife beater but the victim here. He is a very smart, nice man that I miss daily. I am the person his wife claimed he had the on-line affair . I met Arthur on line and he respected his marriage and was a very decent man. He moved out the house in Oct, so although he might be charged with pushing his wife away while trying to leave, it tells an untrue pic. Colette knew Arthur didn't move in with me but she told the world he did. Arthur's marriage ended years ago but he wanted to protect his girls. He loved his girls very much and if you knew Arthur this one thing you would know also. I pray for justice in the trial but I live with this pain daily. He became my best friend in life and his life was taken out of jealousy.



Welcome and my condolences I only recently found out about his death. It was a shock to me as well. Its my intention to post of him as i knew him based on my rsearch in the past..a great man making practical use of cutting edge science. a great reknown teacher..his students championships told the story.... a kind man...a family man..God doesn't like ugly and I am sure justice , small consolation as it is for his girls..will prevail.and as far as this hoax matter..
the people like whitley and Linda of Earth files..are all entertainment..and hoaxes are what's part of the entertainment..menu....
He did more for them.just by his presence and back ground...than they did for him....as they lacked credibility in most of what they do and did.....and I do resent them not even acknowledging his death at that forum....given his years at whitleys at least nine. I certainly feel touched..and am glad he found an online friend he could talk too..while he went thru his ordeal..As divorced person..I've been there..and understand the paranoia some wives feel about computers period..
But enough of that..may you find comfort and peace of mind.
We'll continue try to gather the truth in this matter.


Regards
Sys
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 5th, 2010, 8:48pm

on Jun 5th, 2010, 7:40pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I think it was a kind of evolution or exorcism of sorts. I thank you for your comments, but let us remember that this phenomena called the UFO has some basis in some sort of reality and that is very interesting.

After all I still have a little of the devil in me.


A little may be a matter of perspective..as in how many angels can fit on the head of a needle..just kidding..
The devil is in the details...Volume hides sin..(business phrase), irrespective...this did make for a good research on pre cult development.. of myths..lore and lets not leave it out..art.grin

you are Most Kind answering

peace


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 6th, 2010, 1:47pm

The more I think about it...This website has a lot in common with the design of the IA and related sites.

http://www.uforesponseteam.com/#

edit to add: French registered and hosted in the UK through a do it yourself web design co... but interesting all the same, the similiarities..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 7th, 2010, 6:57pm

Thinking about your latest picture "My Own Terminator". The Billy Idol song White Wedding comes to mind grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 8th, 2010, 04:29am

I always thought dinosaurs came from ufos, this video is proof. Probably used them for steak until that darn asteroid.

cgi getting common now, any high school kid in graphics can make a drone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QikLwpi_LWA&feature=watch_response




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 8th, 2010, 1:37pm

Yes, and that power will grow far beyond . That is one of the points of this exercise over the long run. The way a cell phone is now an emotional companion for most is a good example. This will grow.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 8th, 2010, 2:47pm

But can you just imagine a 5 thick dinosaur steak, fillet minion 5 lbs or better.


That thought alone, never mind the dronies.


I wonder if there are lobsters in England?

Surf and turf
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by blackwater on Jun 8th, 2010, 4:23pm

on Jun 8th, 2010, 04:29am, Gort wrote:
I always thought dinosaurs came from ufos, this video is proof. Probably used them for steak until that darn asteroid.

cgi getting common now, any high school kid in graphics can make a drone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QikLwpi_LWA&feature=watch_response



LOL

Nick Pope got involved with that one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adroNNbzRe8#t=2m37s


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 9th, 2010, 10:37pm

Hey, great news! LMH is going to prod the winesses! grin
Now we are cooking - with gas - as John Lee Hooker would say. cool

I just know now that more witnesses like Ted are going to come forward to help solve this saga. I just know it's going to happen.

"Don't be silly, Toto. Scarecrows don't talk.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 10th, 2010, 02:19am

Maybe there is still time for ted to get on the agenda of the Mufon International UFO Symposium as a guest speaker. LMH is scheduled.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 10th, 2010, 03:47am

Yes they ratchet the gears up this time of year..and the must be hurting to aggregate themselves together like this.
and only 250 bucks!...Jezus H Krist....that flyer is bleeding edge graphix at its best.. I dare anyone here to tell me thats CGI.. Cutting edge they say as well, but in their case .. I take it to mean they dont have enough to fill a sheet of paper..you'll get a paper cut if you try finding anything of substance..
User Image

I like whitleys dreamland better.dreamland show in July...hes got all kinds of nifty communion pins and necklaces and books.
yet not once ...not twice even...has he sold replicas. of .what is universally accepted as the center piece of his story in the book Communion..
The probe.
It seems to me ...if Doc marketss that Balm as dual use instead of just the Face.....it could do well at the conferemce..along with the replica which could be included with the book purchase..Repeat abductees would see it as a boon and welcome addition .to add to the sense of realism to the story..I am sure while they read the book on those loneliy nights..too....phenomenal potential there for runaway sales...I would say.. cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 10th, 2010, 05:53am

Why is Linda at the bottom of this group of experts? Keynote speaker at the end perhaps?

1980 Telepathic lights? rolleyes

And most shocking of all - no drones or Isaac - one of the greatest mysteries of the century completely ignored. The photo and witness evidence apparently can't meet the high standards of the other material being presented.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jun 10th, 2010, 06:07am

[ta-da]"Great Jumping Jehosaphat!"
"Great Jumping Jehosaphat!"
"Great Jumping Jehosaphat!"


It's almost 4 AM PST and I just now read this over at "that other place" and I don't know if I should post it here or on the drone humor thread so I'll do both:

"Isaac is a hero for revealing parts one of the greatest mysteries of the century."


I said it before and I'll say it again:
"Great Jumping Jehosaphat!"
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 12th, 2010, 12:43pm

Paranormal & UFO Conference 2010 : Weird 10 Wiltshires Premier Conference Event

I've never been to one of these and it actually sounds like fun. Anyone else going who would like to meet up let me know. I might book a seat. Why not smiley 20.00 for the day isn't too bad cool


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 12th, 2010, 4:59pm

Back to Icarus's art. You put a couple more landscape paintings into your blog. It shows me how fine an artist you are and how much a study and appreciation you have for the beauty of nature. Demons or not you are one hell of an artist cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 12th, 2010, 7:05pm

on Jun 12th, 2010, 12:43pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Paranormal & UFO Conference 2010 : Weird 10 Wiltshires Premier Conference Event

I've never been to one of these and it actually sounds like fun. Anyone else going who would like to meet up let me know. I might book a seat. Why not smiley 20.00 for the day isn't too bad cool



This one I have to pass on. It's not that I cannot afford it but the weirdness per dollar (US cash currency! grin) does not seem to get much for the buck.

I've only been to one UFO conference and it was about 15 years ago. It was held at a local name brand motel and cost about $20 USD at the time for a 2 hour show. To say the least I was underwhelmed. The show presented material that was expected to be accepted without question. I bit my tongue and kept my mouth shut after looking at the audience and realizing I'd made a mistake attending expecting to be enlightened. I wrote it off as a well spent $20 to get an education in P.T. Barnum techniques.
Never again. And this does not apply to UFO's, aliens and misc. paranormal events but to many of the more accepted sciences. These lectures, seminars, etc. have squat to do with educating or sharing meaningful knowledge but rather to supplement the incomes of the speakers.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 13th, 2010, 03:48am

Ditto Katt..I went to a paranormal one where they did crap..like..clairvoyance and aura readings..
and the reader asked did someones car brake down or have problems on the way here? lol...200 people...what do you think..
well after suckering a few in for 20 dollars a quick palm read..they gave a number to set up appoints for like 100 dollars for 15 mins..conversation..
Its like that madame Cleo thing before she got took down..
This is not 20 dollars its like 200 plus an doesnt include another 70-80 for food..what the Phi Upsilon kappa.!
Ans what happened to the Mutt and Jeff Pis..Frank and Tomi and Tom again ..are they still alive?

By the way..this global truth here has nothin to do with Levs art. its not a art boot lickin thread..we have one already for that..I like him..I liked his stuff..thats it..
and from what I know of him..in private...he hates that sht.

I enjoyed the hoax ..the people I met...the people it helped expose...like in the flyer above..the fact they all know each other..both sides..and don't say squat..for fear of embarrassing a show partner..tells us the sorry state these people have put phenomenology in..to let lies and liars continue...But their days are dwindling and there are more younger talented people who know how to ask the hard questions...and not soft peddle them..as these Geriatric self proclaimed journalists looking like nursing home rejects do...out of political correctness.. to each other,,
They fell from grace..and can't get up...


The best thing for us..they can do is stay down..

it has been ..is...always will be ....a case of caveat emptor..let the buyer beware..


A happy Fathers Day (next week? let me get a head start..smiley)to all The fathers ....Klat Doc, Horst, Double Katt Marv et al..
continuing the task to be such , even when at times we think those [i]can't be my kids..
Don't worry..just keep feeding them until they look like you..


grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 13th, 2010, 07:54am

Speaking of these organized conferences etc.

I think the Mufon organization itself is a scam. Not that the management sits around thinking how shall we scam the public some more, but that for all their structured organization with volunteers, state directors, assistant directors, and field investigators, what becomes of it?

Just think of this for a minute here is all this effort with the volunteer time and energy of many people throughout the United States and what is accomplished. Oh sure they go out and investigate an incident and then what? It goes into a database and that's basically it. You would think that with all this evidence from so many cases they would use it somehow. They have a bulletin board but youd be hard pressed to tell whether it was a psycho ward community or a bb about UFOs? What ever became of their abduction study? Some suspect nothing and if the results were to be released theyd lose even more membership.

Their international director James Carrion not only resigned his position but then quit Mufon altogether. I think that while there may be a lot of internal debate about why he quit so thoroughly and abruptly, my guess would be that he could finally recognize that Mufon was basically a scam. Although the organization talks about advancing the topic for mankind, other than compile a database that's all they do. It's really a hobby for local people to get involved. And that in itself isn't a bad thing but when they try to make it seem as though they have some grandiose plan and greater purpose and that by joining and with your participation you can make it happen then this is where the scam portion comes in and I think Carrion eventually was able to recognize this.

They fired their Texas staff (and others), and that OMF group seemed to play a role in that. Probably payback for Mufon's drone CGI determination. Their current status as a viable organization seems to be in debate, and their management seems questionable. Too bad, seems like there was potential there to do something creative besides being a great hobby organization.

I wont be going to their show.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 13th, 2010, 2:06pm

Gort..great update on Carrion..I stopped keeping up when he resigned post to become business manager..
I had some serious issues if you recall last year..that material we discused in email..despite answers in past..he went totally blank and silent..I believe you know what the implications were....i am sure enuff was enuff..

And with Texas firings..why like Isaacs case .we may get some great news from disgruntled employees somewhere down the line..at least that will be real ..I think Biedny quit for the same thing too at paracast. sad as I really liked his expose of that fraud that was off on and c2c for last 20 years..never once vetted..(personally i thinkn they did..they didnt care).certainly its not career enhancing unless you tow the party line..

OMF what a bunch of frauds mixed in with a smaller number of the good...The Former certainly willing to collude with sites and share info..to keep the buzz going..even if it meant banning people..jointly with the same websites..that would take a thread by itself..
like Bren said.slowly...catch the monkey........he's being truthful!..catch it as sloooooowly as you can..keep it goin..even if the stretch means stretching a real stretch to infinity..he should know..He and Numbers let the monkey out the cage first at OMF. Probably have barrels of monkeys to unleash..

Perhaps we can create a safe haven for anonymous reporting of hoaxes by people involved..yes..a counterpart DRT for reformed and reborn hoaxter whistleblowers..lol the hits would be great..like getting .. toast buttered on both sides..!
I think we are getting the hang of how this all works quite nicely..

forget the ufo class 101 at the conference..we can offer here some advanced ufo Human Dynamics 402..a thesis even!!shocked
After all..The bucks are in having any PHD or Dr in front of name..even if you don't haven't practiced or have written white papers for 50 years..real life saver..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 13th, 2010, 3:20pm

Speaking of lattitude, I still feel sorry for the guy (not) since his dad was killed at area 51, and he wants to find out the truth? (only vander slup could weave a better storry)

What a joke, and van der slurp now says the girl sliped and hit her head, broke her neck on that tennis racket as she fell. It was all an accident as he told the desk clerk to let his girl sleep.

Lattitude are you still around?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 13th, 2010, 3:48pm

Tennis rackets, banana peels and gloves that don't fit. There is always an explanation that will be accepted. grin

It is a bit embarrassing that the drone saga lives on more by actions of non-believers than the believers. How many actually believe in them? - perhaps a dozen or so? How many think it's bunk? - thousands or more?
Yet - they have impacted the lives of all those who post here, myself included.
It is quite interesting. grin rolleyes tongue embarassed cry cheesy
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 13th, 2010, 5:12pm

on Jun 13th, 2010, 3:48pm, Katterfelto wrote:
Tennis rackets, banana peels and gloves that don't fit. There is always an explanation that will be accepted. grin

It is a bit embarrassing that the drone saga lives on more by actions of non-believers than the believers. How many actually believe in them? - perhaps a dozen or so? How many think it's bunk? - thousands or more?
Yet - they have impacted the lives of all those who post here, myself included.
It is quite interesting. grin rolleyes tongue embarassed cry cheesy



Who is laughing more, Latitude and his buddies at the drt laughing at us or us laughing at them, laughing at us. I guess it doesn't matter all in fun I suppose. grin O and don't forget balloon boy!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 13th, 2010, 5:45pm

for those of you familar with the bradley wiki leaks scandal and the snitch hacker andre Lamo..i believe its no mistake...that ANDRE LAMO is also the anagram for
A NERD LMAO grin fate indeed has a sense of humor

I think Latitude, and the groupies problems do stem from deep seated problems best highlighted by this video.

Katt...you understand well the twists and turns of the mind..
cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 13th, 2010, 8:15pm

I'm really disappointed in Adrian Lamo. He used to be a hero of sorts to me .. not anymore sad
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 13th, 2010, 9:31pm

Imo, He could give two squats what anybody thinks...Heck nobody paid his 6o- thousand dollar fine, monthly probation monitoring fees, and attorneys fees he was up up to his neck in...that is ...until he met the unhappy soldier boy. I am sure he is well on way, if not already...debt free..Especially as same people interested in slamming Wiki leaks..and scaring any potential leakers away..are involved..
So much for safe havens for whistle blowers....and the thought that DRT wanted to proclaim itself a safe haven for witnesses...was laughable if not sad..while parading them at same time..much less vetting them like we did ...Brent Yearout ( as only Sid could remark.Yerr Out!}comes to mind..laugh

Its not a safe haven even for artists right Lev? grin

One good thing the drones were used for also was that student video..with the green filters used from UK..that won the 10k award..the subject was not Et but the incredible incursion of technology into privacy..indeed that was well done.

What can we expect from The whitley Striebers and Howells of the Earth when confronted with the opportunity to get to the truth..and help the public interest?forget drones for a moment..lets try cropcircles
This is what happened to Matt Williams famous Crop Circle maker and researcher..when he told Whitley about one of his guests Glickmann who alleges ET crop Corcle connection..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotcherry/534469557/

"Glickman says that crop circles are extra terrestrial, at the same time believing that he is directly in contact with them and that they are guiding him. Not anyone else mind you, just him! I didnt like the fact that he was going on Whitley Strieber's radio show, putting forward untruths about the crop circle subject to twenty million listeners in the US on a weekly basis. So I thought that it would be a good idea to say to Whitley, "well look, just for your own piece of mind and balance, do you want to know if your honored, prestigious guest is actually wrong? Because I can prove it to you and it would give you a better balance about whats going on." He agreed and asked, how do you think you can show me this? I said, Well the way we always show it. Ill make you a circle, done under real conditions. Ill send you the details beforehand, then you wait for Glickman to make his comments and determinations and if hes telling you its extra terrestrials youll know its not. So we agreed to do that and of course I stressed that he had to keep it secret. So I sent the details of the circle that we were going to make to Whitley Strieber and went down and made it. It was specifically containing a number of elements of design that Mr. Glickman said could not be done by humans. I put them all in this circle! His ears were going to go up on this one! Whitley Strieber gave the details to Michael Glickman and they immediately phoned the authorities. I got the house turned over by the police, looking for evidence of making crop circles. I admitted straight off because I had gone too far in what I was telling the researchers. So when the police said, Did you admit this? I said, Yes."

Williams was convicted of criminal damage, and fined 125. His computer and editing equipment were also taken for examination, leaving him out of business for over six months.

Thats Disappointing

I am sure whitley as a practicing..and from above..very practical..Catholic..merely absolved himself of that little dirty deed by going to his local confessional ..and doing 20 hail mary's and a prayer bead on his Rosary..

This is what the Drone has exposed...and there is more to come yet..as IC says...in his signature..Time moves on.
Like a good laxative..followed by a good irrigation ..it's very therapeutic for the system cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 14th, 2010, 03:27am

I followed Adrian Lamo's misadventures, poetry, philosophy, etc for a long while. The corporate whistleblowing he did was the key that saved him from so much jail time.

Many times companies and governments have sloppy security holes that they need to take account for and fix but never do. They just try to blame others like Lamo who find them. As if Lamo is the threat..

Now that his "career" took its turn into bona fide security testing for corporations he was probably making more salary than the amount he was ever fined.

He compromised something on a global scale to not compromise himself this time. IMO
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 14th, 2010, 07:50am

Thanx for that, , On a scale of 1 to 3 Do you think Linda and Whitley, are very disappointing, 2 mildly disappointing, 3 not disappointing at all?

on Jun 13th, 2010, 9:31pm, Sysconfig wrote:
Imo, He could give two squats what anybody thinks...Heck nobody paid his 6o- thousand dollar fine, monthly probation monitoring fees, and attorneys fees he was up up to his neck in...that is ...until he met the unhappy soldier boy. I am sure he is well on way, if not already...debt free..Especially as same people interested in slamming Wiki leaks..and scaring any potential leakers away..are involved..
So much for safe havens for whistle blowers....and the thought that DRT wanted to proclaim itself a safe haven for witnesses...was laughable if not sad..while parading them at same time..much less vetting them like we did ...Brent Yearout ( as only Sid could remark.Yerr Out!}comes to mind..laugh

Its not a safe haven even for artists right Lev? grin

One good thing the drones were used for also was that student video..with the green filters used from UK..that won the 10k award..the subject was not Et but the incredible incursion of technology into privacy..indeed that was well done.

What can we expect from The whitley Striebers and Howells of the Earth when confronted with the opportunity to get to the truth..and help the public interest?forget drones for a moment..lets try cropcircles
This is what happened to Matt Williams famous Crop Circle maker and researcher..when he told Whitley about one of his guests Glickmann who alleges ET crop Corcle connection..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotcherry/534469557/

"Glickman says that crop circles are extra terrestrial, at the same time believing that he is directly in contact with them and that they are guiding him. Not anyone else mind you, just him! I didnt like the fact that he was going on Whitley Strieber's radio show, putting forward untruths about the crop circle subject to twenty million listeners in the US on a weekly basis. So I thought that it would be a good idea to say to Whitley, "well look, just for your own piece of mind and balance, do you want to know if your honored, prestigious guest is actually wrong? Because I can prove it to you and it would give you a better balance about whats going on." He agreed and asked, how do you think you can show me this? I said, Well the way we always show it. Ill make you a circle, done under real conditions. Ill send you the details beforehand, then you wait for Glickman to make his comments and determinations and if hes telling you its extra terrestrials youll know its not. So we agreed to do that and of course I stressed that he had to keep it secret. So I sent the details of the circle that we were going to make to Whitley Strieber and went down and made it. It was specifically containing a number of elements of design that Mr. Glickman said could not be done by humans. I put them all in this circle! His ears were going to go up on this one! Whitley Strieber gave the details to Michael Glickman and they immediately phoned the authorities. I got the house turned over by the police, looking for evidence of making crop circles. I admitted straight off because I had gone too far in what I was telling the researchers. So when the police said, Did you admit this? I said, Yes."

Williams was convicted of criminal damage, and fined 125. His computer and editing equipment were also taken for examination, leaving him out of business for over six months.

Thats Disappointing

I am sure whitley as a practicing..and from above..very practical..Catholic..merely absolved himself of that little dirty deed by going to his local confessional ..and doing 20 hail mary's and a prayer bead on his Rosary..

This is what the Drone has exposed...and there is more to come yet..as IC says...in his signature..Time moves on.
Like a good laxative..followed by a good irrigation ..it's very therapeutic for the system cool

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 14th, 2010, 07:55am

I wouldn't compromise getting the information and cooperation in the future that may be forthcoming as events unfold by tagging people now unfavorably.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Leibowitz on Jun 14th, 2010, 09:19am

I thought this was about drones and and associated dronies and not about crop circles. But since you brought it up:

Strieber never contacted the authorities, nor was he ever contacted by the authorities, and never turned anything over to them. The only email he received from Williams was a drawing of the design he intended.

Glickman has never said the all crop circles are "extraterrestrial", whatever that means.

Williams went out, on his own accord and without the landowners permission, and attempted to make his design, which by his own admittance took 3 nights.

Glickman turned him in on his own.

So, what we have here is a case of a certain Matthew Williams embellishing his own story to appear more important than he actually is.

What does this have to do with fake drone pictures? Nothing. Only an attempt at pinning some hazy story telling on Strieber, who frankly has little or nothing to do with the subject, other than his statements that he thought they were real, which they aren't.

In summation, on a scale from 1 to 3, do I think _____ is disappointing, 2 mildly disappointing, 3 not disappointing at all, I choose #1.




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 14th, 2010, 11:57am

on Jun 14th, 2010, 07:55am, tomi01uk wrote:
I wouldn't compromise getting the information and cooperation in the future that may be forthcoming as events unfold by tagging people now unfavorably.

Thats what I expected , but certainly barring those unfolding events that may or may not come, you are unable to render any opinion on the as to date on the two most and biggest promoters of the Drone Drama for nearly 3 years ?
And are you implying you have still a direct connection to these same people?
How can being honest have an adverse affect ?

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 14th, 2010, 1:15pm

AFAIK I've never done anything to ruin what connections I have, differing opinions aside. But I try not to be too annoying to key people* wink

* Icarus excluded grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 14th, 2010, 3:32pm

And just as much ,Its also a place like Whitleys forum to be able to manipulate draw ready williing and able attention seeking witnesses to come ...no..jump! like Reyes, and another drone witness, that Linda "interviewed." Lack of witnesses was never a problem or will be for any of their escapades. And like Whitely reneged on the guy above.., and Linda reneged on the photos, Rest assured they would most probably have their mamas thrown in jail before they told a truth that would dispel a money making untruth..analagos here to not speaking except in the most effusive lauding terms about the drone, for fear of losing a perceived chance at an opportunity with the powers trying to keep it alive..








Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jun 14th, 2010, 9:53pm

Witness "Ted," over at 'that other place,' says HE will "try to get an answer" from LMH concerning the original photos she has in her possession and why she didn't release more HI-res scans or something along these lines.

Claims to have a special 'trust' relationship with her...

Boy o Boy, won't be long now!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 14th, 2010, 11:30pm

Klat..I don't bother over there as They're a 2 years late and a dollar short..one can shy a six pack right IC? means nothing..Even The other Tom, Marsave claimed to have said was complete to Linda. yet on on the one sent to OMF..had exif data missing..Odd for a prof videographer and Photographer to do on something so important...dont ya think?.Why he has a special relationship of trust too.. with the PIs.going back years...the same with Whitley and Linda..yes..special indeed..and no surprise here...not even stimulus..itsvso repetitive.. for a lets wait and see..

On special relationships Tomi has one too..wont say a thing to upset them and risk not being part of this...she said so..read above..So does Lev..trust them like family I say..smiley

They all have a special relationship..just can't get their acts together..too late for a comeback Klatt..best look from the Laffin thread balcony upstairs...

All this llama Drama to lead to what..
This is a search thread. not contingent on what they are doing now...let's not make it an advertising thread for them

Even the rabbit could care less about this encore performance ..
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Have a good one! cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 15th, 2010, 1:43pm

@ Icarus, The Raj photo proved to have shadow problems and based on the actual location being found, how do you think that the drone was inserted into the photograph?

What method would have been used do you think, to accomplish such a picture that has this kind of quality with this kind of shading error that was found in it?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 15th, 2010, 3:44pm

Mhm... I'm not Icarus, but I think it was cut and paste.

Or maybe * Duck and cover* wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 15th, 2010, 9:10pm

Tomi, The program I use most often, Cinema 4D, includes a composite module that can do many, many things. This includes dropping in a background and matching the lighting in the background to the model. Most 3D programs can do this now and photoshop is not so important. Composition of model with reality is now perfected. Most likely some method like this was used.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 16th, 2010, 03:27am

I like Sids explanation..
elegance in simplicity....
and you are right IC its so ubiquitous indeed...can you show us how , and you would do a cut and paste to make it seemless like that. Take an alienhead and reconstruct a standing figure on these clothes..keeping shadows s etc all consistent? enough to say is it real or memorex?


User Image terabc123_ru

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make it so it tells us a story to capture the imagination,
I don;t quite have a green thumb for any of this I am sure you know and understand..Call it..Hands across the waters..like in that beatles song..

cheers
smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 16th, 2010, 07:46am

on Jun 15th, 2010, 9:10pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Tomi, The program I use most often, Cinema 4D, includes a composite module that can do many, many things. This includes dropping in a background and matching the lighting in the background to the model. Most 3D programs can do this now and photoshop is not so important. Composition of model with reality is now perfected. Most likely some method like this was used.


In late 2006 what professional program and hardware would have been used do you think? I think this is a conservative estimate of when the work would have been taking place in modifying these pictures.

So.. if I am correct here. You are saying that a photographic image can be scanned into a module and used in a 3D graphics program to then insert a cgi model? And in 2005 to late 2006, the capability of producing the quality we see from that image would have to have been from what kind of set up?

What was the process used do you think, that the drone will appear behind the wires as seen in Raj16?


btw: I watched a few videos on how to use Cinema 4D, specifically paid attn to the one that shows how to make a hand. I am amazed at the ability you have shown.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 16th, 2010, 08:22am

Yes you are a natural ..I was a tad remiss asking you IC to also explain what the UK business in those pix above is about, after you closed the ter photobucket account with your material in it..and it would be great since you couldnt be in Georgia and Uk , or two places at once..how many people were with you on this..(no names of course..unless you want to)..we would appreciate it Thank you.. cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 16th, 2010, 11:16am

on Jun 16th, 2010, 08:43am, tomi01uk wrote:
Sys, if Icarus was in England we would hopefully not be posting on the drones... we might be discussing them over a beer in a pub.

What makes you think Icarus is in England?

Following your lead here ter123abc in England appears to be a nice couple selling cars. Unless you think that the "IC" set this one up wink

http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=ter123abc&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller


You two should just get a room
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 16th, 2010, 11:46am

@First of all I wasn't talking to your face Tommi.. You need to stop being a ****** *** and apologist for LMH whit and the DRT.. Tommi, and stop cutting in on my every post like a troll , or I'll re activate my old drop of oil in water signature..that makes that clearer than anyone can that you have been doing this from the very onset. and very long time..
Let him answer the questions, he has potential answers, you have nothing..these are merely loosends that I would like answers to. You can continue the blathering and fawning all you want but at least stop doing it after my posts. Thank you.

@IC/ If it was one of those rare coincidences IC , of which you say there are none..in this case then, it's is an example of you are wrong..there are coincidences...then why shut down the Photobucket ter123abc account as well as the last Livyatan blog and why is your style of writing so different, a nasty raving rant actually using the usual we back then,, at RU, than the calm and composed and charming style we see here..
Thanx




Mod Edit to remove labelling*

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 16th, 2010, 1:01pm

on Jun 16th, 2010, 12:52pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Excuse me Drdil, I would like some intervention here.

I would like sys to change his extremely rude and course remarks above.

Sys, I do not insult you, attack you, make unsubstanciated remarks about you and I would appreciate the same treatment.

And I do not cut in your every post. It seems the other way around to me.
Thank you.


I vote for Sys
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 16th, 2010, 3:58pm

I lived and worked in England (Beautiful England) in the early eighties. It was a graphic design position, but before true graphic computers were available. The company I worked for had Minor and Major Royalty in it and on occasion I was required to say My Lord or Your Grace. The true owners of the company were and are pure Illuminati. There is no way I could ever mention what they made and make now. I learned a lot from this family and later the American family I worked for. Basically it is true that wealthy families run the world. This knowledge has made me rather pessimistic about the world. I did not start working with computers until about 1985 and then with very early PC programs.

3D Max, Softimage, Truespace, and several others were available in the 2006. Oh yes Maya, etc. Some have also merged. The software just becomes better and better. Blender 3D will soon have a new interface on a very capable FREE program.

As to my writing style, maybe I am just a new devil or maybe the world is as crazy as I believe it to be.
Who knows?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 16th, 2010, 4:30pm

Weve all got along great for quite a while now (publicly on the forum) and suddenly its as if nothing ever changed.

Sys, could you please alter the name-calling/labelling of Tomi in your post. As has been said many times before disagree as much as you like but if you cant do so respectfully, then just dont. And of course by all means ask your penetrative questions but try and do so with a modicum of decorum please.

Icarus youve purposefully side-stepped the question, if you dont want to answer then just state this as obviously you dont have to if you dont want to. This would surely be better than attempting to placate other members with answers to questions that they didnt really ask?

I think the simplest way of phrasing the question is do you (or have you ever) had any association to the eBay account that Sys has posted a screen-capture of?

And Sys, is the link you are alluding to due to the Photobucket account actually hosting the same images as Levs Blog or is due solely to the name of the Photobucket account and the eBay account sharing the same name?

Cheers.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 16th, 2010, 5:53pm

I have no knowledge of any eBay account.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 17th, 2010, 12:17am

Hi Doc, full compliance from me and No it did not have any of levs shots at the ebay..only that the name after using several search engines could not find any other such combination of letters.except to that uk based account , so I can say that it was an odd coincidence to have that name..an it is a coincidence Lev spent some serious time in UK per his prior answer..which differs from an OMF post which he alluded briefly to a visit, as opposed to actually living there for some time..and worked for two companies..one uk another American owned. Long enough to have built of relationships to coordinate the hoax..with known associates from there.
And as he told the folx at RU in between the barrage of salty sailor comments .it was a web game. which I would imagine you need coaches on both sides..not just folx like you, I, horst Double , Gort and the others..


This reminded me of by..it may have been whoopydog or another at that time..at omf that they detected a uk phraseology..consistent with a hypothesis to such..though of course not by a long shot..conclusive..Another coment same thread.. at omf..very earliiest thread..that stated they had seen a uk server..but then on checking someone else pointed out the us server. speculation was rampant..and things moving fast back then..so .I dismissed observation.. but on reflection..

I recall Alienware did something similar with its last almighty power campaign....where the server pointed to the US,,then in less than a day or so..switched to a uk operation..Like Virgils. and the Caret co site comes to mind...as fast as we could pin..they would change..location or the registrations..names..etc...This is more than just one or two people..

One can wage a war..and rule the air..but to win a war you need people on the ground..

Just how many people did you have IC..was it the same number Isaac used in his double speak?

Another thing has always stayed on my ,more often than not , convoluted thinking process..particularly as you recall without clouding unnecesarily what we are discussing..that offer by someone to coordinate a counter attempt at deception. from the uk..which never came to fruition..but laid down a possible framework , a methodology even ,how this could be pulled of between two or more continents..very very easily.

That same thread..also put forth now.. the proposition it was an artist..an artists motive would be the phenomenon itself..however..the same poster stated..and I will retrieve that tomorrow as it in my office..that that idea had problems.the poster said...because LMH , Whitley included.calling them personally credible...stating she spoke to other witnesses.and we know now..she did no such thing..
What the poster didnt fully see . like the victims in the Italian hoax..I posted..back a while ago, that Linda and c2c and whitley are not a problem..they are the main ingredients..Dishonesty and intrigue are on the palette of colors.. it's only through more dishonesty as we see unfolding...that can keep that canvass alive..our reactons and arguing of beliefs or what not..the very real emotions..require they be here to keep the game going..

Our Laughter thread is not what they want Doc..They don't want the giggles and wiggles. because .they want the clash of beliefs..and alternate realities..and in ICs case the right to laugh last themselves..
We are denying them that.
There is a reason they call comic books comic books..So if we are wrong about the artists..then that is the result of overestimating them..when the reality must actually be..its just a bunch of nickle and dime store huxters selling us two left shoes.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 17th, 2010, 09:10am

Awww poor Tomi got upset. Maybe, Tomi, you should have stepped back for a few years and looked at how you have been acting during this entire drone b.s. and you will see that what Sys said wasn't an insult, it was a definition.

If you get upset about how people define you, and your actions, maybe it's time to change.

Oh, and Lev.... the liar...and failed hoaxer.

Lev, you talk as if you have many years of experience with 3D graphics, yet all of your work I have ever seen is complete junk. Then we get Tomi here putting you and your work on a pedestal, telling you how great you are.

I see a type of relationship between you too that goes much further than being complete strangers turned friends.

Yeah, I would put my money on you two being linked in some way.

Of course, Lev the liar will lie, and Tomi will deny. Round n' round you go.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 17th, 2010, 09:36am

Hey Sys,

Do you remember a while ago when Masker33 a.k.a. Icarus signed up with UFOCB and I found his e-mail address?

"rdilla310@yahoo.com"

Then I found the same user name "rilla310" at the Blender website?

Funny he posted a comment here too..

http://www.oscarworld.net/ow.asp?P=79&LobbyId=3439

Seems like he is a movie buff...

He used the name...

R. Dillashaw

hmm, I wonder what the R stands for.




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 17th, 2010, 10:14am

on Jun 17th, 2010, 09:36am, neveleeleven wrote:
He used the name...

R. Dillashaw

hmm, I wonder what the R stands for.


Hi 11,

nice to read you again. And still in rage... wink
It is an open secret, what the R. stands for.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 17th, 2010, 10:20am

Hello, : )

Rage? No, I just type with power so my words move people in such a way that they feel the need to reply in a certain way, with certain emotions, with more information than they themselves can detect. Oh, now you know my secret... lol.

The R. is an open secret? There are no secrets. I know what the R. stands for, I just want to hear it from someone else.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 17th, 2010, 12:46pm

on Jun 17th, 2010, 09:10am, neveleeleven wrote:
Awww poor Tomi got upset. Maybe, Tomi, you should have stepped back for a few years and looked at how you have been acting during this entire drone b.s. and you will see that what Sys said wasn't an insult, it was a definition.

If you get upset about how people define you, and your actions, maybe it's time to change.

Oh, and Lev.... the liar...and failed hoaxer.

Lev, you talk as if you have many years of experience with 3D graphics, yet all of your work I have ever seen is complete junk. Then we get Tomi here putting you and your work on a pedestal, telling you how great you are.

I see a type of relationship between you too that goes much further than being complete strangers turned friends.

Yeah, I would put my money on you two being linked in some way.

Of course, Lev the liar will lie, and Tomi will deny. Round n' round you go.



Ok... Put your work where your mouth is. Let's see your work.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 17th, 2010, 1:05pm

on Jun 17th, 2010, 10:20am, neveleeleven wrote:
Hello, : )
Oh, now you know my secret... lol.


Hehe! I know it since a long time. You are another nice guy, who thinks, he is superior to the others on this planet and simply knows best, how much trouble life gives to him.

R. seems to have reached the point to accept, that he is a fellow between fellows and not a wolf between sheeples here.

Come down to us and I bet, he will give you the answers you need.
I can give you one: Yes, the Alabama drone was his. So you also can call him Mr. Smith.

And indeed: He has a lot of talent. The less his pics are connected to drones, the better they are!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 17th, 2010, 1:06pm

on Jun 17th, 2010, 10:20am, neveleeleven wrote:
Hello, : )

Rage? No, I just type with power so my words move people in such a way that they feel the need to reply in a certain way, with certain emotions, with more information than they themselves can detect. Oh, now you know my secret... lol.

The R. is an open secret? There are no secrets. I know what the R. stands for, I just want to hear it from someone else.


No matter how much you push buttons on people you get nowhere by doing it. It is impossible to solve anything by alienating everyone who may help.

Do you remember way back when Lev was convinced I was Mrs Salad? Read the posts if you don't believe me then explain your theory of our affiliation after that...

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 17th, 2010, 4:00pm

You see, you don't realize it, but, both of your replies give me way more information than you think. It's hidden right in your text, and your chosen words.

Your feeling's, your thought's, your intension's, and a narrow range of plausible sub conscious thoughts pass right through the computer and are on display.

It's much like computers... I send a PING, and you send a PONG back. Sometimes you don't even think twice before you do it. Like a robot.

Probably 99% of the things I have ever typed on the internet are some type of PING. The type of PONGs that return (replies), and their format, and other information like insults, jealousy, sarcasm, etc., are then use to pretty much read the mind of the sender.

As of right now.... Masker33, Icarus, Lev... is a lying, no good, low life scum, who tried to fool you, me, everyone here, and pretty much the world. People like him never change.... nothing he says could ever be trusted.

Sure, let me ask some liar some questions, and take his answers seriously.... LOL

People like him are usually banned from ATS. This forum I guess harbors hoaxers and liars, lets them flourish, etc..

I will show no respect to any liar, or hoaxer, and especially no respect to anyone who respects him, or gives him or his work any type of credit.

He should be tarred and feathered, and kicked out of town.

I don't give a #$%&$% what you think you know about me, or if you judge me by my text. You are nobody. You are animated collections of dust.

I don't even have questions about this stupid drone HOAX. I would however LOVE to out a hoaxer in public.






Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 17th, 2010, 4:16pm

Icarus has me banging my head against a wall often times but he is priceless as well.. IMO
And he has probably forgotten more about art than many have yet to learn... from what I've seen of his work.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 17th, 2010, 5:14pm

Lev(iathan) has been banned, including a couple of derivative screen-names of Leviathan.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 17th, 2010, 6:00pm

on Jun 17th, 2010, 4:00pm, neveleeleven wrote:
People like him are usually banned from ATS.


True. As you were banned even though your expertice was appreciated, but your behaviour failed to follow.

Every time, you lose control, you talk about that Ping and Pong and how you read between the lines. It would be sufficient, if you read the lines themselves.

Forget about your superpowers one moment, take a deep breath, sit down, relax and have a beer with us.

Or at least remember some old anecdotes. Before those "moderators" at OMF threw you out, I warned you. When they did, I came to back you up, knowing, they would ban me, too.

These were the funny times of ping and pong and I enjoyed it.

And I also did not forget, when you pingponged some weird stories into me, because you found my daughter's song. You ARE an expert of 3D graphics, but you are lost in pingpong.

So drop it and be nice...

Ah, I forgot, these words tell you more about me, than you ever will know about yourself. Stupid me!

Anyway... What kind of beer would you like to drink?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 17th, 2010, 6:33pm

So much ado about nothing. My work is simply my work. Of course I was banned here. That is the reason I have to come in this way. I like this place it has become an abode.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 17th, 2010, 7:47pm

As if anyone really cared, I have never been banned at ATS, because I have never posted there. The site is a complex mishmash for me and anything but linear or useful. I was banned at OMF and Thoth or Froth or whatever. Remember a villain is most often a liar and more, but very important to the fun of the story. My friend this entire world and its civilization is a story, a true lie of epic proportions, so enjoy. Oh and of course my art is open to criticism and opinion. What art is not!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 18th, 2010, 05:01am

Villian, demon or whatever, I admire your spirit Icarus..
I admire many others here as well. It is an exceptional group (lol, IMO, to say the least) on both sides of this saga.

Just recently someone on Amkon said it doesn't matter if you are a skeptic, a debunker, a hoaxer or a believer, to the rest of the world we are all ufo nuts.

Men believing themselves to be "superior intellectually" always reminds me of the two deluded characters in the Alfred Hitchcock movie Rope.

This makes interesting reading concerning those two who the movie was based on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 18th, 2010, 11:28am

Sid, you can shove that beer up your rear. I don't like you, or your ACT.

You guys want to talk about superiority?

Then I suggest you clean the rootkits from your computers first.

p.s. don't underestimate my ability to make you underestimate me.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 18th, 2010, 12:17pm

Check out these hoaxes

http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/ufo-hoaxer-tfh-creates-shockingly-realistic-cgi-videos-of-ufos-and-disasters/19518195?ncid=webmail
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 18th, 2010, 1:56pm

One of my messages has been the use of CG images to coerce belief. It will only increase. Seems many do not get this yet. There are wolves in these hills if you care to go there, then go.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 18th, 2010, 2:35pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2UJe_Nc_4k
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 18th, 2010, 3:48pm

on Jun 18th, 2010, 11:28am, neveleeleven wrote:
p.s. don't underestimate my ability to make you underestimate me.


I "missunderestimated" you, I see. wink

But I am not from Belgium:



Seems, we only can have fun here, when everybody has had his/her medicine. Odd reactions sometimes. rolleyes

Edit to add: WTF is ACT?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 18th, 2010, 4:36pm

on Jun 18th, 2010, 1:56pm, Icarus99 wrote:
One of my messages has been the use of CG images to coerce belief. It will only increase. Seems many do not get this yet. There are wolves in these hills if you care to go there, then go.


But that message is not new..its why we chose during wartim especially the hollywood people to make the movies they did with the patriot themes..demonizing of the enemy , make them sub human and easier to rage at and kill..It only demonstrates how herdable people are can be under any circumstance, how we create words to hide the truth and horror of killing..like pacification in vietnam., collateral damage, target acquisition..Propaganda..Its already well known..buttons can be pushed..its a science and an art..It will also be with us..always..But its anyone with belief computer and camera that can pull it to on the internet..thats where this was born..not in LA or Bristol or Berlin.

Will the Drone die.? no.just fade as more hoaxes arrive..always accessible..just like everyones old emails and posts..for decades..until someone with a bent to do so will revive it..and make it fit their viewpoint..
Comedians maintain archives of jokes and punchlines aeons old..even those have their season.and their revival.

It reminds me of the cyrellys (pronounced sir ellis) lady with a background claiming exopolitics mediation..images of hands clasping together..yet shamelessy inserting not mediation but an agressive narrow potically motived platform on OMF..very unalienlike those folx...Initially you came close to that ...but have veered away from that..thankfully..

Like Bigelow building a commeercial spaceport..yet..telling us how dangerous the aliens are..bizarre contradictions..I would think..

Its why scandal sheets thrive in the market..put something that doesn't belong there..be it blur or ceiling fan in mid air..humans gawk..Its why when young people follow this propaganda like heavens gate with the help of the Artbells, LMH and George Noories..cracking their whips..watching the stampede...that unfortunate things happen

Like an image of a cowboy hugging his horse..can easily become an image for something far more sinister....therefore readable and sellable...

So I don't understand why IC you feel this is revelatory..or is there something else that you think needs to be said..?

That wiz of Oz thing looks really good seems to be doing well on that Bollywood site as well as My.SurpriseTV..You should take Sid up on his Offer..
http://www.orientizer.com/0/tag/The%20Wizard%20of%20Oz%20film.html








smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 18th, 2010, 4:50pm

on Jun 18th, 2010, 05:01am, tomi01uk wrote:
Men believing themselves to be "superior intellectually" always reminds me of the two deluded characters in the Alfred Hitchcock movie Rope.


Not too far fetched, tomi,

as far as I watched these games, every hoaxer, little and stupid or great and funny, thinks he is superior to the UFO nuts.
And most of the audience think so, too - believers or skeptics.

You were "outstanding" (Remember, I used that word long time ago joking about your husband "raiding pubs".) because you always looked with an open mouth at everything, but were always ready to believe, that creativity must be alien, because humans can't do that.

Lev and 11 have a lot in common. Both felt superior to all those other nuts. It is irony to see, how Lev tries to communicate with us now, while 11 still does not want to be a primus inter pares in CGI and even not inter pares at all. Although everybody can see, how much he wants to be a part.

An old lady in Jamaica told me "Everybody needs social contacts." It's as simple as that.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 18th, 2010, 5:22pm

Funny the way we all see things differently. Not many people % wise were overcome with the design of those drones. Those of us who became hopelessly intrigued I suppose would probably at a rough guess equal 144000...

That's too many souls to fit into a drone for eons unless we all learn to get along better.. grin

edit to correct number of needed souls.

A quote from our sponsors? wink

"...the technology is bio-mechanical... it is an organic machine...It is the fusion of advanced tech with human computing and soul essence...not just one human, but large amount of human Manna...there are 144 machines within the fleet...many look similar, although most are unique...each machine is made up of 1,000 human essences...equaling 144,000 in all."



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 18th, 2010, 6:26pm

What confuses me is that the Alabama drone seems to be part of this plan..

"The Drone Icon is a metaphor for the concept of a technology controlled by mass telekinesis.the Drone ships seen over Alabama, California and varying other places are part of a psychological training exercise designed to promote a mass harmonization of consciousness, for the reason of manipulating devices created by our (Internal Astronaut) parent group, who must for obvious reasons go unnamed. The Drones that were witnessed were not actually from any tangible dynamic; rather, they were merely the mental projections sent out by those involved. The 'thought waves' of individuals who have already been indoctrinated (though most are completely unaware of the fact) are picked up and amplified by the (parent) group's harmonic defragmenters. "

Now, I'm just concerned that our Icarus may not be aware of this .. shocked rolleyes
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 18th, 2010, 6:36pm

Obviously we are all indoctrinated, picked up and amplified. undecided
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 18th, 2010, 9:38pm

Yes, yes, yes, but do not be concerned about me. I still have an agenda as do we all. For a moment, brief, I thought of speaking of CG and style, but thought better of it. It is better to let sleeping dogs lie and sleeping critics criticize. The best course for now.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 19th, 2010, 04:44am

Now this thing has got me wondering if a soul has mass and looking for answers.. rolleyes

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091115040223AAVkdZ0

Who comes up with stuff like this! huh

Yeah I suppose 1000 souls could fit on a drone but who would want to do that? With this crowd ? For eons ?
You gotta be kidding me! grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 19th, 2010, 07:50am

on Jun 18th, 2010, 5:22pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Funny the way we all see things differently. Not many people % wise were overcome with the design of those drones. Those of us who became hopelessly intrigued I suppose would probably at a rough guess equal 144000...

That's too many souls to fit into a drone for eons unless we all learn to get along better.. grin

edit to correct number of needed souls.

A quote from our sponsors? wink

"...the technology is bio-mechanical... it is an organic machine...It is the fusion of advanced tech with human computing and soul essence...not just one human, but large amount of human Manna...there are 144 machines within the fleet...many look similar, although most are unique...each machine is made up of 1,000 human essences...equaling 144,000 in all."

Hi Tomi,

Do you not think that the 144,000 thing is just an allusion to the Book of Revelation (New Testament) where its referenced two or three times? Or at least that was the inspiration?

on Jun 19th, 2010, 04:44am, tomi01uk wrote:
Now this thing has got me wondering if a soul has mass and looking for answers.. rolleyes

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091115040223AAVkdZ0


The 21 grams thing is just an urban legend Tomi as only one of the six patients displayed this weight-change and most of the others fluctuated wildly, plus the precise time of death has never been firmly established today never mind back in 1907 (and of course what kind of death).

All of which are essential parameters that must be defined in order for the experiment to carry any weight (pun intended!! grin)


Cheers. wink

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 19th, 2010, 3:13pm

That TV series hit on the same thing about 1400 or something similiar.. 144 drones... here now as well..

Words like "extraction" or "harvest" come to mind...

Like how are they gonna harvest the manna... and keep our sense of humor? Cuss we are going to need it..

I can see it now..... One drone gets 1000 followers of RU another gets 1000 OM'ers, here comes the DRT 1000 and there goes Witney Steibers 1000 over there... Aspergers has its own drone and the UCB's drone has just been hijacked by 11 and sys wink ... Battlestar Galatica has never seen such action...

And very few women! Because of the stupid decisions made by bureaucracy... Calling women by their birthdate.. Hello..!?? rolleyes

edit to add: I suppose there will have to be a French drone and a German drone, and a British drone.. maybe an Italian drone as well.. What will sidd do??

