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#1 - MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 26th, 2007, 8:33pm



Explanation of the Recent
"Strange Craft"
Sightings


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Here is the brief introduction. I'm using the alias Isaac, and used to work in what was called the CARET program in the 80's. During my time there, I worked with a lot of the technology that is clearly at work in the recent drone/strange craft sightings, most notably the "language" and diagrams seen on the underside of each craft. What follows is a lengthy letter about who I am, what I know, and what these sightings are (probably) all about.

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The appearance of these photos has convinced me to release at least some of the numerous photographs and photocopied documents I still possess some 20 years later that can explain a great deal about these sightings. On this site you will find some of these. They are available as high resolution scans that I am giving away free, PROVIDED THEY ARE NOT MODIFIED IN ANY WAY AND ARE KEPT TOGETHER ALONG WITH THIS WRITTEN MATERIAL. (located in the address provided below)

I am also trying to get in touch with the witnesses so far, such as Chad, Rajman, Jenna, Ty, and the Lake Tahoe witness (especially Chad). I have advice for them that may be somewhat helpful in dealing with what they've seen and what I would recommend they do with what they know. If you are one of these witnesses, or can put me in touch with them, please contact Coast to Coast AM and let them know.

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My Experience with the CARET Program and Extra-terrestrial Technology

Isaac, June 2007
This letter is part of a package I've assembled for Coast to Coast AM to distribute to its audience. It is a companion to numerous document and photo scans and should not be separated from them.

You can call me Isaac, an alias I've chosen as a simple measure of protection while I release what would be called tremendously sensitive information even by todays standards. “Sensitive” is not necessarily synonymous with “dangerous”, though, which is why my conscience is clear as I offer this material up for the public. My government has its reasons for its continual secrecy, and I sympathize with many of them, but the truth is that I'm getting old and I'm not interested in meeting my maker one day with any more baggage than necessary! Furthermore, I put a little more faith in humanity than my former bosses do, and I think that a release of at least some of this info could help a lot more than it could hurt, especially in today's world.

I should be clear before I begin, as a final note: I am not interested in making myself vulnerable to the consequences of betraying the trust of my superiors and will not divulge any personal information that could determine my identity. However my intent is not to deceive, so information that I think is too risky to share will be simply left out rather than obfuscated in some way (aside from my alias, which I freely admit is not my real name). I would estimate that with the information contained in this letter, I could be narrowed down to one of maybe 30-50 people at best, so I feel reasonably secure.

Some Explanation for the Recent Sightings
For many years I've occasionally considered the release of at least some of the material I possess, but the recent wave of photos and sightings has prompted me to cut to the chase and do so now.

I should first be clear that I'm not directly familiar with any of the crafts seen in the photos in their entirety. I've never seen them in a hangar or worked on them myself or seen aliens zipping around in them. However, I have worked with and seen many of the parts visible in these crafts, some of which can be seen in the Q3-85 Inventory Review scan found at the top of this page.

Moderator comment: What he is referring to is the website address at the bottom of this post.

More importantly though, I'm very familiar with the “language” on their undersides seen clearly in photos by Chad and Rajman, and in another form in the Big Basin photos.

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One question I can answer for sure is why they're suddenly here. These crafts have probably existed in their current form for decades, and I can say for sure that the technology behind them has existed for decades before that. The “language”, in fact, (I'll explain shortly why I keep putting that in quotes) was the subject of my work in years past. I'll cover that as well.

The reason they're suddenly visible, however, is another matter entirely. These crafts, assuming they're anything like the hardware I worked with in the 80's (assuming they're better, in fact), are equipped with technology that enables invisibility. That ability can be controlled both on board the craft, and remotely. However, what's important in this case is that this invisibility can also be disrupted by other technology. Think of it like radar jamming. I would bet my life savings (since I know this has happened before) that these craft are becoming visible and then returning to invisibility arbitrarily, probably unintentionally, and undoubtedly for only short periods, due to the activity of a kind of disrupting technology being set off elsewhere, but nearby. I'm especially sure of this in the case of the Big Basin sightings, were the witnesses themselves reported seeing the craft just appear and disappear. This is especially likely because of the way the witness described one of the appearances being only a momentary flicker, which is consistent with the unintentional, intermittent triggering of such a device.

It's no surprise that these sightings are all taking place in California, and especially the Saratoga/South Bay area. Not far from Saratoga is Mountain View/Sunnyvale, home to Moffett Field and the NASA Ames Research center. Again, I'd be willing to bet just about anything that the device capable of hijacking the cloaking of these nearby craft was inadvertently triggered, probably during some kind of experiment, at the exact moment they were being seen. Miles away, in Big Basin, the witnesses were in the right place at the right time and saw the results of this disruption with their own eyes. God knows what else was suddenly appearing in the skies at that moment, and who else may have seen it. I've had some direct contact with this device, or at least a device capable of the same thing, and this kind of mistake is not unprecedented. I am personally aware of at least one other incident in which this kind of technology was accidentally set off, resulting in the sudden visibility of normally invisible things. The only difference is that these days, cameras are a lot more common!

The technology itself isn't ours, or at least it wasn't in the 80's. Much like the technology in these crafts themselves, the device capable of remotely hijacking a vehicle's clacking comes from a non-human source too. Why we were given this technology has never been clear to me, but it's responsible for a lot.

Moderator comment: The writer may have meant to say 'cloaking' instead of 'clacking'. Clacking is a word, which means a sound or noise and does not appear to pertain to the sentence.

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Our having access to this kind of device, along with our occasionally haphazard experimentation on them, has lead to everything from cloaking malfunctions like this to full-blown crashes. I can assure you that most (and in my opinion all) incidents of UFO crashes or that kind of thing had more to do with our meddling with extremely powerful technology at an inopportune time than it did mechanical failure on their part. Trust me, those things don't fail unless something even more powerful than them makes them fail (intentionally or not). Think of it like a stray bullet. You can be hit by one at any time, without warning, and even the shooter didn't intent to hit you. I can assure you heads are rolling over this as well. If anyone notices a brilliant but sloppy physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad in the next couple weeks, I'd be willing to guess how he got there. (I kid, of course, as I certainly hope that hasn't actually happened in this case)

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I'd now like to explain how it is that I know this.

See the rest of the text as well as
copies of the reports and pictures presented by Isaac


http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by MarkM on Jun 26th, 2007, 8:54pm

I was thinking about what "Isaac" said about the symbols and how they are both the program and the execution. When we look at how the parts of an atom must be aligned in a precise configuration in order to create a specific "thing", it's not difficult to see how this might work. In fact, going from the microcosm to the macrocosm, the universe itself exists in exactly the form it does because of the way the planets and other cosmic objects are arranged. Change that arrangement (code) in either example, and everything changes.

A solid containing information which can be accessed is not unlike how DVD's work, and, on a simpler scale, the way a prism breaks down light.

This all seems rather mind boggling at first pass, but once you chew on it a bit, more than feasible.

I know that it might seem a stretch for some, but looking at the "linguistics" really reminded me of some of the crop circle patterns (see earlier post). Just as the symbols arranged as they are on the craft dictate a action, perhaps some of the circle patterns are programs. What might be the "machine" being programmed? The earth itself? Do they (the symbols / language / code) somehow interact with the electromagnetic field to cause something?

On another note, the observation that perhaps the power lines - rather than being the reason for the drones, might be the reason that they became visible, is an excellent one!

Farmboy - on a side note, Bectel was allegedly one of the companies, along with Bell Labs and others, that received wreckage from the Roswell craft (to back engineer).
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by oljack666 on Jun 26th, 2007, 8:56pm

3. Executive Summary Q486
"Three-dimensional image recorder/projector"


This sounds like what it was they explained to me that they use for stealth and able to keep them in our airspace while not being seen - recording and then projecting their surroundings around the craft while it sits still and silent in our skies.

I'll bet that their appearance was made possible BECAUSE of an interference near high tension wires, which is why we see them by high tension wires.

Still reading..............



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by oljack666 on Jun 26th, 2007, 8:58pm


They're going to find out who he is in a heartbeat. Actually they already have, what am I thinking. Either him or his closest friend, whoever set up that Fortunecity.com website. Poor guy doesn't realize the government's capabilities I guess.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by Farmboy on Jun 26th, 2007, 9:11pm

MarkM...thanks for the mention. Bechtel. LANS, SAIC.

Sorry for summarizing some of #481:

Bechtel now essentially runs Los Alamos labs through the LANS alliance which is a private limited liability company (LLC) composed of the University of California, Bechtel, BWX Technologies, and Washington Group International. LANS won management by besting a Lockeed, U Texas alliance.

A BMX subsidiary, Science Applications International Corp (SAIC - 40,000 employees), operates a govt Remote Viewing Program called STARGATE.


The new Los Alamos alliance (and Lockheed has its own astrophysics lab down the street) and probably ranks 6th global income. The capability exists to theoretically develop, construct, and operate a high field magnetic PORTAL.

Is a new Manhattan project already underway....truly big. The technology muscle, security and construction power all are present. We all sense it. Every now and then something happens to great precautions and the little people catch a peek behind the mirrors (CHAD, Big Basin, earlier reports, etc.)


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by oljack666 on Jun 26th, 2007, 9:27pm

At a glance, here are the linguistic primers, which Isaac mentions he made copies of. I'll be back with cleaner and larger versions later today. As well, the report pages are as follows.

CARET REPORT

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by Latitude on Jun 26th, 2007, 9:58pm

AgentM posted:
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Hey good job MarkM on the crop circle connection.
It is true..It is all true.
Folks are just in shock because it takes time to set in.
Even when we suspected it all along.

Still wondering exactly what the drones mission is?

What is the mission??


One guess is they use the 3d recorder to get holographic images of our planet's landscape and then play them back in a holodeck type thing.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by chgowriter on Jun 26th, 2007, 10:00pm

Tried to reply to those who were talking about their good ol' 1986 scanners, but apparently that thread was locked. I also had a scanner in 1986. Kind of a toy compared to what I have now built into my fax machine, not capable of the level of resolution in Photo #2. Also, in 1986, there was a rather large issue about graphic file formats -- the format a fax used wasn't and couldn't be adapted to use with anything like PhotoShop, which also was still under development at the time. What you'd need is a professional-level, stand-alone scanner.

Scanners existed, but the type required to do the very high-res scan in the black-and-photocopy (#2), would be a rather large machine (about the size of a clothes washer, minimum; some were even larger), the type used by commercial printers. Those did NOT output to laser printers -- and ink jet printers were just barely being introduced. About the best resolution you could get off a laser printer at the time was 600 dpi, and you could see the "jaggies" in a photo with the naked eye. If you printed in"photo mode," you got about a 72-line screen, much worse than Photo#2.

In the type of environment Isaac describes at CARET, I do believe he would have had to be seen using this older type of scanner, or it probably would have had (required) a dedicated operator. Matter of fact, it might have been under guard. It would have been very difficult to use it without someone knowing what you were doing. In those days, too, "RIPping" an image with so much detail (so many pixels) in order to get it to print on even a 600 dpi laser would have taken HOURS. Laser printers simply didn't have the chip capacity to do that kind of processing, and the software hadn't been developed to do it on a desktop computer. Believe me... I had to sit through the process on many occasions, and for graphics with a much poorer level of detail and lower resolution.

Also, no way in heck you could print out, or "copy" out something digitally with that kind of resolution -- that's the key, look at the level of resolution. If you had a fax that could print that well in 1986, you must have gotten it from ETs because it wasn't available anywhere on earth ;-D There aren't many faxes nowadays that print that well (and fax formats are quite different from what came off a graphic scanner in 1986). Isaac's photo has a very high-res "moire" pixel pattern, the result of high-res digital printing. Also, many, many levels of gray. Not possible in 1986 without using analog photo film technologies, and then the result would have been much better than it is; it would have come out "continuous tone" with a gray halftone.

You didn't have a DIGITAL copier in 1986. Take my word for it. They weren't introduced until the mid-to-late 1990s, and Photo #2 looks like it was printed on a pretty good digital copier.

Possible that Isaac is using current day technologies to scan and print out his photos.... In which case what's new? Another anonymous witness with "evidence" that is 2nd or 3rd generation and inaccessible for examination and verification.

I'm betting we won't hear anything more from Isaac, either, unless he's promised his five minutes of fame on C2C. I'm hoping if these people ever find the grit to come forward that someone asks them some real-world questions, instead of just oohing and aahing.

Chgowriter
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by oljack666 on Jun 26th, 2007, 10:44pm

Here is the rest of the text from the initial post and we now have everything in it's entirety here in this thread.

The CARET Program

My story begins the same as it did for many of my co workers, with graduate and post-graduate work at university in electrical engineering. And I had always been interested in computer science, which was a very new field at the time, and my interest piqued with my first exposure to a Tixo during grad school. In the years following school I took a scenic route through the tech industry and worked for the kinds of companies you would expect, until I was offered a job at the Department of Defense and things took a very different turn.

Moderator comment: If you are not familiar with Tixo, please see following.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TX-0

My time at the DoD was mostly uneventful but I was there for quite a while. I apparently proved myself to be reasonably intelligent and loyal. By 1984 these qualities along with my technical background made me a likely candidate for a new program they were recruiting for called “CARET”.

Before I explain what CARET was I should back up a little. By 1984, Silicon Valley had been a juggernaut of technology for decades. In the less than 40 years since the appearance of Shockley’s transistor this part of the world had already produced a multi billion dollar computer industry and made technological strides that were unprecedented in other fields, from hypertext and online collaboration in '68 to the Alto in '73.

Private industry in Silicon Valley was responsible for some of the most incredible technological leaps in history and this fact did not go unnoticed by the US government and military. I don’t claim to have any special knowledge about Roswell or any of the other alleged early UFO events, but I do know that whatever the exact origin, the military was hard at work trying to understand and use the extra-terrestrial artifacts it had in its possession. While there had been a great deal of progress overall, things were not moving as quickly as some would have liked. So, in 1984, the CARET program was created with the aim of harnessing the abilities of private industry in silicon valley and applying it to the ongoing task of understanding extra-terrestrial technology.

One of the best examples of the power of the tech sector was Xerox PARC, a research center in Palo Alto, CA. XPARC was responsible for some of the major milestones in the history of computing. While I never had the privilege of working there myself I did know many of the people who did and I can say that they were among the brightest engineers I ever knew.

XPARC served as one of the models for the CARET program’s first incarnation, a facility called the Palo Alto CARET Laboratory (PACL, lovingly pronounced “packle” during my time there). This was where I worked, along with numerous other civilians, under the auspices of military brass who were eager to find out how the tech sector made so much progress so quickly. My time at the DoD was a major factor behind why I was chosen, and in fact about 30+ others who were hired around the same time had also been at the Department about as long, but this was not the case for everyone. A couple of my co-workers were plucked right from places like IBM and, at least two of them came from XPARC itself. My DoD experience did make me more eligable for positions of management, however, which is how I have so much of this material in my possession to begin with.

So in other words, civilians like myself who had at--at most--some decent experience working for the DoD but no actual military training or involvement, were suddenly finding ourselves in the same room as highly classified extra-terrestrial technology. Of course they spent about 2 months briefing us all before we saw or did anything, and did their best to convince us that if we ever leaked a single detail about what we were being told, they’d do everything short of digging up our ancestors and putting a few slugs in them too just for good measure. It seemed like there was an armed guard in every corner of every room. I’d worked under some pretty hefty NDAs in my time but this was so far out of my depth I didn’t think I was going to last 2 weeks in an environment like that. But amazingly things got off to a good start. They wanted us, plain and simple, and our industry had shown itself to be so good at what it did that they were just about ready to give us carte blanche.

Of course, nothing with the military is ever that simple, and as is often the case they wanted to have their cake and eat it too. What I mean by this is that despite their interest in picking our brains and learning whatever they could from our way of doing things, they still wanted to do it their way often enough to frustrate us.

At this point I'm going to gloss over the emotional side of this experience, because this letter isn't intended to be a memoir, but I will say that there's almost no way to describe the impact this kind of revelation has on your mind. There are very few moments in life in which your entire world view is turned forever upside down, but this was one of them. I still remember that turning point during the briefing when I realized what he'd just told us, and that I hadn't heard him wrong, and that it wasn't some kind of joke. In retrospect the whole thing feels like it was in slow motion, from that slight pause he took just before the term “extra-terrestrial” came out for the first time, to the way the room itself seemed to go off kilter as we collectively tried to grasp what was being said. My reflex kept jumping back and forth between trying to look at the speaker, to understand him better, and looking at everyone else around me, to make sure I wasn't the only one that was hearing this. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, it's a lot like a child learning his parents are divorcing. I never experienced that myself, but a very close friend of mine did when were boys, and he confided in me a great deal about what the experience felt like. A lot of what he said would aptly describe what I was feeling in that room. Here was a trusted authority figure telling you something that you just don't feel ready for, and putting a burden on your mind that you don't necessarily want to carry. The moment that first word comes out, all you can think about it is what it was like only seconds ago, and knowing that life is never going to be as simple as it was then. After all that time at the DoD, I thought I at least had some idea of what was going on in the world, but I'd never heard so much as a peep about this. Maybe one day I'll write more on this aspect, because it's the kind of thing I really would like to get off my chest, but for now I'll digress.

Unlike traditional research in this area, we weren’t working on new toys for the air force. For numerous reasons, the CARET people decided to aim its efforts at commercial applications rather than military ones. They basically wanted us to turn these artifacts into something they could patent and sell. One of CARET’s most appealing promises was the revenue generated by these product-ready technologies, which could be funneled right back into black projects. Working with a commercial application in mind was also yet another way to keep us in a familiar mind state. Developing technology for the military is very different than doing so for the commercial sector, and not having to worry about the difference was another way that CARET was very much like private industry.

CARET shined in the way it let us work the way we were used to working. They wanted to recreate as much of the environment we were used to as they could without compromising issues like security. That meant we got free reign to set up our own workflow, internal management structure, style manuals, documentation, and the like. They wanted this to look and feel like private industry, not the military. They knew that was how to get the best work out of us, and they were right.

But things didn’t go as smoothly when it came to matters like access to classified information. They were exposing what is probably their single biggest secret to a group of people who had never even been through basic training and it was obvious that the gravity of this decision was never far from their minds. We started the program with a small set of extra-terrestrial artifacts along with fairly elaborate briefings on each as well as access to a modest amount of what research had already been completed. It wasn’t long before we realized we needed more though, and getting them to provide even the smallest amount of new material was like pulling teeth. CARET stood for “Commercial Applications Research for Extra-terrestrial Technology”, but we often joked that it should have stood for “Civilians Are Rarely Ever Trusted.”

PACL was located in Palo Alto, but unlike XPARC, it wasn’t at the end of a long road in the middle of a big complex surrounded by rolling hills and trees. PACL was hidden in an office complex owned entirely by the military but made to look like an unassuming tech company. From the street, all you could see was what appeared to be a normal parking lot with a gate and a guard booth, and a 1-story building inside with a fictitious name and logo. What wasn’t visible from the street was that behind the very first set of doors was enough armed guards to invade Poland, and 5 additional underground stories. They wanted to be as close as possible to the kinds of people they were looking to hire and be able to bring them in with a minimum of fuss.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by oljack666 on Jun 26th, 2007, 10:45pm

Inside, we had everything we needed. State of the art hardware and a staff of over 200 computer scientists, electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, physicists and mathematicians. Most of us were civilians, as I’ve said, but some were military, and a few of them had been working on this technology already. Of course, you were never far from the barrel of a machine gun, even inside the labs themselves (something many of us never got used to), and bi-weekly tours were made by military brass to ensure that not a single detail was out of line. Most of us underwent extensive searches on our way into and out of the building. There it was, probably the biggest secret in the world, in a bunch of parts spread out on laboratory tables in the middle of Palo Alto so you can imagine their concern.

One downside to CARET was that it wasn't as well-connected as other operations undoubtedly were. I never got to see any actual extra-terrestrials (not even photos), and in fact never even saw one of their compete vehicles. 99% of what I saw was related to the work at hand, all of which was conducted within a very narrow context on individual artifacts only. The remaining 1% came from people I met through the program, many of which working more closely with “the good stuff” or had in the past.

In fact, what was especially amusing about the whole affair was the way that our military management almost tried to act as if the technology we were essentially reverse engineering wasn't extra-terrestrial at all. Aside from the word “extra-terrestrial” itself, we rarely heard any other terms like “alien” or “UFO” or “outer space” or anything. Those aspects were only mentioned briefly when absolutely necessary to explain something. In many cases it was necessary to differentiate between the different races and their respective technology, and they didn't even use the word “races”. They were referred to simply as different “sources”.

The Technology

A lot of the technology we worked on was what you would expect, namely antigravity. Most of the researchers on the staff with backgrounds in propulsion and rocketry were military men, but the technology we were dealing with was so out of this world that it didn’t really matter all that much what your background was because none of it applied. All we could hope to do was use the vocabulary of our respective fields as a way to model the extremely bizarre new concepts we were very slowly beginning to understand as best we could. A rocket engineer doesn’t usually rub elbows much with a computer scientist, but inside PACL, we were all equally mystified and were ready to entertain any and all ideas.

The physicists made the most headway initially because out of all of our skills, theirs overlapped the most with the concepts behind this technology (although that isn’t saying much!) Once they got the ball rolling though, we began to find that many of the concepts found in computer science were applicable as well, albeit in very vague ways. While I didn’t do a lot of work with the antigrav hardware myself, I was occasionally involved in the assessment of how that technology was meant to interface with its user.

The antigrav was amazing, of course, as were the advances we were making with materials engineering and so on. But what interested me most then, and still amazes me most to this day, was something completely unrelated. In fact, it was this technology that immediately jumped out at me when I saw the Chad and Rajman photos, and even moreso in the Big Basin photos.

The “Language”

I put the word Language in quotes because calling what I am about to describe a “language” is a misnomer, although it is an easy mistake to make.

Their hardware wasn’t operated in quite the same way as ours. In our technology, even today, we have a combination of hardware and software running almost everything on the planet. Software is more abstract than hardware, but ultimately it needs hardware to run it. In other words, there’s no way to write a computer program on a piece of paper, set that piece of paper on a table or something, and expect it to actually do something. The most powerful code in the world still doesn’t actually do anything until a piece of hardware interprets it and translates its commands into actions.

But their technology is different. It really did operate like the magical piece of paper sitting on a table, in a manner of speaking. They had something akin to a language, that could quite literally execute itself, at least in the presence of a very specific type of field. The language, a term I am still using very loosely, is a system of symbols (which does admittedly very much resemble a written language) along with geometric forms and patterns that fit together to form diagrams that are themselves functional. Once they are drawn, so to speak, on a suitable surface made of a suitable material and in the presence of a certain type of field, they immediately begin performing the desired tasks. It really did seem like magic to us, even after we began to understand the principles behind it.

I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos. They appear in a very simple form on Chad’s craft, but appear in the more complex diagram form on the underside of the Big Basin craft as well. Both are unmistakable, even at the small size of the Big Basin photos. An example of a diagram in the style of the Big Basin craft is included with this in a series of scanned pages from the [mistitled] "Linguistic Analysis Primer". We needed a copy of that diagram to be utterly precise, and it took about a month for a team of six to copy that diagram into our drafting program!

Explaining everything I learned about this technology would fill up several volumes, but I will do my best to explain at least some of the concepts as long as I am taking the time to write all this down.

First of all, you wouldn't open up their hardware to find a CPU here, and a data bus there, and some kind of memory over there. Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate - each "computational element" (essentially individual particles) can function independently, but are designed to function together in tremendously large clusters. I say its holographic because you can divide it up into the smallest chunks you want and still find a scaled-down but complete representation of the whole system. They produce a nonlinear computational output when grouped. So 4 elements working together is actually more than 4 times more powerful than 1. Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state. The shape of these "chunks" of substrate also had a profound effect on its functionality, and often served as a "shortcut" to achieve a goal that might otherwise be more complex.

So back to the language. The language is actually a "functional blueprint". The forms of the shapes, symbols and arrangements thereof is itself functional. What makes it all especially difficult to grasp is that every element of each "diagram" is dependant on and related to every other element, which means no single detail can be created, removed or modified independently. Humans like written language because each element of the language can be understood on its own, and from this, complex expressions can be built. However, their "language" is entirely context-sensitive, which means that a given symbol could mean as little as a 1-bit flag in one context, or, quite literally, contain the entire human genome or a galaxy star map in another. The ability for a single, small symbol to contain, not just represent, tremendous amounts of data is another counter-intuitive aspect of this concept. We quickly realized that even working in groups of 10 or more on the simplest of diagrams, we found it virtually impossible to get anything done. As each new feature was added, the complexity of the diagram exponentially grew to unmanageable proportions. For this reason we began to develop computer-based systems to manage these details and achieved some success, although again we found that a threshold was quickly reached beyond which even the supercomputers of the day were unable to keep up. Word was that the extra-terrestrials could design these diagrams as quickly and easily as a human programmer could write a Fortran program. It's humbling to think that even a network of supercomputers wasn't able to duplicate what they could do in their own heads. Our entire system of language is based on the idea of assigning meaning to symbols. Their technology, however, somehow merges the symbol and the meaning, so a subjective audience is not needed. You can put whatever meaning you want on the symbols, but their behavior and functionality will not change, any more than a transistor will function differently if you give it another name.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by oljack666 on Jun 26th, 2007, 10:45pm

Here's an example of how complex the process is. Imagine I ask you to incrementally add random words to a list such that no two words use any of the same letters, and you must perform this exercise entirely in your head, so you can't rely on a computer or even a pen and paper. If the first in the list was, say, "fox", the second item excludes all words with the letters F, O and X. If the next word you choose is "tree", then the third word in the list can't have the letters F, O, X, T, R, or E in it. As you can imagine, coming up with even a third word might start to get just a bit tricky, especially since you can't easily visualize the excluded letters by writing down the words. By the time you get to the fourth, fifth and sixth words, the problem has spiraled out of control. Now imagine trying to add the billionth word to the list (imagine also that we're working with an infinite alphabet so you don't run out of letters) and you can imagine how difficult it is for even a computer to keep up. Needless to say, writing this kind of thing "by hand" is orders of magnitude beyond the capabilities of the brain.

My background lent itself well to this kind of work though. I'd spent years writing code and designing both analog and digital circuits, a process that at least visually resembled these diagrams in some way. I also had a personal affinity for combinatorics, which served me well as I helped with the design of software running on supercomputers that could juggle the often trillions of rules necessary to create a valid diagram of any reasonable complexity. This overlapped quite a bit with compiler theory as well, a subject I always found fascinating, and in particular compiler optimization, a field that wasn't half of what it is today back then. A running joke among the linguistics team was that Big-O notation couldn't adequately describe the scale of the task, so we'd substitute other words for "big". By the time I left I remember the consensus was "Astronomical-O" finally did it justice.

Like I said, I could go on for hours about this subject, and would love to write at least an introductory book on the subject if it wasn't still completely classified, but that's not the point of this letter so I'll try to get back on track.

The last thing I'd like to discuss is how I got copies of this material, what else I have in my possession, and what I plan to do with it in the future.

My Collection

I worked at PACL from 1984 to 1987, by which time I was utterly burned out. The sheer volume of details to keep in mind while working with the diagrams was enough to challenge anyone's sanity, and I was really at the end of my rope with the military's attitude towards our “need to know”. Our ability to get work done was constantly hampered by their reluctance to provide us with the necessary information, and I was tired of bureaucracy getting in the way of research and development. I left somewhere in the middle of a 3-month bell curve in which about a quarter of the entire PACL staff left for similar reasons.

I was also starting to disagree with the direction the leadership wanted to take as far as the subject of extra-terrestrials went. I always felt that at least some form of disclosure would be beneficial, but as a lowly CARET engineer I wasn't exactly in the position to call shots. The truth is, our management didn't even want us discussing non-technical aspects of this subject (such as ethical or philosophical issues), even among ourselves, as they felt it was enough of a breach of security to let civilians like us anywhere near this kind of thing in the first place.

So, about 3 months before I resigned (which was about 8 months before I was really out, since you don't just walk out of a job like that with a 2 week notice). I decided to start taking advantage of my position. As I mentioned earlier, my DoD experience got me into an internal management role sooner than some of my colleagues, and after about a year of that kind of status, the outgoing searches each night became slightly less rigorous. Normally, we were to empty out any containers, bags or briefcases, then remove our shirt and shoes and submit to a kind of frisking. Work was never allowed to go home with you, no matter who you were. For me, though, the briefcase search was eventually enough.

Even before I actually decided to do it, I was sure that I would be able to sneak certain materials out with me. I wanted to do this because I knew the day would come when I would want to write something like this, and I knew I'd regret it until the day I died if I didn't at least leave the possibility open to do so. So I started photocopying documents and reports by the dozen. I'd then put the papers under my shirt around my lower back, tucked enough into my belt to ensure they wouldn't fall out. I could do this in any one of a few short, windowless hallways on some of the lower floors, which were among the few places that didn't have an armged guard watching my every move. I'd walk in one end with a stack of papers large enough that when I came out the other end with some of them in my shirt, there wouldn't be a visible difference in what I was holding. You absolutely cannot be too careful if you're going to pull a stunt like this. As long as I walked carefully they wouldn't make a crinkling noise. In fact, the more papers I took, the less noise they made, since they weren't as flimsy that way. I'd often take upwards of 10-20 pages at once. By the time I was done, I'd made out with hundreds of photocopies, as well as a few originals and a large collection of original photographs.

With this initial letter I have attached high resolution scans of the following:

A page from an inventory review with a photo that appears to depict one of the parts found in the Rajman sighting and parts very similar to the Big Basin craft
The first 9 pages of one of our quarterly research reports
Scans of the original photographs used in that report, since the photocopies obscure most of the details
5 pages from a report on our ongoing analysis of the “language” (inappropriately titled “linguistic analysis”), depicting the kind of diagram just barely visible on the underside of the Big Basin craft
This material is the most relevant and explanatory I could find on short notice. Now that these are up, IF I decide to release more in the future, I'll be able to take my time and better search this rather large collection of mine that I've sadly never organized. I'm not sure what I'll be doing with the rest of the collection in the future. I suppose I'll wait and see how this all plays out, and then play it by ear. There are certainly risks involved in what I'm doing, and if I were to actually be identified and caught, there could be rather serious consequences. However, I've taken the proper steps to ensure a reasonable level of anonymity and am quite secure in the fact that the information I've so far provided is by no means unique among many of the CARET participants.

Besides, part of me has always suspected that the government relies on the occasional leak like this, and actually wants them to happen, because it contributes to a steady, slow-paced path towards revealing the truth of this matter.

Since Leaving CARET

Like I said, I left PACL in '87, but have kept in touch with a great many of my friends and coworkers from those days. Most of us are retired by now, except of course for those of us that went on to get teaching jobs, but a few of us still hear things through the grapevine.

As for CARET itself, I'm not sure what's become of it. Whether it's still known by the same name, I'm quite sure it's still active in some capacity, although who knows where. I heard from a number of people that PACL closed up shop a few years after I left, but I've still yet to get a clear answer on why exactly that happened. But I'm sure the kind of work we did there is still going strong. I've heard from a lot of friends that there are multiple sites like PACL in Sunnyvale and Mountain View, also disguised to look like unremarkable office space. But this is all second-hand information so you can make of it what you will.

Around 2002 or so I came across Coast to Coast AM and have been hooked ever since. I admit, I don't take most of the show's content as anything more than entertainment, but there have been occasions when I could be sure a guest was clearly speaking from experience or a well-informed source. For me, there's just something very surreal about hearing all this speculation and so-called inside information about UFOs and the like, but being personally able to verify at least some of it as being true or false. It's also a nightly reminder of how hectic things were in those days, which helps me enjoy my retirement all the more. Knowing I'm not part of that crazy world anymore really is something I enjoy on a daily basis, as much as I miss some of it.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by oljack666 on Jun 26th, 2007, 10:45pm

Conclusion

What I've shared so far is only a very small portion of what I have, and what I know. Despite the very sheltered and insulated atmosphere within CARET, I did ultimately learn a great deal from various colleagues, and some of what I learned is truly incredible. I'd also like to say that for what it's worth, during my time there I never heard anything about invasions, or abductions, or many of the more frightening topics that often pop up on Coast to Coast AM. That's not to say that none of it is true, but in my time working alongside some of the most well-connected people in this field, it never came up. So at the very least I can say my intent is not to scare anyone. My view on the extra-terrestrial situation is very much a positive, albiet still highly secretive one.

One thing I can definitely say is that if they wanted us gone, we would have been gone a very, very long time ago, and we wouldn't even have seen it coming. Throw out your ideas about a space war or anything silly like that. We'd be capable of fighting back against them about as much as ants could fight back against a stampede of buffalo. But that's OK. We're the primitive race, they're the advanced races, and that's just the way it is. The other advanced races let them live through their primitive years back in their day, and there's no reason to think it will be any different for us. They aren't in the market for a new planet, and even if they were, there are way too many planets out there for them to care about ours enough to take it by force.

To reiterate my take on the recent sightings, I'd guess that experimentation done in the last couple months on a device that, among other things, is capable of interfering with various crafts onboard invisibility has resulted in a sudden wave of sightings. It may not explain all of the recent events, but like I said, I'd bet my life that's exactly what happened at Big Basin at least, and it's probably related in some way to the Chad, Rajman and Tahoe sightings. So, despite all the recent fanfare over this, I'd say this doesn't mean much. Most importantly, they aren't suddenly “here”. They've been here for a long time, but just happened to turn unintentionally visible for brief periods recently.

Lastly, there are so many people selling books, and DVDs, and doing lectures, and all that, that I would like to reiterate the fact that I am not here to sell anything. The material I'm sharing is free to distribute provided it's all kept intact and unmodified, and this letter is included. I tend to question the motives of anyone charging money for their information, and will assure you that I will never do such a thing. And in the future, just to cover all the bases, anyone claiming to be me who's selling a DVD or book is most certainly not going to be me.

Any future releases from me will come from the email address I've used to contact Coast to Coast AM, and will be sent to them only. I'd like to make this clear as well to ensure that people can be sure that any future information comes from the same source, although I must be clear: at this time I do not have any future plans for additional information. Time will tell how long I will maintain this policy, but do not expect anything soon. I'd really like to let this information “settle” for a while and see how it goes. If I find out I'm getting an IRS audit tomorrow, then maybe this wasn't too smart. Until then, I'm going to take it slow. I hope this information has been helpful.

PREVIOUS DRONEACCOUNTS
Chronological Order


Unknown location - June 29, 2007 - by Anonymous
http://www.ufocasebook.com/anonymousstrangecraft.html

Palo Alto, CA - June 26, 2007 – Isaac
Whistle blowing report with pictures, linguistic primers and reports from
previous employment with PACL (Palo Alto CARET Laboratory)
CARET (Commercial Applications Research for Extra-terrestrial Technology)
http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

Near Maxwell AFB - June 25, 2007 - Ted Connors.
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode19mp3.html
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1279&category=Environment

Round Hill - June 19, 2007 - Dawn Raimond
http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20070706/REGION/107060071

Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Ty and other witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment

Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Stephen and other witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

Capitola - May 15, 2007 - by Rajman and other witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html

Bakersfield California – May 6, 2007 - Chad and multiple witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftphotos.html

Lake Tahoe - May 5, 2007 - Anonymous husband and wife
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftlaketahoe.html

Yosemite National Park - June 10, 2006 - Three witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1265&category=Environment
http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneYosemiteSketches052307x.jpg

Birmingham Alabama - May 2006 - John Smith
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1253&category=Environment

Northridge, CA - May 2006 – Robert Mariotti
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode18mp3.html

Sequoia National Forest - May 25th, 2005 - Shirley
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/mp3files/highbandwidth/episode17high.mp3
http://www.ufocasebook.com/lettersstrangecraft.html

Sitgreaves National Forest, Arizona - October 1995, Ned White
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1275&category=Environment

Barksdale AFB, Louisiana - 1987 Airshow - Anonymous witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1258&category=Environment
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by Latitude on Jun 26th, 2007, 11:23pm

In that photo of the PAGD, personal anti-gravity device, it looks like one of the parts is floating in mid air!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by oljack666 on Jun 26th, 2007, 11:28pm



I just think it's awesome that we may be for the first time looking at alien hardware. Just amazing.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by chgowriter on Jun 26th, 2007, 11:41pm

Got another question. On Isaac's "documents" why are there blocks of text blacked out?

Didn't his group write that report? If so, then who blacked out certain lines? I mean, why would you black out parts of your own report? You'd know what was in them.

Usually stuffed is blacked out of once-classified documents that are obtained via the FOIA. If you took the papers directly out of the actual government file, they shouldn't have those blacked-out portions, unless Isaac is being coy with his info, or possibly faking it.

Chgowriter
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Nephilim on Jun 27th, 2007, 01:34am

Since the photos and story was released, the Chad fella, I have placed this topic under questionable.

I still am not totally convinced, only because I have a few questions about the Isaac person.

Why withhold some information? Isn't this much like what we are faced with concerning the government? They do not tell us what they think we should not hear/see...same with this Isaac. It is frustrating that people can't just spill the beans for once.

Paranoia on my part? Perhaps, but wouldn't it be wise of the government to send out an agent to disinform the people away from the real truth?

The only problem with this thinking, is that if the Isaac person were just spreading disinformation, wouldn't his/her conclusion end with 'it's no big deal' or something to this effect? This didn't happen.

Another thing, why would we have not heard about this specific topic before now? Out of all the suposed disclosure by so many people, we have heard nothing really of this in all the years? Could it be that, like Isaac said, they were waiting for someone to stumble on it and get it out there, before a whistleblower would speak about it? I do not count this out as it does make a little sense. perhaps there have been indirect references to this and we just never realised that this is what they were speaking of. This is possible.

I have to admit, his story sounds much like what I have come to believe about corporations, private funding of project, the military and their secret projects [i.e., the Industrial Military Complex].

A couple of things to note:

1. He never said the overall objective as to what this is all about except that it was not an immediate threat [he noted the aliens could have squashed us like bugs long ago, so-to-speak, so hinting around as to what it all means]

2. The holographic ability struck an alarm with me. I have an article, from the year 1999, where it is this new holographic projection thing some folks had come up with, also, they were now able to reproduce anyone's voice and create their own statements just by recordeing a bit of that persons talk. The implications, as an example, was that they could create a holographic image of the muslim's Allah, and have this hologram float in the sky over a muslim nation. This was just one idea they had. They also said this would take a huge mirror on a sattelite and would be unlikely. But what about this strange craft tech? Could there be a tie to this in any way? I will search for the article later, I have it burnt onto disc and will have to search for it.

3. I would suggest you all try to think of abstract things you have heard about throught hte years that may very well pertain to this strange craft technology, based on what is said by this Isaac.

4. Have any of you ever seen or recall the Star Trek show where aliens had took over the enterprise, but no one knew about it. the aliens conected their mechanisms up to the crew's brains, but no one knew about it because the aliens were invisible to their sight. I don't know, just made me think of that show.

5. If the Chad and Isaac cases are real, this does not mean that every photo and claim out there is. We all know how easy it is to fake something nowdays, and we also are aware of the sensationalists [i like to call hoaxsters sensationalists, it's is almost like a disease, or an addiction, which is a phycological condition], and these shouldn't be ruled out. I bring this up just to say that if one is fake, it doesn't mean they all are and vis-versa.

6. If we keep our excitment and skepticism in control, we may be able to come out with some truth to the matter. I do admit, I am more excited than skeptical, I would just hate to see any hope dashed if this turns out a fraud, as this would be the main objective of any disinformation, that and to get the truth as far away as possible from those who seek it.

I am going to read the whole thing once more and then comment again.

I hope this is the real deal.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !?!
Post by Farmboy on Jun 27th, 2007, 02:30am

the i-beams conceptually could be rt superconductors that are self-locked into place once current is activated.

The documents are familiar in tone to DOD stuff I've seen - seemingly simplistic but on second and third reading there is lots said between the lines. Or maybe what's between the lines is our own willingness to believe.

I am in phase with this thread...and would not especially like to hear tomorrow am that the Transformer movie has all of this. The i-beams could be nicely done, bakelite models. The manuals could prove the product of well paid script staff. However, this level of fakery seems a bit of a stretch for just a movie.

Back to the probes. Assuming they are physically real whatever the origin, the "crackling" noise suggests lifter. The radial construct suggests high field capability based on extreme mag flux achievable from a superconductor ring.
The color and reflectivity of the beam segments (if not bakelite or polycarb) suggest advanced metal-ceramic metamaterial composite. The stated weight of several ounces is confusing...either a lie or advanced nanotech processing of non-metal components.

Leaving reservations aside and going with the flow, the technology represented is plausible. And PLAUSIBILITY is what we are dealing with as a first order of addressing the non-fully disclosed "evidence" so far. The information storage that is claimed could occur by quantum encoding and processing...solid state quantum matrix arrays....just as someone compared with DVD technology but way more sophisticated. Quantum encoding is just a few years away from the commercial markets anyway.

The writing is an issue. First, Why, and how, the blueprints? Et's culture would have gone paperless long ago. And how would transcription of 3-D meta-language quantum encoding, or even something beyond that, to english and two dimensional paper occur? THis is a big downward leap of faith. But, the phrasing openly and honestly admits to that challenge. I can get into that boat.

MY take: the details have accumulated to a point where I believe no movie studio would want to go much less appear so successful at faking it. A hybrid reality is believable. Need to see some math that lies behind isaac's analysis team's work. Then maybe somehow a specimen will be offered. Even if i personally saw a probe, I would find it very hard to report it without some widely-accepted, external reference beyond just my honest face.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !?!
Post by alieniam on Jun 27th, 2007, 04:07am

Very interesting. I look forward to how this story will develop. On one hand it looks like disinfo mixed with some truth to make us believe it though. But anyway very very interesting explanation.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !?!
Post by gusblake on Jun 27th, 2007, 05:01am

Hey guys I get real worried when words like "solved" are being used.

UFO community is hoax central when it comes to self promotion for some people. e.g. Alien autopsy, World trade centre ufo film, Serpo the list goes on and on and on.

This has to treated like any thing else "A hoax until proven other wise" until ET came come down and say yes that is our technology.

If we don't do this people who can produce 3D animation will turn us all into a joke. What is happening now is real test of how serious the UFO community should be.

G tongue
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !?!
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 05:31am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 04:04am, OO1O111O wrote:
can't you spot a bad fake when you see it? this is by the same guy who did this:


We're all quite familiar with the pictures by now. You cannot simply dismiss the possibility. After all, with the tremendous amount of coverage of the Chad, Rahjam, Tahoe, Birmingham and Big Basin drones, it was hoped and expected that possibly someone may have more input that would want share. Who is to say that this isn't just that? We'll know over time but until then we should all have an open mind.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=reports&num=1179108769&start=480

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Easternbluestar on Jun 27th, 2007, 06:48am

Maybe this explains why many UFO sightings are near power line installations or power stations, perhaps Electricity interferes with their cloaking, and since electicity has been very common since the early to mid 1900's, as a widespread energy system, perhaps that is why sightings suddenly became more common place.

Just speculation on my part, but perhaps.

EBS
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 07:31am

chgowriter , one must read as well as write. This individual has already stated that these are present day scans from original documents and photos. This was addressed by several people in an earlier post. "Isaac" clearly states that the only alterations that he made to the documents were to those sections that might lead to his identification or sections that might be more dangerous to expose. As to gaining attention and some sort fame through perpetrating a hoax, I will believe that when his ID is revealed, he's paid for interviews, books, and DVD's - all of which he clearly rejects in his letter. Hard to be famous when your anonymous. (please re-read the intro letter for the actual quotes).

If this is a marketing ploy, it's a costly one. It's missing it's audience, and could very well back fire. It represents an amateurs approach to marketing, however the "props" are far from amateur. I would like to point out as well that "Transformers" is produced by Spielberg, from all that I've come to understand, a man who doesn't take this subject lightly (or would endorse such a game).

Could this be a hoax - sure, and a very, very good on at that. Might this be be the truth? Yes, and a very significant milestone. Have I decided 100%? No. But, it's obvious from your posts that you have. This is your right.

We are people hidden behind "nicknames" here. Any one of us might be a "hoax", playing a part in one, or spreading disinformation. On the other hand, there are some of us with more intimate knowledge of this subject and, although they may not feel comfortable sharing the fact, experts in some key areas.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 07:40am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 07:31am, MarkM wrote:
Could this be a hoax - sure, and a very, very good on at that. Might this be be the truth? Yes, and a very significant milestone. Have I decided 100%? No.


Exactly, which is why we need open minds and not debunkers. Healthy skepticism is requested, but nobody can (at this point) say outright that this is a hoax, not yet anyway.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 08:34am

on Jun 26th, 2007, 11:41pm, chgowriter wrote:
Got another question. On Isaac's "documents" why are there blocks of text blacked out?

Didn't his group write that report? If so, then who blacked out certain lines? I mean, why would you black out parts of your own report? You'd know what was in them.

Usually stuffed is blacked out of once-classified documents that are obtained via the FOIA. If you took the papers directly out of the actual government file, they shouldn't have those blacked-out portions, unless Isaac is being coy with his info, or possibly faking it.
Chgowriter


Isaac reported the following within the text.

However my intent is not to deceive, so information that I think is too risky to share will be simply left out rather than obfuscated in some way (aside from my alias, which I freely admit is not my real name).

I can imagine that if this is all true, then there would be consequences if he were to show and tell all. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 08:35am

What I would really be interested in is which crashed UFO this came from. A tremendous amount of people would probably like to know that.

Isaac stated....
Quote:
My time at the DoD was mostly uneventful but I was there for quite a while. I apparently proved myself to be reasonably intelligent and loyal. By 1984 these qualities along with my technical background made me a likely candidate for a new program they were recruiting for called “CARET”.


Considering that he said that CARET was a new program, we may be able to assume that the UFO crash was just previous to 1984.

The following are all of the UFO crashes that I could locate from 1984 back to 1974 to be safe. We could go back as far as Roswell but I would think that such a program would have started long before 1984 if these pieces came from Roswell.

5-74
Chili, NM
An Air Force team allegedly removed a 60 foot wide metallic object from an impact area and moved it to Kirtland AFB

5-1978
BOLIVIA
1974: A globe-shaped UFO exploded near the town of Donetsk in the northern Rostov region of Russia. Debris from the explosion examined by many people.

1978: Western Kazahstan. A UFO similar is shape to a fighter aircraft was allegedly shot down by the Soviet military. UFO and its pilots were transported to Zhitkur.

1978: Location unknown. A landed cylinder-shaped UFO come 35 meters long was allegedly seized by the Soviet military and transported to Zhitkur.

1979: On the 17 February near the village of Zhigansk, Yakutiya republic of Russia, a disc-shaped craft with a mirror-like surface crashed into the banks of the Lena river. Alien bodies were allegedly recovered which were later autopsied at the Moscow State University.

1979: A UFO crashed in the Ural region of Russia near the village of Rinburg. The wreckage was transported to the Odintsovo military base.

1981: In May a UFO exploded on the Kolsky peninsula in the Murmansk region. Debris was recovered by the Soviet military authorities and taken to the Monchegorsk military air base.

1983: On May 5 a cone-shaped UFO was allegedly tracked on military radar and shot down by ground air defence units near Ordzhonikidze in Northern Caucasus. The wreckage was recovered by the military and transported to the Odintsovo base.

1983: A UFO was allegedly shot down with an experimental laser weapon in Kazahstan.

1984: A seismic shock wave hit the Kolsky peninsula in the Murmansk region. An alleged UFO crash was reportedly responsible and the wreckage was later recovered and transported to the military base at Monchegorsk.

1984: In northern Russia in the Taymyrian area of Siberia , near the Enisey river a ‘dolphin-shaped’ craft was recovered from the river and removed to the Zhitkur base for study.

1984: On July 20 in the Baku mountains of Azerbaijan, a UFO was seen to crash into the mountains.

Reported Crashes and Recoveries based on Witnesses and Newspaper Articles.

1974 Llandrillo, Clwyd, Wales, UK
1974 November 9 Carbondale, Pennsylvania
1974 August 25 Chihuahua, Mexico Disc crash
1976 May 12 Desert, Australia
1977 April 5 South-West Ohio, USA
1977 June 22 Northwest Arizona, USA
1977 August 17 Tobasco, Mexico
1978 May 6 Padcaya, Bolivia Search team finds nothing.
1978 Ocean off Finland, USSR USSR army
1978 November 10 Lebannon

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 09:19am

Isaac stated........
Quote:
It's no surprise that these sightings are all taking place in California, and especially the Saratoga/South Bay area. Not far from Saratoga is Mountain View/Sunnyvale, home to Moffett Field and the NASA Ames Research center.


For those interested in what is going on at Ames Research currently, or rather what is available to the public, please check the following address.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/highlights/index.html

NASA's own Astrobiology Program is contained at Ames research as well.

Ames Highlights: Astrobiology Biology Institute
Astrobiology investigates the origin, evolution, distribution, and future of life on Earth, and the search for life beyond Earth. NASA Ames is home to the NASA Astrobiology Institute and scientists whose research impacts this field.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:02am

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I wish to reiterate something I posted previously and then add to that because I feel it is due me considering my present situation. Below, I have added four addresses found here in the forum where I made the following statement going as far back as February 18, 2006. Such things were conveyed to me in 2004.

3. Executive Summary Q486
"Three-dimensional image recorder/projector"


This sounds like what it was they explained to me that they use for stealth and able to keep them in our airspace while not being seen - recording and then projecting their surroundings around the craft while it sits still and silent in our skies.

I'll bet that their appearance was made possible BECAUSE of an interference near high tension wires, which is why we see them by high tension wires.

My additional post now is as follows

To follow are my comments I have made in the past here in the UFO Casebook forum regarding what I have been shown by aliens.

I understand that most find it difficult to comprehend the possibility of contactees but we do exist. In the following posts I mention the camera/projecter equipment that the aliens use for stealth technology in order to hide their existence while sitting on top of our heads.

Posted June 21, 2007
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&action=display&num=1182533928

Posted March 31, 2007
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1175347369

Posted May 2, 2006
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&action=display&num=1146511109

Posted February 18, 2006
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&action=display&num=1140190369

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !?!
Post by Andyp on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:04am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 05:01am, gusblake wrote:
Hey guys I get real worried when words like "solved" are being used.

UFO community is hoax central when it comes to self promotion for some people. e.g. Alien autopsy, World trade centre ufo film, Serpo the list goes on and on and on.

This has to treated like any thing else "A hoax until proven other wise" until ET came come down and say yes that is our technology.

If we don't do this people who can produce 3D animation will turn us all into a joke. What is happening now is real test of how serious the UFO community should be.

G tongue

Yup, I would have to agree.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jlc767 on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:15am

A few things...

• I really, really, really want to know the 4th entry on the list.

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-q486-report-p3-halfsize.jpg

• Also, and maybe it's me, but I'm still troubled by the Big Bason footage. And by troubled I mean concerned that it's a fake...

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/968/Big_Basin_Chad_UFO_Drone_CGI/

First off, why is there only 20 seconds of footage? I mean, really. It doesn't make sense. If you're in the damn desert with a camcorder in the first place and a UFO or drone pops up out of no where what are the chances of only have 20 seconds of battery life?

But that's not the case; he shuts off the camera (at the end of the movie).

Another thing that bothers me is that the fashion with which the "drone" is filmed doesn't seem realistic. Not to say that there isn't enough movement (I realize the "drone" is close to him), but for some reason it's screaming CG render and I can't place it. I think it's the fact that the camera is fixed on the "drone" and keeps it centered the entire time as it zooms around.

The end of the movie is the icing on the cake for me. 20 seconds of footage and "Chad" decides to stop filming (we physically see when Chad decides to drop his arm from filming and the footage ends). Why? Why on Gods green earth would you put the camera down?

Plus, there's no sound? C'mon!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Sokratekk on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:28am

so what are these crafts?

1. the 3 prototypes, (mentioned in the scan)
2. an man-made object with alien parts
3. a complete extraterristical creation

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by PsychoChick on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:30am

My gut feeling is this is real. I hope there will be more to follow. I can also appreciate the "mind blowing" aspect to being told this information. Very interesting - I will have to read it several times to chew on it.

As far as which UFO Crash it was from - perhaps they were never told. I would think that would probably be something the military would consider they don't have a "need to know".


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by solarwind on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:45am

The "Isaac" revelations represent, if true, a seminal moment in the history of UFO's. If it is a hoax, it will easily rank right up there with the greatest of all time.

A hoax that allegedly involves multiple independent sightings over a 2 month time frame and includes highly detailed false documents and faked photos is very likely unique in the annals of ufology. We are in the presence of greatness!!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by solarwind on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:53am

A quote from PACL Q4-86 Report p3, "Not all recovered extraterrestrial technologies are equal . . . " Certainly implies more than a few have been recovered.

Also from the same doc, "However, since the sudden emergence of such radically advanced technology would undoubtedly yield destructive consequences, PACL recommends a strategy of incremental dissemination in which deliberately downgraded versions of the original technology are released over a period of years or decades to soften the impact of integration with existing infrastructures . . ."

Hmm, deliberately downgraded versions. Makes me wonder if Bill Gates didn't have a mole in PACL!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:55am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:45am, solarwind wrote:
A hoax that allegedly involves multiple independent sightings over a 2 month time frame and includes highly detailed false documents and faked photos is very likely unique in the annals of ufology. We are in the presence of greatness!!


Not to mention that the Birmingham sighting was a year prior to Chad's drone in May 2006. If these are hoaxers, then why would they have a year span between hoaxes. Let us also not forget that Birmingham is in Alabama and not California.

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BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA DRONE


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by solarwind on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:55am

The most glaring improbability in Isaac's story seems to me to be the selection of a research facility in Palo Alto. I suppose it could be done as I am aware of certain CIA false front operations that were similarly situated but the operation he describes seems rather large. Why not just shuttle your employees to a secure location such as happens every day from Vegas to Groom Lake?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by GForce on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:58am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:45am, solarwind wrote:
The "Isaac" revelations represent, if true, a seminal moment in the history of UFO's. If it is a hoax, it will easily rank right up there with the greatest of all time.

A hoax that allegedly involves multiple independent sightings over a 2 month time frame and includes highly detailed false documents and faked photos is very likely unique in the annals of ufology. We are in the presence of greatness!!


I will admit at first I thought it was a hoax! And it still MAY be. If so then what solarwind has said would be true. But I will admit after reading and re-reading the documents IT IS PLAUSIBLE THAT IT'S REAL. The one red flag that sticks out to me is how he claims to have removed the documents. That would have to take more guts than sense!

I think it's only fair to take the documents at face value. Meaning believe what they say until they're proved otherwise. Becasue after all we're all looking for the smoking gun and if we debunk everything we see without merit then they'll be fewer people willing to take a chance to expose the truth. Just my two cents! Dan
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by solarwind on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:59am

Gotta say, also, that the photo of the "antigravity generator" a/k/a A1 is also remarkably cool. Especially the photo that appears to show the two I-beams suspended in air when the device is turned on. And the notion that the anti-gravity generator not only propels the craft, but apparently holds all of its parts together in a highly precise configuration, is highly original

You want to get a feel for the richness of this potential hoax? Examine the symbols in the "Linguistics Analysis Primer" at fullsize. They are absolutely beautiful and captivating in the denseness of the detail. Whoever created these designs had a certain creative genius and waaayyyy to much time on their hands. I've never seen anything quite like them and to create them solely for purposes of an obscure internet hoax is, well, stunning.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jlc767 on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:12am

It would be extremely easy to find Abstract / "alien" / Klingon fonts on the internet for free, manipulate them like so... and viola - alien writing. Sure, it looks nice, but I could lay out those glyphs in a matter of minutes. Give me longer and I'll transform them into something that couldn't be traced back to the internet or a particular font.

But, yeah, they look great. tongue


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by JustJakob on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:16am

on Jun 26th, 2007, 11:41pm, chgowriter wrote:
Got another question. On Isaac's "documents" why are there blocks of text blacked out?

Didn't his group write that report? If so, then who blacked out certain lines? I mean, why would you black out parts of your own report? You'd know what was in them.

Usually stuffed is blacked out of once-classified documents that are obtained via the FOIA. If you took the papers directly out of the actual government file, they shouldn't have those blacked-out portions, unless Isaac is being coy with his info, or possibly faking it.

Chgowriter



Yeh, sure, your right. BUT.
He says himself that he doesn't want to give all information to us now, so i figure he has blacked them himself, maybe copies of the ones the took, og just blacked the lines in some editor? How should I know. He sounds very credible. but exiting how it turns out.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jlc767 on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:19am

He mentions having more information. And the possibility of him leaking it in the future... man, I hope that happens!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by benzjie on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:21am

same here..and when he does...........the future's gonna be a white knockle ride
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:23am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:15am, jlc767 wrote:
A few things...

• I really, really, really want to know the 4th entry on the list.

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-q486-report-p3-halfsize.jpg

• Also, and maybe it's me, but I'm still troubled by the Big Bason footage. And by troubled I mean concerned that it's a fake...

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/968/Big_Basin_Chad_UFO_Drone_CGI/

First off, why is there only 20 seconds of footage? I mean, really. It doesn't make sense. If you're in the damn desert with a camcorder in the first place and a UFO or drone pops up out of no where what are the chances of only have 20 seconds of battery life?

But that's not the case; he shuts off the camera (at the end of the movie).

Another thing that bothers me is that the fashion with which the "drone" is filmed doesn't seem realistic. Not to say that there isn't enough movement (I realize the "drone" is close to him), but for some reason it's screaming CG render and I can't place it. I think it's the fact that the camera is fixed on the "drone" and keeps it centered the entire time as it zooms around.

The end of the movie is the icing on the cake for me. 20 seconds of footage and "Chad" decides to stop filming (we physically see when Chad decides to drop his arm from filming and the footage ends). Why? Why on Gods green earth would you put the camera down?

Plus, there's no sound? C'mon!


Did you watch the ENTIRE clip? It clearly states at the end: CGI ANIMATION BIG BASIN CALIFORNIA.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:23am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:55am, solarwind wrote:
The most glaring improbability in Isaac's story seems to me to be the selection of a research facility in Palo Alto.


I questioned that also in my mind. I knew that Palo Alto was in the Silicon Valley and so I researched a few things this morning. Besides what I found, there are other locations in near proximity to Palo Alto that would have crossed over in regard to the work that was being done in Palo Alto.

What I found in Wikipedia was the following.

Roots in radio and military technology
The San Francisco Bay Area had long been a major site of U.S. Navy research and technology. In 1909, Charles Herrold started the first radio station in the United States with regularly scheduled programming in San Jose. Later that year, Stanford University graduate Cyril Elwell purchased the U.S. patents for Poulsen arc radio transmission technology and founded the Federal Telegraph Corporation (FTC) in Palo Alto. Over the next decade, the FTC created the world's first global radio communication system, and signed a contract with the U.S. Navy in 1912 PDF (90.0 KiB).

In 1933, Air Base Sunnyvale, Cal. was commissioned by the United States Government for the use as a Naval Air Station (NAS). The station was renamed NAS Moffett Field, and between 1933 and 1947, US Navy blimps were based here. A number of technology firms had set up shop in the area around Moffett to serve the Navy. When the Navy gave up it's airship ambitions and moved most of its West Coast operations to San Diego, NACA (the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, forerunner of NASA) took over portions of Moffett for aeronautics research. Many of the original companies stayed, while new ones moved in. The immediate area was soon filled with aerospace firms such as Lockheed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley

In the Silicon Valley alone, Lockheed for instance has three facilities. Two in Palo Alto and one in Sunnyvale. All three have NASA affiliation, hence government affiliation.

I suspect Lockheed as a current day location for such drones or maybe just the hardware due to their numerous unmanned vehicles they have already created.

The fiscal 2007 Pentagon budget unveiled Monday proposes boosting spending on unmanned aircraft to $1.7 billion next year. Lockheed's focus on drones comes after years of wrestling over developing unmanned planes for fear of undermining its franchise business in fighter jets. The company now feels both more secure about funding for its fighter programs and more compelled to jump on the multibillion-dollar drone bandwagon.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06038/651627.stm


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:30am

Interesting similarities:
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I see several patterns in this diagram.
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by remoat on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:33am

before anyone allows their heartbeat to accelerate beyond what is healthy given their age, weight, and family heritage, stop and think for 30 seconds.. why is this info placed in a forum? is it to tell us "THEY'RE HERE"? or, "THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER"? i dont know what any of this is and it really doesn't matter what anyone in this forum thinks this is.. what matters is, what would engineers and designers of advanced electrical and aerospace systems think of this? if this were something that it appears to be, and if it belonged to me, i wouldn't post it in a forum.. i would either ask a trusted person with electrical engineering or aircraft design expertise to analyze and offer his/her conclusions as to what it is, whether it is innovative or derivative, and whether it is familiar or unknown to them.. a second opinion would also be important.. only after several "perfect-10" experts in fields associated with the technology, design and materials used in these pictures, diagrams, etc. have decreed the unique characteristics which these artifacts appear to contain would i consider openly publicizing them.. these objects and writings could be something remarkable, or they could be spare parts of kitchen appliances knocked together with crazy glue.. i dont know and, notwithstanding the familiarity of the owner with his property, neither does he.. if/when this assemblage of "stuff" is examined by authorities in fields related to what this "stuff" purports to be, we will confidently understand what this is.. until then, i'll pass.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by solarwind on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:34am

The posts that attempt to relate the Isaac language to crop circles strike me as mostly a wasted effort. The catalog of crop circles over the past 20 years is so vast that one can find alleged "matching" symbology for virtually any design one goes looking for. Why bother?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:40am

ATO, I spoke at length with my brother, an expert in robotics. He had a client in Silicone Valley during the time period in question and spent a month out there. He told me that this client (internationally known) had what looked like the kind of "shed" that High Schools store sports equipment in behind a very traditional looking tech building. Once through the doors you took an elevator down through six subteranean floors. It was outfitted to survive all forms of disasters. He read through the "Isaac" papers and was impressed.

IF this is real, I applaud him coming forward. Over the years, the secrecy regarding the involvement of civilian scientists in alien technology has destroyed many a family. This I am an expert on.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:42am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:34am, solarwind wrote:
The posts that attempt to relate the Isaac language to crop circles strike me as mostly a wasted effort. The catalog of crop circles over the past 20 years is so vast that one can find alleged "matching" symbology for virtually any design one goes looking for. Why bother?


Why bother? Because we don't have the answers yet and if we don't continue to ask the questions and to explore the possibilities - we never will. Sounds like a good enough reason to me.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by brad873 on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:46am

that is odd, the alien writin on those is identicle to the 2005 war of the worlds writing u see when thay are in the cage
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jlc767 on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:46am

Someone put a lot of time into this. From a design stand-point, it's pretty damn impressive. Reminds me of some of the crazy stuff Marion Bantjes does.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2007/pacl-lang-analysis-p119-fullsize.jpg

So, where did it come from again? Did the humans working there design this?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:51am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:33am, remoat wrote:
if this were something that it appears to be, and if it belonged to me, i wouldn't post it in a forum.. i would either ask a trusted person with electrical engineering or aircraft design expertise to analyze and offer his/her conclusions as to what it is, whether it is innovative or derivative, and whether it is familiar or unknown to them.


