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#3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH
Post by oljack666 on Jul 16th, 2007, 5:33pm


THE DRONE ENIGMA:
A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH


As of this date, none of us have yet stated that Isaac's artifacts, linguistic primers and reports or the previous drones are for real and not a hoax. Due to the great amount of evidence and research, thus discovery, both the Isaac artifacts and the drones still point in each direction. Because of this, we have not ceased looking into all of the many possibilities that are left to discover since the bulk of the evidence we do have is pointing in the direction of reality and a greater possibility that it is not a hoax. Then again, we also do not know yet if this is something alien that has been acquired and re-engineered by our own kind. About the only thing we can say for certain, is that at this point we still do not know one way or the other.

Ever since May 5th, which was when our first drone report came out of Tahoe, we've continued to sway back and forth (percentage wise) on the possibility of a hoax or not. This back and forth motion was due to an increase or decrease of evidence of a positive nature and then an increase or decrease of evidence of a negative nature.

May 5, 2007 – Lake Tahoe area (2-camera phone pix)
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Please understand that when I use percentages below, that they are nothing more then hypothetical guestimations based on the air of the posts on a given day. Even though they are fictional, you’ll get my point.

At first and for some of us, it appeared 60% real and 40% hoax. Over time and after spending many hours conversing over the idiosyncrasies of camera phone photography, the fact that it was a camera phone or not, etc., the next day those percentages possibly increased to 70% real and 30% hoax based on the evidence presented by the multitudes of forum members. On that same day, in walks Chad. Nine days after that, in walks Rajman in Capitola and two weeks later we had two more separate accounts coming out of Big Basin.

Since May 5th to date, we now have a total of seven drone reports, which were accompanied with pictures from six different locations in the U.S. Most all drone accounts were witnessed by more than one individual at the time of the sighting and those with pictures are as follows.

Lake Tahoe - May 5, 2007 - by anonymous husband and wife
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftlaketahoe.html
Bakersfield California – May 6, 2007, by Chad and multiple witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftphotos.html
Capitola - May 15, 2007 - by Rajman and other witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html
Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Ty and other witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment
Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Stephen and other witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html
Unknown location - June 29, 2007 - by Anonymous
http://www.ufocasebook.com/anonymousstrangecraft.html
Birmingham Alabama - May 2006 - John Smith
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1253&category=Environment

During this same timeframe from May 5th to June 29th, another seven reports on other drone activity came in, which were not accompanied by pictures. According to said witnesses, it wasn't until after they saw what was taking place on the Internet in the various UFO websites did they recognize similarities of the same strange craft that they had also previously encountered.

On the very day that we all had the opportunity to listen to two of those accounts in particular, via an Earthfiles Podcast, our 70% real 30% hoax went up the charts to something like 85% real and 15% hoax. The Podcast interviews were both impressive and lengthy and we heard nobody calling foul in regard to lies. In respect to your thoughts of, how can we know these two individuals are telling the truth or telling a lie, listen to the Podcasts. By doing so, you'll recognize that these two witnesses were not given a brief interview, which would have allowed them to lie. Instead, these two interviews with Linda Moulton-Howe were extremely lengthy for both witnesses and were simply given too much room to lie. Based on what you'll hear, no lies were found in their tones and these two individuals are authentic and most certainly telling the truth.

Depending on the individual and considering time on the job, it's made much easier to discover a lie. For many, it's even second nature. The following is a forum member's post regarding one the Podcasts below.

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 6:28pm, figneutron wrote:
I am a psychotherapist with more than 25 years of experience. One of my areas of expertise is diagnosis and treatment of psychopathic personality disorder. To cut to the chase, it's very difficult for a con man or pathological liar to deceive me. I listened to Linda Moulton-Howe's interview with "Ted Connors (alias)" the security technician who saw the strange craft at close range a few days ago near Maxwell AFB outside Montgomery, Alabama. I am convinced that this man is telling the truth, and, therefore, the strange craft is not a hoax. Any problems with the photographs of the ET drone are immaterial.
Any one who wants to hear the truth can do so at www.unknowncountry/podcast. It's a 19.6 mb mp3 download. Let's all move on and get to the bottom of this enigma.


Witnessed: June 25, 2007, Near Maxwell AFB and its Gunter AFB Annex in Montgomery, Alabama
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode19mp3.html
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1279&category=Environment

Witnessed: May 25th, 2005, Sequoia National Forest
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/mp3files/highbandwidth/episode17high.mp3
http://www.ufocasebook.com/lettersstrangecraft.html


As well as the two witnesses above, another five additional witnesses presented their reports regarding their own experience and personal account of their drone sighting. These accounts are pre-Tahoe and pre-Chad with the exception of the Round Hill sighting, which happened more recently on June 19th, 45 days after the original drone sighting in Tahoe.

Round Hill - June 19, 2007 - Dawn Raimond
http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20070706/REGION/107060071
Yosemite National Park - June 10, 2006 - Three witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1265&category=Environment
http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneYosemiteSketches052307x.jpg
Northridge, CA - May 2006 – Northridge California - Robert Mariotti
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode18mp3.html
Sitgreaves National Forest, Arizona - October 1995, Ned White
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1275&category=Environment
Barksdale AFB, Louisiana - 1987 Airshow - Anonymous witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1258&category=Environment
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html

To summarize our real or hoax percentages that we all felt during these times, continued to vary depending on which drone was the topic of the day since from May 5th to date, we now have a total of fourteen drone reports from fourteen different individuals, from thirteen various locations and seven, which accompanied pictures in six different locations all within the United States. Most all drone accounts were witnessed by more than one individual at the time of the sighting and not just the individual reporting the sighting or taking the pictures. By June 29th, we not only had Isaac's account, but we also had seven drones to look at and pick apart and not just one. Those same percentages of, is it a hoax or isn't it a hoax changed continually on a daily basis while accounting for the vast amount of information brought in each day by forum members and researched within the threads.

Continued next post...............................
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 16th, 2007, 5:34pm

We had various individuals from many fields that assisted us as we went along. As well, forum members many times could relate to certain subjects based on their current or past employment in one field or another. We also lacked in some areas and could have used some from a couple of fields; however those individuals who maybe had input did not make their presence known to the forum. Even some new members knew something, however were afraid to comment for fear of thinking that they're reputation might be at stake. A handful even commented that they were afraid that their name would be associated with a hoax on the Internet someday. Such a statement was made by some of those same individuals after also stating that the drones could be the real thing. Everyone was so worried about their reputations when they really only had to state that they weren't sure. Just the same, we could have used their expertise. You'll even read many accounts from our own members stating that such things produced a fear of sorts thinking that if they were to put the words "it's possible" in any of their posts that their character would be in jeopardy. Accordingly, much of our experience over the past weeks has gotten quite comical because we're making fun at ourselves not realizing that these are some of the very same reasons that those that wish to remain 'anonymous' concerning their own personal drone sighting, continue to remain anonymous.

Here we stand today and we have not yet dismissed Isaac or the drones where others dismissed Isaac and the drones on June 26th, the very same day that Coast to Coast presented Isaac's pictures, linguistic primers and reports. We just started work on such on June 26th, and are still trudging through the mounds, whereas the skeptic camps had called it a hoax on or around the same date of June 26th. Certainly nobody could ever consider Isaac's work a hoax on the very day the information was released. We're still looking at the evidence today and haven't come to any conclusion as of yet ourselves.

As of the morning hours of July 14th and amongst the UFO Casebook forum and the Open Minds Forum, there were a grand total of 676 thread pages and 9,755 posts regarding Isaac and the drones. Both subjects are still the highest traffic areas in these two forums today. A page count of 676 pages is considered a novel.

Amongst those 9,755 posts, we've all picked apart the photos, the drones themselves, we've even taken ourselves back to the early 1980's and discovered the printing and copying capabilities or lack of in order to discern whether or not the linguistics primers and CARET reports were authentic or a hoax.

Over time we discussed the following while everyone pitched in with their own thoughts, ideas and many times personal experiences of their own giving us greater insight as to the possibilities. These are just some of the topics that were covered on the drones and Isaac and only cover 101 pages of the 676 pages available to read. The UFO Casebook had a little over 5400 members on June 25th and that membership has climbed to 5976 as of the date of this writing, an increase of almost 600 members and all due to Isaac and the drones. It is for this reason I update each and every one of you because yes, 676 pages is a lot of reading material.

Both the UFO Casebook Forum and the Open Minds Forum have many eloquent and highly educated posters responsible for bringing forward every bit of evidence they could muster up from what we all had to work with while producing discovery. I don't have to mention their names because they know who they are. But, if there was a winner in all of this thus far as to who presented some of the best and cleanest evidence concerning both sides, that award would go to an Open Minds Forum member. Talk about a seeker, a discoverer, a presenter! He blew us away with his vast knowledge and yet in so many different areas, as he sat on the fence weighing the possibilities no matter the outcome.

Subject matter discussed regarding the drones and Isaac's pictures, linguistic primers and reports is as follows and not in any particular order. This information below was only taken from 101 of the 676 pages available between the UFO Casebook Forum and the Open Minds Forum. To do this on all 676 pages would be too lengthy to mention. All of these subjects were at some point were accompanied by numerous website addresses used for such research.

Photoshop elements, the drone and Lander apparatus image, Lander possible irrigation head, telephone wire appears to vanish in Capitola image and then reappears, Isaac's documentation, Isaac's security protocols and security breach, gravity, antigravity, physics, Isaac risking jail or worse, Jpeg compression, could 1987 scanners render Isaac images, +x yx7+ Googled, leading us to NASA Clementine, CGI and 3D possibilities discussed in great length having to dismiss saladfingers and the like, parallels between crop circles and Isaac's linguistic primers, are Isaac's comments that of a fantasy prone author, the familiarity of Isaac's drone parts with in association to Big Basin and Capitola drones, Isaac hardware was discussed frequently, alien symbolism reported by abductees, the holographic computational substrate, Stanton Friedman's opinion, where was he on this, invisibility cloaking, many including myself have seen something like this before but none of us can remember where (eerie), center of drone resembles magnetron, the lack of information on S1 and the black out text, Isaac's take on his employers, reverse engineering of the drones, antigravity device possibility, the possibility that this could be disinformation spewn from our own government, our conception of what each Isaac artifact was for or it's given function, measurements of all parts, drones and other artifacts in order to compare Isaac's pictures with newer drone accounts (Big Basin Capitola), the possibility of these drones and Isaac being part of a viral marketing campaign such as one from HALO3, bungie or Transformers the movie. Mufon cgi possibility, three dimensional aspect of symbols, other labs in Palo Alto 84-87, i-beam construction, ufo crash possibilities 70-80's, different drone configurations, controlled leak of info, blue "T" on marked documents, cover sheet and punched holes, reseach centers in areas of drone sightings, Lockheed, Ames Research, photo surface imperfections, font comparisons to multiple languages, Xerox (PARC) connection, group hoax, Connection between linguistics and crop circles, linguistic diagram analysis, comparison of linguistics to Jesse Marcel's I-beam, speculation on alien remote control of drones, speculation on de-cloaking technology, manipulation of light spectrum frequencies, linguistic fonts (Isaac) exactly matching recent drones, Capitola photo shadows questioned, drone's reasoning for surveillance, primers intricate and difficult nature, how far advanced is the technology regarding black box, Isaaccaret.com registered, Jack Sahakian (Northrop Grumman guy) letter, Sahakian letter praised as good because of his level of expertise –plausibility of Isaac’s report established, Attorney Todd Schwartz research (is he Issac atty or website investor, Capitola photo break down / critique, Edward Teller of Livermore Labs and letter to President Reagan concerning secret alien technology, link for Livermore’s 80’s timeline, Livermore Labs, Lockheed, Ames Research proximity to Big Basin uner 19-40 miles, discussion on the 1980’s look of the PACL documents, confirmation of Sahakian employment, Teller’s comment in documents on circular airfoil design on a single wing craft/alien technology, skeptical comments on Isaac and security clearance, Isaac’s fake company building/secret lab façade, 1980’s look of the PACL documents, UAV’s RAV’s, early Xerox Xparc computer technology, what if it’s disclosure, forest connection /AFB connection, questions about location of drone sightings, night vision. infrared/ visibility, drone discoloration in center of ring, Xerox Star system used by Caret?, drone timeline, damaged parts on drone artifacts, quantum level shift, symbols on drones, discussion on the many Googled CARET possibilities, Inteliant Corp possible connection, comments from skeptics and debunkers both.

Source & References
UFO Casebook Forum - http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi
UFO Casebook - http://www.ufocasebook.com/
Open Minds Forum - http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?
The Mysterious and Elusive Isaac - http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/
Earthfiles - http://www.earthfiles.com/
Tahoe Daily Tribune - http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20070706/REGION/107060071

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ISAAC'S WEBSITE HERE

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

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You are currently in thread #3, which is a continuation from
Isaac #2, #1 and the drone threads,
which can be found at the following address
where it all began.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 16th, 2007, 6:45pm

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Is the cage “shape” changing between the two photos.

If the cage is pulled down at the bottom (by the center "shaft") and the upper part is fixed... the shape can change from a roundish structure to a more cone like structure... possibly changing the orientation of the structures inside the cage. This could be the cause of things appearing to be changing...

Or it could just be the angle.

And what is the extra stuff dangling at the end of the central shaft on the right photo (there are two “danglies” rather than just one). I am surprised no one has pointed this out before.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:13pm

Got it, one day I'll learn to read lol.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:14pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:06pm, leviathan6 wrote:
Nice intro to this thread ATO. I did miss seeing mention of the Birmingham Object. I found some interesting things when examining this photo that appear in the center of the ring. OMF was never interested in these findings, is this forum!


Thank you leviathan6.......

They did some things on Birmingham in OMF but they had so many threads going on the drones you had to dig a bit. There was just so much one could do on Birmingham too. Except for the fact that it's certainly much different then the rest - AND, I didn't pay attention until today but the following witness saw what he said looked just like the Birmingham drone but it was hanging up in an AFB hanger per the following and this was in 1987.

Barksdale AFB, Louisiana - 1987 Airshow - Anonymous witnesses
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2007/jul/m08-006.shtml

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:16pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 5:16pm, castles4me wrote:
Check this out on the one Latitude posted earlier as well..... Look on top of the right side where he put the red circle -- look up into the center ring... it almost looks like a Grey alien head peering down out of the center... you don't see it on the other photos. Look JUST above the very top loop of that right hand red circle (I would draw something myself but I don't know how to do that lol)


I see what you mean smiley

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:16pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 11:59am, StayFocused wrote:
To me it was pretty obvious that whenever Shermer mentioned "probes" he was talking about the "anal probes" that are often mentioned in alien abductions. Hence the dirty little smurk on Shermer's face whenever he mentioned it.

There is zero relation between Shermer's probes and the drones.


I respectfully and totally disagree.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Easternbluestar on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:16pm

The thing dangling in the center of the craft, reminds me of an old fashioned plumb-bob, when used in civil engineering and land surveying practices, it was to give a straight vertical line of sight at 0 degrees, or zenith to gravity.

Here is a link to a google image display of different types of plumb bobs.
GOOGLE IMAGES
Again, based on the way it is hanging, it is speculation on my part, but working with plumb bobs so often in land surveying, perhaps for this machine it is tied into a device to give it a position reference to a plumb line to the centre of the earth.

EBS
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:19pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 2:13pm, MarkM wrote:
I know that there's some reluctance to give credence to the "intuitive" thread. I certainly understand that, as mysterious as this is, hard science comes first. But in light of urantia606's recent post I thought interesting to share this post. It certainly makes sense and would explain why the images were suspended in the air. The use of the word "signals" makes sense in this context as well.

Re: SCIENTIFIC "VISION" REVEALS "ISAAC" TECHNOLOGY
« Reply #106 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 10:48am »
I guess this goes here on the "weird" page. Got up and wrote this down around 4:00 am.

"There is a problem with the way you are looking at the SIGNALS (I was being shown the language symbols suspended in air). A large circular symbol was at the center with a smaller one positioned slightly above to the left and right. Like the points of an inverted triangle). Turn this around - as if you're looking through the BACK. Then will you buy it?" (curious word, I think it's meant to mean "understand" )

The word that was specifically used was signals, not symbols.

Be gentle with me - this is the out of the box thread!
« Last Edit: Jul 10th, 2007, 10:49am by MarkM »


Don't stop Mark, I'm sure that you have figured something out by looking at it upside down......."no angle shall be left uninvestigated"......me 07/16/07.
Brings to mind the movie "Contact", looking at things "flat" is so 20th Century, 3D mapping is alive in medcine, more platforms are being developed in mechanicals. Why should technology that is thought not to be from here be compared to here. The technology is far superior, more complex, and hundreds of years if not thousands of years ahead of us, wouldn't it require a new set of rules to display it ?
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:28pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 3:20pm, DrDil wrote:
Hey LangLee, Many Thanks my friend, excellent copy for the size of file, you should have made it a bit more obvious, never mind………………… wink



on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:11pm, LangLee wrote:
Yes Dr. ?

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:29pm

Interesting the statement "Mr. Murillo describes his investigation of the dragonfly-shaped drone photographs and his conclusion the photos are hoaxed." found in these links:

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/cgi-bin/search-email.cgi?index=/ufo/updates/&key=earthfiles

Does anyone has any further information on this angle?




Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:30pm

Finally you guys are starting to see what I'm seeing! smiley

I thought I was going mad and seeing things.

Great job OTF. Those may not be eyes with a big head. I think that's more the shoulder and the head is behind the support.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:33pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 6:45pm, bakosawa wrote:
Is the cage “shape” changing between the two photos.

If the cage is pulled down at the bottom (by the center "shaft") and the upper part is fixed... the shape can change from a roundish structure to a more cone like structure... possibly changing the orientation of the structures inside the cage. This could be the cause of things appearing to be changing...

Or it could just be the angle.

And what is the extra stuff dangling at the end of the central shaft on the right photo (there are two “danglies” rather than just one). I am surprised no one has pointed this out before.


No. What you are seeing there is the difference in the angle and zoom and I also chopped off the bottom. Sorry. But the alien sure looks like it's there to me.



Ignore this Lat, just a note to Conforums - default problem again 310 7:32 7/16
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:41pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:33pm, Latitude wrote:
No. What you are seeing there is the difference in the angle and zoom and I also chopped off the bottom. Sorry. But the alien sure looks like it's there to me.


I see a figure that strangely reminds me of a Tie Fighter Pilot action character leaning on the "strut"... (and if my son is missing his... he's in time out...... okay, just kidding). Definitely not tweedy bird. Seriously… does it look like a Tie Fighter Pilot figure?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:46pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:41pm, bakosawa wrote:
I see a figure that strangely reminds me of a Tie Fighter Pilot action character leaning on the "strut"... (and if my son is missing his... he's in time out...... okay, just kidding). Definitely not tweedy bird. Seriously… does it look like a Tie Fighter Pilot figure?


Maybe Foo Fighters. lol grin grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:51pm

I was thinking about the lines inside the cage that don't seem to be straight but are somewhat jagged. Could those be safety straps for use when observing so they don't fall out of the thing? Look at the pic on the left. It looks like one of the "safety straps" might be attached to our little alien.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:54pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:46pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Maybe Foo Fighters. lol grin grin


I know I used a little “tongue and cheek”... but it does kind of look like an action figure leaning there... I am not saying that is what it is. Some of these pictures become an inkblot test after a while.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:57pm

Latitude wrote: "I was thinking about the lines inside the cage that don't seem to be straight but are somewhat jagged. Could those be safety straps for use when observing so they don't fall out of the thing? Look at the pic on the left. It looks like one of the "safety straps" might be attached to our little alien."

So you are thinking that despite the super high tech sensors on that craft, they put an enlisted man hanging off the bottom to add two eyeballs to the search. Maybe that guy (if he is really there) is our friend S1?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:01pm

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According to Isaac the plan shown above are the directions on how the various parts of the Ty Big Basin relate to each other.

It is sort of a diagram of how the object is assembled.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:04pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:57pm, Nodnunk wrote:
Latitude wrote: "I was thinking about the lines inside the cage that don't seem to be straight but are somewhat jagged. Could those be safety straps for use when observing so they don't fall out of the thing? Look at the pic on the left. It looks like one of the "safety straps" might be attached to our little alien."

So you are thinking that despite the super high tech sensors on that craft, they put an enlisted man hanging off the bottom to add two eyeballs to the search. Maybe that guy (if he is really there) is our friend S1?


Greetings Nodnunk and welcome!

I think you may be misunderstanding... you see the alien need a safety belt to over come the zero inertia, he's just hanging out to see the sights.

Command and Control gets shot gun... grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:14pm


We have a glitch here Latitude. My post posted in two places and it did an over-ride on your spot. This happened in the Isaac #1 thread about six or seven times. You'll need to repost whatever you had there. I took my post out of your spot there.

Conforums says this is because too many are clicking with reply or other reasons and done within a millisecond, which makes things go haywire.

I noticed that the view count is already defaulted back to zero for this thread like it did time and time again on Isaac #1 - same reason Conforums said.
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Oh well, I just took my post out and yours came out automatically so I'm going to delete both spots and lets try it again.

You were quoting the S1 comment post.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:18pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:57pm, Nodnunk wrote:
Latitude wrote: "I was thinking about the lines inside the cage that don't seem to be straight but are somewhat jagged. Could those be safety straps for use when observing so they don't fall out of the thing? Look at the pic on the left. It looks like one of the "safety straps" might be attached to our little alien."

So you are thinking that despite the super high tech sensors on that craft, they put an enlisted man hanging off the bottom to add two eyeballs to the search. Maybe that guy (if he is really there) is our friend S1?


Wouldn't that make it an "A1" instead of an "S1"? grin grin

Speaking of number and letter designation. Wouldn't there be a standard technical manual that the government would use to designate? I would think so and if there is, we might be able to figure out 'some things' based on the letters.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:21pm

Observations:
In the Big Basin image by Stephen (link below), notice that the far right hand prong making up the cage below the craft, is not attached at its top end. This may indicate that the prongs are movable and can be pivoted about their lower attachment for some purpose. Perhaps they could be used to support the craft while resting on the ground, looking something like a flower pot with legs.

Notice also that the dual rings, on the far side in this image, have a small center hole, while the corresponding rings on Ty's craft have larger holes. Perhaps the two are not the same craft, or when a craft returns to its hanger it can be reconfigured as needed.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:33pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:04pm, bakosawa wrote:
Greetings Nodnunk and welcome!


Thanks for the greetings bakosawa!

I was trying to imply that the alien fellow who is "hanging out" is in fact controlling the craft by telepathy. That may be what the mysterious unidentified S1 is/does. A biological wireless remote control device.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:43pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:33pm, Nodnunk wrote:
I was trying to imply that the alien fellow who is "hanging out" is in fact controlling the craft by telepathy. That may be what the mysterious unidentified S1 is/does. A biological wireless remote control device.


I can buy that but good luck selling it to but a few in here.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:47pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:14pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
We have a glitch here Latitude. My post posted in two places and it did an over-ride on your spot. This happened in the Isaac #1 thread about six or seven times. You'll need to repost whatever you had there. I took my post out of your spot there.


I was just posting that I did not go looking for aliens. The whole think happened quite accidentally. When I was doing the Isaac parts comparison with the BB object I noticed an oddity which I thought was a trick of the light. I was astonished when the same oddity showed up in a different pic, from a different angle, still leaning onto the same support. I really don't know what it is, but if the pics are real then it looks like something is in that cage.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:51pm

I'm convinced that S1 is the interface between the pilot and the craft. I think that it may well be a biocircuit. When your arm is dangling at your side and then you raise it into the air, how do you make that "mechanical" movement happen? The same way that nerve impulses can prompt a response in a sophisticated artificial limb - an electrical signal. Either the conductive material allows the command symbols (signals) to communicate directives through a connection with the pilot (touch), or the technology has progressed even further and this communication is more direct. Telepathic. Like a radio signal only biologically rather than electronically generated.
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Post by onthefence55 on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:53pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:21pm, Nodnunk wrote:
In the Big Basin image by Stephen (link below), notice that the far right hand prong making up the cage below the craft, is not attached at its top end. This may indicate that the prongs are movable and can be pivoted about their lower attachment for some purpose. Perhaps they could be used to support the craft while resting on the ground, looking something like a flower pot with legs.


I checked this out before and thought that because the image was extremely overexposed that this arm only appears broken. So by moving the cut-off threshold right near the top (255), you can see that the arm actually does touch and that the sky in the background is only slightly brighter.

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According to Isaac/CARET, A1 is used to hold pieces of the craft together, this may be the reason why some pieces don't need heavy structural connections. And maybe they do move about during flight or between sessions.

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:56pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 8:51pm, MarkM wrote:
I'm convinced that S1 is the interface between the pilot and the craft. I think that it may well be a biocircuit. When your arm is dangling at your side and then you raise it into the air, how do you make that "mechanical" movement happen? The same way that nerve impulses can prompt a response in a sophisticated artificial limb - an electrical signal. Either the conductive material allows the command symbols (signals) to communicate directives through a connection with the pilot (touch), or the technology has progressed even further and this communication is more direct. Telepathic. Like a radio signal only biologically rather than electronically generated.


I'm sure glad you have the words for his description and my thoughts.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 16th, 2007, 9:09pm

There's got to be something very powerful about S1 for them to have blacked out all references to it. I keep coming back to Isaacs statements about how reluctant they were to talk about the actual ET's behind the technology, how they avoided acknowledging the connection. Maybe that emotional realization was just too much (in some higher ups opinion). I'm baffled as to how they expected the team to figure this all out with this rather significant hole in the information.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 16th, 2007, 9:30pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:16pm, onthefence55 wrote:
I see what you mean smiley

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lol -- yeah there's that!! umm not TOO creative lol That wasn't really the one I was talking about although, that really defines the anomaly in that spot.

Look above your little alien... it looks like an Grey alien head (where one big black eye is visible) looking down from the ring. See it? Draw it for me lol
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Post by AgentM on Jul 16th, 2007, 9:41pm

I have heard discussion of craft being piloted by some type of clone or other automaton that has been bred to perform this function which seems to fit S1.

Add: But why keep an alien a secret if alien hardware is already disclosed? What, are we supposed to think the government made the stuff..

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Post by Latitude on Jul 16th, 2007, 10:06pm

Here's another crude enhancement of the "alien in the cage".

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Post by MarkM on Jul 16th, 2007, 10:13pm

Well.... I'm the guy that's standing in front of the poster store at the mall scratching his head while everyone else is pointing at the dolphins that leap out from the pattern. My wife gets so frustrated "Can't you see them? They're right there," big sigh, "Squint a little and look out of the corner of your eye!"

Nope. I'm hopeless smiley
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 16th, 2007, 10:34pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 9:09pm, MarkM wrote:
There's got to be something very powerful about S1 for them to have blacked out all references to it. I keep coming back to Isaacs statements about how reluctant they were to talk about the actual ET's behind the technology, how they avoided acknowledging the connection. Maybe that emotional realization was just too much (in some higher ups opinion). I'm baffled as to how they expected the team to figure this all out with this rather significant hole in the information.


Isaac said: "I was occasionally involved in the assessment of how that technology was meant to interface with its user".

Very import remark! It appears to operate and react with the 'user'.

It seems that some military guy gets ahold of the S1 and plays with it. Very bad news. The S1 can cause an alien craft to crash or uncloak.

It may be that the S1 is just too dangerous to let anyone know too much about it or even to see it.
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Post by ABCStore on Jul 16th, 2007, 10:35pm

I guess "Find edges" filter might help a bit. On the other hand, I'm no Photoshop expert...

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Post by urantia606 on Jul 16th, 2007, 10:41pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 9:09pm, MarkM wrote:
There's got to be something very powerful about S1 for them to have blacked out all references to it. I keep coming back to Isaacs statements about how reluctant they were to talk about the actual ET's behind the technology, how they avoided acknowledging the connection. Maybe that emotional realization was just too much (in some higher ups opinion). I'm baffled as to how they expected the team to figure this all out with this rather significant hole in the information.


Isaac also says that some "other" technology (besides the s1) can also cause the uncloaking to happen by mistake...."miles" away from the craft that Ty photographed.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 16th, 2007, 10:48pm

Earthfiles.com has moved all of the Drone topics to the Subscribers Only section of the website. $36.00 per year.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 16th, 2007, 10:53pm

That bites. I guess it's her site, though. Good thing Isaac has his own FREE site.
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Post by Isaw1again on Jul 16th, 2007, 10:57pm

Here's another crude enhancement of the "alien in the cage".

If the ring is about 10 feet across then the figure is the size of a gray.
But I dont know.
It is possible.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 16th, 2007, 11:21pm

on Jul 16th, 2007, 10:53pm, MarkM wrote:
That bites. I guess it's her site, though. Good thing Isaac has his own FREE site.


Ray Santilli said he made a big mistake by selling the Alien Autopsy to TV. He said, " I should have just sold individual tapes to the public".

I presume there would have been a lot more money for him by doing that.

The original film cans are now being held by the financial man in Germany.
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Post by backlit on Jul 16th, 2007, 11:44pm

A bit pompus on his part.
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Post by Andyp on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:55am

People need to put the camera down and pick up a shotgun or a rifle and blow one of these things out of the sky laugh.
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Post by Keith on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:57am

First observation is that Linda's site is getting hammered for drone info, so shifting to subscription is a good business decision. However, she could be coming into a second and substantial installment of the "Isaac Files" or even better- an interview with Isaac. Linda spends a lot of time following up and investigating everything on her site, so why not charge for the info? It's her "baby" because CtoC is a "kissing cousin". The only problem with limiting the information is the research is limited to few. The more heads we get together on this, the greater the possibility we'll get some answers- or at least a ton of options to work with.
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Post by Keith on Jul 17th, 2007, 01:06am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:55am, Andyp wrote:
People need to put the camera down and pick up a shotgun or a rifle and blow one of these things out of the sky laugh.


I'd use rubber bullets. When mommies baby gets blown out of the sky, the last thing you'll see is a huge shadow on the ground- right before it turns you into the human version of a "cattle mutilation" scene. grin
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Post by Andyp on Jul 17th, 2007, 01:12am

Then we would have some evidence lol. wink
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Post by starsigndavid on Jul 17th, 2007, 01:18am

on Jul 16th, 2007, 10:13pm, MarkM wrote:
Well.... I'm the guy that's standing in front of the poster store at the mall scratching his head while everyone else is pointing at the dolphins that leap out from the pattern. My wife gets so frustrated "Can't you see them? They're right there," big sigh, "Squint a little and look out of the corner of your eye!"

Nope. I'm hopeless smiley


I'm with you on that, MarkM. I think it is a bit of a stretch, like seeing Joseph of Aramethia in a chocolate babka, but what the Hell do I know!
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 17th, 2007, 02:41am

on Jul 16th, 2007, 7:57pm, Nodnunk wrote:
So you are thinking that despite the super high tech sensors on that craft, they put an enlisted man hanging off the bottom to add two eyeballs to the search. Maybe that guy (if he is really there) is our friend S1?

The Big Basin photographs can't be used to work on, they're to pixelated. You can see anything with a little bit of imagination (it's the same thing with clouds). I thought Linda Moulton Howe's assistant was about to scan the original photographs in high definition. Where are they ? Why did she say she would rescan them and doesn't do it ?
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 07:45am

on Jul 16th, 2007, 10:48pm, urantia606 wrote:
Earthfiles.com has moved all of the Drone topics to the Subscribers Only section of the website. $36.00 per year.


Yeah, I noticed that too. Who wants to put bets on which week she changes her mind on that action? I'll give it 4 weeks.

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:57am, Keith wrote:
First observation is that Linda's site is getting hammered for drone info, so shifting to subscription is a good business decision.


We're all busier due to drone and Isaac activity. If anything those in the UFO Community will be ragging on her decision. The UFO Casebook website is #1 but BJ would never set it up as subscription only.

Quote:
However, she could be coming into a second and substantial installment of the "Isaac Files" or even better- an interview with Isaac.


This would be the only good reason for her to do so. Nothing wrong with capitalizing on it especially if Isaac had come out to her and wanted a piece of the pie.

Then again, it only takes one subscriber to bring it out to Google, so there go the subscribers and she's back to square one.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 08:01am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 01:06am, Keith wrote:
I'd use rubber bullets. When mommies baby gets blown out of the sky, the last thing you'll see is a huge shadow on the ground- right before it turns you into the human version of a "cattle mutilation" scene. grin


Ewww, I did the visual. lol

Again I'll mention that these drones (if alien), which I think there is a better chance that they are, are archaic by their own standards. They had to have figured that one of them would have ended up on the ground possibly, which is why they're archaic. They wanted us to have something but not too much of something.

A. In the interim, they most likely have a research function that the aliens are using and B. When AndyP is in their midst then that government gets to re-engineer the darn thing and learn from it in the process. C. From what they've learned the whole world's technology becomes advanced at speed greater then it would have.

I don't question it whatsoever that aliens have already advanced our technology in the past. I sense it in Tesla, Edison, Marconi and Bell if simply by subliminal thought alone prompting some of the greatest discoveries.


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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 08:31am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:55am, Andyp wrote:
People need to put the camera down and pick up a shotgun or a rifle and blow one of these things out of the sky laugh.


Like I said before -- do it Texas style.... get a rope and Lasso one of them heifers, hogtie it and let's see what kinda varmit we got!
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 17th, 2007, 08:40am

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There appears to be some similar elements to the top of the Drone craft.

This diagram came from an article about efforts to make objects 'invisible' in a lab.

It uses a kind of micro-wave that gives off a signal that is out of phase with normal vision. The object that you 'cover' with the out-of-phase signals then becomes....invisible.

" * For a total invisibility effect, the waves passing closest to the cloaked object would have to be bent in such a way that they would appear to exceed relativity's light speed limit. Fortunately, there's a loophole in Albert Einstein's rules of the road that allows smooth pulses of light to undergo just such a phase shift."

Link for article written in 2006.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2006/1769480.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12961080/

Urantia....Dougster
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 08:57am

Very Good Urantia! I believe you have nailed it!! I am gonna check out that link.

Oh.... and here is my alien head.... he is sitting in a control chair within the center ring, peering down lol (ok now we are REALLY getting creative.) BUT.... to my own defence.... you cannot see that alien head on any of the other photos.

NOW can yall see what I am talking about ?

My alien is the one on the left and on the right is onthefence's alien. lol

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Post by meller on Jul 17th, 2007, 09:39am

I was just thinking about the fact that the big basin photos have not yet been released in hi-res. Lets consider the different possibilities from Linda's point of view:

* Earthfiles (linda) has found something significant in the photos. If traffic is rapidly increasing on earthfiles.com, it does not make sense to throw the dog a bone YET, as the traffic is showing no signs of slowing. Instead, it is better for her to wait until traffic trends start drooping off and then adding something new as an incentive.

* Upon examination of the hi-res photos, something has been found that could expose the photos as a hoax, and releasing them could be detrimental to the recent popularity that the phenomenon has enjoyed.

* Some outside unknown entity (Isaac, C2C, Aliens themselves, the government) has persuaded Linda to either wait before releasing the photos, or never release them all. As for the reason, that is up to speculation.

I want to remind you all that these three possibilities are just my own speculation, and is to be taken with a grain of salt. I'm just trying to figure out why it's taken so long for those yet-unreleased photos to surface.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 09:42am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 01:18am, starsigndavid wrote:
I'm with you on that, MarkM. I think it is a bit of a stretch, like seeing Joseph of Aramethia in a chocolate babka, but what the Hell do I know!


It's not a case of seeing aliens in obscure light. If you study the enhancements I've made you would see what proof I have. Too many times people gloss over these postings, not taking the time to read and understand them.

Like I said before, I did not go looking for aliens. The whole think happened quite accidentally. When I was doing the Isaac parts comparison with the BB object I noticed an oddity which I thought was a trick of the light. I was astonished when the same oddity showed up in a different pic, from a different angle, still leaning onto the same support. I really don't know what it is, but if the pics are real then it looks like something is in that cage.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 09:54am

Latitude you could well be right, after all, that structure is there for something. My comments were more a critique of my own observational skills than of what you may or may not have identified in your analysis. We can't afford to leave any stone unturned in our hunt for answers, and we seem to be running out of stones sad.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:00am


I have figured it out.... the one on top is the Mama alien and she is griping at Jr. alien "Zyrmoc! Get your grey butt into the ship RIGHT NOW! I told you not to be hanging out down there!"

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Post by Xeroid on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:25am

Xerox teams up with CIA on top secret cold war project.

I was lying in bed and for some reason an old story popped into my head that I felt should be told in here.

Reason? Just in case anyone thought that corporations like Xerox could never work on top secret projects. This story talks about one of the most top secret spy mission ever conducted on Russia during the cold war via a Xerox copier insalled in the Russin Embassy in the US.

Read more here:

http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/199909/msg00020.html
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Post by danblast on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:30am

I think it's just a mechanism. When looking at anything strange or 'alien' the mind can find many imaginary things like an inkblot. Think about it if it is an advanced craft, strapping into or hanging on inside a cage does not seem so advanced to me. But who knows.

I'm curious how they land this thing with that egg beater on the bottom. I also noticed on one pic the egg beater (cage) elongated from its position and the rod at the bottom extended (or it stayed the same but the cage compressed and made it look longer). Which I find interesting, if one was to fake a photo it would be easy to rotate parts but this extra attention to detail I found very interesting.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:31am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 08:40am, urantia606 wrote:
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I would be interested in the actual address where you captured the above picture. Was it at that same address you gave us?
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Post by VISITOR on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:33am

TEXTPersonally I can't see what all the fuss is about.Different people are saying, "what's this"? and "what's this for"? or "what does this do"? Sure, the probes may be unlike anything that we've encountered before but so what? Haven't we Humans sent probes that look very strange to other Planets and also deep into Space? Why should an "Alien probe" look familiar to us? I would be extremely doubtful about its authenticity if this was the case. Maybe, just maybe, these probes are the forerunners to actual "public contact" as opposed to the contact that the Military and Security Agencies have encountered. The signs are becoming more frequent that something amazing is about to happen. Personally I can't wait for "public contact", it's about time it did happen. I don't think that we, as Humans, are in any great danger from any Alien Race in particular. It's obvious to me that the Aliens are far more advanced than us technologically at least. If they wanted to do us any real harm then I'm sure they would have already done so by now. For all you fatalists out there, "Independance Day" was only a movie.

cool cool cool cool cool

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:37am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 08:57am, castles4me wrote:
Oh.... and here is my alien head.... he is sitting in a control chair within the center ring, peering down lol (ok now we are REALLY getting creative.)


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Post by urantia606 on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:40am

ATO:

Just go to the second link (post #56) and .....there is the graphic I captured!

That's why I included the link. I feel it is best to always reference where one gets things.

Just Googling my way through life%20grin
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Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:41am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:33am, AVISITOR wrote:
TEXTPersonally I can't see what all the fuss is about.Different people are saying, "what's this"? and "what's this for"? or "what does this do"? Sure, the probes may be unlike anything that we've encountered before but so what? Haven't we Humans sent probes that look very strange to other Planets and also deep into Space? Why should an "Alien probe" look familiar to us? I would be extremely doubtful about its authenticity if this was the case. Maybe, just maybe, these probes are the forerunners to actual "public contact" as opposed to the contact that the Military and Security Agencies have encountered. The signs are becoming more frequent that something amazing is about to happen. Personally I can't wait for "public contact", it's about time it did happen. I don't think that we, as Humans, are in any great danger from any Alien Race in particular. It's obvious to me that the Aliens are far more advanced than us technologically at least. If they wanted to do us any real harm then I'm sure they would have already done so by now. For all you fatalists out there, "Independance Day" was only a movie.

cool cool cool cool cool


The speculation gets... interesting... at times, but I have to agree with you, if you show a digital watch to a caveman and ask him what it is and how it works... the speculation will also be... interesting.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:42am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:37am, Atrueoriginall wrote:


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Like I said... inkblot test... I will post mine later.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:46am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 09:39am, meller wrote:
I was just thinking about the fact that the big basin photos have not yet been released in hi-res. Lets consider the different possibilities from Linda's point of view. I want to remind you all that these three possibilities are just my own speculation, and is to be taken with a grain of salt. I'm just trying to figure out why it's taken so long for those yet-unreleased photos to surface.


We heard the other day that Linda's messages to Ty are going unanswered.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:04am


Ahhh.... the "Ghost in the Machine"
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Post by jugement on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:15am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 09:04am, leviathan6 wrote:
People need to put the camera down and pick up a shotgun or a rifle and blow one of these things out of the sky.
I strongly suggest no one ever try this. The response you get may be very unpleasant.
I agre with you on that , I wonder what galexcy they would put the person on for tring such a stunt. sad
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:16am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:33am, AVISITOR wrote:
Personally I can't see what all the fuss is about.Different people are saying, "what's this"? and "what's this for"? or "what does this do"?


This fuss is this, that we haven't seen anything like this, these are unique sightings, and basically this forum is a group of highly intelligent, inquisitive people and we have questioned and probed and picked and pulled on every issue surrounding this. I think we have all really come up with some very intelligent "guesses" as we have put two and two together to come up with the technology behind it, the authenticity of the photos and documents and which companies and agencies were involved in the PACL lab and why..... amazing stuff. Maybe you should go back and read all of the 200 pages in the first two Isaac threads. You might have more insight as to why we question. You get no answers if you ask no questions.
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Post by jlc767 on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:30am

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The Big Basin photographs can't be used to work on, they're too pixelated. You can see anything with a little bit of imagination...


Exactly. Guys, there's no "alien in the cage". Anything is possible and I don't want to be a naysayer, but c'mon... those images are artifact-ridden and low-resolution. Wait for the high-res releases before we waste 5, 10+ pages on something that's obviously not there.
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Post by jlc767 on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:39am

For those of you that don't know, there's a YouTube! member by the name of gottigo that lives in the mountains (near Rocketdyne) in northern California that posts UFO-related home videos on a frequent basis. Apparently, she captures a lot of weird stuff.

Anyways, she posted some new footage today and I wanted to link it to you all. Here is her description:

Quote:
...i had 2 crafts that had those wing like protrusions on top. They where also silent...


These don't look like your typical elliptical, "flying saucer" UFO's and almost appear to be drone-like. Could this be another possible drone sighting?
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Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:41am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:42am, bakosawa wrote:
Like I said... inkblot test... I will post mine later.


It was not so simple in my case. Sure the Casper and the Tweety Bird reference poke fun at my conclusion. Isn't this indicative of what happens to anybody who comes forward with anything ET related?

Why don't the rest of you who have doubted me do what I did. Take photos "gg" and "kk" and compare the two. Look very closely at gg taking into account what is known to be in the photo such as cage parts and the like. What do you have left? If you use deductive reasoning you will find the same odd figure that I found. You then examine the rest of the photos and you will find that photo kk has the same figure in it standing or leaning in the same position but from a completely different angle. That is indisputable proof.

So before you write my findings off as an imagination gone wild, test it out for yourself.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:48am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:30am, jlc767 wrote:
Exactly. Guys, there's no "alien in the cage". Anything is possible and I don't want to be a naysayer, but c'mon... those images are artifact-ridden and low-resolution. Wait for the high-res releases before we waste 5, 10+ pages on something that's obviously not there.


This coming from someone who is either unwilling or unable to investigate it for himself. Artifact ridden? Why don't you illustrate those artifacts.
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Post by jlc767 on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:03pm

Quote:
This coming from someone who is either unwilling or unable to investigate it for himself...


There's nothing to investigate. I've seen the images and read the posts. There's nothing there. The "being" is clearly not visible (to me) and the image resolution as a whole is extremely poor and, therefore, unreliable.

Trust me, I want an alien to be in there, Latitude, but we need the high-resolution images. Otherwise, I just can't entertain this notion.
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Post by LAU on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:03pm

I always was an UFO enthusiast, and I must say that this forum in UFO Casebook is the best ever!
This drone, that looked so alien a few weeks ago, it's starting to look less alien as the time goes by (huh)
The effort put by the forum members in trying to figure all the details, the theories, how it works, what is it doing here, who is in charge, have the government decoded the technology already, is it a prelude for something bigger, or is it a very elaborate hoax?
Whatever it is, it made us dream awake, loose our sleep and dream on it! I'm glad I'm part of this community.

Many people say something big is coming, and my belief is that until 2013 something different will happen...
I hope people keep their eyes peeled and keep posting here!

I live in Portugal. Not much happens here, but that's only at first sight.
Here's a UFO news I just found: It talks about a silver saucer shaped 2 meters long object that fell off the sky burning and disintegrated (?) before reaching the ground:

Babelfish translated!
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=pt_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdn.sapo.pt%2F2007%2F07%2F01%2Fcidades%2Fespecie_ovni_avistado_ceus_alentejo.html

I´m remembering the Space Shuttle infra-red videos that show ships battling each other from orbit.
Let's hope earth will not become the next battlefield of war going on between the two alien races...
My feeling is that these drones are connected somehow.

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Post by onthefence55 on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:08pm

In my previous excitement, I thought I saw a major change in the inner cage shape, yet this diagram shows I was mistakenly seeing the back ring rotated around exactly in-line with the center of the inner cage:

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Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:18pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:08pm, onthefence55 wrote:
In my previous excitement, I thought I saw a major change in the inner cage shape, yet this diagram shows I was mistakenly seeing the back ring rotated around exactly in-line with the center of the inner cage:


Good find, OTF. That puts one of my concerns to rest too.

Edit to add:
This is a good example of someone who is willing to do the necessary analysis instead of simply posting "it's obvious ....".
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:18pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:30am, danblast wrote:
I think it's just a mechanism. When looking at anything strange or 'alien' the mind can find many imaginary things like an inkblot.


but it was fun imagining aliens inside it smiley

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I'm curious how they land this thing with that egg beater on the bottom. I also noticed on one pic the egg beater (cage) elongated from its position


I think the arms of the cage spread outwards and the needle and inner mechanism fold up into the center ring. (if in fact it needs to land) It may have come off of the mother ship into air with no need to land until it goes back to the mother ship.

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Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:19pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:41am, Latitude wrote:
It was not so simple in my case. Sure the Casper and the Tweety Bird reference poke fun at my conclusion. Isn't this indicative of what happens to anybody who comes forward with anything ET related?

Why don't the rest of you who have doubted me do what I did. Take photos "gg" and "kk" and compare the two. Look very closely at gg taking into account what is known to be in the photo such as cage parts and the like. What do you have left? If you use deductive reasoning you will find the same odd figure that I found. You then examine the rest of the photos and you will find that photo kk has the same figure in it standing or leaning in the same position but from a completely different angle. That is indisputable proof.

So before you write my findings off as an imagination gone wild, test it out for yourself.


Latitude... you take this way to seriously... I am not really poking fun at your expense... let me say what we are seeing is very much open to visual interpretation, as I have said… like an inkblot test. I see a StarWars character (and I will post it later just to demonstrate what I think I see in this photo - which would lean toward a hoax, if that is what we are seeing).

I am not saying it is or is not an alien… but when I think it through… if this is alien technology using anti-gav, that puts out a plasma field as reported (this being is perched very precariously in this cage fully exposed)… and unless the being can beam up to someplace in the craft (I see no convenient way to move around or enter the craft)… unless we are saying that the most advanced form of transportation is to put an alien in a cage, at the bottom of a craft, open to the elements and what ever output the craft generates (if you remember the Cash case)… and that Isaac claims we are flying these thing around as an experiment, not aliens… we may want to keep an open mind that this may or may not be an alien. But if you believe it is an alien, I won’t change your mind… but then you throw a big wrench into Isaac’s credibility if this indeed is an alien out taking a ride.

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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:23pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:19pm, bakosawa wrote:
but then you throw a big wrench into Isaac’s credibility if this indeed is an alien out taking a ride.


I think if it WAS a real alien taking a ride, or trying to find a cow to mutilate, or seeking to find a good place to poke that big needle thing into the ground..... how the heck would that wrench Isaac's credibility lol

If anything, if there was a real alien that would only solidify his story.

Who knows if it really is an alien there... but it sure looks like one.
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Post by onthefence55 on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:26pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:41am, Latitude wrote:
It was not so simple in my case. Sure the Casper and the Tweety Bird reference poke fun at my conclusion. Isn't this indicative of what happens to anybody who comes forward with anything ET related?

Why don't the rest of you who have doubted me do what I did. Take photos "gg" and "kk" and compare the two. Look very closely at gg taking into account what is known to be in the photo such as cage parts and the like. What do you have left? If you use deductive reasoning you will find the same odd figure that I found. You then examine the rest of the photos and you will find that photo kk has the same figure in it standing or leaning in the same position but from a completely different angle. That is indisputable proof.

So before you write my findings off as an imagination gone wild, test it out for yourself.


I'm not writing it off yet, there's still a lot more to see despite the poor image quality. Plus we may never get to see anything better than these images, so we'll have to keep digging deeper.

Can you try to highlight that area that you are concerned with in an image for us.

I think there is a definite difference between shots showing the closest wire towards the camera and shots when you can see through the center. This might tell us a bit more of the shape of the inner cage.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:29pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:03pm, LAU wrote:
I´m remembering the Space Shuttle infra-red videos that show ships battling each other from orbit.
Let's hope earth will not become the next battlefield of war going on between the two alien races...
My feeling is that these drones are connected somehow.


On the main page of ufocasebook.com there is a story of a lady who saw ships (RECENTLY) that were shooting at each other and one went down in flames. I also read on ufoinfo.com that (RECENTLY) there was a town in Texas that saw what looked like a flying building on fire and it went down near a lake.... the whole town called into the radio station asking questions til the radio station was "hushed"

There is something brewing in the air. I wouldn't go as far as the poster yesterday talking about the war between the Grey's and the Reptilians and the secret underground bunkers, lol BUT -- there very well could be competing alien's. Could be why the decloaking has happened recently. Maybe it wasn't US who decloaked the drones.... it was another alien technology of a different race.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:31pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:19pm, bakosawa wrote:
Latitude... you take this way to seriously... I am not really poking fun at your expense... let me say what we are seeing is very much open to visual interpretation, as I have said… like an inkblot test. I see a StarWars character (and I will post it later just to demonstrate what I think I see in this photo - which would lean toward a hoax, if that is what we are seeing).

I am not saying it is or is not an alien… but when I think it through… if this is alien technology using anti-gav, that puts out a plasma field as reported (this being is perched very precariously in this cage fully exposed)… and unless the being can beam up to someplace in the craft (I see no convenient way to move around or enter the craft)… unless we are saying that the most advanced form of transportation is to put an alien in a cage, at the bottom of a craft, open to the elements and what ever output the craft generates (if you remember the Cash case)… and that Isaac claims we are flying these thing around as an experiment, not aliens… we may want to keep an open mind that this may or may not be an alien. But if you believe it is an alien, I won’t change your mind… but then you throw a big wrench into Isaac’s credibility if this indeed is an alien out taking a ride.


I do not have answers to your questions. This is all speculation. I have never said that without a doubt there is an alien in the cage.

My only serious statement about this and one that I am prepared to stand behind is this:

If the Ty photos are real (and not tampered with) then there is without a doubt something in the cage. It might or might not be an alien. I can't make out for sure what it is.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:32pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:29am, leviathan6 wrote:
In INDEPENDENCE DAY the human race wins, do not count on this. Real contact will not be like any film, except maybe THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL.


Personally my movie of choice is "Close Encounters" as it has some basis in reality (reports, character portrayals, etc.). But to each his own. Perhaps we get what we expect.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:37pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:23pm, castles4me wrote:
I think if it WAS a real alien taking a ride, or trying to find a cow to mutilate, or seeking to find a good place to poke that big needle thing into the ground..... how the heck would that wrench Isaac's credibility lol

If anything, if there was a real alien that would only solidify his story.

Who knows if it really is an alien there... but it sure looks like one.


Isaac's story line is that the craft we are seeing are experimental flights of the technology he worked on... that heads would roll since they became uncloaked. The photo of this craft is on his site:

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

2 + 2 = 4.

If this is not true, why the false advertisement with the photo of this craft, if it is not one of the craft he claims we have?

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Post by Keith on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:46pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:29pm, castles4me wrote:
On the main page of ufocasebook.com there is a story of a lady who saw ships (RECENTLY) that were shooting at each other and one went down in flames. I also read on ufoinfo.com that (RECENTLY) there was a town in Texas that saw what looked like a flying building on fire and it went down near a lake.... the whole town called into the radio station asking questions til the radio station was "hushed"




Hopefully the day won't come when we are like flies watching the fly swatter come at us at the speed of light.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:46pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:31pm, Latitude wrote:
I do not have answers to your questions. This is all speculation. I have never said that without a doubt there is an alien in the cage.

My only serious statement about this and one that I am prepared to stand behind is this:

If the Ty photos are real (and not tampered with) then there is without a doubt something in the cage. It might or might not be an alien. I can't make out for sure what it is.


Then let us stand united on that statement. smiley
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:48pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:32pm, MarkM wrote:
Personally my movie of choice is "Close Encounters" as it has some basis in reality (reports, character portrayals, etc.). But to each his own. Perhaps we get what we expect.


yeah, Mark and I feel like we are starting to make a model of the same mountain out of clay in the middle of our living rooms!!
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Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:50pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:48pm, castles4me wrote:
yeah, Mark and I feel like we are starting to make a model of the same mountain out of clay in the middle of our living rooms!!


I am one of the ones that did a painting... (really, in oil)
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:53pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:37pm, bakosawa wrote:
Isaac's story line is that the craft we are seeing are experimental flights of the technology he worked on... that heads would roll since they became uncloaked. The photo of this craft is on his site:

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

2 + 2 = 4.

If this is not true, why the false advertisement with the photo of this craft, if it is not one of the craft he claims we have?


He never said that the drones that are out there ARENT alien.... just that he has worked with a device that decloaked them before. I don't think it has been proven yet whether or not the drones are back engineered alien technology by the US, or if they are in fact MORE alien drones (Just like the ones Isaac saw pieces of) or possibly, some of both.

My theory is that they are all alien, with the exception of the Alabama drone, and the one seen in the hangar that looked like Alabama drone.
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Post by leviathan6 on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:53pm

jlc767, very interesting video. Thank you for the heads up. Well done.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:59pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:39am, jlc767 wrote:
For those of you that don't know, there's a YouTube! member by the name of gottigo that lives in the mountains (near Rocketdyne) in northern California that posts UFO-related home videos on a frequent basis. Apparently, she captures a lot of weird stuff.

Anyways, she posted some new footage today and I wanted to link it to you all. Here is her description:
These don't look like your typical elliptical, "flying saucer" UFO's and almost appear to be drone-like. Could this be another possible drone sighting?


It looks interesting.... seems too high in the sky to be a drone, seems like their MO is to hover at the top of tree lines....

While checking out that youtube clip... this one popped up...... now THIS is weird... check it out.... have yall ever heard of this before??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMO94yXf43Q
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Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:02pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:26pm, onthefence55 wrote:
I'm not writing it off yet, there's still a lot more to see despite the poor image quality. Plus we may never get to see anything better than these images, so we'll have to keep digging deeper.

Can you try to highlight that area that you are concerned with in an image for us.


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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:14pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:29am, leviathan6 wrote:
In INDEPENDENCE DAY the human race wins, do not count on this. Real contact will not be like any film, except maybe THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL.


The first days, weeks, months will be scarey but when all is said and done, I say it will all end exactly as the ending of the movie Contact and great change in the world will take place like no other time in the history of mankind.

... life is unspeakably rare. So
whenever we do find another
civilization, especially one
that's... struggling... We send a
message. Sometimes we can offer
help. Sometimes we can't. But we
always try. Life is simply too
precious not to.