Drone Heaven:
The police are British
The cooks are French
The engineers are German
The administrators are Swiss
The lovers are Italian
Drone Hell:
The police are German
The cooks are British
The engineers are Italian
The administrators are French
The lovers are Swiss
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 19th, 2010, 4:04pm

I will cook for you and you will have to decide, whether it's heaven or hell. And I will offer you a beer. German beer is the best of this world. Don't know, if heaven or hell have better ones.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 19th, 2010, 6:46pm

Hi Sid, I can offer this old US of A beer:

http://www.mcsorleysnewyork.com/

Only one beer, light or dark. Followed by crackers, cheese, raw onion and hot mustard. smiley

An unrelated question/observation to toss out while we wait for enlightenment - why is the inventory picture in pacl-q385-inventory-review-fullsize.jpg half toned?
It's appears a scan of of a printed image. Why not a scan of the original photo?
Just something that has bugged me. grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 20th, 2010, 03:48am

I've oft wondered about that too..Just like American Shirley with the cheers in her email....and Isaac with the At university..but here we can explain..Its a fact that after 20 years in some attic or hidden away from prying eyes by Isaac..There was one thing he could not prevent..the toll of time..and its ravages..surely we can attribute that discoloration to.aging. temperature, humidity,..even those that were closest to his crack in the seat of pants.....where the story belonged to begin with..(was there a hiddden message there too?)Iin fact we can use this as an indicator..though not conclusive..mind you..that the documents may very well be real..only taken as such by a few of the most enlightened dim wits here.

That buggy feeling Katt..is perfectly natural under the circumstances..
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The documents are infested with paper mites..or worse..on the documents Isaas had yet to release..we may find the above..pest.


I have no doubt he will release more via whatever new name he assumes..or proxy he uses..but thankfully ..common sense will prevail to stop whatever infestation the originals had..But if you keep downloading these images ..they will spread just like cockroaches..however..shine a little light on them and they scatter in a dozen or more directions..
Perhaps that more than God syndrome is appropro here..
Yes a clash of egos..but it took Nevs type to drill and cut to the chase..irrespective of how we lwe felt of the tactic..Newtonian socio-physics I would describe it..We are beholding to him, it was a dirty job..someone has to do it..
And for every nut iwith a keyboard..there are just as many sound people, more at last count.. I think..that can counter these attempts..so no..mankind is not lost..nature does see to it that there is usually someone with his head above the water line..fo

While for a second it seemed like everyone was singing go tell it on the mountain..I take or more mundane approach..Nev like really..


Just stand back on the next one get a good aim.with a size 12..and in the tradition of "to thine own self be true" step on it.

Let it go.it will breed...and it may ..no will come back to bite you..in Legions..that's their business..
On a more pleasant note
Happy Fathers day !!..whether you find yourself alone or with loved ones..make the best of it..and hope our children can think for themselves..and never fall for these types hoaxes...except in fairy tales...and beautiful tales and yarns...some of them had disturbing origins in fact and rumor too..but..they evolved and harmlessly distilled for childrens use.. Maybe be that will happen with this..since we see get more laughter than anything from it. and pick a gazillion parts to start from like a leggo set. Thats fun.

Something to look back at.yes .and keep moving on.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 21st, 2010, 10:07pm

And now they land in cottonwood trees. So the saga does continue as I seem to remember being said some time ago.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 22nd, 2010, 02:08am

on Jun 21st, 2010, 10:07pm, Icarus99 wrote:
And now they land in cottonwood trees. So the saga does continue as I seem to remember being said some time ago.


Someone you know? wink


Icarus please help me figure this out...

"There are 144 ancient technological devices that are in varying quadrants around the world
(IASR, and other affiliates have located several, one has been well documented in Antarctica.
You're a clever girl, do some research on the subject and you will find out for yourself)."



edit to add comment: OH WOW... just looked at the images you added..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 23rd, 2010, 4:45pm

I think I have been a little naughty, maybe even devilish. You see I posted on the DRT and mentioned the Alabama coincidence (Teddy). I also mentioned a true incident (more MIB than UFO) I sent to LMH. Got the usual abuse on this. I must have rhino skin by now. I just could not let the cottonwood and Alabama stuff go by. The Drones landing and hiding in trees. LOL
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 23rd, 2010, 5:16pm

We are a forgiving people IC ..St Henry would be be pleased beyond the Big O..and then some..he would..(if I may say be so cavalier as to presume)..say to you....perforate them into oblivion.!! Perforate their unscrupulous behinds lad!!.Tangle up their puppet strings of images and stories they have distorted to push the illumminati agenda..Why even Mothman be rollin' his eyes and beatin' his self silly with his own wings over that stuff..Remove the false idols and images like the Big Boss told ye..We got the real scoop son..
Yes..m'thinks he would mate..
Let us sing and rejoice on your errand of mercy...and on your safe return from Xanadu..

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and make merry children..!

wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 23rd, 2010, 5:31pm

Icarus, was a mirror involved with the technique used on the Alabama - that other place - drone?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:01pm

No mirror, so here we go:
1. A picture was taken of the pole and wire against the bright and even blue GA sky.
2. A simple drone model was constructed and placed in this picture ( the program allows for a background photo).
3. Now the blue sky was dropped out and the two images were combined with the drone and sky image behind the first image. The two images due to there placement became a composite with the wires appearing to cross in front of the drone. The Georgia blue sky was a great help.

At no time was photoshop used because the 3D program had more than enough built in to accomplish the effect. Believe me these programs have grown far beyond this and so have I.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:16pm

Yeah, you have made a big step today. Maybe too.. you put your talents into solving this with us now?? And what about that bb drone? There is much to figure out..... and btw... congrats wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:53pm

Of all the drones the Big Basin Drone defies CG the most in my opinion. I suppose it could be done, but the desire to include such detail would border on the fanatical and talented. It really is very different from the others. Were the other drones created to divert attention from it! Was it done to confuse the whole issue. This drone (fake or not) is the DRONE. It really seems to be about its business whatever that is. It is either very old or made to appear very old. Take a simple look at the current CG on the cinema screens, I just do not see its like. It has a certain feeling about it. Fake, probably, but why so unnecessarily good!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:54pm

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:01pm, Icarus99 wrote:
No mirror, so here we go:

Thank you. smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Jebus on Jun 23rd, 2010, 8:24pm

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:53pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Of all the drones the Big Basin Drone defies CG the most in my opinion. I suppose it could be done, but the desire to include such detail would border on the fanatical and talented. It really is very different from the others. Were the other drones created to divert attention from it! Was it done to confuse the whole issue. This drone (fake or not) is the DRONE. It really seems to be about its business whatever that is. It is either very old or made to appear very old. Take a simple look at the current CG on the cinema screens, I just do not see its like. It has a certain feeling about it. Fake, probably, but why so unnecessarily good!


Why is it so good? Are you saying this Big Basin Drone is the real deal?

Wow, that sure sounds great! Then it's all reAL

i have been playing this game for some time, looks like your blog pictures http://www.mystworlds.com/us/
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 23rd, 2010, 8:42pm

I do not know if the BB Drone is real or fake. I know it is very good in what it does and that is for a ridiculous object to appear plausible. In the recent CG movies you have seen did most things appear plausible! They did not to me. They were good and entertaining, but hard for me to integrate into reality without a suspension of disbelief. I do not find this so with the BB Drone. Some of the other drones, I do. As I have said from the beginning, it looks like it means business and it looks like it has been around a long time. It could very well and probably is a nice fake, but still it bothers me. At least it is by far my favorite and if fake, what a fake!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Jebus on Jun 23rd, 2010, 8:55pm

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 8:42pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I do not know if the BB Drone is real or fake. I know it is very good in what it does and that is for a ridiculous object to appear plausible. In the recent CG movies you have seen did most things appear plausible! They did not to me. They were good and entertaining, but hard for me to integrate into reality without a suspension of disbelief. I do not find this so with the BB Drone. Some of the other drones, I do. As I have said from the beginning, it looks like it means business and it looks like it has been around a long time. It could very well and probably is a nice fake, but still it bothers me. At least it is by far my favorite and if fake, what a fake!


thanks i just hoped you knew more i am sorry if i bothert you asking just wondered as your pictures looked like the game
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Jebus on Jun 23rd, 2010, 9:49pm

how do you think its possible that the drones are real ans how do you know if they are not fake just wonderin sysconfig how do you know al this? are they fake
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 23rd, 2010, 10:00pm

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 8:42pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I do not know if the BB Drone is real or fake. I know it is very good in what it does and that is for a ridiculous object to appear plausible. In the recent CG movies you have seen did most things appear plausible! They did not to me. They were good and entertaining, but hard for me to integrate into reality without a suspension of disbelief. I do not find this so with the BB Drone. Some of the other drones, I do. As I have said from the beginning, it looks like it means business and it looks like it has been around a long time. It could very well and probably is a nice fake, but still it bothers me. At least it is by far my favorite and if fake, what a fake!


Candid assessment..but whats the mystery..thats the goal of every writer of fiction. to make the story as real as possible..and its no less for movie..or videos..take the hoaxer artist Thierry Speth..of the Apollo hoax..a great photgrapher..paid attention in an above average manner..because he knew there would be above average viewer not willing to suspend that element of disbelief..production sets conduct extensive research.. and retain professional consultants..in the subject matter..

But here is a voice from the past that gave his opinion...who has direct experience with craft of all types..the only credentialed one out of all the experts..and what he said
From: Arthur A. Reyes, Ph.D.,
Information and Computer Science

Subject: "Isaac" is credible & his "language" merits research.
Date: July 6, 2007
To: earthfiles@earthfiles.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

I read all the content at Isaac's website carefully. I share with you
some of my thoughts about it, especially the "language": I feel Isaac's
diagrammatic notation is more important than any other aspect of his
website or this emerging story.



Emphasis added..remaining in context..




Yes Isaac sounded credible..believable..but we know in this business that can be big stretch from truthful..And for a specialist of Reyes stature to be concerned with the notations..which..we now were directed at the esoteric..with crop circle and mandalic connections.. and what not..he stopped..He was speaking on his own personal feelings..about the lettering and not the craft which would..something which actually should have been reversed..this in an almost dismissive manner..the craft...its realism not even mentioend..would have had some priority..he went on afterwards to compare Isaacs words to Ray Kurzweill...and the "Singularity"..

Arthurs..Vitae for prospective I wanna believe newcomers to the game..

A Little About Me

I have served as a senior lecturer or assistant professor in the
department of Computer Science & Engineering at the University of Texas
at Arlington continuously since 1999. I earned a Ph.D. in Information &
Computer Science from the University of California at Irvine (UCI) in
1999 and a Bachelor of Science degree in Aerospace Engineering from
Polytechnic University in 1987. I worked as an engineer on the B-2
bomber for Northrop in Pico Rivera (Los Angeles) from 1987 to 1992. In
graduate school I researched tools & methods for software engineering,
including programming languages, expert systems, & various diagrammatic
notations. I now teach senior & first-year graduate courses in
software engineering, advise undergraduate students regarding their
academic progress each term, and help direct the university's Autonomous
Vehicles Laboratory.

My following comments do not represent the University of Texas-Arlington, but are my personal observations based on a long-time engineering and computer science career.



Like meeting a blind date..not to your liking..and commenting only.. err..nice dress..or visiting an art museum..and speaking not about the works ..but the frames around the painting..is their a subliminal message here? It certainly seems to scream out out to me..

To merely say say, i don't know, can't tell.. and oh..but what a fake! Is commendable..but....it's more a compliment to the other artist than any help to a truth seeker..and gives that ray hope..the dangling carrot...something I am sure you don't want..I would surmise that Reyes is more telling than that enthusiastic compliment is.. cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by skytiger on Jun 23rd, 2010, 11:37pm

ill admit, when i had first seen the drone pics. i thought they were real, i looked at them for HOURS trying to see any flaws. and i still only have seen one, so im still some what wondering ya know. but i noticed this a long time ago and emailed it to a photo pro... guy lol. and he couldnt tell me what it was or what was causing the flair. and i dont know if any one else has noticed it, if so then sorry for bringing it up again. but if not, can any of you figure this one out?
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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 24th, 2010, 12:50am

go to ufo-blogs dronehoax.com or omfs expert thread..where those that knew better than you and I ..what made these pix phony..even with LMH witholding 11 pix..even with DRT refusal to send it to University people ..ask them why not..they blow over you..period..independent no axe to grind assessment..that could tell even from a scan..like lindas..all it took was the one....no need to rehash..the work was done..
Read Torvals..Marvins..a host of people..other side had nothing. except to their credit..a actual model that disproved their case..if we suspended disbelief..we also suspended the burden of proof..that was theirs....they could provide nothing..to this day..except..a parade of witnesses proved liars..to hope its real..and or perhaps some sinister gubbamint'hand did it....all speculation..go look at the work that was done..
Somebody wants more buzz..then ask why wasn't that done by Linda ..Drt..and company..in fact..Whitley told a Star Tor a friend and website owner....who pointed out fake early..she pleaded with whitley..and he claimed to have had analysis done..all we get now from him..is his ..Recant..from 2008..
who says s like IC..well..if it was a dream..it was a lulu of a dream..

For those religiously inclined..this as if Jesus were to say.. to the Romans just before getting nailed.. " Err..Would you believe Prince of the Jews?
again..they leave themselves a back door..admit nothing..leaving opening to keep blowing smoke up our collective a$$e$..<<Its how they make their Living!!and how they keep their sites thriving..
Its disingenuous..its subterfuge..plain dishonest with all thats been said and done..and its the real agenda..make no mistake about that..you decide...just make it an informed decision..if you really want to know..


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by skytiger on Jun 24th, 2010, 01:57am

umm, thats umm.... well said? and all. but it dosent answer my question. if this pic is a fake, them is that a blunt smudge, if the pic is real, is it maybe a second object, running ground work for the first. see this is my problem, there's no honest answer to rather these pics are real or someones fansey photoshopin.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 24th, 2010, 02:04am

well..3 years with the money they had to send it to a lab..I even pointed one to them that would do it for 5k .I corresponded..and they backed off...and dropped the subject....I'm sure they could tell..may not you nor I..I don't claim to be an expert..I already said..Go to droanhoax.com..and if pix was real!..who said it was real..where is the beef..I'm not going down the prim rose path of logical/illogical conondrums..when you have the biggger picture of all these actors and admitted hoaxters already before you.
They read this site..they read ATS..they Know of Docs impecccable record..Those people hated the word expert..but thats what independent bodies are for from the beginning..not the end....Thats a question should be asked them..Their members are here too..let them answer.
come on..like was said at another site once..lets get this thread numbers up..I'm ready to rock and roll wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 24th, 2010, 03:20am

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 11:37pm, skytiger wrote:
ill admit, when i had first seen the drone pics. i thought they were real, i looked at them for HOURS trying to see any flaws. and i still only have seen one, so im still some what wondering ya know. but i noticed this a long time ago and emailed it to a photo pro... guy lol. and he couldnt tell me what it was or what was causing the flair. and i dont know if any one else has noticed it, if so then sorry for bringing it up again. but if not, can any of you figure this one out?
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Can you repost this picture? skytiger. It doesn't show now. Thanks.

Sys there was not a money tree financing the investigation, there were many experts that looked at the pictures. Many many experts. Many different opinions. Even police forensic experts examined the pictures. I even sent them to Lucas Studios. I have always had two other places I would like to send these pictures, but the cost would have been a fortune unless I could convince them to do it as an excercise of study. If I had time I would dig up now who these institutions are.

But what can they tell us?
If they are fake and how they perceive it was done.

Well we know that one (the Raj pictures) were engineered. But our own resources are what we have now to figure out this riddle. We are all collectively in time capable possibly of figuring this out......
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 24th, 2010, 03:24am

Icarus, I have to bite the bullet and ask you, what is for me, the most important question right now..
To what degree do you estimate the IA has had a part in this saga?

And I so agree with you Icarus "but why so unnecessarily good!" You said a mouthful there about the whole slew of material put out and that is what has kept everyone hooked. Could this be the answer? And why? What was or is the agenda?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jun 24th, 2010, 07:04am

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:53pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Of all the drones the Big Basin Drone defies CG the most in my opinion. I suppose it could be done, but the desire to include such detail would border on the fanatical and talented. It really is very different from the others. Were the other drones created to divert attention from it! Was it done to confuse the whole issue. This drone (fake or not) is the DRONE. It really seems to be about its business whatever that is. It is either very old or made to appear very old. Take a simple look at the current CG on the cinema screens, I just do not see its like. It has a certain feeling about it. Fake, probably, but why so unnecessarily good!



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You are working hard to make a sale here IC.

Why would a CGI artist work so hard to point out the greatness of a CGI photo? Hmm.......


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 24th, 2010, 3:17pm

Yes I agree Marv ..brings to mind the saying..the face only a mother could love. The only other person amplifying that is Tommi...with the pix of craft had Character statement..Just like Lev sets it apart from others as too good..
They (DRT)paid the PIs tens of thousands..hired with Tomis direct assistance..Tomi..the direct hotline to LMH..Tomi ..who wouldn't take notes ..during this investigation and research..but keeps emails..but has to look for them somewhere..Tomi.in her own words said husband is a software developer one day and a war craft loving cop raiding pubs another day..She owns a business one day..and we know we cant find it anywhere..a legitimate business would post itself..How the heck they stay in business..just word of mouth? Buzz?
Tomi..who protected numbers..a proven liar..
Tomi who told me Tom left to find new love..but Tom says had a death in Family..to account for the long absence....Dig that PM up Tomi!
Tomi who ran from Arc member to Arc member saying LMH had something that would knock our quote "socks off"..Mur can confirm this..
2 years is one hell of a long fuse..don't ya think? My socks can literally stand up by themselves now they're so toasty...

Tomi who said I ruined everything for them at Omf and the investigation..because she cracked out of turn..we now its just a game plan..not an investigation they were doing..
Tomi..imo a proven liar, a fabricator. who's only agenda is to keep the useless banter going..maybe they can make some big conspiracy ala Henry Makow ..Lev would love that..LMH would love that..DRT would love that
To get the TV coverage and news play..costs thousands..yet it was done as a favor for two flat foot PIs , who for the most kind thing I will say is don't know their ass from their elbows as far as this matter goes....culling old favors ..BS!...had they sent what any reasonable person would have done before PIs were hired..none of us would be here today..Clear what she did then..and clear what she is doing now..
So now we have these two ying-yanging the art beyond the pale as works of genius..I know you said we are amplified..but..isn't that pumping up the volume a tad too high?..Its going to take a lot more yodeling than that for a crowd to gather..

Yes why is that Bubba'?

cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by blackwater on Jun 24th, 2010, 4:24pm

on Jun 24th, 2010, 03:20am, tomi01uk wrote:
there were many experts that looked at the pictures. Many many experts. Many different opinions.


LOL
Don't you mean the So-called "Experts"?
Some gave opinions, some did not, but all were mocked at the DRT forum.

http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?board=21

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 24th, 2010, 4:31pm

on Jun 24th, 2010, 07:04am, Marvin wrote:
Why would a CGI artist work so hard to point out the greatness of a CGI photo? Hmm.......


on Jun 24th, 2010, 3:17pm, Sysconfig wrote:
Yes I agree Marv ..brings to mind the saying..the face only a mother could love. The only other person amplifying that is Tommi..


Marv, Sys, you two are very intelligent men. Good job for not letting this slip through the cracks.

It's been obvious since day one that Tomi and Lev have done nothing but support this hoax, and try their best to make it last as long as they can.

Lev himself is GUILTY and was CAUGHT RED HANDED continuing this hoax by making fake drone photos, and admitted to it. HELLO!? ANYONE THERE?

Lev himself IS A PART OF THE HOAX. Officially involved or not... it doesn't matter. Lev IS one of the drone hoaxers in the flesh.

So yes, congratulations people. We caught one of the hoaxers... LEV. He is doing a great job covering for the rest of the drone hoaxers, and at the same time still complimenting their work in our faces!

Who knows, he probably is in contact with the rest of the drone hoaxers too. All you know is what that lying scumbag tells you, and you trust his word! Huge mistake.

As for Tomi, she seems to be in the middle of EVERYTHING drone related. Her fingerprints are just, all over the place. She invested a lot in this... till this day she is still investing...

Don't let the delay of action fool you, the time will come when the hoaxers are behind bars.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 24th, 2010, 5:09pm

Sys why don't you lay off the bullying without any rhyme or reason.
tomi this, tomi that.... I'm researching this saga because I'm interested in it. As simple as that. If you can't perceive that over all this period of time.....

Try to give the people who have "invested" their time into researching this case the same respect you would like to have given to you.

Nobody is taking the time to list the mistakes you have made in this.. why should you put so much effort into listing the mistakes of everyone else? That is not productive. Everyone contributes to helping solve this thing or diffusing the tension except a few here. It is not helping the case. It is working against progress.

oh and that litany of things you have accused me of are skewed, distorted and based on wild assumptions.. as usual.. sorry couldn't help throwing one back at ya cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 24th, 2010, 5:34pm

Mhm, It's not as intersting right now as other things. But everytime I take a look, I need some popcorn.

Don't feel disturbed by my remark. Feel free to continue. I think, it was about bars and mentioning the only lady again and again...

*Salty Popcorn and Reissdorf*
(Reissdorf was a hint for everybody, who does not know, which beer to order.)

Edit: Funny how I always forget that second "e" in "interesting". May it find it's way back home by itself. Time to let go that little rascal. cry
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 24th, 2010, 8:05pm

on Jun 24th, 2010, 5:09pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Sys why don't you lay off the bullying without any rhyme or reason.
tomi this, tomi that.... I'm researching this saga because I'm interested in it. As simple as that. If you can't perceive that over all this period of time.....

Try to give the people who have "invested" their time into researching this case the same respect you would like to have given to you.

Nobody is taking the time to list the mistakes you have made in this.. why should you put so much effort into listing the mistakes of everyone else? That is not productive. Everyone contributes to helping solve this thing or diffusing the tension except a few here. It is not helping the case. It is working against progress.

oh and that litany of things you have accused me of are skewed, distorted and based on wild assumptions.. as usual.. sorry couldn't help throwing one back at ya cool


Seems like your not solving anything, just promoting.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 24th, 2010, 9:27pm

If the shoe fits wear it..everything I stated about the Pms and your blunder at omf with Mars Ave..is accurate..in fact..every member of the ARC..has copies of the Pms you sent me..covering numbers..covering Mars covering your hysterical pleas to say to the public it really wasn't your fault you mis spoke and let Toms cat out the bag.that He and the PIs knew each other..but it was Tomi..and included my responses..It was a fatal mistake Tomi..
We shared and were doing research and could assess the weight of anything we came across..They know Tomi..They know..everyone here knows..


Going down a list of suspects..and hitting a dead end is simple legwork..and you just have just one less place to go back to..What is to be ashamed about in that respect..Tommi...what investigative methodology did you use..and just how can you DRT and the PIs investigate themselves?

I was pursuing suspects while you were playing interference and damage control at omf in the pix analysis..I was chasing Lev long before you..before I even knew anyone here. I'm ecstatic Sidd followed more thouroghly..because it vindicates me..and my wild accusations..
To this day you do the same under the guise of interest.. good guise..as you and the DRT..Do have have an interest in salvaging this shambles of the greatest mystery of all time as you all seem to think or want it to be... with you as its greatest groupie..

Wild accusations?..hardly..its on the record..any loose ends here its you Tomi..
As for Lev..we can forgive..but we never forget..


Pass the popcorn someone..I did get a taste for that and the ale Sidd..such is the power of suggestion..doesn't take much when it comes to good snacks.. cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 24th, 2010, 10:41pm

The BB Drone is my personal favorite real or not. It is an image and anything else said has no basis in any facts I know of. It is just a good image and one I am envious of. No one can restart this saga and few would want to.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2010, 03:02am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCdmsyZQY9I&feature=player_embedded

Sidd did you make that?

Sidd I guess you are friends with Lev?

How long have you known each other? It seems like you are really good friends seeing how a few posts ago you were sticking up for him when I talked down on him, and you even promote his work, and link to his blog and all...


Ignoring my posts, and not directly commenting to what I say is actually what I want, so you don't have to answer. That is why I kept telling you all about the" ping and pong". I wanted to see who would be the first to ignore me.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2010, 03:47am

Just throwing this out there.....

Sys, I noticed a few posts ago you mentioned something about Lev being in the UK. Instantly, Tomi came to his rescue and said if he was in the UK they would be having a beer together. Then Lev goes and says he lived in England in the 80's....

Anyway.... I thought this was interesting....

This YouTube account named "Icarus99" says "Location: United Kingdom".

http://www.youtube.com/user/icarus99

This account named "Icarus99" was having trouble with his laptop when running "graphics intensive" software... Location? Halesowen - UK

http://club.vaio.sony.com.tr/clubvaio/tr/tr/forum/printthread;jsessionid=20000018C43914C3EA94ADE2E02A3B69.adi-gallia?thread=54843

Claims to be a "IT Chief Architect/ CTO", and even took a trip to Spain for the holiday...

http://club.vaio.sony.co.uk/clubvaio/pl/pl/pro/forum/viewthread;jsessionid=4B15A522C30D92C647E8031FD66BED7E?thread=62725

Little trouble understanding memory:

http://club.vaio.sony.ru/clubvaio/sk/en/forum/printthread;jsessionid=DA966C099F168D523EB1B4303E40EBE7?thread=62867

Funny coincidence huh?

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2010, 04:01am

One more question for Sidd,

How long have you an Lev/Icarus known each others full names?

You do have "Robert", "Bob", "Dillashaw", on your video tags:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCdmsyZQY9I&feature=player_embedded

Tags:
judy garland wizard of oz lion tinman scarecrow yellow brick road somewhere over the rainbow drone california caret isaac leviathan paul louis pauly robert bob dillashaw cgi musical ufocasebook


I guess you all know each other very well behind the scenes?


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2010, 05:12am

on Jun 25th, 2010, 03:47am, neveleeleven wrote:
Just throwing this out there.....

Anyway.... I thought this was interesting....

This YouTube account named "Icarus99" says "Location: United Kingdom".

http://www.youtube.com/user/icarus99

This account named "Icarus99" was having trouble with his laptop when running "graphics intensive" software... Location? Halesowen - UK




OH Geeze I love it grin
Could this possibly be my partner or does it sound exactly like our Lev ? Just brilliant deducting 1111, astounding!

(it's not easy being green is it 1111? ... Now come here you cute little toady....) wink grin grin Let's listen to some Kenny Rogers together... rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes tongue I'll even fix your computer for you...... wink grin grin

Profile
Name:Kermit the FrogChannel
Views:747Total
Upload Views:2,536
Joined:April 16, 2006
Last Sign In:1 month ago
Subscribers:1
About Me: I'm a small green frog that discovered the bright lights of Hollywood in the late 70's. Country:United Kingdom
Hobbies:Singing, dancing, traveling
Movies:The Frogfather, Frogman IV:The Quest for Peace and Frog Wars
Music:John Denver, Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2010, 06:34am

on Jun 24th, 2010, 9:27pm, Sysconfig wrote:
If the shoe fits wear it..everything I stated about the Pms and your blunder at omf with Mars Ave..is accurate..in fact..every member of the ARC..has copies of the Pms you sent me..covering numbers..covering Mars covering your hysterical pleas to say to the public it really wasn't your fault you mis spoke and let Toms cat out the bag.that He and the PIs knew each other..but it was Tomi..and included my responses..It was a fatal mistake Tomi..
We shared and were doing research and could assess the weight of anything we came across..They know Tomi..They know..everyone here knows..


Seems like the only person who doesn't know is you wink Sys.. What ever trouble you are trying to regurgitate was long ago established to be more of your spin. I tried to keep you from posting personal identities you discovered on your own and ended up catching fleas because I was emailing a snake.... Well regurgitating your old stuff is just plain boring now and expected since you haven't anything new that is verifiable to add to case. Your motivations are so transparent for your own personal complexities that it destroys any credibility you have. But aside from what I've said, I'm not going to sink to your level in my response. Nobody wants to post what is verified and known about you. I suggest you show the same respect to everyone researching this case. Verify then post or post to verify not accuse... it will help this case immensely.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2010, 06:58am

on Jun 25th, 2010, 05:12am, tomi01uk wrote:
OH Geeze I love it grin
Could this possibly be my partner or does it sound exactly like our Lev ? Just brilliant deducting 1111, astounding!


Tomi, are you really that f'in stupid? Seriously..

Do you personally know Lev? If you don't then why do you believe what he says? Why do you defend him? How do you know he isn't completely lying to you?

Please do tell...

Also,

Please tell me, what are the odds of someone using the name Icarus99? Please do give me the mathematical probability.

Then, please tell me, what are the odds that THREE different people all with the name Icarus99 did, or do, live in the UK?

Also, are you trying to debunk what I displayed simply because it has stupid comments about frogs? You are willing to totally ignore the fact the name says Icarus99, and is from the UK, because it says things about frogs?

Honestly, I think Lev suffers from schizophrenia, so yes, that b.s. about frogs fits right in.... seems like something someone like him would write for giggles.

Oh Tomi, why, out of your 1000's of posts do you not have ANYTHING helpful in any way? You are useless... I can't think of one thing you did to help solve what you claim to be after.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2010, 07:14am

on Jun 25th, 2010, 06:58am, neveleeleven wrote:
Please tell me, what are the odds of someone using the name Icarus99? Please do give me the mathematical probability.

Then, please tell me, what are the odds that THREE different people all with the name Icarus99 did, or do, live in the UK?



Guess I'll really have to help then,.. ribbit .. ribbit..

Here is a big clue:

"Icarus99"

Advanced search
About 9,020 results (0.34 seconds)

I've heard of toads spawning... but this is ribbit ribbit
grin grin grin


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2010, 08:44am

Wow Tomi, your ignorance is off the charts.

I'm glad you did a simple Google search, and gave the match count. It shows how little you know about what you are actually doing at any given moment in time. Are you about ready to join a retirement home yet? It sure seems like it.

Little did you know that more than 2/3s of the 9000 matches that your pathetic search turned up are duplicate entires caused by websites that show up multiple times for each language they display.

B.t.w. how may of those matches shows any sign of being from the UKhuh

Your idiotic attempt at defending your idiot friend is completely hilarious. Your intentions are...shocking...

Lev is a suspect to me.... I am looking for clues that link him to other things, and people..... the smallest clues that show even the slightest coincidence are important. WHAT THE F ARE YOU DOING, BESIDES TRYING TO DERAIL ME?

You fail Tomi... complete fail. I ask for probability, and you give me an index search count. LOL... fail....

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 25th, 2010, 10:13am

. ribbit .. ribbit..

@ Tommi , aside from evasion or avoidance and minimalization of the obvious and outright lying..Thats the most intelligent thing you've actually said in three years and tells me you are making progress too..Cheers

@IC..My Lon Chaney of ufology...Thank you for the clarification..words are important..they have power..and their presence or lack thereof can have implications if misunderstood..
I may create a separate thread for the Mothman myth art..I ran across a fashion show using him as the theme..quite nice.I'll post it directly. I think you'll like it..
@Nev I'll update you shortly in pm...and agreed: FAIL

In Peace


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2010, 10:15am

on Jun 25th, 2010, 08:44am, neveleeleven wrote:
Wow Tomi, your ignorance is off the charts.

I'm glad you did a simple Google search, and gave the match count. It shows how little you know about what you are actually doing at any given moment in time. Are you about ready to join a retirement home yet? It sure seems like it.

Little did you know that more than 2/3s of the 9000 matches that your pathetic search turned up are duplicate entires caused by websites that show up multiple times for each language they display.

B.t.w. how may of those matches shows any sign of being from the UKhuh

Your idiotic attempt at defending your idiot friend is completely hilarious. Your intentions are...shocking...

Lev is a suspect to me.... I am looking for clues that link him to other things, and people..... the smallest clues that show even the slightest coincidence are important. WHAT THE F ARE YOU DOING, BESIDES TRYING TO DERAIL ME?

You fail Tomi... complete fail. I ask for probability, and you give me an index search count. LOL... fail....


Your answer was so predictable tadpole....

I was really setting you up with a ping pong. wink

Yet you didn't even realise it.. You just showed me your ignorance and orientation.... Arrogance and ignorance because you believe 9k web results consists of mirrored sites and golly gee.... why would you be after an Icarus99 in England of all places?

I know why.... It's not because he might be connected to me... You are just jealous of his talent, intellect and
I will leave the rest of it for you to discover on page 11.. Appropriately enough grin http://tiny.cc/l00f6

What a guy our Icarus99.... although I think the one we know is not the one you have your heart set out on.. wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 25th, 2010, 10:30am

[quote author=tomi01uk link=board=drone&num=1267035327&start=421#28 date=1277478951]

Your answer was so predictable tadpole....

I was really setting you up with a ping pong. wink

Err..did that come from your job description.? It certainly describes what you have been doing all along here..lol..a parody was done about that ...over a thousand hits (downloads)by the way..Its your trademark..without (I must humbly admit).equal
On a reconstructive (sic) note..l..what else is new Tommi ..do you have any ideas of your own, something we can sink our teeth into (no pun intended) and merits investigation..a second look even..I know with all that reservation you must be bursting at the seams with something, fingers itching at the keyboard ready to go into hyperdrive...give it your best shot!

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2010, 10:59am

Ahh sys... tbh I never knew the true definition of ping pong till 1111...... such a cute name for such a juvenile game.. I'm just throwing it back, that's all. Hopefully he will realise... here in old England they call it "winding someone up".

One thousand downloads? YGTBKM.. wow.. grin
Those were the days eh? wink

On a reconstructive (sic) note I have two areas of this case I am researching.. and with a lot on my plate now I can wait for a more opportune time to ask Icarus some questions relating to one of my areas of research. You go ahead. Sigh.. I've waited long enough, I can wait some more.......


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 25th, 2010, 11:04am

Tomi off stage..yes..I must agree..those were the dayz..missed greatly..I think..after all is said and done..everyone here will miss each other....The Good..the Bad..and the Ugly..
If there was content delivery to be picked ..The essence of this story.was us..

^i^/

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2010, 11:20am

Gort accused me of having my fingerprints all over this case. It's not my finger prints, I've just tried to research this case from all sides of the fence. I have chosen two aspects of this case to chase up.

There are so many aspects of this case to still investigate, but two I know the most background about and that is more than enough for me right now. I also like to have the help of others to check my progress, to keep me grounded and verify. I'm also willing to help others when they need it with their research, if called upon.

All anyone needs to do here is grab an aspect, dig into it and have others help verify then add to the big patchwork quilt that is being made of figuring out this case. It is a mega thing to figure out and everyone is grateful when someone adds a bit more of the picture to it. IMO
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2010, 11:46am

on Jun 25th, 2010, 03:02am, neveleeleven wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCdmsyZQY9I&feature=player_embedded

Sidd did you make that?


Yes, sure I did. Nice piece, ain't it?

Quote:
Sidd I guess you are friends with Lev?


I guess so, too. At least on the internet.

Quote:
How long have you known each other?



Well, maybe I can surprise you both with that. George Dykes sr. was born around 1700 in Alexandra, Virginia. He later landed in North Carolina. His son William (sr.) married twice. From his first marriage with Susannah Everett, his son was born about 1750 in South Carolina. He married Mary Bryan and had a son James Rily, who was married to Tabitha, who's maiden name is not know. In 1798 their son Jacob H. was born in Barnwell District, SC in 1798. He married Catherine Bryan in Pulaski County, Georgia and stayed there. In 1821 their son James W. was born, who married Elizabeth Ann Mullis in 1860. In the same year their son Francis Marion, called Melly, was born. In 1880 he married Arandia Eugenia Perry, who's son was born in 1896. His name was Robert Emmett Dykes and he married Lilly Mae Carden in 1919 in Bleckley County. He is Icarus' grandpa, and his daughter married the son of William Emory Dillashaw and Tommie Christian. - Hum... Feel, as if I know them for centuries.

Quote:
It seems like you are really good friends seeing how a few posts ago you were sticking up for him when I talked down on him, and you even promote his work, and link to his blog and all...


I don't like, when people talk down on others. And yes I linked to his blog, that's called "giving credit" - stupidly I had not saved it correctly at the end of the video, so it is only black.


Quote:
Ignoring my posts, and not directly commenting to what I say is actually what I want, so you don't have to answer. That is why I kept telling you all about the" ping and pong". I wanted to see who would be the first to ignore me.


So I hope, I don't confuse your pingpong by answering.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2010, 11:59am

on Jun 25th, 2010, 04:01am, neveleeleven wrote:
One more question for Sidd,

How long have you an Lev/Icarus known each others full names?


I guess, he knew mine, since I asked Dil to put my real name on the "Psychology of a hoax"-text. I had knowledge of his name for some time, but since I had lost interest back then, I never looked into it. For some reason I did a few month ago.

Quote:
You do have "Robert", "Bob", "Dillashaw", on your video tags:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCdmsyZQY9I&feature=player_embedded

Tags:
judy garland wizard of oz lion tinman scarecrow yellow brick road somewhere over the rainbow drone california caret isaac leviathan paul louis pauly robert bob dillashaw cgi musical ufocasebook


Yes. I am of the opinion, he should not use his art for playing games in the disguise of a devil. He should sign it with his name. I am sure, people soon will be looking for it. Congratulations to you, since you were the first I know of.

Quote:
I guess you all know each other very well behind the scenes?


I guess, I even know you behind the scene very well. wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jun 25th, 2010, 12:52pm

on Jun 24th, 2010, 10:41pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The BB Drone is my personal favorite real or not. It is an image and anything else said has no basis in any facts I know of. It is just a good image and one I am envious of. No one can restart this saga and few would want to.


Which of the BB Drones are your favorite (there is more than one)?


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 25th, 2010, 1:07pm

The one that was in the largest image shown.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jun 25th, 2010, 2:52pm

on Jun 25th, 2010, 1:07pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The one that was in the largest image shown.



I assume that was the Ty sighting:


User Image

or the Stephen sighting:

User Image


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2010, 3:39pm

I think the TY images are a joke...

With a solid white sky any CGI noob can composite something into the image and it will come out decent.

Actually, some of Chads images, some of Stephans images, and the TY images ALL show the SAME signs of the creator taking advantage of the solid background in order to make his life easier during creation.

The only thing even remotely interesting is the stupid design of the drone. However, any kid with a few spare hours can create something better if not more interesting by just playing with primitive shapes.

Upon looking at Icarus' work, I can easily describe it as an over use of primitive shapes bunched together to create something stupid looking. I think Icarus and the drone hoaxer(s) have something in common, and it is hidden right there in the design of it all.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2010, 3:44pm

on Jun 25th, 2010, 10:59am, tomi01uk wrote:
Ahh sys... tbh I never knew the true definition of ping pong till 1111......

here in old England they call it "winding someone up".


Wow I feel so sorry for you. I think Ive asked this before... How on Earth do you survive while being so dumb?

The ping pong effect I was talking about has nothing to do with "winding someone up". Your total lack of reading comprehension is just mind boggling.

How old did you say you were?

Sometimes it seems you are in your 60's, slowly aging, maybe a little alzheimers kicking in.. but other times it seems like you are not even 12. I really don't understand how you survive... you must be leaching off of someone, that is the only plausible explanation.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2010, 4:21pm

Yeah ? Well your total comprehension and maturity is certainly nothing to brag about.. How old are you? 28?
You've got a lot to learn.. rolleyes
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 25th, 2010, 4:25pm

It's enough now, eleven. If you only came here to provoke and attack then you are not wanted any more.

You are good in finding wrong shadows, but now you are only chasing wrong shadows. All you said about Icarus seems to be true for yourself.

Go and take a cool bath and then come back, if you think, you are sober!

Your comments are appreciated, but please remember your talents and knowledge and don't try to be an expert in things, you don't know anything about.

And I can tell you, you know nothing about ping and pong, as you like to boast. And you even know less about humans.
You know a lot about images and shadows. Talk about this, before you try to talk about anything else. Then you are the heroe, you think to be.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by blackwater on Jun 25th, 2010, 4:52pm

on Jun 25th, 2010, 06:58am, neveleeleven wrote:
Honestly, I think Lev suffers from schizophrenia, so yes, that b.s. about frogs fits right in.... seems like something someone like him would write for giggles.


Possibly, but I don't think someone who writes comments like these-

Quote:
Security on Earth is a delusion of a primitive mind with a few tricks from me. Your end individually comes and your collective end comes. Party on, by all means. I am your receiver and I have come to collect the bill. What here, of any worth, will miss you and your kind? Nothing, nothing at all.

I A M T H E D E V I L


Quote:
We will be with you and feed from you until the end of the age and beyond.

Get used to it.

D E V I L


Quote:
Too funny. I am satisfied with the state of this site. Evil is ensconced here now.

D E V I L I N T H E M E M O R Y


wastes their time watching Britain's Got Talent on youtube. cheesy
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by blackwater on Jun 25th, 2010, 5:01pm

Tomi here's a little something for your investigation

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/fig/0490250207001.png

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=875091&show=html



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2010, 5:11pm

on Jun 25th, 2010, 5:01pm, blackwater wrote:
Tomi here's a little something for your investigation

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/fig/0490250207001.png

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=875091&show=html




Thanks Blackwater smiley
This is something that has always kept me wondering.. this photo was released around the same time the other drone sightings took place..

User Image

User Image

It would be interesting to know more about these pictures now.. me thinking..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2010, 5:28pm

Using the search terms National museum naval aviation + entomopter is bringing up a load of interesting insights about the CIA's "dragonfly drone" concept that goes back to the 80's. A lot of work has been done already it seems that the photo of that flying dragonfly could actually be real..

And there could be connections to this case somewhere there..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2010, 5:46pm

on Jun 25th, 2010, 4:25pm, SiddReader wrote:
And I can tell you, you know nothing about ping and pong, as you like to boast. And you even know less about humans.


Sidd, STFU.

You don't even know who I am, let alone what I know, or what my reasons for my comments are.

I successfully mined data many many times in this topic, and you don't even know it. You failed at understanding even 1/16th of what I am doing.

Get it through your thick empty skull. I don't know you or anyone here, I don't trust you or anyone here. I have my own reasons for doing what I am doing, and it is FAR beyond what you can even fathom. Obviously.

If you seriously think my only knowledge is with graphics, you are a lost fool.

Do me a favor, and STFU, and mind your own business. If you don't like me or what I am doing, then close your eyes...... oh wait... your eyes have been closed all along.



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jun 25th, 2010, 5:52pm

OMG!

I believe we found our FIRST INTERNAL ASTRONAUT!

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 25th, 2010, 6:08pm

Just so I know who is on what side...

Who here trust Tomi?

Who here trusts Lev/Icarus/Masker?

Who here trusts Sidd?

I don't trust any of them... Tomi is a clueless troll with her nose in everything. Lev is a lying scumbag who is horrible at hiding. And Sidd is just a mindless fool that doesn't even know what is happening right now, and thinks he is a psychologist.

I don't care if any of you have anything to do with the drone hoax, in fact, I don't even care about the drone hoax, and I haven't cared since I debunked it 3 years ago.

The only thing I am doing now, is making sure Tomi and Lev and anyone who defends them are known, their addresses known, their names known... So the next time a stupid HOAX like this pops up, I can totally discredit everything they say and prove they are 100% useless, which they have proven since day one.

So, yeah, you better believe I have a list of people who doubted me in the beginning of this mess. A list of people who told me I was wrong about the sun direction and angle and tried and failed to win the debate with me, only to later have them eat their words and look like complete fools.

I can't believe worthless pieces of garbage who don't even know the basics of light are actually trying to tell me I don't know something.... LOL... Sidd, Tomi, you both fail.

Now go be amazed and confused by flashing lights and sounds children.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 25th, 2010, 6:15pm

I like 1111. We need more of he/she\'s kind. I will continue with my agenda so why should 1111 not do the same.

Mavin, I can not see both your images, but I liked the one, as I remember, hi-res image released.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 25th, 2010, 7:48pm

I've been away from home for a few days and upon my return a forum member (who doesnt/hasnt posted on the Drone debacle) PMd me about this thread (again).

But apart from -perhaps- the scumbag part of Nevs last post then I see nothing wrong here, granted it's not an ideal dynamic but these threads have always been lively on every forum they graced so why should this one be any different? (You dont have to like one another and you certainly dont have to pretend to).

Tomi, I know you arent going to like this and while you*may* have been correct in what you posted about Sys, I *know* Sys was correct regarding you and the ARC thing.

And Tomi you know I harbour no ill-feelings toward you (or any member) but I also agree with his accusations regarding your posting style back in the day, i.e. being wilfully nave at best and intentionally obstructive at worst.

As much as it may pain you to admit it, you didnt have any time or patience for anyone who didnt agree that there was more to the Drones than a mere internet hoax, and if memory serves me correctly then you also didnt attempt to contact any of us until you were unceremoniously ejected from the core of the DRT.

I know your reasoning behind this and how you stated that the DRT should at least listen to both sides, so I ask you to do the same.

Because if you see it from both sides you can't help but realise that the first most of us knew of your situation was when you told us which was also after it occurred.

Im not necessarily saying that I dont believe you, but I will say that at one point you have berated and ridiculed every member who now posts here on the Drone threads (myself included).

However I will also say that you got as good as you gave/gave as good as you got (whatever!! grin) but that is hardly the point and of course justifies neither side (again myself included), I guess my point is that while we all can be (at times) antagonistic to those who have differing beliefs the recent dialogue here is built on foundations that were laid back in 2007. So whilst the -now almost completed structure- perhaps doesnt look like you thought/hoped it would, it is what it is and in my honest opinion is no more or no less than to be expected considering the heated debate, circumstances and division which surrounded us all when these foundations were laid.

I will however say to all that this is a family friendly forum and respectfully ask all to keep that in mind when posting, so could you please edit the URL of the spoof Google link you posted Tomi, either change it to linked text, a Tiny URL or remove it completely.


Many Thanks & Cheers.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 25th, 2010, 7:49pm

on Jun 25th, 2010, 6:15pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I like 1111. We need more of he/she\'s kind.


Yeah, me too. Once you aquire a taste for it, I know what you mean..

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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 25th, 2010, 8:04pm




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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 26th, 2010, 03:12am

I apologize DrDil, and others...

Sorry to say but some of you are on the receiving end of a few experiments I have been doing, so my posting style may seem........ crazy.

Nothing is as it seems, just remember that.

smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 26th, 2010, 05:02am

on Jun 25th, 2010, 4:52pm, blackwater wrote:
Possibly, but I don't think someone who writes comments like these-







wastes their time watching Britain's Got Talent on youtube. cheesy


Yes Blackwater..I saw that too ..and was trying to connect it with the other UK "anomalies" being that IC said he had been in UK and spennt more than an insignificant time there working..then that would seem to mean ..if I can take a frogs leap (pun intended) he was there until very recently..at least by the time his comment was published.

Does that play in or aired on cable there in Georgia?
But why not lets ask?..Exactly When did you get baclk from UK Sir Robert?




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 26th, 2010, 05:06am

on Jun 25th, 2010, 4:52pm, blackwater wrote:
Possibly, but I don't think someone who writes comments like these-







wastes their time watching Britain's Got Talent on youtube. cheesy


Yes Blackwater..I saw that too .on a website..other than .was it only youtube? I was trying to connect it with the other UK "anomalies" being that IC said he had been in UK and spent more than an insignificant time there working..then that would seem to mean ..if I can take a frogs leap (pun intended) he was there until very recently..at least by the time his comment was published.

Does that play in or aired on cable there in Georgia?
But why not lets ask?..Exactly When did you get back from UK IC?
Being that the area you reside in has lots of kin and friend that have lived their for years..I noted a Tyler B..that lives there..any relationship..just so I can scratch some things off my list if necessary..





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 26th, 2010, 05:18am

Well DrDil, it's a little hard for me to read those words but I do appreciate your reasoning and your feelings.

Looking back from my own perspective it is different from what you said though. There were dynamics going on back then that took over the saga. No one person could be responsible or take responsibility for all that over-whelming intensity over everyone's conflicting opinions at the time.