That is what forums and websites are all about remoat. This story is all over the Internet. I doubt that there is a UFO/alien oriented website that hasn't already posted this story. From there it flows over into a large number of news companies. Forums and websites are like the news and until such an individual hears the news, such as Isaac, then how else could anyone find out about it.

The webmaster BJ used the forum address for his story today simply because it was already completed in here yesterday, so why have to prepare it again for the main website when you only have to supply a link instead.

BJ has a real job to attend to as well. Wanna go visit him at work, enter here.

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http://ufos.about.com/
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by solarwind on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:54am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:42am, MarkM wrote:
Why bother? Because we don't have the answers yet and if we don't continue to ask the questions and to explore the possibilities - we never will. Sounds like a good enough reason to me.


Some investigations are more potentially productive than others. Suppose you found a crop circle that closely matched an Isaac language symbol. What have you established? It just seems like an investigation designed to dead-end no matter what. Not to mention that any such resemblance is likely to be entirely coincidental given the vast array of images available.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:58am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:46am, brad873 wrote:
that is odd, the alien writin on those is identicle to the 2005 war of the worlds writing u see when thay are in the cage


Then such a comment needs evidence. How about you go out into the Internet and find us a picture so that we can compare.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by solarwind on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:58am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:33am, remoat wrote:
before anyone allows their heartbeat to accelerate beyond what is healthy given their age, weight, and family heritage, stop and think for 30 seconds.. why is this info placed in a forum? is it to tell us "THEY'RE HERE"? or, "THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER"? i dont know what any of this is and it really doesn't matter what anyone in this forum thinks this is.. what matters is, what would engineers and designers of advanced electrical and aerospace systems think of this? if this were something that it appears to be, and if it belonged to me, i wouldn't post it in a forum.. i would either ask a trusted person with electrical engineering or aircraft design expertise to analyze and offer his/her conclusions as to what it is, whether it is innovative or derivative, and whether it is familiar or unknown to them.. a second opinion would also be important.. only after several "perfect-10" experts in fields associated with the technology, design and materials used in these pictures, diagrams, etc. have decreed the unique characteristics which these artifacts appear to contain would i consider openly publicizing them.. these objects and writings could be something remarkable, or they could be spare parts of kitchen appliances knocked together with crazy glue.. i dont know and, notwithstanding the familiarity of the owner with his property, neither does he.. if/when this assemblage of "stuff" is examined by authorities in fields related to what this "stuff" purports to be, we will confidently understand what this is.. until then, i'll pass.


I am puzzled by your post. You state that if this info was yours you would go to a trusted technical source before posting it on a site such as this. "Isaac" already KNOWS what this info represents and allegedly wants to reveal part of it to the world while maintaining his anonymity. What exactly is wrong with that approach?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by DrkDrgn on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:03pm

I do not want to argue. But, all this proves is the crafts are like we said. Man made.
This guy puts this story out here and wants to stay anonymous. Ok, so lets point out you were DOD You moved thru the ranks faster than your piers, your exact dates of employment and you have a web site.
Well guess what pal. They knew who you were before they even finished your letter. You have got to be kidding me.
If this person is telling the truth. He has already committed suicide. He hog tied himself, then choked his self out with piano wire.
Or he is sitting back getting his jollies off on his hoax. I am not buying it.
You have given them way more than enough info to bag your butt. Come forward now.
Anyone buying this. I am selling a bridge crossing the bearing straight. Call me let's make a deal.

NOTHING has been solved. This guy just added to the mystery.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by solarwind on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:06pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:46am, jlc767 wrote:
Someone put a lot of time into this. From a design stand-point, it's pretty damn impressive. Reminds me of some of the crazy stuff Marion Bantjes does.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2007/pacl-lang-analysis-p119-fullsize.jpg

So, where did it come from again? Did the humans working there design this?


The photos and PACL report are fascinating but it is the Linguistic Analysis Primer that simply blows me away. If this was created from scratch simply for the purposes of a hoax, WOW. The level of detail and rich diversity of the "language" just leaves me slack-jawed every time I look at it. The hoaxer, if that's what it is, gets an A++++ in the graphic design department.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by solarwind on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:11pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:03pm, DarkDragon wrote:
I do not want to argue. But, all this proves is the crafts are like we said. Man made.
This guy puts this story out here and wants to stay anonymous. Ok, so lets point out you were DOD You moved thru the ranks faster than your piers, your exact dates of employment and you have a web site.
Well guess what pal. They knew who you were before they even finished your letter. You have got to be kidding me.
If this person is telling the truth. He has already committed suicide. He hog tied himself, then choked his self out with piano wire.
Or he is sitting back getting his jollies off on his hoax. I am not buying it.
You have given them way more than enough info to bag your butt. Come forward now.
Anyone buying this. I am selling a bridge crossing the bearing straight. Call me let's make a deal.

NOTHING has been solved. This guy just added to the mystery.


"Isaac" is obviously a fairly intelligent guy. Why would you assume that all the potential identification "leads" in his story are accurate? If I was trying to remain anonymous, I would without question "salt" my story with some spurious info about my background that would lead investigators astray. Doubt if it would be that difficult. Perhaps he never moved into management. Perhaps HE is the guy recruited from IBM. Anyway, you get my point - he has an infinite number of story variations he could come up with to remain anonymous.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by JerremyC on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:11pm

Probably the blacked out text is about the S1 "control" device which probably is more than just a "control" device.

What I'm wondering about is this:
If these devices are used to keep the craft as one piece, what happens if the devices are turned off? Does the craft break appart?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Andyp on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:13pm

He would have to lie about the dates and place. Or he's posting this from the moon. grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:14pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:40am, MarkM wrote:
ATO, I spoke at length with my brother, an expert in robotics. He had a client in Silicone Valley during the time period in question and spent a month out there. He told me that this client (internationally known) had what looked like the kind of "shed" that High Schools store sports equipment in behind a very traditional looking tech building. Once through the doors you took an elevator down through six subteranean floors. It was outfitted to survive all forms of disasters. He read through the "Isaac" papers and was impressed.


Couldn't drag anymore out of him could you Mark. lol Like the (internationally known) part. cool

Great post, thx.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:17pm

It's also entirely possible that "Isaac" was allowed to release (leak) this information at this particular time. Who knows what the reasoning might be? Right off the bat - these photos exist, the interest in them is not letting up, no one has a definitive answer. From the governments point of view perhaps a bit of controlled info now is better that uncontrolled info later. In other words, a bit of damage control. "Isaac" may very well be a committee and not an individual. Just a thought.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:17pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:13pm, Andyp wrote:
He would have to lie about the dates and place. Or he's posting this from the moon. grin


What is this particular post referring too. The thread is moving pretty quickly so you might want to click "quote" instead of "reply" before you post so we know which statement made or post you are referring to. grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:18pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:17pm, MarkM wrote:
It's also entirely possible that "Isaac" was allowed to release (leak) this information at this particular time. Who knows what the reasoning might be? Right off the bat - these photos exist, the interest in them is not letting up, no one has a definitive answer. From the governments point of view perhaps a bit of controlled info now is better that uncontrolled info later. In other words, a bit of damage control. "Isaac" may very well be a committee and not an individual. Just a thought.


Not to mention, who is to say if synchronicity is in the works. I'm starting to wonder myself.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Andyp on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:23pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:17pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
What is this particular post referring too. The thread is moving pretty quickly so you might want to click "quote" instead of "reply" before you post so we know which statement made or post you are referring to. grin

I was just generally speaking when he released the info to the net. I used the word post instead hehe. tongue
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:29pm


Here are the rest of the linguistic pictures I promised you earlier.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by solarwind on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:29pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:17pm, MarkM wrote:
It's also entirely possible that "Isaac" was allowed to release (leak) this information at this particular time. Who knows what the reasoning might be? Right off the bat - these photos exist, the interest in them is not letting up, no one has a definitive answer. From the governments point of view perhaps a bit of controlled info now is better that uncontrolled info later. In other words, a bit of damage control. "Isaac" may very well be a committee and not an individual. Just a thought.


Excellent point. A "controlled" leak is entirely possible and could either be 'information" or "disinformation".
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:30pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:23pm, Andyp wrote:
I was just generally speaking when he released the info to the net. I used the word post instead hehe. tongue


Gotcha Andy tongue tongue he, he
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by solarwind on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:34pm

The linguistic pictures are so much more impressive when viewed in their original full size format:

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-lang-analysis-p120-fullsize.jpg


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Andyp on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:36pm

That one symbol looks like it is referring to hyperdimensional physics. huh
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:49pm

Just to clarify my rational for pointing out the similarity with crop circle symbolism, and why this MIGHT be relevant, here is my post from the locked thread:

I was thinking about what "Isaac" said about the symbols and how they are both the program and the execution. When we look at how the parts of an atom must be aligned in a precise configuration in order to create a specific "thing", it's not difficult to see how this might work. In fact, going from the microcosm to the macrocosm, the universe itself exists in exactly the form it does because of the way the planets and other cosmic objects are arranged. Change that arrangement (code) in either example, and everything changes.

A solid containing information which can be accessed is not unlike how DVD's work, and, on a simpler scale, the way a prism breaks down light.

This all seems rather mind boggling at first pass, but once you chew on it a bit, more than feasible.

I know that it might seem a stretch for some, but looking at the "linguistics" really reminded me of some of the crop circle patterns (see earlier post). Just as the symbols arranged as they are on the craft dictate a action, perhaps some of the circle patterns are programs. What might be the "machine" being programmed? The earth itself? Do they (the symbols / language / code) somehow interact with the electromagnetic field to cause something?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Latitude on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:50pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:34pm, solarwind wrote:
The linguistic pictures are so much more impressive when viewed in their original full size format:

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-lang-analysis-p120-fullsize.jpg


More evidence against the hoax theory (on top of the mountain already made). How much more does it take to to silence the debunkers?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:52pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:50pm, Latitude wrote:
More evidence against the hoax theory (on top of the mountain already made). How much more does it take to to silence the debunkers?


That's the second time today I have clicked on that address url and it comes up blank. See what you get Latitude. I wonder if that guy removed his pictures from his website.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Latitude on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:54pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:52pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That's the second time today I have clicked on that address url and it comes up blank. See what you get Latitude. I wonder if that guy removed his pictures from his website.


You cannot link directly to his pics.

But the site is still up.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jlc767 on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:56pm

I checked the HTML of the Fortunecity page and didn't see anything dubious. I also pulled some of the scans into PS and dropped the Gamma (Image > Adjustments > Exposure > Gamma) and they all have a T-shaped something centered. I would imagine it's part of the mid-80's copier that was used by this guy? Any experts about?

I suppose it's random, I'm just trying to be a detective...
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Latitude on Jun 27th, 2007, 1:08pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:56pm, jlc767 wrote:
I checked the HTML of the Fortunecity page and didn't see anything dubious. I also pulled some of the scans into PS and dropped the Gamma (Image > Adjustments > Exposure > Gamma) and they all have a T-shaped something centered. I would imagine it's part of the mid-80's copier that was used by this guy? Any experts about?

I suppose it's random, I'm just trying to be a detective...


Yes and the T looks to be a shade of blue on a black and white diagram. Could the T stand for Top Secret?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jlc767 on Jun 27th, 2007, 1:11pm

Well, forget the colors. I'm manipulating all of the information in those image files to attempt to bring out something we might otherwise miss... the colors are insignificant (and have been manipulated).
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 1:19pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 1:11pm, jlc767 wrote:
Well, forget the colors. I'm manipulating all of the information in those image files to attempt to bring out something we might otherwise miss... the colors are insignificant (and have been manipulated).


Just the color or the (what looks like) a "T" also?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jlc767 on Jun 27th, 2007, 1:21pm

Just the color. The "T" is there.

I've also examined the high-resolution pictures (i-beams, etc.) and attempted to sharpen them, etc. and didn't find anything. They look pretty damn real.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 1:25pm

Nice work, jlc767. Actually the color is significant. It's blue in the original with no manipulation. I checked it for a digital watermark and none was detected (covert or otherwise). That would imply that this is a watermark in the actual paper itself identifying the manufacturer (perhaps). Some type of engineering paper supplier? Can you hoax a watermark? Sure, simply by creating two or more graphic layers. If genuine it could be traced which might give us still more info on the documents time line and location.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 1:34pm



That watermark may represent the word Technical.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Latitude on Jun 27th, 2007, 1:42pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 1:11pm, jlc767 wrote:
Well, forget the colors. I'm manipulating all of the information in those image files to attempt to bring out something we might otherwise miss... the colors are insignificant (and have been manipulated).


I did the lower gamma thing with my own software and noticed the blue T. There might be some significance to the blue color.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jlc767 on Jun 27th, 2007, 1:46pm

My thought process was that the "T" is something physical behind the piece of paper being scanned or copied. No?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by GForce on Jun 27th, 2007, 1:59pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:03pm, DarkDragon wrote:
I do not want to argue. But, all this proves is the crafts are like we said. Man made.
This guy puts this story out here and wants to stay anonymous. Ok, so lets point out you were DOD You moved thru the ranks faster than your piers, your exact dates of employment and you have a web site.
Well guess what pal. They knew who you were before they even finished your letter. You have got to be kidding me.
If this person is telling the truth. He has already committed suicide. He hog tied himself, then choked his self out with piano wire.
Or he is sitting back getting his jollies off on his hoax. I am not buying it.
You have given them way more than enough info to bag your butt. Come forward now.
Anyone buying this. I am selling a bridge crossing the bearing straight. Call me let's make a deal.

NOTHING has been solved. This guy just added to the mystery.


DarkDragon, I've seen many posts by you where you claim to have either an INSIDE source or knowledge. I've yet to see you name them. So to call someone out about releasing documents real or fake. Seems like the pot calling the kettle black.

IF your claims are true and YOU'RE concerned about YOUR source. Then why wouldn't you think someone else would be concerned about his life. Your argument makes NO sense. Dan
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:03pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 1:46pm, jlc767 wrote:
My thought process was that the "T" is something physical behind the piece of paper being scanned or copied. No?


I don't think so (but, I could be wrong smiley). The blue is kind of tell-tale, it used to be called "non-photo" blue as it doesn't copy as well as black or other colors. If it were something mechanical behind the document it would appear more like a shadow, the "T" is very precise. Also, the paper would have to be fairly thin or transparent.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:14pm



GForce, I love that new avatar. I have never seen that one, how appropriate for right now. grin grin grin

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Miscreant on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:20pm

The SICD is not hoaxed.

It is real.

You are not ready for the truth.

~M~
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by remoat on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:20pm

solarwind says:
"Isaac" already KNOWS what this info represents and allegedly wants to reveal part of it to the world while maintaining his anonymity. What exactly is wrong with that approach?

remoat says:
let me get this straight.. some guy named "isaac" walks in off the street and shows pictures, of what we dont know, and asserts his status, which we dont know, claiming hes got pictures that, for all you know, might be a diagram for assembling a model railroad.. and you're buying this? im looking for evidence that what he has is something that suggests a conclusion that says what, exactly? what does it prove? i can take pictures of a toaster with wings, supplement it with instructions in chinese about how to build a sand castle and claim its a message from aliens who stayed over at my house last wekend.. would you buy it if i promised its real?? cant you see the self-serving nature of this post? are you so desperate for evidence of something, you dont know when you're reading proof of nothing?
maybe you'd be interested in how to buy foreclosure properties at NO RISK TO YOURSELF!! how about WORK FROM HOME--MAKE THOUSANDS MONTHLY!!

atrueoriginal says:
That is what forums and websites are all about remoat. This story is all over the Internet. I doubt that there is a UFO/alien oriented website that hasn't already posted this story. From there it flows over into a large number of news companies. Forums and websites are like the news and until such an individual hears the news, such as Issac, then how else could anyone find out about it.

remoat says:
you are absolutely right.. forums are for the free and stimulating exchange of ideas.. they dont have to be good ideas, or feasible ideas, or original ideas, or credible ideas.. but, an exchange of ideas presupposes that one who proposes ideas, or proposals or hypotheses, or whatever must also be prepared to receive comments in return, and these comments might be supportive, or questioning, or humorous, or left-field, or even, heavens forbid, analytical! your point seems to be, well, its all over the internet, so aside from being well-publicized its been time-tested, audience-tested and found to have weatherd the trials of credulity, technical feasibility and being fun to read.. well, i guess i missed the report of this story in time magazine, the new york times, the wall street journal, and all the cable news networks.. you mention its reported in many UFO websites and its all over the internet.. im sorry to disabuse you of a cherished notion, but UFO websites arent deemed reliable sources for significant news coverage.. if coverage throughout the internet is a criteria for the importance of a news story, have you heard the one about elvis being kidnapped byaliens and rushed to a far-off planet where he's working on a new album? it's on every elvis website and in most of his fan blogs.. to anyone who wants to show remarkable evidence of something really weird that's true: 1) if you want to make a stong argument, do it on a solid foundation: present evidence to an impartial judge for an un-biased opinion; 2) find a second impartial judge who also gives an unbiased opinion; 3) find someone who can give an impartial opinion on the significance of the find (establish conext and meaning); 4) find someone who will argue against your position(s); be able to refute each point compellingly; 5) release the findings of your impartial associates.. even better if they
agree to asnwer questions and challenges from the media and anyone who disputes your discovery..

bottom line: if you want your opinion, evidence, photos, audio tapes, quotations from other sources, etc., to be taken seriously, you have to make the serious effort to show that what you've got is: 1) accurate; 2) compelling; 3) complete in detail; 4) supported by sources of information which have no personal stake in the outcome of your story; 5) supported by independent investigation which, using your info as a starting point, duplicates your results or conclusions.

you can believe anything and anyone you choose; but, to ask others to agree with your propsotion, your story has to be believable.. i dont see anything in this story by "isaac" that is necessarily believable or credible.. i will say isaac spins a good yarn.. so did the guys who wrote "close encounters..", "jaws", "contact" and "2001".. they were great fun, too..
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Latitude on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:22pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:03pm, MarkM wrote:
I don't think so (but, I could be wrong smiley). The blue is kind of tell-tale, it used to be called "non-photo" blue as it doesn't copy as well as black or other colors. If it were something mechanical behind the document it would appear more like a shadow, the "T" is very precise. Also, the paper would have to be fairly thin or transparent.


MarkM

Is this what you are talking about?
http://glossary.ippaper.com/default.asp?req=glossary/term/1558&catitemid=

It says it cannot be photographically reproduced. How is it that it is on the scans then?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:27pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:20pm, remoat wrote:
remoat says:
let me get this straight.. some guy named "isaac" walks in off the street and shows pictures, of what we dont know, and asserts his status, which we dont know, claiming hes got pictures that, for all you know, might be a diagram for assembling a model railroad.. and you're buying this?


Right. That's EXACTLY how this has all gone down. So glad that you were paying attention these past few months. Now, why don't you stick your insults in your back pocket, take a breath, and actually study what's been presented? Your statement above is so absurd that I can only believe that you haven't bothered to take the time to actually research this the way many folks here have.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by GForce on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:31pm

Sorry if I sound a bit tense folks. But I'm amazed that here we have some documents either real or fake to discuss. Which BTW none of us know for sure one way or the other on the authenticity. And debunkers are coming out of the woodwork to discredit them WITHOUT any facts. Its one thing to give a theory or opinion on them. But to critize without without a shread of evidence to back up a claim is ridiculous. If you want ME to believe these are fake than prove to me they are. Till then I will take them at face value! THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:31pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:22pm, Latitude wrote:
titemid=[/url]It says it cannot be photographically reproduced. How is it that it is on the scans then?


Scanning is a different process. What I meant was that a standard black and white photocopier doesn't easily pick this range up. I still think that it's most likely a traditional watermark (non digital). My main point was about whether these are original drawings or photocopies smiley.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:33pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:31pm, GForce wrote:
Its one thing to give a theory or opinion on them. But to critize without without a shread of evidence to back up a claim is ridiculous. If you want ME to believe these are fake than prove to me they are.


ABSOLUTELY, Dan.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by WT on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:41pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:03pm, MarkM wrote:
I don't think so (but, I could be wrong smiley). The blue is kind of tell-tale, it used to be called "non-photo" blue as it doesn't copy as well as black or other colors. If it were something mechanical behind the document it would appear more like a shadow, the "T" is very precise. Also, the paper would have to be fairly thin or transparent.


Hi Guys! You don't know me and I don't know you but the "T" is at the same position on every image so it has to be something in the scanner or something laying on the page when scanned or maybe a digital watermark. The top horizontal bar and the vertical bar are pretty sharp, the bottom bar differs from image to image though. Which makes it an "I" (Isaac?) and not a "T" anyway.

One thing I don't get though is the cover sheet has three holes but the other pages don't. Any explanation?

WT

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:48pm

remoat wrote:

"i can take pictures of a toaster with wings, supplement it with instructions in chinese about how to build a sand castle and claim its a message from aliens who stayed over at my house last wekend.. would you buy it if i promised its real??"

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You mean .... this isn't ....... REAL?!!!!!

Disclaimer: I have no idea whether the text on the right is instructions on building a sand castle. It's all Chinese to me smiley
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:56pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:20pm, remoat wrote:
your point seems to be, well, its all over the internet, so aside from being well-publicized its been time-tested, audience-tested and found to have weatherd the trials of credulity, technical feasibility and being fun to read.


I never made such a point. No, you read that into it and, that thought never even crossed my mind.

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well, i guess i missed the report of this story in time magazine, the new york times, the wall street journal, and all the cable news networks.


This report has only been out for about 24 hours.

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you mention its reported in many UFO websites and its all over the internet.. im sorry to disabuse you of a cherished notion, but UFO websites arent deemed reliable sources for significant news coverage.


Oh my, that is so incorrect. Sure, we're riddled with a lot of garbage but we do have reliable information as well, which makes us a very significant source.

The UFO Casebook website receives over 30,000 clicks a day. Consequently, many out there think we are a reliable source.

Quote:
if you want to make a stong argument, do it on a solid foundation: present evidence to an impartial judge for an un-biased opinion; 2) find a second impartial judge who also gives an unbiased opinion; 3) find someone who can give an impartial opinion on the significance of the find (establish conext and meaning); 4) find someone who will argue against your position(s); be able to refute each point compellingly; 5) release the findings of your impartial associates.. even better if they agree to answer questions and challenges from the media and anyone who disputes your discovery.


This is not an argument. As a matter of fact, in both senses of the word, there are no arguments in an open forum. An open forum is where we discuss topics and weight the pros and cons the best we can with what information we are handed. We do not hash such things out as you mentioned above and never will. If we did, we would look like government and not get anything done here now would we?

Quote:
bottom line: if you want your opinion, evidence, photos, audio tapes, quotations from other sources, etc., to be taken seriously, you have to make the serious effort to show that what you've got is: 1) accurate; 2) compelling; 3) complete in detail; 4) supported by sources of information which have no personal stake in the outcome of your story; 5) supported by independent investigation which, using your info as a starting point, duplicates your results or conclusions.


Not in this biz. There are too many secrets and we're not selling a product. Believe it or not remoat, there are people that have seen a UFO first hand and there are people that have even been abducted so there are plenty of people out there who know the truth but cannot prove it to anyone because it's just too darn hard to do so. Nobody has to convince them of anything. They're minds are made up. Now, they are the ones most interested in this thread since it is close to their experience in their own personal life.

Because of that, you better believe that I'm going to seek and dig in every possible direction for any tid bit of information that could maybe lead us to more answers.

What we don't want are those that continue to argue the fact that we don't have all the facts, because we don't, we know this. Especially today since it was only yesterday that this came out. You're asking for the impossible in 24 hours.

This is our take on skepticism. Skepticism is the only thing we should have to deal with. Within skepticism we look for a lie, the truth and a possibility. We don't argue the points though, we just post our ideas and our thoughts.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=tips&action=display&num=1110310681

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you can believe anything and anyone you choose; but, to ask others to agree with your propsotion, your story has to be believable.. i dont see anything in this story by "isaac" that is necessarily believable or credible.


We aren't selling anything here remoat. People have their own ideas when they peer into a thread or look at a picture and that idea is based on their previous personal experiences. We are not influencing anyone's beliefs here.

Not a single, solitary member in this forum asked you to believe anything. You believe only what you want and nobody can make you believe something you don't want to.

Lastly, this is very off-topic for this thread so let's call it a day on this subject.




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 3:02pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 2:31pm, GForce wrote:
Sorry if I sound a bit tense folks. But I'm amazed that here we have some documents either real or fake to discuss. Which BTW none of us know for sure one way or the other on the authenticity. And debunkers are coming out of the woodwork to discredit them WITHOUT any facts. Its one thing to give a theory or opinion on them. But to critize without without a shread of evidence to back up a claim is ridiculous. If you want ME to believe these are fake than prove to me they are. Till then I will take them at face value! THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE!


I thoroughly agree and you know me. We allow healthy skepticism - always have and always will since without it we would never find the truth.

And, you know me even better when I say, we do not allow any form of debunking on any topic in this forum without 100% proof.

Speaking of which, I posted the SKEPTICISM thread a few posts above this one and here is the FACT or THEORY thread, which are our guidelines we like to follow.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=tips&num=1172077616&start=0
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 3:08pm

I just realized something that has been driving BJ and myself nuts lately. Our threads were losing their views and we didn't know why.

I just witnessed this take place on this thread. In doing so, I discovered that once a thread has had 3,000 views, it defaults back to zero.

I'm glad I finally figured that out. Now we have to figure out how to fix that with Conforums because they didn't know how that was happening either and it's only been happening more recently.

Observation - required for all facts.

6507 views 6:40 28
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by starsigndavid on Jun 27th, 2007, 3:22pm

The posting by Isaac and all your responses are utterly fascinating to me. Although I am well educated [B.A., J.D.], I am also smart enough to know what I don't know! While the Isaac disclosures have a ring of truth to me, at a gut level, I concede that I am a ripe target for a very creative hoaxer. A great deal of the technical information posted by you all is confusing to me, so I cannot judge these things.
The ONLY thing I know with certainty about UFOs is the sighting I has last year, which I have posted about on here. It was real; I was not drunk; the triangular, blue glowing object and its behavoir was something I cannot explain. Therefore, I am grateful for ANY information that becomes available for public scrutiny. At some point, somewhere, sometime, SOMETHING that comes out will be true. How will we know truth when it comes if we AUTOMATICALLY dismiss everything.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Latitude on Jun 27th, 2007, 3:28pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 3:02pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I thoroughly agree and you know me. We allow healthy skepticism - always have and always will since without it we would never find the truth.

And, you know me even better when I say, we do not allow any form of debunking on any topic in this forum without 100% proof.



Thanks to you and your forum for having that policy. I like to think I have an open mind with a proper amount of skepticism but feel the truth will never be proved if debunkers are allowed to indiscreetly throw their accusations around without any restraint. I think that because of the nature of this field and the biases that it must contend with, a certain amount of latitude must be given to the witnesses who come forward otherwise they never would. So call me gullible but I would rather be tricked by ten hoaxes then to falsely accuse a one legitimate witness.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by humanencounter on Jun 27th, 2007, 3:47pm

In photoshop on all the pages of text from Isaacs pics you can see a large T behind all the writing if you mess with the saturation. Anybody know what thats for? Is it tape?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 27th, 2007, 3:53pm

"One thing I don't get though is the cover sheet has three holes but the other pages don't. Any explanation?"

Those are not your typical notebook holes. They are a type of binding where metal "rivets" are used to hold the pages together. If you notice in some of the page scans you can see the adjacent page in the scan. The binder was laid flat for scanning, hence the "holes" are not visible because the binder is still intact.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 4:03pm

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Since Isaac put emphasis on NASA's Ames Research Center, it appears to me that he did so for an important reason. Consequenly, I've been staying on that thought while seeking.

The following map is ideal for the Silicon Valley. I typed Big Basin and I got the map, then I typed Ames Research Center and it was the same map, the pointer just moved up the page. From there I typed SETI Institute and found it to be only a mile further from Big Basin then Ames Research was. Point being, you can go into this map and type any city and any research company if you want to seek for associations and locations. Somewhat putting two and two together.

http://maps.google.com/maps?um=1&tab=wl&hl=en&q=Saratoga%20Summit

Within the County that contains the cities below, are the following places of interest.

SETI Institute
515 N. Whisman Road
Mountain View, CA 94043

SETI Institute
2035 Landings Dr
Mountain View, CA 94043

NASA Ames Research Center
Moffett Field, California 94035

Big Basin

As the crow flies, NASA Ames Research Center is 18 miles from Big Basin. Driving distance is 33.9 miles due to the mountainous twisties. Driving distance to Big Basin for SETI is about the same at 32.7 miles, through the same twisties.

I can see now why Isaac figured it might be a manmade drone made based off of alien artifacts since NASA Ames Research Center is terribly close to Big Basin and Big Basin would make for an ideal location to test such a thing.

Then again, the aliens could be doing it in Big Basin for that matter. These things nobody knows yet.

Also, if you want to put the cities in the back of your mind that thus far pertain to Isaac's comments, and are in the vicinity of Big Basin and Saratoga they are as follows below. These are always good when we're trying to match research companies, government, military and drones up with cities. All of these are Santa Clara County and all considered Silicon Valley.

Mountain View
Palo Alto
San Jose
Santa Clara
Saratoga
Sunnyvale

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 4:06pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 3:47pm, humanencounter wrote:
In photoshop on all the pages of text from Isaacs pics you can see a large T behind all the writing if you mess with the saturation. Anybody know what thats for? Is it tape?


humanencounter, the T, which may be a stationary watermark was mentioned on page 5,6, or 7 in this thread. A lot of theory but no answers as of yet.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 4:17pm



There are a lot of dead jpg's currently in this thread. They all belong to the UFO Casebook so BJ might be having difficulty at his end.

They'll be back soon enough, I'm sure. I hope undecided
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 4:32pm

Again, while researching Moffett Field - also mentioned by Isaac, I discovered a very interesting website about contamination on and around Moffett field.

Upon reading and viewing the maps where the contamination is located, Lockeed, NASA (Ames Research Center) and Teledyne are across the road from Moffett Field proper.

I'm a seeker so I'll always bring off the wall items into the thread that sometimes end up pertaining. Not always though.

Anyway, for your viewing pleasure - shocked - here's the NAS's contribution to their local resident's wells via the groundwater - but the real reason for this post is underlying as well.

[Dept of Toxic Substances Control.]

As well I found this address interesting. For the life of me, I can't figure out why the PCB's are mentioned last on the list.
http://www.envirostor.dtsc.ca.gov/public/profile_report.asp?global_id=43450007

However, at this address, courtesy of the California Department of Toxic Substances, they mention on the report that Site housed a landing approach guidance system. Site consisted of two areas; an area adjacent to Moffett Field, and a 5.5 acre low frequency homing beacon located on the Saratoga Summit.

http://www.envirostor.dtsc.ca.gov/public/profile_report.asp?global_id=80000787

This next one was real special too since the State of California mentions everyone in the area of said toxic waste, which included NASA, AMES Research, Lockheed and Moffett Field themselves - again. All in very close proximity to Saratoga of course.

http://www.envirostor.dtsc.ca.gov/public/profile_report.asp?global_id=43450003

The government can make the laws but they don't appear to follow them well themselves. The government funds those companies. I guess they figure if they fine them, that it would essentially come out of the government's pocket anyway since their funding them. Catch 22.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Kemuri on Jun 27th, 2007, 6:34pm

I don't know if it's just me but i find it a bit strange that it's been a while since the first photo of this craft and first a couple of months later someone tells their story.

But it was interesting reading and the locations Atrueoriginal posted is making it look like he is telling the thruth.
Personally i think some pictures might be fake but others genuine (reffering to the picture where a rod or w/e wasn't attached to the craft proberly).

To get back to the story, i think that the way it's written and the way he describes the different things is very thought through and he seems clear about the whole thing as a whole.
The describtion of the "language" made me 90% sure that he is telling the truth and also the "keep it silent or else" is also weighing in his favor.

To get my confusing post to my point smiley i think he is overall telling the truth as he expirienced it decades ago while working on that project.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED !!!
Post by j w wright on Jun 27th, 2007, 6:36pm

on Jun 26th, 2007, 11:23pm, Latitude wrote:
In that photo of the PAGD, personal anti-gravity device, it looks like one of the parts is floating in mid air!


both i-beam segments are, and held in place by the anti grav field, and positioned by the 'language' info embedded on them
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jugement on Jun 27th, 2007, 7:05pm

MARKM; part of the answer is in your post of the crop circle patern,s.MIND YOUR MIND FOR THE JEWEL,S of YOUR SOUL. cool
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 7:22pm

I did some closer examination of the parts photos. The following are some imperfections that lend credence to their legitimacy. There is certainly the possibility that these "artifacts" were dropped in for that purpose (if the images are entirely digital creations or it's a two step process), but as a graphics person, I don't think so. I have, throughout my life, seen hundreds of just such scientific photographs as well as having been present when such photos were taken (electromagnetic measuring devices, solar instruments, satellites, etc.). This would be how the shots were set up. Again, just an observation and an opinion on my part.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Miscreant on Jun 27th, 2007, 7:35pm

I hate to say it, but I've seen that font before.

It's a Star Wars alien font. Also mixed in is another alien font.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Bruska on Jun 27th, 2007, 7:48pm

The language has been discussed before. And I... hate to say it.... but only a couple of those Star Wars letters bears any resemblance to those in the evidence. And i'm sure there's plenty of Sci-Fi alphabets that have some symbol in the form of a 45 degree angle. Unless you see otherwise, I don't think somebody got this out of George Lucas' dumpster.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by j w wright on Jun 27th, 2007, 7:54pm

looks so much like Kana unicode to me, you can pick out entire 'words' from this character set:


304x ぁ あ ぃ い ぅ う ぇ え ぉ お か が き ぎ く
305x ぐ け げ こ ご さ ざ し じ す ず せ ぜ そ ぞ た
306x だ ち ぢ っ つ づ て で と ど な に ぬ ね の は
307x ば ぱ ひ び ぴ ふ ぶ ぷ へ べ ぺ ほ ぼ ぽ ま み
308x む め も ゃ や ゅ ゆ ょ よ ら り る れ ろ ゎ わ
309x ゐ ゑ を ん ゔ ゕ ゖ ゙ ゚ ゛ ゜ ゝ ゞ ゟ
30Ax ゠ ァ ア ィ イ ゥ ウ ェ エ ォ オ カ ガ キ ギ ク
30Bx グ ケ ゲ コ ゴ サ ザ シ ジ ス ズ セ ゼ ソ ゾ タ
30Cx ダ チ ヂ ッ ツ ヅ テ デ ト ド ナ ニ ヌ ネ ノ ハ
30Dx バ パ ヒ ビ ピ フ ブ プ ヘ ベ ペ ホ ボ ポ マ ミ
30Ex ム メ モ ャ ヤ ュ ユ ョ ヨ ラ リ ル レ ロ ヮ ワ
30Fx ヰ ヱ ヲ ン ヴ ヵ ヶ ヷ ヸ ヹ ヺ ・ ー ヽ ヾ ヿ

if it doesnt display properly, go here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kana#Kana_in_Unicode
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 8:50pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 6:34pm, Kemuri wrote:
I don't know if it's just me but i find it a bit strange that it's been a while since the first photo of this craft and first a couple of months later someone tells their story.


The first photo was May 8th, which would make it one day shy of 7 weeks.

You have to be Isaac to know why and when he did what he did. Before I begin, I do want to convey that I am not fantasy prone however when I'm done, this is exactly what it will look like. It's hard to avoid when you've asked someone to pretend to be someone else for a moment and visualize the following.

Pretend that you have the creme de' la creme of scientific infomation that was never to be shared while you were employed at the Palo Alto CARET Laboratory that was funded by the U.S. government and headed by a secretive facet of the U.S. government such as the DoD.

You know you're working in a secret installation on a secret project however, before or when you left your job, you removed a few papers and pictures as novelties proving the fact, if need be, that you had something in your possession that is basically top secret information. Ewww, how cool.

I think I would have done that too. shocked

However, he already knew that he was never to remove anything from the premises. That's a gimmie in that biz. So, right off the bat he has something he's not suppose to have in his possession.

Now, its 23 years later and your listening to George Noory on Coast to Coast continually talking about these drones. Considering your profession, you knew something about drones and decided to take a looksee on the Internet. Immediately you see something that you know everything about and you have proof of such in your own possession.

With pent up energy your first thought is, "I'll show them what I've got" and immediately that thought is followed with, "oh but no I can't, I'm not allowed to".

Your next move is to go into the basement to dig out the boxes of junk you kept from your old place of employment and dig that stuff out. You discover it and briefly review it again. You're excited after not seeing it for so many years hidden away from yourself amongst your personal belongings from yesteryear.

Can you picture all of this. I can and I wasn't even there. This is what I pictured as I read his thoughts from his letter he wrote to George Noory.

From that day forward, you sit there with your proof in your hand while you listen to George Noory and now it's just killing ya because you can't say anything to anybody but you have the darn proof in your profession.

He also had to have sat there and wondered why no one else he knew from work, hadn't come forward with this same information yet and so, "should I, he thought."

That struck me more then anything that he obviously had to think about the fact that there were others that he worked with that also had the same information but weren't coming forward. I am sure it bothered him for a while, which in turn slowed his decisions down.

What all of this does is manifest a tremendous yern inside. That yern was making him want to do it but he put it off for a little while longer and continued to think about it and the ramifications.

Over the weeks he was reading and listening about another drone and then again another drone and then another. By now, this is driving him absolutely nuts and it's just too much to take that he can't say anything to anyone about what it is he knows. Can you put yourself in his shoes yet?

After more time passed and a lot of contemplation on whether he should do it or not he decides to thoroughly read everything he has in his possession and only then remembers exactly why he was to remain tight-lipped.

He read the words, "since the sudden emergence of such radically advanced technology would undoubtedly yield destructive consequences, this employer recommends a strategy of incremental dissemination in which deliberately downgraded versions of the original technology are released over a period of years or decades to soften the impact of integration with existing infrastructures, in technological, economic and social terms. Out of breath just reading that last sentence.

Being a fairly intelligent individual as seen by his initial email to George Noory, he most certainly knows the damaging affects to an infrastructure and the economic consequences if this information was to get into mainstream technology. Us capitalist would run with it. His thoughts now are that this can't get into the wrong hands. However, his next thought is, "but it's been 23 years and there hasn't been anything released to the consumer yet in regard to this secretive alien technology so why can't I?"

Then he ponders a little more regarding his age and suddenly he finds justification for letting loose with what he had that everybody wanted but nobody was offering and instead decides to go for it. That's why it took him 7 weeks to do so.

Now he stated all of the above in a great sense if you were to re-read that email you would now see these things. The words weren't there but by reading what he did say, you could tell what he was thinking that he didnt' state.

I was just mentioning to another member that there are many out there just like him and they all have their own set of reasons as to why they care not to divulge what it is we want them to divulge. Whether we like it or not, it's their right. Forget the government for the moment, these are people who don't work for the government any longer and are comfortable in retirement and don't want a bunch of Ufologist upsetting their personal life.

One last thing. I don't know Isaac from Adam. lol A little funny - he, he. What I mean to say is that I don't have a clue as to who he is but, I know what he is doing at this exact moment.

He's releasing all of that pent up energy from the excitement of doing what it is he did and at the same time releasing tons of stress. Also at the same time he's still worried and questioning himself as to whether or not he did the right thing. As well, he's excited about everyone's comments and everything they have to say about what it is he handed over to us because at this very moment, Isaac is reading the UFO/alien oriented forums and I'm sure he's been in here today if not here right now.

Isn't that what you would be doing today if you were Isaac?

Sure, there are stories of some who have mysteriously died however those in question died before ever giving anyone what it was they had. I'm speaking of the conspiracy theories of Lear, Mack, and Schneider.

Isaac, don't worry. This has been done before and nothing happened to those people who fessed up. Just ask Stephen Greer about his infamous 400.

Does that answer your question Kemuri?

Oh, I do want to ask Isaac a question if he's reading. Why did you choose Isaac? You thought I was going to ask you for more info didn't you? That will be your decision, which now you have to think about. Do you really want to hang onto documentation that has not been released?






Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 9:05pm

Written languages share many common "design" elements. After all, there are only so many lines and line combinations, add circles, squiggles and such, and the combinations increase. But, the components remain similar.

As for fantasy and sci-fi fonts - what came first, the chicken or the egg? Where does inspiration come from? Ideas can be traced back to their inspiration. The Roswell I-beam is a good example, why not build an alien "language" around these mysterious - and reportedly alien - glyphs?

What we've collectively uncovered is similar symbolism reflected in everything from "make believe" alphabets to crop circles. Communication is strangely familiar in it's design. Every tree has its roots.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 9:13pm

We already did the Aurebesh, Kana, hiragana, katakana and the Star Trek thingy and then some. There were in all cases, just a small handful of similarities. The Auerbesh was way off because it's too course and too hard looking.

In the address there are something like 33 pages of drone posts that this is all stemming from. Within those pages are all of the above text and pictures similar to the ones you posted.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=reports&num=1179108769&start=0

Toward the end of that long thread is another similarity, which is Gregg Shorthand. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that these symbols are actually words done in some kind of shorthand of their own. It only makes sense.
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jugement on Jun 27th, 2007, 9:55pm

I can say that this person is telling to truth he confermed two things that I posted one of which I said was this but left part of it out and that was we may say we are ready to meet they allien,s can put up with what they do and remember president eisenhower in the first meeting with crab like et he ,eisenhower could not stomach their apearance so they sent back a more huminoid looking being to sign the treaty deal and or agreement with the alliens; now vision this you are standing on the corner and the aliens has been anouced to the world that they are here and will be meageling with us on a daily basis; now as you are just standing and this allien just grabs a human and start to eat him or her now what;but yet and still;Isaac wrote my experience with the caret program and extra- terrestrial technology; was a conformation of what I wrote acouple of weeks or less ago. to me I dont know other thn some one eales wrote we will never know for sure unless the alliens land one and jump out and say how do you like my ride yes we gave you all that design.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Latitude on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:06pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 8:50pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
You have to be Isaac to know why and when he did what he did.


Nice exercise, ATO. This is exactly what I do when my skeptical side kicks in. I relive the story putting myself into their shoes. Does it fit? Does it make sense from a human emotional standpoint?

To me almost all of the Isaac story rings true. He said he wanted to tell the story before he met his maker. I definitely can identify with that feeling. He's a God fearing man. He said he believes in humanity more than his previous bosses. That tells me that the PTB believe we can't handle the truth but Isaac believes we can. I hope we can. Maybe we don't care?

edit to add: Philip Corso did the same thing before he died, confessing the whole affair. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Corso
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:15pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 9:55pm, jugement wrote:
Isaac wrote my experience with the caret program and extra- terrestrial technology; was a confirmation of what I wrote acouple of weeks or less ago. to me I dont know other thn some one eales wrote we will never know for sure unless the alliens land one and jump out and say how do you like my ride yes we gave you all that design.


As for the second part of this post, jugement gets visions and had conveyed one earlier in the Big Basin thread some time back.

Jugement, can we safely assume that the first part of your post here is because you were told as a child not to watch so much television?
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by primaryconflict on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:48pm

I guess the biggest reason this whole mythology (of the drones and Isaac's story) "isn't" true is because the "engineering" schematics from Isaacs site appeared this evening on the HBO special on the making of the Transformers! Viral marketing at its best, and it appears to be working in this forum.

The story in the movie of the Transformers is apparently that us earthlings have a "device" of alien origin that we obtained that is very powerful and potentially very dangerous for us to have; and the two different factions of transformers, one good, and the other bad, both want it back! Hmm, gee, that appears to be the "device" that Isaac shows us in the pics!

I want to believe! wink


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Farmboy on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:54pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:06pm, Latitude wrote:
edit to add: Philip Corso did the same thing before he died, confessing the whole affair. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Corso


Also, note the radical difference between Corso and Isaac re ET intentions and US response. Corso states it was a state of war which "we" somehow won by fighting to a stalemate, while Isaac openly says 'forget fighting' it's a no brainer who would clean whose clock, and they're not interested in our little planet anyway.

Isaac's memory comes off more believable than Corso's ...unless there were several ET species being hosted the same time..!! Nevertheless, it's really hard to imagine post-WW2 fighter planes dogfighting with saucers that have just come from across the galaxy, or universe...kind of laughable. Just don't know...
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:01pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:54pm, Farmboy wrote:
Isaac's memory comes off more believable than Corso's


Yeah, I think he's more real if you know what I mean. And, I can't read any B.S. into what he writes. I can always smell that. lol And, I sensed nadda.

For that matter, same goes for Chad, Mr. Smith (Birmingham), the Tahoe lady and Rahjman. They all appeared to be straight up in their emails, which were numerous.

I can't really say that for Jenna and Stephen though on the last sighting. Something left a bad taste in my mouth but I couldn't really pin point it. The fact that she is a photographer by trade certainly had something to do with it but then again, photographers are notorious for shooting nature so to have a camera with you out there is not uncommon if your a photographer.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:08pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:48pm, primaryconflict wrote:
I guess the biggest reason this whole mythology (of the drones and Isaac's story) "isn't" true is because the "engineering" schematics from Isaacs site appeared this evening on the HBO special on the making of the Transformers! Viral marketing at its best, and it appears to be working in this forum.


As I've said before, if this is a hoax, kudos to the creator. Being one myself, I can appreciate the attention to detail and the flawless way it was executed. Bravo. The downside? Sure makes it hard to investigate these things.

Having said that - what should we have done? Ignored it? Like the boy who cried wolf sooner or later the real thing comes along.

We've all been picking this apart, examining every word, every detail. Regardless of the outcome, that's what an investigation is. if nothing else, this will have been a great exercise. Look at all we've learned. When all is said and done, I think we all deserve a pat on the back. Hoax or reality, we had to pay attention. Murphy's Law says the first time we blow off something questionable it will be the big one.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by spearcarrier on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:13pm

Okay. I've looked at it. I've given it my official eye. This is my reaction.

Is there NO level of technology beyond this one? Surely someone SOMEWHERE has advanced beyond this in the past several centuries. Even though this thing he showed seemed primitive.

Other than that, he talks square, he talks legitimately... but.... a bunch of chatter with the photos is not real proof.

Not saying he's a liar. Just that I need more convincing. I'm open to more from him, y'know? Like... although he says he got the pics and all... it's just that something is *missing* here.

*leaves the forum again*
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:19pm

Now what do we have to do. Verify the HBO thing because that poster didn't bring in anything either except words.

Googled it and nothing. Not an HBO watcher.

I'm wondering if it was similar to what he did. The posters words made it sound like it was his actual pictures.

The qualities of those pictures received are so poor, I can't imagine anyone using those to begin with.

Something funny there. I GOT IT BY GOLLIE, a brand new way to debunk and get away with it ROFL.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Luvey on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:37pm

Geez, while I am sleeping all you guys are posting, and I have so much reading to do when I come on……I have been sitting reading this thread for ages trying to catch up……

remoat wrote:
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well, i guess i missed the report of this story in time magazine, the new york times, the wall street journal, and all the cable news networks.. you mention its reported in many UFO websites and its all over the internet.. im sorry to disabuse you of a cherished notion, but UFO websites arent deemed reliable sources for significant news coverage..


Right from the first pictures that were of this strange craft some of us have asked this question. “why isn’t it on world news?” eg. CNN or in the newspapers. It would be more correct to ask who is stopping it from being on world news and why? Instead of saying that web sites are not deemed reliable sources for significant news coverage. If it wasn’t for UFO web sites (especially Casebook) keeping us informed we would all be in the dark ages on understanding what these UFO are.

Thanks ATO for all your hard work on keeping us informed. Its appreciated by many of us.

Luvey

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:41pm

ATO, I have a question - how many "one shot wonders" have we had over the past few days? By that I mean people who seem to have joined this forum specifically to "post and run" on this particular thread?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:46pm



Yeah weird huh? Maybe another forum coming in and messing with our heads. I can think of one forum that would do it purposely.

I think I counted 4 today.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Nephilim on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:49pm

The HBO Transformers [the making of] comes on again in a couple of hours. I'll watch it and see what that is about.

I blew it off earlier to watch KillBill grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:54pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:49pm, Nephilim wrote:
The HBO Transformers [the making of] comes on again in a couple of hours. I'll watch it and see what that is about.

I blew it off earlier to watch KillBill grin


Kewlness because you know what to look for.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by primaryconflict on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:06am

It's actually called "Transformers: HBO First Look". The "scene" where the schematics appear; they are shown briefly on a computer monitor (in the background) where the assorted crowd of scientists and "officials" appear to be discussing the "alien artifact" and the technology. Check it. It all makes perfect sense, all leading up to the movie.

I actually know there are aliens "out there" and that they are more than likely "already here", or have been. "Proof" to me would only help my cause of changing the way the bottom feeders of the planet think about the universe. However this whole drone thing, its too "made up" for me. We've got pictures that at first blush appear to be very "revealing" yet after some time you realize that there isn't actually anything there. When you zoom close enough with a photo editor to start making out some detail, it disappears into a compression artifact blur. The same goes with the "Isaac Documents". I'm an engineer by trade, at first it appears there's something technical here, the technical wording is "that good" (like any other technical document I've read in my life), however after a bit of further reading you begin to realize, the words are saying anything at all. In fact, there's more info in Isaac's actual post than in those document pages. Too fishy for me. And then...the Transformers. Well, that about wrapped it up for me.

I believe. smiley
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by PawnSacrifice on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:25am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:06am, primaryconflict wrote:
It's actually called "Transformers: HBO First Look". The "scene" where the schematics appear; they are shown briefly on a computer monitor (in the background) where the assorted crowd of scientists and "officials" appear to be discussing the "alien artifact" and the technology. Check it. It all makes perfect sense, all leading up to the movie


I'm a very keen ufology enthusiast and have been for over 10 years. I've been following this from the beginning. I'm still keeping an open mind but to say this has to do with the new Transformers movie...there are much more effective, simpler, and a hell of a lot easier ways to do something like that.

I await Atrueoriginalls view from the HBO viewing.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by m801 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:35am

well, imo the launguage depicted is a mixture of Japanese characters, except that the pictures have been reversed, mirror-image style. Take a look at some of the character set graphics on Answers.com. a mirror, and the pixs of the glyphs on those bearing races or curved I beams . . . the resemblance is just too close to be non-terran.

I want to believe, but - so far there just isn't enough to go on.

respectfully, m801
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by BoyFromTheDwarf on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:42am

Just a little something I noticed, but not sure where it fits in...

His choice of name he is hiding behind. I think he could be an Isaac Asimov book reader...

I chose my screenname BoyFromTheDwarf because I watch the TV show RedDwarf. One of the phrases used is "Boys from the dwarf" to represent the a group of friends on RedDwarf. Since I am only 1 person, I go with BoyFromTheDwarf...

Like I said, don't know where that fits in... Just something I noticed and could be something to think about when choosing his fate in our analysis! LOL
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Luvey on Jun 28th, 2007, 01:12am

BFTD

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His choice of name he is hiding behind. I think he could be an Isaac Asimov book reader...


You could be right...... I have Isaac Asimov's Chronology of the World (The history of the world from the big bang to modern times) sitting on the desk right in front of me now.

Or it could be after Isaac Newton...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton
Sir Isaac Newton (4 January 1643 – 31 March 1727) [ OS: 25 December 1642 – 20 March 1726][1] was an English physicist, mathematician, astronomer, natural philosopher, and alchemist, regarded by many as the greatest figure in the history of science.[2] His treatise Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica, published in 1687, described universal gravitation and the three laws of motion, laying the groundwork for classical mechanics. By demonstrating consistency between Kepler's laws of planetary motion and this system, he was the first to show that the motion of objects on Earth and of celestial bodies are governed by the same set of natural laws. The unifying and predictive power of his laws was central to the scientific revolution, the advancement of heliocentrism, and the broader acceptance of the notion that rational investigation can reveal the inner workings of nature.


PS

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I await Atrueoriginalls view from the HBO viewing.


Me too.

Luvey
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by OnlookerDelay on Jun 28th, 2007, 01:20am

I had pretty much written off the "strange drone craft" as a Photoshop hoax after reading the analysis of serveral well-versed pixel people (as Art calls them). This opens the door again for further scrutiny. Whether it's for real or a hoax, it's a fascinating story. I find it hard to believe that a hoaxer would go to this much trouble to further the story. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I know I don't have anywhere near the ambition and drive it would take to pull this off.

ATO, you're doing a great service with keeping the information knitted together in this thread. My antenna is definitely tuned in to this one!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 01:53am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:48pm, primaryconflict wrote:
I guess the biggest reason this whole mythology (of the drones and Isaac's story) "isn't" true is because the "engineering" schematics from Isaacs site appeared this evening on the HBO special



Sorry to bring this up...was EarthFiles partner to this apparent hoax? Didn't they have all the first releases and kept everything mum's the word. And Streiber! He really went all out when it appeared this was real. Anyone else come to mind? Is there $ at play for keeping quiet? Hear what i'm saying....i am not apologizing anymore for sarcasm....seems it might be justified.

Anyway, it's been real...learned a lot of stuff...defense industry....fotoshop stuff. Personally, gained much but what a missed potential!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by LangLee on Jun 28th, 2007, 02:00am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 7:35pm, Miscreant wrote:
I hate to say it, but I've seen that font before.

It's a Star Wars alien font. Also mixed in is another alien font.

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Don't think so, close but just not there.
I'm sure if you dig deep enough you'll come up with the exact symbols as shown in the Isaac photos compiled from many different sources.
If you want a comparison take a look at the rings on the craft and the rings in the copies, those pieces are much closer than your Stars Wars fonts.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Nephilim on Jun 28th, 2007, 05:02am

I just watched the HBO special concerning Transformers.

I saw nothing that has to do with this thread or the strange craft.

They did speak a little about the plot; alien robots come to Earth and search for some kind of device, it then pops to a robot picking up something, then it shows a cube like that of the Star Trek Borg just for a split second. That was it as far as I saw. I saw nothing that relates to the descritption given as far as language dialect or the strange craft's mechanisms on any computer screen.

I frankly do not know what that poster was refering to.

I tell you what though, it will be very clear on July 3-4th. That is when the Transformers movie hits the theater.

I looked at all the transformers google videos I could find...nothing.

I grew up on Transformers, so obviously I'm going to go see it. Until then, my opinion is these two subjects are not related.

I will view that show HBO show again, but I looked hard for it the whole way through, it is 5am here now though, it is possible I missed it but I don't think so.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 06:16am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 05:02am, Nephilim wrote:
I just watched the HBO special concerning Transformers. I saw nothing that has to do with this thread or the strange craft. I saw nothing that relates to the description given as far as language dialect or the strange craft's mechanisms on any computer screen. I frankly do not know what that poster was refering to.


What Nephilim is referring to is actually something many of us researched for a few weeks back during the initial Chad, Tahoe and Capitola drone.

The following is a poster's comment yesterday.

on Jun 27th, 2007, 10:48pm, primaryconflict wrote:
I guess the biggest reason this whole mythology (of the drones and Isaac's story) "isn't" true is because the "engineering" schematics from Isaacs site appeared this evening on the HBO special on the making of the Transformers! Viral marketing at its best, and it appears to be working in this forum.


What do you suppose the poster saw that you did not see Nephilim because the comments are quite blatant. You were both watching the same HBO special on the making of the Transformers, right?

Thanks for all of that Nephilim. I couldn't imagine it to be much more then what we already knew since we had spent so much time researching the new Transformer movie and images and I really didn't want to dig through those 33 pages for those posts.

So, onward and upward but here we sit again just like we did after Chad, Tahoe, Capitola, Birmingham and Big Basin. Waiting, but waiting for what?

This is the same problem again as with the others, unless something gives it all begins to instill those feelings in all of us that a viral marketing campaign scenario could still be a possibility - at least we can dismiss the Transformers movie and the new Halo3 game now.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 06:42am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 01:53am, Farmboy wrote:
Sorry to bring this up...was EarthFiles partner to this apparent hoax? Didn't they have all the first releases and kept everything mum's the word. And Streiber! He really went all out when it appeared this was real. Anyone else come to mind? Is there $ at play for keeping quiet? Hear what i'm saying....i am not apologizing anymore for sarcasm....seems it might be justified.

Anyway, it's been real...learned a lot of stuff...defense industry....fotoshop stuff. Personally, gained much but what a missed potential!


Coast to Coast was the only website that Isaac notified. Earthfiles, like ourselves picked it up from there as did Whitney.

You do know now Farmboy that the poster was incorrect about the HBO spot on the making of the movie Transformer's.

See how just one statement can change the light on the picture we're trying to piece together. Nephilim watched the same HBO special and saw nothing like the other poster described.




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 06:58am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 11:01pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Yeah, I think Isaac's more real if you know what I mean. And, I can't read any B.S. into what he writes. I can always smell that. lol And, I sensed nadda.

For that matter, same goes for Chad, Mr. Smith (Birmingham), the Tahoe lady and Rahjman. They all appeared to be straight up in their emails, which were numerous.

I can't really say that for Jenna and Stephen though on the last sighting. Something left a bad taste in my mouth but I couldn't really pin point it. The fact that she is a photographer by trade certainly had something to do with it but then again, photographers are notorious for shooting nature so to have a camera with you out there is not uncommon if your a photographer.


I'm quoting myself here for good reason. I read thoroughly all of the many emails presented by those mentioned above that were delivered to Coast to Coast, Earthfiles and ourselves.

I understand the nature of an individual based on the words they use when they write. I can build upon such statements a personality and their traits. What I cannot do without that individual standing in front of me speaking is uncover a professional liar. Not by email anyway.

Outside of the drones being exactly what they are and the new information from Isaac being what it is as well, the only other possibility is described in what follows.

Professional liars. "These are the hardest to identify," Mazzarella says. "They don’t lie indiscriminately, like the habitual liar. They lie for a purpose." These are people like the mechanic who routinely cons motorists about their faulty transmissions, or the realtor who explains that ceiling stains are the result of "old damage from a water leak in the attic," as opposed to a leaky roof. Professional liars have thought their lies through and know exactly what they’re going to say and when. Because the lie has been practiced so often, it will not be revealed by the liar’s voice, body language or appearance. The only way to catch professional liars is by checking their statements against an independent source."

This is not to be confused with a habitual liar or a pathological liar since they are completely different and tremendously easy to peg.

Like myself, if you're interested in such things visit this website where they define the "liar" quite nicely.

http://www.geocities.com/changes1611//sins22lies5c



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 07:09am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 01:20am, OnlookerDelay wrote:
I had pretty much written of the "strange drone craft" as a Photoshop hoax after reading the analysis of serveral well-versed pixel people (as Art calls them). This opens the door again for further scrutiny. Whether it's for real or a hoax, it's a fascinating story. I find it hard to believe that a hoaxer would go to this much trouble to further the story. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I know I don't have anywhere near the ambition and drive it would take to pull this off.


Well look what the cat drug in. grin grin

I was just thinking about you yesterday while opening up my email. I received an email from our friend Neil Steinberg from the Chicago Sun Times. You remember, the one who wrote the article UFOs Are In Your Dreams, Keep Them There!

I sent him a copy of the Coast to Coast report on this Isaac activity with a comment that one of these days he's going to eat crow.

His response was, "I shudder to think of all the money you've lost to Nigerian bank scams. Thanks for writing. Neil Steinberg.

Some things never change I guess. rolleyes

Glad to see you again.

.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by WT on Jun 28th, 2007, 07:50am

Any news about that http://www.27.com/ site?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 08:02am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 07:50am, WT wrote:
Any news about that http://www.27.com/ site?


A little more popped up. Go to these two pages.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182283823

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&num=1179108769&action=display&start=390

But more importantly................

This might interest those who found the Halo3, Bungie association with the Big Basin drone interesting.

I figured this out today (I wrote this over a week ago and today is 6/28) while visiting various UFO/alien forums and websites and wrote the following email to BJ.

BJ: I think I figured out the HALO3 thing. They aren't dummies certainly but to involve themselves with the Chad and Big Basin thing while using your article to do so produced a tremendous amount advertising via Google. Here's how they did it...

Just like the small adds on the top of your forum, they pop up according to various words that are typed somewhere within that page.

Well, if you were to go into the websites or forums that are talking about HALO3 w/Chad, Big Basin and Bungie, etc. (which are the more numerous pages in UFO forums today), at the top or bottom of each of those pages are ads by Google that look like this.

Ads by Google: Bungie Halo 2 Xbox Halo 3 Halo 2 the Xbox Game Halo II

So, just talking about the Halo3's associations with Big Basin, ect. in the various websites and forums is prompting all this advertising for them. UFO's and aliens happen to be a very popular subject for gamers. Consequently, the team at Halo aint no dummies. lol



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 08:06am

So what's the official word on the HBO snippet? False information? If so, good. I hope to hear more from this Isaac character. Otherwise, it could always be Bungie, so I'm going to begin another day of investigations...
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 08:26am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 08:06am, jlc767 wrote:
So what's the official word on the HBO snippet? False information? If so, good. I hope to hear more from this Isaac character. Otherwise, it could always be Bungie, so I'm going to begin another day of investigations...


No, it doesn't appear to be either. The answers are right above your post on this same page.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 08:40am

I haven't seen the HBO image that's being referenced so I can't comment on that. What the poster did accomplish - which is a feat in itself - was get me to visit Transformer fan sites, movie script information sites, comic book tie ins and lots of images! The last time I had any interest in Transformers was over a decade ago when my sons blackmailed me into buying an entire fleet of the 5" versions. So, perhaps that was the motivation behind the post, lots of UFO folks checking out everything Transformer. From the advance reviews I read on the movie, it might need the help.

I would like to share one thing that I feel is extremely important: however this shakes out and regardless of our differences of opinion here, NOBODY rolled over and bought it flat out. Every one of us questioned it, right from the beginning. There was no rejoicing in the streets from the UFO community. If this was the goal of a hoaxer, the "drama in the streets" that they hoped to create, they failed. What they got was the same scrutiny that any such claim would get. In addition, as far as I can tell, they got no publicity outside of this community. If the purpose was to generate widespread mainstream publicity for a product (movie or game), it was money wasted.

Here's to another day of adventure.


NOTE: Linda Moulton Howe will be on Coast to Coast AM Thursday, June 28 from 10 to 11 pm Pacific time talking about the mystery of the drones.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 08:43am

Quote:
NOTE: Linda Moulton Howe will be on Coast to Coast AM Thursday, June 28 from 10 to 11 pm Pacific time talking about the mystery of the drones.


Oh, hell yes! Thanks for the heads-up!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by mimimi on Jun 28th, 2007, 08:45am

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-lang-analysis-p123-fullsize.jpg

take a look at the stapling holes on the left.
they are black. right?

take a look at the edge of the paper, you can clearly see it on the left. whats outside the scanned paper? a white background.

then, how come the stapling holes are black then?

to obtain black holes you need to keep the copy machine with its cover opened while scanning.
but if the cover is opened, then, everything outside the paper should be black. you cant have both in the same time unless you really want that effect.

its a hoax.




