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#4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH
Post by oljack666 on Jul 24th, 2007, 8:06pm

THE DRONE ENIGMA:
A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH


PREVIOUS DRONE ACCOUNTS

Chronological Order


Unknown location - June 29, 2007 - by Anonymous
http://www.ufocasebook.com/anonymousstrangecraft.html

Palo Alto, CA - June 26, 2007 – Isaac
Whistle blowing report with pictures, linguistic primers and reports from
previous employment with PACL (Palo Alto CARET Laboratory)
CARET (Commercial Applications Research for Extra-terrestrial Technology)
http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

Near Maxwell AFB - June 25, 2007 - Ted Connors.
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode19mp3.html
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1279&category=Environment

Round Hill - June 19, 2007 - Dawn Raimond
http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20070706/REGION/107060071

Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Ty and other witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment

Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Stephen and other witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

Capitola - May 15, 2007 - by Rajman and other witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html

Bakersfield California – May 6, 2007 - Chad and multiple witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftphotos.html

Lake Tahoe - May 5, 2007 - Anonymous husband and wife
http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftlaketahoe.html

Yosemite National Park - June 10, 2006 - Three witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1265&category=Environment
http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneYosemiteSketches052307x.jpg

Birmingham Alabama - May 2006 - John Smith
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1253&category=Environment

Northridge, CA - May 2006 – Robert Mariotti
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode18mp3.html

Sequoia National Forest - May 25th, 2005 - Shirley
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/mp3files/highbandwidth/episode17high.mp3
http://www.ufocasebook.com/lettersstrangecraft.html

Sitgreaves National Forest, Arizona - October 1995, Ned White
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1275&category=Environment

Barksdale AFB, Louisiana - 1987 Airshow - Anonymous witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1258&category=Environment
http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html




Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by drewlac on Jul 24th, 2007, 8:20pm

whoohoo... 1st post grin
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 24th, 2007, 8:31pm

on Jul 24th, 2007, 3:17pm, RoH wrote:
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RoH -- thanks so much for your find here. that is great that you found that fractal imaging software. I will be interested to see if you can do one of the whole big basin craft... and do one of some of the items on the "arms" of big basin.

I see here in this photo that this is the larger circle in the linguistics primer on the panels on Big Basin drone. Correct? I am glad you enlarged this because I kept thinking that symbol doesn't match the large symbol on Isaac's linguistics primer pages. I wonder why? this looks more like a V -- on the linguistics primer the center of the large circle had two symbols. Anyone else see what I am talking about?
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 24th, 2007, 10:26pm

Roh wrote:
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You are right, it doesn't match the large symbols on Isaac's linguistics primer page. I think this is the symbol:

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Just turn it a litle...

You see, there is more work to do grin


you are right... Roh... it does look like that symbol. Thanks for the response in PM... I went ahead and posted it here.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 24th, 2007, 10:44pm

now what new evidence do we have about the invisable capiblities,that the drone has?
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 05:35am

The drone's mothership? Why isn't there ever a fathership?

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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 25th, 2007, 08:46am

The weirdest thing to me is that last year i started reading about the Mayan calendar and saw that Nov 2006-Nov 2007 it was noted that mankind would "meet it's galactic neighbors"

Now to see all of this Drone stuff happening and the escalation of sightings and crop circles in the UK has me cry
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 08:54am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 05:35am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
The drone's mothership? Why isn't there ever a fathership?

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it will not be natural, only femals have babys.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 08:59am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 08:46am, pvtjoker75 wrote:
The weirdest thing to me is that last year i started reading about the Mayan calendar and saw that Nov 2006-Nov 2007 it was noted that mankind would "meet it's galactic neighbors"

Now to see all of this Drone stuff happening and the escalation of sightings and crop circles in the UK has me cry
no need to cry, it realy is the time for it,if it was not written, check the earth out ,it would had, had to a happen any way naturaly. every thing constantly changes a known fact.nothing or no- thing never remains the same cool
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 25th, 2007, 09:07am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 08:59am, jugement wrote:
no need to cry, it realy is the time for it,if it was not written, check the earth out ,it would had, had to a happen any way naturaly. every thing constantly changes a known fact.nothing or no- thing never remains the same cool


It's just weird how it's all playing out. The crop circle discussion on earthfiles.com about the newest ones in england and all of the sightings and military activity over the field is also disconcerting
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 09:15am

ONE MORE THING BEFORE I GO FOR A MOMENT> LAST NITE IN BED WHILE ON MY WAY TO SLEEP SOMETHING WOULD NOT LET ME SLEEP>WE all speculated that ISAAC And many others were probably reading what we were saying about the drone enigma and were present at the forum under some other name. Finally it came to me that there were more engineers on board than any one else. The reason being was that their was a lot of anger on board if the subject took a recess, about the driver (ET). the drones enigma the sender (ET)back engerneered BY (MAN, WOMAN).
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 25th, 2007, 09:47am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 05:35am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
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Hey - is that L. Ron Hubbard?! I *knew* he was behind all this!!
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 25th, 2007, 09:54am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 08:46am, pvtjoker75 wrote:
The weirdest thing to me is that last year i started reading about the Mayan calendar and saw that Nov 2006-Nov 2007 it was noted that mankind would "meet it's galactic neighbors"

Now to see all of this Drone stuff happening and the escalation of sightings and crop circles in the UK has me cry

Don't be sad PvtJoker. Be glad. I have to admit, there is a bad side of me that wants to see the general public soiling themselves. cheesy
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 25th, 2007, 10:07am

Although this may seem like a digression, stick with me for a minute here ....

It's pretty hard to separate the drone phenomenon from some of the other activity we're witnessing - crop circles, strange lights, new craft types, the renewed interest in things such as the Mayan calendar - as pvtjoker75 said, it gives us pause to reflect.

But, it also gives us hope. ATO mentioned synchronicity earlier in the thread
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity . this is very important. I believe that we really are approaching an important point in our evolution, after all, it's been awhile since we look that last big leap! The very fact that these things have been rotated from the back to the front burner (at least for many of us) indicates to me that we're ready to start dealing with it. Although not everyone will study these things with the kind of depth that we do here, at least it has to be acknowledged. Pretty hard not to with all of the UFO shows on TV and the ecological and social upheaval in the world! So, the hope I spoke of is the hope that something greater than us has a hand in the way things are unfolding. Something that wants us to move forward as a species, something that is concerned that unless we smarten up we may not have a place in which to evolve. You can call this force whatever you're comfortable with. If you're anything like me, that may even change throughout your life!

To be clear, though, just as I don't believe that ET is hostile (although like any species they're sure to have their share of creeps), I also don't see them as saviors - just harbingers of change. What we do with the things we learn from them is entirely up to us. For me, that might be the scariest part - what we do with it!

To examine the drones is both fascinating and necessary. To keep our eyes on the big picture is not only wise but critical. I honestly think the answer to this puzzle extends beyond the pages of the CARET documents. Way beyond.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 25th, 2007, 11:41am

Please humor me on this… this is probably wrong and I and sure there are a lot of good folks out there that can help me on this….

1. There seems to be something wrong with the shadows on the Anti-grav and curved I-beam photos.

The shadows are blue in color. Why would the shadows be blue in color? Not only are they blue, but blue shows up on the Ty photos for the “feelers” (on the top of the drone and in the ring thingies) and the sides of some objects. More mysteriously… they are the same hue of blue (around 149-150 as picked by Paintbrush).

What is odd about the connection… is that the shadows for the Anti-gav parts should a best be achromatic gray. Why would the shadows be blue? Why would they be the same hue as the blue areas on the Ty hi-res photo?

Why are the backgrounds on both photos white (where are the walls, table, corners or floor or any background detail if this is “lab” photo)? The RBG values are at 255 except for the added blue "shadowing."

2. I have a theory… Ty = Isaac.

Any suggestions to help me disprove this?
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 11:58am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 08:46am, pvtjoker75 wrote:
Now to see all of this Drone stuff happening and the escalation of sightings and crop circles in the UK has me cry


on Jul 25th, 2007, 11:55am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
There are worse things pvtjoker75.

In 1995, millions were glued to their television sets watching the Simpson trial, many not wanting to miss a second of this commercial free Court room drama. From June 22, 1994 until October 2, 1995 they sat completely engrossed in what had happened to Ronald Goldman and Nicole Simpson.

438 days later, on October 3, 1995, after the verdict of not guilty is announced, O.J. Simpson is set free.

There was a mixed set of emotions that the viewer was experiencing from the verdict and of course had to deal with. What they couldn't do was deal with tomorrow, because for 438 days the viewers were sitting on their sofas watching the world go by. On October 4th, they sat there not knowing what to do with themselves because their previous routine was taken away from them. The only thing they had to look forward to were the civil lawsuits from the families against Simpson, which were another year and a half away.

I mention the above because the drone situation will shortly come to a lull and then cease completely. Unless a new drone comes into the picture, Isaac releases more information or one of the witnesses comes forward, this thread and the previous 3 will become unpinned and fall to page two.

I've gone through many of these highs and lows over the years. Our last big high came about a month before the release of Peter Jennings, two hour "Seeing is Believing" ABC Special and this continued for about a week after the show aired with all the various comments on how Jennings didn't show what was actually scheduled to run.

Just so you know, when it happens, just remember what I said here and you'll remember that this it very typical of how such things happen. Essentially, everything that goes up, must come down, and it does.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:06pm

I agree ATO, there have been many "false alarms". In addition, peoples attention spans are notoriously short! But there are also many turning points throughout history, some we never saw coming, some we underestimated would have the impact that they did. The only thing that will put the drones in perspective will be hindsight. This could be something, or just another non event. I guess time, as it always does, will tell. Until then I think I'll just stay tuned wink!
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:08pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 11:41am, bakosawa wrote:
2. I have a theory… Ty = Isaac.

Any suggestions to help me disprove this?


Then who is Steven? How did Isaac get the picture of the damaged Raj drone part? How did Ty or Steven make their photos? How did Isaac dream up all of the documents including the Linguistics?

The blue in the Ty photos was already proved to be chromatic aberration mixed with a little CCD/CMOS Bloom.

The blue in the Isaac research photos is because the light box used fluorescent lights.

If you think this could be a hoax, you gotta lotta splainin' to do Lucy! wink
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:17pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 11:41am, bakosawa wrote:
2. I have a theory… Ty = Isaac.

Any suggestions to help me disprove this?


Estimating Isaac's age at 35 in 1984, based upon a guess as to how many years he spent in graduate school, post grad, and work experience before PACL. In 2007 he would be 58. Is that too old to mountain bike through Big Basin? Ty sounds like a much younger man.

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:19pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:06pm, MarkM wrote:
I agree ATO, there have been many "false alarms". In addition, peoples attention spans are notoriously short! But there are also many turning points throughout history, some we never saw coming, some we underestimated would have the impact that they did. The only thing that will put the drones in perspective will be hindsight. This could be something, or just another non event. I guess time, as it always does, will tell. Until then I think I'll just stay tuned wink!


Yep, this we know. And, all of these threads will forever remain here in the forum and on the Internet, which is our archive for said events, when and if greater things occur. At such time, we will be proud of our thoughts and ideas that will now become history, literal history.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:26pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:17pm, Nodnunk wrote:
Estimating Isaac's age at 35 in 1984, based upon a guess as to how many years he spent in graduate school, post grad, and work experience before PACL. In 2007 he would be 58. Is that too old to mountain bike through Big Basin? Ty sounds like a much younger man.



However the years for his work previous to PACL is not accounted for.

I was thinking just now that he has associated working for the both the DoD and PACL so that would narrow down the field if they were to try and locate him.

Either that or a good number of PACL people were DoD as well - a very large number or he would not have mentioned the DoD.

We should sometime try and figure out, based on Isaac's information, what kind of job he would have been doing for the DoD. And if he was in the vicinity of Palo Alto, he could have been previously working at Ames Research, Lockheed or Livermore Laboratory since they all house the DoD as well.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:27pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:19pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Yep, this we know. And, all of these threads will forever remain here in the forum and on the Internet, which is our archive for said events, when and if greater things occur. At such time, we will be proud of our thoughts and ideas that will now become history, literal history.
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All of these threads are currently being copied by various internet companies that do nothing but make copies of these websites.

Stand by to be in the history books!
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by sickmindfraud on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:32pm

For the beating a dead horse dept.




As a side note, there was this new night time sighting in the UK

UFO sightings bring town to a standstill

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=470579&in_page_id=1770

Complete with video

so here we have a small town, at night, and everyone is in an uproar over the sighting.

This is important in contrast to the Capitola sighting where

Not a very important point on its own, but important for comparison
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:32pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:27pm, urantia606 wrote:
All of these threads are currently being copied by various internet companies that do nothing but make copies of these websites.

Stand by to be in the history books!


I don't mean that kind of history. I mean the kind that showed an attention to the subject previous to it's discovery.

Hypothetical: An admission by government is made that aliens are in our atmosphere, drones are alien of nature and yes, the ones we talked about are theirs, etc. Something of that nature.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:38pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 11:25am, urantia606 wrote:
I have been reading the several PACL websites on their inventions. You have to make some assumptions but when you compare Issacs letter to the PACL docs, PACL White Papers, PACL Tech papers, PACL ads, I can see that alien technology has and is part of our lives and we don't even realize it.

The PACL technology has a lot to do with substrates that are embedded with electrically charged particles that react to various types of electronic frequencies that activate the messages in the substrates.

The technology uses many types of alphabets, fonts, pictures, and dot patterns that are many layers deep with complexities. etc . Much of the information is hidden within these 'writings'and 'glyphs' as they call them. Their White Papers go on for hundreds of pages that explain how this is done.

Of course PACL never says that their inventions come from alien technology but it is easy for those of us who have studied the connection to see it.

Now don't ya'll jump on me, the above is just my opinion.

good opion on point; you know your opion is why I have a very hard time leaving (ET)out of any topic yet some get mad when the subject comes up. dont you all remember ET sent the drones/ufos, did they not?besides as good as the pictures of the drones are they are not ufos now they have become ifos identified fling objects correct.

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:39pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:32pm, sickmindfraud wrote:
For the beating a dead horse dept.
  • the sighting was in broad daylight
  • The object was much more spectacular.
  • no one in the town saw anything.
  • no one reported it to the Chief of Police, no phone calls or anything.
Not a very important point on its own, but important for comparison


Ufologists in the know realize that the UK is infamous for lanterns so I don't imagine much will come from this. Such things have happened in the UK previously - and more then once.

Quote:
Wedding lanterns spark UFO scare

How the lanterns would have looked as they floated above Leez Priory
A mystery surrounding the strange spectacle of bright lights reported in the Essex night sky has been solved.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:48pm

I was looking at these:
Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Ty and other witnesses
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment

Big Basin - June 5, 2007 - by Stephen and other witnesses
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

and I got this FLASH!


I live very near where these puppies have been sighted -- too close for comfort actually, to tell you the truth.

Since these ships have been sighted, there have been absolutely NO chemtrails any longer. Our skies used to be coated and covered and smeared and choked.

Not since these ships showed up, physically.

NOTICE: In every single photo of these drones, the sky is pale blue or milky-white, CHEMTRAILED.

I will bet you -- that HAARP shorts out their cloaking circuits!

And the Feds don't want them to be SEEN. And so, chemtrails are now discontinued over, where they have been sighted.

Can anybody verify this?

That's what I bet is going on.

Chai



Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:48pm

Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T Reply #1379 on: Today at 10:05:09 » (bakosawa)

Not sure about the blue, but the white light topic has been raised before, a lightbox perhaps?
Obviously not a homemade one like this, but same principle maybes.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:51pm

hi all; here is something ealse that has been on my mind with the sitings of the drones.those people that are working on the fling car. I am prety sure those drone pitures, ufos has given them a brand new idea. what do any one think
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by brm1 on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:53pm

From the other thread.

Was there a discussion about these two being the exact same piece, I think it is -- if I missed the discussion I apologize.

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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:05pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:08pm, Latitude wrote:
The blue in the Ty photos was already proved to be chromatic aberration mixed with a little CCD/CMOS Bloom.
The blue in the Isaac research photos is because the light box used fluorescent lights.
wink

Right, I've search "object" on Fotolia and if most of the shadows are greys, a few are blue. I don't know why but it's possible.
click here to see an example
You can go on searching a way to prove us the drones are fake!
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:06pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:08pm, Latitude wrote:
Then who is Steven? How did Isaac get the picture of the damaged Raj drone part? How did Ty or Steven make their photos? How did Isaac dream up all of the documents including the Linguistics?

The blue in the Ty photos was already proved to be chromatic aberration mixed with a little CCD/CMOS Bloom.

The blue in the Isaac research photos is because the light box used fluorescent lights.

If you think this could be a hoax, you gotta lotta splainin' to do Lucy! wink


Explain a little about this "light box"… the model number, light source used… internal dimensions, the internal color of the box and so on.

There needs to be some explaining if the inside of this box is coated white (all light boxes are coated a natural gray for color viewing), and that it has infinite size (you can see no corners for walls or the floor). Hmmm, where can I get one?

Light boxes have direct overhead lighting… both photos of the curved I-beams are casting deep low angle (all most horizontal) “shadows” to the left. These photos were not taken in a light box. There is no way to explain the super bright white everywhere else.

A little chromatic aberration mixed with a little CCD/CMOS Bloom, which happen to be at the same wavelengths of blue in both the Ty photos and Isaac photos... did the explanation rule out "photoshoping" the photo?

You are right Ricky, somebody has some splainin to do.






Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:13pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:53pm, brm1 wrote:
From the other thread.

Was there a discussion about these two being the exact same piece, I think it is -- if I missed the discussion I apologize.

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Observation: Probably does not mean a thing, but the BB photo is taken from below, while Isaac's inventory shot is taken from above, yet both show the same side of the ring. I would think that for an inventory shot, the ring would be placed on the ground with the top side up, rather than upside down. Could it be that the correct orientation of the ring was not known? There are probably other reasons why it may be shown upside down, but it seems pecular to me.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DarkSky on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:15pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 11:25am, urantia606 wrote:
I have been reading the several PACL websites on their inventions. You have to make some assumptions but when you compare Issacs letter to the PACL docs, PACL White Papers, PACL Tech papers, PACL ads, I can see that alien technology has and is part of our lives and we don't even realize it.

The PACL technology has a lot to do with substrates that are embedded with electrically charged particles that react to various types of electronic frequencies that activate the messages in the substrates.

The technology uses many types of alphabets, fonts, pictures, and dot patterns that are many layers deep with complexities. etc . Much of the information is hidden within these 'writings'and 'glyphs' as they call them. Their White Papers go on for hundreds of pages that explain how this is done.

Of course PACL never says that their inventions come from alien technology but it is easy for those of us who have studied the connection to see it.

Now don't ya'll jump on me, the above is just my opinion.



Did you actually find a PACL website? Or are you referring to the UFO websites that talk about PACL? Or maybe you are talking about XPARC?

I haven't been able to find a PACL website, can you share a LINK with me/us?

Thanks,
DarkSky
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by brm1 on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:18pm

The more I look at them the more they look alike -- even to the cameras POV
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:20pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:19pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Yep, this we know. And, all of these threads will forever remain here in the forum and on the Internet, which is our archive for said events, when and if greater things occur. At such time, we will be proud of our thoughts and ideas that will now become history, literal history.
.


ATO...this is the most honest reply I've ever seen here. I agree at fullest, most people haven't the gut's to do this! Thumbs up, ATO!

--VonStern
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:24pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:20pm, VonStern wrote:
ATO...this is the most honest reply I've ever seen here. I agree at fullest, most people haven't the gut's to do this! Thumbs up, ATO!

--VonStern
yes like the rock from mars,left in abox in a dusty room.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:25pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:48pm, DrDil wrote:
Re: #3 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T Reply #1379 on: Today at 10:05:09 » (bakosawa)

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To be honest.. I was thinking of a commercial light box (or light booth) to view color... embarassed

http://www.rpimaging.com/store/PID841

But using your example... I can still see the corners and a floor.

Then I am very interested in the fluorescent light source that was used to light a large area with enough lums to accomplish what we see in Isaac's photos... and the why the odd shadowing from the right to the left in the I-beam photos. I would assume as with any photography... one would use a light box to control or remove shadow... rolleyes


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A bit odd for shadowing or bloom (all of the other shadows are gray)... no background too.

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:32pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:25pm, bakosawa wrote:
To be honest.. I was thinking of a commercial light box (or light booth) to view color... embarassed

http://www.rpimaging.com/store/PID841

But using your example... I can still see the corners and a floor.

Then I am very interested in the fluorescent light source that was used to light a large area with enough lums to accomplish what we see in Isaac's photos... and the why the odd shadowing from the right to the left in the I-beam photos. I would assume as with any photography... one would use a light box to control or remove shadow... rolleyes


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A bit odd for shadowing... no background too.


It has to do with the equipment in hand...

You get what you pay for...we have to assume that Xerox and other facilities like that are using "State of the Art" .

But, if it can open our eyes to different sights...please continue your search.. grin

--VonStern
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Post by MarkM on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:34pm

On the matching rings - I think it's the same on both sides as the panels appear to overlap a track so that they are movable. Also, in the inventory shot one of these panels is broken and flipped back or positioned under the ring. In the picture posted here which is flipped, that would be on your bottom right. I thought at one time that these were papers of some sort (which would indicate size), but then was shown that isn't the case and agreed.

My light box is a large sheet of white plexiglass about 1/4" thick. It's large enough so that something can be photographed without edges. When my father photographed various things in the lab, years ago, he actually put the items on a sheet of some sort. Actually, the CARET phoos are very reminiscent of those (obviously not the subject, rather the look). My issue is that they aren't shot from above, but rather to the side, so there should be a back edge of some sort. Of course, this could have been eradicated by adjusting the contrast so that a much "cleaner" picture was created.

Don't know if this helps any!
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:49pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:32pm, sickmindfraud wrote:
For the beating a dead horse dept.




As a side note, there was this new night time sighting in the UK

UFO sightings bring town to a standstill

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=470579&in_page_id=1770

Complete with video

so here we have a small town, at night, and everyone is in an uproar over the sighting.

This is important in contrast to the Capitola sighting where

  • the sighting was in broad daylight
  • The object was much more spectacular.
  • no one in the town saw anything.
  • no one reported it to the Chief of Police, no phone calls or anything.
Not a very important point on its own, but important for comparison


The drone flies low (about 50 feet off the ground). Because of that it cannot be seen by as many people. It could be less than a block away and never be seen.

The Chief of Capitola police was on record as a believer but was told to hand it over to the detectives (very suspicious) who summarily killed it.

SickMind, you tell me how Raj made the photos he took? They have stood up to cgi expert analysis for two months now. Why didn't his drone look like Chad's? If Raj is a hoaxer why did he upload all his highest res pics for OMF? Why did he register at OMF and answer so many questions? Why was his flickr account hacked?
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:52pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:48pm, Shechaiyah wrote:
I live very near where these puppies have been sighted -- too close for comfort actually, to tell you the truth.


Me too! I'm south of Sac. Where abouts are you?
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:56pm

I had to bring this to this new thread: /qoute/

Although this may seem like a digression, stick with me for a minute here ....

It's pretty hard to separate the drone phenomenon from some of the other activity we're witnessing - crop circles, strange lights, new craft types, the renewed interest in things such as the Mayan calendar - it gives us pause to reflect.

But, it also gives us hope. ATO mentioned synchronicity earlier in the thread http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity . this is very important. I believe that we really are approaching an important point in our evolution, after all, it's been awhile since we look that last big leap! The very fact that these things have been rotated from the back to the front burner (at least for many of us) indicates to me that we're ready to start dealing with it. Although not everyone will study these things with the kind of depth that we do here, at least it has to be acknowledged. Pretty hard not to with all of the UFO shows on TV and the ecological and social upheaval in the world! So, the hope I spoke of is the hope that something greater than us has a hand in the way things are unfolding. Something that wants us to move forward as a species, something that is concerned that unless we smarten up we may not have a place in which to evolve. You can call this force whatever you're comfortable with. If you're anything like me, that may even change throughout your life!

To be clear, though, just as I don't believe that ET is hostile (although like any species they're sure to have their share of creeps), I also don't see them as saviors - just harbingers of change. What we do with the things we learn from them is entirely up to us. For me, that might be the scariest part - what we do with it!

To examine the drones is both fascinating and necessary. To keep our eyes on the big picture is not only wise but critical. I honestly think the answer to this puzzle extends beyond the pages of the CARET documents. Way beyond.

All or part of this might be a hoax, although personally I think we've crossed the line in that being a possibility. It's a bit too complex, in my opinion. Whatever the outcome, the timing is interesting indeed - again, look at all of the activity, not just that generated by the drones.

/qoute/

This is the best wrote post, regarding this whole issue.

About what we hope for, Disclosure or Dismiss, this is what we are in for, nevertheless!

-VonStern


Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 25th, 2007, 2:00pm

To make it clear: I Was Qouting MarkM.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 25th, 2007, 2:24pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:25pm, bakosawa wrote:
To be honest.. I was thinking of a commercial light box (or light booth) to view color... embarassed

http://www.rpimaging.com/store/PID841

But using your example... I can still see the corners and a floor.

Then I am very interested in the fluorescent light source that was used to light a large area with enough lums to accomplish what we see in Isaac's photos... and the why the odd shadowing from the right to the left in the I-beam photos. I would assume as with any photography... one would use a light box to control or remove shadow... rolleyes


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A bit odd for shadowing or bloom (all of the other shadows are gray)... no background too.


Has anyone thought of examining these photo's?

As I see it, they only hold "writings" not "Scematics" like on the BB Big Ring?

They are probably only working parts, like the ones seen in earlier Photo's of the "arm" in the "Chad" Drones?

Just a new angle... grin

--VonStern
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nodnunk on Jul 25th, 2007, 2:57pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:34pm, MarkM wrote:
On the matching rings - I think it's the same on both sides as the panels appear to overlap a track so that they are movable. Also, in the inventory shot one of these panels is broken and flipped back or positioned under the ring. In the picture posted here which is flipped, that would be on your bottom right. I thought at one time that these were papers of some sort (which would indicate size), but then was shown that isn't the case and agreed.



I'll call the side of the ring we see as the bottom, the side we cannot see is the top. There are some asymmetrys to note.
There is one layer of notches or cogs around the inner part of the ring. The cogs are on the sky side or floor side of the ring. Closer to the camera are the thin flat arcs. So the ring is not symmetric top half to bottom half if cut through like a bagel. Also the spikes in the Ty photo are attached on the top, as is the "hitch" to the central castle shown on the left. I don't think the ring will look the same on the top side as on the side we see.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by brm1 on Jul 25th, 2007, 3:04pm

It appears to me that the asymmetries are the same on the new photo and on the 20 year old photos. Point for point

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 25th, 2007, 3:18pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:50pm, urantia606 wrote:
Has anyone noticed how those wedding lanterns seem to form a triangle at high altitude in the Earthfiles photo this morning? They stand still for a while and then they fly off at high speed. What the heck is going on here?

Not too good for the pub business as all the patrons went outside to look up at the night sky.

Just a guess but I wonder if it could have been a UFO.

Just sort of wondering what it could have been.

Who knows anything for sure these days.

If you look at the video, it sure is U F O. And what does the police says? It's nothing worth speaking about, it must be balloons or lanterns or flares, etc.
Why would Raj or Chad or Ty go to the police? To have their photos confiscated and to be explained they're hoaxers? For me, there are obvious reasons why they didn't go to the police.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 3:32pm

The following was posted in a thread that was moved to the Isaac thread so I find it necessary to move the balance to the Isaac thread.

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:57pm, Watchtheskies wrote:
The hoaxers who have made this very very good CGI photo library must be laughing so much right now. It's been proven CGI by **EXPERTS** the issac photos have shadows in places they shoulden't have and no shadows in places they should have. I don't see the point in following this anymore, milking everything out of it when there is nothing there.
It would be nice to believe these things are real, but unfortunately they are not. Also MUFON have looked at these and they say they are FAKE also.. hoaxers are obviously getting better at this, hence why you are still on the trail, but as UFO investors, we must also adapt to this, hoaxes are no longer "oh theres pixelation around that.. its fake" its getting more serious.

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The hoaxers who have made this very very good CGI photo library must be laughing so much right now.

We have seen no proof of that as of yet. We've seen CGI artists mock such with their own renditions, however nothing more then that.

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It's been proven CGI by **EXPERTS** the issac photos have shadows in places they shoulden't have and no shadows in places they should have.

Then why didn't you bring this proof in here with you?

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I don't see the point in following this anymore, milking everything out of it when there is nothing there.
It would be nice to believe these things are real, but unfortunately they are not.

Outside of say Chad, which is still debateable, the drones and Isaac are still theoretical so how can you say such.

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Also MUFON have looked at these and they say they are FAKE also.. hoaxers are obviously getting better at this, hence why you are still on the trail, but as UFO investors, we must also adapt to this, hoaxes are no longer "oh theres pixelation around that.. its fake" its getting more serious.

This is not true. First of all, the investigation and report of Mufon's was written on May 16th.

In this report, Mufon requested the assistance of two CGI people. Those two CGI people looked only at the Chad photos. They never commented on any of the other drones, nor did they comment on Isaac's information that he presented since it did not exist until June 26th. The Big Basin drones were not presented as well because even they hadn't existed for us until June 5th, also well beyond that date of May 16th.

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I had several trusted friends & experts in CGI (computer generated Images) examine these images, as well as the earlier Coast to Coast images. One examiner is Mr. Steve Neil who has and continues to do computer generated images for the History Channels television program 'UFO Files'. The other effects person is a Mr. Marc D' Antonio. He owns and operates a business in Connecticut named FX Models. http://www.fxmodels.com/

They are referring to the Chad images only. Both the ones they had in their possession, which they received from Coast to Coast via Chad and the same images posted directly onto the Coast to Coast website.

Absolutely nothing has been stated above for any of the images that followed Chad, let alone Isaac. As well, even the Tahoe images, which were presented before Chad weren't mentioned either. Those were the camera phone images. Certainly not CGI, very poor quality if it is.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:03pm

I don't see, why this "true/not true" about the pictures earlier, either delivered by "Chad" or anyone else for that matter needs to take up our time...as we have the BigBasin Hires from TY, that concludes ANY question whether or not this is true. The workings on this in the earlier thread (#3) allmost (and I say allmost, because this isn't a closed deal as of now) has delivered evidence, compared to the Scematics of "Isaac", that the mashinery of ET are working here, and the believing part are to be worked out, now this has come so close to a conclusion as there ever will be for Mankind.