You're an interesting species; an
interesting mix. Capable of such
exquisite dreams; such horrifying
nightmares. Technologically you've
advanced very quickly -- some think
too quickly... and yet...

You're so lost. So cut off... and so sad.




Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jlc767 on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:17pm

The image of the lower portion of the drone is very "busy". There's a lot going on, both with regard to the drone itself (multiple "bars") and the subsequent color contrast.

I counted at least 12 cage bars; 10 on the outside and at least 2 inside (but likely more). The contrast between the white background (sky) and the (much) darker "bars" really play with your eyes, especially at an angle where you're likely staring through multiple "bars".

I still don't see a figure.


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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:21pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:41am, Latitude wrote:
It was not so simple in my case. Sure the Casper and the Tweety Bird reference poke fun at my conclusion.


Latitude you are just no fun at all. You know what happens if we don't make light of some things occasionally, this place gets dark and the readers get dark. And, by next month they're all found only reading the conspiracy theory section.

I'll always kid around because it changes the air in here and threads such as these need it on occasion. grin grin grin
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Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:30pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:17pm, jlc767 wrote:
The image of the lower portion of the drone is very "busy". There's a lot going on, both with regard to the drone itself (multiple "bars") and the subsequent color contrast.

I counted at least 12 cage bars; 10 on the outside and at least 2 inside (but likely more). The contrast between the white background (sky) and the (much) darker "bars" really play with your eyes, especially at an angle where you're likely staring through multiple "bars".

I still don't see a figure.



Very good. I'm glad you are looking into it. You are doing as I did. The first thing to do is to find out how the cage is constructed. There are only 8 outside bars. The inner cage is a bit harder. I'm guessing it only has 4 small bars. Inside that is V shaped arrangement coming down from above with a ball attached to the bottom of it and the "Safety straps" coming off of it.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:36pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:21pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Latitude you are just no fun at all. You know what happens if we don't make light of some things occasionally, this place gets dark and the readers get dark. And, by next month they're all found only reading the conspiracy theory section.

I'll always kid around because it changes the air in here and threads such as these need it on occasion. grin grin grin
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I can see the humor in it. I especially like the Tweety Bird comment. How fitting was it? Tweety Bird in his cage. grin I have to admit, when I began to study the kk photo, I too taught I taw a tweety bird. wink
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Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:37pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:39am, jlc767 wrote:
For those of you that don't know, there's a YouTube! member by the name of gottigo that lives in the mountains (near Rocketdyne) in northern California that posts UFO-related home videos on a frequent basis. Apparently, she captures a lot of weird stuff.

Anyways, she posted some new footage today and I wanted to link it to you all. Here is her description:



These don't look like your typical elliptical, "flying saucer" UFO's and almost appear to be drone-like. Could this be another possible drone sighting?


Gottigo (Francine) actually lives in the San Fernando Valley, and her videos are taken towards "Mt. Oat", a former rocketdyne facility. Some of her videos are shot of the top of the mountain, the Nike Missile Test Base #88, and some are shot a little lower. The lower elevation videos are shot at the filming Location for the TV show "The Unit", so I'm not sure what to make of that yet...but she does have several very unusual videos there. She has sent me some photos that I'm checking out as well. I went out there to the base of the mountain last Wednesday (July 11), and, had a strange, if not most likely coincidental experience myself, after shooting 4 images of the missile base, involving a helicopter. I've been talking to Gottigo for about 2 weeks now, and have just begun into investigating the area to see if I can find out more. There is no doubt in my mind that her videos are authentic, as well as her photographs...the question is, which are truly unknowns (and I do believe there are a few), and which can be explained (I'm sure for some of the videos there is a connection to the 'lighting' to what might be being filmed at the time on the set of "The Unit". The entire Santa Susanna mt. range there above Chatsworth has been a site of numerous anomalous reports over the years... many of which I believe are connected to the Aurora project, of which I recently put up a short 'info' report on YouTube about that as well, showing a ...well, a very primative, and quickly made demonstration map of the sightings and the Flight pattern (speculated).

To date, I should point out, since the question might come... none of the photos that I've received appears to be even remotely related to any of the drone photos.

Also, (it's kind of on topic here and off topic) I feel one of her best videos shot is actually on bry3500's page, but it's got some odd stuff...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DH1Das2nPek
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:48pm

16 spikes on the top of the craft......eight outer ribs of the lower cage ...........4 inner ribs inside the cage........it all fits.

I'm not a geometry genius but this may mean someting.
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Post by jlc767 on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:52pm

I'm counting 10, Latitude.

http://courtemanche.ws/10.jpg

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eight outer ribs...


Actually, I think you guys are right about 8. I think I'm counting internal "bars".
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Keith on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:00pm

I had this photo in my "X-Files" archive. It appears to have an object in front of it that looks like one of the drones. Not sure, but thought I'd throw it out to you. If I remember correctly, it was one of those Area 51 posts.

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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:10pm

Keith - any more info to go with the image? There may have been a lot more of these seen, photographed and maybe dismissed because they didn't fit the profile. No wires on top if it is.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:11pm

Actually, that would fit the one described as a horseshoe crab.
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Post by JustinMM on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:20pm

I have been following "gottigo's" videos for a few months now. At first I thought they were very interesting... Some videos were unexplainable, others were well... kind of silly if you ask me.
What turns me off from "gottigo" is that she is very defensive if anyone even just constructively criticizes her footage. Her remarks are immature and vulgar. She has since banned me for politely sharing my thoughts on a video of a "ufo" that was following a plane. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAwFFxm4Cs8

I am not a debunker by any means, but I think that "gottigo's" videos are for the most part, all explainable. She literally video tapes anything in the sky, and claims it to be a ufo. Here's another example of some flying "ufos" that are quite obviously birds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj0_11YmR3ETEXT

Anyway, some of her videos are good, but I honestly believe that she is a bit crazy.
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Post by JustinMM on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:23pm

^Oops, take out the "TEXT" section of that last url.. I forgot to removie it. grin
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:26pm


I see Isaac's website is now sporting an AT&T/Yahoo high speed internet ad. That's big bucks.

Yeah, FortuneCity knows all about Isaac certainly and they're reaping the benefits in advertising on that site - especially since it's catering to all of the frustrated individuals on standard dial-up. FortuneCity knew exactly who to approach for that ad space.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:43pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:00pm, Keith wrote:
I had this photo in my "X-Files" archive. It appears to have an object in front of it that looks like one of the drones. Not sure, but thought I'd throw it out to you. If I remember correctly, it was one of those Area 51 posts.

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It would appear that there is some sort of flame emanating from the back, propulsion maybes? The only reason I point this out is that if there is a flame it would suggest that something is being burned, which would fly in the face of all of the proposed, “Alien Technology”, e.g. antigravity, zero point energy etc. as these all allegedly create propulsion by bending/shifting rather than burning fuel as the fuel required for inter-galactic/planetary travel would be astronomical (pun intended) especially when you consider the size of some of the ships, they are smaller than the fuel tanks on the shuttles!!

I know I'm referring to the Alien tech as though it utilizes our tech which it obviously doesn’t i.e. the type of fuel it would use. But for the record I believe UFO’s to either use an as yet unknown (artificial?) element (a la Bob Lazar), or have a machine that creates the propulsion by employing known quantities such as gravity, but have learnt to manipulate it in ways we are just starting to dream of (rather than burning fuel as we know it, which is so 20th century!! grin)

Incidentally, the image reminds me of a jet engine, but with no plane attached (Donnie Darko style…)

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Post by jugement on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:44pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:00pm, Keith wrote:
I had this photo in my "X-Files" archive. It appears to have an object in front of it that looks like one of the drones. Not sure, but thought I'd throw it out to you. If I remember correctly, it was one of those Area 51 posts.

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yet this picture , shows in the back a rocket fire from the rear, so now is this man made? huh
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Post by beenieweenie on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:58pm

Looks like a flying, flaming frying pan.
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Post by Nodnunk on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:58pm

Referring to the drones, Castles4me wrote: "This fuss is this, that we haven't seen anything like this, these are unique sightings..."

This seems to indicate that the drones (if real) are a new type of UFO not seen or reported by the public before the Barksdale AFB, Louisiana - 1987 Airshow. Yet the items in Isaac's inventory page (dated 3Q 1985) are a good match to parts of the Big Basin drone. So where did that hardware in the photo originate?

Some possibilities-
1. The inventory photo is a hoax based on the Big Basin drone photos. Or both are hoaxes.
2. Big Basin type drones have been in our skys for ages but were invisible.
3. They crash every now and then due to some failure mode and were scavanged by the military without public knowledge.
4. They were shot down by the military. This seems unlikely if they were invisible, but perhaps the cloaking does not cover the entire EM spectrum. Therefore they can be discovered under certain conditions while cloaked.
5. The parts were a "gift" from ET in exchange for huh
6. The parts came from known crash sites like Roswell. No drone-like devices were ever reported during that era, only classic flying disks. Perhaps the disks use the same hardware as the drones, but the disks have an outer covering to make them habitable, hiding the hardware.
7. Something else?

What is the likely explanation for Isaac's hardware photo predating the drones?

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Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:59pm

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Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:12pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:58pm, beenieweenie wrote:
Looks like a flying, flaming frying pan.


Say that 3 times fast! cheesy
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:15pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:58pm, Nodnunk wrote:
Referring to the drones, Castles4me wrote: "This fuss is this, that we haven't seen anything like this, these are unique sightings..."

This seems to indicate that the drones (if real) are a new type of UFO not seen or reported by the public before the Barksdale AFB, Louisiana - 1987 Airshow. Yet the items in Isaac's inventory page (dated 3Q 1985) are a good match to parts of the Big Basin drone. So where did that hardware in the photo originate?

Some possibilities-
1. The inventory photo is a hoax based on the Big Basin drone photos. Or both are hoaxes.
2. Big Basin type drones have been in our skys for ages but were invisible.
3. They crash every now and then due to some failure mode and were scavanged by the military without public knowledge.
4. They were shot down by the military. This seems unlikely if they were invisible, but perhaps the cloaking does not cover the entire EM spectrum. Therefore they can be discovered under certain conditions while cloaked.
5. The parts were a "gift" from ET in exchange for huh
6. The parts came from known crash sites like Roswell. No drone-like devices were ever reported during that era, only classic flying disks. Perhaps the disks use the same hardware as the drones, but the disks have an outer covering to make them habitable, hiding the hardware.
7. Something else?

What is the likely explanation for Isaac's hardware photo predating the drones?


According to the Isaac website the answer is 2 and 3.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jlc767 on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:15pm

Looks like some sort of man-made, unmanned drone. Probably for reconnaissance. Doesn't look like anything extraterrestrial or "drone"-related (Big Basin, etc.) to me.

But, yeah, I'd like to see some more images (if there are any).
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:30pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:58pm, Nodnunk wrote:
Some possibilities-
5. The parts were a "gift" from ET in exchange for huh


It's a cookbook! It's a cookbook! grin


on Jul 17th, 2007, 2:58pm, Nodnunk wrote:
6. The parts came from known crash sites like Roswell. No drone-like devices were ever reported during that era, only classic flying disks. Perhaps the disks use the same hardware as the drones, but the disks have an outer covering to make them habitable, hiding the hardware.


Now that begs the question... just what is a classic "flying disk?"

The original sighting by Kenneth Arnold, which “started it all” (described the movement as saucers skipping over water, which coined the phrase flying saucer) but they really looked more like flying wings than disks.

In fact this argument has been used by debunkers to show that people see what they want to see... it was called a flying saucer and that is what people see. I think people, when faced with the indescribable, do the best that they can to explain what they have no language to describe (that is if they are telling the truth).
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:35pm

Too all!

BJ is going to run this thread as an article tomorrow morning in the UFO Casebook website. Now I know I leave things out that might appear to be important to to others - so, let me know on how I can improve the introduction of this thread on page one.
All comments welcome - in my PM.

And, I hope tomorrow brings with it more ideas that we can filter through.

Of course, we also know tomorrow will also bring more 'unhealthy skepticism' and 'debunkers' so mind your P's and Q's, we'll deal with it as we have in the past.

Thanks

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:41pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:30pm, bakosawa wrote:
The original sighting by Kenneth Arnold, which “started it all” (described the movement as saucers skipping over water, which coined the phrase flying saucer) but they really looked more like flying wings than disks.


That "skipping" motion is very much like what was described by the drone witnesses as dragonfly jumping, or the Alabama security guard saying that the tail jumped from one place to another and at times looked like it was in both places at once.

Is this a common trait of UFOs, to jump from one place to another in quantum steps/leaps?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:46pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:18pm, Latitude wrote:
Good find, OTF. That puts one of my concerns to rest too.
Edit to add:
This is a good example of someone who is willing to do the necessary analysis instead of simply posting "it's obvious ....".


Does this mean that Casper go bye bye?
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:56pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:37pm, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
Gottigo (Francine) actually lives in the San Fernando Valley, and her videos are taken towards "Mt. Oat", a former rocketdyne facility.


I could see Vandenburg missles from Orange County so I'm sure she had no problem getting close ups out of the SF Valley.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:57pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 08:40am, urantia606 wrote:
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There appears to be some similar elements to the top of the Drone craft.
Urantia....Dougster

You did "nail it".
This is huge.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:57pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 1:37pm, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
Gottigo (Francine) actually lives in the San Fernando Valley, and her videos are taken towards "Mt. Oat", a former rocketdyne facility. Some of her videos are shot of the top of the mountain, the Nike Missile Test Base #88, and some are shot a little lower. The lower elevation videos are shot at the filming Location for the TV show "The Unit", so I'm not sure what to make of that yet...but she does have several very unusual videos there. She has sent me some photos that I'm checking out as well. I went out there to the base of the mountain last Wednesday (July 11), and, had a strange, if not most likely coincidental experience myself, after shooting 4 images of the missile base, involving a helicopter. I've been talking to Gottigo for about 2 weeks now, and have just begun into investigating the area to see if I can find out more. There is no doubt in my mind that her videos are authentic, as well as her photographs...the question is, which are truly unknowns (and I do believe there are a few), and which can be explained (I'm sure for some of the videos there is a connection to the 'lighting' to what might be being filmed at the time on the set of "The Unit". The entire Santa Susanna mt. range there above Chatsworth has been a site of numerous anomalous reports over the years... many of which I believe are connected to the Aurora project, of which I recently put up a short 'info' report on YouTube about that as well, showing a ...well, a very primative, and quickly made demonstration map of the sightings and the Flight pattern (speculated).

To date, I should point out, since the question might come... none of the photos that I've received appears to be even remotely related to any of the drone photos.

Also, (it's kind of on topic here and off topic) I feel one of her best videos shot is actually on bry3500's page, but it's got some odd stuff...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DH1Das2nPek


If someone you have a chance to revisit these sites, . please look for a zig-zag path like a winding road since those lights traveled very similarly to two cars moving down the hill. The lights even got brighter when they "turned the corner" and shone directly into the camera.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:08pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:57pm, onthefence55 wrote:
If someone you have a chance to revisit these sites, . please look for a zig-zag path like a winding road since those lights traveled very similarly to two cars moving down the hill. The lights even got brighter when they "turned the corner" and shone directly into the camera.



No question about that (the cars.) I went to google earth a few days ago, and took a top view, and there are many dirt roads up there zig zagging... I have almost no doubt that those two lower lights are cars, based mostly on what you stated above... the only light I was kind of mystified by is the one that stays in the sky. If it's a helicopter....it sure doesn't do much, and at that range would be identifiable....if it's an illumination flare, there should be some incindiary discharge... the one thing that I can think of tho, is the installation there is pretty well lit up as well...and that is the lower site, which is a location for the tv show "The Unit"...maybe some tie in there somehow, and that was some pyro involved with the production.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:12pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:56pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I could see Vandenburg missles from Orange County so I'm sure she had no problem getting close ups out of the SF Valley.


Oh the Vandenberg launches are fantastic. I used to live in San Luis Obispo (about 35 miles North of Vandenberg AFB), and every time an atlas or vanguard went up, people would freak out about the contrails....because they would dissipate and glow red at sunset, and think that there was an accident at Diablo Canyon Nuclear power plant nearby.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by wreckage on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:18pm

When I first heard the "Ted Connors" interview, I thought it may not be likely
that there would be enough light at 05:45 to discern unusual characters on the
craft's 'wing'.

After fiddling with Sketchup I realized that "...30 to 40 yards off in the distance..."
is not that far, and neither is "...around, altitude-wise, mabybe 40 to 60 foot...".

So I think it's entirely possible that 'Ted' "...could see these patterns..."
"...just before daylight - the sun was coming up...", depending on the orientation of the
'wing' in relation to 'Ted'.

These images use completely arbitrary sizes; just over 6' for the 'drone body' diameter,
and about 19' for the 'wing' length. Yes, it is all out of proportion and my 'characters' are
twice as big as they should probably be, but the aim was merely to see if unusual characters
were discernable. I think it's possible, even in low light, but still debatable.

Establishing shot for perspective;
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Daylight;
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Dawn;
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..with added 'fog' for good measure;
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by hjdelight on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:20pm

I noticed the same thing with the lights. My thought was kids with flashlights on the hillside though. Someone might check the orientation of the camera in relation to Venus for the one in the sky. Venus is very prominent in California's western sky right now.

HJ
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Juniper on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:21pm

Maybe I am a bit late with my 2cents but just want to share my opinion about the introduced documents as a pro graphic designer.

Isaac´s documents can be done pretty easily in Illustrator and Photoshop. I would personally use lllustrator to apply basic forms and texts and finally run it thru photoshop to make some skewing etc. errors. To remove "too" clean look I would lastly take a copy with lo-quality settings, copy machines tend to make that artificial ink look for documents. Dont forget, using digital tools doesnt mean you cant use old tricks at the same time.

If this was a commissioned project, I would estimate working hours to be roughly 20-30 if excecuted this well. The font set would take 3-5hours alone. Dont know about text, but anyone can count if that takes time or talent very much.

Photos of the objects can be real, I cant imagine why would anyone use 3D programs for stuff that can be made by combining ordinary pieces of scifi toys. I wouldnt, only if the objects werent already available with small tweaks. And as we know, ALL new commercial objects are available in virtual 3D nowadays.

I have no opinion if these are for real or not anyway. Even they were all real they could be taken as fake, one can find errors in ANY photo and documetns eventho that wasnt the case.

I havent checked out any images out in Photoshop so this all is just a quick thought cool




Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:21pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 12:29pm, castles4me wrote:
There is something brewing in the air. I wouldn't go as far as the poster yesterday talking about the war between the Grey's and the Reptilians and the secret underground bunkers, lol BUT -- there very well could be competing alien's. Could be why the decloaking has happened recently. Maybe it wasn't US who decloaked the drones.... it was another alien technology of a different race.


The implication is that the Reptiles have been living in Earth for a long time and the Greys, presumably the visitors, have had a disagreement of sorts and the Greys are here for battle.
If the Reptiles are Earthlings from who knows when, perhaps we should call them the dinosaurs.



Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:25pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:20pm, hjdelight wrote:
I noticed the same thing with the lights. My thought was kids with flashlights on the hillside though. Someone might check the orientation of the camera in relation to Venus for the one in the sky. Venus is very prominent in California's western sky right now.

HJ


If you mean the pink 'orb' light in the sky, from the point that image was taken, the camera would be facing Northeast. Hmm, maybe a separate thread if anyone's interested, since we're kinda getting off topic here, and I don't wanna be accused of hijacking smiley
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Keith on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:40pm

Well, here comes the bad news. I jumped the fence to the hoax side.
http://www.kbvp.com/sites/default/files/images/ChadRajman16Headline%20FAKE_1.preview.jpg

I still have an open mind since I've seen a UFO, but I'm going to expend less time on the drones. If anybody sees where this photo of Chad's isn't fake due to the area pointed out, I'll dive back in. The analysis at the above link explains my position and suspicions.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:44pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 3:35pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Too all!

BJ is going to run this thread as an article tomorrow morning in the UFO Casebook website. Now I know I leave things out that might appear to be important to to others - so, let me know on how I can improve the introduction of this thread on page one.
All comments welcome.

And, I hope tomorrow brings with it more ideas that we can filter through.

Of course, we also know tomorrow will also bring more 'unhealthy skepticism' and 'debunkers' so mind your P's and Q's, we'll deal with it as we have in the past.

Thanks


I'll be sure to be smell nice and have my hair combed.

I may even get my shoes shined.

We'll all be on our best behavour.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:47pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:40pm, Keith wrote:
Well, here comes the bad news. I jumped the fence to the hoax side.
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You need to go back about a hundred pages or so.
It was already solved by one of the members. The wire was demonstrated to be there and not missing.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:48pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:40pm, Keith wrote:
Well, here comes the bad news. I jumped the fence to the hoax side.
http://www.kbvp.com/sites/default/files/images/ChadRajman16Headline%20FAKE_1.preview.jpg

I still have an open mind since I've seen a UFO, but I'm going to expend less time on the drones. If anybody sees where this photo of Chad's isn't fake due to the area pointed out, I'll dive back in. The analysis at the above link explains my position and suspicions.

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The wire is not missingl. It just so happens that the winding covering, which is a lighter color, happens to be showing where it is under the object and is shaded".

Many people have seen and discussed this. Conclusion" not fake at all.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by PawnSacrifice on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:51pm

Are people bothering to read the previous threads? Or just jumping in now and not doing their homework?

On a different note, I saw a video of google earth UFO's. I was wondering if anyones looked around the area on google earth for any drone images? If this was covered in a previous post then I'll go hide away in shame. Just a long shot.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:55pm

OK...

Here it is... don't beat me on this, but this is what I though I was seeing...

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Notice the odd way it is leaning on the left picture... like a toy.

And close up...

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Just my thoughts.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:56pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:08pm, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
... the only light I was kind of mystified by is the one that stays in the sky. If it's a helicopter....it sure doesn't do much, and at that range would be identifiable....if it's an illumination flare, there should be some incindiary discharge... the one thing that I can think of tho, is the installation there is pretty well lit up as well...and that is the lower site, which is a location for the tv show "The Unit"...maybe some tie in there somehow, and that was some pyro involved with the production.


The video is too short. I quite often see airplanes approaching my house for almost 8 minutes staying almost stationary in the sky. With a little more investigation she should have left the camera rolling until the top light disappears, she may have seen it fly right above here with flashing port and starboard lights. Also, a tripod would be a good investment!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:09pm

bakosawa, that's so funny! That was the first thing I thought of, too, but didn't want to add to the debate. But, I really had to stretch for that, and quite honestly I don't see anything extraordinary.

Maybe that's why LMH is holding out on the hi res photos, she wants to run them by George Lucas!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:13pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:47pm, AgentM wrote:
You need to go back about a hundred pages or so.
It was already solved by one of the members. The wire was demonstrated to be there and not missing.

Please use HIGH DEFINITION image before working on any image and before "proving" it is a fake. Working on low definition images is useless and proves nothing.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by hjdelight on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:13pm

That's true. Their landing light is intense. I see planes many miles away heading for John Wayne Airport and their light stays stationary to my POV for a very long time.

HJ
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:27pm

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on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:40pm, Keith wrote:
Well, here comes the bad news. I jumped the fence to the hoax side.


I found it! Here ya go Keith. You can hop back over to the other side of that fence now. This photo once belonged to a skeptic - by the way. He was actually the one in here to prove that it wasn't missing.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Keith on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:48pm

Is there a link to a higher def image? I've been a photographer since the late 50's(oops, there goes my age) and have a fair eye for this- if the quality is good enough to work with. Thanks for digging the post out. It appeared at the top of the page on my third search attempt, so I got it in search right after you uploaded.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:49pm

I need to take a minute to express something that seems to be getting overlooked by all of the back seat graphic artists who are recreating the craft and linguistic elements. I say this as an artist myself - both computer graphics and fine art - having the skills and the technical tools to reproduce something that has already been brought into existence is one thing. Having the creative spark to conceive of and execute something unique, is quite another. Might there be some amazingly creative individuals behind this material? Could be, after all, somebody was behind the design of all those cool Star Wars gadgets. The complexity of this enigma - which is based not only on the craft but on numerous other elements as well, makes this possibility less likely (in my opinion).

Let's not use replication as the measure of truth. Just because someone skilled in CGI design can duplicate something, it in no way means that the original must be fake. I read this argument on other threads and it amazes me that this doesn't get through to some folks. Given enough time and the right equipment a good counterfeiter can run you off a pretty darn convincing $20 bill. That doesn't mean that all $20 bills are counterfeit!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:51pm

On the invisibility front-
The diagram from the MSNBC site needs to be viewed with its caption in mind:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12961080/

Caption: "The black lines in this drawing show the path that light rays would take through a theoretical cloaking device. The device's metamaterial would be patterned in such a way to route the rays around the cloaked sphere."

The inner sphere is the cloaked object, the outer sphere represents the interface beyond which the object is totally cloaked. The light rays represent some of the rays from a point source at infinity impinging on the cloaked object. The rays are bent around the object in such a way that the object casts no shadow. The diagram has nothing to do with the drones.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by hjdelight on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:53pm

Quote:
I need to take a minute to express something that seems to be getting overlooked by all of the back seat graphic artists who are recreating the craft and linguistic elements. I say this as an artist myself - both computer graphics and fine art - having the skills and the technical tools to reproduce something that has already been brought into existence is one thing. Having the creative spark to conceive of and execute something unique, is quite another.


Once again Mark drags the wagon back onto the trail. Very good once again.

HJ
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:03pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:49pm, MarkM wrote:
I need to take a minute to express something that seems to be getting overlooked by all of the back seat graphic artists who are recreating the craft and linguistic elements. I say this as an artist myself - both computer graphics and fine art - having the skills and the technical tools to reproduce something that has already been brought into existence is one thing. Having the creative spark to conceive of and execute something unique, is quite another. Might there be some amazingly creative individuals behind this material? Could be, after all, somebody was behind the design of all those cool Star Wars gadgets. The complexity of this enigma - which is based not only on the craft but on numerous other elements as well, makes this possibility less likely (in my opinion).

Let's not use replication as the measure of truth. Just because someone skilled in CGI design can duplicate something, it in no way means that the original must be fake. I read this argument on other threads and it amazes me that this doesn't get through to some folks. Given enough time and the right equipment a good counterfeiter can run you off a pretty darn convincing $20 bill. That doesn't mean that all $20 bills are counterfeit!


Here here! If you don't mind I may copy your post and throw it at Saladfingers over at OMF.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:08pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:03pm, Latitude wrote:
Here here! If you don't mind I may copy your post and throw it at Saladfingers over at OMF.


I was just now emailing BJ to see if I could use a font smaller then (1) so I could put it in my banner area - grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:08pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:49pm, MarkM wrote:
I need to take a minute to express something that seems to be getting overlooked by all of the back seat graphic artists who are recreating the craft and linguistic elements. I say this as an artist myself - both computer graphics and fine art - having the skills and the technical tools to reproduce something that has already been brought into existence is one thing. Having the creative spark to conceive of and execute something unique, is quite another. Might there be some amazingly creative individuals behind this material? Could be, after all, somebody was behind the design of all those cool Star Wars gadgets. The complexity of this enigma - which is based not only on the craft but on numerous other elements as well, makes this possibility less likely (in my opinion).

Let's not use replication as the measure of truth. Just because someone skilled in CGI design can duplicate something, it in no way means that the original must be fake. I read this argument on other threads and it amazes me that this doesn't get through to some folks. Given enough time and the right equipment a good counterfeiter can run you off a pretty darn convincing $20 bill. That doesn't mean that all $20 bills are counterfeit!


LOL Mark...that was MY post about the $20 bill! Didn't you notice it was by me....the Dougster.

Now you went and hijacked it.....LOL
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:13pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:08pm, urantia606 wrote:
LOL Mark...that was MY post about the $20 bill! Didn't you notice it was by me....the Dougster.Now you went and hijacked it.....LOL


Oh great Urantia! Now Marks a plagiarist and a blackmailer! NOT! ROFL grin grin

Poor Marky. Everybodys been picking on him. The good guys always get picked on Mark.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:14pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:21pm, Juniper wrote:
Isaac´s documents can be done pretty easily in Illustrator and Photoshop. I would personally use lllustrator to apply basic forms and texts and finally run it thru photoshop to make some skewing etc. errors. To remove "too" clean look I would lastly take a copy with lo-quality settings, copy machines tend to make that artificial ink look for documents. Dont forget, using digital tools doesnt mean you cant use old tricks at the same time.

If this was a commissioned project, I would estimate working hours to be roughly 20-30 if excecuted this well. The font set would take 3-5hours alone. Dont know about text, but anyone can count if that takes time or talent very much.


If someone was hoaxing this BIG HUGE laid out hoax....

I don't think that they would make 4 or 5 different kind of drones.

I don't think they would put the parts on the floor that only matched 2 of the drones.

If someone hoaxed this... they would probably only use one type of drone, and the pieces on the floor of the photo would match the one drone. Period.

There wouldn't be 5 different types of drones, and parts on the floor that matched only 2 of the 5 that we could see, with possibilities of even more drone styles. Doesn't make sense. Its real... it's all real.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:15pm

OMG = great minds think alike! it was the first example that came to mind. How bout I make it a $5 bill? wink

Anyway, I think we all pretty much co-authored that point.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:16pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:21pm, Juniper wrote:
Maybe I am a bit late with my 2cents but just want to share my opinion about the introduced documents as a pro graphic designer.

Isaac´s documents can be done pretty easily in Illustrator and Photoshop. I would personally use lllustrator to apply basic forms and texts and finally run it thru photoshop to make some skewing etc. errors. To remove "too" clean look I would lastly take a copy with lo-quality settings, copy machines tend to make that artificial ink look for documents. Dont forget, using digital tools doesnt mean you cant use old tricks at the same time.


We'll be awaiting your example.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:17pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:55pm, bakosawa wrote:
OK...

Here it is... don't beat me on this, but this is what I though I was seeing...

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Notice the odd way it is leaning on the left picture... like a toy.

And close up...

User Image

Just my thoughts.


Good one. It does look like that. I'm just glad I'm not the only one seeing something in there.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:17pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:55pm, bakosawa wrote:
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Begun, the Drone Wars have.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:17pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:20pm, hjdelight wrote:
Someone might check the orientation of the camera in relation to Venus for the one in the sky. Venus is very prominent in California's western sky right now.


The first part of her video showed the object moving rapidly upwards. Venus would have remained stationary for the duration of her short video.
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Post by hjdelight on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:20pm

It's in the wrong direction from Venus anyway.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:20pm

Regarding the CGI artist who has been duplicating the drones - he's extremely talented, no question there. However, I saw the "mushroom" type drone he created from his own imagination (incorporating some elements from the original drone images). There's no way that I would have identified that as anything other than a CGI piece.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:21pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:14pm, castles4me wrote:
If someone was hoaxing this BIG HUGE laid out hoax....

I don't think that they would make 4 or 5 different kind of drones.

I don't think they would put the parts on the floor that only matched 2 of the drones.

If someone hoaxed this... they would probably only use one type of drone, and the pieces on the floor of the photo would match the one drone. Period.

There wouldn't be 5 different types of drones, and parts on the floor that matched only 2 of the 5 that we could see, with possibilities of even more drone styles. Doesn't make sense. Its real... it's all real.


That's it exactly Castle, it's just that nobody wants to look at that issue. Not to mention the timeframes. We've got one in 1987, 1995, 2005, three in 2006, 8 separate accounts in 2007, plus Isaac.

Besides Isaac, there are 14 different sightings of same or similar in 5 different years and most all sightings had more then one witness.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:24pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:20pm, MarkM wrote:
Regarding the CGI artist who has been duplicating the drones - he's extremely talented, no question there. However, I saw the "mushroom" type drone he created from his own imagination (incorporating some elements from the original drone images). There's no way that I would have identified that as anything other than a CGI piece.


That's the problem though, he's too wrapped up in CGI so he thinks only in those terms and doesn't care to look at what Castle just mentioned. He's guilty of unhealthy skepticism is all. He is good at what he does though.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:30pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:09pm, MarkM wrote:
bakosawa, that's so funny! That was the first thing I thought of, too, but didn't want to add to the debate. But, I really had to stretch for that, and quite honestly I don't see anything extraordinary.

Maybe that's why LMH is holding out on the hi res photos, she wants to run them by George Lucas!


Honestly... I was not trying to be funny... that's just the first impression that jumped into my head (I guess I have been watching too much StarWars)... it was more along that inkblot idea. That was what I was seeing there. And who knows, if this is a cosmic joke... this would be appropriate. If not, then this is one weird alien (it can hide in my kid’s toy chest I will never, ever know… the ultimate camouflage).

After seeing this, I thought George was involved. cheesy
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:32pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:51pm, Nodnunk wrote:
On the invisibility front-
The diagram from the MSNBC site needs to be viewed with its caption in mind:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12961080/

Caption: "The black lines in this drawing show the path that light rays would take through a theoretical cloaking device. The device's metamaterial would be patterned in such a way to route the rays around the cloaked sphere."

The inner sphere is the cloaked object, the outer sphere represents the interface beyond which the object is totally cloaked. The light rays represent some of the rays from a point source at infinity impinging on the cloaked object. The rays are bent around the object in such a way that the object casts no shadow. The diagram has nothing to do with the drones.


So are you saying that something could actually be sitting in those drones there within what we thought was an antenna array and we just don't see it. That wouldn't be the kind of of invisibility that we're using certainly since ours is tricks and not technology.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:32pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:42pm, leviathan6 wrote:
This point has been fully discussed at OMF. The wire is not missing. Please see OMF for an exhaustive discussion on this.


Yep. How many of these supposed smoking guns have come and gone? I've seen so many I lost count. All of them were systematically shot down one by one.
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Post by LangLee on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:32pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:33am, AVISITOR wrote:
TEXTPersonally I can't see what all the fuss is about.Different people are saying, "what's this"? and "what's this for"? or "what does this do"? Sure, the probes may be unlike anything that we've encountered before but so what? Haven't we Humans sent probes that look very strange to other Planets and also deep into Space? Why should an "Alien probe" look familiar to us? I would be extremely doubtful about its authenticity if this was the case. Maybe, just maybe, these probes are the forerunners to actual "public contact" as opposed to the contact that the Military and Security Agencies have encountered. The signs are becoming more frequent that something amazing is about to happen. Personally I can't wait for "public contact", it's about time it did happen. I don't think that we, as Humans, are in any great danger from any Alien Race in particular. It's obvious to me that the Aliens are far more advanced than us technologically at least. If they wanted to do us any real harm then I'm sure they would have already done so by now. For all you fatalists out there, "Independance Day" was only a movie.

cool cool cool cool cool


They should meet just regular people (not the guy that said shoot it down, stay away from him), not our so called "Leaders", the Greater Good isn't in their plans.
Whereas I would say, How ya doin', take long to get here ? I know we just met....but can I drive once before you go ?
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:34pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:15pm, MarkM wrote:
OMG = great minds think alike! it was the first example that came to mind. How bout I make it a $5 bill? wink

Anyway, I think we all pretty much co-authored that point.


There just isn't room for two geniuses on this Forum.....LOL
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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:37pm

True - I'll go back into my room now and play with my storm troopers smiley
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Post by syn on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:43pm

I'm having some trouble believing that the isaac documents are genuine classified military documents. The reason for this is they look nothing like classified documents in that they do not have a classification on them anywhere, not even the cover page. In my line of work for the military I deal with classified documents on a daily basis of all commonly known classifications, and I have only seen a small handful of classified documents that do not fit the format used throughout the military.

As Isaac pointed out, this operation was run by military brass and he as a civilian was a subordinate to these men. If the CARET program was/is run by military officers then they would feel most comfortable using the standard format of classification marking used by the military to keep things familiar.

UNCLASSIFIED +/- FOUO documents have green text or text backing.
Confidential - Blue
SECRET - RED
TOP SECRET - Yellow or Orange

There are also numerous additional tags that give you help with discerning who the document is releasable to.

This is an example I found on the web of two SECRET documents. Notice the red lettering and border of the cover. I'm not sure why this picture was allowed to be shot, especially since one of the pilots has his document out of the plastic.

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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:43pm


Begun, the Drone Wars have.

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(sorry, I needed to post that again lol -- for you old timers, this is a play on a line in the Star Wars II Attack of the Clones -- where Master Yoda says "Begun, the Clone Wars have! -- oh and a Clone is what "doll" the boys are playing with there in the drone picture)
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Post by DrDil on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:44pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:55pm, bakosawa wrote:
OK...
Here it is... don't beat me on this, but this is what I though I was seeing...

Sorry to go over old ground but I can’t believe how close that is, the top one is yours with the stormtrooper turned round and the bottom one is the same with the stormtrooper outline (clumsily) dragged over.

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Doesn’t mean much though, and probably says more about the human mind than the image, but intriguing nevertheless!!
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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:56pm

DrDil - you should send that to LMH, maybe she'll finally let go of those hi res photos!
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:58pm

Hi Syn:

Great photo. Say, what about that writing on the blackboard......for gosh sake is that SECRET?

We kinda figure that the place where Isaac worked in the 1980s was set up to feel like a civilian research center with commercial applications. Like real cozy with coffee and donuts by the watercooler.

He says the military waltz in only every three weeks for look see....I'm sure even they wore civilian suits on their visits. They didn't want to spook the guys with the pocket protectors. Hense no classification markings on the doc. All real casual.

The military wanted to get down to brass tacks real fast and get going on the ET materials so they turned to those REAL smart guys in the civilian world.

Of course the military really lured the geeky civilian guys to work there to reverse-engineer alien artifacts so they could use them on MILITARY WEAPONS.

As Isaac said about a fourth of the engineers got fed up and left about the time he did.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:59pm

Maybe we should reexamine the other drones for the Roaming Gnome and Waldo wink!
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:02pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:43pm, syn wrote:
I'm having some trouble believing that the isaac documents are genuine classified military documents. The reason for this is they look nothing like classified documents in that they do not have a classification on them anywhere, not even the cover page. In my line of work for the military I deal with classified documents on a daily basis of all commonly known classifications, and I have only seen a small handful of classified documents that do not fit the format used throughout the military.


I see your point, however there is always exceptions to every rule. Who knows HOW they handled it there at CARET. And, maybe the binder that the documents were in was red with SECRET on it. Doesn't prove a thing.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:05pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:49pm, MarkM wrote:
I need to take a minute to express something that seems to be getting overlooked by all of the back seat graphic artists who are recreating the craft and linguistic elements. I say this as an artist myself - both computer graphics and fine art - having the skills and the technical tools to reproduce something that has already been brought into existence is one thing. Having the creative spark to conceive of and execute something unique, is quite another.



on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:53pm, hjdelight wrote:
Once again Mark drags the wagon back onto the trail. Very good once again.

HJ


This is all good and fine as long as keep in mind that this is really in the realm of opinion and speculation… and that it is not objective evidence or proof.

Just because it would take effort and original thinking does not prove the point one way or the other. There are many simple, easy hoaxes… but some more complex ones too. I recall arguments about how the Ray Santilli alien autopsy film was real and too complex and “how do you keep that many people from talking about it…” and wouldn't that cost a lot of money? Wishful thinking did not make it a fact.

If your goal is prove that this story is true, and you solely depend on ideas, principles and evidence that only supports the truth of this story, then the only type of proof you will find will be those ideas, principles and evidence that appear to prove that you are right. But in the end, it is likely that you will not be standing on solid ground. (By the way… this is the principle and logic on how propaganda works... this is how one is led down the path… never suspecting, not even an inkle, the fact that they have been misled and that they are terribly wrong). One must allow and test to see it is false. If you can not prove that it is false… then it must be true. If you do your homework, then you are guaranteed a sure winner every time.

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Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:06pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:56pm, MarkM wrote:
DrDil - you should send that to LMH, maybe she'll finally let go of those hi res photos!


I already sent it. She's not responding. I think there is a chance she already knew about the figure in the cage. This could be why the hi res pics are not out yet. Kind of like the Isaac papers being blacked out in spots. Too sensitive for public viewing.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:06pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:43pm, syn wrote:
I'm having some trouble believing that the isaac documents are genuine classified military documents.
UNCLASSIFIED +/- FOUO documents have green text or text backing.
Confidential - Blue
SECRET - RED
TOP SECRET - Yellow or Orange


But was that the standard 20 years ago on technical manuals?
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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:12pm

I think we're both pretty much making the same point here. However, I don't think it's "in the realm of speculation or opinion" to state that the ability to replicate something proves that the original something is a fake. Likewise, it doesn't prove that it isn't a fake. An open mind swings both ways. It's the first group, the ones that dismiss validity based on duplication, that I was speaking of.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:14pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:58pm, urantia606 wrote:
We kinda figure that the place where Isaac worked in the 1980s was set up to feel like a civilian research center with commercial applications. Like real cozy with coffee and donuts by the watercooler.

He says the military waltz in only every three weeks for look see....I'm sure even they wore civilian suits on their visits. They didn't want to spook the guys with the pocket protectors. Hense no classification markings on the doc. All real casual.

The military wanted to get down to brass tacks real fast and get going on the ET materials so they turned to those REAL smart guys in the civilian world.

Of course the military really lured the geeky civilian guys to work there to reverse-engineer alien artifacts so they could use them on MILITARY WEAPONS.

As Isaac said about a fourth of the engineers got fed up and left about the time he did.


Yeah, this is the first question that popped into my head when I first read the Isaac website. It would also be my second question to Isaac should he come here.

The entire concept of CARET does not make sense. How could Isaac and all his egghead associates really believe they were working on "Commercial Applications" with military brass overseeing the entire project? But Isaac did mention something about selling the secrets to the private sector and then funneling the money into black projects. Still sounds hokey.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:16pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:59pm, MarkM wrote:
Maybe we should reexamine the other drones for the Roaming Gnome and Waldo wink!


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LMAO
OK -- Isaac we need more real stuff to analyze here lol I'm goin' plumb kookoo.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:19pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:06pm, Latitude wrote:
I already sent it. She's not responding. I think there is a chance she already knew about the figure in the cage. This could be why the hi res pics are not out yet. Kind of like the Isaac papers being blacked out in spots. Too sensitive for public viewing.


Yikes, just thought of something... what if the guy in the cage is NOT alien... but human. I remember posting something in jest on the first thread that it looked like a cage where they could pick up humans (or something to that effect)
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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:19pm

Does anyone know what the highest resolution photo of the BB drone available is?

I think this is just a case of finding an area of lines and shadows and playing a matching game, but I'd like to look at a better one.

This has nothing to do with the "figure", and I know that I'm swimming against the current here, but that's the only one that bothers me (OK I'll shut up now). No, I'm not saying it's a fake so don't throw fireballs at me smiley!
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Post by beenieweenie on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:24pm

It could be nothing, but what the hey - I've seen all kinds of funny stuff in this thread today smiley

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&action=display&num=1183586586

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Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:26pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:43pm, syn wrote:
I'm having some trouble believing that the isaac documents are genuine classified military documents. The reason for this is they look nothing like classified documents in that they do not have a classification on them anywhere, not even the cover page. In my line of work for the military I deal with classified documents on a daily basis of all commonly known classifications, and I have only seen a small handful of classified documents that do not fit the format used throughout the military.



on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:06pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
But was that the standard 20 years ago on technical manuals?
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Just a reminder, Isaac said:

"CARET shined in the way it let us work the way we were used to working. They wanted to recreate as much of the environment we were used to as they could without compromising issues like security. That meant we got free reign to set up our own workflow, internal management structure, style manuals, documentation, and the like. They wanted this to look and feel like private industry, not the militaryThey knew that was how to get the best work out of us, and they were right."

This is a red flag area for me too... the military always works in an orderly and proficient manner… documentation would not get a pass just to make civilians happy. It would be difficult to believe that the report would not be “secured” in some manner.

But anyone can publish any BS… but stick a security rating on it (even fake)… I would imagine you are going to get someone’s unwanted attention.

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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:26pm

I almost forgot - did we get a definitive size on that craft? I was ata clients today, they have mobile production studios (huge trucks). I was standing on a catwalk looking down into the garage (more like a hanger) and the floor was like the one in the parts picture. The squares were about 8' X 8'. If we do have a size estimate we could figure out the size of that "cage". I still lean more towards some kind of energy gathering apartatus, the center needle being a conductor of some type.
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Post by LAU on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:26pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:43pm, syn wrote:
I'm having some trouble believing that the isaac documents are genuine classified military documents. [...]


C'mon! The TOP SECRET stamp & layout is the easiest thing to do!!!
Why wouldn't a hoaxer that had so much trouble and patience, fake the documents and photos so they looked top secret?
It would be the obvious first step!!

If there is no Top Secret in the Isaac docs, then I believe it's a proof THEY ARE REAL.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:30pm

Finally, beenieweenie , about time! Please check out her photos and the story behind them. Look at the close up, doesn't take much imagination to see that, especially the top wires - a very unique profile feature. We might have direct access to a witness yet!

Be nice, guys. It took her awhile to getup the courage to share that smiley.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&action=display&num=1183586586

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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:31pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:24pm, beenieweenie wrote:
It could be nothing, but what the hey - I've seen all kinds of funny stuff in this thread today smiley

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&action=display&num=1183586586

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This is the UFO you saw recently right BW?? It looks like it has a similar shape coming out of the top of it like the drones.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:35pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:26pm, bakosawa wrote:
Just a reminder, Isaac said:

"CARET shined in the way it let us work the way we were used to working. They wanted to recreate as much of the environment we were used to as they could without compromising issues like security. That meant we got free reign to set up our own workflow, internal management structure, style manuals, documentation, and the like. They wanted this to look and feel like private industry, not the militaryThey knew that was how to get the best work out of us, and they were right."

This is a red flag area for me too... the military always works in an orderly and proficient manner? documentation would not get a pass just to make civilians happy. It would be difficult to believe that the report would not be ?secured? in some manner.

But anyone can publish any BS? but stick a security rating on it (even fake)? I would imagine you are going to get someone?s unwanted attention.


I've been in the military and believe me they can do some very weird things.

My guess is that you would never even see a military person 'in uniform' go into the Caret Program offices. Even the guards were not military types.

You never know who may be watching that building.

The whole thing was made to look civilian. Isaac clearly states this.

I don't see the problem with that.
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Post by LangLee on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:41pm

Lagging Langlee here (behind again), just ran across this old piece about O'Hare, it's an off camera conversation with an Anchorman and Report before the live telecast.
Many points of interest in this as far as the response, ect, even the Anchorman is fascinated with the UFO.

I'll catch up now.
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Post by onthefence55 on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:48pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:19pm, MarkM wrote:
Does anyone know what the highest resolution photo of the BB drone available is?

I think this is just a case of finding an area of lines and shadows and playing a matching game, but I'd like to look at a better one.


Most of the Ty Big Basin images are at about 500x340.

The Stephen Big Basin images are all at 2496x1664 although the craft only occupies a small portion of the full image.

This is the best we've seen yet from LMH of the Ty images, so there is obviously more detail than what we've already seen, and that is why everyone is crying and hammering at LMH:

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Post by LangLee on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:51pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:48pm, Keith wrote:
Is there a link to a higher def image? I've been a photographer since the late 50's(oops, there goes my age) and have a fair eye for this- if the quality is good enough to work with. Thanks for digging the post out. It appeared at the top of the page on my third search attempt, so I got it in search right after you uploaded.


Yes,.....

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fovnis-usa.com%2F&langpair=fr|en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

You have to go to the 1st page, it say's
To accelerate a little the posting of this 1st page, the previous days are HERE .........................click the "Here", then 3/4ths the way down the page.

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Post by LangLee on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:00pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:19pm, castles4me wrote:
Yikes, just thought of something... what if the guy in the cage is NOT alien... but human. I remember posting something in jest on the first thread that it looked like a cage where they could pick up humans (or something to that effect)


The french site approximates the BB craft to be minimum of 27 feet tall, that would put the dude at about 6 feet tall.
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Post by todes713 on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:02pm

Has this unusual
acraft ever been seen before?
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Post by syn on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:06pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:02pm, castles4me wrote:
I see your point, however there is always exceptions to every rule. Who knows HOW they handled it there at CARET. And, maybe the binder that the documents were in was red with SECRET on it. Doesn't prove a thing.


Regardless, cover or not, each page of the document should be labeled top and bottom with the classification.

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:06pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
But was that the standard 20 years ago on technical manuals?
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That I can not be sure of, but like I said above regardless of colorful covers each page should still be labelled.
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Post by hjdelight on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:07pm

Quote:
Yikes, just thought of something... what if the guy in the cage is NOT alien... but human. I remember posting something in jest on the first thread that it looked like a cage where they could pick up humans (or something to that effect)


Yikes again. That would make them hunters....not drones. That is unless a man is operating the craft from that position.
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Post by syn on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:13pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:58pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hi Syn:

Great photo. Say, what about that writing on the blackboard......for gosh sake is that SECRET?

We kinda figure that the place where Isaac worked in the 1980s was set up to feel like a civilian research center with commercial applications. Like real cozy with coffee and donuts by the watercooler.

He says the military waltz in only every three weeks for look see....I'm sure even they wore civilian suits on their visits. They didn't want to spook the guys with the pocket protectors. Hense no classification markings on the doc. All real casual.

The military wanted to get down to brass tacks real fast and get going on the ET materials so they turned to those REAL smart guys in the civilian world.

Of course the military really lured the geeky civilian guys to work there to reverse-engineer alien artifacts so they could use them on MILITARY WEAPONS.

As Isaac said about a fourth of the engineers got fed up and left about the time he did.


Interesting points. Sure there are exceptions to every rule(especially in instances where the subject matter is as inordinately as this) and of course my points are purely speculative of the situation. I can see the necessity to tone down the environment to not scare away the brilliant civilian employees, but if I were in charge of the ordeal it would make sense to me to make sure classifications are included top and bottom of ever page to reinforce the sensitivity of the subject matter to these civilian workers with every page they look at. Of course, once again, this is all speculative and of no real value to the case. Just some food for thought.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:14pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:26pm, bakosawa wrote:
Just a reminder, Isaac said:

"CARET shined in the way it let us work the way we were used to working. They wanted to recreate as much of the environment we were used to as they could without compromising issues like security. That meant we got free reign to set up our own workflow, internal management structure, style manuals, documentation, and the like. They wanted this to look and feel like private industry, not the militaryThey knew that was how to get the best work out of us, and they were right."

This is a red flag area for me too... the military always works in an orderly and proficient manner… documentation would not get a pass just to make civilians happy. It would be difficult to believe that the report would not be “secured” in some manner.

But anyone can publish any BS… but stick a security rating on it (even fake)… I would imagine you are going to get someone’s unwanted attention.


on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:35pm, urantia606 wrote:
I've been in the military and believe me they can do some very weird things.

My guess is that you would never even see a military person 'in uniform' go into the Caret Program offices. Even the guards were not military types.

You never know who may be watching that building.

The whole thing was made to look civilian. Isaac clearly states this.

I don't see the problem with that.


I do not see a problem with what you are saying... but isn’t it a bit of double talk to say…

They wanted to recreate as much of the environment we were used to as they could without compromising issues like security. That meant we got free reign to set up our own workflow, internal management structure, style manuals, documentation, and the like.

How do you not compromise security and give a free reign on the manuals and documentation. That is an oxymoron (even for the military). And if we are to believe this well thought out and highly secure military plan (which I find unbelievable)… it ended up with the release of an unmarked “highly classified,” guarded by machine guns, super secret partly blacked out report. Now, if your head is not spinning and you are not doing double takes… then are you really paying attention to this? Are we looking at secrets on the B2… no, never seen them and probably never will. But we are looking at something even more important, more secret, that the military could not figure out how to guard as well… hmmm. Hey, it’s Isaac’s story, he can tell it how he likes.

But it sounds to me like… security was compromised. Isaac is trying to have it both ways, knowing he can not.

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:30pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:24pm, beenieweenie wrote:
It could be nothing, but what the hey - I've seen all kinds of funny stuff in this thread today smiley


http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&action=display&num=1183586586

I went ahead and also sent BJ the picture OnTheFence did up in your thread. Hopefully he hasn't finished your stuff yet. Now that I look at it, it does look a lot like a drone.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:33pm

The second Isaac hit the POST button.....billions of dollars that the military spent on Security went...........poof!

The cat was out of the bag.

Thank you Isaac.....cool dude!%20wink
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:34pm

Oops, too late beenieweenie - it's done. It'll go up on the Internet tomorrow.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/sandiegotworeports.html

He didn't have the photo with the red arrow and I think he wishes he did. I sent it a few minutes ago but he sent me back the above address, which I think means - oh well. Talked to him again, now it sounds like he'll try.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:37pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:33pm, urantia606 wrote:
The second Isaac hit the POST button.....billions of dollars that the military spent on Security went...........poof!

The cat was out of the bag.

Thank you Isaac.....cool dude!%20wink


Urantia - those are our TAX DOLLARS! lol
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:54pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:14pm, bakosawa wrote:
They wanted to recreate as much of the environment we were used to as they could without compromising issues like security.


So, they let them have a bit of a less rigid military setting, one that was more civilian, condusive to allowing genius brains to function. One that they were hoping would keep up with the precursors to silicon valley, the civilian companies that were advancing computer science.

If military were too overbearing and oppressive, you probably couldn't get much number crunching out of them.

so, the documents weren't stamped "SECRET" well.. they already KNEW they were secret lol And, the "Military Muscle" wasn't in stamps on documents, it was waiting at the corners of the halls and frisking everyone that walked out. Maybe they weren't concerned about putting secret on there, when they were making sure no one left with anything secret.

This particular genius who had made it to management level, made out with some papers though. WAY TO GO Isaac! I'd say if he had the intelligence to figure out complex linguistics and the like, he could figure out how to walk out of there with a little sumpin sumpin stuffed down his shirt lol
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:57pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:41pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
YO! FRANCE! Slow down. LOL



LMAO -- hey did they post our Alien in the Cage pictures? Casper?? Stormtroopers?? Waldo?? hehe
No telling what we can post here... and the french will copy........ hmmmm ... let's think of something really interesting to make up lol
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Post by beenieweenie on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:09pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:41pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
YO! FRANCE! Slow down. LOL

Beenieweenie, they stole you away already.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fovnis-usa.com%2F&langpair=fr|en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools



Jeez - they are fast! That's pretty funny.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:09pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:57pm, castles4me wrote:
LMAO -- hey did they post our Alien in the Cage pictures? Casper?? Stormtroopers?? Waldo?? hehe
No telling what we can post here... and the french will copy........ hmmmm ... let's think of something really interesting to make up lol


Oh Castles4me, you just did. I'm just hoping that their English to French translation is better then our French to English translation. Every third or fourth word is weird. grin


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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:12pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:09pm, beenieweenie wrote:
Jeez - they are fast! That's pretty funny.


They're sitting in here as guests. Yo! France! Why don't you come in and register and post in the forum? Don't be afraid of us. We're a lot of fun. Oh, you already know that. lol

Besides, they got it on the Internet first - I mean in something other then a forum. Ours won't fly until morning. I think this was why BJ had a change of heart in adding the arrow photo or OnTheFence's photo or both. We'll see.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/sandiegotworeports.html
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:16pm



Meant to ask you beenie, do you live near a heavily wooded area such as a forest, foothills, etc. Or any military in close proximity?
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Post by castles4me on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:19pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:09pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Oh Castles4me, you just did. I'm just hoping that their English to French translation is better then our French to English translation. Every third or fourth word is weird. grin



but they never quote me sad they always quote Mark lol and onthefence. Oh, and they got Urantia's microwave invisibility pic over there
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Post by beenieweenie on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:34pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:16pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Meant to ask you beenie, do you live near a heavily wooded area such as a forest, foothills, etc. Or any military in close proximity?