Was I naive or intentionally obstructive in my own mind? No. In others minds.. probably. But from my own POV I had opinions only, not an agenda to obstruct. Those opinions I had about the case shifted over time.

It's not that I saw "the light"... and joined the other side, over time I just grew appreciative of some other's insights who were on the "other side". This made me think that this case looked that complex, that in order to solve it, a lot of the thinking from both sides of the spectrum was needed.

So.. you say that it wasn't until after I left DRT that I contacted everyone. Well... some had contacted me way before then. To my credit (I think) I tried to be friendly and give credit to what they were saying or asking but I also had the DRT forums work to protect.

Terrible being on the side that doesn't know what is going on regarding a matter we are all so emotionally vested in as a hobby. Esp when resources seem to be abundant in there and outside the realm of reason for everyone else. Understood and I wear the tee-shirt now for that. But those dynamics as well as the arguments concerning the case were well outside of my control. Any one persons control. It was what it was.

Like Kris, I ended up giving my full identity and personal information to those in a position like yourself to verify me. Even so, others wanted to make me the target of derision because of the frustrating circumstances of this case possibly.

Others were not satisfied I was simply trying to research this case with no more vested interest than they themselves have experienced it, as an obsessive unhealthy hobby...... and because the internet fosters suspicions not easily put to rest, some here are still not convinced that I had nothing to do with the genesis of this saga.

While trying to dodge accusations and suspicions, I did all I could to continue to research this case. It is invaluable, the time we all have invested in knowing this saga and working it out. Both sides.

At a point where I wanted to give up, someone said to me we are like one big dysfunctional family, would hate to lose you. It keeps me going..

As a female I'm sure my thinking is different in ways I can't perceive from the guys here. I hardly call that an advantage, but it does isolate me a little from what I perceive as a lot of residual hurt feelings and anger that still remains on both sides from back then.

Maybe it is a female trait to not have to be the victor and to have to learn to have a short memory for the sake of the relationship or the cause.. I certainly have shed my share of tears from this saga..

Helping to solve this case is my focus, not who is or was right. I think the broad spectrum we have collectively will be necessary to fathom this thing...

I've learned a great deal from this saga and the people in it and its venues. I want to say I am quite fond of many out there on both sides and I will continue to do what I can to help solve it. How it may be perceived though is outside my control.

The Incident at HQ DRT audio spoof is an example of something completely misinterpreted yet it is funnier than hell.. thankfully we all have a sense of humor..

My apologies to anyone on either end of this spectrum for anything I've said that was hurtful or harmful along the way.




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 26th, 2010, 06:31am

Hi Tomi,

I agree about you being the most approachable DRT member and Im not really saying any actions were intentional and it certainly wasnt a one-way street as I was (at least!!) as guilty as anyone but, its all water under the bridge now.. smiley

You know Ive spoke up on your behalf on several occasions and would do again if I thought you were being treated unfairly. And also whilst it may reflect badly on me I used to somewhat enjoy our OMF food-fights back in the halcyon days (and I still look back on them fondly!! kiss)


Cheers. wink

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 26th, 2010, 09:56am

I'm just trying to get some perspective, or add some perspective, moving back, out, trying to get a grasp on the big picture. First assumption is that most want "disclosure". In other words an admission by the government or some private organization that UFOs are real and are either from another world or another dimension. Or conversely fake or something else.

At the time of the drone introduction 2007 or early 2008, (not that it really matters anymore) this could have been either a significant path to disclosure or a significant hindrance.

Since then it's become obvious that it is just a hoax. But more significantly in the ensuing few years what has become even more apparent is that it doesn't even matter anymore.

I thought (and most mistakenly) that with the Internet and the greater flow of information, disclosure would be more likely. Little did I know how wrong I was. The assumption may have been valid but totally erroneous.

What is it about this topic that attracts hoaxers and crazy people? Everybody seems to have a story or an agenda. It's not enough that someone tell us how stupid we are they actually want to do a CGI video to prove it. Okay we get it.

This particular hoax might have been noteworthy at the time but now it just fades into obscurity amongst all the other hoaxes and agendas, and contactees.

Those who think we've been on a path to disclosure are sadly mistaken because of the trail that we were on has now opened up into an open field full of hoaxers, agendas, and crazy people, the internet.

We could have an alien hybrid for a president and everybody would be so focused on their own personal agendas no one would notice. Talk about hiding in plain site.


The relevance of the drones has long since faded into the background. Today's CGI coupled with people's personal agendas, coupled with all the crazies out there makes it impossible to discern fake from real, another strand of wheat in a wheat field, reality from fantasy. In other words it's all become blurred. And the drones are just among the first of computer age CGI to attract attention, but now just a merge into one big blur. Irrelevant when looking at the vast field in the clearing before us. Just look at all thoes utube videos, some every bit as worthy as the drones, and the various web stories, every bit as convincing as embeded self actuating symbolic code. Carrion is off on his government conspiracy black ops website. Mufon is babysitting for wackos. Everybody has a website and an agenda. Like a little snake crawling through the vast expanse of a field, a wiggly trickle of truth which no one will ever notice or find.

Check this out I think it pretty much sums up the current situation.


Chris Rutkowski

The demise of ufology

http://www.uforum.blogspot.com/

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 26th, 2010, 10:46am

I sense your frustration and your disgust maybe at the way things have turned out from that perspective.

I've been thinking from a different perspective though. I know nobody believes it, but I have been subscribed to ufo-updates for ages, long before the drone drama and long before I looked at forums for information.

I watched everyone there for years complain how little attention or regard the media gave this subject. The public ridiculed and the media ignored.

Now it is fashionable both in the media and a little bit out in the public to have an interest in this subject. A lot has changed for the better from the way I see it.

Disclosure has happened for those who want to know I think. The confirming documents from top sources, people like astronauts and top scientists. But only to those who invest the time to find out.

When people say they want disclosure are they saying they want vindication for all the years of belief or reseach? For many out there, even if the POTUS came out and made a speech about it, there would be disbelief. Maybe a natural conditioning is occuring just because of the means we have at this time with the internet, the media's exploitation of it and so many convienent cameras and cams these days? Maybe everything is just as it should be. And what one group in this world would actually have the answers the public would expect? Is there such a group?

If Bigelow is still monitoring the Skinwalker ranch or his scientists can still not make sense out of that data, then maybe we are a very long way from having any answers. Like a universal theory of everything ..

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 26th, 2010, 11:40am

Well from my perspective disclosure is not so much whether they are real or not but rather from what planet, or dimension, or time. I've had two very convincing episodes.

One theory that sticks with me and I cannot tell you where I read it or learned of it but that government is aware and knows that the aliens don't really care about us, nor would they engage us in any manner. So the point of disclosure would probably have more negatives than positives and from what I've seen on the Internet this is probably a certainty.


Now this does not take into account alien abduction but I'm not really sure how much that fits anyway.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 26th, 2010, 11:54am

"Like Kris, I ended up giving my full identity and personal information to those in a position like yourself to verify me"

Well..Thats not quite totally true tomi..
the information you provided them to verify was totally useless..in fact..made you no more
verifiable than being on the mailing list at ufo update where you appear only once in re that Turkish ufo in 2007 where you actually were skeptical..
Unlike this case where you demonstrated unwavering deference to the believer side..somehow..the objectivety in regards to possible helium baloons...went out
..not tr4ying to be facetious...out the window and with the helium baloons you mentioned in that case.
The registry at ATS in 2004 with your current nick ..not posting till long after that..when the drones surfaced..
Its no mystery to me that in any o..private..commercial..government..etc..a ground has to be laid..pointing here there everywhere..anywhere....but the truth..
As people will perform superficial checks..That certa

Other than that I don't see this LONG history you want us to think..

WE HAVE THAT INFO TOO Tomi..The Tolerance of Dr. Dil..is perhaps greater than Jobs..(I do thank you Doc..sincerely..you are wise beyond your years)....as we are getting closer to the truth..of which you desiring to be at center stage..will no doubt make you part of the answer.integral or not..


You appear nowhere else in your real name .not even your nome de plume..with a computer business ..which would be trying to get itself known in other circles ..on the internet period...as you stated in your Dossier...I believe Didier appears on there that case too..as Didier..and of course his anti American -CiaJihads elsewhere and everywhere for Disclosure..

As Tomiuk01 or other variant..so at leat in the moment of mea culpa..be accurate and not misleading or misdirective..



http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bJGfIJz6lUQJ:ufoupdateslist.com/2007/jan/m30-006.shtml+karn+narsiff%3Dellis+ufo+updates&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a


Lets remember this is about deception..manipulation of beliefs and images..and .words...and whatever combination
is necessary to get the job done..


Just in case we forget..shades of OMF..and here..


Yes Blackwater..I saw that too .on a website..other than .was it only youtube? I was trying to connect it with the other UK "anomalies" being that IC said he had been in UK and spent more than an insignificant time there working..then that would seem to mean ..if I can take a frogs leap (pun intended) he was there until very recently..at least by the time his comment was published.

Does that play in or aired on cable there in Georgia?
But why not lets ask?..Exactly When did you get back from UK IC?
Being that the area you reside in has lots of kin and friend that have lived their for years..I noted a Tyler B.. and CH Dillashaw..that live in the area....any relationshi and or Transposition of lettering ?
..you know how I am about anagrams and transpositions.?
..just so I can scratch some things off my list if necessary..as we ease on ease on down the road smiley

@ Gort..Remebr that website done by the same people that did the Caret..at the same time..and suddenly dropped it..they put a date of 2004 on their key post explanation..of may 2004..then poof as someone at another website pointed that out..the thrust being exopolitical in nature....I think we all remember that...and..hope I do not have to repost it..
I'm going to a barbecue and have to go now..

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 26th, 2010, 12:02pm

I've never seen a ufo but had a strange event in the late 80's. Nothing since, except I developed this interest in the subject. Hmmm

Now I see what you have written sys and funny enough, after I posted that about a year later, I emailed Errol and asked him if somehow my name could be deleted. That is how green I was...
but yes that was my only post and I've probably been on that list since its it's early beginnings because I used uni servers and bbs before then when I wanted to try to keep up on the subject. No biggie.

My computer support business has grown by referrals and because I subcontract to do work for bigger companies. But I do have a dire need to get my a** in gear and get those business cards etc done... since I've got a brilliant logo to use now. But anytime DrDil wants to call my land line number, he can listen to my answering machine, I trust he would not share my personal details.
I will even give him some client references np.

edit to add.. second thoughts prevailed.. knowing this crowd.. out of self preservation deleted earlier edit to add.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 26th, 2010, 12:03pm

on Jun 26th, 2010, 11:54am, Sysconfig wrote:
"Like Kris, I ended up giving my full identity and personal information to those in a position like yourself to verify me"

@ Tomi Well..Thats not quite totally true tomi..
the information you provided them to verify was totally useless..in fact..made you no more
verifiable than being on the mailing list at ufo update where you appear only once in re that Turkish ufo in 2007 where you actually were skeptical..
Unlike this case where you demonstrated unwavering deference to the believer side..somehow..the objectivety in regards to possible helium baloons...went out
..not trying to be facetious...out the window and with the helium balloons you mentioned in that case.
The registry at ATS in 2004 with your current nick ..not posting till long after that..when the drones surfaced..
Its no mystery to me that in any o..private..commercial..government..etc..a ground has to be laid..pointing here there everywhere..anywhere....but the truth..
As people will perform superficial checks..That certa

Other than that I don't see this LONG history you want us to think..

WE HAVE THAT INFO TOO Tomi..The Tolerance of Dr. Dil..is perhaps greater than Jobs..(I do thank you Doc..sincerely..you are wise beyond your years)....as we are getting closer to the truth..of which you desiring to be at center stage..will no doubt make you part of the answer.integral or not..


You appear nowhere else in your real name (barring years pre 2000old info old non computer business ).not even your nome de plume..with a computer business ...testimonials and contact numbers...which any legit business would be trying to get itself known in other circles ..on the internet period...as you stated in your Dossier...I believe Didier appears on there that case too..as Didier..and of course his anti American -Cia Jihads elsewhere and everywhere for Disclosure..

As Tomiuk01 or other variant..so at leat in the moment of mea culpa..be accurate and not misleading or mis-directive..
But at least allow IC to answer the question i asked the last page..



http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bJGfIJz6lUQJ:ufoupdateslist.com/2007/jan/m30-006.shtml+karn+narsiff%3Dellis+ufo+updates&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a


Lets remember this is about deception..manipulation of beliefs and images..and .words...and FEELINGs..and whatever combination
is necessary to get the job done..


Just in case we forget..shades of OMF..and here..


@ IC ..Yes Blackwater..I saw that too .on a website..other than .was it only youtube? I was trying to connect it with the other UK "anomalies" being that IC said he had been in UK and spent more than an insignificant time there working..then that would seem to mean ..if I can take a frogs leap (pun intended) he was there until very recently..at least by the time his comment was published.

1ADoes that play in or aired on cable there in Georgia?
But why not lets ask?..Exactly When did you get back from UK IC?
1B (smileyBeing that the area you reside in has lots of kin and friends that have lived their for years..I noted a Tyler B.. and CH Dillashaw..that live in the area....any relationship and or Transposition of lettering ?
..you know how I am about anagrams and transpositions.
..just so I can scratch some things off my list if necessary..as we ease on ease on down the road smiley

@ Gort..Remember that website done by the same people that did the Caret..at the same time..and suddenly dropped it..they put a date of 2004 on their key post explanation..of may 2004..then poof as someone at another website pointed that out..the thrust being exopolitical in nature....I think we all remember that...and..hope I do not have to repost it..
I'm going to my granins ' barbecue and have to go now..no patience there..!!
shocked
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2010, 12:17pm

on Jun 26th, 2010, 03:12am, neveleeleven wrote:
I apologize DrDil, and others...

Sorry to say but some of you are on the receiving end of a few experiments I have been doing, so my posting style may seem........ crazy.

Nothing is as it seems, just remember that.

smiley


I have read and heard better excuses, but - of course - you are welcome.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jun 26th, 2010, 12:43pm

Sys, boy time flies when youre having fun!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 26th, 2010, 1:14pm

Just as I've never posted anyones personal details, I would really appreciate the same consideration. There is nothing worse than being compromised that way, esp being a woman. It's not safe and its not necessary anyway. None of these questions are. Ask drdil about the email list sys, I've forwarded something to him.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 26th, 2010, 1:30pm

I didn't here a word of protest when mine was pastered all over the internet by Didier. where was your conscience then? Its ok to have someone else thru a telescope..but not ok to turn it around I see....or to give it to mailing lists..but..not ok to post mailing lists reference here..

Well if you can't take the heat..get out the kitchen....you set the fires...Your email is on on an OMF subscriber list appearing on an email Mur sent me..as well as Ufo update..and like I said..it leads to baloney..with big gaps in it. You raised the personal sacrifice of disclosing personal info..Yet..nothing there as you claimed..of substance..Your real name is not the issue..what you are doing and claim to be doing is You say such is fraught with danger..but you converse and share info with Lev..allegedly..schizophrenic..subject to rage fits..your kindred spirit.. no nothing of the sort..fearless like Shirley..I should have more to fear than you..Bubba loves up the street statewise from me..so does Shad and Gort..lLoL shocked or one you claim as in depth involvement.Do you have anything that would indicate othere wise or was it just another of a long series of untruths. which like blankets as profusely like green in Splendor of the grass..
and your last post does then contradict that long and implied vigorous involvement..Ill be happy to delete that if you still want though I don't think ufo updates would.
I think I made the point..that anything you say has to be taken with a grain of salt and not to be trusted..even though you are a fun loving nice lady, who doesn't care who is right or wrong..much less accurate..lest its us..but just keeping the intrigue..no..chatter.. up..

On that note..I place you as on ATS a mental ignore..

I apologize for the above distraction...now..
IC don't froget (sic)me and my question(s) , and Marvs too..whew!Thanx!! grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 26th, 2010, 2:24pm

on Jun 26th, 2010, 1:30pm, Sysconfig wrote:
I didn't here a word of protest when mine was pastered all over the internet by Didier.

If that happened I don't remember, and I'm sorry that it did. But recognise that I had/have no more control over what Didier would decide to do than I would over what drdil would decide to do. Ziltch.. nadda none ..
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where was your conscience then?

see above.
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Its ok to have someone else thru a telescope..

Only suspects not people I research with...
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but not ok to turn it around I see....of to give it to mailing lists..but..not ok to post same here..

Yes that was my mistake. Errol could hardly be expected to edit out a post in as big an email list as that is because I left my name there.
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Well if you can't take the heat..get out the kitchen....you set the fires...

What fires? The only fires seem to come from people chasing people chasing this case.. sigh rolleyes
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Your email is on on an OMF subscriber list appearing on an email Mur sent me

For crying out loud.. if you have my email addy why do you need it from Mur? Mur??
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..as well as Ufo update..

Please my email address is not necessary to broadcast.. I use it like everyone else.. so it is out there. big deal, what is the point?
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and like I said..it leads to baloney..with big gaps in it.

So fricking what? You think I spend my life going around leaving my mark where ever I can with an email address to appease you and your tiring suspictions?
I don't go to great lengths to hide my tracks, but I can tell you for sure after doing all this research for the case, I'm not prone to ever..
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You raised the personal sacrifice of disclosing personal info..Yet..nothing there as you claimed

Strawman argument sys..
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..of substance...

strawman. unless you can give reasonable examples.
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You say such is fraught with danger

Yes it is. I don't know everyone who reads this thread but if some psycho was following this and decided to stalk the most vulnerable person who posts in this thread it would be me. So please do not post my personal info.
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..but you converse and share info with Lev..

Lev knows less about me than I'm sure you do. Only what he reads here. Our pms are about the case where I ask questions and he tries to find unique ways of answering them rolleyes
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allegedly..schizophrenic..subject to rage fits..

That's not how I perceive Lev/Icarus/et al.
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your kindred spirit..

Well, I'll admit.. they did make me an IA initiate right off the bat.. tongue wink
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no nothing of the sort..for one you claim as in depth involvement.Do you have anything that would indicate othere wise or was it just another of a long series of untruths.

strawman accusation actually.
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which like blankets as profusely like green in Splendor of the grass..

eh?? totally lost me there unless we are back to frogs again..
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and your last post does then contradict that long and implied vigorous involvement..

sys, I've only posted there once. But if you would like to bother errol I will give him my ok to look back through all his records for my prior email addresses when I was in the states. I know he will be delighted. However, I'm pretty sure he will say I've been on that list way before 2007 with the current email addy he has now.
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Ill be happy to delete that if you still want though I think ufo updates would..
I think I made the point..that anything you say has to be taken with a grain of salt and not to be trusted..even though you are a fun loving nice lady, who doesn't care who is right or wrong..but just keep the intrigue up..

What intrigue? I should be getting serious RL stuff done and instead I'm putzing around on this thread.. I would hardly call that intrigue. Procastination maybe..

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 26th, 2010, 2:28pm

I apologize for the above distraction...now..
IC don't froget (sic)me and my question(s) ,

Were you in UK at the time of Uk Has Talent? and when did you get back? and was CH Dillashaw a possible origin for using Chad..and Tyler Bowen for TY B and Marvs Q's, don't want his buried anymore than mine...lol..lost your answer..but Thanx in advance if you did....whew!Thanx!! grin
Would you mine sharing your agenda, (you did state you had one)..?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2010, 3:11pm

on Jun 26th, 2010, 09:56am, Gort wrote:
I'm just trying to get some perspective


Hi Gort, I had to read your - unusually long post more than once.

I think, the problem is not so much, what happens in Ufology and forums like this one. You are simply too intelligent, not to realize, that most of all this stuff is just nonsense, hoaxers and false prophets.

You had some experiences and hoped to find answers. Now you see, that there is nothing and you will have to find the answers yourself or listen to other people.

I did not see, that anybody understood that Lev just demasked one more false prophet, when he confessed (?), that the whole Alabama drone case was his creation.

To me it was clear, that this all was a game, because I never hoped to find any proof for things, I don't believe in. Call it biased, if you want. But other than the believers I never was dissapointed by any result. Because all results show: Hoax.

I must admit, that some cases are never solved. But knowing, that ALL solved cases are hoax and/or mislead interpretations I feel very good with that.

Respect to you and everybody, who posts here or elsewhere.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 26th, 2010, 3:12pm

How funny, I do not know the real names of anyone on this journey.

I have not been in England lately.

No anagrams have been used by me concerning the drones.

Marvin will have to show me the exact images he is asking about.

Oh yes, I recently posted on DRT and clarified much. This was due to the ongoing Ted posts. Now it turns out I muddy the waters and am banned from posting. They also changed my profile to read admitted hoaxer.

Just keeping it out in the open. I wonder why the DRT does not have a problem with Ted and the Alabama coincidence!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2010, 4:22pm

Just took a look over there.

I think, it was because you tried to be lyrical again.
I told you, that is not your skill. wink

Now you frightened the rats, I guess.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 26th, 2010, 4:32pm

on Jun 26th, 2010, 3:12pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Oh yes, I recently posted on DRT and clarified much. This was due to the ongoing Ted posts. Now it turns out I muddy the waters and am banned from posting. They also changed my profile to read admitted hoaxer.

Just keeping it out in the open. I wonder why the DRT does not have a problem with Ted and the Alabama coincidence!


I'm sorry to hear that. This case when it is solved may have much worse fish to fry, come help us. Help them too and all may be forgiven.. (JMO and believe me I have nothing to offer like you do)
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 26th, 2010, 5:05pm

on Jun 26th, 2010, 5:04pm, Sysconfig wrote:
Thank you ..How are they all taking this in?..hmm perhaps I should ask that another way.. rolleyes

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 26th, 2010, 5:34pm

My own experience in this is much more complex and that includes my little MIB story reported to LMH. Now this really happened with a witness present, but do not worry I have learned my lesson on reporting the truth or at least what appeared to be the truth. It Had little to do with the drones. You see one reason I have never been so concerned about a hoax is the way all is edited, picked and chosen seemingly at random. I must admit I started to enjoy the role of Leviathan. I have come to believe our reality is manipulated at all levels, basic and sophisticated, as to make a firm grasp of it ridiculous. Now what bothered me is this Ted affair at DRT, but let them tread in it. I have said what my only contribution to the original affair was and that is it. I have though learned much about the hows and whys of the workings of items placed on the net. For now I am content in what I have said and hopefully the devil shall never rise again.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2010, 5:51pm

Good news to me, Icarus! Hope we can meet as creative persons soon.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 26th, 2010, 6:10pm

on Jun 26th, 2010, 5:34pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Now what bothered me is this Ted affair at DRT, but let them tread in it. I have said what my only contribution to the original affair was and that is it.


Icarus, trying to read the subtext here.. only a few possibilities for why you would be bothered..
would be you know who the players should be or you realise something that shouldn't be... ??
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 26th, 2010, 6:18pm

Maybe OTF is the person who knows more about Alabama and Ted. The site does seem to be taking on a foolish appearance.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 26th, 2010, 6:51pm

on Jun 26th, 2010, 6:18pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Maybe OTF is the person who knows more about Alabama and Ted. The site does seem to be taking on a foolish appearance.


It doesn't look like you were banned though wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2010, 7:14pm

on Jun 26th, 2010, 6:18pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Maybe OTF is the person who knows more about Alabama and Ted. The site does seem to be taking on a foolish appearance.


That site had a foolish appearance from the start. But they found all those hoaxer's places. They should be number one in shouting hoax. But they are not. Why?

I ask you directly, 11august, for I know you read here and easily could answer. We are not strangers to each other and in fact we worked together without working together. Maybe we should change that to a more effective way.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 26th, 2010, 8:29pm

And just to clarify this: Only because I used the word "Psychology" in my text, does neither mean that I think, all people who are connected to Ufology are mentally twisted, nor does it mean that I am a shrink.

The title simply refers to the questions:

Why do people believe in hoaxes?
How are people reacting to hoaxes?
Why do people defend hoaxes?
Why are people sceptikal about hoaxes?

Only a few questions I tried to put into that title. No offense to anybody.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 26th, 2010, 10:20pm

Are you kidding Sidd..awaiting a reponse? They are a joke du Jour in French ufological circles..you cited some places yourself..like the young prohets..era..should have spelled it the young profits. had to be a typo I'm sure...that's what its about..I was awestruck..actually.. if the little French I know..did not fail me....but enough of that..
They have imploded..there will always be avenues like that for people like them..ufortunately..we have clowns on the radio and TV too..so they may get play from time to time..
The fact Lev was near a military base ar warner Robbins..a museum..i believe..made him a class A candidate disinfo master..they need to peg their failure on something..someone..why not the devil..? It's convenient to keep him on..being he was probably privy as others to inside information..can't be too harsh now can we..he razzled dazzled them while there..until the blog went down..and the movie came out..But I digress..smiley
It is a fringe extreme org now..like exopolitics..they build a machine an institution..and it takes a life of its own..forgetful of its own creators...and its purpose for being in the first place.








Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 27th, 2010, 06:30am

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:01pm, Icarus99 wrote:
No mirror, so here we go:
1. A picture was taken of the pole and wire against the bright and even blue GA sky.
2. A simple drone model was constructed and placed in this picture ( the program allows for a background photo).
3. Now the blue sky was dropped out and the two images were combined with the drone and sky image behind the first image. The two images due to there placement became a composite with the wires appearing to cross in front of the drone. The Georgia blue sky was a great help.

At no time was photoshop used because the 3D program had more than enough built in to accomplish the effect. Believe me these programs have grown far beyond this and so have I.


One more question, if I may.
Is the light center of the drone an oversight, intentional or limitation of method used? Should not the 3D model background be transparent? Maybe a coincidence? grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 27th, 2010, 4:55pm

The light center was by design. I suppose an energy field of sorts.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 27th, 2010, 5:29pm

What a Mench wink Great art again too !
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 27th, 2010, 7:49pm

Tomi, you are right I am allowed to post at DRT again! Really can not think of anything to post.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2010, 04:27am

You said you had that MIB experience. Didn't it concern you that you might be putting yourself in the line of fire by releasing that drone image and story?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jun 28th, 2010, 07:38am

on Jun 26th, 2010, 3:12pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Marvin will have to show me the exact images he is asking about.




Click on links...


I assume it is Ty's High Res photo



Rather than Stephen's photo


In both cases, they are the same basic CGI craft.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 1:40pm

I really never considered the drones as going as far as they have. You may also have noted that I have been attacked. The MIB incident was just bizarre and did not involve any UFOs. Maybe it was innocent, but lets just forget it. It just occurred at the same time as my fascination with drones began. Is there a connection, if so it is a very strange connection.

Yes it must have been Ty\'s
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2010, 1:55pm

What was the attack? Verbal ?

Nothing to fear, but MIB's wink Did they know who (what) they were playing with? cool
What do you think MIB's are anyway?

Been listening to interviews from researchers about Skinwalker Ranch. You might have been orchestrating your own MIB type experience with your other "activities"? Pure speculation of course..


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 2:19pm

The attacks were on various websites including here. They were always very quick from all quarters. Most included ridiculous information that bore nothing on the drone case. I still fill something for the drones and I can not explain it except as I have.

I probably should not use the term MIB, because no Men in Black were involved. It was just an extremely bizarre and dangerous event that defied sensibility and to some degree reality and yet it might sound mundane to most. It happened after the drones or my part there in.

Skinwalker, you can not imagine how close you may be to my experience. Now who in their right mind would believe this.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2010, 2:38pm

Well, these interviews might give them pause to consider, even sidd smiley :

http://www.skinwalkerranch.org/links.html

So... between the reality of what Blackwater posted for us to check out and the possibilities of things like skinwalker ranch and science proving things like nonlocal entanglement with foresight.... How are we going to separate the wheat from the chaff? I am glad there are two spectrums investigating this thing..

Now can we talk about the IA ? wink







Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 28th, 2010, 3:17pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 2:19pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The attacks were on various websites including here. They were always very quick from all quarters. Most included ridiculous information that bore nothing on the drone case. I still fill something for the drones and I can not explain it except as I have.

I probably should not use the term MIB, because no Men in Black were involved. It was just an extremely bizarre and dangerous event that defied sensibility and to some degree reality and yet it might sound mundane to most. It happened after the drones or my part there in.

Skinwalker, you can not imagine how close you may be to my experience. Now who in their right mind would believe this.


I agree with that last emphasized part..I'm a little confused here..When you state attack from all quarters can you give an example..as I look back on the record..I see mostly disagreement and quite natural dersion of the already admitted preposterous hoax at your end part you were trying to pull off..at OM and RU ..

And since you were already not as of sound mind as you are now..wouldn't it be from a paranoid schizophrenics or delusional mind's perspective to see or perceive mibs everyhwere..including tapped phone fax machine .parked cars..following vehicles..precisely in the manner you decribe now..and as far as April 2007.when you stopped posting at CC ..precisely at 666 posts you stated at Clubconspiracy..the Devil this summer..demonstarting some reasonable control of your actions and planning ability..Deranged or challenged minds can plan...ahead..and very meticulously...so ...I must ask..

Are you currently on medication now..and have you had relapses before as the need to fill something..not feel something if not an unusual typo..points to some compulsion or close association with the drone that is almost inseparable for you....?


By the way..My Salute to CH he served his country well in WWII..if my hit was correct..no need to go there I assure you..


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 28th, 2010, 3:29pm

Lev/Icarus, we all know you are lying. So you can stop trying to b.s. people.

We know that you suffer from pseudologia fantastica, and that you love to make lies that make you look special, or important.

For example, a few post ago you claimed to work for the elite, who are a part of the Illuminati, and who create products that are "secret", and you can't tell us what it is.

We know you made that up because you want to feel important, or special.

You get off on the idea that you know something others don't, and you enjoy when people want to know what you know. So you create these stupid lies and disguise them as secrets so people will be curious, but in reality, they are NOTHING.

Quote:
Fourth, the stories told tend towards presenting the person in question in a good light. For example, the person might be presented as being fantastically brave, knowing or being related to many famous people.


Now you are making this story about the MIB because you are seeking some type of attention.

You are seeking some type of recognition, or simply seeking a mental stimulation that you receive when you have successfully fooled someone into asking you questions about your lie. You get some type of pleasure from role playing these certain roles that you create.

You want gullible people like Tomi to ask you questions. You love when people give you the benefit of the doubt, and you get to play the center of attention, and spread your fantasies to people in such a way to stimulate their minds too, so they buy it and go and tell their friends.

You seek people who will believe you, so you can spread your lies to them and make them think you are special or important.

It's too bad we all see right through your b.s. and we all know you are pathological liar.

Here is a good read about people like you Lev/Icarus:

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/03/pathological_liars.html

I suggest you hold off on your lies, maybe even back away from the computer and take a break before you lie yourself into a bottomless pit.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2010, 3:43pm

You see here yet again is another example of my one question I've been trying to get some insight on, being derailed by your posts. So I am going to state the following, since my question was trampled on first.

Without knowing if he acted alone, or in concert with others, how can you be so sure of your diagnosis?

He could be a good actor. Playing a few parts with that craft being his insulation against rebuke...





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 3:51pm

You see Tomi, how quick and for what. Ping has ponged again. Also I never diagnose other posters. They teach me in each post they make and info must retreat smaller and smaller.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:00pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 3:51pm, Icarus99 wrote:
You see Tomi, how quick and for what. Ping has ponged again. Also I never diagnose other posters. They teach me in each post they make and info must retreat smaller and smaller.


Projection my dear Icarus,, remember projection. cheesy

(It's got to be that benign.. rolleyes IC sure doesn't apply here )
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:15pm

No disrespect..If you think he acted alone your as crazy as he purports to be . It was not synergy of animals at the waterhole. all drinking simultaneously....it was collusion of parts..of actors..He already said he could not say when asked about the NDa.just his part.... more without affecting others....Never said I did he did all alone. He left Atto and Ramses..out of the picture...yet they were tight...no more interaction...Has he shown he can play more than one part..of course..and so can others..a small group..like that can cross canvass all the important websites necessary at one time..That's how marketing is done and hoaxes maintained..and even moreso when it has fizzled..An artist..has no need to maintain his art..it will if good..go by itself..That does not seem to be the case here.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:17pm

Your reactions = pathetic acting. You sure do know how to "play" the role of innocent.

Here is a short story:

Once upon a time I made a prediction (with witnesses) that Lev was somehow involved in the hoax in some way.

Then later it turns out that Lev confesses. He lied to everyone, and tried to fool everyone by creating a (another) fake drone witness.

How did I know?

Then, Lev tries to hide behind a new identity. Lies about his identity for a long time. Pretends and ACTS like someone else (almost)

Did he fool me? NO. I knew instantly it was him, from the beginning. I had no doubt.... that is why I checked up on his e-mail address that he failed to hide because UFCB has a weird bug when you sign up and click "hide e-mail".

Then later, he confesses his identity. Big supprise to me? No...

How did I know it was Lev?

How do I know Lev is a pathological liar?

I'll tell you;

It's magic. LOL



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:21pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 3:51pm, Icarus99 wrote:
You see Tomi, how quick and for what. Ping has ponged again. Also I never diagnose other posters. They teach me in each post they make and info must retreat smaller and smaller.


Let's don't waste time with those pingpongers anymore. Tomi simply wanted to know, if there is any relation between you and those guys from IA (Internal Astronaut).

I myself would be more interested in your contacts to LMH, since she seemed to think that "Mr. Smith" was very important for her stupid insights.

If she really had "email, address, phone numbers and jobs" of the people, I wonder, how she was in contact with you. And I bet, it will be something for the fun thread after all.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:30pm

Good question..
But
Those pinpongers..just who are they? rolleyes
Not like you to lump people into groups..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:35pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:15pm, Sysconfig wrote:
No disrespect..If you think he acted alone your as crazy as he purports to be . It was not synergy of animals at the waterhole. all drinking simultaneously....it was collusion of parts..of actors..He already said he could not say when asked about the NDa.just his part.... more without affecting others....Never said I did he did all alone. He left Atto and Ramses..out of the picture...yet they were tight...no more interaction...Has he shown he can play more than one part..of course..and so can others..a small group..like that can cross canvass all the important websites necessary at one time..That's how marketing is done and hoaxes maintained..and even moreso when it has fizzled..An artist..has no need to maintain his art..it will if good..go by itself..That does not seem to be the case here.



Well dang sys.. that profile conflicts a bit with one who would need medication aside from a little self medication that is .. grin But where is your proof?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:40pm

I have no connection with IA. The story has grown so much on its own and this is intriguing. I must make it clear that you all have taught me the way no one is safe on the internet even a heinous pathological liar like me. I appreciate the lesson and so do others.

Now SyFy comes with the same thing as all this, Fact or Fake or something they borrowed.

Also my art has always grown by criticism and it will continue to do so.

LMH, is she really still part of the picture except for the hi-res.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:41pm

And thanks for your magnanimous IC time and consideration in addressing all our questionssmiley
You mentioned SyFy..can you elaborate?..and has LMH as Sidd asked written to you any any of your alternates..particularly mr.Smith..I didn't want the above junk to bury that

Thanx

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:50pm

I believe they are advertising a new program that will debate whether sightings are fact (?) or fake and will have tons of experts on the job (maybe they should put more men on the job, Benny Hill). So you see, Ufology will take another hit. There will be movies, stills, witnesses and the occasional pathological liars and maybe way in the background the faint hint of brimstone. Is there an agenda to all this! It seems to be being played out before you at every turn.

I have not heard from LMH and seriously doubt I will.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:51pm

I am just trying to get back to the straight questions, Sys.

It's no good to cheer to anyone, who just kills every question, because he wants to get us all to know, that he is the real person in the know, because he pingponged each and everyone of us. Where are his results? He is just a troll right now.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:57pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 4:50pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I have not heard from LMH and seriously doubt I will.


I guess so, but maybe you can tell us about the past? When she said, she had adresses and names and blabla.

What did she really have?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:08pm

So many people on this site and at the DRT claim intimate relationships (in the know as it were) with LMH. They are the people who should know this. From the proper perspective my connection to the drone saga, aside from posting, is very small. LMH has a business that is based on the incredulous and unbelievable, how she runs it is not up to me. Literally every poster has just had a conversation with this lady. This is especially true at the DRT.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:08pm

Sorry third time:

But Google just reminded me, that today is Antoine de Saint-Exupry's birthday... Maybe only Sys understands this message. But it should be mentioned anyway.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:10pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:08pm, Icarus99 wrote:
So many people on this site and at the DRT claim intimate relationships (in the know as it were) with LMH. They are the people who should know this. From the proper perspective my connection to the drone saga, aside from posting, is very small. LMH has a business that is based on the incredulous and unbelievable, how she runs it is not up to me. Literally every poster has just had a conversation with this lady. This is especially true at the DRT.


Are you telling us, she never wanted to know, who Mr. Smith is? shocked
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:34pm

THE LITTLE PRINCE

I did not come up with the name Smith.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:36pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 3:43pm, tomi01uk wrote:
You see here yet again is another example of my one question I've been trying to get some insight on, being derailed by your posts. So I am going to state the following, since my question was trampled on first.


How on Earth does one "trample on a question"? What I say should have no effect on what you ask him, or what he answers with.

It seems more like I am "trampling" on your ability to prolong this stupid drone hoax.

Nice tactic too... asking a pathological liar questions so he can fabricate his answers on the spot in such a way to make people have even the slightest extension of interest in this stupid hoax.

His dumb lies about an "MIB experiance" are a pathetic attempt at giving this stupid hoax more credibility. He actually thinks people will buy into his lies and think "oh if the MIB are messing with him then something about this hoax must be true!"... rolleyes

Of course, none of these lies would have been created unless little ol' brown nose Tomi wasn't asking him questions.

Good job Tomi, you are living up to your agenda. Extending this b.s. as far as it can go.

...and Sidd, you actually think I can "kill questions" too just like Tomi thinks I can "trample on them".... are you aware that your questions don't get erased when I speak? Are you aware your questions still exist after I post, and they are not killed or trampled? rolleyes

It really seems like I am killing or trampling you and Tomi's agenda instead.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:39pm

Ping or Pong
Ding Dong
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:51pm

That is all you got?

Normal people would at least try to prove me wrong.

Guilty people would say something incredibly stupid, like what you just said.

Hey Lev, did you enjoy your several days of fear? You know, when you got spooked, deleted your blog, and went into hiding because of your paranoia induced hallucinations? I bet you laid really low during those days, and you were scared that men in suits would show up at your door.

I bet you figured if you came clean, and confessed, everything would be OK, and all of this would go away...

You were wrong. You are now an accomplice.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:56pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:39pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Ping or Pong
Ding Dong


1111 is really very funny right now. But I think, you could give us more insight, of what happened in the interactions with you and LMH.

She really believed you every word, didn't she? That made other witnesses appear. Every idea finds it's followers.

You even find heros like 1111, who are absolutely isolated from society and don't accept any hand, you reach out, because they are so supertrooperpingponged that they don't want to take your hand in friendship.

Hope, you take mine in friendship without any pingpong and without any commitment than to be any more than a UCB-friend at all.

Stupid ideas must be stopped, whoever thinks them.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:57pm

I second that offer to Icaurs as well..

@ 1111 Well he won't be the first rolleyes Now who are the rest, and if you act like a boogie man, nobody will ever find out either..

@1111.. ppl in glass houses who threaten to put viruses and rootkits in ppls computers should not throw stones.... believe me smiley


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:00pm

I will neither ping nor pong because he, she, or it (1111) writes too long.
I believe LOL is the hip thing to say.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:13pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:00pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I will neither ping nor pong because he, she, or it (1111) writes too long.
I believe LOL is the hip thing to say.


You could try ribbit grin

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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:19pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:56pm, SiddReader wrote:
You even find heros like 1111, who are absolutely isolated from society and don't accept any hand, you reach out, because they are so supertrooperpingponged that they don't want to take your hand in friendship.


Wow, you failed big time.

Isolated from society? Because I think you are a fool, Lev is a flaming liar, and Tomi is an old dying hag, and I don't care about telling it TO YOUR FACE, I am isolated from society?

Take a hand in friendship? Why the F would I want to be friends with a pathological liar (Lev) and someone who defends a pathological liar (Tomi and Sidd)??

You all would be the worse friends in the world! You can take your friendship and shove it up there with your beers...

I tell you b.s. about "ping and pong" and YOU and others eat it up and chew on it like a snack. You all are completely mindless imbeciles, and it is provable.

Hey Sidd, why don't you go waste your time making another childish video about this hoax... it seems you love wasting your time on childish b.s. like that. Just like the hoaxers loved wasting their time on this hoax.

Really Sidd, I tried, but I can not convince people that your "over the rainbow" video was made by someone sane. Everyone who has seen it is pretty damn sure the creators are f'ing lunatics with no life.

on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:56pm, SiddReader wrote:
Stupid ideas must be stopped, whoever thinks them.


I agree, stupid ideas like your "over the rainbow" video.

So do you enjoy collaborating with an admitted hoaxer Sidd?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:20pm

What's all this about 'pong' and 'pong' here?

Got a tad confused and had to look it up in Wikipedia:

"Algorithms said to employ a Ping-Pong scheme exist in different fields of Software Engineering.

Internet

A functionality which lets a computer A find out whether a computer B is reachable and responding is built into the Internet Control Message Protocol (ICMP). Through an "echo request" Computer A asks B to send back an "Echo response". These two messages are also sometimes called "ping" and "pong".



I thought we were trying to find out some facts about IA and their drone-related stuff?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:27pm

Maybe the Ming or Wong dynasty!
I would vote for the Wong Dynasty.
Is anyone counting the number of times I have been called a liar, surely a record of some sort by now.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:30pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:57pm, tomi01uk wrote:
@1111.. ppl in glass houses who threaten to put viruses and rootkits in ppls computers should not throw stones.... believe me smiley



Hahahahaha, I didn't threaten anything. You just got baited.

I simply presumed you already have rootkits installed on your computer, and I said, "You should uninstall the rootkits from your computers first".

I NEVER EVER claimed I put them there, and NEVER claimed I would put them there. I never threatened EVER to put them there, my sentence was PAST TENSE.

It was a PING, and you just sent your PONG. A little delayed... but YOU just THREATENED ME because your subconscious thoughts actually believe I threatened you and others.

Guilty conscious? I'd say yes.

Oh... the ol' throwing stones in a glass house analogy, NICE THREAT TOMI. I take note your reasons for threatening me.

B.T.W. are you one of the "wolves" that Lev thinks are in the hills?


on Jun 18th, 2010, 1:56pm, Icarus99 wrote:
There are wolves in these hills if you care to go there, then go.


I wonder how many wolves.... 2? 3?





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:38pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 2:19pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The attacks were on various websites including here. They were always very quick from all quarters. Most included ridiculous information that bore nothing on the drone case. I still fill something for the drones and I can not explain it except as I have.


So am I in the minority as one of your socks attacked me back in the day (a la chemicaldave)?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:41pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:20pm, Klatunictobarata wrote:
What's all this about 'pong' and 'pong' here?

Got a tad confused and had to look it up in Wikipedia:

"Algorithms said to employ a Ping-Pong scheme exist in different fields of Software Engineering.

Internet

A functionality which lets a computer A find out whether a computer B is reachable and responding is built into the Internet Control Message Protocol (ICMP). Through an "echo request" Computer A asks B to send back an "Echo response". These two messages are also sometimes called "ping" and "pong".



I thought we were trying to find out some facts about IA and their drone-related stuff?

Hi Klat,

It was a rhetorical MO Nev said he was employing to gauge reactions and subsequently mine information which would ultimately enable him to form an accurate psychological profile of those who responded.

Didnt we establish long ago (well, except Tomi kiss) that the IA boys were merely pretenders to the Drone?


Cheers.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:42pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:08pm, Icarus99 wrote:
So many people on this site and at the DRT claim intimate relationships (in the know as it were) with LMH. They are the people who should know this. From the proper perspective my connection to the drone saga, aside from posting, is very small. LMH has a business that is based on the incredulous and unbelievable, how she runs it is not up to me. Literally every poster has just had a conversation with this lady. This is especially true at the DRT.

Meh, I have it on very good authority that if you mention my name or online work to LMH that she froths at the mouth grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:48pm

I think you know I make it a habit not to respond to you. If one of my minions ever call you chemicaldave I apologies. Please note I have never to my memory complained to you about what I am called here and will not do so now. Our conversations have never been fruitful. Hope this in no way impinges on any rules of the forum, if so you have my apologies in advance.

I have no knowledge of anybodys relation with LMH, just what they claim. I have no relation with her.

When one supplies a response to a fellow poster, the response can be a carefully constructed retort with its own deployments. We all understand that do we not!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 28th, 2010, 7:02pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:48pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I think you know I make it a habit not to respond to you. If one of my minions ever call you chemicaldave I apologies. Please note I have never to my memory complained to you about what I am called here and will not do so now. Our conversations have never been fruitful. Hope this in no way impinges on any rules of the forum, if so you have my apologies in advance.


kiss

And usually I adhere to a similar and rewarding philosophy but as you stated you specifically were attacked here Id thought Id give you a quick refresher as it were, of course no apology is necessary.

But as for the bastion of truthiness & light that the DRT represents I thought Id mosey on over and see what you were talking about:

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What do you know, they still feel threatened by me even reading their conjecture..

on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:48pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I think you know I make it a habit not to respond to you. If one of my minions ever call you chemicaldave I apologies. Please note I have never to my memory complained to you about what I am called here and will not do so now. Our conversations have never been fruitful. Hope this in no way impinges on any rules of the forum, if so you have my apologies in advance.

I have no knowledge of antibody\\\'s relation with LMH, just what they claim. I have no relation with her.

When one supplies a response to a fellow poster, the response can be a carefully constructed retort with its own deployments. We all understand that do we not!


Regarding your swift edit I know what you originally hinted at, but nah, forget it.

on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:08pm, Icarus99 wrote:
They are the people who should know this. Literally every poster has just had a conversation with this lady. This is especially true at the DRT.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 28th, 2010, 7:03pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:08pm, SiddReader wrote:
Sorry third time:

But Google just reminded me, that today is Antoine de Saint-Exupry's birthday... Maybe only Sys understands this message. But it should be mentioned anyway.

Do you not remember the hat/anaconda image (amongst others) I posted Sidd? wink


Cheers.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2010, 7:04pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 6:19pm, neveleeleven wrote:
Hey Sidd, why don't you go waste your time making another childish video about this hoax... it seems you love wasting your time on childish b.s. like that.


You would be my next superstar, but then I had to find out, you never put in something to that story, even had to use your worst enemies to prove you were right.
Indeed there is nothing coming from your side, that could be put in a nice funny video. You never had anything on your side.

So I have to improve, because I know your skills and appreciate them. I have to prove you were right sometimes, because you don't have any proof yourself. Funny!

But you are really a very entertaining member and I would miss your comments!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 28th, 2010, 7:07pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 7:03pm, DrDil wrote:
Do you not remember the hat/anaconda image (amongst others) I posted Sidd? wink


Cheers.


I simply ignore you, because you seem to remember any word. That's scaring me! wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 7:14pm

This must really be the Twilight Zone now. According to most I should know.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 28th, 2010, 7:18pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 7:14pm, Icarus99 wrote:
This must really be the Twilight Zone now. According to most I should know.

Not sure about that but youre a long way from Kansas sweetheart. laugh
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 28th, 2010, 7:23pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 7:14pm, Icarus99 wrote:
This must really be the Twilight Zone now. According to most I should know.


Things could get worse... Which drone will you get on in 2012?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 28th, 2010, 7:38pm

No drone will be needed because the real year is 2023.
Excuse me just too funny, had to say it.

I expect nothing in 2012 except maybe the drones will have faded away.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 28th, 2010, 11:29pm

Dang you are good boy..
While I'm eatin my chicken franks and Pork n Beans...a delicacy here in the south..
Just thinkin.
That was in your gallery too..but the only folx I remember posting anything was that Bulgarian ex cohort of Atto..back at his ranch..which shifts locations like nthe desert sands..Cuchisni ,,lol.. can;t remember.how to spell his name...The one who had one hot daughter was a Ms State of Utah?..was quite emphatic about that doomsday scenario for that year..preached a lil bible..lil free energy.etc..but really went nowhere..I was wondering how he/she.. could capitalize when any investor would if he thought it out...the world will end! what good is free energy then? why not inlvest in a ship to take us ,,no ..THEM..they would never invite US..off the planet..same goes for George Noory..and his slew of Quetzo Quatle catastrophes..but making sure his contracts are on the up and up..OK with me,..we need a voice we can all trust on the radio during these hard times to come..