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:03am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 08:45am, mimimi wrote:
take a look at the stapling holes on the left.
they are black. right?
take a look at the edge of the paper, you can clearly see it on the left. whats outside the scanned paper? a white background.
then, how come the stapling holes are black then?
to obtain black holes you need to keep the copy machine with its cover opened while scanning.
but if the cover is opened, then, everything outside the paper should be black. you cant have both in the same time unless you really want that effect.
its a hoax.


Debunked over something so explainable and yet so trivial.

I'm not going to break my brain but it's simply a matter of making a copy of a copy.

He purposely blacked out text on some of the report. Do you think he blacked it out without making a copy first so that he would still have that text in his possession? Of course he would have. He's probably got plenty of copies.

Not to mention, this also depends on what kind of copier he is using. If he's using a copier in a library (book copier), he could very easily have black holes and no black on the outsides since there is no paper where the hole is and instead shows black, but a copier that accepts an open book or manuscript will not produce the black outsides. It might if your paper is legal and your manuscript page is 8.5x11.

Lastly, if look at all of the original pictures (and not the ones I posted on page one that I cropped to death) you can plainly see black protruding somewhat on the edges.



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by OnlookerDelay on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:04am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 08:45am, mimimi wrote:
http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-lang-analysis-p123-fullsize.jpg

take a look at the stapling holes on the left.
they are black. right?


I get a blank page when I click on that link. I'll have to do some head-scratching once I get it to display to follow your line of reasoning though... I'm not much of an imaging, fax, copier geek.

BTW, I won't be disappointed to learn that this is a hoax. I'm just as interested in this as I was the John Titor strory, and I was more sure that it was a hoax from the get-go. That didn't keep it from being an interesting ride though.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:06am

mimimi, I see that you just registered yesterday. Will this be your only post, or can we expect more?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:07am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:04am, OnlookerDelay wrote:
I get a blank page when I click on that link. I'll have to do some head-scratching once I get it to display to follow your line of reasoning though... I'm not much of an imaging, fax, copier geek.


You can't get into that sight that way. You have to go through his website.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:08am

Nice, ATO.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Luvey on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:09am

Quote:
take a look at the stapling holes on the left.
they are black. right?

take a look at the edge of the paper, you can clearly see it on the left. whats outside the scanned paper? a white background.

then, how come the stapling holes are black then?

to obtain black holes you need to keep the copy machine with its cover opened while scanning.
but if the cover is opened, then, everything outside the paper should be black. you cant have both in the same time unless you really want that effect.

its a hoax.


I worked for 30 years in offices and also for a newspaper, and staple holes always come out black when the lid is down while photocopying.

Luvey
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:11am



That's right Luvy, plus the background on the lid (the soft pad attached to the inside of the lid) can be dark grey even, which would make black holes.

This is sillyness, lets go on. lol
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by OnlookerDelay on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:11am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 07:09am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I received an email from our friend Neil Steinberg from the Chicago Sun Times. You remember, the one who wrote the article UFOs Are In Your Dreams, Keep Them There!

I sent him a copy of the Coast to Coast report on this Isaac activity with a comment that one of these days he's going to eat crow.

His response was, "I shudder to think of all the money you've lost to Nigerian bank scams. Thanks for writing. Neil Steinberg.


Grrrrrr..... smug arrogance like that really chaps my derrier! He's still firmly entrenched in his delusional perch, or so it sounds!

Quote:
Glad to see you again.
.


I'm trying to get my UFO legs back after a hiatus. This episode is helping, but not for the more conventional reasons that UFOs usually interest me. This is the best discussion I've seen going on the drone craft on the net. ATS's discussion is good, but it's not nearly as scholarly as what's assembled here!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:41am

ato I know that televison tell lies to your vison and mind; been since you have the for most athourity on thease subjects and are so sceptical about what every one ealse write and finds it so amuzing you make we wander are you for real or are you here for to let me or every one know that you are the queen dictator for the alliens cause I would realy like to know were you get your imfor mation from other than national geo other internet web site, sor directly from what you read from the post of others on this forum and you rewrite them into your own word,s and are you sure about anything because you are all ways the first to quote or come up with evry thing as a hoax or disproving or have a better idea than the first of one or the next; simply put are you working for the goverment to make us think we have seen swap gas from venus or a weather bollon? the drone is real it is of et origin and is a final clue to what the alliens are here for and not to confuse or try like you they have sent a clear siginal just step by step as to what is and has happend and now we are in the final stages that this earth is over and they are here to save a selected few and the rest are left to fend for them selves now finaly all that imfo that you seem to have to should be able to constuct a ufo off the top of your head without insident now I am waiting to see you build. have a nice day. grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:47am

Hello there. I stumbled onto this forum via some mundane internet task yesterday and all I can say is that from that point on my day at the office was completely shot! You guys have really sucked me in.

Anyway, I've read the whole forum but can't recall this: has anyone contacted (Xerox) PARC? I know Isaac didn't actually work for them, but he mentions working with others who did, so there might be somewhat of a lead possibility there. I was actually in the middle of an email to them when it occurred to me that I ought to double check here first.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:53am

5150,

Yeah, the same thing happened to me yesterday. The news broke, the forums heated up and a lot of work didn't get done. Love it !
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:01am

I'm a believer in UFOs but a doubter in most evidence...I guess that's healthy, but this Isaac story is really intriuging and seems to have no real "hoax motive". The only disingenuous motive I see here would be the viral marketing scheme that's been mentioned. One thing's for sure, hoax or not, whoever Isaac is he's an excellent writer. I guess I'll just contact PARC anyway...no doubt they're email servers are disintegrating thanks to this story breaking...haha.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by spiffy on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:01am

I have to second 5150 on the whole getting-sucked-in matter. The amount of time I've spent on this board the past few days is ridiculous.

That said, I increasingly think this is probably, unfortunately, a hoax. A hoax in the form of some kind of viral marketing campaign, cleverly crafted and conceived by smart, creative people with access to professionals with the skills to create the Issac images and text (and the Chad images and such, natch). There are too many similarities and coincidences beginning to emerge -- or at the very least hints and intimations thereof -- that suggest this is a very skillfully done, nearly flawlessly executed marketing tie-in of some sort. Halo or Transformers? Take your pick at this point, I guess.

And yes, I'll be disappointed when the truth of that is finally and unquestionably revealed by the source, but mostly I'll be just plain impressed. I mean, I'm not a believer -- or even much of a "want to believe"-r, and for a little while there they totally had me transfixed. That's good business, good advertising, no?


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:05am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:47am, 5150 wrote:
Hello there. I stumbled onto this forum via some mundane internet task yesterday and all I can say is that from that point on my day at the office was completely shot! You guys have really sucked me in.

Anyway, I've read the whole forum but can't recall this: has anyone contacted (Xerox) PARC? I know Isaac didn't actually work for them, but he mentions working with others who did, so there might be somewhat of a lead possibility there. I was actually in the middle of an email to them when it occurred to me that I ought to double check here first.


That interested me too because even though Xerox was in close proximity to his work, how did he know them - more then one for that matter since he used a plural and then I discovered this, which was taking place in the year 1985 when Isaac worked for CARET.

PARC History
1985
Quote:
Xerox spins out Microlytics to commercialize PARC's early compression technology research by bringing artificial intelligence spell-checking software, linguistic and data compression technologies to market. Based on an understanding of the deep structure and mathematical properties of language, linguistic compression technology is used for visual recall, intelligent retrieval and data compression. This work has a major impact on the automatic processing of language structures and is one of the key research areas underpinning Xerox's multilingual suite of products.


So the above definition for the highlights for that year that Xerox chose to post in their history website is the same profession Isaac was in. I imagine he probably even considered working for them as well at some point.

Of course I also considered what products Xerox could have been making if they had direct associations with CARET, which is how Isaac could have made friends, and I found the following. You will have to figure things out for yourself since we can only guess.

Keep in mind that putting new technology into the flow of commerce was the intention of CARET as stated by Isaac. With neighboring company XEROX sitting right there nearby, who is to say what could have transacted.

http://www.parc.com/about/history/default.html


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by mimimi on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:09am

there is simply not enough information contained on these schemes. no matter how you could interpret the blueprints, it is not enough information in them to program anything bigger than a fairly small script.

im a designer, im used with intricate shapes and patterns and i know how to do them in illustrator. the work is well done, the author wasnt lazy. if he cloned a lot, he surely modified the cloned objects. anyway, it does not look alien to me, either way you take it.

the text is very romantic so to speak, the guy talks more about the background, the history, the feelings, etc, than the actual alien artifacts or technology. not to mention some childish james bond techniques of hiding papers in the pants, oh cmon!

while i want to believe these things exist,
when they will appear, for sure, it will be beyond a shadow of a doubt and not on one obscure page on the internet.

if one guy has real proof, why not make 100 copies, put them inside 100 envelopes and send a copy to each of the biggest earth publications. ofc, anonimously. if you really want to share and reveal the truth about the gov or the army and hit the fan, why not do it properly? why set up a dubious webpage? do you think its more secure that way?

yes. its my first post, 2nd this one.
i dont like to spend a lot of time on forums.

but from time to time i see something and i need to say something




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by spiffy on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:09am

Oh and also: could the large "T" background image seen in the Isaac documents possibly stand for, ahem, Transformers?

Just sayin', you know?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:13am

I'd like to say "Hi" to the newer contributers here - I hope you stick around, there's some great sleuthing going on. We need all the brain power we can get when something like this comes along!

Yup, so far it's been a great ride - hope the landing isn't anti-climactic smiley.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:13am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 09:41am, jugement wrote:
since you have the for most athourity on thease subjects and are so sceptical about what every one ealse write and finds it so amuzing you make we wander are you for real or are you here for to let me or every one know that you are the queen dictator for the alliens


No jugement, just a moderator doing my job. Not a queen dictator, but I use to take dictation. Does that count.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:18am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:09am, mimimi wrote:
there is simply not enough information contained on these schemes. no matter how you could interpret the blueprints, it is not enough information in them to program anything bigger than a fairly small script.

im a designer, im used with intricate shapes and patterns and i know how to do them in illustrator. the work is well done, the author wasnt lazy. if he cloned a lot, he surely modified the cloned objects. anyway, it does not look alien to me, either way you take it.

the text is very romantic so to speak, the guy talks more about the background, the history, the feelings, etc, than the actual alien artifacts or technology. not to mention some childish james bond techniques of hiding papers in the pants, oh cmon!

while i want to believe these things exist,
when they will appear, for sure, it will be beyond a shadow of a doubt and not on one obscure page on the internet.

if one guy has real proof, why not make 100 copies, put them inside 100 envelopes and send a copy to each of the biggest earth publications. ofc, anonimously. if you really want to share and reveal the truth about the gov or the army and hit the fan, why not do it properly? why set up a dubious webpage? do you think its more secure that way?

yes. its my first post, 2nd this one.
i dont like to spend a lot of time on forums.

but from time to time i see something and i need to say something





You've sort of hit on my main cause for doubt, and that is that this machine is almost too "cool" looking. It really represents a very modern approach to what designers and special effects people are doing now days, and yet this thing is supposedly from the 1980's... That's one thing that is consistent in hoaxes - the design of the hoax fits expectations of what people at the time consider to look "high tech".
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by GForce on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:19am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:01am, spiffy wrote:
That said, I increasingly think this is probably, unfortunately, a hoax. A hoax in the form of some kind of viral marketing campaign, cleverly crafted and conceived by smart, creative people with access to professionals with the skills to create the Issac images and text (and the Chad images and such, natch). There are too many similarities and coincidences beginning to emerge -- or at the very least hints and intimations thereof -- that suggest this is a very skillfully done, nearly flawlessly executed marketing tie-in of some sort. Halo or Transformers? Take your pick at this point, I guess.


I don't know if it's a hoax or not. But I seriously doubt it's a marketing ploy. If it was then having only UFO forums following it they'd never be able to recoup the money they spent on marketing. This forum has 6000 or so members. Of that I doubt this thread or the news of this object is going to drive anyone to see the movie who already hasn't planned to see it. Same with Halo 3. People will be lined up to buy the game when it comes out. If this is a hoax to market either the movie or game then I'm sure those who worked on it didn't do it for free. Yes I know there's other UFO related forums but even with that it's a poor way to drum up business. When you consider most of those who want to see the movie are either kids or people who are into Sci-Fi. I doubt there's many members here who had not planned to see the movie suddenly have a change of heart because of this topic. I haven't!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:20am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:09am, mimimi wrote:
if one guy has real proof, why not make 100 copies, put them inside 100 envelopes and send a copy to each of the biggest earth publications. ofc, anonimously. if you really want to share and reveal the truth about the gov or the army and hit the fan, why not do it properly?


I think he wanted to be a part of it but not a player. By mailing out 100 envelopes in various directions he wouldn't be a part of it. Instead, he went to Coast to Coast who he mentioned he listened to since 2002 and it was also where he heard about the Chad/Tahoe/Capitola/Birmingham/Big Basin drones.

.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:21am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:19am, GForce wrote:
I don't know if it's a hoax or not. But I seriously doubt it's a marketing ploy. If it was then having only UFO forums following it they'd never be able to recoup the money they spent on marketing. This forum has 6000 or so members. Of that I doubt this thread or the news of this object is going to drive anyone to see the movie who already hasn't planned to see it. Same with Halo 3. People will be lined up to buy the game when it comes out. If this is a hoax to market either the movie or game then I'm sure those who worked on it didn't do it for free. Yes I know there's other UFO related forums but even with that it's a poor way to drum up business. When you consider most of those who want to see the movie are either kids or people who are into Sci-Fi. I doubt there's many member here who had not planned to see the movie suddenly have a change of heart because of this topic. I haven't!

You're right about the marketing scheme - although there's a lot of UFOers out there, I don't think there's enough actively involved to generate a reasonable return on investment for something like this...
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:22am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:20am, Andyp wrote:


Andy, we've already done that at the following address.

For those of you have haven't read the first 33 pages, please do so at the following address as to keep from duplicating previous conversations in this thread. Instead, quote from that thread. This thread is only a continuation of the 33 page thread located below.

Chad/ Big Basin/Tahoe/Capitola/Birmingham drones
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=reports&num=1179108769&start=0


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:26am

I am human and I am prone to misstakes and will make plenty more yet I am for one that seek perfection I dont claim to already have it like you do.you are very questionable like I said the drone is real before I ever herd anything about an Isaac he and others that are 100%sure just confirmed what I know to be true besides it want be the first time Ihave been wrong nor the last her on earth show me any thing that ,s man or woman made iswithout flaw. grin NO LISTEN TO BJ <IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT SOME ONE EALSE POST YOU DONT HAVE TO POST BEHIND THEM.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrkDrgn on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:29am

This story could be very true. But anytime you want to stay out of the picture you must leave out details. Even if you lie about things those in the know can back track the lie and figure you out.
I just hope this guy is telling the truth. I also would like him to get his butt to disclosure project where they can help protect him.
I did find out yesterday that what he is saying about the symbols on the craft are very true.
It has been brought to my attention these symbols were on the craft that crashed 40 miles north of Roswell NM The symbols you have seen on TV are not the symbols actually found on the Roswell craft. The real symbols match those on the strange object in question. So no. I am not trying to debunk this at all and I have 30 group members working on this 24 -7
I should know more today or at least by Saturday.
I was pointing out he should have never talked about hisself at all if he wanted to stay behind the scenes.
This man is in danger I feel and I hope he gets to those who can protect him, and get his evidence duplicated and out in public view. This is huge the way it is comming together.
Remember I am not saying this story is real. But also the symbols like I said do match those on a recovered disk found 40 miles from Roswell.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by spiffy on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:35am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:21am, 5150 wrote:
You're right about the marketing scheme - although there's a lot of UFOers out there, I don't think there's enough actively involved to generate a reasonable return on investment for something like this...


Okay, but how much investment would actually be involved? Other than the creation of the actual documents and images (which would be, it seems, fairly easy and inexpensive to do for a small group of professionals paid by a studio or software company), the whole project is fairly low-tech and low-cost. Isaac's material is up on a free host. Everything has been disseminated through Coast to Coast, for free. It seems a small initial investment for a fairly big word-of-mouth payoff -- this "campaign" has spread far beyond UFO boards, my friends. I found it because its all over the internet -- and I in no way seek this kind of stuff out.

And honestly, I for one will be, as I said before, fairly impressed if it does turn out to be a marketing campaign. Though I don't like being fooled, I can appreciate what a smart move it was on their part in terms of getting people's minds focused on the subject of Aliens and UFOs and extraterrestrial technology prior to the release of their product. The simple fact that I am here with all of you debating the subject and reading all I can about it is evidence that their scheme worked.

Again, would I rather it were true? Hell yeah. I mean, how cool would that be? But after reviewing everything out there I can get my hands (err, eyes?) on about this, do I actually think it holds up to scrutiny? Sorry, but no. sad

Oh and Hi MarkM, and everybody. Y'all seem like good people.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:38am

Hey darkdragon the writing is non other than a modified wring of Hieroglyphics if not the ezact same. lipsrsealed
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:38am

One thing that keeps coming to mind as well is that next weekend is the 60th anniversary of the Roswell crash (and all the hoopla that will surround it). I wonder if this event might offer an opportunity to introduce this new craft, provided someone shares this info with a sharp (and daring) reporter. Provided, that is, that the mystery remains next weekend!

On a side note, some of our members are from other counties and I think what might - at first glance - look like lazy typing or poor English, is the real reason behind their writing "style". Just a thought smiley.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:40am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:35am, spiffy wrote:
Okay, but how much investment would actually be involved? Other than the creation of the actual documents and images (which would be, it seems, fairly easy and inexpensive to do for a small group of professionals paid by a studio or software company), the whole project is fairly low-tech and low-cost. Isaac's material is up on a free host. Everything has been disseminated through Coast to Coast, for free. It seems a small initial investment for a fairly big word-of-mouth payoff -- this "campaign" has spread far beyond UFO boards, my friends. I found it because its all over the internet -- and I in no way seek this kind of stuff out.

And honestly, I for one will be, as I said before, fairly impressed if it does turn out to be a marketing campaign. Though I don't like being fooled, I can appreciate what a smart move it was on their part in terms of getting people's minds focused on the subject of Aliens and UFOs and extraterrestrial technology prior to the release of their product. The simple fact that I am here with all of you debating the subject and reading all I can about it is evidence that their scheme worked.

Again, would I rather it were true? Hell yeah. I mean, how cool would that be? But after reviewing everything out there I can get my hands (err, eyes?) on about this, do I actually think it holds up to scrutiny? Sorry, but no. sad

Oh and Hi MarkM, and everybody. Y'all seem like good people.


If we're talking about marketing for Transformers, then I don't see why any cost, either low or high, would matter. Do they really need to bother with something like this to build up hype for the movie? Seems like a waste of time and energy for a sure blockbuster.

Interestingly enough, if not for other people in this forum stating that it's a Transformers ploy I NEVER would have thought of that connection...maybe those who brought it up are part of the scheme...haha!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:42am

At any rate, I just emailed PARC...probably a waste of time, but what the heck right?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrkDrgn on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:44am

Spiffy, you are correct We are trying to process this new story piece by piece to see if it all fits. This is in no way shape or form SOLVED wrong word for the thread. But it is an attention getter. We have people in the field right now collecting data. Let us see what they come up with. If everything checks out in his story. We may have found the smoking gun. However I say we need to down one of these units. Shotgun blast or by any other means we need to capture one of these. There are still many questions un answered. Lets play it out and see what we find out.

I agree with you. SOLVED it is no way been solved.
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Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:46am

I'd absolutely LOVE for all of this to be legitimate and I'm not trying to be a pessimist, but honestly...

...from a design point-of-view, those PACL Linguistic Analysis Primers are so freakin' beautiful and so well-crafted and executed that I just can't imagine them being produced in Palo Alto at the time.

Obviously, they could have; I'm not ruling it out completely. Perhaps I'm not privy to how the government handles precision, design-related endeavors, but I just can't picture it! I mean, honestly, did they have to create it in that level of detail? They could have used English. They could have used pencils and pens. Was Photoshop even around at the time? It just seems too much for 1986. Why did they have to go that far - to such great lengths - to create those Primers?

And another thing that really jumps out at me is the scribble. Two question marks ("??") and an arrow pointing to the only circle with a second glyph within it...

...which then leads to me ponder the possibility that, perhaps, those Primers were found on an artifact or group of artifacts (or elsewhere?) and designers were hired to reproduce it on paper, etc. for posterity.

Again, I hope all of this is real, I just can't seem to get past the overall beauty of those designs. Truly amazing. Either they were copied from some alien artifact or an extremely skilled designer worked very long and hard on it. Either way, just wanted to blabber for a few minutes.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:47am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:35am, spiffy wrote:
Okay, but how much investment would actually be involved?


Hi Spiffy - well, finally - an area I am an expert on smiley! In short, this would be orchestrated and executed by an agency in all likelihood and not an employee of the client company (especially in light of the big names involved in the product). Something this intricate to design and implement, my "guestimate" would be at least in the tens of thousands. In addition, there could be a tremendous negative backlash in either direction, there's a risk to reputations at stake. Credibility on future projects, for one.

Could it be a solo genius renegade with tons of free time? I wouldn't rule anything out, but I kind of doubt it.

My hunch - and that's all it is - is that Isaac might be a small group and not an individual. That may be where "he" perceives his safety lies.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:47am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:44am, DarkDragon wrote:
This is in no way shape or form SOLVED wrong word for the thread.


I see not one but three question marks next to that word "SOLVED".

** hands DarkDragon glasses with a new prescription **



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:50am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:46am, jlc767 wrote:
I'd absolutely LOVE for all of this to be legitimate and I'm not trying to be a pessimist, but honestly...

...from a design point-of-view, those PACL Linguistic Analysis Primers are so freakin' beautiful and so well-crafted and executed that I just can't imagine them being produced in Palo Alto at the time.


They are beautiful. My first glance at them was WOW. I've seen tons and tons of artwork in my 55 years but I don't remember a WOW like that.

And then, to see those crop circle pictures that looked so awful familiar, I was blown away.

.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:53am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:38am, MarkM wrote:
On a side note, some of our members are from other counties and I think what might - at first glance - look like lazy typing or poor English, is the real reason behind their writing "style". Just a thought smiley.


Yes, and we even have two members posting in this thread with disabilities, one being a more recent stroke.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:53am

This thread is dangerous. I drove home yesterday looking up in the sky and I could have run over several people!

I have to agree about the quality and detail in the designs...that's no quick job. Either that stuff has real purpose and meaning in it, or someone should be writing books and creating those designs for a living.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by GForce on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:53am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:40am, 5150 wrote:
Do they really need to bother with something like this to build up hype for the movie? Seems like a waste of time and energy for a sure blockbuster.


Bingo! It would be a waste of time! They are spending millions promoting it on television. That reaches millions of potential movie customers. Especially kids who would want to watch it. Why WASTE your time and money with online forums?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:54am

One things for sure - we're all going to have to tough it through withdrawal pains once the dust settles on this - unless, of course, carpel tunnel does us in first! Honestly, folks, I've GOT to get some work done - but ..... my mailbox just keeps pinging at me!!!!!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:04am

On A Side Note:

Here in Southern Maine we've been invaded by ominous looking Men In Black SUV's laden with antennae and vans decorated with satellite dishes. Then there's the "obvious" FBI, CIA, KGB and others trying to look like tourists (by talking into their sleeves). They aren't succeeding. Oh, and the unmarked helicopters buzzing the shoreline are cool. Kennebunk is prepping for "George and Vlad's Big Adventure" here this weekend. I believe "W" arrives today - great timing since it's also the start of the tourist season. Generally a pain in the butt for all who live in this area (despite what the Chamber of Commerce proclaims).

We got used to things settling down after Dad was out of office, now Junior has decided he likes to fish. It really is a circus, keep your eyes on the national news and you'll pretty much catch a glimpse of my backyard - wish twe natives luck!

Wouldn't this just be the perfect photo op for this drone? Can you imagine? One can dream ....
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Post by mimimi on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:05am

LOL.

Transformers all the way.

Anyway, its the new groove to advertise like that on the internet. Like they did with Lost (built a lot of websites for the Driveshaft band, for the airline company,etc) like they added profiles on 43things.com for some of the characters in Little Miss Sunshine, like they advertised for jobs in Second Life.

The design is beautiful. The marketing budget includes this.

Just let me add this from the original text
"We needed a copy of that diagram to be utterly precise, and it took about a month for a team of six to copy that diagram into our drafting program!"

8 hours per day
48 in total.
a month is 20 working days

thats 960 working hours

for a precise copy. lets get realistic here.




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:05am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:53am, GForce wrote:
Bingo! It would be a waste of time! They are spending millions promoting it on television. That reaches millions of potential movie customers. Especially kids who would want to watch it. Why WASTE your time and money with online forums?


But, don't forget how HALO3 benefited from using the drone pictures and our own website.

I know they did that on purpose because they're ad people know how to generate Google ads with your name one it - replacing the previous ad. They have all the tricks.

It had to have driven people to their site in droves based on Google ads prompted by a forum member simply typing the word HALO or HALO3 in a post. If Google has an advertiser who's name matches a type written work in a post, the Google ad then changes from whatever it was to the word HALO3 since that's how that ad program works and HALO3 sold many more games because of it.

I'm sure they picked forums to their liking to do that in. We have a lot of members that are gamers due to the age bracket in here.

On that note, just think about how many times someone over the last 3 days has typed in google "CARET" and "Isaac". Tons and tons and all of those people clicked on the Isaac Newton website. That website can probably say that they've received something upwards of 200,000 clicks in the past two days considering what ours is for a given day these past two days.

What those clicks do are generate advertising rates. The more clicks, the more you charge for advertising.






Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:07am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:53am, 5150 wrote:
This thread is dangerous. I drove home yesterday looking up in the sky and I could have run over several people!

I have to agree about the quality and detail in the designs...that's no quick job. Either that stuff has real purpose and meaning in it, or someone should be writing books and creating those designs for a living.


5150 (rock on VH), so true. I was doing that to. I mean driving around looking to the skies. But when the Isaac revelation came down I realized that type of behavior is useless and here's why. Isaac basically explained it. When this drone flap was progressing my initial thoughts were that something different was happening. That we were experiencing a new "offensive" from outside. I thought that maybe these drone sightings might increase exponentially. But Isaac has showed us that is not the case. None of this is new. It's all been happening like he says for decades or longer. It's just that we had never been able to see it.

They're up there right now but we can't see them. So I no longer look for them.

Oh and yes I agree that if this is a hoax it's a total waste. This guy should be making more money than Spielberg and Azimov put together.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:10am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:54am, MarkM wrote:


I've already got carpel tunnel in my wrist on my mouse hand.

8,015 views on this thread. Thats a record for us I think in three days.

Yes, it's not 5,015. Conforums defaulted our thread back to zero when it hit 3,000 but have fixed the problem.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:11am

If it's a Transformers ploy then it, on the surface, isn't a very good one. I just don't see any clear connection to the movie here. I mean, it's as if they launched the "promotion", then later some suit noticed that these drones don't have any Transformer insignia, and look nothing like transformer,s and then said "Okay, Jimmy Intern, we need you to register at UFO Casebook, get involved and then innocently say 'Hmmm...I wonder if there's a Transformers connection herehuh I wonder...hmmmm...maybe we should all look into the Transformers Movie..what do you say guys?"

Well, I guess you could probably get an intern to do that...
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Post by Vel on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:13am

Just an FYI guys, I found this post over on Digg.com ont he story about this stuff..

"Ah, another submission protected by a moderator. I posted a comment about how these pictures have been posted before, and then the images still had the Photoshop EXIF information embedded. I checked one of the images now, and it seems the guys spreading this have wizened up enough to strip the EXIF info from the images now. And that post got deleted by a moderator. As this apparently is a viral marketing campaign for Halo, I kindof wonder if Digg is being paid? Still the same tired old fake, though. Fake fakity fake fake."
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:15am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:07am, Latitude wrote:
5150 (rock on VH)


Rock on indeed. I was totally surprised that name was available.

I know they're up there and always have been but, dang it, I still want to see one with my own eyes...haha. But then what would I do...come here and have people pick apart my story until I'm accused of being in league with Michael Bay??
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by GForce on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:16am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:05am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
But, don't forget how HALO3 benefited from using the drone pictures and our own website.

I know they did that on purpose because they're ad people know how to generate Google ads with your name one it - replacing the previous ad. They have all the tricks.

It had to have driven people to their site in droves based on Google ads prompted by a forum member simply typing the word HALO or HALO3 in a post. If Google has an advertiser who's name matches a type written work in a post, the Google ad then changes from whatever it was to the word HALO3 since that's how that ad program works and HALO3 sold many more games because of it.

I'm sure they picked forums to their liking to do that in. We have a lot of members that are gamers due to the age bracket in here.

On that note, just think about how many times someone over the last 3 days has typed in google "CARET" and "Isaac". Tons and tons and all of those people clicked on the Isaac Newton website. That website can probably say that they've received something upwards of 200,000 clicks in the past two days considering what ours is for a given day these past two days.

What those clicks do are generate advertising rates. The more clicks, the more you charge for advertising.







I sort of hate to admit this but I play Halo. I have both Halo 1 & 2. Along with 4 X-Box's and 4 televisions in my game room. I also have 2 X-Box 360's. But if Halo 3 has sold more units because of forums then it would have to be in pre-orders since its not out yet. Sorry I've got my preorders in.
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Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:20am

Isaac stated:
"I am also trying to get in touch with the witnesses so far, such as Chad, Rajman, Jenna, Ty, and the Lake Tahoe witness (especially Chad). I have advice for them that may be somewhat helpful in dealing with what they've seen and what I would recommend they do with what they know. If you are one of these witnesses, or can put me in touch with them, please contact Coast to Coast AM and let them know."

What do we know from this statement?

1. C2C knows how to contact him.

2. He is willing to speak to the witnesses and give them info not provided on his website. In fact, by this time he may already have done so.

3. If he is willing to talk to the other witnesses and C2C has his info, you can bet LMH has been in contact with him.

Tonight LMH gives her update on this whole thing. I expect a great deal of new information to be provided tonight. The kind of things I expect to hear are that he has been in contact with some of the witnesses and we may learn what he told them. We may learn that he has provided further evidence to LMH for her review and future release. We will probably find out that LMH has had other "experts" give their opinion of the Isaac material. We may even hear an interview with Isaac, voice obscured I'd hope, or at least plans for one.

I expect the whole thing to get a second wind tomorrow with, I hope, a bunch of new info to discuss.
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Post by mimimi on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:20am

you people have to understand one thing.
its not expensive to advertise like this.
it is done on itself if the quality of the story is above average.

its about a million monkeys at a million keyboards.
copy paste the link, it spreads by itself.
you dont need to post it on 1,000 websites.
its enough just one.

its marketing for Transformers.
and if its not, its a designer looking for a job smiley
but is still marketing and is money related.

get that pls, and get back to work.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by spiffy on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:22am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:53am, GForce wrote:
Bingo! It would be a waste of time! They are spending millions promoting it on television. That reaches millions of potential movie customers. Especially kids who would want to watch it. Why WASTE your time and money with online forums?


1. It isn't/wasn't a waste. Again, I'm proof of that (having never visited a UFO-related forum in my 30-something life before yesterday).

2. It isn't just forums. Again, this has spread out into the internet (and let's not forget: on the radio!) far beyond these forums. People are taking notice. ALL ACCORDING TO THEIR FIENDISH MARKETING PLAN! heh.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:28am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:13am, Vel wrote:
Just an FYI guys, I found this post over on Digg.com ont he story about this stuff..

"Ah, another submission protected by a moderator. I posted a comment about how these pictures have been posted before, and then the images still had the Photoshop EXIF information embedded. I checked one of the images now, and it seems the guys spreading this have wizened up enough to strip the EXIF info from the images now. And that post got deleted by a moderator. As this apparently is a viral marketing campaign for Halo, I kindof wonder if Digg is being paid? Still the same tired old fake, though. Fake fakity fake fake."


I didn't understand anything you stated here. I haven't removed your thread yet. I said I was because it is duplicated three times and you can if you wish continue posting in the thread that pertains to what it is your thread was about, which is at this address.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182283823

Like me, that moderator knows how things work and knows that HALO3 was just doing an ad gimmic as explained in a previous post here.

To prove my point, I just did the same thing and changed my signature to include History Channel DVD's that the UFO Casebook sells in order to pay for their website and forum.

If you were to take a look at the UFO Casebook website, what you find lacking is advertising. Our webmaster does not make enough money to survive on from this website. He actually has a regular job in order to be able to do so.

There's no funny business in removing the HALO thing by that moderator, the gig's just up is all and they know this. There is no coorrelation between HALO and the drones except that they got the UFO forum members going into their website, creating for more customers for them and selling more games and that's all it was.

.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:30am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:22am, spiffy wrote:
1. It isn't/wasn't a waste. Again, I'm proof of that (having never visited a UFO-related forum in my 30-something life before yesterday).

2. It isn't just forums. Again, this has spread out into the internet (and let's not forget: on the radio!) far beyond these forums. People are taking notice. ALL ACCORDING TO THEIR FIENDISH MARKETING PLAN! heh.


You're only proof of that if you go see the movie because of this aleged marketing scheme. Even if it is a marketing scheme, I still say it's a waste. This audience they've target is about 98% likely to see the Transformers movie without any of this added hype and speculation. They're preaching to the choir...they should start a hoax in a market they need to get, not one they dominate.

Also, corporations are not lax with their money and how it's spent - how are they going to pin point the effectiveness of this specific stratagem to determine it's value? Are they going to pole people outside the theater? "Did you see Transformers because of the drone hoax?"
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:32am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:22am, spiffy wrote:
It isn't just forums. Again, this has spread out into the internet (and let's not forget: on the radio!) far beyond these forums. People are taking notice. ALL ACCORDING TO THEIR FIENDISH MARKETING PLAN! heh.


That is exactly what we want though as well. All Ufologist want as much ink as we can get right now. They want disclosure from our government.

This forum address has been delivered to many news services of all shapes and kinds for just that reason. The UFO community wants disclosure and what better way to get it then to start a big stink.

It's unfortunate that there are possibities of a viral marketing campaign but the UFO community must take this chance because they may never get another one.

Meanwhile, and to date, there is not one single bit of proof yet that this could be a viral marketing campaign, no more then there is any proof that the evidence received from Isaac is authentic.





Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by GForce on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:36am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:20am, mimimi wrote:
you people have to understand one thing.
its not expensive to advertise like this.
it is done on itself if the quality of the story is above average.

its about a million monkeys at a million keyboards.
copy paste the link, it spreads by itself.
you dont need to post it on 1,000 websites.
its enough just one.

its marketing for Transformers.
and if its not, its a designer looking for a job smiley
but is still marketing and is money related.

get that pls, and get back to work.


It's often said the proof is in the pudding! Well I don't see any pudding here not even jello. What I do see and read a lot of is opinions. Nothing more! If this is a marketing ploy then somewhere there's proof. Find it! Show me! I'd love to see the evidence. It may very well be a hoax. But until then I'll keep an open mind.

As far as getting to work goes I'm retired! I retired at 38 so I can keep at this all day or until I decide to go fishing! wink
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:36am

I agree, easy to spread once it's created. As someone who has spent over two decades in graphic design and marketing, with high profile clients in my portfolio, to conceive, design and execute this project is going to cost you. Then there's - as I mentioned before - the not unsubstantial risk to my reputation and credibility if this thing bites me in the butt! So, I'm either a good part of someones add budget or an evil genius with plenty of free time. The UFO community does not fit the target market for either of the "products" that we're discussing. Marginal overlap, but not enough to warrant this kind of effort.

(Please insert the obligatory disclaimer - but, i could be wrong smiley)
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:36am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:32am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Meanwhile, and to date, there is not one single bit of proof yet that this could be a viral marketing campaign, no more then there is any proof that the evidence received from Isaac is authentic.





Boy, that's depressing. So in 14 pages of debate we're still clueless...haha.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:37am

on Jun 27th, 2007, 8:50pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Isn't that what you would be doing today if you were Isaac?

Sure, there are stories of some who have mysteriously died however those in question died before ever giving anyone what it was they had. I'm speaking of the conspiracy theories of Lear, Mack, and Schneider.

Isaac, don't worry. This has been done before and nothing happened to those people who fessed up. Just ask Stephen Greer about his infamous 400.

Oh, I do want to ask Isaac a question if he's reading. Why did you choose Isaac? You thought I was going to ask you for more info didn't you? That will be your decision, which now you have to think about. Do you really want to hang onto documentation that has not been released?


I'm thinking maybe the PTB have adopted different methods nowadays. Back in the day, if they did not like what you were saying you would end up buzzard food out in the desert. Today there is no need for such extreme measures. With the changes in society these things take care of themselves. You can see it for yourself. It's happening right now. With the advent of CGI, viral marketing and hoaxes no ufo sighting is taken seriously any more. Even the UFO community is quick to dismiss seemingly legitimate cases. The general public is even more skeptical.

So Isaac does not have to worry about being taken out by the MIB. The PTB don't care about him at all. They already have their tools in place. They control the media and the rest is handled by CGI and debunkery.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:40am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:20am, WatchingWaiting wrote:
What do we know from this statement?
1. C2C knows how to contact him.
2. He is willing to speak to the witnesses and give them info not provided on his website. In fact, by this time he may already have done so.
3. If he is willing to talk to the other witnesses and C2C has his info, you can bet LMH has been in contact with him.


When I read his statement on that I thought two things. The first is that he wants to talk to them about either radiation, microwaves or lack of, which were the fears of three of them. Secondly, I thought we haven't heard the last from Isaac because that let me know that he's still wanting to put more then his toes in the water.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:40am

Well here's the Halo 3 viral marketing site:

http://www.societyoftheancients.com/links.html

Other than being about UFOs I don't see much direct connection to the drones/probes or Isaac material.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by reptile256 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:41am

Hi guys & girls, I've been lurking the forums for a while now.

1. I haven't seen the transformers movie yet, but on their official website there's no similarities of design and the trailer also doesn't show any similar features in sfx & stuff. As some of you said, it is ridiculous to continue debating this possibility.

2. The primers really seem too detailed for that time. How exactly did they get those beautiful pictograms into the document in the 80s?

3. So, if I understood it correctly, somebody talented enough could, with the help of the primers, solve some of the alien language, provided that it is authentic?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:43am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:15am, 5150 wrote:
Rock on indeed. I was totally surprised that name was available.

I know they're up there and always have been but, dang it, I still want to see one with my own eyes...haha. But then what would I do...come here and have people pick apart my story until I'm accused of being in league with Michael Bay??


It happened to me on another forum! I was accused of either being the mastermind drone hoaxer or being in league with it! shocked It's a sad situation when forum people cease thinking logically and start getting paranoid.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:43am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:37am, Latitude wrote:
So Isaac does not have to worry about being taken out by the MIB. The PTB don't care about him at all. They already have their tools in place. They control the media and the rest is handled by CGI and debunkery.


Personally and honestly, I live with two feet planted firmly on the ground and simple logic tells me that every single ufologist that died an untimely death is not and never was a conspiracy theory and that it just happened the way it does for other unsuspecting souls.

I mean really, to think that someone was killed by a drunk driver and then the UFO websites accuse the government of killing him. lol

Naaaa, I like reality. I feel safer that way.

.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by remoat on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:43am



Thread moved to either

SKEPTICISM and DEBUNKING
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=tips&action=display&num=1110310681

or

FACT or THEORY
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=tips&action=display&num=1172077616



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:43am

I think it's a marketing plan to get people to stop lurking on this forum...haha...sure seems to be working.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by spiffy on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:44am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:11am, 5150 wrote:
If it's a Transformers ploy then it, on the surface, isn't a very good one. I just don't see any clear connection to the movie here. I mean, it's as if they launched the "promotion", then later some suit noticed that these drones don't have any Transformer insignia, and look nothing like transformer,s and then said "Okay, Jimmy Intern, we need you to register at UFO Casebook, get involved and then innocently say 'Hmmm...I wonder if there's a Transformers connection herehuh I wonder...hmmmm...maybe we should all look into the Transformers Movie..what do you say guys?"

Well, I guess you could probably get an intern to do that...


Yeah, I don't know anything much about the movie, but of course now I want to find out if there potentially IS a connection -- again, ALL PART OF THEIR EVIL MARKETING MASTERPLAN. laugh

See, this is how they getcha.

Gonna go see what I can dig up on IMDB etc.

Also, regardless of the outcome, all of this has definitely kept me entertained for the past 24-48 hrs, and that's worth something, right?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:47am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:44am, spiffy wrote:
Yeah, I don't know anything much about the movie, but of course now I want to find out if there potentially IS a connection -- again, ALL PART OF THEIR EVIL MARKETING MASTERPLAN. laugh

See, this is how they getcha.

Gonna go see what I can dig up on IMDB etc.

Also, regardless of the outcome, all of this has definitely kept me entertained for the past 24-48 hrs, and that's worth something, right?

You're right on...hoax or not this is a heck of a lot of fun.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:47am

I think it would be a huge mistake to just dismiss THIS ONE as a fake. My personal opinion is that this is absolutely real. You can bash me as ignorant but I am confident that this Isaac is 100% real. If you think about this with an open mind you will see how possible this technology is. This story just seems to fit perfectly as a piece in the obscure puzzle that we've had before this information was released. I personally believe that these artifacts were not recovered from a crash but given to the government by the Aliens themselves. I'm sure someone else already brought this up, but it's shocking how similar those symbol markings are with crop circles we've had over the decades.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:47am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:40am, 5150 wrote:
Well here's the Halo 3 viral marketing site:

http://www.societyoftheancients.com/links.html

Other than being about UFOs I don't see much direct connection to the drones/probes or Isaac material.


What led you to think that was a HALO site? I've seen the other website that is a supposed HALO site but not that one. I know that webiste you posted above.




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:49am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:20am, WatchingWaiting wrote:
Isaac stated:
"I am also trying to get in touch with the witnesses so far, such as Chad, Rajman, Jenna, Ty, and the Lake Tahoe witness (especially Chad). I have advice for them that may be somewhat helpful in dealing with what they've seen and what I would recommend they do with what they know. If you are one of these witnesses, or can put me in touch with them, please contact Coast to Coast AM and let them know."

What do we know from this statement?

1. C2C knows how to contact him.

2. He is willing to speak to the witnesses and give them info not provided on his website. In fact, by this time he may already have done so.

3. If he is willing to talk to the other witnesses and C2C has his info, you can bet LMH has been in contact with him.

Tonight LMH gives her update on this whole thing. I expect a great deal of new information to be provided tonight. The kind of things I expect to hear are that he has been in contact with some of the witnesses and we may learn what he told them. We may learn that he has provided further evidence to LMH for her review and future release. We will probably find out that LMH has had other "experts" give their opinion of the Isaac material. We may even hear an interview with Isaac, voice obscured I'd hope, or at least plans for one.

I expect the whole thing to get a second wind tomorrow with, I hope, a bunch of new info to discuss.


My hope is that all of the witnesses and Isaac can be organized into a group that can be authenticated for all of the skeptics to see. That would finally silence those accusing hoax one and for all. (Maybe not. Some people will still refuse to admit the truth even though it slaps them in the face).

I have a lot of respect for LMH and appreciate all of her hard work but don't expect miracles tonight.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:50am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:47am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
What led you to think that was a HALO site? I've seen the other website that is a supposed HALO site but not that one. I know that webiste you posted above.




I'll have to track down the link, but it was an article about the HALO campaign. And on the bottom of this page of the site:

http://www.societyoftheancients.com/evidence.html

there is a thinly veiled link directly to Bungie.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:55am

Lets stop trying to find it out as hoax or not. Lets pretend for just a second that its real. I'd like to hear some discussion about how you guys think the technology works. That aspect fascinates me the most.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by spiffy on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:56am

Okay y'all, I have to go run a few errands and be away from the computer for a little bit (OH NOES!), but here's the IMDB synopsis of Transformers, fyi:

Quote:
A long time ago, far away on the planet of Cybertron, a war was being waged between the noble Autobots (led by the wise Optimus Prime) and the devious Decepticons (commanded by the dreaded Megatron) for control over the Allspark, a mystical talisman that would grant unlimited power to whoever possessed it. The Autobots managed to smuggle the Allspark off the planet, but Megatron blasted off in search of it. He eventually tracked it to the planet of Earth (circa 1850), but his reckless desire for power sent him right into the Arctic Ocean, and the sheer cold forced him into a paralyzed state. His body was later found by Captain Archibald Witwicky, and before going into a comatose state Megatron used the last of his energy to engrave a map, showing the location of the Allspark, into the Captain's glasses, and send a transmission to Cybertron. He is then carted away by the Captain's ship. A century later, Sam Witwicky, nicknamed Spike by his friends, buys his first car. To his shock, he discovers it to be Bumblebee, an Autobot in disguise who is to protect Spike, as he bears the Captain's glasses and the map carved on them. But Bumblebee is not the only Transformer to have arrived on Earth - in the desert of Qatar, the Decepticons Blackout and Scorponok attack a U.S. military base, causing the Pentagon to send their special Sector Seven agents to capture all "specimens of this alien race," and Spike and his girlfriend Mikaela find themselves in the middle of a grand battle between the Autobots and the Decepticons, stretching from Hoover Dam all the way to Los Angeles. Meanwhile, within the depths of the Pentagon, the cryogenically stored form of Megatron awakens...


Anybody care to see if they can find images of the Allspark thingy?

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Vel on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:58am

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread284400/pg1
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:58am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:47am, redSE7EN wrote:
If you think about this with an open mind you will see how possible this technology is. This story just seems to fit perfectly as a piece in the obscure puzzle that we've had before this information was released.


I'm glad you said something like that because it leaves a spot for me to say this.

We have productive things to do here. Seeking is one of them. What I mean is seeking information about the topic at hand and not wasting it on viral marketing campaigns that nobody can prove or disprove.

What they are - are unproductive in THIS thread and get us no where. The thread is moving too fast and it's riddled with things in our way.

It's not like they need more ink or I'm not being open minded or something, it's just because amongst the 48 pages of Chad/Tahoe/Capitola/Birmingham/BigBasin and now Isaac, here in this forum, we have way too much of the viral marketing campaign thingy and I myself would like to get back to the topic at hand. This would be what Isaac presented and all of the other areas of similar interest such as Earthfiles, Linda, Coast to Coast, etc.

So, if you wish to continue in your statements regarding a viral marketing campaign by either HALO or the producers of Transformers, please post those comments instead at the following address.

I even changed the title of the thread for you accordingly since it was lacking.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182283823&start=0#1182283823


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:10pm

http://www.flickr.com/photos/weibun76/538857270/

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1104/552369460_6c7245b8d0.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/140/384743704_5aa5f70c3a.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/532248001_f620e12daa_o.jpg

lol, sorry...
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:16pm

LOL, read the post above your last post. Your timing was phenomenal.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:17pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:47am, redSE7EN wrote:
This story just seems to fit perfectly as a piece in the obscure puzzle that we've had before this information was released.


I agree. Not only that but every new piece that came about throughout this saga fit just as well.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:25pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:55am, redSE7EN wrote:
I'd like to hear some discussion about how you guys think the technology works. That aspect fascinates me the most.


That's a tough one. It turns out from the Isaac revelation that the technology is so far beyond us that we can't really comprehend it. Maybe that's why we are still not flying around in Jetson style hovercars. At our state of evolution we do not possess the mental faculties necessary to understand this tech. It's not as easy as sci-fi lead us to believe. We can't simply wire a flux capacitor to a dilithium crystal and make anti-gravity.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:30pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 08:45am, mimimi wrote:
to obtain black holes you need to keep the copy machine with its cover opened while scanning.
but if the cover is opened, then, everything outside the paper should be black. you cant have both in the same time unless you really want that effect.




FYI - This is not true, not for every copier anyway. My company just installed two brand new $15,000 Xerox machines this week and both of them produce black holes when copying drilled (hole punched) paper whether the cover is open or closed. In fact, there is a programmable button on the interface which allows you to set a crop border so that the holes won't be scanned just for this reason.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by JC on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:32pm

WE all need to look at this event seriously.

If this is the Real Deal then we must congratulate the Man for his bravery that he has just given us some of the most important information that has ever been released that show we are not alone PERIOD!

I personally think this is real information and being a contactee myself know without a doubt Advanced Beings are real and are here with us on this Planet.
I have seen them many times and they influence me in my everyday life for the better.

There will always be debunkers and its because they have not been chosen or feel that they are not of special purpose and they try to disrupt the real information that is being given to the chosen ones and them "the debunkers" in the end will be left here all alone to deal with the great disasters which are about to hit this planet!


Remember this:

"Little minds get little Rewards"

God Bless to all!
JC


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:38pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:32pm, JC wrote:
and being a contactee myself know without a doubt Advanced Beings are real and are here with us on this Planet. I have seen them many times and they influence me in my everyday life for the better.


And only I know exactly what you're talking about as I know it to be a fact. We're a rarity but we do exist.

But how do we explain to the posters that we're not reading their words alone and we're not always typing our own words?

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:40pm

Quote:
...will be left here all alone to deal with the great disasters which are about to hit this planet!


Apparently I'm not in the loop. Can you and your little buddies swing by Virginia on the way out and swoop me up? Thanks. tongue
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by JC on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:42pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:38pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
And only I know exactly what you're talking about as I know it to be a fact. We're a rarity but we do exist.

But how do we explain to the posters that we're not reading their words alone and we're not always typing our own words?

.



We can't - ONLY the wise will know!
May Peace and Love be with all.
JC
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:44pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:42pm, JC wrote:
We can't - ONLY the wise will know!
May Peace and Love be with all.
JC


Yeah, I gave up on trying. Made me look kooky to them I think.

I have one question, which I always ask a contactee when I run into one. Do you live near a large body of water? Ocean, sea, Gulf, deep lake, etc.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by spiffy on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:47pm

Well, if y'all wanna put the kibosh on discussion of ALL the possible sources of the material, and whether or not it IS or IS NOT real (the real objective "sleuthing" MarkM mentioned earlier), then there really isn't much interest here for me. I like the sleuthing part, not the "let's assume its real" tack. I like to think of it as a challenge, and I'd like to explore ALL possible sources for it. And yes, that includes exploring possibilities that "debunk", though that's not what I'm here for or why I came here. I mean, don't you WANT to know if its real? Don't you WANT to eliminate -- or at least try your damndest to eliminate -- all possible sources other than a "real" one? And doesn't that require critical thinking, and eliminating stuff like viral marketing?

Anyway, I guess I'll take my ball and go home now... been fun while it lasted.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:48pm

You can't leave, the party's just getting started!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by mimimi on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:49pm

Quote:
""FYI - This is not true, not for every copier anyway. My company just installed two brand new $15,000 Xerox machines this week and both of them produce black holes when copying drilled (hole punched) paper whether the cover is open or closed. In fact, there is a programmable button on the interface which allows you to set a crop border so that the holes won't be scanned just for this reason.""



i bet that there's a lot of people in disguise here that just keep on the fire burning.

dude, you have no argument. its that simple.
you have to have the same color both in the holes and both outside the page. either black or white it does not matter.

you cant have black holes and white exterior
or
you cant have white holes and black exterior

just go and scan again and see for yourself.
i dont care its about 15,000 scanning machines.
the crop was not use here. because you can actually see the exterior of the page.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:50pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:47pm, spiffy wrote:
Well, if y'all wanna put the kibosh on discussion of ALL the possible sources of the material, and whether or not it IS or IS NOT real (the real objective "sleuthing" MarkM mentioned earlier), then there really isn't much interest here for me. I like the sleuthing part, not the "let's assume its real" tack. I like to think of it as a challenge, and I'd like to explore ALL possible sources for it. And yes, that includes exploring possibilities that "debunk", though that's not what I'm here for or why I came here. I mean, don't you WANT to know if its real? Don't you WANT to eliminate -- or at least try your damndest to eliminate -- all possible sources other than a "real" one? And doesn't that require critical thinking, and eliminating stuff like viral marketing? Anyway, I guess I'll take my ball and go home now... been fun while it lasted.


Alls I did is move it to another thread a click away. There's too much on both subjects to keep them in one thread and there are a great deal of ufologist that want to get back to the business at hand. They know to check out the HALO & TRANSFORMER thread when they have time.

I say, I'm gonna take my toys and go home. lol




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by spiffy on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:50pm

Oops, nevermind, just saw you opened the new thread. Thanks.

Everyone who, like me, wants to explore all the possible sources for the Issac material, meet me over in yonder thread:
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182283823&start=0
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:56pm

How do they communicate? Telepathically? I'd love to meet them, but I don't think I could do it alone.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:57pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:53pm, JC wrote:
Want to meet them? Its very simple.
If you think you are ready to except them then all you have to do is ask. Its that simple they will hear you and come. They are on many different levels and will hear your call. But don't call them if you can't deal with meeting intelligent Beings. Enough said.


I wouldn't advise it though. They can be all consuming at times and there can be a lot of physical pain that doesn't subside until they leave.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:59pm



Being a contactee is not a walk in the park.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1106747571
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:59pm

HEY JLC767, LATITUDE, J.C;I and you and afew others are thinking the same way about this craft, CAN you amagine if we had half that much more i wonder what that mite do to us. not to say that we the human race are dumd by far, but you have to admite that Et have such high interlect IT is not at all simple, so amagine what the goverments of this world is going thru with ET. wink
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:59pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:49pm, mimimi wrote:
i bet that there's a lot of people in disguise here that just keep on the fire burning.

dude, you have no argument. its that simple.
you have to have the same color both in the holes and both outside the page. either black or white it does not matter.

you cant have black holes and white exterior
or
you cant have white holes and black exterior

just go and scan again and see for yourself.
i dont care its about 15,000 scanning machines.
the crop was not use here. because you can actually see the exterior of the page.


Actually, you're absolutely right. Imagine a guy on a forum admitting being wrong! My brain didn't process that you were talking about the differences between the outside of the paper and the holes and not just the holes. In addition, I was a little surprised that a $15,000machine still produced black holes even with the lid shut...
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:04pm

Well here's my response from PARC:

Dear Mr. Haley,

I'm sorry but no one here has any information on CARET.

Best Regards,

Mimi Gardner
PARC
Communications & Marketing
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:09pm

JC you are correct just call . ato you seem to have contac with them you also seem to know so much about them tell us what it is . i am listening. grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:13pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:04pm, 5150 wrote:
Well here's my response from PARC:

Dear Mr. Haley,

I'm sorry but no one here has any information on CARET.

Best Regards,

Mimi Gardner
PARC
Communications & Marketing


Mimi? You going to believe her? Didn't you know she's on this board trying to convince us it's all viral marketing? wink


on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:20am, mimimi wrote:
you people have to understand one thing.
its not expensive to advertise like this.
it is done on itself if the quality of the story is above average.

its about a million monkeys at a million keyboards.
copy paste the link, it spreads by itself.
you dont need to post it on 1,000 websites.
its enough just one.

its marketing for Transformers.
and if its not, its a designer looking for a job smiley
but is still marketing and is money related.

get that pls, and get back to work.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Outthere on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:14pm

I have been reading this sight for a few days and here are a couple of things I have been thinking about. It seems like some people might want to group all of the informations relating to the drones including the photos, movies, and documents from Isaac as being 100% true or 100% false. I think as always, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

One problem I have had with the photos of the drones is the sharpness of the images and how difficult it is to really understand what is the scale of these objects. If you take picture of a plane or a helicopter the the pictures are never this sharp. I think that is strange.

It is also weird that so many different people have had eye witness accounts of seeing the drones. We are gettting alot of information from alot of different sources that more or less corroborate one another. So I think that some one has to put together a website where each photo can be examined and evaluated individually.

The sharpness of the photo could result from at least two reasons:

1. It's hoax and the images were generated on comptuer.

2. If the drones do operate in an electromagnetic field could that somehow sharpen the images.

Everyone knows that further something is away the blurrier it gets, that does not seem to be the case with these images.

In Isaac's report, I think that it is strange that the word Extra Terrestrial is on the very front page. Maybe the military has so many accronyms that even they have a hard time keeping track and they need to be reminded on the front cover. That's my opinion.

I did, however, find the text compelling. If what he is saying is true, I thought that the text was written in a way to convey these ideas to the military. And let's be honest, these ideas are really out there, excuse the pun.

I found that the documents were reasonably consistent even though I am no expert and am being exposed to these ideas for the first time like everyone else.

I think it might be helpful to imagine some different scenario's that might help broaden this discussion. What if some of the information is true and some of it is false? How do we decide?

What if the drone pictures and the movies are faked but, in a weird synchonicity, it sort of resembled the work being done in a military lab in Palo Alto in the eighties? And then what if the some of the stories of the eye witnesses are true? How would we know?

I think it is very difficult to guess the motivations of everyone involved with contributing "evidence" to this discussion.

One thing we know about Isaac is that either he put the original report together or had access to the raw materials. This easy because the clear photo scans match the pictures of the report.

The technology and the "language" he describes is strange, but there have been reports of writing on UFO's since Roswell. It just that the writing never made any sense to us. More importantly, the reason of the writing never made any sense to us.

Perhaps if it is a programming language and not a sign or some kind of story, it is slowly beginning to make sense of what we are dealing with and why it kept turning up.

It is strange that we have not seen these kind of craft until recently and then all of a sudden the flood gates have been open. I know there was a case in 1995 but still it seems like all of a sudden we have become saturated.

I think that we are dealing with alot of information and alot of disinformation. Someone has to figure out a clever way to seperate the wheat from the chaff so to speak.

Has anyone asked Stan Friedman what he thinks?




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:15pm

Not to sound pretentious but the transformer issue (even if real) is not a show stopper ....there's still the big picture of ufo and ET events occuring daily across the globe as reported on this and other websites. Meanwhile, this show should be played out as it is being done until a definite end point comes.

Fortunately, or unfortunately, the Isaac event makes it difficult to just drop the ball and walk away.

Isaac qnd Transformer don't appear to quite match. Isaac's tone (positive, universal, matter of fact, tho overlaid by human secrecy, and some fear exhibited by his superiors) doesn't link with the malevolence of Transformer. Maybe I don't know enough about Trasformer yet.

There seems to be a lot of beneficial self education going on here that will spill over to other ufo issues- fine tuning of sleuthing and development of mental attitude about evidence.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:16pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:13pm, Latitude wrote:
Mimi? You going to believe her? Didn't you know she's on this board trying to convince us it's all viral marketing? wink




I though the same thing laugh
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:23pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:14pm, Outthere wrote:
I think it might be helpful to imagine some different scenario's that might help broaden this discussion. What if some of the information is true and some of it is false? How do we decide?

Good point. In fact, I've been thinking that if I was forced to choose an absolute true/false in this I would say that the Chad/Raj drones are false and the Isaac information is true. My gut tells me that Isaac came forth because of the Chad/Raj pictures but that they are not real or actually linked to the Isaac technology. Then again, my gut had several beers last night.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DXF on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:25pm

This is a fascinating case. The coincidences that one would have to sweep under the rug to comfortably rule this all a hoax are staggering.

One person here was saying in another post that the photo copied docs are too good a quality for copiers of that time. He neglected to read that the DOD snitch said he took some original documents and original photos. Some of that is what he furnished. Problem solved.

My gut feeling is that the DOD snitch's story is true and his ducuments are authentic.

I also believe that the numerous photos taken by different people and in different places are real. Try to fake a UFO picture where it is above a telephone pole.
Good luck with that.

Also the writing symbols on several of the craft photos clearly seem to be the same type of symbols in the DOD snitch's documents. One of the snitch drawings shows the exact same 6 pronged piece that appears on some of the craft photos.

Too many people have come forward with sighting reports and many with pictures for it to be a hoax. The objects in each sighting are very similar and yet slightly different.

The logical conclusion with all the photos, testimonials and the DOD snitch report, is that people are seeing these things just as they have described and that the snitch report is true. That's my take.

DXF




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:26pm

HEY OUTTHERE; I have said this all alone ; now you could be right about stan friedman; my opion on stan is he is a double agent in the ufo field. wink
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:29pm

I want to start this post by stating that we need to treat this as hoax or not hoax. Prove or disprove it, but don't try to assign a reason for a hoax then look for evidence to support the reason. Let the evidence stand for itself. For what it is worth, I do not think this is a marketing gimmick for anyone or anything. I won't post what I really think about the Transformer/H.A.L.O. theory. Suffice it to say it would be a crazed rant against it.

If "Isaac" had just come out of nowhere with his story and documents, the hoax theory would have more weight.

This is not what happened. "Isaac" released his info in RESPONSE to numerous recent sightings and photos. I put together a simple time line of witness reports and how many people saw the "drones".

1987 - Barksdale AFB, Louisiana - 1 person
Witness states: "The Birmingham photo appears to be REAL. In addition, it EXACTLY MATCHES the unit I saw on display at the Barksdale Air Show as discussed above."

October 1995 - Sitgreaves National Forest, Arizona - 1 person

May 2005 - Sequoia National Park, CA - 2 people

May 2006 - Birmingham, Alabama - 1 person

June 10, 2006 - Yosemite National Park, CA - 3 people

May 5, 2007 - Lake Tahoe, CA - 2 people

May 6, 2007 - Central California - 1 person

May 16, 2007 - Capitola, CA - 4 people

June 5, 2007 - Big Basin State Park, CA - 1 person

June 5, 2007 - Big Basin State Park, CA - 8 people

June 26, 2007 - Isaac Report

The earliest reported sighting was the 1987 Barksdale AFB hanger encounter. That witness reported:

"There was even a brochure, but I recall only that I may
have picked it up briefly and looked at it, then put it
back down. It had an artist's rendering of the unit on
display. Unfortunately, I don't have the brochure.

I don't remember what the thing was called, but it was
some kind of surveillance or intelligence gathering
drone."

PACL Q4-86 Report p2 lists one of the four key subjects studied in that quarter as "three dimensional image recorder/projector"

This is in line with the "brochure" listing the hanger object's use as an intelligence gathering drone, thus tying the earliest reported sighting to the most recent documents. That sighting is also contemporaneous with the Isaac report.

If you assume this to be a hoax then you must assume that the 24 reported witnesses prior to the "Isaac" report are either:

1. All the same person. LMH has spoken with men and women so this cannot be the case.

2. Are all in league with each other. During LMH's interviews and research she has obtained their locations. In order for this to be a hoax requires the geographically disparate individuals to be known to each other or their locations also hoaxed/spoofed. Possible I suppose.

3. Are individual hoaxers expanding on each others hoaxed sightings. If this is the case, why the different versions of the craft? Even the known CGI hoaxers just recreated the reported craft. They did not vary or expand on the design as is shown in the various photos. I find this option very unlikely.

I personally do not think this is a hoax. However that does not mean that I am not still looking at this with a critical eye.