I'm in a very urban/heavily populated area - "Hillcrest" about 2-3 miles North of downtown San Diego, maybe 4 miles inland. It's is a big Navy town, Coronado has carriers, there's a sub base & recruit depot at Point Loma, MCAS Miramar is about 20 miles North, Camp Pendleton is about 40 miles. The closest thing to a "wooded area" would be Balboa Park, which is pretty big - about a mile South of me (that's where the zoo is).
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:36pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:19pm, castles4me wrote:
but they never quote me sad they always quote Mark lol and onthefence. Oh, and they got Urantia's microwave invisibility pic over there


Well, Mark's post are so, how do they say it in France, admirablement parlé.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:37pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:34pm, beenieweenie wrote:
I'm in a very urban/heavily populated area - "Hillcrest" about 2-3 miles North of downtown San Diego, maybe 4 miles inland. It's is a big Navy town, Coronado has carriers, there's a sub base & recruit depot at Point Loma, MCAS Miramar is about 20 miles North, Camp Pendleton is about 40 miles. The closest thing to a "wooded area" would be Balboa Park, which is pretty big - about a mile South of me (that's where the zoo is).


What's far for a drone though? Pendleton wouldn't impress them but the nuclear power plant up the road would.

I know right where you're at. Know it very well. I'm a victorian nut so you already know where I stay when I go to San Diego. Besides, I like ghosts. lol
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Post by AgentM on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:38pm

I think that Urantia's post regarding that microwave invisability technique should be considered when discussing the purpose of the top cage of the drones.

It makes perfect sense that it would function as a microwave receiver to enable cloaking. Meaning that it sits on top and the drone receives a steady microwave from somewhere or above.

Issacs featured artifacts seem to be the units responsible for antigrav not for cloaking, maybe the top cage is part of the cloaking system. Possible older technology for ET.

If microwave technology is the basis of their cloaking technique and as previously discussed on this thread there are a variety of manmade and natural sources that could occasionally lead to random uncloaking.


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Post by MarkM on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:58pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 9:38pm, AgentM wrote:
I think that Urantia's post regarding that microwave invisability technique should be considered when discussing the purpose of the top cage of the drones.

It makes perfect sense that it would function as a microwave receiver to enable cloaking. Meaning that it sits on top and the drone receives a steady microwave from somewhere or above.

Issacs featured artifacts seem to be the units responsible for antigrav not for cloaking, maybe the top cage is part of the cloaking system. Possible older technology for ET.


I agree, microwaves are a part of this. It was brought up awhile back - when talking about the possible "mission" of the drones, that they may somehow be used for surveillance. They could actually be intercepting microwave communications.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:02pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:44pm, DrDil wrote:
Sorry to go over old ground but I can’t believe how close that is, the top one is yours with the stormtrooper turned round and the bottom one is the same with the stormtrooper outline (clumsily) dragged over.

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Doesn’t mean much though, and probably says more about the human mind than the image, but intriguing nevertheless!!


It just means that aliens like George Lucas too! smiley
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Post by Marvin on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:34pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:54pm, castles4me wrote:
So, they let them have a bit of a less rigid military setting, one that was more civilian, condusive to allowing genius brains to function. One that they were hoping would keep up with the precursors to silicon valley, the civilian companies that were advancing computer science.

If military were too overbearing and oppressive, you probably couldn't get much number crunching out of them.

so, the documents weren't stamped "SECRET" well.. they already KNEW they were secret lol And, the "Military Muscle" wasn't in stamps on documents, it was waiting at the corners of the halls and frisking everyone that walked out. Maybe they weren't concerned about putting secret on there, when they were making sure no one left with anything secret.

This particular genius who had made it to management level, made out with some papers though. WAY TO GO Isaac! I'd say if he had the intelligence to figure out complex linguistics and the like, he could figure out how to walk out of there with a little sumpin sumpin stuffed down his shirt lol


This paticular genius is telling you on the one hand how secure it was... yet the other hand how he just walked out with the documents and photos(so he is telling you it was not secure). He can not have it both ways. Either they watched him or they did not. His claim is that they did watch him, holding machine guns. So no one noticed him sneek the papers into his pants or walk into the bathroom with papers (and think, gee thats odd) and walk out without them. Nope, no problem here (try that at a department store... and that's not guarded by machine guns). Or am I just...
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:59pm

I now see why Linda Moulton-Howe went the subscriber route. That new isaaccaret website is pulling everything out of her site (as is) - verbatim - and is putting it in their site - either that or it's her site and she bought it from Todd Schwartz. Even the pictures are hers.

Check out these comments on their links.

OpenMindsForum
Great, very respectful, place to obtain intelligent and bleeding edge information on Isaac and the drones.

Oh pooh! He hasn't run into Saladfingers yet.

ufocasebook.com
Great, but sometimes overly uptight, place to find profound thinking related to Isaac and the drones.

OK, which one of me is UPTIGHT !!!! And once again Mark gets all the good ink!

Earthfiles.com
The definitive source for breaking Isaac information.
Well, that's a little obvious - considering. shocked Did you get premission to copy/paste her whole site out of it's present location? LOL


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Post by oljack666 on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:23pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:34pm, bakosawa wrote:
He can not have it both ways. Either they watched him or they did not. guarded by machine guns).


Sure he could. The government runs into this kind of thing many times with contractors that have to be hep to classified and even top secret material sometimes. They can't expect them to do it "their" way but rather let them do their thing the way they do it. I imagine after many of years of trying to get contactors do things like the government wants that the government gave up realizing that these outside companies work better when someone doesn't try to tell them how to run their end of the show or be it, their business. My dad worked for many aerospace companies as a subcontractor and he did his own thing as did the contractor. My dad was involved in a top secret project once too in 1967 or 1968 called Dandelion. They just know to keep their mouth shut is all and they do.

I don't see anything unusual about Isaac's place of employment becoming a bit relaxed after three years. Atmospheres change, especially after you've worked with someone for so long.

There was military with guns but you make it sound like they were pointing them at the employees or something. There was just a presence.

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So no, we're not beating a dead horse. And by the way, that horse isn't dead yet. It's still standing.
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Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:47pm

I've been out of town and not keeping up with this thread. I've read all the posts in the 3rd thread, but I need to go back and read 20 or so pages on #2.

I read someone asking about the size of the inventory parts. I started trying to establish their size based on the tire tracks seen in the photo. This was admittedly a fuzzy method because there is no way to know for sure what kind of vehicle left the tracks. Using "standard" road vehicle widths gave what was probably a very exaggerated size for the parts.

I tried using the Rajman high resolution photos to estimate size. This too required assumptions I cannot prove, such as pole diameter to establish scale.

I have since focused on the "tarmac tiles" to determine size. I've found that military airfields almost always have this pattern of square concrete, and they seem to be a very standard size. From what I have found, and I have looked an over a dozen airbases, they appear to be 20'x20'.

I came to this conclusion based on comparing a known object sitting on the tarmac to the tile. The object I used is an F/A-18 Hornet.

Specifications (F/A-18C Hornet)

* Crew: 1
* Length: 56 ft (17.1 m)
* Wingspan: 40 ft (12.3 m)
* Height: 15 ft 4 in (4.7 m)
* Wing area: 400 ft² (38 m²)

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Feel free to Google Earth as many MILITARY airfields as you like and see if you come to the same conclusion. I have and these tiles appear to be a standard.

Correction concerning this photo. I have since learned the planes are F-15s not F/A-18s.

F-15 Specifications

* Crew: 1
* Length: 63.8 ft (19.44 m)
* Wingspan: 42.8 ft (13 m)
* Height: 18.5 ft (5.6 m)
* Wing area: 608 ft² (56.5 m²)
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Post by Juniper on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:13am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:16pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
We'll be awaiting your example.
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Making things up from scratch vs. replicating an image is a different thing, the latter one is often technically more difficult if matching to the reference image is the ultimate goal.

The methods I mentioned earlier are pretty widely used, although I havent really been into that stuff. However I am into realism so I do see how things could be done.

My point is that one can make a 2D digital document that cant be proven fake based on the visual appearance, nothing else. And I am talking here just about this "languistic primer" documents, not CG/photos.

But I am pretty positively looking forward to see the final outcome of this "enigma", whatever it may be laugh

(As requested by Atrueoriginal, my artportfolio is at www.mattikataja.com, not ufo oriented tho but some samples in oldschool realism anyway)



Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Keith on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:55am

If your using the aircraft published dimensions to gage the size of the concrete sections, you might want to use F-15 numbers.
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Post by beenieweenie on Jul 18th, 2007, 01:53am

undecided Sorry, but the planes in that picture are not FA-18Cs. Have you ever seen the Blue Angels? Check out the wings, especially - maybe try a Google image search for each and you'll see.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by nekitamo on Jul 18th, 2007, 01:54am

Not related to the drone business, but the link was posted in this thread - four pictures in the first of two reports show nothing but a reflection inside the camera of the powerful light source at the bottom of the picture. That's why there was nothing visible to the naked eye. Here's a composite image showing that all reflections have a common reflection axis, even the less bright lamp at the bottom left (visible with light levels adjusted):

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What I'm saying is that you can make a new set of similar images every night, beenieweenie. If truth is what you're after, please try to verify this.


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Post by beenieweenie on Jul 18th, 2007, 02:02am

I've taken literally hundreds of pics, in the same direction - I took several that same night within minutes/seconds before and after these, and I've been taking pics every day & night since - and the object only appeared in those 4 pictures. If I happen to get those same spheres again, I'll be sure to let you know. smiley
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Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 18th, 2007, 02:12am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 01:53am, beenieweenie wrote:
undecided Sorry, but the planes in that picture are not FA-18Cs. Have you ever seen the Blue Angels? Check out the wings, especially - maybe try a Google image search for each and you'll see.



Looks like I was wrong about the model after all. I forgot McDonnell Douglas (now Boeing) made the F-15 and I didn't examine the planes as closely as I should have.

F/A-18s fly from the same place all of the time so that is what I assumed they were. The Boeing plant is very close to where those planes are parked. Those are indeed F-15s from the 131st ANG.

The F-15 has very similar numbers, so the 20'x20' size of the tiles still holds true.

F-15

* Crew: 1
* Length: 63.8 ft (19.44 m)
* Wingspan: 42.8 ft (13 m)
* Height: 18.5 ft (5.6 m)
* Wing area: 608 ft² (56.5 m²)
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Post by nekitamo on Jul 18th, 2007, 02:23am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 02:02am, beenieweenie wrote:
I've taken literally hundreds of pics, in the same direction - I took several that same night within minutes/seconds before and after these, and I've been taking pics every day & night since - and the object only appeared in those 4 pictures. If I happen to get those same spheres again, I'll be sure to let you know. smiley


No need - there are NO SPHERES there, sorry. I can make hundreds of pictures like those myself, thank you.
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Post by Keith on Jul 18th, 2007, 03:02am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 02:12am, WatchingWaiting wrote:
Looks like I was wrong about the model after all. I forgot McDonnell Douglas (now Boeing) made the F-15 and I didn't examine the planes as closely as I should have.

F/A-18s fly from the same place all of the time so that is what I assumed they were. The Boeing plant is very close to where those planes are parked. Those are indeed F-15s from the 131st ANG.

The F-15 has very similar numbers, so the 20'x20' size of the tiles still holds true.

F-15

* Crew: 1
* Length: 63.8 ft (19.44 m)
* Wingspan: 42.8 ft (13 m)
* Height: 18.5 ft (5.6 m)
* Wing area: 608 ft² (56.5 m²)


Cool. Since it took me a while to find and put these photos together, I'll post them. One of the best recognition keys is that the F-18 has canted verticle stabilizers, F-15's are true verticle.

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Post by Keith on Jul 18th, 2007, 03:24am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:13pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
Please use HIGH DEFINITION image before working on any image and before "proving" it is a fake. Working on low definition images is useless and proves nothing.


Would somebody point me to the hi-res image please.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 18th, 2007, 03:34am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:56pm, onthefence55 wrote:
The video is too short. I quite often see airplanes approaching my house for almost 8 minutes staying almost stationary in the sky. With a little more investigation she should have left the camera rolling until the top light disappears, she may have seen it fly right above here with flashing port and starboard lights. Also, a tripod would be a good investment!
on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:13pm, hjdelight wrote:
That's true. Their landing light is intense. I see planes many miles away heading for John Wayne Airport and their light stays stationary to my POV for a very long time.
HJ

The best example I’ve seen for cases of mistaken identity is HERE,

It’s only two minutes long and it’s well worth a watch. BUT YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT ALL!!

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 18th, 2007, 04:14am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 03:24am, Keith wrote:
Would somebody point me to the hi-res image please.
Rajman closed his Flickr account after it was hacked. Just upoaded them for you
here.



Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by HopefulSkeptic on Jul 18th, 2007, 04:21am

This thread grows faster than I can keep up with, so this may have been pointed out before. It occurred to me that Isaac's photos with the white backdrop may have used a mirror.

--the function of the mirror is to give the illusion that the 2 smaller pieces are floating in the air.

--the function of the white backdrop is to minimize the amount of digital retouching needed to conceal artifacts that would make a mirror obvious.

The mirror could've been vertical against a wall, but if it were laying flat on a floor it would've simplified the illusion. So I've rotated the images to show how the scene would appear with a mirror laying on the floor.

To give the illusion that the objects are sitting on the floor, they need to be touching the wall/backdrop as shown in the first photo.

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And to give the illusion that the two smaller objects are floating in mid-air, they're moved away from the wall/backdrop. I've also enlarged smudge lines on the mirror that were apparently made by the larger object being slid across the mirror as it was being put into place.

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I could be wrong. But since all possibilities should be considered, this should be tossed into the mix as well.

Edit: DrDil first pointed this out on 7/7/07


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 18th, 2007, 05:24am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 04:21am, HopefulSkeptic wrote:
I could be wrong. But since all possibilities should be considered, this should be tossed into the mix as well.

Edit: DrDil first pointed this out on 7/7/07


I deleted the last post because I believe you are raising a similar but different aspect, and after re-reading your post I didn't want to detract from it. smiley
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 07:49am

on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:23pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Sure he could. The government runs into this kind of thing many times with contractors that have to be hep to classified and even top secret material sometimes. They can't expect them to do it "their" way but rather let them do their thing the way they do it. I imagine after many of years of trying to get contactors do things like the government wants that the government gave up realizing that these outside companies work better when someone doesn't try to tell them how to run their end of the show or be it, their business. My dad worked for many aerospace companies as a subcontractor and he did his own thing as did the contractor. My dad was involved in a top secret project once too in 1967 or 1968 called Dandelion. They just know to keep their mouth shut is all and they do.

I don't see anything unusual about Isaac's place of employment becoming a bit relaxed after three years. Atmospheres change, especially after you've worked with someone for so long.



Yea, I have worked with these folks too (but I am not related to any). And that is why I find it odd the way Isaac says one thing… how they “changed” things as long as it did not violate security… almost like a casual observer, yet obviously it did violate security if unauthorized materials left the place, by who… Isaac. This is circular reasoning… there was no weakness in security except for the weakness in security, yet security was not violated except when I violated security. This is the way Isaac is telling the story.

Let me ask this… who are these reports written for? How were they disseminated? With no clearance restrictions, they can be passed out as Christmas gifts to the Chinese and Russians. If they had security, then there was someone in charge of it. It was their job to make sure it did not become lax or they would not have a job. The documents would have been protected.

Now the real reason these folks do not discuss this stuff, is that they know that not only their life is in danger, but the lives of their loved ones. Not from our government… but from foreign governments who are willing to do anything to get their hands on a secret like this.

If Isaac is the real deal… Isaac can never go public. Isaac would already know this. That is what would have stopped Isaac from doing this.

This is the main red flag for me to over come. Isaac is either good as dead or a hoax.

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Post by Nodnunk on Jul 18th, 2007, 09:27am

The Q4-86 report:

Here's a guess: Maybe Isaac got ahold of the 2-up galley proofs. Galleys don't have holes punched and maybe not even the classification stamps. The local Publications Department may have returned the galleys to the authors after printing. This doesn't explain the blacked out sections though.

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Post by beenieweenie on Jul 18th, 2007, 09:34am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 02:23am, nekitamo wrote:
No need - there are NO SPHERES there, sorry. I can make hundreds of pictures like those myself, thank you.



If the reddish spherical objects are reflections from my camera, then I would assume/hope that they would show up in the hundreds of nighttime pictures I've taken from the same place (my bedroom window) over the past 2 weeks (since the ones July 3).

I'll keep snapping pictures day & night, and play with all the possible camera settings - I really have tried/hoped to reproduce the spheres, but so far they only showed up in those four pictures on July 3. I think I'll even go across the street tonight and get close-ups of the lights - and devote my evening to trying to get some reflection spheres.

I mean - honestly, I think I would rather that they be reflections, instead of something hovering around outside my bedroom window. LOL



If you don't mind, I would like to keep the discussion of my little spheres in the original thread I posted, just so we don't distract from the Isaac thread (if you don't mind).

Trust me, I really have tried to reproduce them - I'll be especially interested to see what I get when the moon is in the same/similar position again (early August), since it seems that might be the best chance to reproduce what I got July 3.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 09:38am

May be some truth to that because if it's not a hoax and he hangs on to what he still has, they'll try to find him, if they haven't already.

Actually, the best thing for him would be to get it out of his hands then they would have no reason left to harm him, if they would at all - because the rest of the information would already be out there.

I didn't think to mention this previously since it only partly pertains, but when my dad was doing his thing back in 67-70, he was working for Ling Altec Lansing (Ling Electronics) on vibration and acoustic systems used to test space equipment. Ling was contracted by many aerospace companies during those years so I have no idea exactly where my dad was working at the time time of Dandelion. It could have been Hughes Aircraft, McDonnel Douglas, North American Rockwell, Boeing, Autonetics or Lockheed - anywhere actually because he worked at all of those locations and then some while employed by Ling (since purchased by the QualMark Corporation).


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by GForce on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:01am

I have read all 200+ pages on the drone and all the Issac information. I've read your opinions, theories and some wild speculation. And the truth is I still have no idea what it is or even how much truth we actually know. Is Issac real? Are the documents a hoax? I've gone back and forth. While I believe the drone sightings are real based on eyewitness accounts I have a problem accepting the Issac documents verbatim.

What I find the most interesting about this story is: Why so much interest in this subject? What makes the drone and the Issac documents so special? Think about it! The drone looks like a light fixture out of the Golden Cherry Motel. (Yes we have a motel here called the Golden Cherry!) The Issac documents are just that. Documents! We can't say FOR SURE if they're real or not. We can and have debated it. And continue to debate it. But still the greater question is Why is this so special? What makes this more interesting than the O'Hare sighting? It at least made the national news.

This post isn't meant to be critical it is more out of fascination and awe. I haven't posted much on this thread because I'm clueless to what it is. But I have found the responses to be interesting to say the least. My only fear is IF this proves to be a hoax then a lot of people will become disinterested and lose sight of the greater picture. Which is learning the truth about UFOs. I hope you understand this is just my opinion. Actually its more of a non opinion. But keep up the good work I find some of the posts here.....fascinating and informative. Dan
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:15am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:01am, GForce wrote:
What I find the most interesting about this story is: Why so much interest in this subject? What makes the drone and the Issac documents so special? Think about it! The drone looks like a light fixture out of the Golden Cherry Motel. (Yes we have a motel here called the Golden Cherry!) The Issac documents are just that. Documents! We can't say FOR SURE if they're real or not. We can and have debated it. And continue to debate it. But still the greater question is Why is this so special? What makes this more interesting than the O'Hare sighting? It at least made the national news.


Probably because it is the closest thing to disclosure ever.



Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:40am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:15am, onthefence55 wrote:
Probably because it is the closest thing to disclosure ever.
  • Multiple witnesses
  • Clear high definition photos
  • Recent and ongoing dialog and reports from witnesses
  • Nothing to prove hoax yet in 2 months of examinations



There’s something I’ve been wondering about, was there any one point that you can define when you jumped off the fence and landed with both your feet in the, “Field of belief?”

Or was it an amalgamation of the evidence/documents/sightings etc?

If the latter is the case then what was the catalyst to the realization, the straw that broke the camels back?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:46am

Excellent post, Dan. Honest and an accurate assessment of pretty much where things stand at this juncture.

Perhaps the biggest cause of frustration for me is the sense that there are individuals with additional information to share, who - for whatever reason - are not being forthcoming. I'm not saying that their reasons aren't justified, only that things are being held back. For one thing, I find it hard to believe that Isaac (provided that he is still a free man) isn't following all of this interest and investigation. If he wanted an animated response, he got it in spades. Time to take the next step. I also find it difficult to believe that, again, based on the tremendous amount of activity surrounding this, that the two major contacts (players) - Linda Moulton Howe and George Noorey - aren't aggressively pursuing leads. Surely they've turned up something by now! Their sudden silence is very unsettling. As journalists (mainstream or not) they have a responsibility to the public. At least provide updates of what's being done, even if nothing earth shattering has turned up!

I've gotten it down to two scenarios (my own determination only):

1.) This event is real and represents an opportunity for disclosure at a time when the public is more receptive than ever. The lull in information (and media silence) reflects an effort on the part of the government and others to get their ducks in a row before taking that next giant step.

- or -

2.) These are government surveillance craft, built around extraordinary earth based technology (or not). As such, there would be a need to maintain a high level of secrecy. The CARET documents were disseminated as a cover story. Just one more crazy UFO conspiracy that will rage, fizzle and die. Mission accomplished.

I'm hoping that it's number one. This event is long over due.

I'll repeat what I've said before - we've gone about as far as we can with what we have. If Isaac (and others) are truly interested in advancing the cause, a cause that he placed himself in jeopardy to initiate, then there has got to be some follow up - soon.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:55am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:40am, DrDil wrote:
There’s something I’ve been wondering about, was there any one point that you can define when you jumped off the fence and landed with both your feet in the, “Field of belief?”


I'll admit that I was pretty sure it was real from the first time I saw that image on C2C. And almost everything after that has deepened my belief.

There will be a moment of disappointment and embarrassment if/when this is proved to be a hoax. In the meantime I'll just enjoy the ride and keep trying to solve the puzzle.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:55am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:01am, GForce wrote:
What I find the most interesting about this story is: Why so much interest in this subject? What makes the drone and the Issac documents so special? Think about it! The drone looks like a light fixture out of the Golden Cherry Motel. (Yes we have a motel here called the Golden Cherry!)


Let's see what the possibilities are that make this event so special.

1. Disclosure
2. End to biggest government conspiracy
3. Contact with ETs
4. New technologies like free energy
5. Exploration of the Galaxy
6. A real New world order.

But then there's that darn Golden Cherry Motel light fixture thing. Put the kabosh on the whole damn thing. rolleyes

BTW. How is it you are so familiar with the Golden Cherry Motel? Frequent customer? grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:00am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:15am, onthefence55 wrote:
  • Multiple witnesses
  • Clear high definition photos
  • Recent and ongoing dialog and reports from witnesses
  • Nothing to prove hoax yet in 2 months of examinations




Please do not misunderstand what I am saying…

But the same thing could have been said about the 1934 Nessie hoax right up to 1984.

This is not objective evidence. This is opinion.

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:01am, GForce wrote:
I have read all 200+ pages on the drone and all the Issac information. I've read your opinions, theories and some wild speculation. And the truth is I still have no idea what it is or even how much truth we actually know. Is Issac real? Are the documents a hoax? I've gone back and forth. While I believe the drone sightings are real based on eyewitness accounts I have a problem accepting the Issac documents verbatim. Dan


Dan, I think you have hit the nail on the head... assuming that all of the eyewitness accounts are truth (and that someone did not slide something in on us on the sly).

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by GForce on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:02am

Mark I hope it's the first one as well. But what concerns me is there's no new material out from Issac. If there's no new information forth coming them the story will die eventually. When that happen if Issac were to magically reappear with new information THEN I would believe his part IE the documents are a hoax. For me to believe the documents are true I need new information. In other words "I don't want to be played!" It happens a lot. Look at Serpo and how they release information a little at a time. Most believe now it was a hoax. IF Issac is real and iF he is free then he should release everything he has NOW. If not and what he says is true then there's a lot of people looking for him. And if he were caught he has no bargaining chip anyway. So to me it doesn't make sense to sit on it and possibly fail to get it out. That's the main problem I have with him. In other words "Poo or get off the pot!"
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by GForce on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:08am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:55am, Latitude wrote:
BTW. How is it you are so familiar with the Golden Cherry Motel? Frequent customer? grin


I plead the 5th on that one! Actually I think it was in the movie Norma Ray. The movie was filmed around here.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:08am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:01am, GForce wrote:
I've gone back and forth. While I believe the drone sightings are real based on eyewitness accounts I have a problem accepting the Issac documents verbatim.

Strangely enough, I believe that I would lean towards the fact that these were real a lot more if Isaac never released his documents or they are proved to be independent from the drones.

I too struggle with the authenticity of the Isaac episode.

To be honest, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Drone sightings are proved to be conclusive that the Isaac documents are also proved to be an attempt at disinfo to diffuse the full Drone flap.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by GForce on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:15am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:08am, DrDil wrote:
I too struggle with the authenticity of the Isaac episode.
To be honest, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Drone sightings are proved to be conclusive that the Isaac documents are also proved to be an attempt at disinfo to diffuse the full Drone flap.


I'm starting to lean that way as well! Especially IF the drone is proven to be ET in origin. Then it would make sense to put out disinformation to discredit the sightings.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:17am

that's exactly why I offered #2 as an option. It would fit that scenario.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:22am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:55am, onthefence55 wrote:
I'll admit that I was pretty sure it was real from the first time I saw that image on C2C. And almost everything after that has deepened my belief.

There will be a moment of disappointment and embarrassment if/when this is proved to be a hoax. In the meantime I'll just enjoy the ride and keep trying to solve the puzzle.


Me too! But at this point the odds of it being proved a hoax are slim to none in my opinion. It has already been pointed out many times what it would take to be a hoax.

But we are only a couple of voices with the guts to speak our opinions. The poll on OMF is running almost 2 to 1 in favor of real. But there is a very loud minority. The majority are quiet and tend to keep their opinions anonymous. It's indicative of the entire ET question. People are afraid to voice their real feelings regarding the question. I brought up the possibility of the BB drone having an occupant and was pretty much laughed off the forum. This is what happens to witnesses who come forward and is why this case is fighting an uphill battle.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:23am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:17am, MarkM wrote:
that's exactly why I offered #2 as an option. It would fit that scenario.
It’s more like a mixture of both, Drones are proved conclusively real = disclosure (of sorts.) Then the muddy waters would clear ultimately revealing Isaac’s documents as collaboration or corroboration.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by GForce on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:36am

If I based my opinion on just the photo's of the drone, I'd say it was a hoax. The eyewitness testimony is what swayed me. The photo's are too clear, too clean. Almost perfect. The shape of the craft was almost laughable to me at first. I thought someone was trying to pull a fast one. What pushed me towards it being real were the witnesses. What makes me suspect of the Issac documents are they came onto the scene just as the drone story was taking off. The focus became more about the documents and less about the drone. And now Issac has disappeared!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:39am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:22am, Latitude wrote:
People are afraid to voice their real feelings regarding the question. I brought up the possibility of the BB drone having an occupant and was pretty much laughed off the forum. This is what happens to witnesses who come forward and is why this case is fighting an uphill battle.


Latitude - I don't think that it's ridiculous at all to question whether the drones might be piloted. That was one of the reasons why I kept asking those more "in the know" about tarmac how big we were estimating the craft were. If we could establish that firmly (or as much as is possible), that would be a good start. If they're estimated at 2' to 3' then - unless the pilot is extremely tiny, an occupant is a long shot. If, however, they're 20' to 30', there could be several crew members on board.

The question was more about how everyone interpreted the "shape" in the cage. I thought it was fascinating that we all interpreted whatever the area was as something very different. If any of my comments came across as laughing at you, then I'm sincerely sorry. You are one of the most enlightened and energetic participants in this discussion.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by beenieweenie on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:57am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:36am, GForce wrote:
And now Issac has disappeared!


Don't forget, "Isaac" did say:

Any future releases from me will come from the email address I've used to contact Coast to Coast AM, and will be sent to them only. I'd like to make this clear as well to ensure that people can be sure that any future information comes from the same source, although I must be clear: at this time I do not have any future plans for additional information. Time will tell how long I will maintain this policy, but do not expect anything soon. I'd really like to let this information “settle” for a while and see how it goes.

I just wonder
- if C2C gets more info, how long would it take for them to inspect it and release it?
- what does "Isaac" consider as soon, since it took him this long to release anything



Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:01pm

Latitude:

These forums are for the tough.

This is not a place for wimps and you are doing just fine. Don't worry about people laughing at you. After all, we're on stage and we're the stars of this saga on the internet. There are thousands of people who just lurk but you have the courage to make a statement.

I've been talked about on the internet and called names.

So what, I just ignore it and move on.

Even that MarkM guy makes fun of me.


%20grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:03pm

Jeeze - I'm gettin' razzed right and left laugh!!!!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:03pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:59pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:


Earthfiles.com
The definitive source for breaking Isaac information.
Well, that's a little obvious - considering. shocked Did you get premission to copy/paste her whole site out of it's present location? LOL


HIS definitive source anyway. the snake. well - if he gonna call us uptight... might as well call him a snake lol

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by GForce on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:10pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:57am, beenieweenie wrote:
I do not have any future plans for additional information[/b]. Time will tell how long I will maintain this policy, but do not expect anything soon. I'd really like to let this information “settle” for a while and see how it goes. [/i]


Let me state for the record I am a bit of a skeptic. I want to make that clear. What Issac says above or at least how I read it makes me suspect of him and the material. I won't say skeptical since I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt. But surely by now IF WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE then he's either been contacted by government officials or is running from them. In either case it would make sense to release whatever he has NOW before its too late. I feel like a teenage boy being teased by the prom queen. angry
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:10pm

BW - I know what Isaac said, and of course, he's the keeper at the gate as far as letting anything out goes. It's his call. However - he started this. If "truth" is his motivation (why did he sneak the material out if not to share it at some point) and disclosure is his ultimate goal, then he's got to keep this moving forward. To let this fizzle (people have referenced SERPO) is to shoot himself in the foot. If nothing else comes out, short of a virtual plethora of documented sightings, this will most likely go down as a hoax. If he allows that to happen, not only will he have failed in his mission, but he would have damaged the very foundation that he sought to build on.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:17pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:57am, beenieweenie wrote:
I just wonder - if C2C gets more info, how long would it take for them to inspect it and release it? - what does "Isaac" consider as soon, since it took him this long to release anything


Coast to Coast would post it pronto, that's their bread and butter to do so in a timely fashion.

Unfortunately, only Isaac knows the answer to your last querie.

A word from George Noory would be nice even if he hasn't heard from Isaac but we've heard absolutely nothing, which I find very unfair since so many thousands are wondering.

On that note, we have to depend on those who took it upon themselves to research the drones and Isaac. That would be those who were in contact with the original witnesses.

** thought came to my mind **

Be back in a few.
.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:19pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:01pm, urantia606 wrote:
Latitude:

These forums are for the tough.

This is not a place for wimps and you are doing just fine. Don't worry about people laughing at you. After all, we're on stage and we're the stars of this saga on the internet. There are thousands of people who just lurk but you have the courage to make a statement.

I've been talked about on the internet and called names.

So what, I just ignore it and move on.

Even that MarkM guy makes fun of me.


%20grin


I just want to add... hang in there Latitude. Different people are looking at this in different ways...

The example of the four blind men that were examining an elephant…
1. (Feeling a leg) the first man described an elephant is like a column.
2. (Feeling the trunk) the second described an elephant is like a snake.
3. (Feeling the tail) the third described an elephant is like a broom.
4. (Feeling the side) the fourth described an elephant is like a wall.

Individually, the blind men had a puzzle trying to explain the differences in their experience with an elephant. But when you put it all together, they were indeed describing the same animal, an elephant. smiley

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LAU on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:20pm

Remeber ... a lie is best hidden between two truths

The X-Files
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LAU on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:33pm

User Image

My new theory:

If the space shuttle can capture this weird things while in orbit using infra-red cameras, BUT we don't see them happening from down here ... I believe is acceptable to think that this invisibility technology makes crafts invisible only to the human eye, BUT they leak heat in the infra-red spectrum.

So, where can we purchase good+inexpensive infra-red cameras?


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:41pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:15am, GForce wrote:
I'm starting to lean that way as well! Especially IF the drone is proven to be ET in origin. Then it would make sense to put out disinformation to discredit the sightings.


If the attempt by the gov was to discredit the drone sightings with the Isaac documents, they did a poor job. The Isaac documents and photos only solidified everything. I personally would have been less likely to believe the drones were real without the isaac documents.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:44pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:33pm, LAU wrote:
User Image

If the space shuttle can capture this weird things while in orbit using infra-red cameras, BUT we don't see them happening from down here ... I believe is acceptable to think that this invisibility technology makes crafts invisible only to the human eye, BUT they leak heat in the infra-red spectrum.

So, where can we purchase good+inexpensive infra-red cameras?



that's a freaky video.... when did they take those shots??
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:55pm

I came across a way to modify common digital cameras to shoot UV, visible, IR and everything in between depending on the filter you use. You can also shoot full spectrum by using no filters.

Here is a link to a company that will do the conversions. They also have do-it-yourself tutorials.

http://www.lifepixel.com/index.html
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by danblast on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:55pm

And was it in the atmosphere? Leaving orbit?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Keith on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:08pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 04:14am, DrDil wrote:
Rajman closed his Flickr account after it was hacked. Just upoaded them for you
here.




Thank you!!!!!!! The hi-res shot proved the wire is there. You folks are great! I will pull my web site post on that. grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:13pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:55pm, WatchingWaiting wrote:
I came across a way to modify common digital cameras to shoot UV, visible, IR and everything in between depending on the filter you use. You can also shoot full spectrum by using no filters.

Here is a link to a company that will do the conversions. They also have do-it-yourself tutorials.

http://www.lifepixel.com/index.html


Where did you see the Ultra-violet conversion. I'm quite sure that requires a special camera and cannot be done with the standard (IR sensitive filtered) cameras available at your local electronics store.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:20pm

http://www.lifepixel.com/digital-infrared/samples.html

"The advantage of a clear full spectrum conversion is the ability to change filters in front of the lens. You can shoot UV, visible, IR and everything in between depending on the filter you use. So you can achieve all of the above images and more, with appropriate filters."

There is also info in the ordering pages.

"This custom manufactured high quality glass clear filter is a drop in replacement for the original hot mirror filter and is the same filter we use in house. The filter passes UV, visible and infrared wavelengths. Preferred by astronomical & forensic photographers and those who prefer to have one body for both visible, infrared & UV use."
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:24pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:17pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
On that note, we have to depend on those who took it upon themselves to research the drones and Isaac. That would be those who were in contact with the original witnesses.


This waiting game on not only Isaac but the drones as well is ridiculous. On any other subject what one would do is inundate the individual that had original contact with the witness(s) with some type of contact.

We've had hearsay that this person or that person was waiting to get back to so and so, but I think it's time that we ask for some facts directly from the horses' mouth. We deserve at least that.

Below are the original contacts along with their email, phone, fax information - whatever I could locate. I'm not 100% on the MUFON account but fairly certain.

Don't expect someone to do it for you and think that since they are, you don't have to. They're thinking the same thing. Everyone reading this, please send a short email to the addresses below. Use both addresses when writing Coast to Coast. A fax is actually a better tool so if you've got one, send a fax.

Goodluck!

COAST TO COAST
Re: The Mysterious and Elusive Isaac
Re: Bakersfield California – May 6, 2007, by Chad

COAST TO COAST - Contact
George Noory
george@coasttocoastam.com
Lex Lonehood
lex@coasttocoastam.com



MUFON
Re: Lake Tahoe - May 5, 2007 - husband and wife
To the best of my knowledge it was Mufon

MUFON - Contact
HQ@mufon.com
webmaster@mufon.com
Journal Editor: jcarrion@mufon.com
TEL: (888) 817-2220
FAX: (866) 466-9173



EARTHFILES
Re: Capitola - May 15, 2007 - by Rajman and other witnesses
Re: Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Ty and other witnesses
Re: Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Stephen and other witnesses
Re: Birmingham, Alabama - May 2006 - John Smith

EARTHFILES - Contact
Linda Moulton-Howe
earthfiles@earthfiles.com
Fax: 505-797-7908



UFO CASEBOOK
Re: Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Stephen and other witnesses

UFO CASEBOOK - Contact
BJ Booth
ufocasebook@aol.com


Yes, I forewarned BJ just now but I think I know his answer already. Jenny and Stephen contacted BJ first but then went over to the Earthfiles camp a day later. Write him anyway and let's see.

BJ did state this however.

It is quite normal for reporters of these type of events to be so overwhelmed by the initial response, that they shy away from the entire process. They are afraid, intimidated, and just don't want to be involved. This is why so many reports are made anonymously, and why many sightings go unreported.
.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Keith on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:31pm

IR cameras/camcorders:
http://www.maxmax.com/aXRayIRCameras.htm

Many regular camcorders incorporate an IR blocking filter. It really depends on the imaging chip design and sensitivity to the non-visual spectrums. If you allow all spectrums to hit the image sensor, it will produce a fuzzy image. Beyond visual wavelengths focus either in front or behind the visual image plane, thus producing out of focus images on top of the in focus visual image. An IR sensitive camera/camcorder will usually require an IR filter to block the visible spectrum. Stay away from cameras that need an IR light source- it does no good for capturing IR hot objects at a distance.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:43pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:10pm, MarkM wrote:
However - he started this. If "truth" is his motivation (why did he sneak the material out if not to share it at some point) and disclosure is his ultimate goal, then he's got to keep this moving forward.


First of all, he could have taken it just because it was a novelty. I imagine he took it shortly before he left.

Another reason is "just because". He wanted to break the rules that they were so adamant about them following.

He was obviously not totally happy about his environment with armed guards in his midst all day long and there because of the possible actions of an employee and not an outsider. That's like someone telling you, "we don't trust you" and they tell you that every day and through the day just by being in the room. That in itself has got to be a horrible feeling to wear for three years or however long he stayed.
.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by WatchingWaiting on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:46pm

When I have a few spare bucks I'll look at a digital camera conversion. Digital cameras have much higher resolutions than camcorders. Most digital cameras have some kind of video mode that can be used to make movies.

Even though the video modes are typically lower resolution than the full resolution of the stills, most will do 640x480 which is close the the NTSC standard 720x480. Even HD video resolutions of 1920x1080 are only 2MP vs very common and inexpensive digital cameras at 5MP and up.

So if I have only one weapon in my arsenal, it would be a 8-10MP digital camera with a movie mode and the full spectrum conversion. Great high resolution stills, near NTSC quality video, and the option to isolate spectrum or shoot all at once.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:55pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:55pm, WatchingWaiting wrote:
I came across a way to modify common digital cameras to shoot UV, visible, IR and everything in between depending on the filter you use. You can also shoot full spectrum by using no filters.

Here is a link to a company that will do the conversions. They also have do-it-yourself tutorials.

http://www.lifepixel.com/index.html


I actually just bought an infrared filtering lens for my camcorder from ebay. it has that night shot mode, and apparently this filter lets you record during the day.

If you want to modify your digital camera it's pretty easy, especially if you have an older one. Just pop it open and remove the infrared filter and put it back together. Digital cameras are sensitive to IR and all of the ones that i know of have some kind of filter right in back of the lens
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:57pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:43pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
First of all, he could have taken it just because it was a novelty. I imagine he took it shortly before he left.

Another reason is "just because". He wanted to break the rules that they were so adamant about them following.

He was obviously not totally happy about his environment with armed guards in his midst all day long and there because of the possible actions of an employee and not an outsider. That's like someone telling you, "we don't trust you" and they tell you that every day and through the day just by being in the room. That in itself has got to be a horrible feeling to wear for three years or however long he stayed.
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Isaac took the material because he thought he would need it if he ever decided to write about his experience in the future.

"I wanted to do this because I knew the day would come when I would want to write something like this......."
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Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:59pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:43pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
He was obviously not totally happy about his environment with armed guards in his midst all day long and there because of the possible actions of an employee and not an outsider. That's like someone telling you, "we don't trust you" and they tell you that every day and through the day just by being in the room. That in itself has got to be a horrible feeling to wear for three years or however long he stayed.
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Now you are looking at the security level that Isaac was describing (which is why I find it unbelievable that he was able to skip out with the documents)… working in oppressive security. This is the double talk I have been trying to get at... that Isaac has been giving us (now where is that dead horse huh).
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 2:13pm

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Thanks for that Lau. I went on that website (cyberspaceorbit.com) and I found something else as interesting. I've since gone out and found the original youtube.

Please watch this but first let me say that's it's not the one we've previously posted even though it appears as such for the first 30 seconds or so - so stay with it until you see the gentleman (Boyd Bushman) sitting in a chair.

I thought I had seen every post on the subject of antigravity in the forum but maybe I missed this. Weird.

Anti-Gravity Disclosure 01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92_KmTkbfqM

Anti-Gravity Disclosure 02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZMzHTERr-E&mode=related&search=

Boyd Bushman on Anti Gravity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OEMbZEacaw&mode=related&search=

UFO-Electromagnetic Levitation Demonstration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP5JgG1-0jg&mode=related&search=

Of course now I'm having to make sure this isn't a David Sereda hoax. These people all make us work too hard. lol
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by GForce on Jul 18th, 2007, 2:20pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:41pm, castles4me wrote:
If the attempt by the gov was to discredit the drone sightings with the Isaac documents, they did a poor job. The Isaac documents and photos only solidified everything. I personally would have been less likely to believe the drones were real without the isaac documents.


That may be true. But if you believe the Issac documents you would tend to believe the drone was of human origin not alien. What if the government wanted you to think they were ours and not theirs. Food for thought anyway! The government can always come back and say they are power line drones and scoff at the alien connection. Dan
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 2:32pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:59pm, bakosawa wrote:
Now you are looking at the security level that Isaac was describing (which is why I find it unbelievable that he was able to skip out with the documents)… working in oppressive security. This is the double talk I have been trying to get at... that Isaac has been giving us (now where is that dead horse huh).


There's no doubt it existed but like I said (in the post you are referring to, which I think was yesterday), after three years an environment with the same people, day in and day out can get relaxed. Maybe relaxed to a point where some became friends with one another. We don't know but the possibility is certainly there.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 3:36pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 2:32pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
There's no doubt it existed but like I said (in the post you are referring to, which I think was yesterday), after three years an environment with the same people, day in and day out can get relaxed. Maybe relaxed to a point where some became friends with one another. We don't know but the possibility is certainly there.
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(Take the horse away from me, please)... what I am trying to say... and I must be doing a bad job:

It is all about the holes in Isaac's story line. We are way too eager to fill in the holes, sand it and paint it to make it nice... in some cases, make it better than Isaac did. We end up, where we lead ourselves (sometimes back to where we started).... It kind of reminds me of the song there’s a hole in the bucket… how shall I fix it, with straw… with what shall I cut it, an ax… but it is dull, then sharpen it… with what shall I sharpen it, with a stone… how shall I wet it, with water… and how shall I fetch it, with a bucket……... there’s a hole in the bucket………… and no one seem to notice.

I think folks are being too accommodating at helping the story along. Some of the photos may well be real… and I do not suggest that we throw out the baby with the bath water (am I showing my age again?) But I do not believe that we should be going out of our way to help make this story more believable (or less believable)… I suggest that we force Isaac’s story to stand on it own merit.

If it does not stand up… that is not our fault.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 18th, 2007, 3:48pm

¶ "I?m probably in some government file someplace because I ordered the Roswell Report online. You can have a file on yourself too. Just click here. I work at PARC, where we actually get to use a lot of the technology that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-flying-saucer swap that followed Roswell.

I also encountered evidence of alien visitation on my trip to Eastern Europe (see above)"

The quote above is from Dr. Keith Edwards Resume. If anyone thinks he is kidding please post your opinion.

My opinion is that he is NOT joking at all. He did send me an email stating that it was all just a joke.

Keith, my friend....the above quote was not a joke.

Who's kidding who?

Urantia....Dougster

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 3:50pm


No, just another's explanation is all. This is how we learn things though from other's personal experiences, if it's referring to such things as the action of others.

We're not here to pacify, just get it out on the table, which is all we're doing. Nothing more, and no bondo in my back pocket either. I do carry an eraser though, which I wish I could use on that black magic marker on the reports.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 3:58pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 3:48pm, urantia606 wrote:
¶ "I?m probably in some government file someplace because I ordered the Roswell Report online. You can have a file on yourself too. Just click here. I work at PARC, where we actually get to use a lot of the technology that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-flying-saucer swap that followed Roswell.I also encountered evidence of alien visitation on my trip to Eastern Europe (see above)"The quote above is from Dr. Keith Edwards Resume. If anyone thinks he is kidding please post your opinion.My opinion is that he is NOT joking at all. He did send me an email stating that it was all just a joke.Keith, my friend....the above quote was not a joke.Who's kidding who?Urantia....Dougster


LOL, Poor Keith. Everyone's picking on the poor guy Urantia. Forgive him Keith, it's the equivalent of male menopause. grin ; Ole Frenchy even did him in Urantia. grin Keith is probably being mocked by his students about now.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:02pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 3:50pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I do carry an eraser though, which I wish I could use on that black magic marker on the reports.


Amen to that, ATO! If only!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:13pm

I'm not picking on Keith at all. I caught him red handed.

That resume was written whilst he WAS at PARC and he posted it.

He even adds that he found out more info on UFOs while he was on vacation in Europe. He also included photos of this trip to Eastern Europe.

Phd. scientists do not put jokes like that in their CV. They take their knowledge very seriously and they like to tell people their expertise.

Those words in his resume are not a joke.

He tried to slither out of it in his email but he's hardly fooled this one.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:14pm

Though the drone investigation is slow pending new information and much discussion is lateral. I wish to restate my belief that aspects of this case are absolutely real and not a hoax.




Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:21pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 1:24pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
This waiting game on not only Isaac but the drones as well is ridiculous. On any other subject what one would do is inundate the individual that had original contact with the witness(s) with some type of contact.


This to me is the post of the day. You know I have all the patients in the world for Isaac. But sadly I think they already got him. It would be nice for Lex to drop BJ a note letting us know he's still alive.

But what is really starting to bother me is the LMH and the hi res Ty photo situation. How many times have we heard the pics will be uploaded soon? Some may say LMH does not owe us anything. I don't think that is true. Without us (the ufology community) where would she be?

I have sent her a few emails in the past. She even answered one. That was nice of her. But two of my emails that involved the hi res pics have gone unanswered. I know for a fact email sent to her does not get chucked. Could she be employing someone to read her email from her to separate the wheat from the chaff?

I'm ready to call for a campaign to have her fess up about the hi res pics. Enough of this hide and seek!


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Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:30pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:13pm, urantia606 wrote:
I'm not picking on Keith at all. I caught him red handed.

That resume was written whilst he WAS at PARC and he posted it.

He even adds that he found out more info on UFOs while he was on vacation in Europe. He also included photos of this trip to Eastern Europe.

Phd. scientists do not put jokes like that in their CV. They take their knowledge very seriously and they like to tell people their expertise.

Those words in his resume are not a joke.

He tried to slither out of it in his email but he's hardly fooled this one.


Yes. Well that was when he was young and adventurous. Now he's an established professor with a reputation as a grounded thinker to uphold. He can't be getting mixed up with aliens and flying saucers. He'd be kicked out for sure if the scientific establishment found out.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Raf on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:31pm


At this point, I don’t know what to think. I’ll withhold judgement for the time being.

But I’ve got serious doubts and unanswered questions…so I’m thinking there is 50/50 chance of realism vs BS at this point.

Perhaps Isaac would care to comment again?

Raf

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Keith on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:39pm

Although this is an important case, LMH does travel and investigate other issues. She may be burning the candle at too many ends. I'm sure she has an email screener, otherwise she wouldn't get anything done. I'm going trout fishing. Since I live in drone country, I'll take the camera. Never off duty grin
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:43pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:13pm, urantia606 wrote:
I'm not picking on Keith at all. I caught him red handed.That resume was written whilst he WAS at PARC and he posted it.He even adds that he found out more info on UFOs while he was on vacation in Europe. He also included photos of this trip to Eastern Europe.Phd. scientists do not put jokes like that in their CV. They take their knowledge very seriously and they like to tell people their expertise.
Those words in his resume are not a joke.
He tried to slither out of it in his email but he's hardly fooled this one.


The real world is light-hearted though, we sometimes forget since we're not among the working class - unless you are working but I assumed you weren't.

If he was applying for something in government he probably wouldnt' have. Yeah Urantia, he's probably a slitering snake but not the kind with fangs and poisonous venom. We're alright Urantia and if not, I'll protect you! grin rolleyes grin
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:48pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:39pm, Keith wrote:
Although this is an important case, LMH does travel and investigate other issues. She may be burning the candle at too many ends. I'm sure she has an email screener, otherwise she wouldn't get anything done. I'm going trout fishing. Since I live in drone country, I'll take the camera. Never off duty grin


Why do I sense, for the second time in two days, that you know more about LMH that you're not saying?
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:55pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:39pm, Keith wrote:
Although this is an important case, LMH does travel and investigate other issues. She may be burning the candle at too many ends. I'm sure she has an email screener, otherwise she wouldn't get anything done. I'm going trout fishing. Since I live in drone country, I'll take the camera. Never off duty grin


Wish I could. I use to live in Hangtown and was a hop skip and a jump from Tahoe. Then again, I think Big Basin (Saratoga entrance) is the hot set up. Somewhere in thread #2 are a few good website addresses I posted for camping and bicycle trails, which are what Ty and Stephen were on when they got their drone pictures.

If you want to find it easier, do a search for "camping" or "trails". I think I used both words.

Hey Keith, take Latitude he wants to go camping in Big Basin.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:02pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:55pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Wish I could. I use to live in Hangtown and was a hop skip and a jump from Tahoe. Then again, I think Big Basin (Saratoga entrance) is the hot set up. Somewhere in thread #2 are a few good website addresses I posted for camping and bicycle trails, which are what Ty and Stephen were on when they got their drone pictures.

If you want to find it easier, do a search for "camping" or "trails". I think I used both words.

Hey Keith, take Latitude he wants to go camping in Big Basin.
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Yes I would but I think maybe the window of opportunity has past till next May. Is it possible these drones like the weather better in May?

ATO, I know I've said this before but if you or BJ has the email address of Jenna maybe we could get a message to her then Keith and I could arrange for a meeting at Big Basin with Steven?
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:03pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 4:43pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
The real world is light-hearted though, we sometimes forget since we're not among the working class - unless you are working but I assumed you weren't.

If he was applying for something in government he probably wouldnt' have. Yeah Urantia, he's probably a slitering snake but not the kind with fangs and poisonous venom. We're alright Urantia and if not, I'll protect you! grin rolleyes grin
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ATO, you're not making sense to me. I do not understand what your position is about Dr. Edwards CVs.

He says he worked with alien technology on THREE of his resumes.

Yes, I know all about the working world and the manner in which people like to joke around..

I am self employed at my own company. Yes, I work.

Phds do not put that kind of a joke on something as important as their resume.

His email to me was nothing but a awkward cover story.

Could you please tell me exactly what you think of the fact that Dr. Edwards wrote on three of his resumes that he worked on alien tachnology.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:22pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:02pm, Latitude wrote:
Yes I would but I think maybe the window of opportunity has past till next May. Is it possible these drones like the weather better in May?

ATO, I know I've said this before but if you or BJ has the email address of Jenna maybe we could get a message to her then Keith and I could arrange for a meeting at Big Basin with Steven?


I know he has it, or had it but he can't part with that kind of information if they asked him not to. That's not BJ to do so anyway.

So you think that May is their month to drone around then? lol Hey, they're not dragon flys - they're Mayflies. Did you know that the Mayfly is the messengers of hope.


And here, we have the mayfly alien.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nephilim on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:23pm

A couple of things:

Didn't Isaac state that he would wait a couple of months before releasing anything further?

A little patience is called for I think. I would not assume that Isaac has gotten into trouble so quickly. It is difficult sometimes to keep to an overal perspective about this, but if one looks at what has already been given, then we can conclude that this may take several months at least.

Oh, 2nd thing- If they 'cloak' was disrupted, do you think we will see even more drones? If so, then what does this represent?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:25pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:03pm, urantia606 wrote:
ATO, you're not making sense to me. I do not understand what your position is about Dr. Edwards CVs.

He says he worked with alien technology on THREE of his resumes.

Yes, I know all about the working world and the manner in which people like to joke around..

I am self employed at my own company. Yes, I work.

Phds do not put that kind of a joke on something as important as their resume.

His email to me was nothing but a awkward cover story.

Could you please tell me exactly what you think of the fact that Dr. Edwards wrote on three of his resumes that he worked on alien tachnology.


Well, I'm kidding because I didn't really think you were serious. Maybe I missed something back then on him - either that or forgot.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Lok on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:25pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:26pm, bakosawa wrote:
This is a red flag area for me too... the military always works in an orderly and proficient manner… documentation would not get a pass just to make civilians happy. It would be difficult to believe that the report would not be “secured” in some manner.


It was also stated that the purpose behind the project that Isaac was involved with was to use the AT (alien tech) secure a patent and use the tech in commerce.

If the document presents a red flag for me it is in the fact that areas of the document have been blacked out. According to the Earthfiles(?) podcasts, Isaac wrote that PACL did that, not him. Why would an internal brief have blacked-out text unless it was meant to be disclosed.

From what I've read so far, and assuming that this not a hoax, it looks to me that this is an controlled leak and I would like to eventually explain how I've come to reach this conclusion.

BTW, catching up on this subject is a royal pain in the arse. This morning I began reading this thread, it was up to 15 pages then I think, and now it's up to 21 pages in just a few hours. Would it be possible to create a sub-forum for this subject so that we can browse discussions topically? I think that the subject matter warrants it, it would save us much time, and help to focus discussion. I don't mean to pin more work on the mods here and I can easily create a forum for the task if need be, but the audience is here already so it would make sense to expand the forum some imo.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:32pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:23pm, Nephilim wrote:
A couple of things:

Didn't Isaac state that he would wait a couple of months before releasing anything further?

A little patience is called for I think.


OK - I will confess right up front that patience is not one of my virtues. Having gotten that out of the way - what then would his purpose be for staying silent for a month or more?

If his desire really is disclosure, far better to ride the momentum that has already been created than to risk losing some of the support he's gained. He risks his credibility in his silence. By that I mean the sincerity of his mission. Either you're in the fight or you're not.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:35pm

on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:23pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
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And by the way, that horse isn't dead yet. It's still standing.


I didn't want to let this out (with all the activist) so shhhhhhhh.... the horse is dead and lying down... and through sophisticated CGI, we made it look like it was kind of standing up. Let just keep this between you and me.
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Post by onthefence55 on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:44pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:23pm, Nephilim wrote:
Didn't Isaac state that he would wait a couple of months before releasing anything further?


Nothing in his letter about months, only that he has no plans to release anything more. Here is Isaac's quote from his letter:

Quote:
... at this time I do not have any future plans for additional information. Time will tell how long I will maintain this policy, but do not expect anything soon. I'd really like to let this information “settle” for a while and see how it goes. If I find out I'm getting an IRS audit tomorrow, then maybe this wasn't too smart. Until then, I'm going to take it slow. I hope this information has been helpful.