Just to summarise: If, per say...something close to the "Linqustic Primer" Isaac provided, are to be seen on ANY Photo, taken by unwilling witnesses, are the same, or slightly off, then it might be proof a a hoax. If it turns out, that the "Scematics" on eyewitnesses Photo's are deviant from this, and worked on in zoomed areas, providing evidence, that the images of the "Primers" can be seen even in there, closes the object of hoax.

As stated before: Why?

Why would anyone go to the lenght of hoaxing pixels that deep in a Photo?

You tell me, 'cause I am sure blind, if this should be the issue here.

Why would this spread to Engineers, and the like, and even to Scientists, (they have to take time to figure this out, belive me) before coming in here, to tell their opinion.

No, we now face another state, that of a new way of looking into a new world.

It's entirely up to anyone to believe what comes to mind - and to realise, that the world have now changed.

--VonStern


Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:04pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:50pm, urantia606 wrote:
Has anyone noticed how those wedding lanterns seem to form a triangle at high altitude in the Earthfiles photo this morning? They stand still for a while and then they fly off at high speed. What the heck is going on here?

Not too good for the pub business as all the patrons went outside to look up at the night sky.

Just a guess but I wonder if it could have been a UFO.
Just sort of wondering what it could have been.
Who knows anything for sure these days.


I hadn't see the video. I had only seen it from BJs article. Just the same, I wish the one with the camera would have stayed where he was with the lights and stop panning like he did.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/stratford.html
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:12pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:03pm, VonStern wrote:
I don't see, why this "true/not true" about the pictures earlier, either delivered by "Chad" or anyone else for that matter needs to take up our time...as we have the BigBasin Hires from TY, that concludes ANY question whether or not this is true.


Wouldn't that be nice if we were to stop seeing the MUFON enactments? Sure it would but because they still continue, they must also be defined since there is an assumption made that all drones and Isaac have been rolled up into some neat ball based on MUFON's comment made way back in May.

We know this is not so but others are selling such. I'm just making sure that any new members who haven't finished reading all of the drone reports and Isaac understand that MUFON was only referring to Chad and that we still have difficulty with that since other CGI artists have denounced MUFON's two CGI artists.

Sometimes I find it necessary to make mention of things many of you are already privy to when there are more still coming into the forum that are not. I know I'm a pest when I have to do such things but they need to be repeated occasionally. lol grin
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:15pm

Is there a way to find a detailed version of the Mufon report? Is there a document where they precisely show in which picture and at which place exactly they see proof of fakery? What I've read so far wasn't detailed enough to understand what they meant and make up my mind.


Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:18pm

Ok, ATO grin

I wasn't picking at you anyway laugh

I know...just wanted to stirr the pot!

--VonStern
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:25pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:18pm, VonStern wrote:
Ok, ATU grinI wasn't picking at you anyway laughI know...just wanted to stirr the pot!
--VonStern


I didn't think you were. I just used your post to explain why I do some of the things I do is all. You should see my PM area. I can't show it to you obviously since it's private. However, it is what forces me sometimes to do certain things that look redundant or repetitive.

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by StayFocused on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:31pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:04pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I hadn't see the video. I had only seen it from BJs article. Just the same, I wish the one with the camera would have stayed where he was with the lights and stop panning like he did.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/stratford.html


Based on the video alone they do look like some Chinese lanterns hanging in the sky. I don't see where they fly about like some extra-terrestrial craft. The eyewitness comments are interesting but they never mention what happened to the lights after 30 minutes. Did they blink out? Did they fly into space at supersonic speed? Important information no?

Also, pardon my ignorance but I don't get why people think Disclosure is just around the corner. Maybe I'm just a pessimist but the ufo phenom has been going on for 60+ years now. I bet ufo dudes were thinking the same thing when they saw the MJ12 docs, the Phoenix lights, etc...

Those of you that are in contact with the aliens. What do they tell you? Can't you just say "Whassup Beeblebrox, when are you gonna stop dancing around in the sky like a bunch of fireflies and do something interesting?!"?



Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:34pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:31pm, StayFocused wrote:
Based on the video alone they do look like some Chinese lanterns hanging in the sky. I don't see where they fly about like some extra-terrestrial craft. The eyewitness comments are interesting but they never mention what happened to the lights after 30 minutes. Did they blink out? Did they fly into space at supersonic speed? Important information no?

Also, pardon my ignorance but I don't get why people think Disclosure is just around the corner. Maybe I'm just a pessimist but the ufo phenom has been going on for 60+ years now. I bet ufo dudes were thinking the same thing when they saw the MJ12 docs, the Phoenix lights, etc...

Those of you that are in contact with the aliens. What do they tell you? Can't you just say "Whassup Beeblebrox, when are you bitches gonna stop dancing around in the sky like a bunch of fireflies and do something interesting?!"?




Oh, no - You're in for the Big One here, as are the rest of the Planet....

--VonStern
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:50pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:31pm, StayFocused wrote:
Based on the video alone they do look like some Chinese lanterns hanging in the sky.


Taiwanese sky lanterns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpRMRM6VtKc

I thought I would post this since someone is bound to eventually.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by StayFocused on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:57pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:34pm, VonStern wrote:
Oh, no - You're in for the Big One here, as are the rest of the Planet....

--VonStern


Based on what information?

FYI - I don't fear disclosure. I want it to happen ASAP. There has to be countless other cultures in our Milky Way galaxy of 200 billion stars (that's a very big number). Then of course there's the billions of other galaxies in the universe.

We already know that life can form in the most desolate environments. And life has had billions of years to develop into technologically advanced civilizations.

I don't have much faith in the common interpretation of Drake's Law. That's a bunch of hogwash because the variables it's based on are huge unknowns. Even the slightest variation in a parameter can change the outcome dramatically because the number of stars in existence is immense.

Any alleged "scientist" should be aware of the nature of life's ability to develop in many different environments and the huge probability of life evolving in many other star systems.

So to summarize, I'm pretty sure there is a lot of alien life out there but why are is that alien life so elusive?
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:00pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:57pm, StayFocused wrote:
Based on what information?


I have information but I don't share it because it's only fact for me since it's based on personal experience and personal observation. There are a few in this forum that can say the same as myself.

Unfortunately for the others, that infomation will forever be theoretical due to the simple fact that they have not experienced it or observed it.

That's just the way it is.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:02pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:31pm, StayFocused wrote:
Based on the video alone they do look like some Chinese lanterns hanging in the sky. I don't see where they fly about like some extra-terrestrial craft. The eyewitness comments are interesting but they never mention what happened to the lights after 30 minutes. Did they blink out? Did they fly into space at supersonic speed? Important information no?

Also, pardon my ignorance but I don't get why people think Disclosure is just around the corner. Maybe I'm just a pessimist but the ufo phenom has been going on for 60+ years now. I bet ufo dudes were thinking the same thing when they saw the MJ12 docs, the Phoenix lights, etc...

Those of you that are in contact with the aliens. What do they tell you? Can't you just say "Whassup Beeblebrox, when are you gonna stop dancing around in the sky like a bunch of fireflies and do something interesting?!"?


very good post. I think some us have told that (ET)dont talk very much. seems to take whom ever when ever they want . then like you say show up in the sky mostly at nite, as if to say who you going to tell,or what are you all going to do about it. who knows whats on ets mind but et and his buddys.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by StayFocused on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:03pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:00pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I have information but I don't share it because it's only fact for me since it's based on personal experience and personal observation. There are a few in this forum that can say the same as myself.

Unfortunately for the others, that infomation will forever be theoretical due to the simple fact that they have not experienced it or observed it.

That's just the way it is.
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Well if you're not going to disclose your information why mention it at all? It's effectively useless to anybody and doesn't answer my question.


Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:14pm

Scenario...year 1988....location: CARET Program office:

" I know I'm new here but why is there a coin meter on the copy machine?

"Let me explain. We used to have this guy Isaac here and he made a lot of copies for free.

"After that the boss got the great idea of a coin meter so that at least people would have to pay for their personal copies.

"Really?

"Yeah, heck this year we've made over a thousand dollars in dimes and had a New Years party with the profits."




Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:14pm

THat ET you also have to give big creadit . even after 9,11 he still flies where he wants. hes suposed to be seen fling close by at that time. so stayfocused any thing ealse you want to ask about (ET)try asking (ET). GOOD LUCK. wink
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:15pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:03pm, StayFocused wrote:
Well if you're not going to disclose your information why mention it at all? It's effectively useless to anybody and doesn't answer my question.


For the obvious reason I guess. So that you know there are reasons but since they are theoretical to the reader why present them when they aren't going to do anything but rag on them and then dismiss them since there is no proof. lol grin

I have held back from saying so much, just because there are certain people visiting the forum that are doing nothing but. Consequently, why bother.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:22pm

I DID HAVE A DREAM ABOUT THE DRONES. I HAD NEVER SEEN A PICTURE OF THEM BEFORE. MY ONLY REASON FOR KNOWING THE DRONES ARE REAL. I KNOW NOTHING BUT WHAT I READ ALL THAT SPOKE ON THE PICTURES . wink
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Post by StayFocused on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:23pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:15pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
For the obvious reason I guess. So that you know there are reasons but since they are theoretical to the reader why present them when they aren't going to do anything but rag on them and then dismiss them since there is no proof. lol grin

I have held back from saying so much, just because there are certain people visiting the forum that are doing nothing but. Consequently, why bother.
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So basically you're confirming the aliens have told you personally that disclosure is going to happen any day now but you're unwilling to divulge any further details.

Is it safe to assume that the belief that disclosure is imminent is based on the information obtained from a handful of alleged alien contactees like yourself?



Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:26pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:14pm, jugement wrote:
THat ET you also have to give big creadit . even after 9,11 he still flies where he wants. hes suposed to be seen fling close by at that time. so stayfocused any thing ealse you want to ask about (ET)try asking (ET). GOOD LUCK. wink


StayingFocused, this is going to sound really odd to you but this post right here above might seem totally absurd to you however I know exactly what he's saying and the funny thing about it, is that he's right.

Alls you have to do is ask and you'll be shown. Now, isn't that an absurd thing for me to say? You bet it is.

Let's see how many members agree with me through over the days to come as they read this post.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:27pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:23pm, StayFocused wrote:
So basically you're confirming the aliens have told you personally that disclosure is going to happen any day now but you're unwilling to divulge any further details.

Is it safe to assume that the belief that disclosure is imminent is based on the information obtained from a handful of alleged alien contactees like yourself?


I am not going to answer any of the questions so don't ask them. The word "alleged" is sufficient for me.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:30pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:26pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
StayingFocused, this is going to sound really odd to you but this post right here above might seem totally absurd to you however I know exactly what he's saying and the funny thing about it, is that he's right.

Alls you have to do is ask and you'll be shown. Now, isn't that an absurd thing for me to say? You bet it is.

Let's see how many members agree with me through over the days to come as they read this post.
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NOWYOU know why I call you my . teacher and good friend.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:32pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:31pm, StayFocused wrote:
Based on the video alone they do look like some Chinese lanterns hanging in the sky.


I don't know how to say it in english but you are "de mauvaise foi" (of bad faith?!). How could Chinese lanterns hold in such a pattern? Moreover, it is told the right light came from the left at very high speed, paced the others and then stopped. And if you watch closely the video, you'll see the girls making the gesture to explain this movement to some boys beside them.

I'm completely off-topic but we spoke about the Majestic documents this morning and I've found a post from Nemo on OMF which explains that the doctor's claims may be not valid.

Moderator edit: Let's save everyone some time and just post it here. We could stand to have it in the thread anyway. It's off-topic however StayingFocused posted their comment in Isaac #3 so we'll finish it off here in Isaac#4 since it is a continuation of Isaac #3

BY, RYAN S. WOOD
Quote:
No Proof of Fakery in Leaked Top Secret Majestic Documents
Press Release
FORENSIC LINGUISTIC ANALYSIS FLAWED AND MISLEADING
No Proof of Fakery in Leaked "Top Secret" Government UFO Documents

Special Operations Manual - ET Recovery & Disposal

Broomfield, CO July 25, 2007 - A determined effort to muddy the waters with claims of "fraud" concerning the extensive Top Secret Majestic, or MJ-12, documents that have leaked from multiple sources in recent years has failed several tests of credibility.

Recently minted Bible professor Michael S. Heiser has issued press notices about his claims in association with a report he is selling on the Internet with promotion for sales of his novel concluding that UFOs are a plot by Satan to take over the earth in the "the façade" of an Air Force colonel running Area 51.

Heiser recently paid thousands of dollars to a document examiner, Dr. Carol Chaski to look at only 11 pages (about 5,000 words) of the 3,500 pages of MJ-12 documents leaked to researchers since 1984. Despite the examiner's conclusion that at least one of the 11 pages was in fact written by the author claimed, Heiser has issued sweeping conclusions that all the MJ-12 documents are fraudulent.

Heiser's allegations have drawn attention to the Internet marketing campaign for his novel, published to little response in 2004 but now advertised again on the Internet next to his claims of MJ-12 fraud.

The novel's hero is a Bible student (as was Heiser) who claims the Bible describes a "Divine Council" of gods responsible for creation (as Heiser's own dissertation alleges). A secret-agent Vatican priest pretends to be part of the plot until Satan crushes him, and in the end, of course, the Bible student gets the beautiful young woman scientist.

"The real façade may be that any responsible scholar would make such sweeping claims on the basis of such limited and conflicting evidence," said businessman and prominent UFO researcher Ryan Wood. "The least that any intellectually honest person can do is to look at the weight of extensive research that Heiser neglects to mention and keep an open mind."

Ryan Wood along with distinguished aerospace physicist Dr. Robert Wood and nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman have published in-depth research on the so-called MJ-12, or Majestic, documents, some of which have been found in the archives of the National Archives and Records Administration.

Heiser, who claims to be among the "top 100 UFO experts," recently hired Dr. Carol Chaski, a forensic linguistic researcher, who ran the pages through a computer program to see if their language is like that of other documents purportedly from the same or similar authors. She concluded that 10 of the 11 pages were questionable.

"A logical flaw is obvious to anyone who has worked in government or the military," said Wood. "General officers and senior public officials do not write 90 percent of the official documents they sign. Government documents are frequently written by subordinates for commanders, or by committees and secretaries. Expecting linguistic authorship to match across such documents is unlikely from the start."

"The notion that forensic linguistics, a very new science is the silver bullet that dethrones the validity of the entire majestic document collection, or the Roswell Crash reality is a gross misstatement." said Ryan S. Wood document researcher.

Questioned Document Authenticaion
The field of document authentication is very old and focuses on many vectors of authenticity, namely forensics (ink, paper), chronology (out of time/place), chirography (handwriting), typography, provenance, content and anachronisms. The results advertised by Heiser stem from what document examiners consider among the least accurate of their analysis techniques. "The notion that forensic linguistics, a very new science with just one peer reviewed journal and a handful of experts is the silver bullet that dethrones the validity of the entire majestic document collection is a gross misstatement." said Ryan Wood, document researcher.

Complicating the matter, Heiser has released only his brief summary of Dr. Chaski's research. While making scientific claims, he has not revealed the alleged scientific details of what was examined, including the "control documents" she may have used for comparison. So as the saying goes "garbage in garbage out" applies. The bottom line is the tool of forensic linguistics is just one of several state-of-the-art question document examination techniques.

"Far beyond Heiser's approach, we have originals of some of the MJ-12 documents," said the Wood's. "And careful forensic examination of these rare documents has stood the test of authenticity. At a minimum, there is no complete consensus yet from the so-called experts, and it is disingenuous for Heiser, whose previous UFO publishing is confined to his novel, to claim otherwise."

On the other hand, of the nearly 3,500 pages of other leaked Majestic documents that Heiser ignores -- meticulous research for the past decade has cross-verified content with known military activities at a level of detail that is hard to write off as fakery. Corroborating such documents are the direct testimony by astronauts like Gordon Cooper, retired Air Force generals like Arthur Exon and others who have put their direct testimony in the record concerning the reality of non-human craft observed near Earth.

"One problem is that the campaign of ridicule, plus imaginative novels combining UFOs with personal theology, is that it keeps sensible people from exploring the real weight of evidence for themselves. We have gone to considerable effort to put most of the important leaked documents at www.majesticdocuments.com," said Wood.
SOM1-01 UFO Craft Images

"To date," Wood emphasized, "no credible evidence has tarnished the authenticity of the 'Special Operations Manual: Extraterrestrial Entities Technology Recovery and Disposal' of April 1954; the 'Eisenhower Briefing Document' of November 1952; the 'White Hot Report' of September 1947; or the 'Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit' Counter Intelligence Report of July 22, 1947.

In a rare failure of security, the U.S. Army revealed in reply to a Freedom of Information Act request that the Counter Intelligence Corps did indeed have an "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit" during the period of the now-leaked Majestic documents. Without explaining why "interplanetary phenomena" would be of interest to the Army's security branch, the Army simply said the files had been passed to the Air Force's own Office of Special Investigations who have likewise never explained their counter-intelligence interest.

The questioned documents are extensively discussed in Stanton Friedman's landmark book "TOP SECRET/MAJIC" and in Ryan Wood's recent book "MAJIC EYES ONLY," which has received endorsements from astronauts, scientists, retired Air Force officers and others.

Ryan S. Wood

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:42pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:32pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
I don't know how to say it in english but you are "de mauvaise foi" (of bad faith?!). How could Chinese lanterns hold in such a pattern? Moreover, it is told the right light came from the left at very high speed, paced the others and then stopped. And if you watch closely the video, you'll see the girls making the gesture to explain this movement to some boys beside them.

I'm completely off-topic but we spoke about the Majestic documents this morning and I've found a post from Nemo on OMF which explains that the doctor's claims may be not valid. Click here
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUST YOUR BRAINS TO TRY ND SHOW. ALL OF A SUDDEN LOTS OF INFORMATION HAS COME OUT SAYING UFOS/DRONES/MJ-12 WAS EITHER A HOAX OR DOCUMENTS ARE DIS IMFORMATION. YOU KNOW THE STORY.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:49pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:42pm, jugement wrote:
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUST YOUR BRAINS TO TRY ND SHOW. ALL OF A SUDDEN LOTS OF INFORMATION HAS COME OUT SAYING UFOS/DRONES/MJ-12 WAS EITHER A HOAX OR DOCUMENTS ARE DIS IMFORMATION. YOU KNOW THE STORY.


Sometimes it is necessary to break ones brain jugement. We must always consider the newcomers to the forum who jump in and see only one side of a story because they jumped in on the wrong page and didn't see the whole story.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:50pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:26pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
StayingFocused, this is going to sound really odd to you but this post right here above might seem totally absurd to you however I know exactly what he's saying and the funny thing about it, is that he's right.

Alls you have to do is ask and you'll be shown. Now, isn't that an absurd thing for me to say? You bet it is.

Let's see how many members agree with me through over the days to come as they read this post.
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ATO is not required to say anything she does not want to say. If she has information that she feels is her business only I think I would just leave it at that.

This isn't a Congressional hearing of some sort..


Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:52pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:50pm, urantia606 wrote:
ATO is not required to say anything she does not want to say. If she has information that she feels is her business I think I would just leave it at that.


At last, we agree on something!! grin
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 25th, 2007, 6:31pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:52pm, Latitude wrote:
Me too! I'm south of Sac. Where abouts are you?


San Jose, not far from Saratoga, Palo Alta and Capitola.

Enough to give a person the heebie jeebies.

She--
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 25th, 2007, 6:49pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:52pm, DrDil wrote:
At last, we agree on something!! grin


Now you can see how reasonable I am. Just your regular sort of nice guy.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 25th, 2007, 6:56pm

For those of you who missed it, the Larry King Interview from 13'th of July with George Noory from Coast2Coast:

http://ufo.whipnet.org/digital.proof/larry.king.ufo.2007/?=rss

--VonStern
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:03pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 6:31pm, Shechaiyah wrote:
San Jose, not far from Saratoga, Palo Alta and Capitola.

Enough to give a person the heebie jeebies.

She--


Yeah, that's close. Have you thought about taking a mountain biking trip in Big Basin? cool
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:05pm

Hey everybody,

I just made a video featuring the drones. Check it out.
Broadband only.

http://tinyurl.com/284vpk



Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:06pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:25pm, bakosawa wrote:
To be honest.. I was thinking of a commercial light box (or light booth) to view color... embarassed

http://www.rpimaging.com/store/PID841

But using your example... I can still see the corners and a floor.

Then I am very interested in the fluorescent light source that was used to light a large area with enough lums to accomplish what we see in Isaac's photos... and the why the odd shadowing from the right to the left in the I-beam photos. I would assume as with any photography... one would use a light box to control or remove shadow... rolleyes


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A bit odd for shadowing or bloom (all of the other shadows are gray)... no background too.


Sorry Bako - but I don't get your idea of what, then, this "photo" actually is and how it was created? Forgive my ignorance, but you are so occupied with tactlessly blasting others that I think I've missed your own ideas in the tide of negativity...

This reminds of sitting around the board room table with one person constantly saying 'no, that's stupid' and 'you people obviously have no idea what you are talking about' without presenting anything constructive to the discussion. It is trivially easy to poke holes at others' ideas and create doubt... are you suggesting this is CGI, or some physical object that is, as you say is 'photoshopped'? If you expect anyone to accept your ideas as meritous you should be able to present a plausible explanation with backing, just like you're demanding of the others here...

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:14pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:05pm, Latitude wrote:
Hey everybody,

I just made a video featuring the drones. Check it out.
Broadband only.

http://tinyurl.com/284vpk




Excellent work, Latitude! Informative, nice music!

--VonStern
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:23pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:14pm, VonStern wrote:
Excellent work, Latitude! Informative, nice music!

--VonStern


Thanks but it's a little rough around the edges. Sometime I'll sit down and tweak it a little.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:24pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:05pm, Latitude wrote:
Hey everybody,

I just made a video featuring the drones. Check it out.
Broadband only.

http://tinyurl.com/284vpk


Good video, even when watching that it’s the Big Basin image that really jumps out at you.
I was working on something similar but always seem to get chronically sidetracked!! grin

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:25pm



I guess I missed a post. That was awesome Latitude
http://tinyurl.com/284vpk

Really awesome! Great music too even though it wasn't Michael Oldfield. lol


Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:29pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:25pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I guess I missed a post. That was awesome Latitude
http://tinyurl.com/284vpk

Really awesome! Great music too even though it wasn't Michael Oldfield. lol



Thanks! kiss
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:31pm

RoH quoted:

Quote:
Hi, I'm working on the right panel diagrams of the BBTY aa picture with the fractal imaging software, but it's not ready. This is what I got so far with just an artistic re-creation, but I'm going to put in something from the Isaac linguistic analysis primer. I made this but I don,t think it's ready-- more work to do here.

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There is alot more lines that we need to see when you look at the BBTY aa picture without zooming into it, you can only see the small lines from far away.

And the fractal imager version 1,1 that I used, is not the one that I saw that I wanted, but I am working on getting this panel enlarged and detailed with the fractal imaging software.

RoH


This is awesome RoH -- thanks for sending it in PM -- I am posting here for others to see, so we can get a good idea of what the linguistic panel looks like. I can't wait to see the detailed closeup you do with the fractal imaging software!!!
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:31pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:18pm, brm1 wrote:
The more I look at them the more they look alike -- even to the cameras POV


They are the same but there are pieces that are not in position as they are on the craft. On the other Inventory pic you can see them, now it's got me thinking it crashed. Isaac did say there were incidents.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:32pm

I know it easy to write off any one of these, but you really have to over look it all to easily dismiss it…


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The Ty’s hi-res photo…



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The same region on one of Chad’s photo’s, blown up just over 600%....

1. points to blue areas on Chad’s over enlarged photo…
2. points to parallel line caused buy digitally over enlarging…

The point of this is Ty’s photo is shown at 100% and not over enlarged here. But the photo appears to be digitally over enlarged with drop outs.



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Enlargement of the anti-grav device… arrows point to areas of the boarder with a blue "glow." This is not shadowing. This is like over the enlarging blue, same hue.



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The location of this part is the top left "knob" on the closest part of the anti-grav device.




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The blue areas of the hi-res drone are – hue value, the hue plot is telling.

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Again the blue area of the "shadow" - with the hue value... it was the hue plot that grabbed me, at the same location.

These are not random events.



Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:32pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:03pm, StayFocused wrote:
Well if you're not going to disclose your information why mention it at all? It's effectively useless to anybody and doesn't answer my question.


Out of respect for your question, StayFocused, let me try to answer it from a different perspective ...

I have meet many people - a good percentage of whom are not "into" UFO's - who will tell you, in a somewhat bewildered tone of voice, that something big is coming. They've had this feeling a good part of their lives and, to a person, they will tell you that this feeling has grown over the past year. These are not prophets, magicians, theologians, psychic channelers, or disturbed individuals. They are mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, children. They are teachers, doctors, shop keepers, artists - you'll find them in every town in every country in the world. What is it that they're picking up on?

Some of them - perhaps even all of them - have been touched by something beyond the parameters of "normal" human experience. A good number, tens of thousands (based on studies by individuals such as the late Dr. John Mack), perhaps more, associate this inner knowing with ET contact. Contact that began in childhood. These people show no sign of mental illness, they live productive lives, raise families, attend church, grocery shop. They don't seek attention, far from it. There is something here for those with courage enough to challenge their own sense of knowing.

I'm what I refer to as a "subtle experiencer". I have shared with some here my personal story. I'm not going to go into on this thread because in this case the experience of one is reflected in many - and that makes a pretty strong case that something is indeed going on. What's truly amazing is that these people are finding each other!

So I'll answer the question about disclosure in the best, most honest way that I can. I'm sorry that I can't produce a scientifically validated affidavit from a "recognized authority" - if you're waiting for that, get comfortable. All I can tell you is that I'm a sane, intelligent, 53 year old man, who was not raised in a UFO friendly environment. I am not looking for attention, in fact, I'm a fairly shy individual. I'm not looking to start a cult, make money, or convert anyone. I respect your right to believe as you do, all I ask is that you return the favor.

Alright, what do I know (and the how you will have to at try to understand based on everything that I said above). I know this - and have known it all my life - that there will come a time in my life when something HUGE will happen that will change our world forever. It's not good, it's not bad, it just is. Whatever this event is it will be initiated with the definitive knowledge that we are not alone in the universe.

You can now label me anything you wish. But please be very aware that I am not one voice, far from it. Put your own assumptions aside for just a second. Look around you, really see where we are as a civilization. Picture the Earth in your mind. A beautiful blue marble suspended in blackness, supported by nothing. Let yourself feel the awe of the moment and listen to what your heart says.

Could these mysterious drones be harbingers of greater things to come? Certainly. Might they be an incredibly complex and ingenious hoax? Perhaps. Will the outcome of this have any effect on the event that many of us "know" is coming. No. Why? Because we are not the ones who are ultimately in charge of pulling the curtain back.

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by becker44 on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:32pm

Well met Lat. I like your choice of music. Can you tell me the name of the artist/song please?

Becker
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:40pm

Two thumbs up, Latitude!! smiley smiley
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DdP on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:44pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:05pm, Latitude wrote:
I just made a video featuring the drones. Check it out.
http://tinyurl.com/284vpk


Hi Latitude : Great job ! May i suggest that on Ver 1.1
you'd fit the mm/dd on the stills ?
That would help a lot for those who keep asking (me) for some kind of a recap..
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:48pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:32pm, bakosawa wrote:
Enlargement of the anti-grav device… arrows point to areas of the boarder with a blue "glow." This is not shadowing. This is like over the enlarging blue, same hue.



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The location of this part is the top left "knob" on the closest part of the anti-grav device.

Do you think the blue shadow extends down (beneath the needle) into the bottom left corner, it looks like it does, but very faint. Or is that an illusion?
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:53pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:32pm, becker44 wrote:
Well met Lat. I like your choice of music. Can you tell me the name of the artist/song please?

Becker


ELO. It's the intro to the song called "Tightrope" from the CD "A New World Record". There's actually two versions of that song. The other version is the one I usually listen to. It's completely instrumental and has more strings and no synth.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nephilim on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:55pm

To MarkM-

Hey! I have seen you post this several times, but your latest post...it just sank in! I have felt a compelling feeling that something huge was comming. I was trying to think of when this feeling first began and I'm honestly not certain but I can tell you it has lingered in my mind for many many years, at least half my lifetime [I'm 32].

I don't think I ever made the connection before because I think I always attributed it to either a Biblical revelations type of thing, or perhaps some kind of catastrophe for my country, maybe for the world.

I just made the connection and it gave me small chills.

I have always just thought that it was either paranoia on my part, or the idea that each generation thinks 'they are the ones' to see the 'end.'

If you note the generation to see the year 1000 AD, you will find mass hysteria of the comming melinnium and the precieved coming of armaggedon.

I try my best to be rational about these matters and I know that human emotion is a very powerful thing, so I think I've been my own skeptic torwards my own thoughts and feelings concerning this.

Makes me wander. smiley
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:55pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:05pm, Latitude wrote:
Hey everybody,

I just made a video featuring the drones. Check it out.
Broadband only.

http://tinyurl.com/284vpk


good classical video.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by VonStern on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:00pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:32pm, MarkM wrote:
All I can tell you is that I'm a sane, intelligent, 53 year old man, who was not raised in a UFO friendly environment. I am not looking for attention, in fact, I'm a fairly shy individual. I'm not looking to start a cult, make money, or convert anyone. I respect your right to believe as you do, all I ask is that you return the favor.

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I agree to the fullest. I've had the feeling that something big are forthcoming. I felt it strongest in this year. Long before I heard of the Drones. And I'm a 45 year old man, living in Denmark.

It is my opinion, and mine only, that the evidence shown and worked on on this thread/s are so close to the truth, that we have to conclude this for a fact.

Whether or not this will hit the Mainsteam News, are no longer an option, it will be fact, given the time it will take. The origin may even come from an unsuspected source.