A few quotes from the (fictitious? wrong thread for that discussion) man we are all trying to emulate right now, Sherlock Holmes.

"Detection is, or ought to be, an exact science and should be treated in the same cold and unemotional manner."

"There are no better instruments than discharged servants with a grievance, and I was lucky enough to find one."

"We must look for consistency. Where there is want of it we must suspect deception."

"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

"Never trust to general impressions, my boy, but concentrate yourself upon details."

"Crime is common. Logic is rare. Therefore it is upon the logic rather than upon the crime that you should dwell."

"What do the public, the great unobservant public, who could hardly tell a weaver by his tooth or a compositor by his left thumb, care about the finer shades of analysis and deduction!"

"There is no branch of detective science which is so important and so much neglected as the art of tracing footsteps."

"Where a crime is coolly premeditated, then the means of coverting it are coolly premeditated also."

And a final quote for all of us Sherlocks

"The faculty of deduction is certainly contagious."
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Outthere on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:30pm

I have never heard that Stan Friedman might double. I have always thought that he has surprisingly clear mind about all of this and reaches his own conclusions in his own time.

Out of my ignorance, why woud the government want somebody like him anyway?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by starsigndavid on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:34pm

Does anyone know if ANY of this has been picked up by any "mainstream" press or outlets anywhere. I am a naive newbie, but I can't believe that this is not worthy of SOME mention, SOMEWHERE, in other outlets.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:35pm

TO the guest whom ever you are very well put thank you . from what you wrote and I wrote another conformation thank you once again JUDGEMENT. cool
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:36pm

Gotta love a post with about 20 references to "DOD snitch" or "snitch" - luv it! Can we get an official count!? All this talk about snitches, I feel like I'm in Compton.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Outthere on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:38pm


Thanks for posting the list WatchingWaiting.

Isn't strange that if someone saw this in 1987 in a hanger, then that would be either during or right after Isaac's employment at PACL?

While Isaac was working on his smaller models, someone else that was perhaps further along was developing a full scale (?) prototype. The piece in the hanger might or might not have worked. It could have been just schematic.

Not surprising, it means that that information was not being shared between people (or companies) that were working on the project.

This is neither here nor there but interesting.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:44pm

THEY TRAINED OSAMA DID THEY NOT SO HOW DO WE NO WHOM THEY MAY HAVE, BESIDES I DONT HEAR THEM TELLING US NOTHING WE DID NOT HAVE OR DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THE EQUIPMENT THEY HAVE SO WE DO THEY TELL US OH IT CAN BE EXPLAINED, SWAMP GAS BOLLON,s ECT, NEED I SAY MORE THAN that why because stan sites on history channel and say that other ufologist are hoaxs thats why they would have him. question/ huh;I herd stan say bob lazarr was laying/ like I said rely on you self first you cant lie to your self. winkI KNOW FOR A FACT THAT BJ MEANS US ALL WELL I DO NOT NEED YOU OR NO ONE FOR THAT MATTER TO TELL ME ABOUT BJ/ ONLY BOARD MEMBERS COMPLAINT ABOUT WHAT I WRITE <NOT BJ I THANK HIM FOR ALOWING ME TO BE HERE. DONT TELL ME ABOUT SOME THING THAT I HAVE ALREADY ASKED OR WROTE ABOUT CHECK BACK ON ALL MY POST,s. MIND YOUR MIND FOR THE JEWELS OF YOUR SOUL. FEELING,s GET IN THE WAY OF tHE truth at times SO THOSE OF YOU THAT THAT CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH SHOULD JUST EITHER SAY I DONT KNOW OR LEAVE IT ALONE. IAM NOT TO CRTICIZE NO ONE BUT IF DONT TRUST THEM I WILL SAY WITH OUT BITING MY TONGUE. OVERSTAN.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:44pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:36pm, jlc767 wrote:
Gotta love a post with about 20 references to "DOD snitch" or "snitch" - luv it! Can we get an official count!?


Yes! why the sudden disparagement of Isaac? Does "DOD snitch" indicate presence of DOD posters? Isaac seems to be very conscious of security (blacked out setions) while revealing an underlying set of facts.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:48pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:50pm, spiffy wrote:
Oops, nevermind, just saw you opened the new thread. Thanks.

Everyone who, like me, wants to explore all the possible sources for the Issac material, meet me over in yonder thread:
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182283823&start=0


There ya go spiffy lol

Should I prepare a debunker thread for you too? lol


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Outthere on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:49pm



One more thing. Stan Friedman did not think that this was real, but in Corso's Day After Roswell, Corso would talk about how he farmed out E.T. technology to American companies to see if it could be developed into something "useful".

PACL could have been one of the groups that Corso farmed that technology out to.

To be fair, some people have felt that The Day After Roswell is something less than accurate but it does dovetail with Isaac's report.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DXF on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:50pm

The DOD Snitch works for me!

DXF

on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:36pm, jlc767 wrote:
Gotta love a post with about 20 references to "DOD snitch" or "snitch" - luv it! Can we get an official count!? All this talk about snitches, I feel like I'm in Compton.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DXF on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:55pm

Davenport does not try to debunk everyone. What a crock!

DXF


Allot of UFO investigators are government people.
A good example is Peter Davenport or NUFORC who tries to debunk everyone.
Some of the MUFON people and others organizations also work for the government.
This is a known fact.

I will tell you who is not Bias.
BJ the owner of this site and is a straght shooter who brings to light many events that would be otherwise unreported!

[/quote]
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:57pm

If this is now in the wrong thread, slap me smiley . I'm getting confused!

Transformer artifact art - could have used crop circles as a reference. Won't be the first time these were used as models for alien writing, or the last.

Way out thought - Isaac states that the linguistics or symbols function as both the program and the execution / manifestation of the "command". Think about crop circles for a moment. If they are also a form of linguistics (uncanny resemblance to the Isaac symbols), what might they be interfacing with? The brain is basically a bio-computer (wild, I warned you). Might these symbols be a "trigger" of sorts. Don't blow this off too quickly. Symbols have been used since the dawn of time to trigger a response. How did you react when you first saw the Isaac symbols? What emotional response did they trigger in YOU? I'd love to get an honest take on this - regardless of what you believe their origin to be. My response: these are beautiful (and I can expound on that).
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DXF on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:58pm

I like DOD snitch better! That's why!

DXF


Yes! why the sudden disparagement of Isaac? Does "DOD snitch" indicate presence of DOD posters? Isaac seems to be very conscious of security (blacked out setions) while revealing an underlying set of facts. [/quote]
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:01pm

If there is another report of a drone....let's nail down some real facts.

If the drone appears over trees or a power line and is foto'd without a reference object for sizing, then something important is missing.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:01pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 12:56pm, jlc767 wrote:
How do they communicate? Telepathically? I'd love to meet them, but I don't think I could do it alone.


Answer at this location

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1106747571
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:09pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:01pm, Farmboy wrote:
If there is another report of a drone....let's nail down some real facts.

If the drone appears over trees or a power line and is foto'd without a reference object for sizing, then something important is missing.


What's missing is that they aren't photographed in a clear blue sky but are being photographed amongst all of those things that a photog can peg.

If I had something to hide, I wouldn't add insult to injury, I would have picked a clear blue sky. Why didn't they?

If the trees or the powerlines don't coincide with the craft based on the distances then that's another thing and you pitch the photo in the trash.

Nobody is complaining about the distances however. They're into discovering a lack of or too many pixels that don't belong. I found a lack of pixels in the Big Basin thread, which led me to think that - that one was a photoshop job - strike 1. The two involved in the story are both photographers. And, one of the two is a photographer by trade - strike 2. They were suppose to get back to the webmaster here and never did and we were the originator of the story for them - strike 3.

I don't think that they want people asking questions about their work for whatever reason they have.

Personally, I have dismissed the BigBasin drone due to the pixels.

.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:13pm

I've been looking at the PACL Q3-85 Inventory Review p56 image. This may be obvious to some but I thought I'd point out some observations about it.

First of all the image was rotated prior to the numbers being placed on the objects. To view the image as it was taken it needs to be rotated clockwise.

The objects are on a large paved area like a tarmac. Notice the "pothole" near object 16.

There are tire tracks near object 13. Using an estimate of 6 feet between tires we can estimate the size of the objects. Ford F-150 trucks have a width of 6.5 ft and Ford Taurus have width of 6.2 ft, so 6 ft should be a conservative number.

Using that info:

Object 13 = approx 21 ft diameter
Object 14a = approx 42 ft diameter
Object 14b = approx 60 ft diameter
Object 15 = approx 27 ft wide
Object 16 = approx 90 ft diameter

These are VERY rough estimates that are very likely low. I did not take time for more precise measurements.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:18pm

Wow. Now that's some great analysis WW. Thanks, I'm going to go revisit that image.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by JustJakob on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:20pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:14pm, Outthere wrote:
I have been reading this sight for a few days and here are a couple of things I have been thinking about. It seems like some people might want to group all of the informations relating to the drones including the photos, movies, and documents from Isaac as being 100% true or 100% false. I think as always, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

One problem I have had with the photos of the drones is the sharpness of the images and how difficult it is to really understand what is the scale of these objects. If you take picture of a plane or a helicopter the the pictures are never this sharp. I think that is strange.

It is also weird that so many different people have had eye witness accounts of seeing the drones. We are gettting alot of information from alot of different sources that more or less corroborate one another. So I think that some one has to put together a website where each photo can be examined and evaluated individually.

The sharpness of the photo could result from at least two reasons:

1. It's hoax and the images were generated on comptuer.

2. If the drones do operate in an electromagnetic field could that somehow sharpen the images.

Everyone knows that further something is away the blurrier it gets, that does not seem to be the case with these images.

In Isaac's report, I think that it is strange that the word Extra Terrestrial is on the very front page. Maybe the military has so many accronyms that even they have a hard time keeping track and they need to be reminded on the front cover. That's my opinion.

I did, however, find the text compelling. If what he is saying is true, I thought that the text was written in a way to convey these ideas to the military. And let's be honest, these ideas are really out there, excuse the pun.

I found that the documents were reasonably consistent even though I am no expert and am being exposed to these ideas for the first time like everyone else.

I think it might be helpful to imagine some different scenario's that might help broaden this discussion. What if some of the information is true and some of it is false? How do we decide?

What if the drone pictures and the movies are faked but, in a weird synchonicity, it sort of resembled the work being done in a military lab in Palo Alto in the eighties? And then what if the some of the stories of the eye witnesses are true? How would we know?

I think it is very difficult to guess the motivations of everyone involved with contributing "evidence" to this discussion.

One thing we know about Isaac is that either he put the original report together or had access to the raw materials. This easy because the clear photo scans match the pictures of the report.

The technology and the "language" he describes is strange, but there have been reports of writing on UFO's since Roswell. It just that the writing never made any sense to us. More importantly, the reason of the writing never made any sense to us.

Perhaps if it is a programming language and not a sign or some kind of story, it is slowly beginning to make sense of what we are dealing with and why it kept turning up.

It is strange that we have not seen these kind of craft until recently and then all of a sudden the flood gates have been open. I know there was a case in 1995 but still it seems like all of a sudden we have become saturated.

I think that we are dealing with alot of information and alot of disinformation. Someone has to figure out a clever way to seperate the wheat from the chaff so to speak.

Has anyone asked Stan Friedman what he thinks?


This i VERY interesting guys. Pay attention for what is comming (:
jakob_ahler@hotmail.com


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Outthere on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:23pm


WatchingWaiting,

Can you post the picture, or could you at least post the link the photo that you are looking at?

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:23pm

When I first saw this whole thing on C2C I was in awe. The more I read if Isaac's letter the more I got sucked in. But then, then I saw them. Those symbols on that diagram. Beautiful is the only way to describe them. I don't think that humans have the ability to create something so complex like that. I mean, if you look closely there are symbols within symbols within symbols. And Isaac's explanation as to what they were and how they work is just to believable for me to dismiss. They essentially look like functional art. Like a machine of gears and belts but beautifully put together.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Outthere on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:32pm


I found the image.

Sometimes it is so hard to find the things that are right in front of you. smiley

WatchingWaiting, you might be right about the scale but I thought the grid in the background was floor tiles. I did not think that they would be sitting outside on a tarmac or something.

If they are that big, do think that are segments of a UFO? Just laid side by side and not stacked up.

If that is the case it does fit with what Isaac said in his story,but who knows?

I thought it was interesting in the report that it said that engines were so heavy that no aircraft could support them until they were turned on.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:34pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:29pm, jlc767 wrote:
do you think the government (or whoever) would let a pot-hole THAT big develop and get that out of control? I think not. That pot-hole would stop a tractor trailer!pronto.


Are you kidding - you should see my street!!!!! LOL

I'd like to know what this paper says:
User Image
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:35pm

NOTE ON SIZE: If this is average size document paper, that effects the size estimate.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:38pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:57pm, MarkM wrote:
Isaac states that the linguistics or symbols function as both the program and the execution / manifestation of the "command". Think about crop circles for a moment. If they are also a form of linguistics (uncanny resemblance to the Isaac symbols), what might they be interfacing with? The brain is basically a bio-computer (wild, I warned you). Might these symbols be a "trigger" of sorts.


Quote:
Symbols have been used since the dawn of time to trigger a response. How did you react when you first saw the Isaac symbols? What emotional response did they trigger in YOU? I'd love to get an honest take on this - regardless of what you believe their origin to be. My response: these are beautiful (and I can expound on that).


I responded with WOW and WOW, you're right, symbols do trigger the response in the brain.

Gee, maybe ET's raising us right now. lol

That's true though because everything that has to do with the senses makes us what we are and a lot of it comes directly from the eye (sight).


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:40pm

Quote:
I'd like to know what this paper says...


That's a stretch.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:41pm

As far as their size being too huge to do anything, re-read section 4.1 of the PACL Q4-86 Report p3. It specifically mentions "enormous form factors and impractical weights."
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:50pm

To explain how I came up with the sizes, I did it the quick and dirty way. I could spend time measuring pixels, etc, but I think I'll let someone else do that. I put it out there as a starting point.

Use the hires version.

Take a piece of paper and make a mark noting each tire track.

Now start at one side of an object, place your mark on the edge, make a note of where the second mark is, move 1st mark to 2nd mark's location and repeat.

Don't forget to count.

Multiply x 6.

Individual results may vary.

I know it is a very crude method, but anyone can do it without using a graphics program or printing it out.

btw, as far as the pothole, it could also be an oil stain that did not stick to the painted stripe. There appear to be similar "stains" near 14b.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Outthere on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:51pm


Looking at the same image. I think that what you are referring to as the pot hole is in the lower right of the image.

Why does the line cross directly over the "pot hole" and not get really jagged or curved as would happen if you painted a line on a street with pot holes.

The other option that the line is hanging in the air or was added later does not make sense either because in both cases the it should be on top of the largest element, number 16.

I am not sure how what the solution might be. Maybe somebody sees something else.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:53pm

Good call on the line being over the pot-hole. Odd. Something is definitely amiss with that line.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WT on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:54pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:29pm, jlc767 wrote:
2. Why are the concrete slabs (tarmac or whatever) to the left of the white line half the width of the slabs to the right? Trivial, I know, but I gotta ask.


Could the white line be one of an airfield?

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:56pm

My guess would be that it's some type of cement filler or caulking. I wondered the same thing.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Outthere on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:57pm


By looking at the shadows, the image would have to be taken at close to noon in the summer because the shadows are almost directly under the objects.

However, the shadows would also be nearly under the objects if there was top lighting and they were placed on a table or the floor.

Are there other things besides tire track that we can use to determine scale?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:58pm

Has anyone thought about the mid 80's Bob Lazar interview? I remember him saying that when he was back engineering the UFO he was assigned to that he saw no physical components like bolts or wires. I think a machine like the one Isaac presents us is part of what holds theses UFOs together and components in place during flight. It all makes so much sense now.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:00pm

Isaac also mentions the same anti-gravity generator which can be focused or broadened just like Lazar mentioned.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Outthere on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:01pm



The angle of the shadow on object 13 seems at more of an angle than on object 16.

If that is true, somebody smarter than me can figure out the distance to the light source. Or whether the photograph was taken inside or outside, and hence the scale.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:05pm

could the white line have anything to do with the process of being photocopied or scanned? Because it just looks like it doesn't belong, regardless of it being above the "pot-hole"...

Ugh, I got nothin'...
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:11pm

After looking at the "pothole" a little more I am thinking it may be a stain on the pavement. Depending on the kind of paint and the liquid, it may not have stained the paint.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:19pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:08pm, WT wrote:
Don't know if this is important but here's some info about the 27.com site:


We moved all the Bungie, HALO, HALO3 and Transformer posts to the following address. Please post such things over there now.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182283823
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:20pm

[quote author=jlc767 link=board=general&num=1182908022&start=284#18 date=1183058976]WatchingWaiting,

Nice find on the "pot-hole" and "tire tracks",...
1. What's up with the white line? It's clearly underneath the artifact, but why is it white?

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Doubt tire tracks...this would make the slab seams 2ft across!!

White line ....not a line...think it is transparent tape or ribbon...whiteness is reflection off the surface facing camera? ...seems to be slightly twisted inside the big ring in one spot so it doesn't reflect but is slightly transparent at that point. Maybe the pieces are laid out on a big sheet of mylar/some sheeting? Look at a slight crinkling below ribbon just to left of the big ring.

Weight - suspect extreme density (hence 2-4ft diam of big ring) from material processing (like depleted uranioum sabots which i've worked with). Didn't Isaac say his team measured weight of a few ounces for components? Maybe i'm losing track but i do note the statement about a device needed to load the device.

Paper under the big ring...maybe not since the bottom of 8x11 sheet would show on other side of ring...think this is not paper sheet but some other artifact maybe a prop/rest to make lifting easier.

huh
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Outthere on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:28pm


That's sharp eyes with the ribbon/tape. I could not understand how a painted line could twist like that. Maybe because it is not painted.

The ribbon might also be a seam betwen two pieces of plastic or something. So that perhaps the tarmac lines are where the plastic was folded.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:29pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:08pm, WT wrote:
Don't know if this is important but here's some info about the 27.com site:

WhoIs Results for 27.com
Contact Type Registrant
Organization Name:
First Name: Matt
Last Name: Asher
Address 1: 1406 W. 10th St
Address 2:
City: Medford


And then I googled for the "+x yx7+" thing and found:
http://www.myspace.com/7950337


But this Matt is from UK!! with a drone photo displayed? What's the deal? Seems someone is stirring the pot....DOD?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:46pm

Don't confuse the small "personal" anti gravity device in the color photos with the very large objects in the black and white halftone picture. The large objects are in the same size range as the flying sightings. The small device was shown to give an example of the writing seen on the larger flying objects.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:52pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:32pm, WatchingWaiting wrote:
ATO, is there anyway to remove that funky post? I'm not sure why it posted like that.


The Sherlock Holmes post - no way I like that. I'm copying your quotes out for my Skepticim and Fact or Theory threads.

Is that the one you meant?

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Outthere on Jun 28th, 2007, 3:58pm

I am not sure that this photo was taken outside. The differences in the shadows indicate a light source that it is relatively close to the objects, maybe mulitple light sources.

Second the white line, is consistent with a tape/ribbon/seam that might not necessary if it the photos was outside. The line might have been there for scale but why only measure part of one object?

Third if this objects were outside at high noon then not only could they take this photograph but they would be in full view of satellites on this sunny day (note sharp and not soft shadows). That does not seem like a good way to keep a secret.

From Isaac's report were large craft created/attempted? That would seem likely. I just do not think that this is a picture of one (or a few).
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:10pm

Any opinions re the ghost language images, behind the readily visible images, on the components in the series of PACL Q4-86 Report Photo 4.1-4?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:17pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:13pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
WE HAVE SOME VERY WEIRD THINGS GOING ON HERE AT THE CASEBOOK.


This stinks.



Please check DXF'. His post #273 doesn't make sense unless it's a warning or some kind of message...it merely pastes a previous post #267.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:22pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:23pm, 5150 wrote:
Good point. In fact, I've been thinking that if I was forced to choose an absolute true/false in this I would say that the Chad/Raj drones are false and the Isaac information is true. My gut tells me that Isaac came forth because of the Chad/Raj pictures but that they are not real or actually linked to the Isaac technology. Then again, my gut had several beers last night.


Why would you think that? I guess the fact that Isaac has 20 year old pictures of the exact same parts that are on the Raj drone never occurred to you?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:23pm

I did a Google search for "commercial applications research for extraterrestrial technology" and this is the first site that came up:

http://ovnis-usa.com/

Now, it looks like this guy/gal has done a TON of research on this stuff, but it's all in a language I don't recognize! Any of you know what language this is so we can translate it?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by RoH on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:30pm

Hi, I just worket in a construction hall with this kind of concrete slabs, I think they where 3m x 6m (9ft x 18ft)

I got a picture of it somewhere...
but how do I upload the images?

The white strip is the metall beams, 5cm width.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:30pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:22pm, Latitude wrote:
Why would you think that? I guess the fact that Isaac has 20 year old pictures of the exact same parts that are on the Raj drone never occurred to you?


This is a major observation...searle...Isaac....drones... Isaac seems to be filling in the gaps in a line of factoids, events, observations. Which is why his material has a ring of authenticity....it's just so logical. Is this a big scam like a find -the-next-clue game? Or are we "live" and about to see the sky really open up?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:39pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:23pm, 5150 wrote:
I did a Google search for "commercial applications research for extraterrestrial technology" and this is the first site that came up:

http://ovnis-usa.com/

Now, it looks like this guy/gal has done a TON of research on this stuff, but it's all in a language I don't recognize! Any of you know what language this is so we can translate it?


Nice!
there's a very convincing visual logic linking the Isaac language to crop circles.

Would like to learn how to post images.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:40pm



Scratch the hacker problem it's the server. I'm sure it is. BJ said that its been like this for over a day now. Still copying this stuff out though. Don't trust anyone and, the guest post had nothing to do with it, it was just suspicious because I didnt know who it was and I didn't read the post, come to find out, I do know the guest so - its just the server messing up.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:41pm

Looks like the Motherlode - how do we translate from French? Babblefish?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:44pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:13pm, WatchingWaiting wrote:
I've been looking at the PACL Q3-85 Inventory Review p56 image. This may be obvious to some but I thought I'd point out some observations about it.

First of all the image was rotated prior to the numbers being placed on the objects. To view the image as it was taken it needs to be rotated clockwise.

The objects are on a large paved area like a tarmac. Notice the "pothole" near object 16.

There are tire tracks near object 13. Using an estimate of 6 feet between tires we can estimate the size of the objects. Ford F-150 trucks have a width of 6.5 ft and Ford Taurus have width of 6.2 ft, so 6 ft should be a conservative number.

Using that info:

Object 13 = approx 21 ft diameter
Object 14a = approx 42 ft diameter
Object 14b = approx 60 ft diameter
Object 15 = approx 27 ft wide
Object 16 = approx 90 ft diameter

These are VERY rough estimates that are very likely low. I did not take time for more precise measurements.


Watchingwaiting or may I call you WW, first welcome aboard. You have made some outstanding posts so far. I too saw the tire tracks yesterday but must point out they more likely are caused by a forklift or baggage hauler, which would have a smaller track. If you want to estimate the size it might be easier to measure the Raj drone part and use it as a reference. It is much more certain to gauge the size of the Raj drone againt the power pole.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:51pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:56pm, MarkM wrote:
My guess would be that it's some type of cement filler or caulking. I wondered the same thing.


It's a plastic expansion joint. Quite common with concrete slabs.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:53pm

http://ovnis-usa.com/

It looks like the Canadians have put everything on one site. Great find 5150! Wish I could read French, there's one frame that's bothering me and I'd like to know if it's a mock up or an actual freeze frame from the movie.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:53pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 1:34pm, starsigndavid wrote:
Does anyone know if ANY of this has been picked up by any "mainstream" press or outlets anywhere. I am a naive newbie, but I can't believe that this is not worthy of SOME mention, SOMEWHERE, in other outlets.


he, he - we've been living like this for how many years? Do you think they are going to be interested now? Some things never change.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:54pm

Of course there are all kinds of vehicles that could have made the tracks and I did consider the numerous types of vehicles in an airport environment. I chose to use car or truck type dimensions simply because the tracks did not appear to be from putting the objects in position. I could also imagine personnel there looking them over before moving out of the camera shot. The tracks could also have been made days or weeks earlier and unrelated to the objects.

So, yes, the dimensions could be off and I'm sure they are by some amount.

As far as the stripe being twisted...
I've seen plenty of road stripes peeling up and as a kid I even helped a few achieve freedom the their asphalt captors. So I can easily imagine a fold or torn section in such a stripe.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:56pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:40pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Scratch the hacker problem it's the server. I'm sure it is. BJ said that its been like this for over a day now. Still copying this stuff out though. Don't trust anyone and, the guest post had nothing to do with it, it was just suspicious because I didnt know who it was and I didn't read the post, come to find out, I do know the guest so - its just the server messing up.


OMF had a server malfunction about two weeks ago that lost over 90 pages of posts. Coincidence?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:57pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:53pm, MarkM wrote:
http://ovnis-usa.com/

It looks like the Canadians have put everything on one site. Great find 5150! Wish I could read French, there's one frame that's bothering me and I'd like to know if it's a mock up or an actual freeze frame from the movie.


This should work for the linguistically challenged.
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fovnis-usa.com%2F&langpair=fr|en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

If that doesn't work, go to Google, pick language tools, then paste http://ovnis-usa.com into the translate web page box. Don't forget to select French to English.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:59pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:34pm, MarkM wrote:
I'd like to know what this paper says:
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MarkM, what paper are you seeing? I apologize if this question is irrelevant but I'm trying my best to keep up and do a job at the same time!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:09pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:17pm, Farmboy wrote:
Please check DXF'. His post #273 doesn't make sense unless it's a warning or some kind of message...it merely pastes a previous post #267.


It's not DXF's doing though. This problem above I've discovered four times now. Someone will post and then suddenly their post also goes into the previous post somehow and removes that posters post. Scary.

Anyway, hopefully the problem has been fixed but if not PM me right away because we're losing posts when this happens.

You're looking for a duplicate post next to your own but with someone elses name on it.

LOL, gotta laugh. What we're doing is wiping out each others posts. We're the hackers.




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:13pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:23pm, 5150 wrote:
I did a Google search for "commercial applications research for extraterrestrial technology" and this is the first site that came up:

http://ovnis-usa.com/

Now, it looks like this guy/gal has done a TON of research on this stuff, but it's all in a language I don't recognize! Any of you know what language this is so we can translate it?


That is a UFO website and that information is Isaac's letter to Coast to Coast. It looks to be A French website.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:15pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:30pm, RoH wrote:
I got a picture of it somewhere...
but how do I upload the images?


DOWNLOADING & UPLOADING PICTURES TO POST

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=tips&action=display&num=1130555583



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:17pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:05pm, Vel wrote:
Guys please read my new post on all of this

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&action=display&num=1183067658&start=0#1183067658


Ha ha. The same saladfingers disinfo cgi videos. They get the newbs every time. He made those supposedly as an exercise to illustrate how close a cgi expert could get to the real pics. None of his creations came very close to the real thing. He is now nothing more than a debunker disinfo type over on the omf board.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:18pm

IF - huge, giant, glowing, bright red IF - this is NOT a fantastic hoax, please remember this image. It could well be a key.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:19pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:41pm, MarkM wrote:
Looks like the Motherlode - how do we translate from French? Babblefish?


it's easier then all that Mark. lol Just go to page one here in this thread. It's all the same thing we have here.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:21pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:13pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That is a UFO website and that information is Isaac's letter to Coast to Coast. It looks to be A French website.



I know him from the OMF board. He's a smart guy and is on the real side of the argument and always has been.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:22pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:18pm, MarkM wrote:
IF - huge, giant, glowing, bright red IF - this is NOT a fantastic hoax, please remember this image. It could well be a key.
User Image


There's a lot more of that too. I've seen those before in the Tesla threads. Are you seeking in Google "Images"?


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:26pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:44pm, Latitude wrote:
Watchingwaiting or may I call you WW, first welcome aboard. You have made some outstanding posts so far. I too saw the tire tracks yesterday but must point out they more likely are caused by a forklift or baggage hauler, which would have a smaller track. If you want to estimate the size it might be easier to measure the Raj drone part and use it as a reference. It is much more certain to gauge the size of the Raj drone againt the power pole.


That's what I was thinking was out there already anyway because that cameraman sure as heck isn't that tall. I think the cameraman is standing in a boom or similar. Maybe a utility truck of some kind with a boom attached.

And Yes, WatchingWaiting has come up with some great finds and excellent posts.

.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:31pm

ATO - actually I stumbled onto the Tesla diagram while researching the crop circle symbols.

The French site has some additional material but I can't get the translation function to work past a certain point (which, of course, contains the part I want).
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:31pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:56pm, Latitude wrote:
OMF had a server malfunction about two weeks ago that lost over 90 pages of posts. Coincidence?


Doubt it. I don't know what server they use. Ours is really making me mad because I still can't post those pictures that are just sitting there dead on page 1. And most of the forum gifs a kaput too - still.

What section of the forum did they lose?

It'll happen, I have no patience is all.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:38pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:41pm, MarkM wrote:
Looks like the Motherlode - how do we translate from French? Babblefish?


the French site (OVNIS-usa.com) is full of impressive analyses but again there is no conclusive ending despite leads going to AR sites, Halo, Transformer images that are almost exact twin to the CHAD fotos, etc.

OVNIS in fact cites a 1974 french sighting that is close to our current Drone device. This whole project has layers and layers. Reality or believability fades in and out.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:40pm

Here are two images from the French site. Georgia 1997 and Italy 1999. I've never seen these before.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:42pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:54pm, WatchingWaiting wrote:
Of course there are all kinds of vehicles that could have made the tracks and I did consider the numerous types of vehicles in an airport environment. I chose to use car or truck type dimensions ..

So, yes, the dimensions could be off and I'm sure they are by some amount.

As far as the stripe being twisted...
I've seen plenty of road stripes peeling up and as a kid I even helped a few achieve freedom the their asphalt captors. So I can easily imagine a fold or torn section in such a stripe.


The OVNIS, french language site calculates the ring diamter to be about 5.8ft in the Chad drone.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:44pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:40pm, MarkM wrote:
Here are two images from the French site. Georgia 1997 and Italy 1999. I've never seen these before.



have seen them posted elsewhere.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:51pm

hey you all; I went to the ovis site and besides the crop circle patern that makes a match if you look at wheel 16 and i remember some one or one of the photo taker,s said some thing about it apears then disapear; well as I was saying about the gear or wheel 16 it resemble the star gate, in the movie star gate take a look again and tell me what you think if their is any relation. cool
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 6:05pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:40pm, MarkM wrote:
Here are two images from the French site. Georgia 1997 and Italy 1999. I've never seen these before.


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Mark, is that the country of Georgia or our state of Georgia. That Italian drone is in here in the BigBasin thread and a separate thread in UFO Sightings more recently.

.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 6:09pm

Sorry, folks, I guess I missed that one. Hard to keep up with all of this!

I won't be able to get the C2C broadcast, hope someone will give us an update ASAP smiley!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 6:33pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:31pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
What section of the forum did they lose?


They had the entire drone case in one thread. Right about the time that Raj's flickr account got hacked the thread was up to about 120 pages, then suddenly it only had the last 30 or so. They blamed the host but never got an explanation from them. They then instituted a policy of ending threads at a maximum of 50 pages and starting new ones.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 28th, 2007, 6:47pm

this is clever:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z2/cadeseus/ufo-88-unveiled-language-cropcircle.jpg

anyhow, note the bar code halo around the central "logo" in the Caret diagram swirlies.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:03pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 6:33pm, Latitude wrote:
They had the entire drone case in one thread. Right about the time that Raj's flickr account got hacked the thread was up to about 120 pages, then suddenly it only had the last 30 or so. They blamed the host but never got an explanation from them. They then instituted a policy of ending threads at a maximum of 50 pages and starting new ones.


Well, things are still going on in here too. I just notice that the views for this thread dropped back to zero again like it did yesterday. undecided At least now we know it's defaulting at a round number. This thread is at 13,342 views now.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:06pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 6:47pm, Farmboy wrote:
this is clever:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z2/cadeseus/ufo-88-unveiled-language-cropcircle.jpg

anyhow, note the bar code halo around the central "logo" in the Caret diagram swirlies.


That's what I thought this was too.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:12pm

RE: The Inventory Review Page (With The Circles)

Sorry if this has been covered but I’ve never seen it and it's been troubling me since I first looked at the picture.

Imagine if number 15 was a complete circle like the others, wouldn’t you be able to see the side of it.

Look at the angle of the other rings, yet you can’t see any part of any side on #15.

Incidentally, I’ve always thought the picture looked more at home turned 90 degrees as is here. Plus it would seem that the circles would fit perfectly and chronologically inside each other. Apart from #15 which is also the only one that looks out of place.

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I also compiled all of the Isaac documentation into a couple of pdf’s if any body wants to download them then Click/ Here. (Zip File)

There’s only two PDF’s, the letter and the scanned/photocopied documents, but I left the scans at their original size which makes it very easy to zoom right in on the finest of details. Also it makes looking through the typed photocopies a lot easier.

Hope it’s useful……

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:25pm

Object 15 is an attachment seen in some of the flying photos. The shape lends itself to have one surface laying flat on the ground or at least tipped onto the points. Check the Rajman photos.

I have been reading the Canadian info and examining their analysis. I think they may have made some mistakes and I am taking my time to be sure before I say anything here.

I can say that out of the objects in the inventory photo, at least the Rajman photos appear to be the based on the smallest "ring". The curved attachment in the Rajman craft is approximately the same width as the ring diameter. That appears to be the case in the inventory photo as well.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:30pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:12pm, DrDil wrote:
RE: The Inventory Review Page (With The Circles)

Sorry if this has been covered but I’ve never seen it and it's been troubling me since I first looked at the picture.

Imagine if number 15 was a complete circle like the others, wouldn’t you be able to see the side of it.

Look at the angle of the other rings, yet you can’t see any part of any side on #15.


If you notice, the futher away the picture of each item, the more of the "side" you see.

I think this is a cameraman standing in a boom closest to 15 and 14b. This could just be the cameraman's angel because if you then look at the ones further away, you see more of the "sides" and not less.

Item 15 does have a side that I can see however it is flat and does not protrude like the other pieces. It's function is different as well as seen in the drone pictures.




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:36pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:30pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Item 15 does have a side that I can see however it is flat and does not protrude like the other pieces. It's function is different as well as seen in the drone pictures.

So, as this wouldn’t appear to fit (conventionally) in the structure and IF Isaac is truthful, do you think this is the equivalent of the I-Beam in his photos?

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:37pm



It appears that the protusions on 15 are touching the ground, which would lend it to lean forward and not be able to see the whole view of that side. The visible side on 15 also appears to be very short, maybe shorter then the other three sides allowing it to dip and touch the surface of the ground.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:42pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:40pm, MarkM wrote:
Here are two images from the French site. Georgia 1997 and Italy 1999. I've never seen these before.

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I recognize the Georgia 1997 craft as one from a much older photo or drawing. I need to look for it, but I think that the one I remember was pretty plainly a fantasy.

Maybe someone else remembers what I am talking about. In the old photo/drawing the vertical rods hanging down were actually landing gear.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:54pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:12pm, DrDil wrote:
RE: The Inventory Review Page (With The Circles)

Sorry if this has been covered but I’ve never seen it and it's been troubling me since I first looked at the picture.

Imagine if number 15 was a complete circle like the others, wouldn’t you be able to see the side of it.

Look at the angle of the other rings, yet you can’t see any part of any side on #15.

Incidentally, I’ve always thought the picture looked more at home turned 90 degrees as is here. Plus it would seem that the circles would fit perfectly and chronologically inside each other. Apart from #15 which is also the only one that looks out of place.



Does this clear it up?
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:07pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:54pm, Latitude wrote:
Does this clear it up?

Thankyou, I was aware of that but I said it looked out of place in the photo.
As if maybes someone was trying to establish the newly released documents/photos as part of the same Drone phenomenon.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:08pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:42pm, Farmboy wrote:
The OVNIS, french language site calculates the ring diamter to be about 5.8ft in the Chad drone.


Actually that is not the Chad drone but the Rajman. I'm currently trying to confirm their work, but I can tell you the poles in my area are larger that 9" diameter, they are closer to 12". I'm going out later to try to confirm not only pole diameter but the size of other powerline components seen in the photo to help establish scale.

They are basically saying the ring is 8 telephone pole diameters wide if the ring is at the same height as the top of the pole. If the pole is 12" diameter, then that makes it 8 feet wide if it is no higher than the pole, which of course it is. The tricky part is try to establish altitude and perspective.

I used approximately 3.5 tire tread widths wide to estimate the small ring's size based on a 6 foot distance between tire tracks. Of course it could have been a small utility vehicle like what is used around airports, so if as small as a 4 foot distance between tracks is used then that makes the small ring approximately 14 ft in diameter.

Now to try to find a way to determine altitude to establish perspective...
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:20pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:07pm, DrDil wrote:
Thankyou, I was aware of that but I said it looked out of place in the photo.
As if maybes someone was trying to establish the newly released documents/photos as part of the same Drone phenomenon.


OK. It looks like it's laying there on it's flat side as it normally would to me. I see nothing out of place. Don't you find it simply amazing that Isaac has 20 year old photos of parts that exactly match parts on the Raj and Big Basin photos? When I first saw that pic on Isaac's website my eyes almost popped out of their sockets.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:29pm

you guy,s seem to be doing a great job analizing this one to the letter great observation makes great out come. keep up the good work. cool
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:29pm

This is also the only piece that appears to be visibly damaged (cracked). That would be consistent with the assertion that it's from wreckage.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrkDrgn on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:32pm

This is interesting. We contacted several of our sources in the military about the strange craft. We sent them pictures. None of them have gotten back to us in 2 weeks. So after pounding the phones to get an answer from our people. The reply was typical.
"Drop it. You do not want to go there".
This is what we were told at 4REAL GROUP.
Our reply was why not? Everyone else is there or on there way.
The investigation continues in another direction. We are trying to verify the latest story given to coast to coast radio on what this craft might be.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:33pm

so that piece that you just show ed number 1, could it be posibly from if allien anoriginal part; markm? cool
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:36pm

Actually, judgment, that's part 15 (the 5 got cropped). Yes, perhaps part of the salvaged craft.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:37pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:29pm, MarkM wrote:
This is also the only piece that appears to be visibly damaged (cracked). That would be consistent with the assertion that it's from wreckage.


I believe that crack is normal. It's also in the Raj photo that way.

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But another one does show damage. I'll get an illustration together and post back.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:37pm

The way I see it DARK DRAGON; with the way you guys are handling this craft answer,s are just patince,s away with an interesting conclusion we are very close trust me on that. grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:41pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:37pm, Latitude wrote:
I believe that crack is normal..


I see what you're saying. It just looked a bit "jagged" to me.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:41pm

dont worry markm just do your thing; this is very interresting sincerly; cool
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:45pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:32pm, DarkDragon wrote:
...The reply was typical.
"Drop it. You do not want to go there"


who did you contact? maybe we should all start a campaign DEMANDING answers

can you document these replies? have you recorded the phone calls? give us contact info so we can do a little harassing of our own, its time to turn the tables and make a stink about this

thats newsworthy enough for some kind of coverage
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:51pm

HEY YOU ALL not to throw you all off can any one compare the writing,s on the craft; with the gilgamesh epics or the enuma elish tablets. those tablet,s are suposed to be of or writen by et. coolcorection not the tablet,s them selves just the writing,s from a copy of the tablet,s better. then let us continue.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by CloudBreak on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:03pm

Furthermore if you compare the big basin photos with the inventory photo, you can see that part 16 is the big side ring with the 4 spikes and part 14b is the ring on the opposite side. These two rings are placed upside down in the inventory photo compared to the big basin photo.

However, I lose track of the precise details of where this whole investigation is at. Is the concensus that the big basin photos are real or fake? The matching of parts would imply to me that they are as real as Isaac's documents!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:09pm

Lets see if this works.

I used one of the hi res Rajman photos to try to determine the size of the craft. By extending the telephone pole diameter into the air I was able to get close to the ballpark. I can assure you this is still not exact, but I'm zeroing in on it. I'm having to use an old computer, my powerhouse matchine with all of my graphics programs is out of commission at the moment.

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Extending the pole diameter shows the craft's ring to be at least 14 "poles" wide. Now I stopped extending the perspective as soon as the lines touched the craft, so I will end up with a conservative number. In fact I am certain I am low.

If it is 14 feet or so in diameter this would coincide with the black and white inventory photo of object 13.

Right now I feel confident object 13 is 15-20 feet in diameter.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:10pm

hey cloud break I for one when isaw chad,s photo that was all it took for me to sperate ilusion from realty ; in short point blank it is real and of et origin. grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:15pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:51pm, jugement wrote:
HEY YOU ALL not to throw you all off can any one compare the writing,s on the craft; with the gilgamesh epics or the enuma elish tablets. those tablet,s are suposed to be of or writen by et. cool


That might be a little difficult jugement.

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But this might work.........
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:17pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 8:45pm, j w wright wrote:
who did you contact? maybe we should all start a campaign DEMANDING answers

can you document these replies? have you recorded the phone calls? give us contact info so we can do a little harassing of our own, its time to turn the tables and make a stink about this thats newsworthy enough for some kind of coverage


WOO HOO

He complains that these people won't come forward but yet he won't mention his sources. Which witch is which.



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:22pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:09pm, WatchingWaiting wrote:
Lets see if this works.

I used one of the hi res Rajman photos to try to determine the size of the craft. By extending the telephone pole diameter into the air I was able to get close to the ballpark. I can assure you this is still not exact, but I'm zeroing in on it. I'm having to use an old computer, my powerhouse matching with all of my graphics programs is out of commision at the moment.

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Extending the pole diameter shows the craft's ring to be at least 14 "poles" wide. Now I stopped extending the perspective as soon as the lines touched the craft, so I will end up with a conservative number. In fact I am certain I am low.

If it is 14 feet or so in diameter this would coincide with the black and white inventory photo of object 13.

Right now I feel confident object 13 is 15-20 feet in diameter.


That's big. I didn't think they were that large.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:29pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:09pm, WatchingWaiting wrote:
Lets see if this works.

I used one of the hi res Rajman photos to try to determine the size of the craft. By extending the telephone pole diameter into the air I was able to get close to the ballpark. I can assure you this is still not exact, but I'm zeroing in on it. I'm having to use an old computer, my powerhouse matching with all of my graphics programs is out of commision at the moment.

Extending the pole diameter shows the craft's ring to be at least 14 "poles" wide. Now I stopped extending the perspective as soon as the lines touched the craft, so I will end up with a conservative number. In fact I am certain I am low.

If it is 14 feet or so in diameter this would coincide with the black and white inventory photo of object 13.

Right now I feel confident object 13 is 15-20 feet in diameter.


Good work, WW. Early on I eyeball estimated the Raj drone to be about 60 feet long from tip to tip. Was I close?
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Post by primaryconflict on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:30pm

Assuming for the moment that I am wrong about the Transformers movie link, has anyone considered the following idea...?

A couple of years ago a guy by the name of "Brian Bessent" in Phoenix AZ, fooled quite a number of people before his ufo video footage was proved to be fake. Here's the info: http://www.rense.com/general65/aamz.htm

You don't think that this guy might be pulling the same stunt again? The idea here is that you simply create something "enigmatic", something that looks so strange, yet at the same time almost possible. Some think it is alien, others a military craft, yet others think a mix. Next, produce some really neat looking pics and technical documents along with a "story" about a government program in the 80's in the silicon valley. You then recruit some people to be the "callers" from around the country in order to provide "credibility" to the story.

The reason I suggest this is because Mr. Bessent's "footage" was very convincing too. The footage had the "enigmatic" feeling enough to hit C2C. And it apparently required some "technical" skills with video editing software to produce. Maybe Mr. Bessent wanted to get back at the community for "outting" him. Who knows. At the time it seemed Mr. Bessent really got mad at a lot of people for finding him out. He ran a discussion forum just like this one ("ufotheatre" I think) where he publicly chewed people out for not believing him. His video made the news in Pheonix too.

I'm just say'n, this Isaac, Chad, etc, story seems very fishy still. Regardless, I do like the ideas presented here, of drones and alien technology, if not for the realness of it, but the sci-fi'ness. I wonder what we will be thinking a year from now?

You must believe! grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:32pm

I been wanting to ask that question all day I guess it was for you to come up with how large the craft is so now do it or not carry any ocupant,s Iknow that,s a lilfar ahead ,just a thought. huh
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:33pm

Maybe it's the artist in me, but I was struck by the elegance of the symbols. This race of ET has taken this form of communicating from merely representing a thought in graphic form to actually designing the images to initiate an action. This degree of complexity in Isaac's Primer is what makes the idea of it being a hoax so mind boggling. If this is a marketing ploy, to heck with the product, the ploy is challenging enough!

The tablets you speak of, jugement, are of two types - cuneiform and pictograph. Both done with impressions in soft clay that was then baked. As I mentioned awhile back, every tree has it's roots. It wouldn't surprise me to see elements of many symbols in the ET "script". But, again, it's the technology that has somehow empowered these symbols that I find so fascinating.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:35pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:03pm, CloudBreak wrote:
However, I lose track of the precise details of where this whole investigation is at. Is the concensus that the big basin photos are real or fake? The matching of parts would imply to me that they are as real as Isaac's documents!


It doesn't appear that anyone wants to comment. I think I'm the only one to speak up on this and say fake. It's the only one though that I feel is fake. Unless something new comes out on it.



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Post by SpaceBuddha on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:41pm

Oh my... That has got to be the most Hi-Tech Weatherballoon i've ever seen!

I mean it can't be swamp gas, right?

Then it has to be a weatherballoon, or maybe it's ball lightning? Who knows?

Now i'm confused... rolleyes
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:43pm

trust me markmI am 100%with your every thought just cant exsplain it as good as you , very well said I could not have said it better only my epresion could tell the aw and wow . you all have a nice 24 hour,s thease time zones are different. cool
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Nephilim on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:45pm

We need a code breaker in here to interperate what the symbols on the craft say.

I also like the older pictures of similar craft. Thus far, I have seen photos from 1996,1997, and 1999. To me, this goes a long way in saying this may actually be something.

I have yet to locate the article I have on our newer holographic technology that has benn made public [1998 or 1999], which may have something to do with the subject at hand. When I find it I will surely post it up. I attribute this to ATO's assessment on how their 'cloak' device may work. It makes sense to me.

Has anyone come any closer to figuring out what the heck these things are actually doing?

Thus far I have heard Issac fella totally avoid the 'why' they are here and 'what' they are doing. And I have heard Dragon state a response he got "drop it. You don't want to go there." This is somewhat disturbing.

I wander, if you shoot at it, what would happen? perhaps we need to reach back into the past of the Wild West days and start shooting our pistols in the sky at parties and weddings again...who knows what may fall out of the sky smiley Probably wishful thinking at best, I know.

I think Mark brings up a good issue with the crop circle similarities, but this leads me to even more questions about crop circles than I had before.

Perhaps a little more time and someone will stumble onto a significant connection, even though I feel a few have already been established.

Holographic technology.
Crop circles.
And previous photos from years ago [1996, that's 11 years ago!].

All significant clues.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by primaryconflict on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:51pm

Member Nephilim writes: "We need a code breaker in here to interperate what the symbols on the craft say."

Aw come now, the symbols mearly say "If you can read this, you are too close!" cheesy
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Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:53pm

LOL! Ironically, that's probably what the government is saying!
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Post by JC on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:57pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:51pm, primaryconflict wrote:
Member Nephilim writes: "We need a code breaker in here to interperate what the symbols on the craft say."

Aw come now, the symbols mearly say "If you can read this, you are too close!" cheesy


Lets ask Tom he’s Brilliant!

http://imageevent.com/cropcirclerational/cropcirclesdecoded
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:02pm

This may or may not be something to explore. ATO, I think it was you that was wondering why "Isaac" chose that name. His specialty was linguistics. Check this out:

http://www.isaac-online.org/en/home.shtml

Might he be a Board member or associated in some other way? What has he been doing since he left CARET?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:09pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:03pm, CloudBreak wrote:
Furthermore if you compare the big basin photos with the inventory photo, you can see that part 16 is the big side ring with the 4 spikes and part 14b is the ring on the opposite side. These two rings are placed upside down in the inventory photo compared to the big basin photo.

However, I lose track of the precise details of where this whole investigation is at. Is the concensus that the big basin photos are real or fake? The matching of parts would imply to me that they are as real as Isaac's documents!


I don't want to get into an argument about real or fake. I think all of us need to soak up the evidence and make our own judgements. But you need to look at all of the evidence. The WW post earlier was an excellent rundown in a chronological order. You need to study all of these events to get a feel for the entire case.

The only thing else I will say is none of the evidence so far has been proved false. Draw your own conclusion.
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Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:18pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:45pm, Nephilim wrote:
We need a code breaker in here to interperate what the symbols on the craft say.


I wish it was that easy. Isaac said he and his department spent three years starring at those things with the help of super computers and by the sound of it never figured them out.

One major thought I got from the Isaac story is that these drone ETs are so far beyond us we may never be able to comprehend their language or technology.

But I was thinking about the language that has the ability to actually operate everthing. I was thinking the "field" he spoke of (or the device that emits the field. I don't believe he mentioned what that might be) would be like the operating system which can read the commands and implements them.
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Post by JC on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:21pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:18pm, MarkM wrote:
IF - huge, giant, glowing, bright red IF - this is NOT a fantastic hoax, please remember this image. It could well be a key.

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Yep and a Brilliant Mind named Tom knows what they are telling us.
check it out.

http://imageevent.com/cropcirclerational/cropcirclesdecoded
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Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:27pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:30pm, primaryconflict wrote:
"Brian Bessent" in Phoenix AZ, fooled quite a number of people before his ufo video footage was proved to be fake.


People like that are a dime a dozen today.

I already posted this in the first part of this thread but I figured that you read the whole thread.

Not like the Arizona UFO hoax, what Isaac has is evidence that tends to match up with history. This evidence has more credence because it's more then the picture of a UFO that's obscure or blurry or at a great distance.

Considering that he said that CARET was a new program, we may be able to assume that the UFO crash was just previous to 1984.

The following are all of the UFO crashes that I could locate from 1984 back to 1974 to be safe. We could go back as far as Roswell but I would think that such a program would have started long before 1984 if these pieces came from Roswell.

5-74
Chili, NM
An Air Force team allegedly removed a 60 foot wide metallic object from an impact area and moved it to Kirtland AFB

5-1978
BOLIVIA
1974: A globe-shaped UFO exploded near the town of Donetsk in the northern Rostov region of Russia. Debris from the explosion examined by many people.

1978: Western Kazahstan. A UFO similar is shape to a fighter aircraft was allegedly shot down by the Soviet military. UFO and its pilots were transported to Zhitkur.

1978: Location unknown. A landed cylinder-shaped UFO come 35 meters long was allegedly seized by the Soviet military and transported to Zhitkur.

1979: On the 17 February near the village of Zhigansk, Yakutiya republic of Russia, a disc-shaped craft with a mirror-like surface crashed into the banks of the Lena river. Alien bodies were allegedly recovered which were later autopsied at the Moscow State University.

1979: A UFO crashed in the Ural region of Russia near the village of Rinburg. The wreckage was transported to the Odintsovo military base.

1981: In May a UFO exploded on the Kolsky peninsula in the Murmansk region. Debris was recovered by the Soviet military authorities and taken to the Monchegorsk military air base.

1983: On May 5 a cone-shaped UFO was allegedly tracked on military radar and shot down by ground air defence units near Ordzhonikidze in Northern Caucasus. The wreckage was recovered by the military and transported to the Odintsovo base.

1983: A UFO was allegedly shot down with an experimental laser weapon in Kazahstan.

1984: A seismic shock wave hit the Kolsky peninsula in the Murmansk region. An alleged UFO crash was reportedly responsible and the wreckage was later recovered and transported to the military base at Monchegorsk.

1984: In northern Russia in the Taymyrian area of Siberia , near the Enisey river a ‘dolphin-shaped’ craft was recovered from the river and removed to the Zhitkur base for study.

1984: On July 20 in the Baku mountains of Azerbaijan, a UFO was seen to crash into the mountains.

Reported Crashes and Recoveries based on Witnesses and Newspaper Articles.

1974 Llandrillo, Clwyd, Wales, UK
1974 November 9 Carbondale, Pennsylvania
1974 August 25 Chihuahua, Mexico Disc crash
1976 May 12 Desert, Australia
1977 April 5 South-West Ohio, USA
1977 June 22 Northwest Arizona, USA
1977 August 17 Tobasco, Mexico
1978 May 6 Padcaya, Bolivia Search team finds nothing.
1978 Ocean off Finland, USSR USSR army
1978 November 10 Lebannon
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:30pm

This is interesting as well. As we all know, screen names and nick names usually mean something.
http://www.sigsam.org/issac/
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Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:34pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:02pm, MarkM wrote:
This may or may not be something to explore. ATO, I think it was you that was wondering why "Isaac" chose that name. His specialty was linguistics. Check this out:

http://www.isaac-online.org/en/home.shtml

Might he be a Board member or associated in some other way? What has he been doing since he left CARET?


Worth delving deeper into but no on the board member or executive member. Women members mostly and the U.S. individual is a woman.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:37pm

JC - I just bookmarked your crop circle link. My brain is fried and I'm calling it a day. Will explore it thoroughly when I can take it all in. Thank you!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:38pm

Its amazing how much activity has taken place since the Isaac report. Think about this, it was two days ago. TWO! Seems like weeks.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:38pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:34pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Worth delving deeper into but no on the board member or executive member. Women members mostly and the U.S. individual is a woman.


ATO - how do we know that this is a man? Perhaps that's one of the reasons that "he" wasn't searched more thoroughly wink!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by JC on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:41pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:37pm, MarkM wrote:
JC - I just bookmarked your crop circle link. My brain is fried and I'm calling it a day. Will explore it thoroughly when I can take it all in. Thank you!


No problem there is so much to think about these days my mind is tired as well.
Have a great evening all. Be back tomorrow.
JC
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:44pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:38pm, MarkM wrote:
ATO - how do we know that this is a man? Perhaps that's one of the reasons that "he" wasn't searched more thoroughly wink!


I remember the era way too well and I lived in California at the time. It's a man. The odds are it's a man.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:44pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:30pm, MarkM wrote:
This is interesting as well. As we all know, screen names and nick names usually mean something.
http://www.sigsam.org/issac/


I thought his name was Isaac not Issac.

BTW, some have speculated that his name is evidence of a hoax because Isaac is Hebrew for one who laughs.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:51pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:44pm, Latitude wrote:
I thought his name was Isaac not Issac.

BTW, some have speculated that his name is evidence of a hoax because Isaac is Hebrew for one who laughs.


It depends what time of day it is. I had to spell check every single page today because I found myself typing Issac last night. I found about 15 Issac's.

The name is actually spelled both ways.
See your point though.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by primaryconflict on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:52pm

Atrueoriginall writes: "People like that are a dime a dozen today."

I would tend to agree, however IMHO Mr. Bessent was quite a bold and divisive character. I've quietly listened to the UFO community for quite some time from the back of the room, and I must say that until recently, I don't believe the community has encountered many like Mr. Bessent. He seemed to be totally bent on making a mockery of the community once the truth was revealed, to such an extent as to leave a bad taste in everyones mouth. He really annoyed me because while we're all out trying to weed out the natural phenomenon from the real oddities, people like him are spending an inordinate amount of time trying to pull the rug out from under us! I do not want this to happen again, that's why I'm being very conservative this time around.

Lest we forget:
http://www.eyepod.org/UFO-Theater-Hoax.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bessent+ufo+video+phoenix&btnG=Google+Search

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.", Dr. Carl Sagan
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:57pm

I've seen all of that, it wasn't even that long ago. What about Prophet Yahwah and all the others that popped up about he same timeframe.

We don't fall for those anymore. Ufologist jump on those now like a fly on you know what.

Going to bed.

Need a favor y'all. Could you check this addy out and see if you can help this individual with suggestions - especially if you are camara or video savey - I'm not.

thank you

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183078284


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:57pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:49pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Brawwwwwwk, Brawwk, Brawwk, Brawwk, Brawwwwwwk lol

Hey, remember Endzone


It went over my head, ATO. What do you mean? But I do remember Endzone. I still converse with him on another forum. It's unfortunate what happened here. I asked him to come back. Would that be ok?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Nephilim on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:58pm

I forgot to thank DrDil for making the PDF files....thanks. smiley

Perhaps the language needs to be considered from a 4th demensional perspective? Can anyone here do that? I sure as heck can't lol. I think if someone can find the key to the Rosseta Stone and ancient Egyptian Hyroglyphs, surely this can be discovered too. Of course, if it is all fake, it could read "eat more Captain crunch!" grin

Carl Sagen was a brilliant man, where are the Sagens of today?!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:01pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:58pm, Nephilim wrote:
I forgot to thank DrDil for making the PDF files....thanks. smiley

Perhaps the language needs to be considered from a 4th demensional perspective? Can anyone here do that? I sure as heck can't lol. I think if someone can find the key to the Rosseta Stone and ancient Egyptian Hyroglyphs, surely this can be discovered too. Of course, if it is all fake, it could read "eat more Captain crunch!" grin


And then we'll work on looking for the Holy Grail on Saturday when we're done. lol


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:13pm

on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:04pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Brawwwwk -

User Image


Yes chicken. Of maybe just wiser. I've been around long enough now to know when to keep my trap shut.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:33pm

here is whar brought me back to night well if you some how stand this thing on the side facing front just like the star gate in the sci fi night movie ; here is what keep ligering on my mind that this thing or craft is not a drone but a transport that hover,s and deliver,s the ocupants at the point where their ufo is not spoted which we have enough photos not to say they are hiding for any reason markm wrote that the diameter is about 15 to 20 feet , wide open for a man or woman to walk straight thru with out toching the sides hopfuly you all follow my point. 16 turn up 15 on the bottom acting like a stan to keep it from falling that may be how it lands and then beam the ocupants thru. what do you all think I could be wrong. huh
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:28am

Another witness has come forward to LMH. It's on her website Earthfiles. She has the complete text of her interview with a "technical security specialist". I don't know if that's a security guard. According to the report the sighting happened in Alabama last Monday morning.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by 5150 on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:35am

I was just re-reading over Isaac's tale on his page and this line jumped out at me:

"My story begins the same as it did for many of my co workers, with graduate and post-graduate work at university in electrical engineering."

Particularly "at university"...what is Isaac's nationality I'm wondering? Most, if not all, Americans do not refer to college as "university." Is Isaac of British, or European descent? How does this effect his testimonial.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 01:15am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:35am, 5150 wrote:
I was just re-reading over Isaac's tale on his page and this line jumped out at me:

"My story begins the same as it did for many of my co workers, with graduate and post-graduate work at university in electrical engineering."

Particularly "at university"...what is Isaac's nationality I'm wondering? Most, if not all, Americans do not refer to college as "university." Is Isaac of British, or European descent? How does this effect his testimonial.


I don't see how if affects his testimony at all. Maybe it was simply a typo and he omitted the word "a".
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by mantis on Jun 29th, 2007, 03:08am

hmmm i am not happy about the pic's . if the size of it is what he/she says then im not happy about the shots . there is no scale i mean it looks like a model on a white sheet no more than 2ft long
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by benzjie on Jun 29th, 2007, 03:37am

looks like the drones become visible when jammed by radar. Isn't it possible to make a portable jamming device, drive around the area and see what happens ?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 05:35am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:35am, 5150 wrote:
Particularly "at university"...what is Isaac's nationality I'm wondering? Most, if not all, Americans do not refer to college as "university." Is Isaac of British, or European descent? How does this effect his testimonial.


Back when Isaac went to school, and myself, what were called junior colleges or sometimes community colleges are now called colleges and what were called colleges are now called universities.

Some of the colleges kept the name college but for the most part (and I do not remember the year this happened) almost all colleges were now universities and all junior colleges were now colleges.

Isaac did not go to college, he went to a university before the colleges were called universities. Confusing isn't it. There was a name for this event and I'm sure there are others here as old as myself that remember more about when and why this happened.

Example: California State College is now California State University

So in essence, he has narrowed down his school of higher education because there were very few universities back then, whereas today they are almost all called universities.

I just found this in wikipedia.

Colloquial usage
Colloquially, the term university may be used to describe a phase in one's life: "when I was at university…" (in the United States and the Republic of Ireland, college is used instead: "when I was in college...").

He was correct in how he worded it but it does look odd to us today to read it that way.


.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 05:59am


New drone sighting out of Montgomery, Alabama but no photographs.

Ted Connors (alias), Technical Specialist in Security, Montgomery, Alabama.

5:45 AM, Montgomery, Alabama,
near Maxwell AFB

With this concept of an extraterrestrial technology that can neutralize gravity and project holographic-like 3-dimensional images that can record data for whatever unknown reason, here is what happened this week on Monday, June 25th, 2007, 6 miles from Maxwell AFB and its Gunter AFB Annex in Montgomery, Alabama. The eyewitness is a long-time technical specialist in security, educated about infrared frequency technologies and normal human aviation. Because his work is highly sensitive, he has asked that I not use his actual name. So, I will call him Ted Connors.

Ted said that the local Montgomery news media announced last week there would be joint Army/Air Force exercises at Maxwell AFB with lots of planes and helicopters, beginning on Sunday, June 24th, around 8 PM. Ted said the noise was terrible and unrelenting through Monday night, June 25, while he was on duty in his security work that involves 32 infrared cameras.

See interview at this address.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1279&category=Environment


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Luvey on Jun 29th, 2007, 06:29am

Quote:
Back when Isaac went to school, and myself, what were called junior colleges or sometimes community colleges are now called colleges and what were called colleges are now called universities.

Some of the colleges kept the name college but for the most part (and I do not remember the year this happened) almost all colleges were now universities and all junior colleges were now colleges.

Isaac did not go to college, he went to a university before the colleges were called universities. Confusing isn't it. There was a name for this event and I'm sure there are others here as old as myself that remember more about when and why this happened.

Example: California State College is now California State University


A university is a bigger organistion that contains colleges within it. Eg. University of Tennessee has contained within it a college of medicine, a college of mathematics....etc

I am advised that there were universities there quite a while back they weren't common.

In Australia we call them universities and always have.

Luvey
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 07:26am



A little tid bit here for those who might need clarification on Isaac's statement about "NDA's".

Isaac said..............
It seemed like there was an armed guard in every corner of every room. I’d worked under some pretty hefty NDAs in my time but this was so far out of my depth I didn’t think I was going to last 2 weeks in an environment like that.