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If they 'cloak' was disrupted, do you think we will see even more drones? If so, then what does this represent?


Yes, I think we'll see more drones, unless they've caught onto the de-cloaking "ray" and taken measures.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:48pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:25pm, Lok wrote:
Would it be possible to create a sub-forum for this subject so that we can browse discussions topically? I think that the subject matter warrants it, it would save us much time, and help to focus discussion. I don't mean to pin more work on the mods here and I can easily create a forum for the task if need be, but the audience is here already so it would make sense to expand the forum some imo.


You're in the basement Lok, there are no more subs. Not even sure if they're available in admin status. Will have to ask. I have a Conforums forum myself but I misplaced my password so I can't look for you. Will ask BJ but it seems to me that this is it for this particular Conforums forum - even though Conforums offers a couple different forums. I emailed BJ.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:55pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:35pm, bakosawa wrote:
I didn't want to let this out (with all the activist) so shhhhhhhh.... the horse is dead and lying down... and through sophisticated CGI, we made it look like it was kind of standing up. Let just keep this between you and me.


No comprende'. Can you give it to us in English. grin

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:56pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:25pm, Lok wrote:
If the document presents a red flag for me it is in the fact that areas of the document have been blacked out. According to the Earthfiles(?) podcasts, Isaac wrote that PACL did that, not him. Why would an internal brief have blacked-out text unless it was meant to be disclosed.



I know this is difficult to keep up with (even I can disavow any I have written earlier)… that was one of many red flags for me to. But I miss that Isaac did not black out these lines… which really throws up a giant Maggie’s Drawers!

The logic of all of the twists and turns and circular logic that we are to suppose to believe (I guess a healthy dose of ignorance is really helpful) is astounding… but for PACL to some how intervene in the report (which they had a free hand) and black out the report… say what? Which of Isaac's story's is correct?

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DdP on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:57pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 3:58pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Speaking of which, Excusez ma traduction de Babelfish, comment allez vous aujourd'hui OVNIS-USA. Avez-vous décidé de venir et visiter avec nous encore? User Image
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Hi,
your Babelfish french is almost correct. At least i got the message.. This place and OMF are my favourites. But i do visit deb***ers' places as well, as part of the job.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:04pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:55pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
No comprende'. Can you give it to us in English. grin

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Waaaaahhhhhhh! cry cry cry

You out CGI'ed me. shocked

grin grin grin
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Post by GForce on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:05pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:32pm, MarkM wrote:
If his desire really is disclosure, far better to ride the momentum that has already been created than to risk losing some of the support he's gained. He risks his credibility in his silence. By that I mean the sincerity of his mission. Either you're in the fight or you're not.


BINGO!!! We have a winner! Not only could he lose support he's gained he could also have G-Men crawling up his keister. Can anyone think of a GOOD reason not to release everything?
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:13pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:04pm, bakosawa wrote:
Waaaaahhhhhhh! cry cry cry

You out CGI'ed me. shocked

grin grin grin


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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:16pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:57pm, DdP wrote:
Hi,
your Babelfish french is almost correct. At least i got the message.. This place and OMF are my favourites. But i do visit deb***ers' places as well, as part of the job.


Welcome! Very glad to have you here in person! You're taller then I remember lol

So are you like the George Noory of France then?

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:17pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:08am, DrDil wrote:
I too struggle with the authenticity of the Isaac episode.



I have a question for those of you who have followed these issues for awhile. The debate between hoax or real fascinates me. I have been curious about past incidents: How does it finally come about that the UFO community agrees on whether something is ultimately a hoax or not? Is it when the flow of information just stops after awhile? ....a general fatigue with a particular episode? ...the disappearance from the forums of the original person who reported something? ...and then, does the incident just sort of float around out there forever, as an unknown?
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Post by Lok on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:24pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:56pm, bakosawa wrote:
I know this is difficult to keep up with (even I can disavow any I have written earlier)… that was one of many red flags for me to. But I miss that Isaac did not black out these lines… which really throws up a giant Maggie’s Drawers!

The logic of all of the twists and turns and circular logic that we are to suppose to believe (I guess a healthy dose of ignorance is really helpful) is astounding… but for PACL to some how intervene in the report (which they had a free hand) and black out the report… say what? Which of Isaac's story's is correct?


Exactly, that struck me as odd. There might be some perfectly acceptable reason for this but none was offered so once again we are left to speculate. At first I misunderstood his letter, I thought that he personally blacked out information, but after re-reading the letter he sent to C2C it became clear that he chose what to disclose, not what to blackout.

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That brings up another point. Isaac clearly stated that future files would be disclosed through C2C and from the same e-mail addy that he used originally. Does this mean that the fortunecity website is an ID hijack? I think there is another .com site with his name too right? But given his statements in the original letter, that would not be him but someone else too. And how about the thread started here in the ufocasebook forum, that would seem to conflict with his previous statements too. Has he revised his policy and if so did he publish that revision *through* C2C?

BTW the podcasts are #17,18, and 19 right? Are there others that I've missed?

And since I'm droning (oh no I didn't) on and on, I'm changing my forum name to Whane The Whip and this will serve as full disclosure to that. cheesy
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:27pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:17pm, starsigndavid wrote:
I have a question for those of you who have followed these issued for awhile. The debate between hoax or real fascinates me. I have been curious about past incidents: How does it finally come about that the UFO community agrees on whether something is ultimately a hoax or not? Is it when the flow of information just stops after awhile? ....a general fatigue with a particular episode? ...the disappearance from the forums of the original person who reported something? ...and then, does the incident just sort of float around out there forever, as an unknown?


David:

Your answer is actually in your question above.

What is always needed are eyewitness accounts and photos help a lot.

Sort of like did George Washington really live. I never saw a photo of him but I did read accounts of people who saw him and his lovely wife Martha. Oh, yes, there are a few 'paintings' of him but no movies, or photos or even a recording of his voice.

So I guess I have to take it all on 'faith'.

See the point?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:37pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:24pm, Whane The Whip wrote:
Does this mean that the fortunecity website is an ID hijack?


No, that's the good address.

Quote:
I think there is another .com site with his name too right? But given his statements in the original letter, that would not be him but someone else too.


If you mean the www.isaaccaret.com - no, that was purchased and sold by - we'll call him for now a website investor however he is the attorney Todd Schwartz who we thought for a while might be an attorney representing Isaac.

Quote:
And how about the thread started here in the ufocasebook forum, that would seem to conflict with his previous statements too. Has he revised his policy and if so did he publish that revision *through* C2C?


Can you clarify?

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BTW the podcasts are #17,18, and 19 right? Are there others that I've missed?


To the best of my knowledge.

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And since I'm droning (oh no I didn't) on and on, I'm changing my forum name to Whane The Whip and this will serve as full disclosure to that. cheesy


Well, you might want to tell them you were previously LOK. grin Why Wayne the Whip? Is that like a bondage thing or what? grin Ask a few members about that since some of them feel that they're in bondage due to this topic holding them slave to it. lol
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:44pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:57pm, DdP wrote:
Hi,
your Babelfish french is almost correct. At least i got the message.. This place and OMF are my favourites. But i do visit deb***ers' places as well, as part of the job.


Ddl:

Welcome to this site. We're all fanatics about the Isaac documents.

But not everyone agrees on everything about them. There's a lot of controversy here. I am sure you have noticed.

Our Moderator ATO does her best to keep the members under control. Sort of like having a room full of cats.

Urantia606....also, dougster, on that other forum.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:44pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:17pm, starsigndavid wrote:
I have a question for those of you who have followed these issued for awhile. The debate between hoax or real fascinates me. I have been curious about past incidents: How does it finally come about that the UFO community agrees on whether something is ultimately a hoax or not? Is it when the flow of information just stops after awhile? ....a general fatigue with a particular episode? ...the disappearance from the forums of the original person who reported something? ...and then, does the incident just sort of float around out there forever, as an unknown?


Besides what Urantia said, which was a great analogy by the way Urantia, it's rare that anything in ufology is ever thoroughly considered a hoax.

As much as the skeptic camps would like to think so, they haven't proved that it is, nor have we, so it's never been debunked, hence it cannot be termed as a hoax.

There are hoaxes certainly but they're usually quite obvious and not riddled with uncertainty like the drones and Isaac are. Then again there have been two hoaxes that I can think of that took quite a bit of time proving such and they were both a real big deal.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:46pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:13pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
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BWAHAHAHA!!! BWAHAHAHA!!! Your killing me... grin grin grin

No I mean it... I am lying there dead. tongue


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Lok on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:56pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:37pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
No, that's the good address.


So this site was up before Isaac contacted C2C and he informed C2C that he registered it? It strikes me as odd that Isaac would feed his story and photo-copies exclusively through C2C when he has a site already.


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Can you clarify?

Judging by your responce probably not, I may have misread a thread and I'll have to go back.

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Well, you might want to tell them you were previously LOK. grin Why Wayne the Whip? Is that like a bondage thing or what? grin Ask a few members about that since some of them feel that they're in bondage due to this topic holding them slave to it. lol
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My signature reads "Formerly Lok" for now. Not that anyone here remembers me as I was never a big poster, but just to clarify. And no I'm not into bondage. Whane The Whip is my gaming name and I've developed an attachment to it. I intend to merge my gaming world with my UFO/Conspiracy/geeky world.

If you *really* wish to know more then you can read this: http://whane.the.whip.googlepages.com/whip
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:57pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:03pm, urantia606 wrote:
He says he worked with alien technology on THREE of his resumes.


Did he show the three resumes or did he say he did that?

I didn't know you worked. I have a 15-year-old and I clean my home, that's all I do anymore. Bored as heck too.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:58pm

Now I have occupant animations!

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:00pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:56pm, Whane The Whip wrote:
So this site was up before Isaac contacted C2C and he informed C2C that he registered it? It strikes me as odd that Isaac would feed his story and photo-copies exclusively through C2C when he has a site already.


The site was up before he emailed C2C because he sent them the website address along with his lengthy email. Due to the type of site he has, there is no way to tell when he registered that site.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:02pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:27pm, urantia606 wrote:
So I guess I have to take it all on 'faith'.

See the point?



Ok, I see. Anal people like me who like to see things nicely resolved and tied up in neat little bundles, after a period of time, better get used to lingering uncertainty! Damn, it is so unlike law and politics, where we debate, advocate, vote and then move on, come Hell or high water, be we right or wrong! Impatience is a VERY bad trait to have where UFOlogy is concerned! wink
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:03pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:58pm, Latitude wrote:
Now I have occupant animations!


Are those drones that big or are the occupants that little. I don't remember Ty or Stephen using the word massive.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:08pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:02pm, starsigndavid wrote:
Ok, I see. Anal people like me who like to see things nicely resolved and tied up in neat little bundles, after a period of time, better get used to lingering uncertainty! Damn, it is so unlike law and politics, where we debate, advocate, vote and then move on, come Hell or high water, be we right or wrong! Impatience is a VERY bad trait to have where UFOlogy is concerned! wink


Expect to linger until doomsday or the day you die, which ever comes first. lol Yeah, there's no walking to the car from the court room and going home on such topics, we'll be droning for a long time. lol

Impatience is probably why so many ufologists have gotten cantankerous and cranky, not to mention burnout over some subjects that are 10, 20 and even 60 years old.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:08pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 2:20pm, GForce wrote:
That may be true. But if you believe the Issac documents you would tend to believe the drone was of human origin not alien. What if the government wanted you to think they were ours and not theirs. Food for thought anyway! The government can always come back and say they are power line drones and scoff at the alien connection. Dan


That's a sherm.
The docs say it's alien tech, hence CARET. Human design maybe but not totally, not human tech powered.
Power Line Drones, that occupy 2 points in space at the same time, that has no visble means of conventional propulsion, that can be invisible.....
Our Govt. has wierd little drones flying around that do these things........but we're building bigger airliners, space capsules based on Apollo technology for future space missions....Starship Orion.......hardly that lol.
Oh yeah, I heard the Govt. say "Mission Accomplished " too........that was how many years ago ?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:11pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:44pm, urantia606 wrote:
Ddl:

Welcome to this site. We're all fanatics about the Isaac documents.

But not everyone agrees on everything about them. There's a lot of controversy here. I am sure you have noticed.

Our Moderator ATO does her best to keep the members under control. Sort of like having a room full of cats.

Urantia606....also, dougster, on that other forum.


The OTHER forum. I hope you're talking about OMF and not the de****er forum. lol I'm in OMF too, which is real obvious this week.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:13pm


It's too quiet. I think Bakosawa is out there creating a CGI on me now.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:21pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:13pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
It's too quiet. I think Bakosawa is out there creating a CGI on me now.


No, no now... go back to my post in the middle of page 22. I would not do such a thing.

I know when I have been beat... fair and square.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:24pm

This is neat, I had to move it in here since we read alot about UFO stealth.

Here is the video and the address with explanation from Valuca is below the video.

Plus, check out Valuca's website - it's AWESOME!, Very professional.


http://pic1.piczo.com/valuca/?g=17494398&cr=1

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1184712332


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:24pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:51pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Here's the a translated version of his website.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://ovnis-usa.com/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dovnis-usa%26hl%3Den



Another thing that makes me uneasy...

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This craft... it is very tied in to the schmatics.

This craft is on a white background... I though that odd that a blue sky is white no matter where you look.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:26pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:03pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Are those drones that big or are the occupants that little. I don't remember Ty or Stephen using the word massive.

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From the Steven report, quote Steven:
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I look up and there is this _huge_ who-knows-what-the-xxx _floating_ in the distance and rotating very slowly and jerkily (is that a word lol) -- almost by reflex I take another shot which is focused in on it this time and go to stand up but practically fall over because I cant even think straight --


Ty referred to the BB craft as the "mothership"

By my calculations the BigBasin craft (I'm not calling this one a drone any more) is over 80 feet long from tip to tip. It's about 40 feet tall and the cage part is about 10 feet tall. This puts our friend at about normal man size.



Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:26pm



Oh, Oh! Bakosawa is teetering on top that fence that we've all experienced.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:34pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:03pm, urantia606 wrote:
He says he worked with alien technology on THREE of his resumes.
His email to me was nothing but a awkward cover story.
Could you please tell me exactly what you think of the fact that Dr. Edwards wrote on three of his resumes that he worked on alien tachnology.


WHO CARES ABOUT KEITH EDWARDS..... Urantia, PLEASE... this isn't Isaac, and who gives a flying flip what he has in his resume huhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuh?
sorry, but this conversation was over LONG ago. rolleyes
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:34pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:26pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Oh, Oh! Bakosawa is teetering on top that fence that we've all experienced.


Where do I get the hi rez pics of BigBasinTy?

And I know... I probably have missed out on this part, can ya guide me to the old debate so I do not waste space here? Pretty please? smiley
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:35pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:26pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Oh, Oh! Bakosawa is teetering on top that fence that we've all experienced.


If only he'd read the Isaac website he would have known this two weeks ago.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DdP on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:35pm

Thxs for the warm welcome. I did translate some of your findings/remarks etc.. MarkM, ATO, Urantia606, BW... Actually a couple of your topics (*) are visited and scanned every hour by a Firefox Plugin tool.
Did you release the report on that "drone with a tripod in a field".. which was supposed to be published the next day or so...?

(*) This one and the San Diego lights.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:38pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:34pm, castles4me wrote:
WHO CARES ABOUT KEITH EDWARDS..... Urantia, PLEASE... this isn't Isaac, and who gives a flying flip what he has in his resume ?
sorry, but this conversation was over LONG ago. rolleyes


A flying flip? lol I don't think Castle's is going to play with us today Urantia. let's take our toys and go home. ROFL grin


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:38pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:34pm, bakosawa wrote:
Where do I get the hi rez pics of BigBasinTy?


Take a number and get in line!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:40pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:35pm, Latitude wrote:
If only he'd read the Isaac website he would have known this two weeks ago.


I have read it twice (if we are talking about the same one)... but it is a squirrel hunt.

Bako go read it again. embarassed

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:40pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:38pm, MarkM wrote:
Take a number and get in line!


You people ready to mobilize the campaign? I'm game!
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Post by MarkM on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:40pm

Welcome DdP! I sent you an email via your website - nice job you're doing smiley!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:41pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:35pm, DdP wrote:
Thxs for the warm welcome. I did translate some of your findings/remarks etc.. MarkM, ATO, Urantia606, BW... Actually a couple of your topics (*) are visited and scanned every hour by a Firefox Plugin tool.

[quote]Did you release the report on that "drone with a tripod in a field".. which was supposed to be published the next day or so...?


I don't remember exactly why but it lost interest and died. Anyone want to kick up the drone with the irrigation head?

Who recalls what? I think I read the word "hoax" a few too many times and gave up on it myself.

I think the drone looks pretty darn good. It was that other piece of equipment that threw us off - thinking at first that it went along with it when it probably doesn't. No location, date or anything else came with this one. It was an anonymous email with no clues.

OnTheFence, what did you come up with distance wise versus the tree, etc. Anything?


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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DdP on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:43pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:38pm, MarkM wrote:
Take a number and get in line!


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You know that's all we got so far.. Sorry, same is on Page 13...
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:44pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:40pm, bakosawa wrote:
I have read it twice (if we are talking about the same one)... but it is a squirrel hunt.

Bako go read it again. embarassed


When he saw the pics of the Big Basin craft he recognized the linguistics that he had worked on. That's what caused him to come forward. He had no doubt in his mind at that point. He said he had never before seen an entire drone.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:47pm

Ok, I read the early part that spoke about the Ty sighting on:

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

So, why is the sky white (please don’t tell me the drone made it disappear).

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:48pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:40pm, bakosawa wrote:
I have read it twice (if we are talking about the same one)... but it is a squirrel hunt.

Bako go read it again. embarassed


What campaign? You're starting to sound like DarkDragons gazillion man march. lol What do you want to do, shy of sending emails to the ones in the post from earlier today?
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:55pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:48pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
What campaign? You're starting to sound like DarkDragons gazillion man march. lol What do you want to do, shy of sending emails to the ones in the post from earlier today?
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I was talking about the campaign to encourage LMH to come clean on the hi res pics. I really don't know how to do it. Maybe somebody might have some ideas on how to go about it. If I email her and ask her about the hi res pics I never hear back.

What should we do? Mass emails? If we had everyone from this forum and OMF emailing her asking for the hi res pics that might kick her in the butt.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:56pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:47pm, bakosawa wrote:
So, why is the sky white (please don’t tell me the drone made it disappear).


This bothered me to when I first saw it, primarily because it made it that much easier to drop in a second image. However, using today as an example, it's been overcast but bright. If I were to take a picture of a plane, the sky would pretty much look like that.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:01pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:58pm, Latitude wrote:
Now I have occupant animations!

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Good work with the Gif!

I would be lock step with you Latitude... but the photo on the right just looks like a toy leaning against a beam to me (why is it stiff and leaning rather than "natural" and free standing)... I just can not shake that image out of my head.

My fear is that someone is going to take credit for faking all of the photos (maybe even claim to be Isaac... saying look, I even poised a toy in the craft… ha ha ha.) when some of these photos may have merit.

Of all of the photos… this one bothers me the most.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:07pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:47pm, bakosawa wrote:
Ok, I read the early part that spoke about the Ty sighting on:

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

So, why is the sky white (please don’t tell me the drone made it disappear).


What makes the sky white in California is smog, the worst kind - photochemcial smog or summer smog - usually the kind you can't see, which is the most dangerous. We had many days like that in Southern California each year.

The State of California just game me this tid bit -"photochemical smog is caused by the action of sunlight on a mixture of hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen. This smog contains secondary pollutants such as ozone, aldehydes and fine particles."

So essentially, it's not like smoke such as from factories - that's a different kind of smog we're use to that is harmful but not as harmful as the other. Smog from smoke is very noticeable as you stand on top of a foot hill or a mountain because you can see the layers. Also, sitting in your car, you can't see three stop lights ahead of you. It's not that kind. It's white.

Big Basin sits next to the Silicon Valley, which could easily be producing photochemical smog but then it would be blown inland eventually due to the off-shore breezes, which kept the Silicon Valley essentially pretty clean for California. The population of Silicon Valley is over 3 million people.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:07pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:47pm, bakosawa wrote:
So, why is the sky white (please don’t tell me the drone made it disappear).


Ok before anybody gets their panties up into a wad, let me explain. Right after the news broke about the Steven sighting, one of the first things I did was to check the weather report for that area. What they had that day is very typical for this coastal area. Fog/overcast lifting and burning off in the afternoon. That's your white sky. Remember that I live out here and have spent much time in the Santa Cruz and San Jose area.

edit to add: Yes ATO is correct that San Jose is very bad for smog I'm sure this was a factor too.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:12pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:40pm, bakosawa wrote:
I have read it twice (if we are talking about the same one)... but it is a squirrel hunt.

Bako go read it again. embarassed


I know what you're going through because I read it more then once too and the memory isn't designed to absorb it all and store it on the first read, or the second. There's just too much so it's more like a "time on the job" kind of thing. That's the other reason that you'll discover over time on the job, you'll absorb more eventually and it'll all take on a new light. Hard to define, but it does happens.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:14pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:34pm, bakosawa wrote:
Where do I get the hi rez pics of BigBasinTy?

And I know... I probably have missed out on this part, can ya guide me to the old debate so I do not waste space here? Pretty please? smiley


This is where but she's not responding.

earthfiles@earthfiles.com


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:20pm

Yea... I have spent a few years there too. Enough to know… that if the smog was that bad looking up, it would blot out the sky... the photographer would be wearing a gas mask. Smog will blot out distant objects along the horizon… but I have never seen it blot the sky above. And the smog is much better now that it was 30 years ago.

Fog is a possibility… the shading or shadowing on the craft looks fog like… but the trees appear to be in direct sun light. Check out the dark shadows and bright green sun lit areas. You folks are the experts in this area but the trees look awful detailed and bright for being in the fog… especially that is thick enough to blot out the sky to make it white.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:20pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:41pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
OnTheFence, what did you come up with distance wise versus the tree, etc. Anything?


Nothing useful as far as distance, just the usual hoax/real test for shadows etc. Finally gave up because of lack of story behind it.

The crafts ring is a bit thicker than the Chad or Raj crafts so that made it look fake to me along with the almost perfectly centered foreground object.

I felt that it most likely was someone testing to see if they can pull of a hoax and see how gullible we all are.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:23pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:20pm, onthefence55 wrote:
Nothing useful as far as distance, just the usual hoax/real test for shadows etc. Finally gave up because of lack of story behind it.

The crafts ring is a bit thicker than the Chad or Raj crafts so that made it look fake to me along with the almost perfectly centered foreground object.

I felt that it most likely was someone testing to see if they can pull of a hoax and see how gullible we all are.


The "feelers" on top are different in shape to, if I may add.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:28pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:02pm, starsigndavid wrote:
Ok, I see. Anal people like me who like to see things nicely resolved and tied up in neat little bundles, after a period of time, better get used to lingering uncertainty! Damn, it is so unlike law and politics, where we debate, advocate, vote and then move on, come Hell or high water, be we right or wrong! Impatience is a VERY bad trait to have where UFOlogy is concerned! wink


David:

One of the BIG problems on the UFO scene is that when you have eyewitness accounts, photos, films is this:

A LOT of people do not believe even when they see the evidence.

To understand that we have been VISITED by beings from outer space, for us, there's no MAYBE about it. UFOs are REAL.

You're one of those that believe.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:35pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:07pm, Latitude wrote:
Ok before anybody gets their panties up into a wad, let me explain. Right after the news broke about the Steven sighting, one of the first things I did was to check the weather report for that area. What they had that day is very typical for this coastal area. Fog/overcast lifting and burning off in the afternoon. That's your white sky. Remember that I live out here and have spent much time in the Santa Cruz and San Jose area.

edit to add: Yes ATO is correct that San Jose is very bad for smog I'm sure this was a factor too.


Fog is the first thing someone would assume but the trees are fairly visible so the fog would have been moving out. Just the same, remnants of fog mince with a photochemical smog and you'll have an extremely white sky. That's what makes it so much worse too for the Central California people because the fog is a carrier for photochemical smog.

You can see a photochemical smog in the following picture. Look at the foothill in the background. It's not green like it should be normally. And, it's not smokey brown either like a regular smog.

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Post by AgentM on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:36pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:41pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I don't remember exactly why but it lost interest and died. Anyone want to kick up the drone with the irrigation head?


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When I look closely the air around the drone seems to be seperated in red and blue rings? Is that just my screen or is it really there. I saw a photo once of a similar affect around a microwave tower in the california hills I believe it was.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:37pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:34pm, castles4me wrote:
WHO CARES ABOUT KEITH EDWARDS..... Urantia, PLEASE... this isn't Isaac, and who gives a flying flip what he has in his resume huhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuh?
sorry, but this conversation was over LONG ago. rolleyes


Hey Castles.....you've been at this quite a bit the last three weeks.

Maybe try to take a half day off and get some chores done, get some fresh air/sunshine or have some iced tea and cookies.

I'm worried you're a bit over worked on the Forum thing.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:40pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:35pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Fog is the first thing someone would assume but the trees are fairly visible so the fog would have been moving out. Just the same, remnants of fog mince with a photochemical smog and you'll have an extremely white sky. That's what makes it so much worse too for the Central California people because the fog is a carrier for photochemical smog.

You can see a photochemical smog in the following picture. Look at the foothill in the background. It's not green like it should be normally. And, it's not smokey brown either like a regular smog.




ATO: Your analysis is 100% correct about the weird effect that photo-chemical smog gives to things in the distance.

That's why the Ty photos look the way they do, IMO.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:45pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:35pm, DdP wrote:
Thxs for the warm welcome. I did translate some of your findings/remarks etc.. MarkM, ATO, Urantia606, BW... Actually a couple of your topics (*) are visited and scanned every hour by a Firefox Plugin tool.
Did you release the report on that "drone with a tripod in a field".. which was supposed to be published the next day or so...?

(*) This one and the San Diego lights.


San Diego lights - you must be speaking of beenie weenie.

Good luck with your site across the big pond and keep plugging away DdP. grin grin
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Post by StayFocused on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:53pm

I think it's about time we all started lobbying LMH for more info on this thing.

She's been promoting this event, profiting from it and keeping key evidence to herself (like the high res image).

I don't believe that she's too busy with other stories to focus on this one. How is a fable about a cow eating crab-scorpion alien more important than this?

Many of her reports tend to be quite vague and lack any relevant references or evidence. For example, the report about mutilated kangaroos in Australia. She intentionally omitted the fact that the kangaroos were savagely beaten to death - not surgically sliced up. So why omit the facts and present the story as if it were alien cattle mutiliation on kangaroos?


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Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:01pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:55pm, Latitude wrote:
I was talking about the campaign to encourage LMH to come clean on the hi res pics. I really don't know how to do it. Maybe somebody might have some ideas on how to go about it. If I email her and ask her about the hi res pics I never hear back.

What should we do? Mass emails? If we had everyone from this forum and OMF emailing her asking for the hi res pics that might kick her in the butt.


Absolutely, why not?

I thought about something else on that white sky - a few things actually.
For that matter, the sky could simply be white because of what he was doing with the camera and what kind it was. I think we've all taken those kinds of shots before. It almost reminds me of a disposable camera. I went on vacation last summer for 24 days and I filled up two camera cards so I bought 12 disposable cameras for the rest of the trip. I have probably 48 pictures similar to TY's. Wonder if it was from a disposable and they were scanned up and then sent to LMH.

I don't see a type of camera mentioned in Tys article. You know what else, Ty had emailed her those originals. I wonder if she accidentally deleted that email, which is why she's not answering emails from people asking her for the high res pix.

As well, LMH claims that she scanned his pictures too. She could have created a whiter background herself.

No, Latitude - we don't kick butts. Especially a lady's butt.
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Post by AgentM on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:04pm

Latitude,
With all the effort you have put into enhancing images of the drone and the Issac artifact I would like to petition you to spend a bit more of your time on the device in the field. In particular I am interested in how the legs are attached. Looking for any trace of humanity.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:09pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:37pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hey Castles.....you've been at this quite a bit the last three weeks.

Maybe try to take a half day off and get some chores done, get some fresh air/sunshine or have some iced tea and cookies.

I'm worried you're a bit over worked on the Forum thing.


Oh, oh! You don't tell a woman to do some chores Urantia. You in big trouble now dude. She's going to have dinner and have you for desert tonight. LOL grin grin
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Post by StayFocused on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:10pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:01pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Absolutely, why not?

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OK, let's start spamming! Could somebody more familiar with the history of that image put together a template email for us to copy from?

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:13pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:10pm, StayFocused wrote:
OK, let's start spamming! Could somebody more familiar with the history of that image put together a template email for us to copy from?


Ok, working on them. In the case on LMH, should I ask her if she scanned them up or down. That could be a possibility that she scanned them up. He mailed her printed photos so we really don't know what size they were when she got them.

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Post by Lok on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:14pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:28pm, urantia606 wrote:
David:

One of the BIG problems on the UFO scene is that when you have eyewitness accounts, photos, films is this:

A LOT of people do not believe even when they see the evidence.

You're one of those that believe.


A photo is not necessarily evidence, the same can be said of video and in fact we know that there are already at least two fake videos manufactured of the drone images. I study stories found on ancient tablets, I believe that many of those stories are historically accurate and literal but many others do not. Just because those stories are set in stone does not mean the story is real. Just because you see a drone in a photo does not mean there is really a drone.

In reference to the sky being white, it could be related to the camera settings too. Here are two shots I took recently after reading debates on one of the drone photos. The first shot is set in auto-mode for the camera I'm using. In the second shot I brightened the image some. You can see the camera settings by clicking on the "show exif data" link beneath the photo.

http://s190.photobucket.com/albums/z305/whanethewhip/?action=view¤t=P7050036.jpg

http://s190.photobucket.com/albums/z305/whanethewhip/?action=view¤t=P7050037.jpg

Oh, and this reminds me. There were some complaints voiced over lack of .raw image files in another thread. Bear in mind that new digital cameras save in the standard jpeg exif standard. Image loss of jpg's can be minimized to 1% by changing the compression settings. One can also just save the photo as a .png.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:18pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:04pm, AgentM wrote:
Latitude,
With all the effort you have put into enhancing images of the drone and the Issac artifact I would like to petition you to spend a bit more of your time on the device in the field. In particular I am interested in how the legs are attached. Looking for any trace of humanity.


I'm glad you brought this up. I don't know how far I can go with these low res pics. But from what I'm seeing so far.... sit down cause this is where it gets weird... the leg that I am seeing does not look human. It looks almost dog legged, like it bends the wrong way.

But this is only guessing. I badly need those hi res pics.


edit to add:
oops. I thought you were talking about the stormtrooper in the cage. About the tripod. It looks like standard military type issue to me.
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Post by StayFocused on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:20pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:13pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Is that like a hint?


No it's a sincere request - otherwise my email is going to read something like this:

Yo Linda!

Why you gotta be holdin' out on us ufo peeps with that high res pic of the drones?!

Hook a brother up!

PS - That story with the crab alien was hot diggity!

Peace.





Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:24pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:01pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Absolutely, why not?

No, Latitude - we don't kick butts. Especially a lady's butt.
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Let's do it then.

Only a figure of speech wink
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Post by leviathan6 on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:35pm

BTW, is the drone landing or taking off from the cone at the top of the tripodhuh
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Post by MarkM on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:38pm

Well, this is the first drone with a trailer hitch apparently. Must be the family vacation model.

The gadget in the front is definitely not on the ground - sometimes it is exactly what it looks like it is, floating. So it was either stuck in the foreground for some unknown reason (creative license, who knows) or the implication by anonymous is that the drone is somehow levitating it. Magnetic field perhaps.

The "crown" on the top is much chunkier as well.

Whoever mentioned the reddish pixels when zooming in was right, I got that as well.

I don't know, I blew it off when I saw and I'm inclined to keep blowing.
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Post by leviathan6 on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:40pm

OK
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Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:49pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:35pm, leviathan6 wrote:
BTW, is the drone landing or taking off from the cone at the top of the tripodhuh


Thinking way outside the box here.

Is it possible the tripod device is the decloaker?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:51pm

The thing that is a tad interesting, is that the chunkier body and top wires - if you took off the trailer and assumed the "wing" was in the back - create a profile that looks a bit like Beenieweenies object.

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But I think I'm wandering dangerously close to stormtrooper in the cage territory with that observation wink
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Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:55pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:38pm, MarkM wrote:
Well, this is the first drone with a trailer hitch apparently. Must be the family vacation model.

The gadget in the front is definitely not on the ground - sometimes it is exactly what it looks like it is, floating. So it was either stuck in the foreground for some unknown reason (creative license, who knows) or the implication by anonymous is that the drone is somehow levitating it. Magnetic field perhaps.

The "crown" on the top is much chunkier as well.

Whoever mentioned the reddish pixels when zooming in was right, I got that as well.

I don't know, I blew it off when I saw and I'm inclined to keep blowing.


Ok. I can't tell how legit this photo is. But if I was to speculate ...

When I first saw the pic I too did not like the wires at the top which looked stockier. But then I examined it more and thought that maybe this is only an optical illusion due to the perspective. It looks like the object is tilted back away from the camera. Would this angle be enough to make the wires appear wrongly?

Second is the tripod thing. It does not look like it's floating to me. It looks like it's resting on a hill in about foot tall grass.

But what really kills this photo is there is no report with it.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:19pm

I noticed that the fog seems to hug the drone. There is blue sky above, there is blue sky to the right and there is blue sky to the left. Hmmmm.

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When I play with the gamma on this picture…

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I see a halo of lightness with the craft in the center. One sees fog, I see a craft always placed on a white field.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:29pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:01pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
. Wonder if it was from a disposable and they were scanned up and then sent to LMH.

I don't see a type of camera mentioned in Tys article. You know what else, Ty had emailed her those originals. I wonder if she accidentally deleted that email, which is why she's not answering emails from people asking her for the high res pix.

As well, LMH claims that she scanned his pictures too. She could have created a whiter background herself.

No, Latitude - we don't kick butts. Especially a lady's butt.
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In her email to me she said that she received the pictures and a typed letter in the snail mail from Ty. She also has his email address but he's not responding. So it's highly possible that she received actual photograghs from a film camera and Ty has the negatives.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:30pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:19pm, bakosawa wrote:
I noticed that the fog seems to hug the drone. There is blue sky above, there is blue sky to the right and there is blue sky to the left. Hmmmm.

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First of all, that is not one of the white pictures that you were commenting on. You were commenting on Ty's pictures seen here.
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment

The one you posted above is Stephen's picture posted here.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

So you need to look at all of them and start over again because Stephen's skys have a lot of blue in them except for only one that looks like Tys sky.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:34pm

Also, and this is important - Ty said the cycling group saw the bizarre aerial object three times on June 5, 2007. He took pictures two of the three times so these were two different locations and not one. It's sort of funny but Stephen is the photography student and Ty's not but Ty's picture is much clearer.

Stephen's white sky
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Ty's white sky
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Same day, same location (Big Basin), different area and probably different timeframes but we don't know what they were.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:43pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:41pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
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I think I posted this before.... if we were to determine that the item on the ground WAS real (which it looks totally off because of the "pads" -- it looks like it could possibly be some type of magnetron.

It doesn't look as crisp and clean as the other alien tech. It could be that the drone is checking out something that is human-made.

This drone doesn't match any that we have so far, though, is that correct? It has a round thing on the tail !! I think that is significant.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:47pm

You are correct... but Steven's have the same common affect...

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Any guesses why his drone is creating a whiter background?
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Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:51pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:34pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Same day, same location (Big Basin), different area and probably different timeframes but we don't know what they were.
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We don't know if they were different time frames. For all we know both photographers could have been snapping pictures at the same time from different vantage points. Remember that the craft was only visible for a few minutes.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:53pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:20pm, StayFocused wrote:
No it's a sincere request - otherwise my email is going to read something like this:

Yo Linda!

Why you gotta be holdin' out on us ufo peeps with that high res pic of the drones?!

Hook a brother up!

PS - That story with the crab alien was hot diggity!

Peace.


I'll put that email together tomorrow morning with my coffee when I'm fresh. I'm draggin a little and can't think right now. Not well enough anyway.

I was thinking about a different email for all three locations - MUFON, C2C and Earthfiles.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:57pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:37pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hey Castles.....you've been at this quite a bit the last three weeks.

Maybe try to take a half day off and get some chores done, get some fresh air/sunshine or have some iced tea and cookies.

I'm worried you're a bit over worked on the Forum thing.


lol How long or how much I have been on the forum has nothing to do with how annoying it is when someone keeps mentioning Keith Edwards -- he has absolutely nothing to do with this forum.

Oh, and my chores are done, clothes washed, kids fed... worked a full week, volunteered at church AND I still had time to see what was already ruled out on the forum two weeks ago lol

Also, I am not going to allow myself to be patronized. And, I would appreciate a more direct approach instead of planting insults within niceties.

Urantia, don't get me wrong...I really am not trying to cause an argument... I just am tired of hearing some of the same things come around the bush again and again.

I actually will be going on vacation soon -- to the coast... but definitely NOT because you suggested anything LMAO -- Vacationing with family.

I'm gonna miss yall.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:57pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:47pm, bakosawa wrote:
You are correct... but Steven's have the same common affect...

Any guesses why his drone is creating a whiter background?


The Shadowwwww knows. lol Heck if I know. We need the photo guys back again.

Not to complicate the issue but Tys went through a scanner because he supplied 'printed' photos to LMH via post office, not via download. She even admitted to modifying them for clarity.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:02pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:20pm, StayFocused wrote:
No it's a sincere request - otherwise my email is going to read something like this:

Yo Linda!

Why you gotta be holdin' out on us ufo peeps with that high res pic of the drones?!

Hook a brother up!

PS - That story with the crab alien was hot diggity!

Peace.


That "almost" sounded "street" til you got to the hot diggity part LMAO
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:16pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:47pm, bakosawa wrote:
Any guesses why his drone is creating a whiter background?


Magnetic force field??
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Post by jugement on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:19pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:47pm, bakosawa wrote:
You are correct... but Steven's have the same common affect...

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Any guesses why his drone is creating a whiter background?


Itook apicture with my soneycyber-shot6.0 mega pixels, I was under a bridge the people I took the picture of where out in the sun , which was bright,yet the back ground came out white. wink
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Post by windupbird on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:33pm

alright... thanks to you guys, I:

1. am regretting i ever moved away from the bay area (even though the sky is sometimes smoggy)
2. no longer watch any tv - not even the discovery channel in HD
3. was unable to enjoy watching an amazing outdoor movie - "the day the earth stood still" even though it was shown in the most awesome setting of all time - Brooklyn Bridge Park - I kept thinking that this was part of the disclosure and i was more interested in watching the sky for ufo's instead of watching the movie
4. drink way too much UFO Beer

i hopefully will be able to provide more thought provoking constributions in the future...

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:38pm

To question of the floating foreground object. I don't believe it is. This is the way I see the terrain.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:46pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:38pm, Latitude wrote:
To question of the floating foreground object. I don't believe it is. This is the way I see the terrain.



The only thing is the grass is about 6 inches high, the weight of the item wouldn't rest on the grass.
Unless it has some weightlessness/antigrav -- kinda like the A2 A3 parts in the picture.

Again... the drone does look unique. None of the others had a round thing sticking out like that on the back.
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Post by jugement on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:50pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:46pm, castles4me wrote:
The only thing is the grass is about 6 inches high, the weight of the item wouldn't rest on the grass.
Unless it has some weightlessness/antigrav -- kinda like the A2 A3 parts in the picture.

Again... the drone does look unique. None of the others had a round thing sticking out like that on the back.
you beat me to the round thing on the back,I was going to ask latitude to see if the round thing in the back could have ocupants ? huh
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Post by castles4me on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:22am

Latitude -- I was reading that post you put out there again with the weird "warning" on the last thread lol

It does sound a bit kooky, but interesting..... here is an excerpt:

Quote:
The second message:

NSA insider
User ID: 247966
7/3/2007 4:42 PM
Prepare for the arrival because it is near!

The elite have begun to settle their families into the various underground
bunkers and cities in preparation for the coming events. My wife and children
are secure in a secret facility in Virginia but I have friends in the company,
i.e. NSA, who have settled their families into such facilities as the new world
airport's underground mega-bunker in Denver. The "event" is near and stations
like the science channel have been broadcasting doom scenarios recently to
alert the discerning into action to save themselves and families. Stock up on
food and water and get away from the shores. The coming events will be
world-wide and ET connected. They have entered our solar system and are now close to
our planet; thousands of the ancient ones, we have been briefed about, to bring
about what has been termed "the first wave of correction". Do NOT approach any
unusual aircraft that may be lurking near the ground. There is a craft that
has been seen recently that has been likened to a dragon fly; this is the one
that must be avoided if possible within the next weeks and months. They are the
precursors and reconnaissance craft from the main ship that will ark itself
in orbit 1000 miles above the earth.


Man.... I had already booked a trip to the coast too lol It says get away from the shores and I am going to be vacationing on the shore. YIKES lol I will let yall know if I see anything cool

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:26am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:12am, urantia606 wrote:
Miss Castle, we're ready for your scene....lights, camera, ACTION.....

Drama!


No drama here... in fact, that's not even worth a response. lipsrsealed
Get over it Urantia kiss-- go down to Home Depot....buy a ladder.... climb up it... and get over it.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:34am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:50pm, jugement wrote:
you beat me to the round thing on the back,I was going to ask latitude to see if the round thing in the back could have ocupants ? huh


Lol. No I think there is only one of these craft than can possibly have occupants and it's the BigBasin one. BTW, did you see my latest illustration with the animated gifs?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:43am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 8:28pm, urantia606 wrote:
A LOT of people do not believe even when they see the evidence.

You're one of those that believe.


Yes, and I am SMUGLY certain of it because I know what I saw last year, I know it was real, I know it wasn't one of ours. When debunkers start out with an already concrete conclusion that it can't be, no matter what, they rob themselves of the opportunity to even CONCEIVE of something greater than ourselves. Sad, isn't it?
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Post by swiftjustice on Jul 19th, 2007, 01:35am

Hello folks,
I have been trying to find some intelligible technical
analysis from somebody on the "Strange Craft-Drone"
photographs. Perhaps this why I am now attempting
to communicate some rationale in regard to these obviously faked photographs. Such a contraption cannot 'fly'. The one photograph showing the launch device underneath it, is a mystery. Why the photographer did not take it with him for analysis beats me. I see no power source or purpose for this craft. It has no cameras. It could be shot down with a 12 gauge shotgun, which is exactly what I will do if it 'flies' over my property. Listen, if it is alien technology built by some black ops organization then what purpose does it have? Exactly! It has no purpose.
I used to think that this was a fairly serious UFO website.
Not any more. I used to consult with the British Police in UFO sightings back in the 70's. They at least had some respect for my Aviation knowledge. Do yourselves a big favor and recognize a spoof when you see one. For goodness sake, what would you all do if a real other-world Alien landed in your back yard?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by PawnSacrifice on Jul 19th, 2007, 01:58am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 01:35am, swiftjustice wrote:
Such a contraption cannot 'fly'.

I see no power source or purpose for this craft. It has no cameras.


So you know exactly what they should look like then. Thats good because I was wondering what exactly was the "purpose" for all the flying discs/lights. All the videos, photos and first hand sightings of them and I didn't see any with cameras. What giveshuh
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Keith on Jul 19th, 2007, 03:01am

Quote: "It could be shot down with a 12 gauge shotgun, which is exactly what I will do if it 'flies' over my property."

Ahhhhhh.... the smell of human sacrifice.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 19th, 2007, 03:23am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:26am, castles4me wrote:
No drama here... in fact, that's not even worth a response. lipsrsealed
Get over it Urantia kiss-- go down to Home Depot....buy a ladder.... climb up it... and get over it.

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on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:03pm, urantia606 wrote:
ATO, you're not making sense to me. I do not understand what your position is about Dr. Edwards CVs.

He says he worked with alien technology on THREE of his resumes.

Yes, I know all about the working world and the manner in which people like to joke around..

I am self employed at my own company. Yes, I work.

Phds do not put that kind of a joke on something as important as their resume.

His email to me was nothing but a awkward cover story.

Could you please tell me exactly what you think of the fact that Dr. Edwards wrote on three of his resumes that he worked on alien tachnology.


Can you remember when you flamed me for knocking up a photo that made Dr. Edwards look like a bit Alienesque, you accused me of behaving like an eight year old and more importantly being disrespectful.
I feel it’s no where near as calling him an out and out liar, he’s told you (as I did as it was obvious) that he was joking, and you now say he’s telling lies!!!.

Very respectful…………


on Jul 6th, 2007, 5:59pm, urantia606 wrote:
Actual quote from Dr. Keith Edwards, Phd., resume: From there I moved on to Xerox PARC, where I'm a senior member of the research staff, and get to play with a bunch of the technologies that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-tech swap after Roswell.
on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:03pm, DrDil wrote:
Yeah. I believe it was wrote with his tongue planted firmly in cheek.
on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:03pm, urantia606 wrote:
DrDil: The engineer from PARC is not joking. He is a Phd. and to put that sort of a joke in his professional resumes would ruin his career....if it were not true. He'd be laughed at.
Phd.s in engineering take their knowledge and expertise VERY SERIOUSLY. That's how they get new jobs. All they have to sell is their background and their skills.
Those nerd types never joke around like that.
on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:09pm, DrDil wrote:
You’re joking, surely. You’re saying that on his resume he openly admits to not only an extraterrestrial existence, but that the government is currently involved in bartering for alien technology with the lives of humans?
"He'd be laughed at."
What, more than if he claimed it as truth?
on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:59pm, urantia606 wrote:
DrDil:
Why would he put something as serious as his expertise with alien technology in his resume if it were just some silly little joke. No way.
I know these science types...they just do not joke around like that on their resumes....if it is not true.
In fact he actually put that into his resume as a way of bragging a bit.
How many people have worked on alien technology?
on Jul 6th, 2007, 8:26pm, DrDil wrote:
We’ll just agree to differ on this one, I refuse to believe that definitive UFO disclosure (after at least 60 years) is finally realised in a resume.

As that is what you are saying, to be honest I find it absurd and laughable, more so that you are touting it as definitive proof. The smoking gun of UFOlogy is waiting to be found, but not on the internet via a resume.

I'm not joking at all.
(No, you’ve evidently had a sense of humour bypass)His writing capabilities have never been questioned, just his rapier wit and dry sense of humour.
He works in one of the most exotic fields of computer science that exists on the planet. Things most of us have never heard of.
(Yeah, alien technology grin)
Why would he put something as serious as his expertise with alien technology in his resume if it were just some silly little joke. No way.
(It’s not some silly little joke, it’s possibly the BIGGEST GOVERNMENTAL LIE OF ALL TIME. A lie, which if proved will have repercussions and profound implications for every intelligent living being on planet earth. Forget JFK, it will be, “Where were you when full UFO disclosure took place,” an event so gargantuan that time will be divided into the time before full disclosure and the time after full disclosure.
I know these science types...they just do not joke around like that on their resumes....if it is not true. (These, “Science types” are people and no two people are the same.)
In fact he actually put that into his resume as a way of bragging a bit.
(And appear like a UFO nut to every prospective employee?)
How many people have worked on alien technology?
(People that I know, none, AS ALIEN TECHNOLOGY HASN’T BEEN PROVEN TO EXIST!!)
on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:17pm, urantia606 wrote:
Dr. Dil:
By putting that sentence in his resume, Dr. Edwards is really thumbing his nose at the Military's rigid sense of security.
BTW, Dr. Dil, debunking is not allowed on this thread according to our Moderator, ATO.
on Jul 6th, 2007, 9:31pm, DrDil wrote:
Believe me, ATO would have pulled me a long time ago if was a debunker, I’m more of a realist and BTW all I’m, “debunking” is your claim that Dr. Edwards had no sense of humour!!!
on Jul 9th, 2007, 3:17pm, urantia606 wrote:
Dil: I read Dr. Edwards CV....I didn't notice any jokes about alien technology. All I saw was the remark that he got to play with alien technology whilst he worked at Xerox Parc.
Can you site any joke he made about alien technology?
Reporters and investigators are currently aware of Dr. Edwards involvement with alien tech. Let's wait and see what his response is...if any.
on Jul 9th, 2007, 3:24pm, DrDil wrote:
Tia606
It’s not Dr Edwards I was (trying to?) joke with, it was you.
If you still think that his reference to, “Playing with the technology from the abductees for tech swap that followed..” (Paraphrasing) isn’t a joke, then I can see my time is wasted, not to worry...........



Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Keith on Jul 19th, 2007, 04:12am

LMH is going to England to cover the latest crop circle. This time there are witnesses and several video cameras. Look for her to do an update in the morning that should include video stills. This could be a big one. I quess this is why she has been out of touch in the last day or two. It would be cool if the video tape showed drones running around making the crop circles.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 05:02am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:33pm, windupbird wrote:
alright... thanks to you guys, I:
1. am regretting i ever moved away from the bay area (even though the sky is sometimes smoggy)
2. no longer watch any tv - not even the discovery channel in HD
3. was unable to enjoy watching an amazing outdoor movie - "the day the earth stood still" even though it was shown in the most awesome setting of all time - Brooklyn Bridge Park - I kept thinking that this was part of the disclosure and i was more interested in watching the sky for ufo's instead of watching the movie
4. drink way too much UFO Beer. I hopefully will be able to provide more thought provoking constributions in the future...

That's what happens when you turn those wind ups a little to far. They stick and don't release the birds energy. Sometimes they never work again unless you take them apart. Then, if you do attempt to take em apart they tweek because they're usually plastic and they never go back exactly like they were.... Ewww, this isn't going where it was meant to go. LOL,
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 05:24am

Okay you three, DrDil, Castle, Urantia - get in your respective corners. Enough with the squabbles, kiss and make up.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 05:58am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 01:35am, swiftjustice wrote:
Such a contraption cannot 'fly'. The one photograph showing the launch device underneath it, is a mystery. Why the photographer did not take it with him for analysis beats me.

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The apparatus below the drone may not be related to the drone and instead could possibly be weather monitoring equipment, an antenna or repeater antenna of some kind or maybe even something used for irrigation and the dispensing of pesticides. The possibilities are endless.
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Weather forecasters provide support in Kosovo
PRISTINA, Serbia and Montenegro -- Staff Sgt. Patricia Ballou reads weather data from tactical weather equipment that aids in remote weather forecasting observations here. Sergeant Ballou is a weather forecaster deployed to Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo supporting Operation Joint Guardian.


Outside of that, which pictures are you speaking of in particular because there are almost 40 pictures amongst the 14 separate drone sightings.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 06:15am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:43pm, castles4me wrote:
This drone doesn't match any that we have so far, though, is that correct? It has a round thing on the tail !! I think that is significant.


That thing hanging down below has some similarity to a previous report from Yosemite:

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 06:24am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:47pm, bakosawa wrote:
Any guesses why his drone is creating a whiter background?


The whiter area is not centered on the craft, so it is probably just an issue with the brighter sky in that area.

More curious was the rings noticeable during a threshold test on the various separated colors.

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However, that is most likely an an issue with the way the camera creates the JPEG compressed image as shown in a sample from the same type of camera:

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 06:38am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 05:24am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
[center]Okay you three,- get in your respective corners.


May I respectfully submit, the Hillbilly timeout...






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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 06:45am

I love that one. I got that in an email recently. How funny. I love jokes and pictures like that. I'm behind by a month but I have a joke group with my email so I get tons. I have over 100 sitting in my saved mail area unsent - long story.

That's how I like to wake up in the morning though, with jokes. Check this out sometime. Gotta read the beaver story for sure if you haven't yet. It's on page 1, it's boring at first but you have to read the whole thing and it'll have you rolling. It is the funniest thing I've ever read.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=tips&num=1149285271&start=0


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 06:51am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 06:24am, onthefence55 wrote:
The whiter area is not centered on the craft, so it is probably just an issue with the brighter sky in that area.

More curious was the rings noticeable during a threshold test on the various separated colors.

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However, that is most likely an an issue with the way the camera creates the JPEG compressed image as shown in a sample from the same type of camera:

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Take a look at this version I put up the other day...

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All of these photos are from:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

You will get the bull's eye affect if click on the photo and use the enlargement.

There is no substitute for the original photo (each change adds its own bias).

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 07:11am

son Jul 19th, 2007, 06:24am, onthefence55 wrote:
The whiter area is not centered on the craft, so it is probably just an issue with the brighter sky in that area.



onthefence, you are right again. smiley

Then I see a paradox between the two sets of photos.

One (Ty) that contains a white sky with very detailed (but not well shadowed) craft over direct sun lit trees... taken in the fog.

The other (Steven), not detailed craft on a blue sky with normal haze in the background (with the brighter part of the sky always directly ahead of the camera - yea, I looked at the fuzzy pic and the craft is to the left of the whiter area). I have to place these back into the “it could be good” shelf.

I am still wrestling with the totally white sky in the Ty shots, darker craft (like it is in the shade and then brightened), and the trees that are in the direct sunlight.

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This just jumps out to me... (due to the difference in shadow darkness).

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 07:18am


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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by ABCStore on Jul 19th, 2007, 07:30am

Similarity?
http://www.ufocasebook.com/texasjuly2007.html

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 07:42am


Coast to Coast had Whitley Strieber and Linda Moulton Howe on last night. Did they happen to drone on about the drones? Did anyone listen?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 07:55am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 06:51am, bakosawa wrote:
Take a look at this version I put up the other day...
Thank you for pointing that out again.

It made me think about that bullseye. I had originally assumed that it was just the sunlight which would have placed it in the same location on both clear BB images. However, after comparing the two images using my threshold technique -- The center of the light appears to be changing with respect to the center of the photo:

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Also, the center of the light appears to be changing with respect to the center of the craft in this image where I lined the trees up for both animated frames:

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Is this simply a "lens-flare" or reflection issue with the Sun and camera?
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Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 07:55am

I have an idea…

For those have the ability to create a gif…

If you can overlay these two and have them fade back and forth… (line up the three points of the tree tops on the right)

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Playing with this, I notice something odd.

1. The observer states the craft just hovers and only rotates. This seems to be true.
2. The observer is either approaching or backing away.
3. Maybe we can get an idea of size? It looks closer and smaller than reported.
4. The craft does a weird pitch/yaw not reported.

Latitude? onthefence?

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 08:18am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 07:55am, bakosawa wrote:
1. The observer states the craft just hovers and only rotates. This seems to be true.
2. The observer is either approaching or backing away.
3. Maybe we can get an idea of size? It looks closer and smaller than reported.
4. The craft does a weird pitch/yaw not reported.


1. The craft hovers, rotates, and moves.
2. Possibly the observer moved or zoomed in for about half of the shots, but I think it's pretty clear that the craft does move a bit (as well as obviously rotating).
3. Accurate size will be hard to determine since the craft never seems to go in front of the trees.
4. I'm not too sure about the pitch and yaw since the camera angle seems to be tilted in a few shots. You'll have to rotate the images to line up and I think you'll see that no such pitching takes place.

Here's an animation I previously made using all the low-res Ty images, all images are aligned as close as possible to the trees:

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 08:21am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:19pm, bakosawa wrote:
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I see a halo of lightness with the craft in the center. One sees fog, I see a craft always placed on a white field.