Now Wikipedia..
2023 (MMXXIII) will be a common year starting on Sunday of the Gregorian calendar. ( I hate Gregorian chant)
Contents
[hide]

* 1 Predicted and scheduled events
* 2 In fiction
o 2.1 Computer and video games
o 2.2 Film
o 2.3 Television
o 2.4 Literature
* 3 References

[edit] Predicted and scheduled events

* [b]Slovenia will close down its only nuclear plant by this year.

* The Compact of Free Association between the United States and the Federated States of Micronesia and the Marshall Islands expires.
* Walt Disney's Steamboat Willie as well as two other Mickey Mouse short films released in 1928 fall into the public domain after their copyright expires.
OMG nooo..!


These are really Earth Shattering events..shocked

I hope they are not part of your new agenda..though there are a lot of possibilities with the Micky mouse thingy expiring..


I predict by 2023 we will no longer have to hear the cackling voice of LMH and and wimp y drones of Noory..as the new paradigm of enlightenment that began in 2012 continues to ravage the planet.

Will you be adding articles and such to the blog..and social commentary..It is a good platform..Why did you take the other one down..Marv asked the same thing..will you share what happened?

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jun 29th, 2010, 07:38am

on Jun 24th, 2010, 10:41pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The BB Drone is my personal favorite real or not.



on Jun 28th, 2010, 1:40pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Yes it must have been Ty\'s



There is no question as to the reality of the Ty photos. As discussed and demonstrated earlier, as with all of the California Drone photos, the lighting is not consistent with reality.

The only way I can get a white sky is when the sun is in front of the camera.

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Notice the shadow on the train engine shows the Sun to be in front of the camera.

With Tys photo:

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Notice the shadows on the trees to the left which are consistent with my train photo above.

Lets look a little closer at the Drone.

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The sun is behind the camera (to the left) and not in front of the camera.

As you know, the sun can not be in two locations at the same time.

You can strike possible reality with the Ty photos they are fake.



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jun 29th, 2010, 08:39am

I think there's just something about all of the drone photos that doesn't look right. Particularly the Ty set. I think they became more fake-looking as they went on.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 29th, 2010, 09:31am

I do not care if fake or not fake, I like the design. I also like the skinning of the model (?) and the little screens showing the Isaac designs. I also like the bare-bones aspect of a device that has no need of aerodynamics.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 29th, 2010, 11:41am

Marv
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Its precisely why they didn't send this to a forensics photographer.or that University.or anyone..No one with any bonafide credential would ever certify that as real....forget DRT and their limited budget..certainly LMH had the resources...able to junket to UK and other parts on the flip of a coin..I am sure their inside people knew as well as professional contacts in the "industry" she is..i've said it over and over again.. as a producer herself..Certainly more concrete than a journalist..and people already told her and whitley ( from what Star Tor stated back in 2009.).If she didn't ask..well..How just how negligent and stupid can she get?
If laymen such as yourself Marv and Nev..and all those others kept pointing these problems..Yet She kept pushing it..and in a 2008 Email to me as enlightened seeker..said the BB drone is real!!
This is why this will always come back to haunt her..


I know you don't care if its real or not..IC ..yours is an aestheic perspective..something that doesnt belong there is there..interested only in what flows from that..Lindas is almost the same..only not aesthetics..its what buzzes commercially from that..but both want the buzz..the endless droning..The truth of the matter in both cases is only a minor ethical inconvenience..
Only one place I know of you that comes to mind in suspending disbelief..and that's a comic book..You have plenty of room to grow in there IC if you choose that route..its very lucrative..and don't have to worry about the verasimiltude (lol..did I spell that right Doc?)


Marv..great pix! and analysis..and putting into perspective..as well as back on track..
Thank you..




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jun 29th, 2010, 3:27pm

on Jun 29th, 2010, 09:31am, Icarus99 wrote:
I do not care if fake or not fake, I like the design. I also like the skinning of the model (?) and the little screens showing the Isaac designs. I also like the bare-bones aspect of a device that has no need of aerodynamics.


I agree that the designs and idea behind it are pretty amazing. But to me personally, if something like this really is real, I'd be far more excited than I am looking at it now.
I think the earlier images look pretty convincing, and the Isaac documents are convincing too. I'm still undecided about whether it's all real or not but after the limited time I've spent looking into the drones, there are more things that indicate fake than real. I just wish I was around here when it was 'all kicking off' - I presume there was quite a buzz surrounding the images. Must have been pretty exciting.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 29th, 2010, 3:30pm

Good post Marv,

To me it is obvious that the creator of the BB drone was more concerned about having the "Isaac art" on the side of the drone visible than he was concerned about realism.

With such a bright sky, the drone itself should have been swallowed up by a type of "bloom effect" from the light, caused by the camera.

wikipedia bloom (shader effect)

http://harkal.sylphis3d.com/2006/05/20/how-to-do-good-bloom-for-hdr-rendering/

If the creator had been smart enough to include a bloom effect, it would have made the "Isaac art" very hard to see.

In fact, almost every single drone image that is showing characters on the drone seems to be specifically created to add emphasis to the characters. It seems they wanted people to focus on and notice the characters, even if that meant ignoring laws of light (huge mistake).

...

I think the hoaxers biggest mistake was being obsessed with Biblical / mythical names.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 29th, 2010, 4:18pm

Interesting remarks CA5. I doubt anything like it happens again. The internet will make it impossible.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 30th, 2010, 12:23am

on Jun 29th, 2010, 4:18pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Interesting remarks CA5. I doubt anything like it happens again. The internet will make it impossible.


Not like it perhaps..but the mind floating on all that substrate grey matter can think and jettison something else and the internet is the ideal place to put a stink bomb and run..This one had a tad more ponash..and the crew behind it had more than the usual 2 neurons firing...but like the odiferous big O
..first one smelt it dealt it..! There may be wisdom in those words..but I have always noted..that when you swat one fly..a hundred come to its funeral..

Like the similar shape in xmen..and matrix..just another ,,and no doubt unique application of one concept...the designs are on thousands of laptop--albeit-- they are not floating as as Isaac said they would..like magic.. .but scattered across the globe. with perhaps a 1/3 not working right..like a lot of other toys...Warners fox in an odd corporate precedent used the craft designs and story..for their terminator series..

Like the former , it will always survive in flights of fancy..until something else comes up. Just don't do like the movie maker Ed Wood guy..used the old standby tentacles... for shock and awe..which today will get you mostly giggles and wiggles...
Reminded me of the Brazil copycat which..is even the main attraction at the Todd caret site..The site that promised to become the premier site that would separate lol..the Chaff from the wheat. as far as the Drones went...(even the cliche; is hackneyed) I think they watched too many re runs of Field of dreams..They built it..but nobody came..


.Sits there like an obscene and naked popsicle frozen in time...The video and the site failed miserably ..to resonate and amplify..and so did the stories of tentacles mating with wind turbines in Europe..seems a lot of people liked the design. So despite the minor setback..here and there to and fro..You should be proud.even swooning...IC..By the way..just what do you want us to call you now?

@cas welcome aboard Cas..you came at a good time to see one of the creators..but yes the early days were ruff and tumble..like one big food fight..but perhaps the most comprehensive Unbiased..Objective ( is that a redundancy?) info ...is at ..
. Yo Dawgz ! Lay it on me one more time WWW.Dronehoax.com
grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Nodnunk on Jun 30th, 2010, 07:02am

I would take issue with the sun's position in Marvin's Durango and Silverton photo. First, there are no clear cut shadows that I can see. Second, the illumination on the side of the engine, tender and box car are bright enough so that the lettering is easily seen. Therefore I would put the sun above and to the left of the photographer, not in the direction the camera is looking.

As for the drone photo, I agree with Marvin's arrows, the illumination is from above and to the left. I would say that that is consistent with the trees on the right of the image. But since the "high resolution" scan of the image cropped the trees, it is impossible to say for sure. If LMH ever releases high resolution scans of all the photos, it is important that they not be cropped. The trees need to be in the images.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 30th, 2010, 12:03pm

By all means do not crop out the trees. At present I am experimenting with High Dynamic Range Images and Image based lighting. My oh my what they have in store for perceived reality.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 30th, 2010, 12:20pm

on Jun 30th, 2010, 12:03pm, Icarus99 wrote:
By all means do not crop out the trees. At present I am experimenting with High Dynamic Range Images and Image based lighting. My oh my what they have in store for perceived reality.

And all this to provide a realistic image on paper, film or screen. Pointless at this stage anyway. It will cast suspicion on most witness submissions and require (hopefully rolleyes )higher standards. May not be a bad thing at all.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jun 30th, 2010, 12:35pm

I have visited dronehoax.com before (I check it every now and then just to read random bits) and it does a good job of making all the drone images look fake. I didn't notice a lot of the things that had been pointed out.
I have to say though, fake or not, I like the patterns in the Isaac documents. I'm thinking of perhaps having similar patterns tattooed around my wrist/arm.
Overall I think the 'drone mystery' is a hoax. It may not sound surprising that I've come to this conclusion since a lot of people did. I don't know, some part of me wants to believe the whole thing is real. But then logic tells me that it can't be. There are too many 'anomalies' (if that's the right word) - too many things that can be picked up on and questioned. While DRT tries to explain most of these things and make them seem perfectly normal, it doesn't seem natural to me that there should be so many things which indicate fake.
I always found it interesting that me and others want things like this to be real, and get kind of disappointed when they aren't. I can't find any reason as to why a (large) group of people want to believe ETs and ET technology exist (myself included).
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jun 30th, 2010, 1:08pm

on Jun 30th, 2010, 07:02am, Nodnunk wrote:
I would take issue with the sun's position in Marvin's Durango and Silverton photo. First, there are no clear cut shadows that I can see. Second, the illumination on the side of the engine, tender and box car are bright enough so that the lettering is easily seen. Therefore I would put the sun above and to the left of the photographer, not in the direction the camera is looking.

As for the drone photo, I agree with Marvin's arrows, the illumination is from above and to the left. I would say that that is consistent with the trees on the right of the image. But since the "high resolution" scan of the image cropped the trees, it is impossible to say for sure. If LMH ever releases high resolution scans of all the photos, it is important that they not be cropped. The trees need to be in the images.



I was the photographer.

The sun was above and in front of the camera, casting shadows towards me. Visually, I did not notice a "white sky" at the time.



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I hope this helps.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jun 30th, 2010, 1:23pm

on Jun 30th, 2010, 12:03pm, Icarus99 wrote:
At present I am experimenting with High Dynamic Range Images and Image based lighting. My oh my what they have in store for perceived reality.


If you are just now experimenting with HDR then that says a whole lot about your current skill level.

Just so you know, although HDR makes things look more real, CGI HDR lighting can still be easily identified because it is not perfect. So "they" won't all be fooled, only the unexperienced will be fooled.

That shouldn't matter anyway. UFOlogist, or ANYONE for that matter, should already know the rules;

Rule #1: NEVER put faith in anonymous images or videos.

"Never believe what you see on TV" is true because special effects can fool anyone. It's no different on the internet. In fact, it is far worse on the internet.

Thats what made this entire drone hoax so laughable. The entire proof of the entire thing relies on anonymous images from anonymous sources. Only fools would put their faith in anonymous images.

Icarus, if you are planning to make another hoax with HDR lighting, I strongly recommend that you find a REAL artist to help you out, if you don't you will just get owned once again.



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 30th, 2010, 2:42pm

Bing Bong your response is before you.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jun 30th, 2010, 2:57pm

@Icarus: You're working on new drone images?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 30th, 2010, 3:32pm

Of course, but not as a hoax. I will place them on my blog. Imagination only. You see we now have the inventor of information mining here (ping, etc.).
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jun 30th, 2010, 4:01pm

Sorry for sounding a little dumb, but who/what is ping?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 30th, 2010, 4:16pm

on Jun 28th, 2010, 5:34pm, Icarus99 wrote:
THE LITTLE PRINCE

I did not come up with the name Smith.


I am late with that one, Icarus. Obviously distracted by the little prince.
LMH was so confused that she even talked about T.K.Smith, when she mentioned the P.I.s the first time.

BUT: How did you introduce yourself to her? Did you use a fake name and address? Did you ask for anonymity?

Why did she come up with Smith?

I think, now that the dragon is wounded... err... Well, you know, what I mean.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jun 30th, 2010, 4:18pm

on Jun 30th, 2010, 4:01pm, CA519705950 wrote:
Sorry for sounding a little dumb, but who/what is ping?


In the dialect of my town it is simply "pain". And if you look at both words, you can see how related they are. grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 30th, 2010, 5:00pm

Excuse me IC>>for sounding even dumber..but who is the one mining mining data? I recall at ATS Spiringer and crew were able to detect that somehow..caused some kind of problem like lag..on the server..So it should be no different here and actually more noticeable..can you detail a little more?
@ Cas., where do you hail from? I know.. In the states you can find lots of tattoo places that do Crop Circle art like that..I don;t know about elsewhere..just google..The human body as well as mind always made an excellent canvass for art

In the prior discussion on persecution..I recall early on how Marc Antonio of FX models Inc. got some blistering attacks from a retiredaf1002 and Richardakai..besides the fact that hey setup their accounts just for that occasion..as no further commentary developed.. and no more pix..other than what they posted as challenges..I just revisited again.what i noticed is that on R AF1002 pix he shows one in I guess Mexico or Guatemala..but he uploaded these pix not from USA but from South Africa..


site of posts..http://www.flickr.com/photos/8455761@N06/511283665/ flicker thingy attack

http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-USshockedfficial&client=firefox-a&q=http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/geo/%3Fid%3D8535291%40N03%26lang%3Den-us%26format%3Dkml_nl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=websearch



pehaps he was on vacation or something..just thought it odd..
Richards account was sopen last night at about 200am..gues what..Today its closed ...hahahaha!!
as far as that hateful little man RichardAkai..led nowhere..but hilariously..there is a Richard SAkai..one of the Simpsons movie, Futurama..etc producers..lol..
See..I wish this had been a nice gag like that..they like social commentary jazz on their flix.. especially on beliefs and belief clashes..would have been nice..

http://www.tv.com/the-simpsons/jazzy-and-the-pussycats/episode/730474/trivia.html

@Marvin//Mars Ave would love that Pic he likes trains too a real buff..It would be nice to have a dialogue with him..you all that is..he doesn't like me smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jun 30th, 2010, 5:10pm

I'm from the UK, Sysconfig. Wolverhampton area =) I know someone who does tattoos for a good price anyways, so I think perhaps I may get one despite being underage.
As for the data mining... just as Sysconfig said, who does the data mining?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 30th, 2010, 6:06pm

Anyone who asks leading questions or plays childish psychological games to gain information in a clandestine way. Also a person who stalks the intricate halls of the internet/computer world as a rat looking for cheese (even though I do like rats). Best thing to do is look up such on the internet. I will let my blog speak for itself and anyone is free to look and speak their own mind as they please. Will I try to produce another hoax, I doubt it but any photos posted of future UFOs I can promise I will look at with great care and I suggest you all do the same.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 30th, 2010, 6:24pm

on Jun 30th, 2010, 6:06pm, Icarus99 wrote:
.... but any photos posted of future UFOs I can promise I will look at with great care and I suggest you all do the same.

Not much opportunity for that as of late. Most seem content to chase and be amazed by lights in the night sky posted by any yahoo on youtube. rolleyes
The others - clearly fake - or explainable by other means. Very depressing as is looking for men on Mars. Could indicate absolutely nothing is there but to say so is not popular.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jun 30th, 2010, 6:44pm

on Jun 30th, 2010, 12:35pm, CA519705950 wrote:
I have visited dronehoax.com before (I check it every now and then just to read random bits) and it does a good job of making all the drone images look fake.

<snip>

Hi CA5,

Hmm, I guess it all depends on how you look at it..... wink

Dronehoax.com merely highlights the research/analysis that was performed on the images, and personally speaking I think they looked pretty fake without any outside help.. grin

(But admittedly it could be & has been reasonably argued that a I'm a little biased regarding that particular site.)


Cheers.



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 30th, 2010, 6:52pm

No exacting CGI will ever Nothing will ever replace the awe and wonder of blurs, lights, and things that go bump in the night...accompanied by a good yarn..of course..

@ wolverton..lol..shades of wolverines!! joking..love stuff like that..Cas here is an example of what you were talking about..but it actuall belongs in the art thread..which..a very sacred area,,actually for me..I might add...just for that concept and its impactl hibernating,,as if in utero..waiting,,and appreciatiing our warmth..and kind and nurturing words..Uteros have to be warm you know to birth these creations..waiting..for someone to be inspired enuff..to carry the torch elsewhere..
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Disappointments will never stop..just enjoy the spirit..of the Tooth fairy. they had their place and time..and still serve a purpose of sorts....



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 30th, 2010, 7:24pm

Sys I don't assume any of what you inferred about AW to be correct in any way or form.
Nothing could be further from that from the research so far.
But a lot must be done in followup and I hope also ... well it's pipe dream maybe.. but who knows.. due diligence comes at a price, they must do theirs and a lot has been done already from the researchers end.. How much did AW actually do? Who or what did the LAP have a few years before statue of limitations runs out.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 30th, 2010, 7:29pm

Which reminds me.....
Masker can we get back to the "the plates will never be found..." statement you made here last time this subject came up? You surprise me Masker more and more all the time. You have a way with words that has that kind of smell rats might like wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 30th, 2010, 7:57pm

The rat is not a bad creature, but please clarify this question with more detail.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:13pm

on Jun 30th, 2010, 7:24pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Sys I don't assume any of what you inferred about AW to be correct in any way or form.
Nothing could be further from that from the research so far.
But a lot must be done in followup and I hope also ... well it's pipe dream maybe.. but who knows.. due diligence comes at a price, they must do theirs and a lot has been done already from the researchers end.. How much did AW actually do? Who or what did the LAP have a few years before statue of limitations runs out.



Give me a break..be contray if you want..I didnt say to agree with me..merely that you should not overlook the obvious..ion your face use of material by very bifg companys..that do involve themseklves with blogs and forums to generate whatever they have to...Since you can't take a genuine compliment..I removed same..and will make use of that information..not new...its already been posted..your copyright knowledge contradicts the puzzlement.. conclusion..they stole..or infringed..a company that has now dell that has best attys in world..and would no doubt as hollywood does..make a deal before using that material..as Warners did,,and changed so as not to conflict with AW..or change Isaacs name to Abraham as was admitted..Used freely without fear and in a timely manner..it had to be worked ou..in advance.. How can you say farther from the truth,,you havent written to them or got the emails lkike we did,,,that pointed to unnecesary lying..

You said you were researchimhg..other than t those images..research involves communication..where is the communication.written with them..or any..anyone...that would lead you to say what I thought was the farthest thing from the truth.or its an incorect assumption..Mine are not gut feelings they are based of written correspondence...a public knowledge what they did...What do you know about that that says otherwise..?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:19pm

The compliment was nice for a change but the worry for me is that the important aspect of this will get lost in speculation. That is why, not to contradict, but just to be wary of assuming many deals have been done that gives them copyrights to the LAP. No evidence exists yet that shows they have the trademark even for the aliens letters last time I dug into it.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:26pm

Lol tomi..specul;ation! The Emails..The laps themselves?? Another email asking permission to use the designs that were identical to Isaacs..and they declined that person?..
No..Whetehr they own outright or merely got a license to use.as part of the original owners merchandising that they do all the time..its how business is done...they enforced it with Phil..who owns a pc business..and familiar with branding..thats not speculation..thats a fact...How can they enforce a right..they dont have..only if they had it to begin with..
Thats not speculation..thats a fact..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:29pm

on Jun 30th, 2010, 7:57pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The rat is not a bad creature, but please clarify this question with more detail.

"Anyone who asks leading questions or plays childish psychological games to gain information in a clandestine way."


Your defination above is quite sophistic. Why I wonder..?

But you also said as if you had insight that the plates of the LAP would never be found a while back in one of your posts.





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:32pm

on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:26pm, Sysconfig wrote:
Lol tomi..specul;ation! The Emails..The laps themselves?? Another email asking permission to use the designs that were identical to Isaacs..and they declined that person?..
No..Whetehr they own outright or merel got a license to use..they enforced it with Phil..who owns a pc business..and familiar with branding..thats not speculation..thats a fact...How can they enforce a right..they dont have..only if they had it to begin with..
Thats not speculation..thats a fact..


Lets see exactly how they addessed this issue. Do you have a copy of that email. There are various contradictory emails coming from dif depts in there depending on who was contacted, that I've seen posted in articles. But obviously if they had the copyrights for the LAP they would have the trademark for the alien letters, which they were still struggling to get after all this time..

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:36pm

I just do not remember it, but some times I use older terms because I am older. I really know nothing of the LAP other than I like it. The idea of something printed on another item imparting a certain power is nothing new. The LAP and the inventory photo have always been extra kickers for this story.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:47pm

on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:32pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Lets see exactly how they addessed this issue. Do you have a copy of that email. There are various contradictory emails coming from dif depts in there depending on who was contacted, that I've seen posted in articles. But obviously if they had the copyrights for the LAP they would have the trademark for the alien letters, which they were still struggling to get after all this time..


I'm doing no such thing and repeating myself again..if you researched all those contradictory emails..then you know what they are..I posted them at ATS quite some time ago..everyones memory is suddenly Hazy as Ics..? Look for the ones to and from the Uk marketing division of Phil 1000
because u think they are contradictory which is I believe the essence of lying at times..then..thats part of their problem..not mine or yours..but no one if researching..ignore. that their use, and an entire contest campaign using the letters ..
To do so is to throw the baby out with the bathwater by ignoring those things....and instead..following..endless convesations like this..away from the parties that may have been a part..and one cooperative guy..doting on every word,,the scape goat.(no pun intended IC smiley)...and ..well we will never know..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:47pm

on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:36pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I just do not remember it, but some times I use older terms because I am older. I really know nothing of the LAP other than I like it. The idea of something printed on another item imparting a certain power is nothing new. The LAP and the inventory photo have always been extra kickers for this story.


I was thinking it sounded a bit more professional than just grown up.. But.... aside from that.. I'm glad we have your insights on hand, however conflicting some may be tongue
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:50pm

A past statement that conjures up something like this. An old glass negative of the BB drone that was used to print an image onto a background of trees from another image.
Surely you recall those little tidbits?
The plate was ancient and would be stored in a special place for safekeeping just in case ......
Then we have that special green (or was it blue) background.
User Image
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:55pm

@ sys, I know it doesn't make sense. But marketing is not legal. The PR etc is not indicative of license.
None of it makes sense from a legal pov.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jun 30th, 2010, 9:08pm

You say all the forums plus your blog got hacked Icarus, that is not something that comes easily to script kiddies, brute force at the least and expertise.. (unless I'm wrong and I do try to keep up on such things.. )
What does this indicate I wonder and why?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jun 30th, 2010, 9:23pm

on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:50pm, Katterfelto wrote:
A past statement that conjures up something like this. An old glass negative of the BB drone that was used to print an image onto a background of trees from another image.
Surely you recall those little tidbits?
The plate was ancient and would be stored in a special place for safekeeping just in case ......
Then we have that special green (or was it blue) background.
User Image

Sorry Tomi..but I yield the floor on this....thats fascinating
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 1st, 2010, 04:46am

on Jun 30th, 2010, 9:08pm, tomi01uk wrote:
You say all the forums plus your blog got hacked Icarus, that is not something that comes easily to script kiddies, brute force at the least and expertise.. (unless I'm wrong and I do try to keep up on such things.. )
What does this indicate I wonder and why?

Actually, it is something that comes easily to script kiddies. Depending on the type of forum used, it can be as simple as uploading an attachment - a scipt masked as a JPEG, for example - 'examplefilename.xxx.jpg'. Hacking the blog would most likely be the hardest part but again it all comes down to what service is used. There are several places on the net that provide exploits and tutorials regarding hacking.

on Jun 30th, 2010, 8:50pm, Katterfelto wrote:
A past statement that conjures up something like this. An old glass negative of the BB drone that was used to print an image onto a background of trees from another image.
Surely you recall those little tidbits?
The plate was ancient and would be stored in a special place for safekeeping just in case ......
Then we have that special green (or was it blue) background.
User Image

Wow... do you have any further information on this or could you go in depth? I've not seen that yet and it's got me interested.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 1st, 2010, 06:39am

on Jun 30th, 2010, 1:08pm, Marvin wrote:
I was the photographer.

The sun was above and in front of the camera, casting shadows towards me. Visually, I did not notice a "white sky" at the time.




Actually being there helps. You had a lot more information to work with. But from the photograph alone, I still think the shadows are so weak as to be inconclusive.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 1st, 2010, 06:39am

on Jul 1st, 2010, 04:46am, CA519705950 wrote:
Actually, it is something that comes easily to script kiddies. Depending on the type of forum used, it can be as simple as uploading an attachment - a scipt masked as a JPEG, for example - 'examplefilename.xxx.jpg'. Hacking the blog would most likely be the hardest part but again it all comes down to what service is used. There are several places on the net that provide exploits and tutorials regarding hacking..


Thanks for your opinion but with all due respect, a mate I know in 2600 London would disagree. Brute force is a method most commonly used last I checked. I also subscribe to several lists distributed to security ppl and hackers alike and mostly contributed to by top white hat hackers so I can try to stay up to date on security issues, etc. since I work with computers.

http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci499494,00.html
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 1st, 2010, 07:53am

on Jul 1st, 2010, 06:39am, tomi01uk wrote:
Thanks for your opinion but with all due respect, a mate I know in 2600 London would disagree. Brute force is a method most commonly used last I checked. I also subscribe to several lists distributed to security ppl and hackers alike and mostly contributed to by top white hat hackers so I can try to stay up to date on security issues, etc. since I work with computers.

http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci499494,00.html

A 'mate' I know (though that isn't really the right word), who is my age - 16 - essentially a 'script kiddie' walked me through hacking a website named 'Emucraze' with ease. I am also familiar with the brute forcing technique and brute forcers - my friend and I have used them at a school with success (though they didn't exactly make it hard for themselves).
Brute forcing can take an extremely long time based on the strength of the password you're attempting to crack, and many sites have protection against it now. Sites like milw0rm and The Hack Forums post about vulnerabilities carried by different software and walk you through hacking a website that way. SQL injection and other exploits are commonly used as a successful means of hacking a website - especially if the software used is old or outdated.
Though I agree that brute forcing is a common technique - there is no debate about that - it is probably easier and faster under a lot of circumstances to avoid brute forcing, and from my personal experiences on different forums, I think 'script kiddies' would have no problem with it.
Also, lets not forget about keyloggers. Equally as easy to use as most brute forcers and probably throw you your victims password a lot faster.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 1st, 2010, 11:33am

Hi CA, was thinking about this a bit on and off since my last post to you. Now with your response, wanted to say the hacking of a forum is diff, it's not something you can exploit with a buff overflow injection etc. It is just a website on a server in a server farm. They don't want to hack the server or let the forum admins see any DOS like activity. Right? Also deploying key loggers requires an exploit into the users computer... not easy to accomplish, they are pretty clued up on attachments, etc.

So like Icarus said, has to be quick. Right? He might know more than you & me put together, but maybe not quite as much as 1111.. wink But the computer has to be powerful and the software & dictionary quite developed to accomplish that. I don't think this is something easily grasped and accomplished without spending a good deal of time in it before hand. Which kind of puts possible culprits into the admin or web guru/hacker catagory to begin with.

So.. was it a forum member, seems the best way in to the deeper information would be from within to begin with.. just thinking here.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 1st, 2010, 12:12pm

on Jul 1st, 2010, 11:33am, tomi01uk wrote:
Hi CA, was thinking about this a bit on and off since my last post to you. Now with your response, wanted to say the hacking of a forum is diff, it's not something you can exploit with a buff overflow injection etc. It is just a website on a server in a server farm. They don't want to hack the server or let the forum admins see any DOS like activity. Right? Also deploying key loggers requires an exploit into the users computer... not easy to accomplish, they are pretty clued up on attachments, etc.

So like Icarus said, has to be quick. Right? He might know more than you & me put together, but maybe not quite as much as 1111.. wink But the computer has to be powerful and the software & dictionary quite developed to accomplish that. I don't think this is something easily grasped and accomplished without spending a good deal of time in it before hand. Which kind of puts possible culprits into the admin or web guru/hacker catagory to begin with.

So.. was it a forum member, seems the best way in to the deeper information would be from within to begin with.. just thinking here.


Hey again tom (hope you don't mind the abbreviation);
Depending on the software used on the forum, it can be done in a matter of minutes with no visible signs. My friend and I uploaded a shell to a particularly vulnerable type of forum (the aforementioned site) and could tinker with the server from that shell. Ironically the only real damage caused to that site was due to a screwup on my part - I misinterpreted the button that was for deleting the shell, mistaking it for the one used to delete contents of a server. I hit the button and the shell was gone, along with the part of the website that was vulnerable... they had to rebuild due to the messed-up-ness of the site. No need for DOS-like activity hehe. I'd also like to point out that I wasn't randomly experimenting on a site... it was a sort of revenge for the work they stole off me wink.
As for the keylogger, it could be sent by other means such as MSN or email. My 'friend' walked me through binding (at least I think that's the right word) a keylogger to a JPEG image, so it looked like a simple image transfer (which MSN actually does automatically these days - unless the user changes the preferences, it accepts the image automatically).
But I do have to agree that this was most likely not some petty hacking attempt by some randomers. What business would they have looking at the forums and blog as it is? There are much easier targets out there that take less time to find...
Also, the fact that both forums and blog were hacked suggests that the hacker(s) knew Icarus' password, or was an admin on both sites.
Since I'm new here and don't know too much about what happened to Icarus' sites, could someone fill me in on the details please? Were the sites UFO or paranormal-related?
Thanks smiley.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 1st, 2010, 1:53pm

Hi CA, I'm just going on assumptions here because of what I've heard said in the past; that several forums as well as Icarus's blog got hacked. But it made me wonder, if this did happen, then they were probaby not randomised events by amatuers but intentional drone related "misdeeds"? And if so, who would have a reason for this? Could provide insight. I guess that was the basis of my questions about it.

edit to add: and since my favorite, yet to be disproved, entangled suspects (for lack of a better way of describing them) know their way around protocols and server farms like the back of their hands grin things that make me go hmmmmm.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 1st, 2010, 2:46pm

on Jul 1st, 2010, 1:53pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Hi CA, I'm just going on assumptions here because of what I've heard said in the past; that several forums as well as Icarus's blog got hacked. But it made me wonder, if this did happen, then they were probaby not randomised events by amatuers but intentional drone related "misdeeds"? And if so, who would have a reason for this? Could provide insight. I guess that was the basis of my questions about it.

edit to add: and since my favorite, yet to be disproved, entangled suspects (for lack of a better way of describing them) know their way around protocols and server farms like the back of their hands grin things that make me go hmmmmm.

Yeah I agree that judging by when the sites were hacked, it was done for a drone-related reason. I've no idea who would do it since I've not come across many 'drone forums' or other forums which discussed drones other than DRT and ATS (a while back).
The reason as to why the sites were hacked - based on me knowing nothing about the people behind it - could be to further perpetuate the 'drone myth' assuming it is a hoax - as if to make it look as though someone wants it covered up.
Or it could be that someone did want it covered up, I suppose.
Otherwise I can only think of jealously, giggles and boredom as answers.
Who are your suspects then eh? wink.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jul 1st, 2010, 3:33pm

on Jul 1st, 2010, 11:33am, tomi01uk wrote:
So like Icarus said, has to be quick. Right? He might know more than you & me put together, but maybe not quite as much as 1111.. wink


You are right, I know a lot about hacking. Maybe too much.

...however, if you actually believe Icarus, a proven liar, when he says that his blog was hacked. Then you just might be the most gullible person in the world.

Icarus' blog didn't get hacked, Icarus got spooked. He got really scared when he realized that being part of this drone hoax was a big mistake. So he shut down his own blog, and even "disappeared" for a few days. He went into hiding because he is guilty.

Blaming it on a hacker is just a way to spice up his story, because of course, he is a pathological liar, and you people are the most gullible people in existence.

Icarus didn't come back and confess for you. He did it for himself, thinking it would clear him from wrong doing. Sorry but confessions don't work like that.

I honestly don't understand how you can trust the guy, even after he lied to your face several times.

What I love the most is how I will be made out to look like the bad guy because I call Icarus a liar, when he clearly is a liar, and a hoaxer.

-But since most of you have the memory capacity of a fish, I don't expect you to see how you are defending a "bad guy", and insulting the "good guys".
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 1st, 2010, 3:37pm

1111 I have good reason to know that a load of forums got hacked. So if Icarus's blog was one of them or if he just wanted to introduce that phase of this saga I don't know.

Why for me would be to get information. Deeper layers of threads, repositories of data. Who would be that interested? Why? But this is just a theory. It could have been just part of the prank as you say.. as well.

@ CE Start digging into VectorStar smiley It's just another early road my entangled suspects built.

btw, Icarus, do you know anything about them?


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 1st, 2010, 4:02pm

on Jul 1st, 2010, 04:46am, CA519705950 wrote:
Actually, it is something that comes easily to script kiddies. Depending on the type of forum used, it can be as simple as uploading an attachment - a scipt masked as a JPEG, for example - 'examplefilename.xxx.jpg'. Hacking the blog would most likely be the hardest part but again it all comes down to what service is used. There are several places on the net that provide exploits and tutorials regarding hacking.


Wow... do you have any further information on this or could you go in depth? I've not seen that yet and it's got me interested.


Yes lets
stay on track and and get a response for Katts post....that hacking stuff is just blowin bubbles for effect..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 1st, 2010, 4:03pm

on Jul 1st, 2010, 4:02pm, Sysconfig wrote:

Yes lets
stay on track and and get a response for Katts post....that hacking stuff is just blowin bubbles for effect..

User Image
when you get past the bubbles IC could you respond to that query?

@ katt..is mystered a ping ponger too?
haha what a coincidence! He is pinging here and wants us,
anybody to pong back!..
http://ping.sg/item/Blog_Marketing_-_Networking
but this is all past 2007 and in 2008..and the photobucket account does not appear to be working.. there was a raj4.jpg but account dead as far as i know.
Another MysrEd is more conspiracy oriented..911 stuff
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/6786531
I
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jul 1st, 2010, 4:11pm

Here is a short story for entertainment;

Once upon a time two lovers were walking down a path. On their journey down this path, they were interrupted by a confused soul. The confused soul tells the lovers, "hey walk down this path, the end of it is intriguing and amazing". So the lovers, and the confused soul, start walking down this alternate path.

When the lovers and the confused soul reach the end of the path, the lovers find out that the confused soul lied to them. There was nothing at the end of the path. In fact, the confused soul led them down a path that wasn't really even a path, it was all fake. The path was created by the lost soul himself.

Normally, people who are lied to, and led astray, get angry. But there was something special about these lovers who were led astray. After the confused soul confesses and tells them, "it was all a lie, the devil made me do it, it probably wont happen again", these two special lovers accepted his apology and confession, and then trusted the confused soul.

After accepting the confused souls confession, the confused soul tells the lovers yet again, "Hey, lets walk down this other path, along the path is a bunch of important information you are looking for". So the lovers, again, follow the confused soul and totally forget they were just led astray by this person not to long ago.

That is when a few honest guys come along. They tell the lovers, "hey, that guy has confessed to being confused and a liar, I wouldn't walk down any paths he says exist". That is when the lovers start insulting the honest guys. The lovers defend the the confused soul like they are best friends, all while insulting honest people trying to help them. The honest guys just wanted to warn the lovers, but the lovers were too special to accept their help. So the lovers continued to follow the confused soul down his imaginary path.

That is when the honest guys put up a sign on the main path that says, "Caution - Be aware of a group of lost confused gullible lying mindless souls who don't need any help on their imaginary paths".

The End.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 1st, 2010, 4:20pm

on Jul 1st, 2010, 2:46pm, CA519705950 wrote:
Who are your suspects then eh? wink.


To me it's you and Kermit.

But who am I to judge anything. I rely on our pingpong expert, also known as "the lost soul" lately, because he can read between the lines.

I also got the feeling that someone here did not feel comfortable with my researches on him. I treated him very nice and with honest respect, so he should not complain, that I looked behind the mirror.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 1st, 2010, 4:32pm

on Jul 1st, 2010, 3:33pm, neveleeleven wrote:
You are right, I know a lot about hacking. Maybe too much.

...however, if you actually believe Icarus, a proven liar, when he says that his blog was hacked. Then you just might be the most gullible person in the world.

Being new to this site, I know little about Icarus' history and his involvement in the drone mystery.
I'd appreciate it if someone could fill me in on how Icarus is connected to the drone mystery?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jul 1st, 2010, 4:48pm

on Jul 1st, 2010, 4:03pm, Sysconfig wrote:
@ katt..is mystered a ping ponger too?
haha what a coincidence! He is pinging here and wants us,
anybody to pong back!..
http://ping.sg/item/Blog_Marketing_-_Networking
but this is all past 2007 and in 2008..and the photobucket account does not appear to be working.. there was a raj4.jpg but account dead as far as i know.
Another MysrEd is more conspiracy oriented..911 stuff
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/6786531
I

You caught me Wilbur! grin
Nah, Myster Ed is just a play on Mister Ed to add some mystery. Actually is the name of one of my online RPG characters.

The plate thing came to mind from Tomi's post reminding me of some old comments I had read. My mind works strange at times. rolleyes

From 7/18/09 on UCB
Masker wrote:

Two left on the formed plastic wing of the Drone standing before the green screen of reality. Misaligned trees and shadows poorly matched with original plate. All say no so must go, but you know. Old, very old and trees never there. Too much is shown. Beauty of design even in discarded state. Agreed, to much said all untrue. A Hoax is a Hoax is a Hoax.
---------------------

That last sentence reminded me of the Mister Ed theme song.

A horse is a horse, of course of course,
and no one can talk to a horse of course,
that is of course, unless the horse,
Is the famous Mister Ed! embarassed

------------------------

From 7/7/08 on DRT
Leviathan wrote:

You are correct. It is not that CG could not produce an effect with experimentation, but much experimentation would be required. Some "experts" act as if you just use ambient occlusion or radiosity and all is well, but that is not the case. The proper lighting, especially when compositing with a background plate, is all important in getting the brain to accept the CG as a part of the real scene. Even the use of High Dynamic Range images captured from the original shoot of the background plate will not automatically insure success. Then of course color of light, texture, reflection, environmental mapping of the Drone comes into play. The complexity is very great. All this done by a hoaxer to fool a very small and specialized segment of the population who as UFO interested persons will not be listened to anyway. Can it be CG? Yes, with money, talent, time, pre and post planning, skills at 2 and 3 dimension art, writing skills, excellent imagination in design and story telling, cleverness in general, understanding of composition of different elements, knowledge of cutting edge physics, knowledge of the look of documents from the 1980's, etc. Yes it could be CG, but do you believe it is and if so for what purpose? Just for fun!!! We take it very seriously and we will continue to do so.

From 6/25/08 on DRT
Leviathan wrote:

Well said and we agree. The Isaac documents give far more information than Roswell has ever generated. This forum has saved the Drone and Isaac events. We have archived "ALL" the information that we have collected in one year on this subject and placed it on secure media and have placed it away. We add to it as needed. We believe that someone will finally kill the interest in this event with a false admission and since we know it will not be true we have taken steps. The Isaac/Drone Information will be available to future humans (if any) at some point, maybe when they are mature enough to handle it. Thank you Douglas for your insight and maturity in realizing the seriousness of this phenomenal event.
L E V I A T H A N

----------------------------

I do wonder who the false prophet could be.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 1st, 2010, 5:09pm

on Jul 1st, 2010, 4:32pm, CA519705950 wrote:
Being new to this site, I know little about Icarus' history and his involvement in the drone mystery.
I'd appreciate it if someone could fill me in on how Icarus is connected to the drone mystery?


That would be a very difficult thing to do and pay respect to the subject as well as do justice to the description of the minons of characters that embodies this subject.

I suggest you start at OM, here and the DRT and read up on anything with the word Lev, Leviathan, Lev66,
and that will get you started... or start from the end and know that he is the one who confessed to doing the Alabama (Georgia) drone and story.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 1st, 2010, 5:18pm

@ Katt, Thank you immensely for that! That was great pickings Katt. And you didn't even need the one post I had in mind about "the plates will never be found" when I was going on about the Alienware copyright issues.. I was too lazy to dig up that post of his, but the ones you found above are golden.

Always nice to be reminded of how and why my subconscious just can't dismiss even in the face of reason wink Good work Masker kiss grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jul 1st, 2010, 5:39pm

on Jul 1st, 2010, 4:32pm, CA519705950 wrote:
Being new to this site, I know little about Icarus' history and his involvement in the drone mystery.
I'd appreciate it if someone could fill me in on how Icarus is connected to the drone mystery?


Icarus99 is Leviathan in one of his many alternate accounts that he created to avoid detection. He even denied he was Leviathan for a while, before it was talked out of him.

Leviathan confessed to creating one of the many fake witnesses, and fake CG images, in the drone hoax. The Alabama (Georgia) drone.

He claims to have secret knowledge. Claims to be an expert with CGI graphics, and computers. Is fascinated with the UFO subject, and has owned multiple blogs involved in the subject.. and he isn't really good at spotting flaws in CGI lighting and shadows.

He spent multiple years defending the drone hoax, and supporting it.

He ended up getting banned from droneteam.com for a while after suckering DRT members for a long period of time (gaining friendship with them), and then admitted he is one of the hoaxers of the drone saga.

He has a habit of attempting to be intelligent by writing what he thinks is cryptic sentences, and always fails. And most of the time he likes to inject the idea that he is the hoaxer, or has inside knowledge of the hoax, in some of his words.

Oh, and he travels in a pack like wolves.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jul 1st, 2010, 5:53pm


From 6/25/08 on DRT
Leviathan wrote:

Quote:
We believe that someone will finally kill the interest in this event with a false admission and since we know it will not be true we have taken steps.


Only the hoaxers themselves would "know" if a false admission is true or false.

If someone lied and said they were the creators of the hoax, the real creators of the hoax would be the only ones that know it is not true.

The people who believe the false admission is true are most likely not the hoaxers, or just pretending.

So, the question should be, how does Lev "know" the difference between a false admission and a real one?


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 1st, 2010, 5:55pm

Now we're getting somewhere! rolleyes

(seriously...)
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jul 1st, 2010, 5:56pm

So Sidd, did you enjoy my story about you and Tomi (the lovers) and Lev (the confused soul)?

I was bored...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 1st, 2010, 5:56pm

on Jul 1st, 2010, 5:39pm, neveleeleven wrote:
Icarus99 is Leviathan in one of his many alternate accounts that he created to avoid detection. He even denied he was Leviathan for a while, before it was talked out of him.

Leviathan confessed to creating one of the many fake witnesses, and fake CG images, in the drone hoax. The Alabama (Georgia) drone.

He claims to have secret knowledge. Claims to be an expert with CGI graphics, and computers. Is fascinated with the UFO subject, and has owned multiple blogs involved in the subject.. and he isn't really good at spotting flaws in CGI lighting and shadows.

He spent multiple years defending the drone hoax, and supporting it.

He ended up getting banned from droneteam.com for a while after suckering DRT members for a long period of time (gaining friendship with them), and then admitted he is one of the hoaxers of the drone saga.

He has a habit of attempting to be intelligent by writing what he thinks is cryptic sentences, and always fails. And most of the time he likes to inject the idea that he is the hoaxer, or has inside knowledge of the hoax, in some of his words.

Oh, and he travels in a pack like wolves.

Okay, I'm starting to piece it together now.
'Interesting stuff' is all I have to say for now.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 1st, 2010, 7:10pm

on Jul 1st, 2010, 5:56pm, neveleeleven wrote:
So Sidd, did you enjoy my story about you and Tomi (the lovers) and Lev (the confused soul)?

I was bored...


Ummmmm......... I could do another story about a man who thought he was so smart that he spoke out against everyone elses thinking as he were aware himself even of their thoughts.

His conclusions and his statements suggest that he is the originator of the conclusion and others were pawns in a game that only he saw a clear path through...

But the maturity and greater wisdom of those whose vision had already imagined these conclusions of this man before he even knew there was a path.. they were the creators to bring such conclusion to such a point...

Well.. we also know what can you tell such a man?.. rolleyes
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 1st, 2010, 7:18pm

on Jun 26th, 2010, 6:10pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Icarus, trying to read the subtext here.. only a few possibilities for why you would be bothered..
would be you know who the players should be or you realise something that shouldn't be... ??


Yes, it is a consistent theme.... and a web that weaves you subconsiously over all this time. Or else it has substance.. which is it ?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jul 1st, 2010, 7:25pm

Tomi, you don't even know my conclusions you old noob. You don't know anything that is going on right now.

I do know your thoughts. You, and many here, are so predictable it's freaking hilarious.

It's like predicting what a dog would do when you show him food.

Your "maturity and widsom"... hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha

You waste your life chasing a hoax and hoaxer(s) because you think there might be something to it... what a waste of flesh you are.

You have as much wisdom as a fly. Your maturity is an act that you play because you submit to authority. As soon as you start talking in private, you curse and throw fits, and cry...



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 1st, 2010, 7:30pm

TBH I've never seen someone project so much of himself out onto others before as you do so transparently in your posts.. you miss even knowing who you are yourself. A little self knowledge would scare you too much I imagine.. so I sit and laugh at what you say or else just ignore it because often times you sound like someone who has a whole lot to learn... too!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jul 1st, 2010, 7:59pm

Project myself onto others? hahaha

Clueless ol' tomi, just doesn't, and will never, "get it".

She still thinks my words are me, oh such a stupid mistake.

Hey Tomi, do you know how freaking stupid you look after being fooled by multiple hoaxers and hoaxes? Really...You actually thought a CGI image was real!

Oh what basic wisdom you must not have in your possession. A wisdom that nature teaches every time you open your eyes, you are without!

So sad was the day we learned that Tomi is blind, and lacks such basic wisdom. Knowing this explains the additional wisdom she is lacking... and it's a long list.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jul 1st, 2010, 10:56pm

Ok this is my last post about this subject, for the rest of time.

Please do hold your applause when I exit. LOL

Listen, this hoax was solved long ago, years ago in fact. They already know the hoaxer, they already know the fake hoaxers, they already know the groupies, and they already know the honestly curious. They know it is just another hoax.

The answer to all your questions is classified as N.O.Y.F.B.

So here is the truth. You will be completely disappointed IF you ever have the power to solve your own questions about this hoax, and even more disappointed IF you figure out that you don't have the power to solve your own questions.

Any games you think are at play, or were at play over these past few years, is just that, child's play. It proves just how distracted all of you can get.

"Distracted from what?", you ask....

Distracted from what is really important.

...

I will now leave you all with a video to reflect on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6-iVz1R0o

It's been fun kids! See ya!

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by backlit on Jul 1st, 2010, 11:47pm

I think the fact that you left us with a worthless turd says a lot about you.

backlit
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jul 2nd, 2010, 12:18am

on Jul 1st, 2010, 11:47pm, backlit wrote:
I think the fact that you left us with a worthless turd says a lot about you.

backlit


If you think you deserve more than a worthless turd, then that says a lot about you.

cool

Goodbye lost ones.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 2nd, 2010, 01:31am

Lol Katt That was hilarious!!
If I had used the TV series I grew up with Mister Ed..i would have been buried in horse manure with a Jillion hits hahahaha!
The Myster part narrowed it down to just a handful..one page worth..so I just posted the remaining curiosities..
But that was excellent insight...nothing weird about That.
Outstanding and I do hope if his above post
was just a momentary lapse and emotional moment..
and answers your question...
Yet .. doesn't appear he wants closure as we do..and that is in the interest of helping solve future hoaxes and preventing the distortions of reality he seems to rail against at times..That he share more on the team aspect he has avoided so far...For sure there is no shortage of false prophets..on the horizon..Certainly we have enough for a huge database..already..with hoaxers outnumbering the sighting I'm sure..If someone is counting..
.He can do that with Dr Dil..who would be more objective among us..on whats important and not..and needed to be said here..in public..Certainly Sidd..gave him that opportunity too..to work constructively and in collaboration..
The Blog he has a great start..The humor angle..another..