NDA = Non-disclosure agreement

A non-disclosure agreement (NDA), also called a confidential disclosure agreement (CDA), confidentiality agreement or secrecy agreement, is a legal contract between at least two parties which outlines confidential materials or knowledge the parties wish to share with one another for certain purposes, but wish to restrict from generalized use. In other words, it is a contract through which the parties agree not to disclose information covered by the agreement. In rare cases, the contract may state that the existence of the NDA itself cannot be disclosed.[citation needed] An NDA creates a confidential relationship between the parties to protect any type of trade secret. As such, an NDA can protect non-public business information.

NDAs are commonly signed when two companies or individuals are considering doing business together and need to understand the processes used in one another's businesses solely for the purpose of evaluating the potential business relationship. NDAs can be "mutual", meaning both parties are restricted in their use of the materials provided, or they can only restrict a single party.

It is also possible for an employee to sign an NDA or NDA-like agreement with a company at the time of hiring, in fact some employment agreements will include a clause restricting "confidential information" in general. Likewise, NDAs are used in the IT field and given directly prior to taking a certification exam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 07:53am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:45pm, Nephilim wrote:
We need a code breaker in here to interperate what the symbols on the craft say.


since the field effect interprets the sheet of connected symbols as a set of commands for operation, i think its a good guess that the symbols on the crafts components act as addresses for configuration.

they tell the field where they should be placed with precision.

by altering the command symbiology, the craft can be reconfigured, most likely.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 29th, 2007, 08:07am

Morning, friends. Can't wait for another fun-filled day of trolling (and occassionally posting). Sadly, I have a good bit of work to do today, but I'll do my best to chime in here and there.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 29th, 2007, 08:46am

As the days continue to pass and the mystery continues (until we hear more from "Isaac" or get new information) I'm beginning to seriously doubt a viral campaign. Sure, it's a possibility. But like a previous poster mentioned: there's no parallel. There's nothing in this thread (or pertaining to these "drones") that resembles or pertains to the upcoming Transformers movie. Nothing. If you want to draw the line between Allspark and our "drones" that's extremely far-fetched. Plus, there's only a handful of people that are even mentioning these movies. How is that helping these would-be viral campaigns?

And if this actually is a viral campaign - that can only be a bad sign. That people will actually go this far and invest this much time to deceive a community of people to promote something as trivial as a video game or movie. Kinda sad. But business is business, I suppose.

Either way, I'm seriously thinking (and hoping) this is legitimate. I suppose time will tell. ATO, I'll apologize in advance for mentioning the virals in the thread. Don't hate me!
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Post by hachihyaku on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:21am



Per PM, member is moving post to...

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182283823


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:27am

Old news. These links have been all over this forum (and throughout this thread). Nothing conclusive. And there are no parallels I've drawn between anything probe-related to Bungie or Halo 3. So, yeah, not buying it.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:30am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:21am, hachihyaku wrote:
It is a viral ad campaign, but not for Transformers. For Halo 3.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/796/796753p1.html



there is no connection to any property like transformers or halo 1, 2 or 3

there is nothing in halo or transf's that look like the drone, or has the drones level of detail

everything in those properties has perfect cgi geometry, while the drones are obviously made from real material.

just creating the geometric imperfections alone would be a massive effort

it would take much more effort to make the drones appear as real as they do than it took for all the effects work in transf's... let lone halo

nothing about the drones are viral, all viral has direct connections to proprty to be of any value. the drones have no such connection
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by RoH on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:31am

complex diagram from the "craft"?

Isaac writes:
I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos. They appear in a very simple form on Chad’s craft, but appear in the more complex diagram form on the underside of the Big Basin craft as well. Both are unmistakable, even at the small size of the Big Basin photos. An example of a diagram in the style of the Big Basin craft is included with this in a series of scanned pages from the [mistitled] "Linguistic Analysis Primer". We needed a copy of that diagram to be utterly precise, and it took about a month for a team of six to copy that diagram into our drafting program!

Isaac job was:
I helped with the design of software running on supercomputers that could juggle the often trillions of rules necessary to create a valid diagram of any reasonable complexity.

I don't think there is many that can understand the function of this diagrams, Isaac and his team used about one month just to copy it!

But I have to say that this diagrams are just beutiful to look at, I can't stop thinking of them and how they works?

So I started to look for things that is repeated in the diagrams:

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And symbols that I think is important!

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Note that the last symbol is not filled like all the other symbols, it's one of a kind grin

Looks like Isaac or sombody thinks the same, and have marked it with two ? ? shocked
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:38am

Yeah, I mentioned that earlier ("??"). Interesting, isn't it? Great observations altogether, though. tongue
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:51am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:31am, RoH wrote:
Note that the last symbol is not filled like all the other symbols, it's one of a kind grinLooks like Isaac or sombody thinks the same, and have marked it with two ? ? shocked


That is a good point, which simply means it could possibly also have a separate designation and maybe not even pertain to the whole picture.

What I mean to say is that it could be representative of a registration, company logo or name, trademark - something of that nature.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:52am

ATO, it's prolly the on/off button. You know? tongue
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:53am

I can't help be keep realizing how this evidence all fits together with a lot of other puzzles in the world. For instance stonehenge now seems to look obviously like some of these symbols. That is, if you look at it from THEIR perspective, vertically. What about the mystery of the pyramids, or the coral castle in Florida. Did these people find a rudimentary way of using this same technology?
With what I've studied on all these subjects I'm pretty sure that the main factor in this technology is magnetics and magnetic fields. Aligning the fileds to a certain degree with planets and stars seems to give an output of energy the same way an atom does when it is split. What do you guys think? Sound crazy?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:55am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 08:07am, jlc767 wrote:
Morning, friends. Can't wait for another fun-filled day of trolling (and occassionally posting). Sadly, I have a good bit of work to do today, but I'll do my best to chime in here and there.


I believe it will slow down a little today. It may speed up with Earthfiles new finding which I posted here on page 27.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:59am

Not a bad idea, redSE7EN.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:06am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 03:08am, mantis wrote:
hmmm i am not happy about the pic's . if the size of it is what he/she says then im not happy about the shots . there is no scale i mean it looks like a model on a white sheet no more than 2ft long


If you are talking about the personal antigrav device, Isaac's description does say it's only 2 feet long.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:12am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 07:53am, j w wright wrote:
since the field effect interprets the sheet of connected symbols as a set of commands for operation, i think its a good guess that the symbols on the crafts components act as addresses for configuration.

they tell the field where they should be placed with precision.

by altering the command symbiology, the craft can be reconfigured, most likely.


I sure would like to get Isaac to expand on that. I wonder how they found out the language was the actual commands+data and not merely something embedded into the components.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:13am

I recommend if you guys have to time to read Ed Leeskalnins writings on magnetic fields. With what I've read in the past it seems to relate alot to this alien technology.
Isaac notes that there is no hardware or circuitry in these machines but that they are composed of a certain material that outputs the energy. So I'm thinking that these symbols are like tiny magnets, if you will, that focus and move the molecules in a fashion that creates a focused output.

(Isaac :They had something akin to a language, that could quite literally execute itself, at least in the presence of a very specific type of field. The language, a term I am still using very loosely, is a system of symbols (which does admittedly very much resemble a written language) along with geometric forms and patterns that fit together to form diagrams that are themselves functional)
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:15am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 09:53am, redSE7EN wrote:
I can't help be keep realizing how this evidence all fits together with a lot of other puzzles in the world. For instance stonehenge now seems to look obviously like some of these symbols. That is, if you look at it from THEIR perspective, vertically. What about the mystery of the pyramids, or the coral castle in Florida. Did these people find a rudimentary way of using this same technology?
With what I've studied on all these subjects I'm pretty sure that the main factor in this technology is magnetics and magnetic fields. Aligning the fileds to a certain degree with planets and stars seems to give an output of energy the same way an atom does when it is split. What do you guys think? Sound crazy?


It is crazy and besides the architecture and their culture, there's the text. We began by looking at Gilgamesh text and that's approximately 4,757 years old. Who wants to fill in all those holes up to 2007?

Actually, amongst the 33 page Chad/Tahoe/Capitola/Birmingham/Big Basin thread, we have already done Japanese - both Hiragana and Katakana, Chinese, Klingon, Arubesh, Gregg Shorthand, Kana, and Heiroglyphics.

How quaint. Gilgamesh's first written comment on tablet 1.

He who has seen everything, I will make known to the lands. I will teach about him who experienced all things,... alike Anu, granted him the totality of knowledge of all. He saw the Secret, discovered the Hidden.

How apprapo!

.



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:21am

WOW! I have only been able to pop in and out on this subject. I'm glad to know that someone out there is taking it further. It's like history's mysteries are unraveling upon us. Good work. I did, however, notice the other day how closely these symbols look like that of katakana. I'm glad others noticed it as well
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:22am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:21am, redSE7EN wrote:
WOW! I have only been able to pop in and out on this subject. I'm glad to know that someone out there is taking it further. It's like history's mysteries are unraveling upon us. Good work. I did, however, notice the other day how closely these symbols look like that of katakana. I'm glad others noticed it as well


Only a few did. However, with shorthand anything goes and the possibility that one stroke could represent a word or multiple words is quite possible for aliens to be utilizing simply because it is for us already.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:23am

For all we know, our outline for good living, (the ten commandments) were given to us by these guys. If we can trace alien visits back that as far as cuneiform and pictographs it's reasonable to believe this as a possibility.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:24am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:13am, redSE7EN wrote:
(Isaac :They had something akin to a language, that could quite literally execute itself, at least in the presence of a very specific type of field. The language, a term I am still using very loosely, is a system of symbols (which does admittedly very much resemble a written language) along with geometric forms and patterns that fit together to form diagrams that are themselves functional)


This is what I was thinking when I first saw the pictures but hadn't read what Isaac had to say yet. My eye caught what looked like bar codes on the outer edges but yes, I imagine that in a great sense, each symbol is bar code of sorts and manipulates the craft. The magnetic field I would think is the key that turns the darn thing on. lol




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:30am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:23am, redSE7EN wrote:
For all we know, our outline for good living, (the ten commandments) were given to us by these guys. If we can trace alien visits back that as far as cuneiform and pictographs it's reasonable to believe this as a possibility.


That's come up but we have to keep that subject low key in here or it'll go rampant, if you know what I mean.

In the section at the bottom of the front board there is an area called UFO's/Angels/Psychic. In there are a good handful of threads accordingly that pertain to your comment here.

Here's one called ARE ALIENS PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR BELIEFS, which I actually wrote.
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=angels&num=1176901793&start=0

Ok, alien/religious text conversation is over in this thread. lol Webmaster has a fit when cross into other catagories in a thread. Especially when it has to do with religious text. So, we pretty much keep the arguing to one area of the forum. rolleyes


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:31am

I agree totally, I think the field is probably just what gives it the power to work. Kinda like a battery. He says that the material is a "computational substarte" which to me sounds like super-advanced nano-technology. Essentially, computerised molecules. <--not sure if thats the way to say it lol. It's almost like our computers, but the hardware is the material and the software are the symbols. The symbols affect how these molecules are moved and grouped throughout the machine to generate the wanted output.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:32am

HAHA sorry. yea I here ya. I'll leave it at that as far as those type of suggestions. I think we all are just overwhlemed by the profound lightbulb that seems to be hovering over our heads with these new findings.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:36am

On the similarities between the functional "symbols" and all form of writing ancient and otherwise: as I mentioned before, working on a 2D surface, there are only so many combinations of lines, curves, spirals, circles, squiggles and variations thereof that one can make. They're bound to share things in common. Angle top lines look much like cuneiform, which is similar to runic ...... Japanese looks like Klingon .... you get my point. It's not the graphic that's particularly meaningful, but the configuration of the character in combination with the material in which it's embedded. And yes, I think the electro-magnetic manifestations of that material may well be manipulated by the symbols. While I can't get into specifics - and I am not being coy or playing head games here - if this turns out to be legit and is routed in the control of the Earths magnetic field, I will personally get all of this into the hands of an expert in that subject.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:48am

What do you guys think the purpose of the drones are? You think they are just transmitting pictures of earth into space?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:51am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:36am, MarkM wrote:
On the similarities between the functional "symbols" and all form of writing ancient and otherwise: as I mentioned before, working on a 2D surface, there are only so many combinations of lines, curves, spirals, circles, squiggles and variations thereof that one can make. They're bound to share things in common. Angle top lines look much like cuneiform, which is similar to runic ...... Japanese looks like Klingon .... you get my point. It's not the graphic that's particularly meaningful, but the configuration of the character in combination with the material in which it's embedded.


Exactly, and before I forget Mark - we need to seek info on what you mentioned earlier yesterday but it got real busy in here and it slipped by.

It's in regard to the comment you made about symbols viewed by the eye triggering the brain, prompting an idea or a thought. You explained it better certainly but how about if you repost that post so it's closer to the end of the thread and of course it'll get read again.

I doubt most people are reading all of the pages from page 1 to date. That's a lot of reading, which is why I mention that you bring it forward.

I think it's important that we look at it again since if it exists, which I believe it does, certainly the aliens would be using it and in a much greater depth then we could imagine.

So everyone Google yourself to death on this subject when he reposts it. It won't hurt anybody to learn a little more about the wonders of the mind.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:53am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:48am, redSE7EN wrote:
What do you guys think the purpose of the drones are? You think they are just transmitting pictures of earth into space?


We haven't yet determined if the ones we're seeing are alien craft that have been remade by humans (from whoever took it over from where Isaac worked) or if they are alien craft still in possession of the aliens.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by starsigndavid on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:55am

One of the beautiful lessons I have already learned from all your postings is that the human mind, imagination and search for truth is magnificent. I always liked Carl Sagan's quote: "We are the Universe trying to know itself." Your comments give me the comfort of realizing I am not alone, far from it!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:55am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:32am, redSE7EN wrote:
HAHA sorry. yea I here ya. I'll leave it at that as far as those type of suggestions. I think we all are just overwhlemed by the profound lightbulb that seems to be hovering over our heads with these new findings.


LOL, you kidding. I take every opportunity I get to post that address. That's my baby.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by humanencounter on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:56am

on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:54pm, Latitude wrote:
Does this clear it up?
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If this thing is real, I would expect that little piece of the craft part 15 in isaacs photo to be some type of cooling device. Maybe puron or another type of coolent. I work in the heating and cooling field and those tubes inside part15 look like copper puron lines like in a A/C coil. Im willing to bet they are, if real. The heat this thing would generate would be alot I would think.
compare them:
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:56am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:48am, redSE7EN wrote:
What do you guys think the purpose of the drones are? You think they are just transmitting pictures of earth into space?


That is one major question that Isaac has yet to answer. I have been compiling a list for him should he ever decide to come forward again.

My first guess would be recon using the 3d recorder to survey our landscapes and possibly tramsmitting this info to a mothership or who knows, maybe directly back to the home planet.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:57am

I think the drones - in this case - might be ours, the result of successful reverse engineering. ET's probably "upgraded" by now smiley!

I was intending to go to bed last night after logging out, but discovered (thanks Latitude) that I could get C2C on my local AM station at 1:00 AM, so I stayed up to listen to the LMH interview. If that witness was lying, he deserves an Oscar, Tony, Emmy, Grammy, and ever other acting award out there. Very believable. I just wish that LMH would have had a longer segment do to the excitement surrounding this topic.

My biggest question is this: where are the "leaders" in the UFO community on this? What are their opinions? Are they all waiting to weigh in until the grassroots "troops" have done their work? They don't have to take a public stand on it yet - granted this isn't over and no one wants egg on their face - but it would be nice to get their take on this.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:00am

I made this yesterday but forgot to post it. It illustrates a possible damaged part.

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It also looks like one of those pieces may be missing on the top right.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:06am

I definatley agree about MarkM's post on how the symbols trigger the mind. Let's get on that subject for a moment. I'm sure we can all agree on the wow factor we all had when seeing these diagrams. I've heard similar thoughts on different subjects. For instance (a bad example) the 11:11 phenomena. People seem to belive that we see it all the time because of something imbedded in our minds which triggers a feeling. These could very well be the same idea. If these other races are intelligent enough to (supposedly) communicate telepathically, then surely they could be controlling these drones with them as well. For all we know they may be mapping these diagrams in their heads and imprinting the use on the machines. Maybe just thinking about these symbols in their heads creates the energy output to run them? A very far out thought, but at this point anything is possible.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by humanencounter on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:09am

its probably just missing a larger part like part #15. If it is a cooling piece it would need to be removable. In case a larger cooling unit was needed. If you look at chads photos, the item I call "cooling unit" is way larger than the isaac piece compared to the ring its sitting next to
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by chgowriter on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:11am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:57am, MarkM wrote:
I think the drones - in this case - might be ours, the result of successful reverse engineering. ET's probably "upgraded" by now smiley!

I was intending to go to bed last night after logging out, but discovered (thanks Latitude) that I could get C2C on my local AM station at 1:00 AM, so I stayed up to listen to the LMH interview. If that witness was lying, he deserves an Oscar, Tony, Emmy, Grammy, and ever other acting award out there. Very believable. I just wish that LMH would have had a longer segment do to the excitement surrounding this topic.

My biggest question is this: where are the "leaders" in the UFO community on this? What are their opinions? Are they all waiting to weigh in until the grassroots "troops" have done their work? They don't have to take a public stand on it yet - granted this isn't over and no one wants egg on their face - but it would be nice to get their take on this.



Listened to LMH and her "witness" last night. Funny how the guy habitually seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. He says he saw the Stealth before it was revealed to the public and was warned not to talk about it, and that's why he never mentioned seeing the drone. I didn't find him at all convincing. He sounded like a salesman. They also didn't make LMH available for questions. Interesting.

Anyone want to buy some swamp land in Florida?

If there's any kind of conspiracy in any of this, I suspect it's between vested interests in the commercial ufology world, not the government and aliens.

The "leaders" in the UFO field, as you call them -- I would call them "serious researchers" -- aren't touching this thing with a barge pole. Apparently the early photos were all debunked as CGI and no one has paid much attention to the subject since then.

By the way, someone on VirtuallyStrange (IIRC) dredged up a photo from the "To Serve Man" episode of "Twilight Zone," and the so-called alien writing on the Chad-and-other-drones looks very similar to a book from that tv show. In the Twilight Zone episode, the book, To Serve Man, turned out to be a cook book.

I do find it interesting that "Isaac" means someone who laughs.

Chgowriter
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:13am

I think its safe to say that these machines are in no need of our stone age parts like cooling or exhaust. Isaac notes that the shape of the material is key to certain functions. I'm pretty sure that the pointy parts have a certain function but I wouldnt expect to find muffler.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:17am

I think it's funny that you keep posting here even though you think it's just CGI. Why are you wasting your time even logging in? The gov't. relies on people like you to find the first evidence you can to dismiss this kind of thing. I'm sure you think there are still WMDs in Iraq too cause they told you so right?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by humanencounter on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:17am

On the topic of Isaac. Lets not forget Isaac Newton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton

I think if anything He would pick Isaac because of him. Fits the subject matter.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:27am

It's just my opinion but I don't think we've re-created any of these alien machines with back engineering. Isaac says that in order to do so we'd have to have the ability to have an infinte alphabet. He also says that in order to create the symbols they have to be so precise because one characer could contain a 1bit flag and another the entire human genome. Without alien assistance, I don't think we would have those capabilities. Not to mention that the nessesary materials are probably not existent on Earth
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:36am

I definatley agree about MarkM's post on how the symbols trigger the mind. Let's get on that subject for a moment. I'm sure we can all agree on the wow factor we all had when seeing these diagrams. I've heard similar thoughts on different subjects. For instance (a bad example) the 11:11 phenomena. People seem to belive that we see it all the time because of something imbedded in our minds which triggers a feeling. These could very well be the same idea. If these other races are intelligent enough to (supposedly) communicate telepathically, then surely they could be controlling these drones with them as well. For all we know they may be mapping these diagrams in their heads and imprinting the use on the machines. Maybe just thinking about these symbols in their heads creates the energy output to run them? A very far out thought, but at this point anything is possible.



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:38am

From all of the UFO-related videos / interviews, etc. that I've watched I think it's safe to say we've (at some point) made contact with aliens directly. People have hinted at it and outright spoken of working with them (for whatever reasons). I realize it sounds extremely far-fetched, but I'd believe it.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by chgowriter on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:38am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:17am, redSE7EN wrote:
I think it's funny that you keep posting here even though you think it's just CGI. Why are you wasting your time even logging in? The gov't. relies on people like you to find the first evidence you can to dismiss this kind of thing. I'm sure you think there are still WMDs in Iraq too cause they told you so right?


I check in occasionally to see if the truth has come out at all. As far as C2C goes, I work at night and usually listen to that show.

And, I'm not the one who believes everything people tell me....

Chicago
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by humanencounter on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:38am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:13am, redSE7EN wrote:
I think its safe to say that these machines are in no need of our stone age parts like cooling or exhaust. Isaac notes that the shape of the material is key to certain functions. I'm pretty sure that the pointy parts have a certain function but I wouldnt expect to find muffler.


Understandable. I dont believe you'll find an exhaust. Increased current=increased heat. But to generate enough lift for that size of an object would also create heat, alot of it. Also an A/C unit is fully contained. no exhaust. Its recycled through the lines. The only exhaust you would have is the hot air. I also expect this tech would be alot more advanced then what we the public consumers are given. Im also trying to put this into a logical world where every action has a reaction. My brain hurts
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:40am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:11am, chgowriter wrote:
If there's any kind of conspiracy in any of this, I suspect it's between vested interests in the commercial ufology world, not the government and aliens.


The commercial ufology world? I hope you're talking about commercial in the sense that they are producing and distributing information they acquire via their websites and not the definition that is characteristic of commerce or for profit.

The ufology community isn't non profit but they all have to scrimp and save because their income is at poverty level or lower. Instead, they all work outside of the realm of UFOs.

Other then the retired ufologists (who had real jobs previously) I don't know of a ufologist that doesn't have a regular 8 - 5 job. Even the owner of the UFO Casebook has a regular 8 to 5 job.

There are a handful that have cushy jobs that make money in their UFO oriented field such as Art Bell who works for Coast to Coast but those are the exceptions. Anyone with any money in this biz acquired it through their regular paying jobs and not from ufology.

UFO and alien websites barely make any money at all. Most of them make no money whatsoever.

Those that acquire advertisers sell ad space for around $5.00 to $10.00 a month. Wow, they can buy 3 gallons of gas with that - maybe.

The UFO Casebook website is the number one website in the catagory of UFOs on the whole Internet. Even so, why did I ever think to put together the following for the webmaster. It was my idea not his. He's too humble for that.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1109282030&start=0

Simply because this service in the forum and the website itself is absolutely free to the viewer. He makes a couple bucks selling UFO videos and has a small handful of ads on the front page of his website and that's about it.

So, I hope you meant the druther - putting the information they discover through the flow and not the flow of commerce.

You know what I left out here. Time is money. Because of that fact alone, I would have to say that even this website doesn't make a dime whatsoever because when BJ's not working, he's in his website proofing and uploading all of the many articles that he's made available to us.






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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by CloudBreak on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:54am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:00am, Latitude wrote:
I made this yesterday but forgot to post it. It illustrates a possible damaged part.

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It also looks like one of those pieces may be missing on the top right.



Heh Latitude,

I would suggest that you are right here. I'm basing this on the assumption that part 16 is the biggest ring seen in the big basin pictures, but that it is upside down. If you study the pictures closely you can identify all of the parts of ring 16 with the underside of the craft. Everything from the flanges to the inner railing to even (just) the inner teath of the ring. You can also see the region of the ring in the big basin photo you suggest may be broken or configured differently, and by inspection this can indeed be verified. This makes the big basin craft huge in size.

ATO suggests that the big basin photos may be fake. The linking of the parts does however strongly suggest that if the basin photos are fake then the Isaac image is fake, or that they are both genuine. The remaining option seems unlikely to me, that of one source being real and then the other source being based off the first.

If people agree that these parts are identical then we have to take these two sources as being highly supportive of one another, whether real or fake.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:57am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:38am, chgowriter wrote:
I check in occasionally to see if the truth has come out at all.


From this statement it's logical to assume that you know "the truth" and therefore can identify it when you see it. This means that you're in possession of some pretty astounding information. It would be great if you would share with us all of the tested, validated, scientific (and other) evidence that you are privy to in regard to these craft. If you are, in fact, able to identify "the truth", you are indeed in a unique position.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:02pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:27am, redSE7EN wrote:
It's just my opinion but I don't think we've re-created any of these alien machines with back engineering. Isaac says that in order to do so we'd have to have the ability to have an infinte alphabet. He also says that in order to create the symbols they have to be so precise because one characer could contain a 1bit flag and another the entire human genome. Without alien assistance, I don't think we would have those capabilities. Not to mention that the nessesary materials are probably not existent on Earth


I agree with this statement 100%. I think people nowadays put way to much confidence in our technology and know how. Sure we have some cool gadgets these days. The iphone is set to be selling today. But if you understand the technology behind these things you know they are not magic by any stretch.

One major point I took from the Isaac story was the sheer bewilderment of the pacl scientists as they attempted to understand a technology that was way too far advanced. Maybe that is one of the reasons Isaac resigned. Maybe he realized the futility of the research and decided to do something more rewarding.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:07pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:54am, CloudBreak wrote:
. You can also see the region of the ring in the big basin photo you suggest may be broken or configured differently, and by inspection this can indeed be verified. This makes the big basin craft huge in size.


Stephen, one of the BB photographers, did describe the object as "huge".
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by CloudBreak on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:18pm

I would also like to suggest that the "component mode" of the personal antigravity device, described by Isaac, would probably work through a force that is extra to that of gravity, and may also only work with objects that the device is designed to work with.

Gravity as we know it is a very weak force. To hold objects so rigidly in place, such as to hold a craft together, would require incredibly strong gravitational fields. For example the gravity of the whole earth is not even enough to hold a leaf in place when the wind blows. I'm assuming rigidity is a property of the craft based upon Isaac's broom stick analogy. Hence I would guess that the device would not just have control over gravitational fields.

Now it appears to me that the drones of chad, etc appear to be held together by rivets (or something similar) at several locations on the drone.

Perhaps this implies that these are man made as Isaac says that PACL (at that time) did not have full control over the "component mode". Another possibility is that the drones simply do not require the technology that the personal antigravity device shows. Solid joins will do!

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:20pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:17pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Are any of you able to open this one up? My Explorer is going goofy is why I couldn't see the Isaac site.


works for me, has anyone seen this?:

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is it supposed to be from a photo or an illustration?

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1279&category=Environment


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:24pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:18pm, CloudBreak wrote:
IGravity as we know it is a very weak force. To hold objects so rigidly in place, such as to hold a craft together, would require incredibly strong gravitational fields.


the natural source for gravity is mass

gravity is just another form of radiation.

an advanced enough technology could produce gravitons in much the same way we can generate radio waves without having to create a star, or any of the natural sources of radio waves in the universe
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:25pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:17pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Are any of you able to open this one up? My Explorer is going goofy is why I couldn't see the Isaac site.

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=fr|en&u=http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/&prev=/language_tools


It looks like your running the Isaac website through a google translator to english which it already is so no change. What version of IE are you using? I hope it's not 7. 7 sucks.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:29pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:27am, redSE7EN wrote:
It's just my opinion but I don't think we've re-created any of these alien machines with back engineering. Isaac says that in order to do so we'd have to have the ability to have an infinte alphabet. He also says that in order to create the symbols they have to be so precise because one characer could contain a 1bit flag and another the entire human genome. Without alien assistance, I don't think we would have those capabilities. Not to mention that the nessesary materials are probably not existent on Earth


But Isaac hasn't been around that work for 20 years so he really doesn't know what they've done since.

I have to stay partial to both possibilites for the time being.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:34pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:20pm, j w wright wrote:
works for me, has anyone seen this?:

is it supposed to be from a photo or an illustration?

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1279&category=Environment



It's from the hi-rez pics from Ty that LMH has. I think they may be color enhanced to show detail. I sure with she would upload those pics.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:43pm

right, got it:

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sure looks alot different than the other drones symbolism

maybe this one is a version that researchers have been able to configure themselves

which would indicate some serious breakthroughs since issacs time


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:44pm

ATO, after listening to the witness in the LMH interview describe how the craft maneuvered, and re-reading the other interviews, I think you may be right about the Big Basin craft - the "menacing" one - being a fake. The witnesses, for the most part, describe the tail or fin leading the rest of the craft. The motion (as described) is jumpy, not a smooth rotation from a center point. In looking at the BB craft, it's difficult to envision that type of movement sequence with it. The very fact that, as someone said, it's "over the top", might indicate a fraud. This is a tactic that's often used to discredit things. People hear that ONE thing might be a fake and automatically, without doing any further research, they assume that ALL of them are. Remember when those two guys from the pub in England claimed that they made all of the crop circles with boards and string? People who saw only that news story went on to believe that all crop circles were a hoax. The Big Basin craft (perhaps intentionally made to look scary) is a plant.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by CloudBreak on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:45pm

Right, well there are 4 main forces that we know of. In order of strongest to weakest they are called.., Strong, Electromagnetic, Weak and finally Gravity. The Strong force is what binds fundamental particles together in a nucleus, the EM force concerns the forces between eletric and magnetic fields, the weak force is the hardest to explain so I won't. Whilst the gravitational force is probably the most apparent but least understood of the forces.

What I am saying about the force of gravity is that it is very weak in the sense that it is not very powerful but acts over huge distances, it holds the universe together. Contrast this to the force exerted by a magnet, the force experienced here is very strong but it does not have a very large range.

If spatial rigidity between two objects is required then to a physicist the gravitational force would not be the mechanism that springs to mind.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:47pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:54am, CloudBreak wrote:
ATO suggests that the big basin photos may be fake. The linking of the parts does however strongly suggest that if the basin photos are fake then the Isaac image is fake, or that they are both genuine. The remaining option seems unlikely to me, that of one source being real and then the other source being based off the first.


I don't think it's fake, I think it was one of the previous drones and they did a pick-a-part and made a new one out of what they had to work with from the other drone pictures, and then some.

I don't know about you guys but my jpgs aren't popping up on everyone's post.

Anyway, zoom up on the Big Basin drone. I can't tell you exactly where because I can't see the picture I just posted.

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It's on the right side though where there appears to be a flat spot. Notice that there are no colored pixels present and it's solid white. Show me a picture where there isn't at least one small row of pixels protruding from an object. Anyway, it looks shaved. That bothered me.

What else bothered me is that neither Jenna or Stephen got back to us after giving us the pictures. It's just fishy. Jenna by trade is a photographer and made that very clear. Stephen is in a photography class and she claims that they met on a photography listserv website and something about him being a student of photography.

Just too many questions there unanswered. As far as Earthfiles goes, either or Jenna or Stephen sent it to Linda as well but I don't recall seeing anything new there either and if you know Linda Moulton-Howe, she jumps over high buildings just trying to get an interview out of someone.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:48pm

j w - As a graphics guy, compare the image of that craft with the others. Not only is the style and color (darker) different it's also against a very bright background. This makes dropping an image in much easier. You wouldn't have to crop and disturb the pixels around the craft itself. Make sense?
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Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:50pm



Make that the right side CloudBreak, not the left side as I typed earlier. Can't tell my right from my left sometimes. Brain thing. lol
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Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:55pm



I missed C to C last night because I was so wrapped up in here I forgot.

My Explorer is exploding. bbl going on dial-up - oh fun stuff. lol
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:58pm

i agree, if any of these photos are fake, these latest big basin shots would be most suspected

as far as a gravity / anti gravity field effect goes, if any tech was able to generate gravity fields and use them to manipulate adressed objects precisely could also control the range of the gravity effect field.

but if this is anti-gravity, it wouldnt behave like classic gravity at all? anti gravity might not occur in nature

precision high power magnetic fields is a more easily swallowed concept for this, you're right. it would also explain the rigidity of two unconnected objects controlled by a field as one object

the only part that bugs me about it is, as far as i'm aware, only iron and its alloys respond to magentic fields while all matter is affected by gravity

edit: additional thought:

of course, there could be iron targets within the components for the mag field to latch onto and position the component with...

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by CloudBreak on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:00pm

Ok, so the concensus is that the big basin photos are suspect. Does the big ring appear in any of the older pictures? (I will go have a look myself, once I've collated all the pictures). If it does then the possibility that the big basin pictures are a frankenstein of all earlier pictures is a good one, and I should be linking Isaac's report on an ealier set of pictures. If the ring does not appear in ealier pictures then I would suggest that the big basin pictures are as real as Isaac's account or that the credibility of Isaac's account will rely upon the credibility of the big basin photos.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:11pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:44pm, MarkM wrote:
ATO, after listening to the witness in the LMH interview describe how the craft maneuvered, and re-reading the other interviews, I think you may be right about the Big Basin craft - the "menacing" one - being a fake. The witnesses, for the most part, describe the tail or fin leading the rest of the craft. The motion (as described) is jumpy, not a smooth rotation from a center point. In looking at the BB craft, it's difficult to envision that type of movement sequence with it. The very fact that, as someone said, it's "over the top", might indicate a fraud. This is a tactic that's often used to discredit things. People hear that ONE thing might be a fake and automatically, without doing any further research, they assume that ALL of them are. Remember when those two guys from the pub in England claimed that they made all of the crop circles with boards and string? People who saw only that news story went on to believe that all crop circles were a hoax. The Big Basin craft (perhaps intentionally made to look scary) is a plant.


I disagree. I think the BB object is the most legit of them all because it was photographed by two different photographers from two different vantage points. This one point lends more credence to this sighting than any of the others.

About the object looking "over the top"? That's closed minded debunkery speak if you ask me. The entire case could be called over the top. Invisible flying objects held together by force fields? Wow! It does not get any more over the top than that.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:17pm

now that one looks like an obvious fake. is that the only picture? there should have been more, with the objects behind the trees, in motion, etc...

this one looks to well framed to be true...

(no power lines to interfere with its cloak anywhere?)

there must be more shots from this 'encounter', right?

the shadows are all wrong, compare the plant in the lower right foreground and the shadow of the object, whose landing pads seem to float above the vegetation...
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:21pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:00pm, CloudBreak wrote:
Ok, so the concensus is that the big basin photos are suspect. Does the big ring appear in any of the older pictures? (I will go have a look myself, once I've collated all the pictures). If it does then the possibility that the big basin pictures are a frankenstein of all earlier pictures is a good one, and I should be linking Isaac's report on an ealier set of pictures. If the ring does not appear in ealier pictures then I would suggest that the big basin pictures are as real as Isaac's account or that the credibility of Isaac's account will rely upon the credibility of the big basin photos.


If the BB pics aren't legit then explain this:

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It also looks like the Raj part was damaged after all.


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Post by MarkM on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:22pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:11pm, Latitude wrote:
About the object looking "over the top"? That's closed minded debunkery speak if you ask me.


Whoa! Latitude! Breath - I was using terminology by another poster. I hope you know that I'm not one of the debunkers and I certainly hope I've never come across as close minded. My post was just an observation, not a condemnation.

On an aside - and there's a lot of back story here - I'm someone that firmly believes that disclosure is right around the corner, for a variety of reasons. This goes way back to the age of five when I had a sighting and a long stretch of missing time. I've been involved in this - whatever "this" is - since childhood. I'm one of the one's hoping that this is the first crack in the shell.

Friends smiley?
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Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:26pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:17pm, j w wright wrote:
now that one looks like an obvious fake. is that the only picture? there should have been more, with the objects behind the trees, in motion, etc...

this one looks to well framed to be true...

(no power lines to interfere with its cloak anywhere?)

there must be more shots from this 'encounter', right?

the shadows are all wrong, compare the plant in the lower right foreground and the shadow of the object, whose landing pads seem to float above the vegetation...


Wow Jw. That sure was quick. You came to the hoax conclusion in a whole, what two minutes?

ATO,
Is there a report with this new sighting? What is the foreground object?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:27pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:21pm, Latitude wrote:
If the BB pics aren't legit then explain this:


good eye. but these would be the easiest to fake, if only because of the background clarity... nothing to obscure the craft itself, really

doesnt mean they are fake, but you cant ignore red flags like that...
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:27pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:21pm, Latitude wrote:
If the BB pics aren't legit then explain this:


We understand all of that Latitude, that's a gimmie. Now, take the previous drones (Capitola, Chad, Tahoe) and make the Big Basin drone. Parts are parts, you'll see the same ones on the drones that are also laying on the ground.

They didn't have the Isaac pictures certainly, they weren't available yet. But, they had tons of Chad, etc. to work with.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by CloudBreak on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:28pm

Yes, I'm a lot more comfortable with magnetism being the mechanism for the "component mode".

On a side note, (I think this is slightly off topic, as I don't think this is responsible for what is described). Non iron based materials can actually respond to magnetism. ferromagnetism is the commonly known form of magnetism. This is the form that iron responds to, and is also the strongest form of magnetism.

There is also Paramagetism where the prescence of a magnet will indude dipole allignment within a paragnetic substance. You can think of a dipole as a mini magnet, with North and South ends. See, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism

Finally there is diamagetism which applies to all materials, and will be noticably experienced in a strong enough magnetic field. This works by the orbitals/paths of the electons in a substance being affected. For a picture of a form of carbon and a frog levitating, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism

It is technically possibly to levitate a human in this way.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:28pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:22pm, MarkM wrote:
Whoa! Latitude! Breath - I was using terminology by another poster. I hope you know that I'm not one of the debunkers and I certainly hope I've never come across as close minded. My post was just an observation, not a condemnation.

On an aside - and there's a lot of back story here - I'm someone that firmly believes that disclosure is right around the corner, for a variety of reasons. This goes way back to the age of five when I had a sighting and a long stretch of missing time. I've been involved in this - whatever "this" is - since childhood. I'm one of the one's hoping that this is the first crack in the shell.

Friends smiley?


MarkM, we are friends, never a doubt. I know you were not the guy who said over the top. Please forgive me if I in any way insinuated that those words came from you.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:30pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:26pm, Latitude wrote:
Wow Jw. That sure was quick. You came to the hoax conclusion in a whole, what two minutes?


nah, more like 5 minutes, the shadows gave it away, i think, and the convenient composition... and the unskilled way the foreground object isnt blended into the grass on the ground

no hurry, i'd love to hear other analysis on this one, i'm open to anyting, just my gut reaction is all


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jlc767 on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:33pm

Just checked it out in Photoshop. The machine on the ground does appear to be floating above the grass (hoax), but upon further inspection and Inverted colors it almost looks like there are "legs" that extend further. Could be grass, though.

Take a look. I'm off work. Heading home; be back soon.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by hjdelight on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:34pm

Has anyone considered that if any of this is true concerning invisibility technology, we probably have EBE's, unfriendly people and machines wandering around amongst us undetected? We certainly would not have any secrets as far as they are concerned. Certainly feeds the paranoia!

HJ
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:35pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:17pm, j w wright wrote:
now that one looks like an obvious fake. is that the only picture? there should have been more, with the objects behind the trees, in motion, etc


We'll get comments in both catagories fake or not just like the other drones but lets all make our points accordingly like jw did.

No, there are no other pictures to my knowledge. BJ is not going to upload the article that goes with the picture for a day or two.

We have a good handful of photoshop people here in the forum every day so they'll be the ones to point out the inconsistencies. Expect it. We already know it comes with the territory. I wouldn't want a fake drone on the website, would you? The more info we have the merrier - so have at her!



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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:42pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:35pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
No, there are no other pictures to my knowledge. BJ is not going to upload the article that goes with the picture for a day or two.


Oh snap. No report for a day or two sad

Could the foreground object be the device which disrupts the invisibilty?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by CloudBreak on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:45pm

Actually I can't find an earlier (pre BB) drone picture with ring 16 in it. I don't have an archive of all the pictures though.

Have in mind that if these drones and Isaac are real and if people are trying to hide this fact then a great way to cover up the story would be to create some fake pictures. I think someone else earlier emphasised this tactic with an example regarding crop circles.

Popping on my physics hat again. Physicists are now accepting that invisibility/cloaking is no longer sci-fi, we can't do it yet for visible light, but there are a couple of credible techniques that have been put forward over the last few years. I will try and dig out some references and post them later.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:51pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:34pm, hjdelight wrote:
Has anyone considered that if any of this is true concerning invisibility technology, we probably have EBE's, unfriendly people and machines wandering around amongst us undetected? We certainly would not have any secrets as far as they are concerned. Certainly feeds the paranoia!HJ


Hi HJ: You know me, I've known for 10 years 4 months and 22 days as of today that they are above us, around us and in our daily lives. Like I've said before, they know more about us then we know about ourselves.

But, those are just words HJ and they cannot be truly believed by anyone besides myself and the others who have had all of those same experiences that I've had.

You can only try to believe. It's best to sit in denial on that one though. I say this because I wish I never knew.

Typing that last sentence reminds me of exactly what Isaac said when his new employer said the word extra-terrestrial for the first time. That feeling never goes away, it just lessens.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:51pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:35pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
We'll get comments in both catagories fake or not just like the other drones but lets all make our points accordingly like jw did.

No, there are no other pictures to my knowledge. BJ is not going to upload the article that goes with the picture for a day or two.

We have a good handful of photoshop people here in the forum every day so they'll be the ones to point out the inconsistencies. Expect it. We already know it comes with the territory. I wouldn't want a fake drone on the website, would you? The more info we have the merrier - so have at her!


My initial thoughts are that the lighting does appear to be consistent and I can spot nothing wrong with the shadows. The drone does look a little odd in that it appears more white than previous photos. White to me sometimes means cgi. The object is too distant to make a better analysis. Do you have a hi-rez pic?

edit to add:
It does look like the foreground object is resting on the ground on it's tripod pads. It does not appear to have tripod extensions as somebody else posted.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:06pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:51pm, Latitude wrote:
My initial thoughts are that the lighting does appear to be consistent and I can spot nothing wrong with the shadows. The drone does look a little odd in that it appears more white than previous photos. White to me sometimes means cgi. The object is too distant to make a better analysis. Do you have a hi-rez pic?


I have the original that I downloaded from BJ. If you want, I can send you the original because I do not have any type of photography software on this particular computer other then my Camedia and it's worthless. And I have the freebie Photobucket so no features there.

I'll save the time and just send it to you. See what you can do with it.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by hjdelight on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:22pm

Yes I suppose that's true ATO. I've always believed in you but never really considered invisibility as part of the equation.



HJ
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Post by benzjie on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:25pm

It looks like a cut and paste job to me..notice the "squares"around the object and drone ? ( maybe even 3 different pics, object, sky and drone)

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Post by starsigndavid on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:26pm


It's best to sit in denial on that one though. I say this because I wish I never knew.


I know that sentiment well, and I only SAW a craft. The deeper I get into this, the more I wish I hadn't seen it. Now my normal, go-about-my-own-business life is permanently disrupted. Yet, in spite of that, I do hope the truth comes out to EVERYONE before I die.
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Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:28pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:06pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I have the original that I downloaded from BJ. If you want, I can send you the original because I do not have any type of photography software on this particular computer other then my Camedia and it's worthless. And I have the freebie Photobucket so no features there.

I'll save the time and just send it to you. See what you can do with it.



Sure I have Adobe. I can host the hi-rez for others to download and analyze too
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:30pm

i think the shadows are slightly off

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the shadows are pretty hard under the vegetation, they should be hard under the lander, and even the drone should cast something distinguishable

and i cant get over how posed the scene appears...

there should be many more pics from varying distances of at least the lander, this person had just one shot in their camera and got lucky enough to get a perfect portrait of both pieces of hardware?

improbable
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:33pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:25pm, benzjie wrote:
It looks like a cut and paste job to me..notice the "squares"around the object and drone ? ( maybe even 3 different pics, object, sky and drone)


that may be honest jpeg compression, but i did notice some suspicious pixel feathering on the right side of the lander, i'll have a closer look at that
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:43pm

You may download the higher rez photo of the new sighting here:

Turns out it's no higher rez than the original. Hang on I'll check it.
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Post by hjdelight on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:46pm

Thanks, mucho better.

HJ
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by hjdelight on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:51pm

A question though....if it's cut n' paste, wouldn't they have to have an image that we all haven't seen of the drone? Otherwise the perspective and all would be recognized by someone for sure. If they have an image that hasn't been published, why make a fake out of the authenic picture?
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Post by mantis on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:54pm

ok take a look at this zoom in on the red outline i have made were to the rest of the wire go this looks a photoshop job again
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:56pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:54pm, mantis wrote:
ok take a look at this zoom in on the red outline i have made were to the rest of the wire go this looks a photoshop job again


That smoking gun was proved false long ago. Maybe the search feature may have helped in this case, I don't know.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by hjdelight on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:01pm

Yeah, that looks pretty weird. The pixels are scattered.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:14pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:26pm, starsigndavid wrote:
It's best to sit in denial on that one though. I say this because I wish I never knew.
I know that sentiment well, and I only SAW a craft. The deeper I get into this, the more I wish I hadn't seen it. Now my normal, go-about-my-own-business life is permanently disrupted. Yet, in spite of that, I do hope the truth comes out to EVERYONE before I die.


Have thought of seeking professional help?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by deefree on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:17pm

Greetings Earthlings! I am new member to the site although I've been actively following all of this since the Chad pictures came out.

This is probably the most interesting case in the field in some time. It also has a lot of "legs" at this point, several different sources of pictures and now "Isaac" who claims to have the fundamental answers to the whole affair.

I want to believe it is all true too. The amazing stuff "Isaac" put out from his private stash of stolen documents is truly inspiring. Yet he could just be a very clever guy. The sticking point is that he seems pretty unconcerned about being caught and dealt with by people that would seem to be VERY ANGRY right now. He says there are 30-50 people who the government could look at as the possible source.

Don't you all wonder why the government doesn't grab the whole group?? The NSA, CIA, FBI or even CARET could and would easily kill 100 people to keep invisibility and anti-gravity secret. Heck, any country in the world with amibition would want to own this information.

This for me is the hardest part of "Isaac" to get past. I love the pictures and diagrams though, and the symbols or "language that gives form" is very creative to say the least. Still, none of what we have seen is beyond the ability of what exists in our world.

1. We have pictures...everybody knows there can be problems there.
2. We have testimony...uh well...
3. The testimony is interesting and seems to have fresh ideas...there are people in Hollywood who could write this in a day or two

What do I want? I want Chad! Where is this guy?
Rajman!! Come out come out wherever you are! Ty??! Hello?! Anybody home?? Isaac!!!! Give us more!!!

We Need More.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:22pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:14pm, Latitude wrote:
Have thought of seeking professional help?


Oh yeah, that's easy to say for someone who hasn't sat in or under an alien spacecraft. You're so sweet I could kick you. lol tongue
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:22pm

I said somthing about the similarity of those objects in the letter and the Craft yesterday, but I guess no one caught it.

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:21pm, Latitude wrote:
If the BB pics aren't legit then explain this:

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It also looks like the Raj part was damaged after all.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Nephilim on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:22pm

seek professional help? Are you kidding me?? Go ahead, tell a shrink you believe in UFOs, see your self commited against your will within the hour. laugh

I think discovering we have a secret government shattered my reality moreso than UFOs or the idea of extraterrestrial civilizations. And who to seek help from? The government? Gov won't help you, theyll put you away. Nope we're on our own when dealing with this/these things my friends. All I can say is hang in there because each of us have had to deal with this in one way or the other, so you are definately not alone.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:22pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:17pm, deefree wrote:
What do I want? I want Chad! Where is this guy?
Rajman!! Come out come out wherever you are! Ty??! Hello?! Anybody home?? Isaac!!!! Give us more!!!

We Need More.


Welcome deefree. Good first post.

Did you know that Rajman did come out but got freaked when his flickr account was hacked and he began getting strange late night crank calls.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:25pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:28pm, CloudBreak wrote:
For a picture of a form of carbon and a frog levitating, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism

It is technically possibly to levitate a human in this way.


funny you should bring that up, its the subject of this weeks dave barry column:

http://www.miamiherald.com/dave_barry/story/136037.html

"Get ready to dance naked in the streets, because scientists have finally done something that humanity has long dreamed about, but most of us thought would never happen within our lifetimes.

That's right: They have levitated a frog. I swear I am not making this up. According to an Associated Press article sent in by a number of alert readers, British and Dutch scientists ''have succeeded in floating a frog in air.'' They did this by using magnetism, which, as you recall from physics class, is a powerful force that causes certain items to be attracted to refrigerators. Magnetism is one of the Six Fundamental Forces of the Universe, with the other five being Gravity, Duct Tape, Whining, Remote Control and The Force That Pulls Dogs Toward The Groins Of Strangers."
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:26pm

There’s a couple of things that bother me.

Isaac Wrote,
“So in other words, civilians like myself who had at--at most--some decent experience working for the DoD but no actual military training or involvement, were suddenly finding ourselves in the same room as highly classified extra-terrestrial technology. Of course they spent about 2 months briefing us all before we saw or did anything, and did their best to convince us that if we ever leaked a single detail about what we were being told, they’d do everything short of digging up our ancestors and putting a few slugs in them too just for good measure. It seemed like there was an armed guard in every corner of every room. I’d worked under some pretty hefty NDAs in my time but this was so far out of my depth”

This is self explanatory, Isaac is stressing how much he would stand to lose if he ever leaked ANYTHING he was being told. And how privileged the position was that he held as a CIVILIAN.

Isaac Wrote,
“I was also starting to disagree with the direction the leadership wanted to take as far as the subject of extra-terrestrials went……The truth is, our management didn't even want us discussing non-technical aspects of this subject (such as ethical or philosophical issues), even among ourselves, as they felt it was enough of a breach of security to let civilians like us anywhere near this kind of thing in the first place.”

Again, stressing how important it was to not even discuss with colleagues the implications or origins of anything they were shown, again he mentions CIVILIANS.

The problem I have with this lies in the report/s he leaked. It has the name at the top (PALO ALTO CARET LABORATORY Q4-86 RESEARCH REPORT) this is normal but bearing in mind what he has told us in the quotes above, WHERE IS THE CLASSIFICATION?. Every document that is not meant for public consumption is marked with some sort of classification.

The pictures below come from a report which was classified in the UK and, “SECRET DISCREET” means it is to be shared with the US. Understandably, due to the non-specific implications of the classification they renamed this not long after to “UK & US EYES ONLY.” But I digress……………………….

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The above picture appears at the top of EVERY PAGE.

And the picture below appears at the bottom of EVERY PAGE.
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This method is evident in nearly every document I’ve seen, not just governmental ones but (confidential) private sector ones too. It seems absurd after all of the constant reminders about security that this would be allowed to happen.

Lesser Problems.

Isaac Wrote,
“A page from an inventory review with a photo that appears to depict one of the parts found in the Rajman sighting and parts very similar to the Big Basin craft
The first 9 pages of one of our quarterly research reports
Scans of the original photographs”



Another security issue that greatly bothers me is the fact that these are the exact same photos that we see in the finished report, Isaac even states this himself. Now I may just be a little naïve, but surely if these have been supplied they would have to be signed for or some form of tracking would be in place (to prevent removal.) I would also imagine that all of the computers in such a laboratory would inevitably have ghost/key stroke logger software running on them, or even real time monitoring software.

Surely something/someone monitoring would have realised the photographs were being scanned and if so would have to ask why. And it wasn’t for the final report as he has already said that the PHOTOCOPIED images don’t show up well which is why he scanned the images. Which means he wouldn’t have to scan the images for the report, merely photocopy them.

Which brings us full circle as to whether the scanners in 1987 were capable of producing what is even by todays standards a remarkably clear picture. As it appears that this is what he is saying.

Isaac Wrote,
“The antigrav was amazing, of course, as were the advances we were making with materials engineering and so on. But what interested me most then, and still amazes me most to this day, was something completely unrelated. In fact, it was this technology that immediately jumped out at me when I saw the Chad and Rajman photos, and even moreso in the Big Basin photos.”

He then specifies he’s talking about the, “Language.” Which, “Jumped” out on him in the Big Basin images. They are hardly visible at all without zooming right in.
Is this a genuine mistake. As this was the point at which he spurred him on to deciding that he should go public, would a little detail like this be overlooked?

Anyway, here’s quite a few more troubling things which I’m currently trying to research at the minute. Considering how much information he supplied us there’s very little to work with in terms of the, “Real world.”

Like verifying in any way anything he said………………………………..

on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:58pm, Nephilim wrote:
I forgot to thank DrDil for making the PDF files....thanks. smiley


Pleasure, and in case anyone missed them.
Download the Isaac documentation condensed into a couple of pdf's by Clicking Here [b](Zip File)

There's only two PDF's, the letter and the scanned/photocopied documents, but I left the scans at their original size which makes it very easy to zoom right in on the finest of details. Also it makes looking through the typed photocopies a lot easier.....[/b]
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:30pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:25pm, j w wright wrote:
funny you should bring that up, its the subject of this weeks dave barry column:

http://www.miamiherald.com/dave_barry/story/136037.html



I wouldn't want to be that frog. It probably died shortly after of leukemia or a brain tumor. Did see what it took to only get a frog to float? I don't believe they are on the right track to anti grav.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by JC on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:31pm

This is interesting info

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1271&category=Environment
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:32pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:17am, humanencounter wrote:
On the topic of Isaac. Lets not forget Isaac Newton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton

I think if anything He would pick Isaac because of him. Fits the subject matter.


Everything means something to someone. Considering that he knew he was dealing with anti-gravity, good chance he wanted to be Isaac as to show that gravity can be defied. He has a sense of humor, we saw that in his letter so it's quite probable that he chose Isaac for just that reason.

I played around a little bit here too,

Newton - gravity Gravity cannot be defied
Isaac - anti-gravity Gravity can be defied

Newton - caret A proofreading symbol (^) used to indicate something is to be inserted in a line of written matter. An insertion
Isaac - caret Lacking "proof"
Webster - caret caret "there is lacking," 3rd pers. sing. of carere, meaning "to lack"
Isaac - caret Lacking evidence
Isaac - caret Commercial Applications Research for Extraterrestrial Technology
Internet - caret Centre for Applied Research in Educational Technologies

Newton - insertion An inserted mark
Webster - insertion The act or process of inserting, authorial Insertions
Webster - insertion Aerospace. injection (see def. 6).
Webster - injection (def. 6) Aerospace. the process of putting a spacecraft into orbit or some other desired trajectory.
Isaac - insertion Aerospace

I hope you caught that. A caret is an insertion and an insertion in is defined in Aerospace.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by deefree on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:33pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:22pm, Latitude wrote:
Did you know that Rajman did come out but got freaked when his flickr account was hacked and he began getting strange late night crank calls.



No actually I didn't know that. That does give the case a boost.
Is there any compelling evidence that shows "Chad", "Ty", "Rajman", and the first Big Basin pictures are clearly from different people? I think its pretty clear the older "Birmingham" picture is from a different source.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Nephilim on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:35pm

J w wright:
“since the field effect interprets the sheet of connected symbols as a set of commands for operation, i think its a good guess that the symbols on the crafts components act as addresses for configuration.

they tell the field where they should be placed with precision.

by altering the command symbiology, the craft can be reconfigured, most likely.”


I can see what you are saying. If this is the case, then there can definitely be a way to figure it out.


Cloudbreak:
“Gravity as we know it is a very weak force. To hold objects so rigidly in place, such as to hold a craft together, would require incredibly strong gravitational fields. For example the gravity of the whole earth is not even enough to hold a leaf in place when the wind blows. I'm assuming rigidity is a property of the craft based upon Isaac's broom stick analogy. Hence I would guess that the device would not just have control over gravitational fields.”


I believe this to be true. Let us take the spherical UFOs as an example of this. The lower into Earth’s atmosphere, the more erratic they seem to behave, this has been explained by them using anti-gravity versus Earth’s gravity causing the disturbance and erratic motion. We don’t see these ‘drones’ freaking out. This would indicate another form of elevation.


MarkM:
“ATO, after listening to the witness in the LMH interview describe how the craft maneuvered, and re-reading the other interviews, I think you may be right about the Big Basin craft - the "menacing" one - being a fake. The witnesses, for the most part, describe the tail or fin leading the rest of the craft. The motion (as described) is jumpy, not a smooth rotation from a center point. In looking at the BB craft, it's difficult to envision that type of movement sequence with it. The very fact that, as someone said, it's "over the top", might indicate a fraud. This is a tactic that's often used to discredit things. People hear that ONE thing might be a fake and automatically, without doing any further research, they assume that ALL of them are. Remember when those two guys from the pub in England claimed that they made all of the crop circles with boards and string? People who saw only that news story went on to believe that all crop circles were a hoax. The Big Basin craft (perhaps intentionally made to look scary) is a plant.”


That’s what I am saying. Don’t look at this as ‘all or nothing’ type of scenario. UNLESS it is discovered that ALL of the photos and information comes from one source, or different sources that are affiliated with one another.


J w wright:
“as far as a gravity / anti gravity field effect goes, if any tech was able to generate gravity fields and use them to manipulate adressed objects precisely could also control the range of the gravity effect field.

but if this is anti-gravity, it wouldnt behave like classic gravity at all? anti gravity might not occur in nature

precision high power magnetic fields is a more easily swallowed concept for this, you're right. it would also explain the rigidity of two unconnected objects controlled by a field as one object

the only part that bugs me about it is, as far as i'm aware, only iron and its alloys respond to magentic fields while all matter is affected by gravity

edit: additional thought:

of course, there could be iron targets within the components for the mag field to latch onto and position the component with...”


This is an interesting point. Also consider other ET type metals that are not located on the Earth. They may work in ways we do not yet fully understand and could be a factor in this.


Lattitude:
“About the object looking "over the top"? That's closed minded debunkery speak if you ask me. The entire case could be called over the top. Invisible flying objects held together by force fields? Wow! It does not get any more over the top than that.”

Fisrt off, I do realize this wasn’t Markm’s personal view. Having said that, I have to agree with Lattitude here. Just what is “over the top?” Step back for one second and consider what over the top means to a person who has never contemplated UFOs at all. Almost every topic in a UFO forum is “over the top.” I could not think of a more useless term.


Hjdelight:
“Has anyone considered that if any of this is true concerning invisibility technology, we probably have EBE's, unfriendly people and machines wandering around amongst us undetected? We certainly would not have any secrets as far as they are concerned. Certainly feeds the paranoia!”

Exactly man. I would rather discover this ET, than the New CIA mind control adventure. It must be considered a possibility!

There were many other good points and comments, but I cannot comment on them all or by the time I’m done with this post I’ll have 5 more pages to read lol

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:39pm



BJ just said that there will be no content in the article on the new drone. Just the picture.
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Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:42pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:39pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
BJ just said that there will be no content in the article on the new drone. Just the picture.


more red flags! seems very suspicious to me...
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Post by JC on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:43pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:39pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
BJ just said that there will be no content in the article on the new drone. Just the picture.


Atrueoriginall
Take a look at this info tell me what you think.
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1271&category=Environment


Thanks JC
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:45pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:26pm, DrDil wrote:
There’s a couple of things that bother me.

This is self explanatory, Isaac is stressing how much he would stand to lose if he ever leaked ANYTHING he was being told. And how privileged the position was that he held as a CIVILIAN.


I don't quite get your point in this part. Did you mean this is self explanatory so why then did he do it when he knew he shouldn't?


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Nephilim on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:47pm

On the new photo today:

I am curious as to how exactly we are suddenly seeing so many new sightings.

History:

No sightings of these in the 1980's.
Three sightings in the 1990's.
No sightings for the first six years of the 2000's.
2007, several sightings with more coming out all the time?

Is not something amiss? Or pre-planned?

I thought Isaac said that the only way these are becoming visible is by a technology that has to be something that was not man made. That the tech would have to be more powerful than the 'drone' tech. If this were the case, I'm pretty sure our power cables have nothing to do with this. Did anyone else catch that or did I read that wrong?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:58pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:35pm, Nephilim wrote:
Cloudbreak:
“Gravity as we know it is a very weak force. To hold objects so rigidly in place, such as to hold a craft together, would require incredibly strong gravitational fields. For example the gravity of the whole earth is not even enough to hold a leaf in place when the wind blows. I'm assuming rigidity is a property of the craft based upon Isaac's broom stick analogy. Hence I would guess that the device would not just have control over gravitational fields.”

I believe this to be true. Let us take the spherical UFOs as an example of this. The lower into Earth’s atmosphere, the more erratic they seem to behave, this has been explained by them using anti-gravity versus Earth’s gravity causing the disturbance and erratic motion. We don’t see these ‘drones’ freaking out. This would indicate another form of elevation.


First I'd like to point out that Cloudbreak is accurate in his physics. I'm no physicist but it's always been somewhat of a hobby for me. Over the past week or so I have been in contact with a physicist friend of mine. He specializes in theoretical physics and has written a book on the subject. He is on record as believing this entire case as scientifically plausible. He even has theories as to how the A1 device might function.

Isaac did state that other forms of anti gravity had been recovered and that they did work on different principles. In the beginning of this flap it was speculated that the drones did not appear to be very advanced looking and ever terrestrial in nature. I think the Isaac story completely flies in the face of that notion and that the drone ETs might be some of the more advanced.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:58pm

RE: “This is self explanatory, Isaac is stressing how much he would stand to lose if he ever leaked ANYTHING he was being told. And how privileged the position was that he held as a CIVILIAN.”

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:45pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I don't quite get your point in this part. Did you mean this is self explanatory so why then did he do it when he knew he shouldn't?

Sorry, I meant the body of text explains itself.

The point I was making is made is in the text that follows the quote, basically, what I was trying to do was to draw attention to how Isaac says that the security/civilian issue was constantly referred to, and yet they still allowed him a free reign to scan high profile images of an as of yet, undisclosed extraterrestrial technology.

Not just a UFO craft but the actual technology from one.

Nobody monitoring him, no CCTV, no policing of any kind, whether he was management or not I have trouble with the logic behind it.

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Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:06pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:47pm, Nephilim wrote:
On the new photo today:

I am curious as to how exactly we are suddenly seeing so many new sightings.

History:

No sightings of these in the 1980's.
Three sightings in the 1990's.
No sightings for the first six years of the 2000's.
2007, several sightings with more coming out all the time?

Is not something amiss? Or pre-planned?

I thought Isaac said that the only way these are becoming visible is by a technology that has to be something that was not man made. That the tech would have to be more powerful than the 'drone' tech. If this were the case, I'm pretty sure our power cables have nothing to do with this. Did anyone else catch that or did I read that wrong?



Nope, you read it right, perhaps he's suggesting that a massive leap has recently been made in this kind of technology, or there is some new rogue technology that has been realised but not yet successfully controlled/harnessed?

Or maybes it’s the US jumping on the slow moving disclosure bandwagon that France and the UK have jumpstarted with the release of SOME of their UFO files.

Although in the UK’s case I believe it was to pre-empt the deluge of FOIA request they are receiving on a regular basis. (So that they can simply refer the seeker to a website without having to physically locate the documents in question. )

Not, I hasten to add because of any great conspiracy, but because of the man-power/man-hours they are losing to the FOIA.
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Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:10pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:58pm, DrDil wrote:
what I was trying to do was to draw attention to how Isaac says that the security/civilian issue was constantly referred to, and yet they still allowed him a free reign to scan high profile images of an as of yet, undisclosed extraterrestrial technology.