And from hereon, it's out of our hands....if it ever were in...we all just worked hard to reveal the evidence.

Just my final thoughts for tonight...it's allmost dawn over here grin

See you all later on,

VonStern


Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:06pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:05pm, Latitude wrote:
Hey everybody,

I just made a video featuring the drones. Check it out.
Broadband only.

http://tinyurl.com/284vpk




Super job... I like it. smiley
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:10pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:32pm, bakosawa wrote:
I know it easy to write off any one of these, but you really have to over look it all to easily dismiss it…


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Again the blue area of the "shadow" - with the hue value... it was the hue plot that grabbed me, at the same location.

These are not random events.


I don't know where you're getting your color sample data from, but Photoshop disagrees:

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I obtained values ranging from 220-228 all around the perimeter of the I-Beams using the Eyedropper tool (photos taken directly from fotunecity without edit). Nothing in the shadows came near the hue level you're saying you obtained (somehow). No offence, but I think you're simply trying to eyeball a color match and calling it authoritative.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:11pm

MARKM WROTE(because we are not the ones who are ultimately in charge of pulling the curtain back).Big STATEment tobe true. cool
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:23pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:48pm, DrDil wrote:
Do you think the blue shadow extends down (beneath the needle) into the bottom left corner, it looks like it does, but very faint. Or is that an illusion?


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The whole shadow appears to be an illusion... you can not make sense of it... and the weird blue glow...


Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:23pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:03pm, Latitude wrote:
Yeah, that's close. Have you thought about taking a mountain biking trip in Big Basin? cool


I live right under Mount Hamilton Observatory. No, that would not occur to me. I'm too old and decrepit.

I'd rather have my teeth worked on, than try to get a bicycle up that mountain.

: ) ~*~She--
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:31pm

RoH, that's a great job you did on matching up the symbols. It really pulls things into focus - literally!

The great thing about Casebook is that it's a safe place to explore both our similarities and our differences, and to learn from both. It takes many voices to form a choir! In the end we may need to "agree to disagree" but we are all sharing this very unique place, friends on a journey.


Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Lok on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:43pm

I have 3 comments... if the shoe fits:

1. Light is reflected from multiple sources even if there is only one source for that light (the sun for example) ... therefore shadows and color may not always behave the way we expect them. If 20 of us took random photos all on the same day but from different locations there will be room to debate the veracity of ~65% of those photos based on shadow and light alone.

2. Much of what is said here and in the UFO community is *all* theory. There is no public proof; if I were wrong then we would not be here debating if alien technology is real. Isaac has no proof for example. Many offer "evidence", much of it documentary evidence, but evidence must not be confused for proof. Therefore *selective* omission of theories is often an attempt to direct or misdirect popular views.

3. Are data backups of this forum performed on a regular basis? What if conforums suffers a HD failure (this is common esp. for older forums). What happens when conforums decides to move on?

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:47pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:10pm, Fencesitter wrote:
I don't know where you're getting your color sample data from, but Photoshop disagrees:
I obtained values ranging from 220-228 all around the perimeter of the I-Beams using the Eyedropper tool (photos taken directly from fotunecity without edit). Nothing in the shadows came near the hue level you're saying you obtained (somehow). No offence, but I think you're simply trying to eyeball a color match and calling it authoritative.


Agreed. Even if boksawa's blues did match perfectly, it really doesn't prove anything except that they are "purty colors" it doesn't mean definitively that the same person CGI'd them both. And, the likelyhood that IF the same person CGI'd them that they would even use the same hue. I am not even understanding the reasoning behind this line of analysis anyway. I mean... I understand why baksawa is questioning it, I just don't think that the outcome weighs anything significant to prove or disprove.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:07pm

It's kind of discouraging that the drone story for the LMH C2C episode seems to be dropping further down the story ladder - "And some "drone" and disappearing bee news updates". Almost sounds like it's getting stuck in there just to be addressed in some capacity. Maybe the call-in segment will be able to draw something out. Things need to settle down across the pond there smiley!
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:16pm


I have a funny for y'all. We have an area in the forum where us moderators chat. Well I don't always go in as often as I should and I missed something that I just read.

This was written on July 7th in the moderator thread as a note to me about what he thought regarding the Isaac linguistics.

on Jul 6th, 2007, 7:12pm, Merlin wrote:
ATO without going into detail Cheques have magnetic ink for the numbers!!


Yeah, July 7th!! LOL
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Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:23pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:07pm, MarkM wrote:
It's kind of discouraging that the drone story for the LMH C2C episode seems to be dropping further down the story ladder - "And some "drone" and disappearing bee news updates". Almost sounds like it's getting stuck in there just to be addressed in some capacity. Maybe the call-in segment will be able to draw something out. Things need to settle down across the pond there smiley!


Depending on the credibility of the University professor in Computer Science and Engineering (one of Linda's interviews to be played during this program), and their name recognition, this could draw some interesting callers out. Better yet, it could get some more witnesses, who are afraid of ridicule, to talk... or at least send Linda a report.

MarkM, I wanted to reiterate something you'd mentioned in the last thread. You linked to an ATS Forum post from a poster named "Engineering Type". That was the best break-down of the Isaac CARET document that I've seen. This guy sounds like he had an epiphany that has rocked his foundations. It helped me get a new perspective on the document and is definitely worth reading. Here's a link for those who may have missed it earlier. I can't recommend it highly enough!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread289007/pg125

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:31pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:23pm, OnlookerDelay wrote:
MarkM, I wanted to reiterate something you'd mentioned in the last thread. You linked to an ATS Forum post from a poster named "Engineering Type". That was the best break-down of the Isaac CARET document that I've seen. This guy sounds like he had an epiphany that has rocked his foundations. It helped me get a new perspective on the document and is definitely worth reading.


Yes OnlookerDelay, he was impressive wasn't he? Very well written. I never followed up reading beyond what he said though. I was afraid too. I didn't want to read what might have come after such a brilliant statement. The negativity in ATS can be too high at times and that would have been a disappointment to me so I hope nobody mentions that part. Just thought I would speak my mind.
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Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:42pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:31pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Yes OnlookerDelay, he was impressive wasn't he? Very well written.


This is the kind of guy I want to hear Linda Howe interview! He is very rational, yet he knows he's dealing something that's beyond the realm of a cheap hoax. I read on to some follow up posts and no one went after him too hard. He even has some people giving him props there.

I'm thinking that if drone witnesses hear someone analyze the drone phenomena with the approach Engineering Type takes, they'd be more likely to warm up to the idea of discussing it. We need more witnesses to come forward, particularly ones who would be willing to give their full identity.

I've been reading ATS for a couple of years now, although I rarely post there. It seems like a lot of other anomaly boards in that many of the posters seem to be in a competition to see how they can out-skeptic the rest. There's plenty of good signal there though... you just have to learn how to filter out all of the nattering naybobs of negativity who make a lot of noise.
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Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 25th, 2007, 10:26pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:52pm, DrDil wrote:
At last, we agree on something!! grin


Well, if THIS just happened... then truly disclosure can NOT be far around the corner! I mean let's face it, there's nothing else in this world that could be more surprising than those two events, right?

(PS - man I love my new monitor..brighter, more colorful.... and now to start playing with my new video editing software) smiley

Edit: OK...SOMEONE has a major hangup on Mike Oldfield. smiley

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Post by castles4me on Jul 25th, 2007, 10:32pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:42pm, OnlookerDelay wrote:
There's plenty of good signal there though... you just have to learn how to filter out all of the nattering naybobs of negativity who make a lot of noise.


Yes, those annoying noisy nattering naybobs of negativity lol
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Post by starsigndavid on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:29am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:14pm, VonStern wrote:
Excellent work, Latitude! Informative, nice music!
--VonStern



Yes, VERY good video!
...........and now a little bit of mystery to relieve the tension and give us a laugh. Outside our home, right out front, is a utility pole with transformer and all that stuff. At 3:00 this afternoon, the power to our house and ours alone went off. Southern CA Edison finally got out here an hour ago and said that something had been in contact with the wire that leads to our house and an odd drain occured, and the wire was corroded at that point, in a way he had not seen before. [Twilight Zone music: doo doo doodoo, doo doo doodoo!] shocked
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Post by starsigndavid on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:39am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:32pm, MarkM wrote:
Alright, what do I know (and the how you will have to at try to understand based on everything that I said above). I know this - and have known it all my life - that there will come a time in my life when something HUGE will happen that will change our world forever. It's not good, it's not bad, it just is. Whatever this event is it will be initiated with the definitive knowledge that we are not alone in the universe.
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Thank you, MarkM, for articulately stating what I have been trying to verbalize for awhile. I am with you and the many others who feel this impending something. I sometimes have amazingly vivid dreams, with spectacular "sci-fi" climaxes, where I am witnessing with my family some incredible "arrival" of cosmic neighbors. I come from a very UFO-negative background and never gave them much thought until my sighting a year ago. Irrational? Psychotic? I don't know, but no one who knows me would describe me that way. And I am grateful to ATO and all of you for making me feel increasingly comfortable about discussing these events/feelings in my life. wink
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Post by newtothis on Jul 26th, 2007, 01:35am

Listening to/reading the quality of those lacking in knowledge is really hurting my brain. Just because something is out of someone's intelligence curve, doesn't mean it isn't real. Everything that is being presented by Isaac is out of all of our intelligence curves. Unless you are some degree of PhD, you cannot discount the input of those that are.

Everything I see, with what Isaac gave us, the photos, and what some field level experts have given input to, leads me to the inevitable conclusion that this is the real deal.

If you are in this forum, you either believe in other worldly life or you don't! There isn't much of a middle ground(IMHO)..
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Post by Keith on Jul 26th, 2007, 02:30am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 05:35am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
The drone's mothership? Why isn't there ever a fathership?

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If I looked up and saw one big @## UFO, father just doesn't come into my mind. wink
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 26th, 2007, 02:36am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:49pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Sometimes it is necessary to break ones brain jugement. We must always consider the newcomers to the forum who jump in and see only one side of a story because they jumped in on the wrong page and didn't see the whole story.
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I think that's what happened to me about the Majestic documents, I read somewhere they were fake and stopped trying to know more about. But now I've added a link to the website where they are and I'm going to investigate them by myself.
As I'm off-topic, I would like to add: ATO you're great and thank you very much for your work in this forum.
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 26th, 2007, 03:03am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:32pm, bakosawa wrote:
I know it easy to write off any one of these, but you really have to over look it all to easily dismiss it…
Again the blue area of the "shadow" - with the hue value... it was the hue plot that grabbed me, at the same location.
These are not random events.

I don't understand what you're trying to explain us. Do you think the blue areas are created by a graphic design software? I don't believe the hoaxers if they exist would have worked with a software creating such horrible defaults. I don't think Photoshop creates that kind of blue shadows, nor may Cinema 4D, Maya or whatever 3D software.
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 26th, 2007, 03:04am

Pfff... I'm alone in the morning. embarassed
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Post by shiv on Jul 26th, 2007, 03:17am

Hiya! First time poster long time lurker. smiley I have been following this case from the start. Well anyways I was surfing pictures of ufos and I found an old picture that reminds me of the drones.

1945 Jack LeMonde UFO Photo Analysis
http://www.nidsci.org/news/images/photo3.jpg
http://www.nidsci.org/news/lemonde.php
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/latestadditions/photo81.htm
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The LeMonde UFO/Light Fixture Debate: Update August 2001
http://www.nidsci.org/news/lemonde_update.php
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Post by Keith on Jul 26th, 2007, 03:19am

pfff... I'm still alive.

The blue shadow could be simply an artifact of copying, but as I pointed out, the shadow goes in three different directions. To me, it seems unlikely a photo file would do this. The fact that the blue shadow is present in some areas and not others is a bit puzzling.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 26th, 2007, 03:44am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 03:17am, shiv wrote:
Hiya! First time poster long time lurker. smiley I have been following this case from the start. Well anyways I was surfing pictures of ufos and I found an old picture that reminds me of the drones.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/latestadditions/photo81.htm


I've read about this photograph.
1- Welcome here!
2- I don't find any resemblance with the drones.
3- The Ufo is actually a lamp attached to a wire which is invisible because of the very light background.
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Post by shiv on Jul 26th, 2007, 03:47am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 03:44am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
I've read about this photograph.
1- I don't find any resemblance with the drones.
2- The Ufo is actually a lamp attached to a wire which is invisible because of the very light background.

It says in the article that the street lamp theory was rejected.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by HopefulSkeptic on Jul 26th, 2007, 05:48am

It occurred to me that the cage at the bottom of the drone might be used to open up and clamp onto the lander from the anonymously submitted photograph.

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It seems somewhat of an elaborate landing system though. You'd think the aliens would've invented landing gear. However, maybe the drones must take on the appearance of a gravity fractal in order to function, and conventional landing gear might interrupt the gravity field or something. Just a passing thought.

Also, maybe the reason LMH, C2C, and Isaac, etc. are now so mum about the drones subject is perhaps they're all working on a book deal? Just another passing thought.

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Post by WelshJester on Jul 26th, 2007, 05:51am

Why do so many clear(ish) old photos of UFO's actually look old too? i notice the black and white photos of them usually always look ancient, i dont think we get photos of them like that today?

some of them look like they could be a flying fire hydrant, that kind of material.. i dont know huh

whats up with that?, did E.T's get smarter all of a sudden?

its like they made all their old ones out of stone, or extremely simple designs. Hmm

saying that my mother and her mother saw a ufo over the mountains in the late 50's - early 60's and i suppose it looked pretty much the same as the classic saucer at the time.

Why did they look like this and how could it fly? it seems like they were all tiny.

Unless of course, some of these things were from us.. others were not.
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Post by brm1 on Jul 26th, 2007, 06:07am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 05:51am, WelshJester wrote:
Why do so many clear(ish) old photos of UFO's actually look old too? i notice the black and white photos of them usually always look ancient, i dont think we get photos of them like that today?


Could be because everyone I knew in the 50s had one of these

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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 26th, 2007, 07:08am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:43pm, Whane The Whip wrote:
Light is reflected from multiple sources even if there is only one source for that light (the sun for example) ... therefore shadows and color may not always behave the way we expect them. If 20 of us took random photos all on the same day but from different locations there will be room to debate the veracity of ~65% of those photos based on shadow and light alone.


on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:47pm, castles4me wrote:
Even if boksawa's blues did match perfectly, it really doesn't prove anything except that they are "purty colors" it doesn't mean definitively that the same person CGI'd them both. And, the likelyhood that IF the same person CGI'd them that they would even use the same hue. I am not even understanding the reasoning behind this line of analysis anyway. I mean... I understand why baksawa is questioning it, I just don't think that the outcome weighs anything significant to prove or disprove.


Interesting points...

It is a bit odd that different cameras, 20 years apart, are showing the same "signatures." I have to agree with Whane, from experience... different digital cameras will add their own color bias and not give the same exacts colors. "Film" cameras will vary on settings and development.

So does that mean they were using 7 megapixel digital cameras in the mid-1980's?

Purity of color? These are occurring at the same wavelengths or hue. That is not coincidence… there is a common cause or process to create this hue (as I have demonstrated).
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Post by drewlac on Jul 26th, 2007, 07:11am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 05:51am, WelshJester wrote:
some of them look like they could be a flying fire hydrant, that kind of material.. i dont know huh

whats up with that?, did E.T's get smarter all of a sudden?

its like they made all their old ones out of stone, or extremely simple designs. Hmm

saying that my mother and her mother saw a ufo over the mountains in the late 50's - early 60's and i suppose it looked pretty much the same as the classic saucer at the time.

Why did they look like this and how could it fly? it seems like they were all tiny.

Unless of course, some of these things were from us.. others were not.


Isn't it thought that approximately 60 different races are visiting/have visited out planet. That's always been my take on the reason for different designs. Plus, throw in our govt back-engineering ET tech and you have a wide variety of things cruz'n our skys.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 07:46am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 03:17am, shiv wrote:
Hiya! First time poster long time lurker. smiley I have been following this case from the start. Well anyways I was surfing pictures of ufos and I found an old picture that reminds me of the drones.
1945 Jack LeMonde UFO Photo
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Looks like a drone to me. As we've seen, they come in all shapes, sizes and configurations - not to mention the year was 1945.

We'll need more updated analysis but it's definitely debatable
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by DrDil on Jul 26th, 2007, 08:00am

Bakosawa, I fear you misunderstood my intentions. I was replying to when you said,

on Jul 25th, 2007, 11:41am, bakosawa wrote:
Please humor me on this… this is probably wrong and I and sure there are a lot of good folks out there that can help me on this….

1. There seems to be something wrong with the shadows on the Anti-grav and curved I-beam photos.

The shadows are blue in color. Why would the shadows be blue in color? Not only are they blue, but blue shows up on the Ty photos for the “feelers” (on the top of the drone and in the ring thingies) and the sides of some objects.

2. I have a theory… Ty = Isaac.

Any suggestions to help me disprove this?


I was unaware Latitude had posted a theory about the lightbox as I was looking for an image of a lightbox to show you, this took a little while and the only one I could find was the homemade one that I showed, to which you replied,
on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:25pm, bakosawa wrote:
To be honest.. I was thinking of a commercial light box (or light booth) to view color... embarassed


As far as I could see when I replied, the lightbox hadn’t been referenced by yourself as I was unaware of your last post due to replying to your previous one, if that makes sense.

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:48pm, DrDil wrote:
[color=Yellow]Not sure about the blue, but the white light topic has been raised before, a lightbox perhaps?


I was merely trying to offer an explanation as you asked, I have said countless times that I have a very, very basic knowledge of digital imaging, CGI etc. So bearing that in mind, allow me to again try and answer the question, but purely from an unqualified observers viewpoint, (as naïve and misinformed as it may be.)

Is it at all possible that the photos were intentionally placed on a blue base? The reason I ask is that if you look at the image below, you can see that the black outline of the shadow is almost indiscernible in the black and white image, where as on the colour image the shadow is a lot more noticeable against the blue.

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And this one is the sort of overhead shot of the I Beams by themselves, notice again that the blue is obvious and is all around the image and you can still see the shadows of the I Beams against the blue background.

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I also feel that in this next image of the two overhead shots you can clearly see the blue hue which you speak about.

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And in this image of a different two shots, it also looks like the blue is only beneath them, rather than a shadow cast by them.

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And finally if the reason for the blue base (or for lighting the base with a blue light) is to be able to more clearly observe the outline of the objects, then could the location of the device be shaped anything like this?

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Again, I apologise for the shoddy examples and all I’m trying to do is answer the question you posed, as a novice sees it.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 26th, 2007, 08:05am

As for the light box…

Labs normally do not have access to high end photographers with sweet light boxes to make photos of objects with no backgrounds. The Q3-85 page is much like what you will see from lab work. I know… I take a lot of our departments photos. We run on a shoe-string budget, and sometimes we don’t get the string. The anti-grav stuff… no. The point of a light box is to control the lighting/shadowing. There is no shadow control being displayed in the anti-grav photos as a whole.

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Why would a light box be used to produce this? There appears to be shadows under the beams... but why the weird blue scatter around the beams and to their left. It just does not make sense when you compare the blue to the dark shadow that are under the beams. The light that created the dark shadows would cancel the creation of the blue areas (or both would shadows would “lean” to the left), unless the blue was some how added later.
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Post by DrDil on Jul 26th, 2007, 08:15am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 08:05am, bakosawa wrote:
As for the light box…

Labs normally do not have access to high end photographers with sweet light boxes to make photos of objects with no backgrounds. The Q3-85 page is much like what you will see from lab work. I know… I take a lot of our departments photos. We run on a shoe-string budget, and sometimes we don’t get the string.

The anti-grav stuff… no. The point of a light box is to control the lighting/shadowing. There is no shadow control being displayed in the anti-grav photos as a whole.

Why would a light box be used to produce this? There appears to be shadows under the beams... but why the weird blue scatter around the beams and to their left. It just does not make sense when you compare the blue to the dark shadow that are under the beams. The light that created the dark shadows would cancel the creation of the blue areas (or both would shadows would “lean” to the left), unless the blue was some how added later.


If the blue was added later would it not cancel out the shadows of the I-Beams.
Help me understand!! And could the white not be a white background rather than a lightbox? I’m not criticising or questioning you but trying to understand what you are saying.

If you think this is from the photo being doctored in some way, do you think it is intentional?

The reason I ask is that to a novice, the CGI workmanship that appears to have went into the antigravity device is expert to say the least. And if the blue hue nullifies this then it would seem it had to be intentional.

Or do you think this blue is an inevitable result of the process that was used to doctor the images?
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Post by Marvin on Jul 26th, 2007, 09:05am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 08:15am, DrDil wrote:
If the blue was added later would it not cancel out the shadows of the I-Beams.
Help me understand!! And could the white not be a white background rather than a lightbox? I’m not criticising or questioning you but trying to understand what you are saying.

If you think this is from the photo being doctored in some way, do you think it is intentional?

The reason I ask is that to a novice, the CGI workmanship that appears to have went into the antigravity device is expert to say the least. And if the blue hue nullifies this then it would seem it had to be intentional.

Or do you think this blue is an inevitable result of the process that was used to doctor the images?


Sorry DrDil... I was missing your posts.

If you check the color of the dark shadows of the two beams, they are not at the same wavelengths as the rest of the blue background... some of it is in the green. I do not think the background for the beams is the 149-150 hue blue. If it is, then the photos would have to "photoshopped" to add the white background. I can find no natural explanation for the blue background in the pattern it is in. Even if one were to spotlight a blue light on it... the white letters would show as blue as the background. If there are too many coincidences, one must consider the fact that they may not be coincidences.

It could be caused by the process; it could be a "signature."

Why does the Ty drone have the “primer”, but does not have any “simple” linguistics?

Why don’t the other drones have the “primer,” but they do have “simple” linguistics?

Isaac says the linguistics run the craft, the primer show how the linguistics runs the craft. Yet the Ty drone runs on the primer and has no “simple” linguistics. Unfortunately, this type of logic runs through out the Isaac narration.

The TY - Isaac photos have common threads too… which folks are more than willing to explain away (but not prove).

Does anyone have objective evidence that proves Ty is not Isaac?

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 09:08am

On this subject, I really didn't think that the blue issue would go this far so I never said anything and then I saw DrDils blk and whi below and decided to mention this.

I worked at a mailorder company from 1979 to 1981 who had a black and white paper (newsprint material) catalog. All of our pictures looked like DrDils black and white picture below. There was the shadow but then there was an additional amount of ink that was displayed in particular areas around the picture beyond the shadow.

I think you only need to find an old blk/white catalog or newspaper that have ads on the page and you'll probably see the black (in addition to the shadow that is).

Back then of course, this was done with a 35mm camera. The photographer used to set up in our warehouse on a table and the item was set in a box.

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Post by want2bleive on Jul 26th, 2007, 09:21am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:00pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I have information but I don't share it because it's only fact for me since it's based on personal experience and personal observation. There are a few in this forum that can say the same as myself.

Unfortunately for the others, that infomation will forever be theoretical due to the simple fact that they have not experienced it or observed it.

That's just the way it is.
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So someone will call you crazy......... don't let that stop you.... inquiring minds want to know...l
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Post by benzjie on Jul 26th, 2007, 09:26am

there is an estimated 10 0000000000 0000000000 stars in the galaxy. To be on the safe side...let's assume that 1 in a 100 000 stars has habitable planets ..and that from those 1 in 100 000 is inhabited with life and that 1 in a 100 000 has life that is more advanced then we are...that leaves us with 1 000 000 civilizations more advanced then we are throughout the galaxy. Disclosure or not...... i know we are not alone and thats all i need to know.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 26th, 2007, 09:37am

I am looking online for photos of items in a lightbox to see if any others have a blue shadow. One thing I have noticed about some of the lightboxes that I see, the back of the box is curved.... (this will explain why there is no "wall" visible behind the item)

Look at these "Blue" shadows....
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Both of these images have blue shadows lol (Maybe they are CGI Hoaxers!!! LMAO -- those rascals are trying to make us believe that a camera lens and a knitting ball are REAL !!)
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Post by want2bleive on Jul 26th, 2007, 09:45am

on Jul 25th, 2007, 7:55pm, Nephilim wrote:
To MarkM-

Hey! I have seen you post this several times, but your latest post...it just sank in! I have felt a compelling feeling that something huge was comming. I was trying to think of when this feeling first began and I'm honestly not certain but I can tell you it has lingered in my mind for many many years, at least half my lifetime [I'm 32].

I don't think I ever made the connection before because I think I always attributed it to either a Biblical revelations type of thing, or perhaps some kind of catastrophe for my country, maybe for the world.

I just made the connection and it gave me small chills.

I have always just thought that it was either paranoia on my part, or the idea that each generation thinks 'they are the ones' to see the 'end.'

If you note the generation to see the year 1000 AD, you will find mass hysteria of the comming melinnium and the precieved coming of armaggedon.

I try my best to be rational about these matters and I know that human emotion is a very powerful thing, so I think I've been my own skeptic torwards my own thoughts and feelings concerning this.

Makes me wander. smiley


You're right, same here, something big is coming I feel it too. And we're not the only ones. Who ever is behind this has the same feeling. let me explain.

Full disclosure = time is running out

The brightest minds has had 60+ year to figure it out, they got close but need all of the help that they can get. I a last min effort they recruit the brightest minds on the planet to help via the net and for free.

Talk about sounding weird , the Mayans knew about it a long, long, time ago.

The Politician have a saying that goes like this

When a mob comes after you, get out in front of them and call it a parade...

parade = disclosure

IMO

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 09:47am

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TOTAL MARKS THE ONE MONTH MARK

FOR ISAAC

WHERE ARE YOU ISAAC?

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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by beenieweenie on Jul 26th, 2007, 09:50am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 08:05am, bakosawa wrote:
As for the light box…

Labs normally do not have access to high end photographers with sweet light boxes to make photos of objects with no backgrounds. The Q3-85 page is much like what you will see from lab work. I know… I take a lot of our departments photos. We run on a shoe-string budget....



A basic cornerless, white, backlit photo booth would not difficult or expensive to set up.

At my work, we even had an 8'W x 8'H x 5'D white, cornerless booth briefly before we switched to blue - and setting it up to appear like a light box/lit from behind/below would not have been hard to do, even on a "shoe string" budget.

All you'd need is a white background, pvc pipe, a few lights .... maybe even a lightbox underneath, and you'd have a nice little setup.

Our main booth is much larger of course, but maybe this will allow you to visualize.

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A basic acrylic photo table with lighting underneath would also create the same effect as a lightbox.

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Post by Marvin on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:00am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 09:37am, castles4me wrote:
I am looking online for photos of items in a lightbox to see if any others have a blue shadow. One thing I have noticed about some of the lightboxes that I see, the back of the box is curved.... (this will explain why there is no "wall" visible behind the item)

Look at these "Blue" shadows....
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Both of these images have blue shadows lol (Maybe they are CGI Hoaxers!!! LMAO -- those rascals are trying to make us believe that a camera lens and a knitting ball are REAL !!)
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On the photo of the lens, only the dark area of the shadow has a slight blue-purple cast, probably due to having a lens filter on the camera taking the picture... the area around the base of the photographed lens is not glowing blue.

The object (yarn ball) is blue and is reflecting light... the blue area below the object is influenced by the reflected light from the object... which is blue in color. This creates a blue glow here. The anti-grav stuff is a dark neutral gray... and it's blue glow is extremely wide spread.

And I find it less than credible that they had a professional photographer with all the fixin’s to take photos like these examples.
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Post by starsigndavid on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:18am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 09:26am, benzjie wrote:
...that leaves us with 1 000 000 civilizations more advanced then we are throughout the galaxy. Disclosure or not...... i know we are not alone and thats all i need to know.


Quick question: Is intergalactic travel generally considered impossible, even by more open-minded officianadoes? I realize the distances involved are beyond enormous, but I was curious if the same, more "elegant" theories on warping space and such could also apply to intergalactic distances.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:22am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 09:50am, beenieweenie wrote:
A basic cornerless, white, backlit photo booth would not difficult or expensive to set up.

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Hi Beenie...

Someone I know has a setup in a huge basement... maybe a 40 foot wide section is set up like this... in... white... (maybe he's Isaac) rolleyes grin

How large is the anit-grav device? How large of an area would one need to create the photo with the anti-grav device... and is it logical to assume that this Lab would create such a thing when you can just place the machine on the ground and take a picture of it (like the rings)? They are scientist, not artist.

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They would need a large light box....

Besides... I think the light box budget was redirected to a copy machine paper shortage. grin
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by benzjie on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:28am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:18am, starsigndavid wrote:
Quick question: Is intergalactic travel generally considered impossible, even by more open-minded officianadoes? I realize the distances involved are beyond enormous, but I was curious if the same, more "elegant" theories on warping space and such could also apply to intergalactic distances.



well..according to what i've read about "warping".. distance doens't matter anymore when you use that kind of technology...you go from one place to another in an instant. So , in theory it should be possible for them to visit us. But even if they can't come here, just the thought that we are not alone and that we are not the crown to god's creation is reassuring enough for me .
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:29am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:00am, bakosawa wrote:
On the photo of the lens, only the dark area of the shadow has a slight blue-purple cast, probably due to having a lens filter on the camera taking the picture... the area around the base of the photographed lens is not glowing blue.

The object (yarn ball) is blue and is reflecting light... the blue area below the object is influenced by the reflected light from the object... which is blue in color. This creates a blue glow here. The anti-grav stuff is a dark neutral gray... and it's blue glow is extremely wide spread.

And I find it less than credible that they had a professional photographer with all the fixin’s to take photos like these examples.


I think that the background that they used for the antigrav photos was fluorescent lighting from all angles, which can explain the shadow being more "all around" because the lighting came from all angles. The blue could be from the lighting as well. You say that the antigrav and A2 and A3 pieces are grey? They look black to me. And.... being that these items are alien items.... there very well could be a blue mixed in with their black in the making of the item. -- kind of a blue-ish black substance that they used to make them with. Also, they could be eminating some sort of power field, whether ionic, plasmic, microwave or whatever that could give it a glow different from any human made object. If the pieces can hover in the air because the language on them activates them, it wouldn't be too hard to believe that they give off a different shadow than any human object does. I don't think you can really prove anything with this one way or another.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:31am

Pretty soon we're going to require a separate thread on the artifact pictures with blue overtones. Why don't you let it roll and let others come in with other ideas on it but for now, sit on it - let time pass a little bit.