That could be a mircowave field that the digital cam records.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 08:29am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 08:18am, onthefence55 wrote:
1. The craft hovers, rotates, and moves.
2. Possibly the observer moved or zoomed in for about half of the shots, but I think it's pretty clear that the craft does move a bit (as well as obviously rotating).
3. Accurate size will be hard to determine since the craft never seems to go in front of the trees.
4. I'm not too sure about the pitch and yaw since the camera angle seems to be tilted in a few shots. You'll have to rotate the images to line up and I think you'll see that no such pitching takes place.

Here's an animation I previously made using all the low-res Ty images, all images are aligned as close as possible to the trees:

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If you just look at t the two photos posted... the craft either leans or it is a lot smaller a closer than one may think. It shows up better full sized.

Have you seen all of these?

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneBigBasinTy060507aa.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneBigBasinTy060507bb.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneBigBasinTy060507cc.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneBigBasinTy060507dd.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneBigBasinTy060507ee.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneBigBasinTy060507ff.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneBigBasinTy060507gg.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneBigBasinTy060507hh.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneBigBasinTy060507ii.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneBigBasinTy060507jj.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneBigBasinTy060507kk.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneBigBasinTy060507ll.jpg

Guess you have, since you have 12 in the gif.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 08:33am

on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:30pm, leviathan6 wrote:
Here is an atempt to enhance the Drone/Tripod photo:
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The leg on the left seems to be adjusted slightly different from the right. Perhaps compensating for the terrain in order to keep it perfectly plumb.

The roundish object at the lower centre of the shaft may have a relationship to the spike that hangs down from the centre of the drones. It is similar in shape.

Also, I think that the drones are enveloped in radiation which sometimes appears as layers in the atmosphere on digital photographs.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 19th, 2007, 08:38am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 01:35am, swiftjustice wrote:
For goodness sake, what would you all do if a real other-world Alien landed in your back yard?


Well ... I'd send him over to your house, of course.

I usually don't respond to shotgun wielding folks who think that I'm irrational, but, I made an exception for you since you obviously put a great deal of thought into your post. I especially enjoyed reading all of the research and analysis that led to your proclamation. Lord knows none of us have put any effort into studying this.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 08:39am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 07:55am, onthefence55 wrote:
Thank you for pointing that out again.

It made me think about that bullseye. I had originally assumed that it was just the sunlight which would have placed it in the same location on both clear BB images. However, after comparing the two images using my threshold technique -- The center of the light appears to be changing with respect to the center of the photo:

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Also, the center of the light appears to be changing with respect to the center of the craft in this image where I lined the trees up for both animated frames:

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Is this simply a "lens-flare" or reflection issue with the Sun and camera?
Excellent post.
Your animation shows that the field is emminating from the aft section of the drone. More specifically the prongs.
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Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 08:58am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 08:29am, bakosawa wrote:
If you just look at t the two photos posted... the craft either leans or it is a lot smaller a closer than one may think. It shows up better full sized.

Have you seen all of these?


Yes, I've seen them all.

When comparing photos "kk" and "ll", the angles of the background trees have changed as well as the craft. In all there is only a 6.45-5.12 = 1.33 degree difference between the craft angle on both images. Considering that the camera was moved as seen by the extra amount of trees visible in "ll" (same crop size as "kk"). I would say that it is difficult to notice any yaw/pitch.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by becker44 on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:00am

Please go to the 3:00 mark and listen to the description this man gives. Does anyone else find this similar to the longer ams of the drones?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy1jZDc8swA&NR=1

Becker
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Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:03am

Try gifting these two at full size...

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The two tree tops on the top picture line up with the left two on the bottom.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:05am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 08:21am, AgentM wrote:
That could be a mircowave field that the digital cam records.


The microwave portion of the electromagnetic radiation spectrum is far outside the sensitivity of a digital camera. However, Digital cameras do see what our does not (in the InfraRed, and possibly somewhat into the Ultra-violet). So your idea of seeing invisible fields is possible if those fields are IR and UV.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:11am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:00am, becker44 wrote:
Please go to the 3:00 mark and listen to the description this man gives. Does anyone else find this similar to the longer ams of the drones?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy1jZDc8swA&NR=1

Becker


Definitely does. It's kind of refreshing to hear someone say that this was something being pursued in regards to reverse engineering and that the military had be wrestling with it for years. It fits with what CARET was doing.

If you buy Isaac, then there's some back up. If you think it's a hoax, I suppose you could say that he picked up the idea from this guy. In my opinion, it's a long way from what was said and the elaborate diagram and the drone "inscriptions". Think it was complex before? that would hit it even further out of the park!

What it comes down to is the proverbial "chicken or the egg" question".
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Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:12am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 05:58am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
The possibilities are endless.
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Thanks for that idea. I'm still searching on Google images for the EXACT model used in that photo.

However, most weather stations include an anemometer which this sighting seems to be missing:
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:14am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 08:58am, onthefence55 wrote:
Yes, I've seen them all.

When comparing photos "kk" and "ll", the angles of the background trees have changed as well as the craft. In all there is only a 6.45-5.12 = 1.33 degree difference between the craft angle on both images. Considering that the camera was moved as seen by the extra amount of trees visible in "ll" (same crop size as "kk"). I would say that it is difficult to notice any yaw/pitch.

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Keep looking... the geometry of the circles change and other angles... The double ring "waves" at you... as you flip between the two.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:34am

Back on page 25, bakosawa wrote: "… but the trees appear to be in direct sun light. Check out the dark shadows and bright green sun lit areas."

I was driving around this morning noticing that the sky was much like in the BB photos. White/grey sky (smog, ozone, pollution, no fog) but with enough sunlight filtering through to illuminate the trees and cast distinct shadows. So I am convinced that the white sky in the Ty BB photos with sunlight on the trees can happen.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:42am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:34am, Nodnunk wrote:
Back on page 25, bakosawa wrote: "… but the trees appear to be in direct sun light. Check out the dark shadows and bright green sun lit areas."

I was driving around this morning noticing that the sky was much like in the BB photos. White/grey sky (smog, ozone, pollution, no fog) but with enough sunlight filtering through to illuminate the trees and cast distinct shadows. So I am convinced that the white sky in the Ty BB photos with sunlight on the trees can happen.


Hi Nodnunk,

I do not doubt white overcast skys... but if it is overcast or foggy enought to remove the dark shadows on the craft... why are they so dark on the trees?

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:42am

To swiftjustice: When you do see one of these non-aerodynamic devices fly over your land, please do as you say, that way we who survive will be better able to understand the weaponry aboard this non-aerodynamic devise.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:48am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:14am, bakosawa wrote:
Keep looking... the geometry of the circles change and other angles... The double ring "waves" at you... as you flip between the two.


Here's an animation between photos kk and ll with camera rotation corrected:

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I'll let you everyone draw their own conclusions.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:53am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:42am, bakosawa wrote:
I do not doubt white overcast skys... but if it is overcast or foggy enought to remove the dark shadows on the craft... why are they so dark on the trees?


Probably because the craft is slightly higher in the sky and ground reflections wash out the shadows. This is what I mean:

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Notice the bright airplane underside and the sharp dark shadows on the near building.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:55am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:48am, onthefence55 wrote:
Here's an animation between photos kk and ll with camera rotation corrected:

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I'll let you everyone draw their own conclusions.


Great job onthefence!!

That explains what I was seeing... I should not have been using the trees as a reference point.

But since it appears that these photos were taken from two locations (and not simply zoomed)… can we now get an idea of the size?

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Raf on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:00am

Even if it is all a hoax? Man…it’s a good one. The Isaac / CARET stuff is all over the web. Pretty cool, actually.

Raf

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:07am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:53am, onthefence55 wrote:
Probably because the craft is slightly higher in the sky and ground reflections wash out the shadows. This is what I mean:

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Notice the bright airplane underside and the sharp dark shadows on the near building.



You may have a point... and the not so washed out photo may be point away just enough... (maybe) so that it shows the shadowing... I am still thinking about it.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:13am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:00am, becker44 wrote:
Please go to the 3:00 mark and listen to the description this man gives. Does anyone else find this similar to the longer ams of the drones?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy1jZDc8swA&NR=1

Becker


Here's the story that goes with that Becker.

This one is better. Second article on the page.
http://www.ufoinfo.com/filer/2006/ff0615.shtml

The metal part he says was shown to him at the Pentagon and was taken from a crashed UFO in New Mexico in 1947, so that would be Roswell.

And another.
http://ufologie.net/rw/w/stephenlovekin.htm


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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:43am

Here is part of what Col Lovekin said on the tape:

I learned a lot about Project Blue Book. Blue Book was discussed quite openly in the office. Sections of Blue Book were opened for discussion. And then there were other matters as well that were brought to our attention. One afternoon when we were just about ready to finish training, it was 3:30, maybe a quarter to four in the afternoon, Colonel Holloberg] brought out a piece of what appeared to be metallic. It was a metallic piece of ... it looked like a yardstick. It had deciphering ... it had inscriptions on it. He did describe them as being symbols of instruction. And that's as far as he would go. But he did infer that the instructions, whatever they might have been, were something that was important enough for the military to keep working on on a constant basis."

"It seemed giant-like when I saw it because it was the first time I had ever seen anything like this before. And all eyes were just peeled on that particular thing. And when he told us what it was, it was frightening, it was eery there. You could have heard a pin drop in the room when it was first mentioned."

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Dontdenyme on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:11am

Sorry to be a pest but i need to ask, do we have Full rez Ty images now? Where can i get them?

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:13am

I'm Digging in the UFO Casebook website search program today for previous drone sounding UFOs. I found these two thus far.

Two previous UFOs given a definition as "dragonfly" or in the vicinity of Big Basin.

Conklin, Alberta - Jackfish Creek & Highway 881 Disk Shaped Object ...


Date: July 3, 2006 Time: Daytime
Number of witnesses: 1 Number of objects: 2 Shape of objects: Disk shape and beam of light.
HBCC UFO Research Note: The beam is a lens effect.
Full Description of event/sighting: Brian, I was on the coast to coast website and pulled up the Anomalous Beam article on a Alberta search. I saw the same kind of beam of light and I have 2 photos. The first, is a photo of Jackfish bridge with a disk shaped object, and a beam of light just missing it. The object has a bright area on top of it, almost like a cloud and a possible contrail or object trailing behind it.It's almost like a dragonfly captured in a digital image, but I don't think it is.

The next picture, is really similar to (name removed) photo. It kind of freaks me out, because of the beam of the in the first photo. I'm taking the picture, standing on a log near the edge of the river. That same beam of the light or another one, is about 80 feet away from me, coming up the river bank. I wonder if it hit me eventually? Anyway, it may be a sun beam, but I'd hoped you may be able to look at the pictures and give me your opinion. They are very interesting, and they just may help you on your quest to expose what's really going on out there. Thank you to the person for sending the report and photos.

That beam of light he is referring to above could be sunlight bouncing off of metalic parts.

http://www.hbccufointernational.org/
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http://www.ufocasebook.com/jackfishcreek.html

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Unknown Object Photographed over Santa Cruz, California, 12-30-06
sighting - max distance from Big Basin 25 miles

http://www.ufocasebook.com/santacruz123006.html

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ARTIC ALIENS

This one I brought in to show you that what you don't necessarily see in the Big Basin drone, really can be there.


Updated Information: 04-06-06 After sending a request to sender for more information, the UFO Casebook received the following details on April 6.
I don’t really have much more details on that day. I can say that it was a snowmobile ride with some friends, we were 200 km up to north circle, between Sverige and Norway, the nearest city was Kiruna. The photo was taken with a Nikon 5400 with no zoom and it was around midday, of the 20th of December 2005. Nothing strange happened, it was -20°C, and silence all around with some wild animals. That's all, we realized there was something showing in the photos some months later when a friend of ours kept saying there was something strange in that brush.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:16am

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I guess the last thing that bothers me is the tiny change in the upper left hand corner between the two full pictures when compared to the movement of the craft (tilt, if you wish).

But using the 10 foot and around 6 degree angle change, would place it about 100 feet away... give or take ('cus I am guessing here). So I guess that would make it sizeable.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:19am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 09:12am, onthefence55 wrote:
Thanks for that idea. I'm still searching on Google images for the EXACT model used in that photo.However, most weather stations include an


I've been thinking on the lines of tornadoes and below is air quality monitoring data equipment. Look in the background. Anything goes with monitoring equipment these days. It's getting more high tech very quickly. The stacks catch my eye. I'm just going to continue posting what I find - in this location.

http://www.pamz.org/images/airquality/int_station.jpg
http://www.fs.fed.us/psw/topics/air_quality/air_monitoring/images/gradient_sm.jpg
http://www.sph.umich.edu/~stuartb/detroit-sampling.jpg
http://www.aspenpitkin.com/depts/44/images/air_monitor.jpg
http://trans.wpcog.org/downloads/air_quality/MonitorExplanations.jpg
Lightening Rod
http://www.campbellsci.com.au/images/tripod.gif
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by HopefulSkeptic on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:48am

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Good job onthefence55 on this animation.

My very first impression on seeing these photos is that the object is about 7 feet from the camera (assuming its not CGI).

This would make it just a few feet across, and a model either suspended from above, or more likely balanced on a pole or broomstick from below. This animation further proves that to me. I cannot fathom how anyone can see this object as something massive in size and at least 100 feet from the camera.

Maybe there's some out-of-work model builders for sci-fi tv shows having some fun with this. This is in California, after all. I wonder if they'll put this on their resume once its all out in the open?


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:10pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:48am, HopefulSkeptic wrote:
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Good job onthefence55 on this animation.

My very first impression on seeing these photos is that the object is about 7 feet from the camera (assuming its not CGI).

This would make it just a few feet across, and a model either suspended from above, or more likely balanced on a pole or broomstick from below. This animation further proves that to me. I cannot fathom how anyone can see this object as something massive in size and at least 100 feet from the camera.

Maybe there's some out-of-work model builders for sci-fi tv shows having some fun with this. This is in California, after all. I wonder if they'll put this on their resume once its all out in the open?



If my guess on the distant the camera person moved is wrong (and believe me, I have wrestled with this a lot), if the movement is more like a 2 foot difference… then the craft is 20 feet away… or if it is only a foot, then we are down to 10 feet away. The tree on the left would support this lesser movement.

Maybe you are right (and that was my first impression), maybe the alien really is StarWars character sized.

Maybe someone knows the answer to this… does shooting into the sun destroy any photographic evidence of a string?

The one common element the pictures of this craft have is that it is always shot into brighter light (back lit).

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:11pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:48am, HopefulSkeptic wrote:
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Good job onthefence55 on this animation.

My very first impression on seeing these photos is that the object is about 7 feet from the camera (assuming its not CGI).

This would make it just a few feet across, and a model either s

uspended from above, or more likely balanced on a pole or broomstick from below. This animation further proves that to me. I cannot fathom how anyone can see this object as something massive in size and at least 100 feet from the camera.

Maybe there's some out-of-work model builders for sci-fi tv shows having some fun with this. This is in California, after all. I wonder if they'll put this on their resume once its all out in the open?



The object appears to be about 300 feet from the camera.

Given that distance, the object is approx. 80 feet in length.

This proves to me that the object is not a model.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:13pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:48am, HopefulSkeptic wrote:
My very first impression on seeing these photos is that the object is about 7 feet from the camera (assuming its not CGI).

This would make it just a few feet across, and a model either suspended from above, or more likely balanced on a pole or broomstick from below. This animation further proves that to me. I cannot fathom how anyone can see this object as something massive in size and at least 100 feet from the camera.

Maybe there's some out-of-work model builders for sci-fi tv shows having some fun with this. This is in California, after all. I wonder if they'll put this on their resume once its all out in the open?


Please don't get tricked into thinking the craft is small from that animation. It would be impossible to judge the distance from that animation that I made since the craft does not appear behind anything.

This close up crop of photo kk clearly shows that the image is behind the leaves in that tall tree. Most leaves are at least 2" long, so this would make the craft at least MUCH larger than a few feet in length.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Raf on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:26pm


I'm not a Botanist, but if someone here can identify the species of pine tree in the pictures, you can probably get an idea of size by the growth range for mature trees

Raf
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:30pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:26pm, Raf wrote:
I'm not a Botanist, but if someone here can identify the species of pine tree in the pictures, you can probably get an idea of size by the growth range for mature trees

Raf


I'm not a botanist either but the trees appear to be your typical California Oak trees.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:33pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:13pm, onthefence55 wrote:
Please don't get tricked into thinking the craft is small from that animation. It would be impossible to judge the distance from that animation that I made since the craft does not appear behind anything.


OTF,
You are doing a fine job educating those who are less informed. Myself, I'm tired of the ones who pop in with the same old lines on how they've made a startling discovery that proves it's all a hoax. I refuse to even respond to those trolls that hit and run with nonsense like "It can't even fly and if it did I'd shoot it down with a 12 gage".

If they can't see the evidence and refuse to admit the possibilities then they should simply move on to another forum that deals with a subject they can understand like Paris Hilton or professional wrestling.
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Post by Raf on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:35pm

Quote:
I'm not a botanist either but the trees appear to be your typical California Oak trees.


I don't think so. I think they are a species of pine. But there are many varieties of pine and I'm not familiar with California species.

Raf
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:44pm


I found another suspicious one.

POLAND: Chance UFO Photographed

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See story here with more pictures.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/klepaczkamast.html

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:47pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:11am, Dontdenyme wrote:
Sorry to be a pest but i need to ask, do we have Full rez Ty images now? Where can i get them?


No we don't. Not yet.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by WelshJester on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:52pm

Hi everyone.

Just thought id post here, ive looked around here before actually.

When i first saw one of these drones or whatever it is supposed to be, i thought it was just an UAV.

Can anybody tell me the percentage in chance that the craft is not from this world? or is this not possible?

it looks weird for sure, though i cant really see how there would be a pilot in there whatever origin it may be.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:55pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:52pm, WelshJester wrote:
Hi everyone.

Just thought id post here, ive looked around here before actually.

When i first saw one of these drones or whatever it is supposed to be, i thought it was just an UAV.

Can anybody tell me the percentage in chance that the craft is not from this world? or is this not possible?

it looks weird for sure, though i cant really see how there would be a pilot in there whatever origin it may be.

88.2 percent of all statistics
(including this one)
are made up on the spot

(Vic Reeves 1997)
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by WelshJester on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:59pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:55pm, DrDil wrote:
88.2 percent of all statistics
(including this one)
are made up on the spot

(Vic Reeves 1997)

So this is all just another hoax? or are you just skeptical?

oops, nevermind.. i see you quoted somebody else, my mistake lol.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:01pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:55pm, DrDil wrote:
88.2 percent of all statistics
(including this one)
are made up on the spot

(Vic Reeves 1997)


I want to the mean, the median and the standard deviation for that stat. grin grin grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by ABCStore on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:09pm

Go back to Reply #438 in this thread and look at the top two images using stereoscopic vision, like watching stereograms. Because of a slight movement of the craft between shots you'll get pretty good 3D view of it.

ABC
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:18pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:52pm, WelshJester wrote:
When i first saw one of these drones or whatever it is supposed to be, i thought it was just an UAV.

I know what you mean about the UAV, but the tenuous paddle support sort of negates that fact. So now you’ve read up a little bit on it what is your current opinion?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:22pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:55pm, DrDil wrote:
88.2 percent of all statistics
(including this one)
are made up on the spot

(Vic Reeves 1997)


....BUT, 49.7% of made up statistics have a 18.5% chance of being accurate!!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:24pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:22pm, starsigndavid wrote:
....BUT, 49.7% of made up statistics have a 18.5% chance of being accurate!!

So, the odds are you're wrong!! grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:43pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:24pm, DrDil wrote:
So, the odds are you're wrong!! grin


Not so fast there, Dil.

If you take your sample from people who exit a WinDixie supermarket the chances are that not all of the responders are sober. If 80% say UFOs are real then consider the other 20% of the people that say the opposite.

That 20% are from the area below the Mason Dixon Line. Everyone knows that on a dark and rainy night people often mistake a bright light in the southern sky for a UFO but it could just be the planet Venus.

Taken all of this into consideration the other 80& may have been seeing swamp gas.

Swamp gas is often mistaken for a UFO. Therefore they are all either correct or quite wrong.

I leave it to the forum members to decide.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:52pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:24pm, DrDil wrote:
So, the odds are you're wrong!! grin


Did you account for bias, did you use the two-tailed test?

Was this large population or small (and did you remember to use N-1)? rolleyes
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:54pm

Tia
on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:43pm, urantia606 wrote:
Not so fast there, Dil.

If 80% say UFOs are real then consider the other 20% of the people that say the opposite...... may have been seeing swamp gas.

So, what then are the percentages if its swamp gas being viewed through a lighthouse on an oil field which is reflected off Venus the same time as a Shuttle re-entry and as the Army drop flares from a Mogul balloon inhabited by a crash test dummy and a chimpanzee?

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:59pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:43pm, urantia606 wrote:
Not so fast there, Dil.

If you take your sample from people who exit a WinDixie supermarket the chances are that not all of the responders are sober. If 80% say UFOs are real then consider the other 20% of the people that say the opposite.

That 20% are from the area below the Mason Dixon Line. Everyone knows that on a dark and rainy night people often mistake a bright light in the southern sky for a UFO but it could just be the planet Venus.

Taken all of this into consideration the other 80& may have been seeing swamp gas.

Swamp gas is often mistaken for a UFO. Therefore they are all either correct or quite wrong.

I leave it to the forum members to decide.


Now wait… the last exit poll from WinDixie had something to do with recycled glass jar or WinDixie’s new and improved paper cups. The vote came along a divisive east/west line. The folks north of the line like the mason jars and the folks south of the line like the new WinDixie paper cups… as I recall, the line was eventually call the Mason/Dixon line. tongue


on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:54pm, DrDil wrote:
Tia

So, what then are the percentages if its swamp gas being viewed through a lighthouse on an oil field which is reflected off Venus the same time as a Shuttle re-entry and as the Army drop flares from a Mogul balloon inhabited by a crash test dummy and a chimpanzee?


WOW... those are some mean statistics.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:00pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:52pm, bakosawa wrote:
Did you account for bias, did you use the two-tailed test?

Was this large population or small (and did you remember to use N-1)? rolleyes

I was attempting to represent a percentage as a dimensionless proportionality rather than a conditional probability. By N-1, do you mean

Internet slang or Leetspeak for "nice one".
A Soviet Union rocket
A London postal district
Revolutions per minute of the fan in a turbofan engine, (expressed as a percentage of the maximum.)
Sun GridEngine, marketed as the "Sun N1 GridEngine."
Network One, a defunct American broadcast television network.
AEG N.I, a German World War I night bomber
The Naboo N-1 Starfighter from the Star Wars fictional universe
Or. a type of Light commercial vehicle?? undecided

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:04pm

While the reality of the drones is debated, the drones, having recovered there cloaking, go happily about their business while the human race runs to and fro.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:07pm

I am sooooooooooooo confused!!! Make it stop undecided huh laugh!!!!!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:12pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:00pm, DrDil wrote:
I was attempting to represent a percentage as a dimensionless proportionality rather than a conditional probability. By N-1, do you mean

Internet slang or Leetspeak for "nice one".
A Soviet Union rocket
A London postal district
Revolutions per minute of the fan in a turbofan engine, (expressed as a percentage of the maximum.)
Sun GridEngine, marketed as the "Sun N1 GridEngine."
Network One, a defunct American broadcast television network.
AEG N.I, a German World War I night bomber
The Naboo N-1 Starfighter from the Star Wars fictional universe
Or. a type of Light commercial vehicle?? undecided


It’s too difficult to type laughing this hard…

In statistics… when you run your numbers, and you have a population of say 20… then N=20. As a “safety factor", you subtract 1 from it… so your data does not look as “good” as if you had use N by itself (so you use N-1). If your population is 40 or greater (which enters into larger pop stats), you just use N. Don’t forget to use a minimum of 17 samples (a population of 17) for statistical accuracy….

We can start a thread on the Soviet N-1… now there’s a story right there now, I tell you.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:24pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:12pm, bakosawa wrote:
In statistics… when you run your numbers, and you have a population of say 20… then N=20. As a “safety factor", you subtract 1 from it… so your data does not look as “good” as if you had use N by itself (so you use N-1). If your population is 40 or greater (which enters into larger pop stats), you just use N. Don’t forget to use a minimum of 17 samples (a population of 17) for statistical accuracy….

I must admit (considering your previous posts) my money was on the Naboo N-1 Starfighter. But, in answer it wasn’t the two tailed test and the safety factor was an induced proprietary thus simultaneously both facilitating and negating the premise to the Nth degree.
Now, let’s call a spade a digging implement and be done with this nihilistic, decadent and meandering diatribe.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:34pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:54pm, DrDil wrote:
TiaSo, what then are the percentages if its swamp gas being viewed through a lighthouse on an oil field which is reflected off Venus the same time as a Shuttle re-entry and as the Army drop flares from a Mogul balloon inhabited by a crash test dummy and a chimpanzee?


I don't know what's funnier, Tia - Dil - or your quote above.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by HopefulSkeptic on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:35pm

ABCStore's message gave me an idea, so I thought I'd try it out. I've made two of these images into 3D images.

-- hold a mirror between your eyes
-- put the other side of the mirror between the two images
-- look at one image directly with one eye
-- look at the other image's reflection in the mirror with the other eye

This will give a pretty good 3D effect. I've aligned each of the two images as best as I know how with my limited skills, so I apologize if I give anyone eyestrain. I think the first one turned out best.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:36pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:07pm, MarkM wrote:
I am sooooooooooooo confused!!! Make it stop undecided huh laugh!!!!!


For sure! We need to put DrDil in a padded room today I think. lol He's up, that's for sure.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 19th, 2007, 3:05pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 12:33pm, Latitude wrote:
OTF,
You are doing a fine job educating those who are less informed. Myself, I'm tired of the ones who pop in with the same old lines on how they've made a startling discovery that proves it's all a hoax. I refuse to even respond to those trolls that hit and run with nonsense like "It can't even fly and if it did I'd shoot it down with a 12 gage".

If they can't see the evidence and refuse to admit the possibilities then they should simply move on to another forum that deals with a subject they can understand like Paris Hilton or professional wrestling.
thank you latitude. finaly someone has spoke. cool
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 19th, 2007, 3:12pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:54pm, DrDil wrote:
Tia

So, what then are the percentages if its swamp gas being viewed through a lighthouse on an oil field which is reflected off Venus the same time as a Shuttle re-entry and as the Army drop flares from a Mogul balloon inhabited by a crash test dummy and a chimpanzee?
that would make it areal ufo.what a great combination. send that to the skeptics,DRdil, they will think twice before they open their mouth. grin grin grin grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 3:35pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 01:35am, swiftjustice wrote:
Hello folks,
what would you all do if a real other-world Alien landed in your back yard?

Hopefully I would no longer have to read your dribble.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by ABCStore on Jul 19th, 2007, 3:41pm

Apparently there are only a few people left interested in the subject. Thread is slowly turning into spam sad

ABC
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 19th, 2007, 3:52pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 3:41pm, ABCStore wrote:
Apparently there are only a few people left interested in the subject. Thread is slowly turning into spam sadABC


That's the thing about Spam, it makes people dribble.

ABC, I think what's happened is that we've hit a wall. Everything has been picked apart and examined upside down and inside out. New material is desperately needed. That's what my cautionary note to Isaac was about. He has the momentum now to propel him toward his goal of disclosure. That might not be the case next week. Releasing things piecemeal is not the way to go IMHO.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 3:58pm

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Just rec'd from LMH within the last hour. This is a new hi-res scan. Thank you Linda!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:09pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 3:41pm, ABCStore wrote:
Apparently there are only a few people left interested in the subject. Thread is slowly turning into spam sad

ABC

This thread totals over 250 pages, if a little light relief isn’t allowed (started and finished in a page or so may I add) then it’s not an open forum!! I assume it’s page 32 you’re talking about, which was a joke in it’s entirety and I wasn’t the only culprit, but I accept full responsibility for initiating it. And regarding, “Spam” it was a joke made at a RELEVANT comment.

on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:09pm, ABCStore wrote:
Go back to Reply #438 in this thread and look at the top two images using stereoscopic vision, like watching stereograms. Because of a slight movement of the craft between shots you'll get pretty good 3D view of it.
ABC


I didn’t question this at the time, but again I assume it’s this comment that was lost in the, “Spam” that caused you to take offence. I didn’t question it as I didn’t want to appear ignorant, but what the hell…..

What is the point you are making? If it is purely the, “Stereogram” effect, then it’s an optical illusion isn’t it? Or a, “Magic eye” image?

And to view them using, “Stereoscopic vision” isn’t that simply viewing a slightly different image in each eye? I didn’t and don’t see the relevance or reasoning behind this so didn’t question it, but as you’ve stated this thread is apparently turning to spam………………………..

Possibly a more practical approach would be to apply the Zipf-Mandelbrot law (Zipf's law) to the entire linguistic schematic (which I am trying and failing to draw any satisfactory conclusions) or would that too be spam?

And TIA, did LMH email you that image or upload it somewhere? I’ve checked Earthfiles but can’t see any reference to it..
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:11pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 3:41pm, ABCStore wrote:
Apparently there are only a few people left interested in the subject. Thread is slowly turning into spam sad

ABC
Hopefully thinking, it may not matter anymore. Here are three positive thoughts..

Maybe this case has entered a new phase being it is begining to weave itself around the net. This is a good thing. It can reach more inquiring minds.

More elderly folks that had been sworn to secrecy may begin speaking out as the end of their road nears.

The most recent crop circles may support some of the work that has been accomplished by this thread regarding the drones. My guess is microwave will play a key role and that could link the circle makers with suspected drone cloaking system technology.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:14pm

Wow! excellent hirezpic!!

Hey now I see the man..oh no,..he's playing with himself!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:15pm

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Just rec'd from LMH within the last hour. This is a new hi-res scan. Thank you Linda!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:18pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:14pm, AgentM wrote:
Wow! excellent hirezpic!!

Hey now I see the man..oh no,..he's playing with himself!


Does this mean that she might actually have an update soon? One can dream smiley.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:18pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:15pm, urantia606 wrote:
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Just rec'd from LMH within the last hour. This is a new hi-res scan. Thank you Linda!

Can you upload the files somewhere?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:19pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:24pm, DrDil wrote:
I must admit (considering your previous posts) my money was on the Naboo N-1 Starfighter. But, in answer it wasn’t the two tailed test and the safety factor was an induced proprietary thus simultaneously both facilitating and negating the premise to the Nth degree.
Now, let’s call a spade a digging implement and be done with this nihilistic, decadent and meandering diatribe.


Me, and 86% of my entire family, sincerely regret any part we may have had in encouraging this jocularity. My sincere apologies to one and all.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:27pm

I'm not a bit sorry - minor though my part was (I fed into it). Ignorance is bliss and sometimes a little bliss ain't such a bad thing smiley!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:28pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:18pm, DrDil wrote:
Can you upload the files somewhere?


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What happened to our rider?

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I am begining to think that it is just an optical conclusion.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:33pm

It is clear we all needed a little humorous break from all the real-life drama being played out on here over the last several weeks. It is a great relief when some new information/photos come along to rejuvinate both interest and spirits of hopefulness.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:37pm

The design lines of the main centre ring are very similar to those of Issac's artifact.

Portions of the outer rings are also similar in shape to Issac's two curved segments.

Form follows function.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DdP on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:05pm

you can dl the HR from here (2.28Mo) :
http://ovnis-usa.com/images/DroneBigBasin1Ty1200_large.jpg
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:05pm

Ok,

I emailed LMH again this morning asking about the hi res pics. Obviously I'm not the only one doing so. Any way, I just arrived home and there is a 2.28 MB hi res of the aa Ty pic in my in basket. I have to admit that I thought I saw an oddity in that pic but the hi res pic shows there is no "occupant". So what does this all mean? It could mean that I was wrong and that there is no occupant and it was only a trick of the light shining off of different parts of the cage.

But the search for an occupant is still not over. I will not be convinced that there is nothing in that cage until I see some of the other pics in hi res. I would really like to see dd, gg and kk before I give up.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by wreckage on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:08pm

Castles' said: "This drone doesn't match any that we have so far, though, is that correct?"

No, it isn't.
As I posted when the photo first appeared, it closely resembles this alleged witnesses' memory;

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:10pm

http://www.divshare.com/image/1315375-9ce

This is the link for the new hi=res photo. It more than fills the entire 17" screen of my PC.

The file is very large.

Thank you Linda. Such a nice lady.

Urantia....dougster
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:13pm

The panels on the main ring actually do seem to contain the linguistic primer.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:19pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:05pm, DdP wrote:
you can dl the HR from here (2.28Mo) :
http://ovnis-usa.com/images/DroneBigBasin1Ty1200_large.jpg


With all respect the link above is not the complete pic file.

If you want the large version go to the link I provided in my post # 503
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:20pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:08pm, wreckage wrote:
Castles' said: "This drone doesn't match any that we have so far, though, is that correct?"

No, it isn't.
As I posted when the photo first appeared, it closely resembles this alleged witnesses' memory;

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That drone could be holding the quadrapod device sitting in the field from the "no report" pic.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by WelshJester on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:29pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 1:18pm, DrDil wrote:
I know what you mean about the UAV, but the tenuous paddle support sort of negates that fact. So now you’ve read up a little bit on it what is your current opinion?

My opinion is that i really have no idea what it is, if it were a UAV then it wouldnt (or should i say shouldnt?) have a bottom to it like that, it just looks too odd is another reason it cant be a UAV, at least not one we know of.

I've seen a real ufo myself along with my father and sister, a big glowing ball of light that moved silently across the sky. Split into 2 balls of light and slowly went out like a flame on a log in the distance. Even my father says he never has seen anything like it. It almost went directly over head. I know you get real experts saying about what they have seen and people believe them more because they arent so skeptical of a hoax, but from what i saw you dont need to be any expert to know it wasnt earthly phenomena. Of course hardly anybody believed me when i posted about it on another forum.

I do believe something exists, i dont know what it is but it seems like a rare thing to see a real ufo.

Sorry for going a little bit off topic there, just wanted to share my thoughts.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:31pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:13pm, AgentM wrote:
The panels on the main ring actually do seem to contain the linguistic primer.


Yes it does... but I find that confusing.

The explanation states the language is actually a program that executes… so why does it need the primer or schematic (to make it do what – what can't the language do)? Within the story line… I’m not getting it.

But I l have to admit… it links this sighting to Isaac… so is Isaac on the straight and narrow or is he leading us down the path. (there's a hole in the bucket........)

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:43pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:29pm, WelshJester wrote:
My opinion is that i really have no idea what it is, if it were a UAV then it wouldnt (or should i say shouldnt?) have a bottom to it like that, it just looks too odd is another reason it cant be a UAV, at least not one we know of.


The "paddel" arm is probably the sensor array.
The rings are antigrav
And the cage is to do with cloaking.

Thats my take only.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by WelshJester on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:45pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:43pm, AgentM wrote:
The "padel" arm is probably the sensor array.
The rings are antigrav
And the cage is to do with cloaking.

Thats my take only.

if the rings are antigrav (IF)

doesnt that mean E.T or wherever these things came from, has stepped up their technology?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AmberPheonix on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:51pm

I think you guys are having a bad influence on me... I'm starting to see R2-D2 in the high-res pics...
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by kirog on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:00pm

There´s something about this image that doesn´t fit... maybe it has something to do with the plain white background.. or has this already been discussed? And this cage... on the first glance one could assume that it is some device to catch and hold something with these mechanic "fingers" inside the main columns... silly thought but I have to say it.. cattle.. just kidding.
And the symbols.. All of this is sooo Isaac...
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:02pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 01:35am, swiftjustice wrote:
Hello folks,
I have been trying to find some intelligible technical
analysis from somebody on the "Strange Craft-Drone"
photographs. Perhaps this why I am now attempting
to communicate some rationale in regard to these obviously faked photographs. Such a contraption cannot 'fly'. The one photograph showing the launch device underneath it, is a mystery. Why the photographer did not take it with him for analysis beats me. I see no power source or purpose for this craft. It has no cameras. It could be shot down with a 12 gauge shotgun, which is exactly what I will do if it 'flies' over my property. Listen, if it is alien technology built by some black ops organization then what purpose does it have? Exactly! It has no purpose.
I used to think that this was a fairly serious UFO website.
Not any more. I used to consult with the British Police in UFO sightings back in the 70's. They at least had some respect for my Aviation knowledge. Do yourselves a big favor and recognize a spoof when you see one. For goodness sake, what would you all do if a real other-world Alien landed in your back yard?


Why would you want to discuss such an obvious fake, why waste your time ?
If you had been reading instead of sherming you'd realize that aerodynamics have nothing to do with this technology. Everything HAS to have a prop or jet engine ?
If that flew over your home and you shot at it you'd be a fool to do so. It's up there without your precious prop or jet engine.............man that's just plain Hillybilly (yuk yuk, slaps knee, spits out a tooth).
Fire away Clem !!!!!!


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:10pm

Does anybody else think that the curvature of the connecting lines has any relevance?

I’ve never really considered it before, but of the language is functional, then a logical progression would be that the lines are also an integral part of the function.
I only mention it because they are a lot more noticeable when they are taken out of context of the, “Linguistic Primer”,

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And if this is the case, then literally the length, width and depth of the curve would also be significant and would alter the function, or render it inoperable, also the size of the connecting line would have to be relative to all the other symbols contained within any given schematic.

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Does anyone see a closer match than the above image?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AmberPheonix on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:14pm

Or, perhaps the lines are part of the langague itself? Sorry if it's a bit out there. But there's a chance isn't there?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:18pm

Couple of things -

On the panels with the symbols, they appear to be embossed or inlaid and not "printed".

One of the circular symbols - the same on each panel - has a whiter background. Why?

I know this is a very primitive human analogy, but it looks like circuit in that the curved lines act like old fashioned wires might to connect the commands, maybe the sequence or flow of data? Do they direct the energy to the execution points? I'm not saying that right sad.

My instinct (for lack of a better word) is that these are closer to signals than symbols (I know, that's from the "weird" thread smiley).

What's causing the blue aura in places? Is that because the scans were adjusted?

More questions than answers!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:27pm

This is from our French friends so the translation is a bit off (not sure where the original came from so pardon the lack of credit). This is what I mean by signals -

"Pidube announces me that he is an electronics specialist: “I work out electronic and in particular electromagnetic safety devices. I am a large amateur of prohibited or forgotten science, with a very particular interest for the Tesla genius. I am assidument the history of Drônes, and a recent remark justified me to announce posssibility to you of interpretation of the cabalistic signs, like “instructions”:

indeed, if one takes again the terms evoked by Isaac and that one connects them to brilliant Tesla, one can compare indeed each sign like having a clean frequency of resonance, just like Tags which one finds on clothing in the department stores or in the access controls, those “being activated” by a frequency for which they are granted.

Also, simple assumption to be dug, if each initials had its own frequency of resonance and that one sweeps the machine with a frequency band, each sign could be activated sequentially at the time of resonance, by making a set of instructions.


When I speak about frequencies, that can just as easily be conventionelles frequencies, such of the microwaves (with considering these signs resemble more guides of waves than has coils in circuit tuned), but they can very well also be activated by scalar waves!!! (cf Tesla, Tom Bearden etc…). “
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:28pm

The HighRes image makes the case, I think, that the curved prongs are hinged at the bottom and can swing down. But, if they are meant to pick up things, they should bend the opposite way. The design of that plumb bob thingy hanging down is really imaginative. Lots of detail to mull over.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:31pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:18pm, MarkM wrote:
My instinct (for lack of a better word) is that these are closer to signals than symbols (I know, that's from the "weird" thread smiley).

What's causing the blue aura in places? Is that because the scans were adjusted?

More questions than answers!
I think your instincts are correct. Logic and simplicity are probably characteristic of ET design.

I think the aura is a feild emitted by the craft.
Is it true that by adjusting a scan in any way you cannot bring out something unless it is already there to begin with in some form?
I mean can something come from nothing by changing settings?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:31pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:10pm, DrDil wrote:
Does anybody else think that the curvature of the connecting lines has any relevance?


Yes, it's been discussed elsewhere that the straight and/or curved lines may represent a 3D z-axis co-ordinate placement where that schematic is actually a method for drawing 3D (or more) diagrams onto a 2D surface.



Quote:
And if this is the case, then literally the length, width and depth of the curve would also be significant and would alter the function, or render it inoperable, also the size of the connecting line would have to be relative to all the other symbols contained within any given schematic.


It's probably much like or electronic schematics. Lines, curves, and characters are all important, but the exact length of the line or curve is not important. I think the same goes here -- some things can be ignored, for example if a fly excretes on the lettering -- I do not think the craft will crash, but if someone blasted a hole in the lettering with a 12 gauge -- then the function would most likely be affected.



Quote:
Does anyone see a closer match than the above image?


All four panels of that working craft are different. It is very likely that the panel Isaac was using from downed ET for the CARET transcription was a totally different panel. So, yes there will be similarities, but I cannot see anything that matches perfectly to the LAP.

One thing to note is that the LAP is mono-chromatic, and the craft side panels are bi-chromatic.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:38pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:10pm, DrDil wrote:
Does anybody else think that the curvature of the connecting lines has any relevance?

I’ve never really considered it before, but of the language is functional, then a logical progression would be that the lines are also an integral part of the function.
I only mention it because they are a lot more noticeable when they are taken out of context of the, “Linguistic Primer”,

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And if this is the case, then literally the length, width and depth of the curve would also be significant and would alter the function, or render it inoperable, also the size of the connecting line would have to be relative to all the other symbols contained within any given schematic.

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Does anyone see a closer match than the above image?


While this panel on the craft looks similar, there are no matches with Isaac's primer. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

And for a circuit to work, shouldn't there be a continuous flow... look like two separate "circuits" if we can assume that. We are left to assume again... undecided

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by drewlac on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:51pm

I'm a bit confused here, can someone help set me straight? huh? This is the first time these hi-res photos are released correct? The symbols/primer language are barely noticeable in the low-res photos. Are we assuming that Isaac able to pick these out from the low-res pics or did he have access to the high-res ones.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LAU on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:56pm

The blue aura someone mentioned is clearly a chromatic aberration from the lens.
If you don't believe me, take a photo with a high-res in a lot of light, and anything in the way will have cyan + magenta auras, depending on the position of the object.

The colors seen on the diagrams seems like a lens chomatic aberration to me, due to over-exposure.
The overcast sky screwed up the auto-setting of the camera, that over-compensated the overcast sky, making the sky become white and the rest of the picture loose most color.
To me, all diagrams are 2 color only!

Besides all your efforts of analysis, I see nothing peculiar on those photos, and even the over-exposure in auto-mode is normal in many of the pictures I've taken in the last years using several digital cameras.

My 2 cents...

Edit:
The color shifting in the diagrams can also be the result of post-processing:
If the original images came too dark (due to overcast sky), the JPG compression would have destroyed the detail of some dark areas.
When later someone increased the brightness in an image editor, the JPG artifacts would stand out, creating these color aberrations we see.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:00pm

Of course everything in the diagram has a purpose, even the space between. The curve of the lines the angle of the line in relation to other parts of the diagram, the thickness, the placement of thick and thin, everything. It is the whole arrangement that causes the functioning of the thinking material it is placed on. The diagrams act a a filter or interface between the fields and the material necessary to carry out the functions purpose.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by El Charrua on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:06pm

Just maybe they are wearing a suit similar to this one but much more advancedhuhhuh?

http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invinvisible.html

What do you all think
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:06pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:56pm, LAU wrote:
The blue aura someone mentioned is clearly a chromatic aberration from the lens.
If you don't believe me, take a photo with a high-res in a lot of light, and anything in the way will have cyan + magenta auras, depending on the position of the object.

The colors seen on the diagrams seems like a lens chomatic aberration to me, due to over-exposure.
The overcast sky screwed up the auto-setting of the camera, that over-compensated the overcast sky, making the sky become white and the rest of the picture loose most color.
To me, all diagrams are 2 color only!

Besides all your efforts of analysis, I see nothing peculiar on those photos, and even the over-exposure in auto-mode is normal in many of the pictures I've taken in the last years using several digital cameras.

My 2 cents...

Edit:
The color shifting in the diagrams can also be the result of post-processing:
If the original images came too dark (due to overcast sky), the JPG compression would have destroyed the detail of some dark areas.
When later someone increased the brightness in an image editor, the JPG artifacts would stand out, creating these color aberrations we see.


You are 100% correct. From my use of Digital cameras the same colors appear.

I also see nothing strange about these hi-res pics..
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:09pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:51pm, drewlac wrote:
I'm a bit confused here, can someone help set me straight? huh? This is the first time these hi-res photos are released correct? The symbols/primer language are barely noticeable in the low-res photos. Are we assuming that Isaac able to pick these out from the low-res pics or did he have access to the high-res ones.


Yes, this new hi-res pic was just released about three hours ago.

I do not think Isaac had access to these hi-res pics.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:11pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:51pm, drewlac wrote:
I'm a bit confused here, can someone help set me straight? huh? This is the first time these hi-res photos are released correct? The symbols/primer language are barely noticeable in the low-res photos. Are we assuming that Isaac able to pick these out from the low-res pics or did he have access to the high-res ones.


Here's the story.
1. 1986: Isaac works for many months if not years transcribing a real piece of downed ET craft into the LAP. He should be able to remember what the original panel looked like after spending that much time with it.
2. 2007: Isaac sees the same panel, only a bit blurry in a photo. He makes the connection.
3. Today, LMH finally releases that hi-res photo of the panel that many of us already noticed patterns on before, now everyone can see the patterns.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:19pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 6:51pm, drewlac wrote:
I'm a bit confused here, can someone help set me straight? huh? This is the first time these hi-res photos are released correct? The symbols/primer language are barely noticeable in the low-res photos. Are we assuming that Isaac able to pick these out from the low-res pics or did he have access to the high-res ones.


Either Isaac knowing what should be there did not need to see the high rez pics… (because he is the real deal)...

Or Isaac already knowing what should be there, released a primer that is like it... (Isaac is not the real deal).

The question is Isaac releasing information or disinformation.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:22pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:06pm, el charrua wrote:
Just maybe they are wearing a suit similar to this one but much more advancedhuhhuh?

http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invinvisible.html

What do you all think


I think that is simply a reflective material (much like the screen in movie theaters). A projector behind the observer is putting that image on his coat.

In the case of the drones, a projector would be required on the ground so that any observers could not see what is going on -- a two part system -- that is even more unlikely I think than the idea of invisibility.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:22pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 3:58pm, urantia606 wrote:
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Just rec'd from LMH within the last hour. This is a new hi-res scan. Thank you Linda!
latitude; I think our grey is still in the picture. here is what I see, If you follow the plum line back up to where you marked the two eyes, and folow what will or looks like a body of a grey laying over the middle of the center cage. now to me it looks like it is pulling on the plum line ,my be an illusion yet this is what I see.check it out . cool
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:29pm

You have to admit, seeing this thing with this much detail is awesome to behold. It even has a shadow from the two rings coming down onto the main body.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:33pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:22pm, jugement wrote:
latitude; I think our grey is still in the picture. here is what I see, If you follow the plum line back up to where you marked the two eyes, and folow what will or looks like a body of a grey laying over the middle of the center cage. now to me it looks like it is pulling on the plum line ,my be an illusion yet this is what I see.check it out . cool


No it's not. If you haven't already, you should download the 2.3 MB version from the link that Urantia posted. You'll see the "alien" is only a trick of light off the cage parts. The inside parts turned out not to be as I suspected.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:36pm

okay latitude I got it, I just dont want et to escape, he needs to be disclosed also. so we cant let them slip up on us. grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:43pm

http://www.divshare.com/image/1315375-9ce

This is the link for the new hi=res photo. It more than fills the entire 17" screen of my PC.

The file is very large. The pic is 4300x2300...dpl.

Thank you Linda. Such a nice lady.

Urantia....dougster
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:46pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:11pm, onthefence55 wrote:
Here's the story.
1. 1986: Isaac works for many months if not years transcribing a real piece of downed ET craft into the LAP. He should be able to remember what the original panel looked like after spending that much time with it.
2. 2007: Isaac sees the same panel, only a bit blurry in a photo. He makes the connection.
3. Today, LMH finally releases that hi-res photo of the panel that many of us already noticed patterns on before, now everyone can see the patterns.

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I believe it was the Rings that caught his eye, and the Characters on the long arm.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:48pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:22pm, jugement wrote:
latitude; I think our grey is still in the picture. here is what I see, If you follow the plum line back up to where you marked the two eyes, and folow what will or looks like a body of a grey laying over the middle of the center cage. now to me it looks like it is pulling on the plum line ,my be an illusion yet this is what I see.check it out . cool


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Above is the illusion... more specifically the photo on the left.

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The figure is missing in the high rez photo. It appears to be an illusion that depend on the angle of view with all of the busyness that creates it.




Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:53pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:43pm, urantia606 wrote:
http://www.divshare.com/image/1315375-9ce

This is the link for the new hi=res photo. It more than fills the entire 17" screen of my PC.

The file is very large. The pic is 4300x2300...dpl.

Thank you Linda. Such a nice lady.

Urantia....dougster


Awesome Pic!!!!!!!!!!!

(And don't beat me up).... but it really looks cut out, look at the boarders with the background.

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:56pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:48pm, bakosawa wrote:
The figure is missing in the high rez photo. It appears to be an illusion that depend on the angle of view with all of the busyness that creates it.


In my own feeble defense I guess I should mention I never saw anything in this pic. This one is "aa". Those two I used were "gg" and "kk".
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:14pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:53pm, bakosawa wrote:
Awesome Pic!!!!!!!!!!!

(And don't beat me up).... but it really looks cut out, look at the boarders with the background.

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I don't understand what you mean by 'cut out'.

Please give me some clues as to what you are trying to say..


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:14pm

After looking at the wires strapped back on the ring and the inside of the cage with similar strapped wires, I thought it looked similar to this kind of antenna that is too long for cars but often strapped back:

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I could not find an actual image of this kind of strapped back antenna so I drew it onto this SUV.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by drewlac on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:23pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:11pm, onthefence55 wrote:
Here's the story.
1. 1986: Isaac works for many months if not years transcribing a real piece of downed ET craft into the LAP. He should be able to remember what the original panel looked like after spending that much time with it.
2. 2007: Isaac sees the same panel, only a bit blurry in a photo. He makes the connection.
3. Today, LMH finally releases that hi-res photo of the panel that many of us already noticed patterns on before, now everyone can see the patterns.

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thank you for the detailed explaination . In my opinion, this gives Isaac's story additional credibility cheesy I went back and reread his original explaination.

I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos. They appear in a very simple form on Chad’s craft, but appear in the more complex diagram form on the underside of the Big Basin craft as well. Both are unmistakable, even at the small size of the Big Basin photos.
An example of a diagram in the style of the Big Basin craft is included with this in a series of scanned pages from the [mistitled] "Linguistic Analysis Primer". We needed a copy of that diagram to be utterly precise, and it took about a month for a team of six to copy that diagram into our drafting program!

Also, by his statement which I've underlined, his intent was to provide and example of the primer, not necessarily a match.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:29pm

got it drewlac, I went back to re-re-re-read it
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:31pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:46pm, LangLee wrote:
I believe it was the Rings that caught his eye, and the Characters on the long arm.


No, I think you are mistaken.

The following is directly from Isaacs quote:

Quote:
I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos. They appear in a very simple form on Chad’s craft, but appear in the more complex diagram form on the underside of the Big Basin craft as well. Both are unmistakable, even at the small size of the Big Basin photos. An example of a diagram in the style of the Big Basin craft is included with this in a series of scanned pages from the [mistitled] "Linguistic Analysis Primer". We needed a copy of that diagram to be utterly precise, and it took about a month for a team of six to copy that diagram into our drafting program!


There is no mention of the rings.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:45pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:53pm, bakosawa wrote:
Awesome Pic!!!!!!!!!!!

(And don't beat me up).... but it really looks cut out, look at the boarders with the background.



If you are talking about the blue outline:

It's called "Chromatic Aberration"

Quote:
In optics, chromatic aberration is caused by a lens having a different refractive index for different wavelengths of light (the dispersion of the lens). The term "purple fringing" is commonly used in photography, although not all purple fringing can be attributed to chromatic aberration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:49pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:51pm, AmberPheonix wrote:
I think you guys are having a bad influence on me... I'm starting to see R2-D2 in the high-res pics...


That's ok, on the left panel, when i zoomed in, I saw a human face...which reminded me of Jimmy Carter (tho a bit blurry)
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:55pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:31pm, onthefence55 wrote:
Isaac quote - [quote]I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos. They appear in a very simple form on Chad’s craft, but appear in the more complex diagram form on the underside of the Big Basin craft as well. Both are unmistakable, even at the small size of the Big Basin photos. An example of a diagram in the style of the Big Basin craft is included with this in a series of scanned pages from the [mistitled] "Linguistic Analysis Primer". We needed a copy of that diagram to be utterly precise, and it took about a month for a team of six to copy that diagram into our drafting program!

I wish I had my hands on just one of those "six"!
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:59pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:23pm, drewlac wrote:
thank you for the detailed explaination . In my opinion, this gives Isaac's story additional credibility.


You bet it does! This is a good day when we have such discovery that once again tips the scales.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by hjdelight on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:00pm

I never saw the "Primer" symbols and the curved lines until now with the hi-res scans. The markings on the side panel link Isaac's release with the drones for sure. I have to tell you, I've wavered bewteen hoax and genuine for a long time now, but I'm ready to put my money on genuine now. I think the work that's been done by the people on this forum has been "professional grade" and if it was a hoax, someone would have been able to substantiate that by now. That hasn't happened in any concrete way. cool

And is it just me or does the hi-res show that the drone is dirty? It looks like it's been flying around in smog for awhile to me.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:03pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:59pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
You bet it does! This is a good day when we have such discovery that once again tips the scales.
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I without all the work ,is still sure thease crafts or drones are real, with or without the six.yet for those that are not sure, I can understand. cool
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:05pm

The more I look at the drone the more beautiful it becomes. It is magnificent, a work of art.

We discussed this about 250 pages ago, but what pops out at me with the HR pic is how utilitarian it appears.

Geologic Survey; more specific tectonic energy.

Back to the fault line.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:08pm

That will not happen because it is not a hoax. The game will continue for many. I strongly suggest that if and when these things show up again, no one be foolish enough to even think of taking action of any aggressive nature.

BTW is this gold plating I see and is it for conductive reasons.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:09pm

hey hjdelight; I dont think an hoaxester will ever show up on this one.He or she would have a lot to much to explain ,dont you all agree? cool
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:18pm

HEy Latitude; IT my not be a et in the craft yet we know et sent it. It did not build it self. so we still win ,more points. cool
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by drewlac on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:19pm

Is it safe to assume that the other high-res pics that LMH has will be released soon too?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by hjdelight on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:20pm

I wouldn't want to explain all of this. It would be just impossible to sound sane.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:20pm

I marvel at the craftsmanship of the drone componants.

Clearly similar in conceptual form as the Issac artifacts.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by hjdelight on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:26pm

Wow! It's practically overwhelming to look at the HR pictures under a magnification. It's real folks! This is no CGI or model. We have drones floating around that we can't detect!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:34pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:05pm, AgentM wrote:
The more I look at the drone the more beautiful it becomes. It is magnificent, a work of art.

We discussed this about 250 pages ago, but what pops out at me with the HR pic is how utilitarian it appears.

Geologic Survey; more specific tectonic energy.

Back to the fault line.


It is beautiful but at the same time, it's almost not what we would expect from the aliens. It's cumbersome, it has a frame and a few other things that make it appear 21st century. This is again why I think that the aliens used a very old technology of their own in case it were to fall out of the sky, like it appears to have done.