He states the issue is constantly 'referred to' but that might be words spoken, where they are reminding them continually about their jobs as civilians and the NDA they signed.

He never stated that they had security standing there in their work space continually through the day looking over their shoulder besides monitoring devices.

I imagine if it was common place for him to frequent a copier or scanner that he would do just that like he had done with unclassified material. Unless they physically monitored the area where such documents are reproduced.

I'm just guessing here of course because I've never worked under an NDA.


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Post by hjdelight on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:11pm

drdil,
I see your point. For such earth shaking technology, it seems rather lackluster security. He's very convincing though in the story but on the other hand, why risk jail or worse to steal (that's what it is) this material and then sit on it for all these years. Then release it and risk jail time or worse for no gain at all.

HJ
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Post by GForce on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:21pm

On the new photo what some are calling a lander is actually probably an irrigation head used to water the field. I have several that looks very close to that from a distance. The fact its in the picture of the drone makes me skeptical of the latest picture. Especially since what I'm calling an irrigation head might make someone think it was some sort of lander or probe when there's a drone pictured overhead. A bit too suspicious for me. Just an opinion!Dan
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:23pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:11pm, hjdelight wrote:
drdil,
I see your point. For such earth shaking technology, it seems rather lackluster security. He's very convincing though in the story but on the other hand, why risk jail or worse to steal (that's what it is) this material and then sit on it for all these years. Then release it and risk jail time or worse for no gain at all.

HJ


I was in the military back in the '80s and did work with crypto. I now work in the IT field. I can tell you that the difference in security between then and now is night and day. But I do agree that Isaac is risking serious jail time or worse.

I don't know if you believe in Bob Lazar, I don't even know if I believe in him. He supposedly avoided any problems with the USG by going completely public. He said the safest place to be is in the public eye. Then there's Gordon Novell who says he avoids any entanglements by having evidence CDroms waiting to be delivered at a moments notice should anything happen to him.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by hjdelight on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:30pm

Quote:
I was in the military back in the '80s and did work with crypto. I now work in the IT field. I can tell you that the difference in security between then and now is night and day. But I do agree that Isaac is risking serious jail time or worse.

I don't know if you believe in Bob Lazar, I don't even know if I believe in him. He supposedly avoided any problems with the USG by going completely public. He said the safest place to be is in the public eye. Then there's Gordon Novell who says he avoids any entanglements by having evidence CDroms waiting to be delivered at a moments notice should anything happen to him.


Lazar's story is fascinating but he could be pretty much ignored by them since it was just a story. This story has proof with it. It sets a bad example for others who might want to get their story out. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now.

HJ

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by starsigndavid on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:34pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:22pm, Nephilim wrote:
seek professional help? Are you kidding me?? Go ahead, tell a shrink you believe in UFOs, see your self commited against your will within the hour. laugh

I think discovering we have a secret government shattered my reality moreso than UFOs or the idea of extraterrestrial civilizations. And who to seek help from? The government? Gov won't help you, theyll put you away. Nope we're on our own when dealing with this/these things my friends. All I can say is hang in there because each of us have had to deal with this in one way or the other, so you are definately not alone.




THANK YOU VERY MUCH! smiley I really appreciate that. I am not nuts--I am a good guy with a good profession and this whole thing has thrown me. I will be fine.
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Post by hjdelight on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:40pm

That doesn't mean you aren't nuts though...Lol! grin Just kidding. But as they say, even paranoids have enemies so just because you're nuts doesn't mean you're wrong.

HJ
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Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:41pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:21pm, GForce wrote:
Especially since what I'm calling an irrigation head might make someone think it was some sort of lander or probe...


not that it means anything, but i cant find any image of industrial agricultural irrigation equipment that looks remotely like that...

looks too complicated to be that kind of hardware anyway, generally farm equipment is lean and mean to keep expenses down, no extra parts to repair... etc...


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by hjdelight on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:45pm

Ok...I guess I'll try to find it too. There's just something about it that's familiar and I remember irrigation units being presented as UFO's in the past.

HJ
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:47pm

I have a question because I'm a photographer dummy. I was going to do some miniature bigbasin drones for my signature area and when I attempted this, I ended up with a question I need answering.

The top picture is the original picture received at the UFO Casebook from Jenna on behalf of Stephen.

First I brought the original into plain ole Paint and as decribed in the picture below, I made a copy of the original, wrapped around it and clicked 'clear background' and then drug it to a solid black surface. Once on the solid black surface, I noticed that black was showing through where pixels should be.

Who can tell me what I did and why the black holes around the circumference of the craft and to the right of the craft? Don't make me feel bad with my silly little question either - I don't do photos. rolleyes rolleyes

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:49pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:10pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
He states the issue is constantly 'referred to' but that might be words spoken, where they are reminding them continually about their jobs as civilians and the NDA they signed.

He never stated that they had security standing there in their work space continually through the day looking over their shoulder besides monitoring devices.

I imagine if it was common place for him to frequent a copier or scanner that he would do just that like he had done with unclassified material. Unless they physically monitored the area where such documents are reproduced.

I'm just guessing here of course because I've never worked under an NDA.



"Of course they spent about 2 months briefing us all before we saw or did anything, and did their best to convince us that if we ever leaked a single detail about what we were being told, they’d do everything short of digging up our ancestors and putting a few slugs in them too just for good measure. It seemed like there was an armed guard in every corner of every room."

Sounds like fairly stringent security to me. Certainly reason enough not to leave photographs lying around next to untended scanners. Just asking for trouble?
Especially photographs which, the very existence of would have profound and world wide implications that would extend to practically every intelligent, living being on the planet.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by GForce on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:49pm

JW I worked for a state park "Lake Lanier Islands" back in the 80's its located in Georgia. The Ecology Dept used a type of head that we commonly called a quik cuppler?sp It is almost identical except for the stand. My guess and this is purely a guess is someone DRESSED it up. Needless to say I think the new photo is a hoax. The others may be legit but I think this one is a hoax! Just my opinion!
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Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:50pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:34pm, starsigndavid wrote:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH! smiley I really appreciate that. I am not nuts--I am a good guy with a good profession and this whole thing has thrown me. I will be fine.


Ok. I was only trying to help but I can see Nep's point. I just thought that maybe a professional might be able to help remove whatever it is that hinders your daily life. But I'm curious, can you give specifics in how it has altered your behavior?
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Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:51pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:40pm, hjdelight wrote:
That doesn't mean you aren't nuts though...Lol! grin Just kidding. But as they say, even paranoids have enemies so just because you're nuts doesn't mean you're wrong.

HJ

Or,
"Just because you're paranoid,
doesn't mean they're not after you!!"

(Cobain)
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Post by Makasu on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:51pm

Jpg-compression works that way smiley Speicially when an image is resaved over and over again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG

Enjoying this enigma btw and im working on a complete vector interpretation of the "linguistic analysis primers". Ill have the first part (p119) up here later tonight.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:54pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:49pm, GForce wrote:
JW I worked for a state park "Lake Lanier Islands" back in the 80's its located in Georgia. The Ecology Dept used a type of head that we commonly called a quik cuppler?sp It is almost identical except for the stand. My guess and this is purely a guess is someone DRESSED it up. Needless to say I think the new photo is a hoax. The others may be legit but I think this one is a hoax! Just my opinion!


Can you link to a picture of said irrigation device? I assume the antenae mean this thing is radio controlled?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:55pm

more analysis of the new pic:

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:04pm



Just a little note since it pertains to some that are posting in this thread. I'll get back to all my PMs when I can. They're sorta backing up. 22 to be exact and I have other things going on in there I need to play catch up on first.

By the way, if you didn't know it or realize it, we have 8 Global Moderators like myself and 6 Board Moderators. Besides vacations I don't know where they're at except for Gus but he Australia and Merlin is UK so they wouldn't be on yet so I'm all alone all by my lonesome.

There, I think that's enough excuses for now. grin grin




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:06pm

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:11pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:55pm, j w wright wrote:
more analysis of the new pic:

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Pardon my ignorance, but to what are you referring, the one or two lighter pixels a short way from the craft, or the lighter pixels that immediately surround the craft?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by GForce on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:13pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:54pm, Latitude wrote:
Can you link to a picture of said irrigation device? I assume the antenae mean this thing is radio controlled?


What makes you think it has an antenna or that is radio/remote controlled? And what part of DRESSED up and just my opinion don't you understand? Irrigations heads just like cars come in many shapes and sizes. Not to mention they change in design as well. As I said this is my opinion. Just as most of this thread is based on opinions and theories. I don't see a lot of facts here. So if you want to surf the web for irrigation heads feel free. I don't feel the need to prove an opinion. Dan
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:15pm

the lighter pixels dont seem to be from jpeg compression, which averages the color over adjacent pixels

but leftover pixels from erasing around an image on a layer sometimes leaves a few on the layer, depending on the care taken and brush feathering raduis
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:18pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:15pm, j w wright wrote:
the lighter pixels dont seem to be from jpeg compression, which averages the color over adjacent pixels

but leftover pixels from erasing around an image on a layer sometimes leaves a few on the layer, depending on the care taken and brush feathering raduis


RE: Pardon my ignorance, but to what are you referring, the one or two lighter pixels a short way from the craft, or the lighter pixels that immediately surround the craft?

Don’t they also appear around the tree?

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrkDrgn on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:21pm

A 4Real Group note.
Several of our people are suggesting there is a silent buzz in holywood over this whole issue. Talk is being directed towards a new movie called Transformers.
This could be a publicity stunt. I am not saying it is a fact.
After our reply from a source inside army inteligence Seems all I am getting is more Gosh darned confused.
If it is a hoax why were we told we do not want to go there? But why are people silently laughing in Holywood? This is a really really good hoax if it is indeed a hoax. We will keep pushing for the truth. As soon as we hear something solid it will be posted.
Sorry we have not been much help, but it is not for lack of effort. Our phones and field people are on this 24 - 7
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:22pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:54pm, mantis wrote:
ok take a look at this zoom in on the red outline i have made were to the rest of the wire go this looks a photoshop job again
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I think Latitude was referring to this thread which has all of the drones in it where they hashed out the inconsistencies. But, I'm not positive. We only have two theads so this would have to be it I guess.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=reports&num=1179108769&start=0

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:24pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:18pm, DrDil wrote:
Don’t they also appear around the tree?


nah, that looks like jpeg averaging, see the area below? same hue
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:24pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:13pm, GForce wrote:
What makes you think it has an antenna or that is radio/remote controlled? And what part of DRESSED up and just my opinion don't you understand? Irrigations heads just like cars come in many shapes and sizes. Not to mention they change in design as well. As I said this is my opinion. Just as most of this thread is based on opinions and theories. I don't see a lot of facts here. So if you want to surf the web for irrigation heads feel free. I don't feel the need to prove an opinion. Dan


Chill Dan,
I just thought it would be helpful to see a picture of it. It's not that I'm doubting you or anything. I thought you said you were an authority on these irrigation heads. No need to get defensive. Also, look at the pic again. It does look like it has antenae sticking out at the top. So you think somebody stuck antenae on it but I did a search on farm irrigation and radio control is not uncommon.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:27pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:17pm, deefree wrote:
What do I want? I want Chad! Where is this guy?
Rajman!! Come out come out wherever you are! Ty??! Hello?! Anybody home?? Isaac!!!! Give us more!!!

We Need More.


Me too! I want em all and I want to hear them talk and I want to see their face. It's sad but it's only fair to us. Excluding Isaac certainly, what do they have to lose by doing so. Has anyone considered that? I don't see anything wrong whatsoever about photographing something you believe to be a UFO and then sending it to a UFO website. That's so innocent it's pathetic. So where are they?

And welcome to the UFO Casebook Deefree!

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:33pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:24pm, Latitude wrote:
It does look like it has antenae sticking out at the top.


it sure does, if it is irrigation, that would be a practical way to control it, but what about power?

i'm thinking about the solar powered emergency phones you see along remote highways...

if it is supposedly et hardware, maybe it is the broadcast node that controls the craft? or its power source? both?

unless there are more pics of this encounter, i would write it off as a hoax pic


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Nephilim on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:35pm

I say ahead of time, I apologise for me upcoming rageful remarks smiley

Now, if this turns out to be some hollywood joke or some kind of promotion for the TF movie...I will boycott TF forever! I boycott the video game that I think is so pathetic I'll not even say its name anymore [you all know which game I refer to].

This prank will prove to blow up in the prankster's face!

BOYCOTT HOLLYWOOD FOR THIS! YOU THINK IT IS 'CUTE' TO PLAY ON PEOPLE'S EMOTIONS?? JUST WAIT! YOU WILL NOT THINK IT SO 'CUTE' AFTER THE FACT!! angry I HOPE YOU ALL LOSE SO MUCH MONEY YOUR BUSINESS COLLAPSES! [to the hollywood if it turns out to be false]
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by GForce on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:35pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:24pm, Latitude wrote:
Chill Dan,
I just thought it would be helpful to see a picture of it. It's not that I'm doubting you or anything. I thought you said you were an authority on these irrigation heads. No need to get defensive. Also, look at the pic again. It does look like it has antenae sticking out at the top. So you think somebody stuck antenae on it but I did a search on farm irrigation and radio control is not uncommon.


Sorry dude! I do know some things about irrigation heads since I'm always working on my system. I think I even have an old quik cuppler out in the barn. If I do I'll dress it up and take a photo. I bet I can come very close to the image.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:39pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:27pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Me too! I want em all and I want to hear them talk and I want to see their face. It's sad but it's only fair to us. Excluding Isaac certainly, what do they have to lose by doing so. Has anyone considered that? I don't see anything wrong whatsoever about photographing something you believe to be a UFO and then sending it to a UFO website. That's so innocent it's pathetic. So where are they?

And welcome to the UFO Casebook Deefree!


ATO,
I can see why they would want to remain anonomous. I would not want my employer finding out I'm a UFO guy. Nep just posted how going to a shrink and telling them you saw a ufo will get you put away! If all of these witnesses were to come out in the open they can pretty much kiss a normal life goodbye. Most people wouldn't even be brave enough to send in a pic for fear it may be traced back to them. It's a sad state of affairs but that is the way the world is.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by GForce on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:42pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:33pm, j w wright wrote:
it sure does, if it is irrigation, that would be a practical way to control it, but what about power?

i'm thinking about the solar powered emergency phones you see along remote highways...

if it is supposedly et hardware, maybe it is the broadcast node that controls the craft? or its power source? both?

unless there are more pics of this encounter, i would write it off as a hoax pic



If it is a irrigation head it wouldn't need power unless it was hooked up to a timer system. most quik cupplers turn and lock into place. That forces open a valve and it runs off the pressure in the line. Same holds true if a sprinkler that runs off a water hose. You don't need power just water pressure. The fact the object has legs leads me to believe it was dressed up. That was all I was trying to say.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:44pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:35pm, Nephilim wrote:
I say ahead of time, I apologise for me upcoming rageful remarks smiley

Now, if this turns out to be some hollywood joke or some kind of promotion for the TF movie...I will boycott TF forever! I boycott the video game that I think is so pathetic I'll not even say its name anymore [you all know which game I refer to].

This prank will prove to blow up in the prankster's face!

BOYCOTT HOLLYWOOD FOR THIS! YOU THINK IT IS 'CUTE' TO PLAY ON PEOPLE'S EMOTIONS?? JUST WAIT! YOU WILL NOT THINK IT SO 'CUTE' AFTER THE FACT!! angry I HOPE YOU ALL LOSE SO MUCH MONEY YOUR BUSINESS COLLAPSES! [to the hollywood if it turns out to be false]

I second the motion (or at least the sentiment.)
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:47pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:35pm, Nephilim wrote:
I say ahead of time, I apologise for me upcoming rageful remarks smiley


nah, this has nothing to do with anything viral, theres no connection to anything commercial
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:59pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:26pm, DrDil wrote:
Which brings us full circle as to whether the scanners in 1987 were capable of producing what is even by todays standards a remarkably clear picture. As it appears that this is what he is saying.


My 1987 scanner could produce something that looks like his documents but not his pictures. Possibly he has originals and isn't stating so.

Since Issac worked in the Silicon Valley, it's fair to say they weren't lacking the latest computer technology and I wouldn't have a clue as to who that would have been back then.

Two improved versions were launched afterwards, the 6085-II with an almost twice as fast processor, and the XPIW (Xerox Publishing Illustrator's Workstation), basically a 6085 workstation with a scanner.

NAME 6085
MANUFACTURER Xerox
TYPE Professional Computer
ORIGIN U.S.A.
YEAR 1985
END OF PRODUCTION 1989
BUILT IN LANGUAGE None
KEYBOARD 95 key Typewriter style with 20 funtion keys and numeric keypad
CPU Xerox Mesa
SPEED 8 MHz
CO-PROCESSOR Unknown
RAM 1.1 MB up to 3.7 MB
VRAM Unknown
ROM Unknown
TEXT MODES Bit-map characters
GRAPHIC MODES 880 x 697 dots
COLORS Monochrome
SOUND Yes, see below
SIZE / WEIGHT Unknown
I/O PORTS 2 serial ports
BUILT IN MEDIA 5.25 floppy drive, 10 to 80 MB HDD
OS Xerox ViewPoint
POWER SUPPLY Built-in power supply unit
PERIPHERALS Unknown
PRICE From $4995

Wow, and we complain about $699.99

Another scanner found in the archaic department was a 1985 Microtek introduces the world's first 300-dpi black-and-white sheetfed scanner.



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:59pm

Had to tear myself away for a bit, although not voluntarily! Just getting caught up.

On the question of Isaac's timing regarding the release of his information: I think it's possible that before the drone sightings he felt that nobody would believe him, the media certainly would have scoffed at it. He would have risked everything and accomplished nothing. Then - people started to see these things, and better yet, to photograph them. He's got corroboration for his story from people with no connection (that we know of) to the project. There's a far better chance that his story will have legs, and that's exactly what's happened. Imagine this - Isaac's info without any drone photos or witness testimony. Remember, he never saw one assembled, just the parts. What would we have made of his revelation? If it's being critically dissected now, can you imagine what would have happened without the photo evidence that proceeded it?

As to why the FBI, CIA, etc. hasn't nabbed him yet, that's easy - they're all here in Maine!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Nephilim on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:59pm

Well, I hope you are correct. I do personally think that Mr. Spielberg has more integrity than to put his name with such a shamelss promotion.

I just had to say that to make clear of the repercussions. I do not like that hollywood snickers in the background. I HATE elitists! Their arrogance is the key to their downfall. Having said this, I'll not post about this again. I said my peace on the matter.

On another note: I think Jugement mentioned, or suggested, possibly the size in diameter being large enough for a human to travel through the center of the 'drone,' anyone have any suggestions or new ideas as to what these things are for? What they are doing?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by GForce on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:03pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:35pm, Nephilim wrote:
I say ahead of time, I apologise for me upcoming rageful remarks smiley

Now, if this turns out to be some hollywood joke or some kind of promotion for the TF movie...I will boycott TF forever! I boycott the video game that I think is so pathetic I'll not even say its name anymore [you all know which game I refer to].

This prank will prove to blow up in the prankster's face!

BOYCOTT HOLLYWOOD FOR THIS! YOU THINK IT IS 'CUTE' TO PLAY ON PEOPLE'S EMOTIONS?? JUST WAIT! YOU WILL NOT THINK IT SO 'CUTE' AFTER THE FACT!! angry I HOPE YOU ALL LOSE SO MUCH MONEY YOUR BUSINESS COLLAPSES! [to the hollywood if it turns out to be false]


If it turns out to be a hoax then look at the bright side. At least we all boosted our post total. The problem is we all want to know the truth. And when something like this breaks we all jump on it. Hoping its the smoking gun. But finding the evidence to validate UFOs is harder than finding a needle in a crop circle. And everyone knows and uses that against us. Be it Hollywood, book authors or even those who plan and carry out hoaxes. The key is not to lose sight that this could be real or it could be a hoax. That way you won't lose any sleep. Just my opinion.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Nephilim on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:08pm

Duely noted G-Force. wink
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Max on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:13pm

Somebody has been busy digging lots and lots of rabbit holes lately!

We have had the reintroduction of Serpo, a childlike composition of unbelievable scope and even more unbelievably bad writing.

We have been exposed to the so-called "incident at gate 3", an equally unbelievable and downright silly story of intrepid OSI agents going mano a mano with a run-away alien.

We had a flash-in-the-pan mini-furor as Gus Russo's much anticipated article for Rolling Stone turned up in American Chronicle instead. That was quickly followed by all the roaches running for cover as if somebody had suddenly turned on the lights, since the article didn't quite say what those with the rabbit hole shovels expected.

But the biggest rabbit hole of all has been the "California Gizmo" and related sightings. This has drawn an unbelievable amount of attention on many internet sites, including some who should know better. It only goes to further prove that you can fool most of the people most of the time, or at least those involved in UFOlogy.

As the over-analysis done over and over again began to look like an obsession, attention began to wane. Suddenly we had an shot of adrenalin injected into the story by the introduction of "Isaac". This seemed to give the Gizmo story a brand new life! A brand new over-analysis has begun with every outrageous theory possible thrown into the hat for consideration.

We have people seriously talking about alien engineering issues as if this was all common place and they had just completed their studies on the subject at the local community college!

Way to go, guys with the shovels! Good job! This has certainly helped to "move the story forward"! Only one problem: There is a slight aroma of desperation in the air! can you catch a whiff?

For all practical purposes Serpo has taken a back seat to this, the R&D show has faded into obscurity and we are no longer paying any attention to the "TC" group!

Instead we have gone from being fascinated with "dragonfly drones" zipping around in plain sight during daylight hours so people can take wonderfully clear photographs, down to the clear "Klingon"-like writing which must be the equivalent of the "do not step here" writing on our fighting machines.

Problem is, with all of this visibility, there have only been a handful of semi-identifiable individuals who have taken these photographs, and have not been able to take a video at all. None have come forward and said "Hello, my name is Luke Skygazer and I am a UFO watcher. Here are the original photos on my trusty SD card or here are the negatives from my 35mm." And probably most importantly, none have been interviewed in person, always by phone. Right now everyone responsible for the biggest disclosure of the biggest phenomenon in human history wants to remain hidden and anonymous. (Did I really say Anonymous?) Maybe it'll happen soon. You think?

Well, thank goodness at least "Isaac" has stepped forward, even if it is with another false moniker and a promise to remain hidden at all costs. Why remain hidden? Because he doesn't want to be tracked down and prosecuted for releasing classified pictures and documents which are not marked as such and have a slight ring (sort of like a firehouse bell) of forgery about them.

But hey, he at least has given us pictures of more writing clearly seen as it is white writing on black surfaces, so we can analyze those for a while. Wait, did I say black? The flying ones were white. I wonder if the guys at the paint-shop would be willing to talk! These damn engineers putting these things together are sure tight-lipped!

Maybe it's because they're not too proud of the aesthetic value of their craft? I mean, sheesh, guys, have a little pride! These things look like my Hoover when I completely took it apart one time (looking for my Master Card bill that I vacuumed by mistake) and when I tried to put it all back together it looked like these things. Could these things win the Serpo equivalent of a soap-box derby?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:19pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:34pm, starsigndavid wrote:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH! smiley I really appreciate that. I am not nuts--I am a good guy with a good profession and this whole thing has thrown me. I will be fine.


Yep! You will. Here's a new toy to play with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXSWHp1GdKg&mode=related&search=
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:22pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:59pm, MarkM wrote:
Had to tear myself away for a bit, although not voluntarily! Just getting caught up.

On the question of Isaac's timing regarding the release of his information: I think it's possible that before the drone sightings he felt that nobody would believe him, the media certainly would have scoffed at it. He would have risked everything and accomplished nothing. Then - people started to see these things, and better yet, to photograph them. He's got corroboration for his story from people with no connection (that we know of) to the project. There's a far better chance that his story will have legs, and that's exactly what's happened. Imagine this - Isaac's info without any drone photos or witness testimony. Remember, he never saw one assembled, just the parts. What would we have made of his revelation? If it's being critically dissected now, can you imagine what would have happened without the photo evidence that proceeded it?

As to why the FBI, CIA, etc. hasn't nabbed him yet, that's easy - they're all here in Maine!


Excellent points, MarkM.
But what about the rest of Isaac's hundreds of documents and photos? Are they now in jeopardy? Will he ever have a chance to get those out to us?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:26pm

Another opinion, not in 100% agreement, but makes some intriguing points:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Nephilim on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:32pm

Perhaps a direction we should look at:

[Sacred Geometry]
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:35pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:21pm, DarkDragon wrote:
A 4Real Group note.
Several of our people are suggesting there is a silent buzz in holywood over this whole issue. Talk is being directed towards a new movie called Transformers.


Old news that started in here about page 3 so you need to do a lot of catching up. Meanwhile, we have separated out all viral marketing campaigns from this thread and they are to be posted on in the following address. That stuff gets in the way of researching this that and the other thing, which right now is more important and that thread will be sitting there for all of us to resort to if need be.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182283823


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:44pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:39pm, Latitude wrote:
ATO,
I can see why they would want to remain anonomous. I would not want my employer finding out I'm a UFO guy. .


But these aren't UFO guys. They just happened to be somewhere and had a camera in their possession.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Datsky1 on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:44pm

Hello!

It is 100 % 3D!!!!!!!!!
They such also turn out if them to make how the presented picture is made, render with optionspractically by default - without reflections of surrounding space except for a plane on a kotra the object stands, with same precisely characteristic shadows of the same precisely color. So that there would not write and that would not speak are a three-dimensional image.

However, that the image is 3D model is not spoken us that with this model not existing! I think not a secret, what even teapots electric before to sell in the form of the ready functional device, all over again create the project using the help 3D


Greetings from the RF

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by beenieweenie on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:56pm

Hi everyone,

This is my first post here, so please be gentle!

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:26pm, DrDil wrote:
The problem I have with this lies in the report/s he leaked. It has the name at the top (PALO ALTO CARET LABORATORY Q4-86 RESEARCH REPORT) this is normal but bearing in mind what he has told us in the quotes above, WHERE IS THE CLASSIFICATION?. Every document that is not meant for public consumption is marked with some sort of classification.


Actually, in my line of work (surplus - in San Diego, a nice military town), we have occasionally obtained binders/documents from the Navy, Marines, and SPAWAR that were marked/stamped "classified", though not necessarily every single page - and were never marked "de-classified". I'm also thinking that it would be possible for Isaac to have photocopied a classified document that had not yet been given any stamp.

We also occasionally end up with "surplus" hardware that we have trouble identifying, but you can bet that as soon as we list it on eBay, the Department of Defense shows up at our door to take it back - even though it came directly from them. I guess my point is, classified stuff slips past them on a very regular basis.

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:26pm, DrDil wrote:
Surely something/someone monitoring would have realised the photographs were being scanned and if so would have to ask why.



Isaac noted that he "made out with hundreds of photocopies, as well as a few originals and a large collection of original photographs"

Later he states that he was including "Scans of the original photographs used in that report, since the photocopies obscure most of the details "

I take this to mean that for the typed reports, he is showing photocopies, and that he scanned the original photos recently, in order to include them with his report.

In any case, I'm new to the whole UFO thing. I've always been fascinated, and I have family members that have been close to the space program - but I have only been spending time on these websites for a couple months - around when some of the other strange craft photos appeared. I must say, this thread has kept me quite unproductive at work the past couple days. smiley

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Dyce on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:01pm

Kind of hard to understand what you mean Datsky1. Did you use http://babelfish.altavista.com to translate that to English? Are you trying to say you believe that the pictures are 3D CGI?

Anyways, hello all. My first post here. I have been following all of this since the day the pictures of the drones where released on C2C.

I am still on the fence and will most likely stay that way until I see some more information from Issac.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Datsky1 on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:14pm

Dyce!
YES
I am, trying to say that the pictures are 3D

User Image
and
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:26pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:56pm, beenieweenie wrote:
We also occasionally end up with "surplus" hardware that we have trouble identifying, but you can bet that as soon as we list it on eBay, the Department of Defense shows up at our door to take it back - even though it came directly from them.


I'll be gentle - eek, eek

You need to become a whistleblower - thats tax payer money they're messing with. You can become San Diego's Erin Brockovich since who knows what the DoD could accidentally put into your hands.



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:26pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:56pm, beenieweenie wrote:
Hi everyone,

Isaac noted that he "made out with hundreds of photocopies, as well as a few originals and a large collection of original photographs"


You make a valid point.

If Isaac does indeed speak the truth, then surely, “The original photographs” he managed to sneak out of the complex would be missed.

Surely they are part of only a handful of documents which not only specify their origins as being extraterrestrial, but actually have the original photos of the recovered extraterrestrial technology (antigravity drive). They then employ a handful of elite persons to try to understand and reverse engineer this technology yet don’t notice when original photographs go missing.

Could the extraterrestrial technology really mean so little to them as to not even closely monitor all corroborative evidence.

And as for, “Classified stuff slipping past them.” This is a little more than just classified stuff. It’s essentially photographs, the very existence of which would have profound and world wide implications that would extend to practically every intelligent, living being on the planet.

I appreciate what you are saying, but personally I feel a little more emphasis would be placed on the security side when dealing with an alien antigravity device obtained from a crashed alien spacecraft.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:27pm

the drones have too many flaws and imperfections to be cgi, it would be an enormous effrt to design the drone, model them, use such a high poly count to create the nearly imperceptible flaws in geometry, create textures set up lighting, composite and create an elaborate and convincing backstory along with groundbreaking graphic languages, numerous photos in different styles and thats just for starters

it would be easier to produce a motion picture for theatrical release
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:28pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:32pm, Nephilim wrote:
Perhaps a direction we should look at:

[Sacred Geometry]


I'm not even going to open that up. I'm breaking my brain as it is Nephilim.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:30pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:26pm, DrDil wrote:
“The original photographs” he managed to sneak out of the complex would be missed..


i wouldnt be surprised to discover a pretty good photolab on the premises where isaac worked

plenty of photographic prints for the teams to use as they work, who would miss one of a number of copies of all the components?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:33pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:30pm, j w wright wrote:
i wouldnt be surprised to discover a pretty good photolab on the premises where isaac worked

plenty of photographic prints for the teams to use as they work, who would miss one of a number of copies of all the components?

See my last post on what I think is the importance of the subject matter, and why I feel it would be kept under lock and key.

And you think proof of technology such as this would be just handed over to a photolab. Isaac & co were hand selected individuals who were briefed for two months before they could even look at anything, then there was an armed guard in nearly every corner of every room.

And it’s not really just one of the many components. It’s THE COMPONENT. One of a pair of recovered antigravity devices.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:34pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:14pm, Datsky1 wrote:
Dyce!
YES
I am, trying to say that the pictures are 3D



cgi geometry is too perfect to be realistic, unless very, very much time and effort is spent, then the geometry would be too high for most desktop systems to cope with

a pretty high end engineering workstation could handle it, so much effort for what payoff? a laugh?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Datsky1 on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:38pm

j w wright,
For professional 3d designers it is nonsense. Here in general options by default are installed. And the author of these pictures not strongly owns 3d
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:40pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:33pm, DrDil wrote:
See my last post on what I think is the importance of the subject matter, and why I feel it would be kept under lock and key.


humans are fallable, everyone is working long hours, fatigue and apathy sets in, routine, etc...

photographic prints the teams use to work become tattered, more copies are needed, the photo lab prints off more copies some copies get lost in the shuffle...

stacks of papers and folders on desks, worktables, staging areas, etc...

have you ever worked with people in a team collaborative envioronment?

humans are at best, barely conscious
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LAU on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:44pm

Hi all
This is my first post in a loong time.
I've been reading this forum for days in a row, and I think no one else mentioned something I remembered:

Have you seen the interviews made to the persons that had 2nd hand contact with the Rosewell crash?
I remember seing a couple of TV docs where I can recall an interview where the boy (at the time) saying that his father bringing home some very light beans with symbols writen all over them

It's impossible not to make the connection. Obviously the UFO that crashed in Roswell was using this very same technology.


Just my 5 cents
(sorry the poor english
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by VonStern on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:44pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:26pm, DrDil wrote:
You make a valid point.

If Isaac does indeed speak the truth, then surely, “The original photographs” he managed to sneak out of the complex would be missed.

Surely they are part of only a handful of documents which not only specify their origins as being extraterrestrial, but actually have the original photos of the recovered extraterrestrial technology (antigravity drive). They then employ a handful of elite persons to try to understand and reverse engineer this technology yet don’t notice when original photographs go missing.

Could the extraterrestrial technology really mean so little to them as to not even closely monitor all corroborative evidence.

And as for, “Classified stuff slipping past them.” This is a little more than just classified stuff. It’s essentially photographs, the very existence of which would have profound and world wide implications that would extend to practically every intelligent, living being on the planet.

I appreciate what you are saying, but personally I feel a little more emphasis would be placed on the security side when dealing with an alien antigravity device obtained from a crashed alien spacecraft.


Remember, Isaac was COPYING the files...not retrieving them.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:45pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:38pm, Datsky1 wrote:
j w wright,
For professional 3d designers it is nonsense. Here in general options by default are installed. And the author of these pictures not strongly owns 3d


i produce 3d models and animation for video, animations and interactive programming, i study the industry constantly

i would love to see someone produce a 3d model, with the level of detail as seen in the inventory photo, along with the textures and lighting and rendering in under 80 hours of straight work

that person would be better off pulling down 6 figures at skywalker ranch

the drone has a higher level of detail than any 3d model ever seen on screen, including the transformers

models for screen have no need for such minute detail, good thing, because it is enormously time consuming to do so with little payoff
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:47pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:26pm, MarkM wrote:
Another opinion, not in 100% agreement, but makes some intriguing points:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/


Indeed it does, very good read.
This is my 1st at length post here, I've replied to a couple in the last few days.
I'm not new to this, I saw my 1st unknown at the age of 5, 47 years ago while I was walking my dog. Over the years there have been more, I'm in the Hudson Valley area of NY, quite exciting times here then to say the least, caught sight of 2 of those. But there were more that weren't publicized in the years following. In '87 I stood with 3 police officers and 10 of my neighbors watching something hovering over Nyack Hospital, my girlfriend and I gave chase for about 8 miles scaring the hell out of her, but it blew us off. Oh yeah, all of those people, cameras in the houses, no film, I kid you not.
This Strange Craft deal is quite interesting. There seems to be a mish-mash of truth, lies, disclosure, disinformation, and a bit of something is coming..... by the way, there was another sighting on the 27th http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1279&category=Environment
In '87 I worked for a motion picture camera company as a technician and instructor, you could get a really good scanner back then for over $7000, since there were really few PC's who knew unless your job called for it.
This is one of the better forums I've visited, most here have very constructive and interesting things to say, keep up the good work, we may just get to the bottom of this.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Datsky1 on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:59pm

j w wright !
Compare also character of shadows and reflections. Even color of a shadow by default - blue.

Look at two pictures on 39 page. You are assured, what it photo?

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES - SOLVED ???
Post by castles4me on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:02pm

on Jun 27th, 2007, 12:49pm, MarkM wrote:
I was thinking about what "Isaac" said about the symbols and how they are both the program and the execution. When we look at how the parts of an atom must be aligned in a precise configuration in order to create a specific "thing", it's not difficult to see how this might work. ......
I know that it might seem a stretch for some, but looking at the "linguistics" really reminded me of some of the crop circle patterns (see earlier post). Just as the symbols arranged as they are on the craft dictate a action, perhaps some of the circle patterns are programs. What might be the "machine" being programmed? The earth itself? Do they (the symbols / language / code) somehow interact with the electromagnetic field to cause something?


I totally agree with this. We always wondered WHY THE CROP CIRCLES? Are they trying to communicate with us? Are they just letting us know they are here? The crop circles, IMO are a linguistics program in and of itself designed (usually on top of areas with high level of magnetic fields) to create a program for operational activity here on earth. Like a computer programmer would write a computer program. The earth's surface and the field is their writing tablet and the images themselves are complex linguistics programs that, once created, the image itself (as Isaac stated) carries out intricate functions. Otherwise, why would aliens just create "art" in wheatfields -- this makes no sense.
I am definitely leaning towards the fact that this is NOT a hoax. Information or disinformation is still in question. The fact that there is such clear photos from several eye-witnesses makes it -- a big "WHOOPSIE" with the government, someone came forward with enough information, but not enough to prove. I am leaning toward the fact that Isaac is a brave soul that came forward because he, like us, freaked out about the clear unmistakeable images and felt he could hold it no longer.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by VonStern on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:06pm

About the signs on the craft..has it never occured to anyone, that it might be "mashine code" instead of a language? As it only works on the material it's attached to, and in conditions specifically made for this, are excactly the same if one were to run a code for PC on a Mac? Maybe the dechiffrering is just too hard to make out, eg Isaac, who told us, when it was run in more than ()3 it went to astronomous mounts of calculations? I'm not an expert on this, but maybe someone here are? We have to look for the small details, to even comprehend this. Note: I believe this whole story to be fact by a factor of 10 to 90.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:07pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:40pm, j w wright wrote:
humans are fallable, everyone is working long hours, fatigue and apathy sets in, routine, etc...

photographic prints the teams use to work become tattered, more copies are needed, the photo lab prints off more copies some copies get lost in the shuffle...

stacks of papers and folders on desks, worktables, staging areas, etc...

have you ever worked with people in a team collaborative envioronment?

humans are at best, barely conscious

I think we’ll just have to agree to differ on this subject, if your theory is correct then I suspect a lot more than just Isaac (and his information) would have come to light before now. And we obviously have different opinions on the gravity (pun intended) and implications of the technology under discussion.

It declared in the first paragraph that it’s, “Extraterrestrial technology”.

There’s far too many problems with the full Isaac story and documents that he released. For example,

1. OVERVIEW

This document is intended as a primer on the tentative findings of the Q4 1986 research phase (referred to herein as "Q4-86") at the Palo Alto CARET Laboratory (PACL). In accordance with the CARET program mission statement, the goal of this research has been achieving a greater understanding of extraterrestrial technology within the context of commercial applications and civilian use. Examples of such applications, in no particular order, include transportation, medicine, construction, energy, computing and communication. The ultimate goal of this research is to provide a core set of advanced technologies in a condition suitable for patent review.


Why would a research report include what is essentially a mission statement divulging its ultimate goal. Who is this to be presented to? They certainly wouldn’t tell industry where it’s from. And anybody involved with the organization and in a position that would entitle them to see the report wouldn’t be best pleased at damning evidence such as this and the admission of the absolute existence of vastly superior intelligent, extraterrestrial life-forms.

"2. EXTRACTION

The process of converting raw artifacts of extraterrestrial origin to usable, fully documented human technology is termed extraction. `The extraction process ultimately consists of two phases: first is the establishment of a complete theoretical and operational understanding of the artifact, and second is a distillation of the artifact's underlying principles into a usable, product-oriented technology. Suggestions of specific product applications on behalf of PACL have been encouraged, but are not considered mandatory or essential."


This again seems like it was wrote for the uninitiated man on the street.

“The process of converting raw artifacts of extraterrestrial origin to usable, fully documented human technology is termed extraction”

That’s two for two, first two paragraphs and the smoking gun of UFOlogy becomes irrefutable evidence, again why would anybody involved with the organization reading this report, want to know or need to know the basic terminology for what are obviously highly sensitive documents unless they were cleared to read it in the first place.

And in which case they wouldn’t need the clandestine and covert specifics spelled out in what could easily become proof of the greatest conspiracy mankind has ever known?

That’s just the first two paragraphs, like I said we’ll agree to differ on this one.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:20pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:06pm, VonStern wrote:
About the signs on the craft..has it never occured to anyone, that it might be "mashine code" instead of a language? As it only works on the material it's attached to,


I agree... why else would there be a need for so much language on a flying vehicle. Aside from our few letters and numbers we use as identification for our airplanes... why so much text. Because the text itself operates the machine. Can we figure this out with our finite minds? Its hard to comprehend... even the best physicists and code crackers couldn't figure out the language as Isaac said, but obviously aliens with the intelligence and technology to travel through space are way more advanced and the ultra-dimensional levels of reality are far from our three-dimensional thinking abilities.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Makasu on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:24pm

Here's a preview of figure 14.13 in pdf-format (4mb)

http://green.colorize.net/pacl/

My plan is to start working out the main shapes then making an index of the characters and adding them in at the end.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:27pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:07pm, DrDil wrote:
This again seems like it was wrote for the uninitiated man on the street.

“The process of converting raw artifacts of extraterrestrial origin to usable, fully documented human technology is termed extraction”

That’s two for two, first two paragraphs and the smoking gun of UFOlogy becomes irrefutable evidence, again why would anybody involved with the organization reading this report, want to know or need to know the basic terminology for what are obviously highly sensitive documents unless they were cleared to read it in the first place.

And in which case they wouldn’t need the clandestine and covert specifics spelled out in what could easily become proof of the greatest conspiracy mankind has ever known?

That’s just the first two paragraphs, like I said we’ll agree to differ on this one.


I see your point, however, the people who went to work there had no previous knowledge that aliens even existed and they had to be "briefed" in SOME way as to the ABC's of it all. Probably "they" never imagined the documents would ever leave the lab under their tight security, and certainly they didn't know that there would one day be the INTERNET lol
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:34pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:27pm, castles4me wrote:
I see your point, however, the people who went to work there had no previous knowledge that aliens even existed and they had to be "briefed" in SOME way as to the ABC's of it all. Probably "they" never imagined the documents would ever leave the lab under their tight security, and certainly they didn't know that there would one day be the INTERNET lol


I was under the impression that this research report was the culmination of the collaborative work of, “The people who went to work there.”

Hence the name of , “Research Report” I.e. the research that they conducted.

And as its dated December 1986, years after Isaac started but only months before Isaac left, I assumed he and his term were responsible for it.

(The point I was originally making was how I thought a little more value would be placed on the pictures than what j w wright thought)
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Nephilim on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:39pm

lol

Fair enough ATO, I just thought I'd throw that out there. the symbolism is what struck my interest. Seemed similar. smiley
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by VonStern on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:39pm

The reports are not the real issue here, the real evidence is the scans revealing scripts worked on, given numbers in handwriting and references to observations. This might even prove, that it is the real deal. Maybe someone should look into excactly that?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:47pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:39pm, VonStern wrote:
The reports are not the real issue here, the real evidence is the scans revealing scripts worked on, given numbers in handwriting and references to observations. This might even prove, that it is the real deal. Maybe someone should look into excactly that?

That may be, but a question regarding the reports was the issue that I was answering.

And if Isaacs reports are fake, what's the chances all of his documents are, pretty high I'd imagine.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:47pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:39pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
BJ just said that there will be no content in the article on the new drone. Just the picture.


If that is the case then I think it's probably a good idea to throw it away. An anonymous picture with not even a story behind it is useless. It adds nothing to the case ( and may even take away from it). Besides someone has discovered that the two objects in the picture are in perfect vertical alignment. The odds on the happening by chance are over 100 to 1. Not saying impossible but highly unlikely, unless somebody can come up with a reason for the alignment.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:52pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:44pm, VonStern wrote:
(If Isaac does indeed speak the truth, then surely, “The original photographs” he managed to sneak out of the complex would be missed.)

Remember, Isaac was COPYING the files...not retrieving them.

Remember Isaac Wrote
"I'd often take upwards of 10-20 pages at once. By the time I was done, I'd made out with hundreds of photocopies, as well as a few originals and a large collection of original photographs."
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:59pm

I hate to change the subject but can you imagine what their (aliens) music must be like back on the home planet? Think its really good, or really bad?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by VonStern on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:04pm

Sorry, my mistake, a flaw occurs once in awhile. Please bare with me. Just making observations. grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:05pm

What I find odd is that, while the diagrams are exotic, at the same time, they're familiar. And beyond that, when Isaac describes the way in which the symbols function, how they are not graphic ornaments or technical labels, but actions - I understand. Both the symbols and their function are at once technical and organic.

Without going off into the esoteric too far, let's use the human body as an analogy for this concept that we've been presented with. In essence it's a bio-electrical "machine". What animates this machine? I'm not talking about the blood, bone, muscle, etc. - these things are the components. No, something keeps all of these systems going, the heart beating. In fact, it starts the heart beating. We are the hardware, the program is energy. Energy interwoven into our cells that causes a function. The program code - the "symbol" - is DNA. The elegant double helix, not unlike Isaacs "language", is a form that is also an action. A code infused within the "hardware" that causes that hardware to become.

Ouch, now my brain hurts.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:09pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:05pm, MarkM wrote:
What I find odd is that, while the diagrams are exotic, at the same time, they're familiar.


what is familiar about them may be the fibonacci proportions, the golden ratio... this diagram is loaded with it, which is very appealing, aesthetically to humans

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:11pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:59pm, Nephilim wrote:
On another note: I think Jugement mentioned, or suggested, possibly the size in diameter being large enough for a human to travel through the center of the 'drone,' anyone have any suggestions or new ideas as to what these things are for? What they are doing?


Yeah... and look at several of the photos that have the basket-like thing protruding out of the middle hole. Some of the drones have it and some don't. Or, at least, we can't see it on the ones that it is not visible. It almost looks cage-like, as if it could pick up a human or cow, or any other sample they want to quickly teleport back to another craft.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:11pm

WOW very well said MarkM. I have been trying to find a way to say the same thing but I could not have articulated it as well as you did. I think you are right about the energy of the person or body that makes these things function. I remember a passage where Isaac said that on the one hand the technology is scientific yet still possesses a hint of "magic" to it. I think that is probably what made it so hard for the scientists to figure out. We are not yet advanced spiritually enough to fully comprehend the technology. We keep looking for wires and circuitry but we need to look beyond that. The "aliens" have figured a way to bond the scientific with the spiritual. Until we can grasp that I don't think we could have a chance trying to understand these things.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:14pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:11pm, redSE7EN wrote:
I remember a passage where Isaac said that on the one hand the technology is scientific yet still possesses a hint of "magic" to it.


any technology sufficiently advanced would be indistinguishable from magic

- dr. robert l. forward

think about our distant ancestors... if they could see the things we take for granted today.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:14pm

The diagrams certainly look familiar. Almost as if you could stare at them long enough and "remember" how to read them
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by VonStern on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:17pm

Just a thoght: Has anyone tried to dischiffer the "barcodes" in the diagrams? Do we need a scanner to do so? Maybe some clues lie in there?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:18pm

yes, they are familiar and incorporate geometry and physics.... but here I am back to the crop circles. It also appears very familiar because we have been looking at crop circle images for decades. It's all connected... it all seems to be coming together to finally make sense.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:25pm

Yes, it is finally coming together. Thats the same thought I have been having. Thats the one reason that I think this is for real. It just seems to fall right into place with everything we've been wondering about for so many centuries. Even if the source (Isaac) or the story he provides is all fake, I still think there would be a lot of truth to the overall picture.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:30pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:27pm, castles4me wrote:
I see your point, however, the people who went to work there had no previous knowledge that aliens even existed and they had to be "briefed" in SOME way as to the ABC's of it all. Probably "they" never imagined the documents would ever leave the lab under their tight security, and certainly they didn't know that there would one day be the INTERNET lol


Plus he was there 3 years or rather 750 days approx where there had to be opportune time to do some things. It only takes a few moments to get what you want and have it ready as well.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by redSE7EN on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:32pm

So I said this in an earlier posting but I feel the need to bring it up again. Anyone ever researched the 11:11 phenomena? I think it kinda goes in line with us recognizing embedded symbology.

Check this out: http://www.crystalinks.com/11.11.html
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Post by JC on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:32pm

Here is yet some other info to ponder.

http://exopoliticsjournal.com/vol-2/vol-2-1-Salla.htm

All this info gets us a little closer to whats been hidden from us for a very long time.
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Post by castles4me on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:41pm

I know this is like the third time I have said this... but I just feel a big AHA!!! at the fact that the language on the documents looks exactly like the crop circles. And to finally have a possible explanation, that the reason they are putting the crop circles is to run some kind of program (like Isaac said, the language itself activates something like magic) So, either they put the crop circles there to activate a program to aid in their existence or research here on Earth, or they are trying to communicate what their technology is. I wish we were smart enough to figure out the language symbols and geometrical drawings to actually be able to determine the function or meaning or each crop circle. It's really piqued my curiosity.
Another topic... these crafts seem so different from the sleek discoidal crafts that we have been seeing for so many years, I wonder if it is the same race of aliens or a different one that produced the drones. discs don't have any visible language on them. And, I wonder if those drones were capable of flying through space or if they brought the drones here on a larger more aerodynamic (for lack of a better word) craft that is able to penetrate the atmosphere. The parts on it seem too delicate and could burn up upon entry..... although, there I go thinking in a human finite mind again. With such advanced technology why would they HAVE to penetrate atmosphere. Hmmmm. huh
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:46pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:39pm, Nephilim wrote:
lol

Fair enough ATO, I just thought I'd throw that out there. the symbolism is what struck my interest. Seemed similar. smiley


LOL, gotta use that quote button Nephilim, haven't a clue as to what this pertained to.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by JC on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:46pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:41pm, castles4me wrote:
I know this is like the third time I have said this... but I just feel a big AHA!!! at the fact that the language on the documents looks exactly like the crop circles. And to finally have a possible explanation, that the reason they are putting the crop circles is to run some kind of program (like Isaac said, the language itself activates something like magic) So, either they put the crop circles there to activate a program to aid in their existence or research here on Earth, or they are trying to communicate what their technology is. I wish we were smart enough to figure out the language symbols and geometrical drawings to actually be able to determine the function or meaning or each crop circle. It's really piqued my curiosity.
Another topic... these crafts seem so different from the sleek discoidal crafts that we have been seeing for so many years, I wonder if it is the same race of aliens or a different one that produced the drones. discs don't have any visible language on them. And, I wonder if those drones were capable of flying through space or if they brought the drones here on a larger more aerodynamic (for lack of a better word) craft that is able to penetrate the atmosphere. The parts on it seem too delicate and could burn up upon entry..... although, there I go thinking in a human finite mind again. With such advanced technology why would they HAVE to penetrate atmosphere. Hmmmm. huh



HOW ABOUT THIS

http://imageevent.com/cropcirclerational/cropcirclesdecoded

Have fun reading JC
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:03pm

Very interesting site JC.... I will be reading and studying a long time after this... better get some coffee lol undecided
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by CloudBreak on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:13pm

Phew, I go away for a few hours and then I find out that I have an hour of reading to do before I can make a post!

ATO has already posted some links to invisibility devices. Another one is

http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn9227-physicists-draw-up-plans-for-real-cloaking-device.html

Thanks Latitude for the support on my level of physics. Nice to know that the degree has not been wasted. I am not a theoretical physicist like your friend, so would have a comparitively poor understanding on how the drones can fit with modern day science. My PhD was in an area dubbed "Complex Systems". I am more at home understanding how many simple objects can interact to produce non-linear and also non-obvious macroscopic effects on the entire system. So the part of Isaac's document that I would be best applied to (if ever that were an option --- in my dreams!), would be the following part

"First of all, you wouldn't open up their hardware to find a CPU here, and a data bus there, and some kind of memory over there. Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate - each "computational element" (essentially individual particles) can function independently, but are designed to function together in tremendously large clusters. I say its holographic because you can divide it up into the smallest chunks you want and still find a scaled-down but complete representation of the whole system. They produce a nonlinear computational output when grouped. So 4 elements working together is actually more than 4 times more powerful than 1. Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state. The shape of these "chunks" of substrate also had a profound effect on its functionality, and often served as a "shortcut" to achieve a goal that might otherwise be more complex."

Which to me, if I had to create an analogy, sounds a little bit like a brain. Now a brain is not a holographic substrate, but there are many similarities. The computational power of 4 neurons is greater than 4 times the computational power of 1 neuron. The brain is non-linear. Also different regions of the brain have their neurons clustered in different configurations such that different functions are achieved.

As a disclaimer, I'm not in any way suggesting that the substrate is intellgent.

Also, I'd like to say that I have worked in a research environment where the work is considered highly secretive to the rest of the world. We would often write reports with waffly introductions for the benefit of ourselves, our work mates and future employees so that they can catch up with the work. We were under instruction to shred documents and watch what we print. Sure this was obeyed at the start but as Isaac implied, such discipline relaxes over time. Workers can't be bothered sticking to time consuming rules, management have better things to do, and documents get easily lost under piles of other documents. Ok we never had guards, but I'm sure that even they would learn to trust people more over time and be quite happy to let their own jobs become easier.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:21pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:59pm, redSE7EN wrote:
I hate to change the subject but can you imagine what their (aliens) music must be like back on the home planet? Think its really good, or really bad?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P6PJe76TdU&NR=1

Sure they do and this is music to their ears. They love this stuff.

It allows them to witness our own destruction of ourselves by our own hands, a break down in human relations with one another due to a lack of trust, pollutions, chaos, riots, people going every which way but they don't know where they're going or where they're headed, and they don't care who gets in their way, we're all living in the fast line, no trust, liars, thiefs, deceivers, man not in touch with man, people up in arms with our politicians and untrusting government, the problems are just too big and we're too small and nothing will change this because we don't trust each other and worse yet, the children are growing up in this. But, they, the aliens, will waste themselves on us.

Do aliens come into our airspace only to test their spacecraft in an atmosphere. What else is there for them to do? Meanwhile, they sit above our busy cities unannounced and peer into the goings on. Did I mention children being raised by television instead of their families?



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:32pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:05pm, MarkM wrote:
What I find odd is that, while the diagrams are exotic, at the same time, they're familiar. And beyond that, when Isaac describes the way in which the symbols function, how they are not graphic ornaments or technical labels, but actions - I understand. Both the symbols and their function are at once technical and organic.

Without going off into the esoteric too far, let's use the human body as an analogy for this concept that we've been presented with. In essence it's a bio-electrical "machine". What animates this machine? I'm not talking about the blood, bone, muscle, etc. - these things are the components. No, something keeps all of these systems going, the heart beating. In fact, it starts the heart beating. We are the hardware, the program is energy. Energy interwoven into our cells that causes a function. The program code - the "symbol" - is DNA. The elegant double helix, not unlike Isaacs "language", is a form that is also an action. A code infused within the "hardware" that causes that hardware to become.

Ouch, now my brain hurts.


Wow Mark, you have visitors with you feeding you this stuff. That was good, very good.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:35pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:17pm, VonStern wrote:
Just a thoght: Has anyone tried to dischiffer the "barcodes" in the diagrams? Do we need a scanner to do so? Maybe some clues lie in there?


Lets run one down to the grocery store and find out. I can tell it's getting late, I'm in my silly mode. grin rolleyes
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:46pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:18pm, castles4me wrote:
yes, they are familiar and incorporate geometry and physics.... but here I am back to the crop circles. It also appears very familiar because we have been looking at crop circle images for decades. It's all connected... it all seems to be coming together to finally make sense.


Ok castles4me, we're going to put you in charge of a little job ** little job she said, he he ** checking out the crop circles and matching design for design with Isaacs linguistic pages. Here are your tools. I'm sure you discover all sorts of goodies in there.

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&q=crop+circles&btnG=Search+Images

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=crop


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:48pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:13pm, CloudBreak wrote:
Phew, I go away for a few hours and then I find out that I have an hour of reading to do before I can make a post!


I'm behind too, I just now got to your post, haven't read it yet and I still haven't gotten to your PM. undecided Crazy day for me.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:36pm

Little Job?? shocked eeeek... I will have to get on that one tomorrow! I will do it though lol Been reading up on it for the last hour. Lots of the crop circles have to do with electrons, magnetic fields and microwave technology. I wonder what they want us to do with the information they are driving at us through the crop circles. Truly interesting.... now I really wish I would have pursued that career in physics. lol

Oh, yeah... and interesting about the barcode thingamabobbers... (VERY technical terminology here) I wonder if they have a numerical designation like our bar codes. And, I wonder if that is where we got the technology for UPC codes.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:50pm

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:36pm, castles4me wrote:
Little Job?? shocked eeeek... I will have to get on that one tomorrow! I will do it though lol Been reading up on it for the last hour. Lots of the crop circles have to do with electrons, magnetic fields and microwave technology. I wonder what they want us to do with the information they are driving at us through the crop circles. Truly interesting.... now I really wish I would have pursued that career in physics. lol

Oh, yeah... and interesting about the barcode thingamabobbers... (VERY technical terminology here) I wonder if they have a numerical designation like our bar codes. And, I wonder if that is where we got the technology for UPC codes.


Well, if you have any questions or want any help, just click the moderator in that thread HUBCAB9's name and his PM will come up. Maybe even his email address. His name is Robert Hulse and he's a crop circle researcher - one of the best over in the UK. He's probably been to the majority of them personally. He'd be more then happy to help.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by starsigndavid on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:06am

For those who have posted concerns about the government finding "Isaac" from the information he provided, take heart in one fact. If this thing is real and if Isaac is as smart as he seems to be, then you can be sure he may not have worked during the years he mentions, may have been part of a larger or smaller group than he mentions and he can be putting out all kinds of disinformation to protect himself and his/her true identity. A slight change in any or all of his self-identifying background recitals may be enough to give him a very realistic chance of escaping discovery--at least for a while.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Watchtheskies on Jun 30th, 2007, 02:41am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:06am, starsigndavid wrote:
If this thing is real and if Isaac is as smart as he seems to be, then you can be sure he may not have worked during the years he mentions, may have been part of a larger or smaller group than he mentions and he can be putting out all kinds of disinformation to protect himself and his/her true identity. A slight change in any or all of his self-identifying background recitals may be enough to give him a very realistic chance of escaping discovery--at least for a while.

Lets hope so!
The CARET website came online at the same time 'GhostRaven' started posting on ATS forums, may there be a connection?
I would like to think this is real- if it's not, the hoaxer sure has done his homework. That report was very enjoyable to read, and it seemed genuine.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Nephilim on Jun 30th, 2007, 03:28am

MarkM:
"What I find odd is that, while the diagrams are exotic, at the same time, they're familiar. And beyond that, when Isaac describes the way in which the symbols function, how they are not graphic ornaments or technical labels, but actions - I understand. Both the symbols and their function are at once technical and organic.

Without going off into the esoteric too far, let's use the human body as an analogy for this concept that we've been presented with. In essence it's a bio-electrical "machine". What animates this machine? I'm not talking about the blood, bone, muscle, etc. - these things are the components. No, something keeps all of these systems going, the heart beating. In fact, it starts the heart beating. We are the hardware, the program is energy. Energy interwoven into our cells that causes a function. The program code - the "symbol" - is DNA. The elegant double helix, not unlike Isaacs "language", is a form that is also an action. A code infused within the "hardware" that causes that hardware to become."


Mark got what I was hinting at and said it far better than I ever could have. wink

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Shelly on Jun 30th, 2007, 06:52am

Hi I'm new here but have been reading this post. I know we are afraid to believe. I don't like to be made a fool myself. However, what if this is really alien tech.?
To me the thought of codes on metal does remind me of DNA from our bodies. Just like the above poster said. I would have never thought that before. So if this is a hoax it has got me thinking outside the box. Another thought, I've heard other crafts almost have a life of their own. Like seem to be made up of biological material. What if DNA or code can also creat other things other than Humans? Using codes for programs is like creating something too. I don't know but whatever this Issac is saying doesn't seem that crazy. And if nothing more he's got me thinking and apparently many people thinking. Hoax or not, thanks Issac.
Shelly
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 30th, 2007, 07:09am

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The foreground object looks strange in the fact that it's landing pads aren't touching the ground like he said.... the drone looks very similar to the rest, yet slightly different.

Latitude, I like how you compared all of the photos from Isaac to the actual drone, that really helps put it in perspective.

The foreground object could be its probe, maybe that's what gets sucked up in the center forcefield. It looks kind of like something we would use for weather/atmosphere monitoring, volcanic or seismic monitoring.
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Post by WT on Jun 30th, 2007, 07:51am

Another photo from an anonymous email tonight!!!
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But I think this one is really a hoax!

Anyway, you're pretty much too serious about this whole thing, aren't you? Well, my wife is already really upset about the time I spend here reading, watching and waiting something to happen.

Hope this has an end some day!

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 30th, 2007, 08:02am

The center of the probe looks like some type of magnetron
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The microwave radiation of microwave ovens and some radar applications is produced by a device called a magnetron.


The magnetron is called a "crossed-field" device in the industry because both magnetic and electric fields are employed in its operation, and they are produced in perpendicular directions so that they cross. The applied magnetic field is constant and applied along the axis of the circular device illustrated. The power to the device is applied to the center cathode which is heated to supply energetic electrons which would, in the absence of the magnetic field, tend to move radially outward to the ring anode which surrounds it.


Electrons are released at the center hot cathode by the process of thermionic emission and have an accelerating field which moves them outward toward the anode. The axial magnetic field exerts a magnetic force on these charges which is perpendicular to their initially radial motion, and they tend to be swept around the circle. In this way, work is done on the charges and therefore energy from the power supply is given to them. As these electrons sweep toward a point where there is excess negative charge, that charge tends to be pushed back around the cavity, imparting energy to the oscillation at the natural frequency of the cavity. This driven oscillation of the charges around the cavities leads to radiation of electromagnetic waves, the output of the magnetron.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/magnetron.html


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 30th, 2007, 08:11am

Funny WT.... yes, I am getting way to serious about this lol, but I guess you are too --spending too much time on it eh? Gotta admit, its just so awesome that Isaac came forward with the information, whether anyone wants to believe it or not, it's very interesting and provocative.

Oh, nice pic... I wondered where my baby rattle went to!! wink
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 08:23am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 07:51am, WT wrote:


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I love that picture. Looks kinda like a renaissance fair. I Love renaissance fairs to death.

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Well, my wife is already really upset about the time I spend here reading, watching and waiting something to happen.Hope this has an end some day!


It will slow down to a stop, just like the other drone thread did but that will be up to Isaac and Isaac only.




Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 08:31am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:06am, starsigndavid wrote:
For those who have posted concerns about the government finding "Isaac" from the information he provided, take heart in one fact. If this thing is real and if Isaac is as smart as he seems to be, then you can be sure he may not have worked during the years he mentions, may have been part of a larger or smaller group than he mentions and he can be putting out all kinds of disinformation to protect himself and his/her true identity. A slight change in any or all of his self-identifying background recitals may be enough to give him a very realistic chance of escaping discovery--at least for a while.


Good point and even though I too find him a pretty upright individual, sometimes the simplest answers or explanations are the right ones. Manipulating dates would have been wise because the timeframe is not particularly important to us anyway.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 08:46am



Pretty please with sugar on top.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=announcements&action=display&num=1182045829
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 30th, 2007, 09:03am

Can anybody notice and differences between the two parts of this object. The more I rotate and zoom in on it, the more I feel it may be one object spliced together. I can’t distinguish between the two parts at all, apart of course from the obvious differences caused by the angle.

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Another thing, Isaac states that one of the images is of the device depicts is actually of functioning, “I beam segments linked to the antigravity device in a, rigid spatial relationship (RSR)”

It doesn’t matter in which orientation that I manipulate the image; I can’t seem to satisfactorily (in my opinion) reconcile the fact of the antigrav/ RSR.