But.. if Lev doesn't want us to think he is not just. a little bit devlish as he says he still is....but a a total one..and that this was just another contingency or disimulative machination to keep it going..Then
it should be easy..as the word prove is bandied about..to prove me wrong..

If he can't say or write in it in less than 500 words..or say it in 30 seconds than he's not going to say what we have been expecting without equivocation at all..and probably.. not worth reading any longer.

But it is as Nev said..that people do take advantage of the welcome mat and other peoples desire to be open minded and fair..to work their misdeeds..Its how cheaters work...
We become their virtual playground..
As hatefully as some think it was said..its true..
Nev was always a loose cannon..but he is his own person..
and I try to overlook the high noise..because answers may lie therein ..as it applies to Lev and the rest of the story..

I am sure ..we here have plenty of life experiences that have taught us..Stick with these types long enough.as charming as some may be .we become their enablers..






















Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 2nd, 2010, 04:43am

on Jul 2nd, 2010, 12:18am, neveleeleven wrote:
If you think you deserve more than a worthless turd, then that says a lot about you.

cool

Goodbye lost ones.


A famous person once said:

"How will we ever know who wanted who to know that they knew that they knew something they wanted someone to know they knew."
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 2nd, 2010, 05:49am

on Jul 2nd, 2010, 04:43am, SiddReader wrote:
A famous person once said:

"How will we ever know who wanted who to know that they knew that they knew something they wanted someone to know they knew."


Oh, I just don't know...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 2nd, 2010, 08:13am

OK folks, I am aghast with the witness 'TED' over at 'that other place,' to wit:

Ted just saw a composite of the 'Lake Tahoe' drone with 2 drone images side by side and HE ACTUALLY BELIEVED THAT THERE WERE TWO FLYING TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME!


And THEN he says:

"I have much to learn about all these other sightings and the research being done. My sighting has been the sole object of my attention for too long. Time to learn about all the others now."

AND

now they are mapping out Lake Tahoe...and so on and so forth three years after the fact...deja vu all over again...

OY!

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jul 2nd, 2010, 11:53am

on Jul 2nd, 2010, 08:13am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
OK folks, I am aghast with the witness 'TED' over at 'that other place,' to wit:

Ted just saw a composite of the 'Lake Tahoe' drone with 2 drone images side by side and HE ACTUALLY BELIEVED THAT THERE WERE TWO FLYING TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME!




User Image


Holy SCC!



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 2nd, 2010, 12:22pm

Thats right!
I don't think Ted would know if it was a stack of drones parked on top of a Bible
Lol Marv...Klat makes a great caption for a 2 for1 Yard sale..hoping someone will buy it. Then keep saying wait till we do the mapping ..after all they are the self appointed experts..
It just proves how suggestible all these wannabe witnesses were for the DRT..when you have an LMH- Noory type interviewers asking and giving the leading questions..soon enough a major gaff like that happens..
Im sure they can put all these bloopers together and do something with them ..just like the movies do.

When the string has too much slack..the carrot won't dangle


If he doesn't know by his own admission anything about anything else..and shows us here he doesn't know even what he is looking at is the essence of pure stupidity and the mortar that makes up their foundation.

Like Isaac..better go back to the drawing board.
LoL Marv..even Sarah Connors was laying flat on the canvass passed out ike a little girl when she saw those.
..fitting ending for that episode.


cheesy


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 2nd, 2010, 12:28pm

LOL I had no idea that drones were in TSCC.
That made me laugh a little.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 2nd, 2010, 5:39pm

What we really need - and my computer imaging skilz are not so hot right now - for someone to make up a quick "Dronie People Chart" similar to this kindasorta familiar-looking pic someone found way back when on OMF:

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That might be fun to look at, and most certainly would help drone newbie apprecionados like CA519705950 see 'who is whom' and 'what cometh from what.'

(note: My apologies Dr. Dil if this should appropriately have gone in the Drone Humor thread.)
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 2nd, 2010, 5:46pm

I could make a chart like that, but it's unnecessary imho - DRT has a good listing of events on their Wiki which seems pretty unbiased, unlike the rest of the site.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 2nd, 2010, 6:13pm

on Jul 2nd, 2010, 5:46pm, CA519705950 wrote:
I could make a chart like that, but it's unnecessary imho - DRT has a good listing of events on their Wiki which seems pretty unbiased, unlike the rest of the site.


I take it then you have not been to dronehoax.com?
There is more meat and potatoes on that site than you could shake a stick at, son.

(Edit to add: I see you did visit that site CA as you said this on June 30th: ..."I have visited dronehoax.com before (I check it every now and then just to read random bits) and it does a good job of making all the drone images look fake. I didn't notice a lot of the things that had been pointed out." Don't know about your opine about making them 'look fake' since they already were fake to begin with...)


As per the diagram suggestion, I really and truely meant to illustrate the PEOPLE enmeshed in the drone saga, not simply the linear events of the hoax (or 'apparent hoax' if you must call yourself undecided).

What does a teenager like yourself think when the people here use terms of derision like 'turd' or worse and show obvious disrespect, sheer disdain, and utter interpersonal trashtalk?

Everyone has something to say, a point of view, and there is always a truth behind a lie to be found if you look deeply enough.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 2nd, 2010, 6:49pm

on Jul 2nd, 2010, 6:13pm, Klatunictobarata wrote:
I take it then you have not been to dronehoax.com?
There is more meat and potatoes on that site than you could shake a stick at, son.

(Edit to add: I see you did visit that site CA as you said this on June 30th: ..."I have visited dronehoax.com before (I check it every now and then just to read random bits) and it does a good job of making all the drone images look fake. I didn't notice a lot of the things that had been pointed out." Don't know about your opine about making them 'look fake' since they already were fake to begin with...)


As per the diagram suggestion, I really and truely meant to illustrate the PEOPLE enmeshed in the drone saga, not simply the linear events of the hoax (or 'apparent hoax' if you must call yourself undecided).

What does a teenager like yourself think when the people here use terms of derision like 'turd' or worse and show obvious disrespect, sheer disdain, and utter interpersonal trashtalk?

Everyone has something to say, a point of view, and there is always a truth behind a lie to be found if you look deeply enough.

That's my point about dronehoax.com - it shows that the drone images are fake. It makes it clear and does a good job of making it clear. But of course, as you say yourself, everyone has an opinion...
I see what you mean about the diagram, I guess I misinterpreted your suggestion. It would be a good idea, though I think a written document with some images to illustrate/explain, rather than a huge, 5000x5000PX annotated diagram which would take a long time to load and play hell with scrolling in a browser, would be better.

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What does a teenager like yourself think when the people here use terms of derision like 'turd' or worse and show obvious disrespect, sheer disdain, and utter interpersonal trashtalk?

In all honesty, I don't think much. I don't really judge people and those comments don't really have any effect on me. Not sure if they have any effect on the person they're directed at but hey. Why did you put emphasis on my age or agegroup here?

Quote:
Everyone has something to say, a point of view, and there is always a truth behind a lie to be found if you look deeply enough.

I'm a little lost... what are you trying to get at here?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 2nd, 2010, 7:03pm

Hey Klatt that was some funny stuff you posted and was right on time with my new signature..which actually if read totally answers why we will never see Linda, George, nor Whitley ever respond to the hard questions in this case nor the past fiascos they were confronted with..even when people lose their lives after relying on ther bogus remote viewer programs like in the Heavens gate scandal.. hiding under the legal protection accorded entertainment programs.and I did find it somewhat refreshing..

Ca5 just started and has an interesting background in gaming..displays an unusual maturity for a 16 year old..
And as a gamer and having done cursory attempts at laptop surveys in a predominantly juvenile audience..shows an understanding of games, game machines , and computers..understanding coding as well as product development and upcoming releases. timetables, and application and warez such as at EA conventions. He understands well also when something as per his posts elseewhere..outlived its usefulness..The history all seems to stop at late 2009.
At 2007 he would have been 13..though I wonder why after age it says Frias is that like frozen or ice? just curious..I try to keep up with vernacular ..language as we know it is definitely evolving..key buzzwords..can id one from generation..time..whatever//

Salty talk is nothing new to him in that environment..
No he is not naive.He understands well .DRT has no choice but to put an accurate timeline..its a skeleton of sorts..but what he found at the DRT was correct..biased flesh on those bones..especially as everyone including members here ATS OM were watching ..and had the same info..so they will all tend to be alike.
So I can say that There is a program like that breaks down the links and branching between players..
The FBI has one too..As well as Marketeers and SEO
's which either H20 or that wayne the whip guy at Caret was.
I would say Ca5 would probably retaliate if necessary with something clever like this.

U've been Bslapped!
User Image
The way I post Fail or u've been Pawned!

would I be correct Ca5?
Out of curiosity What do those numbers stand for..?





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 2nd, 2010, 7:56pm

I have the feeling that I'm being mocked which doesn't really surprise me, but to hell with it...

on Jul 2nd, 2010, 7:03pm, Sysconfig wrote:
Ca5 just started and has an interesting background in gaming..displays an unusual maturity for a 16 year old..
And as a gamer and having done cursory attempts at laptop surveys in a predominantly juvenile audience..shows an understanding of games, game machines , and computers..understanding coding as well as product development and upcoming releases. timetables, and application and warez such as at EA conventions. He understands well also when something as per his posts elseewhere..outlived its usefulness..The history all seems to stop at late 2009.
At 2007 he would have been 13..though I wonder why after age it says Frias is that like frozen or ice? just curious..I try to keep up with vernacular ..language as we know it is definitely evolving..key buzzwords..can id one from generation..time..whatever//

Salty talk is nothing new to him in that environment..
No he is not naive.He understands well .DRT has no choice but to put an accurate timeline..its a skeleton of sorts..but what he found at the DRT was correct..biased flesh on those bones..especially as everyone including members here ATS OM were watching ..and had the same info..so they will all tend to be alike.
So I can say that There is a program like that breaks down the links and branching between players..
The FBI has one too..As well as Marketeers and SEO
's which either H20 or that wayne the whip guy at Caret was.
I would say Ca5 would probably retaliate if necessary with something clever like this.

U've been Bslapped!
Snip
The way I post Fail or u've been Pawned!

would I be correct Ca5?
Out of curiosity What do those numbers stand for..?

Where it says 'From:', I put 'age Frais' which, if read as words, reads 'Fromage Frais' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fromage_frais.

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He understands well also when something as per his posts elseewhere..outlived its usefulness..The history all seems to stop at late 2009.

What do you mean by this? Sorry hehe, I found it a little hard to interpret.

Quote:
I would say Ca5 would probably retaliate if necessary with something clever like this.

U've been Bslapped!

Eh, nope. Hypnotoad isn't really my thing and if I have to act like a jerk, I can do far better. Or worse, depending on what way you look at it.

Quote:
Out of curiosity What do those numbers stand for..?

http://www.watch-thexfiles-online.com/Watch_The_X-Files_Online_Season_2_Episode_1_Little_Green_Men.html.
Source 2, 00:28:34 in, listen to what Dana says. The '705' always puzzled me but I went with 0 instead of O.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 3rd, 2010, 12:34am

on Jul 2nd, 2010, 7:56pm, CA519705950 wrote:
I have the feeling that I'm being mocked which doesn't really surprise me, but to hell with it...


Where it says 'From:', I put 'age Frais' which, if read as words, reads 'Fromage Frais' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fromage_frais.


What do you mean by this? Sorry hehe, I found it a little hard to interpret.


Eh, nope. Hypnotoad isn't really my thing and if I have to act like a jerk, I can do far better. Or worse, depending on what way you look at it.


http://www.watch-thexfiles-online.com/Watch_The_X-Files_Online_Season_2_Episode_1_Little_Green_Men.html.
Source 2, 00:28:34 in, listen to what Dana says. The '705' always puzzled me but I went with 0 instead of O.


No way Mocking bro.I'm assuming you are male per the info at the GB site..
http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showuser=134396
and the comments referred to there..It was fun reading! Though some stuff has to be left under the cover and not mentioned here..its a totally legit and appropriate there..
and nothing wrong posting a female avatar..lol..i've done it a myriad times...I mean that seriously..And I love Gilian Anderson too!I/m merely telling Klatt you are highly intelligent and know what the scoop is when it comes understanding whats phony,at least from your objectivity demonstrated at that site.. whats real.. whats a good game whats a decent product..as per your posts at GBtemp//thats all..and shouldn''t let your age be an obstacle here..No one's belittling you..What I said was to enlighten the others not familiar with your background..what little there is....and not wishing to hold hands..I can assure them right here and now..you hardly need that..
We have quite a few that came as trolls.Even a hermit the frog...lol...posted weird temp backgrounds to give shallow history..you know what I mean..I certainly don't think you fall in that category..
You can take that to the bank..although nowadays we have to be choosy which one.

and thanx for explaining the From age cheese thing ..The play on words was simply delightful....simply delightful..! I can tell you have a promising future ahead of you! I bet no one at your blog site has been able to figure that out either. And a double Duh on me ca5 should be CAS ? xfikes cas just curious..
Xfiles wolverines.feral wolverine...lol..I wish I had that stuff growing up..You really do have a deep and rich experience in the Best of sci fi. (arggh...Sy Fy now)
Did you know SCC was allegedly a tribute not to the drones but to Xfiles Chris Carter? You could hardly tell..but I do miss Scc and Summer Glau..and that delicious Ms Weaver..

Say..will you be shooting off firewoks over the weekend holiday ? Now you handle them carefully son.. .I had some roman candles blow up right in my face..always warn folx and their youngins to be careful..

In Peace
Sys

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 3rd, 2010, 04:11am

Quote:
No way Mocking bro.I'm assuming you are male per the info at the GB site..
http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showuser=134396
and the comments referred to there..It was fun reading! Though some stuff has to be left under the cover and not mentioned here..its a totally legit and appropriate there..

Ah, I see... sorry that I misinterpreted.
Yeah, the problem with using distinctive usernames is that it leaves a huge online trail for PIs to pick up and snoop on. It's something I've considered before but haven't been bothered by it... it's all a part of my character I suppose. Google is a powerful tool and I'm glad to see someone has the initiative to use it.
Haha, yeah... GBAtemp is pretty lenient when it comes to rules. As long as you're posting in 'The Edge of the Forum'
- the spam zone - then you're pretty much good to post whatever as long as there are no vulgar pictures or abuse to staff members. It's a good site, but if you're looking for serious discussion, GBAtemp isn't the place to be unless you only want serious discussion about consoles. It's good to be on UFO Casebook since people here are mature and you can have a good conversation or debate. I've been told by several people that I'm 'old headed' and while that's true, I'm not a 'super serious' person. Just like anyone I have a silly streak and enjoy immature or crude humour... but my sense of humour is strange and a lot of the time, I take it seriously when people joke around me which isn't to great.
As for my gaming 'hobbie' - it's one of the first interests I developed. I had an N64 when I was two or four or something and we never really bought many games for it, being a not-so-rich family. I played Super Mario 64 on the N64 up until I was like 8, so I spent around 4-6 years playing the game. It was only when I was 8 that I realised I had to get the stars, and that was when I completed it. I spent all my time before that running around aimlessly, collecting coins and stuff. It was good fun, that game is still my favourite game of all time. I pretty much know it inside out.
I like games because of the atmosphere. I've always thought that I can feel atmosphere more than others... well, 'feel' isn't the right word, but I can appreciate it more. People I know don't appreciate it, don't even take notice of it. Games like Resident Evil and Mario have a lot of atmosphere which is why I love them... same goes for my music tastes - I like any music that creates an atmosphere.
Modern-day games just don't cut it for atmosphere. Occasionally you get one or two, like new Resident Evils or something, but generally, new games aren't good like that.

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and nothing wrong posting a female avatar..lol..i've done it a myriad times...I mean that seriously..And I love Gilian Anderson too!

I have a female in my avatar (Kirsten Dunst) because she's pretty. I was going to use a different avatar originally but none were the right size so I just used a random one. Haha, yeah, Gillian Anderson is a hottie. Especially in The X-Files... I've got a thing for redheads.

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I/m merely telling Klatt you are highly intelligent and know what the scoop is when it comes understanding whats phony,at least from your objectivity demonstrated at that site.. whats real.. whats a good game whats a decent product..as per your posts at GBtemp//thats all..and shouldn''t let your age be an obstacle here..No one's belittling you..What I said was to enlighten the others not familiar with your background..what little there is....and not wishing to hold hands..I can assure them right here and now..you hardly need that..

Ah, I understand. I can't say I'm a genius... academically, literacy, humanities and languages (like History, Religious Studies, French etc.) are my strengths, but when it comes down to things like Science and Maths, I really do have a hard time learning. The reason for that is because I'm an 'understanding' person - to remember and be good at something, I have to understand it. Like in History, I know why WWII started because I have an understanding into it. Whereas in Maths, we're given formulae to use and just told to remember it, without understanding why we have to use it, and that puzzles me.

Quote:
We have quite a few that came as trolls.Even a hermit the frog...lol...posted weird temp backgrounds to give shallow history..you know what I mean..I certainly don't think you fall in that category..
You can take that to the bank..although nowadays we have to be choosy which one.

Hm, I can see this forum getting a lot of trolling. It's unfortunate but you just don't feed them lol. I'm certainly not here to troll and I'm sorry if anyone feels that I am or already have. I'm here to discuss and learn about one of my interests.

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and thanx for explaining the From age cheese thing ..The play on words was simply delightful....simply delightful..! I can tell you have a promising future ahead of you! I bet no one at your blog site has been able to figure that out either. And a double Duh on me ca5 should be CAS ? xfikes cas just curious..

Nope, it should be Cee-Ay-Five-One-Nine-Seven-Zero-Five-Nine-Five-O... that's what Dana reads out over the telephone.

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Xfiles wolverines.feral wolverine...lol..I wish I had that stuff growing up..You really do have a deep and rich experience in the Best of sci fi. (arggh...Sy Fy now)
Did you know SCC was allegedly a tribute not to the drones but to Xfiles Chris Carter? You could hardly tell..but I do miss Scc and Summer Glau..and that delicious Ms Weaver..

Haha, my FeralWolverine Photobucket account goes back years. I think I set it up when I was 12 or something. I've used so many usernames in the past it's unreal. I'm sticking to this one now though, I feel content with it.
I've always like superheroes, specifically Marvel characters. Spider-Man was always my favourite followed closely by X-Men. The Spider-Man movies were great... well, the first two. I think Kirsten Dunst was the first woman I'd ever looked at and thought was hot. It's a shame that they're remaking the Spider-Man films and using a new cast... I don't think anyone will make Mary Jane look cuter or hotter than Kirsten did.
No I didn't know that, it's pretty interesting. Unfortunately I've not watched SCC, though I'd like to one day. Summer Glau isn't really my type but she's kind of cute wink.

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Say..will you be shooting off firewoks over the weekend holiday ? Now you handle them carefully son.. .I had some roman candles blow up right in my face..always warn folx and their youngins to be careful..

In Peace
Sys

Uh, nope. Why would I hehe? Is it a celebration weekend or something? smiley.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 3rd, 2010, 04:59am

Its the day the UK got rid of those annoying..colonial welfare..dependents from the Empire..Booted them..Right out the house!!
Independence day! ..Surely a cause for celebration over there! hehe..I am curious..How is that history interpreted over there>
If you watch all the old Japanese monster movies.Godzilla..(the original yes..sequels no..)Rodan..Mothra..Mysterians..lol there is never a US military...barely a mention of the us..None of their monsters would have lasted 10 minutes..Had we been scripted in..
I'm sure for the Russians they won the war..say..Why would should you be worried about PIs..
I tell You if the LMH and C2c Vetted their guests.Half the crap floating online ..like this hoax was..would not be..period. Imagine all that extra bandwith available..

It would be nice if we had anti pollution clean airwaves act..something holding entertainers more accountable..Thats just me. I like mostly trance type music..stuff like by Tangerine Dream..like they did in the movie the Keep..
Thanx for understanding also..


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 3rd, 2010, 07:06am

Came across this. Its a new one for me. Unless I missed it the drones were not on their famous hoax list?

http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2010/07/why-do-people-join-cults/

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 3rd, 2010, 08:11am

on Jul 3rd, 2010, 04:11am, CA519705950 wrote:
Ah, I see... sorry that I misinterpreted.
Yeah, the problem with using distinctive usernames is that it leaves a huge online trail for PIs to pick up and snoop on. It's something I've considered before but haven't been bothered by it... it's all a part of my character I suppose. Google is a powerful tool and I'm glad to see someone has the initiative to use it.

<snip>

Meh, just do what I do and go for overkill.. (45,000 + and counting!!)


Cheers. grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 3rd, 2010, 08:45am

on Jul 3rd, 2010, 07:06am, Gort wrote:
Came across this. Its a new one for me. Unless I missed it the drones were not on their famous hoax list?

http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2010/07/why-do-people-join-cults/

Hi Gort,

I was just reading Jake Reason's response(ish laugh) over at OM.

What famous hoax list?

Thats an article about Cults isnt it?

They were amongst the first to specifically question the ridiculous nature of the Drones & the anonymous witnesses and also published Colin Bennetts article which was wrote exclusively about the Drone-hoax (i.e. being an internet meme).


Cheers. smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 3rd, 2010, 09:28am

on Jul 3rd, 2010, 08:45am, DrDil wrote:
Hi Gort,

I was just reading Jake Reason's response(ish laugh) over at OM.

What famous hoax list?

Thats an article about Cults isnt it?

They were amongst the first to specifically question the ridiculous nature of the Drones & the anonymous witnesses and also published Colin Bennetts article which was wrote exclusively about the Drone-hoax (i.e. being an internet meme).


Cheers. smiley


Its more than just cults.

they have a forum

http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=14&sid=46d5e3025677c5095ee064e4bf521737


Sure has om stirred up, like someone sticking a bees nest.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 3rd, 2010, 10:55am

on Jul 3rd, 2010, 09:28am, Gort wrote:
Its more than just cults.

they have a forum

http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=14&sid=46d5e3025677c5095ee064e4bf521737


Sure has om stirred up, like someone sticking a bees nest.

Hi again Gort,

Oh I know, Ive been posting on this topic at OM and Im also a member (lurk mode) of the RU forum you linked to as well as AMKON where until recently Murnut was exclusively offering his retorts to the OM staff and a couple of persistent members who were/are advocates of the Source A personna (since Mur was banned a while ago). In fact I had several posts on the last three pages of the 300+ page thread at OM which they nuked a few hours ago (and then locked the thread).

Theres a thread on it here and where I posted the following a while ago (and which references OM in a less than friendly fashion):

on May 22nd, 2010, 07:15am, DrDil wrote:
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Ufology Exopolitics Special: Source A Exposed!

Hold the Pickles and the Special Source

What is Source A?

(May 20, 2010)

"Source A is allegedly an active-duty officer in the United States Navy with a long and illustrious career, spanning nearly 40 years at sea. Nothing remarkable about that, surely? Well, as soon as you factor in the information that this particular individual liaises with Extra Terrestrial races on behalf of the UN, his career suddenly takes on a much more remarkable angle. The aforementioned ETs allegedly have a direct political involvement in our (human) affairs, but damn, I dont remember voting reptilian!

The fantastical story as told by Source A is a huge hit amongst the Exopolitical crowd, for obvious reasons. One would be forgiven for thinking that this particular story couldnt have come along at a better time for people like Salla, Greer, Webre, Komarek et al. Two previously little known individuals, brothers by the names of Clay and Shawn Pickering, are solely to thank for catapulting this story onto an unsuspecting public in early 2008 and they have been keeping us updated ever since. Their unflinching devotion to the message is a credit to their stamina and willpower. The many obvious flaws in the story have been pointed out to them countless times, yet still they remain, still they continue. They have of course been helped by the venue they have chosen to promote this exopolitical wet dream; the Open Minds forum.

The Open Minds forum is well known throughout the ufological community as a place for fantasists and would-be-hoaxers to peddle their wares in comfort and without fear of reprisal. Many of those OM members who have cried foul at the Pickerings claims, have found themselves summarily suspended and in some cases permanently banned for their troubles.

How fitting then, that it would be there that the significant first nail in the coffin of the Source A disclosure would be hammered home. They just didnt know it yet.


Article continues at RealityUncovered

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(Kudos to Jed, Mur et al!!
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However I was specifically referring to your quote where you mentioned a hoax list or more precisely the lacking of any Drone accolades, this is why I said the page you linked to was _only_ an article about cults as I was in fact only referring to that page.

I was aware of their other activities and sections of the website.


Cheers. smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 3rd, 2010, 11:37am

Thanks for the info - we see it again and again


I liked this comment

"One can only hope the birthday girl did humanity a favour and threw away the key.."
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 4th, 2010, 04:42am

Wow is all I can say.. :
http://www.serpo.info/

See, I had no idea at all of this background everyone has over at ATS and OM and RU. No wonder everyone is the way they are now accusing others and looking for motives of deception etc. in the drone saga, etc.

What I still can't make out though.. Was there any real CIA involvement that was of any real substance?

Just thinking, it seemed ripe to throw the drone saga out into that mix in the middle of 2007. Looking back now, I'm wondering if some group targeted this community because it was ripe for maximum play based on the production already in full swing wrt the serpo story.

I never got interested in knowing too much about serpo, to me, after reading one of those releases that contained a brief to Regan, I thought to myself.. this is really really bad fiction.. Why is everyone so caught up in this?

But now, what confuses me is why there has to be hard feelings about these 5 people who were with RU and the admins at OM? Everyone got deceived, right?

Is it because of tactics used? Well I would say that if people are seeking the truth, than that is where these deceptions originated, not from malice. Malice comes from the original deceptors, and it seems that they are the people who get excuses made for them, because their "smiling faces, etc." instill strong beliefs, which then becomes the motivating factor driving the division when all should be seeking the truth for themselves.

Nobody has a blue print for life, we learn as we go along. Maybe it is time for everyone to stop having enemies and look harder at the integrity of people who instigated these beliefs to begin with.

I can see now why people thought the DRT or the PI's were suspect, I know the truth and say it since I was there at the inception of it and suggesed getting the PI's to begin with, it was just a group of us trying to solve the drone case. Now, after reading this serpo link, I know why people don't believe the obvious truth I suppose..

Too seasoned in deception by the previous experience.
If I sound naive so be it. Prior deception however is no excuse for not seeing the truth when it does come.

On the other hand, IMO, when witnesses or people like Icarus or VC come into the mix, we need to keep the door open and welcome whatever insight we can get.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 4th, 2010, 05:43am

on Jul 4th, 2010, 04:42am, tomi01uk wrote:
Wow is all I can say.. :
http://www.serpo.info/

See, I had no idea at all of this background everyone has over at ATS and OM and RU. No wonder everyone is the way they are now accusing others and looking for motives of deception etc. in the drone saga, etc.

What I still can't make out though.. Was there any real CIA involvement that was of any real substance?

Just thinking, it seemed ripe to throw the drone saga out into that mix in the middle of 2007. Looking back now, I'm wondering if some group targeted this community because it was ripe for maximum play based on the production already in full swing wrt the serpo story.

I never got interested in knowing too much about serpo, to me, after reading one of those releases that contained a brief to Regan, I thought to myself.. this is really really bad fiction.. Why is everyone so caught up in this?

But now, what confuses me is why there has to be hard feelings about these 5 people who were with RU and the admins at OM? Everyone got deceived, right?

Is it because of tactics used? Well I would say that if people are seeking the truth, than that is where these deceptions originated, not from malice. Malice comes from the original deceptors, and it seems that they are the people who get excuses made for them, because their "smiling faces, etc." instill strong beliefs, which then becomes the motivating factor driving the division when all should be seeking the truth for themselves.

Nobody has a blue print for life, we learn as we go along. Maybe it is time for everyone to stop having enemies and look harder at the integrity of people who instigated these beliefs to begin with.

I can see now why people thought the DRT or the PI's were suspect, I know the truth and say it since I was there at the inception of it and suggesed getting the PI's to begin with, it was just a group of us trying to solve the drone case. Now, after reading this serpo link, I know why people don't believe the obvious truth I suppose..

Too seasoned in deception by the previous experience.
If I sound naive so be it. Prior deception however is no excuse for not seeing the truth when it does come.

On the other hand, IMO, when witnesses or people like Icarus or VC come into the mix, we need to keep the door open and welcome whatever insight we can get.

Hi Tomi,

Yeah, first SERPO then the Drones and now Source A

Whether its OMF, BOT, RU, AMKON, ATS or here at UFOCB I believe you have to ask yourself whats the common denominator? Or a more revealing line of questioning may be at what point when does allowing someone a public platform to voice their claims become actively sponsoring disinformation and/or a hoax being perpetrated on the very community I/you/we/us/them claim to be a part of?

Perhaps the tipping point is when you start banning and censoring dissenting points of view?

Fool me once, fool on you,
Fool me twice, fool on me.


But fool me three times and counting?

One would hope that even the most trusting of persons would have to step back and see the bigger picture (as it were!! kiss) And after doing so the natural progression would surely be to ask yourself where are the few places than any of these claims are are lent any credence whatsoever (never mind still attaching ANY importance to ALL of them)?

Im not criticising any groups or websites here but merely sharing what I believe is the main bone of contention behind all of the bad blood that you allude to and which I agree was first highlighted and dragged into the public eye with the SERPO story.

And as for being too seasoned by deception thats hardly the point or even a valid observation is it?

Whats the difference between that and being experienced in recognising an obvious deception? I don't look for signs of deception but if I see them I won't/don't pretend that it's just not there.

And as for the characters you mention, well, if they had at any juncture prior to the Drone release even hinted at their involvement in anything remotely related then you may have a point.

But for them all to inject themselves (i.e. by their own hand) into the unfolding drama after the original release and in my opinion none of them doing so convincingly (or with any corroborative evidence at all)?

Well, whilst perhaps anyone who thinks they are acting in good faith may not necessarily be nave per se, I would certainly say that they are far too trusting and perhaps even to the point of being wilfully nave..


Cheers. smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 4th, 2010, 06:13am

Hi DrDil, You have lost me a bit here, and I imagine I'm not the only one without enough background, so if it doesn't stir up any hornets nests could you explain a bit more of what I will ask below:

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And as for being too seasoned by deception thats hardly the point or even a valid observation is it?



What I meant above was the exposure to deception made everyone seasoned to expect deception from all quarters.

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Whats the difference between that and being experienced in recognising an obvious deception? I don't look for signs of deception but if I see them I won't/don't pretend that it's just not there.



And justly so IMO.

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And as for the characters you mention, well, if they had at any juncture prior to the Drone release even hinted at their involvement in anything remotely related then you may have a point.



Here is where I'm confused. I was speaking about those who were listed in that link above who are associated with RU now. I don't think they have any interest in the drone saga. And I sure wouldn't expect them to have instigated it. But you never did say to my question was there any real substance behind the CIA links in that story. I mean real substance... where did that serpo story originate from? A bunch of lackeys with loose gov connections wannabee's I would guess but hardly a serious IC operation is my best guess. If they were involved at all.. which I doubt.

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But for them all to inject themselves (i.e. by their own hand) into the unfolding drama after the original release and in my opinion none of them doing so convincingly (or with any corroborative evidence at all)?



Still confused here. Sorry.

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Well, whilst perhaps anyone who thinks they are acting in good faith may not necessarily be nave per se, I would certainly say that they are far too trusting and perhaps even to the point of being wilfully nave..


Cheers. smiley


If you mean those who are suspending their critical judgement in lieu of a belief that supports the Source A sources and the IC fall back plan.... then yes .. I agree. If that is what you meant. That is what I meant by "smiling faces" and the video. I mean come on guys.. gonna speak frankly here... But that Pickering really laid it on thick about that lunchen.. doesn't that tell anybody something is smelly in Pittsburg.. wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 4th, 2010, 06:20am

Hi Tomi,

The only characters I was referencing were those you mentioned by name.

How many others do you know of who have tried to inject themselves into the Drone proceedings if not Lev & the 'IA boys'?


Cheers.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 4th, 2010, 06:25am

on Jul 4th, 2010, 06:20am, DrDil wrote:
Hi Tomi,

The only characters I was referencing were those you mentioned by name.

How many others do you know of who have tried to inject themselves into the Drone proceedings if not Lev & the 'IA boys'?


Cheers.


Sorry, still not understanding what it is you mean. But I suppose those who are interested in the drone saga were contaminated by the previous deceptions that then got transferred to the motives of pure inquiry and group/self discovery still in place now with the drone saga.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 4th, 2010, 06:34am

on Jul 4th, 2010, 06:25am, tomi01uk wrote:
Sorry, still not understanding what it is you mean. But I suppose those who are interested in the drone saga were contaminated by the previous deceptions that then got transferred to the motives of pure inquiry and group/self discovery still in place now with the drone saga.


Forget all about SERPO, Source A & the other websites, I was merely echoing your acknowledgement of why the fierce rivalry exists.

I was specifically talking about your following sentence:

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THESE ARE THE CHARACTERS, and as I said, the only two you named.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 4th, 2010, 06:34am

Ok I understand now what you were saying. Sorry for the confusion. Re the drone saga, it is a masterpiece that enables a wide range of speculation. With no tangibles in human form yet. So wide ranging in speculation that IMO wheels within wheels could be behind this and I don't rule anyone out yet except Kermit.

But I do try to keep an eye on ppl who came in after its debut and have kept close ever since and seem to have no inquisitive motive for being here smiley

Just found this: What a rabbit hole..
http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2009/03/

I guess the drones are a continuation of that "philosophy" of back engineering etc.. and if there is some elite group engineering this (wild speculation?) being circulated out into the forums, the drones was either a gift from them or a gift to them.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 4th, 2010, 06:38am

on Jul 4th, 2010, 06:34am, tomi01uk wrote:
Who instigated this SERPO story ? Were real gov goofs ever substanciated? Or is this another part of the background that gives good fantasy?

It's reasonably caimed that it was from Rick Doty & via VM.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 4th, 2010, 07:29am

on Jul 4th, 2010, 04:42am, tomi01uk wrote:
Wow is all I can say.. :
http://www.serpo.info/



Wow indeed...this here is like the chart I kinda-sorta was hinting at, but the one I had in mind was more LAP-diagram-ish:

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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 4th, 2010, 07:35am

on Jul 4th, 2010, 06:38am, DrDil wrote:
It's reasonably caimed that it was from Rick Doty & via VM.


ANOTHER WOW!

Remember that Linda Moulton Howe had SUCH A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP with Richard Doty?

Her own words, right here:

ET Vehicles and Time Travel Technology
by Linda Moulton Howe


http://www.etfriends.com/conference/addinfo/howe.html
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 4th, 2010, 07:52am

It's such a rabbit hole. So much of it is fantasy and delusion. And yet some isn't. Reading that pdf now from Corso called "Dawn of a New Age". And info in that conflicts with what LMH had reported here by Ben Rich. It boggles my mind how anyone could cope with so many conflicting stories coming from so many qualified officials and executives... rolleyes And then the drones.... Yeah, she was targeted, seems to me they knew just where to deploy these stories out there to her and the right forums.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 4th, 2010, 07:58am

on Jul 4th, 2010, 07:35am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
ANOTHER WOW!

Remember that Linda Moulton Howe had SUCH A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP with Richard Doty?

Her own words, right here:

ET Vehicles and Time Travel Technology
by Linda Moulton Howe


http://www.etfriends.com/conference/addinfo/howe.html

Why do you think some of us gave her such a hard time?! laugh

Alas, yet again all is not as it seems. wink

Thats just the exterior of this particular rabbit-hole as it runs far deeper.

What that article doesnt tell you is that their 1983 was not long after the destruction of Bennewitz and also wasnt the first time genuine footage had been offered, and was in fact Doty once again hoaxing the UFO community, this time via LMH herself (who had just been offered a contract to do a UFO documentary by HBO). The difference being that this time Doty would at least appear to be carrying out a viable counter-intelligence sting operation.

Moore the REAL Bennewitz hoaxer- publicly commented on the debacle five years later, saying:

Quote:

"Because of Howe's interest in Bennewitz's work..elements within the intelligence community were concerned that the story of his having intercepted low-frequency, electro-magnetic emissions from the Coyote Canyon area of the Kirtland-Sandia complex would end up as part of a feature film. Since this, in turn, might influence others - possibly the Russians - to attempt similar experiments, someone in a control position apparently felt that it had to be stopped before it got out of hand."

The government seemed hell-bent on severing the ties that existed between Howe and HBO."



What a tangled web we weave..... grin


Cheers!!

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 4th, 2010, 08:12am

I'm afraid to ask... who is Moore?

Well.. maybe this is a start? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz

Or yet another deception tongue

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 4th, 2010, 08:35am

on Jul 4th, 2010, 08:12am, tomi01uk wrote:
I'm afraid to ask... who is Moore?

Well.. maybe this is a start? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz

Or yet another deception tongue


Wow... some more: Sorry about the pun..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Moore_(ufologist)

It used to be said "The pioneers are the ones with the arrows in their backs".. but I wonder now.. rolleyes


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 4th, 2010, 2:10pm

tomi is on the verge of an epiphany



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*Mod Edit Family website Gort*
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 4th, 2010, 2:36pm

So... whats your secret insight here? Why be putting my name on your post? IF YOU have the answers let's hear it. Did he put this out himself? Is this him? Did the IC set this up out there along with his facebook page? Is he an undercover spook? grin What's your ephipany?

I think I do see now why the information is the carrot that allows ppl to excuse this without walking away from the whole thing because it so tainted to begin with.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jul 4th, 2010, 2:46pm

That Serpo arena is a cesspool. tongue
There is no way anyone can confirm any of the claims being made. It is ripe for deception, story telling and a host of other nonsense (IMO).
It is a Soap Opera that relies on faith and wanna believes.
It looks and smells of bad religion and cult followings. Total waste of my time (again IMHO).
I believe more in professional wrestling, roller derby, cartoons, Lady GaGa and my fav WWN. cool

It evens stinks up the Drone saga. grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 4th, 2010, 6:03pm

You know, Dr. Dil, it would be absolutely fabulous to have a single drone thread mostly free from interpersonal strife, unabated humor, and general mockudom, but I thought we already HAD a drone humor thread elsewhere.

Clearly I slip up sometimes but in general try to adhere to the thrust of the thread I am participating in.

Hold my feet to the fire if I falter Dr. Dil.

(And a Happy 4th of July to all other Americans here!)

(user edited to remove poorly worded material)

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 4th, 2010, 6:39pm

on Jul 4th, 2010, 6:03pm, Klatunictobarata wrote:
You know, Dr. Dil, it would be absolutely fabulous to have a single drone thread mostly free from interpersonal strife, unabated humor, and general mockudom, but I thought we already HAD a drone humor thread elsewhere.

Clearly I slip up sometimes but in general try to adhere to the thrust of the thread I am participating in.

Hold my feet to the fire if I falter Dr. Dil.

Or perhaps I am asking a tad too much on this day the USA celebrates cutting subservient ties with the Motherland?

(And a Happy 4th of July to all other Americans here!)

Not sure what you mean as the last few posts were inadvertently instigated by Gort posting a link to an RU Blog-post on cults and asking why the Drones werent included in their list of hoaxes.

Tomi asked a couple of questions about SERPO which were answered as well as the obvious parallels which were drawn due to the misleading of LMH.

I thought you recognised as well as I do that the only way any discussion regarding the Drones progresses at all is due to overlooking the odd infraction by everyone who posts on these threads?

If youre talking specifically about the image posted then whilst the link itself was tenuous it was partially relevant due to the Source A saga which had just been discussed by Tomi (and of course the image was one of Source A).

The image may have perhaps been a little inappropriate but hardly worth of strict moderation such as deleting it or moving it to another thread entirely would entail.

If any of that is of course what you were referencing..

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 5th, 2010, 01:14am

on Jul 4th, 2010, 05:43am, DrDil wrote:
Hi Tomi,

Yeah, first SERPO then the Drones and now Source A

Whether its OMF, BOT, RU, AMKON, ATS or here at UFOCB I believe you have to ask yourself whats the common denominator? Or a more revealing line of questioning may be at what point when does allowing someone a public platform to voice their claims become actively sponsoring disinformation and/or a hoax being perpetrated on the very community I/you/we/us/them claim to be a part of?

Perhaps the tipping point is when you start banning and censoring dissenting points of view?

Fool me once, fool on you,
Fool me twice, fool on me.


But fool me three times and counting?

One would hope that even the most trusting of persons would have to step back and see the bigger picture (as it were!! kiss) And after doing so the natural progression would surely be to ask yourself where are the few places than any of these claims are are lent any credence whatsoever (never mind still attaching ANY importance to ALL of them)?

Im not criticising any groups or websites here but merely sharing what I believe is the main bone of contention behind all of the bad blood that you allude to and which I agree was first highlighted and dragged into the public eye with the SERPO story.

And as for being too seasoned by deception thats hardly the point or even a valid observation is it?

Whats the difference between that and being experienced in recognizing an obvious deception? I don't look for signs of deception but if I see them I won't/don't pretend that it's just not there.

And as for the characters you mention, well, if they had at any juncture prior to the Drone release even hinted at their involvement in anything remotely related then you may have a point.

But for them all to inject themselves (i.e. by their own hand) into the unfolding drama after the original release and in my opinion none of them doing so convincingly (or with any corroborative evidence at all)?

Well, whilst perhaps anyone who thinks they are acting in good faith may not necessarily be nave per se, I would certainly say that they are far too trusting and perhaps even to the point of being wilfully nave..


Cheers. smiley


Dr Dil..That's so eloquently put ...It should be bronzed. for Posterity..
willfully naive are such operative words..VC and Lev were are hardly welcome witnesses..they were active interlopers and one a proven or admiitted copycat ..and the other an admitted hoaxer..for whatever reason. the only gift I see given is a long line of trojan horses..If any gift taken..the trust broken time after time.. we placed on some of these websites to do he right things especially People at the media level like LMH and C2C The Icons of Ufology..and Whitley ..its almost a Vaticaan really complete with Pope and High Priestess..which like so much old relayered plaster of Paris..shatters and crumbles under stress..here the stress of scrutiny..
The Veil of Entertainment wont protect them now from the growing Buzz of public opinion..
Shorn away..to reveal the hydra and its nestlings..and no less exposed these websites like OM..paying their tithes to and receiving succor from .. and others fighting for scraps..others with the deals, books, and screenplays.
There are those who choose to describe this as a magnificent hoax as like paying homage to..admiration ..hardly..The Roman emperor Nero comes to mind..

I think Lev had Tomis posts as a Trophy..for gloating purposes..but I always wondered why he had one for Springer..as Lev hardly..to the best of my knowledge went there and engaged us. much less Springer..That was the one he declared hoax..You know the one I'm referring to Doc..
and it became evident to me he was most likely working both sides.
and whats fascinating is that other side didn't mind at all..
The same side that made its bed with OM like a chicks clutch under its mother..and protected zelously the same way..
As I said in my Roach post..turn on the lights and watch them scatter..

I may not be continuing much longer..for health reasons..But I will say it now before that moment comes upon me....its a real distinction knowing you sir...I saw the Heavens Video you posted..never knew you had it up..It's things like that that made hanging on this affair worth while..and its worthwhile seeing other peoples hard labor come to fruition..One can argue this will make some more cynical..I think. for me...It has redeemed my faith in people..and the ability of people to eventually see the "big Picture, even if for some it was straddled around their neck.. and for others...reach that singularity of excellence that cannot be tarnished..compromised..nor ever stopped..You certainly deserve that Dr.

I salute you

Highest Regards
Sys
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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 5th, 2010, 08:32am

Sorry and apologies Dr. Dil, I meant no personal disrespect to you.

I was recalling the last several pages of this thread beginning whence you first had to do some official moderating and the like.

If you see everything here being copacetic with all the other posters, I stand corrected and say thanks.

(The 4th of July comment was added as an afterthought for posters like Sys, Katt, and others who make these USA holiday greetings from time to time, here and there. I will edit out the unfunny bits and say sorry again.)


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 5th, 2010, 2:24pm

on Jul 5th, 2010, 01:14am, Sysconfig wrote:
Dr Dil..That's so eloquently put ...It should be bronzed. for Posterity..
willfully naive are such operative words..VC and Lev were are hardly welcome witnesses..they were active interlopers and one a proven or admiitted copycat ..and the other an admitted hoaxer..for whatever reason. the only gift I see given is a long line of trojan horses..If any gift taken..the trust broken time after time.. we placed on some of these websites to do he right things especially People at the media level like LMH and C2C The Icons of Ufology..and Whitley ..its almost a Vaticaan really complete with Pope and High Priestess..which like so much old relayered plaster of Paris..shatters and crumbles under stress..here the stress of scrutiny..
The Veil of Entertainment wont protect them now from the growing Buzz of public opinion..

Shorn away..to reveal the hydra and its nestlings..and no less exposed these websites like OM..paying their tithes to and receiving succor from .. and others fighting for scraps..others with the deals, books, and screenplays.

There are those who choose to describe this as a magnificent hoax as like paying homage to..admiration ..hardly..The Roman emperor Nero comes to mind..

I think Lev had Tomis posts as a Trophy..for gloating purposes..but I always wondered why he had one for Springer..as Lev hardly..to the best of my knowledge went there and engaged us. much less Springer..That was the one he declared hoax..You know the one I'm referring to Doc..and it became evident to me he was most likely working both sides.and whats fascinating is that other side didn't mind at all..

The same side that made its bed with OM like a chicks clutch under its mother..and protected zelously the same way..

As I said in my Roach post..turn on the lights and watch them scatter..

I may not be continuing much longer..for health reasons..But I will say it now before that moment comes upon me....its a real distinction knowing you sir...I saw the Heavens Video you posted..never knew you had it up..It's things like that that made hanging on this affair worth while..and its worthwhile seeing other peoples hard labor come to fruition..One can argue this will make some more cynical..I think. for me...It has redeemed my faith in people..and the ability of people to eventually see the "big Picture, even if for some it was straddled around their neck.. and for others...reach that singularity of excellence that cannot be tarnished..compromised..nor ever stopped..You certainly deserve that Dr.

I salute you

Highest Regards
Sys
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Thanks for the kind words Sys and Im sincerely sorry to hear of your ill-health. undecided

You've certainly had your moments of brilliance and I hope there are many more to come. And if you go on the missing-list again be sure and leave me a valid means of contact this time (but hopefully it wont be for quite a while yet.....)


Best regards old friend smiley,

Salutations, Greetings & Cheers!! cool

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 5th, 2010, 2:27pm

on Jul 5th, 2010, 08:32am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Sorry and apologies Dr. Dil, I meant no personal disrespect to you.

I was recalling the last several pages of this thread beginning whence you first had to do some official moderating and the like.

If you see everything here being copacetic with all the other posters, I stand corrected and say thanks.

(The 4th of July comment was added as an afterthought for posters like Sys, Katt, and others who make these USA holiday greetings from time to time, here and there. I will edit out the unfunny bits and say sorry again.)


M'kay.....

Although I'm sure you know that no apologies are necessary and I urge you to do whatever you feel is best (as its never failed you yet).


Cheers. smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CIAlater on Jul 6th, 2010, 5:31pm

Is Isaac at it again?

A new hoax seems to be in the works at ATS.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread590723/pg1

A guy by the name of "MolecularPhD" claims to have worked for the military reverse engineering space craft.

He tried to use ATS moderator "JohnyAnonymous" to verifiy his credentials so Johny can convince ATS he is real, but, it turns out that the MIT deploma he used was found on the internet. He also has another "Mesa" certifercate that was found on the internet too. This time with completly identical image artifacts.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread590723/pg14#pid9162241

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread590723/pg19#pid9162881

So, this guy made fake certifercates in order to hoax people into thinking he is the real deal.