Obviously, if they knew beforehand that such things would happen, then it's a gimmie that they DID want us to increase our technology a little faster yet. I'm sure that these are all the secrets that the military already know and probably a handfull of government officials.

Do you see now why Isaac cares to be anonymous. He's sitting on gold, literally GOLD!

Even the military that is visiting the forum over the past few days know this. lol
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:36pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:08pm, leviathan6 wrote:
BTW is this gold plating I see and is it for conductive reasons. It has been theorized (references please) that we were placed on Earth by aliens to harvest gold and then sometime later our masters would come to collect what we now carry as jewelry on our body and in our bank vaults.


Good point:

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The two edges of both the panels and the main fin bear similarities. Almost as if they are there for conductive rather than instructive purposes.

Gold is one of the better conductors that does not oxidize, and would be especially useful for outdoor electrical connections (if cost is not a factor).

It was earlier theorized that the area these drones were showing up was in close proximity to the gold rush locale of the 1840s. Maybe these "drones" are mining more gold.

It has been theorized (references please) that we were placed on Earth by aliens to harvest gold and then sometime later our masters would come to collect what we now carry as jewelry on our body and in our bank vaults.


edit: system error wiped my most beautiful post smiley
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:43pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:08pm, leviathan6 wrote:
That will not happen because it is not a hoax. The game will continue for many. I strongly suggest that if and when these things show up again, no one be foolish enough to even think of taking action of any aggressive nature.

BTW is this gold plating I see and is it for conductive reasons.


I sure hope not, that wouldn't be good for anyone.
Besides, you'd have to figure that it's protected from assaults, birds, debris........by the field it generates for flight ?
Damn thing is quite the work of art, but there is something about the Rajman/Capitola drone that has captured my heart.
Maybe I had better find something else to do lol.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:43pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:19pm, drewlac wrote:
Is it safe to assume that the other high-res pics that LMH has will be released soon too?


I sure hope so but I would not hold my breath. One a week would be nice.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:44pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:36pm, onthefence55 wrote:
The jewelry on your body is your soul.


I accidentally messed up your post and clicked modify instead of quote - sorry

And then I did it again in here - because that's my quote not yours. lol


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:47pm

hey onthefence; that is corect about what you said , which we were made to mine the gold here on earth as salves. now I can show you that ealse were in the bible yet I want go off topic. cool
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by hjdelight on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:48pm

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Does anyone see a problem with this image? That's because there is none.
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Post by leviathan6 on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:59pm

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I have tried to enhance this picture and have reduced its size. It is a beautiful object and the detail is amazing. The connectors that hold the various rings seem to be spaced at regular intervals. If this is CG then it is the best I have ever seen. The reality and design of this object is stunning.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:59pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:47pm, jugement wrote:
hey onthefence; that is corect about what you said , which we were made to mine the gold here on earth as salves. now I can show you that ealse were in the bible yet I want go off topic. cool


A simple reference to the bible can't hurt. Please show me/us.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:08pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:48pm, bakosawa wrote:
The figure is missing in the high rez photo. It appears to be an illusion that depend on the angle of view with all of the busyness that creates it.


You know what else that nobody brought up and it's so prevalent with what we're doing here. You're staring into a monitor and are continually trying to focus on light. Our eyes were not designed to focus on light. I've got a plasma screen but just the same, I'm still staring at a big rectangular light.

Your eyes will prematurely dry too. When they're dry, you'll see lots of things that aren't really there because you're not focusing as well.

This is one very good reason that the forum is mostly grey and black because it reduces the light. When I go to a white page on the Internet, I many times feel pain in my eyes when it opens. That's pain is from accumulative damage that I've acquired through the day. It repairs but it can slowly cause problems.

Open this very white Google screen up and see what you feel. http://www.google.com/

Consistent dry eyes, which one can get with older monitors can cause permanent damage. You need to remember to blink frequently - or buy a newer monitor.

Mayo Clinic on monitors
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/eyestrain/WL00060


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:14pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:59pm, onthefence55 wrote:
A simple reference to the bible can't hurt. Please show me/us.
sorry it took so long,I was looking for, a verse where gd, was talking and he said their was no one to till the ground, yet it hint at what we was made as slaves in genesis chpt 2v11,16. I will search for it tomorow and place it on the right topic.okay winkfound it genesis chpt,2v 5
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:23pm

You know what I find to be one of the most fascinating aspects of this unfolding drama? This drone has evolved from a "menacing" "war machine" into a "beautiful" "work of art".

Perception is everything. I believe that applies to both these craft - and their inventors. Understanding changes many things. Whatever these are, whatever "they" are, needs to be understood - before we decide how to respond.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:26pm

Oh yes, the Drone is a beautiful piece of technological eye candy. Very functional. Nothing extra.

As we are in contact with several different races of ET, I have not been informed which race this technology comes from.

Of course, I wonder, what is it's purpose? I get the feeling that these ET do not do this just for nothing.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by hjdelight on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:33pm

It's quite incredible. If it's not a real object or a model, I bow to the creator and to the extensive background created for it. I'm leaving for Alaska but I wish I could continue here and see how this plays out. Keep up the good work, all of you.

HJ
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:34pm

ALSO GOLD IS USED ON AND INSIDE THE SPACE SHUTTLE ON THE LINING OF THE WINDOWS, TO DEFELTE THE SUN ,FROM ITS BRIGHTNESS, ALSO I LEARNED THE THOSE SAME BEINGS THAT MADE US SLAVES WHERE IN A WAR ,the planet that was destroyed by a calision by NIbiru that visites earth every 49,ooo years their planet was atacted by drcos army of ships ,shooting a depleter sheild at the beings from orion where nibiru is from and tore a hole in their ozone layer. this alowed the suns atroviolet light to get in making that planet soon to be unhabitable. so they came up with the idea to mine gold and take it back to riz to build an artifisal ozone layer. ato you know the story. wink
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:34pm

I agree, not likely just for flitting around California!

If I were to guess - and that's all it would be - if it's ET directing it I'd say that it's monitoring the environment and collecting samples. If it's military (based on ET tech) my bet would be on intercepting (microwave) communications.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:58pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:33pm, hjdelight wrote:
It's quite incredible. If it's not a real object or a model, I bow to the creator and to the extensive background created for it. I'm leaving for Alaska but I wish I could continue here and see how this plays out. Keep up the good work, all of you.

HJ
Have a great trip .
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:59pm

The large rings are indentical. I flipped the ring from CARET, placed it under the large ring in Hi resolution, and there is no difference (other than the obvious spikes when in operation).
What are you supposed to do when all of these things are adding up as they are ? All these pieces that are fitting together without any force so to speak.
The point at the end of the cage even has details.......this is crazy.
Sort of waiting for the other shoe to drop too.........yup, this is crazy.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:25pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:59pm, LangLee wrote:
The large rings are indentical. I flipped the ring from CARET, placed it under the large ring in Hi resolution, and there is no difference (other than the obvious spikes when in operation).
What are you supposed to do when all of these things are adding up as they are ? All these pieces that are fitting together without any force so to speak.
The point at the end of the cage even has details.......this is crazy.
Sort of waiting for the other shoe to drop too.........yup, this is crazy.


Visual aid:

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:25pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:34pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I'm sure that these are all the secrets that the military already know and probably a handfull of government officials.
Even the military that is visiting the forum over the past few days know this. lol
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Dear ATO:
Good contacts inform that not just the military, but also the CIA and DoHS are monitoring this forum. Guess what folks--this is the real deal!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:37pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:25pm, starsigndavid wrote:
Dear ATO:
Good contacts inform that not just the military, but also the CIA and DoHS are monitoring this forum. Guess what folks--this is the real deal!


Expound please.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by chgowriter on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:39pm

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:02am, GForce wrote:
Mark I hope it's the first one as well. But what concerns me is there's no new material out from Issac. If there's no new information forth coming them the story will die eventually. When that happen if Issac were to magically reappear with new information THEN I would believe his part IE the documents are a hoax. For me to believe the documents are true I need new information. In other words "I don't want to be played!" It happens a lot. Look at Serpo and how they release information a little at a time. Most believe now it was a hoax. IF Issac is real and iF he is free then he should release everything he has NOW. If not and what he says is true then there's a lot of people looking for him. And if he were caught he has no bargaining chip anyway. So to me it doesn't make sense to sit on it and possibly fail to get it out. That's the main problem I have with him. In other words "Poo or get off the pot!"


There's also a pretty well-known strategy for whistle-blowers. You go very public with everything you have and with your true identity. When everyone -- media, public, government or whomever -- knows who you are, if you're jailed or have some funny kind of accident, it raises a whole lot of questions.

Several spies from the world wars and the cold war survived only because their deaths would have tended to verify the truths they revealed... And made them martyrs.

Hit-and-run, the way Isaac and the others have done this, is really not very smart. Perhaps he should have contacted Stephen Greer.

Chgowriter
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:42pm

Onthefence thanks, I didn't know how to post it.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by hjdelight on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:45pm

It's easy to second guess someone on the edge when we are watching from a safe distance. He may have his own reason which you and I know nothing about. Check the facts not the reasoning or method of their release.

Thanks Jugement!

HJ
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:46pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:39pm, chgowriter wrote:
There's also a pretty well-known strategy for whistle-blowers. You go very public with everything you have and with your true identity. When everyone -- media, public, government or whomever -- knows who you are, if you're jailed or have some funny kind of accident, it raises a whole lot of questions.

Several spies from the world wars and the cold war survived only because their deaths would have tended to verify the truths they revealed... And made them martyrs.

Hit-and-run, the way Isaac and the others have done this, is really not very smart. Perhaps he should have contacted Stephen Greer.

Chgowriter


Sounds like the Bob Lazar strategy. He went to TV newsman George Knapp with the whole tamale claiming that there is nothing safer than being in the public eye.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by chgowriter on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:09am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:23pm, drewlac wrote:
thank you for the detailed explaination . In my opinion, this gives Isaac's story additional credibility cheesy I went back and reread his original explaination.

I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos. They appear in a very simple form on Chad’s craft, but appear in the more complex diagram form on the underside of the Big Basin craft as well. Both are unmistakable, even at the small size of the Big Basin photos.
An example of a diagram in the style of the Big Basin craft is included with this in a series of scanned pages from the [mistitled] "Linguistic Analysis Primer". We needed a copy of that diagram to be utterly precise, and it took about a month for a team of six to copy that diagram into our drafting program!

Also, by his statement which I've underlined, his intent was to provide and example of the primer, not necessarily a match.



I wonder how Isaac could see these diagrams in the Big Basin photo. The diagrams were not apparent in that photo until LMH sent the high-res scan. No one here seems to have noticed this and you guys have been all over those photos.

Did Isaac get a high-res scan from LMH before posting his material or what?

Chgowriter
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Post by starsigndavid on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:10am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:37pm, onthefence55 wrote:
Expound please.


Don't think for a moment that we are the only ones watching and following this on THIS forum. We are guinea pigs for how the more involved levels of the general public will finally respond to the truth that we are not alone here. For those of you who speculated that this may all be part of a deliberate, intentional leak to gauge emotional and psychological response to disclosure, you are right on.
If WE fail this test, which we are not grin, there would be no hope for continuing the pace of disclosure to the general public. A rationale, thoughtful, hopeful and modestly relieved approach to continuing disclosures is exactly what the PTB are looking and hoping for. There will be more to come!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:11am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:25pm, starsigndavid wrote:
Dear ATO:
Good contacts inform that not just the military, but also the CIA and DoHS are monitoring this forum. Guess what folks--this is the real deal!


Ah but the question is........are they the one's in the know, or the one's that want to know ?
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Post by windupbird on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:13am

I figured it out!!!!

They are here to steal our carrots!!!


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The new hi-res photo is great. Why would LMH even bother if she had evidence it was all a hoax?

And why the hell do I have the Mr. Rogers theme song in my head now...
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:15am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:11am, LangLee wrote:
Ah but the question is........are they the one's in the know, or the one's that want to know ?

..an EXCELLENT question. In MY opinion, the government KNOWS they are here, BUT is not absolutely certain as to what it all means. So, they know both more and less than a lot of us "riff raff!"
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:31am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:11am, LangLee wrote:
Ah but the question is........are they the one's in the know, or the one's that want to know ?


Of course they are in the know. Isn't that what Isaac is telling us? They've been in the know since Roswell. Why is it still so hard to believe?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:32am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:31am, Latitude wrote:
Of course they are in the know. Isn't that what Isaac is telling us? They've been in the know since Roswell. Why is it still so hard to believe?


They certainly do know, but they do not fully UNDERSTAND. That is probably a better way for me to phrase it.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:40am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:26pm, urantia606 wrote:
Oh yes, the Drone is a beautiful piece of technological eye candy. Very functional. Nothing extra.

As we are in contact with several different races of ET, I have not been informed which race this technology comes from.

Of course, I wonder, what is it's purpose? I get the feeling that these ET do not do this just for nothing.


Whatever they are doing, they've been doing it for 20+ years. Doesn't that provide some solace?
Just like Isaac said
Quote:
So, despite all the recent fanfare over this, I'd say this doesn't mean much. Most importantly, they aren't suddenly “here”. They've been here for a long time, but just happened to turn unintentionally visible for brief periods recently.



Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:51am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:10am, starsigndavid wrote:
Don't think for a moment that we are the only ones watching and following this on THIS forum. We are guinea pigs for how the more involved levels of the general public will finally respond to the truth that we are not alone here. For those of you who speculated that this may all be part of a deliberate, intentional leak to gauge emotional and psychological response to disclosure, you are right on.
If WE fail this test, which we are not grin, there would be no hope for continuing the pace of disclosure to the general public. A rationale, thoughtful, hopeful and modestly relieved approach to continuing disclosures is exactly what the PTB are looking and hoping for. There will be more to come!


I believe I told you all about my telling this whole story to some friends of mine. It was two couples. The men took it quite well. One of the men even confided that he (and his family) had witnessed a flying saucer hover over their house when he was a kid. He acted very skeptical until he saw the photos and then his entire demeanor changed.

The wives were a different story. One of them refused to look at the photos out of fear. The other looked but refused to believe stating religious reasons. That one I could not understand because I'm a Christian myself and don't see a conflict. Even a high official in the Vatican is a believer.

So from my small test group I'd have to say there are going to be some problems when disclosure comes around.
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Post by starsigndavid on Jul 20th, 2007, 01:05am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:51am, Latitude wrote:
So from my small test group I'd have to say there are going to be some problems when disclosure comes around.


I think your small sampling results would be the same, even given a larger group. I have talked to a few folks who are absolutely terrifed by the prospect, and most of them are women! I don't know why that is. Certainly, the women on this forum are curious, knowledgable and seem to embrace this. I know that you are right, though, Latitude. There could be some very ugly occurences. But it just may have to go down that way, since humanity as a whole, is unlikely to EVER be fully ready. Religious, cultural, intellectual, philosophical differences/biases will always make disclosure and contact a dicey proposition. I just hope no one decides to go ignorantly hostile on our visitors. That could be a disaster.
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Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 20th, 2007, 01:30am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 01:05am, starsigndavid wrote:
I think your small sampling results would be the same, even given a larger group. I have talked to a few folks who are absolutely terrifed by the prospect, and most of them are women! I don't know why that is. Certainly, the women on this forum are curious, knowledgable and seem to embrace this. I know that you are right, though, Latitude. There could be some very ugly occurences. But it just may have to go down that way, since humanity as a whole, is unlikely to EVER be fully ready. Religious, cultural, intellectual, philosophical differences/biases will always make disclosure and contact a dicey proposition. I just hope no one decides to go ignorantly hostile on our visitors. That could be a disaster.



Ya know......it all comes down to Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones in "Men In Black".....

J: "Well, why the big secret? People are smart...they can handle it."

K: "The PERSON is smart. PEOPLE are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it. 1500 years ago everybody KNEW the Earth was the center of the universe. 500 years ago everybody KNEW the Earth was flat and 15 minutes ago you knew that people were alone on this planet...Imagine what you'll know...Tomorrow"


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by HopefulSkeptic on Jul 20th, 2007, 04:13am

I think if the entire Isaac and drone photos thing turned out to be a HOAX.......then we would NEVER believe any future disclosure by any future wannabe Isaacs -- unless they have an actual nuts & bolts spacecraft, or parts of one, in their possession to show to people in person.

And that could be the entire intent of this story, if its a hoax.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LAU on Jul 20th, 2007, 04:50am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:36pm, onthefence55 wrote:
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Gold is one of the better conductors that does not oxidize, and would be especially useful for outdoor electrical connections (if cost is not a factor).



This is NOT gold. It's Chromatic Aberration !


Light main components = Red -> Green -> Blue = RGB
XXX

That can be decomposed in a rainbow:
Infra-red -> Red -> Yelow -> Green -> Cyan -> Blue -> Magenta -> Utra-violet
XXXXXX

The image it's shifted towards the blue spectrum, so it means that the opposite parts of the image image have blue missing -> meaning they are shifted towards red !

The GOLD is only the red-shifting of the chromatic aberration


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Post by LAU on Jul 20th, 2007, 04:57am

By the way, this high-res picture is a good candidate to chromatic-aberration correction --> it will increase the sharpness of the image 2x.

Any experts out there have software that can do that, and the talent to make it happen?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LAU on Jul 20th, 2007, 05:28am

Looking close on the image, it shows some dust.
I believe this picture was taken with a film camera (not digital).
The dust comes from the scanner.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by wreckage on Jul 20th, 2007, 06:41am

"The image it's shifted towards the blue spectrum, so it means that the opposite parts of the image image have blue missing -> meaning they are shifted towards red !

The GOLD is only the red-shifting of the chromatic aberration"

Question from a non-photographer... Would the same effect occur if the image was CGI?

Cheers.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:00am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:59pm, LangLee wrote:
The large rings are indentical. I flipped the ring from CARET, placed it under the large ring in Hi resolution, and there is no difference (other than the obvious spikes when in operation).
What are you supposed to do when all of these things are adding up as they are ? All these pieces that are fitting together without any force so to speak.
The point at the end of the cage even has details.......this is crazy.
Sort of waiting for the other shoe to drop too.........yup, this is crazy.


There's a hole in the bucket....
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by wreckage on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:18am

"...The large rings are indentical."

Not quite.

It is true that the comparison image is of the 'same' ring, but you would have noticed the obvious differences. Look again.

As you have no doubt noticed, there are eight 'sleeves' covering the ring on the BB craft, but only six on the 'inventory' image.

Cheers.
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Post by Nodnunk on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:24am

MarkM wrote:
You know what I find to be one of the most fascinating aspects of this unfolding drama? This drone has evolved from a "menacing" "war machine" into a "beautiful" "work of art".

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Speculation: To my eye the BB object gives the impression of being primarily a search and intel gathering device (as has been stated many times by others here). But anything nosing around in possible hostile skys needs defensive capability. Isaac says it can employ passive defensive measures like invisibility, but probably also has offensive capability. All of its sensors may be capable to operate both passively and actively. We have only seen it operate passively. I have no doubt it has a very strong self preservation "instinct". Imagine if it were threatened what it could do. It may try and run first, but if cornered, rapidly pitch and rotate to bring its sensors turned weapons to bear on the threats. It behoves us to treat the "drones" with respect.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:37am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:32am, starsigndavid wrote:
They certainly do know, but they do not fully UNDERSTAND. That is probably a better way for me to phrase it.
Agreed.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:49am

on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:25pm, starsigndavid wrote:
Dear ATO:
Good contacts inform that not just the military, but also the CIA and DoHS are monitoring this forum. Guess what folks--this is the real deal!
I had already stated this way back ,probly bush is also reading. grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by wreckage on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:49am

"... Good contacts inform that not just the military, but also the CIA and DoHS are monitoring this forum. Guess what folks--this is the real deal!"

Starsigndavid.... can you please provide some more concrete info? Please don't make a habit of bombing forums with this kind of statement without some sort of backup. It's ridiculous. Thanks in advance....

Cheers.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LAU on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:02am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 06:41am, wreckage wrote:
Question from a non-photographer... Would the same effect occur if the image was CGI?


There are advanced chromatic aberration filters on some 3D softwares, but it's not common.

I think if you install a C.A. filter, and create a perfect 3D rendering of camera lens in front of the object made of glass, the object behind the lens would show color shifting similar to a real photo.

Here's an extreme example of what I'm talking about:
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:02am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:32am, starsigndavid wrote:
They certainly do know, but they do not fully UNDERSTAND. That is probably a better way for me to phrase it.
they are human beings like us ,yes et give them so much because they are the ones in charge over us ,the goverment they have done some good work,think their are no terrioest running around blowing us up every day ,like in the east. the united states is the melting pot, people from all around the world comes here to live, this is the golden age and we get to see it. be thank ful. NOTHING HAPPENDS BEFORE ITS TIME AND WHEN IT HAPPENS IT IS NOT ONLY ON TIME YET IN TIME. TAKE CARE ALL SEE YOU WHEN I GET BACK. wink
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by wreckage on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:10am

Thanks, LAU. Very helpful info.

Cheers.
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Post by wreckage on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:23am

*Please!*... are you using IPs for this? Interesting if you are....

Cheers.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:30am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:09am, chgowriter wrote:
I wonder how Isaac could see these diagrams in the Big Basin photo. The diagrams were not apparent in that photo until LMH sent the high-res scan. Chgowriter

Because he already knew what he was looking at and we didn't, that's how. Again, here's one of the pictures that LMH cropped and scanned up to the Internet and one of the very same pictures that Isaac was referring to.
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on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:31pm, onthefence55 wrote:

The following is directly from Isaacs quote.

Quote:
I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos. They appear in a very simple form on Chad’s craft, but appear in the more complex diagram form on the underside of the Big Basin craft as well. Both are unmistakable, even at the small size of the Big Basin photos. An example of a diagram in the style of the Big Basin craft is included with this in a series of scanned pages from the [mistitled] "Linguistic Analysis Primer". We needed a copy of that diagram to be utterly precise, and it took about a month for a team of six to copy that diagram into our drafting program!

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Andyp on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:36am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:14am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
And add to that the NSA, DARPA and the DoD.

They're like great all these people have classified material on their HD lol. laugh
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:43am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 04:50am, LAU wrote:
This is NOT gold. It's Chromatic Aberration !


Light main components = Red -> Green -> Blue = RGB
XXX

That can be decomposed in a rainbow:
Infra-red -> Red -> Yelow -> Green -> Cyan -> Blue -> Magenta -> Utra-violet
XXXXXX

The image it's shifted towards the blue spectrum, so it means that the opposite parts of the image image have blue missing -> meaning they are shifted towards red !

The GOLD is only the red-shifting of the chromatic aberration



Ah, a yelling expert, please teach me what Chromatic Aberration is.

You seem to be getting the word "shift" confused. Do you mean X/Y shift in two dimensions, or do you mean color shifting like seen in space?

Red-shift is what happens when a star moves away from us at astronomical speed and the entire spectrum of light from that star appear more red. I hardly think that this craft is moving near at those speeds in this picture.

Actually, I see very little chromatic aberration in the crop sample. As an example, I have exaggerated what chromatic aberration would look like on that piece.

If by red-shift you meant to say that the amount of red in the entire image is reduced compared to the amount of blue in the entire image being increased, then I have also provided an example of a face with those particular adjustments.

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You may have been trying to say that the white balance adjustment has not been properly set for this camera. In that case things will appear as different colors, however, in the face example above, the gold color becomes less gold with that improper white balance setting.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by drewlac on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:43am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:49am, jugement wrote:
I had already stated this way back ,probly bush is also reading. grin


Please.....Bush doesn't know how to read.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LAU on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:53am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:43am, onthefence55 wrote:
Ah, a yelling expert, please teach me what Chromatic Aberration is.

You seem to be getting the word "shift" confused. Do you mean X/Y shift in two dimensions, or do you mean color shifting like seen in space?


Sorry, I tried to explain a complex concept using common English. Maybe that was my error.

I will try to do some homework on the weekend. Maybe I can correct the image by myself.
I can't do any more here at work now sad

PS: Sorry the English - we don't speak English were I live
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:55am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:53am, LAU wrote:
PS: Sorry the English - we don't speak English were I live


Forgiven.

But you do seem to speak "yelling" were you live. smiley
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by WelshJester on Jul 20th, 2007, 09:04am

is it true that government officials and the CIA/FBI are watching this topic?

is that normal?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 20th, 2007, 09:10am

As I see it, it's very plausible, that this forum thread are being used by "Scientists" or similar, to harvest new ideas, that can be worked on further, in laboratory conditions.

It's (to my knowledge) not uncommon, that if one get's stuck in comprehensive work, one tend to sow some "oats" - and wait for the outcome - then harvest new wievs of the issue in question. I can't say, that exactly this is at hand here. But as it keeps on, without any certain conclusive debunking, it is much more likely that it is.

Using a collective, but open forum to debate, can sometimes provide much better "help" than to connect a thousand computers, to get answers that probably rises more questions.

It's harvesting the INTUITIVE results that makes the diffrence here.

No computers (At least not that we know of at this point) are intuitive. They would certainly never suggest to look for a "Grey" in the Cage of the BB Drone grin

Just my 2 cents,

VonStern
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by benzjie on Jul 20th, 2007, 09:28am

well ..in that case........this is for the ppl monitoring this forum..........put your legs on your desk...have another cup of coffee.......and have fun reading ( not longer then 2 hours in a row, that will ruin your eyes...just a tip)
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 09:40am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:18am, wreckage wrote:
"...The large rings are indentical."
Not quite.
It is true that the comparison image is of the 'same' ring, but you would have noticed the obvious differences. Look again.

As you have no doubt noticed, there are eight 'sleeves' covering the ring on the BB craft, but only six on the 'inventory' image.
Cheers.


And there is a good reason for those 2 sleeves to be missing, which would be when it hit the ground. The area where those 2 sleeves go, is still there.

We found noticeable damage on the drone parts and that is mentioned in Isaac #2.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 20th, 2007, 09:43am

You must also consider that the "others" monitor human communication too. One could believe that the Drones are like sheep dogs or in some cases like wolves. Should sheep ever attack the sheep dog or the wolf? My thought is that the sheep should and do know better.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 09:48am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:51am, Latitude wrote:
I believe I told you all about my telling this whole story to some friends of mine. It was two couples. The men took it quite well. One of the men even confided that he (and his family) had witnessed a flying saucer hover over their house when he was a kid. He acted very skeptical until he saw the photos and then his entire demeanor changed.

The wives were a different story. One of them refused to look at the photos out of fear. The other looked but refused to believe stating religious reasons. That one I could not understand because I'm a Christian myself and don't see a conflict. Even a high official in the Vatican is a believer.

So from my small test group I'd have to say there are going to be some problems when disclosure comes around.


You betcha! More then we can even imagine.
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Post by Breadmaker99 on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:12am

Hi, new member from Manchester England, this topic is awesome and feels like a smoking gun to me. However, I do have an insidious feeling about the aliens that justsits in the pit of my stomach 24-7

Paul
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:13am



A little off-topic but I didn't want any one to miss this.

Another UFO "light" sighting. Like I said before. No government's going to shoot at a light so after so many years of lingering in the skys being seen, they started to use stealth in the form of a light to surround themselves. See video.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/ecetivideo.html
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:15am




Special Report-High Resolution Photographs of Big Basin Craft
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasinhighres.html
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:52am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:18am, wreckage wrote:
"...The large rings are indentical."

Not quite.

It is true that the comparison image is of the 'same' ring, but you would have noticed the obvious differences. Look again.

As you have no doubt noticed, there are eight 'sleeves' covering the ring on the BB craft, but only six on the 'inventory' image.

Cheers.


Ah ... you should know the reason for that. It's because the Isaac parts are ... wreckage! Those sleeves that are missing probably broke off when the object hit the ground. You can even see one is bent back. But doesn't the damage lend some credibility to the parts photo?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by WelshJester on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:54am

that big A in the circular blob looks a bit like this

http://cache.kotaku.com/gaming/half_life.jpg

grin just a bit of a joke there.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:59am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:15am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Special Report-High Resolution Photographs of Big Basin Craft
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasinhighres.html
.


I only received one hi res image. The article says "images". Did you receive more? While I do applaud LMH for sending the one I'm still left wondering why she held out so long. Will she ever release the rest? I just have this feeling that she threw us a bone to get us off her back. How do you read this behavior?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:12am

Well, as to our government guests, I've said it before - I can forgive in exchange for the truth. I'm open to hearing the reasons. I'm sure some are very logical, I might even have agreed.

I think as a civilization - whatever baggage comes with disclosure - we'll get over (or at least learn to cope with). If ET's have been up there, and are up there today, then they'll be up there tomorrow. And tomorrow is another day.

In the end, people can't deal with something that they don't understand, and they can't possibly understand something that's kept secret.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:22am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:59am, Latitude wrote:
I only received one hi res image. The article says "images". Did you receive more? While I do applaud LMH for sending the one I'm still left wondering why she held out so long. Will she ever release the rest? I just have this feeling that she threw us a bone to get us off her back. How do you read this behavior?


No, BJ misinterpreted it to be multiple images when I mentioned that LMH was going to send us hi res images.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by GForce on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:29am

I don't know if disclosure will ever come from the government. But I'm sure the evidence will continue to pile up and at some point we'll know for sure. Either ET will make contact or another craft will crash. But in the age of video/camera phones someone will get some hard irrefutable evidence. Then the shoe will be on the other foot! It would be interesting how they could convert swamp gas into photo's of a downed UFO. I'm sure they'll try.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by drewlac on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:47am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:59am, Latitude wrote:
I only received one hi res image. The article says "images". Did you receive more? While I do applaud LMH for sending the one I'm still left wondering why she held out so long. Will she ever release the rest? I just have this feeling that she threw us a bone to get us off her back. How do you read this behavior?


Hopefully it means that she is so busy she didn't have the time to zip all of the high-res photo and send in one email. Hey - I know I'm reaching here. LMH - PLEASE, SEND THE OTHER PHOTOS!!! jeez, that's not asking a lot.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:58am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:47am, drewlac wrote:
Hopefully it means that she is so busy she didn't have the time to zip all of the high-res photo and send in one email. Hey - I know I'm reaching here. LMH - PLEASE, SEND THE OTHER PHOTOS!!! jeez, that's not asking a lot.


Is Earthfiles a one woman operation? Does she have a webmaster or someone she could instruct to send the pics?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:28pm

Hey guys, give it a rest.

It would be good idea to thank LMH for what she has already given us.

If she sends more, all the better. But I really don't think it's a good idea to bug her about it.

She really doesn't owe us anything. The photos were sent to her and she has complete control over them.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:42pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:47am, drewlac wrote:
Hopefully it means that she is so busy she didn't have the time to zip all of the high-res photo and send in one email. Hey - I know I'm reaching here. LMH - PLEASE, SEND THE OTHER PHOTOS!!! jeez, that's not asking a lot.


I thank her for finally sending you few the hi res photo but I hope you all realize that she didn't know what was transacting on the Internet in regard to forum information and such and did not realize herself that the linguistic primers were the key and staring her in the face.

As of this morning, she still hadn't posted such herself and she's never mentioned the corelation between the primers and the rest of the drones on the pictures she had in her possession that we did not have.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:47pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:28pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hey guys, give it a rest.

It would be good idea to thank LMH for what she has already given us.

If she sends more, all the better. But I really don't think it's a good idea to bug her about it.

She really doesn't owe us anything. The photos were sent to her and she has complete control over them.


LMH may not owe us anything personally, but she must feel some responsibility to the UFO subject in general. Whether it is to move forward disclosure or just to keep people in the loop I feel she should have made the high-resolution images available before now.

Fair enough if she’s going to charge subscribers for the privilege via her website, but she should just state this rather than have people emailing, wishing, asking and wondering.


on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:42pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I hope you all realize that she didn't know what was transacting on the Internet in regard to forum information and such and did not realize herself that the linguistic primers were the key and staring her in the face. As of this morning, she hadn't posted such herself.
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Or is there an ulterior motive, just as the interest was waning again she released one of twelve images, coincidence or clever marketing of free information which she herself received for free and for the explicit reason of, “Making them public.”

Anybody not familiar with the Drone phenomenon could surmise that she had something to do with the Isaac documents, maybes that would explain her unwillingness to have the reports and images removed from the IsaacCaret.com website.

As it’s not just her images; they are linked straight to her files, so it’s her bandwidth and server as well!! And she is aware of this fact.

I suppose it would actually be quite a logical assumption to assume she engineered the Isaac release, as LMH was the only person who up till now who had access to and was indeed was aware of the actual schematics which are displayed on the Big Basin Drone and which bear more than a passing resemblance to the Isaac linguistic primer.

Please note, I’m not saying I believe this but rather how an outsider MAY view this scenario.

Food for thought anyway…………………………..

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 20th, 2007, 1:14pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:49am, wreckage wrote:
Starsigndavid.... can you please provide some more concrete info? Please don't make a habit of bombing forums with this kind of statement without some sort of backup. It's ridiculous..


Well, I am not quite sure how to respond to your post, except to refer you to ATO's posting on the next page. I have two very good sources, one in the CIA and one in Naval Intelligence, but if you are asking for their names, no can do.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 1:14pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:49am, wreckage wrote:
"... Good contacts inform that not just the military, but also the CIA and DoHS are monitoring this forum. Guess what folks--this is the real deal!"

Starsigndavid.... can you please provide some more concrete info? Please don't make a habit of bombing forums with this kind of statement without some sort of backup. It's ridiculous. Thanks in advance....
Cheers.


He doesn't have to back up what he said there. Simple logic would tell you what he said is so. I question why you think it would be a bomb when it is common knowledge among ufo/alien website owners.

The government is going to want to know what's going on all the time. Where else are they going to go, the newspapers, the tv media - hardly. They go to the horses mouth.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 1:20pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:42pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I thank her for finally sending you few the hi res photo but I hope you all realize that she didn't know what was transacting on the Internet in regard to forum information and such and did not realize herself that the linguistic primers were the key and staring her in the face.

As of this morning, she still hadn't posted such herself and she's never mentioned the corelation between the primers and the rest of the drones on the pictures she had in her possession that we did not have.
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From my contact with LMH it seems to me that she is more of a person to person type than she is interested in the tech side of things.

What she really concentrates on it getting her contacts to give her a telephone interview that she can record for later radio audiences.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Keith on Jul 20th, 2007, 1:22pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 04:50am, LAU wrote:
This is NOT gold. It's Chromatic Aberration !


Light main components = Red -> Green -> Blue = RGB
XXX

That can be decomposed in a rainbow:
Infra-red -> Red -> Yelow -> Green -> Cyan -> Blue -> Magenta -> Utra-violet
XXXXXX

The image it's shifted towards the blue spectrum, so it means that the opposite parts of the image image have blue missing -> meaning they are shifted towards red !

The GOLD is only the red-shifting of the chromatic aberration



I think the gold is true, but the blue abberation bugs me- there should be more of a red component on the oppisite side from the blue. I am pondering right now, however I am leaning toward the idea that the blue is not abberation but a frequency shadow. If this drone emits an electro-static field,(as reported) then the blue could even be part of a plasma surrounding it. Not a perfected idea yet, but I'm deep in thought. I'm looking at one of the components that is blue and not following the abberation pattern. Hmmm......
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 1:23pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 1:20pm, urantia606 wrote:
From my contact with LMH it seems to me that she is more of a person to person type than she is interested in the tech side of things.

What she really concentrates on it getting her contacts to give her a telephone interview that she can record for later radio audiences.


She's better at that then any of them. She's always out and about getting info and probably spends a lot of money doing so. The others just want to sit back in their easy chair and wait for an email where LMH goes outside the house. She's even traveled around the world to other countries doing such.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 20th, 2007, 1:25pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:29am, GForce wrote:
I don't know if disclosure will ever come from the government. But I'm sure the evidence will continue to pile up and at some point we'll know for sure. Either ET will make contact or another craft will crash. But in the age of video/camera phones someone will get some hard irrefutable evidence. Then the shoe will be on the other foot! It would be interesting how they could convert swamp gas into photo's of a downed UFO. I'm sure they'll try.

The worldwide body of evidence is begining to speak for itself. You better believe our government is watching reaction closely. My guess is that at some point soon we will notice a change in the form of more mainstream talk on TV and radio shows, of coarse this is a direct result of the government realizing they must change the status quo.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 1:40pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:42pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I thank her for finally sending you few the hi res photo but I hope you all realize that she didn't know what was transacting on the Internet in regard to forum information and such and did not realize herself that the linguistic primers were the key and staring her in the face.

As of this morning, she still hadn't posted such herself and she's never mentioned the corelation between the primers and the rest of the drones on the pictures she had in her possession that we did not have.
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I have to admit that I took this connection for granted. In other words, I always knew there was a connection. I thought it was common knowledge after reading the Isaac letter. But I now see that most had not made the connection. (not trying to blow my own horn but maybe this is why I lean so heavily to the believer side is because I have a better understanding on how all of the events relate to each other)

It's seems that the main factor that may have convinced LMH to send the photos was Ivo of OMF emailed her the day before telling her that OTF had brought up the connection on their forum.

I had sent her a series of three emails about the hi res pics. The last sent yesterday morning in which I made a point that there was growing discontent amongst the online community.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by WelshJester on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:02pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 1:34pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I'm getting edgy because if the government wanted to snuff this stuff, the websites would be hacked into first.

if they were that worried about information getting out, wouldnt they have stopped all info in the first place? its not hard to think that imo.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by HUBCAP9 on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:16pm

My first post on this thread.I've been watching you all do some terrific work on this one,especially ATO.
For what its worth,I think this is genuine,and more than that, we are meant to see it.We are working for the government.Its their way of finally getting this information out.
When Linda sat in our caravan after having a meal with us,she told us about her invite to the air force base where she was shown the ET stuff.She couldn't take photos or notes but she was shown the stuff.There's only one reason for that in my book and that is to encourage her to continue with her work exposing the fact that we are not alone.
A very similar thing happened to Larry Warren when he was running low on enthusiasm for completing his fine book,"Left at East Gate",about the Rendlesham Forest incident in December 1980. He received a phone call from a secret service guy who asked to meet him at a bar for a drink.Once there,the agent showed Larry a series of photographs of the craft which landed at Rendlesham.The only possible reason I can see for this is that they wanted Larry to finish the book.
For the same reason,I do not believe this site is in any danger of being terminated by the authorities.We are doing their job for them, and a damned good job we are doing too! wink
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:18pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:12am, MarkM wrote:
Well, as to our government guests, I've said it before - I can forgive in exchange for the truth. I'm open to hearing the reasons. I'm sure some are very logical, I might even have agreed.

I think as a civilization - whatever baggage comes with disclosure - we'll get over (or at least learn to cope with). If ET's have been up there, and are up there today, then they'll be up there tomorrow. And tomorrow is another day.

In the end, people can't deal with something that they don't understand, and they can't possibly understand something that's kept secret.



Here, Here! You got it absolutely right! But Who's telling Everyman - now the cat's out of the bag?? You or me? I've tried to tell every newsmedia in my country...they won't budge! huh The Governments throughout the world are aware, believe me...this is either a great mishap, a glitch or whatever...might be misinformation, but I doubt it. Too many eyewitnesses. Conclusion: The World Leaders does not allow true Disclosure at this time, the world's (economic and psycological) losses would be of emence numbers, causing an unstable PLANET, not just what goes on in our own backyard.

As stated earlier, many people aren't ready for this kind of news. Maybe You and I are, and if we think it through, are we?

Sometime soon, I believe we will get all of this answered. Until then, keep pounding every possible way to make any sense of all this...maybe we'll help ourselves in that destiny of our's ...mankind!

JUST a piece of the top of my mind,

VonStern


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by GForce on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:23pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:02pm, WelshJester wrote:
if they were that worried about information getting out, wouldnt they have stopped all info in the first place? its not hard to think that imo.


If they stopped or shut down UFO boards it would draw attention like a yellow Corvette. Some of the major networks or main stream media that normally doesn't cover UFO's might become interested if suddenly some or all the UFO forums shut down. By allowing boards like this one to exist they can keep up with whats going on and what people know. Yet always have their fall back position that say UFO enthusiasts are nuts. Just my two cents! Dan
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LAU on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:26pm

Now for something coletely stupid ... grin
Is this a Panda bear in the drone high-res pic? tongue
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:29pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:16pm, HUBCAP9 wrote:
When Linda sat in our caravan after having a meal with us,she told us about her invite to the air force base where she was shown the ET stuff.She couldn't take photos or notes but she was shown the stuff.There's only one reason for that in my book and that is to encourage her to continue with her work exposing the fact that we are not alone.


Are you referencing the Holloman landing film? (Originally offered to Disney in 1957 and several others since.) If not do you know if this was the same meeting?


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:40pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:02pm, WelshJester wrote:
if they were that worried about information getting out, wouldnt they have stopped all info in the first place? its not hard to think that imo.


But that's impossible, they are few and we are many. Besides, this is not a Communist country.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by thecabal on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:41pm

Pardon me if this has already been answered on a previous thread. I have read all of this thread, but just don't have the time to go through the hundreds of pages in the previous two. I was searching Flickr for photos of the drones in question and came across the following image:

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http://flickr.com/photos/jeanne75018/738972583/

Where the heck did that one in the upper-right hand corner come from? I've browsed a fair amount of information on the web about this story, but I've never seen this particular craft or picture except for on this Flickr account. Someone asked the owner where it came from, but they have not responded. Can someone point me to where is image is from? Thanks


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LAU on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:42pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 1:22pm, Keith wrote:
I am pondering right now, however I am leaning toward the idea that the blue is not abberation but a frequency shadow. If this drone emits an electro-static field,(as reported) then the blue could even be part of a plasma surrounding it. Not a perfected idea yet, but I'm deep in thought. I'm looking at one of the components that is blue and not following the abberation pattern. Hmmm......



After some analisys I can say that there is in fact chroma aberration, but it's not as strong as I first thought.
Almost no correction can be made by automatic tools.

My (new) oppinion is that this was a terribly dark photo that someone tried to add brightness to extract more detail.

The owner used the auto-equalize tool in the image.
The result is most similar to this:
The white is 100% white (sky), the black is 100% back, and some colors along the way became over-saturated (blues+reds)
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:49pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:41pm, thecabal wrote:
Where the heck did that one in the upper-right hand corner come from? I've browsed a fair amount of information on the web about this story, but I've never seen this particular craft or picture except for on this Flickr account. Someone asked the owner where it came from, but they have not responded. Can someone point me to where is image is from? Thanks


CGI fake done by Saladfingers of the OM board
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:50pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:41pm, thecabal wrote:
Pardon me if this has already been answered on a previous thread. I have read all of this thread, but just don't have the time to go through the hundreds of pages in the previous two. I was searching Flickr for photos of the drones in question and came across the following image:

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http://flickr.com/photos/jeanne75018/738972583/

Where the heck did that one in the upper-right hand corner come from? I've browsed a fair amount of information on the web about this story, but I've never seen this particular craft or picture except for on this Flickr account. Someone asked the owner where it came from, but they have not responded. Can someone point me to where is image is from? Thanks



The image in the right are a work of an "artist" called "Saladfingers". A known CGI producer. cheesy
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:51pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:41pm, thecabal wrote:
Pardon me

Where the heck did that one in the upper-right hand corner come from? I've browsed a fair amount of information on the web about this story, but I've never seen this particular craft or picture except for on this Flickr account. Someone asked the owner where it came from, but they have not responded. Can someone point me to where is image is from? Thanks

It's a CGI creation done by the famous (or infamous) Saladfingers. He's on the OMF board.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:57pm

Read line 10 below......http://www.alientechnology.com/

Paul S. Drzaic SID Fellow

Paul S. Drzaic received a B.S. degree in chemistry, summa cum laude, from the University of Notre Dame and a Ph.D. degree in chemistry from Stanford University, where he was an NSF pre-doctoral Fellow. From 1983-1997, he was a pioneer in the development of polymer dispersed liquid crystals, developing several materials formulations for commercial products, and authoring a number of papers describing their fundamental properties. In 1998 he joined E Ink Corporation to lead their display development efforts, where he worked until 2001. He and his team rapidly developed several prototype electronic paper displays, including a display using a commercial a-Si glass active matrix panel, a flexible active matrix display built on a-Si on steel foil, and the world's first flexible active matrix display using organic thin film transistors. He is presently Vice President for Development at Alien Technology Corporation, a startup company developing radio frequency identification tags employing manufacturing technology incorporating self-assembly. Dr. Drzaic has been active in both the international display research community and the materials science research community. He is a recipient of the 2002 Team Innovation award from the American Chemical Society, as well as R&D Magazine's 2001 "Best of the Best" Editor's choice and R&D 100 awards. He is author of the 1995 book Liquid Crystal Dispersions, over thirty technical publications and has thirty eight issued US patents. He is currently the Treasurer of the Society for Information Display.


http://www.rfidsolutionsonline.com/ecommcenters/alien.html
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by thecabal on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:02pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:51pm, Latitude wrote:
It's a CGI creation done by the famous (or infamous) Saladfingers. He's on the OMF board.

Ah, that explains it, thank you. Sorry for the BW. It's pretty damn good, but not quite up to the level of detail of the Big Basin drone. The recent revelation of the "linguistics" on the hi-rez Big Basin picture just seems a little too convenient to me. I guess everything seems to fit together a little too well for me. Like we are being lead down the path by our noses. I'm leaning pretty strongly towards hoax, but a very, very detailed and well executed one. Makes me wonder why one would do that though.

I'm not really up to speed on the UFO sites, would you mind pointing me to the OMF board?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by HopefulSkeptic on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:12pm

I've read the talk of the concern about the govt. monitoring this message board. I watch this thread myself because its pretty much the world's center of what's going on with the Isaac/drones issue, and I want to try to stay on top of things.

I think the only reason the govt. would be monitoring this message board is that there's a certain level of questioning and sentiment against them by many of the posters, due to the idea that they're withholding and suppressing UFO information. Because of that, they have to keep tabs on things in this post-911 world we live in. In other words, they're just doing their jobs.

As for the main topic of these posts, the govt. probably thinks we're a bunch of kooks and quite gullible.

So, add sentiment against them, with gullible kooks in with the mix..... and I think the reason they monitor the boards is quite obvious. Its no proof at all that they're worried or concerned about the actual topic.



Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Keith on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:14pm

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:32pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:02pm, thecabal wrote:
Ah, that explains it, thank you. Sorry for the BW. It's pretty damn good, but not quite up to the level of detail of the Big Basin drone. The recent revelation of the "linguistics" on the hi-rez Big Basin picture just seems a little too convenient to me. I guess everything seems to fit together a little too well for me. Like we are being lead down the path by our noses. I'm leaning pretty strongly towards hoax, but a very, very detailed and well executed one. Makes me wonder why one would do that though.

I'm not really up to speed on the UFO sites, would you mind pointing me to the OMF board?




Go back and look at the hi rez image... it has everything (but the primer) the big basin photos has... and stunning details... but this is a fake.

The thing about being let down the path... most folks are stampeding down the path, they are no longer being led.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:34pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:12pm, HopefulSkeptic wrote:
I think the only reason the govt. would be monitoring this message board is that there's a certain level of questioning and sentiment against them by many of the posters, due to the idea that they're withholding and suppressing UFO information. Because of that, they have to keep tabs on things in this post-911 world we live in. In other words, they're just doing their jobs.

As for the main topic of these posts, the govt. probably thinks we're a bunch of kooks and quite gullible.

So, add sentiment against them, with gullible kooks in with the mix..... and I think the reason they monitor the boards is quite obvious. Its no proof at all that they're worried or concerned about the actual topic.



I sort of agree with part of your statement, I also think it’s a little naïve to believe that they would monitor this (or any) board just to gauge what the current opinion of the UFO community towards them is.

Especially as it’s common knowledge that they are not held in high regard by the average man on the street, let alone a group of people (UFO community) who believe they have lied and released dis-information pertaining to UFO’s for many, many years.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:46pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:41pm, thecabal wrote:
... but just don't have the time to go through the hundreds of pages ...

Where the heck did that one in the upper-right hand corner come from?


Here, let me put the required "watermark" on that for you:

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:52pm

I'm not the slightest bit worried about the reaction the world would have if UFOs were fully disclosed by the government..

The reaction: yawn..........

And then go back to watching the football game and thinking about what's for dinner.

99.999% of the population just doesn't give a damn.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:54pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 08:02am, jugement wrote:
they are human beings like us, yes et give them so much because they are the ones in charge over us, the goverment they have done some good work, think about no terrorist running around blowing us up every day, like in the east. The united States is the melting pot, people from all around the world comes here to live, this is the golden age and we get to see it. Be thankful. NOTHING HAPPENS BEFORE ITS TIME AND WHEN IT HAPPENS IT IS NOT ONLY ON TIME YET IN TIME. TAKE CARE ALL SEE YOU WHEN I GET BACK.


Jugement, very profound statement. You've said a lot of things in a nutshell that are all so true but we never stop to think about them.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:08pm

I hate to say it, but I think we're seeing the tail end of this topic.

We're getting into conversations now like "I think this piece does this" and "surely they are geologic survey equipment"... there is no *possible* way to come to those conclusions without more information as this technology (if real) is completely unknown to us... They could just as easily be radio relay stations or traffic monitors - we have no way of making assumptions like that. People are bored and grasping, and that's where the discussions are going right now.

Assuming it's a hoax, if the hoaxters planned an exposee or more pictures/documents, they would have struck while the iron was hot and not waited for the popularity of the topic to slack off. If it's a hoax, I think it's 'gone cold' and we won't know for a *very* long time.

If it's real, I think Isaac, too, would have been inclined to pump out some more info by now. With the enormous response and the time he's had to pull his papers together, I think if he was going to give us more, we would have seen it. If he's the real thing, he's either clammed up or *been* clammed up, and that's the end of the PACL releases.

The same thought applies to an 'impending government disclosure'. With nothing else happening, they'll be content to let it blow over... they have no reason to fess up if they've been sitting on something big. Sites will have new topics on their main pages soon, posts will slow down, and the interest will wane. Soon enough, it will just be another Roswell but on a smaller scale. The people who comprise the US government have *far* too much personal interest in the oil, transportation and communication industries to let them be turned up on their ears and start telling our scientists how to make anti-gravity and other wonders possible. They'll keep this to themselves under some false pretext until their hand is forced or there is no reason not to disclose it.

So I hope I'm dead wrong, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was a great run, but I think that's all we're going to see on this for a long time sad
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:11pm

Hi Cabel,

"I'm not really up to speed on the UFO sites, would you mind pointing me to the OMF board?"

This address may help you locate Saladfingers.

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=1183057365&page=52
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:25pm

[quote author=Fencesitter link=board=general&num=1184625216&start=665#44 date=1184965681]I hate to say it, but I think we're seeing the tail end of this topic.

I tend to agree with you, unless new sightings comes along shortly.

Nevertheless, it was sigthtings that started this in the first place. Then came along Isaac.

There are more to this than meets the eye.

Never underestimate the length Governments go to hide secret issues.

-VonStern
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:27pm

on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:14pm, urantia606 wrote:
I don't understand what you mean by 'cut out'.

Please give me some clues as to what you are trying to say..



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On a white background... it is super easy to "cut out" this image or paste to it.... or to clean it up... shucks... I just used paintbrush and took a minute... a little blurring the edges... Oh look, our rider is back. I left some "artifacts" so you see a little bad change then a little better change that blends in... if I had the time and software... I can repro the whole thing no sweat.

When I look at this thing in sections... it looks Photoshop edited to me.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:30pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:08pm, Fencesitter wrote:
I hate to say it, but I think we're seeing the tail end of this topic.

We're getting into conversations now like "I think this piece does this" and "surely they are geologic survey equipment"... there is no *possible* way to come to those conclusions without more information as this technology (if real) is completely unknown to us... They could just as easily be radio relay stations or traffic monitors - we have no way of making assumptions like that. People are bored and grasping, and that's where the discussions are going right now.


They are not conclusions. They're only speculation. We can have fun, can't we?

Quote:
If it's real, I think Isaac, too, would have been inclined to pump out some more info by now. With the enormous response and the time he's had to pull his papers together, I think if he was going to give us more, we would have seen it. If he's the real thing, he's either clammed up or *been* clammed up, and that's the end of the PACL releases.


I certainly hope nothing has happened to Isaac. But it has not even been a month since he came out. It may be a long time if ever before he comes out again. Isaac said Quote:
although I must be clear: at this time I do not have any future plans for additional information. Time will tell how long I will maintain this policy, but do not expect anything soon. I'd really like to let this information “settle” for a while and see how it goes. If I find out I'm getting an IRS audit tomorrow, then maybe this wasn't too smart. Until then, I'm going to take it slow. I hope this information has been helpful.



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Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:33pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:57pm, urantia606 wrote:
Read line 10 below......http://www.alientechnology.com/

Paul S. Drzaic SID Fellow

Paul S. Drzaic received a B.S. degree in chemistry, summa cum laude, from the University of Notre Dame and a Ph.D. degree in chemistry from Stanford University, where he was an NSF pre-doctoral Fellow. From 1983-1997, he was a pioneer in the development of polymer dispersed liquid crystals, developing several materials formulations for commercial products, and authoring a number of papers describing their fundamental properties. In 1998 he joined E Ink Corporation to lead their display development efforts, where he worked until 2001. He and his team rapidly developed several prototype electronic paper displays, including a display using a commercial a-Si glass active matrix panel, a flexible active matrix display built on a-Si on steel foil, and the world's first flexible active matrix display using organic thin film transistors. He is presently Vice President for Development at Alien Technology Corporation, a startup company developing radio frequency identification tags employing manufacturing technology incorporating self-assembly. Dr. Drzaic has been active in both the international display research community and the materials science research community. He is a recipient of the 2002 Team Innovation award from the American Chemical Society, as well as R&D Magazine's 2001 "Best of the Best" Editor's choice and R&D 100 awards. He is author of the 1995 book Liquid Crystal Dispersions, over thirty technical publications and has thirty eight issued US patents. He is currently the Treasurer of the Society for Information Display.

http://www.rfidsolutionsonline.com/ecommcenters/alien.html


That's interesting. I find it unlikely that Isaac discovered the use of integrated circuits though.

I really like the name of his website. It takes (you know what) to put that kind of name in your companies logo. He must have had a pretty large following over the years in the industry to be able to do that and get away with it.

I checked his Board of Directors and they're all your average Joe's. They even have an ex-Walmart executive on the board.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:34pm

Fencesitter, I think you're missing a couple of important points in your analysis:

If this is hoax - the result of endless hours of work, organization, and cost - then logic dictates that there be a "pay off" of some sort at the end. This hoaxer (or group of hoaxers) has an ego, make no mistake about that. Recognition - for better or for worse - is part of the equation. There are those for whom infamy is just as acceptable as fame. A hoax of this scale is someone trying to prove that they are someone.

Hoax or reality, the missing piece is PURPOSE. What is the purpose behind the drones?

You also assume that should this be about disclosure, that humans are the ones orchestrating it. It could very well be ET pulling the curtain back in which case we have no idea when the real show will start or what the plot line may be.

I am, quite frankly, concerned about the silence from LMH and C2C. This, I think is indicative of something, but I'm not sure what.

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Post by MarkM on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:36pm

No offense, Bako, but that's a bad cut out job smiley!
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Post by Keith on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:36pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:42pm, LAU wrote:
After some analisys I can say that there is in fact chroma aberration, but it's not as strong as I first thought.
Almost no correction can be made by automatic tools.

My (new) oppinion is that this was a terribly dark photo that someone tried to add brightness to extract more detail.