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I mean I know it’s allegedly technology that reaches far beyond our human scope of understanding, but it just doesn’t look like it’s doing what Isaac states, and if it then it flies in the face of the technology being utilised by the photographed drones. As I can’t see what would be construed as an accurate representation of these I beams and the RSR in the drone photographs.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 09:13am



Ya know how many of us have used the word "BEAUTIFUL" while describing the linguistics, which Isaac delivered. Well, us humans have something as equally beautiful in the works and I believe that once you view this your comments will sound something like "AWESOME".

This is a new concept on drones, which is a small unmanned aircraft currently being designed at NASA's Ohio Aerospace Institute.

And I mean AWESOME and of human design, not alien - or is it?

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183212812






Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by CloudBreak on Jun 30th, 2007, 09:19am

Assuming this is all real, then I think we are looking at two seperate but related pieces of technology. I do not think that the drones employ a "component mode". Whereas the personal antigravity device appears to have this.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 30th, 2007, 09:31am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 09:19am, CloudBreak wrote:
Assuming this is all real, then I think we are looking at two seperate but related pieces of technology. I do not think that the drones employ a "component mode". Whereas the personal antigravity device appears to have this.

Does the appearance of the linguistics on the drones not suggest that they themselves are components of a larger device.
I’ve also just thought of the (obvious?) answer to my earlier post, perhaps Isaac is implying that the relevance is that the antigrav device is what is holding the different parts of the drone together.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by CloudBreak on Jun 30th, 2007, 09:43am

I'm not sure how symbols on the drone imply that it is part of a larger device.

The components in the inventory picture are parts of the drone, but the personal antigravity device is a completely separate object, much in the same way that humans make both cars and planes, but both cars and planes will have our own language written on them, thus linking them to a likely common creator.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by ABCStore on Jun 30th, 2007, 09:58am

Does anybody know what Steven Greer and people from the Disclosure Project think about all this?

ABC
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Andyp on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:01am

Yeah I wonder what Stanton Friedman thinks. huh
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:03am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 09:58am, ABStore wrote:
Does anybody know what Steven Greer and people from the Disclosure Project think about all this?

ABC


As of today, nothing. For that matter, they have never involved themselves in any of the drones. Considering that they're forte' are government whistleblowers, I would think that they would have at least begun to report the Isaac (CARET) situation on their website but there's nothing.

http://www.disclosureproject.org/


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:15am

Good morning all!

A word of caution - I wouldn't look for exact matches in the crop circles, but rather similarities in the design and execution of the patterns. If these symbols are programs, the ones that apply to the function of these drones won't be the same as those etched into a wheat field. In other words, the Chinese symbol for water will be different than the Chinese symbol for fire, but they are still both Chinese symbols.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:21am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 09:31am, DrDil wrote:
Does the appearance of the linguistics on the drones not suggest that they themselves are components of a larger device. I’ve also just thought of the (obvious?) answer to my earlier post, perhaps Isaac is implying that the relevance is that the antigrav device is what is holding the different parts of the drone together.


Very good point. I figure that the beginnings to such a response to your query may be located here, underneath the black marker.

(Controlling what and what is S1's entire function?)

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One other thing I noticed is that just because we don't see a picture of S1, there should be a blacked out mark (half page) where S1 would have been sitting however there are no gaps in Isaacs pages there - unless they presented it elsewhere in the documents and it is stated underneath in the black mark above. They did present the pictures of each item in close proximity of the text defining them.

A half page of text has been blacked out on pages 8 and 9 but there are no signs of a picture missing for S1.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:38am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:01am, Andyp wrote:
Yeah I wonder what Stanton Friedman thinks. huh


Also as of today, nothing. That'll be something we'll pick up on a talk show probably.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Easternbluestar on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:39am

There has been lots of interesting developments in this drone case and it will be interesting to see where it all goes.

No matter how much the "state" or governments want employees to keep secrets, people get ill, and especially when in times of aspects like "terminal illness", or even at times of great stress; people tend to talk, and there are people out there that do know the truth, and over time, it will trickle down to where eitehr the government will have to make a statement that it exists, or will try to launch a disinformation campaign to discredit the people who spoke or released information about these inventions.

The information age is developing faster than any branch of government can keep a lid on it, and it will soon be impossible to keep all things "top secret".

Something is happenning on this planet, and little bits and pieces are appearning here and there and everywhere, and eventually, the puzzle pieces will fall into place to paint a picture; but of what, is yet to be determined perhaps.

EBS
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:47am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 09:43am, CloudBreak wrote:
The components in the inventory picture are parts of the drone,

Do you suppose that inventory picture was supposed to be the separate and intact pieces recovered from the crash site? Isaac offered no explanation, anyone agree or disagree?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:48am

This is an interesting passage on alien symbols in relation to abductee memories. It's from this book which I just finished (includes some good info on many of the ideas and possibilities we've discussed in regard to the drones):

[Sight-Unseen-Science-Invisibility]

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:18am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:47am, DrDil wrote:
Do you suppose that inventory picture was supposed to be the separate and intact pieces recovered from the crash site? Isaac offered no explanation, anyone agree or disagree?


I agree and I'm guessing that S1 is described on pages 8 and 9 under the black marker. Still, why no individual picture for S1 unless it was placed on page 10, which we never saw. If it were on page 10, it would have followed the considerable amount of blacked out text on page 9. If that's the case, we're stuck for now.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by OnlookerDelay on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:21am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:01am, Andyp wrote:
Yeah I wonder what Stanton Friedman thinks. huh


Stanton was on C2C a while back after the Chad photos were posted. He said that it was in his "gray" basket, but he thought at that time that it smelled of a hoax. I have that program in my MP3 archives. I'll go back and get more specifics when I'm able to access them at home (I'm at work now).

Edit: I can tell you that Stanton commented on this during May 7th's Coast to Coast AM. I'd like to hear what he says now in the wake of the Isaac information, along with other eyewitness reports.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:36am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:48am, MarkM wrote:
This is an interesting passage on alien symbols in relation to abductee memories.


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Same goes for me. I imagine that a considerable amount of abductees experienced the same mental conversations about the role we'll play. That girl was most certainly tagged, I can see it in everything she that she states.

And, where this may have not meant a whole lot when you read it, I thoroughly understand exactly what she meant when she said, "She also sensed". She did sense what she said at the same time he was speaking because they are not only capable of telepathy, they are as capable of full-blown possession. There were two aliens with her, not one. The second one was dead, well the body anyway.

How else do you think the get here? They can't walk around in their own bodies, they need a vehicle and the abductee is a vehicle. Probably why abductees are always returned instead of disappearing. They're being used.

These are the things I rarely say because nobody can swallow them, they think they're too "out there". Well, they're absolute not out there, they are fact. They are fact for me but again, they can only be theoretical for yourselves.

I made the following pictures for another thread that might explain some. This is an explanation of situations with my daughter and myself. It's not a game, it just 'is", and they can do this. My daughter is tagged as well.

In these cases below however, I am speaking of the human spirit and not alien. This is also how synchronicity is performed in our lives and how certain people are placed in front of you and your life changes for whatever reason or your health even - there are many reasons for synchronity.

This is all perfomed by subliminal thought, and not words spoken. Instead the words come across as more a feeling then a word. The aliens on the other hand use words and their words bounce off the brain many times like a marble bouncing on a glass table.

This is also how one can tell if they have an alien or a human spirit in their life. I have both. I have many of both.

Of course if you only believe in death and not life after death then this will be meaningless to you.


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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:50am

I think this can go in a lot of different directions, much of which is no doubt covered in other, older threads. I won't go off track here except to say that perhaps this is the time referred to in which the remembering begins.

What would be fascinating, is if Mr. Hopkins could comment on the symbols in the drawings in comparison to the ones seen by abductees that he states he hasn't made public. Again, not so much for an exact match, but for similarities. If they exist, and Isaac (or any other member of the public) has never seen them, that would go a long way towards shoring up his credibility. That, or he's (Isaac) an abductee. Take your pick.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:51am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:21am, OnlookerDelay wrote:
Stanton was on C2C a while back after the Chad photos were posted. He said that it was in his "gray" basket, but he thought at that time that it smelled of a hoax. I have that program in my MP3 archives. I'll go back and get more specifics when I'm able to access them at home (I'm at work now).

Edit: I can tell you that Stanton commented on this during May 7th's Coast to Coast AM. I'd like to hear what he says now in the wake of the Isaac information, along with other eyewitness reports.


I think he said "grey basket" because he was on the air. He's been called on this before on certain UFO sightings so he's probaby now watching his P's and Q's.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:51am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:39am, Easternbluestar wrote:
No matter how much the "state" or governments want employees to keep secrets, people get ill, and especially when in times of aspects like "terminal illness", or even at times of great stress; people tend to talk, and there are people out there that do know the truth, and over time, it will trickle down to where eitehr the government will have to make a statement that it exists, or will try to launch a disinformation campaign to discredit the people who spoke or released information about these inventions.


I wondering what would happen if one of Isaac's old friends from pacl, that he says he is still in contact with, comes out in support of Isaac.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:57am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:51am, Latitude wrote:
I wondering what would happen if one of Isaac's old friends from pacl, that he says he is still in contact with, comes out in support of Isaac.


That would be great. Isaac needs all the support he can get! My feeling is that he's following this and will respond on that website once he has all his ducks in a row. I hope smiley.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:57am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:51am, Latitude wrote:
I wondering what would happen if one of Isaac's old friends from pacl, that he says he is still in contact with, comes out in support of Isaac.


He's hoping for that but also, there are other facets of government that had the same information since you could tell by reading that these artifacts were coming from a secondary location a piece at a time.

Consequently, we could be presented with something similar or identical but the location will not be PACL.

And, with the Isaac thing, there are multitudes of directions we could go in figuring out who else might come forward and with what.

My dream is Neil Armstrong. The problem is, we need his voice to state such things because words on paper we have now, and for the majority are meaningless.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:02pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:50am, MarkM wrote:
I think this can go in a lot of different directions, much of which is no doubt covered in other, older threads. I won't go off track here except to say that perhaps


True, we could go in a lot of different directions in this thread and I won't, but I will say one last thing.

What are the reasons for seeking everything that relates to UFOs? Are we really seeking the UFO or are we seeking the answers as to why they are here?

I believe it's the druther. Unfortunately, the druther is invisible and cannot be proven, whereas a UFO is a solid and can be proven.

Our fears are not that there are UFOs in our airspace, our fears are wondering why in the heck they are here to begin with and what's to come.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by neologik on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:07pm

Hey guys, I started looking at this stuff a couple of days ago when Isaac's page showed up on Digg..

I found this user on youtube today who seems to have some vids dating a few months back and some more recent ones seemingly claiming a ship was found on the moon.. I can't say if this is related but it's certainly interesting that all these things are cropping up around the same time..

http://www.youtube.com/user/retiredafb

I'm not going to speculate on if this or Isaac's drones are real/hoax/viral but I do enjoy following the stories.
-neo
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by j w wright on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:15pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:07pm, neologik wrote:
Hey guys, I started looking at this stuff a couple of days ago when Isaac's page showed up on Digg..

I found this user on youtube today who seems to have some vids dating a few months back and some more recent ones seemingly claiming a ship was found on the moon.. I can't say if this is related but it's certainly interesting that all these things are cropping up around the same time..

http://www.youtube.com/user/retiredafb

I'm not going to speculate on if this or Isaac's drones are real/hoax/viral but I do enjoy following the stories.
-neo


apollo 20 is a hoax
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:21pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:15pm, j w wright wrote:
apollo 20 is a hoax


Yup! That's why I can't figure out why they reprinted that. We did too today for some reason. I saw it this morning on the website. Oh well lol
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:28pm

Here's a good list, dates and missions of all our hopeful whistleblower astronauts some day.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1108372018&start=0

This in my fav though. I could listen to this over and over and over.

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/borman.au

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:34pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:07pm, neologik wrote:
I found this user on youtube today who seems to have some vids dating a few months back and some more recent ones seemingly claiming a ship was found on the moon.. I can't say if this is related but it's certainly interesting that all these things are cropping up around the same time.


That is actually a while back but it's popping up again.

Apollo 20
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=moon&action=display&num=1180781498

Ship on the moon
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1178357687


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by RoH on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:42pm

Back to page 36...

on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:47pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I have a question because I'm a photographer dummy. I was going to do some miniature bigbasin drones for my signature area and when I attempted this, I ended up with a question I need answering.

The top picture is the original picture received at the UFO Casebook from Jenna on behalf of Stephen.

First I brought the original into plain ole Paint and as decribed in the picture below, I made a copy of the original, wrapped around it and clicked 'clear background' and then drug it to a solid black surface. Once on the solid black surface, I noticed that black was showing through where pixels should be.

Who can tell me what I did and why the black holes around the circumference of the craft and to the right of the craft? Don't make me feel bad with my silly little question either - I don't do photos. rolleyes rolleyes

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ATO, I did somthing too with that big basin picture,
-after I red your posts about it looking fake.

The same happend for me, there's something missing!
I used paint for this:

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Maybe something to do with the JPEG compression?
From wiki:
The JPEG compression algorithm is not as well suited for line drawings and other textual or iconic graphics, and thus the PNG and GIF formats are preferred for these types of images.

sorry for the bump, 9 pages behind and reading...

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:58pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:42pm, RoH wrote:
Back to page 36...

ATO, I did somthing too with that big basin picture,
-after I red your posts about it looking fake.

The same happend for me, there's something missing!
I used paint for this:
Maybe something to do with the JPEG compression?
From wiki:
The JPEG compression algorithm is not as well suited for line drawings and other textual or iconic graphics, and thus the PNG and GIF formats are preferred for these types of images.
sorry for the bump, 9 pages behind and reading...


I heard but it was commented on that it was due to it being copied a few too many times but I used the first copy, which was the UFO Casebook's original so it hadn't been copied. It went from Jenna's computer to the Casebooks to mine via attachment, not a pasted email picture certainly.

I did the same thing with the other drones and did not get an affect like that at all. To me, it looks like it was spliced out of something and pasted to a white sky but like I said, I don't know because I'm not into cameras or photography. I'm real green there. Just the same, why only that picture and no others I attempt to do the same thing with.

Ahhhh, you know what though - that white sky could have been a picture that was copied a lot. Maybe we should look deeper into this thing then.



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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by tecnodios on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:02pm

All what I´ve seen from the "mystery Drone" can be made by 2d or 3d software as Photoshop, maya, studio max, etc, the colored images look like too much to a tipical GI-render as V -ray, maxwell or others... the grafics or "photocopies" are great but can be done with some imaginacion and good grafics skills... what I think about?.. it coult be a campaign for a next movie or Sci-Fi channel... If those images will come from Kajastan perhaps it will be more interesting... but from california!!!... where you can find the most biggests CG-grafics companies of the world!!!!.. I laugh... grin grin grin grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:10pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:02pm, tecnodios wrote:
All what I´ve seen from the "mystery Drone" can be made by 2d or 3d software as Photoshop, maya, studio max, etc, the colored images look like too much to a tipical GI-render as V -ray, maxwell or others... the grafics or "photocopies" are great but can be done with some imaginacion and good grafics skills... what I think about?.. it coult be a campaign for a next movie or Sci-Fi channel... If those images will come from Kajastan perhaps it will be more interesting... but from california!!!... where you can find the most biggests CG-grafics companies of the world!!!!.. I laugh... grin grin grin grin


We have rules set on debunking in here and they're real understandable - you are not allowed to do so.

You can use healthy skepticism, however you must post with evidence within your post. Your evidence will not be accepted however until you have read every page in both this thread and the Chad/Capitola/Tahoe/Birmingham/Big Basin thread at this address. The reason for this is because what you state has been stated many times and it's not fair for us to have to rehash what was settled a week ago or a month ago already.

There are a total of 79 pages of drone thread, we'll see you in about a day or two. grin grin grin grin

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=reports&num=1179108769&start=0

In the interim, this thread works too. We absolutely allow healthy skepticism but you have to follow the guidelines of such.

SKEPTICISM and DEBUNKING
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=tips&action=display&num=1110310681

Lastly, if it has to do with the viral marketing campaigns going on with Bungie, HALO and the movie Transformers, that's been done as well and we've since given that subject it's own home at this address.

HALO & TRANSFORMER MOVIE UNDER SUSPICION
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182283823

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:11pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:06am, starsigndavid wrote:
For those who have posted concerns about the government finding "Isaac" from the information he provided, take heart in one fact. If this thing is real and if Isaac is as smart as he seems to be, then you can be sure he may not have worked during the years he mentions, may have been part of a larger or smaller group than he mentions and he can be putting out all kinds of disinformation to protect himself and his/her true identity. A slight change in any or all of his self-identifying background recitals may be enough to give him a very realistic chance of escaping discovery--at least for a while.


Wouldn't going after Isaac be an admission of the truth ? If they go after him they may have to explain why, lending credibility to all he has said. As with secrets long kept, they couldn't bear the embarassment of revealing all their lies after so long.
In case no one was watching all week, since everyone has been here, there has been a drastic change in America. The people spoke very loudly this week about immigration. The Bill was posed to pass, but Americans screamed NO........things are changing, tighten your seat belts .
We need more voices united screaming loudly for the truth.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:17pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:11pm, LangLee wrote:
Wouldn't going after Isaac be an admission of the truth ? If they go after him they may have to explain why, lending credibility to all he has said. As with secrets long kept, they couldn't bear the embarassment of revealing all their lies after so long.


Another good point. Isaac is in a great sense is very safe and if anything the government could be fearing for his life because they need him to live. ROFL

Everyone hear does realize that Isaac is reading all of this you know. I'm sure you figured that out by now.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by becker44 on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:25pm



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Speaking of debunking ATO.....Come on now really! This is clearly a CGI rendition of you and your daughter! How do you expect us to believe otherwise? hmm? I mean I'll give you this...Your artistic ability had me fooled for a little while but once I dropped in Photoshop it was all over!
Just keeping things light. I'm truly amazed at the talent here.

Becker



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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:28pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:11pm, LangLee wrote:
Wouldn't going after Isaac be an admission of the truth ? If they go after him they may have to explain why, lending credibility to all he has said. As with secrets long kept, they couldn't bear the embarassment of revealing all their lies after so long.


I think he's not safe until his story reaches the mainstream press like Lazar's did. The PTB could easily at this point bury him in the desert and all that would be left is another bizarre UFO story to go down in folklore as another Roswell type thing.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:32pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:17pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Everyone hear does realize that Isaac is reading all of this you know. I'm sure you figured that out by now.

If he has read all of this then he's in the minority as the same theories keep cropping up. grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:35pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:25pm, becker44 wrote:
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Speaking of debunking ATO.....Come on now really! This is clearly a CGI rendition of you and your daughter! How do you expect us to believe otherwise? hmm? I mean I'll give you this...Your artistic ability had me fooled for a little while but once I dropped in Photoshop it was all over!
Just keeping things light. I'm truly amazed at the talent here.Becke


I know I'm busted. I really blew it because I should have drawn my daughter a lot shorter but I didn't think anyone would notice. grin


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:38pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:35pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I know I'm busted. I really blew it because I should have drawn my daughter a lot shorter but I didn't think anyone would notice. grin

I thought that was the angle of the camera casting the shadow of a weather balloon through some swamp gas?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:38pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:32pm, DrDil wrote:
If he has read all of this then he's in the minority as the same theories keep cropping up. grin


Of all pictures ever done up DrDil, this is the one that bothers me more then worrying about some stranger trying to break in my bedroom window in the wee hours. I get the worst feelings when I see this one and I'm considered a tough cookie.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:44pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:38pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Of all pictures ever done up DrDil, this is the one that bothers me more then worrying about some stranger trying to break in my bedroom window in the wee hours. I get the worst feelings when I see this one and I'm considered a tough cookie.

I thought I'd better get an avatar and this picture has always been one of my favourites sad
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:54pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:44pm, DrDil wrote:
I thought I'd better get an avatar and this picture has always been one of my favourites sad


It is the closest looking thing to an alien that I've ever seen.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:55pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:54pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
It is the closest looking thing to an alien that I've ever seen.
Have you seen the picture before?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:57pm


Somewhere but it was very recent - like within a week. Do you have it on your site?

By the way, for those of you skipping pages, I don't want you to miss this. I really, really, really enjoyed it.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183212812

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 30th, 2007, 2:05pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:57pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Somewhere but it was very recent - like within a week. Do you have it on your site?

No, I've never posted it before?
It's not displayed on my site, not even on the work in progress.

I've uploaded it since you mentioned it......

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I watched that bird cgi/footage, very impressive, it almost makes up for the style of commentary that's also provided in the clip. cheesy
AN OPEN LETTER TO "ISAAC"
Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 2:08pm

Dear "Isaac",

If you are sincere in your assertions and your documentation is genuine, I applaud your foresight and your courage. Your evidence, taken in conjunction with the many eyewitnesses to the mystery "drone" that have come forward, and the corroborating photographs they've presented, represent the beginnings of a truly historical event - the full discloser of ongoing contact with one or more alien civilizations.

I won't pretend to know your motivation, but my simple interpretation would be, because now is the time. In this age of rapidly available information, miraculous technological achievement, expanding consciousness and, yes, tremendous social and environmental upheaval - it's time.

If you are a part of an elaborate hoax, I applaud your talent and creativity, but pity the waste of these same gifts. Along with the damage you will have done comes some positive things. You've succeeded in uniting the best and the brightest within the UFO community. Together, individuals skilled in graphic design, 3D modeling, electrical engineering, and more, have devoted hundreds of hours to analyzing the evidence. None of the "drone" testimony has been more scrutinized than yours. This is not a bad thing, much has been learned in the process. Taken as an exercise in investigation your project has been a great success.

If proven to be a hoax, it will, for a short time cast a shadow over the UFO community. But it will not be the first time, or the last. Serious UFO researchers have survived these events in the past and they will in the future. The media may find great sport in it at first, but will move on rapidly once some Hollywood personality commits another faux pas. Memories, like attention spans, are short these days. If your intent was to do damage, in the long run you've failed.

Like everyone else, I hope that you'll provide us with more. If you are telling the truth, Isaac, you have many friends here. There is safety in numbers and our numbers grow stronger every day. Truth or hoax, we've become a stronger voice through your actions.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, have faith in your decision. Now, let history take it where it will.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jun 30th, 2007, 2:18pm

Well said MarkM. And as regards the shadow that would be cast, I posted something (what seems like months ago now) similar on the 29th May, after only a few of the sightings.

“For all this is widely perceived as a hoax I’m still looking forward to the truth coming out and I think the full experience will still prove to be something a landmark case in the field of UFO research, even if it is for all of the wrong reasons.

Personally I will still be monitoring the story and subsequent pictures as I think that there will undoubtedly be more alleged sightings, maybes even offering greater detail and more complex explanations.

But until the true identities of Chad & co. is finally revealed I believe that the reasoning and motivations will provide much speculation & discussion on the subject, which when all is said & done can only be a good thing.”

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by mantis on Jun 30th, 2007, 2:26pm

ill say one thing it all could be some sort of weather monitoring equipment unseen before
or also some one has made them out bits and bobs of weather monitoring equipment to make them look alien just a thought grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 2:26pm


Isaac:

I don't think we can top Mark's words since he's pretty much stated all of our concerns.

Just knowing that your website is still up and available is a good thing. If it were to disappear, we would be left to wonder and that's not a good thing.

With all of the info that has been copied out of it and now sits amongst other websites, there would be no reason for a government entity to hack in and destroy yours so I hope you leave it as it is for the time being - that is unless you wish to add to it at which time we'll all jump for joy.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 2:27pm


Guess I best make it a habit to proof read before I post. ROFL

there would be no reason for a government entity to hack

I kill myself sometimes.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by JC on Jun 30th, 2007, 2:36pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:38pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Of all pictures ever done up DrDil, this is the one that bothers me more then worrying about some stranger trying to break in my bedroom window in the wee hours. I get the worst feelings when I see this one and I'm considered a tough cookie.

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Not to me and I don't worry about the Greys.

Now that picture hjdelight is using creeps me out and there are some that look close to this.
Way to creppy for me.
JC

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LAU on Jun 30th, 2007, 3:17pm

Do you guys think the strange craft is from the same origin as the roswell crash UFO, or, you think Isaac inspired himself in writing his hoax in the roswell beams?

Either way, there are a few similarities, in the form, weight, colour and both have symbols.

Check the photo:
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 30th, 2007, 3:37pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 3:17pm, LAU wrote:
Do you guys think the strange craft is from the same origin as the roswell crash UFO, or, you think Isaac inspired himself in writing his hoax in the roswell beams?

Either way, there are a few similarities, in the form, weight, colour and both have symbols.


I see no connection. The Isaac Papers clearly state there are many "races". The Roswell crash may simply be from another one.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 30th, 2007, 3:48pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 2:26pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Isaac:

I don't think we can top Mark's words since he's pretty much stated all of our concerns.

Just knowing that your website is still up and available is a good thing. If it were to disappear, we would be left to wonder and that's not a good thing.

With all of the info that has been copied out of it and now sits amongst other websites, there would be no reason for a government entity to hack in and destroy yours so I hope you leave it as it is for the time being - that is unless you wish to add to it at which time we'll all jump for joy.


ATO,

I too think it is very much possible Isaac is reading the forum. Would it be a good idea to organize anything specifically addressed to Isaac into a separate thread? A kind of a thread intended for Isaac to read? I had some questions for him but would not like them to get lost in the chatter. If so could you also police the thread, editing out anything not appropriate?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by jugement on Jun 30th, 2007, 3:50pm

IF chad or Isaac and the rest are hoax,s. I ask all of you when I had the dream about this craft how did I see It in my dream just like the picture of chad,s? serious I have no reason to lie to you all. huh
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 4:01pm

Hello, jugement! What was the dream about? In what context did you see this carft? I'd be interested in hearing about it. If it's in an earlier post could you please repost the link? Thank you!

On the aliens and which type might be associated with this technology - Isaac is clear that he never saw an actual ET or space craft, so that leaves us only speculation. Latitude, you're right, who knows how many races there are? The Roswell I-beam is an intriguing question and the irony of this all coming together just weeks (now days) before the 60th anniversary of the crash, is hard to ignore. Not that I'm linking the two consciously or claiming it's a ploy, just another example of synchronicity at work!

DrDil, your ET looks like the one on the cover of "Communion", a groundbreaking book whether you're a believer or not. It - and that cover painting - were a catalyst for abductees. These are a few of my own images, the painting on the right I did in the early 80's, the sketch just a few months ago. Again, there's a familiar feel to much of this.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by becker44 on Jun 30th, 2007, 4:05pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 2:26pm, mantis wrote:
ill say one thing it all could be some sort of weather monitoring equipment unseen before
or also some one has made them out bits and bobs of weather monitoring equipment to make them look alien just a thought grin


Mantis,

Here's a link to weather monitoring equipment. I thought the same and posted this on anothr forum. I can't get past the fact the object appears to be levitating however.

Becker

http://www.inmtn.com/html/weather/weatherclimate.htm
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by starman on Jun 30th, 2007, 4:14pm

MarkM, impressive artistic skills man. smiley
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by hjdelight on Jun 30th, 2007, 4:18pm

We should all remember that these days there are literally thousands of very capable people who derive pleasure from hoaxing us. Some have lots of money too. Some are probably well paid to yank our chain and confuse the issue. Some might be right here with us on this forum. I would be surprised if there weren't.

All that said and all things considered, this appears genuine to me. But what do I know actually? The photos and the story are great but depending on who you listen to, easily produced or at least producible with skill and equipment. Other than that, I only have the forum opinions and speculation. It's all fascinating and entertaining but I wouldn't bet a dollar either way since there's not anything factual to hang your hat on. But my opinion, which is free and therefore worthless, is that it appears genuine.

HJ
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 4:33pm

Well, the two most powerful world leaders are now in my backyard. What a perfect opportunity for a drone cameo! Here's a pic from our local paper this morning. Hey what's that thing ......??!!!

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THIS IS A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 4:44pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 4:33pm, MarkM wrote:
Well, the two most powerful world leaders are now in my backyard. What a perfect opportunity for a drone cameo! Here's a pic from our local paper this morning. Hey what's that thing ......??!!!

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THIS IS A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!


And Robin Hood's arrow is pointing where? CIA and the FBI are both hangin in your neighborhood right now - better watch it. ROFL


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by RoH on Jun 30th, 2007, 4:52pm

CGI vs Isaac

From the http://ovnis-usa.com/ site

The debate reconsiders the topic recurringly: “Cgi, or not?” On ATS, an amateur like 1111, already pinned for heavy faults, demene to monopolize the attention.

Fortunately, in a way very posed, others are expressed
with really technical arguments, and it is the case of srb2001: “I am an artist cgi, and I attentively observed the photographs of Isaac showing the artifacts aliens. There is strictly no proof of returned 3D. I.e. there are no pixels of antialiasing on the geometrical edges of the objects.
Even by having recourse to the filters of blur (Gaussian and grain), which is used to approach the effect of a photographic image, contours of the object appear very differently from one made synthetic numerical. (...) These objects were photographed with a traditional apparatus of type SLR. “

[ENGLISH TRANSLATION]

And there is something about the diagrams and the number 8! I've notise this myself, when looking at the diagrams you will see that it is everywhere, start counting...
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by RoH on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:00pm

A good joke from the same site:

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lol
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:03pm

To Isaac:
I applaud you for coming forward with your information, and that you had the foresight to take the documents. Truly, if this is real and not hoaxed, will be a very, very, very important step towards full disclosure. We all knew that one day, the world just couldn't deny it any longer.

To former employees of CARET and the like: I challenge you to come forward. Join Isaac and bring forth documents, photos and any other memories you might have. For those who have family members that worked for these governmentally run agencies, please encourage them to come forward as well. They might be elderly and not be internet savvy. We encourage and applaud everyone brave enough to come forward.
lipsrsealed huh
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:15pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 4:18pm, hjdelight wrote:
All that said and all things considered, this appears genuine to me. But what do I know actually? The photos and the story are great but depending on who you listen to, easily produced or at least producible with skill and equipment. But my opinion, which is free and therefore worthless, is that it appears genuine.HJ


What appears to set some people apart from others in regard to whether they believe it or feel it is a hoax I think has a lot to do with whether or not they read "Isaac's" website non-stop without interruption and then reviewed it again for more long-term absorption.

This means observing all photos and reading both his letter and the report text thoroughly making sure that they 'understood' everything they were reading instead of understanding some parts but skipping over others.

I've noticed two members in particular who have changed their tune more recently who were borderline debunkers when they first came in. I believe this happened because eventually they found themselves resorting back to "Isaac's" website quite often for one thing or another. In doing so, much more was being absorbed and not overlooked or ignored due to it's technical nature.

Even I jumped over the holographic computational substrate, but then I spent a couple hours on it this morning in order to better understand it and boy was that a big wow when it was now a part of my long-term memory.

CloudBreak used an analogy on the brain and neurons for a better understanding, which clicked for me, but I still did not have a thorough understanding until I went out into the Internet and found the Cliff Notes (so to speak) and read. I can actually expand on that analogy CloudBreak presented but I don't want to embarass myself. rolleyes I've posted CloudBreak's analogy at the bottom.

So some of the text is going to be ignored by some that do not wish to figure it out but when you find out what it is you didn't understand and then think back and look at Isaac's job, his words, his obvious schooling and simply the fact that he's talking about a holographic computational substrate now everything changes. Because I understand it now, (the basics) I also realize that this would be a very large part of alien technology and such applications are probably extremely prevalent in their lives in many, many ways so it became even moreso less of a hoax at that moment of realization for me.

Truthfully, I don't have a sense of it being a hoax whatsoever inside me (a feeling). It still could be a hoax of course but I do not have that feeling anymore.

Quote:
By CloudBreak: Now a brain is not a holographic substrate, but there are many similarities. The computational power of 4 neurons is greater than 4 times the computational power of 1 neuron. The brain is non-linear. Also different regions of the brain have their neurons clustered in different configurations such that different functions are achieved






Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:25pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 3:48pm, Latitude wrote:
ATO,
I too think it is very much possible Isaac is reading the forum. Would it be a good idea to organize anything specifically addressed to Isaac into a separate thread? A kind of a thread intended for Isaac to read? I had some questions for him but would not like them to get lost in the chatter. If so could you also police the thread, editing out anything not appropriate?


It might be a little too late for that Latitude, to many comments are in here already and besides, I find it appropriate in here too though.

It doesn't take rocket scientist to figure out whether or not Isaac is reading the thread. It's human nature to want to know what people are talking about when they're talking about you. We all do it.

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Post by starsigndavid on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:38pm

None of us wants to be duped or appear gullible, so we qualify everything we say with 'if this is real' and 'if this isn't a hoax' and so on. I know I am guilty of it.
When this first hit, I read it all in one sitting, all of it, even though some of it had me floundering in the darkness of my own ignorance and technical expertise.
I do feel this is real. I will be the first to admit I am totally taken in by it and I will stand honorably by my own naivete if it turns out otherwise. The ring of truth seems to be in the entire thing; so much of it seems to dovetail nicely with what I have observed, hoped for, thought about and researched. The is a confluence of phenomena here. [Pardon that last part, but I have always wanted to find just the right moment to use the word 'confluence!']
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Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:46pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 2:26pm, mantis wrote:
ill say one thing it all could be some sort of weather monitoring equipment unseen before
or also some one has made them out bits and bobs of weather monitoring equipment to make them look alien just a thought grin


That was an initial thought of mine as well as member Easternbluestar. We spent a week plus gathering up what we could and put this together. It may be just that but at this point, the likelyhood that it's human is not likely yet, unless whoever picked up the ball from PACL figured out the anti-gravity thing over the past 20 years that is.

06-01-07 Strange Craft May Be Energy Systems Monitoring Drone
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftdrone.html

Here is the jpg that is dead in there.

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Post by OnlookerDelay on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:54pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:51am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I think he said "grey basket" because he was on the air. He's been called on this before on certain UFO sightings so he's probaby now watching his P's and Q's.

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I just listened to the segment in question again from Stanton Friedman's May 7th appearance on C2C. He was on for 3/4's of the first half hour segment talking about the then posted "Chad" images. I'd forgotten that Stan went on that long about it, but he was mostly using the time to outline his philosophy on UFOs in general.

To sum of the the pertinent points concerning the craft he said:

- "We don't know anything about the camera that took the pictures."

- "I've never seen anything that looks like that... that flies - it looks like some sort of super-special helicopter.

- "my first cut at it is that it's phoney combination really.... sort of a model, combined with pictures of the outdoors... that's as close to anything that I'm willing to stick my neck out on this"

- "never before have I heard anyone report a UFO that looks like this"

- "the lettering on the craft isn't anything like the Roswell craft"

- "if this thing is real, my best guess is that it's a UAV"

-" it's in my grey basket, at best"

ATO, I'm aware of Stanton's "grey basket" posture. I sensed a little bit of a "not invented here" attitude in Stanton's tone and comments with this. He frequently seems to be somewhat dismissive of investigations with which he's not directly involved. However, I think his closing remarks indicated that he still had a curious take on this one.



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Post by Nephilim on Jun 30th, 2007, 6:06pm

ATO:
"It doesn't take rocket scientist to figure out whether or not Isaac is reading the thread. It's human nature to want to know what people are talking about when they're talking about you. We all do it."

I agree. Especially if one considers themselves in possible danger. Heck yeah, I'd be all over this site lol

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Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 6:08pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:38pm, starsigndavid wrote:
[Pardon that last part, but I have always wanted to find just the right moment to use the word 'confluence!']


Oh garsh! And can't even allow myself to use big words in here. lol

In one paragraph however you described a seagull a fish and dove. Are you watching Animal Planet while you post? ROFL

gullible
floundering
dovetail




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Post by starsigndavid on Jun 30th, 2007, 6:09pm

ok, ya got me!
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Post by hjdelight on Jun 30th, 2007, 6:11pm

I agree with that also. Plus the fact that Stanton Friedman is not totally dismissive of this. I've read and listened to the man long enought to see he's just being cautious.

HJ

PS: And he is a little arrogant but what the heck, he's a true scientist.
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Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 6:14pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:54pm, OnlookerDelay wrote:
He frequently seems to be somewhat dismissive of investigations with which he's not directly involved. However, I think his closing remarks indicated that he still had a curious take on this one.


I bet he's got a real curious take on it now. And I've seen these guys who are heavy into the subject get jealous over another's find. It's like anything else I guess. Sort of like when Sputnik was up there but we were still in the hanger stage. This whole country was jealous. Then those pangs went away when we landed on the moon.

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Post by Nephilim on Jun 30th, 2007, 6:28pm

Yes, unfortunately in the scientific filed of research, it can quickly become all about 'credit.' Who's name is on the published paper, etc.

Most in the research field don't make alot of money, they have investors, they need their name out there and credentials so they can get the funds.

Not the best way to do things as sometimes the research is hramed in the process. It takes longer and scientists are more at odds with each other rather than working together.
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Post by Nephilim on Jun 30th, 2007, 6:52pm

Here is that article about the holographic technology:

2 1 1999 When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing

By William M. Arkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.
At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.
But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.
By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.
Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun's team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors."
"They chose to have him say something he would never otherwise have said," chuckled one of Papcun's colleagues.
A Box of Chocolates is Like War

Most Americans were introduced to the tricks of the digital age in the movie Forrest Gump, when the character played by Tom Hanks appeared to shake hands with President Kennedy.
For Hollywood, it is special effects. For covert operators in the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, it is a weapon of the future.
"Once you can take any kind of information and reduce it into ones and zeros, you can do some pretty interesting things," says Daniel T. Kuehl, chairman of the Information Operations department of the National Defense University in Washington, the military's school for information warfare.
Digital morphing — voice, video, and photo — has come of age, available for use in psychological operations. PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives.
To some, PSYOPS is a backwater military discipline of leaflet dropping and radio propaganda. To a growing group of information war technologists, it is the nexus of fantasy and reality. Being able to manufacture convincing audio or video, they say, might be the difference in a successful military operation or coup.
Allah on the Holodeck

Pentagon planners started to discuss digital morphing after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Covert operators kicked around the idea of creating a computer-faked videotape of Saddam Hussein crying or showing other such manly weaknesses, or in some sexually compromising situation. The nascent plan was for the tapes to be flooded into Iraq and the Arab world.
The tape war never proceeded, killed, participants say, by bureaucratic fights over jurisdiction, skepticism over the technology, and concerns raised by Arab coalition partners.
But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990?
According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air.
But doing so over the skies of Iraq? To project such a hologram over Baghdad on the order of several hundred feet, they calculated, would take a mirror more than a mile square in space, as well as huge projectors and power sources.
And besides, investigators came back, what does Allah look like?
The Gulf War hologram story might be dismissed were it not the case that washingtonpost.com has learned that a super secret program was established in 1994 to pursue the very technology for PSYOPS application. The "Holographic Projector" is described in a classified Air Force document as a system to "project information power from space ... for special operations deception missions."
War is Like a Box of Chocolates

Voice-morphing? Fake video? Holographic projection? They sound more like Mission Impossible and Star Trek gimmicks than weapons. Yet for each, there are corresponding and growing research efforts as the technologies improve and offensive information warfare expands.
Whereas early voice morphing required cutting and pasting speech to put letters or words together to make a composite, Papcun's software developed at Los Alamos can far more accurately replicate the way one actually speaks. Eliminated are the robotic intonations.
The irony is that after Papcun finished his speech cloning research, there were no takers in the military. Luckily for him, Hollywood is interested: The promise of creating a virtual Clark Gable is mightier than the sword.
Video and photo manipulation has already raised profound questions of authenticity for the journalistic world. With audio joining the mix, it is not only journalists but also privacy advocates and the conspiracy-minded who will no doubt ponder the worrisome mischief that lurks in the not too distant future.
"We already know that seeing isn't necessarily believing," says Dan Kuehl, "now I guess hearing isn't either."

William M. Arkin, author of "The U.S. Military Online," is a leading expert on national security and the Internet. He lectures and writes on nuclear weapons, military matters and information warfare. An Army intelligence analyst from 1974-1978, Arkin currently consults for Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive, MSNBC and the Natural Resources Defense Council.

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Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:03pm

There is, as in any profession, pride in authorship within the UFO community. That, and egos. During my career I've seen many good concepts go by the wayside because "it didn't come from us." I'd love to believe that everyone is in this for the greater good, but I'm not that naive.

My bet is that all the big "names" are waiting to see who jumps into the pond first - and which pond. Then it'll be like ducks in a row! The other scenario is that this drone makes Headline News and the "experts" suddenly have microphones thrust in their face. No, forget that fantasy, the mics will be aimed at the fringe elements.

Whatever your opinion of Whitley Streiber is, to his credit he's put himself out there on this. Both of his journal entries about these craft and the possible significance of them have been very insightful. I respect him for that.
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Post by Nephilim on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:10pm

I'm placing these articles here because I think they may have some tie-ins to the strange craft technology.

10 26 2005 Remote Control Device 'Controls' Humans

We wield remote controls to turn things on and off, make them advance, make them halt. Ground-bound pilots use remotes to fly drone airplanes, soldiers to maneuver battlefield robots.
But manipulating humans?
Prepare to be remotely controlled. I was.
Just imagine being rendered the rough equivalent of a radio-controlled toy car.
Nippon Telegraph & Telephone Corp., Japans top telephone company, says it is developing the technology to perhaps make video games more realistic. But more sinister applications also come to mind.
I can envision it being added to militaries' arsenals of so-called "non-lethal" weapons.
A special headset was placed on my cranium by my hosts during a recent demonstration at an NTT research center. It sent a very low voltage electric current from the back of my ears through my head _ either from left to right or right to left, depending on which way the joystick on a remote-control was moved.
I found the experience unnerving and exhausting: I sought to step straight ahead but kept careening from side to side. Those alternating currents literally threw me off.
The technology is called galvanic vestibular stimulation _ essentially, electricity messes with the delicate nerves inside the ear that help maintain balance.
I felt a mysterious, irresistible urge to start walking to the right whenever the researcher turned the switch to the right. I was convinced _ mistakenly _ that this was the only way to maintain my balance.
The phenomenon is painless but dramatic. Your feet start to move before you know it. I could even remote-control myself by taking the switch into my own hands.
There's no proven-beyond-a-doubt explanation yet as to why people start veering when electricity hits their ear. But NTT researchers say they were able to make a person walk along a route in the shape of a giant pretzel using this technique.
It's a mesmerizing sensation similar to being drunk or melting into sleep under the influence of anesthesia. But it's more definitive, as though an invisible hand were reaching inside your brain.
NTT says the feature may be used in video games and amusement park rides, although there are no plans so far for a commercial product.
Some people really enjoy the experience, researchers said while acknowledging that others feel uncomfortable.
I watched a simple racing-car game demonstration on a large screen while wearing a device programmed to synchronize the curves with galvanic vestibular stimulation. It accentuated the swaying as an imaginary racing car zipped through a virtual course, making me wobbly.
Another program had the electric current timed to music. My head was pulsating against my will, getting jerked around on my neck. I became so dizzy I could barely stand. I had to turn it off.
NTT researchers suggested this may be a reflection of my lack of musical abilities. People in tune with freely expressing themselves love the sensation, they said.
"We call this a virtual dance experience although some people have mentioned it's more like a virtual drug experience," said Taro Maeda, senior research scientist at NTT. "I'm really hopeful Apple Computer will be interested in this technology to offer it in their iPod."
Research on using electricity to affect human balance has been going on around the world for some time.
James Collins, professor of biomedical engineering at Boston University, has studied using the technology to prevent the elderly from falling and to help people with an impaired sense of balance. But he also believes the effect is suited for games and other entertainment.
"I suspect they'll probably get a kick out of the illusions that can be created to give them a more total immersion experience as part of virtual reality," Collins said.
The very low level of electricity required for the effect is unlikely to cause any health damage, Collins said. Still, NTT required me to sign a consent form, saying I was trying the device at my own risk.
And risk definitely comes to mind when playing around with this technology.
Timothy Hullar, assistant professor at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, Mo., believes finding the right way to deliver an electromagnetic field to the ear at a distance could turn the technology into a weapon for situations where "killing isn't the best solution."
"This would be the most logical situation for a nonlethal weapon that presumably would make your opponent dizzy," he said via e-mail. "If you find just the right frequency, energy, duration of application, you would hope to find something that doesn't permanently injure someone but would allow you to make someone temporarily off-balance."
Indeed, a small defense contractor in Texas, Invocon Inc., is exploring whether precisely tuned electromagnetic pulses could be safely fired into people's ears to temporarily subdue them.
NTT has friendlier uses in mind.
If the sensation of movement can be captured for playback, then people can better understand what a ballet dancer or an Olympian gymnast is doing, and that could come handy in teaching such skills.
And it may also help people dodge oncoming cars or direct a rescue worker in a dark tunnel, NTT researchers say. They maintain that the point is not to control people against their will.
If you're determined to fight the suggestive orders from the electric currents by clinging to a fence or just lying on your back, you simply won't move.
But from my experience, if the currents persist, you'd probably be persuaded to follow their orders. And I didn't like that sensation. At all.

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Post by radi on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:16pm

I have been following this whole craft for only less than a month but there are still many questions that I had with even the old info. I tried to read everything but didn't see anything about the following.....

Thought I would post this since this picture appears in the last few posts. But the drone above the wires that I have not seen anyone post on is where is the rest of the wire below the craft...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7171/theroywb7.jpg

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Post by radi on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:20pm

Also I have posted this on the Mufon site. But when this image is opened into a graphics editor adjusting the Hue, Saturation and Constrast you can see the wire is just not there along with other signs of Photoshopping...
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3577/moreir5.jpg
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Post by radi on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:23pm

Also on the Text if this is old drawings why do fonts exsist today that resemble the font on the crafts and the drawings.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3942/fontpossge8.jpg
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Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:26pm

radi - I examined that one as well. Follow the that same wire on both sides of the craft all the way down. It twists. In other words you're getting a different perspective and shadow pattern. I zoomed in and it was pretty clear that it's a twist. I think the coloring of the shadowed wiring is so close in hue to the bottom of the craft that it gets washed out. Hope that helps!
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Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:31pm

On the font - as a graphic artist I could - and have - modified many a font in my day. I could do wonders with pretty much any number "7" through all kinds of manipulation. There are similarities to many ancient texts including early cuneiform, oriental characters, etc. Please read on this in earlier posts - there are only so many ways one can configure lines without getting similarities. This sounds like reverse graphic engineering - show me a symbol and I'll recreate it with an existing font!
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Post by radi on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:38pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:26pm, MarkM wrote:
radi - I examined that one as well. Follow the that same wire on both sides of the craft all the way down. It twists. In other words you're getting a different perspective and shadow pattern. I zoomed in and it was pretty clear that it's a twist. I think the coloring of the shadowed wiring is so close in hue to the bottom of the craft that it gets washed out. Hope that helps!


On that second pict it would seem to me that if the craft is above the wire and the wire being black and below the craft you would see the wire running all the way accross the bottom of the ship. It fades out indicating using a masking brush inside of a graphics app...
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Post by inex on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:43pm

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I have been following this whole craft for only less than a month but there are still many questions that I had with even the old info. I tried to read everything but didn't see anything about the following.....

Thought I would post this since this picture appears in the last few posts. But the drone above the wires that I have not seen anyone post on is where is the rest of the wire below the craft...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7171/theroywb7.jpg

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Also I have posted this on the Mufon site. But when this image is opened into a graphics editor adjusting the Hue, Saturation and Contrast you can see the wire is just not there along with other signs of Photoshopping...
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3577/moreir5.jpg

Re: Radi
The wire is there...and all your points addressed...suggest you go quick and sort out your mistake on the MUFON site. cheesy
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Post by radi on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:43pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:31pm, MarkM wrote:
On the font - as a graphic artist I could - and have - modified many a font in my day. I could do wonders with pretty much any number "7" through all kinds of manipulation. There are similarities to many ancient texts including early cuneiform, oriental characters, etc. Please read on this in earlier posts - there are only so many ways one can configure lines without getting similarities. This sounds like reverse graphic engineering - show me a symbol and I'll recreate it with an existing font!


The thing I was thinking about on this is if these were top secret documents and this alien text. How could there be a font that exsists that looks like it..Not to mention the fact that it is not one font but it is several fonts..There are the two that I posted about already. But the others I reconize but do not know the names at the moment..I used to work in a sign shop since 2000 where we used fonts everyday and had to recreate them and guess at what they were... smiley
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Post by obie on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:44pm

Issac says the ETs have been giving us technical help and former Appollo astronuat Dr. Brian O'Leary in the foreword to Stephen Greers book " Hidden Truth" says the same . Why are we bothering with our space shuttle and space station really low tech in comparison to our visitors.
BTW if any should have a copy of Above Top Secret by Tim Good you will see a similiar device as the strange craft on page 455 from a 70s sighting I think.
I have a low tech cheap scanner so can't send it!
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Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:52pm

obie, could you try in anyway? If it's a match it could be terribly significant.

radi, show me an UNMODIFIED full character, commercial font that exactly matches all of the symbols on the craft and in the diagrams, and I'll perk up.
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Post by radi on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:01pm

Well if someone went through all this trouble so far to post all this and has the skill and creative ability they are not going to use straight fonts without modification. If you look at my post with the text. The description is the font unmodified.
They would also go through the trouble of creating something out of many fonts not just one or two.. smiley
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Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:15pm

radi, I understand where you're coming from. If I were going to develop a hoax with all of the complexity involved in this case, however, I would create characters that bore no resemblance to any existing (and commercially available) font. The less elements that could be replicated from existing visuals, the better. In addition, it would take me far less time to create something from my own imagination than to make several modifications to a readily available font. And do you know what? Even then, someone, somewhere would find a symbol that looked like it smiley.
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Post by Farmboy on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:15pm

i agree these are remote controlled drones capable of broad-range EM detection and transmission (and projection...3d holographic). Recording from Telephone wires, microwave beams, TV, visible range fotos,... They are manufactured by humans, but reverse-engineered by humans from alien technology the best we can . "We" being most likely the palo alto-Santa Clara-SAIS-DOD crew who have been busy developing EM lensing.

Suggest the blacked out para 4 in the Isaac report has to do with beam transmission (weapon application), detection (surveillance) and multi-wave signal disruption (cloaking) all adding up to the perfect uav. I believe surveillance is the strict human purpose of these human-made drones.

The alien originals have been around for a long time and probably still are, but self-cloaking. The technology represented in the drones is advanced, but human made. A glaring example iof human manufacturing is the non-surface conforming (thrown togther appearance) EM transmission and detection apparatus. BUT, every drone geometry conforms to advanced EM wave guide circuitry, notably the EM lens "micro strip" technology (Rotman Lenses).

Adapted alien technology allows the drones to manipulate visibility via manipulating refraction at ALL frequencies making them radar invisible and invisible to the human eye or any eye of whatever species.

Isaac pics show hanger with drone components laid out as if for repair/maintenance as the parts are man made (note the tiny wave guide port into the "claw" ), and some wear and tear is apparent as noted by prior post. The absence of a reference scale is unusual for a investigation foto which is why i assume a repair lay-out.

The drones seem two types - lifter tech with open circumference microwave lenses; and the magneto pulse Antigrav) drive with the flux guide probe below and top, plus the standard Em lenses which are multiplied by the greater anti-grav lift. The open circle drone type is probably powered, and controlled by transmitted microwave energy possibly from overhead satellite. The closed circle propulsion is self contained and perhaps exotic, i.e small nuclear.

The sightings might go back to 1974 (OVNIS report) but my french is rusty.

The current sightings are either of deliberately revealed craft that were maneuvered near transmission lines to disrupt the cloaking (The remote controllers can see all human activity nearby day and night via visible and IR detection).

Agree with prior post, and my own prior post, that the "blue prints are human attempts to render on 2-d the 3 or maybe more "D" alien source "documents". The nodal layout is an approximation of above and below plane vectors as denoted by a combination of line thickness, curve tightness, etc. There are quite a few variables in almost all elements drawn in each blueprint...not to mention the bar codes (definitely humanoid).
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Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:17pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:01pm, radi wrote:
If you look at my post with the text. The description is the font unmodified.


radi, in the image you posted the text that accompanies the font mentions "modified" three times.
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Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:21pm

Fascinating and very detailed information, Farmboy - where are you getting this information from?
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Post by Farmboy on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:38pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:21pm, MarkM wrote:
Fascinating and very detailed information, Farmboy - where are you getting this information from?


MarkM, u must have drone channels into your brain...never sleep. How did I get on this? Clued in by the small microwave "nozzle" in a component on hanger floor, plus the partially visible and almost sun-washed out variable length wave guide tubes feeding into the upper surface of the open circle Chad major ring.

Suggest drone detection/transmission mission capabilities are expanded by adding more rings, eg Big Basin. This is actually primitive tech and would expect a truly alien detection system to be craft-conformal phased array, or solid state holographic, self-assembled, n-dimensional and fully capable of accepting surface-writ instructions. OS sytem, I/O fiunctions, Wi-Fi are all holographically present and linked. Prior poster spoke of writing as some form of assembler languange...i support this in principle except that the OS system would be nth-level user friendly. And everything would be q-bit coded into an n-dimensional quantum array, virtually infinite computing power.


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Post by radi on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:40pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:17pm, MarkM wrote:
radi, in the image you posted the text that accompanies the font mentions "modified" three times.



Yep that Text that accompanies the symbols is what the font looks like unmoddified..
The bigger single character is what is modified..
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Post by travelboarder on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:42pm

MarkM, you speak very wisely, and I am jealous of your ability to get your point accross so well.

I have been following this strange craft sightings since they first arose a few months ago. This recent development by codename Issac is very intruiging.

I think the connections between the language and the crop circles has potential, and I await any work all of you are doing on that front. One thing that struck me as interesting was Issac's reference to the fact that the letters needed to be on a certain material and in a certain field in order to be activated as self-sustaining code. From what I can remember, at sites of crop circles that haven't been proven hoaxes, some of them had a metallic residue on the plants within the designs that had magnetic properties. Am I right in remembering that?

I remember one of you posted on the Issac documents about how in photoshop you lowerred the gamma levels, and found that T symbol on each of the documents. Something that interests me about the documents, that I'm sure you all have noticed, but maybe not is that there is one master out of the five. The other four are zooms of certain portions of the master. This makes me wonder if Issac created them in photoshop, and then zoomed in to make the alternate docs seem like different pages. Just a thought.

My gut tells me that in the coming months something huge is going to happen. Is this strange craft/drone thing real or a hoax? Hopefully we find out and aren't left in the dust wondering. I think it is very possible this is all very real, and not just a coincidence.

The connections we are all drawing from the Issac documents/story/images are quite logical. For some reason the "language" seems very familiar to us all, and we dont know why. One of you posted that you felt if you stared at it long enough you would be able to read it again, as if you once knew how to read it. I feel the same way. I remember in the "Alien Interview" documentary, the whistleblower said that one of the things we had gatherred from the aliens, is that they know reincarnation is real. IF SO, could it be that we all once utilized this language in a past life as an alien? meh. I hope I didn't scare any of you off with that comment.

I have seen a few unexplained things in my 22 years of life, then again I am a military brat. I have heard things from friends in the military that definately hint to this kind of thing. ETs providing us with their technology in exchange for cooperation to use our planet as a pit-stop of sorts. Kind of like Tatooine. But thats another story.

Finishing up here, with all I have heard in my days, and all the documentaries/films/recent sightings and now this, I feel that something big is about to hit the galactic fan. On a side note, I want to go thru all the Disclosure project videos and documents to see if anyone in that group has said anything along the lines of Issac or if any of the same facilities are mentioned in research. Anyone wanna help?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by radi on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:44pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:43pm, inex wrote:
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVEDhuh - ASK ISAAC
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I have been following this whole craft for only less than a month but there are still many questions that I had with even the old info. I tried to read everything but didn't see anything about the following.....

Thought I would post this since this picture appears in the last few posts. But the drone above the wires that I have not seen anyone post on is where is the rest of the wire below the craft...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7171/theroywb7.jpg

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Also I have posted this on the Mufon site. But when this image is opened into a graphics editor adjusting the Hue, Saturation and Contrast you can see the wire is just not there along with other signs of Photoshopping...
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3577/moreir5.jpg

Re: Radi
The wire is there...and all your points addressed...suggest you go quick and sort out your mistake on the MUFON site. cheesy


Still no answers thou.. smiley The wire not being there still makes no sense, One would still be able to see it even if it was close to the same hue and saturation...
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:50pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:16pm, radi wrote:
I have been following this whole craft for only less than a month but there are still many questions that I had with even the old info. I tried to read everything but didn't see anything about the following.....

Thought I would post this since this picture appears in the last few posts. But the drone above the wires that I have not seen anyone post on is where is the rest of the wire below the craft...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7171/theroywb7.jpg


Digital isn't the beat all for capturing images, film is still the best medium for that.
Digital is popular for it's portability, it's ability for easy manipulation, that's why Lucas used it for the last 3 SW films.
I myself have taken photos of birds that look like discs with digital but not on film.
Besides I'm more interested in the craft's construction and the details pertaining to that, the wire has long been a non issue.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by meller on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:54pm

Not meaning to "steal" any viewers from here, but I would like to bring to your attention an idea I had for advancing our understanding of these symbols.

See: http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183254701

Is anyone good with fonts?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:56pm

Travelboarder - Welcome! Thank you for your kind words. We are all expressing our thoughts, in words and in emotions. This enigma has brought us together in a wonderful way, be it truth or fiction. Our common goal is to understand it - one way or another.

Your post was eloquent and heartfelt, I look forward to hearing much more from you.

I agree, something huge is coming. I'll share something here: from as far back as I can remember I have known one thing with absolute certainty - that there would come a time in my life when something would happen that would change the world forever. I, and many, many others have a part to play in this event. I have no fear of it, it's neither good nor bad, just necessary - and major. Whatever "this" is, my sense is that it's very close. I wish I had more answers, but I don't. Yet, I have a deep confidence that when the time is right, I will.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by travelboarder on Jun 30th, 2007, 9:09pm

MarkM. thank you for your comments. The feelings are mutual.

I am an archaeologist, and I emphasize in rates of technological advances of ancient civilizations. There have been artifacts uncoverred all thru out archaology that have defied our understanding, and are possibly more advanced than even our current technology. To my knowledge, there is about twelve such discoveries that have yet to be understood, and lean towards possible manufacture outside our planet if you ask me. I say this because some of these objects have symbols just like the ones Issac has provided and while they are in much poorer shape, it is an interesting link.

ANYWAYS, my drummer is way into UFOlogy and has shown me some things that have blown my mind, and will probably blow yours as well.....possibly.

www.mayanmajix.com

He showed me a DVD from there about how these two guys decipherred the mayan calendars, and its not what you would think....its crazy. It takes some time for the speaker to get to this point, but supposedly, according to the mayans....we will mee tour galactic neighbors by Nov. 18th, 2007. Check it out.

And if you are interested in astrophysics and whatnot....David Sereda. You cruise these forums so I'm sure you have heard of him, but he knows his stuff. Astro-Physics was my original major until I swithced to Archaeology. It drove me crazy seeing math everywhere I went.

Well, enjoy and I'm sure I will be posting often. This feels like a very important subject.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jun 30th, 2007, 9:13pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:44pm, obie wrote:
Issac says the ETs have been giving us technical help


I must have missed reading that part. Can you please quote the text where Isaac states the ETs have been helping us?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 9:13pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:54pm, meller wrote:
Not meaning to "steal" any viewers from here, but I would like to bring to your attention an idea I had for advancing our understanding of these symbols.

See: http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183254701

Is anyone good with fonts?


It's not a matter of stealing viewers, it's just that you're essentially trying to start a new thread on the same subject (well part of the subject anyway).

The members will do as they please however I prefer the subject stay within this thread.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by RoH on Jun 30th, 2007, 9:17pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:54pm, meller wrote:
Not meaning to "steal" any viewers from here, but I would like to bring to your attention an idea I had for advancing our understanding of these symbols.

See: http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183254701

Is anyone good with fonts?


OnTheFence's symbols

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The numbers can be different, but there is something with the number 8. just look at the diagram.
start counting...



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by meller on Jun 30th, 2007, 9:39pm

Alright, I wasn't sure where to post this but thanks to ATO, I now do.

ROH, while I appreciate your posting of the images my goal is to go beyond what you post. I want to make the symbols EASY to use, i.e. (printing, engraving, other manipulation). In addition, I also want to catalog all the writings in the PACL scans.

It is easy to look at what is already visible in the pictures, what is needed is to take the quality of our perception to the next level. I suggest that we document all known writings (Chad, Isaac, etc) in text form. Perhaps, after this has been accomplished, can one begin to decipher the meaning behind the symbols.

My initial aim for this project is to accomplish the following:

1. Create a font with the CARET symbols, for ease of use.
2. Analyze all sources of writing
3. Document all of the writing and put it in text form so that it may be easier analyzed for further patterns or meaning.

The first step is the conversion to a font. In my crude attempt, I tried to use illustrator to convert OnTheFence's symbols to black and white, and then put them in a form which I could import to appropriate font software (was going to try FontCreator). However, the "live tracing" was too inaccurate and I didn't get any acceptable results.

I don't have any experience with fontmaking. Can anyone help in this regard?

Addendum: It has been suggested off-forum by OnTheFence that certain symbols are representative of an octal number system. Discussion should take place about the plausibility of the idea later, but for now we focus on getting at least SOMETHING in font form.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by radi on Jun 30th, 2007, 9:45pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:50pm, LangLee wrote:
Digital isn't the beat all for capturing images, film is still the best medium for that.
Digital is popular for it's portability, it's ability for easy manipulation, that's why Lucas used it for the last 3 SW films.
I myself have taken photos of birds that look like discs with digital but not on film.
Besides I'm more interested in the craft's construction and the details pertaining to that, the wire has long been a non issue.


Well one could easily say IMHO that if this photo was moddified with photoshop what other photos from this also were put through the same process to make it the craft look like it was in the air.. smiley
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by radi on Jun 30th, 2007, 9:49pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 9:39pm, meller wrote:
Alright, I wasn't sure where to post this but thanks to ATO, I now do.

ROH, while I appreciate your posting of the images my goal is to go beyond what you post. I want to make the symbols EASY to use, i.e. (printing, engraving, other manipulation). In addition, I also want to catalog all the writings in the PACL scans.

It is easy to look at what is already visible in the pictures, what is needed is to take the quality of our perception to the next level. I suggest that we document all known writings (Chad, Isaac, etc) in text form. Perhaps, after this has been accomplished, can one begin to decipher the meaning behind the symbols.

My initial aim for this project is to accomplish the following:

1. Create a font with the CARET symbols, for ease of use.
2. Analyze all sources of writing
3. Document all of the writing and put it in text form so that it may be easier analyzed for further patterns or meaning.

The first step is the conversion to a font. In my crude attempt, I tried to use illustrator to convert OnTheFence's symbols to black and white, and then put them in a form which I could import to appropriate font software (was going to try FontCreator). However, the "live tracing" was too inaccurate and I didn't get any acceptable results.