I want to get that 1945 drone picture back in around here somehow and those massive Isaac artifact thingys are gettin in my way lol. grin
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:32am


1945 Jack LeMonde UFO Photo Analysis
http://www.nidsci.org/news/images/photo3.jpg
http://www.nidsci.org/news/lemonde.php
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/latestadditions/photo81.htm
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The LeMonde UFO/Light Fixture Debate: Update August 2001
http://www.nidsci.org/news/lemonde_update.php
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:46am

Maybe the blue is just a byproduct of light hitting whatever material it's made of.
After all it isn't from here.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:50am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:22am, bakosawa wrote:
How large is the anit-grav device? How large of an area would one need to create the photo with the anti-grav device... and is it logical to assume that this Lab would create such a thing when you can just place the machine on the ground and take a picture of it (like the rings)? They are scientist, not artist.

Please read Isaac's report, then come back here. We're actually losing our time with your arguments which have been discussed before.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by urantia606 on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:54am

I see a street lamp in the distance but more importantly that is one beautiful U. S. Army horse. Bring back the cavalry.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:56am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:54am, urantia606 wrote:
I see a street lamp in the distance but more importantly that is one beautiful horse.


LOL! I think I have to agree with you on both points!
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:07am

The street lamp is no where near the description of the other object. There is detailed information in the address urls that dismiss the lamp, not mention the lamp pictured does not look like the picture with the horse. Also, look at the height of the UFO in relation to the height of the telephone pole. Maybe we'll have to wait until OnTheFence or someone else can help us here.

You have to remember something really important. Nobody was trying to hoax UFO pictures yet. Even Roswell hadn't happened yet.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:11am

It is a street lamp!

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:11am



bakosawa: I have joined a photography forum just now and am in the process of putting a thread together on this blue situation on the Isaac artifacts.

Essentially, I'm gonna bring in the troops on this to settle it hopefully.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by AlexK on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:23am

grin
Let me drop bit of scepsis in this common big jar of excitement. Honestly, I'm caught too.

I don't know what is about photos and diagrams in the Isaac's package but the "report" is not written by professional researcher. Doesn't matter what it contains but it's rather assay of journalist than real scientific report.

Any scientific report on done studies should have at least contextual hierarchy of: objectives & targets; matherials and methods (what; where and when), description of simple work results and conclusions.

Sorry, but the "report" is hoax. undecided
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Post by Fencesitter on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:25am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:11am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
It is a street lamp!


/agree

I would argue the bulb, reflector and housing are all fairly clear and unambiguous.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:29am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:54am, urantia606 wrote:
I see a street lamp in the distance but more importantly that is one beautiful U. S. Army horse. Bring back the cavalry.


The guy is not that bad lookin either.... except for that haircut lol

And, whether it's a lamp or UFO, I definitely don't think it looks like our drones.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:30am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:23am, AlexK wrote:
grin
Let me drop bit of scepsis in this common big jar of excitement. Honestly, I'm caught too.

I don't know what is about photos and diagrams in the Isaac's package but the "report" is not written by professional researcher. Doesn't matter what it contains but it's rather assay of journalist than real scientific report.

Any scientific report on done studies should have at least contextual hierarchy of: objectives & targets; matherials and methods (what; where and when), description of simple work results and conclusions.

Sorry, but the "report" is hoax. undecided



Well, Alex, what can I say? There are many scientists and engineers that have gone on record with quite the opposite opinion. Here are a couple to get you started:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1284&category=Environment
I believe the professor will also be interviewed on C2C Friday. There are several more, you'll just need to read through the threads.
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Post by castles4me on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:32am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:30am, MarkM wrote:
Well, Alex, what can I say? There are many scientists and engineers that have gone on record with quite the opposite opinion. Here are a couple to get you started:

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Mark give him the Engineertype link from ATS too.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:35am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:46am, LangLee wrote:
Maybe the blue is just a byproduct of light hitting whatever material it's made of.
After all it isn't from here.


I think it's a combination of two things. Shadow and reflection from the objects. They are both very subtle effects.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:35am


Am I in the UFO Casebook forum? I feel as if I entered a skeptic forum suddenly.

Did I not say that Roswell had not happened yet and nobody was in the biz of faking UFOs in 1945?

Before you all comment, read the addresses supplied. You just now for the first time saw the above photos but are taking no time to really do a lengthy looksee unless you've already read all of the pages regarding the pictures, which includes the following.

1945 Jack LeMonde UFO Photo Analysis
http://www.nidsci.org/news/images/photo3.jpg
http://www.nidsci.org/news/lemonde.php
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/latestadditions/photo81.htm

The LeMonde UFO/Light Fixture Debate: Update August 2001
http://www.nidsci.org/news/lemonde_update.php
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:43am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:35am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Am I in the UFO Casebook forum? I feel as if I entered a skeptic forum suddenly.

Did I not say that Roswell had not happened yet and nobody was in the biz of faking UFOs in 1945?

Before you all comment, read the addresses supplied. You just now for the first time saw the above photos but are taking no time to really do a lengthy looksee unless you've already read all of the pages regarding the pictures, which includes the following.

1945 Jack LeMonde UFO Photo Analysis
http://www.nidsci.org/news/images/photo3.jpg
http://www.nidsci.org/news/lemonde.php
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/latestadditions/photo81.htm

The LeMonde UFO/Light Fixture Debate: Update August 2001
http://www.nidsci.org/news/lemonde_update.php
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Yep, I'm a skeptic on that one whatever article you show me (real skeptics don't read articles). I'm not an expert on street lamps though.
But, even if it were a UFO, I find it no resemblance with any drone I've seen so far.
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Post by Latitude on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:43am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:30am, MarkM wrote:
Well, Alex, what can I say? There are many scientists and engineers that have gone on record with quite the opposite opinion. Here are a couple to get you started:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1284&category=Environment
I believe the professor will also be interviewed on C2C Friday. There are several more, you'll just need to read through the threads.


With Alex's poor grammer he obviously has no ability to pass judgement on the Isaac documents. More likely he's a one off, hit and runner from ATS.

In other words, *PLONK*
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:45am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:29am, castles4me wrote:
You say that the antigrav and A2 and A3 pieces are grey? They look black to me.

I would say they're dark green.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:53am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:29am, castles4me wrote:
I think that the background that they used for the antigrav photos was fluorescent lighting from all angles, which can explain the shadow being more "all around" because the lighting came from all angles. The blue could be from the lighting as well.


I would like to see the arrays of fluorescent lights to put out that many lums... scientists like to keep it simple, just take a photo of it on the bench or ground.

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:29am, castles4me wrote:
You say that the antigrav and A2 and A3 pieces are grey? They look black to me. And.... being that these items are alien items.... there very well could be a blue mixed in with their black in the making of the item. -- kind of a blue-ish black substance that they used to make them with. Also, they could be eminating some sort of power field, whether ionic, plasmic, microwave or whatever that could give it a glow different from any human made object. If the pieces can hover in the air because the language on them activates them, it wouldn't be too hard to believe that they give off a different shadow than any human object does.


In the photos, the components appear to be a high gloss "charcoal gray" or near black gray. It could all be black and it is the gloss that gives the appearance of being slightly lighter in color.... we can get into color mixes, Kulbelka-Munk math as to what happen when you mix black and blue together... the affect of absorption is greater than scatter... but this is going to be some what like trying to explain how small a gamma-ray is... I don't think I want to go there.

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:29am, castles4me wrote:
I don't think you can really prove anything with this one way or another.


I think we can agree on that... in light that no one has been able to prove any thing with this, one way or anther. All we can do is to ask questions and see where they take us.

I think it would be interesting if we were to try a number of theories on the drones...
1. All of these are real.
2. All of these are fake.
3. (At least) One of these is fake.
4. (At least) One of these is real.

and on Isaac:

1. Isaac is real.
2. Isaac is fake.

Then set about to disprove all of these theories and see where it takes us. It would be an interesting trip.

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:03pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:23am, AlexK wrote:
I don't know what is about photos and diagrams in the Isaac's package but the "report" is not written by professional researcher. Doesn't matter what it contains but it's rather assay of journalist than real scientific report.


I think you're confusing this with some kind of lab academic report. This is absolutely, without question the form and content one would expect from an executive-facing departmental report. In fact I would go as far as to say the author is trying to fit the writing into a 'standard template' that would be expected for the quarterly reports (seems a bit over verbose and a tad repetitive on some points, which is consistent with writing reports to a template). It is both excellent and practiced report writing.

Quote:
Sorry, but the "report" is hoax. undecided

Heh - gonna take a lot more than that to have anyone disregard the report as falsified. The report is the most convincing bit of ufo disclosure to date, in my opinion. Other academics and writing professionals have chimed in similarly, so we're going to need some real evidence to discredit it.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:05pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:18am, starsigndavid wrote:
.Quick question: Is intergalactic travel generally considered impossible, even by more open-minded officianadoes? I realize the distances involved are beyond enormous, but I was curious if the same, more "elegant" theories on warping space and such could also apply to intergalactic distances.


Some are trying to figure it out, but the loudest ones you'll here are from the Earthbound Mentality types that can't see past the Moon.
Since there has been the discovery of a City under 250 ft of water off India, pottery, bones ect. I wonder what kind of lame ideas they will have about that.It's said to be 9,500 years old.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:06pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:43am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
But, even if it were a UFO, I find it no resemblance with any drone I've seen so far.


Possibly a 62 year time difference might make the difference why the more recent drones don't look like the one in the picture.

The Birmingham drone looks nothing like the Big Basin drone and the Chad and Capitola drones don't look like the Big Basin and Birmingham drones.
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Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:07pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:29am, castles4me wrote:
I think that the background that they used for the antigrav photos was fluorescent lighting from all angles, which can explain the shadow being more "all around" because the lighting came from all angles. The blue could be from the lighting as well. You say that the antigrav and A2 and A3 pieces are grey? They look black to me. And.... being that these items are alien items.... there very well could be a blue mixed in with their black in the making of the item. -- kind of a blue-ish black substance that they used to make them with. Also, they could be eminating some sort of power field, whether ionic, plasmic, microwave or whatever that could give it a glow different from any human made object. If the pieces can hover in the air because the language on them activates them, it wouldn't be too hard to believe that they give off a different shadow than any human object does. I don't think you can really prove anything with this one way or another.
BEST I have HERD ON THE SHADOWS. AND WHY. I DONT THINK THAT THOUGHT CAN BE TOPED. UNLESS SOME ONE PROVE ALL OF THIS A HOAX. wink
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:07pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:53am, bakosawa wrote:
It would be an interesting trip.


LOL! I thought this is what we were doing? And yes, it's been quite the ride!

ATO, my response to the horse/drone pic was an acknowledgment that it did indeed look like a lamp. I'm not suggesting that it is, nor that it's a hoax. As to fake UFO's before Roswell, I'd have to research that one. That was before the days of CGI, but they certainly had plenty of pie plates smiley!

I saw a program last night on the Texas "Air Ships" and specifically the Aurora crash in 1897. Fascinating story and well before Roswell in 1947. So many people think it all started with Roswell, so this might be a real eye opener.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Aurora.html
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:09pm

Yesterday I propounded a theory, and I guess people missed it.

I believe, there will not be ANY MORE drone sightings.

WHY? Because, as cloaked devices, they were made visible by the HAARP grid. The HAARP grid has been turned OFF OVER where they were sighted.

There is no longer a white milky sky over Capitola, Big Basin, Saratoga. (Did you notice, the white (chemtrailed) sky behind drones in nearly every instance?) Chemtrails are OFF over Northern California right now.

The Feds having turned HAARP OFF, drones will no longer be seen to materialize due to cloaking failures.

That's my theory. Now, shoot me down.

: ) Chai
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Fencesitter on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:11pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:53am, bakosawa wrote:
I think it would be interesting if we were to try a number of theories on the drones...
1. All of these are real.
2. All of these are fake.
3. (At least) One of these is fake.
4. (At least) One of these is real.

and on Isaac:

1. Isaac is real.
2. Isaac is fake.

Then set about to disprove all of these theories and see where it takes us. It would be an interesting trip.


Heh - so what do you think has been going on for the last 300 pages of posts? Lots of speculation and tangents mixed in, for sure, but some good science on all these topics too. I know it's not easy to go back and read it all, but I think people are just tired of repeating the same things over and over, so the clear answers you want to specific questions are just not getting posted again.

If I wasn't so damn lazy I'd try to pull it all together in a nice succinct, concise summary, to see what still needs some attention, but I can't see that happening without a *lot* more coffee... wink

*EDIT*

Quickly looking back, I think people have been pretty exhaustive at attacking this from all angles... I can't think of any particular type of investigation (given the materials we have) that has been missed... anyone else? Has something been overlooked?
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:17pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:53am, bakosawa wrote:
I would like to see the arrays of fluorescent lights to put out that many lums... scientists like to keep it simple, just take a photo of it on the bench or ground.



In the photos, the components appear to be a high gloss "charcoal gray" or near black gray. It could all be black and it is the gloss that gives the appearance of being slightly lighter in color.... we can get into color mixes, Kulbelka-Munk math as to what happen when you mix black and blue together... the affect of absorption is greater than scatter... but this is going to be some what like trying to explain how small a gamma-ray is... I don't think I want to go there.



I think we can agree on that... in light that no one has been able to prove any thing with this, one way or anther. All we can do is to ask questions and see where they take us.

I think it would be interesting if we were to try a number of theories on the drones...
1. All of these are real.
2. All of these are fake.
3. (At least) One of these is fake.
4. (At least) One of these is real.

and on Isaac:

1. Isaac is real.
2. Isaac is fake.

Then set about to disprove all of these theories and see where it takes us. It would be an interesting trip.
I WAS THING THE SAME WAY LAST NITE. AGREED BY ME. THAT WILL SEPARATE A LOT.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by LangLee on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:21pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:23am, AlexK wrote:
grin
Let me drop bit of scepsis in this common big jar of excitement. Honestly, I'm caught too.

I don't know what is about photos and diagrams in the Isaac's package but the "report" is not written by professional researcher. Doesn't matter what it contains but it's rather assay of journalist than real scientific report.

Any scientific report on done studies should have at least contextual hierarchy of: objectives & targets; matherials and methods (what; where and when), description of simple work results and conclusions.

Sorry, but the "report" is hoax. undecided


Thank you, we've had other's say totally different.
If everything was given then you'r argument has merit, but since we have the info we have it's all inconclusive.
But I do like your conviction that it's a hoax, not.
There simply isn't enough info, and NO ONE has proven it, saying hoax is only saying hoax without proof. I don't know that it's real or fake but I wouldn't throw stuff out like that with no proof at all.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:24pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:07pm, MarkM wrote:
LOL! I thought this is what we were doing? And yes, it's been quite the ride!

ATO, my response to the horse/drone pic was an acknowledgment that it did indeed look like a lamp. I'm not suggesting that it is, nor that it's a hoax. As to fake UFO's before Roswell, I'd have to research that one. That was before the days of CGI, but they certainly had plenty of pie plates smiley!

I saw a program last night on the Texas "Air Ships" and specifically the Aurora crash in 1897. Fascinating story and well before Roswell in 1947. So many people think it all started with Roswell, so this might be a real eye opener.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Aurora.html
I WHACHED SOME OF THAT TO ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL. WANTED TO POST THE SAME. WISH THEY WOULD LET THEM IN THAT FENCE PROPERTY. THEIR IS SUPOSED TO BE EVIDENCE OF THE CRASHED CRAFT , AND A BODY>
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:31pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:09pm, Shechaiyah wrote:
Yesterday I propounded a theory, and I guess people missed it.

I believe, there will not be ANY MORE drone sightings.

WHY? Because, as cloaked devices, they were made visible by the HAARP grid. The HAARP grid has been turned OFF OVER where they were sighted.

There is no longer a white milky sky over Capitola, Big Basin, Saratoga. (Did you notice, the white (chemtrailed) sky behind drones in nearly every instance?) Chemtrails are OFF over Northern California right now.

The Feds having turned HAARP OFF, drones will no longer be seen to materialize due to cloaking failures.

That's my theory. Now, shoot me down.

: ) Chai
ICAN GO WITH THAT . AND IF IT DID NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY, WHOM EVER HAS CORRECTED THE MISTAKE ANY WAY.SO EITHER WAY YOU ARE RIGHT WE WANT BE ABLE TO SEE ANY MORE. UNLESS A NEW MISSTAKE HAPPENS.
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Post by Keith on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:32pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:22am, bakosawa wrote:
Hi Beenie...

Someone I know has a setup in a huge basement... maybe a 40 foot wide section is set up like this... in... white... (maybe he's Isaac) rolleyes grin

How large is the anit-grav device? How large of an area would one need to create the photo with the anti-grav device... and is it logical to assume that this Lab would create such a thing when you can just place the machine on the ground and take a picture of it (like the rings)? They are scientist, not artist.

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They would need a large light box....

Besides... I think the light box budget was redirected to a copy machine paper shortage. grin


Typically. tungsten bulbs are red shifted. Blue gels are used in front of the lights to brings the color balance back to white. So, back in the old days of color film, blue was the fix for indoor/artificial lighting. Same goes for video/motion picture lighting. Nowadays, the digital world corrects color balance. On the type of film used, Kodachrome was the best color rendition while Ektachrome could generate a BLUE cast if not perfectly exposed and development temperatures weren't held to +/- 1/2 degree. I developed and printed B/W back in the 60's, then tried color. Gave up on processing my own Ektachrome due to the blue cast.



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Post by Fencesitter on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:35pm


This is a fun question!

I would suspect that there is a baseline energy cost to 'folding' space, and then an additional cost based on how far you're going. I think it's reasonable to expect that a typical craft could not generate *infinite* amounts of energy, so there would be a limit on how far it could travel in a particular "jump" (if that's even the way it works).

If Isaac is indeed real, this would be one of the first questions I would want to ask. How interstellar travel works (as far as he may or may not know anyway), and if he heard any 'scuttlebutt' about the possibilities of inter-galactic travel. Maybe intergalactic travel (if it's possible even for our advanced friends) requires enormous wormhole generators at each end or some such thing...

Certainly is a fun one to think about!
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Post by MarkM on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:40pm

Thanks for your input, Keith. We really appreciate your professionalism. Might the age of the original photo - that is deterioration of color - and the fact that what we have is a scan, make a difference as well? I have photos from that time period that have been effected even though they've been sitting in boxes and not exposed to light. I think it's important to remember that these photos may be two decades old and therefore the photographic integrity somewhat compromised.
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Post by want2bleive on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:52pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:35pm, Fencesitter wrote:
This is a fun question!

I would suspect that there is a baseline energy cost to 'folding' space, and then an additional cost based on how far you're going. I think it's reasonable to expect that a typical craft could not generate *infinite* amounts of energy, so there would be a limit on how far it could travel in a particular "jump" (if that's even the way it works).

If Isaac is indeed real, this would be one of the first questions I would want to ask. How interstellar travel works (as far as he may or may not know anyway), and if he heard any 'scuttlebutt' about the possibilities of inter-galactic travel. Maybe intergalactic travel (if it's possible even for our advanced friends) requires enormous wormhole generators at each end or some such thing...

Certainly is a fun one to think about!


Why not, let's have aliitle fun w/ this. Maybe the drone is the end of a wormhole like a gate/gateway and the BB is a multi gateway w/ the largest hole having a power generator attach to open the worm hole and that's the thing hanging down.

OK case solved everybody can go home........
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Post by StayFocused on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:23pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:52pm, want2bleive wrote:
Why not, let's have aliitle fun w/ this. Maybe the drone is the end of a wormhole like a gate/gateway and the BB is a multi gateway w/ the largest hole having a power generator attach to open the worm hole and that's the thing hanging down.

OK case solved everybody can go home........


I think the cage on the drones is a giant bug catcher for capturing humans and taking them to Zeta Reticuli for cheap human labor.
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:28pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:09pm, Shechaiyah wrote:
Yesterday I propounded a theory, and I guess people missed it.

I believe, there will not be ANY MORE drone sightings.

WHY? Because, as cloaked devices, they were made visible by the HAARP grid. The HAARP grid has been turned OFF OVER where they were sighted.

There is no longer a white milky sky over Capitola, Big Basin, Saratoga. (Did you notice, the white (chemtrailed) sky behind drones in nearly every instance?) Chemtrails are OFF over Northern California right now.

The Feds having turned HAARP OFF, drones will no longer be seen to materialize due to cloaking failures.

That's my theory. Now, shoot me down.

: ) Chai

I've noticed we don't see anymore chemtrails over Paris. It must have stopped about a year ago. I remember last summer where I could see many and it's completely over now. I wasn't very sure chemtrails were a real thing, I thought a possible explanation was the increasing number of airplanes nowadays. Now that I can observe they're no longer in the sky, I have to admit there was something unusual.
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Post by want2bleive on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:35pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:23pm, StayFocused wrote:
I think the cage on the drones is a giant bug catcher for capturing humans and taking them to Zeta Reticuli for cheap human labor.


Look at it like a BB doorway to the BB galactic network

The top looks like a BB channel selector/ connection to the net
The bottom looks like a power source/generator for the device
The other rings maybe for the actual transfers

Think of it as a piece of hardware to connect to the galactic internet
It’s our own welcome mat to the universe.
The mayans had a game to get a ball through a ring sounds familiar.

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:41pm


bakosawa, can you settle with that idea of Keith's?

on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:32pm, Keith wrote:
Typically. tungsten bulbs are red shifted. Blue gels are used in front of the lights to brings the color balance back to white. So, back in the old days of color film, blue was the fix for indoor/artificial lighting. Same goes for video/motion picture lighting. Nowadays, the digital world corrects color balance. On the type of film used, Kodachrome was the best color rendition while Ektachrome could generate a BLUE cast if not perfectly exposed and development temperatures weren't held to +/- 1/2 degree. I developed and printed B/W back in the 60's, then tried color. Gave up on processing my own Ektachrome due to the blue cast.

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Post by starsigndavid on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:45pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:05pm, LangLee wrote:
[quote author=starsigndavid link=board=general&num=1185325613&start=146#9 date=1185463120]
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Some are trying to figure it out, but the loudest ones you'll here are from the Earthbound Mentality types that can't see past the Moon.
Since there has been the discovery of a City under 250 ft of water off India, pottery, bones ect. I wonder what kind of lame ideas they will have about that.It's said to be 9,500 years old.


There is an internal logic to what you say about this issue. IF time/space/fabric can be bent or manipulated, then I suppose it makes no difference whether it is inter- or intra-galactic travel. On your second point, I do feel that we have other sentient beings cohabiting with us here, whether visitors, a parallel line of evolution or our pregenitors, we are not alone.
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Post by AlexK on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:48pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:30am, MarkM wrote:
...Here are a couple to get you started:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1284&category=Environment
I believe the professor will also be interviewed on C2C Friday. There are several more, you'll just need to read through the threads.

Thanks.
Could you give me please <<Engineertype link from ATS>> too?
I'm agree with Arthur A. Reyes: <<I feel Isaac's
diagrammatic notation is more important than any other aspect of his website or this emerging story. >>
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:51pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:48pm, AlexK wrote:
Thanks.
Could you give me please <<Engineertype link from ATS>> too?
I'm agree with Arthur A. Reyes: <<I feel Isaac's
diagrammatic notation is more important than any other aspect of his website or this emerging story. >>


Here ya go.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread289007/pg125
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Post by castles4me on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:54pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:23pm, OnlookerDelay wrote:
MarkM, You linked to an ATS Forum post from a poster named "Engineering Type". That was the best break-down of the Isaac CARET document that I've seen. This guy sounds like he had an epiphany that has rocked his foundations. It helped me get a new perspective on the document and is definitely worth reading. Here's a link for those who may have missed it earlier. I can't recommend it highly enough!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread289007/pg125


Hi Alex, welcome to the forum -- above is the link for the critique of the PACL documents from an engineer that posted on Above Top Secret's forum....

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 26th, 2007, 2:18pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:32pm, Keith wrote:
Typically. tungsten bulbs are red shifted. Blue gels are used in front of the lights to brings the color balance back to white. So, back in the old days of color film, blue was the fix for indoor/artificial lighting. Same goes for video/motion picture lighting. Nowadays, the digital world corrects color balance. On the type of film used, Kodachrome was the best color rendition while Ektachrome could generate a BLUE cast if not perfectly exposed and development temperatures weren't held to +/- 1/2 degree. I developed and printed B/W back in the 60's, then tried color. Gave up on processing my own Ektachrome due to the blue cast.



on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:41pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
bakosawa, can you settle with that idea of Keith's?



A "blue" filter at the light source is an option (our vis-light spectrophotometers use this)... but in the lab it's cheaper to use the filter on your camera lens... if you use the lens filter, you will not notice any blueness to the photos. If you use them at the light souce or the lens... I cannot see how Isaac's photos were done this way.

But this also brings us to the question, were the anti-grav photos taken with a 35mm or by a digital camera?

Since CCD bloom is caused by the either old tech digital cameras and some lens... if the Ty - Isaac photos are demonstrating the same light bleed over (at the same hue or wavelengths)... it even sounds like someone is backing the idea that the same camera was used for both sets of photos... due to having the same bleed over signatures due to bright backgrounds. But to be fair... bloom affects very small regions like boarders... and not whole objects or areas as in blue backgrounds or "feelers" (except if over enlarged). I think we may need to look elsewhere for the alternate answer. But let's wait and see what the experts say.


http://www.photomacrography2.net/photomacrography/Articles/Chromatic/chrom_abs.htm
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Post by want2bleive on Jul 26th, 2007, 2:37pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:35pm, want2bleive wrote:
Look at it like a BB doorway to the BB galactic network

The top looks like a BB channel selector/ connection to the net
The bottom looks like a power source/generator for the device
The other rings maybe for the actual transfers

Think of it as a piece of hardware to connect to the galactic internet
It’s our own welcome mat to the universe.
The mayans had a game to get a ball through a ring sounds familiar.


and last but not least, the writing on the panel on BB, all craft called the lingustic primer is not a primer but a universal road map and set of instructions just in case you finger fumbled your distination and pop out the other side of no where, got lost or get there by mistake. You could read the directions "you are here" and here's the map to help you get back on track. All of the smaller drone are advertising how to get to the BB like a http:// link "click here to find the BB" doorway to the universe. by the way I think it could transport any number of thing biological or non-biological.

you know I started this out as a play on words but it's starting to make sense...spooky in a 6th sense kind of way...
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by nekitamo on Jul 26th, 2007, 3:07pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:35am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Am I in the UFO Casebook forum? I feel as if I entered a skeptic forum suddenly.


They say that "under a microscope there is no indication of a supporting structure of any kind", but after some playing with light levels this is what I get:

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So it's either an archaic drone dangling from the wires that looks exactly like that lamp... or it's a lamp. Take your pick...
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Post by MarkM on Jul 26th, 2007, 3:33pm

I've been thinking (always a dangerous thing wink) about the massive amount of CGI investigation that's been done - here and on OM - and I'd just like to share a few thoughts:

With enough artistic skill and todays advanced graphic programs, I can replicate a photograph taken during the Civil War. I can also, with an extra dash of creativity, create a document that looks like a letter that was written during that same War. My ability to replicate something that already exists in history, does not negate the reality of the event itself. My hoaxed photo is not evidence that there were no genuine photos taken during the Civil War. My letter to home does not mean that all letters from that same time period are fake. All it means is that I have the tools and the talent to fake something myself. That's all the exercise proves. Thankfully, in regard to the Civil War, we have witnesses who have spoken of the events that transpired. Unless, of course, they were all actors, part of a great conspiracy. My point is this - I have no first hand experience of this event. I wasn't there, nor were any of my friends. If I were bound and determined to reject the reality of the Civil War, and my only criteria of proof were photographic and anecdotal evidence, I could - based on today's resources - argue this crazy idea. If you think that this is a far fetched example, sadly, there are those who are doing just that in regard to the holocaust. Back to our drones ....

While it's necessary to examine the evidence in detail, it's also important - and I use the above as an example - to examine the whole event. I think this is why it's frustrating to see individuals get stuck in the "CGI Rut". Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think that angle has been pretty thoroughly raked over the coals. There is no conclusive proof that the original images are, beyond all doubt, faked. There is proof - as some on other forums are continually demonstrating - that the photos can be replicated (sort of). There is proof that the linguistic primer can be duplicated (sort of). OK, but what answers does that really provide us with?

If you can't get past the photo/graphics hump, may I suggest taking it to a more basic level? Listen to the witness testimony. Read what the experts have to say in regard to the plausibility of the technology. View this entire drones enigma as one "picture". More importantly, look at it in context with other indicators of ET involvement with our culture. Does it fit? Is it possible?

At some point I think that we have to step away from the microscope and turn to the telescope instead. A drop of water can be endlessly fascinating, but not nearly as fascinating as the ocean.

At the end of the day, I think we'll all come out stronger for this entire exercise. At the very least - think of all the new friends we've made!

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 26th, 2007, 3:35pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 2:40pm, StayFocused wrote:


I agree with StayFocused... (just cut back on the coffee... a little grin).

I know I am not looked upon with kind eyes, because of my approach .

I have suggested a scientific approach... and to approach this from all angles… theorize if it real, theorize if it is fake. Once you come up with the theory… try to disprove the theory (what ever side you take). I do not suggest to blindly accept everything posted… by myself or anyone else. Test it, then test it again.

It does not matter which side of the debate you side with, neither side has anything to fear… except the truth (that is, if one is not looking for the truth).

And would like thank the Forum for allowing all view points and opinions to be (civilly) discussed. I have learned a great deal here… and there are a lot of good folks here. Hopefully, the "wheat will separated from the chaff" and we will know the answers to the questions we are asking.

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 3:41pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 3:35pm, bakosawa wrote:
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Speaking of which, what is your comment on Keith's comment about the blue overtones that exceed beyond the shadows?
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Nephilim on Jul 26th, 2007, 3:44pm

I agree with MarkM.