I think he even used a name that he researched on the internet knowing people would research the same name and find stuff related to his hoax. He did this to fool more people into thinking he is real, and is background is real, but it's not even him.

He has a very identical writing style as Isaac too. He researches scientific terms and then bunches them together in a "word salad" in order to confuse those who are not scientificaly aware.

Also, the way he formatted his story is completely identical as Isaac's fortunecity web page.

Not to long ago he claimed to have invented a working time machine. Take a look at the "blue print" he claimed was a design concept he designed:

http://img689.imageshack.us/i/blueprintoflookingglass.jpg/

So this guy must know a little bit about graphics.

The style of the above blue print just looks way too familiar. It looks like he "tried too hard" in making it look complex and realistic. He over-did it with the useless graphs that most likely mean absolutly nothing, and are FOR SHOW.

Also, he claims to work in a lab in N. California.

This guy has so many similarities to Isaac that I felt the need to bring it to your attention just to see what you think. Could this be Isaac at it again? Trying to feel wanted, and special, and "in the know"?

Not only does this guy have a similiar writing style, and loves to use scientific "word salads". But he formats his stories the same, he provides "props" to help add realism to his role playing, and even bothered to make fake certifercates, fake deplomas, and fake blue prints. And to top it off he claims to work in N. California.

He also seems to be facinated with the Nazi bell stuff.

He also seems to have a fetish with "ufos" that are man-made, not alien.

There is just something about this guy that reminds me of Isaac. I wouldn't be suprised if Isaac was still out and about trying to convince people he is special by using lies.

What do you think?


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 6th, 2010, 6:32pm

on Jul 6th, 2010, 5:31pm, CIAlater wrote:
Is Isaac at it again?

What do you think?





Well, since you asked...

Let's see: Roswell anniversary a few days ago..suddenly a new poster here, a new message there...reading...is it Isaac...nah.

But perhaps someone will put this query over on the DRT site; I surely would like to see their opines.

But that's just me IMHO cool


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jul 6th, 2010, 6:46pm

on Jul 6th, 2010, 5:31pm, CIAlater wrote:
What do you think?

Not much. Let him file a patent on it.
Opps, I forgot, he can't do that because he will be disovered and eliminated.
Don't float my boat anymore and it's time for one of my favorite Fox shows straring Chef Ramsey "Hell's Kitchen".
The type of reality (and food) I enjoy. grin

Edit to add:
What is starting to become very old and obvious is the pratice of artistic presentation of technologies as a means to imply its validity. Pretty pictures, pleasing geometries, etc. and the list goes on.

If it looks "cool" it has to be real. Theorems, graphs, data plots are not always "artsy". How can it not be real if it pleases the eyes and mind.

The masses usually falls for it unfortunately.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 7th, 2010, 02:05am

Lol they tried to contaminate our peaceful thread at ATS..I just took a peek because Lev disappeared and I wanted to see what new faces suddenly appear as the year before..I dont think they got the welcome the expected..And that clown that posted tried using the same grammatical syntax like Isaac..lol...wordsalad is appropriate..try reading Attos tachimetric.tachyonic exercises.

This is hilarious this reminds me of John Carpenters Assault on Precinct 13 And yes as we said tining is everything..they pop up like daisies and our forums are precinct 13..hahah The terrorist marketing warlords. have declared war on sanity and have laid down a blood oath..Hoax or Die!!
They expected a new fresh crop of meat as usual each year..only us the bleacher bums are waiting in the rafters for them..Sid , Secretweb, Me , lol..!They like penetrating forums..lets see how hey like getting penetrated back..
The certificates ..background..phony Mensa Docs..that same self describing his works genius..like Engineeringtype, ArlingtonAcid., Jim..is also so famliar..what an ego..needs a lot of satiating for sure..meaning we will hea again..and again
A serial hoaxer..and getting more recognizable and sloppier as time goes by.


Well..its more than just us who got wiser..Good going Johnny Anonymous on the lockdown.. they have a snowballs chance in hell getting over this time.

Precinct 13 is ready..

The guy at the telephone booth looked like he was calling up Dr Dil..Doc..They are headed to your blog.!!



Yes Katt Techo Art is cool..whats amazing is take a circle..and you get using the ratio of its parts like circumference over diameterr,,and yiu get pi..These shmucks put it on a crop circle and say either ET or the collective consciousness did it..cause its a circle and you can get PI..and and ..maybe even sacred geometry from a triangle..Duhhh!

wink
And to be fair..

Lets look at Hamel

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First off..I think besides some grammar problems..forgivable..look at me..I was pretty darn sure the Earth was discovered to be round a little bit more than a hundred years ago ..not less..

Reasonable men can differ as to Genius and maybe even take issue with Einsteinian physics..just as Numbers did..

But
we have stop at the kryptonite. A screeching halt in fact!

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Why should we listen to a guy who wants to kill one of the greatest heroes of our time.
Superman.
No Sir Buddy..thats where we draw the line Pal..No way he's an American..or he is working closely with another mad scientist Lex Luthor.

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Bad marketeers, Rogue Engineers, Dumb journalists, Mad Scientists..horrendous mix..with the already too obvious consequence..A Massive Fail


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 7th, 2010, 08:05am

Not to change the subject too much, but I was updating myself on the droneteam wiki and went over to this page:

http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/Media

At the bottom of the page was a compendium of links to artists's and their "Drone case inspired fan works."

Not one link or mention of Lev or Leviathan so I searched the wiki and there's nary a mention of the dude.

Just an observation; make of it as you will.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 7th, 2010, 12:00pm

No Klatu , but he was in there with them like Casper the Friendly Ghost. in an out like a guest with carte blanche....and over here like white on rice..
I don't think at this point we should make this a Lev centric thread..He has his own blog now..and you know he will not be forthcoming with any answers,..he told us so..Isaac said same thing..and ,as even that lookalike poster did at ATS.thread now locked..he wanted people to wait stretch a what could be said in less than 500 words..All hoaxers fail on this. One doesn/t stretch for time when the CIA could break the door down any second..lol..you make a will..

Simultaneously you get the above Hamel..Not every Ghost is Lev..Lev is not every ghost...but the story as much as DRT wants it resurrected is dead..Let the dead bury their own dead..we all did enough by helping kill it..and its further sellability..

On a side note..I've been waiting for that thing you mentioned for 6 months now I'd pefer that. As a Librarian we have several large database subscription services, farm it out to 6 reference Librarians here who I can draw from....Rather do that than this back and forth and look over there at DRT crap. Let me know what you wanna do as I don't have the luxury of time..I'm serious Bro..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 8th, 2010, 1:53pm

Why I am not praised at DRT, no. I do not think it matters and the drone saga has indeed been worked to death. Something new must come along and wisdom shall direct its course. Maybe Source A or Serpo (is that how it is spelled). If any of you are waiting for disclosure, well.................
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 8th, 2010, 2:30pm

on Jul 8th, 2010, 1:53pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Why I am not praised at DRT, no. I do not think it matters and the drone saga has indeed been worked to death. Something new must come along and wisdom shall direct its course. Maybe Source A or Serpo (is that how it is spelled). If any of you are waiting for disclosure, well.................


Hey Paesano! Bentornato all'inferno grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 9th, 2010, 5:06pm

Well now that things are settling down a bit someone thinks its creepy.
He ain't seen nothing yet, has he Icarus wink

edit to add: your anticipated good humor here is appreciated grin

edit to add again: ehh.. no bite.. rolleyes and even one of your minions was never this bad! Still might be good to ask for proof its a girl wink

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=unitednations&action=display&thread=8275&page=26
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 9th, 2010, 7:21pm

Well in my case they certainly did drive black Cadillacs that were shinny new, but years old. They knew the farm.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 10th, 2010, 05:44am

Finally back after feeling like a drone myself (to work tongue).
So what have I been missing out on? Had a quick scan read and it looks like there's some new hoax over at ATS that could or could not be 'Isaac'. Surely this couldn't be 'Isaac'? From what I've been reading about finding mensa certificates on the net, the hoaxer seems kind of clumsy and the hoax itself not-well-thought-out unlike the Isaac/Caret documents.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Leibowitz on Jul 10th, 2010, 3:14pm

Missing out on something? Nah.

There is no new "Isaac" hoax. He more than likely never left, and has enjoyed the the ensuing fun and much ballyhooed, bellowing hot air contests here and abroad. Thankfully the watchdogs of ufology keep us safe at night. I salute their hallowed efforts. How could we survive without them.

I could use some fresh drone photos though. Anybody?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by blackwater on Jul 10th, 2010, 5:11pm

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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 11th, 2010, 1:18pm

It might have gotten funny... tongue and I might have gotten banned too.. but ..
http://tiny.cc/13e87

You and I know, Icarus, I'm only using the concept.. thanks for the indulgence wink
And no similiarity implied cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 11th, 2010, 7:28pm

If anything ever needs to be hidden, Gawga is the perfect place. It is ,for want of a better word, unreal in so many ways.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jul 12th, 2010, 1:38pm

on Jul 6th, 2010, 5:31pm, CIAlater wrote:
Is Isaac at it again?

A new hoax seems to be in the works at ATS.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread590723/pg1

A guy by the name of "MolecularPhD" claims to have worked for the military reverse engineering space craft.



His story has as many holes in it as Isaacs.

"I began my career as a Science Officer in the US Army Core (later edited to Corps) of Engineers; under the guidance of the US Army Science Board and the NRO..."


Hmmm... "core" is a general slip up a major way (all puns intended).

I think he has his job mixed up a bit... the US Army Corps of Engineers deals with infrastructure (like roads, dams and waterways), the more secretive ERDL would more likely be where he would have held that type of position.

It sounds to me like he was just throwing out impressive names. The NRO (the National Reconnaissance Office) which is now apart of the CIA, is an intelligence gathering group that works with satellite imagery, not with projects using molecular physics.

You know what they say, never let facts get in the way of telling a good story... even if you claim to be a PhD and a military officer who cannot spell Corps. wink


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 12th, 2010, 3:03pm

Finally a breath of fresh air..Thanks Marvin..the thread at ATS was locked by..YeahRight..(too funny). pending an explanation from our self described MP..after it was discovered he had phony credentials on top of those Typos....Not unexpectedly..he has not returned..lets give the benefit of the doubt..perhaps he was abducted and killed..like Red claimed here about Isaac....

This is so typical of these hoaxes..fortunately for us too..Digital technology has reproduced a lot of things..except Ignorance..

The usual if you can't dazzle them with brillance ..baffle them with BS....Say I just found out Thierry Speth aka Cmdr Rutledge...died..dang Marv....I liked his stuff.......Now there would have been a hoaxter to interview..not as exciting perhaps as Interview With a Vampire..but..you could still call him an artist..though the Mona or rather..Luna Lisa thing showed a slight departure..from his usual thoroughness and attention to detail...which you helped bring out very very well when it resurfaced at The Open Lids site..I remember how excited I was too when I saw Atto had helped host that on his server just an unusual coincidence..just business. nothing impled here..just what a small world.....when I checked Ips..at that time..before I got into this Mulligans stew..I thought..jeepers..A chance to meet Thierry..sadly..it will never happen..cry
Let me regain my composure here..It happens when I keep getting devastating news like this..(pause...)
ok..
Perhaps we should start a thread like The Greatest Hoax Ever Told..or Hoaxters we love and Hate.. Losers and winners..maybe submit them..it to the Museum of Hoaxes..
Maybe that would soothe some bruised egos here..Certainly The Drone Humour Thread is showing sterling promise..for the greatest Jokes about one thing ever told..
Just an idea..
grin


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Jebus on Jul 13th, 2010, 4:51pm

How can you be absolutely sure that this isn't real? I think it is a tie..as no proof has been shown.

No matter, somehow we are better off not knowing..

Just let the World turn as it allways have. If it isn't for the bumps on the road, what fun would there be?

The Earth will continue revolving for at least some billion years, and we all will be dead when the Drones show what they really was sent here to accomplish.

If you know as much as you claim to, you'd have known this by now.

Finally an enigma that has a wide span in the investigation of the Psycology of the Human mind.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 13th, 2010, 5:09pm

on Jul 13th, 2010, 4:51pm, Jebus wrote:
No matter, somehow we are better off not knowing.
- Jebus



Before I can respond cogently, I must ask this somewhat fearful etymological question:

We have the term "Heebie-jeebies" denoting a fright;

If we have MORE THAN ONE, would not that be called 'Heebie-Jebus?'

(This is gonna give me the willies...)
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 13th, 2010, 5:14pm

Jebus, I agree to some degree with you, but others will not. They see truth as being a crystal gem with no flaws and therefore no hidden or mystical beauty. Absolute truth will be absolutely boring. Be prepared, few will agree, but seek your own way.
L E V I A T H A N
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 13th, 2010, 7:05pm

Hehe, Jebus,

he meant:

B O B

wink

Some of them want to use you,
Some of them want to be used.

Take your choice.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 13th, 2010, 7:37pm

Jebus, see what I mean. I meant exactly what I said.
L E V I A T H A N
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 13th, 2010, 10:56pm

on Jul 13th, 2010, 7:05pm, SiddReader wrote:
Hehe, Jebus,

he meant:

B O B

wink

Some of them want to use you,
Some of them want to be used.

Take your choice.




I guess you really mean this 'BOB,' eh?

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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 14th, 2010, 01:28am

on Jul 14th, 2010, 01:08am, Sysconfig wrote:
My Hero!

Klattu..did you know according to wiki answers..there are one million people named Bob..what a uniion they could make
Imagine if One Million Bobs..marched on Washington..wow..they could transform the entire political landscape..!

I was going thru this and did not know what to make of it..Dobbs got at least an honorable mention..and the Marx Brothers..and I'm starting to get perhaps what that MolecularPHD was all about..maybe it was lice brownian motion..and gas..marbles could qualify too..
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http://orthomentoring.blogspot.com/2010/03/cross-hierarchy-shunts-in-jive.html

And to think we have had a real live one..one here all for ourselves for three years is just..overwhelming.!!
But Icarus..do you know this North Carolina chap ?





Sidd, thata was one of my all time favorite songs from the Eurythmics..and her words ring loud and clear here for sure!!

Icarus..the crystal gem you speak of is more aptly called a Lucid moment..like when a photo of a mail order bride doesn't quite match who you see getting off the plane..and not quite what you bargained for...or you open a briefcase thats supposed to have money..and it has shredded newspaper....a certain something just opens up that third eye....and you know you been took..you been had as Malcolm X, rip..once said, or punked and even pawned as they say in gaming.

Certainly the photographs and documents in this hoax.. provided more than enough such moments as well.
The only thing left is to laugh and watch who else sits on the venerable whoopee cushion.


wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 14th, 2010, 08:25am

Have you ever left enough room for anyone else!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jul 14th, 2010, 1:14pm

on Jul 13th, 2010, 4:51pm, Jebus wrote:
How can you be absolutely sure that this isn't real? I think it is a tie..as no proof has been shown.

No matter, somehow we are better off not knowing





Let me see

1. It is from an anonymous poster on the Internet.

2. The only evidence submitted (which is on their identity) is bogus.

(and I agree with this statement as no proof has been shown)

3. no verifiable evidence has been offered to support the story.


You call that a tie?





Pssst, I have a slightly used bridge I would like to sell (that is in Brooklyn NY). Original owner. I will make you a heck of a deal on it! Picture enclose:



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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 14th, 2010, 2:30pm

$$$ to anyone that spots the drone in the bridge pic wink.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 14th, 2010, 5:48pm

Ca, I think it is more a fly in the ointment!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by skytiger on Jul 14th, 2010, 6:35pm

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now wheres me money !!! cheesy lol
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jul 15th, 2010, 11:07am

Kind of reminds me of Father Sarducci....



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Find da Pope in da Pizza...


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 15th, 2010, 5:20pm

on Jul 14th, 2010, 6:35pm, skytiger wrote:
now wheres me money !!! cheesy lol


It's on the drone. Since you caught it, you can keep it. wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 15th, 2010, 5:25pm

I agree finders keepers..
grin grin grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 15th, 2010, 7:43pm

Chinatown, my Chinatown.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 15th, 2010, 8:18pm

What you Chinese now too?
So Sowwee ..No tickee,no Laundwee grin

Its Qweed pwo Kwo here!
Memowy lane usptaiahs
pay or or big twuble in little China..
You no make twuble here so.. by by!

I kid of course

Is there anyway you could possibly hook up with these people that did mooneuropa..some of the landscaping ala Edward Scissorhands stuff reminds me of your collection..like kindred spirits ..you know..that would be so awsomely sik!

By the way the video clip..was fantastic..just mixed it up here..
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They are right up your alley..
Were it not for you I would not have discovered them..lord knows you did mention it several times and we..duhh..it happens..no explanation..just does..I'm groveling apologetically here..
say! I just noticed Nevco is coven backwards..That is for sure a coincidence..





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 15th, 2010, 9:14pm

I was referring to the Chinese blurs and streaks so recently lauded about.

What is mooneuropa?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 15th, 2010, 9:21pm

Heck if I know. its one of Jupiters moons..one they said in Space Oddysey 2010 to leave alone...darn good movie made in North Carolina...supposed to be going for some big time film festivals..Don't go by me..it got good reviews in Santa Cruz and wired magazine...you know its tuff for independents....Interocitor 294 told me.and verified...was linked on his website. www.nidus.org
He sends his regards. Tar heels are somethin else.. grin
I'd like to talk to their prop and set master..Those letters look vaguely familiar.. although all after the fact..this is all happening now 2010...but still..should perk you up.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 16th, 2010, 03:23am

@sys Do you know the ppl who did this site http://www.nidus.org/ ?
It's high calibre, that's for sure.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 16th, 2010, 07:34am

Found this on Google maps, I wonder if its been reported on UFO bbs yet? So when it does you saw it first here.

This could be a drone?

Large UFO captured by Google on Wiskytown Lake in CA. Photo is from the bridge.

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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 16th, 2010, 07:34am

on Jul 14th, 2010, 6:35pm, skytiger wrote:
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now wheres me money !!! cheesy lol

Haha, nice one! I've forwarded you a few emails from my spambox... all you have to do is give them your credit card details and a rich Sheik will temporarily put his money in your bank as his family is in danger or something wink.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 16th, 2010, 07:36am

on Jul 16th, 2010, 07:34am, Gort wrote:
Found this on Google maps, I wonder if its been reported on UFO bbs yet? So when it does you saw it first here.

This could be a drone?

Large UFO captured by Google on Wiskytown Lake in CA. Photo is from the bridge.

<image snip>

Ah yes, the mother of the dragonfly drones. Excellent find, Gort! Google Street View Car's EMP must have temporarily disabled the invisibility of the drone wink.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 16th, 2010, 08:30am

on Jul 16th, 2010, 03:23am, tomi01uk wrote:
@sys Do you know the ppl who did this site http://www.nidus.org/ ?
It's high calibre, that's for sure.


Yes a writer, wc3 participant, programmer, humorist, concept or idea gestaltist..psychology graduate from ,,was it a FL....etc etc..(Made me wonder of course.)

by the name of Sam Cannon.hailing from Saluda County. North Carolina..He PM'd me here and asked what I did for a living..It's no secret so I told him..perhaps we might get together sometime as I like his humor on his site and he seemed like a nice enough bloke.Had an almost Ivongelical (sic)(like SubG) style didn't he?Did you not the tubular electronics..that retro thing reminded me of Virgil.
Said he was trying to Viralize Maslow.an early twentieth century figure and his works espousing virtue ( which I took as scruples) as a basis for cor[porate management.
I did find some contradictory things..at Link Edlin..where it seems several entries were made under Sam Cannon..

Under interests he put..Unix and Vaccum Cleaners.. Most peculiar. I doubt vacuum cleaners would hardly interest a potential employer..

He went out of his way to tell me about Moon Europa site there is a sister flick Solatrium that also debuted at the Sundance Film festival..did quite well
Http://www.solatrium.com
.

Thats all I can tell you about him...but that's when I spotted the alien Letters and the Lev style gallery pix and I must say now the former in no way affected the enjoyment of the video clip.

He did , via an article by Tom Petzinger of the Wall street Journal.touch on the issue of Copyright and surrendering works on the web as Isaac had done..which was quite interesting in itself..He then cascaded into the Sub-G type humor with a reset button at the bottom ..they often remark on as well..which takes you to an A or D..page..It was quite funny, like drawing out of a grab bag..didn't quite know what to expect..except..anything..

The bios on each of the respective films.
Hobbs was of particular interest to me, just the name reminded me of the Devil..Just being facetious of course ..
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/09/prweb554246.htm
http://danm.ucsc.edu/web/gcraighobbs












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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 16th, 2010, 12:52pm

Ok..
thanks

Been listening to some of these recordings that go back 30 years:

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=clickonmedialinks&action=display&thread=8333

Things in there that make me go hmm..... Now these early guys into all this are the geeks we are dealing with today I'm thinking wink
and they just kept getting better... one way or another smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Jebus on Jul 16th, 2010, 5:06pm

As much as I appreciate the research here, very good as it is, have you ever considered this whole Drone story as a "package" released by a subsidary of the government adminitration, to verify or justify some plausible events that might have taken place, willingly or not, but also to seek out information of so called "leaked information", controlled by same?
Why hasn't this come up? You have found the errors/hoaxes parts to great satisfaction, why not venture into the core and break the entire scam?
Every government administration to this date has sought out ways of poll taking whether it's for an election or any other issue. Why should this be so different from that? Blend facts with lies, and see the outcome, to determine unbiased results when scrutinizing the same. This case sure has it's lies, and it just as sure has it's truths. Just a question of hide and seek.

I think you have a thing or two to reconsider by weighing this case closed as a hoax altogether.

As I am reluctant to see myself "roasted" here as many newcomers, this will be my last post, I have nothing further to add to this debate.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 16th, 2010, 6:15pm

on Jul 16th, 2010, 5:06pm, Jebus wrote:
As much as I appreciate the research here, very good as it is, have you ever considered this whole Drone story as a "package" released by a subsidary of the government adminitration, to verify or justify some plausible events that might have taken place, willingly or not, but also to seek out information of so called "leaked information", controlled by same?
Why hasn't this come up? You have found the errors/hoaxes parts to great satisfaction, why not venture into the core and break the entire scam?
Every government administration to this date has sought out ways of poll taking whether it's for an election or any other issue. Why should this be so different from that? Blend facts with lies, and see the outcome, to determine unbiased results when scrutinizing the same. This case sure has it's lies, and it just as sure has it's truths. Just a question of hide and seek.

I think you have a thing or two to reconsider by weighing this case closed as a hoax altogether.

As I am reluctant to see myself "roasted" here as many newcomers, this will be my last post, I have nothing further to add to this debate.


Having held a Top Secret clearence for the Air Force, I am reluctant to think the drones would be much of a worthy cause.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 16th, 2010, 6:30pm

on Jul 16th, 2010, 5:06pm, Jebus wrote:
As much as I appreciate the research here, very good as it is, have you ever considered this whole Drone story as a "package" released by a subsidary of the government adminitration, to verify or justify some plausible events that might have taken place, willingly or not, but also to seek out information of so called "leaked information", controlled by same?
Why hasn't this come up?

(break)

I think you have a thing or two to reconsider by weighing this case closed as a hoax altogether.

As I am reluctant to see myself "roasted" here as many newcomers, this will be my last post, I have nothing further to add to this debate.




Research work is rewarded almost everywhere and imbues into oneself a sense of personal satisfaction; apparently you, friend Jebus, have simply not done yours.

Your 'new idea' has been kicked around in multiple boards, blogs, and forums since the drone saga began and it would behoove you to discover them for yourself - again for that feeling of personal edification and achievement.

If we were not so stern with you here, you could perhaps simply go on, and on, and might just end up embarrassing yourself repeatedly.

We are patently truthful with you because we care.

That said, if your belief system tips towards the 'non-hoax' end of the spectrum, I would encourage you to go over to the DRT/droneteam.com site, officially register, and find those like-minded drone reality believers there to commune with.

The choice is yours to make, Jebus.

Adios.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 16th, 2010, 6:36pm

Jebus, I am sorry to see you go. I know some Air Force people myself and they often say interesting things. The drones are now in a permanent state of distrust and we can only guess if this had any planning behind it. I think it has been established that an image can never be the sole or major proof of much of anything.
L E V I A T H A N
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 16th, 2010, 6:44pm

Hi Lev,

Is this a new version of your Thumper Drone I was asking about?

User Image


Also, what the heck is that black speck at the 10 o'clock position about two-thirds of the way out?

Is this another contest (Guess the Drone?) or just a slip of the pixel cleanup process or is it there to add realism to the CG construct?

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 16th, 2010, 7:21pm

I have no idea what the little black spot is. The drone is the Alabama/Georgia Drone model in a landed position from sometime in 2007. A few improvements had been made to the model. I like the image because of the overall mood. I still like the energy glow in the middle.

I recently saw the new Predators movie, please. I thought CG was supposed to be getting better. I rooted for the old type predator above all the others, must be just my nature. Including the humans.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 17th, 2010, 03:05am

@ Icarus, that image of yours always reminded me of a self-flagellating steel drum. Still retains the mood tho cheesy

@ Jebus, like Icarus, I'm sorry to see you go. The only potential we have of solving this riddle is by people like you coming in and offering insights or reminding us to keep our eye on the bigger picture and what it might be.

Please continue your theory here, because it is also my theory as well, to a degree.

Cheers and please don't be a stranger.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 17th, 2010, 03:21am

on Jul 16th, 2010, 6:36pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Jebus, I am sorry to see you go. I know some Air Force people myself and they often say interesting things. The drones are now in a permanent state of distrust and we can only guess if this had any planning behind it. I think it has been established that an image can never be the sole or major proof of much of anything.
L E V I A T H A N


I know a heap of them myself with some interesting stories, my brother a Lt and in EW..reparing them on ground and in aire.. .. ears perked up ? nothing to do with ufos..and he really is retired unlike that RT, most likely playing naval excercises with a rubber ducky.. in a bathtub likely... is as close as he most likely ever got to action..got..and bogus medals ..as he said himself..you can get a a costume shop. But his story certainly was entertaining,,thats it.

Lev..Nice convertible thumper..Thanx for the review on predator..nothing like the first one..That was Top Draw I'll switch to Sorcerrs Apprentice...say..smiley which of those events and such have you covered as a reviewer..like Sundance and stuff..I am puzzled you didnt know NC had all that going for it..I thought as a review you would keep up with all that..
That guy..Red was into community arts at his club in NCremember ?he subscribed to Jesubs argument..


Klatu..Nice rapup for Jesubs..I know he will be back..no roasting whatsoever..

And yes we fought hard because we really cared what's going in his head..and need to stop making excuses the gummamint did it...

That's not to say..they have not done in the past or do in the present....as they are notorious for creating honeypots..to lure potential spies...just no proof of that..and lets not exempt Russians, Chinese, and others.

They do what they have to do..once you establish bogus pix and bogus documens.then the icons should have ceased pushing it..but they didnt...ask them who are they working for, if we want to get conspiratorial..
And as for Drt lol send the lad anywhere but there.....Brains on popsicle sticks is all I will say..

Wish him good luck in his search for disclosure..and peace of mind

Adieu.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 17th, 2010, 03:49am

I hope Jebus offers his opinion on this, but taking this drone saga as a whole, we don't see drones appearing anywhere else in the world but the USA. Not since that Italian picture anyway... whatever that was.

But it could be argued that there have to be certain fields generated for these drones to appear.

And this ability may be proprietary and secret to the US. And if this was so, with any basis of fact what-so-ever possible, wouldn't there be an avalanche of interest coming from foreign governments?

Which we don't see rolleyes

So.... what kind of information here has been released?
Jebus?

I think its safe to discount the "field" generated aspect, since there doesn't seem to be much that has filtered into the rest of the world's concerns from the release of this drone saga story..

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2010, 05:53am

on Jul 17th, 2010, 03:49am, tomi01uk wrote:
I hope Jebus offers his opinion on this, but taking this drone saga as a whole, we don't see drones appearing anywhere else in the world but the USA. Not since that Italian picture anyway... whatever that was.

But it could be argued that there have to be certain fields generated for these drones to appear.

And this ability may be proprietary and secret to the US. And if this was so, with any basis of fact what-so-ever possible, wouldn't there be an avalanche of interest coming from foreign governments?

Which we don't see rolleyes

So.... what kind of information here has been released?
Jebus?

I think its safe to discount the "field" generated aspect, since there doesn't seem to be much that has filtered into the rest of the world's concerns from the release of this drone saga story..

More accurately Tomi they haven’t been ‘reported’ anywhere else because unless I’m mistaken they never _really_ appeared in the US either. wink kiss

The field of dreams perhaps, build it and they will come…..

I agree it’s a shame about Jebus but he was about three years too late if he wanted to theorise about the reality of the Drones and whilst I appreciate his frustration there’s not a great deal can be done about it at this stage of the hoax, the best advice was already offered and that was to mosey on over to the DRT and never look back.

At least his 'Iquit' was one of the more dignified I've seen.

Cheers. smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 17th, 2010, 06:44am

Well let's hope like everyone else we appreciate coming into visit and offer up insights or pontifications he returns.. along with our Virgil Crow. Hey Virgil, don't let Icarus scare you or anyone else either.. not that you would, would you grin

@ Jebus, But back to my question, Jebus, I really am interested in any ideas about what information you might consider relevent to this saga. Bearing in mind the possibility that the drones may be a metaphorical representation of something too.. (a little caveat thrown in to satisfy both camps here) .. Cheers!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 17th, 2010, 06:55am

Sorry undecided to be a little thick between the ears sometimes, but those of you who thought that a suddenly appearing guest here - Jebus - was of more value than I believe he really was, well it made me do a more thorough internet search as I can be wrong about these things. See the other guy's point of view, says I.

Well, post-search, I am still not convinced his guesting comments were anything new under the sun nor were they particularly clever, but I did find this 'jebus' reference link to be enlightening. Thus, I share:




(Once again, DrDil, I apologise if this were to be better off posted in the Drone Humor thread)
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 17th, 2010, 07:37am

rolleyesA Déjà vu moment rolleyes

Hey didn't something a little bit kinda-sorta like this happen 6 - 7 months ago right here:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=drone&action=display&num=1261003648


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 17th, 2010, 07:53am

Sys was right I guess, if you want hope go to me.. but someday our messiahs, culprits, hoaxers or artists (take your pick) will show up here, it's inevitable isn't it. I like an open less wooden framework for which to scrutinize all possibilities. Give anyone enough platform or rope... on a high pedistal.. but aside from that.. It's a friendly place and you gotta be demented to be interested in this to begin with so.. the more the merrier .. jMo smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2010, 08:16am

on Jul 17th, 2010, 07:53am, tomi01uk wrote:
Sys was right I guess, if you want hope go to me.. but someday our messiahs, culprits, hoaxers or artists (take your pick) will show up here, it's inevitable isn't it. I like an open less wooden framework for which to scrutinize all possibilities. Give anyone enough platform or rope... on a high pedistal.. but aside from that.. It's a friendly place and you gotta be demented to be interested in this to begin with so.. the more the merrier .. jMo smiley

I perhaps should have been a little clearer Tomi, of course anyone is free to post any theories, ideas or anything else Drone-related that they want to and I positively encourage it. I purposefully didn’t and don’t get into debates about the possibility of them being anything other than a hoax as ultimately it’s a matter of belief and I have no desire to proselytise anyone else to my personal belief on the Drones.

Damned if I do, damned if I don’t…..

However I personally can’t think of any theory that could ever be posted alluding to the reality of the Drones ever being actively discussed here, as purely in my humble opinion the evidence that the entire Drone debacle was a hoax is not only overwhelming, but at this point is irrefutable and well beyond reproach.

I would be ecstatic if I was proven wrong on this but I just can’t foresee any set of circumstances that would be able to directly refute the many, many discrepancies, anomalies and blatant deceptions from the creators of the Drones which we have witnessed to date, can you?

Cheers. smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2010, 08:25am

on Jul 17th, 2010, 07:37am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
rolleyesA Déjà vu moment rolleyes

Hey didn't something a little bit kinda-sorta like this happen 6 - 7 months ago right here:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=drone&action=display&num=1261003648


Heh, heh, and no doubt there will be many more Klat, partly the reason they still pique my interest to such an extent is the seemingly instant capturing of the imagination that they exert over practically all who see them.

I can’t really remember nor imagine what it’s like seeing them for the first time but I assume that if you can get past –or don’t realise- the hoax aspect then the possibilities are both infinite and fantastical.

I also admit to being a little jealous of those stumbling on the Drone images for the first time…..

Cheers.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 17th, 2010, 08:48am

on Jul 17th, 2010, 06:55am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Sorry undecided to be a little thick between the ears sometimes, but those of you who thought that a suddenly appearing guest here - Jebus - was of more value than I believe he really was, well it made me do a more thorough internet search as I can be wrong about these things. See the other guy's point of view, says I.

Well, post-search, I am still not convinced his guesting comments were anything new under the sun nor were they particularly cleaver, but I did find this 'jebus' reference link to be enlightening. Thus, I share:

(Once again, DrDil, I apologise if this were to be better off posted in the Drone Humor thread)


grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 17th, 2010, 08:50am

on Jul 17th, 2010, 08:16am, DrDil wrote:
I would be ecstatic if I was proven wrong on this but I just can’t foresee any set of circumstances that would be able to directly refute the many, many discrepancies, anomalies and blatant deceptions from the creators of the Drones which we have witnessed to date, can you?

Cheers. smiley


Not me, I wouldn't be ecstatic. I don't care one way or another. I've got nothing at stake here ego or belief wise. Except possibly my "wheels within wheels" theory. I'm partial to that, and it covers both camps either way as well. grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2010, 09:22am

on Jul 17th, 2010, 08:50am, tomi01uk wrote:
Not me, I wouldn't be ecstatic. I don't care one way or another. I've got nothing at stake here ego or belief wise. Except possibly my "wheels within wheels" theory. I'm partial to that, and it covers both camps either way as well. grin

What?!

Ego, belief, values, ideals, none of that even comes into it and the fact that you assume a Drone reality is directly related to a person’s ego or belief betrays your core belief behind the sentiment I think you’re trying to express.

To have the ETH publicly confirmed by something you’ve invested so much time in wouldn't delight you?

Meh, whatever Tomi. undecided

I guess we really are a LOT more different than I thought…..

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2010, 11:43am

on Jul 17th, 2010, 08:48am, Gort wrote:
grin

Hi Gort I’m surprised to see there’s no mention by you of (your nemesis grin) the Mufon Forum being unceremoniously nuked earlier today, you spent quite a bit of time there didn’t you?

Cheers.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 17th, 2010, 11:48am

on Jul 17th, 2010, 09:22am, DrDil wrote:
What?!

Ego, belief, values, ideals, none of that even comes into it and the fact that you assume a Drone reality is directly related to a person’s ego or belief betrays your core belief behind the sentiment I think you’re trying to express.

To have the ETH publicly confirmed by something you’ve invested so much time in wouldn't delight you?

Meh, whatever Tomi. undecided

I guess we really are a LOT more different than I thought…..


Hi drdil, Sorry I really didn't think or suspect what I said could be taken the wrong way. And my apologies if it was easy to do because of carelessly posted words.

A long long time ago, the possibility of the drones being out there uncloakable and disclosure coming from finding this out was kinda exciting to me if I remember.. but that was sooo long ago. I guess what I'm saying here is I would be delighted beyond words to just get to the core of what this is about. That would be enough for me and all I hope at this point for.

I'm very curious about ufo's, ufology etc and think about Jacque Vallee's theories as the more plausible, I think about ETH too, but neither in context with the drones.

I guess I've thought these days if the answer was closer to what Isaac says and ETH, I might dispair... The saga would never end, it would throw us down a bigger rabbit hole and it's a lot more work.. tongue

I have a great deal of respect for your opinions and I agree often with your concepts. I really have no major difference of opinion with you. Just admiration a lot of the time. kiss

edit to add: You posted a quote from Bertrand Russell a few days ago. I was touting your virtues and that quote in a chat with someone even... so I guess that is why I used ego and beliefs and even stated where my ego and belief was in this (wheels within wheels theory).. No more than that.. and please no offense for anything...

If some have strong beliefs that there are elements of truth in the drone saga, and they investigate to substanciate this we are further along either way.. And since we have lots of evidence that they are hoaxed but we don't really know who and why yet.. there are still a lot of reasons some people may want to cherry pick to keep their favorite theories going until proven differently.
I gave up caring... basically so I could think of every possibily without favoritism. That's all I can tell you.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 17th, 2010, 12:24pm

on Jul 17th, 2010, 11:43am, DrDil wrote:
Hi Gort I’m surprised to see there’s no mention by you of (your nemesis grin) the Mufon Forum being unceremoniously nuked earlier today, you spent quite a bit of time there didn’t you?

Cheers.


I stopped posting their a while ago. However it was interesting to shuffle through the various posts. It doesn't surprise me that Clifford shut it down. They turned on the one good moderator they had from Northern California. He quit the Mufon board and deleted all his posts and in my opinion provided the best experience and information on whole subject. The board and its relation to Mufon was tenuous even when Carrion started it. When Carrion resigned from Mufon he remained as the board administrator. After an argumentative session within his own board over Roswell he picked up his marbles and went home and apparently relinquished the board to Mufon. I think Mufon took the opportunity to dump the board which in my opinion had as much credibility as the DRT but up until this point it wasn't actually "their" board although it had Mufon on it. It was actually somewhat of a rogue board with mostly DRT type believers running it. And I would suspect probably more of an embarrassment to Mufon then an enhancement.

I was telling another former poster some of the more memorable posts from that board which out of good taste I won't repeat here but they were unbelievable.

It's my understanding at this point that these (handful of) posters are starting their own bulletin board while Mufon would limit its new board to members only. And that's probably the best situation for all involved.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2010, 12:52pm

on Jul 17th, 2010, 11:48am, tomi01uk wrote:
Hi drdil, Sorry I really didn't think or suspect what I said could be taken the wrong way. And my apologies if it was easy to do because of carelessly posted words.

A long long time ago, the possibility of the drones being out there uncloakable and disclosure coming from finding this out was kinda exciting to me if I remember.. but that was sooo long ago. I guess what I'm saying here is I would be delighted beyond words to just get to the core of what this is about. That would be enough for me and all I hope at this point for.

I'm very curious about ufo's, ufology etc and think about Jacque Vallee's theories as the more plausible, I think about ETH too, but neither in context with the drones.

I guess I've thought these days if the answer was closer to what Isaac says and ETH, I might dispair... The saga would never end, it would throw us down a bigger rabbit hole and it's a lot more work.. tongue

I have a great deal of respect for your opinions and I agree often with your concepts. I really have no major difference of opinion with you. Just admiration a lot of the time. kiss

edit to add: You posted a quote from Bertrand Russell a few days ago. I was touting your virtues and that quote in a chat with someone even... so I guess that is why I used ego and beliefs and even stated where my ego and belief was in this (wheels within wheels theory).. No more than that.. and please no offense for anything...

If some have strong beliefs that there are elements of truth in the drone saga, and they investigate to substanciate this we are further along either way.. And since we have lots of evidence that they are hoaxed but we don't really know who and why yet.. there are still a lot of reasons some people may want to cherry pick to keep their favorite theories going until proven differently.
I gave up caring... basically so I could think of every possibily without favoritism. That's all I can tell you.

My bad Tomi I may have been a tad (ahem grin) heavy-handed with my reply which wasn't my intention and there’s certainly no apology necessary and no offence taken (ever!! wink)

Don’t get me wrong I believe there’s absolutely no chance whatsoever that any facet of the Drone debacle is true, right down to the multiple witnesses AND their names. I just found it hard to accept (and still do kiss) that it wouldn’t please you to find out that the Drones in all of their steam-punk glory were representative of an advanced technology and manufactured by off-world hands (or tentacles, or fins, or telekinesis , or artificial intelligence etc. etc. laugh)!!

As an aside & regarding Vallee then I thought you may find the following particularly relevant, even though if you apply it to the Drones then it’s not the context of deception (or the phenomena) to which he was referring (unless of course the aliens made them do it!! cheesy)

"Human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways,
forcing them to play a role in a bizarre game of deception."

Dr. Jacques Vallee (Messengers of Deception)




Cheers. smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2010, 1:05pm

on Jul 17th, 2010, 12:24pm, Gort wrote:
I stopped posting their a while ago. However it was interesting to shuffle through the various posts. It doesn't surprise me that Clifford shut it down. They turned on the one good moderator they had from Northern California. He quit the Mufon board and deleted all his posts and in my opinion provided the best experience and information on whole subject. The board and its relation to Mufon was tenuous even when Carrion started it. When Carrion resigned from Mufon he remained as the board administrator. After an argumentative session within his own board over Roswell he picked up his marbles and went home and apparently relinquished the board to Mufon. I think Mufon took the opportunity to dump the board which in my opinion had as much credibility as the DRT but up until this point it wasn't actually "their" board although it had Mufon on it. It was actually somewhat of a rogue board with mostly DRT type believers running it. And I would suspect probably more of an embarrassment to Mufon then an enhancement.

I was telling another former poster some of the more memorable posts from that board which out of good taste I won't repeat here but they were unbelievable.

It's my understanding at this point that these (handful of) posters are starting their own bulletin board while Mufon would limit its new board to members only. And that's probably the best situation for all involved.

Hi Gort,

From what I can gather after Carrion -as you say- ‘took his marbles home’ (for fear of losing them I suspect grin) he then relinquished control to an administrator (Starchild) who in turn handed the forum ownership over to the MUFON board of directors.

I think the removal also had a lot to do with the internal politics which inevitably transformed into public in-fighting (forgive the oxymoron grin) when they were discussed on the open forum.

I know what you mean though and mostly agree with you about what the environment was becoming (or became), however there were still some intelligent and particularly lucid members who posted there regularly. I just think it was a bit crappy that even the mods and admin weren’t informed of their intentions prior to them asking Proboards to nuke it.

And I also agree that an open & public forum for the majority and a closed ‘heavily moderated’ forum for the Mufon membership is undoubtedly the best way to move forward for all involved.


Cheers. smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 17th, 2010, 1:14pm

on Jul 17th, 2010, 12:52pm, DrDil wrote:
I just found it hard to accept (and still do kiss) that it wouldn’t please you to find out that the Drones in all of their steam-punk glory were representative of an advanced technology and manufactured by off-world hands (or tentacles, or fins, or telekinesis , or artificial intelligence etc. etc. laugh)!!



There is a reason we are all here, believers and skeptics and debunkers, lurkers etc.. I haven't a clue what that is. Could it be that the drone design has the likeness of a compass? What is it about the things that make this saga so fascinating is part of the fascination.

But would I like to have any of his be real even in another dimension? I find that concept almost as unfavorable as my soul being stuck on one with 999 other souls for eons.. doesn't tickle my happiness button.. nope.. nadda bit.

But still something is going on. If we are to take any of the words of Phillip Corso or others.. there is also the Skinwalker Ranch, other research, something is going on.. and was the drones used in some way or do they factor in at all in a completely different way than we are led to believe by Isaac? Something might be mysterious and worthy of finding out, if Corso and others including the woman I know here in the UK are honest. I know my client here is, she was just sharing with me what she experienced growing up in Palo Alto..
So... I dunno.... tongue nuthing except what I know which isn't much rolleyes


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2010, 1:26pm

Hi again Tomi,

Obviously the words of the lady you know will have to be taken at your discretion, but honestly I personally wouldn't (and so don’t) attach any importance whatsoever to the words & claims of Corso or to many others of a similar ilk.


Cheers.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 17th, 2010, 1:37pm

on Jul 17th, 2010, 1:26pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi again Tomi,

Obviously the words of the lady you know will have to be taken at your discretion, but honestly I personally wouldn't (and so don’t) attach any importance whatsoever to the words & claims of Corso or to many others of a similar ilk.


Cheers.


Ok, thanks that is good to know. Would be good to know if any of those reports was worth putting confidence in. (Except for those we know). Ben Rich conflicts with Corso but basically holds to back engineered technology.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 17th, 2010, 3:19pm

I only put my trust in what I know and to some here that would be very little. This is fine, because I also learn from others here and at other sites. Something is going on and the involvement of the drones is no more important than the latest attempt to start a new UFO episode with the Chinese report. Vallees ideas seem very close and the wonderful Charles Fort commented that in his opinion we were owned by something. This and the art of the unbelievable keeps me interested. I can promise any sterile human truth will be wrong and boring in the utmost, but if that is your poison...........
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2010, 3:31pm

Figures…..


"The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon..."

John A. Keel (UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse)


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 17th, 2010, 3:43pm

Exactly.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 17th, 2010, 4:12pm

Explain to me then please rolleyes

meanwhile.. doing my own research:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fort
ok... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keel

Well, they both seem like very good thinkers.
I think there is something mixed up in all of this too.
Like we could be in or part of a subsystem with some interaction from something.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 17th, 2010, 4:33pm

What we experience is not based on any solid truth. It is perceived truth, what our experience says is truth. This is true of all things including what we call science. It is all a human arrogance. We just do not know it all and we do not have the capability to know it all. We watch a show made especially for us to watch and some get more from it than do others. Why is it like this and what is to come of it, I do not know. Many have detected this state of affairs though and Fort and Vallee, while miles apart, were among them.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2010, 4:58pm

Hi Tomi,

I wrote the following a little while back on another forum which might help (although I doubt it as it's purely my own opinion grin):

Quote:

For what it’s worth I also agree with the US model of Ufology that you describe but as for Vallee I feel that the differences between his way of thinking compared to the US Ufologists was due in part to a cultural mindset, I feel this is also evident in the very distinct differences between the European and the US approach to the UFO phenomenon. Sure there’s quite a bit of cross-over (mainly from the nuts & bolts US Ufology) and this has become more apparent in the last decade or so but the respective mindsets are –in my opinion- massively different, which means the way the phenomenon is approached also differs, and ultimately so do any conclusions that are drawn from the data.

And as for Keel, I feel he was a much misunderstood artist and perhaps better described a demonologist rather than a Ufologist per se. I also believe that he was an extremely competent & intriguing storyteller but that his musings were unashamedly embellished and subjective to him (his mischievous bent is evident in his prose). I also believe that he tried to convey this exact sentiment in the Mothman prophecies when he describes an account he heard that transpired was actually him and involved the collapse of the bridge, all totally unfounded except his actual appearance at someone’s door. But when viewed within the cultural context of the day and also with the benefit of hindsight the event can be recognised for exactly what it was.



Cheers.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2010, 5:01pm

on Jul 17th, 2010, 4:33pm, Icarus99 wrote:
<snip>

We watch a show made especially for us to watch and some get more from it than do others.

<snip>


But just occasionally some of us catch a glimpse of the strings….. wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 17th, 2010, 5:20pm

Yeah, those strings that vibrate differently for everyone.. tongue It's a weird world string theory or not.. wink

Thank you both for introducing me to Fort and Keel.

@drdil, I'm still not perceiving a difference between the US vr the European way of figuring ufo's. Maybe because I've no insight into the background or current players. I've just never noticed a separation in perceptions or considerations.

Came across this article today and I wonder if any of this factors:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/07/15/venus_envy
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 17th, 2010, 6:31pm

I just wanted to take an a-ha moment here to say that I am extremely proud to be an active participant in this and other UFO Casebook drone-related threads as I am so much more a better and enriched individual because of it.

The last 4 - 5 pages here are awesome in their depth and personal commitment to finding the truth, no matter what the outcome may be.

You guys (and gals) are great. cheesy
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 17th, 2010, 11:32pm

That being or device or force that pulls the strings becomes immediately aware when it is observed and even this observation is incorporated into the show.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 17th, 2010, 11:34pm

We come full circle again..its exactly as Bennet said..and even prior to that some interesting comments made in the Keel Matter..If anyone can be seen as an established stooge of the power structure as is it would be LMH and company..II believe Valle saw that too..
Hollywwod and Authors canvass us regularly for new angles as they do the scientific literature..