The owner used the auto-equalize tool in the image.
The result is most similar to this:
The white is 100% white (sky), the black is 100% back, and some colors along the way became over-saturated (blues+reds)


The blue shadow is not consistant in the image. Not only does it have different angels, but there aren't any blue shadows in some areas. If software was applied that produced the blue edge, it would be evident in the brighter areas- it's just not totally consistant. Plus, you have these blue edges at different angels in the inset that are in the shadowed underside. I see this as something that needs more anaysis.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:47pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:36pm, MarkM wrote:
No offense, Bako, but that's a bad cut out job smiley!


on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:27pm, bakosawa wrote:
I left some "artifacts" so you see a little bad change then a little better change that blends in... if I had the time and software... I can repro the whole thing no sweat.


I did not want to do a good job... cheesy I did not have the time. I just wanted to show how the outer edges looked "cut out." Look at the "ring" on the right that I cut off from the main body... the cut edge looks like the rest. It was easy to do with paintbrush. What if I had a real program (with some guts to it). rolleyes
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:50pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:34pm, MarkM wrote:
Fencesitter, I think you're missing a couple of important points in your analysis:

If this is hoax - the result of endless hours of work, organization, and cost - then logic dictates that there be a "pay off" of some sort at the end. This hoaxer (or group of hoaxers) has an ego, make no mistake about that. Recognition - for better or for worse - is part of the equation. There are those for whom infamy is just as acceptable as fame. A hoax of this scale is someone trying to prove that they are someone.

Hoax or reality, the missing piece is PURPOSE. What is the purpose behind the drones?

You also assume that should this be about disclosure, that humans are the ones orchestrating it. It could very well be ET pulling the curtain back in which case we have no idea when the real show will start or what the plot line may be.

I am, quite frankly, concerned about the silence from LMH and C2C. This, I think is indicative of something, but I'm not sure what.


Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply anything logically, just speculation...

On the hoax, sometimes, people hoax for personal enjoyment, and that's the payoff. Their own little secret is good enough for some. Most people want *some* kind of payoff, but I think the moment or at least the momentum is lost for that.

And on disclosure, I meant that as a separate thought - that even if real, this would not necessarily imply anything about an upcoming large government disclosure. I've seen so many posts that "this is it, this is going to make them come clean", I was implying that with no more 'evidence' their hand would not be forced, and it would eventually blow over.

Not trying to be a poo about the whole thing, just thinking the momentum for either a hoaxter to perpetuate this or an informant to come forward is slowing down, and that this trail is going cold for a while....
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:55pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:30pm, Latitude wrote:
They are not conclusions. They're only speculation. We can have fun, can't we?


/takes foot from mouth

Yes, and again, I didn't mean anything against the comments. It's natural to wonder out loud and guess about things... I just meant to observe that this was more the way the discussion was going and we've kind of hit a wall as far as digging for facts goes without more material to pour over.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:03pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:33pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That's interesting. I find it unlikely that Isaac discovered the use of integrated circuits though.

I really like the name of his website. It takes (you know what) to put that kind of name in your companies logo. He must have had a pretty large following over the years in the industry to be able to do that and get away with it.

I checked his Board of Directors and they're all your average Joe's. They even have an ex-Walmart executive on the board.
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Let me explain what this company does.

They research applications that use RFID. That's Radio Frequency Identification.

This is exactly what was researched at PARC by using alien artifacts. And this relates directly to the writing on the BB Drone.

This is what Isaac is talking about and this is one of the commercial and military and communications and other applications of alien technology. Hense the name.

I believe that their RD engineers are former PARC employees.

Alien Techology is in Morgan Hill which is near Palo Alto which is the headquarters of..........................PARC.....XEROX Research...........which is the place where many of the CARET Program employees formerly worked................it all fits together.

H E L L O.................
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Post by VonStern on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:16pm

Unless someone here can verify an established link between "Isaac" and the BigBasin Drone pictures, where we actually are able to see scematics similar to the scans of the laboratory created linguistic primer provided by "Isaac", I say <similar> as I see, they are not exactly match....and there are more than one plaque on this one hires picture, I find it hard to believe it all was created to make a lot of people look silly. If that was the point, why release it to C2C in the first place? I guess anyone would know, if this were to spread among UFO forums...it would only be a drop in the sea.

I'm pretty sure, if "Isaac" were to give out information like this, it HAD to be in an established forum that looks into anomalies, as he would meet the same barriers as many of us do, when we try to let the common man know what we know, through established media, aka mainstream news.

That said, if we do not get more information soon, this topic will divide and fluxuate, until it's deminished. You can only crunch down the same material once, then it slowly detiriates. From that point, only speculation rules.

The way forward is to determine the variety of plaques on the craft, if we were to obtain hires scans or hires pictures of the rest af the BB photo's, then we might have some clue, as these obviously show the other side of the craft, and there are more plaques there, as seen on the lowres pics already provided.


Keep up the good work,

VonStern
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:24pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:03pm, urantia606 wrote:
Let me explain what this company does.

They research applications that use RFID. That's Radio Frequency Identification.

This is exactly what was researched at PARC by using alien artifacts. And this relates directly to the writing on the BB Drone.

This is what Isaac is talking about and this is one of the commercial and military and communications and other applications of alien technology. Hense the name.

I believe that their RD engineers are former PARC employees.

Alien Techology is in Morgan Hill which is near Palo Alto which is the headquarters of..........................PARC.....XEROX Research...........which is the place where many of the CARET Program employees formerly worked................it all fits together.

H E L L O.................


It quite a leap. This is on wiki:
Quote:
A very early demonstration of reflected power (modulated backscatter) RFID tags, both passive and active, was done by Steven Depp, Alfred Koelle and Robert Freyman at the Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory in 1973
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID

How long will it be before people begin carrying around Faraday Cages.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:31pm

I wholeheartedly agree that there needs to be a "break" here soon. That's part of what unsettles me about LMH and C2C. They were "hot" on this, then suddenly - zip. They're either investigating it behind the scenes, have been privy to the fact that it's a hoax and are reluctant to disclose that fact, or the have been asked to remain silent.

Any indication of activity from LMH - even if it's to report no activity, is better than ignoring it. An update would be appreciated. Yes, the latest crop circles are fascinating, but they aren't a new phenomenon - this is! How can these two high profile investigator / journalists (who make there living off of chasing these things down) suddenly be "over them"? Add to this all of the "big names" in the UFO community who are remaining mum, and I think we have a problem here!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:31pm

User Image

User Image

What is causing the parallel lines in the blue “feelers”?

Why isn’t this spike solid and straight (red arrow)?

Any ideas?

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:33pm

While on OMF I repeatedly said that saladbowl was in this to further his own work, the incorporation of his FAKES with the legitimate items proves my point. Now I AM A CG ARTIST and have been one for years. FOR THE RECORD: THE HI RES IMAGES ARE ASTOUNDING THEY WOULD REQUIRE VERY HIGH COUNT MESHES AND VERY GOOD TEXTURES AND AN EXCELLENT IMAGINATION. THEY WOULD REQUIRE TIME. THE INCORPORATION INTO A PHOTO WOULD REQUIRE A 3D PROGRAM TO CONTAIN AND REPOSITION THE MODEL IN ITS VIRTUAL 3D SPACE. THIS IS EXCELLENT WORK IF IT IS A HOAX. DOES ANYONE HEAR ME.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:34pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:24pm, Latitude wrote:
How long will it be before people begin carrying around Faraday Cages.


Think about what you just said. Look up Faraday Cage. Possible reason for the "cage" under the BB drone? To protect that "needle" or whatever from electrostatic discharge or other damage?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by GForce on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:39pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:52pm, urantia606 wrote:
I'm not the slightest bit worried about the reaction the world would have if UFOs were fully disclosed by the government..

The reaction: yawn..........

And then go back to watching the football game and thinking about what's for dinner.

99.999% of the population just doesn't give a damn.


I disagree 100% It's one thing to see Larry King talk about UFOs once a year or the local new channel discussing a UFO convention. Those can be passed off as jokes. It would be different if Uncle Sam came out and said UFOs exist and here's the proof! We the members of this forum could accept it. But John Q. Public would have a hard time dealing with the news. You'd have Shock, Outrage followed by Anger from those that just had the bombshell dropped on them. Not to mention what effect it would have on the religious community.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:43pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:33pm, leviathan6 wrote:
While on OMF I repeatedly said that saladbowl was in this to further his own work, the incorporation of his FAKES with the legitimate items proves my point. Now I AM A CG ARTIST and have been one for years. FOR THE RECORD: THE HI RES IMAGES ARE ASTOUNDING THEY WOULD REQUIRE VERY HIGH COUNT MESHES AND VERY GOOD TEXTURES AND AN EXCELLENT IMAGINATION. THEY WOULD REQUIRE TIME. THE INCORPORATION INTO A PHOTO WOULD REQUIRE A 3D PROGRAM TO CONTAIN AND REPOSITION THE MODEL IN ITS VIRTUAL 3D SPACE. THIS IS EXCELLENT WORK IF IT IS A HOAX. DOES ANYONE HEAR ME.


Yeah, I hear you, loud and clear. Excuse me while turn down the volume. I agree with you. Maybe that guy earlier who was looking for Salad has a job offer for him.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:51pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:33pm, leviathan6 wrote:
While on OMF I repeatedly said that saladbowl was in this to further his own work, the incorporation of his FAKES with the legitimate items proves my point. Now I AM A CG ARTIST and have been one for years. FOR THE RECORD: THE HI RES IMAGES ARE ASTOUNDING THEY WOULD REQUIRE VERY HIGH COUNT MESHES AND VERY GOOD TEXTURES AND AN EXCELLENT IMAGINATION. THEY WOULD REQUIRE TIME. THE INCORPORATION INTO A PHOTO WOULD REQUIRE A 3D PROGRAM TO CONTAIN AND REPOSITION THE MODEL IN ITS VIRTUAL 3D SPACE. THIS IS EXCELLENT WORK IF IT IS A HOAX. DOES ANYONE HEAR ME.


1. Saladfingers is nothing but a pain the backside. He yammers on and on and says really nothing. I ignore him.

2. I believe this is NOT a hoax for many reasons...almost too many to mention.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:56pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:03pm, urantia606 wrote:
Let me explain what this company does.

They research applications that use RFID. That's Radio Frequency Identification.

This is exactly what was researched at PARC by using alien artifacts. And this relates directly to the writing on the BB Drone.

H E L L O.................


H E L L O.................

RFID is a method for controlling stock/inventory.

RFID is basically a system that transmits the identity (in the form of a unique serial number) of an object or person wirelessly, using radio waves. It's grouped under the broad category of automatic identification technologies.

The only reason it’s viewed in any way as, “Cutting edge” is since the introduction of the internet and the subsequent implications.

Read up on the, “EPCglobal Network.”

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:03pm, urantia606 wrote:
This is what Isaac is talking about and this is one of the commercial and military and communications and other applications of alien technology. Hense the name.


Radio frequency identification technology can be traced back to World War II. The Germans, Japanese, Americans and British were all using radar to warn of approaching planes while they were still miles away. The problem was there was no way to identify which planes belonged to the enemy and which were a country’s own pilots returning from a mission.

The Germans discovered that if pilots rolled their planes as they returned to base, it would change the radio signal reflected back. This crude method alerted the radar crew on the ground that these were German planes and not Allied aircraft.

Under Watson-Watt, who headed a secret project, the British developed the first active identify friend or foe (IFF) system. They put a transmitter on each British plane. When it received signals from radar stations on the ground, it began broadcasting a signal back that identified the aircraft as friendly.

RFID works on this same basic concept.

A signal is sent to a transponder, which wakes up and either reflects back a signal (passive system) or broadcasts a signal (active system).

I’m sorry but I can’t see any correlation at all apart from some of the schematics being likened to a, “Bar-code”

G O O D B Y E.................
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:58pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:31pm, MarkM wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree that there needs to be a "break" here soon. That's part of what unsettles me about LMH and C2C. They were "hot" on this, then suddenly - zip. They're either investigating it behind the scenes, have been privy to the fact that it's a hoax and are reluctant to disclose that fact, or the have been asked to remain silent.

Any indication of activity from LMH - even if it's to report no activity, is better than ignoring it. An update would be appreciated. Yes, the latest crop circles are fascinating, but they aren't a new phenomenon - this is! How can these two high profile investigator / journalists (who make there living off of chasing these things down) suddenly be "over them"? Add to this all of the "big names" in the UFO community who are remaining mum, and I think we have a problem here!


Mark, it seems that about every four hours you write a post about that fact that you are worried about some aspect of this saga.

It's only been 24 hours since LMH sent us the new hi-res pic and people are worried that too much time has gone by and that the end of this Isaac affair is about over.

Several posters are yelling for more hi-res photos from LMH. We all need a little patience and should enjoy what we have rec'd in the past three months.

Give it some time. This may take many months to gel.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:03pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:56pm, DrDil wrote:
H E L L O.................

RFID is a method for controlling stock/inventory.

RFID is basically a system that transmits the identity (in the form of a unique serial number) of an object or person wirelessly, using radio waves. It's grouped under the broad category of automatic identification technologies.

The only reason it?s viewed in any way as, ?Cutting edge? is since the introduction of the internet and the subsequent implications.

Read up on the, ?EPCglobal Network.?



Radio frequency identification technology can be traced back to World War II. The Germans, Japanese, Americans and British were all using radar to warn of approaching planes while they were still miles away. The problem was there was no way to identify which planes belonged to the enemy and which were a country?s own pilots returning from a mission.

The Germans discovered that if pilots rolled their planes as they returned to base, it would change the radio signal reflected back. This crude method alerted the radar crew on the ground that these were German planes and not Allied aircraft.

Under Watson-Watt, who headed a secret project, the British developed the first active identify friend or foe (IFF) system. They put a transmitter on each British plane. When it received signals from radar stations on the ground, it began broadcasting a signal back that identified the aircraft as friendly.

RFID works on this same basic concept.

A signal is sent to a transponder, which wakes up and either reflects back a signal (passive system) or broadcasts a signal (active system).

I?m sorry but I can?t see any correlation at all apart from some of the schematics being likened to a, ?Bar-code?

G O O D B Y E.................


RFID has come a long way since WWII. If you would read what Alien Technology Inc, does and what type of products they offer, you would understand.

Also, it would help to be a bit more calm about this, dude.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:03pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:58pm, urantia606 wrote:
Mark, it seems that about every four hours you write a post about that fact that you are worried about some aspect of this saga.

It's only been 24 hours since LMH sent us the new hi-res pic and people are worried that too much time has gone by and that the end of this Isaac affair is about over.

Several posters are yelling for more hi-res photos from LMH. We all need a little patience and should enjoy what we have rec'd in the past three months.

Give it some time. This may take many months to gel.



I for one would like it to happen now!

LMH are obviously sitting on ALL hires pictures. Why should we wait?

-VonStern
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:06pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:31pm, MarkM wrote:
They're either investigating it behind the scenes, have been privy to the fact that it's a hoax and are reluctant to disclose that fact, or the have been asked to remain silent.
And if they have been asked to remain silent they should report that they have been asked to do so.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by ElBarto on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:07pm

i've been following this thing since the day it showed up on the web and i knew right off the bat it was going to be something big. Excuse me for taking so long to post but i had a question that i didn't catch on the thread. It looks like to me (regarding the cage) that the outer bars connect to the inner bars, and those connect to the little (plum) thing that's hanging. Could it be a device for the craft that detects change in position.

i guess a what i'm trying to say that if a gust of wind or bird makes the craft unstable this "cage" might be a way of letting the drone know that something is not right...
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by StayFocused on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:10pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:51pm, urantia606 wrote:
1. Saladfingers is nothing but a pain the backside. He yammers on and on and says really nothing. I ignore him.

2. I believe this is NOT a hoax for many reasons...almost too many to mention.


The reason you find SaladFingers as a pain in the butt and ignore him is because you're already a firm believer in this drone phenomenon and any opinion that differs from your firm belief is annoying to you. IMO, SaladFingers has raised more logical arguments than you or any of the firm believers have. For one, he's shown that it is very easy to create convincing images that resemble these drones. His fakes have already fooled plenty of people including LMH.

He's also show that it is very easy to create the LAP in Adobe Illustrator. Sure, this doesn't prove the originals are fake but it does show that they wouldn't take unimaginable amounts of a hoaxer's effort to produce.

On the contrary, all you've done is raised spurious connections and conjecture on this whole drone thing that brings the intelligence of any discussion down to ground level.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:15pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:39pm, GForce wrote:
Outrage followed by Anger from those that just had the bombshell dropped on them. Not to mention what effect it would have on the religious community.

Religious community. HaHa! It will be the best thing that ever happened to the religious community. Maybe then mankind can get past perpetual war.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:16pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:07pm, ElBarto wrote:
i've been following this thing since the day it showed up on the web and i knew right off the bat it was going to be something big. Excuse me for taking so long to post but i had a question that i didn't catch on the thread. It looks like to me (regarding the cage) that the outer bars connect to the inner bars, and those connect to the little (plum) thing that's hanging. Could it be a device for the craft that detects change in position.


Welcome, ElBarto.

I think that the device in the lower end of the Cage are related to the antigravity part. As a pendulum focused on the gravity. It probably works as some kind of probe, but it's pure speculation on my part.

-VonStern
i guess a what i'm trying to say that if a gust of wind or bird makes the craft unstable this "cage" might be a way of letting the drone know that something is not right...
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:20pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:10pm, StayFocused wrote:
The reason you find SaladFingers as a pain in the butt and ignore him is because you're already a firm believer in this drone phenomenon and any opinion that differs from your firm belief is annoying to you. IMO, SaladFingers has raised more logical arguments than you or any of the firm believers have. For one, he's shown that it is very easy to create convincing images that resemble these drones. His fakes have already fooled plenty of people including LMH.

He's also show that it is very easy to create the LAP in Adobe Illustrator. Sure, this doesn't prove the originals are fake but it does show that they wouldn't take unimaginable amounts of a hoaxer's effort to produce.

On the contrary, all you've done is raised spurious connections and conjecture on this whole drone thing that brings the intelligence of any discussion down to ground level.



you miss one important fact. It's a lot easier to mimic something than it is to create this whole entire story from scratch, including drones, linguistic primers, multiple convincing witnesses, and a whole backstory that checks out
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:20pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:15pm, AgentM wrote:
Religious community. HaHa! It will be the best thing that ever happened to the religious community. Maybe then mankind can get past perpetual war.


That was not the smartest remark! Please consider the freedom of beliefs!

It works even in here! grin

-VonStern
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:21pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:54pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Jugement, very profound statement. You've said a lot of things in a nutshell that are all so true but we never stop to think about them.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH <TEACHER
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:21pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:15pm, AgentM wrote:
Religious community. HaHa! It will be the best thing that ever happened to the religious community. Maybe then mankind can get past perpetual war.


THANK YOU for that, AgentM! wink
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:26pm

What I said regarding this "CG expert" has come true. If I were the gov. I would hire this guy because his entire agenda fits a devout debunker for hire. He has never pulled off a real reproduction. He uses psychology to get people to think he has. He seems to have a group that always show up when any one is critical of him and WE ALL KNOW THAT CG CAN REPRODUCE MUCH. IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE PROVEN. This is like the next step in CG and is vastly different than that use in special effects movies.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:30pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:31pm, MarkM wrote:
How can these two high profile investigator / journalists (who make there living off of chasing these things down) suddenly be "over them"? Add to this all of the "big names" in the UFO community who are remaining mum, and I think we have a problem here!

Personally speaking, it’s a small entry on quite a large list of problems, I would list the pros and cons regarding truth or hoax, but frankly I’m just sick of getting flamed for daring to question faceless witnesses or reports/accounts from LMH who apparently rates profit and her list of, “Paying” subscribers over disclosure and information sharing (well, information sharing which doesn’t ultimately result in a payoff.)

Friedman more or less summed up the, “Recognized” and, “Listened” to UFO community when he said he placed it in his, “Grey basket.”

Hmmm, I wonder if the grey basket is a wire one with Star Wars figures in it? grin

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by StayFocused on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:31pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:20pm, pvtjoker75 wrote:
you miss one important fact. It's a lot easier to mimic something than it is to create this whole entire story from scratch, including drones, linguistic primers, multiple convincing witnesses, and a whole backstory that checks out


That wasn't my point. My point was that SaladFingers has put a lot of effort into showing how this drone scenario may be hoaxed. It doesn't prove anything either way but at least now we have some insight into how the Isaac documents and drone imagery *might* be hoaxed.

His contributions are far more valuable than some of the ridiculous assertions about the Alien Technology company and Dr Edwards being part of the alien cover up. That's just like me saying - oh looky! This website is obviously selling computer hardware derived from alien tech because their name is Alienware.
http://www.alienware.com/


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by benzjie on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:31pm

i am not a religeous person at all..but i have to say that religion has a lot of good sides and a lot of ppl get a lot of good out of their religion . It's only when it gets fundamental that things get ugly.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LAU on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:32pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:36pm, Keith wrote:
The blue shadow is not consistant in the image. Not only does it have different angels, but there aren't any blue shadows in some areas. If software was applied that produced the blue edge, it would be evident in the brighter areas- it's just not totally consistant. Plus, you have these blue edges at different angels in the inset that are in the shadowed underside. I see this as something that needs more anaysis.


Yes, it does need more analysis.
But if you consider that the image was scanned (dust can be seen), then it means it was printed. It was probably photographed with a film camera.

So... maybe the colors are not consistent because this is not the whole photo, it's just a zoom part of the original photograph ---> just noticed the image size is not 4:3 (or similar), so it agrees with what I was saying.

I also noticed that when I tried to do chroma correction - the center of the image does not match with the lens center, so if the chroma correction if off-center, then the blue color blur is not even also.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:35pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:20pm, pvtjoker75 wrote:
you miss one important fact. It's a lot easier to mimic something than it is to create this whole entire story from scratch, including drones, linguistic primers, multiple convincing witnesses, and a whole backstory that checks out


Hey pvtjoker, btw is your nic in reference to Full Metal Jacket?

You beat me to the post. I'll just add that none of Salad's drones have ever come close to the realism in the Chad Raj photos. Sure, his LAP diagrams were quite good copies, but that is just what they are, copies. It showed no creativity.

What salad has done is become a tool for the debunkers. He claims it was not his intention but he continues to pursue those things. Then there was the day right after the Isaac story broke where he launched his most extreme attack on the believers calling them jackasses being led by a caret.

So do not let his benign appearance fool you. He's the strongest debunker force on OMF.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:40pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:10pm, StayFocused wrote:
The reason you find SaladFingers as a pain in the butt and ignore him is because you're already a firm believer in this drone phenomenon and any opinion that differs from your firm belief is annoying to you. IMO, SaladFingers has raised more logical arguments than you or any of the firm believers have. For one, he's shown that it is very easy to create convincing images that resemble these drones. His fakes have already fooled plenty of people including LMH.

He's also show that it is very easy to create the LAP in Adobe Illustrator. Sure, this doesn't prove the originals are fake but it does show that they wouldn't take unimaginable amounts of a hoaxer's effort to produce.

On the contrary, all you've done is raised spurious connections and conjecture on this whole drone thing that brings the intelligence of any discussion down to ground level.



Your comments about me are an insult to your intelligence.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by StayFocused on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:44pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:26pm, leviathan6 wrote:
What I said regarding this "CG expert" has come true. If I were the gov. I would hire this guy because his entire agenda fits a devout debunker for hire. He has never pulled off a real reproduction. He uses psychology to get people to think he has. He seems to have a group that always show up when any one is critical of him and WE ALL KNOW THAT CG CAN REPRODUCE MUCH. IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE PROVEN. This is like the next step in CG and is vastly different than that use in special effects movies.


That's really lame - the old "oh you don't believe you must be a PTB employed debunker" argument. Nuff said.

When I look at the drone images, I see 3D model written all over them (as somebody who has done a fair bit of 3D modeling). The drones look like they were created in a 3D modeling package with heavy use of the lathe and rotation duplication tools. A lot of the details on the models just don't look very functional.

One of the first rules of creating a realistic looking model is that form follows function - every part of the model should appear to have a purpose. Sure, this might also be alien technology with parts that have a purpose incomprehendible to feeble human minds.

The other thing that indicates 3D or hand built model to me is the surface material of these drones. They look very flat and homogenous (like a 3D model with a standard material applied) or of course, maybe aliens use a single all purpose material (although clearly this can't be true because the anti-gravity devices have a shiny reflective look that the drones don't have).

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:45pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:35pm, Latitude wrote:
Hey pvtjoker, btw is your nic in reference to Full Metal Jacket?

You beat me to the post. I'll just add that none of Salad's drones have ever come close to the realism in the Chad Raj photos. Sure, his LAP diagrams were quite good copies, but that is just what they are, copies. It showed no creativity.

What salad has done is become a tool for the debunkers. He claims it was not his intention but he continues to pursue those things. Then there was the day right after the Isaac story broke where he launched his most extreme attack on the believers calling them jackasses being led by a caret.

So do not let his benign appearance fool you. He's the strongest debunker force on OMF.


Hey, Latitude:

Thank you! You are one of the few that can see through Saladfingers.

His smug attitude is a dead giveaway of his purpose on OMF. He is a total debunker and a rather inept one at that.

Also, his CG efforts are a complete waste of time. He nowhere even comes close to the actual photos of the Drone. The hi-res photo LMH released yesterday blew a hole in his comfort zone. But does that stop him? No, he goes on and on like the bunny rabbit in the battery commercial.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by StayFocused on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:49pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:35pm, Latitude wrote:
Hey pvtjoker, btw is your nic in reference to Full Metal Jacket?

You beat me to the post. I'll just add that none of Salad's drones have ever come close to the realism in the Chad Raj photos. Sure, his LAP diagrams were quite good copies, but that is just what they are, copies.


They came close enough to fool LMH and a lot of other people. Which goes to show just how much in depth research LMH does on her sources.




Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:49pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:21pm, starsigndavid wrote:
THANK YOU for that, AgentM! wink


Let's not slam all religion. Religion didn't start either of the world wars.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by StayFocused on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:50pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:40pm, urantia606 wrote:
Your comments about me are an insult to your intelligence.


BTW - Before you call me a debunker, let me tell you I would very much like for this to be real - it would be very exciting. But I just haven't seen anything that couldn't have been cooked up by someone's overactive imagination.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:53pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:49pm, StayFocused wrote:
They came close enough to fool LMH and a lot of other people. Which goes to show just how much in depth research LMH does on her sources.



I'm making a list of the debunkers on this thread.

Since yesterday and the release of the hi-res photo they have become shrill to the point of desperation.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:54pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:03pm, urantia606 wrote:
RFID has come a long way since WWII. If you would read what Alien Technology Inc, does and what type of products they offer, you would understand.

Also, it would help to be a bit more calm about this, dude.

Regarding, “Calm down.” I’m genuinely sorry, I'm just used to talking to you in the manner in which you address me. (e.g. Dil)

Yeah it’s come a long way since WWII but it’s still not Alien and as I said isn’t this, “Long way” due to the internet?

It was the, “They research applications that use RFID. That's Radio Frequency Identification. This is exactly what was researched at PARC by using alien artifacts. And this relates directly to the writing on the BB Drone” comment that caused me to write that, it may have come a very long way since WWII but it’s still very much human technology rather than Alien, or am I missing something (it has been known! wink)

I don’t see how a device which is fundamentally used for stock-taking/control is alien technology, much less how it relates directly to the writing on the BB Drone

RFID isn’t a completely new (alien?) phrase to me that’s probably why I was so blasé about dismissing it. You tell me to read up on it when you evidently haven’t checked out the information I provided you with, namely regarding the EPCglobal Network.

The Auto-ID Center handed off its technology to a non-profit organization called EPCglobal, which has created a second-generation air interface protocol and is developing the network infrastructure —now called the EPCglobal Network—to enable companies to share data in real time.

EPCglobal Network:

The Internet-based technologies and services that enable companies to retrieve data associated with EPCs. The network infrastructure includes the Object Name Service, distributed middleware (sometimes called Savants), the EPC Information Service and Physical Markup Language.

I was under the impression this was the, “Cutting edge” of RFID, not the BB Drone.

I have read up on it and still don’t understand, in short, and respectfully, could you please tell me:

How this is alien technology?
How this is exactly what was researched at PARC by using alien artefacts?
How you arrived at the decision that this is what Isaac is talking about?
How this is one of the commercial and military and communications and other applications of alien technology (when it has being around since the 1930’s)?
How this relates directly to the writing on the BB Drone?


Many thanks (and no large letters)

“Dil.”

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:54pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:49pm, StayFocused wrote:
They came close enough to fool LMH and a lot of other people. Which goes to show just how much in depth research LMH does on her sources.


It showed me something completely different. It showed me how the skeptical masses can be even more gullible than the believers. Many naysayers came out of the woodwork over his cgi disinfo claiming "see I told you it was all a hoax. He deceived many.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:57pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:50pm, StayFocused wrote:
BTW - Before you call me a debunker, let me tell you I would very much like for this to be real - it would be very exciting. But I just haven't seen anything that couldn't have been cooked up by someone's overactive imagination.


Pray tell, what ever made you think I would call you a debunker?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:57pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:15pm, AgentM wrote:
Religious community. HaHa! It will be the best thing that ever happened to the religious community. Maybe then mankind can get past perpetual war.

I can’t believe it AgentM, is that common ground I see!! grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:01pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:50pm, StayFocused wrote:
BTW - Before you call me a debunker, let me tell you I would very much like for this to be real - it would be very exciting. But I just haven't seen anything that couldn't have been cooked up by someone's overactive imagination.


I usually am not one to point anybody out, but I just noticed this last thing you said sounds just like what Salad has been saying.

As a matter of fact:

Salad Fingers = S F = Stay Focused ?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by wreckage on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:07pm

Atrueoriginall said;

"He doesn't have to back up what he said there. Simple logic would tell you what he said is so."

So I should accept absolutely everything I read here as fact? Oh, I see.

" I question why you think it would be a bomb when it is common knowledge among ufo/alien website owners."

I am not a ufo/alien website owner. I was merely asking for a little 'back-story'. I was provided that (thanks), and no, I do not remotely expect names to be provided.

I'm merely curious. Is this 'monitoring' by agencies continual, or has there been a recent spike?
Do you get your information from contacts, from monitoring IP addresses or from other means?

"We found noticeable damage on the drone parts and that is mentioned in Isaac #2."

You noticed apparent damage in the images. It is not a fact that damage is there.

Cheers.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by StayFocused on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:13pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:01pm, Latitude wrote:
I usually am not one to point anybody out, but I just noticed this last thing you said sounds just like what Salad has been saying.

As a matter of fact:

Salad Fingers = S F = Stay Focused ?



No I'm not Salad Fingers. If I was I would have posted 100's of CGI images by now!


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:14pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:03pm, urantia606 wrote:
Let me explain what this company does.They research applications that use RFID. That's Radio Frequency Identification.

I knew it was RFI, I read that and I also saw the actual equipment, which they were using for RFI that required circuitry - something quite a few thousands of years behind the aliens technology.

Quote:
This is exactly what was researched at PARC by using alien artifacts. And this relates directly to the writing on the BB Drone.

What you need to do then, is to put two and two together and bring them in - verbatim. For instance, the statement made by whoever about PARC working on alien artifacts. I imagine you're talking about Keith but bring his comments in here and post them separate to the address. Also, the proof that the owner of Alien Technology worked for Xerox or PARC at some time and when.

Quote:
This is what Isaac is talking about and this is one of the commercial and military and communications and other applications of alien technology. Hense the name.

None of us will forget that statement but I don't think any of us have been tripping over holographic computational substrates either. Not this week anyway. grin

Quote:
I believe that their RD engineers are former PARC employees.

Then we need to see what you found. Words around here are as meaningless as guessing games - you already know that.

Quote:
Alien Techology is in Morgan Hill which is near Palo Alto which is the headquarters

Morgan Hill and Palo Alto are both in the Silicon Valley, sure. That's like saying, you'll find a pizza restaurant over there in Little Italy. That is where thousands and thousands of businesses of those types all set up shop.

I still don't get the RFI connection though. I know its a new creation of Alien Technology's but that was created some 20 years after Isaac left PACL and besides, using circuitry?

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:23pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:52pm, urantia606 wrote:
I'm not the slightest bit worried about the reaction the world would have if UFOs were fully disclosed by the government..

The reaction: yawn..........
And then go back to watching the football game and thinking about what's for dinner.
99.999% of the population just doesn't give a damn.


on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:39pm, GForce wrote:
I disagree 100% It's one thing to see Larry King talk about UFOs once a year or the local new channel discussing a UFO convention. Those can be passed off as jokes. It would be different if Uncle Sam came out and said UFOs exist and here's the proof! We the members of this forum could accept it. But John Q. Public would have a hard time dealing with the news. You'd have Shock, Outrage followed by Anger from those that just had the bombshell dropped on them. Not to mention what effect it would have on the religious community.

And let us not forget all of the ramifications of those who aren't part of the religious community but suddenly have these thoughts in their head that God is here to judge them. Out the window many of them fly. And, speaking of flying out windows, a stock market crash that would make Black Tuesday look like a ma and pa convenience store just closed down. Those dominoes would fall around the world and whole economies could collapse, which is the MAIN REASON the government doesn't want them here to begin with because that is their biggest fear of them all.

Believe it or not, it's also the alien's biggest fear.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by meller on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:25pm

Seems to me that the thread is going nowhere fast. The real problem is the lack of constructive criticism, its all down to personal opinions clashing. I'd like to say a few things:

SaladFingers, like us, is just another guy that is trying to figure out the truth. He has his right to an opinion, just like anyone else, and he's not trying to make those who believe in the validity of the pictures look stupid. In fact, his efforts are laudable because they add even more information to the debate. While his works may prove nothing for certain, they offer a suggestion for explaining the happenings.

Of course, there are those of us who DO have strong 'feelings' about the matter which lead us to believe otherwise, which is fine. However, discussing whether or not one person agrees with that consensus is pointless.

So I ask.. Since little has been happening in the drone scene, what is left to discuss here other than rambling about who's right and who's wrong?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:29pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:15pm, AgentM wrote:
Religious community. HaHa! It will be the best thing that ever happened to the religious community. Maybe then mankind can get past perpetual war.


Be careful what you think there. You don't know everything.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:31pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:21pm, jugement wrote:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH <TEACHER


Jugement, you're so cute in what you say. lol grin grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:31pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:21pm, starsigndavid wrote:
THANK YOU for that, AgentM! wink


Ditto David. Be careful what you say. You don't know everything yet.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:37pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:44pm, StayFocused wrote:
When I look at the drone images, I see 3D model written all over them


No you don't, you want to see 3D written all over them.


Quote:
(as somebody who has done a fair bit of 3D modeling).


So?

I'll offer my useless conclusion; As someone whose seen a lot of photos, I see "photo" written all over these photos.


Quote:
The drones look like they were created in a 3D modeling package with heavy use of the lathe and rotation duplication tools. A lot of the details on the models just don't look very functional.


Functional?

What are all the functions of an ET craft, please share your insight on that.


Quote:
The other thing that indicates 3D or hand built model to me is the surface material of these drones. They look very flat and homogenous (like a 3D model with a standard material applied) or of course, maybe aliens use a single all purpose material (although clearly this can't be true because the anti-gravity devices have a shiny reflective look that the drones don't have).


You are making conclusions about what the surface texture of the material should look like. Are you privy to anti-gravity devices and their material structure?


3D modeling programs have struggled for years since their inception to provide a realistic look. Now that they are capable of fooling "some" people -- we are seeing all sorts of debunkers chime in to say all photos come from CG.

When the pen was invented, there surely must have been the same debate since anyone could then forge another's signature -- yet the pen is still in existence today and we still use the "signature" as a method of validity -- how stupid is that!?

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:43pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:25pm, meller wrote:
So I ask.. Since little has been happening in the drone scene, what is left to discuss here other than rambling about who's right and who's wrong?


What about the hi-res Big Basin release just yesterday?

And is the point of your post to tell us all to shut-up? (Maybes if you were to lead by example)


“What is left to discuss here other than rambling about who's right and who's wrong?”

So what exactly are you saying, because it can’t be proved conclusively either way we should just bin the topic and call the whole thing off?
I suppose that’s the problem with a hung jury (not to mention difference of opinions.)

I want a retrial with a new judge please……………

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:44pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:50pm, StayFocused wrote:
BTW - Before you call me a debunker, let me tell you I would very much like for this to be real - it would be very exciting. But I just haven't seen anything that couldn't have been cooked up by someone's overactive imagination.


Nobody can be a debunker unless they have absolute proof of a hoax. You can only be a skeptic. You can be a healthy skeptic who brings proof into the forum showing inconsistency or you can be an unhealthy skeptic who just speaks words.

it's easier to be a skeptic since they just sit around and do nothing but throw words around the room. They are never expected to show proof even though it's against the very rules set down for skeptics and skepticism. And instead, they only accept empirical evidence.

Well, we're doing neither here right now because there is no room in here to do so. Instead we're trying to carry on conversations about what we do have, what we do know and what we are still trying to understand.

StayFocused, you are neither a debunker or a skeptic. I now dub you a Lampoonist.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1184771450
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:45pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:53pm, urantia606 wrote:
I'm making a list of the debunkers on this thread.

Since yesterday and the release of the hi-res photo they have become shrill to the point of desperation.


I'd like to see that list, when will it be ready?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:47pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:20pm, pvtjoker75 wrote:
you miss one important fact. It's a lot easier to mimic something than it is to create this whole entire story from scratch, including drones, linguistic primers, multiple convincing witnesses, and a whole backstory that checks out


Darn… and I was going to go out and buy the new Harry Potter Book.

But I guess to do so would be silly, since no one could create a complex story from scratch… including wizards, spells, wands, flying brooms, dragons and to have many convinced and dedicated readers, with a whole back story that checks out threw a series of books. It’s impossible. And the author is a Billionaire? Inconceivable and unbelievable.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:49pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:47pm, bakosawa wrote:
Darn… and I was going to go out and buy the new Harry Potter Book.

I wouldn't bother, both Harry and Hermione get killed at the end and Hagrid is left incapacitated..........



(Before I get Potter'd - It's a joke!!!)
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:49pm

dang, it's a rough crowd in here!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by meller on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:51pm

DrDill, you have fiercely misunderstood what I was trying to say. I wasn't in anyway telling people to stop trying to determine the nature of things. I'm simply noticing that the thread is slipping into the pattern of becoming unproductive.

And I'm not even coming close to trying to "shut you up". IF any action was subtly suggested, it is simply to redefine (or re-"focus" if you will) what we are trying to accomplish here and set out to accomplish it.

Don't take what I say so personally. I'm just as eager as the next guy to figure out what's going on here. Just trying to determine the best way to do so.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:52pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:49pm, starsigndavid wrote:
dang, it's a rough crowd in here!

Depends on what you’re used to!! grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:55pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:45pm, onthefence55 wrote:
I'd like to see that list, when will it be ready?


Urantia, there are NO debunkers in this room because none of them have absolute proof that it is a hoax. Don't be confused by the word. The debunker is one that must have absolute proof, whereas the skeptic does not. What you are counting are skeptics, which aren't all skeptics either.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:59pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:44pm, StayFocused wrote:
That's really lame - the old "oh you don't believe you must be a PTB employed debunker" argument. Nuff said.

When I look at the drone images, I see 3D model written all over them (as somebody who has done a fair bit of 3D modeling). The drones look like they were created in a 3D modeling package with heavy use of the lathe and rotation duplication tools. A lot of the details on the models just don't look very functional.


Then let me ask you this. Why are you here?
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:02pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:55pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Urantia, there are NO debunkers in this room because none of them have absolute proof that it is a hoax. Don't be confused by the word. The debunker is one that must have absolute proof, whereas the skeptic does not. What you are counting are skeptics, which aren't all skeptics either.
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I am half believer and half skeptic… that would make me Beleptic? rolleyes
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:06pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:51pm, meller wrote:
DrDill, you have fiercely misunderstood what I was trying to say. I wasn't in anyway telling people to stop trying to determine the nature of things. I'm simply noticing that the thread is slipping into the pattern of becoming unproductive.

And I'm not even coming close to trying to "shut you up". IF any action was subtly suggested, it is simply to redefine (or re-"focus" if you will) what we are trying to accomplish here and set out to accomplish it.

Don't take what I say so personally. I'm just as eager as the next guy to figure out what's going on here. Just trying to determine the best way to do so.

No problem, it was the
“So I ask. Since little has been happening in the drone scene, what is left to discuss here other than rambling about who's right and who's wrong?” question I was referring to.

I offered an answer,
“What about the hi-res Big Basin release just yesterday?” Seeing as you appear to have missed it.

And of course, “What is left to discuss here?”
I guess I (wrongly) assumed you were implying that there is nothing left to discuss here with this comment.

And honestly, it’s never personal… smiley

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:07pm

No, you are his defender. Who has yet to get the point. You have, as he does, hijacked the thread to the SILLY CG argument. You don't have to be the infamous Salad just a co-worker for the paid debunkers. You have utterly know idea about the subject of CG. I would have thought you would have learned something from your Master. He must try harder with you. He should earn his pay.

He sent you here as he was told to do the minute the Hi Res Photo appeared. This gives away who you are and who you work for and what agenda you are rewarded to support.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:11pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:31pm, bakosawa wrote:
User Image

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What is causing the parallel lines in the blue “feelers”?

Why isn’t this spike solid and straight (red arrow)?

Any ideas?


No comments?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:25pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:18am, wreckage wrote:
"...The large rings are indentical."

Not quite.

It is true that the comparison image is of the 'same' ring, but you would have noticed the obvious differences. Look again.

As you have no doubt noticed, there are eight 'sleeves' covering the ring on the BB craft, but only six on the 'inventory' image.

Cheers.


Actually in that picture you can't see them but they are there. Look at the Inventory review pic, you'll see them peeking over the "rim", it's not fully into position but they are there.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by StayFocused on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:31pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:59pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Then let me ask you this. Why are you here?
.


It's funny how whenever somebody states an opinion that goes against these drones being real we end up with a lot of labels being thrown around and angry responses. You might think my opinions are invalid but it's fine for the irrationally exuberant believers to throw around their "out of this world" opinions.

This all started with me defending Salad Fingers work as having some merit in the face of the tenuous claims made by Urantia. Get over it.

I'm not saying this is a definite hoax either. At this point there's not enough evidence either way.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by onthefence55 on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:33pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:11pm, bakosawa wrote:
No comments?


I'll bite.

I think you are pro-hoax, you should have stated so in your request. So, I think you are looking for confirmation that those vertical blue stripes are caused by improper CG aliasing of the image. If that was your goal, then I think aliasing cannot be the cause since it is not seen on any other edges.

Did you have something else in mind?

Since I am pro-real, I'll offer my opinion that those blue lines are caused from variations in light intensity falling on the spires due to shadows from the other spires around the ring.

Before you defend your position on being open minded or willing to accept either side. I'll ask you this -- Given the choice of putting any effort into analyzing this, would you rather spend time proving it a hoax or proving it real?

And don't tell me that your analysis is unbiased, I'm talking about the initial hypothesis to present the argument as you have with that photo.

I value your question as an analysis to prove this a hoax -- it gives me a chance to debate the other side, but I am getting a bit tired of people saying they are unbiased when deep down they have an agenda.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:33pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:14pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
op.

I still don't get the RFI connection though. I know its a new creation of Alien Technology's but that was created some 20 years after Isaac left PACL and besides, using circuitry?


ATO:

Many of the products created by Alien Technology Inc. do not use circuity. The information and data are encoded in substrate materials.

Many of the things that Isaac talked about are used by Alien Technology Inc in their products. It is my opinion that the use of that name is no mere accident.

I don't think they picked that name just for fun.

If you don't get my connection between PARC and Alien Technology Inc., that's OK and it may be best to leave it at that for now.

A lot of people are mad as hell at me for making dubious connections. Sorry about that.



Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:38pm

I have one of "Chad's" Bakersfield, CA drone images as my work computer's desktop wallpaper. It has no annotations on it whatsoever, just the image. I work in a power plant and we have a number of engineers and fellow technicians who come into my area and see it. Sooner or later they'll notice it and ask.... "what the Hell is that!?" I can't even get through two sentences of explaining it before they're rolling their eyes.

The other reactions I get are from what Art Bell calls the "pixel people"... who point out that this is obviously a CGI creation because the lighting is wrong on this cluster of pixels, or a model superimposed on a real photo. The dozen or so eyewitness reports? 'They're kooks looking for their moment of fame on crackpot entertainment programs like Coast to Coast AM... 'that one has been seriously offered to me by three different people.

Out of the 50 to 60 people who've seen it and commented on it... not one of them has a genuine curiosity in the area that this may be real technology captured by the cameras. It's like they're all programmed to accept the most prosaic explanation, without any objective inquiry into the matter. The engineers are quicker to throw the B.S. flag on it than the technicians.

I don't know how representative this group is in gauging public perception of this phenomenon, but it has told me a lot about how powerful the fear of ridicule is for those who don't conform to conventional wisdom. These people consider me a kook because I haven't pronounced this a hoax, and started making fun of it with them.... it's truly sad sad

I'm not ready to make a definitive call on this issue by any stretch, but the more I research it, the more difficulty I have in calling it *all* a hoax, although it seems like there's some misinformation being infused into the scene to discredit it.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:39pm

hey all ;order, order the drones the crafts. now let us all calm down and get back to the task at hand. okay thank you all
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:47pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:53pm, urantia606 wrote:
I'm making a list of the debunkers on this thread.

Since yesterday and the release of the hi-res photo they have become shrill to the point of desperation.

Thats a good point. Shrill is also a good choice of words. I really like that although there is some squeeling in there too.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:57pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:29pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Be careful what you think there. You don't know everything.
Actually nothing is what I know.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:06pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:31pm, StayFocused wrote:
It's funny how whenever somebody states an opinion that goes against these drones being real we end up with a lot of labels being thrown around and angry responses. You might think my opinions are invalid but it's fine for the irrationally exuberant believers to throw around their "out of this world" opinions.

My comment had nothing to do with - who said what to whom. And it's not funny, it's rather tiring and it changes the air about the board and then arguments walk in right behind that.

Why are you here was my comment. The reason for it is because many of us are not going to quit what it is we are doing but we are growing tired of the opinions. The only thing we are looking for is more discovery or working on what we have already. We all had other plans in this thread still. Your opinionated comments are futile so why do you state them. They just cause arguments. And it's not that some take offense so much then it is their tired of hashing out the same things that were hashed out in the other two threads. Again, only based on opinion and we're way past such.

Many of us have been here since June 26th. If you had some kind of proof or discovery of your own then you should have brought it in. If you don't then I see no reason why you should aggravate everyone with words that essentially cause nothing but dissension.

I read all of your posts before I said what I did previously. There is not one iota of an attempt made by you to seek for anything whatsoever that has to do with the drones or Isaac. You have even tried to push more work off on me when you have done none yourself.

Quote:
OK, let's start spamming! Could somebody more familiar with the history of that image put together a template email for us to copy from?


So I must ask you again, why are you here?

The way, the following is the only thing you brought into the forum.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3349575&page=1
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:10pm

Here is a positive idea.

Let us create another list (we all like lists, right?)

A list comprised of items we know to be TRUE regarding the drone case. The items can be anything relative to the drones. What can be stated that believers and skeptics alike would agree upon?

Don't laugh, think!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:12pm

It's funny how whenever somebody states an opinion that goes against these drones being real we end up with a lot of labels being thrown around and angry responses. You might think my opinions are invalid but it's fine for the irrationally exuberant believers to throw around their "out of this world" opinions.

This all started with me defending Salad Fingers work as having some merit in the face of the tenuous claims made by Urantia. Get over it.

I'm not saying this is a definite hoax either. At this point there's not enough evidence either way.

He taught you nothing of CG, but well in the psychological use of words and the propaganda like choice of phrases. Which you are using now to sway this site to one viewpoint, his and yours. You of course as he does skip the issues. He hat his fakes ready including animation set on an English military appearing backdrop before anyone could asses the original Drones. I might say that his Drones never looked even half as real as the "REAL ONES". I suspect that you are directed by someone else in your phraseology now. "Oh why get made with me if I am here to debunk and still the thread". You have no proof of anything just carefully and professionally crafted rhetoric designed to at least dilute the enthusiasm here. Your hope it to derail the work of these good people and subtlety convince them of a hoax of great complexity. Not with evidence, but with mouth. All here should look at the wasteland called OMF after this group arrived. Threads were wiped out at their provoking. This much attention by these type debunkers should arouse the attention of all who post here and they should ask as ATO did: WHY ARE YOU HERE?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:13pm

OK, I promise I won't use the word 'debunker' anymore. I'll just use the word 'skeptic.'

One word I might use is that this discussion has become 'polarized'.

I'll be very honest with everyone about my opinion.

I believe the Drones are real. What I see in the hi-res photos I consider to be a 'real' alien technology object.

I don't need any more 'proof'. Call me gullible but I don't need any other 'evidence'. If anyone disagrees that's fine with me.

I am not 'on the fence'.

I don't how I could be any more candid.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:14pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:38pm, OnlookerDelay wrote:
The other reactions I get are from what Art Bell calls the "pixel people"... who point out that this is obviously a CGI creation because the lighting is wrong on this cluster of pixels, or a model superimposed on a real photo. The dozen or so eyewitness reports? 'They're kooks looking for their moment of fame on crackpot entertainment programs like Coast to Coast AM... 'that one has been seriously offered to me by three different people.

You mean the UFO communities own disinformation department. There seems to be plenty of that lately.

More then anything, I see that they are not staying abreast and are only reading the articles such as LMH's and the UFO Casebook articles. They need to get into the forums is the problem but most of them won't do that. That's where the answers are. Instead, they've set a snowball affect rolling since so and so doesn't believe it, then I won't either because it's easier to do that then take the time to find out themself. In essence, none of them have researched it yet.

The forum members here and OMF know more then the the top ufologists do. And that's an absolute fact so how could they call it. Most of them called it back on June 26th so what does that tell us?


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:15pm

Already this site is changing to this debunker's mind set. If you are not careful it will soon be just as irrelevant as OMF. Nothing but a course in how to fake a UFO and a programing tool to make all believe in that ridiculous supposition. Polarization is exactly what they want. Their opinion or none. Start a fight or anything to stop the investigation of this. Watch it work.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AgentM on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:23pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:13pm, urantia606 wrote:
I'll be very honest with everyone about my opinion.

I believe the Drones are real. What I see in the hi-res photos I consider to be a 'real' alien technology object.
I think a majority would also if they were inclined to do the homework that this thread has done.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:29pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:13pm, urantia606 wrote:
OK, I promise I won't use the word 'debunker' anymore. I'll just use the word 'skeptic.'


That's cool but I was serious about all of us getting in the habit of calling it what it is. I'm going to take a second here to define it more simply because we really do need to define what it is we're experiencing.

1. Debunker = has absolute proof of a hoax and we go do something else. We're done.

2. Lampoonist = An individual who has nothing but opinion or conjecture. Usually one that ridcules but also never brings discovery into the picture no matter if the discovery is on a positive or negative note.

3. Skeptic = One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity and does not settle for empirical evidence only.

4. !@#$%^& = We can't call them that in the forum but this would be our traditional one liner poster who states that it is a hoax without reading what's available and then leaves the forum never to be seen again.

What we have in these threads pretty much are all #2, lampooners or lampoonist.

Bakosawa is a skeptic. He's maybe ninny picking a little bit too much but just the same, you would term him a legitimate skeptic. He is totally welcome on any topic in this forum as long as he's still bringing in his pictures with questions since that is called "healthy skepticism". Dr.Dil is also a healthy skeptic since he is not bias and will even point things out we know but do not state.

We have not had a debunker yet since we're still talking about Isaac and the drones.

And, I usually delete the post made by #4 since they are typically just childish pranks anyway.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:29pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:38pm, OnlookerDelay wrote:
Out of the 50 to 60 people who've seen it and commented on it... not one of them has a genuine curiosity in the area that this may be real technology captured by the cameras. It's like they're all programmed to accept the most prosaic explanation, without any objective inquiry into the matter. The engineers are quicker to throw the B.S. flag on it than the technicians.

I don't know how representative this group is in gauging public perception of this phenomenon, but it has told me a lot about how powerful the fear of ridicule is for those who don't conform to conventional wisdom. These people consider me a kook because I haven't pronounced this a hoax, and started making fun of it with them.... it's truly sad sad

I'm not ready to make a definitive call on this issue by any stretch, but the more I research it, the more difficulty I have in calling it *all* a hoax, although it seems like there's some misinformation being infused into the scene to discredit it.


Good post! I posted a similar thought earlier.

The reason you got such a bad reaction is because you presented this in the worst possible place for two reasons. First it's public and second (and this only makes the first reason worse) it's at work. To have any hope of getting someones unbiased opinion on this subject you'll need to get to them in a private setting where they will be more receptive to expressing their true beliefs.

As pro believer as I am I would never bring this up at work. It would be career suicide. You definitely have more guts than me. But this gets to the main obstacle to disclosure. Public bias.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:34pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:29pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That's cool but I was serious about all of us getting in the habit of calling it what it is. I'm going to take a second here to define it more simply because we really do need to define what it is we're experiencing.

1. Debunker = has absolute proof of a hoax and we go do something else. We're done.

2. Lampoonist = An individual who has nothing but opinion or conjecture. Usually one that ridcules but also never brings discovery into the picture no matter if the discovery is on a positive or negative note.

3. Skeptic = One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity and does not settle for empirical evidence only.

4. !@#$%^& = We can't call them that in the forum but this would be our traditional one liner poster who states that it is a hoax without reading what's available and then leaves the forum never to be seen again.

What we have in these threads pretty much are all #2, lampooners or lampoonist.

Bakosawa is a skeptic. He's maybe ninny picking a little bit too much but just the same, you would term him a legitimate skeptic. He is totally welcome on any topic in this forum as long as he's still bringing in his pictures with questions since that is called "healthy skepticism". Dr.Dil is also a healthy skeptic since he is not bias and will even point things out we know but do not state.

We have not had a debunker yet since we're still talking about Isaac and the drones.

And, I usually delete the post made by #4 since they are typically just childish pranks anyway.


ATO:

That's a great list and is reasonable but you left one out.

5. The Believer. His or her mind is made up based on the evidence they see and that has been presented.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:36pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:43pm, DrDil wrote:
[b]What about the hi-res Big Basin release just yesterday?


That's today for us DrDil, you live in yesterday. It's only 10:30 ET here. lol
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:40pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:49pm, DrDil wrote:
I wouldn't bother, both Harry and Hermione get killed at the end and Hagrid is left incapacitated..........
(Before I get Potter'd - It's a joke!!!)


Major Harry Potter fan here and he's pulling your leg so don't believe him - but, in the new book I heard that one of the characters is date raped. I'm buying it tomorrow.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:46pm

The high resolution photos advance this to another level. The intricate and workable mechanisms are worth the study of an engineer. This photo now has a similarity with the Isaac info that is far stronger than before. Do you see in some cases parts of the object are being reflected in other parts as if mirror coated. This object is not just a CG Loons crafted idea, but a designed thing. To the ones that truly know what this is, continue to study this and the Diagrams even if you have to leave the site because of the static being introduced by the cult of salad. If you do study these, you will not be disappointed.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by StayFocused on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:56pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:29pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That's cool but I was serious about all of us getting in the habit of calling it what it is. I'm going to take a second here to define it more simply because we really do need to define what it is we're experiencing.