You cannot look only at the photos themselves while negating all the other factors. If you are doing this in a step-by-step proceedure, then fair enough, now work on all the other details of the case to make your whole conclusion. But to stay with one detail only and base a conclusion off of this alone, I think is what is not settling well with some.

nekitamo:
I'm sorry I do not see where you are going with the 1945 picture. I think you are looking at a photo from 1945, there will be many such spots in an old photo like that, heck crystal clear photos have not really been achieved untill recently with the digital cameras.

I see that the lamp looks similar to the UFO, but that doesn't mean they are in fact the same thing. It is easy to find a look alike object for anything if one tries hard enough.

I think a negative of the 1945 photo would solve that case as the UFO would either be there, or not. If not, then perhaps someone photoshoped it in at a later date. if the UFO IS in the negative, then it's a UFO, IMO.
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 26th, 2007, 3:54pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 2:18pm, bakosawa wrote:
But this also brings us to the question, were the anti-grav photos taken with a 35mm or by a digital camera?

Spf33 on Open Minds forum "proved" the anti-gravity device was photographed with a 35mm.
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Post by agentmulder on Jul 26th, 2007, 4:33pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 3:54pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
Spf33 on Open Minds forum "proved" the anti-gravity device was photographed with a 35mm.
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That refers to a 35mm lens not a 35mm camera! wink
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by castles4me on Jul 26th, 2007, 5:34pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 1:23pm, StayFocused wrote:
I think the cage on the drones is a giant bug catcher for capturing humans and taking them to Zeta Reticuli for cheap human labor.


Sounds like an Italian pasta dish.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 26th, 2007, 5:47pm

on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:10pm, Fencesitter wrote:
I don't know where you're getting your color sample data from, but Photoshop disagrees:

I obtained values ranging from 220-228 all around the perimeter of the I-Beams using the Eyedropper tool (photos taken directly from fotunecity without edit). Nothing in the shadows came near the hue level you're saying you obtained (somehow). No offence, but I think you're simply trying to eyeball a color match and calling it authoritative.


I am not calling it authoritative...

Did you run the same thing on the hi-res blue sections?

I would like to see the post on it too please.

Edit... BTW, that is the same method I used with Paintbrush...
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 26th, 2007, 5:57pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 02:36am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
I think that's what happened to me about the Majestic documents, I read somewhere they were fake and stopped trying to know more about. But now I've added a link to the website where they are and I'm going to investigate them by myself.


This is an issue that bothers me... once something (let's say) Majestic is deemed fake... does that mean everything Majestic is fake?

I believe some folks think this way.
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 26th, 2007, 6:08pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 5:57pm, bakosawa wrote:
This is an issue that bothers me... once something (let's say) Majestic is deemed fake... does that mean everything Majestic is fake?

I believe some folks think this way.

No, because they've found that one of the eleven document tested was real (written by the person who signed)... The more I think about this test, the more I find it biased.
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Post by LangLee on Jul 26th, 2007, 6:10pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:11am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
It is a street lamp!


Over the cars.....yes, it's supported.
Over the horses' mane, forward of the bedroll in the background on the other horse.....not a street lamp.
That is flatland, you can see a telephone pole behind the horses butt. There isn't suddenly a huge hill behind them.
We don't have floating streetlamps now, sure didn't in '45.
Now I must admit it does look like the lamp in the picture. Ugly as it is I would've flung that baby too, maybe someone did just as the picture was taken.
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Post by LangLee on Jul 26th, 2007, 6:16pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 6:08pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
No, because they've found that one of the eleven document tested was real (written by the person who signed)... The more I think about this test, the more I find it biased.


Yesterday someone posted a link to a story about that deal.
Something like you pay $19.95, it's a something to do with a book, I'll go see if I can find.
I read it at 2:30 am, letters were just bouncing off of my eyeballs.
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 6:41pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 5:47pm, bakosawa wrote:
.


Bakosawa: What I said earlier you didn't get. Did you agree with Keith's finding was my question.

Keith said: tungsten bulbs are red shifted. Blue gels are used in front of the lights to brings the color balance back to white. So, back in the old days of color film, blue was the fix for indoor/artificial lighting. Same goes for video/motion picture lighting. Nowadays, the digital world corrects color balance. On the type of film used, Kodachrome was the best color rendition while Ektachrome could generate a BLUE cast if not perfectly exposed and development temperatures weren't held to +/- 1/2 degree. I developed and printed B/W back in the 60's, then tried color. Gave up on processing my own Ektachrome due to the blue cast.
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Post by jugement on Jul 26th, 2007, 6:42pm

Today NASA;REPORTS SABOTAGE OF SPACE COMPUTER,ALSO ASTONAUGHTS, AND ALCHOHOL WHILE ON MISSION IN SPACE.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 26th, 2007, 6:54pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 08:00am, DrDil wrote:
Bakosawa, I fear you misunderstood my intentions.


Unfortunately... I am at a location during the day where some sites are blocked and I can not see the photos... embarassed Sorry.

Interesting idea. If shot out of an 135mm camera on a blue mat, where did the blue go around the outer perimeter?


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Post by DrDil on Jul 26th, 2007, 7:33pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 6:54pm, bakosawa wrote:


Unfortunately... I am at a location during the day where some sites are blocked and I can not see the photos... embarassed Sorry.

Interesting idea. If shot out of an 135mm camera on a blue mat, where did the blue go around the outer perimeter?


Perhaps the mat (or blue lighting) didn’t stretch the length of the floor, but only as far as the device.

You didn’t answer my question though as to whether you thought this idea might have been used as a practical solution to counter the effects of the shadows, for purposes of clarity.

Or is this unheard of or impossible, I genuinely don’t know, that question was the intention of the original post.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 26th, 2007, 7:51pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 7:33pm, DrDil wrote:
Perhaps the mat (or blue lighting) didn’t stretch the length of the floor, but only as far as the device.

You didn’t answer my question though as to whether you thought this idea might have been used as a practical solution to counter the effects of the shadows, for purposes of clarity.

Or is this unheard of or impossible, I genuinely don’t know, that question was the intention of the original post.


If it is a mat, I can not detect the borders of the mat... it fades into white (nor the wall corners you proposed). If the blue is caused by lighting, one would think the white lettering would reflect the same blue color as the white floor. I can not resolve this (as a photo), but was hoping someone else could.

If no one can resolve it, what are we left with?
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Post by DrDil on Jul 26th, 2007, 7:57pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 7:51pm, bakosawa wrote:
If it is a mat, I can not detect the borders of the mat... it fades into white (nor the wall corners you proposed). If the blue is caused by lighting, one would think the white lettering would reflect the same blue color as the white floor.


If it was lit from below, that wouldn’t necessarily affect the lettering. But I guess it’s a stretch, did you see ATO’s post?

on Jul 26th, 2007, 6:41pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Bakosawa: What I said earlier you didn't get. Did you agree with Keith's finding was my question.

Keith said: tungsten bulbs are red shifted. Blue gels are used in front of the lights to brings the color balance back to white. So, back in the old days of color film, blue was the fix for indoor/artificial lighting. Same goes for video/motion picture lighting. Nowadays, the digital world corrects color balance. On the type of film used, Kodachrome was the best color rendition while Ektachrome could generate a BLUE cast if not perfectly exposed and development temperatures weren't held to +/- 1/2 degree. I developed and printed B/W back in the 60's, then tried color. Gave up on processing my own Ektachrome due to the blue cast.
.

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Post by chemicaldave on Jul 26th, 2007, 8:34pm

Speaking of lamps, let me stir up the pot really well by saying that the circled object in the hi-res picture looks an awful lot like a chain with an electric cord threaded through it from an old chandelier. Maybe not CG after all but a good model. Maybe 24-36 inches in diameter. Did anything think about the scale of the pieces in the "inventory" picture from Isaac? It looks like they are sitting on ceramic or concrete tiles, which would make them maybe 12-24" in diameter.


Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 26th, 2007, 8:47pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 8:34pm, chemicaldave wrote:
Did anything think about the scale of the pieces in the "inventory" picture from Isaac? It looks like they are sitting on ceramic or concrete tiles, which would make them maybe 12-24" in diameter.


Hi Chemicaldave, yes, there was extensive dialogue regarding the concrete slabs in relation to the parts. I think the range you quote was pretty much the consensus by those familiar with that type of tarmac. If you go back through the earlier threads - I know, quite a task - you can find some very specific measurements.
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Post by urantia606 on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:04pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 8:47pm, MarkM wrote:
Hi Chemicaldave, yes, there was extensive dialogue regarding the concrete slabs in relation to the parts. I think the range you quote was pretty much the consensus by those familiar with that type of tarmac. If you go back through the earlier threads - I know, quite a task - you can find some very specific measurements.


Mark, I get the feeling you really did not read Dave's post too clearly.

12 - 24".....inches?? Ceramic tiles??
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Post by ABCStore on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:05pm

[Off-topic]
Could someone PLEASE record the C2C radio show tomorrow night and share it with us in any audio format? I'm pretty sure it will be available at ConspiracyCentral, but just in case...
[/Off-topic]

ABC
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:19pm

Don't they make it still available to listen to after they record. I think they do. I'll check.
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Post by MarkM on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:29pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:04pm, urantia606 wrote:
Mark, I get the feeling you really did not read Dave's post too clearly.

12 - 24".....inches?? Ceramic tiles??


Whoops!!! You're right - I read it as feet - my bad smiley! Thank you for the correction.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:39pm

hey all;I Think we have just about done it so far on the drones. what do you think next will be the big issue someone riding in a ship with (ET) and have it on dvd? grin
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by MarkM on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:45pm

Wouldn't that be something, jugement! Think we might open some eyes with that? Naaahhh ...... wink
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by jugement on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:52pm

hey mark; IT IS ABOUT TIME, not to rush(ET) I have already let him or them know they are the boss. wink
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Lok on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:13pm

It's nice to see a dedicated section for drones. smiley Will we be able to start new threads here?
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Post by jugement on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:17pm

ONE DAY OR NIGHT THEY WILL LET US KNOW WHAT PART WE ARE IN THEIR PLAN. SOON ,THEY HAVE TO. TAKE CARE ALL OF YOU. cool
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Post by oljack666 on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:37pm

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:13pm, Whane The Whip wrote:
It's nice to see a dedicated section for drones. smiley Will we be able to start new threads here?


I'm afraid not. Just PM me with your idea, title, etc.
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 27th, 2007, 03:06am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 8:34pm, chemicaldave wrote:
Speaking of lamps, let me stir up the pot really well by saying that the circled object in the hi-res picture looks an awful lot like a chain with an electric cord threaded through it from an old chandelier. Maybe not CG after all but a good model. Maybe 24-36 inches in diameter. Did anything think about the scale of the pieces in the "inventory" picture from Isaac? It looks like they are sitting on ceramic or concrete tiles, which would make them maybe 12-24" in diameter.


There is NO CGI in that photo with the handsome army guy and his horse! It's only a street lamp attached to wires which are invisible because of the light. Last year, there was a similar case in Germany. We could see a rectangular UFO in the distance. Eventually, it was just a german lamp. I found the link, it will help you understand the case.
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Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 27th, 2007, 03:14am

It says in the article: "Further, behind the horse's neck, close to the saddle can be seen the curved arches of a sign that is over a drive-in movie theater." Well, obviously, no need to spend time on CGI on that one!
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Post by Nephilim on Jul 27th, 2007, 04:38am

I think you folks are totaly overlooking the way life was in the 1940's and trying to compare it with modern times. Think about this for one moment please.

What I gather some of you are saying is: that someone attempted to go through great strides to perpatrate an elaborate hoax of a UFO in the year 1945, a time when the term 'UFO' didn't even exist, had no knowledge that UFOs would one day be the hieght of contraversy and to have their family members [or someone] 62 years later release it to the public so that it may be shoved away in the list of endless UFO photos? rolleyes

They certainly didn't attempt to cash in on it at the time of release. had they, then we would've heard about it long before now.

I think ya'll are 'droned-out' so-to-speak. wink

Is it that hard to accept that it may actually be what it shows? I mean, I would expect this from the average Joe walking down the street, but here of all places you are trying to do this?

Was there talk of outer space beings in 1945? Sure. Was there talk of flying saucers? No.

I'm not saying it is a 100% genuine UFO [even though I lean torwards that], what I am asking is, what's the motive? Unless the photo was taken by a prophetic genius [which I seriously doubt], I'll have to say it is what it is.

Those of you who are not Americans, I'm willing to cut a little bit more slack on this because I wouldn't expect you to realize the culture of the time, but there has to be sort of common sense involved with this, yes? smiley
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Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 27th, 2007, 05:43am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:05pm, ABCStore wrote:
[Off-topic]
Could someone PLEASE record the C2C radio show tomorrow night and share it with us in any audio format? I'm pretty sure it will be available at ConspiracyCentral, but just in case...
[/Off-topic]

ABC


Coast to Coast AM makes all of their broadcasts available in mp3 format as a "podcast" the next day. They are usually available within an hour of the program's completion. What's neat about them is that the commercials and top and bottom of the hour newsbreaks are editted out. You hear nothing but pure program. It cuts the time required to hear a full program by about 30%

The catch is that these podcasts are copyrighted by Premier Radio Networks. You have full access to C2C's podcasts over the last 90 days as a Streamlink member. That will cost you $6.95 for a month, or $26.95 for 6 months. If you're patient, you can hold off until C2C has another "free Streamlink weekend", where any listener can try it free for one weekend. They seem to offer this about once every two months.

BTW, Linda confirms on her Headlines section at Earthfiles.com, that she will be on for the first 2 hours of the program tonight, featuring her drone discussion with the University Professor in Computer Science and Engineering. This professor will go on record, so I guess we will get all the details about his identity. The downside is that will give the debunkers their favorite front from which to attack - the integrity of the messenger. I think the group assembled here is mostly equipped to recognize that and factor it in.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 27th, 2007, 07:24am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 6:41pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Bakosawa: What I said earlier you didn't get. Did you agree with Keith's finding was my question.

Keith said: tungsten bulbs are red shifted. Blue gels are used in front of the lights to brings the color balance back to white. So, back in the old days of color film, blue was the fix for indoor/artificial lighting. Same goes for video/motion picture lighting. Nowadays, the digital world corrects color balance. On the type of film used, Kodachrome was the best color rendition while Ektachrome could generate a BLUE cast if not perfectly exposed and development temperatures weren't held to +/- 1/2 degree. I developed and printed B/W back in the 60's, then tried color. Gave up on processing my own Ektachrome due to the blue cast.
.


Sorry, I'm bad...

Since light is the potential of color (you can not see a color that is not in a light source), it is common to use filters to “color correct” artificial lights to be more “daylight” like. D65, an illuminate that represents a black body radiating at 6500 degrees Kelvin, is a common standard for daylight and has a blue cast when compared to tungsten light (which has an orange-yellow cast). Vis-light spectrophotometers use a blue filter (actually a series of filters) to reproduce a D65 environment from the artificial light source being used (normally, either a quartz-halogen or xenon flash).

If you want to talk about developing color film… a lot can happen in the dark room… that is why you want to see the negatives….

With digital photos… you will want to look at the “raw” image. Each time the photo is handled electronically, resized, edited, etc… artifacts can be added or lost. The original photos of the Ty sighting (or any sighting) may have become “contaminated.”

If one looks at “aa,” the trees in the foreground are in fairly good focus, the trees in the background are out of focus… leading one to believe the focus is in front of the background trees. Yet, if you look at the high-res photo, the drone detail shows that it is in relatively “perfect focus.” That would have to place it in between the two sets of trees… closer to the front set (assuming that it is not added to the photo). That would make the craft fairly small when compared to the reported 80 foot size. It would be great if we could see the whole high-res image. cry
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Post by Marvin on Jul 27th, 2007, 07:48am

Hey ATO...

Did you get any responses from the other photography forum on Isaac's pictures?

I do not see the link.

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 27th, 2007, 08:01am

on Jul 27th, 2007, 07:48am, bakosawa wrote:
Hey ATO...Did you get any responses from the other photography forum on Isaac's pictures?I do not see the link.

Yeah, a lot of ideas on where to buy tin foil hats. I deleted the post.

You never did comment on what Keith said though. If you didn't know it, that's his business is photography.
.

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Post by oljack666 on Jul 27th, 2007, 08:04am



Just an F.Y.I., I unlocked the Isaac #1, #2 and #3 threads. I don't think there is any reason not to post in those for new comers.

The server is wigging right now if you didn't notice. Isaac #4 disappeared off the board completely. I had it on my browser so I got it right back but it was history there for a minute or so. Glad I came in when I did.

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 27th, 2007, 08:42am

on Jul 27th, 2007, 07:24am, bakosawa wrote:
Sorry, I'm bad...

Since light is the potential of color (you can not see a color that is not in a light source), it is common to use filters to “color correct” artificial lights to be more “daylight” like. D65, an illuminate that represents a black body radiating at 6500 degrees Kelvin, is a common standard for daylight and has a blue cast when compared to tungsten light (which has an orange-yellow cast). Vis-light spectrophotometers use a blue filter (actually a series of filters) to reproduce a D65 environment from the artificial light source being used (normally, either a quartz-halogen or xenon flash).

If you want to talk about developing color film… a lot can happen in the dark room… that is why you want to see the negatives….

With digital photos… you will want to look at the “raw” image. Each time the photo is handled electronically, resized, edited, etc… artifacts can be added or lost. The original photos of the Ty sighting (or any sighting) may have become “contaminated.”

If one looks at “aa,” the trees in the foreground are in fairly good focus, the trees in the background are out of focus… leading one to believe the focus is in front of the background trees. Yet, if you look at the high-res photo, the drone detail shows that it is in relatively “perfect focus.” That would have to place it in between the two sets of trees… closer to the front set (assuming that it is not added to the photo). That would make the craft fairly small when compared to the reported 80 foot size. It would be great if we could see the whole high-res image. cry


Keith was talking about the Isaac artifacts. You're in left field with his response. I have no idea where this pertains to the blue in the I-beam picture and other pictures.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 27th, 2007, 08:47am

on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:32pm, Keith wrote:
Typically. tungsten bulbs are red shifted. Blue gels are used in front of the lights to brings the color balance back to white. So, back in the old days of color film, blue was the fix for indoor/artificial lighting. Same goes for video/motion picture lighting. Nowadays, the digital world corrects color balance. On the type of film used, Kodachrome was the best color rendition while Ektachrome could generate a BLUE cast if not perfectly exposed and development temperatures weren't held to +/- 1/2 degree. I developed and printed B/W back in the 60's, then tried color. Gave up on processing my own Ektachrome due to the blue cast.


So, I have nothing to disagree with Keith... I just have to wonder if a government lab in the 80's would spend the extra money to make pretty pictures or would they take photos more like the Q3-85... just sit it on the floor, light it up and snap away. Then, when the “pretty” pictures look weird... you got to ask yourself, why. I have no clue how to create Isaac's photos with film and lighting in the 1980’s... but it can be done digitally. The dark shadows are not the same color (sorry DrDil), so I think we can rule out a blue mat. As one tries to justify each thing, it becomes very complex for a simple lab photo (they would not be trying to win a prize for the most artistic photo of the year). It just does not make sense as we make it more and more complex.


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Post by oljack666 on Jul 27th, 2007, 09:18am


Then as seen above, it should be Keith you are quoting, not me and so I fixed it for you.

Now, to get to the crux of the matter. You brought in a question but when somebody had an answer you danced around it and never really responded to Keith.

There's nothing wrong with presenting your issues, but in all fairness and so that the members know that something may have cancelled out your comment, you're going to have to account for the comments from others at the same time.
.

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Post by Marvin on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:03am

on Jul 27th, 2007, 09:18am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Then as seen above, it should be Keith you are quoting, not me and so I fixed it for you.

Now, to get to the crux of the matter. You brought in a question but when somebody had an answer you danced around it and never really responded to Keith.

There's nothing wrong with presenting your issues, but in all fairness and so that the members know that something may have cancelled out your comment, you're going to have to account for the comments from others at the same time.


Hi ATO

Help me out here and explain the dance. The post have been happening quickly and I thought I was responding to the questions beings asked ( by clicking on the quote button). Give me another shot so that I can clarify. It sounds like I missed something.

Can you restate the question(s)?


Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Latitude on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:08am

on Jul 27th, 2007, 08:47am, bakosawa wrote:
So, I have nothing to disagree with Keith... I just have to wonder if a government lab in the 80's would spend the extra money to make pretty pictures or would they take photos more like the Q3-85...

Why not? I'm sure they had a virtually unlimited budget. These kinds of tools are a pittance compared to the price tag of the entire project. But even that is a small price to pay should the team have even a tiny bit of success.

But keep scratching away. Who may yet find the smoking gun you search for. Wait a minute. I think I found it. On page 2 of Isaac's letter I think one of the (i)s are not dotted. Oh... no, sorry. It's only a dead pixel. wink
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Post by nekitamo on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:19am

[ sarcasm ]

Drone hoax 101 - part one

  • if you don't already have one, go get yourself a good, modern computer with all the latest CAD, 3D, vector and photo editing software. Of course, you'll need a color printer and a scanner, too. And a cellphone.

  • create a 3D model of your drone, trying to make it something alien and never seen before

  • go out and take some cellphone pictures... i.e. of a satellite dish on the roof, park, forest, and so on

  • blend your 3D drone into this pictures, tweaking it a bit here and there with each picture set

  • make some alien-looking font and scribble something random on the underside of the drone, using various sizes and orientations

Wait a minute... this cellphone pictures don't show your new font! Why should you use just cellphone pictures? You are so good at this!

  • go out to the woods again, but this time with a better camera... get some first

  • render some high-resolution images of your new drone from different angles, nicely blended into your new, better forest pictures

  • make at least one picture that shows all the beauty of your new font

  • print your images and scan them back in, for authenticity (don't clean your scanner!)

  • invent some convenient story of how you got this images, using false name (i.e. "Chad")

  • send this story and new images to the C2C site... WTH, throw in one of your cellphone pictures, too

Hehe... it's fun, isn't it? Now, tell them you won't be talking to them again because you're scared. What with those other cellphone pictures, you ask? Well, send them to MUFON, pretending to be a woman. Did they bought it? Oh, it's so funny... let's do some more!

  • borrow an old digital Minolta and take some pictures out in the street

  • tweak your drone a bit more and render some more images, using full resolution this time

  • post your images to Craigslist, pretending you're some guy named Rajman from Capitola, CA

Cr*p... they deleted them! OK, let's try with flikr.com, open an account there and upload them again. Take care you don't spoil the EXIF data! What?! They hacked your flikr account? Well, never mind... someone has already downloaded the pictures, for sure. Now, let's work on your new drone, something real big and ugly. Go get some more of those forest pictures with your new SLR digital camera, OK?


[ /sarcasm ]

Quote:
Wikipedia: Sarcasm from Greek σαρκασμός (sarkasmos), 'mockery, sarcasm' is sneering, jesting, or mocking at a person, situation or thing. It is strongly associated with irony, with some definitions classifying it as a type of verbal irony intended to insult or wound — stating the opposite of the intended meaning, e.g. using "that's fantastic" to mean "that's awful".

It is used mostly in a humorous manner, and is expressed through vocal intonations such as over-emphasizing the actual statement or particular words. Use of sarcasm is sometimes viewed as an expression of concealed anger, annoyance and/or ignorance.

Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by Marvin on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:21am

on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:08am, Latitude wrote:
Why not? I'm sure they had a virtually unlimited budget. These kinds of tools are a pittance compared to the price tag of the entire project. But even that is a small price to pay should the team have even a tiny bit of success.

But keep scratching away. Who may yet find the smoking gun you search for. Wait a minute. I think I found it. On page 2 of Isaac's letter I think one of the (i)s are not dotted. Oh... no, sorry. It's only a dead pixel. wink


Everybody has a budget.
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Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:37am

on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:19am, nekitamo wrote:
Now, let's work on your new drone, something real big and ugly. Go get some more of those forest pictures with your new SLR digital camera, OK?[/color]


You forgot to include:

1.) Prepare a volumnous quarterly briefing document that's impressive enough to withstand weeks of scrutiny without having any of the tangible criticism of it stick, not to mention be authentic looking enough to convince others in the engineering field that it's legitimate.

2.) Draft dozens of credible sounding witnesses to come forth in print and on the air to substantiate your creations, sometimes in advance of your lastest revision being posted to the net.

Piece of cake, right? I don't know why I didn't think of it first! shocked
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Post by nekitamo on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:07am

on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:37am, OnlookerDelay wrote:
You forgot to include:

1.) Prepare a volumnous quarterly briefing document that's impressive enough to withstand weeks of scrutiny without having any of the tangible criticism of it stick, not to mention be authentic looking enough to convince others in the engineering field that it's legitimate.

2.) Draft dozens of credible sounding witnesses to come forth in print and on the air to substantiate your creations, sometimes in advance of your lastest revision being posted to the net.

Piece of cake, right? I don't know why I didn't think of it first! shocked


That's part two material, feel free to continue my story smiley
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Post by Fencesitter on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:10am

on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:21am, bakosawa wrote:
Everybody has a budget.


I've watched product photos of similar quality be produced by an amateur photographer with a few hundred dollars worth of rented lighting and bristol board backings. I can't imagine a very well-funded project/team would have trouble managing the same level of quality quickly and easily.

Bako - can you please summarize your argument for us so we can get a clear understanding of what you're trying to say? Is your concern about the photos due to a color of shadow or something else? The conversation has gone around so many times, I'd just like to have a clear concept of what you're getting at.
Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
Post by oljack666 on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:18am

on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:19am, nekitamo wrote:
Drone hoax 101 - part one
  • create a 3D model of your drone, trying to make it something alien and never seen before


  • And make sure that you have spent countless years in doing so first, because the job you have before you cannot be duplicated thus far by CGI, so that model has got to surpass the work of current day artists.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:20am

    bakosawa hi; I dont know what it is you are prsenting on the pictures. to all that understand what she is doing. whould it not be better if we just let bakosawa finish and then present her conclusion about what she is uncomfortable about. wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:24am

    hey ATO and ALL; NEKITAMO loooook oooooout. ANY NEW IDEAS NEKITAMO.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Fencesitter on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:26am

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:07am, nekitamo wrote:
    That's part two material, feel free to continue my story smiley


    Ever hear of the "10% inspiration, 90% perspiration" rule? Dissecting how this could have been hoaxed is no feat at all. Pulling it off so masterfully, with such inventiveness and cohesion in the documents is the real accomplishment.

    You do the hoaxster(s) a terrible disservice by trivializing the effort and craftsmanship they put into it. Shame on you.

    I hope you have to prepare a project budget and plan someday, and use the same haughty mentality. When you're months overdue and out of money, you'll begin to appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes into producing work of this quality.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:29am

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:24am, jugement wrote:
    hey ATO and ALL; NEKITAMO loooook oooooout. ANY NEW IDEAS NEKITAMO.


    No jugement, Nekitamo has closed his book of lampoonistic comments designed to upset most apple carts.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:34am

    ATO TRUST ME WHEN I READ HIS OR HER POST > ISAID TO MYSELF LOOK OUT > HER COMES ATO>
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:42am

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:34am, jugement wrote:
    ATO TRUST ME WHEN I READ HIS OR HER POST > ISAID TO MYSELF LOOK OUT > HER COMES ATO>


    You know me too well jugement, healthy skepticism, accompanied with discovery is more then welcome - the druther forms opinions designed for the naive and uninformed.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 27th, 2007, 12:12pm


    But beware that Skepticism doesn't derail your interest in what may be a techno-threat so advanced, we don't know how to disarm or deal with it.

    There's always the possibility that it's real and that it fits the objectives of Leadership, to empty this continent.

    huh eh?

    ~*~Shech--
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by figneutron on Jul 27th, 2007, 12:40pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:19am, nekitamo wrote:
    Drone hoax 101 - part one

    • if you don't already have one, go get yourself a good, modern computer with all the latest CAD, 3D, vector and photo editing software. Of course, you'll need a color printer and a scanner, too. And a cellphone.

    • create a 3D model of your drone, trying to make it something alien and never seen before

    • go out and take some cellphone pictures... i.e. of a satellite dish on the roof, park, forest, and so on

    • blend your 3D drone into this pictures, tweaking it a bit here and there with each picture set

    • make some alien-looking font and scribble something random on the underside of the drone, using various sizes and orientations

    Wait a minute... this cellphone pictures don't show your new font! Why should you use just cellphone pictures? You are so good at this!

    • go out to the woods again, but this time with a better camera... get some first

    • render some high-resolution images of your new drone from different angles, nicely blended into your new, better forest pictures

    • make at least one picture that shows all the beauty of your new font

    • print your images and scan them back in, for authenticity (don't clean your scanner!)

    • invent some convenient story of how you got this images, using false name (i.e. "Chad")

    • send this story and new images to the C2C site... WTH, throw in one of your cellphone pictures, too

    Hehe... it's fun, isn't it? Now, tell them you won't be talking to them again because you're scared. What with those other cellphone pictures, you ask? Well, send them to MUFON, pretending to be a woman. Did they bought it? Oh, it's so funny... let's do some more!

    • borrow an old digital Minolta and take some pictures out in the street

    • tweak your drone a bit more and render some more images, using full resolution this time

    • post your images to Craigslist, pretending you're some guy named Rajman from Capitola, CA

    Cr*p... they deleted them! OK, let's try with flikr.com, open an account there and upload them again. Take care you don't spoil the EXIF data! What?! They hacked your flikr account? Well, never mind... someone has already downloaded the pictures, for sure. Now, let's work on your new drone, something real big and ugly. Go get some more of those forest pictures with your new SLR digital camera, OK?



    Oh, Nekitamo, one detail in the story left to be faked: interviews with eyewitnesses to the drones. By the way, this bullshit must be good enough to deceive me a psychologist with 25 years experience, one who has specialized in lying and lie detection, one who has studied hundreds of liars and analyzed thousands of lies committed during face-to-face interviews.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by nekitamo on Jul 27th, 2007, 1:06pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:26am, Fencesitter wrote:
    Ever hear of the "10% inspiration, 90% perspiration" rule? Dissecting how this could have been hoaxed is no feat at all. Pulling it off so masterfully, with such inventiveness and cohesion in the documents is the real accomplishment.

    You do the hoaxster(s) a terrible disservice by trivializing the effort and craftsmanship they put into it. Shame on you.


    Well, excuse me... I forgot to place "sarcasm" tags around my story (fixed). Does it really seem like I'm making this hoax look trivial? I was trying for the exact opposite.