And Dr.Dil you are spot on..
I found this on the Mothan porphecies some time ago and had shared it with Lev..when I returned from my hiatus..as he was an avid follower , and we can say advocate of that myth as the Drone..as well.


http://www.martiansgohome.com/smear/v49/ss020505.htm#letters
harry lime disclaimer saucer smear

The semi-mysterious HARRY LIME writes:

"Here are the curious exact 'disclaimer' words from the copyright page of the new edition of 'The Mothman Prophecies' (Tot Books paperback, February 2002): 'This is a work of fiction. All the characters and events portrayed in this work are either products of the author's imagination or are used fictionally.' This is a far cry from the usual 'any resemblance to any real person, living or dead, is purely coincidental' disclaimer'.

"The original edition of the book published in 1975 was presented as 100% non-fiction. I don't know about the 1991 reissue you mentioned (by the way, the Tot edition carries a 1991 copyright notice). It's also worth noting that Keel's afterword written for the Tot edition and dated August 2001 includes these lines: 'I warned Sheriff Johnson and Mary Hyre that this was folklore in the making. Gray Barker did try to turn it into a celestial fairy tale, making me decide to write this book and tell the truth as it happened.' Hmmmm... 'a work of fiction' tells 'the truth'..."


How some of these Bizzare Crowley, General Electric, Secret orders..etc thought streams develop elsewhere..
** http://tinyurl.com/2w5cppt

These streams cascade into nooks and crannies as the water seeks its own level..
CONSTANT REVISIONISM IN THE FORMER..BUT THIS LAD AT REDICE DID HIS HOMEWORK
BUT PERFECTLY IN LINE WITH BENNETS ARTICLE ..WHETHER ONE CALLS IT A MEME OR MYTH IN MAKING OR AS I MENTIONED YEARS AGO..(TIME DOES FLY) A POLYMORPHIC VIRAL CAMPAIGN WHICH LOTS OF PEOPLE CAN CATCH A RIDE OR ADAPT THEIR PRODUCT MOVIE OR BELIEF SYSTEM..

DIMENSIONAL/EXTRA REALITY PORTALS (JUST LIKE WHITLEY SAYS!!)ARE QUITE ACCEPTED BY VALLET AND KEEL..NEW WORLD ORDER SUBTHEMES RUN WITH GENERAL ELECTRIC AND THEIR CORPORATE LOGOS LIKE MITHRA..GOLDEN BOY WITH SNAKE ON HEAD ..SUCH A HODGE PODGE ..

BENNET WAS RIGHT ..IT HAD A LITTLE SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE..SO I SEE NO INCOMPATABILITY HAVING SATANIC GROUPS AND MASS CONSCIOUSNESS CEREMONIES AT ROSWELL..NWO MILITRAY DIS INFO GROUPS.. DARK POWERS SYMBOLISM ETC..ITS WHAT WE'VE COME TO EXPECT..


BY THE NINES..INDEED WITH A LITTLE POETIC LICENSE..NO PROBLEM WITH INSERTING MOTHMAN , RED EYES OF TERMINATOR. LIZARDS, WHATEVER IS DESIRED..GRINNING MAN OR THE FELLA WITH THE BE SEEING YOU IN TIME..JUST LIKE INTERCHANGEABLE MOVIE SETS AND ALL TOO CONVENIENT TV SOUNDBYTES TO JUSTIFY WARS

FROM BENNET:
In the case of SERPO and CHAD the purpose is to test belief systems as one would test an electronic circuit. In the previous literary world (now gone from us as Nineveh and Tyre) before cyber, this kind of thing was known as "faction." Given Web power, this has now become mythological engineering of a kind we have not seen before. The designers are interested in launching a Matrix-style information meme in order to form new patterns and programmes of belief-manipulation gaming. We should not be deceived; SERPO was a very crude prototype, CHAD, by comparison is a very advanced multi-media operation, and it is highly probable that there is much more of this kind of thing to come.

@Lev you will absolutely love Sorcerers Apprentice..



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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 18th, 2010, 03:35am

There are several Bennetts I'm finding.. Colin, Jeffrey?


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 18th, 2010, 03:56am

on Jul 17th, 2010, 11:32pm, Icarus99 wrote:
That being or device or force that pulls the strings becomes immediately aware when it is observed and even this observation is incorporated into the show.


Like quantum particles probably..
There definately is something strange outside the ordinary that each of us may have experienced.. I love science because it gives us a knowledge boundry but now there must be subsystems.. possibly. Recent experiments have demonstrated, entangled particles know when they will be measured in the future. Boundries in science have radically changed.

for instance:

http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/08/28/1335203/Entanglement-Could-Be-a-Deterministic-Phenomenon
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 18th, 2010, 05:58am

on Jul 18th, 2010, 03:35am, tomi01uk wrote:
There are several Bennetts I'm finding.. Colin, Jeffrey?

Quote:
Meme Wars: We Have an Agenda


A Fortean Essay in Story Technology by Colin Bennett

For Jacques Vallee

"Bennett should be hung" (Bruce Maccabee)


"Yes, both SERPO and the CHAD game are "phony," but to leave it at that is to misunderstand the game that is being played. As the Alchemist said to his Apprentice: "the game may be fixed, but it's the only game in town."
"Measuring media by media is a the only sacred mission left to us"

The above are said to be quotations from a lost work of one Augustus Codex, once described by Fulcanelli the Alchemist as "the Imposture Magus of Grenoble." Codex, a metaphysician sworn to poverty, died in a Paris estaminet in 2007 whilst taking notes on Borges' story Tlön, Uqbar, Obis Tertius. It is said by many a heresiarch that he was the only man to solve the riddle behind the physicist Enrico Fermi's celebrated question "where are they?" by answering "the alien is under construction..."

<snip>

The Caret Programme

In June of 2007 there appeared a web site http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/ apparently authored by one Isaac Caret. He claimed to have worked for the U.S. Department of Defence from 1984 to 1987 in a laboratory in Palo Alto, California. This site contained pictures of an extraordinary machine hovering above power lines. The pictures were more clear than most UFO pictures, and a short video soon made its appearance. Since the machine looked most unearthly (see above) and could not be verified as a piece of known human technology, there was much discussion about these photographs, and this continues throughout the Web world.

Linda Moulton Howe http://www.earthfiles.com/ in her usual thorough manner, has collected a mass of data concerning witnesses and origins of these spectacular photographs. She continues to update this information. Go Caret Videos on Google for good selection of pictures and videos.


Full article here



Quote:
Meme Wars: We Have an Agenda


A Fortean Essay in Story Technology by Colin Bennett

Part Two

Weaponising the Big Sell: the Product is a State of Mind


Thus do stories like the Roswell “event,” the jailing of Paris Hilton, and CHAD move into the infrastructure of perception. They move like Fort's "damned" events and the fairy-children of Plato’s story-shadows: some are almost solid, others quite vaporous; yet others move in our changing perceptions as we verily perceive, indeed. Like a newspaper under heavy rain, all UFO forms are shot through with the amnesia of decay; some stories remain almost complete; others suffer different rates of deterioration, remaining as half-recalled hallucinations.

Using these ideas and principles, it is possible to construct a kind of dialectical-penetration software using CHAD-like images just as high-powered salesmen do it with hard goods, but on the imagination

The originators of both SERPO and CHAD want an audience to imagine. They want us to process these stories using an array of story-images as designer-consumables. They are playing with what what Jung called Archetypes. These are the controlling centres of all psychologies. Depending on the array and patterning of archetypes and the strength of the conditioning. it is possible to make someone fall in love with Hitler, kill their own mother, or even possibly write the plays of Shakespeare, though not necessarily in that order.

In this case however there is no physical product; the product is a state of mind


Full article here

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 18th, 2010, 08:38am

Ok I read both thoroughly now. He is quite a writer. And a thinker. Plus a futurist to some degree. He very eloguently describes the grab quality of the drone saga. He challenges one's thinking. But he doesn't offer an explaination, but he provokes far reaching speculation. Thanks for introducing me to Colin Bennett. I'm sure I'm missing a lot here as the article was very deep. I didn't miss the relevence of the article to modern ufology, politics or any aspect of our lives. And he sure has a way with words smiley

Interesting that one of the premises in both articles would be an advance of sophisticated memes following what he called Chad and Serpo. Instead we had RT and the Pickles.. A NY City sideshow.

Historical facts and predicting the future would possibly be more accurately told in the context of a Jerry Lewis movie as he suggests..


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 18th, 2010, 10:24am

I think there is a psychology about the need to believe, although if there is such a need it wasn’t discussed much when I was a student. The physical needs were the obvious, food, water, breathing etc. the psychological needs (more specifically the ways in which these needs were met or satisfied) were the basis for most of the psychosis responsible for abnormal behavior. Nothing wrong with a psychological need if it’s met in a socially acceptable manner. Deviations from normal define the various behavioral abnormalities.

I understand the need to believe in religion. One author even proposed an inherent mechanism in the brain, like a sub program, allowing even primitive cultures to believe in and worship deities or a god, as a cultural survival mechanism. I suppose at some point in the evolutionary process the chimp like prehuman started to contemplate his own existence and wonder about the lifeless form of a fallen enemy or pray; wondering where the life went? He then needed a mechanism to cope with the stark realization of his own fragile existence.

But the need to believe was probably best understood by BT Barnum and seems akin to or even the same as the god component of the brain if that does exists. This need to believe (NTB) seems even more apparent in the field of ufology. I wasn’t really aware of its extent until surfing the UFO bbs and of course the Drone hoax. But I also noticed another aspect described by someone else as the Bulletin Board junkie. And while the description seems self evident and is not necessarily confined to UFO it appears to be real and separate from using the bbs and the internet for information sharing or entertainment. I guess like anything else over indulgence becomes an addiction i.e. overeating, alcohol etc. I know there is probably much said about internet porn, but this is not what I’m seeing here as this would still fit in the usual dysfunctional sexual categories, although there was no mention of the internet in the text books I had.


There is probably a wealth of research on the NTB and the internet bbs and even UFO bbs. I just haven’t researched it but in light of the recent sudden shut down of the MUFON bb previously mentioned here, a rare experimental opportunity was provided to observe the behavior and trauma of the those bulletin board junkies (BBJ) most engrossed and most adversely affected. Only the neediest seemed compelled to respond. (I know,not all would be BBJ) It was almost humorous to watch them scramble as they feverously sought their daily fix. The panic was palpable until it was announced that they would form their own board and equally as palpable the collective sigh of relief.

One poster in particular provides a summation of the NTB in a single post after expressing grief in a previous post. I find it interesting and as representative of NTB and the BBJ syndrome as there could possibly be!

I'm not suggesting this as applicable to anyone here but rather as introspection into our own insights especially concerning the motivations of hoaxers and groups such as DRT.

Parenthesis mine for clarity

“I just want to apologize to everybody for coming here(OMF) and being so negative but that forum (MUFON) meant a lot to me. I looked forward to posting on it everyday. It was a major part of my life and now it is gone. I had a lot of friends there and now they are gone. I do not have any friends here and so I am gone. I feel like an outcast. Sorry to have bothered y'all.”

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 18th, 2010, 11:11am

on Jul 18th, 2010, 10:24am, Gort wrote:
I think there is a psychology about the need to believe, although if there is such a need it wasn’t discussed much when I was a student. The physical needs were the obvious, food, water, breathing etc. the psychological needs (more specifically the ways in which these needs were met or satisfied) were the basis for most of the psychosis responsible for abnormal behavior. Nothing wrong with a psychological need if it’s met in a socially acceptable manner. Deviations from normal define the various behavioral abnormalities.

I understand the need to believe in religion. One author even proposed an inherent mechanism in the brain, like a sub program, allowing even primitive cultures to believe in and worship deities or a god, as a cultural survival mechanism. I suppose at some point in the evolutionary process the chimp like prehuman started to contemplate his own existence and wonder about the lifeless form of a fallen enemy or pray; wondering where the life went? He then needed a mechanism to cope with the stark realization of his own fragile existence.

But the need to believe was probably best understood by BT Barnum and seems akin to or even the same as the god component of the brain if that does exists. This need to believe (NTB) seems even more apparent in the field of ufology. I wasn’t really aware of its extent until surfing the UFO bbs and of course the Drone hoax. But I also noticed another aspect described by someone else as the Bulletin Board junkie. And while the description seems self evident and is not necessarily confined to UFO it appears to be real and separate from using the bbs and the internet for information sharing or entertainment. I guess like anything else over indulgence becomes an addiction i.e. overeating, alcohol etc. I know there is probably much said about internet porn, but this is not what I’m seeing here as this would still fit in the usual dysfunctional sexual categories, although there was no mention of the internet in the text books I had.


There is probably a wealth of research on the NTB and the internet bbs and even UFO bbs. I just haven’t researched it but in light of the recent sudden shut down of the MUFON bb previously mentioned here, a rare experimental opportunity was provided to observe the behavior and trauma of the those bulletin board junkies (BBJ) most engrossed and most adversely affected. Only the neediest seemed compelled to respond. (I know,not all would be BBJ) It was almost humorous to watch them scramble as they feverously sought their daily fix. The panic was palpable until it was announced that they would form their own board and equally as palpable the collective sigh of relief.

One poster in particular provides a summation of the NTB in a single post after expressing grief in a previous post. I find it interesting and as representative of NTB and the BBJ syndrome as there could possibly be!

I'm not suggesting this as applicable to anyone here but rather as introspection into our own insights especially concerning the motivations of hoaxers and groups such as DRT.

Parenthesis mine for clarity

“I just want to apologize to everybody for coming here(OMF) and being so negative but that forum (MUFON) meant a lot to me. I looked forward to posting on it everyday. It was a major part of my life and now it is gone. I had a lot of friends there and now they are gone. I do not have any friends here and so I am gone. I feel like an outcast. Sorry to have bothered y'all.”

Excellent post Gort!! User Image

Whilst I realise it wasn’t really the point of your theorising I still found the following quite profound and certainly worth repeating:

Quote:

I suppose at some point in the evolutionary process the chimp like prehuman started to contemplate his own existence and wonder about the lifeless form of a fallen enemy or pray; wondering where the life went? He then needed a mechanism to cope with the stark realization of his own fragile existence.


Cheers. smiley

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 18th, 2010, 11:41am

Quote:
Very strange! I'd love to say it's "alien", but who knows? Could be military too. A drone? Good video!

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/ny071610.html
Just thought I'd throw that in there, even though the commenter meant the military-type (but then some other commenter started a mini-debate about it).
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 18th, 2010, 11:51am

Charles Fort, H. P. Lovecraft, John Keel, Jacques Vallee they all glimpsed not only the strings, but what was operating the strings. The human mind creates a cocoon for itself from what may be just outside waiting. The truth for the chickens is the fox. We are a conditioned species and our concept of truth is the soft, warm blanket of that conditioning. Not only is a show presented to us, but we are encouraged to partake of that show. We do so and we call it life.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 18th, 2010, 12:05pm

Somewhere between Gort and Icarus I think my perspective is on this. Life is a journey, reality is inside out. We don't know all the answers and never will but the ones we can find will show the other side of logic in our brains is just as important. A scientist here in London once told me his theory is that the more developed the human brain became the more man was able to appreciate this essence or force. Whatever it is.

edit to add: the more they find out the more cosmologists these days are having a hard time getting past "the grand tinkerer". Sir Martin Rees explains here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-371805697706424951#
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 18th, 2010, 1:19pm

on Jul 18th, 2010, 11:41am, CA519705950 wrote:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/ny071610.html
Just thought I'd throw that in there, even though the commenter meant the military-type (but then some other commenter started a mini-debate about it).


Strange it looks like a flying Mola
Best I could muster, possibly an RC plane or some type of UAV?

Or ET

User Image

http://s973.photobucket.com/albums/ae219/RaNebula/system/?action=view=BigBird2.mp4
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 18th, 2010, 2:52pm

“I just want to apologize to everybody for coming here(OMF) and being so negative but that forum (MUFON) meant a lot to me. I looked forward to posting on it everyday. It was a major part of my life and now it is gone. I had a lot of friends there and now they are gone. I do not have any friends here and so I am gone. I feel like an outcast. Sorry to have bothered y'all.”
[/quote]

Market corporations ..govts.. hire psychologists for this very reason..they research, understand the primal need people have to belong to something bigger than themselves and help design the end product..to help the target audiences validate their existence for the moment....and its the very basis for branding identification..from Nike sneakers to Bling jewelery..Abnormalities come when the need and value attached is so great to have elements kill for it..the Nike sneaker steal for it..Blings are jewllery which if taken from a gangsters neck is the ultimate Dis..and a sign of disempowerment..Wearing a blue vs Red bandana can be a death sentence..its a challenge to the wearers existence..
Yet despite violent origins, its chic to adopt these things..a sort of identification with power..acceptance and belonging..We incorporate Graffiti designs,,used in territorial disputes..gangs....on pocket books and computers
Alienware is a great example of cult branding..the need for the all powerful lap top..the us vs them..the lap to buy..the one not to buy..the church to go to..the church not to go to..making choices..

So young people whos minds are not made up ..the most vulnerable and lost about anything..make the greatest markets to sell to or manipulate..They need more bodies like a great ponzi scheme..
The Romans had a staff symbol they carried in war and as a symbol of power..Subjects of the outer realms knew if an emissary came with it It was the same as if Ceasar was there...It meant war unless they complied with demands or of the emissary..and people generally complied..
To say Chicken and fox is just saying eat or be eaten..
Is too simplistic..to say a ticket to do the eating...then nature did and took care of ..the need to belong..as their is strength in numbers..whether its a gang..or an patrol or the choir in a church..why we have sayings ..for the greater good of the many.

This continual somebody is pulling the strings..is often used as an explanation for failure..or rationalization..
He died young..because he was to good and God called him home..or lets cover bases..he was bad..and God was not happy..and called him home..or the devil made me do it..Miguel Unamuno did a book about an existentialist priest in South America..tending to the natives in the Amazon..Didn;t believe himself..but had to administer what he did..like methadone..
On one hand we want that invisible hand taking care of use..to allay fears..and security..which a group can provide
and go straight into denial or a real sense of despair..when it doesn't.



But why are we so deep..as we already understand , ..these things..perhaps because most of us here are older.have seen many of the old hoaxes..pre internet..the old movies and books..no longer seen or know about..and drew on that base...and if we look at UFC..most of the people I read share personal experiences ..even stark contrasts.with decorum .appears to be an older seasoned.crowd...a very noticeable balance..a marked tolerance..Old age is not a guarantee to protect us from all hoaxes ..but for most of us a damned good hedge...rather than push it like DRT and the disclosure people like a political agenda.. and the Old empire Icons..LMH, Noory, Art Bell..etc..sprinkling it on the waters..us like food in a fishtank.Too much will spoil the water..just enough to keep the fish happy..
and when somewhere it was reported about the lack if not diminishing numbers of young people at ufo conferences.well..if thats not handwriting on the wall... they must be going elsewhere..reaching and impelled by nature to break out the mold..be different..
Without the young indians to do the believing hunting and procreating..capturing new women and baby bucks..there is no village...of anything..

The Drone is indeed..a lonely God..left with a small audience of believers still in denial..how it all went wrong..
their minds unable to adjust..Their bling and power was taken. forced to look for a new bandana to wear..a reason d'etre..a place to belong..numbers (hahahaha no pun intended) to feel secure with..joining subscribers to reason just doesnt cut it..leaves too much to critical thinking..thinking period...stuff like the drone doesn't grow on common sense trees. Taking .personal responsibility to making choices is a tad too much ..
Just that something is their with others therere to say it there..and not ask where it came from is all they need..for validation and a feeling of self worth..
The exposure of the drones..for what it was..a hoax..made their support structure..collapse..The stage collapsed..
Explaining this to them..compassionate as we are in beliefs and origins and the big picture in this industry..a sort of post trauma counseling..is a long and tediious process.. many incurable..as they chase the next event foisted on them like chaff in the wind..whether done a lone prankster or organized group..
Arguing with us..is their only validation of being and self worth in this debacle..

I would argue..the more we talk to such people.once these facts were in... the dumber we get ..Like talking to an addict that won't admit they have a problem


Lev ..You will enjoy the all the props ..Tesla coils used to kill Magik towards the end of movie..Walt Disney productions is superb..

But still its arguable that given your scope of knowledge and role in hoaxing and trying to keep this alive..even after the AL..still makes you, imho.arguably a talented..but dirty old man.

























Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 18th, 2010, 3:41pm

on Jul 18th, 2010, 2:52pm, Sysconfig wrote:
<snip>

This continual somebody is pulling the strings..is often used as an explanation for failure..or rationalization..
He died young..because he was to good and God called him home..or lets cover bases..he was bad..and God was not happy..and called him home..or the devil made me do it..Miguel Unamuno did a book about an existentialist priest in South America..tending to the natives in the Amazon..Didn;t believe himself..but had to administer what he did..like methadone..
On one hand we want that invisible hand taking care of use..to allay fears..and security..which a group can provide
and go straight into denial or a real sense of despair..when it doesn't.

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Hi Sys,

I just wanted to say when I initially referred to “seeing the strings” I wasn’t attributing these to a person but rather a metaphorical control-system with the strings that I said are glimpsed are the strings that control the system.

And the glimpse is a realisation rather than a rationalisation.

Or as Tomi might say ‘the big picture’ although I prefer to think of it as a ‘moment of clarity.’ wink


Cheers.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 18th, 2010, 4:16pm

on Jul 18th, 2010, 1:19pm, Gort wrote:
Strange it looks like a flying Mola
Best I could muster, possibly an RC plane or some type of UAV?

Or ET

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http://s973.photobucket.com/albums/ae219/RaNebula/system/?action=view=BigBird2.mp4


Wow, can't say I've ever seen a mola before. That thing looks funny and scary all at the same time! "Ocean Sunfish"... I bet my 8-year old brother would know everything about it. That kid has a brain like a sponge and he loves sea life... the stuff he says goes way over my head.
Here's a link to the article on MUFON. And here's a link to the original video. The original vid is 1 minute 16 seconds long and I'm still watching through it so no comments just yet wink.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 18th, 2010, 4:23pm

Hi Dr..Thanx..By the way..I never mentioned how much I like Zetar and CreoLady..lol..is the latter single? hahaha joke..so many good people..I f I were to travel anywhere to parts unknown alien places..I would certainly bring them..lol..especially Sidd and My friends from the Arc..
Bringing Lev would be like bringing that self serving evil guy in Lost in Space...he relished his role...I'll attach a picture of him after.But maybe some people like being like that irrespective of the beatings they get..

Say Lars Hanson who debunked Lear( the latter is housed in OM, after being booted from ATS_ is back at RU.
Andy did Great on the Kev show.



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 18th, 2010, 4:34pm

on Jul 18th, 2010, 3:41pm, DrDil wrote:
I just wanted to say when I initially referred to “seeing the strings” I wasn’t attributing these to a person but rather a metaphorical control-system with the strings that I said are glimpsed are the strings that control the system.

And the glimpse is a realisation rather than a rationalisation.



So I know I'm on the right track about what you are talking about would you pull out one example?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Jul 18th, 2010, 4:37pm

Okay so, I started taking random snapshots of the thing in that video, and I took one that really intrigued me. I no longer think balloon.

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Rather than the two things 'pointing out' of the circular bit of the object, similar to ears on a balloon or whatever, they look attached... fixed... to the sides, like wings or something.
Hard to explain, but more like this:

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...rather than this:

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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 18th, 2010, 4:41pm

I always did like Dr. Smith in the original B&W episodes of Lost in Space. As to strings, etc. metaphors or as Bela Lugosi said in an Ed wood film PULL DA STRING, PULL DA STRING. I really like the Great Green Dragon dialog he gives. It can all be found on UTube.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 18th, 2010, 4:58pm

Some pull them, some see them and some just wonder what everyone else is talking about....... like me, could somebody please just be specific... rolleyes thanks tongue

I'm guessing you are talking about the media, or some parts of it?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 18th, 2010, 5:02pm

on Jul 18th, 2010, 4:34pm, tomi01uk wrote:
So I know I'm on the right track about what you are talking about would you pull out one example?

It was really a throwaway comment and it’s hard to break it down into any kind of rational example.

But from personal experience I would say I experienced it upon realising what I now think is an undeniable reality and it’s that the ETH, human error and all the government-based conspiracy theories in the world combined *still* can’t suitably explain some of the more diverse aspects of the broader UFO phenomenon.

I obviously wasn’t the only one to think this because if we backtrack once again to Keel & Vallee then it was this genuine ‘out of the box’ thinking which elevated them above the majority of their peers. Pelicanist extraordinaire John Rimmer verbalises this better than I ever could (the Clark he refers to is Jerome Clark) the following is from Magonia (Jan 2nd 1999):

Quote:

In fact it would be hard to find a UFO magazine in the fifties and sixties which did not from time to time waste a great deal of paper in vague, speculative rambling articles – what Hilary Evans memorably describes as ‘deserts of arid speculation’ – about life and the universe. The magazines that didn’t, presumably Clark’s data correlators, were simply listings of cases; mostly uninvestigated reports from newspapers. These were, and are still, very useful in their way, but hardly represent the ‘hard work and shrewd analysis’ which Clark claims as a hallmark of the scientific ‘ufologists’.

This cosy sub-division of the subject came under threat in the seventies with the rise of two of Clark’s principal betes-noir, John Keel and Jacques Vallee. I agree that Keel was responsible for introducing a new element of anti-scientific irrationalism into the field of ufology, and in Magonia’s ‘25 Years Ago’ columns you will have read how Alan Sharp regularly locked horns with Keel over his lack of scientific credibility. In Keel’s favour it must be said that his investigations (and when all is said he probably did more first-hand investigation than most so-called scientific ‘ufologists’) opened out the field of ufology, and yes, Clark is right, helped undermine the complacent acceptance of the ETH amongst most ufologists.

Vallee is a scientist, and his first two books are still held up as examples of the kind of ‘correlative’ work that Clark assumes was the standard for ufologists at the time. The fact that they are still worth reading simply serves to demonstrate how little of that type of work was actually going on then. With Passport to Magonia Vallee moved into the realm of ’sixties counterculture’, in Clark’s view. I suspect that most of Vallee’s interest in ufology was fulfilled by the time he published Invisible College in the late seventies, and his later books are largely re-hashes or diaries of his more productive period.

The real problem for Clark’s thesis with both these writers is that they showed that the UFO phenomenon was not containable in a simple ETH pigeonhole. The problem was one of perception: the perception of what constituted a UFO report.




Cheers. smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 18th, 2010, 5:04pm

on Jul 18th, 2010, 4:37pm, CA519705950 wrote:
Okay so, I started taking random snapshots of the thing in that video, and I took one that really intrigued me. I no longer think balloon.

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Rather than the two things 'pointing out' of the circular bit of the object, similar to ears on a balloon or whatever, they look attached... fixed... to the sides, like wings or something.
Hard to explain, but more like this:

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...rather than this:

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They did a great job getting what video they could but even at that there is only so much video information to work with. Its strange, almost like a motorized balloon?

And speaking of hoaxters this might be interesting, and theres mention of a short film?

http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2010/07/mirage-men-by-mark-pilkington-covers-ufo-manipulations/
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 18th, 2010, 5:10pm

I am not referring to string theory, but to the seemingly random events of history that eventually set a system in motion. At least this is one of my meanings. To me there appears to be orchestration in these random events that would negate us calling them random. In no way does this relieve the self from using the tools it has to determine its own course, but I believe strong forces work around it. Call them what you want. Have belief in them or no belief in them, it is my opinion that they, whatever they are, are not affected by our beliefs on any level.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 18th, 2010, 5:46pm

on Jul 18th, 2010, 5:10pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I am not referring to string theory, but to the seemingly random events of history that eventually set a system in motion. At least this is one of my meanings. To me there appears to be orchestration in these random events that would negate us calling them random. In no way does this relieve the self from using the tools it has to determine its own course, but I believe strong forces work around it. Call them what you want. Have belief in them or no belief in them, it is my opinion that they, whatever they are, are not affected by our beliefs on any level.


The iChing etc. is an example of that in action according to Jung, I suppose.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 18th, 2010, 6:41pm

on Jul 16th, 2010, 6:44pm, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Hi Lev,

Is this a new version of your Thumper Drone I was asking about?

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Sorry to change the subject somewhat, but I was a-googling a short while ago and the kindly folks at Google, Inc. interrupted my search with one of their new-fangled 'Google Labs' applets (oddly named "Google Image Swirl") without my consent, natch.

I typed in 'stargate' just for chuckles and got this interesting flash-based result, similar to what Lev put into his updated thumper drone image:

http://image-swirl.googlelabs.com/html?q=stargate#1200

So then I typed in 'drone' and, well, you can try it for yourself.

I dunno, this tool might be useful in searching for ufo images and related stuff...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 18th, 2010, 6:45pm

Yes, the iChing, a particle accelerator, a dream, syncronicity, all may be crude viewers of what I refer to. Maybe we have a safety valve built in to keep us safe from the greatly sought ultimate and possibly crushing truth. Still I think one should pursue it, but with the trepidation of finding it.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 18th, 2010, 7:06pm

on Jul 18th, 2010, 5:10pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I am not referring to string theory, but to the seemingly random events of history that eventually set a system in motion. At least this is one of my meanings. To me there appears to be orchestration in these random events that would negate us calling them random. In no way does this relieve the self from using the tools it has to determine its own course, but I believe strong forces work around it. Call them what you want. Have belief in them or no belief in them, it is my opinion that they, whatever they are, are not affected by our beliefs on any level.


Intelligent design..or the self organization of plasma around impurities..precursuros of amino acids in space..but thats already in the scientific and even religious circles..
What has that got to do with the drones except they used symbology to evoke those in the observers and push it , agressively..something, if you ascribe to them.. Real Gods, demons or angels would have to do no..straight into the cropcircle. gobbledegook .free energy..and disclosure domains..
The Creators of the drone are simply serving the interests of their own pockets..of their own domains..was the only message I saw, quite Earthly origins..

why are you trying to make it some nefarious great philosohical discussion..It was a scam.

It was made to hoodwink..some people got took..and it failed wito take off..And now you, part of the deception/scheming process.. want to make it something meaningful and introspective..

Yeah Next time people.check your sources..
Anyone can make and write a good yarn if he does his homework..

This now..after listening to all of this tells me it belongs in a trash heap..even the blurs were more interesting..Take that to the Isaac team.

You should have remained banned..you have told us nothing to help..we already don't know..

Have a Gas with it Bro.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 18th, 2010, 7:33pm

I am as uninterested in what you have to say as you are in what I have to say. I do not like wordiness and those who appreciate what I say will appreciate it and those who subscribe to your words will continue to do so. I leave it at that.
L E V I A T H A N

Oh, and I am still technically banned, that is the reason I have to come here in a round about way. That is also why I can not use most of the features here. I also know that if THEY want to ban me they will. That is the reason I stick so closely to the rules of engagement.

I am not your Bro.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 19th, 2010, 02:43am

Yes sys, I was enjoying this conversation with Icarus and drdil. I was learning about the background of people and ideas in this matter. Being tempermental and controlling seems to be counter intuitive at times when all there is to learn is how others out there and each of us thinks. Which is healthy since we've been here for a fricking year now at least...

Gort asked why these people would be so devastated because their Mufon board closed down. Didn't others worry about you when you left for a break? We need to connect with others in reinforcing ways. Dispite our differences we still have something in common that connects us through our interest that others in our real life communities don't share.

We can meet real life friends through online communities. Even if people never meet in person, sometimes the exchanges can be so important to a person, I'm hardly going to judge others situations to criticise.

I've never visited the mufon forum once ever, that I can remember at least. But there are people here, in DRT and on OM I do care about. I've never met them in person but they have given me friendship and knowledge and entertainment. How can i thank Kat enough for introducing me to Roy Buchanan through his post? How can I thank OTF enough for all his patience helping me understand aspects of science? So much has been gained here by everyone from what we have shared through this saga. Icarus has a good brain. All these formidable minds will give us the ideas or insights we need to figure this out eventually. The ones who put this drone saga out will come as well to this forum, if they aren't lurking now. Let's allow everyone a platform with some margin of respect. IMO
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 19th, 2010, 04:19am

Since when is languishing in denial and comiserating with your peers at OM and DRT the vasis for coming here as Lev did to ying ying the same diatribe page after page..Now you want to make it a drama of epic proportions. Concern for fellow man? ..much less myself? while holding hands with a hoaxter..fawning and praising while hes part of the devastion of that people like that poor mufon person without a life now is experienceing? Thats a paradox to me..a real contradiction..sounds more like a death wish ..if its not hippocracy..Yes lurkers abound and they will never come out as long as you and lev and drt continue to make and glorify more than what it was ..a hoax ..you are doing the damage control as is lev..you both flitter back and forth..saying absolutely nothing of substance..he admitted..cause he was caught..not because of some comcern or reflections about his actions..
Imo..you are both liars.and drama llamas. to boot.
Ill call you as i see you and Bubba Bob there ..The oinly thing you learned was how to keep the chuck and jive going..we all see that..Take that maudlin attempt at vaudeville performance and polyester concern somewhere else..what you do is no different than trolling..look it up.

And just what would you say to the "lurking hoaxters?
How do you feel about them.. Just what would you ask them Tommi..? Do you have a stand on that? Do you have a stand on anything ? People that care about people as you say you do,,generally take a stand on something..or would you just continue the usual fawning over what you and Lev think of a masterpiece.?









Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 19th, 2010, 04:42am

Well sys, right now YOU are spinning everything into a dark drama. You think you own the show? If you want to call it a show realise that is YOUR reality you are selling. To others, like myself, it might be a thread where people who have a shared interest in this drone mystery want to meet and discus it. Along the way we hope to meet others who might have more insight. You have a very strange definition of troll IMO. Before you call others a troll....
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 19th, 2010, 04:48am

Its a show for you..not for me..I don't like liars and their debutantes..not my show..thats your department..and your platform..i'm asking you what is your position if you met them face to face what do you say? You say they are lurking? say something!..

Predictable..ie..just a thread continuing the same..as you are doing..right now..irrespective..of the findings..

That really speaks to how shallow your staements are.. and you would be the know first to know..what hijacking , distracting and derailing are....








Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 19th, 2010, 05:13am

on Jul 19th, 2010, 04:19am, Sysconfig wrote:
And just what would you say to the "lurking hoaxters?
How do you feel about them.. Just what would you ask them Tommi..? Do you have a stand on that? Do you have a stand on anything ? People that care about people as you say you do,,generally take a stand on something..or would you just continue the usual fawning over what you and Lev think of a masterpiece.?


Let me turn that question around since I can't predict what will turn up here providing they get the chance...

What would you say to them? Would you selfishly defeat everyone's efforts to get insight by dominating the platform and attacking? Thereby closing the door to new arrivals?

You have accused me of lying. That's an attack without validation. Like many you make. You believe I believe the drones are real. That is your reality not mine. I know I can't see my own blind spots real well, but I don't think I've lied about anything here. What business is it of yours anyway what I think? Or what Icarus thinks or DRT? Nobody is going to think the same as you. Obviously Bennett doesn't think the same as you, yet you quote him on one hand then contradict what he said in his article with your subsequent post.

You are nice to Lev in his blog and call him one of us in a previous post then the next thing we see is you turning on everyone like a pit viper. At least I'm consistant. Call that lying if you like, it's your interpretation and I can't do anything about that.

For the most part, I agree with Icarus about the drones. I suspect all of it is 100% hoax but what about that BB drone as well as other factors that even Colin highlighted. It keeps one interested even if it is 100% hoax, or 95%. If your not interested anymore why are you here? And please don't give me that "civic duty to save the world from hoaxes" stuff.. nobody tirades out of civic duty.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 19th, 2010, 06:58am

on Jul 19th, 2010, 04:19am, Sysconfig wrote:
And just what would you say to the "lurking hoaxters?
How do you feel about them.. Just what would you ask them Tommi..?


JMO but I think everyone's own MO here will cover all bases when ppl come in, as long as they have a chance.

But my MO would be what my Sicilian grandmother said to me long ago, I just offer them a glass of wine and let them talk.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 19th, 2010, 8:55pm

Well if the drones are to completely die someone must nail the final nail in the coffin said John Wayne as he rode off into the sunset of Batjack Productions.

The most interesting thing remaining IMHO is the inventory photo. Now lets see never say never bash his head on that.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 19th, 2010, 9:44pm

on Jul 19th, 2010, 8:55pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Well if the drones are to completely die someone must nail the final nail in the coffin said John Wayne as he rode off into the sunset of Batjack Productions.

The most interesting thing remaining IMHO is the inventory photo. Now lets see never say never bash his head on that.





I know you said that elsewhere, and - humor me for a moment, please:

What exactly are the elements that interest you in that inventory photocopy?

As a skilled CG craftsman with an artist's eye, you can reveal the points of interest and of mystery, of what makes it (the inventory) legit or not.

Would love to hear your analysis for real, Lev!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 19th, 2010, 10:00pm

Let me get my thoughts together and I will PM you on this and then you can decide without the dictates or ridicule of anyone.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 19th, 2010, 10:13pm

Thank you, Lev!

(My HS Junior son wants to get into CG and related digital creative techniques, so any information you send me will be of value to both of us. 'Respect the work' he always says to me...out of the mouth of kids, eh?)
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 20th, 2010, 1:15pm

I hope you received my PM and that it explains some ideas I have. I can not say the rest are either hoaxes or not. My suspicion is that it is an elaborate hoax, but there are parts of it that still interest me.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jul 20th, 2010, 2:28pm

on Jul 20th, 2010, 1:15pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I created the Birmingham Drone for sure, but there is no way I can say the rest is either a hoax or not.



This one is your's Mr. Smith?


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Dragonfly-shaped "drone," Birmingham, Alabama,
May 2006. Image © 2006 by Mr. Smith.


Episode 17 - Three Eyewitnesses of Mysterious Aerial "Drones"
Since May 5, 2007, images of dragonfly-shaped mysterious aerial objects have been sent to Earthfiles and other internet sites with reports by the alleged photographers in Lake Tahoe, Capitola and Central California. The photographs provoked three eyewitnesses to contact Earthfiles Editor and Reporter, Linda Moulton Howe, about seeing the approximately 25-foot-long "dragonfly" in 2006, 2005 and around 1987.

http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 20th, 2010, 2:54pm

I am educated well in the internet now. I am sure that you can understand that. I know nothing of your quote or have long forgotten it. As I have said recently, the internet has taught me to trust no one. Now I see you want to start some sort of game.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2010, 3:02pm

Quote:
You remember the stories John use to tell us about the the three chinamen playing Fantan?

This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."

I shall finish the game, Doc.

William H. Bonney (Young Guns II)


I shall finish the game.....
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 20th, 2010, 3:07pm

Figures.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2010, 3:11pm

on Jul 20th, 2010, 3:07pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Figures.

kiss

The game may be fixed Lev but it’s the only game in town,

Are you “all-in”?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by blackwater on Jul 20th, 2010, 8:19pm

on Jul 19th, 2010, 10:00pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Let me get my thoughts together and I will PM you on this and then you can decide without the dictates or ridicule of anyone.


What's wrong Lev, worried you might end up in the "Experts" section of the DRT forum? wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 20th, 2010, 9:05pm

I have learned to be careful among vipers of all descriptions. I am sure you have to.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 20th, 2010, 10:35pm

on Jul 20th, 2010, 9:05pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I have learned to be careful among vipers of all descriptions. I am sure you have to.


Sometimes even then that's not enough..

cheesy
That was one classy egress! Praise Gawwwd!
If he'd had the faith of the DRT..that never would'a happen'.

Being the G O D fearin Xian I am..( a chill just went up my spine hallelujah.)I tried to save Brother Atto..almost had him yanked in like a catfish...but it was hopeless..he was hell bent, as they say, on meeting the Royal lizard family ..probably the same Masonic manic illuminati ridden den of vipers (whew!)you mentioned a while back...was it the same family you worked for at that time? You do know Nikola .his site has gotten much better at presentation and looks very promising.. www.egrd.net .Is there anyway for him to redeem himself with that coven..on gp..as you are versed in these things..

That slip up was a terrible faux pas..if I say so myself..but we are human..but..what are your thoughts?

Don't worry bout vipers here..i spread so much turpentine and mothballs here..the closest they'll come by comparison..usin a broomstick is like from here to Texas and half way back..do tell..

Ps all..The Reyes Trial is scheduled for the first week or so in August.. I wonder if they televise/videotape as in some other parts?

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 21st, 2010, 11:13am

I wonder, how a demon can be afraid of a viper. But it is good to know, that demons fear a creature from our dimension. cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 21st, 2010, 2:41pm

on Jul 21st, 2010, 11:13am, SiddReader wrote:
But it is good to know, that demons fear a creature from our dimension. cool


Either that or he possessed my cat! grin

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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 21st, 2010, 3:12pm

Careful is not being afraid. Sys, I just do not bother with yours anymore. They actually hurt to plow through.

Now how have I mentioned demons!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 21st, 2010, 3:43pm

Are you confusing people and messages now?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 21st, 2010, 4:14pm

No, are you!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 21st, 2010, 4:55pm

If I do, I could say it is because all of those people from the farm with all those different names. You even irritated LMH with that Mr. Smith. It was one of the most funniest thing, when she wrote T.K.Davis and T.K.Smith in one and the same article.

I wonder, if she still thinks, the Alabama drone was true. But I bet she does not care at all. Maybe there should be more people, like Mr. Smith. But it only makes sense, if they come out in the light afterwards to show, how ridiculous the story was.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 21st, 2010, 5:04pm

I must be giving you the impression I care about the overall drone HOAX. I do not. I learned from it something you seem not able to do. The story of most events out of the ordinary are silly at least to you. Of course you let the trickster in, but as long as YOU invite him across YOUR threshold it is alright by me.

I learn from my enemies.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 21st, 2010, 5:15pm

The trickster was the only reason, why I ever followed this story.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Jul 21st, 2010, 5:30pm

on Jul 19th, 2010, 8:55pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The most interesting thing remaining IMHO is the inventory photo.

My apology if this has been beaten to death elsewhere (I'm sure most were embarassed ). Just some thoughts I've always had about that image. I mention them as a change of pace in this discussion. Maybe I'll learn something new and cross some ideas off the list. undecided

  1. It's a scan of a previously printed image not a photo. It adds to the suggested age of it. Was that the intent along with aiding in concealing Photo Shopping or CGI model piece imperfections? I'd like to do some tests on it to see if the halftone and line screening of the Isaac scan is consistent with standard printing practices. Was the original a B&W printed image or color? Looks B&W to me and it would have been a blunder to scan something from an inkjet or perhaps even laser(?).
  2. How was the Moire handled?
  3. Why the strange rotation? It is not natural and should have been landscape with the number identifiers rotated as well.
  4. Why no caption for the image on the page?
  5. It is interesting there is really no evidence of scale/size except what can be assumed from the other photos. Visual suggestions based on non-real objects? The 2 upper left markings believed tire marks that reinforce the scale suggestion.


Edited to remove strange symbols that appeared in place of '.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 21st, 2010, 6:55pm

Why not tell the trickster to its face what a fool it is and challenge it to respond in its on terms and time. That would prove your superiority. As to the inventory photo lets await the 10,000 page report Marvin or his like will have on it. It will not change my thoughts one bit. I am sure at least a 1000 pages reside somewhere already. I see him springing from his chair already. Here he comes now.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 21st, 2010, 7:08pm

Because the trickster is not a fool, but an honorable fooler. And I am not superiour to the trickster. I bow down before the devine principle of Pan - who you mentioned - Hermes, Loki, and espescially Elewwa, Elegba, the funniest tricksters of them all, who I love and honour. Also our old German Till Eulenspiegel was a very funny guy.

I would prefer, if you come out and attribute to the things, we did not find out yet. You are with us, so why not be with us?

I agree, it is not too important, since things are solved. But why not clear up the details, since we are talking here anyway? Or is it somehow important to you, to cover the foolishness of LMH? Are you blushing, if the pic to Atto is mentioned?

If not, why not talk about it? You are no demon anymore. Your are simply Bob. And Bob could help to answer the open questions. Or is there more to hide?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 21st, 2010, 7:23pm

Are you absolutely sure you wish to mention Pan. It is you who invoke this name and not me. How could a little Gawga Bob know anything about this. This is a site for the drones and not for Pan. Always remember I sent no invitation and when the others run here know well they know nothing of this one. When you throw a party be careful who you invite no matter what the fool you think IT is.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 21st, 2010, 7:29pm

This is your fear, not mine.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 21st, 2010, 7:34pm

He is right Lev....lol..no superiority of wits here..I'm as dumb as a box of rocks or a set of maraccas compared to you guys..whatever I learned was thru you .you Lev included..and yeah we do indulge in serious poking..but it is over..and details are a fantastic way to demonstrate what intellects can miss..and should note..we all learning bro..
For sure thanks to this ..to you...LMH and company's days are numbered..even forums will have to change and adapt...I already see it.maybe they will be replaced by more of same..but i think not..They are the dinosaurs,
..Lev..not you or us.....They were right years ago when someone said..the revolution will not be televised..
this will allow people to direct their energies and imagination not 20 degrees of a circle on some narrow fm band night show....but all 360 degrees open to all that is and is possible..
If it means anything..I cared very deeply for Atto..like Sidd and my other friends...he made me laugh..at a time in my life I needed laughter..we all do..
Sidd speaks from the heart as well as the mind..you can find no better audience than him to share..in fact..us..and we can find no better person than you to explain what Sidd and Katt asked..I know you can feel that energy..its not a negative one..its an all embracing one..

^i^


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 21st, 2010, 7:36pm

Before OM censored a post to the new mufon board I copied it.

http://ufomania.proboards.com/




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 21st, 2010, 7:39pm

Your fear is obvious and noted by them. Now enough of it. Sys, I do not read your garbage, you have joined the club. I suggest you do not read mine.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 21st, 2010, 7:41pm

Thank you Gort.
L E V I A T H A N
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 21st, 2010, 7:53pm

It always was obvious, that Lev lives through different phases. At this time he is not reachable from the outside anymore.

Your words pleased me, Sys, since we have seen other times.

But back to Lev: How do you think, that the trickster is on your side? It is you, who fears him. And maybe you are right. Be afraid of the trickster, because he carries a mirror, that shows your face.

That is all, what you should know about a trickster. The mirror!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 21st, 2010, 8:10pm

You placed the invitation and they visit you. What I know is not for you or your kind to know. You gave the clue and they responded. If you wish more just ask.

Now as to the drone, as is the subject of this thread, if a hoax one of many now and in the future. Nothing is new here. I feel sure someone somewhere is at work on a new hoax such as the Chinese Blur. The best thing to do is sit back and read the 10,000 word learned reports from unimaginative bores.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 21st, 2010, 8:27pm

Answer again, when your health allows it. It is not necessary to answer, while you don't feel well.

But since we understand your state of health, there is no blame to those crazy statements. We just will wait, until you come back again.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by murnut on Jul 21st, 2010, 8:32pm

Is it over?

We need to have a party
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 21st, 2010, 8:52pm

Reader, sorry you invited and they will come. The party, well I will remain away. Now as to the fading drones, three years and counting. As someone of little import said about the game, I will stay until the end. So is it the end!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 21st, 2010, 9:11pm

on Jul 21st, 2010, 8:32pm, murnut wrote:
Is it over?

We need to have a party


No Andy,

we only got a follow fashion monkey, who has extreme health problems.

But at least this solved the thumper drone and the Alabama Smith thing.

Right now there won't be no more, because Lev is back to the demon-stage again. Maybe he will recover soon and tell us more about what he knows.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 21st, 2010, 9:13pm

on Jul 21st, 2010, 8:52pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Reader, sorry you invited and they will come. The party, well I will remain away. Now as to the fading drones, three years and counting. As someone of little import said about the game, I will stay until the end. So is it the end!


Hehe, so it was always the aim to get Reader? Funny stuff! grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 21st, 2010, 9:24pm

I must admit your sickness is not health related. You just now understand the Alabama thing and best of all have accepted it. Good that is all you get. I am sorry to see you go, you bring the fun back. Reader their time is not yours and who speaks of demons unless you consider Pan one.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Gort on Jul 21st, 2010, 10:11pm

on Jul 21st, 2010, 7:41pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Thank you Gort.
L E V I A T H A N


You’re welcome, interesting how much alike OMF and that MUFON board were. I think they share(ed) moderators

edit to add - and they both suck

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 22nd, 2010, 12:00am



Glad You said you are staying till its over..
.

cool Kewl Daddio! cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jul 22nd, 2010, 07:57am

on Jul 21st, 2010, 8:32pm, murnut wrote:
Is it over?