1. Debunker = has absolute proof of a hoax and we go do something else. We're done.

2. Lampoonist = An individual who has nothing but opinion or conjecture. Usually one that ridcules but also never brings discovery into the picture no matter if the discovery is on a positive or negative note.

3. Skeptic = One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity and does not settle for empirical evidence only.

4. !@#$%^& = We can't call them that in the forum but this would be our traditional one liner poster who states that it is a hoax without reading what's available and then leaves the forum never to be seen again.

What we have in these threads pretty much are all #2, lampooners or lampoonist.

Bakosawa is a skeptic. He's maybe ninny picking a little bit too much but just the same, you would term him a legitimate skeptic. He is totally welcome on any topic in this forum as long as he's still bringing in his pictures with questions since that is called "healthy skepticism". Dr.Dil is also a healthy skeptic since he is not bias and will even point things out we know but do not state.

We have not had a debunker yet since we're still talking about Isaac and the drones.

And, I usually delete the post made by #4 since they are typically just childish pranks anyway.


This is a great list. I'm guessing the ideal in your opinion would be category 3 then?

The only problem is that most of the believers on this forum would fall into category 2.

On this forum you're in the clear if you're a lampoonist and a believer but if you're on the fence and a lampoonist then you're screwed.

Geez, it's starting to get confusing. Isn't all of this name calling a little bit juvenile?


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:10pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:56pm, StayFocused wrote:
The only problem is that most of the believers on this forum would fall into category 2.



StayFocused:

Some Believers may fall in the #2 slot but I do not.

I've brought a lot of information to this thread. As much or more than almost anyone has.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:16pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:29pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Bakosawa is a skeptic. He's maybe ninny picking a little bit too much but just the same, you would term him a legitimate skeptic. He is totally welcome on any topic in this forum as long as he's still bringing in his pictures with questions since that is called "healthy skepticism".


Hey.... I resemble that statement! grin grin grin

Well, you know that I do not adhere to the line of blind faith or irrational “debunking.” As a scientist, I have to agree with Stanton Friedman that exceptional claims must be backed with exceptional evidence. I deal with facts, not feelings (as in that is too complex to be a hoax or that looks too real). We have been fooled too many times… and before I pay $25 for a $2500 Rolex watch, I want to be sure there aren’t two Xs in the word Rolex.

If it is a Rolex, count me in. smiley

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by GForce on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:22pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:29pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That's cool but I was serious about all of us getting in the habit of calling it what it is. I'm going to take a second here to define it more simply because we really do need to define what it is we're experiencing.

1. Debunker = has absolute proof of a hoax and we go do something else. We're done.

2. Lampoonist = An individual who has nothing but opinion or conjecture. Usually one that ridcules but also never brings discovery into the picture no matter if the discovery is on a positive or negative note.

3. Skeptic = One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity and does not settle for empirical evidence only.

4. !@#$%^& = We can't call them that in the forum but this would be our traditional one liner poster who states that it is a hoax without reading what's available and then leaves the forum never to be seen again.

What we have in these threads pretty much are all #2, lampooners or lampoonist.

Bakosawa is a skeptic. He's maybe ninny picking a little bit too much but just the same, you would term him a legitimate skeptic. He is totally welcome on any topic in this forum as long as he's still bringing in his pictures with questions since that is called "healthy skepticism". Dr.Dil is also a healthy skeptic since he is not bias and will even point things out we know but do not state.

We have not had a debunker yet since we're still talking about Isaac and the drones.

And, I usually delete the post made by #4 since they are typically just childish pranks anyway.


Where do I fit in? Can I at least be a timid skeptic?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Ahmedadudy on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:31pm

Hi, this is my first post ever so please be kind.

huh The pic of the language anaiysis has, I assume, Issac's hand writting on it. Don't they have ways to match that up with former PACL employees? If they do, Issac might want to black out anymore out in the future.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2007/pacl-lang-analysis-p119-fullsize.jpg

Thanks for letting me in and I hope Issac is OK.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:35pm

Someone complained earlier that "every four hours" I mention the need for follow up from LMH, C2C, etc. Not sure if it's time yet, or why this irritates them so much, but let me clarify -

When you profess to be a voice for the UFO community, and you in fact make your living as such, then you have a responsibility to that community. This is arguably the hottest story regarding potential contact and disclosure that we've seen in a long while. For these two high profile individuals to issue no follow up stories, statements, or updates, is ridiculous - without a very solid reason. It's that reason that I'd like an answer for. In our little corner of the UFO universe, this silence is akin to Wolf Blitzer not mentioning Iraq during his newscast. This story is powerful, it came to LMH and C2C first, it's on fire - and they seem to be distancing themselves from it - why? That is my concern.

On Saladfingers - this talented fellow proved his point ages ago - that using GCI technology he can REcreate something that closely resembles some thing that someone else created. He has now, however, moved into the arena of self promotion. The worst part of having his REcreations all over the internet is that those individuals who are just starting to research this and aren't familiar with the Saladfingers Saga are being mislead into thinking that the originals are absolutely CGI. This is not the case. While I respect his abilities, I question his judgment - if not his motives - as he is continuing to crank out drone "artwork". That's not called research, that's called advertising.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:37pm

This is a great list. I'm guessing the ideal in your opinion would be category 3 then?

The only problem is that most of the believers on this forum would fall into category 2.

On this forum you're in the clear if you're a lampoonist and a believer but if you're on the fence and a lampoonist then you're screwed.

Geez, it's starting to get confusing. Isn't all of this name calling a little bit juvenile?

You should know since you are taking the forum further and further away from the point.

Using the word juvenile, plants the idea that any one that disagrees with you is not to be taken seriously. Clever, but only for the weaker ones. You need to go back and get a new phrase or two. Geez, indicating some degree of youth and therefore " cut me some slack dude" I really want to understand, but come on you know this is a hoax. The use of the word hoax to implant the concept and draw the attention away from the reality of the subject. Your agenda is juvenile and is the same one used on OMF to dilute their study of the drones. Where is the definite CG true copy of these objects if they are just CG. They have not been produced by your saladman. You have no proof, but the believers here have much. Your job is to convince them they have none and you and your kind have the truth. You do not have this and you are not capable of having it and that is the truth. Now you try to gain sympathy for the poor defamed defamer.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:38pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:15pm, leviathan6 wrote:
Already this site is changing to this debunker's mind set. If you are not careful it will soon be just as irrelevant as OMF. Nothing but a course in how to fake a UFO and a programing tool to make all believe in that ridiculous supposition. Polarization is exactly what they want. Their opinion or none. Start a fight or anything to stop the investigation of this. Watch it work.


It won't go on much longer. They get burnout and run out of things to say anyway without repeating themself. Not to mention, I would never let that happen. I let it run it's course, they leave and we go back at it.

I posted something in OMF and was immediately hit on by five lampoonist and have a real good taste of what to expect there. Besides that, I spent about six months in the Unexplained Mysteries forum.

I know what it's like in those other forums and I will never allow this forum to experience such. Never to that degree. BJ knows very well how I feel about unhealthy skepticism. It's a waste of our time and only causes dissention.

What happens is members get frustrated and leave our forum. Well, that was because of the lampoonist and the unhealthy skeptic, not the other members.

They have no right to force our members to leave. Consequently, it won't happen on my watch and I'll make sure that they leave first.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:45pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:22pm, GForce wrote:
Where do I fit in? Can I at least be a timid skeptic?


The same place I do, as a member of the UFO Casebook that weighs everything and never uses the words believe. lol That's about all I can come up with.

Essentially, we're none of the above.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:52pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:35pm, MarkM wrote:
Someone complained earlier that "every four hours" I mention the need for follow up from LMH, C2C, etc. Not sure if it's time yet, or why this irritates them so much, but let me clarify -

When you profess to be a voice for the UFO community, and you in fact make your living as such, then you have a responsibility to that community. This is arguably the hottest story regarding potential contact and disclosure that we've seen in a long while. For these two high profile individuals to issue no follow up stories, statements, or updates, is ridiculous - without a very solid reason. It's that reason that I'd like an answer for. In our little corner of the UFO universe, this silence is akin to Wolf Blitzer not mentioning Iraq during his newscast. This story is powerful, it came to LMH and C2C first, it's on fire - and they seem to be distancing themselves from it - why? That is my concern.


Mark!!!

I was waiting for your 'concern' post. You were about 30 minutes late this time. No problem. Even airplanes are late.

All kidding aside your posts are always thoughtful and a pleasure to read.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:02pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:52pm, urantia606 wrote:
Mark!!!

I was waiting for your 'concern' post. You were about 30 minutes late this time. No problem. Even airplanes are late.

All kidding aside your posts are always thoughtful and a pleasure to read.



LOL! I broke down and took my "drone-widow" wife out to dinner smiley!
We made the mistake of just running into WalMart. I have a mystery far deeper than the drones - how does one come out of there with two small plastic bags and $79 poorer?!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:05pm

I get a strange feeling that this thread is being deluged by planted skeptics all of a sudden.

Especially after LMH sent us the hi-res photo yesterday.

I have no proof...just a hunch.

Caution is advised.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:05pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:52pm, urantia606 wrote:
All kidding aside your posts are always thoughtful and a pleasure to read.


As are yours, my friend smiley
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:12pm

A debunker or skeptic is in most cases unnecessary to an exploration set to find the truth or at least a reason. A open minded person will self correct and a skeptic by the very term is not open minded. Their pleasure comes from projecting their one-sided opinion on others and making others their disciples. I have not come to a conclusion on this, but I have learned from it. So I come away no matter what with something of worth. A skeptic comes away with a warm cozy feeling and nothing else. Notice how a skeptic always in clear or subtle ways infers that anyone else is inferior. This in itself is nothing but egotism and helps no one.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:17pm

People I didn't even have to think about this very hard to discredit him.
Now you have made up your mind, so I will not waste my time trying to change it, because I do not care what you think as you do not have to care what I think. I have profited from this and I will more, if you can not do not expect me to come to your way of thinking because you command it. Go your way and do your thing. It effects me in no way.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:20pm

I am finding gold here. If your are not, to bad. Do I here the recess is over bell.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by PawnSacrifice on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:24pm

LOL ATO.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:24pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:05pm, MarkM wrote:
As are yours, my friend smiley


Quote:
on Today at 10:52pm, urantia606 wrote:All kidding aside your posts are always thoughtful and a pleasure to read.

As are yours, my friend


And as I wish mine could be. Boy is this getting frustrating tonight. I'm snap material tonight with what I've had to read and respond to.

Save me Marky, save me Urantia. lol Well, I've got leviathan6.

I really don't want to be responding to that stuff to begin with so I'm not anymore tonight, I'm going into the ignore mode. I don't enjoy talking to walls.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:28pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:05pm, urantia606 wrote:
I get a strange feeling that this thread is being deluged by planted skeptics all of a sudden.Especially after LMH sent us the hi-res photo yesterday.
I have no proof...just a hunch.
Caution is advised.


Me too.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:30pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:28pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Me too.


Agitators only succeed if we let them. WHEN, and ONLY when, they have invested the time by reading all that has come before in the thread, may they ask questions. I feel like a cow--chewing the same cud over and over and over. It's deja vu all over again! wink
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:39pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:05pm, urantia606 wrote:
I get a strange feeling that this thread is being deluged by planted skeptics all of a sudden.

Especially after LMH sent us the hi-res photo yesterday.

I have no proof...just a hunch.

Caution is advised.


Planted Skeptics? In a UFO forum?
Oh the Humanity!

(Please note, the previous comment was said with 'tongue firmly planted in cheek)

wink

non tongue in cheek version: Yeah I kinda got that feeling too..lots of instant 'snap' decisions.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:40pm

Let's go back to looking at pretty pictures. lol Let's see if #4 gets it. grin grin

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by leviathan6 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:41pm

Just as on OMF, this gang shows up. Now remember the first one was a Salad protégé and this commander follows. It fits the pattern I have seen before and you ATO can see it. The high res pic has struck a nerve somewhere and the s--m is floating to the top. Watch how the terms they use are designed to push your buttons and realize the people here who can think have hit on something the s--m do not like. Keep watching.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:46pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:41pm, leviathan6 wrote:
Just as on OMF, this gang shows up. Now remember the first one was a Salad protégé and this commander follows. It fits the pattern I have seen before and you ATO can see it. The high res pic has struck a nerve somewhere and the s--m is floating to the top. Watch how the terms they use are designed to push your buttons and realize the people here who can think have hit on something the s--m do not like. Keep watching.


It's the website is why. We get the newbies when ever a new article comes out. With that we get a lot of the #4's. This happened immediately each and every time a new drone popped up. Then it happened again when Isaac was made available. And it happened at the beginning of this thread since it went on the website too. Now today, this has gone up and so this was to be expected. I expected it, I know to let it pass.

Special Report-High Resolution Photographs of Big Basin Craft
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasinhighres.html



About the "language"
Post by BigThinker on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:51pm

Hey all!

I'm a first-time poster here and I've been following the thread for a while now.

I was thinking about the "language" used on these crafts (plus Issac's documents) and something came to mind that I don't think anyone has touched on yet... Fractals.

This came to mind after reading about how Issac explained how the language worked via "you can't use the same letter twice" kinda thing. I got this picture in my head of starting with something small (a simple piece of math) that does something and then mixing it with another simple small piece of math and having it functionally and programmatically build complex structures or in this case complex "code" to run structures. Replace the simple math with these symbols/language/whatever it is and it's the same kind of idea.

It's really hard for me to explain this... and I haven't even fully grasped my own idea, but I thought I'd throw this out there for you all. Maybe we have a math major out there who can say "yay" or "nay" to this idea and/or expand on it.






Re: About the "language"
Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:55pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:51pm, BigThinker wrote:
Hey all!

I'm a first-time poster here and I've been following the thread for a while now.

I was thinking about the "language" used on these crafts (plus Issac's documents) and something came to mind that I don't think anyone has touched on yet... Fractals.

This came to mind after reading about how Issac explained how the language worked via "you can't use the same letter twice" kinda thing. I got this picture in my head of starting with something small (a simple piece of math) that does something and then mixing it with another simple small piece of math and having it functionally and programmatically build complex structures or in this case complex "code" to run structures. Replace the simple math with these symbols/language/whatever it is and it's the same kind of idea.

It's really hard for me to explain this... and I haven't even fully grasped my own idea, but I thought I'd throw this out there for you all. Maybe we have a math major out there who can say "yay" or "nay" to this idea and/or expand on it.


Fractals...as in Mandelbrot? Man I never could grasp all that.. maybe I'll learn something here about it. Math was never my strong suit.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:55pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:31pm, Ahmedadudy wrote:
Hi, this is my first post ever so please be kind.

huh The pic of the language anaiysis has, I assume, Issac's hand writting on it. Don't they have ways to match that up with former PACL employees? If they do, Issac might want to black out anymore out in the future.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2007/pacl-lang-analysis-p119-fullsize.jpg

Thanks for letting me in and I hope Issac is OK.


Hi Ahmedadudy, welcome to the UFO Casebook.

Isaac didn't black out any of the report. That was blacked out when he received it.

We never thought about the handwriting issue but you might just have something there. It's never been brought up.

I imagine the DoD could as long as they still have enough signatures on those employees but which one would it be.

Isaac said....
Quote:
State of the art hardware and a staff of over 200 computer scientists, electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, physicists and mathematicians. Most of us were civilians, as I’ve said, but some were military, and a few of them had been working on this technology already.

So that would be a lot of people to filter out while trying to find one man based on a handwriting analysis - but it would still be possible - just a lot of work.

Good thought though.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Keith on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:57pm

I came here to do some serious reading, research, and add my 2 cents worth. I got convinced to jump back to the correct side of the fence after getting a link to the hi-res shot(thank you). Now I spent an hour catching up on 12 pages of mostly soap opera stuff. Come on folks, lets focus on the mission- analysis and constructive conversation. Besides, the agency spies are having to spend too many of our tax payer dollars wading through useless information. grin Lets get on with it.
Re: About the "language"
Post by BigThinker on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:58pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:55pm, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
Fractals...as in Mandelbrot? Man I never could grasp all that.. maybe I'll learn something here about it. Math was never my strong suit.


Yeah, Mandelbrot is the most famous fractal, I think. I too am not in expert in fractals but they kinda fit what Issac was saying. I think he mentioned a lot of computing power was needed for some of the things they were doing. In the 80's was when fractals were getting popular for use with computers.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:58pm

These are fractals and their beautiful

Here's a Wiki on fractals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by BigThinker on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:03am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:58pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
These are fractals and their beautiful





Here's a Wiki on fractals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal


Thanks for the link.

I agree, fractals are beautiful. They are natural too. I'd like to point out that I don't believe the shape of the crafts have to do with the fractals (although it's possible)... my comment was based on just the "language".

Since fractals are naturally occurring (presumably everywhere - meaning ice-crystals forming inside Pluto), it's more believable (to me anyway) that this technology could come from somewhere else.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:04am

Mandelbrot Fractals
http://encyclozine.com/Science/Mathematics/Fractals/Mandelbrot/

Right and/or left click on the picture
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:07am


I know, nobody wanted to see this one.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:07am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:04am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Mandelbrot Fractals
http://encyclozine.com/Science/Mathematics/Fractals/Mandelbrot/

Right and/or left click on the picture


I've played with that java app before....... and, much like I just did now...I got dizzy, and couldn't find my way back!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by BigThinker on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:10am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:04am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Mandelbrot Fractals
http://encyclozine.com/Science/Mathematics/Fractals/Mandelbrot/

Right and/or left click on the picture


This is sweet! So think of a "letter" in the "language" as being a curve or line or group of pixels in these fractals. Put a "letters" together and you have a specific system that repeats the same specific process that can be simple or extremely complex. If one piece is off or wrong, the outcome will be wrong and nothing will work correctly.

That's the best I can do in explaining this... Maybe I'm on to something maybe not. I'm just trying to look at this at as many angles as possible. cool
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by GForce on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:11am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:57pm, Keith wrote:
I came here to do some serious reading, research, and add my 2 cents worth. I got convinced to jump back to the correct side of the fence after getting a link to the hi-res shot(thank you). Now I spent an hour catching up on 12 pages of mostly soap opera stuff. Come on folks, lets focus on the mission- analysis and constructive conversation. Besides, the agency spies are having to spend too many of our tax payer dollars wading through useless information. grin Lets get on with it.


I agree Keith! In my opinion this is what separates Casebook from some other UFO forums. Great members, stirring debate. If only some folks wouldn't come in closed minded and with an agenda. I get tired of blanket statements! Dan
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:14am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:35pm, Latitude wrote:
Hey pvtjoker, btw is your nic in reference to Full Metal Jacket?

You beat me to the post. I'll just add that none of Salad's drones have ever come close to the realism in the Chad Raj photos. Sure, his LAP diagrams were quite good copies, but that is just what they are, copies. It showed no creativity.

What salad has done is become a tool for the debunkers. He claims it was not his intention but he continues to pursue those things. Then there was the day right after the Isaac story broke where he launched his most extreme attack on the believers calling them jackasses being led by a caret.

So do not let his benign appearance fool you. He's the strongest debunker force on OMF.



you got me, FMJ is my favorite movie of all time cool

I agree with you though about saladfingers though
Re: About the "language"
Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:17am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:51pm, BigThinker wrote:
I was thinking about the "language" used on these crafts (plus Issac's documents) and something came to mind that I don't think anyone has touched on yet... Fractals.

This came to mind after reading about how Issac explained how the language worked via "you can't use the same letter twice" kinda thing. I got this picture in my head of starting with something small (a simple piece of math) that does something and then mixing it with another simple small piece of math and having it functionally and programmatically build complex structures or in this case complex "code" to run structures. Replace the simple math with these symbols/language/whatever it is and it's the same kind of idea.

It's really hard for me to explain this... and I haven't even fully grasped my own idea, but I thought I'd throw this out there for you all. Maybe we have a math major out there who can say "yay" or "nay" to this idea and/or expand on it.


Well, I'm going to ask you to take your time - even a day or so and try to come up with an analogy if you could that better defines what you're trying to say because I think it's important that we hear you and understand what it is you are thinking. Did I make sense just now? Hope so.
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Re: About the "language"
Post by BigThinker on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:21am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:17am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Well, I'm going to ask you to take your time - even a day or so and try to come up with an analogy if you could that better defines what you're trying to say because I think it's important that we hear you and understand what it is you are thinking. Did I make sense just now? Hope so.
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Yes, you make sense. I'm off to bed now and I'll think it over for a bit. I know it's not a complete idea yet, but I wanted to get it out there in case someone saw the basis of what i was thinking and had an "ah-hah!" moment. Maybe someone in mathematics.
Re: About the "language"
Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:25am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:21am, BigThinker wrote:
Yes, you make sense. I'm off to bed now and I'll think it over for a bit. I know it's not a complete idea yet, but I wanted to get it out there in case someone saw the basis of what i was thinking and had an "ah-hah!" moment. Maybe someone in mathematics.


Nothing can be more confusing then the following though and we have an analogy on it so I think you'll be able to come up with something over the days to come. Or another member will read what we've written and come up with something maybe so check back.

Quote:
First of all, you wouldn't open up their hardware to find a CPU here, and a data bus there, and some kind of memory over there. Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate - each "computational element" (essentially individual particles) can function independently, but are designed to function together in tremendously large clusters. I say its holographic because you can divide it up into the smallest chunks you want and still find a scaled-down but complete representation of the whole system. They produce a nonlinear computational output when grouped. So 4 elements working together is actually more than 4 times more powerful than 1. Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state. The shape of these "chunks" of substrate also had a profound effect on its functionality, and often served as a "shortcut" to achieve a goal that might otherwise be more complex.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:36am

weird that the term "fractals" came up. I was having a conversation with some friends about the universe and trying to convey the idea that this universe/omniverse could be described as fractal....from atoms to solar systems to galaxies to universe(s). They didn't get it though huh
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:46am

I like this quote:

If there is something wrong with me......perhaps there is something wrong with the Universe......

Makes sense to me.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by wreckage on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:47am

Hello, andyEastCoast.

The date on the MUFON report is May 16, 2007. It obviously doesn't include the bulk of the material, and is based only on the first few images. I think it's somewhat premature. I'd like to know however, if they're examining the 'case' now or not.

Although it has probably happened, I don't recall seeing any discussion on this forum, or OMF with regard to the particular discrepancies pointed out in the report. If this has occurred, I would appreciate the relevant posts being pointed out to me.

Cheers.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 21st, 2007, 01:01am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:54am, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
"Requirements:

Ability to communicate effectively and constructively with persons of diverse cultures, language groups, and abilities.
Demonstrated sensitivity to and ability to work with the diverse academic, socioeconomic, cultural and ethnic backgrounds of community college students, faculty and staff, including those with disabilities.
.


Hello Central:

I noticed the first two requirements shown above. I better not mention names but that's a tough one .


Nite, nite all.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 21st, 2007, 01:05am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 01:01am, urantia606 wrote:
Hello Central:

I noticed the first two requirements shown above. I better not mention names but that's a tough one .


Nite, nite all.


hahaha.. why do I see a NOT so hidden dig in there somewhere..

nite.


OK....... we now return you to our regularly scheduled program?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by chgowriter on Jul 21st, 2007, 03:11am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:54pm, DrDil wrote:
Regarding, “Calm down.” I’m genuinely sorry, I'm just used to talking to you in the manner in which you address me. (e.g. Dil)

SNIP

I was under the impression this was the, “Cutting edge” of RFID, not the BB Drone.

I have read up on it and still don’t understand, in short, and respectfully, could you please tell me:

How this is alien technology?
How this is exactly what was researched at PARC by using alien artefacts?
How you arrived at the decision that this is what Isaac is talking about?
How this is one of the commercial and military and communications and other applications of alien technology (when it has being around since the 1930’s)?
How this relates directly to the writing on the BB Drone?


Many thanks (and no large letters)

“Dil.”


DrDil:

I'm also very familiar with RFID technology -- have seen RFID tags being created and even wrote an article about it once. You're correct about it. RFID technology is still even not really well-constructed. The circuits are usually encased in padded paper or something like that, but a direct hit with a fork lift and they can break and then they aren't very useful. RFID really isn't mysterious or sinister in any way. They are used primarily for inventory tracking.

I don't believe PARC was ever involved in RFID and it certainly wasn't back-engineered from alien technology.

Excuse me if I sound shrill or desperate. I don't feel that way.

Chgowriter
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LAU on Jul 21st, 2007, 03:27am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:11pm, bakosawa wrote:
No comments?



No one is interested in analysis anymore !
Most of the people of this forum only want to FIGHT among themselves for ideias.
It that's the case, I'm backing up from posting until this forum it gets back to a constructive way of thinking, or in alternative, I find a better forum to work.

I also have some posts that gone completely lost in the middle of fights and no one read them.
It was a completely waste of time... but I'm learning fast?

Back to your post ... can you please explan in a different way?
I see nothing unusual. What do you see I can't see?
Thanks!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 21st, 2007, 05:23am

Everybody's sleeping in.

What is your opinion: Has anybody established whether ET's shut down to sleep like we do? It seems a terrible waste of time. Perhaps they have evolved beyond the need for shut eye.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 21st, 2007, 05:34am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 03:27am, LAU wrote:
No one is interested in analysis anymore !

It’s not really an analysis as such but more of an observation; I was wondering what other forum members take was on this image or perhaps more importantly it’s intended use and position.

I always thought when looking at the original (lo-res) Big Basin pictures that this strut (for want of a better word) was actually on the top of the main paddle, but since the release of the hi-res version it appears that it’s on the side and may not even be attached to the paddle but rather the main ring.

(The lo-res is top image.)
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I also believe that it’s exclusive to the Big Basin images and can’t figure out its actual position or even hazard a guess at a possible use.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 21st, 2007, 05:42am

To me it looks like a "shoe" (as on many of our cameras) where additional attachments are connected.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 21st, 2007, 05:47am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 05:42am, Nodnunk wrote:
To me it looks like a "shoe" (as on many of our cameras) where additional attachments are connected.

And what about its position?
Unless it's moving (and I don't think it is) one of these images is an optical illusion, or at the very least a weird angle, giving the impression of being in two different places.

Could well be just me, I’ve been working with the hi-res picture that much I can see the outline when I close my eyes!!
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Post by Nodnunk on Jul 21st, 2007, 07:53am

I don't doubt that a lot of pieces of the drones are capable of movement.
I expect the spikes can move around the circumference of the rings.
The center of the BB drone dual rings can iris (compare the Stephen and Ty photos)
The curved prongs on the bottom cage of the BB drone are hinged and can swing down.
The large ring attached to the drone on the end opposite the "shoe" can swing laterally.
So I wouldn't be surprised that the "shoe" itself can move.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by HUBCAP9 on Jul 21st, 2007, 08:15am

In answer to Dr Dil's question about what Linda told David Cayton and myself in our caravan,the following is a summary;

In April, 1983, Linda Moulton Howe, who had just produced an excellent documentary about cattle mutilations called Strange Harvest, was contacted. At the time she was working on a new script for Home Box Office on UFOs.

The night before the contact she met with researcher and attorney Peter Gersten. Gersten, who had played a prominent role as an attorney forcing out UFO documents using the Freedom of Information Act, told Howe that he had met with the same person that she would meet with - Richard C. Doty, an AFOSI agent at Kirtland AFB.

When Howe got to Kirtland, Doty took her to a small office where he handed her a brown envelope and said, "My superiors have asked me to show you this." He withdrew several sheets of white paper from an envelope, and handed them to her. She could not keep them or take notes, but she could read the pages and ask questions.

The document was titled Briefing Paper for the President of the United States of America. It described UFO crashes, alien bodies, and an alien who survived one of the crashes. The paper listed several government UFO projects. Linda described being given the document to read,

He (Doty) said my superiors have asked me to show you a document that you can read. You cannot take notes, and I want you to move from the chair you are sitting in – I want you to move to the chair in the center of the room…but as I look at that page which was dramatically all caps, typing where the type is in the paper. It said - each line was centered on the page- “BRIEFING FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ON THE SUBJECT OF UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL VEHICLES.”
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Post by Nodnunk on Jul 21st, 2007, 08:33am

I was thinking about the tag line Starsigndavid attaches to his posts:

Only by arrogance and ignorance does Man believe He is alone in the Cosmos.

May I offer the following thoughts. According to our own home grown Earthside astrophysics, it has been 13.7 billion years since the Big Bang.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe

Our Sun and the solar system were formed about 4.6 billion years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_system#Formation

We humans (Homo sapiens) have been around only about 200,000 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution

The time from the Big Bang until the formation of our Sun was about 9.1 billion years. Just about twice the 4.6 billion years it took the Earth to evolve to the present day. What kinds evolution could have been happening elsewhere during those 9 billion years, before our Sun even formed? Then add to that the 4.6 billion minus 200,000 years to reach the dawn of Man as we know him. Lots of time for several early technological civilizations to colonize the galaxy. The conclusion of this exercise is to realize that ET's may be more than a few thousand years ahead of us techonolgically, they may be billions of years ahead.
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Post by benzjie on Jul 21st, 2007, 08:58am

even if they are "only" 3000 years ahead ( which is less then the blink of an eye on the cosmic timescale ) they are lightyears ahead technology wise.....just look at what mankind has cooked up in the past 120 years.

( sidestep) I believe that mankind, or other intelligent races, have been on earth before. If you look at the impossible artefacts found it is possible that intelligent life gets wiped out every 150.000 years ( iceages). Is it possible that one or more of those races advanced far enough to escape earth and his iceage and is coming"home"every now and then ?
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Post by DrDil on Jul 21st, 2007, 09:03am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 08:15am, HUBCAP9 wrote:
In answer to Dr Dil's question about what Linda told David Cayton and myself in our caravan,the following is a summary;


Thank you for your time in explaining this, it is greatly appreciated. smiley I know you are more than aware of this, but for those who aren’t.

We were referring to the same footage, it (and its predecessor) has the been used as bait at least three/four times that I know of.

This particular carrot (CARET?) has been dangled amidst claims that the government was now ready to release all the facts about the alien presence on earth along with a film of the live alien that allegedly had lived in a Los Alamos safe house from 1949-1952.

I.e. Photographs and films of UFOs, 800 feet of film showing a landed encounter between three aliens and Holloman Air Base officials during a landing that had reportedly occurred there in May 1971, several thousand feet of additional UFO footage and the real NASA smoking gun comprising of photos of UFOs taken by astronauts, which NASA had officially, publicly and vehemently denied the existence of.

The Holloman film was first brought up with Emenegger and Sandler by Paul Shartle and Col. Lane from AFOSI.

I believe the chronological order that A UFO film was offered is,

1955-56 – Walt Disney
1972-73 - Robert Emenegger and Allan Sandler
1983 – Linda Moulton Howe
1985 - Robert Emenegger

Again, many thanks.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:06am

Here is another look...

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These vertical lines are through out the photo in places along edges... I love the panda collection too (red arrow).

Any ideas yet as to why a real photo would have these?
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Post by B J Booth on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:15am

I have been following these reports since the beginning, and as you all know the Casebook main site has published many reports on the Drone mystery. A number of these have been positive, yet there have been a number of those who are reluctant to come all the way over to the believer side.

Let's be honest, to say "I want to believe," and really believing are two different things. Personally, I am still waiting for more evidence before I make my mind up 100% one way or the other, and lets keep in mind that there are other things happening in the world of UFOs.

It would be a great big feather in all of our caps if this thing turns out to be the "real thing." But, until then, all I am saying is keep an open mind, and weigh all the evidence.

I received an email this morning with a grey scale rendering of the recent Big Basin photos, and with some comments that are worthy to consider.

See next post with photo and reader comments.
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Post by B J Booth on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:20am

Moderator note: BJ I edited this in order to put both pictures side by side for an easier comparison.

The new high resolution picture of this object has some unusual "fixes". I have attached a greyscale negative image of the second picture. Notice the ligher grey areas in the picture that don't show up in the normal image. They suggest that a clone brush has been
used to paint out areas of the picture.

If the picture was unretouched, none of that would appear. I think if there is any evidence of retouching, the picture is suspect.

Dave

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:29am



Well, it looks like we have a new job for OnTheFence. What do you think?
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:29am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:20am, B J Booth wrote:
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The new high resolution picture of this object has some unusual "fixes". I have attached a greyscale negative image of the second picture. Notice the ligher grey areas in the picture that don't show up in the normal image. They suggest that a clone brush has been
used to paint out areas of the picture.

If the picture was unretouched, none of that would appear. I think if there is any evidence of retouching, the picture is suspect.

Dave



Hi dave and welcome........

Could you explain what you mean by 'fixes' and 'clone brush'?

And what would be the purpose of such changes....what would be accomplished?

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:31am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:29am, urantia606 wrote:
Hi dave and welcome........

Could you explain what you mean by 'fixes' and 'clone brush'?

And what would be the purpose of such changes....what would be accomplished?


Urantia, that was BJ posting that picture for Dave who sent it to BJ in the email he was referring to. Dave's not here.

I sound like Cheech and Chong. LOL

DAVE'S NOT HERE lol
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:33am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:31am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Urantia, that was BJ posting that picture for Dave who sent it to BJ in the email he was referring to. Dave's not here.

I sound like Cheech and Chong. LOL

DAVE'S NOT HERE lol


Ok, thanks ...I understand now.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:44am


I wish Dave was more specific as to the lighter grey areas. I know what but I don't know where he's talking about. Since he did say "notice the lighter grey areas" then we need to look at the "darkest areas" on the original picture. That much I've done but I still don't see a difference.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:47am

Could you elaborate further BJ?

Does your source mean it is actually there in the sky and has been retouched, or it’s originally a CGI image that has been retouched?

Does this suggest that the parts that aren’t light grey are genuine, or is it the fact that it’s been retouched at all the issue?

Aren’t the light grey areas merely the areas that were previously darkened in the original image, or am I missing something?

WIKI: A negative image is a tonal inversion of a positive image, in which light areas appear dark and vice versa.

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Incidentally I wholeheartedly agree with expressing caution regarding the, “Drone” images.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:55am

BJ - as someone that works extensively with Photoshop and is very familiar with both the clone tool and inversion mode (negative), I admit to being at a loss for how this person made the determination. I inverted the original hi res (so that I would have a pure image) and examined that . I also overlaid mine with the one you received (which had been rescaled). There was nothing that jumped out at me.

Why would a touch up be needed using the clone tool if this were straight CGI? Why would it be needed if it's a model photo? Why go to such extremes for authenticity and accurate lighting only the mess with the pixels and risk discovery.

Of far more concern to me has been the ease with which an image could be dropped into a featureless sky. Of all photos - this one always raised an eyebrow for me. It is also proving to be the most captivating one!

I would need a lot more info from Dave - more specific comments and his background, area of expertise that qualifies him to offer this analysis with confidence.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:01am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:55am, MarkM wrote:
Of far more concern to me has been the ease with which an image could be dropped into a featureless sky. Of all photos - this one always raised an eyebrow for me. It is also proving to be the most captivating one!

Yeah, I was quite shocked a little while ago when I wanted to edit the trees out of the Big Basin Hi-Res image, so I drew a little box and when using the fill tool I didn’t bother using the original background as a sample, but instead just chose white.
THE RESULTING FILL WAS UN-NOTICEABLE!!
I know we recently discussed smog and pollution etc. But for it to be a perfect, “Photoshop white,” I feel is stretching reality a little too far.

Welcome to my world MarkM grin

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:01am

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:30pm, starsigndavid wrote:
Agitators only succeed if we let them. WHEN, and ONLY when, they have invested the time by reading all that has come before in the thread, may they ask questions. I feel like a cow--chewing the same cud over and over and over. It's deja vu all over again! wink


I just try to ignore them.
You cannot reason with a sherm.....it is better to turn to them a deaf ear for their purpose is not research and discovery. Their world is filled with fear and paranoia of something bigger than of all of us, that we are not the only and all powerful beings in the Universe that our spiritual leaders have led them to believe.
Fear is the mindkiller.
A closed mind cannot be opened.............and any force induced to do so usually ends in the total destruction of the head.............making quite a mess of things.
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Post by Nodnunk on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:01am

According to the Drone Sightings History LMH received a dozen prints from Ty in the mail.

THE TY/BIG BASIN DRONE REPORT:
Linda Moulton Howe initially received an email on June 11 stating,
In yesterday's post office mail, I received twelve more images of the latest, more
menacing-looking dragonfly-shaped aerial "drone," along with a letter mailed on June
11, 2007, from an eyewitness named Ty. He had also emailed me on June 11, telling
me that he was sending photographs he had taken while bicycling with a group of
riders near Saratoga, California, in Big Basin. Ty said the cycling group saw the
bizarre aerial object three times on June 5, 2007.
He said in his email that he was surprised to see at Earthfiles the images allegedly
taken by someone named "Stephen" that showed the same object Ty and his friends
watched appear and disappear also on June 5, 2007, and that Ty photographed.
Here are the twelve printed photographs I received in the mail and scanned in
Photoshop, sized to 72dpi, 7 inches wide and added very slight enhancement in a few
for more clarity
. The aerial object is rotating through the sequence of images.


So, the odd blue borders and intensity modulations pointed out by Bakosawa may have been introduced by the person who did the enhancements. Do we know if these enhancements were also done to the recently released High Res image? Also, unless someone knows differently, the High Res images and Low Res images originate from the same printed photographs. The color artifacts may have been introduced by the method the originals were printed by Ty. Did Ty use a digital or film camera?


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Post by DrDil on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:06am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:01am, Nodnunk wrote:
Do we know if these enhancements were also done to the recently released High Res image? Also, unless someone knows differently, the High Res images and Low Res images originate from the same printed photographs. The color artifacts may have been introduced by the method the originals were printed by Ty. Did Ty use a digital or film camera?

THE TY/BIG BASIN DRONE SIGHTING

DATE OF POST – NAME OF REPORTER:
June 16th, 2007
Posted by, “Ty”

SIGHTING LOCATION:
Big Basin, California

POSTED AT:
Earthfiles URL: “http://earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment

NUMBER OF PHOTOGRAPHS - DATE PHOTOGRAPHED:
12 Photographs - June 5th, 2007

CAMERA TYPE - ARE IMAGES SCANS?
Unknown – Linda Moulton Howe received prints then scanned them.

DRONE / CRAFT TYPE:The, “Ty/Big Basin” Drone identical to the “Stephen/Big Basin” i.e. craft had five arms, one of the arms was significantly longer than the others. It also had five rings as well as the new elements and protrusions visible on the, “Stephen/Big Basin” Drone.
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Post by LangLee on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:09am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 08:33am, Nodnunk wrote:
I was thinking about the tag line Starsigndavid attaches to his posts:

Only by arrogance and ignorance does Man believe He is alone in the Cosmos.

May I offer the following thoughts. According to our own home grown Earthside astrophysics, it has been 13.7 billion years since the Big Bang.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe

Our Sun and the solar system were formed about 4.6 billion years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_system#Formation

We humans (Homo sapiens) have been around only about 200,000 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution

The time from the Big Bang until the formation of our Sun was about 9.1 billion years. Just about twice the 4.6 billion years it took the Earth to evolve to the present day. What kinds evolution could have been happening elsewhere during those 9 billion years, before our Sun even formed? Then add to that the 4.6 billion minus 200,000 years to reach the dawn of Man as we know him. Lots of time for several early technological civilizations to colonize the galaxy. The conclusion of this exercise is to realize that ET's may be more than a few thousand years ahead of us techonolgically, they may be billions of years ahead.


And to think that all of that is lost with Buzz Aldrin. his parting words were so...........useless coming from someone that has looked out at the Stars.....back in time.
On the Galactic level we're in diapers
That's why the Tolan didn't want to give us weapons........oh, that's not real LOL.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:09am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:01am, LangLee wrote:
Their world is filled with fear and paranoia of something bigger than of all of us, that we are not the only and all powerful beings in the Universe that our spiritual leaders have led them to believe.
Fear is the mindkiller

So are you implying that everyone who doesn’t believe in UFO’s is religious?

EDIT: Just ignore that, I realised you said OUR religious leaders, I thought you meant theirs.
smiley
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Post by onthefence55 on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:14am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:20am, B J Booth wrote:
[color=orange]The new high resolution picture of this object has some unusual "fixes". I have attached a greyscale negative image of the second picture. Notice the ligher grey areas in the picture that don't show up in the normal image. They suggest that a clone brush has been used to paint out areas of the picture.

If the picture was unretouched, none of that would appear. I think if there is any evidence of retouching, the picture is suspect.

Dave


Dave, please come on the forum and explain better. I see no gray that does not belong. Please highlight the exact areas that you are questioning.

Please teach us about your clone brush detection method, because I cannot see how comparing the picture to itself indicates tampering.

You have simply changed the contrast by inverting the color. Since the entire shot is overexposed -- it is difficult to see differences in the bright areas using your eyes, so it is necessary to adjust some levels. And, changing the contrast may show something upon closer examination, but I cannot see that in the huge picture you submitted, you'll have to zoom in for me to see that.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:21am

OTF, I always thought when looking at the original (lo-res) Big Basin pictures that this strut (for want of a better word) was actually on the top of the main paddle, but since the release of the hi-res version it appears that it’s on the side and may not even be attached to the paddle but rather the main ring.

(The lo-res is top image.)
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I also believe that it’s exclusive to the Big Basin images and can’t figure out its actual position or even hazard a guess at a possible use.

And here’s another one, maybes this is to hold the two smaller rings in place? But if that was the case then why are the sections that link the much larger rings a great deal smaller than this.

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After looking at the image for quite a while I still can’t discern if it has nothing to do with the two smaller rings, or if is it attached to the outer of the small rings or both of them?

Any suggestions?

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by WT on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:21am

Nice new resolution Photo! I don't have time to read all your discussions here but I noticed that the EXIF-Date of that new image is 06/22/2007 7:22:32, though. When did she scan it?

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:27am



Incidentally I wholeheartedly agree with expressing caution regarding the, “Drone” images. [/quote]

I find the Big Basin image very interesting, I'd really like to see it as she recieved it if this isn't it. I'm not saying this was tampered with, I remember someone saying that LMH "enhanced" for lack of a better term, for display on the site or something to that effect.
Personally I think the Rajman photos say so much more. Granted the parts don't exactly match anything in the CARET docs, but the design is there.
I would think you'd have to land the craft for maintenence, one would be easier than the other, unless you "Space Dock" the Big Basin or flip it over and land it on the spires.
If the Capitola Craft gives you a headache, the Big Basin may make it explode.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:34am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:06am, bakosawa wrote:
Here is another look...These vertical lines are through out the photo in places along edges... I love the panda collection too.


Bakosawa, I am so surprised that you didn't notice that your panda was being head butted by a goat.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:34am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:27am, LangLee wrote:
Personally I think the Rajman photos say so much more. Granted the parts don't exactly match anything in the CARET docs, but the design is there.

I agree with you, I’ve alluded to a similar fact that if the Isaac documentation was a panicked governments attempt at dis-info, then it certainly done its job!!

LMH stated that the images were, “Scanned in Photoshop, sized to 72dpi, 7 inches wide and added very slight enhancement in a few for more clarity.”

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Post by leviathan6 on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:41am

I work with the following: Cinema 4D, Carrara 5, Blender, on and on. This is not correct, simply not correct. I am tired of this BS. AS on OMF, salad comes first and then his entourage. As long as new info that I can use comes in here, I will lurk, but you will always have CG school know-it-alls. They physically tire me and it is not worth the effort. PHOTOSHOP is not the answer to the universe and I use THE GIMP. I will use the info I gather here and elsewhere if you people can not see it, then it is obvious I can not show it. I retire from this stupid, ignorant CG debate ad nauseum.
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Post by LangLee on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:46am

on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:09am, DrDil wrote:
So are you implying that everyone who doesn’t believe in UFO’s is religious?

EDIT: Just ignore that, I realised you said OUR religious leaders, I thought you meant theirs.
smiley


I would never say something like that, my Mother would slap me silly lol. In 1966 my Parents and 2 other couples in seperate cars were buzzed by a UFO as I listened on the CB radio. You should'a seen her blast into the house to call the Cops, it's funny now, but at that time no so.
She goes to Church every Sunday.
To me they are related and inseparatable, so it is stated thoughout all cultures thoughout the years on Earth.
But things of Purity become tainted and twisted though the years by the power hungry and controlling.
I do not criticize religion, just those that hide what doesn't meet their needs instead of giving all information and letting us sort it out for ourselves.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:05pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:41am, leviathan6 wrote:
I work with the following: Cinema 4D, Carrara 5, Blender, on and on. This is not correct, simply not correct. I am tired of this BS. AS on OMF, salad comes first and then his entourage. As long as new info that I can use comes in here, I will lurk, but you will always have CG school know-it-alls. They physically tire me and it is not worth the effort. PHOTOSHOP is not the answer to the universe and I use THE GIMP. I will use the info I gather here and elsewhere if you people can not see it, then it is obvious I can not show it. I retire from this stupid, ignorant CG debate ad nauseum.


You sound like I feel. I'm tired of hit and runs as much as the next guy. Now we have an individual (Dave) who (instead of coming in here and posting the negative himself) has the webmaster posting it for him. Well, we need his account but will we ever hear from him? Meanwhile, what do we have - nothing more essentially except another skeptic who presented a picture and was not here to back up his words regarding the picture.


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Post by DrDil on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:07pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:05pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Meanwhile, what do we have - nothing more essentially except another skeptic who presented a picture and was not here to back up his words regarding the picture.

Yep, I think the collective sigh was almost audible when BJ posted the image. I personally read it 4 or 5 times before replying, just in case!!
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:15pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:07pm, DrDil wrote:
Yep, I think the collective sigh was almost audible when BJ posted the image. I personally read it 4 or 5 times before replying, just in case!!

So that you all understand how these kinds of things transpose, I'm going to do the unthinkable and relay an email response I received from BJ along with my original email to him.

This is like totally not kosher so don't tell on me. lol grin I just feel the need to defend BJ in all of this is all.

Quote:
In a message dated 7/21/2007 10:32:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, writes:
I hope you don't mind, I put the actual picture in your post so that they can compare them side by side. I really don't see what he means. I wish he was more explicit on the areas he was talking about.


Quote:
Sure, that's fine, I really don't understand it either.
B J


I didn't mean you DrDil because you already knew so I edited my post above.



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Post by jugement on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:22pm

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:34pm, urantia606 wrote:
ATO:

That's a great list and is reasonable but you left one out.

5. The Believer. His or her mind is made up based on the evidence they see and that has been presented.
I am in favor of the fifth.thank you grin
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Post by onthefence55 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:30pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:21am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
OnTheFence, if you decide to do something similar to this, please do so because this is not my forte'.


Like other have already said, I'm tired of wasting my time on hit-n-runners. The ball is in Dave's court now. Hopefully he'll respond to BJ by signing on here.

In the meantime I'll examine the possibilities of this being real.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:30pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:21am, WT wrote:
Nice new resolution Photo! I don't have time to read all your discussions here but I noticed that the EXIF-Date of that new image is 06/22/2007 7:22:32, though. When did she scan it?


Only LMH can answer that. What I can tell you is she received 12 4x6 color prints on 6-16. This from her report date 6-17:
Quote:
Here are the twelve printed photographs I received in the mail and scanned in Photoshop, sized to 72dpi, 7 inches wide and added very slight enhancement in a few for more clarity.

The package was snail mailed to her on 6-11 about the sighting which occured 6-5.

I'm not a photo expert so my question is concerning the recently released hi res pic:

Is it possible for this large hi res pic to be made from a 4x6 color print?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:31pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:34am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Bakosawa, I am so surprised that you didn't notice that your panda was being head butted by a goat.


If Barney is on the next set I suggest we discuss the Rajman pics. They don't get any better than that.
In this "shell game" I think that the focus is misdirected on the wrong shell, BB poses many questions, it's complexity causes one to focus on it, much like Kelly Bundy and a shiny nickel, or Chroming an engine doesn't make it go faster.
Rajman deal seems purpose built, not that I have any idea what it does, it just seems to be constructed to do what it does, without dressing up with jewelry.
It gives ME the feeling that if I was standing on that pole I could almost touch the thing. if it isn't the real deal no biggie, ya got me, I've had females do worse to me. (All are NOT bad, I didn't want to start anything that seemed sexist).
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:32pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 08:33am, Nodnunk wrote:
I was thinking about the tag line Starsigndavid attaches to his posts:

Only by arrogance and ignorance does Man believe He is alone in the Cosmos.

May I offer the following thoughts. According to our own home grown Earthside astrophysics, it has been 13.7 billion years since the Big Bang.

We humans (Homo sapiens) have been around only about 200,000 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution
The conclusion of this exercise is to realize that ET's may be more than a few thousand years ahead of us techonolgically, they may be billions of years ahead.



Thank you for that most welcome and important addition. There is much to ponder in those scientific facts! smiley
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by starsigndavid on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:35pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 08:58am, benzjie wrote:
even if they are "only" 3000 years ahead ( which is less then the blink of an eye on the cosmic timescale ) they are lightyears ahead technology wise.....just look at what mankind has cooked up in the past 120 years.

( sidestep) I believe that mankind, or other intelligent races, have been on earth before. If you look at the impossible artefacts found it is possible that intelligent life gets wiped out every 150.000 years ( iceages). Is it possible that one or more of those races advanced far enough to escape earth and his iceage and is coming"home"every now and then ?


You make an excellent point, and one which I believe many of us have pondered. As time goes by, I begin to increasingly feel that we may even now be sharing our planet with other parallel-evolved, but slightly different species. I am very curious indeed about what lays at depths we cannot explore.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:40pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:22pm, jugement wrote:
I am in favor of the fifth.thank you grin


Well, I'm adding a 6th and a 7th.

#6. A hit and run
#7. A ragger

grin grin grin
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:44pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:31pm, LangLee wrote:
I suggest we discuss the Rajman pics. They don't get any better than that.


Go for it LangLee. We could use a drone change.

Here's your weapon. You can use the pictures as is since they have Casebook addresses on them.

Capitola - May 15, 2007 - by Rajman and other witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html

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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:53pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:40pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Well, I'm adding a 6th and a 7th.

#6. A hit and run
#7. A ragger

grin grin grin


ATO:

Excellent additions! Did you mean Rager or Ragger?
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by HopefulSkeptic on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:54pm

I have a few points I'd like to touch on.

First, I think BigThinker may be onto something about fractals. On a side note, many crop circles are fractals...and possible links to crop circles and drones have been discussed before.

Fractals are graphical representations of mathematical formulas. So maybe there are mathematical formulas embedded within each linguistic. And the formulas might somehow interact or inter-relate to each other to form a bigger part of the greater whole. But math isn't my forte, so if this hypothesis is pointing in the direction of an answer to the mystery, it would surely remain one if it were up to me.

Second, I think Latitude touched on something when he told the account of his four friends, two of them women, and their refusal and rejection of the drone/Isaac photos.

This account made me wonder about how capable we are to handle reality, whatever it may be.

We give babies and children an artificial environment where everyone loves them, everyone is happy, and their needs are catered to. We try our best to shield them from reality. Because reality is harsh, and its beyond what babies and children can grasp and handle.

Adults are much more capable of handling reality. Though many times we choose not to deal with it. For example, I wouldn't want see what a person looks like after having been run over by an 18-wheeler. Yes, unfortunately things like this does happen, but I'd prefer not to be exposed to that much reality. Maybe coroners and medical examiners can handle it, but the average person can't. It would leave scars.

If we could take a dozen people from 2,000 years ago and bring them to our present time....maybe half of them would be amazed and thrilled by our world today. And the rest would probably go insane.

So this leads us to the question of.....what if the drones are reality? What if Isaac's information is reality? What if a higher form of life exists and regularly visit this planet? (with all respect to the abductees on this board.)

Half the human population would probably be amazed and thrilled. But who's going to deal with the certain percentage of people who have mental meltdowns?

And to go a step further....whatever their intentions are, we're powerless against them. If they're here to deceive, plunder, take over, or all the above -- we're powerless to stop them.

Will full disclosure also bring them here to rub elbows with us so they can begin whatever their intentions are?

If we were to discover a less-evolved intelligent race of beings on the moon, for example, well it would be nice. Would we contact them as saviors and shower them with all our knowledge and technology to help them in any way possible? Or would we observe them from afar and try to decide how best to exploit them for our own benefit?

In a way, this has already happened. Look at what the Spanish did the the Mayans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_conquest_of_Yucat%C3%A1n#First_encounters_.281511.29

We can also use this historical account as an example of how to predict how we'd interact with lesser "moon people", or how higher aliens might come here and interact with us. From this account, it wasn't all good.

Ok enough rambling for today. Thanks for reading.

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:59pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:44pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Go for it LangLee. We could use a drone change.

Here's your weapon. You can use the pictures as is since they have Casebook addresses on them.

Capitola - May 15, 2007 - by Rajman and other witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html

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I've looked at those over and over, they say too good to be true. But they also say that he's see's it, takes pics as it's moving, changing direction, he chases it down. He shoots a shot with a stationary object of KNOWN DIMENSIONS in it.
It ticks me off when I hear/read "fuzzy photo" or "blurry object of unknown dimensions".
If "those" guys are lurking I'm sure I'll hear it's CGI or a model, okay....don't sing it, bring it, duplicate it so no one can tell the difference whether in CGI or a model.
Bring it right down to the engraving on the smaller arms. I've seen the CGI's ....all shape and no detail, they are for lack of a better term "flat".
Rajman may be "The One", and BB was put there to divert attention from it.
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Andyp on Jul 21st, 2007, 1:04pm

I think Some religions not all of them will flip out. There might even be millions of riots world wide from disclosure. Hell there's riots over sport events. Who knows want kind of chain reaction could ignite from disclosure. Info would have to be released slowly like a trickling spout. Instead of in your face major info over load. Maybe even the stock market might plummet. I would probably call off work because of all the news I'd be watching. laugh
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 1:13pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:53pm, urantia606 wrote:
ATO:

Excellent additions! Did you mean Rager or Ragger?


As in, one that rags continually in a scolding manner. Ragged is defined so I was assuming that ragger was the correct spelling. I found it funny that a synonym for rag means torment. lol grin Isn't that the truth.
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Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 21st, 2007, 1:15pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 12:54pm, HopefulSkeptic wrote:
I have a few points I'd like to touch on.

First, I think BigThinker may be onto something about fractals. On a side note, many crop circles are fractals...and possible links to crop circles and drones have been discussed before.


Ok enough rambling for today. Thanks for reading.


Thousands of ufo sightings, over 5, 000 crop circles, now the Drones. If people aren't ready...tough.

Giving birth to a baby is a tough bloody business.

I've been through open heart surgery. The reality of UFOs is easy compared to that.

Talk about reality. The war in Iraq is a grotesque nightmare of reality.

Even this forum is a type of reality. ATO is correct, the forum members are on the inside track of this revelation, all the rest are the passive audience.

The second that A-bomb went off in 1945 it sent a huge signal to the rest of the universe that planet earth had arrived !

It way too late to put the paste back into the tube.


Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 21st, 2007, 1:16pm

on Jul 21st, 2007, 1:04pm, Andyp wrote:
I think Some religions not all of them will flip out. There might even be millions of riots world wide from disclosure. Hell there's riots over sport events. Who knows want kind of chain reaction could ignite from disclosure. Info would have to be released slowly like a trickling spout. Instead of in your face major info over load. Maybe even the stock market might plummet. I would probably call off work because of all the news I'd be watching. laugh


You wouldn't be watching the news. The news would be a very disinteresting subject based on the other channels that came out of no where and are found to have absolutely no affiliation with any television station on earth.
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