    Quote:
    I hope you have to prepare a project budget and plan someday, and use the same haughty mentality. When you're months overdue and out of money, you'll begin to appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes into producing work of this quality.


    Actually, I just thought of it today, and that made me write this joke afterwards. Probably should have posted it at that other forum.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Fencesitter on Jul 27th, 2007, 1:44pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 1:06pm, nekitamo wrote:
    Well, excuse me... I forgot to place "sarcasm" tags around my story (fixed). Does it really seem like I'm making this hoax look trivial? I was trying for the exact opposite.



    Actually, I just thought of it today, and that made me write this joke afterwards. Probably should have posted it at that other forum.


    Heh - sorry, Nekitamo, I should have used joke tags around mine too. I need to l2smiley wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Jul 27th, 2007, 1:50pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:10am, Fencesitter wrote:
    I've watched product photos of similar quality be produced by an amateur photographer with a few hundred dollars worth of rented lighting and bristol board backings. I can't imagine a very well-funded project/team would have trouble managing the same level of quality quickly and easily.

    Bako - can you please summarize your argument for us so we can get a clear understanding of what you're trying to say? Is your concern about the photos due to a color of shadow or something else? The conversation has gone around so many times, I'd just like to have a clear concept of what you're getting at.


    I’m not very good at this, but here goes….

    Looking at the Ty photos (especially at the high-res) and the Isaac photos, two things just jump out at me… a solid white (lacking detail) background (you just do not see this in photos), and a color of blue… especially looking at the feelers… and the shadow of the anti-grav components.

    It is not easy to get a solid white background that tops the RGB scale, without having variation, somewhere in the field of vision. I can’t do it. In the Ty photos, the trees are in direct sunlight… yet there is no blue sky… like in Steven’s photos. The “feelers” on the Ty high-res show a lack of detail… and parallel lines that "over enlarged" versions of other drones do (at 680% enlargement, I think that is what I did), yet I was showing the size of the high-res only at 100%. In fact, parts of the feelers are just missing. They don’t fade away, they just disappear like they are cut off. The different angles on the Ty craft show that it is a fairly glossy surface… with a “bright” background… there should be strong shadows and a glint or to on an edge… neither is true. The edges look “cut out” on the high-res photo… I do not get the “feel” that I am looking at a real object in the sky. There is debris scanned into the photo… where did it come from? The craft is between the trees in the foreground and the background… making the craft closer to a 8-10 foot model size (assuming it is there and not added).

    The Isaac photos… have the same 100% solid white background that tops the RGB scale. There is odd shadowing that becomes complex to explain… scientist, even if they had a billion dollar budget… just do not have the mentality to be artsy with their photos… just because someone thinks it can be done, does not mean that’s the way they would do it. An artist would think this way, but a scientist is too much “nuts and bolts” people to be making magazine cover photos for a quarterly R&D report. Yes… I do have some experience in this area. There are such things as dead lines with projects and with a ton of work to do (how many pages was the Isaac quarterly report… you have 3 months to do the work, and make the report with very limited manpower... it is not the money)… just set it on the floor and take the darn picture. If they are running a test on the device (where the beams “float”)… do you think they would do this in the safety of the light box? It just does not ring true.

    It is too convenient to be photographing on a undetailed 100% white background… its just too nice of a mat to work on… and the work is not that convincing (when examined at 100% enlargement).

    There is more to cause suspicion than to cause trust with Ty and Isaac. The other drones may hold a key. This is just my opinion… I may be wrong, I may be right… all I can ask is to help find the errors, affirm what is correct.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 27th, 2007, 2:36pm

    Bakosawa correct me if I am wrong. I thought that you are the expert on the problem that you see wrong. So shouldnt you show and explain it to us. OR are you asking your self questions out loud?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:03pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 2:36pm, jugement wrote:
    Bakosawa correct me if I am wrong. I thought that you are the expert on the problem that you see wrong. So shouldnt you show and explain it to us. OR are you asking your self questions out loud?


    Jugement... hopefully, I am not here to judged as an expert. Just a fellow searcher.

    I do not have all of answers... more questions than answers really... I do not have a blind belief system one way or the other. If you want my opinion based on evidence, I am happy to share it. If you want my guess, happy to share too.

    I do not see the drones as an all or nothing package. I do not believe the Isaac story line (some rings true, some not). I see a possible connection (MO) between Ty and Isaac... then again, I may be full of blue berry muffins.

    You must seek the truth in these things for yourself.... I do not think someone is gong to walk up and hand it to us. Keep looking, then some day.... maybe.

    Photos are not concrete evidence. Stories are not concrete evidence, reports like Isaac's are not concrete evidence... speculation is not concrete evidence, we must be patience... it will come.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:04pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 1:50pm, bakosawa wrote:
    I’m not very good at this, but here goes….There is more to cause suspicion than to cause trust with Ty and Isaac. The other drones may hold a key. This is just my opinion… I may be wrong, I may be right… all I can ask is to help find the errors, affirm what is correct.


    Then let it go because these things were already hashed out. Possibilities and/or reasons for were presented. I'm not going looking through all those pages for everything either, that's hours of work and I work for free. lol I guess you'll just have to wait for someone else to come in that hasn't already commented on such - and see.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by VonStern on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:12pm

    After much reading, researching, and trying to understand, this is what I've come up with to this date:

    1. The Drones seen by witnesses might be electrical driven devices (drones) used by The Department Of Energy, for maintenance of Powerlines.

    2. The excact Technology that are in use here, may be Terrestrial in making and in use.

    3. The origin of this (even patented) may be ExtraTerrestrial.

    4. The "Isaac" evidence has been undercast investigations of several engineers and amateur researchers, and has been thought as valid.

    5. The link to Big Basin Photo's (if validated as true) sure has connection to the "Isaac" Primers.

    6. The photo's included in "Isaac" partly portfolio, showing the "Antigravity" device, may be ceramic. This brings us back to #1, electrical devices, working in high voltage environment.

    7. If the "rings" laying on the floor in the Hangar, are crashed items, maybe it is a Terrestrial Drone (belonging to The Department Of Energy) that unfortunately crashed. This based on the similarities. Or, are the origin of the Technology used for these drones.

    Conclusion: This might be Terrestrial afterall. But the Big Basin Drones, if prooved authentic, are the best proof, that there still are things to investigate further.

    End.

    I hope this is of any help, just my opinion as of this moment.

    --VonStern
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:30pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 1:50pm, bakosawa wrote:
    I’m not very good at this, but here goes….

    Looking at the Ty photos (especially at the high-res) and the Isaac photos, two things just jump out at me… a solid white (lacking detail) background (you just do not see this in photos)

    It is not easy to get a solid white background that tops the RGB scale, without having variation, somewhere in the field of vision. I can’t do it.

    But others can with a HDR type of camera...
    An example there
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:39pm


    I am refusing to interpret the drones as hoaxes.

    Why? Too complex, too many different models. The writing is totally unfamiliar. The aerodynamic characteristics are also completely different from what we know.

    Further, just as soon as chemtrailing stopped, sightings stopped ... an indication that HAARP was affecting their cloaking abilities.

    No, I'm awaiting more information. I'm not satisfied that we can just dismiss this as some kind of graphic joke.

    Too much work. I do photoshopping. It would take me a hundred years to graphically create, rotate, adapt, evolve and change such a mechanism that just sits there silent in the sky.

    I don't like the feeling I get, at the Intuitive level.

    We must be cautious because we cannot believe in our leaders' good intentions anymore.

    They'll do anything for power, include selling us out to parasite Aliens, for money and glory.

    I'm waiting for another shoe to drop.


    ~*~Shech--
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA- A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:47pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 1:50pm, bakosawa wrote:
    It is too convenient to be photographing on a undetailed 100% white background… its just too nice of a mat to work on… and the work is not that convincing (when examined at 100% enlargement).

    I work all day long on Xpress, Photoshop and Illustrator (in a small communication agency) and I find the hoax (if it is one) is very very convincing. It's not frank (tongue) to say the opposite.
    It is the first time, as far as I know that a hoax (if it is one) contains texts (in the shape of a real "book"), pictures, illustrations (all very well done) and witnesses. I'm not sure it's real (actually, I say this because I don't want to be disappointed if it's proven to be fake but I feel it's true).
    The Ty's photos are on a white background but Raj and Chads' aren't. What is your opinion about it?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by isawaufooverparis on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:55pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:12pm, VonStern wrote:
    6. The photo's included in "Isaac" partly portfolio, showing the "Antigravity" device, may be ceramic. This brings us back to #1, electrical devices, working in high voltage environment.

    --VonStern

    That's exactly what I was thinking on yesterday but I couldn't find the name (ceramic). I noticed that the lettering was always (actually, for the drones) on the white surfaces, not on the others.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by nekitamo on Jul 27th, 2007, 4:13pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:12pm, VonStern wrote:
    After much reading, researching, and trying to understand, this is what I've come up with to this date:

    1. The Drones seen by witnesses might be electrical driven devices (drones) used by The Department Of Energy, for maintenance of Powerlines.

    If Isaac's evidence is valid, as you said, they are using drones since the 80s. Don't you think someone from DOE would have mentioned this by now?

    It's anti-gravity, for god's sake! And they know how to use it, but won't share it with other US government agencies?

    I mean, look at poor NASA... still using chemical rockets, and DOE doesn't care.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Jul 27th, 2007, 4:19pm

    Have you noticed that LMH keeps changing the C2C information on her website today.

    First she's going to talk about just the "Drones and bees".

    She then changes that to interview with "engineer" who will use his real name.

    Later that's gone....erased.

    Now it is just "some information on Drones".

    What's next?

    Are her contacts getting cold feet?

    Things seem to change every ten minutes. Linda can interview me and use my name. Space aliens do not scare me. My sister says I'm an "unusual" person. LOL


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 27th, 2007, 4:47pm

    If space aliens -- Alpha Dracos and long-nosed Greys don't scare you, they ought to.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8316692185126189734

    This ain't funny anymore, Superman.


    ~*~Shech--
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by brm1 on Jul 27th, 2007, 5:28pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:12pm, VonStern wrote:
    1. The Drones seen by witnesses might be electrical driven devices (drones) used by The Department Of Energy, for maintenance of Powerlines.

    2. The excact Technology that are in use here, may be Terrestrial in making and in use.


    "Antigravity Maintenance Drones" don't you think that you might have seen some reference to that in Popular Science or maybe the National Geographic, or at least the Omaha World Herald -- unless the MSM has gotten so incompetent that they don't recognize that antigravity might be somehow signiificant.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 27th, 2007, 5:42pm

    URANTIA606 HI;have you ever been abducted or visited by alliens?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by VonStern on Jul 27th, 2007, 5:52pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 4:13pm, nekitamo wrote:
    If Isaac's evidence is valid, as you said, they are using drones since the 80s. Don't you think someone from DOE would have mentioned this by now?

    It's anti-gravity, for god's sake! And they know how to use it, but won't share it with other US government agencies?

    I mean, look at poor NASA... still using chemical rockets, and DOE doesn't care.


    First, I never implied that Commercial drones was used since the 80'th. Just that the drones might be the outcome of the research done in the "Isaac" documents commercialised, and used by DoE.

    Second: Antigravity was never mentioned by me at this point. It might be at hand, but as I see it, pure speculation.

    As allways, all I say in here are free for debate, and feel free to ask me any questions, as long as they are relavant.

    So, ask away...If no questions are asked, no answers are coming our way! grin

    --VonStern
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 27th, 2007, 5:55pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 4:19pm, urantia606 wrote:
    My sister says I'm an "unusual" person. LOL


    lipsrsealed
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:20pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:29am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    No jugement, Nekitamo has closed his book of lampoonistic comments designed to upset most apple carts.


    It's called trolling. I refuse to bite.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:25pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 2:36pm, jugement wrote:
    Bakosawa correct me if I am wrong. I thought that you are the expert on the problem that you see wrong. So shouldnt you show and explain it to us. OR are you asking your self questions out loud?


    Perfect observation, Judgement. I was thinking the same thing. He keeps parroting the same questions over and over while we keep answering but it's like his computer can only send and not receive! huh
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:30pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 5:42pm, jugement wrote:
    URANTIA606 HI;have you ever been abducted or visited by alliens?


    No....do you know how and where I could meet some?

    Want to come along with me? Anyone else want to go?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:41pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 4:19pm, urantia606 wrote:
    Have you noticed that LMH keeps changing the C2C information on her website today.
    First she's going to talk about just the "Drones and bees".
    She then changes that to interview with "engineer" who will use his real name.
    Later that's gone....erased.
    Now it is just "some information on Drones".

    What's next?

    Are her contacts getting cold feet?


    Are you surprised. I'm not. I've been saying it for a while now. The witnesses (and that includes the engineer) may not be allowed to come forward.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:46pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:25pm, Latitude wrote:
    Perfect observation, Judgement. I was thinking the same thing. He keeps parroting the same questions over and over while we keep answering but it's like his computer can only send and not receive! huh
    thank you I have been tring to wait on any one not just him. on on on on on the drones have them I dont know. and besides they should have took the warning way back. some body said I would hate to be the one to prove this case as a hoax. cool
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by nekitamo on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:47pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:20pm, Latitude wrote:
    It's called trolling. I refuse to bite.


    Actually, it's called joking. Sorry if it offends you in any way.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:50pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:30pm, urantia606 wrote:
    No....do you know how and where I could meet some?

    Want to come along with me? Anyone else want to go?
    Trust me. they come when they want to, and do what they want to.Be careful what you wish for please.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:54pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:20pm, Latitude wrote:
    It's called trolling. I refuse to bite.


    That's a good thing. I don't bite either. I just show my nails. We're really running out of things to say here. Maybe we should all re-read the drone and Isaac threads lol
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:55pm

    to all and I dont mean no harm, it Is okay to joke, yet this is aserious matter. their is a funny page. wink

    ThE FuNnY PaGeS
    http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=tips&num=1149285271&start=0
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:57pm

    I'm really hoping that there will be some more information coming out of the C2C program tonight (early morning here on the East Coast). We certainly could use some fresh material to examine. I'm trying hard not to get my hopes up too high. All of the changes on the LMH web site makes it seem as though she's not all that sure herself how it will go! I just hope that the engineer gets adequate attention, I'd really like to hear his analysis first hand. You can tell a lot in a persons voice and the way they present themselves.

    New info is desperately needed and I hope that "Isaac" really does have his finger on the pulse of this and will proceed accordingly. taking him at his word of having much more to release, it seems in everybody's best interest that he do so relatively soon. As ATO pointed out the other day, it's been a month (feels more like a year). My gut tells me that he's still out there, primarily because this initial release seems to have been allowed on some level.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:57pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:47pm, nekitamo wrote:
    Actually, it's called joking. Sorry if it offends you in any way.


    I have seen so many come here with the same lines I thought you were another one. Sorry. I guess I've been in this so long I'm getting punchy. If you cruise around to the different forums it seems like the drone case has now seen it's lowest point. The debunkers are trying their best to turn the tide and those like me with the courage to speak up for an unpopular belief are beginning to fade.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 27th, 2007, 7:00pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:41pm, Latitude wrote:
    Are you surprised. I'm not. I've been saying it for a while now. The witnesses (and that includes the engineer) may not be allowed to come forward.
    some people forget that these people life get in danger. for tring to help us. yet I understand that their are HOAXters still around. they will finaly get your point ,latitude.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by VonStern on Jul 27th, 2007, 7:17pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:12pm, VonStern wrote:
    5. The link to Big Basin Photo's (if validated as true) sure has connection to the "Isaac" Primers.



    If This link (BB Photo's / Caret Primer) can be established as either a hoax or proven valid, it will end all discussion regarding this matter.

    Just my opinion,

    --VonStern
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by wreckage on Jul 27th, 2007, 7:18pm

    figneutron said: "...good enough to deceive me a psychologist with 25 years experience, one who has specialized in lying and lie detection, one who has studied hundreds of liars and analyzed thousands of lies committed during face-to-face interviews."

    I'm sure I've perused every post so far, but I've missed this one. Could you please let me know where I can find this psychologist's post?
    Thanks, and Cheers !
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 27th, 2007, 7:24pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 7:18pm, wreckage wrote:
    figneutron said: "...good enough to deceive me a psychologist with 25 years experience, one who has specialized in lying and lie detection, one who has studied hundreds of liars and analyzed thousands of lies committed during face-to-face interviews."

    I'm sure I've perused every post so far, but I've missed this one. Could you please let me know where I can find this psychologist's post?
    Thanks, and Cheers !


    There's one post on page one of Isaac #3. It's in the first or second post of mine and it's a quote.

    And it's in I think Isaac 2 - maybe 1

    That exact post I don't think is in the Isaac threads but another thread - not sure.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 27th, 2007, 7:38pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 6:57pm, MarkM wrote:
    I'm really hoping that there will be some more information coming out of the C2C program tonight (early morning here on the East Coast). We certainly could use some fresh material to examine. I'm trying hard not to get my hopes up too high. All of the changes on the LMH web site makes it seem as though she's not all that sure herself how it will go!


    Seeing the latest revision on the headline at Earthfiles.com about tonight's C2C program has me worried - it now reads thusly:

    "- My latest news updates about the mysterious aerial light activity over Stratford-upon-Avon, Midlands, July 14, and Farnborough, Hampshire on July 22.

    - Also, the extraordinary July 7, 2007, East Field wheat formation discovered after bright flash of light, followed by intense military helicopter activity.

    - Also some CARET/"drone" and disappearing bee news updates."


    It's gone from having the interview with the University Professor going on record being the featured act, to sharing the third billing with disappearing bee news and "some" Caret/drone updates... (sigh).

    My guess is that there has been some backstroking on somebody's part. sad This probably won't be the Isaac/drone coming out party that I'd hoped it might evolve into...

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Jul 27th, 2007, 7:57pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 7:38pm, OnlookerDelay wrote:
    Seeing the latest revision on the headline at Earthfiles.com about tonight's C2C program has me worried - it now reads thusly:

    "- My latest news updates about the mysterious aerial light activity over Stratford-upon-Avon, Midlands, July 14, and Farnborough, Hampshire on July 22.

    - Also, the extraordinary July 7, 2007, East Field wheat formation discovered after bright flash of light, followed by intense military helicopter activity.

    - Also some CARET/"drone" and disappearing bee news updates."


    It's gone from having the interview with the University Professor going on record being the featured act, to sharing the third billing with disappearing bee news and "some" Caret/drone updates... (sigh).

    My guess is that there has been some backstroking on somebody's part. sad This probably won't be the Isaac/drone coming out party that I'd hoped it might evolve into...


    The "engineer report" is still up on the C2C website.

    This is called a "cliffhanger"...........or disambiguation...

    "Linda is tied to the railroad tracks....a training is coming....hear the whistle....oh...oh..."
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by VonStern on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:00pm

    There IS one thing here, that has tormented me...aside from all other fact.

    Why this Visible/Invisible thing?

    I might have overlooked that in earlier posts..

    I'm sure the DoE has no reason to "Cloak" their devices?

    Maybe there are something in here, not spoken of....

    The statements from eyewitnesses said that they (the Drones) disappeared or vanished?

    If this is proven true, I might lean on, that things at hand here are more than just DoE activity, maybe other branches are around and has a finger in this as well..

    Open to suggestions, please!

    --VonStern
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:09pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:00pm, VonStern wrote:
    Open to suggestions, please!

    Read this website. It answers all your questions.

    http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:18pm

    I agree with those of you who think the Isaac/drone story may be petering out. In the absence of anything new---or some bravery on the part of anyone connected to the story---where is there left to go. Over four threads now, you have all brilliantly dissected every morsel of information given out to us, but this could be going the way of most other sightings/episodes: a slow fade to black. I truly hope not. I had such high hopes that this could be THE ONE! cry
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DarkSky on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:20pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:00pm, VonStern wrote:
    There IS one thing here, that has tormented me...aside from all other fact.

    Why this Visible/Invisible thing?

    I might have overlooked that in earlier posts..

    I'm sure the DoE has no reason to "Cloak" their devices?

    Maybe there are something in here, not spoken of....

    The statements from eyewitnesses said that they (the Drones) disappeared or vanished?

    If this is proven true, I might lean on, that things at hand here are more than just DoE activity, maybe other branches are around and has a finger in this as well..

    Open to suggestions, please!

    --VonStern


    One of the Isaac docs, labeled "pacl-q486-report-p2", list a section called "Executive summry of Q4-86" Item #2 "Three-dimensional image recorder/projector"

    Not sure, but this may be the source of "invisibility.

    DarkSky

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by VonStern on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:22pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:09pm, Latitude wrote:
    Read this website. It answers all your questions.

    http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/



    I ofcourse know this, point taken, but in relavance to Electrical Powered Engines, cloaking is as seen from engineers point of view not possible if in a high voltage environment, as stated before, it might be the REASON these crafts revealed themselves....

    This is the enigma...if Powerlines are the course of "Decloaking"...why the need for this if DoE know of this?

    This just open a new path of thinking?

    To set things straight, I was not the only one suggesting this in the first place. Just bringing it up again, as it might be a clue.

    Am I right?

    --VonStern
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:31pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:18pm, starsigndavid wrote:
    I had such high hopes that this could be THE ONE! cry


    How about - one in a series of steps leading to THE ONE? The final revelation, as it were, won't hinge on a single event. We started this journey toward contact decades ago, and the pace has quickened. Very dramatically this year alone. The greatest "truth tool" (although it can also be used to spread lies) is the internet. It connects us all in a way that was never possible when this phenomenon first caught our attention. In a matter of seconds, a sighting in Arizona can be shared with millions of people around the world. Hardly a week goes by when there isn't a report of a UFO from somewhere. The awareness level among the general population, as is evident in recent poll numbers, is higher than it's ever been. The Genie is out of the bottle - and she's not about to pop back in!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by nekitamo on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:32pm

    When high-res BB picture was recently acquired from LMH, all current discussions were interrupted and everyone went to analyze this new data. I'll try to continue one of those discussions here.

    Someone at OM forum pointed out the following clip from The Disclosure Project with Brigadier General Lovekin's testimony:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4694075066240662837

    Here's a partial transcript, more available here:
    Quote:
    "Colonel Hollobard [sp? perhaps Hollogard or Holloberg] brought out a piece of what appeared to be metallic -- it was a metallic piece of -- it looked like a yardstick. It had deciphering--it had encryption on it. He did describe them as being symbols of instruction. And that's as far as he would go. But he did infer that the instructions, whatever they might have been, were something that was important enough for the military to keep working on on a constant basis."

    Further on, Lovekin also mentions this:
    Quote:
    "He said it had been taken from one of the craft that had crashed in New Mexico. It had been taken from a box of materials that the military was working on. They didn't use the word reverse engineering at that time, but it was something similar to the reverse engineering they felt like they needed to work on and that it was going to take years to do this."

    So, Brigadier General Lovekin mentions the "symbols of instruction" (=Isaac's symbols?) and "something similar to the reverse engineering" (=extraction?). This is the best independent confirmation of Isaac's documents that I'm aware of so far, even without the exact terms. Do you know better?

    Here's a thought: if this "symbols of instruction" were first acquired at Roswell crash in 1947, and were worked on "on a constant basis" in 1959 when Lovekin found about them, and were still worked on in 1987 in Isaac's time... does that mean than 40 years weren't enough time to decipher them? Remember, "it was going to take years to do this".

    We can't really see any of Q4-1984 report items in commercial use today, so perhaps project CARET also failed. Is it possible that, despite all efforts, 60 years have passed without any significant "extraction packages"?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:32pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:00pm, VonStern wrote:
    There IS one thing here, that has tormented me...aside from all other fact.
    I'm sure the DoE has no reason to "Cloak" their devices?
    --VonStern


    It was never proven that the drones are DoE. or DoD. Isaac said that they were mining the technology for future use in commercial applications.... he never said that the US government is the one who is flying around the drones. The drones all look alien to me. With one exception that, in my opinion, looks more back-engineered and that is the "smith" drone taken over the powerlines at the construction site. That one looks more metallic and does not have alien writing on it. I believe it's called the "Alabama drone" which the man who saw one in a hangar in the 90's said it looked most like the Alabama drone. Those, I beleive are back-engineered and who knows WHICH agency are using those. "They" (government) could be using them for spying.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:40pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:32pm, nekitamo wrote:
    Here's a thought: if this "symbols of instruction" were first acquired at Roswell crash in 1947, and were worked on "on a constant basis" in 1959 when Lovekin found about them, and were still worked on in 1987 in Isaac's time... does that mean than 40 years weren't enough time to decipher them?



    Right. because the government couldn't really do anything until the dawn of the artificial intelligence/computer linguistics movement. algorithms and the lisp system etc. And, you can see how all of this technology began in the Palo Alto and/or Silicon Valley areas around that time and PACL brought in all of the "geeks" (sorry Isaac lol) from university graduate, fellows and doctorate programs that were on the cutting edge of computer science and computer languaging to decipher it. Even with the dawn of this era, they still didn't have computers fast enough to compute all of the language to figure it out completely because of the infinite nature of the beast. But... I can guarantee you this... if you research all of the history of PARC... XPARC XEROX and the like (maybe even Hewlett Packard AND even Microsoft!!) you will find that in the mid to late 80's there WAS indeed technology being filtered out in commercial applications based on what these scientists were eeking out in the lab. Windows.... the Internet.... the list goes on and on.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:46pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:31pm, MarkM wrote:
    How about - one in a series of steps leading to THE ONE?


    I sure hope so... this is so exciting and interesting.

    Mark -- I wanted to congratulate you on becoming a Global Moderator. I think that is awesome, and I know that you will do a fine job for us here! Thank you for all of your patience and dilligence that got you were you are now! You will make a good, diplomatic leader.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by danblast on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:50pm

    Is coast to coast a subscription site? It seems they want $6.95 a month to listen. So only subscribers can listen to the show tonight. Either that or I'm a dummy and can't figure it out.

    Can someone post the highlights.

    Thanks
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Nephilim on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:50pm

    Nice tie-in nekitemo. Pieces of the puzzle are all around it just we must peice them together ourselves. wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by VonStern on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:52pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:18pm, starsigndavid wrote:
    I agree with those of you who think the Isaac/drone story may be petering out. In the absence of anything new---or some bravery on the part of anyone connected to the story---where is there left to go. Over four threads now, you have all brilliantly dissected every morsel of information given out to us, but this could be going the way of most other sightings/episodes: a slow fade to black. I truly hope not. I had such high hopes that this could be THE ONE! cry


    Oh, but it still can! Nothing in here (or elsewere, for that matter) says differently!

    There are so many things unanswered, that this still can be true, we're just working on possibilities, that's all!

    I for one, will be convinced, when the Linguistic Primers provided by "Isaac" are revealed as a fraud...then this whole thread are ended by the strike of it!

    No, we can't be sure, until it ends... grin

    --VonStern
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:58pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:22pm, VonStern wrote:
    I ofcourse know this, point taken, but in relavance to Electrical Powered Engines, cloaking is as seen from engineers point of view not possible if in a high voltage environment, as stated before, it might be the REASON these crafts revealed themselves....

    This is the enigma...if Powerlines are the course of "Decloaking"...why the need for this if DoE know of this?

    This just open a new path of thinking?

    To set things straight, I was not the only one suggesting this in the first place. Just bringing it up again, as it might be a clue.

    Am I right?

    --VonStern


    These things have nothing to do with power lines. It's an incorrect assumption.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by nekitamo on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:59pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:40pm, castles4me wrote:
    But... I can guarantee you this... if you research all of the history of PARC... XPARC XEROX and the like (maybe even Hewlett Packard) you will find that in the mid to late 80's there WAS indeed technology being filtered out in commercial applications based on what these scientists were eeking out in the lab.


    If there's such technological gap that they were nowhere near comprehension even after 40 years, perhaps those new technologies were just a byproduct of this research - i.e. some tools invented for better analysis, or such.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:01pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:50pm, danblast wrote:
    Is coast to coast a subscription site? It seems they want $6.95 a month to listen. So only subscribers can listen to the show tonight. Either that or I'm a dummy and can't figure it out.

    Can someone post the highlights.

    Thanks
    you see ato. I cant ride around in my truck to listen. I gave my daughter her radio,dvd player. grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by VonStern on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:02pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:58pm, Latitude wrote:
    These things have nothing to do with power lines. It's an incorrect assumption.


    Latitude, please share your knowledge with all of us, you seem to know what this is about?

    --VonStern
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:03pm

    For the C2C broadcast go to http://www.coasttocoastam.com/info/wheretolisten.html
    to find out what stations near you carry the show. There should be a schedule available on the stations site. Hope that helps!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:04pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:58pm, Latitude wrote:
    These things have nothing to do with power lines. It's an incorrect assumption.
    good to have you here, I thought I had ideas. lipsrsealed
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by AgentM on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:08pm

    Just checking in to confirm my steadfast belief in this thread and the drone case.

    I have nothing to state at this time as we have nothing new to discuss.

    However that does not mean that the facts of this case can ever go away..only the distant chirping of the debunkers will fade away in time..

    What has transpired will remain in the anals of ufology's growing history.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:14pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:32pm, nekitamo wrote:
    When high-res BB picture was recently acquired from LMH, all current discussions were interrupted and everyone went to analyze this new data. I'll try to continue one of those discussions here.

    Someone at OM forum pointed out the following clip from The Disclosure Project with Brigadier General Lovekin's testimony:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4694075066240662837

    Here's a partial transcript, more available here:

    Further on, Lovekin also mentions this:

    So, Brigadier General Lovekin mentions the "symbols of instruction" (=Isaac's symbols?) and "something similar to the reverse engineering" (=extraction?). This is the best independent confirmation of Isaac's documents that I'm aware of so far, even without the exact terms. Do you know better?

    Here's a thought: if this "symbols of instruction" were first acquired at Roswell crash in 1947, and were worked on "on a constant basis" in 1959 when Lovekin found about them, and were still worked on in 1987 in Isaac's time... does that mean than 40 years weren't enough time to decipher them? Remember, "it was going to take years to do this".