I don't have any experience with fontmaking. Can anyone help in this regard?

Addendum: It has been suggested off-forum by OnTheFence that certain symbols are representative of an octal number system. Discussion should take place about the plausibility of the idea later, but for now we focus on getting at least SOMETHING in font form.


Well here is a start for the fonts..It also looks like the font is a little different on the craft compared to the diagrams. Not much of a difference thou..
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3942/fontpossge8.jpg
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:06pm



The forum has a size restriction on photos so before you go posting, let me get a verification of the size.

Don't worry it's not small but I can tell you that it is smaller then a few of the ones I saw posted in Open Minds. For instance, the one Roh has posted thus far is fine.

Be back asap with an answer.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:54pm

OK...... yesterday ATO challenged me to find crop circles that matched any of the linguistic pages in Isaac's report. I have looked through hundreds of crop circle photos and have found some that are VERY similar to the circles, and circles with lines connecting them. Although to not overpost photos, you can take my word for it. As for the "onthefence" images that they compiled that Roh posted earlier, there are several crop circles that match exactly to the symbols on the top right of that image (look back at his post a few back) the circles, circles within circles, lines with circles on them. I found several crop circle websites that had the basic black and white images of crop circles (this particular site had, I believe, every crop circle design including hoaxes from the 70's through the 90's
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~pppf6/Research/CropCircle/IconPictures/IconPictures.html
This site gives charts of crop circle symbols... it was funny when I had these charts up on the computer, my 7 yr old said " Mom, what are you doing... trying to figure out some kind of language?" It really struck me that a child could look at crop circle icons (not knowing ANYTHING about it) and saying that it was a language.

As for the drone text being in crop circles, I found none. Of course, for the reason is we don't read their text, so why would they try and communicate to us with their text. Like I am sure if we were to visit another planet, we wouldn't communicate with ABC's we would communicate with mathematics, music, and other universal truths about elements and energy... just as they are doing.

I too see lots of uses of 8's in their linguistics and drawings. That really makes sense, being that music is in 8's, octaves.

As far as the skeptics are concerned that want to pull apart the photos of the drones, it would seem far more likely to be a hoax IF there had not been the sighting and photo ten years ago in Alabama (I believe someone already posted that photo) and another photo years ago -- can't remember what site I saw it on, but there were two photos of a similar drone that were slightly blurry, but the shape is unmistakeably recognizeable. Anyone have those photos and can repost them of the Alabama drone and the other blurry drone photos?

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by AgentM on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:03pm

My vote is that the "language" connects with some crop circles. I base this opinion on two points.
The obvious similarities and the odd nature of each.
I am assuming the geometric diagrams are an extrapolation of the "language".

For myself it is just one more piece of the big picture that is begining to clarify.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:08pm

I agree, the language is there in the crop circles in the big scheme of it all... I guess to clarify what I meant that I didn't necessarily find the "text" in the crop circles.. the text meaning the symbols that look like 7's, which I am assuming is their alphabet.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:28pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:54pm, castles4me wrote:
it was funny when I had these charts up on the computer, my 7 yr old said " Mom, what are you doing... trying to figure out some kind of language?" It really struck me that a child could look at crop circle icons (not knowing ANYTHING about it) and saying that it was a language.


That's neat. Amazing what happens with an unclutered mind.

Quote:
I too see lots of uses of 8's in their linguistics and drawings. That really makes sense, being that music is in 8's, octaves.


I would suspect that 8 also means infinity to them as well as us.

Quote:
As far as the skeptics are concerned that want to pull apart the photos of the drones, it would seem far more likely to be a hoax IF there had not been the sighting and photo ten years ago in Alabama (I believe someone already posted that photo) and another photo years ago


That stuff doesn't phase them, they'll just say, "prove that it was when it was. undecided .

The aliens know English peachy keen but only some in military and us abductees know this for sure. I was spoken to in English.

Two blurry drones, hmmm. Don't remember. I remember the Italy one being blurry. It was on the same post with the Georgia drone (the country). I can come up with the Alabama drone from a year ago but the older one I don't know where it is. I heard about it but I don't think there was a picture, just a comment. I'll go fetch Alabama brb.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:31pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:17pm, RoH wrote:
Do you know the answere Isaac?

Image:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/RoH_bucket/Symbolanalyse.jpg


ATO, what is the image size limit?


Don't worry about it for now. The one I need the answer from is probably asleep. Never answered my email so go ahead and do what you want for now.



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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:39pm

oh yes, it probably was the Georgia and Italy drone photos.... maybe you can locate the url for that post. I have been to so many sites the last few days its all blurring together lol
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:40pm


Here is Birmingham, Alabama from May 2006

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by RoH on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:43pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:31pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Don't worry about it for now. The one I need the answer from is probably asleep. Never answered my email so go ahead and do what you want for now.



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Re: Do you know the answere Isaac?

Ok, here we go rolleyes

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Isaw1again on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:49pm

I think you can safly fill the forum page, that would be about 900wide x ---- tall.

I'm sure excited by all the developments since these sightings.
This is what we have been waiting for. It's really happening.
We know alot more about ET today, than we did 3 days ago.
tongue
Ron
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:54pm

the Isaac blueprints also resemble a popular right brain, non-linear formatting technique.

This technique would be useful in laying out on one sheet a complex hierarchy that would include bill of materials, assembly SOPs, tech specs, performance objectives and validations. This could be a technique originating from Isaac or co-worker, or his group SOP.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:54pm

You can use this picture too for the crop circles. This is the BigBasin drone. Still looking for Italy and Georgia.

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This statement was made by Isaac so maybe you should consider the BigBasin drone.

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They appear in a very simple form on Chad’s craft, but appear in the more complex diagram form on the underside of the Big Basin craft as well. Both are unmistakable, even at the small size of the Big Basin photos. An example of a diagram in the style of the Big Basin craft is included with this in a series of scanned pages from the [mistitled] "Linguistic Analysis Primer". We needed a copy of that diagram to be utterly precise, and it took about a month for a team of six to copy that diagram into our drafting program!



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:56pm

on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:49pm, Isaw1again wrote:
I think you can safly fill the forum page, that would be about 900wide x ---- tall.

I'm sure excited by all the developments since these sightings.
This is what we have been waiting for. It's really happening.
We know alot more about ET today, than we did 3 days ago.
tongue
Ron


We're considering those with archaic 1997 systems with small monitors. Too many Windows 97 out there because it was a very big year for computer sales.

They aren't dieing fast enough and instead they're just investing in memory. lol

For pictures it's not as big a deal but for text, its a pain.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:00am

another brain spark before bed: real craft but museum pieces; diversions or preparations; a something of magnitude coming.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:05am

Those of you who can make even semi-logical assumptions about these symbols have me in awe! I was so afraid to post on here originally, and I find myself in the company of wonderful people of all disciplines and creative intelligence. Some of you are as fascinating in your knowledge and investigating skills as these ET's are! More power to you all and thank you so much for sharing your insights with dummies like me.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:13am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:05am, starsigndavid wrote:
Those of you who can make even semi-logical assumptions about these symbols have me in awe! I was so afraid to post on here originally, and I find myself in the company of wonderful people of all disciplines and creative intelligence. Some of you are as fascinating in your knowledge and investigating skills as these ET's are! More power to you all and thank you so much for sharing your insights with dummies like me.


But I sort of like the way the outside looks down on us Billy Bobs and Sweet Sues that involve ourselves with such things as aliens and UFOs. I especially like the way our interests have been associated with a lesser mentality - more then once.

Dave, did you happen to see the Peter Jennings special Seeing Is Believing I think it was called that ran a few months before he died?



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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:19am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:13am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
But I sort of like the way the outside looks down on us Billy Bobs and Sweet Sues that involve ourselves with such things as aliens and UFOs. I especially like the way our interests have been associated with a lesser mentality - more then once.
Dave, did you happen to see the Peter Jennings special Seeing Is Believing I think it was called that ran a few months before he died?




Yes, I did see it, but only recently when it was shown on the Science or Discovery Channel. This topic was flying well below my radar before I had my sighting last August. As for the mentality of those on here, they have the wonderful combination of being truth seekers as well as intelligence. Only thinking outside the box EVER gets our species anywhere!!


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Farmboy on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:35am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:02am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
No comprende' farmboy - speaka english. lol


Bedtime..but a little gas left. What i am feeling is that the drones are man-made and i made a guess by whom. But i don't feel they are current tech, human or ET, although ET is present in the background.

Some controller is allowing them to be seen, for a purpose.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Nephilim on Jul 1st, 2007, 01:23am

I enjoyed the humor pics/posts. smiley

A small reliefs of the pressure is always good. wink


So far, I think that this subject/thread has been more productive as far as producing results than I have ever whitnessed on a forum. Maybe this shows I only talk on two forums, but it is still impressive to me nonetheless.

You folks have reached beyond my understanding on many details that make up the case in whole. I have learned alot. Even if this particualr case trund out to be false, there is plenty of information in this thread that if one were to read it, they can at least come away with a basic understanding of many things.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by radi on Jul 1st, 2007, 01:32am

Some of the fonts that I was posting about can be found here. http://www.searchfreefonts.com/fonts/q6.htm
Might be able to find the others there as well. smiley
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by RoH on Jul 1st, 2007, 01:34am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 9:39pm, meller wrote:
Alright, I wasn't sure where to post this but thanks to ATO, I now do.

ROH, while I appreciate your posting of the images my goal is to go beyond what you post. I want to make the symbols EASY to use, i.e. (printing, engraving, other manipulation). In addition, I also want to catalog all the writings in the PACL scans.

It is easy to look at what is already visible in the pictures, what is needed is to take the quality of our perception to the next level. I suggest that we document all known writings (Chad, Isaac, etc) in text form. Perhaps, after this has been accomplished, can one begin to decipher the meaning behind the symbols.

My initial aim for this project is to accomplish the following:

1. Create a font with the CARET symbols, for ease of use.
2. Analyze all sources of writing
3. Document all of the writing and put it in text form so that it may be easier analyzed for further patterns or meaning.

The first step is the conversion to a font. In my crude attempt, I tried to use illustrator to convert OnTheFence's symbols to black and white, and then put them in a form which I could import to appropriate font software (was going to try FontCreator). However, the "live tracing" was too inaccurate and I didn't get any acceptable results.

I don't have any experience with fontmaking. Can anyone help in this regard?

Addendum: It has been suggested off-forum by OnTheFence that certain symbols are representative of an octal number system. Discussion should take place about the plausibility of the idea later, but for now we focus on getting at least SOMETHING in font form.


Symbols in black and white:

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EASY to use...
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WT on Jul 1st, 2007, 02:04am

What about looking at it as the inner solar system:
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by mantis on Jul 1st, 2007, 02:16am

on Jun 30th, 2007, 4:05pm, becker44 wrote:
Mantis,

Here's a link to weather monitoring equipment. I thought the same and posted this on anothr forum. I can't get past the fact the object appears to be levitating however.

Becker

http://www.inmtn.com/html/weather/weatherclimate.htm

it would be easy to make it flote all u need is a baloon and some fishing line seeing as all the shots i have seen are croped at the top of the drone so you cant see past that point thanks for the link
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by mantis on Jul 1st, 2007, 02:23am

i was just looking at the text on the drones . and i thought iv seen that before well some think like it so i googled this
http://images.google.com/images?um=1&tab=wi&hl=en&q=cuneiform
see what you think its called "cuneiform"
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WT on Jul 1st, 2007, 02:50am

This is my horoscope for today:

"You want answers and you're convinced someone is holding out on you. Before you go at them like a cross between a police interrogator and a pit bull, take a breath. You might already have the knowledge you need."

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jul 1st, 2007, 04:54am

Katakana,

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Here are a few examples. Let’s start at the very beginning and the first known example is a Proto-Sinaitic script.

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In the Middle Bronze Age an apparently "alphabetic" system known as the Proto-Sinaitic script is thought by some to have been developed in central Egypt around 1700 BCE for or by Semitic workers and based on letter appearances and names, it is believed to be loosely based on Egyptian hieroglyphs.

Then there’s another ancient language, Aramaic.

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In the first appearance of a fictitious language being proffered as a possible match we have, “Klingon.”

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And secondly we have the Aurek-Besh language which is from the Star Wars collection.

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Although I hasten to add not one of them is a definitive, consistent match. All it really does it show the inherent connections between all known written languages and the only real conclusion one could draw is that a similar style of written symbolism is universal.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 05:20am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 02:50am, WT wrote:
This is my horoscope for today:

"You want answers and you're convinced someone is holding out on you. Before you go at them like a cross between a police interrogator and a pit bull, take a breath. You might already have the knowledge you need."


LOL, how funny. I disagree and I'm going to have to debunk that statement because Pluto is not a planet anymore since it's been demoted so your astrology is no longer a fact and instead has been found to be fiction. ROFL But just for fun what does mine say. he, he
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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by travelboarder on Jul 1st, 2007, 05:20am

I have tried to relate this new craft 'language' to old texts, and I couldnt really match it up. Then again, IF...BIG IF, these drones and "language" was around during the development of these ancient civilizations, the people could have tried to imitate the symbols.

Cuneiform.....probably not, but who knows. I think the texts that resemble the craft symbols would be something like Iberian or Phonecian. Something you'd see in ancient arabia or sumer. I dont see any logical connextion besides the symbology. This isn't my field....any linguists on this forum?

For si-fi guys...klingon seems close, but I dont think so. If this is a hoax, then it is an original text developed to specifically not be traced to any other text. Once again, if this is a hoax, the individual(s) know what they are doing, and they are good.

I dont know what to think. It could be a VERY elaborate hoax, or it could be VERY real. it's past the..."we are sure it's a hoax VS. we are sure it's real point." It's been up in the air for a while, so yeah. We all know the reprocussions of whichever it is.

If it is a hoax, I'd like to meet the person(s) responsible and shake their hand.....Id be pissed, but it would be an impressive job well done to fool this many people for this long. Besides the few photos we are pretty sure are fake. I think it's possible that if these drones are real, the first few people to come foward with their pictures could have made other people think it's a hoax, and they decided to make 3-d models and fake pictures. all in due time.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:16am

I really do not think that the 'font' or 'symbol' for a better word is a letter at all. Thus far we've discovered that in most every alphabet known to man that something from the craft's symbols is lacking and only one to three symbols from the craft have thus far been discovered within any given language. Most all of this was looked at as far back as May 8th and is posted in the 33-page Chad/Capitola/Tahoe/Birmingham/BigBasin thread at this address.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=reports&num=1179108769&start=0

In that same thread we looked at Japanese - both Hiragana and Katakana, Chinese, Klingon, Arubesh, Gregg Shorthand, Kana, Heiroglyphics and cuniform. There were others mentioned as well that were dismissed without even having to spending time on them. Just the same, we only found one language that had 3 matches with the drone parts. This tells us nothing so was only coincidental.

If the 'font' or rather 'letter' were anything at all, it would be a symbol that represents a numerous amount of words or maybe just a few.

In shorthand, we can make one stroke represent a whole word or at least a syllable or a sound within a word. Because of this, I would think that by now, the aliens would have devised a symbol to mean even more. One single symbol could possibly represent a whole sentence or maybe even a specific set of directions many pages long that they have memorized and only need to know the symbol instead, in order to denote what the directions are.

Issac's assumption is that the craft itself uses one single symbol in order to perform a particular task. This is what Isaac was working on and certainly not trying to cross reference any of those symbols to human language.

Below is Gregg shorthand and I'm only posting this to give you idea as to what I mean when I say one symbol can represent a whole word and from there recognize that the aliens could easily be using their own shorthand.

For an example created by humans, in the following statement (excluding the brackets) there are 141 letters and one period (.) within the 31 words.

(All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.)

Writing this whole sentence in shorhand requires only 31 symbols as seen here that represent the same 141 characters above in yellow.

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So do you see now why we've sort of given up on the human language thing and instead are more interested in the correlation between the symbols on the craft in respect to the parts on the craft, which again is what Isaac was doing.

It is more appropriately stated here.

A complex system of symbols and geometric constructs capable of both defining the functionality of certain artifacts as well as manipulating their behavior, crudely analogous to a computer programming language, but without the need for a compilation or interpretation phase.










Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by travelboarder on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:35am

I totally agree that some of the symbols resembling human texts is 100% coincidence. I think Issac knows what he's talking about IF indeed he is telling the truth.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:42am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:00am, Farmboy wrote:
another brain spark before bed: real craft but museum pieces; diversions or preparations; a something of magnitude coming.


I don't think there is a question that it is monitoring something. The common denominator is though that it's monitoring something in rural and less populated areas and that when it has shown its face in a populated area, that area was on the outskirt of a forest.

For all we know, these drones could be monitoring our fossil fuel levels, which are responsible for global warming. The signs of what we put in the air are always found in the trees.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:48am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:35am, travelboarder wrote:
I totally agree that some of the symbols resembling human texts is 100% coincidence. I think Issac knows what he's talking about IF indeed he is telling the truth.


I no longer doubt his truth. That long dissertion of his is very profound in that he never sways and I simply cannot imagine that each sentence and each paragraph could have been written to look like it does if it were even a very creative hoaxer.

The nature of the person that wrote that is what we're seeing.

There's just too much now. We've found seven drones now in seven different areas and that does not include Isaac's artifacts either. Amongst those seven drones, there are many, many people who witnessed them too and not just 7 people.

I'm way past the "is it a hoax" state. There's just too much and everything is in a different area and the dates are 1997, 1999, 2006 and 2007. And then there's Isaac's dating back before 1983.


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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:55am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:16am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
So do you see now why we've sort of given up on the human language thing and instead are more interested in the correlation between the symbols on the craft in respect to the parts on the craft, which again is what Isaac was doing.

I only posted it as a refresher, hence the phrase proffered. It seemed that a lot of people with one or two posts were starting to focus on the text again, so rather than just refer them to links I thought I'd try to pre-empt any further posts.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:59am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:48am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I'm way past the "is it a hoax" state. There's just too much and everything is in a different area and the dates are 1997, 1999, 2006 and 2007. And then there's Isaac's dating back before 1983.


So do you believe every recent drone/craft sighting is genuine?

on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:48am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I'm way past the "is it a hoax" state. There's just too much and everything is in a different area


This seems to contradict Isaac who said, "It's no surprise that these sightings are all taking place in California, and especially the Saratoga/South Bay area."

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Post by mantis on Jul 1st, 2007, 07:11am

yes but if some one was to fake the text on them then all they would have to do is play around with it so it looks "for the want of a better word" alien but i am not saying this is true its just an idea grin
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jul 1st, 2007, 07:14am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 07:11am, mantis wrote:
yes but if some one was to fake the text on them then all they would have to do is play around with it so it looks "for the want of a better word" alien but i am not saying this is true its just an idea grin

I still have trouble accepting any of the current flap as definitive or at least beyond reproach. sad shocked rolleyes
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Post by WT on Jul 1st, 2007, 07:53am

The more I'm looking at this great drawings the more I think I've seen some kind of them somewhere. There are so many Sci-Fi movies out there that I just can't remember. StarTrek, StarGate, Predator, Mission to Mars, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Contact, ........
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 1st, 2007, 08:12am

on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:43pm, j w wright wrote:
right, got it:

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Gang, I'm still trying to sort the tags out that some of these images have been given... is this the one that's being referred to as the "Big Basin" drone?

Edit: Nevermind... I just looked at the html code for the image above - it's called "DroneBigBasin".... Duh Huh! embarassed

ATO, has the tag "Great Lakes Craft" been hung on the one the anonymous image, containing the "lander", that you received Friday?

Heck, I'll compile a program so we can tell the players once I get this sorted out. That will help alleviate confusion with other n00bs to the drone scene.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by castles4me on Jul 1st, 2007, 08:15am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:48am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I no longer doubt his truth ......
There's just too much now. We've found seven drones now in seven different areas and that does not include Isaac's artifacts either. Amongst those seven drones, there are many, many people who witnessed them too and not just 7 people.

I'm way past the "is it a hoax" state. There's just too much and everything is in a different area and the dates are 1997, 1999, 2006 and 2007. And then there's Isaac's dating back before 1983.
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I agree. If this was an elaborate hoax, then I guess "Isaac" or "Chad" or whoever else are the purported hoaxers would have had to (over a ten year time-frame) export this very large drone overseas to Italy and Georgia... then bring it back for a round in Alabama lol now THAT would be extremely elaborate and well, pretty much ridiculously impossible.

Agreed it looks like some kind of recon drone. It could be studying things underground like ATO said, crude reserves, underground water aquifers, maybe seismic/tectonic plate activity. Certainly California is a hotbed for tectonic plate activity, I am wondering if there is a geophysical or seismological common denominator in the sighting/photo areas. Do the Georgia, Italy and Alabama drone photos ever state where exactly they were taken?? Maybe someone could research that.

I believe it's all real. It's ET techno. The only alternative explanation I would be willing to consider at this point is that the US figured out the technology and recreated those parts that were on the floor in the PACL photos.

As for Isaac only calling attention to the California pictures and making reference to that... maybe he didn't know about the Alabama, Italy and Georgia photos, even some of us had to try and remember about them, and unless Isaac had constantly browsed ufo websites, then those more obscure images could have been unknown to him prior to the more recent sightings.

I agree with ATO, it really seemed like Isaac knew what he was talking about and had a real concern for wanting the information to come out. Just look at those documents from the lab manual. They are totally '80s looking, the blackened circles where he copied three hole punched paper from a binder manual.... the font of the text looks 80s-ish.

I vote it's real.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jul 1st, 2007, 08:35am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 08:15am, castles4me wrote:
As for Isaac only calling attention to the California pictures and making reference to that... maybe he didn't know about the Alabama, Italy and Georgia photos, even some of us had to try and remember about them, and unless Isaac had constantly browsed ufo websites, then those more obscure images could have been unknown to him prior to the more recent sightings.

When Isaac said, “I am also trying to get in touch with the witnesses so far, such as Chad, Rajman, Jenna, Ty, and the Lake Tahoe witness “

It would appear that he has conducted some research into the sightings and indeed comes across as quite an accomplished and intelligent person.

If so, he would have stumbled upon these at some point, although seeing as the bastardized font is not discernible on these pictures, it's possible he may have dismissed them or he may believe that they are unrelated.

But if he's (as suggested) browsed any of the forums pertaining to the drones he would have had to surely found these images by now?


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jul 1st, 2007, 08:46am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 05:20am, travelboarder wrote:
If it is a hoax, I'd like to meet the person(s) responsible and shake their hand.....


............ and kick them in the Nutz for getting everyone all worked up LOL.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 08:52am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 08:12am, OnlookerDelay wrote:
ATO, has the tag "Great Lakes Craft" been hung on the one the anonymous image, containing the "lander", that you received Friday?


I don't know. When I got it BJ had already given it a UFO Casebook name. I'll ask if he knows what state or an IP.

What do you know about a Great Lakes drone though?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:03am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:59am, DrDil wrote:
So do you believe every recent drone/craft sighting is genuine?


No. There is one I am suspicious of still.

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This seems to contradict Isaac who said, "It's no surprise that these sightings are all taking place in California, and especially the Saratoga/South Bay area."


I don't get your point exactly except to say that the Birmingham drone was not wide spread. Not like the California ones anyway and besides, maybe he was just talking about the close proximity to Palo Alto thinking only about the California drones that pertained "These sightings" as in Chad, Capitola, and Big Basin, which still doesn't include Tahoe and I'm sure he heard about the Tahoe drone on C 2 C.

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Post by castles4me on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:07am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 08:35am, DrDil wrote:
It would appear that he has conducted some research into the sightings and indeed comes across as quite an accomplished and intelligent person.


I definitely am not presuming to know what Isaac knew or didn't know up til now. Just offering "what if's" for sake of discussion. He could have definitely known about the former images from 97, 99 and 06 and until now, when the newer more clearer images were unmistakeable that he felt he couldn't hold it any longer.

I am thinking that soon more will come forward from other sources now that the proverbial cat is out of the bag. If so, we are in for a ride. I wonder if anyone has forwarded the drone photos and isaacs report to the mainstream media. lol (I dare someone to send it to reuters lol) Hey, they reported the guernsey ufo lol Although, on the station I saw -- one of the anchors said "well it looks like a frisbee to me" I guess they always throw in some kind of disclaimer to cast doubt. Like ATO said, most outsiders seem to think we are Billy Bob/mobile home park Elvis/UFO sighters lol
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:07am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 06:55am, DrDil wrote:
I only posted it as a refresher, hence the phrase proffered. It seemed that a lot of people with one or two posts were starting to focus on the text again, so rather than just refer them to links I thought I'd try to pre-empt any further posts.


LOL, I wasn't talking about you. It was directed the to cuniform post. Trying to decipher cuniform would be like pulling teeth.

Dr.Dil YOU can always post ANYTHING you want and you know that. You have free reign where as others do not simply due to their lack of knowledge in the field. In those cases I like to put the stoppers on redundancy. You know what I mean. For the same reason I moved all of the viral marketing campaign ideas to a completely different thread.

No worries Dr.Dil, go for it.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:19am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:03am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
No. There is one I am suspicious of still.



I don't get your point exactly except to say that the Birmingham drone was not wide spread. Not like the California ones anyway and besides, maybe he was just talking about the close proximity to Palo Alto thinking only about the California drones that pertained "These sightings" as in Chad, Capitola, and Big Basin, which still doesn't include Tahoe and I'm sure he heard about the Tahoe drone on C 2 C.


http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1279&category=Environment

This came in on Thursday I think. One gentleman said he saw the Birmingham Drone on the floor of a hanger at Carswell AFB.
Speaking of floor I've been studying the photo of the parts of the craft. Can anyone gauge just how large those slabs of concrete ( I believe) would be that they are laying on ?
Since the very first time I saw this it's killing me because it's so familiar. I mean I'll sit, relax and think about it, I get so close to bringing it forward, then it slips from my grasp. Frustrating to say the least.
I am one very much in control of myself ( motorcycle drag racer, 207 MPH in the quarter mile), but I know these pieces from somewhere, and I just can't grab the memory.
Anyone else have that feeling ?

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by obie on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:20am

Jesse Marcel of the Roswell incident talks about symbols that he saw on the parts of the UFO that were picked up. Same kind as those on the drones? If the symbols are both the software and hardware that gets things going then perhaps every functional piece of material in the say saucers have these symbols. Don't know where I am going with this.
As for the Drones I am more interested in what, without obvious means, is keeping them up and propelling them and where this means originated, ET or US scientists?
Then there is the obvious question, due to their invisibilty
are they everywhere?Talk about Big Brother!
At Thanksgiving time in 2002 I was raking leaves in Canaan CT. when a neighbor drove past and beeped his horn. There is a small field in front of the house about 300 feet wide covered in tall rye grass. When my neighbor beeped his horn a disc about 3 to 4 feet in diameter and about 18in thick at the center came up from the field flew over the top of his car and disappeared. I am not lying this is truth. Now I had walked over that field with my dog an hour or so before this and the dog gave no indication of anything unusual. I have never asked the neighbor to repeat that horn beeping ( Suburu car) exercise again.
But the point I am making here is what if these invisible things were weapons? Are there millions or billions around waiting for a signal ( not a horn beep) to attack?
It was obvious to me at the time that the beep omitted a signal that was the same wave length or some such to activate that disc. BTW if any of you saw the film about Russian UFOS that Roger Moore narrated the downed disc shown there looked as mine did, similiar markings and color.
I am a old guy and have been interested in UFOS since 1963 when one night standing in a friends driveway( he a former airforce pilot, and at that time a United airlines pilot) I looked up and saw a light streaking across the sky Jim saw it too. I asked him what it was and he replied UFO he talked about them and that got me started. I joined the fledging NICAP receive their 4 page mimeographed quarterly newsletter and I have been studying UFOs ever since.
At some future time I will tell about the silver birds I thought I was seeing that were actually silver discs. in Canaan Ct also ( vacation home) 15 years ago.
Keep looking Up!

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by travelboarder on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:41am

obie.....yes it could be possible that there could be some incredible number of these drones everywhere waiting for a signal to blow us up or something. At the same time, they could be mobile projectors of sorts that will be everywhere and anywhere when the ET's decide to reveal themselves to us beyond a doubt....like, something the government could never cover up. Nobody knows, but either guess is just as good as the other I suppose.

I agree with ATO and most everyone on here that this is too big of a thing to not be a hoax anymore. some parts, maybe, but there is too much coming up for this to all be fabricated.

Now, I'm gonna try not to post again until there is some more new stuff up.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:42am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:19am, LangLee wrote:
Speaking of floor I've been studying the photo of the parts of the craft. Can anyone gauge just how large those slabs of concrete ( I believe) would be that they are laying on ?


We have a better measurement someone is working on right now that has to do with the tire tread width on the ground.

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Since the very first time I saw this it's killing me because it's so familiar. I mean I'll sit, relax and think about it, I get so close to bringing it forward, then it slips from my grasp. Frustrating to say the least.


Me too. I said the same thing in the other drone thread back in May and it's still driving me nuts.

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I am one very much in control of myself ( motorcycle drag racer, 207 MPH in the quarter mile), but I know these pieces from somewhere, and I just can't grab the memory.


Kewlness

I'm an ex motorcycle racer too. Off-road though. Desert, motocross and TT from 1970 to 1989. Owned a rice burner of some kind since 1981. I'm into sport bikes. I had two motorcycle accessory stores in Southern California from 1980 until 1995. Off-road and street both. Besides my companies, I worked at Yamaha Motors, Cycle News and various motorcycle accessory distributing companies. I was in the motorcycle industry for 26 years in some fashion since it was my life.

After that I gave my life to the Orange County Probation Department working in a gang violence suppression unit. Fun stuff but ugly. I'm retired now.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:51am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:19am, LangLee wrote:
This came in on Thursday I think. One gentleman said he saw the Birmingham Drone on the floor of a hanger at Carswell AFB.


I only see this one in there that we posted a few days ago. Without a picture it's difficult. I don't see a Carswell AFB.

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5:45 AM, Montgomery, Alabama,
near Maxwell AFB

With this concept of an extraterrestrial technology that can neutralize gravity and project holographic-like 3-dimensional images that can record data for whatever unknown reason, here is what happened this week on Monday, June 25th, 2007, 6 miles from Maxwell AFB and its Gunter AFB Annex in Montgomery, Alabama. The eyewitness is a long-time technical specialist in security, educated about infrared frequency technologies and normal human aviation. Because his work is highly sensitive, he has asked that I not use his actual name. So, I will call him Ted Connors.

Ted said that the local Montgomery news media announced last week there would be joint Army/Air Force exercises at Maxwell AFB with lots of planes and helicopters, beginning on Sunday, June 24th, around 8 PM. Ted said the noise was terrible and unrelenting through Monday night, June 25, while he was on duty in his security work that involves 32 infrared cameras.
Earthfiles



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:57am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:20am, obie wrote:
Jesse Marcel of the Roswell incident talks about symbols that he saw on the parts of the UFO that were picked up. Same kind as those on the drones? If the symbols are both the software and hardware that gets things going then perhaps every functional piece of material in the say saucers have these symbols.

They’re quite different but Jesse Marcel Junior is drawing the symbols from a very distant memory.

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Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr's drawings of a metallic "I-beam" with symbols on it that he viewed at the Marcel home.

And below is the symbols cropped and placed on top of each other for easier viewing/comparison.
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Post by LangLee on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:03am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:51am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I only see this one in there that we posted a few days ago. Without a picture it's difficult. I don't see a Carswell AFB.




Maxwell, oops sorry, I knew it was a "well" of some sort.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:06am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:41am, travelboarder wrote:
obie.....yes it could be possible that there could be some incredible number of these drones everywhere waiting for a signal to blow us up or something.


Ok travelboarder, you haven't been in here long enough to go paranoid on us. That usually doesn't happen until about the 6th month. lol

You sound like the Area 51 employee who called Art Bell. grin grin

This is not meant to go off-topic. Just posting for fun.
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/1028/Area_51_Employee_on_Art_Bell_Radio___Scary/?vpkey=

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:30am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 09:42am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
We have a better measurement someone is working on right now that has to do with the tire tread width


I too noticed the streaks on the ground but they really don't look like tire tracks.
If they are the Capitola Craft's size , given the parts used (14a), seems to gauge correctly with the pole.
With that said then the Big Basin Craft is assembled using all the parts shown, and is considerably larger than the Capitola version, total size, yes of course, but the center section is different, using part 16.
That's makes it "Modular, make different units using a combination of parts that are interchangable.
Right there that says Alien influenced.......our Government is hardly about saving a buck like that. j/k lol
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Student on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:36am

I'm new here, but have been reading all the posts in this thread with great interest. Like most on this forum, I believe THEY have been here for a long time. The evidence is overwhelming and becoming more so every day. The Isaac/Drone material is just one more - albeit a major one - indication that something very important is happening in our world.

I think MarkM spoke for many of us when he said:

I agree, something huge is coming. I'll share something here: from as far back as I can remember I have known one thing with absolute certainty - that there would come a time in my life when something would happen that would change the world forever. I, and many, many others have a part to play in this event. I have no fear of it, it's neither good nor bad, just necessary - and major. Whatever "this" is, my sense is that it's very close. I wish I had more answers, but I don't. Yet, I have a deep confidence that when the time is right, I will.

How many of us have this Knowing? I do.

The feeling many of us have regarding our purpose in this life is directly related to the times in which we live.

The big question, the obvious direction for inquiry, the elephant in the room - why are THEY here? At this time in our history, on our world, surreptitiously... I have my own thoughts, but would like to know what others think, especially as it appears that major pieces of the puzzle are starting to be revealed. (Thank you Isaac.)
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:37am

We don't know the purpose of the drones. I think that this might be one reason why we're focused so intently on translating the text. Perhaps it will offer us a clue as to their purpose, military of benign. Something to keep in mind, though, is that Isaac states that the symbols are more commands and executions than they are a language. They may not - just by nature of there purpose - be translatable into anything coherent (in terms of human communication).

An odd compulsion that I had when the photos of the parts were on my screen, was to touch the symbols. Last night I was thinking about how the function of these symbols might be initiated. Someone jokingly mentioned an on / off switch early on. Sounds funny in light of this technology, but it brings up a good question. Something must trigger the command sequence. As I reached out to my night stand to turn off my touch lamp, it brought to mind all of the new touch screen technology developed by we humans in recent years. Just look at that new iPhone!

In many studies of alien abductions, witnesses speak of panels that the ET touches, consoles with no visible buttons or switches. Symbols that glow light pink or purple. I vaguely remember something about this in the Roswell info as well. Might this symbol dependent technology be an interface between the "hardware" and the user? Living beings generate an electro magnet field. Thoughts are electrical impulses. Is it possible that "intent" is the trigger that initiates the required sequence that then results in a very specific action (by the hardware)? In this situation, the symbols become the receiver, the transmitter being the pilot.

My thinking is that the "componant" that makes this technology functional is the living organism that interacts with it. These symbols and the way in which they interact with whatever compound they're embedded in, are very much like our own neural pathways. You need a triggering source, and a control mechanism capable of making changes based on circumstance. At some point, you need an intelligence, mechanical or organic, outside of the device to complete the schematic.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:39am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:06am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Ok travelboarder, you haven't been in here long enough to go paranoid on us. That usually doesn't happen until about the 6th month. lol

You sound like the Area 51 employee who called Art Bell. grin grin

This is not meant to go off-topic. Just posting for fun.
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/1028/Area_51_Employee_on_Art_Bell_Radio___Scary/?vpkey=

.


Fun ?
I don't know what to say about that one.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:46am

Welcome, Student! Instinct tells me that you're more of a teacher than a student smiley.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:47am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:37am, MarkM wrote:
An odd compulsion that I had when the photos of the parts were on my screen, was to touch the symbols. Last night I was thinking about how the function of these symbols might be initiated


I thought the on/off switch was part of the blacked out text, the report says that this is the only way of controlling it.

Incidentally in a second email to LMH Isaac states that it was CARET who blacked it out which is strange considering these people were trying to understand it.

Surely withholding information as fundamental as how to control/operate it is tantamount to sabotage?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by travelboarder on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:52am

ATO.....I'm not goin paranoid. I'm just saying there could be any number of possibile explanations out there....it was a reponse to someones post.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by DrDil on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:56am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:52am, travelboarder wrote:
ATO.....I'm not goin paranoid. I'm just saying there could be any number of possibile explanations out there....it was a reponse to someones post.

I believe ATO was joking!! Hence the lol, two laughing faces and mention of fun. I know UFOlogy and fun are rarely mentioned in the same sentence yet alone the same forum.
Perhaps one of the reasons why this forum is so unique and why you (and I) post here?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:01am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:47am, DrDil wrote:
I thought the on/off switch was part of the blacked out text, the report says that this is the only way of controlling it.


Excellent point, DrDil. Isaac also says that they were very reluctant to use the term ET when discussing the project. If the on / off switch was an ET, that might explain it. In addition, a living ET was the one component they (supposedly) couldn't provide the team with. It might have been very discouraging to know that you were missing a critical part! My point being that the military might have hoped that the think tank could think a way around that detail. All speculation of course.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:03am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:01am, MarkM wrote:
Excellent point, DrDil. Isaac also says that they were very reluctant to use the term ET when discussing the project. If the on / off switch was an ET, that might explain it. In addition, a living ET was the one component they (supposedly) couldn't provide the team with. It might have been very discouraging to know that you were missing a critical part! My point being that the military might have hoped that the think tank could think a way around that detail. All speculation of course.


Hmm, I'd never considered the missing component may be an E.B.E.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:24am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:03am, DrDil wrote:
Hmm, I'd never considered the missing component may be an E.B.E.


That idea has been touched on in my favorite Sci-Fi program, and it would be the next logical progression in controlling a vehicle or your technology for that matter.
To become one with your vehicle would be akin to controlling your own body given the proper training. Headsets are now in development I believe and have been for sometime now for use in helping the handicapped, and of course military applications.
The show is Star Gate SG-1, good stuff on that show.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:28am

on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:52am, travelboarder wrote:
ATO.....I'm not goin paranoid. I'm just saying there could be any number of possibile explanations out there....it was a reponse to someones post.


LOL, I was teasing you, I knew that. Do you really think I would say such a thing to someone and mean it. Yikes! I would kick me out of here.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by psymark on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:41am

Hi all, ive been following this forum for a while now and have noticed several references to the symbols on the craft being similar to some crop circle patterns.I just wondered if any one has seen the crop circle ship video on google video as i think it is relevant to the diagram supplied with the pictures of the drone components.Its called the crop circle ship and is about anti gravity!.
Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:43am

The obvious mystery component is the missing S1, but another element is eluded to as well. In reading back over the document, even S1 has limitations:

PAGE 7, under section 2, component mode -

"S1 does not appear capable of controlling this mode beyond activating and deactivating."

Jumping way outside the box for just a second, and realizing that I may lose some folks here smiley ....

It's well established through decades of abduction research that ET's communicate telepathically. Telepathy and telekinesis (moving objects through focused thought) seems to be a natural part of their function, just as oral speech is to us. We also know that living things generate an electrical current. Although subject to some debate, such a relatively simple life form as a plant has been demonstrated (under laboratory conditions) to respond to human emotion, music (sound waves), etc. If humans could somehow take the energy in a thought (the energy that stimulates the brain to respond) and project it externally, what might the result be? Imagine then a device capable of amplifying - or reinterpreting - that signal. Such a device could direct that energy, but, without data input from an intelligent source (pilot / programmer) it might achieve nothing more than a pleasant hum.

OK, I'll stop now smiley.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by HUBCAP9 on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:49am

With regard to the interface between pilot and craft, I am reminded of a couple of events which happened to a friend of mine in Australia.
When he was a very young boy, he was taken aboard a craft where along with a group of other youngsters he was tested by the ETs with a view to assessing his mental abilities.This test was done using orange coloured spheres about the size of tennis balls.The test was to see if any of the youngsters could move these spheres with the power of their minds.My friend was the most successful amongst the children, and when the ETs saw this they gathered round him.My friend feels that they enhanced his natural abilities and he found he was able to send the orange spheres flying through the air at will.
A few years later he was taken again aboard a craft.He was still a boy.He was telepathically instructed to sit between two ETs in what was effectively the driving seat of the craft.He was told to place his hands into two moulded hand shapes in front of him. He noticed that the moulds were for a person with six fingers and he enquired whether or not it would work as he only had five .They reassured him that it would be ok and told him just to think where he wanted to go.He thought he would like to go to a nearby mountain and no sooner did he have the thought than the craft responded by taking him there. He even flew the craft under the ocean which was close to his home.
My friend feels that the ETs do not really require the moulded hand controls to fly the craft.He feels that they are able to interface directly between the craft and their own minds.
I wonder if there is any connection between these events and the operation of the drone technology?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by inex on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:10pm

Hi

I hope that I am completely wrong here, but I might have some bad news for you guys.

Here is, what might come across as a bit of a question, from a newcomer to these discussion boards concerning the strange craft sightings:

Which came first, Chad, Isaac and the other witnesses to this UFO or Halo 3, the third game in the best-selling Xbox game franchise Halo?

I ask this because I have just read that the photos that we may have all been wasting so much time on, (fascinating though the debate and detectiive work was anyway), are simply viral advertising by Bungie Studios .

Go to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ2uHcwSBc0
and see for yourself that they are using images of the craft....unless of course, they have recently 'lifted' them for their own purposes.

Can anyone more experienced than myself on this topic, explain this matter to me?

Sorry if this sounds a bit naive, and also sorry if I am way off the mark here... but as I said, I am a newcomer.
Thanks huh
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Post by MarkM on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:18pm

It looks like something done after the fact, not a slick edit job as one might expect from a game company. We'd need to know who, what, when and where to make a real determination. Copycats and coat tail riding are not uncommon. Do we know the source? All one needs do is read this forum to get lots of story line ideas.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WT on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:23pm

Once again: the driving manual. Did Isaac mention how they got these graphics? Why should ETs have a driving manual in their vehicles? Isaac wrote that it was drawn on a special plate of special material or something but why should that be so?

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:25pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:10pm, inex wrote:
Hi

I hope that I am completely wrong here, but I might have some bad news for you guys.

Here is, what might come across as a bit of a dumb-ass question, from a newcomer to these discussion boards concerning the strange craft sightings:

Which came first, Chad, Isaac and the other witnesses to this UFO or Halo 3, the third game in the best-selling Xbox game franchise Halo?

I ask this because I have just read that the photos that we may have all been wasting so much time on, (fascinating though the debate and detectiive work was anyway), are simply viral advertising by Bungie Studios .

Go to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ2uHcwSBc0
and see for yourself that they are using images of the craft....unless of course, they have recently 'lifted' them for their own purposes.

Can anyone more experienced than myself on this topic, explain this matter to me?

Sorry if this sounds a bit naive, and also sorry if I am way off the mark here... but as I said, I am a newcomer.
Thanks huh


There is no connection between Halo 3 or Transformers. The Halo 3 deal is they are just riding the wave of interest in this craft.
As far as Transformers goes here's my take.....
Look at Spielbergs track record, Close Encounters, Taken..... I hardly think he needs to use something like this to generate interest in his film. Close Encounters was done with great reverence to the subjet as was Taken, that sort of thing would seem beneath him since he studies the subject of UFOs with great interest.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:30pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 07:53am, WT wrote:
The more I'm looking at this great drawings the more I think I've seen some kind of them somewhere. There are so many Sci-Fi movies out there that I just can't remember. StarTrek, StarGate, Predator, Mission to Mars, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Contact, ........


I hate these kind of posts. If you find a smoking gun by all means let us know. Until then musings like this serve only to show your bias.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by girunit1138 on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:30pm

Look, this is a very convincing hoax, if it weren't for the fact that all of the "alien" tech is rendered in a 3d program. I'm a 3d computer animation guy and it is painfully clear that these are very impressive very well made fakes. That includes the ships in all of the related sightings, and the pseudo-professional documents. I wanted to believe this so badly, but these glaring examples of undeniably human art are too obvious. Sorry guys this one's a dud
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:30pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:49am, HUBCAP9 wrote:
With regard to the interface between pilot and craft, I am reminded of a couple of events which happened to a friend of mine in Australia. When he was a very young boy, he was taken aboard a craft where along with a group of other youngsters he was tested by the ETs with a view to assessing his mental abilities.This test was done using orange coloured spheres about the size of tennis balls.The test was to see if any of the youngsters could move these spheres with the power of their minds.


HUBCAP, your post prompts me to share a personal incident.

When I was 5 years old I saw a UFO in rural New Jersey. My father, a scientist, was driving the car. This encounter was followed by a period of missing time and was the start of some extraordinary events in my life. There's a lot to this story, but what's relevant here (and on topic), was an episode of telekinesis that I had several days later.

I was sitting at the kitchen table coloring, my mother was busy working at her sewing machine. She looked up at the clock, and, realizing the time, mentioned that my father would be home soon for dinner and that I would need to move my things off the table. I looked over at my hat, scarf, and gloves thinking that I'd put them on the chair - and they moved from the table to the chair. To this day, decades later, that memory is one of the most vivid of my childhood. I tried many times to concentrate on moving things off and on for months afterwards - a pencil, anything, but with no success. I finally gave up. But I knew that I should be able to do that if only I could remember how. Of course, I had no idea about telekinesis, UFO's or anything at the time.

There's just so much that we don't know, or don't remember.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by AgentM on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:34pm

I wonder at what point will the main stream press pick this up?
Who ever it is really must present the entire work.
I can only imagine the clandestine discussion that must be happening all over the country, probably at many levels.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:43pm

I would love to know how many new members register, post a "definitive" answer post - with absolutely nothing to back it up short of their own opinion (and we all have one) - and then disappear. ATO, any idea?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by meller on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:50pm

I have no doubt in my mind that most of the blacked out text was details regarding something that could activate/deactivate the antigrav mechanism mentioned, thus potentially disarming any in-use craft.

This device, I believe to be S1, termed "... a small, *****, device capable of controlling A1 by activating and deactivating it." Details on such a device could be DEVASTATING if our government has thousands of devices such as these deployed around the country/world. Imagine these things dropping out of the sky everywhere. What kind of impact would that have on civilians (panic), would surely hamper any commercial endeavors for the technology.

Another thing to consider is the intended location of operation. It is my belief that these drones are specifically designed to patrol certain areas and are in no way capable of space travel or long-range transportation. Following this logic, the crafts would need to either be assembled on earth or brought in larger crafts, which could be the more traditional disk-shaped UFO that we are ever so familiar with.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by WT on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:54pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:30pm, Latitude wrote:
I hate these kind of posts. If you find a smoking gun by all means let us know. Until then musings like this serve only to show your bias.


Sorry, but I just wanted to talk about my thoughts. I thought every spark in this puzzle could be helpfull. Therefore I would recommend everybody in here to take one of that Sci-Fi movies and watch it, so I won't need several month to watch them all myself.

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jul 1st, 2007, 1:03pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:30pm, girunit1138 wrote:
Look, this is a very convincing hoax, if it weren't for the fact that all of the "alien" tech is rendered in a 3d program. I'm a 3d computer animation guy and it is painfully clear that these are very impressive very well made fakes. That includes the ships in all of the related sightings, and the pseudo-professional documents. I wanted to believe this so badly, but these glaring examples of undeniably human art are too obvious. Sorry guys this one's a dud


Your opinion is purely based on the pictures or so you stated. There is so much more to this, audio interviews from witness from 2005, 1985 Louisiana sitting in a hanger, Alabama pic of the same one, documents, ect.
I've been on this since May and there is no way I could say that.......I'd be insulting myself.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jul 1st, 2007, 1:06pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:30pm, girunit1138 wrote:
Look, this is a very convincing hoax, if it weren't for the fact that all of the "alien" tech is rendered in a 3d program. I'm a 3d computer animation guy and it is painfully clear that these are very impressive very well made fakes. That includes the ships in all of the related sightings, and the pseudo-professional documents. I wanted to believe this so badly, but these glaring examples of undeniably human art are too obvious. Sorry guys this one's a dud


Many cgi experts have weighed in with there opinions of the evidence. Some say real, some say fake. The ones saying fake have never produced proof and you are no different. ATS's head mod Springer even brought in a cgi expert from Industrial Light and Magic who claimed the objects to be cgi. He then went on to "prove it" by making his own cgi drone (that would not prove it any way). Unfortunately his creation was so far inferior to the real Chad and Raj photos he was immediately laughed off the forum.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 1st, 2007, 1:10pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:34pm, AgentM wrote:
I wonder at what point will the main stream press pick this up?
Who ever it is really must present the entire work.
I can only imagine the clandestine discussion that must be happening all over the country, probably at many levels.



I am amazed at the casual, accepting way several friends of mine talk about the reality of this phenomenon. One, retired CIA; another, ARMY Intelligence, and the third, retired navy pilot, treat it as an open secret. Yes, of course there are these craft - they treat it as a given!!
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by MarkM on Jul 1st, 2007, 1:25pm

When the dust settles and we all look back on this day... be they fact or fiction, this event may prove to be less about these drones than it is about these times. Every major historical turning point has it's catalyst. Dare we hope?
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jul 1st, 2007, 1:47pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 1:25pm, MarkM wrote:
When the dust settles and we all look back on this day... be they fact or fiction, this event may prove to be less about these drones than it is about these times. Every major historical turning point has it's catalyst. Dare we hope?


MarkM, I dare hope, from what I've seen it's been building in earnest for the last 10 years or so.
In replying to another post about new services, I did something else.
I sent 2 links to DHS, one in May, another after Capitola in June. The 1st reply was thank you, it has been forwarded to the proper dept. and will be looked into, the second.........no reply.
If you don't what me to come back here I won't.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Student on Jul 1st, 2007, 1:58pm

Isaac said:

…this invisibility can also be disrupted by other technology… I know this has happened before...due to the activity of a kind of disrupting technology being set off elsewhere, but nearby.

I've had some direct contact with this device, or at least a device capable of the same thing…I am personally aware of at least one other incident in which this kind of technology was accidentally set off, resulting in the sudden visibility of normally invisible things.

Much like the technology in these crafts themselves, the device capable of remotely hijacking a vehicle's clacking (sic) comes from a non-human source too. Why we were given this technology has never been clear to me.


Has anyone given any thought as to what type of anti-cloaking device Isaac might be referring to? He says it comes from them as well, and he has had direct contact with it. He also says we were given this technology. That tends to eliminate speculation about power lines and infrared equipment, does it not? From a tactical perspective, these devices would be a very good thing to have. When you don’t know who is intervening in your world, you don’t know why they are here, and you don’t know where they are, it would be quite valuable to be able to put on the magic glasses or point the magic wand and see them. Makes you wonder why it was given to us. And if so, was it from a different faction or race? Isaac only says it came from a “non-human source.”

Earth is probably a prize – could be lots of competition out there…

Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:03pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:10pm, inex wrote:
Which came first, Chad, Isaac and the other witnesses to this UFO or Halo 3, the third game in the best-selling Xbox game franchise Halo?


There is no association with HALO, Transformer or Bungie. All viral marketing campaign posts should be posted at the following address.

This thread is a continuation of the Chad/Capitola/Big Basin/Tahoe/Birmingham thread and such things have been dismissed.

Lastly, we have no profanity rules in our rules. You can't even call yourself a name.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182283823


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:05pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 1:47pm, LangLee wrote:
MarkM, I dare hope, from what I've seen it's been building in earnest for the last 10 years or so.
In replying to another post about new services, I did something else.
I sent 2 links to DHS, one in May, another after Capitola in June. The 1st reply was thank you, it has been forwarded to the proper dept. and will be looked into, the second.........no reply.
If you don't what me to come back here I won't.


LangLee, clarification on your last sentence. I think this a case of misunderstanding a message. I'm confused but need clarification.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:17pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 1:58pm, Student wrote:
Has anyone given any thought as to what type of anti-cloaking device Isaac might be referring to? He says it comes from them as well, and he has had direct contact with it. He also says we were given this technology. That tends to eliminate speculation about power lines and infrared equipment, does it not? From a tactical perspective, these devices would be a very good thing to have. When you don’t know who is intervening in your world, you don’t know why they are here, and you don’t know where they are, it would be quite valuable to be able to put on the magic glasses or point the magic wand and see them. Makes you wonder why it was given to us. And if so, was it from a different faction or race? Isaac only says it came from a “non-human source.”

Earth is probably a prize – could be lots of competition out there…


Isaac also said:
Quote:
One thing I can definitely say is that if they wanted us gone, we would have been gone a very, very long time ago, and we wouldn't even have seen it coming. Throw out your ideas about a space war or anything silly like that. We'd be capable of fighting back against them about as much as ants could fight back against a stampede of buffalo. But that's OK. We're the primitive race, they're the advanced races, and that's just the way it is. The other advanced races let them live through their primitive years back in their day, and there's no reason to think it will be any different for us. They aren't in the market for a new planet, and even if they were, there are way too many planets out there for them to care about ours enough to take it by force.


Isaac states the decloaking technology to be harmful and has even caused a crash. What purpose would it serve other than to cause panic? The big question is why another ET faction would give us the decloaking technology. Maybe that too was accidental.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by LangLee on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:19pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:05pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
LangLee, clarification on your last sentence. I think this a case of misunderstanding a message. I'm confused but need clarification.



Sorry, it was a joke..........like they may be watching me for sending them links.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:25pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:36am, Student wrote:
.


I think MarkM spoke for many of us when he said:

Quote:
I, and many, many others have a part to play in this event. I have no fear of it, it's neither good nor bad, just necessary - and major.


I totally agree, well put.


Quote:
How many of us have this Knowing? I do.


I DO, I DO!!!


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:27pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:19pm, LangLee wrote:
Sorry, it was a joke..........like they may be watching me for sending them links.


Gotcha ok, to me it looked like you thought Mark wanted you out of here. ROFLMBO

Marky's too sweet for that. Figured it was something else.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:30pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:34pm, AgentM wrote:
I wonder at what point will the main stream press pick this up?
Who ever it is really must present the entire work.
I can only imagine the clandestine discussion that must be happening all over the country, probably at many levels.


They don't have anything to pick up unless you give it to them so read my post on page 56 and give it to them or I'll give it to you. he, he grin



Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:33pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:43pm, MarkM wrote:
I would love to know how many new members register, post a "definitive" answer post -with absolutely nothing to back it up short of their own opinion (and we all have one) - and then disappear. ATO, any idea?


That's easy, the number is equal to the same amount of members that haven't read both threads in their entirety. Wow, I'm smart.


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:43pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:50pm, meller wrote:
This device, I believe to be S1, termed "... a small, *****, device capable of controlling A1 by activating and deactivating it."


So, the government did re-engineer the darn thing before Isaac got there. They didn't sell it retail and put it in the flow of commerce like he thought. That's probably about the time we got our remote controlled politicians. ** joking **

Actually Nikola Tesla invented the first remote contol, which was called Apparatus for Controlling Mechanism of Moving Vehicle or Vehicles

That guy had to be put in place in this world for all that he did. I would safely have to say that ET was in or around his home near his birth, which is coming up in 9 days but in 1856.

ET had to speed our technology up in order to get us where they wanted us for - what Mark said earlier.


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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by travelboarder on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:46pm

gosh, I can't get over how carismatic(sp?) MarkM is. He speaks so passionate about this topic.

With regards to the hoax issue.....these days, ANYTHING can be made in cg. I mean anything. These could be a hoax, could not be. Only way we will find out is if we keep investigating and get the word out....lets not make any definitive decisions until we have a straight foward answer.

Anyways, about this decloaking device. I think that maybe the U.S. government is trying to get a hold of whatever ET tech they can, and not really taking into consideration what said technologies might do to other ET techs. Lets say this decloaking device emits a field similar to that of Issac's generator. Once Issac's generator comes within range of the decloaking device, the two fields cancel each other out, causing the generator to fail/turn off. Issac said this generator is what enables the anit-gravitational field and allows for the cloaking if I'm not mistaken. If the cloaking is disabled, then so would the anti-gravity field, causing said drones/ships to crash. Maybe that's what he was getting at.

Now, I'm gonna mozee on over to some media sites to do my best at snagging some attention. We need to get this out there for everyone who is NOT US to ask the same questions. If other people see it in the news, and they had seen these drones before, they might come foward and report their sightings etc. May the will of the few inspire the will of the many.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 2:59pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:37am, MarkM wrote:
In many studies of alien abductions, witnesses speak of panels that the ET touches, [i]consoles with no visible buttons or switches. Symbols that glow light pink or purple.


I know pink is what's called a "light gathering color" and to look through it defines an object with greater clarity. If you put glasses on with pink lenses, and look across a 4-lane street you can see the edge of the top of a curb. Without the pink you see just the face of the curb.

Not sure about purple though. Such a pink light in the vicinity of the body may do the same thing as it ever so slightly disperses itself into the room.

The other thing about pink is that the majority can not wear it because it makes them dizzy, dingy and then nauseous. The aliens have a reason for everything they do, I'm sure of that and that light was made pink for a very important reason even though it was a little button.

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My thinking is that the "componant" that makes this technology functional is the living organism that interacts with it. These symbols and the way in which they interact with whatever compound they're embedded in, are very much like our own neural pathways. You need a triggering source, and a control mechanism capable of making changes based on circumstance. At some point, you need an intelligence, mechanical or organic, outside of the device to complete the schematic.


I thoroughly agree here in regard to their spacecraft. Those things don't budge and never would without a living alien inside of it - no matter what technology we think we have.

I wonder how many years away we are in figuring out the technology Isaac spoke of. 50 years, 100 years, tomorrow - whatcha think?


Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by Latitude on Jul 1st, 2007, 3:08pm

Isaac/Drone case media blitz. Good timing? Or bad timing?

http://www.roswellufofestival.com/

How would this coincidental event affect it's reception?

Edit to add:
You want viral marketing? This would be it. At least that's what everybody would think.
Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by oljack666 on Jul 1st, 2007, 3:14pm

on Jul 1st, 2007, 3:08pm, Latitude wrote:
Isaac/Drone case media blitz. Good timing? Or bad timing?

http://www.roswellufofestival.com/

How would this coincidental event affect it's reception?


Any ink is good ink. It'll interfer with the Isaac thing but just the same it's good ink.

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Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
Post by RoH on Jul 1st, 2007, 3:19pm

A working Turing machine?

Looking for answer to Isaac's diagrams on Wikipedia: Part 1.

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Irreducible complexity
Isaac wrote:
The language is actually a "functional blueprint". The forms of the shapes, symbols and arrangements thereof is itself functional. What makes it all especially difficult to grasp is that every element of each "diagram" is dependant on and related to every other element, which means no single detail can be created, removed or modified independently

Wikipedia:
The term "irreducible complexity" was originally defined by Behe as:
A single system which is composed of several interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, and where the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning". (Darwin's Black Box p9)

Intelligent design advocate William Dembski gives this definition:
A system performing a given basic function is irreducibly complex if it includes a set of well-matched, mutually interacting, nonarbitrarily individuated parts such that each part in the set is indispensable to maintaining the system's basic, and therefore original, function. The set of these indispensable parts is known as the irreducible core of the system. (No Free Lunch, 285)

Isaac:
However, their "language" is entirely context-sensitive, which means that a given symbol could mean as little as a 1-bit flag in one context, or, quite literally, contain the entire human genome or a galaxy star map in another. The ability for a single, small symbol to contain, not just represent, tremendous amounts of data is another counter-intuitive aspect of this concept

Wikipedia:
A context-sensitive language is a formal language that can be defined by a context-sensitive grammar

Isaac:
Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate.
- each "computational element" (essentially individual particles) can function independently, but are designed to function together in tremendously large clusters. I say its holographic because you can divide it up into the smallest chunks you want and still find a scaled-down but complete representation of the whole system. They produce a nonlinear computational output when grouped.

Wikipedia:
Computational properties
Computationally the context-sensitive languages are equivalent with linear bounded non-deterministic Turing machines. That is a non-deterministic Turing machine with a tape of only kn cells, where n is the size of the input and k is a constant associated with the machine. This means that every formal language that can be decided by such a machine is a context-sensitive language, and every context-sensitive language can be decided by such a machine.

Isaac:
Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state.

Wikipedia:
Chomsky hierarchy

A formal grammar consists of:
a finite set of terminal symbols;
a finite set of nonterminal symbols;
a finite set of production rules with a left- and a right-hand side consisting of a sequence of these symbols
a start symbol.

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Isaac:
Now imagine trying to add the billionth word to the list (imagine also that we're working with an infinite alphabet so you don't run out of letters) and you can imagine how difficult it is for even a computer to keep up. Needless to say, writing this kind of thing "by hand" is orders of magnitude beyond the capabilities of the brain.

Wikipedia:
A formal grammar defines (or generates) a formal language, which is a (possibly infinite) set of sequences of symbols that may be constructed by applying production rules to a sequence of symbols which initially contains just the start symbol. A rule may be applied to a sequence of symbols by replacing an occurrence of the symbols on the left-hand side of the rule with those that appear on the right-hand side. A sequence of rule applications is called a derivation. Such a grammar defines the formal language of all words consisting solely of terminal symbols that can be reached by a derivation from the start symbol.

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Turing machines are extremely basic abstract symbol-manipulating devices which, despite their simplicity, can be adapted to simulate the logic of any computer that could possibly be constructed. They were described in 1936 by Alan Turing.

[Stone (1972):"The evidence seems to indicate that every algorithm for any computing device has an equivalent Turing machine algorithm ... if [Church's thesis] is true, it is certainly remarkable that Turing machines, with their extremely primitive operations, are capable of performing any computation that any other device can perform, regardless of how complex a device we choose." (p. 13)

Isaac:
My background lent itself well to this kind of work though. I'd spent years writing code and designing both analog and digital circuits, a process that at least visually resembled these diagrams in some way. I also had a personal affinity for combinatorics.

Wikipedia:
Combinatorics is a branch of pure mathematics concerning the study of discrete (and usually finite) objects. It is related to many other areas of mathematics, such as algebra, probability theory, ergodic theory and geometry, as well as to applied subjects such as computer science and statistical physics. Aspects of combinatorics include "counting" the objects satisfying certain criteria (enumerative combinatorics), deciding when the criteria can be met, and constructing and analyzing objects meeting the criteria (as in combinatorial designs and matroid theory), finding "largest", "smallest", or "optimal" objects (extremal combinatorics and combinatorial optimization), and finding algebraic structures these objects may have (algebraic combinatorics).
Combinatorics is as much about problem solving as theory building, though it has developed powerful theoretical methods, especially since the later twentieth century (see the page List of combinatorics topics for details of the more recent development of the subject). One of the oldest and most accessible parts of combinatorics is graph theory, which also has numerous natural connections to other areas.
A trivial example of a combinatorial question is the following: What is the number of possible orderings of a deck of 52 distinct playing cards? The answer is 52! (fifty-two factorial), which is equal to about 8.0658 × 1067.
Another example of a more difficult problem: Given a certain number n of people, is it possible to assign them to sets so that each person is in at least one set, each pair of people is in exactly one set together, every two sets have exactly one person in common, and no set contains everyone, all but one person, or exactly one person? The answer depends on n. (Search "Design theory".)

Isaac:
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