We need to have a party



Hey Mur! It's great to see you posting again!

If we party, then the first round is on me... heck, I will even buy for Lev. Lev seems like an interesting person, a bit twisted (but interesting)... maybe being twisted is due to personality, maybe it is due to agenda, or even it maybe due to being under contract.

There are some very interesting timing issues for the posting of all of the different versions of the Drone Hoax. Levs admissions keep the time line (for his hoaxes) very tight (when compared to the other hoax releases)... you know, in order to conceptualize, design, take the photos, create the CGI to go with the photos, contact LMH and release the hoax photos. That takes time, that takes coordination... it takes a plan.



Lev's first admitted hoax was released to the public on Jun 29 2007.

Now the second admitted hoax was released to LMH on May 23 2007.

Very busy months for the Drones, May and June of 2007... with the first Drone being reported by Chad on May 10 2007. The timing makes one ponder the possibilities.


Edit... someone keeps changing the post, maybe the Mods can look at why?

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 22nd, 2010, 08:50am

on Jul 22nd, 2010, 07:57am, Marvin wrote:
Lev's first admitted hoax was released to the public on Jun 29 2007.

Now the second admitted hoax was released to LMH on May 23 2007.
... The timing makes one ponder the possibilities.



Er...time travel is it?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 22nd, 2010, 08:58am

That was said with a grin by the way...

I am likewise glad to see the rest of the crew popping in like this.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Jul 22nd, 2010, 09:34am

on Jul 22nd, 2010, 08:50am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Er...time travel is it?


Quote:Icarus
Timing and the lie of coincidence needs to be looked at with care. With care.


Thus spoke Icarus!

I agree
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 22nd, 2010, 12:30pm

on Jul 21st, 2010, 8:52pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Now as to the fading drones, three years and counting. As someone of little import said about the game, I will stay until the end.

Ha, ha, right back at you sweetheart!! kiss

on Jul 19th, 2010, 4:11pm, DrDil wrote:
If the acid splashes back then perhaps you should just stop throwing it?

on Jul 19th, 2010, 4:16pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I do not recall throwing it. If I did, I must apologize for the attempt or my aim.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 22nd, 2010, 1:08pm

Well at least it was not 1000 words in length.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 22nd, 2010, 1:11pm

on Jul 22nd, 2010, 1:08pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Well at least it was not 1000 words in length.

Heh, heh, lighten up Lev. grin

Quality, quantity, both or neither, it’s all good!!


Cheers.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 22nd, 2010, 4:33pm

on Jul 21st, 2010, 9:24pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I am sorry to see you go, you bring the fun back.


Don't worry, I will stay or at least be lurking. And if I find some fun, I will bring it back to you. wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Jul 23rd, 2010, 2:53pm

on Jul 22nd, 2010, 08:50am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Er...time travel is it?



Something to ponder...

There is a 12 day window to:

1. Learn about the first Drone released by Chad.

2. Be inspired by Chad's Drone.

3. Create his own hoax (with photos, support story and the original name of John Smith).

4. Deliver the hoax to LMH.


Either Lev was very fast to react to Chad's hoax and create a copycat... or maybe Lev was honest about being a part of a group.


edit... someone keeps changing the post, maybe the Mods will look into it.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 25th, 2010, 12:02pm

Icarus, you talk about the Illuminati, or powerful families, you also talk about disinformation.

There is so much absurdity about but also so much to consider about the underlying foundations contributing to the absurdity, using powerful foundations and departments etc. Without consciously knowing?

Here is an article (more like an essay) that once you chew through it (if you do) it will make sense to what I'm going to show below:

http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2010/07/child-brides-from-outer-space-part-2/#comments

What else I wanted to show you is this 4 part series:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/century_of_the_self.shtml

It is 4 hours, each part one hour, part one starts here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6718420906413643126#

The reason I'm putting all this out, if you get through any of it, would you give me some idea how your Illuminati group of families would have fit into any of this?

As well as how you think the drone saga may have been created from this vat of resources and why?

Thanks and sorry for so much stuff to look through to address this, if you choose to.


edit to add:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6718420906413643126#docid=-6111922724894802811

Part 3 above @ 40 mins describes the kind of events Elijah described, which I didn't realise were so institutionialised.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by blackwater on Jul 25th, 2010, 4:15pm

Well I don't know about connections to the Illuminati, disinformation, or drones, but I'll vouch for Tomi that the Century of the Self documentary is phenomenal.


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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 25th, 2010, 9:54pm

I am not in the business of promoting the Illuminati. Reader and sys have changed my mine on this. The information I have is best left to me. These families rule and who am I to martyr myself for them. I will receive no reward from showing any other info and will be called a liar again. All are liars to some extent, so the label is not so hurt some to me, but these families will only gain more of their plan from exposure to the majority and for that I wish no part. Believe as you will and accept the world you help make.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Jul 26th, 2010, 07:21am

on Jul 25th, 2010, 9:54pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I am not in the business of promoting the Illuminati. Reader and sys have changed my mine on this.


So you were in the business of promoting the Illuminati, but two strangers changed your mind? rolleyes

on Jul 25th, 2010, 9:54pm, Icarus99 wrote:
The information I have is best left to me.


...so says the men and women who have no information at all...

on Jul 25th, 2010, 9:54pm, Icarus99 wrote:
These families rule and who am I to martyr myself for them.


Nobody important is buying what you are selling... ok business man?

Your pathetic attempt to make yourself look like a saviour/martyr with vital information about a secretive group that may or may not even exist is a complete joke.

You have nothing but a wild imagination and an extreme case of megalomania.

Nobody in this day and age "rules". There only exist people with more or less wealth and connections. The only thing anyone rules over are people like you who cower down in front of them and submit to them mentally because they happen to have more wealth and connections than others. Only materialistic lost souls believe ones with the most wealth and connections rule. They are the ones who bathe in fear and continue the illusion of power by spreading ideas that there is a secret group of rulers controlling their every move.

You have mentally enslaved yourself over ideas passed on to you from other mental slaves. Just like the slave you are, you help the imaginary slave masters enslave others by passing on the same ideas.

You are the exact opposite of enlightened.

on Jul 25th, 2010, 9:54pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I will receive no reward from showing any other info and will be called a liar again. All are liars to some extent, so the label is not so hurt some to me,


Not everyone creates fake evidence, fake people, fake stories, fake information, etc. and then parades around on the net as if they were real. Only pathological liars do that.

No, you wont get a reward for showing fake information. Yes, you will be called liar again... a pathological liar... who should be locked up in a mental hospital.

on Jul 25th, 2010, 9:54pm, Icarus99 wrote:
but these families will only gain more of their plan from exposure to the majority and for that I wish no part.


If "they" would gain more of "their" plan from exposure, then how did you come to the conclusion that you would become a "martyr" if your information is released? Why did you even entertain the idea of a reward?

Your lies are not even well thought out... rolleyes

on Jul 25th, 2010, 9:54pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Believe as you will and accept the world you help make.


You should add that disclaimer to all your lies (posts).

You are a joke "Leviathan".

Leviathan was a seven-headed serpent... which head am I speaking to?

You sealed your fate when you chose your name. Leviathan is destroyed by a hero in the end.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by TheShadow on Jul 26th, 2010, 10:11am

Nobody buys it with the exception of one extermely gullible gal residing in the UK!!! But then again she still believes in drones and the easter bunny as well!!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 26th, 2010, 11:42am

Too funny, but no further info on this particular subject from me. The reasoning you use is of such a childish nature, should we draw something from that!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 26th, 2010, 4:12pm

Wikileaks is worldwide in the media today. Maybe you can tell them, what you know and become anonymous again. But beware: They don't publish every nonsense!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 26th, 2010, 4:16pm

Of course Icarus, what was said by Shads above doesn't make sense. If I thought they were real why would I be annoying you?

Anyway, bear with us, grin

Where was I? tongue Let's see.. rolleyes Ok.. Well I think those four hours of Century of Self and the four hours to read though Colins essay.. wink must mean I'm pretty damn gullible to spend 8 hours learning about being gullible.

So .. any questions you will answer? wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 26th, 2010, 4:20pm

No thank you. I have learned the tricks, which posters like you believe you are proficient in and with all due respect decline from any discussion on certain subjects of my choosing. Even though I like the spider, it is the creator of webs set to catch its sustenance of little flies.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 26th, 2010, 4:37pm

Personally I'm afraid of spiders so I hope you weren't talking to me. Blech ! shocked

And webs... sticky business. Marvin made a point about time frames, ocurred to me as well. How quick on the draw (excus the pun) you were at that early time.

I'd say you saw something on the web, caught on quite quickly, put your own out, it went viral to at least a few who saw it too.. the rest is a history you just happened to get caught up in.

If that is the case, is there any reason why not to help solve it? What is that thing over in the DRT forum you keep saying you wouldn't go near? Still wondering about that.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 26th, 2010, 4:50pm

Mhm... A hoaxer is afraid of the hoax hunters. That's the way it should be.

I thought, I could offer him a beer or two, for playing the Mr. Smith for LMH. But obviously he is afraid, he would leak more, while enjoying the beer.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 26th, 2010, 5:01pm

Of course the hunted is wary of the hunter. This necessitates being prepared for the hunter and LEARNING from the hunter. Learning is the key with me.

Tomi to some degree you are correct, but a strange thing happened at that time. Something that would only produce more words from the surrounding players. I believe even Marvin would find this event odd, but it would cost me more that I would gain.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 26th, 2010, 5:25pm

on Jul 26th, 2010, 5:01pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Of course the hunted is wary of the hunter. This necessitates being prepared for the hunter and LEARNING from the hunter. Learning is the key with me.

Tomi to some degree you are correct, but a strange thing happened at that time. Something that would only produce more words from the surrounding players. I believe even Marvin would find this event odd, but it would cost me more that I would gain.


To some degree I'm correct? That's like being a little bit pregnant... cool I hope you will humor me here but...

You felt compelled to do this Alabama drone, which compelled 2 other people to report seeing it as well.. Even in retrospect.. ! Meanwhile, 6 Levs (who's counting?) come into the drone saga drawing attention to themselves and the drones, while other reports and pictures get released...

And you think we might have a problem with your MIB story? nah....... not at this point grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 26th, 2010, 5:27pm

on Jul 26th, 2010, 5:01pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Of course the hunted is wary of the hunter. This necessitates being prepared for the hunter and LEARNING from the hunter. Learning is the key with me.


Only if you want to go on with your hoaxes. wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 26th, 2010, 5:39pm

See Icarus, those 4 hours of Century of Self made me even more capable of believing that some institution or group, such as Scientology, Esslam, or some oraganisation with a motivating factor was responsible for the drone saga. The fact we haven't had anyone leak anything yet about it, ... or claim royalties for use of the LAP tells me this is a possibility.

Only loyalty to a group would make sense here for you are not easily scared...... IMO
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 26th, 2010, 5:46pm

The MIB episode is something entirely different. I refer to what happened between the time I saw the first Drone photo and when I constructed one. The next drone photo shocked me as to its content. I can not explain why others picked out the Alabama/ Georgia drone as similar to what they had seen. The MIB episode is probably not related to the drones even though I did report it to LMH.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 26th, 2010, 5:52pm

Well... any elaboration at this point I hope won't produce ridicule but if it does from certain players, so what? You have enough skins wink

So you were shocked by the next one? Not the BB one?


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 26th, 2010, 5:52pm

It is not loyalty to a group in my case, but exposure to how the world works. In England and America I have seen the underlying system of power. In most cases it is through the bloodline with naturally an abundance of wealth. You may certainly vote for whom you choose, but expect no change.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Jul 26th, 2010, 5:57pm

on Jul 26th, 2010, 5:52pm, Icarus99 wrote:
It is not loyalty to a group in my case, but exposure to how the world works. In England and America I have seen the underlying system of power. In most cases it is through the bloodline with naturally an abundance of wealth. You may certainly vote for whom you choose, but expect no change.


Sigh.. tell me about it.. rolleyes
I'm watching this follow up 3 part series now:
"The Trap"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=404227395387111085#

Except for whistleblowers we got no hope.. wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 26th, 2010, 5:58pm

Right! What you get is the terminator from Austria! That's in the DNA of the Americans.

Are you entertaining us now? Nice!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 26th, 2010, 6:17pm

It is not a position it is a fact. I have known these types, most without any political office, oh perhaps a title or two, who would just tell you the way things are and then ask you what you will do about it. Do you plan a revolution like the others (all manipulated). Do you plan a media blitz on an owned media. They will tell you sacrificing a few is no problem (even in a Paris tunnel or Dallas street). Does any of this connect with the drones or MIB, etc? As a control system I would say yes. Now just what are any of you planning to do about it! Wait for Martians, for if that is what you want they will provide them.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 26th, 2010, 6:22pm

I only can speak for myself. I know, that this is all BS and I either can laugh together with you and you tell me about the other connections in the background - like that starhammer-Daniel - or you don't want to talk about it anymore and I am satisfied either.

The latter would mean, you are the only hoaxer, who was exposed in this game. Enough for me. Hope you do more of your arts in the future. The landscapes were beautiful!
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 26th, 2010, 6:32pm

If you think I am the only hoaxer, I win in ways beyond your understanding. If you believe the world is not controlled, you either have a privileged position or are ignorant of reality. It is not my job to convince you of the world paradigm or the drone hoax or whatever it is. Time will pay you the price you think you seek and you will be surprised at the pay master.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 26th, 2010, 6:38pm

Wrong answer. Be lucky with it.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 26th, 2010, 6:45pm

Right answer, look behind you.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by SiddReader on Jul 26th, 2010, 7:01pm

Last reply: There are more important things going on right now.

But I could bite you in your neck, when you think I am gone. wink Just to answer your childish insinuations... Of course, I won't appear in your mirror. Only you will!

Bye.

Reader, SiddReader, Siddharta, WildAlf and so forth...
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 26th, 2010, 7:12pm

Thanks for the warning and a fond farewell. BTW there will always be more important things going on.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 27th, 2010, 7:23pm

Hey guys,

Over at 'that other place,' Ted resurfaced, demanding this:
"I want ANSWERS!!!!!!"

Don't we all...don't we all.

Oh, BTW, I might be going 'barmy,' but when did Sid become merely a Guest here?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Jul 28th, 2010, 1:12pm

on Jul 27th, 2010, 7:23pm, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Hey guys,

Over at 'that other place,' Ted resurfaced, demanding this:
"I want ANSWERS!!!!!!"

Don't we all...don't we all.

Oh, BTW, I might be going 'barmy,' but when did Sid become merely a Guest here?

Your post was the first I knew but it must have been his own decision and so deleted the account himself.

Cheers.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 28th, 2010, 4:44pm

So Ted wants ANSWERS! I wonder where he will find them. Seems the 3 year search has lead to nothing but a hoax. I have also noticed that many who leave here return as if through a swing door. Dramatic effect I suppose. I am still interested in the inventory photo, if for no other reason than its banality and simplicity.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 28th, 2010, 7:14pm

I am totally impressed with this droneart piece...could be great in oils on canvas appropriately framed or even woven into a nouveau tapestry.

Well done, Lev!

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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Jul 28th, 2010, 7:27pm

Hey Lev,

On that inventory photo...how would you or someone with your CG skills go about creating those mechanical parts lying on a concrete slab? All CG or a composite with a GC layer over a concrete photo slab?

I personally believe those metal parts exist as I have found several analogues in current man-made machinery. Several parts appeared damaged and show up on the various drone photos especially the all-inclusive BB drone iteration.

I refer to this here:

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Also, those inventory parts in the photo do not have any alien writing or LAP diagrams at all, or am I wrong?

If a commentary is not appropriate here could you please PM me with the details.

Thanks, Lev.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Jul 28th, 2010, 8:15pm

PM sent.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by CA519705950 on Aug 6th, 2010, 11:21am

Although it's obviously fake, did anyone see this: http://feedlot.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html?
Scroll down to the 'UFO Nebraska' bit and take a look.
Here's the image:

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I've not seen this one on any drone sites.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Aug 7th, 2010, 11:45am

Lot's of coincidences these days....

@Icarus.. Anyone you know about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Dellschau

"Dellschau wrote of the human race -- and even the planet Earth -- as if he stood apart from it. One peculiar paragraph of his oddly archaic German reads: "Your Christian love reaches for the Wanderplace, and wanders away from Earth. Planets there are enough where Christian love shall be as we say so nicely in the Book Selag."

"The "Aero Club" was a branch of a larger secret society whose initials Dellschau gives as "NYMZA." He says little about this society except to observe that in 1858 it was headed by a George Newell in Sonora.

Extracted from:
http://www.textfiles.com/bbs/KEELYNET/GRAVITY/aero1.asc


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Taken from: http://shishigami.com/3d/book/
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Aug 10th, 2010, 06:36am

Well.... I guess the answer is no then huh

Taking a different track here, I wanted to show this to you, Icarus, because I thought he would be familiar?
If not, you may enjoy anyway...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Gu%C3%A9non
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Aug 10th, 2010, 5:07pm

on Aug 10th, 2010, 06:36am, tomi01uk wrote:
Well.... I guess the answer is no then huh

Taking a different track here, I wanted to show this to you, Icarus, because I thought he would be familiar?
If not, you may enjoy anyway...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Gu%C3%A9non

Hi Tomi,


Did you post this at 4:30am?!

(I thought I was bad. grin)



Cheers.








(kiss)

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Aug 11th, 2010, 02:13am

on Aug 10th, 2010, 5:07pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Tomi,


Did you post this at 4:30am?!

(I thought I was bad. grin) kiss



Cheers.

(kiss)


Up at 4:30 am, with the "Duke of Earl" playing in your head, trying to comprehend Guenon the night before......
I hope you don't have it this bad grin kiss wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Aug 13th, 2010, 8:14pm

Very interesting coincidence! The last name has been cast in many different spellings.
Be Seeing You In Time
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Aug 26th, 2010, 02:18am

on Aug 25th, 2010, 9:31pm, Atto wrote:
User Image

Forgotten but not gone.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Aug 26th, 2010, 03:30am

Atto does this metal work herself?
Incredible mind this person has. Just wish I could comprehend what it is always producing.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=usersrecentposts&user=Atto

edit to add: any idea what that thing is huh
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Sep 2nd, 2010, 7:43pm

French names are often anglicized.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Sep 3rd, 2010, 1:41pm

on Aug 26th, 2010, 03:30am, tomi01uk wrote:
Atto does this metal work herself?
Incredible mind this person has. Just wish I could comprehend what it is always producing.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=usersrecentposts&user=Atto

edit to add: any idea what that thing is huh



What do you know about microwave technology?

What do you know about Magnetic levitation (electrodynamic suspension)?


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 3rd, 2010, 4:01pm

on Sep 3rd, 2010, 1:41pm, Marvin wrote:
What do you know about Magnetic levitation (electrodynamic suspension)?

nothing...

Quote:
What do you know about microwave technology?

Pretty much everything I know about microwave technology I've learned from watching: cheesy









Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by LoneGunMan on Sep 3rd, 2010, 4:33pm

What the heckhuh?? That ain't 'The Stig'!!!!! huh huh cool

Lone
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Sep 3rd, 2010, 5:31pm

on Sep 3rd, 2010, 4:33pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
What the heckhuh?? That ain't 'The Stig'!!!!! huh huh cool

Lone

How do you know? wink


Cheers!! grin

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 9th, 2010, 06:58am

Continuing education never hurts:

http://www.viddler.com/explore/cij/videos/47/
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 9th, 2010, 07:59am

Esp grin

http://www.xs4all.nl/~suelette/underground/Underground.pdf
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 9th, 2010, 12:00pm

hehehe...

"The Inner Sanctum was not, however, the only private room. Two hacking groups, Elite and H.A.C.K., guarded entry to their yet more exclusive back rooms. Even if you managed to get entry to the Inner Sanctum, you might not even know that H.A.C.K. or Elite existed. You might know there was a place even more selective than your area, but exactly how many layers of the onion stood between you and the most exclusive section was anyones guess. Almost every hacker interviewed for this book described a vague sense of being somehow outside the innermost circle. They knew it was there, but wasnt sure just what it was." page 51

Just how many Illuminati's are there Icarus? wink grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Sep 9th, 2010, 12:39pm

The PTB certainly operate at different levels and not necessarily linear. They operate at their pleasure and some are smart and some or stupid, but the hierarchy of design and discipline is sufficient to make the show run, along with a little non-natural management. Now to see their plan look at what is being sought in major universities. The human will change and some may believe they can be ahead in this game acquiring a significant change in humanities future.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 9th, 2010, 12:49pm

Ok... but in what way or from what aspect of concern would the drone saga slip into their agenda?

Just a hypothetical theory will do ..

And PTB covers a very wide area .. what echelon would we be talking here?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Sep 9th, 2010, 1:52pm

Would you agree that the drone design was very unconventional and that the LAP and other elements were at the very least a complex hoax. The drone has introduced the acceptance, at least by a few, of a new type of alien imagination. Also look at the number of posts it generated on the various websites. Few have seen any significance to this number. If a group studies responses to any and all things introduced to society, which is by no means impossible now, then why not the drones. The drones are well embedded in the internet now and for the future.

I have decided to use the PTB term instead of Illuminati because the term Illuminati is easily made a silly term.

Here I speak of the Shadow Governments in each country as a very basic level of the PTB. Remember they are never elected, appointed not elected.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 9th, 2010, 2:00pm

Ok... but I fail to see how this can really be of interest except to social anthropologists or .. huh

trying hard to think of what other group could benefit and why from this drone saga..

follow the benefit .. but first you have to figure out what benefit?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Sep 9th, 2010, 2:20pm

The benefit is not from the drones alone but the entirety of the phenomena (crop circles, hauntings, etc.) and this would include the new or revived interest in the occult. Don't misunderstand, all data is studied from all sectors. Those who reacted to the drones now and in the future, but their signature is noted, be sure of that.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 9th, 2010, 2:30pm

Yes, but even our resident social anthropologist has gone mia .. tongue Leaving Miss Marple and other masterpieces in his wake..

The drone saga has certainly sired and inspired..... but to whose benefit and for what?


edit to add:

If that Isaac brass plate is real you show in your blog, then rubbings would be fantastic..
limited edition of course smiley
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Sep 9th, 2010, 3:22pm

Look at any story or event and ask this same question. It could well be that the story or event generates its own small deviations that in addition to others add up to something that changes the course of big events. The PTB are not above using subtle methods.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 9th, 2010, 4:34pm

on Sep 9th, 2010, 3:22pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Look at any story or event and ask this same question. It could well be that the story or event generates its own small deviations that in addition to others add up to something that changes the course of big events. The PTB are not above using subtle methods.


Hmmmm .. All that writing in the InternalAstronaut site. All that creative work, words, story lines, art, scripting etc.. esp the written material.. Sure took a lot of effort, money and time. Not to mention inspiration from various backgrounds and substances..
Any thoughts on that as well?

Could cutbacks be at work here because nobody I know has gotten their IA packages yet.. rolleyes

Any ideas about this Icarus?

Would hate to jump to conclusions about a PTB with an agenda when it comes to the IA..
could just as well be a well heeled fraction from David Lynch for all we know..

edit to add: I'm having a hard time associating David Lynch (for example)
and the PTB with having a similiar agenda..
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Sep 9th, 2010, 8:16pm

What is an IA package!

The PTB (at a certain level) may not have similar agendas. The various agendas may well fit together only at some future date. The PTB probably represent many circles within circles with I suspect the internet playing a growing role. As clich as it sounds, computers or their next incarnation will by all accounts play a very important role in maintaining and implementing the agendas. The individual is still not the most important cog even with the PTB. There is surely a source of power or force of extra-nature involved. A normal human can only go so far unless invited and equipped.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 10th, 2010, 08:55am

on Sep 9th, 2010, 8:16pm, Icarus99 wrote:
What is an IA package!



To quote:

Care-Package contains: *stickers, *cards and information specific to your current x, y coordinate and (if you so choose) the significant correlation between it (your whereabouts now) and your birth x, y position.

* Stickers and cards are given to agents and affiliates so that they may be given the opportunity to spread the IA objective to uninitiated individuals. Such methods include: placing said items in books, magazines and other places that they feel would create the most intrigue and curiosity.

We will send you an operative kit and will brief you on several IASR objectives. We will periodically present you with assignments; however, it is up to you whether to accept them or to turn them down.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 10th, 2010, 3:28pm

Need Translations please...
just found this:

http://videos-bluesplayer.co.uk/video/vii39OScjLE/CARET-loquendo.html
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Sep 10th, 2010, 5:38pm

Quote:
Care-Package contains: *stickers, *cards and information specific to your current x, y coordinate and (if you so choose) the significant correlation between it (your whereabouts now) and your birth x, y position.

* Stickers and cards are given to agents and affiliates so that they may be given the opportunity to spread the IA objective to uninitiated individuals. Such methods include: placing said items in books, magazines and other places that they feel would create the most intrigue and curiosity.

We will send you an operative kit and will brief you on several IASR objectives. We will periodically present you with assignments; however, it is up to you whether to accept them or to turn them down.


I must admit, truly funny.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 14th, 2010, 1:44pm

Icarus, are the three bottom pictures (with the blurs) in your blog part photograph or are they created from scratch?
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Sep 14th, 2010, 3:43pm

Part photograph and no photoshop was used or needed.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 14th, 2010, 5:49pm

Anyways, very good as always.

Your two alien robots in the top pictures really get to me.. their placement in the scenes is great too.

btw, were those photos or partial or were the backgrounds from scratch, (the ones with the robots)?

The third one down (robot painting) has a photographic look to it.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Sep 16th, 2010, 6:16pm

They are all part photo and part extra bits. I appreciate your understanding composure and thank you for your comments. I do not like photoshop and never use it to blend elements it is not required. BTW the robots are CG models that can be posed.
L E V I A T H A N
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 17th, 2010, 01:23am

Your work is very very fine. The expressions given to those robots convey a feeling about them.. You have an excellent eye Icarus. A mastery at putting drama or feelings into your work taken from natural scenes.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 17th, 2010, 07:20am

I may have stumbled upon something and I need your help Icarus.

My hardware is an XP Pro OS running a Radion HD 4800 graphics card. I haven't shut down for over 24 hours now. I was playing a video in the background on VLC and brought up your web page to look again at your images.

What I'm seeing in the images on your web page is pretty crazy. It's as if certain black areas in some of your pictures are transparent and the video image in the background is showing through.

I took a screen shot with screen hunter and as you can see, this is something that will not appear once captured:

User Image

So I used my webcam to take some images so others can see what I'm talking about:

User Image

User Image


This glitch is even showing up on the photo used in the header here in this forum:


User Image

So, while I've got this bug happening in my PC, I immediately started to try all the drone photos and material from Isaac I had handy. So far I'm seeing this "transparancy", for lack of a better description, showing up only in several photos. Here is a rough capture of one: I will check all of them and try to get images as clearly as possible as the day progresses.

User Image

Obviously if I shut down my machine or close this video I'm possibly going to lose this advantageous bug atm.

If you can give some indication of what type of process was applied to that area in your photo where the video is bleeding through, that may help us know of any processes in the drone images.

I'm going to post this to DRT to help get feedback too.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Sep 17th, 2010, 08:42am

One possibility is that the game has changed your video settings. That is quite common and you get posterization due to reduced number of colors or different pallete. If the game is running in a seperate window or session this would affect everything. It can even stay after the game is closed. It's happened to me on PC. Video cards and their drivers get buggy.

The video may be bleeding through colors considered transparent. It does not seem too strange an occurance to me.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 17th, 2010, 08:51am

It was 24 hours and in that time I played a bit of Oblivion and then was playing a movie I downloaded on the player VLC. So it is while this movie is up and playing on VLC that I can see this transparancy.

I've taken videos of it though the web cam of several places in the drone photos where this is showing through, it becomes quite apparent when you see the flickering light showing through in these areas.

Ive brought up all of Isaacs documents and it doesn't show through.

I've brought up the original thumper image from Lev and it doesn't show through.

In Lev's blog the top image has NO transparacy showing through.
The brass plate and other pictures do not either.
Only the ones with the robot have show through.

So far, it appears to show though only in certain dark areas on certain photos I bring up.

Other photos with just as dark areas has no show through.

I've sent the videos I made of this to OTF. I will send them to you too.

Waiting to know if any particular process has caused some areas of some photos to behave this way.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Sep 17th, 2010, 08:52am

These will not appear on screencaptures which is why Lev started using screencaptures after I posted similar on all his images which were at one point all jpg or bmp, including his original avatars as masker 33 . If you use the blur brush uou can get similar effect, it may have been gimp or Photoshoshops inexpensive version.. if one were erasing a stained glass top on of another image. The only explanation given by Wayne at ATS was one can get it iff like taking fotos of images on a xmas ornament. Not very satisfactory..but that was all he could determine. You Should try it on Kris too, like his last foto at omf.. see if this is a localized effect particular to these fotos only and non drone pctures..which will tell you its a glitch...Some artifacts are particular to graphics cards..resembling black lettering, but nothing comapared to the images and scenery I had.
It may be just a process he used that is inexpensive and easy to do, which won't tell you who unless they put their mugs and signatures in the images as well. He only used his mug on one image in the Lev Gallery ..A globe with his or a crew member, image on it.on a stand..interocitor style. A few of the past images also had images of rabbits..and faces but nothing pointing to who or what.
It may as well have been a rabbit chase.
If we see them now, its no accident, and he wants us to see exactly what he wants us to see and do.
Another rabbit to chase. Good Luck!

Edit..I just noted you used it on this forums headers..if you getting same imagery on non drone and other fotos..then it has to be card related. and you'll find plenty on that, even happens to cameras I believe.

I was wondering when lev will put a higher res pic of his brass plated image..rather unlike him to put a crappy res image of anything.




Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 17th, 2010, 09:10am

Here is an example of it showing up in salads graphic, but not in the one enhanced by lev which I had put together:

User Image


The funny thing about this, is it is only showing up in certain photos.. maybe it is just color mapping as OTF says but I wonder if a process is involved, because the other photos I've checked which is a lot do not have this bleedthrough, only in darkest areas on some, darkest areas on others, no.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Sep 17th, 2010, 09:27am

Some of them can look very arty..even surreal..Some great art was smuggled like that at one time..one image (painting) over another..
Nice intermission

Tis may be the only time we see his face..looks young for someone that can talk shop about interocitors
User Image

It is confusing Tomi..Trust me I been there..I have some of Levs other mast heads at other sites like DR Sterns..and old nlog..Maybe he donatded some pix here..I don't know I think Chris donated some to OMF I believe. So I would try another set way away from any of the players..then if nothing..you can ask why only these players.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 17th, 2010, 10:00am

No bleedthrough on that one sys. I downloaded all the Chad images and checked each and only see this transparancy bleeding through on two of the them and only in the darkest areas. It's probably a color table corruption as OTF said to me.

Ahhh big dummie me.. I have just realised that there can't be artifacts in jpgs.. I don't think.. huh
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Sep 17th, 2010, 10:03am

This one is a screen cap shot..I was only posting it to show the face
Ill make a list if a few and port them later for you ..I'm at work and have a prg to do..
Cyas
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 17th, 2010, 10:09am

I know whose face that is sys, but I can't remember his name. He was a blogger who wrote a scathing article about the drones and is a hot shot Photoshop user. I'm sure drdil knows who that is. I think lev took his picture and made him look like this, if I remember correctly.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Sep 17th, 2010, 10:10am

on Sep 17th, 2010, 10:03am, Sysconfig wrote:
This one is a screen cap shot..I was only posting it to show the face
Ill make a list if a few and port them later for you ..I'm at work and have a prg to do..
Cyas


Hey Lev you still part your hair down middle?..must have long hair..are you crosseyed or is that just looking too close at the lens..



ahhh thank for that update. Tommi...on that blogger..
The faces i got in my other pix looked more llike someone on Starhammer team..but I would like to see that blogger reference, If its still up, as these people , especially Lev..know how to work both sides of the fence. By himself Lev can be a small army, as we already have seen elsewhere. writing a scathing article or post at the onset is part of the polarization process in creating buzz and having a crowd gather.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Sep 17th, 2010, 10:40am

on Sep 17th, 2010, 10:09am, tomi01uk wrote:
I know whose face that is sys, but I can't remember his name. He was a blogger who wrote a scathing article about the drones and is a hot shot Photoshop user. I'm sure drdil knows who that is. I think lev took his picture and made him look like this, if I remember correctly.

http://www.dronehoax.com/analysis/biedny_ritzman.htm

kiss
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Sep 17th, 2010, 11:13am

hahahah David Biedny..lol..Lev you are so morbid putting the poor mans head on a veritable pike. You do have a sense of humor!!! You can't deny it... For sure you have an entire collection of trophies. I'm sure when you used the Timex analogy you were really talking about yourself, not Isaac..just keeps on Tickin even under asphalt..ten years later. Kudos. grin grin grin Thanx Doc that was swell. That head had me perplexed for the longest...it didnt fit the profile I was building at the time..this certainly makes things better for me.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Sep 17th, 2010, 11:32am

Tommi , even if only my own insane self, I still think you have something. Keep Following it. If anything from an artists (which I am not..just a mere gawker) perspective..I would imagine this is consistent with the reality behind reality premise Lev is so fond of, and yes..by metaphor..you have to peel away the layers to get deeper to find that other truth...
Cheers

PS..Bare in mind.. reality or truth according to HIM.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 17th, 2010, 2:00pm

I'm only waiting to hear from Icarus about if he may remember those areas of those pictures he did having any different application or changes made that would produce such a transparancy.

But I think he will probably say that there was nothing he used or put in those areas any differently than in his other work where this doesn't show.

I think that OTF is correct, that the color table got corrupted or that each file has it own color palette and this could factor in once my system gets corrupted.

That could be why the majority of pictures don't show this transparency even though the color hue looks about the same or darker in some of the ones that don't show this weirdness.

Anyway, Icarus if there is anything you know about this that may help me understand whats going on. I don't see this as anything that could point to you. It was only some of your work that brought this up to my attention when I was looking at your pictures, appreciating that brass LAP plate actually...
I said hold on... a couple of these pictures are moving now!

Thats when this crazy idea of mine was launched into looking at the drone pictures while this bug is still active.

But the fact remains, once you take a picture from photoshop or a paint program and save it into jpg format, all the tags and artifacts from the paint program are not part of the image anymore .. I think?
Isn't that the case Icarus? I'm pretty sure I've been told that a few times...

Obviously it must be the case, that is why we have tiff files.. but I'm not an expert on this.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Isaac2 on Sep 17th, 2010, 6:39pm

What if "Isaac" really wanted you to consider this event as possible? What if this was an experiment in how you would deal with the thought that aliens from outer space really was an option? How would you react? If the reaction as shown were to interfere the way it was shown, no real harm would come to the people of this Earth. Or, would the mainstream news protect Us all, denying what was true? You, as inhabitans of this Earth would be the judge of such great intervention..


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Sep 17th, 2010, 7:12pm

Isaac2, INTERVENTION!
As to the photos, I very seldom use a \"paint\" program and have a hatred of the over praised photoshop. Gimp will do as well or one old program I love. I use for the most part so called 3D programs such as the brilliant Cinema 4D. You can compose very well with this alone. I must admit I was trying something new in the Martian robot images so something unusual may have shown up!

Isaac2, continue in your thoughts, for who knows, in this yet to be solved in full saga.
L E V I A T H A N
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Sep 18th, 2010, 12:34pm

Intervention yes IC..good word..like the fickled finger of fate...usually leads to Dangs, whew, expletives describing varied states..relief, hope and blah balh blah...

I just wanted to update everyone on the Reyes Trial....It was rescheduled based on a conversation yesterday with a reporter covering the case . As it appeared to drop off from the radar. It's been rescheduled for November 11, 2010 . 9:00am

I have been following this because of the novel issue of the internet possibly brieng bought in as a factor in the defense case.
You may be unaware but Reyes was cited for 2 prior misdemeanors of domestic violence the earliest being on or about July 2007. The time he disappeared from the Drone case.
Prior to this no apparent problems that ..we know of..
Did it have anything to do with any people in the drone Debacle or was it a lonnnnng prior immersion in other things.


I am personally interested how the internet facillitates the kinds of addictions and behaviors, like adultery, mobbing, Rage, cult development, etc, leading to violent behavior, isolation, and disassociation from reality that I see on Games and social networks ..

I once saw a case in Domestic Court The judge asked the a defendent would he give up the computer he was using to chat with women .. to save his marriage. He said he would keep the computer , she could have the rest.

Here both appeared to be computer Savvy..so I am intrigued.















Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 19th, 2010, 06:52am

@ Icarus,
Thanks for putting more pictures up. I am always impressed ! That landscape you have used in a number of paintings... like a dream vision of some special place.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Sep 19th, 2010, 10:46am

Tomi That was an excellent link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_widow
you shouldn't have deleted it.I'm worming some MMorpgs with it..Many of these, like Jade Dynasty Perfect world.com from China have built in gambling and lotteries..go figure what receptor cells they want to tap into, just as the AD people for all consumer related people do , convince us we really need that device or gadget or book.etc.

the problem is worse than that now Almost hilarious.if it weren't as the cliche' goes so sad.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ibd-fK7uWauc_vZwTzvuyU82lMQQ
http://cbs3.com/local/Facebook.Twitter.Harrisburg.2.1916971.html
The last one you would swear they are having delirium tremors or withdrawal symptoms.

Now Lev Tell us your landscape of dreams for the future are you still awaiting the 2012 and 2023 doomsday events you advocated so religiously passionately in this "saga" alluding to another Big thing on the horizon? Have you been making preparations like these people? or are you having second thoughts?
Its obvious to me you didn't believe in any of drone material, did you ever stop to think of the consequences pushing the belief system in that direction?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100919/ap_on_re_us/us_missing_cult_members

Just you Lev. Not the first time that has happened, and I know Linda, Whitley, Georgie and a host of others could give a rats a$$ about "consequences"..so I'm not singling you out.hey..people are grown adults right? they can choose what they want.! Right?.Just would like to read your take.



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Sep 19th, 2010, 11:59am

Hey sys, we could talk all day about what the internet gives and what it takes away and how it has changed everything..

So I decided instead to show you someone who has helped make it as funny as I've ever found:

http://www.27bslash6.com/

If you don't know D. Thorne, enjoy.. grin
as hilarious as it gets .. smiley
The internet is his playground for sure..

Cat lovers will be sure to appreciate his sensitivity grin
http://www.27bslash6.com/missy.html

edit to add:
Dang sys..... now you got me started reading them all again and it's too funny even second time around:

http://www.27bslash6.com/chat.html
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Sep 19th, 2010, 12:02pm

I agree, But..and it bears (grrrrr) repeating ..as its its not often we have some of the players and hoaxters as inhouse visitors . I don't squander such rare opportunities to get the real inside perspective and he has had a lot of time now to provide an intelligent , honest, noncryptic response......and thank you for the links. George Lewis - Thorton emails were a scream. or as kids are saying now lol so random! I can't keep up with them.
grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Katterfelto on Sep 19th, 2010, 4:11pm

on Sep 19th, 2010, 06:52am, tomi01uk wrote:
@ Icarus,
Thanks for putting more pictures up. I am always impressed ! That landscape you have used in a number of paintings... like a dream vision of some special place.


I'll double that. smiley
I like that first one of a strange creature or whatever. Those aliens roaming about remind me of zombies in a graveyard.

Both excellent and preferred (by me anyway) over the craft type images.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Sep 19th, 2010, 6:08pm

Absolutely positively stupendous link guys and gals!

This one really resonates with me:

http://www.27bslash6.com/monkey.html

I would take out the word 'monkey' and substitute 'drone.'

Hey, why don't we all try one here?

"If I had a drone..."
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Sep 19th, 2010, 6:14pm

BTW, LEV, those latest creations you put up are really really superb.

The insectoid one is specially interesting - looks like one of those real insects under an electron scanning microscope.
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Sep 19th, 2010, 7:29pm

This is not Lev returns its Leviathan unleashed!
Ifccoming out the closet is applicable its here!..i must say....Those are rivetting..kudos..the ufo car..is that a scale model of upcoming work..is it real? the lighting is spectacular..The airport runway and cement...everything..
I visit the blog frequently..i missed your posting these..

The other work we have but this latest..is nothing short of stunning..Those aliens in the fog remind me of the final scene of Close Encounters. Finally i see how your bug Ets have evolved..lol..the last ones of years ago..needed some polish.I found them better than Kris yes..but they had a way to go...these are delightful..for sure..

As Ed Sullivan used to say..Good Shew!.. wink

Tomi..again i have some fractured ribs still laughing ..


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by neveleeleven on Oct 6th, 2010, 06:39am

So I bought a new phone today. A Droid X.

One of the included background images you can choose from for the "desktop" was the "Droid eye".

Take a look...

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Also on the phone is a neat clock called the "Polar Clock".

Google search images:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=polar+clock

It just reminded me of the LAP, nothing more.


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Oct 9th, 2010, 9:34pm

My oh my the creeping thing creeps on. Just coincidence I am sure and so the belief should remain. In the palm of the hand, oh no not that. A very beautiful image though of good design I would say. I like it. Droid what a word. A powerful sounding word or sound. Nice.
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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Oct 10th, 2010, 7:34pm

Wow, this looks familiar somehow.
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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Oct 10th, 2010, 7:58pm

Yes it does. It seems to fit so many here or at least their posts. Remember not to judge though.
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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Oct 11th, 2010, 12:32am

Thank you for making my point and setting such a sterling example Lev .Much obliged..

Good news on another front ..someone (scotto.org)is reviving, actually preserving portions of the fringeware site, precursors to Boing Boing..Sub Rosa..and even the alien head used by alienware..Some excellent reading
http://www.fringeware.com/ shell front
http://scotto.org/listing.php?smlid=119
http://scotto.org/index.php?s=Stories


They were among the frst i saw to use innerspace as an exploratory object where we derived terms such as inner space explorers, psychonaut etc...You'll note the term mindphuck as an ad on the shell front link...as well as first e commerce shop on line before credit cards came into effect on line. Even their lettering..something we discussed a while back had similarities..I should probably move to art site... scottos entire site well worth reading if only for nostalgic purpose
Its quite mesmerizing . I had the pleasure of corresponding with Monte Carter and Bob Lebkowski some time ago....outstanding and very helpful .It was a real privilege.
http://sites.google.com/a/laughingbone.com/www/fringewareephemera
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This is one of Boneys cards God laughing..
anyway enjoy.

As our global examples from the past have already shown and continue to accumulate..it makes one wonder whether the drone even merits a unique niche ..anywhere. I would say an affirmative..not so much for the x men/matrix Warners like design..or even unoriginal story..but its timing and pivotal impact on exposure and awakening people ..believers and non believers to the manipulation by establishment icons..how what appears to be mainstream news is merely a conduit to anyone who can afford the $400 dollars for a pr wire spot....and manipulation of news by Hollywoood and commercial interests like Alienware..

If one goes through the threads here and on any noteworthy sites..one will see the difference in questioning of incidents subsequent to or since the Drone's advent ..people at the grass roots level are vetting ..doing homework rather than having the candy coated baloney loaf shoved down their throats .its no longer it must be valid..if it was on mainstream news..or accepted at face value because LMH said so. Indeed it has helped us develop an edge against future hoaxters. It will be no longer business as usual.I am sure that's not what the Dronemakers intended.. But that's what they got.
Perhaps..That's why the God's are truly laughing.
This is a good thing..may it continue that way always.



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Oct 11th, 2010, 8:38pm

So the poor little Drone Saga has a small purpose after all, misplaced shadows and all.
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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Sysconfig on Oct 11th, 2010, 11:10pm

Indeed it did.
Sometimes causualties are suffered in the war on mediocrity and its stupid foot soldiers. wouldn't you agree? Its not necessary for overkill or to inflict collateral damage. It accomplished its mission superbly, contrary to what I said above..with the anagrams You gave me a loaded gun..but I am not going to shoot you..I'm very tired...Go in peace

Good nite





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Oct 12th, 2010, 1:29pm

By now I have been shot so many times I am virtually bullet proof.
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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Oct 12th, 2010, 1:54pm


Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Oct 12th, 2010, 3:43pm

Marvin, surely you know I do not bother to read your works and you should do me the same favor.
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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Oct 12th, 2010, 4:53pm

LOL grin You know.. reading you guys posts to each other is almost just as funny as any thing that gets posted in the humor thread..

Lev.. just unbelievable.. cool PITA wink
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Oct 12th, 2010, 5:40pm

on Oct 12th, 2010, 4:53pm, tomi01uk wrote:
LOL grin You know.. reading you guys posts to each other is almost just as funny as any thing that gets posted in the humor thread..

Lev.. just unbelievable.. cool PITA wink

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Hey Tomi,

Instead of posting to each other maybe we should try telepathy.

Simply return to the place of our original encounter, close our eyes, and project our thoughts into the void...

Is it possible that some of us could actually be Enlightened Elders? grin
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Oct 12th, 2010, 6:33pm

Two fricking weeks of having Duke of Earl playing in my head.. now you want me to try telepathy... tongue cool
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Klatunictobarata on Oct 13th, 2010, 05:20am

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Hey, don't shoot me...I'm only the messenger wink lipsrsealed
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by tommi01 on Oct 13th, 2010, 05:25am

on Oct 13th, 2010, 05:20am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
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Hey, don't shoot me...I'm only the messenger wink lipsrsealed


I wouldn't shoot you.. but when you read this you better be in a place where you can LOL.. grin

http://www.27bslash6.com/trash.html
Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Marvin on Oct 13th, 2010, 11:50am

Icarus, since you are not reading this... wink





Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Isaac22 on Oct 13th, 2010, 1:09pm

Since we share alternate videos, I found this on YT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IICGkOtJ9E

I believe it shows some similarities with what was earlier discussed about projecting images according to the "Isaac" testamony. Real or not.

Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by masker33 on Oct 13th, 2010, 1:54pm

I have seen this video on DRT. It is very intriguing and shows the possibilities of 2D projection. Who knows what will or has sprung from this technology.
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Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by DrDil on Oct 13th, 2010, 5:08pm

on Oct 13th, 2010, 1:09pm, Isaac22 wrote:
Since we share alternate videos, I found this on YT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IICGkOtJ9E

I believe it shows some similarities with what was earlier discussed about projecting images according to the "Isaac" testamony. Real or not.

Welcome to the forum I22!! grin

That video is simply phenomenal and its a shame to even attempt to connect it to the other Isaacs pseudoscientific prose. Not least because the ambiguous terminology that Isaac employed, i.e. a, three-dimensional image recorder/projector doesnt sound special or unique it and certainly doesnt sound alien. I also understand that if I were to suspend my disbelief -albeit temporarily- then the seemingly over-simplified concept proposed could arguably be a direct result of applying human terms applied to an alien object/technology, but honestly, I dont think you posted it to inspire a debate.. wink

However I do think that the content of the video is both inspired and inspirational and as such deserves reposting, so here it is:(embedded).




Again welcome to the forum,

Cheers. smiley



Re: Drone Discussion #11
Post by Isaac22 on Oct 13th, 2010, 6:24pm

on Oct 13th, 2010, 5:08pm, DrDil wrote:
Welcome to the forum I22!! grin

That video is simply phenomenal and its a shame to even attempt to connect it to the other Isaacs pseudoscientific prose. Not least because the ambiguous terminology that Isaac employed, i.e. a, three-dimensional image recorder/projector doesnt sound special or unique it and certainly doesnt sound alien. I also understand that if I were to suspend my disbelief -albeit temporarily- then the seemingly over-simplified concept proposed could arguably be a direct result of applying human terms applied to an alien object/technology, but honestly, I dont think you posted it to inspire a debate.. wink

However I do think that the content of the video is both inspired and inspirational and as such deserves reposting, so here it is:(embedded).