    We can't really see any of Q4-1984 report items in commercial use today, so perhaps project CARET also failed. Is it possible that, despite all efforts, 60 years have passed without any significant "extraction packages"?


    http://www.parc.com/research/projects/dataglyphs/

    Go to the link I post and read all about alien technology in commercial use today. They do not use the word 'alien' but that is what it is.

    There are many more commercial applications out there...you have have to look for them. I have posted this link before but you may have missed it.

    If you read the abstracts and the various White Papers written by the engineers you will learn a lot more about this.

    The extraction of alien technology has been extremely successful BUT it has taken a long time.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:26pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:14pm, urantia606 wrote:
    The extraction of alien technology has been extremely successful BUT it has taken a long time.


    This is great news. I can't wait to try out my new hoverboard! cheesy
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by VonStern on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:32pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:14pm, urantia606 wrote:
    http://www.parc.com/research/projects/dataglyphs/

    Go to the link I post and read all about alien technology in commercial use today. They do not use the word 'alien' but that is what it is.

    There are many more commercial applications out there...you have have to look for them. I have posted this link before but you may have missed it.

    If you read the abstracts and the various White Papers written by the engineers you will learn a lot more about this.

    The extraction of alien technology has been extremely successful BUT it has taken a long time.


    This is what I've tried to say....many times over!

    Urantia606, you're right on the spot! Thumbs up!

    --VonStern


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:46pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:50pm, danblast wrote:
    Is coast to coast a subscription site? It seems they want $6.95 a month to listen. So only subscribers can listen to the show tonight. Either that or I'm a dummy and can't figure it out.

    Can someone post the highlights.

    Thanks


    The best way to listen is plain ole AM radio if there is an affiliate in your area.

    You can go here and click on your state and it'll tell you what city and then what station.

    http://www.coasttocoastam.com/info/wheretolisten.html

    For example, if someone lived in New York, this is what they would find. The timeframes are later then the original conversation. I'm having to listen at midnight.

    Albany WGY 810 50 KW M-F: 1a-5a
    Sat: 9p-6a
    Sun: 12a-5a
    Auburn WAUB-AM 1590 500W/1KW M-F: 1a-5a
    Sat: 1a-5a
    Sun: 1a-5a
    Binghamton WNBF-AM 1290 9KW/5KW M-F: 1a-5a
    Sat: 1a-6a
    Sun: 1a-5a
    Buffalo WBEN-AM 930 5KW M-F: 1a-5a
    Sat: 1a-5a
    Sun: 1a-5a
    Cortland WKRT 920 1KW/500W M-F: 1a-5a
    Sat: 1a-6a
    Sun: 1a-5a
    Elmira WWLZ-AM 820 4KW/850W M-F: 1a-6a
    Sat: 1a-6a
    Sun: 1a-6a
    Geneva WGVA-AM 1240 1KW M-F: 1a-5a
    Sat: 1a-5a
    Sun: 1a-5a
    Jamestown WJTN-AM 1240 500W/1KW M-F: 1a-5a
    Sat: 1a-6a
    Sun: 1a-6a
    New York City WABC-AM 770 50KW M-Th: 1a-5a
    Fri: X
    Sat: 1a-6a
    Sun: 1a-6a
    Rochester WHAM-AM 1180 50KW M-F: 1a-5a
    Sat: 12a-5a
    Sun: 1a-5a
    Syracuse WSYR-AM 570 5KW M-F: 1a-5a
    Sat: 1a-5a
    Sun: 1a-5a
    Utica WIBX-AM 950 5KW M-F: 1a-5a
    Sat: 1a-5a
    Sun: 1a-5a
    Watertown WTNY-AM 790 1KW M-F: 1a-5a
    Sat: 1a-7a
    Sun: 1a-6a

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by nekitamo on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:10pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:14pm, urantia606 wrote:
    http://www.parc.com/research/projects/dataglyphs/

    Go to the link I post and read all about alien technology in commercial use today. They do not use the word 'alien' but that is what it is.

    There are many more commercial applications out there...you have have to look for them. I have posted this link before but you may have missed it.

    If you read the abstracts and the various White Papers written by the engineers you will learn a lot more about this.

    The extraction of alien technology has been extremely successful BUT it has taken a long time.


    I've seen this mentioned, but don't find it relevant in this case. There's nothing alien in this, and nothing revolutionary new - it's simply an alternative to the bar code. And not a very succesful one, I dare say - when you go shopping, do you see dataglyphs or bar code marking products that you buy?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Lox on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:25pm

    [quote author=Atrueoriginall link=board=drone&num=1185540957&start=311#20 date=1185590774]

    The best way to listen is plain ole AM radio if there is an affiliate in your area.



    I'm out of radio range where I live, but the other night I got C2C via streaming broadcast at http://www.wabcradio.com.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:38pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:10pm, nekitamo wrote:
    I've seen this mentioned, but don't find it relevant in this case. There's nothing alien in this, and nothing revolutionary new - it's simply an alternative to the bar code. And not a very succesful one, I dare say - when you go shopping, do you see dataglyphs or bar code marking products that you buy?




    If one reads the technical journals, this technology is much more than a bar code. Also, it is extremely successful and has completely revolutionized the coding industry.

    As VonStern pointed out it is very relevant to what we are talking about.

    In fact it is directly related to the writing on the Drones and the alien writing on the metal parts of the 1947 crashed UFO.

    I get the feeling that the engineers at PARC Dataglyphs would take exception to your comments.

    But that's OK, you have a right to your opinions.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:45pm

    .
    When you're totally out of things to talk about and you want something really nice to read, go to the following address. 37 pieces (pictures) of art are included.

    This writer is a special guy and requires a full read, not to mention your thoughts and comments.



    UFO's In Sacred Works Of Art
    http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1185586078&start=0#1185592431
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:46pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:32pm, VonStern wrote:
    This is what I've tried to say....many times over!

    Urantia606, you're right on the spot! Thumbs up!

    --VonStern



    Thank you Mr. VonStern. It appears that you have read about this and that you actually understand it.

    Yes, this is directly related to the writing on the various parts of the UFOs. It appears that the research has paid off and that industry has found many applications for alien technology in the commercial and industrial markets.

    Many more are to follow in the coming decades. This is only the beginning.

    Also many of us have had such technology in our hands and did not realize it. I know for a fact that I have.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by nekitamo on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:50pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:38pm, urantia606 wrote:
    In fact it is directly related to the writing on the Drones and the alien writing on the metal parts of the 1947 crashed UFO.


    Could you, please, elaborate a bit more on this?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:59pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:50pm, nekitamo wrote:
    Could you, please, elaborate a bit more on this?


    Sure, go back to the website that I posted. Read all of it including the many links within the website. Also there are several tabs you can pull up. Read this...look at the pictures and move your mouse over the pictures as they direct you to do. This is really cool stuff.. Then do a Google search of the terms they use in the various articles on this topic. This will lead you to other companies and information that will detail this techology. This took me many hours of searching and reading. After you do this you will have a more complete understanding of this technology.

    Re-read Isaacs' letter and Google the various strange words he uses. Read the Wiki articles and websites on these concepts. This is new technology and it is related to our back engineering of UFOs and their various parts.

    Also, get Dr. Greer's four hour DVD on the testimony of military officers concerning what we know about alien technology.

    All of this is very interesting reading if you have the time.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by nekitamo on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:25pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:59pm, urantia606 wrote:
    Sure, go back to the website that I posted. Read all of it including the many links within the website. Also there are several tabs you can pull up. Read this...look at the pictures and move your mouse over the pictures as they direct you to do. This is really cool stuff..


    You did not answer my question. In what DIRECT way are Xerox dataglyphs related to the drone symbols?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by windupbird on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:54pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:46pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    The best way to listen is plain ole AM radio if there is an affiliate in your area.
    ...
    New York City WABC-AM 770 50KW M-Th: 1a-5a
    Fri: X
    Sat: 1a-6a
    Sun: 1a-6a
    ...






    Anyone else find irony in the fact that we could be listening to one of the most important discussions of all man-kind on AM Radio?

    I have spent the last hour trying to mash together all the spare wire I can find in my apt just to be able to listen to the radio. uhg!


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Nephilim on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:16am

    Listening to C2C radio! NEW ISAAC INFO she said!!!

    In response to last post, I think all talk radio = AM wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:21am

    Surfs up!

    http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1292&category=Environment
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:21am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:16am, Nephilim wrote:
    Listening to C2C radio! NEW ISAAC INFO she said!!!

    In response to last post, I think all talk radio = AM wink


    Here's a link to the new info that Linda just posted at Eartfiles.com:

    http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1292&category=Environment (Doh... you beat me by 15 seconds Mark! smiley)

    Apparently, Linda thought that she might get to interview "Isaac" by phone in earlier e-mails, but that has not come to pass. It looks like none of these communications are dated any later than June 27th.

    This story will take a backseat to crop circles and light formations in the sky in the UK tonight though. Still no mention of the University Professor in Computer Science and Engineering...
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:34am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:21am, OnlookerDelay wrote:
    Apparently, Linda thought that she might get to interview "Isaac" by phone in earlier e-mails, but that has not come to pass. It looks like none of these communications are dated any later than June 27th.
    .


    Looks like Isaac responded to skeptics a month ago. It's sad that contact with him has to be wasted in this manner.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:39am

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 8:50pm, danblast wrote:
    Is coast to coast a subscription site? It seems they want $6.95 a month to listen. So only subscribers can listen to the show tonight. Either that or I'm a dummy and can't figure it out. Can someone post the highlights. Thanks


    Here. Listen here.

    http://ksfo.com/article.asp?id=53139#

    Click on "Listen Here"

    Enjoy.

    : ) ~*~Shech--
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:46am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:21am, MarkM wrote:
    Surfs up!

    http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1292&category=Environment


    Oh my, oh my! Finally, something MORE to go on. Dare I still hope!! shocked Thank you all so much for the links to site and radio!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:07am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:39am, Shechaiyah wrote:
    Here. Listen here.

    http://ksfo.com/article.asp?id=53139#

    Click on "Listen Here"

    Enjoy.

    : ) ~*~Shech--


    Yeah, ksfo.com is always a good fallback for non streamlink subscribers out of radio range.

    BTW, if you missed the first hour, you haven't missed a thing about the drones. The first hour was spent on crop circles. While it's interesting news, it's not what we were led to believe we should have our antenna up for. The last hour is going to have: mysterious light formation news, drones, and missing honeybees, along with listener calls. There won't be much room for drone discussion. I got a hunch we won't hear from the University Professor tonight... hope I'm wrong.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:15am

    I am listening intently!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by beenieweenie on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:16am

    Maybe I missed it - why did she wait so long to release the June 27 "Isaac" emails?


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:21am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:16am, beenieweenie wrote:
    Maybe I missed it - why did she wait so long to release the June 27 "Isaac" emails?



    That question has not been asked and the answer not volunteered. Do you have speculation?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:30am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:21am, Latitude wrote:
    That question has not been asked and the answer not volunteered. Do you have speculation?


    It is very curious--just why she is playing this so close to the vest is a mystery to me. She seems to be the type of investigative journalist who would want to get everything out in front of the public. I am having trouble understanding why proponents of open-minded approaches are so reluctant to put it all out there.
    There could be monetary/ratings motives attached to it all, so slowly bleeding the information out to keep people on the edge of their seats, but that seems to run counter to her personal "mission statement" of honesty and disclosure.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:32am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:26am, wreckage wrote:
    Onlookerdelay said: "Still no mention of the University Professor in Computer Science and Engineering..."

    Coast2Coast: "Fri 07.27 >>
    Investigative reporter Linda Moulton Howe will share a fascinating interview with a university professor in Computer Science and Engineering, who is so impressed with the Isaac letters and CARET document (more info) that he agreed to talk about them on the record."


    Yeah, and where the **** was THAT interview!
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    Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:33am

    1 1/2 hours of the 2 hour appearance done. Still no real mention of the drones other than Linda leading us to her new update on it at Earthfiles. Now we're going to listener calls... sad I would think that Linda would at least explain why the professor wasn't on. This has been a wash as far as Isaac/drone news!?
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    Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:36am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:16am, beenieweenie wrote:
    Maybe I missed it - why did she wait so long to release the June 27 "Isaac" emails?



    It's in her report, about a third of the way down the page:

    "My delay in reporting these emails is that I had an indication from Isaac that I might be able to interview him by phone. So, I waited, hoping the interview would occur. But to date, that has not happened."

    So apparently, Linda hasn't heard from Isaac since 6/27/07.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:37am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:33am, OnlookerDelay wrote:
    1 1/2 hours of the 2 hour appearance done. Still no real mention of the drones other than Linda leading us to her new update on it at Earthfiles. Now we're going to listener calls... sad I would think that Linda would at least explain why the professor wasn't on. This has been a wash as far as Isaac/drone news!?


    I've missed the first 1.5 hours of the show, so I guess I got lucky. I've been working on a new video project and got kinda sidetracked with it.... I'll post more info on it here, as so far it's just a teaser/trailer for the project... on the subject of UFOs and ET life of course.....

    which, perhaps someone can help me out here... I want to make a change in the project and include a transmission that was (allegedly) sent from one of the STS missions to houston by a female astronaut stating "We still have the ufo in sight" or something along those lines...does anyone know where I can find that recording?

    Thanks in advance.
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    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:45am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:37am, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
    a transmission that was (allegedly) sent from one of the STS missions to houston by a female astronaut stating "We still have the ufo in sight" or something along those lines...does anyone know where I can find that recording?

    Thanks in advance.


    I saw that on a SciFi Channel series, THE UFO FILES, which dealt with sighting by astronauts and pilots. I believe she referred to "the alien craft still being in sight", then the transmission switched over to the secret, classified channel.
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    Post by Xeroid on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:45am

    How good was that!

    We were all itching for something from Issac and now after reading it I feel we are left with so many great questions unanswered.

    I was chuffed the he mentioned the "Alto" and how (Xerox didn't see a future so those guys left XPARC and started Apple) Apple ran with it as there are all things I said in my first post......then I realised you guys never got my first post angry I lost it before posting.

    I had all sorts of stuff in that lost post, like how Xerox made the Internet possible with the invention of ETHERNET and how they came up with the MOUSE, ICON DRIVEN TOUCH SCREENS, LASER PRINTING and heaps more....

    I also know the Boing story, it was told to me in relation to a Xerox high speed copier called the 1090. Something to do with the hugh amounts of documentation related to development of the 1090 and 747 being the same....it was used in a marketing context when selling the 1090 so a pinch of salt may have been needed.

    I look forward to the next round of discussions this new release will generate.



    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:47am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:45am, starsigndavid wrote:
    I saw that on a SciFi Channel series, THE UFO FILES, which dealt with sighting by astronauts and pilots. I believe she referred to "the alien craft still being in sight", then the transmission switched over to the secret, classified channel.


    Yep, that's the transmission. I've been searching for hours to find it and haven't had any luck. I wish I knew the exact statement to search for. oh well, It'll show up eventually.
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    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:49am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:47am, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
    Yep, that's the transmission. I've been searching for hours to find it and haven't had any luck. I wish I knew the exact statement to search for. oh well, It'll show up eventually.


    I will look for it too. ALSO, FINALLY some tangential discussions about Isaac and CARET on C2C.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:59am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:49am, starsigndavid wrote:
    I will look for it too. ALSO, FINALLY some tangential discussions about Isaac and CARET on C2C.


    Ahh, I finally found them. smiley

    Gonna re-edit and see if it works better this way, and maybe reupload the video file.

    Thanks
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Nephilim on Jul 28th, 2007, 02:26am

    Central: I think I heard that STS lady say that on the Dan Akroyd video, I put up a link to it a few days ago in the secret nasa transmissions thread, I've heard it in one or two other ones as well. She doesn't say 'UFO', she says 'Unidentified Flying Object'.

    I think the radio show was a good one. In the crop circles discussion, a caller asked her about the strange craft/crop circle connection, and she went into it in detail, did you folks miss that?

    Don't be so hard on her, we don't know what happens behind the scenes concerning this professor. Don't jump to conclusions. smiley

    here is another point: we don't know that the last contact with Isaac was June 27th. It is July 27th now, and we just found this out, and it has been a month, don't be suprised if something similar happens again. I would be a little frustrated if they are trickling out the info for ratings, but again, don't jump to conclusions right off. Cut her some slack wink


    Isaac:
    “If I told the average person that we had speech-synthesizing technology in 1936, they probably wouldn't believe me.”

    shocked shocked shocked

    DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!?!
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    Post by wreckage on Jul 28th, 2007, 02:30am

    Isaac:
    “If I told the average person that we had speech-synthesizing technology in 1936, they probably wouldn't believe me.”

    shocked shocked shocked

    DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!?!

    I think it means an accidental transposition. Maybe 1963? smiley
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by nekitamo on Jul 28th, 2007, 02:36am

    Well, seems like we won't learn much from this "new" emails from Isaac. His words are mostly wasted reasoning with old debunker objections. Not to mention that the C2C show was disappointing, too.

    I'd say that LMH sees nothing special in this Isaac case, it's just business as usual to her. If she simultaneously received some news about Isaac and Billy Meier, she'd probably write about Billy first ("well, I just wrote about that Isaac character the other day...").

    Sorry about this, but I'm very disappointed with her.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by nekitamo on Jul 28th, 2007, 02:45am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 02:30am, wreckage wrote:
    Isaac:
    “If I told the average person that we had speech-synthesizing technology in 1936, they probably wouldn't believe me.”

    shocked shocked shocked

    DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!?!

    I think it means an accidental transposition. Maybe 1963? smiley


    According to Wikipedia: "In the 1930s, Bell Labs developed the VOCODER, a keyboard-operated electronic speech analyzer and synthesizer that was said to be clearly intelligible."
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by newtothis on Jul 28th, 2007, 02:46am

    "I get the feeling this isn't ISAAC at all... The 1st part of what I read had me excited and chompin at the bit for something new... But when I got to the 2nd part, I was pretty sure that it wasn't Isaac! Why step forward, for the second time, to prove what you say is true, but offer no new evidence? I do believe the 1st Isaac is real, but I'm not so sure about this one..."

    Want some feedback from the experts... This is my quote, just want to here from you all!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by nekitamo on Jul 28th, 2007, 02:49am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 02:46am, newtothis wrote:
    "I get the feeling this isn't ISAAC at all... The 1st part of what I read had me excited and chompin at the bit for something new... But when I got to the 2nd part, I was pretty sure that it wasn't Isaac! Why step forward, for the second time, to prove what you say is true, but offer no new evidence? I do believe the 1st Isaac is real, but I'm not so sure about this one..."

    Want some feedback from the experts... This is my quote, just want to more from you all!


    I'm not an expert, but Isaac clearly stated this at his fortunecity webpage:

    "Any future releases from me will come from the email address I've used to contact Coast to Coast AM, and will be sent to them only."
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    Post by wreckage on Jul 28th, 2007, 02:56am

    good work, nekitamo. I wouldn't have thought it possible back then. Cheers.

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A vocoder or voder (name derived from voice encoder) is a speech analyzer and synthesizer. It was originally developed as a speech coder for telecommunications applications in the 1930s, the idea being to code speech for transmission. Its primary use in this fashion is for secure radio communication, where voice has to be digitized, encrypted and then transmitted on a narrow, voice-bandwidth channel. The vocoder has also been used extensively as an electronic musical instrument.

    The vocoder is related to, but essentially different from, the computer algorithm known as the "phase vocoder".
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by newtothis on Jul 28th, 2007, 03:16am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 02:49am, nekitamo wrote:
    I'm not an expert, but Isaac clearly stated this at his fortunecity webpage:

    "Any future releases from me will come from the email address I've used to contact Coast to Coast AM, and will be sent to them only."


    I had forgotten that completely! So do we discard the interview and stick with what he said he would do? I say yea...
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 28th, 2007, 03:19am

    I just noticed the drone photos that LMH has on her website have the copyright tags on them, ie "Image (c) 2007 by Chad" and "Image (c) 2007 by Ty B.". Can someone tell me what the purpose of this would be? How can an anonymous person claim copyright?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 28th, 2007, 03:30am

    For anyone who's interested.... I just put up the final edited version of the teaser/trailer for the new project I'm working on entitled "ONE"....

    (I was using the drones and a few others, as quick flash images, but it just didn't meld in correctly with the theme I don't think.... that trailer is still available as well..but I think this second one kinda fits better)

    it's only 1 minute 19 seconds long, soooo, take a look and lemme know what ya think... just keep in mind, this is just a teaser, and I still have to get all the ideas, and how I'm gonna do the final project lined up in an orderly fashion.


    here's the link for the video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEvde0SrI0U
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    Post by DrDil on Jul 28th, 2007, 04:03am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 03:19am, Latitude wrote:
    I just noticed the drone photos that LMH has on her website have the copyright tags on them, ie "Image (c) 2007 by Chad" and "Image (c) 2007 by Ty B.". Can someone tell me what the purpose of this would be? How can an anonymous person claim copyright?

    Perhaps it’s because she can’t (legally) copyright her page <which she does at the bottom> without referencing her sources, be they anonymous or not.

    I’m not sure if it was on her site, but I’ve seen the Rajman images copyrighted to the Flickr account which was hacked and subsequently shut down, but the copyright remained.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 28th, 2007, 07:31am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 02:26am, Nephilim wrote:
    I think the radio show was a good one. In the crop circles discussion, a caller asked her about the strange craft/crop circle connection, and she went into it in detail, did you folks miss that?


    Well certainly the crop circle news and interviews was some of the most interesting I've heard in months if not years. It just wasn't what they had my appetite whetted for. The last half hour we did have a couple of listener calls that got into the Isaac/CARET/drone story and there was a link made between the crop glyphs and Isaac document images.

    Quote:
    Don't be so hard on her, we don't know what happens behind the scenes concerning this professor. Don't jump to conclusions. smiley


    True, we don't know what happens behind the scenes, but I think we deserved a mention of the originally hyped, feature interview and that it was either scratched, or scheduled for a later program.

    Near the start of the program (about 6 minutes in) Linda points out the new link to the updated Isaac/drone information at her webpage. Then she closes the intro to last night's program with:

    "hopefully, in a future Coast, I'll be able to do more in-depth (on the Isaac/drone story), but tonight, with so much going on in crop formations and mysterious lights, I'm going to begin with July 7th, and one of the largest wheat formations in the last quarter century...."

    It could be that she thinks the crop formation/mysterious lights in the UK story is bigger and more breaking than the Isaac/drone story, and it may well be. Certainly, there's more "evidence" and witnesses. The only thing I'm miffed about is why the status of the headline interview with the professor was nixed. I'll write Linda and C2C and see if I can get an answer.


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    Post by inex on Jul 28th, 2007, 07:37am

    Hi,

    If it is any use to this debate, I can reveal that I am the witness who filmed the Farnborough, Hampshire, UK, triangle of lights on Sunday, July 22nd that LMH discussed on the latest Coast to Coast radio broadcast...I have spoken with her at length on the telephone and received various e-mail correspondances from her as well and found her to be one of the most diligent and conscientious reporters that anyone could imagine.
    The lengths that this lady goes to obtain evidence is quite incredible...
    On one occasion I took the opportunity to ask her from one researcher to another, whether she wholeheartedly believes that the Isaac, Chad, Big Basin etc "Drone" mystery is true, or just a clever hoax as many have claimed... and she has told me that she had no doubts that it is all "real".
    Unlike many other researchers in this field Linda does everything that she can to provide us with the finest ufo information.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by OnlookerDelay on Jul 28th, 2007, 07:46am

    Thanks for that report inex... that helps a lot. I have met Linda personally myself and found her to be very commited to her work. The group assembled here has been pretty much fixated on the Isaac/CARET/drone story for the last 6 weeks, or so, and I know I'm guilty of not seeing the forest for the trees as a result. It's only now beginning to sink in just how big these events in the Farnborough/Hampshire area have been, not to mention the crop formations and the properties of the the wheat inside the formations.

    There had to be an almost surrealistic atmosphere associated with what you witnessed, filmed and experienced... I truly envy you! I've seen one "green fireball" in my life, and that's been the extent of my UFO experience. It wasn't all that much to hang my hat on, but even that had me really contemplating things after I saw it. There's nothing in my experience before or after that's even close to touching it in strangeness, and it pales in comparison to what you saw!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by HopefulSkeptic on Jul 28th, 2007, 09:08am

    Well it was great to hear some more from Isaac. Though I have to say I'm disappointed that he mostly wrote an essay on computer history instead of telling us more hard information on what everyone really wants to know about. I think we'll have to take a "wait and see" approach.

    I would imagine that Big Basin and other drone sighting areas have been crawling with people with cameras day and night for the past month. I wonder why no one has gotten anything?

    As for the crop circle in England, the bright flash and the immediate EMF which disrupted the video recording sounds very much to me like the typical effects of a nearby lightning strike. Could lightning possibly create crop circles? Hmmm.

    Whether EMF will affect a given video recorder depends on the shielding of the electronics, position to the bolt, whether the bolt hits something metallic, and a great number of factors. Here's a close lightning strike that doesn't seem to affect the recording, as an example (some strong language)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZo00FeYcQ

    CentralScrutinizer, nice job on the video teaser. It shows a lot of promise. Keep up the good work and I hope you finish your project soon.

    nekitamo mentioned the vocoder, which is one of those things that you'll have to hear and see in action to understand it. Think of the song Funkytown, or the voices of cylons in Battlestar Galactica. Check this out to hear and see one in action

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hqvvNcvenU

    Thanks for reading.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 28th, 2007, 09:12am

    i'm downloading last nights c2c show. If anyone is interested, i can try to upload later today
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Jul 28th, 2007, 09:16am

    While we may all feel some disappointment that the intended interview got nixed last night, and more time wasn't spent on the drones, let me reiterate once again a very important point -

    We shouldn't think for one minute that the rising tide of ET related events is not in some way linked. I think this was also a point that LMH touched on several times throughout the program. The most obvious connection being the similarity between some of the crop circle designs and the Isaac symbols (signals, boy, I can't say that enough). If they are programs, then it's not only the mysterious drones that are being programmed, but spaceship Earth as well.

    Everyone is probably tired of me saying this, but I'll take the risk of repeating myself (drag in that dead horse smiley) this is all heading towards something major. LMH touched on the feeling that many people have regarding this possibility, specifically the "sense" shared by those involved in the abduction phenomenon. This underlying current of "knowing" is something that we discussed in here just the other night and which several members could relate to. As LMH noted - you are not imagining this and you are not alone!

    Taking everything into consideration, this would be a good time to step back a bit and think about what all of these unprecedented events mean.

    We are on the front lines, friends - right here, right now.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 09:32am

    To read the "issues" that Linda Moulton-Howe emailed to Isaac go to the following address.
    http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1292&category=Environment

    My point on "these issues" that she called them are as follows.

    I see something here with the Isaac emails that really rings a bell with me since I go through some of the same things.

    There is nothing worse then having someone tell you that you are a liar or are fabricating a story when in all actuality what you are stating is the truth. Have you ever been accused falsely of something you did not do and instead it now overshadows the truth for other readers of said material.

    MISTAKE NUMBER ONE
    Quote:
    I emailed these issues to Isaac and on June 27, 2007, I received his replies in two separate emails indicated by receipt times, which Isaac gave me permission to share in an Earthfiles follow-up.

    Well, I think that LMH's choice of "critic" emails to Isaac was tremendously improper and unsavory. You don't go in with an attack mode certainly but in doing so, he experienced those same feelings that some of us have experienced before and he's turned off now.

    Mark knows, it happened to him here in the forum a little while back. I certainly know because I have time and time again removed posts of mine where someone has requested to hear some of my experiences and then suddenly after a lot of work on my part they say something like, "well I find it hard to believe".

    WHEN YOU KNOW SOMETHING TO BE TRUE, and you have comments like what Isaac had thrown at him - right out of the gate, he's done with us because I know I'm done with all of those who ever asked me about my experiences and I know Mark is done with the one who attempted to destroy his character. In other words, we would never have anything to do with them again except defend our stance. Isaac defended his stance as have I, as has Mark, but you only do that once to make your final point and you're done with them.

    If Isaac is telling the truth, I believe that LMH messed up righteously. Consequently, I doubt he'll make any attempts to return except to give us the whole nine yards. But on that note, if he is telling the truth, he's also thinking - they're not worth knowing the truth.

    I do not find the "critics" below to be anything more then a smarta**.

    First Critic
    Quote:
    "Looking at the so-called 'documentation'"
    "DID NOT EXIST IN 1985"
    I state now and for the RECORD that this whole thing is "a HOAX"

    Second Critic
    Quote:
    "This is a big hoax."
    "the US Government would NEVER allow this information to left in the hands of some worker."
    "the manual does not look anything like a legal NASA"
    " pictures of the 'artifact' are photoshopped"
    "I can tell you that the aliens DO not label every single part"
    "photos of the drone on the floor are model parts"
    "configuration of all the drones sent in to you and others is something the aliens would never design"
    "All their ships are based on the use of space"
    "history of 'probes' from EBE's they are SMALL and fast"
    "I am surprised that you and George Noory etc. are easily tricked by this"
    "After looking at all of the fancy 'documents,' including the Macromedia Freehand or Adobe Illustrator-designed 'alien diagrams"

    So what was Isaac's emotional response to those kind words? What in the hey was she thinking? These emails really did nothing but called the man a liar.

    Big mistake on LMH's part to display such idiotic comments to Isaac if she was expecting him to reply at all. Sure, he replied because he had to defend that part of it.

    MISTAKE NUMBER TWO
    Isaac was treated exactly how Mr. Smith in Birmingham, Alabama was treated, which is why he disappeared from her sight.

    MISTAKE NUMBER THREE?
    Now consider this. What about Ty and Stephen. What emails from the "critics" did she mail them? Dang!
    .
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 09:33am

    From: Isaac
    Subject: Re: "Drones"
    Date: June 27, 2007 Received 1:34 PM, Albuquerque, New Mexico
    To: earthfiles@earthfiles.com

    Isaac: "There are a few misconceptions that I have noticed so far and would like to clear them up, and will also answer your questions:

    1) I realize now that I did not make this clear, but I should clarify that I am not responsible for the blacking out of the Q4-86 report. Most of the copies I was able to make came from documents that were already archived, which meant that they had already been censored for use by outside parties that needed access to some, but not all, of CARET's information. I'm trying to share this information, not hide it, but if I did feel that if a given topic was too sensitive for some reason, I would make it clear that I had personally covered it up and probably try to give a reason why.

    2) I do not understand the question about why the diagram would be "formatted for 8.5 x 11"... As I mention in my letter, the diagram is a reproduction, not the original. We had a team of technical artists painstakingly copy the diagram from its original source, which was a slightly curved panel not unlike the one seen in the Big Basin craft, although this one was apparently inside the craft, not on the outside. We copied it into a drafting program over the course of about a month.

    Our software was understandably primitive by today's standards, but it was still orders of magnitude more powerful than a pencil and paper would have been. This made a task that would have otherwise been nearly impossible relatively feasible, albeit extremely time-consuming. I can assure you, "they" did not make anything particularly convenient for us. One of the reasons we chose to reproduce that particular diagram was because out of all the diagram-artifacts we had access to, it was on the flattest surface.

    Since the geometry of the forms is extremely important, curvature of the surface it's printed on must be "corrected" if it is to be reproduced in a surface with a different contour (such as a flat page). This can be done in a number of ways, by either using a mathematical model to reverse the effect of the surface curves on the diagram's shapes, or by methods of physical measuring that allow precise measuring of irregular surfaces. In either case, however, it adds a significant new dimension of labor to an already extremely labor-intensive task, so it's avoided whenever possible. We really just needed one or two accurately copied diagrams to serve as convenient examples for our own work in decoding and reproducing it, so luckily this was not something we had to do often. Some experimentation was being done on ways to "scan" the diagrams as well, using an almost completely automated process that could automatically account for curved surfaces, but during my time there, very little progress was made on this front.

    3) I think the confusion over the quality of the documents stems from the fact that he (critic) is under the impression they (CARET document) were typeset. They were not. First of all, I'm no guru when it comes to graphics or design, but being in close contact with numerous people from places like XPARC will give you enough background to know the lay of the land. What's first important to note is that systems capable of desktop publishing had been in development for many years before CARET, mostly starting with the Xerox Alto (in 1973), which XPARC developed themselves.

    In fact, I once remember hearing from someone related to the original Alto team that Boeing (I believe) used the Alto to lay out and print the documentation for one of their planes (or something to that effect, I heard the story years ago). The joke was apparently that there was so MUCH documentation that the plane itself could essentially be filled with the pages. Furthermore, laser printing itself had also been around for many years (albeit in an extremely expensive form), and was also developed within XPARC (more or less). Other systems, such as PERQ and Lilith, also came out around the late 70's and while none of them turned into major commercial products, they were not uncommon among large companies and [mostly] universities and were put to very productive use.

    These systems were also the inspiration for the Apple Lisa and Macintosh, which was of course perhaps the biggest factor in the consumer-level desktop publishing boom of the late 80's and early 90's. By 1984, there were quite a few options available for producing these kinds of documents, they were just ABSURDLY expensive, so they weren't on every street corner. Obviously it was nowhere near as turnkey and simple as it is today, but it was a very crude approximation of the same process with similar tools. We just had far less features and everything was a hell of a lot slower. But the point I'm trying to make is that while our method of documentation was somewhat advanced for its time, and also somewhat uncommon, it was hardly unattainable by a sufficiently motivated, financed, and well-connected organization.

    I had very little contact with the technical writers for the most part, but I do know that we were using this kind of technology for both page layout and printing. CARET was expected to produce a massive amount of detailed, well-formatted documentation that could be easily modified and re-used for numerous drafts and revisions, and we would not have been able to keep up using traditional page layout and typesetting techniques. The mid-1980's were a very transitional period for these fields, and I would suggest that people do not assume we were using run-of-the-mill standards.

    One of the things I appreciated most about CARET was that if the technology was available, and we needed it to work better or more effectively, it was given to us with little debate. But typesetting and digital page layout are apples and oranges, so I think most of this is a moot point anyway.

    The bottom line is that many people both inside and outside the engineering world frequently underestimate how long we've had a lot of the technology we have. 99% of the algorithms we use today were developed decades ago, they just didn't have the same practical applications immediately available. Most of the engineers of the 60's and 70's would have been right at home with today's developments and technologies. The only difference is that things have gotten smaller and faster. In the vast majority of technologies, that is the only thing that REALLY changes from one era to the next. If I told the average person that we had speech-synthesizing technology in 1936, they probably wouldn't believe me.

    I could show you a prototype of a simple drafting/design system that was operated by a light pen directly on a screen from the 1960's. You could draw a shape freehand, then immediately rotate it, modify it, duplicate it, or whatever. You could draw lines connecting different objects, then erase them by simply drawing a squiggly line over it. The computer could interpret the squiggles as a sign to erase something, all in real time. And this was half a century ago, and decades before CARET. Think about that for a moment. The point is, most of what we have today is much older than we think. The only differences are that it's faster, cheaper, and a marketing team has given it a glossy finish and found a commercial application for it. But if you take away some of the speed, power, ubiquity and consumer appeal, you'll find a lot of today's technology scattered throughout much of the 20th century. I hope this is helpful.
    Isaac"


    Continued.........................
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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 09:33am

    From: Isaac
    Subject: Re: "Drones"
    Date: June 27, 2007 Received 4:28 PM, Albuquerque, New Mexico
    To: earthfiles@earthfiles.com

    Isaac: "1) While I wasn't a major player in the (CARET) organization, I was hardly 'some worker.' My middle-management position is the only reason I was able to make out with what I did. Bear in mind that even someone in my position would never get the chance to leave with even the smallest of actual artifacts, but paperwork smuggling was feasible for anyone who wasn't subjected to the frisking.

    Also, let's not forget that paperwork only proves so much. I'll be the first to agree that everything I've provided could be faked, I suppose. It is, after all, just a series of images. While the powers that be obviously don't want this material leaking if they can help it, they're certainly aware that scans of documents aren't in the same league as UFOs landing on the White House lawn. I'm not the first person to leak a document or a photo, and I won't be the last. The information I've shared is very unlikely to change the world, and this is the reason I'm not worried about being literally murdered if I'm identified. I'll face consequences to be sure, but it's not the kind of thing they kill for.

    2) Of course the manual doesn't look anything like typical government and military documents. The entire purpose of CARET was to recreate the look and feel of silicon valley private enterprise, populate it with private industry engineers, and let it tackle the problem of extraterrestrial technology research. Style manuals were among the numerous things we brought with us from the 'outside world.' I'm not sure what else can be said about this. I agree it's uncommon for non-standard documents to come out of this kind of research, but it's even more uncommon for people like myself (and even more so for many of my co-workers) to be brought into this kind of project in the first place. Most of us were decidedly not military men. I find it a lot more bizarre than the fact that we were able to design our reports a certain way. CARET was an exception to many of the usual rules.

    3) If he (one of many critics who emailed Earthfiles and which I shared with Isaac) believes the pictures are fake, I certainly can't do or say anything to prove otherwise. He sounds very sure of himself.

    4) Most importantly, be very wary of anyone who claims to 'know the mind' of extraterrestrials. The comments he's made are, to put it lightly, naive and extremely presumptuous. Firstly, he's referring to 'the aliens' as if there is a single collective group of them. The universe is not split into 'humans' and 'non-humans,' any more than Earth is split up into 'Spanish' and 'non-Spanish' or something equally arbitrary. There are numerous races - and again, like our own races of humans here on earth, they do things in very different ways.

    His comment that 'the aliens don't do this or that' is akin to saying 'humans don't speak Japanese.' Well, many humans don't, but Japanese humans certainly do. The point is not that his statement is right or wrong, but simply that it's phrased illogically. He then goes on to suggest that the design of the drones is wasting space, which is again, alarming in its arrogance. We had some of the brightest minds in the world spending years just to understand a single facet of their technology, while this individual claims to be able to assess basically every detail of a given design after looking at a single photo and conclude that it's inefficient. I'm not even sure such a statement should be dignified with a response, and I'm sure you can understand why.

    To be honest, whoever this person is, I wrote him off as soon as he said 'the aliens would never design as these pictures depict.' That's about as presumptuous (if not ignorant) as a statement on this subject can be, at least coming from a fellow human. Unless there's an alien engineer on the other side of this email, there's simply no way such statements could have merit. I'm really only writing this as a courtesy to you.

    At best, he's been exposed to technology from a radically different race, and at worst, he doesn't know what he's talking about. This individual may have access to real information, and he might not. If he is a fellow 'whistle blower,' then I'm not interested in attacking him. If he's not, and is simply making things up, then I'm even less interested. Whatever he is or isn't is not for me to say, but judging by the way he talks about this issue I have my doubts.

    It's a big world and these are complicated issues. A sense of humility and the admission we don't know everything is one of our greatest assets.

    Isaac"

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Jul 28th, 2007, 09:50am

    In defence of LMH, she may have wanted Isaac to silence the critics once and for all. Now she can moved on to other issues with him.

    Also, and this is important, Isaac was listening to the program last night.....therefore LMH was very careful what she said about her other contacts. I'm sure she doesn't want to spook him any more than he already is. She has to play her hand very carefully with Isaac. I'm sure she would love to have Isaac talk on the phone but he's just not ready to do that.

    Just my thoughts and ATO you make some very good points also.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Jul 28th, 2007, 09:52am

    Just to clarify what ATO is referring to here - an individual came over from another forum and, without bothering to check his information (or PM me to ask) assumed that because my nickname is "MarkM" that I was someone he knew. This wasn't the case and once my actual identity was confirmed the individual apologized. Case closed.

    I guess I'm not as convinced that LMH has burned any bridges with Isaac, although I do agree that LMH could have handled her first encounters with him in a more diplomatic way. Assuming, as we do, that Isaac has been following the drama in the forums then I'm sure he's gotten a good dose of the criticism that's out there!

    Judging from the replies by individuals such as Saladfingers (the prolific CGI artist) on the OM thread, Isaac's emails fell on deaf ears. Something I'm sure he anticipated. I think his comments were aimed more at helping the fencesitters to better understand things.

    I'll go out on a limb and predict that we'll see some new info in the next week or so.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 09:54am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 09:50am, urantia606 wrote:
    In defence of LMH, she may have wanted Isaac to silence the critics once and for all. Now she can moved on to other issues with him.

    Also, and this is important, Isaac was listening to the program last night.....therefore LMH was very careful what she said about her other contacts. I'm sure she doesn't want to spook him any more than he already is. She has to play her hand very carefully with Isaac. I'm sure she would love to have Isaac talk on the phone but he's just not ready to do that.

    Just my thoughts and ATO you make some very good points also.


    She doesn't know what she's doing Urantia. She's only presenting a story but she has had no idea of the research that has been going over the past month or what to even look at and consider.

    I know this because of what sits on the top of her website address today. It's something WE knew all along and was confirmed when she sent YOU the email with Tys high-resolution photo.

    http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1292&category=Environment

    She had the darn high-resolution pictures over a month ago and she had all of that time to see for herself that the linguistic primers were there all along but said nothing?!

    It wasn't until WE showed her what it was that SHE was sitting on all of this time, did she THEN provide it in her website as if it were HER find.

    07-21-07 High Resolution Photographs of Big Basin Craft
    http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasinhighres.html

    Those high-resolution pictures meant nothing to her and we didn't know this - well, not until now.
    .
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:06am

    That high-resolution picture and the association of the linguistic primers was posted to the UFO Casebook website on July 21. That was when she learned that she had messed up because she's not using the UFO Casebook as a source and instead is withholding that information because if she didn't - what would we know for sure. We would know that she did not realize it all along and so would everybody else.

    07-21-07 High Resolution Photographs of Big Basin Craft
    http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasinhighres.html

    The following are the only sources that Earthfiles is reporting on that page with the Ty hi-res photo and the enlarged picture of the linguistic primer. Why did she omit the UFO Casebook. Read between the lines, she's covering her be-hind.

    I'm sorry but it's just one more reason that this Isaac thing should not be in her control. For that matter, we have forum members that could have handled it very diplomatically and would have obtained a very positive result with Isaac.

    Quote:
    "Isaac": http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/
    Majestic 12 Documents: http://www.majesticdocuments.com
    Coast to Coast AM: http://www.coasttocoastam.com

    .


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:16am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:06am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    I'm sorry but it's just one more reason that this Isaac thing should not be in her control.

    I must admit that if Isaac had done anything other than to, “Come out fighting” as he did in this (retaliatory?) email it would have rang serious alarm bells for me.

    As it is, it’s exactly the way I would have approached what Isaac views as unjust and unfair criticisms levelled at him, I think however that LMH could have displayed a lot more tact in her prior correspondence with Isaac as out of all of the criticisms that have been stated regarding Isaac and his documents, the two emails she sent him are probably some of the worst criticisms I’ve seen.

    When I say the worst, I mean inherently biased, one-sided, unfounded and evidently un-researched criticisms, merely dismissing things out of hand with not even a token attempt at trying to substantiate any of the claims.

    Yet again, the entire incident has left more questions than answers and I fear it may well be the last we hear from Isaac, on a personal level anyway (i.e. emails), let’s just hope he releases the rest of his documents as a defiant and final retort.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:22am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:16am, DrDil wrote:
    As it is, it’s exactly the way I would have approached what Isaac views as unjust and unfair criticisms levelled at him, I think however that LMH could have displayed a lot more tact in her prior correspondence with Isaac as out of all of the criticisms that have been stated regarding Isaac and his documents, the two emails she sent him are probably some of the worst criticisms I’ve seen.


    I agree. actually the thought crossed my mind that this might be exactly why those critiques were used - they're sort of a "Readers Digest" version of the harshest challenges out there. A bit like tearing the Band Aid off quickly as opposed to in little bits shocked
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:30am

    Re: Skeptical questions from the public.

    It is my hope that Isaac knows that when you dealing with the 'public' and not a select UFO savvy audience, you are talking to all kinds of people.

    I could use descriptive language to describe these types of people but it's best for me not to use such words on this site. LOL

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:34am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:06am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    I'm sorry but it's just one more reason that this Isaac thing should not be in her control. For that matter, we have forum members that could have handled it very diplomatically and would have obtained a very positive result with Isaac.


    We need to be careful about what we say about Earthfiles... I for one, have been very grateful to have the information from the eye-witnesses and such from that site. None of us are perfect, or could handle things perfectly. For those of you that question whether it came from Isaac because he said he would only send to C2C -- this could have been his initial creed, but LMH could have gotten permission via C2C to approach him directly. I agree that she sent the critiques in to Isaac to Shut Them Up@!

    I agree, that I probably would have approached it differently. It was my initial idea for us in this forum to begin to get questions for Isaac... and hence, WatchingWaiting set up the direct forum thread for the questions.

    What I would do now, ATO, is compile a list of the questions from the thread and kindly ask our #1 ally in this -- LMH -- if she could possibly send Isaac our questions and post his responses.

    For all of us, talking about LMH in a negative way will not help us to get more Isaac info. We, the UFO community, need to unite as a team. If you want ATO... I can send in the email to her, or you or BJ even. We definitely need to keep her as an ally, and work together.

    When the naysayers come in here and see nothing but bickering between UFO sites, or between ourselves.... that surely doesn't help to prove what we believe.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by brm1 on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:36am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:45am, Xeroid wrote:
    Xerox didn't see a future so those guys left XPARC and started Apple


    huh??
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:36am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:22am, MarkM wrote:
    A bit like tearing the Band Aid off quickly as opposed to in little bits shocked


    Great analogy! I couldn't have come up with a better one.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:41am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:34am, castles4me wrote:
    We need to be careful about what we say about Earthfiles... I for one, have been very grateful to have the information from the eye-witnesses and such from that site.


    In a way you're asking us not to speak our minds. If we don't do that, we'll never uncover the truth. I honestly think that someone else should run with the ball and send her to the sidelines.

    She's not qualified, this was simply seen when she only today posts the correlation between the hi-res Ty images and the association that is suddenly discovered in regard to the linguistic primers - that wasn't suddenly discovered by anyone but herself after others showed her. Do you really think her first thought wasn't, "oh s***, what did I do - or rather not do.

    There was absolutely NO reason to withhold those TY photos. But yet, she had them all this time and never saw what was under her nose.
    .
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:46am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:34am, castles4me wrote:
    We need to be careful about what we say about Earthfiles...


    And don't forget, the only reason she got the Isaac thing was through Coast to Coast due to her close ties with them. It wasn't hers to begin with. They could have given it to anyone. Instead, those "anyones" are quite angry that she got it. Well I think that those "anyones" should now be given Isaac's email address and let's start all over again.
    .
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Xeroid on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:50am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:36am, brm1 wrote:
    huh??


    Sorry I should have given more detail:

    Xerox didn't seem too interested in developing the Alto personal computer.....so those guys who had been working on the project at XPARC, moved on and made the most of it elsewhere.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:55am



    Don't worry Castes4me. She doesn't read our forum. This is obvious.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:02am

    Could we maybe keep the comments on the two new Isaac emails within the Isaac Email thread instead of this one.

    Also in there, we can also work on what it was Isaac said.

    EARTHFILES ** RELEASES EMAILS FROM ISAAC **
    http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=drone&action=display&num=1185633694
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by brm1 on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:58am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:50am, Xeroid wrote:
    Sorry I should have given more detail:

    Xerox didn't seem too interested in developing the Alto personal computer.....so those guys who had been working on the project at XPARC, moved on and made the most of it elsewhere.



    Actually Apple was founded by Steve Jobs and the woz. They visited Xerox PARC and came away with the idea of the mouse and graphical interface Xerox dropped the ball -- that led to the development of the LISA the Lisa led to the development and release of the Mac in 1984 (which by the way was totally capable of creating the documents that Isaac presented, the Lisa sold for 10,000 in 1982 or 83 and was mostly purchased by government and big business. I know this because I was selling Lisa's in that time frame. Xerox had the first laser printer to be used with the microcomputer 1980 or 1981 if I recall -- cost as much as two chevys though. Apple introduced the Laser writer in 1985 (5,000_ the software was Aldus pagemaker and the computer was the Mac. That is considered the birth of desktop publishing. Quite within the means of a gee whiz gov. project. As a matter of fact Xerox, Rochester Institute of Technology Xerox and Kodak were my biggest customers for that particular technology.

    Who started Apple is a niggiling point but when your are debating speculation it is particularly important to keep real facts straight.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:00pm

    IT's A BIG WORLD AND THESE ARE COMPLICATED ISSUES A SENSE OF HUMILITY AND THE ADMISSION WE DONT KNOW EVERTHING IS ONE OF OUR GREATEST ASSETS. ISAAC MOSTLY, BE VERY WEARY OF ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO(KNOW THE MINDS ) OF (EXTRATERRESTRALS) YOU ARE THE BOSS(ET). THIS PUTS ME BACK IN THE MIND OF MY DREAM OF THE DRONE.BAKOSAWA, I GUESS ISAAC ANSWERED YOUR SHADOW QUESTION.(ARTISTS) and FINALY ISAAC DONT SEPERATE (ET)FROM HIS WORK. wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:10pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:16am, DrDil wrote:
    I must admit that if Isaac had done anything other than to, “Come out fighting” as he did in this (retaliatory?) email it would have rang serious alarm bells for me.


    He sure had a lot more patience then I would have had with those two 'critics'. The absurdity of the questions they posed and the usage of CAPS was something I would have never presented to him to begin with.

    People yell at their children but since when do they yell at adults while using CAPS? Unless?
    .
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:29pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:45am, starsigndavid wrote:
    I saw that on a SciFi Channel series, THE UFO FILES, which dealt with sighting by astronauts and pilots. I believe she referred to "the alien craft still being in sight", then the transmission switched over to the secret, classified channel.


    Not alleged, I have the clip on video somewhere. When I find it I'll post it. It actually showed her looking and transmitting........
    It did happen.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:36pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 07:37am, inex wrote:
    Hi,

    If it is any use to this debate, I can reveal that I am the witness who filmed the Farnborough, Hampshire, UK, triangle of lights on Sunday, July 22nd that LMH discussed on the latest Coast to Coast radio broadcast...I have spoken with her at length on the telephone and received various e-mail correspondances from her as well and found her to be one of the most diligent and conscientious reporters that anyone could imagine.
    The lengths that this lady goes to obtain evidence is quite incredible...
    On one occasion I took the opportunity to ask her from one researcher to another, whether she wholeheartedly believes that the Isaac, Chad, Big Basin etc "Drone" mystery is true, or just a clever hoax as many have claimed... and she has told me that she had no doubts that it is all "real".
    Unlike many other researchers in this field Linda does everything that she can to provide us with the finest ufo information.


    I'm a bit behind but I'd like to welcome you to the Casebook and congrats on the video.
    What is up with the Cops there, they totally didn't say what everyone else said happened, did someone get to them ?

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:48pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 07:46am, OnlookerDelay wrote:
    I truly envy you! I've seen one "green fireball" in my life, and that's been the extent of my UFO experience.


    I wish you were with me and my girlfriend at the time in 1986.
    We chased one after watching it hover over a hospital.
    8 deep blood red lights visible from a distance, but if you got under it the thing was filled with white lights.At no time did the lights illuminate the area around themselves, I thought that was crazy as bright as they were.
    We chased it, got stuck at a traffic light near a lake, do you know the damned thing waited for us, my girl was freaking out , trying to get out of the car. The white lights were visible in the reflection of of the lake. Since I lived in the area I went back the next day , it was 600 feet from us over the lake, and 4 inches long at arms length.
    I didn't have to report it to the police, they were in front of my house with 15 of my neighbors looking at it. When I said I was going to chase it they said...."we tried, couldn't keep up with it at all. They told me to let my girl watch it while I drove so I wouldn't get into an accident, and he said good luck.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:51pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 09:52am, MarkM wrote:
    Judging from the replies by individuals such as Saladfingers (the prolific CGI artist) on the OM thread, Isaac's emails fell on deaf ears. Something I'm sure he anticipated. I think his comments were aimed more at helping the fencesitters to better understand things.

    I'll go out on a limb and predict that we'll see some new info in the next week or so.


    Answering the skeptics is always going to fall on deaf ears because they are not interested in hearing it. They only want to convince others their side is correct. It's a waste of time to answer them. They are afraid of the changes that come out of this knowledge.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:59pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 04:03am, DrDil wrote:
    Perhaps it’s because she can’t (legally) copyright her page <which she does at the bottom> without referencing her sources, be they anonymous or not.

    I’m not sure if it was on her site, but I’ve seen the Rajman images copyrighted to the Flickr account which was hacked and subsequently shut down, but the copyright remained.


    I looked it up. It turns out that one cannot inforce a copyright and remain anonymous. So if someone began profiting by sell Chad pics, Chad would have to come out and file motion (with his full name) in a court to sue.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Jul 28th, 2007, 1:01pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 09:50am, urantia606 wrote:
    In defence of LMH, she may have wanted Isaac to silence the critics once and for all. Now she can moved on to other issues with him.

    Also, and this is important, Isaac was listening to the program last night.....therefore LMH was very careful what she said about her other contacts. I'm sure she doesn't want to spook him any more than he already is. She has to play her hand very carefully with Isaac. I'm sure she would love to have Isaac talk on the phone but he's just not ready to do that.

    Just my thoughts and ATO you make some very good points also.



    I liked the fact that he put those people straight, I hated hearing this didn't happen then and you couldn't get this equipment, total BS, if you had the money the technology was available. This I knew from my late '70's work with Intel and Texas Instuments on Sputtering Technology, and Cryogenics, but it wouldn't have mattered what anyone said to them. Other's tried to no avail.
    It's tough dealing with False Gods of Knowledge.
    Oh, the part about knowing how aliens think was priceless, I got a big kick outta that LOL.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 28th, 2007, 1:39pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 1:01pm, LangLee wrote:
    Oh, the part about knowing how aliens think was priceless, I got a big kick outta that LOL.


    It's sad that Isaac was even bothered with it in the first place. LMH should be ashamed to even forward that kind of obsurdity on to him. She should know better. I'm pissed. angry

    When I think about all of the emails I (and many other openminded people) have sent her asking valid thoughtful questions and she latches onto that nonsense to forward to him, it upsets me.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by wim on Jul 28th, 2007, 1:50pm

    I'm sure this has been discussed before but in regard to the critique article ( http://www.ufocasebook.com/critiquedronephotographs.html ) and its discussion of pixelation : how can that assessment be made from analysis of lossy images without taking that in to account ? I see nothing wrong with the pixelation given the lossy nature of the images themselves to begin with.

    Anyway... I'm sure this has been already addressed in the plethora of outpouring about this topic.

    I'm hoping for either more information or a conclusive answer soon. Leaning towards more information at the moment.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by GForce on Jul 28th, 2007, 2:09pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 1:39pm, Latitude wrote:
    It's sad that Isaac was even bothered with it in the first place. LMH should be ashamed to even forward that kind of obsurdity on to him. She should know better. I'm pissed. angry

    When I think about all of the emails I (and many other openminded people) have sent her asking valid thoughtful questions and she latches onto that nonsense to forward to him, it upsets me.


    I'll play the devil's advocate here. What if that's her way of prodding him to either come foward or release more information to counter their claims. Granted it could backfire but it also may light a fire underneath his fanny.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 28th, 2007, 2:41pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 2:09pm, GForce wrote:
    I'll play the devil's advocate here. What if that's her way of prodding him to either come forward or release more information to counter their claims. Granted it could backfire but it also may light a fire underneath his fanny.


    I don't see the validity of that reasoning at all. When I put myself into Isaac's shoes I am more likely to say "To heck with it. If even the researcher does not believe me then why am I sticking my neck out? They don't seem to want what I have to offer".

    A better course of action would be to rally around him with overwhelming support backed by an enthusiastic public following.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Jul 28th, 2007, 2:43pm

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 7:17pm, VonStern wrote:
    If This link (BB Photo's / Caret Primer) can be established as either a hoax or proven valid, it will end all discussion regarding this matter.

    Just my opinion,

    --VonStern


    Well yeah of course it would.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by GForce on Jul 28th, 2007, 2:51pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 2:41pm, Latitude wrote:
    I don't see the validity of that reasoning at all. When I put myself into Isaac's shoes I am more likely to say "To heck with it. If even the researcher does not believe me then why am I sticking my neck out? They don't seem to want what I have to offer".

    A better course of action would be to rally around him with overwhelming support backed by an enthusiastic public following.


    Latitude don't get me wrong, I didn't say I agreed with it. I don't! I was just trying to understand her reasoning. It just sounds like she was trying to use reverse psychology to either get a stir out of him or more likely additional information.
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    Post by Marvin on Jul 28th, 2007, 2:53pm

    on Yesterday at 14:50:35, bakosawa wrote:

    Looking at the Ty photos (especially at the high-res) and the Isaac photos, two things just jump out at me… a solid white (lacking detail) background (you just do not see this in photos)

    It is not easy to get a solid white background that tops the RGB scale, without having variation, somewhere in the field of vision. I can’t do it.


    on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:30pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
    But others can with a HDR type of camera...
    An example there


    Re-read what I said (It is not easy to get a solid white background that tops the RGB scale, without having variation, somewhere in the field of vision.) and look at the picture again (click on "An example here")… at the upper right and left corners. These are the sky details that are missing in the Ty photos. Thank you for helping me to prove my point.

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:47pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
    I work all day long on Xpress, Photoshop and Illustrator (in a small communication agency) and I find the hoax (if it is one) is very very convincing. It's not frank (tongue) to say the opposite.
    It is the first time, as far as I know that a hoax (if it is one) contains texts (in the shape of a real "book"), pictures, illustrations (all very well done) and witnesses. I'm not sure it's real (actually, I say this because I don't want to be disappointed if it's proven to be fake but I feel it's true).
    The Ty's photos are on a white background but Raj and Chads' aren't. What is your opinion about it?


    I have not said that Raj or Chad’s are fake or real… I will let someone who is more CGI literate investigate that.

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    Post by LangLee on Jul 28th, 2007, 2:58pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 1:39pm, Latitude wrote:
    It's sad that Isaac was even bothered with it in the first place. LMH should be ashamed to even forward that kind of obsurdity on to him. She should know better. I'm pissed. angry

    When I think about all of the emails I (and many other openminded people) have sent her asking valid thoughtful questions and she latches onto that nonsense to forward to him, it upsets me.


    If we were talking with him and someone asked him "why did they build the craft that way, it isn't aerodynamic ? ", I would be embarassed to be in the same room when that was asked.
    The comparison of our wings ,propellers ,and jet engines, to something that doesn't require such devices nauseates me to no end.
    The thing my girl and I saw went from about 150 feet off of the ground to a pin point in about 2.5 to 3 seconds from a stand still, don't think aerodynamics had anything to do with that.
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    Post by LangLee on Jul 28th, 2007, 3:03pm

    bakosawa I swear that I saw someone post a pic they took at an airshow with a white-out background and you commented on that too.
    I'm not critisizing you, it just keeps on feeling like "Groundhog Day" when I read one of your posts.
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    Post by chgowriter on Jul 28th, 2007, 3:59pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:58am, brm1 wrote:
    Actually Apple was founded by Steve Jobs and the woz. They visited Xerox PARC and came away with the idea of the mouse and graphical interface Xerox dropped the ball -- that led to the development of the LISA the Lisa led to the development and release of the Mac in 1984 (which by the way was totally capable of creating the documents that Isaac presented, the Lisa sold for 10,000 in 1982 or 83 and was mostly purchased by government and big business. I know this because I was selling Lisa's in that time frame. Xerox had the first laser printer to be used with the microcomputer 1980 or 1981 if I recall -- cost as much as two chevys though. Apple introduced the Laser writer in 1985 (5,000_ the software was Aldus pagemaker and the computer was the Mac. That is considered the birth of desktop publishing. Quite within the means of a gee whiz gov. project. As a matter of fact Xerox, Rochester Institute of Technology Xerox and Kodak were my biggest customers for that particular technology.

    Who started Apple is a niggiling point but when your are debating speculation it is particularly important to keep real facts straight.


    REsponding to this because you seem to recall the "newness" of DTP technologies. However, you aren't taking account Adobe's part in it making desktop publishing possible. The fonts, Bezier curve technology, etc etc. I can't in my wildest dreams imagine Xerox letting something like this be borrowed or used by someone like CARET, since Xerox was working on developing the same technology for its own commercial purposes.

    I still believe Isaac's report would HAVE to have been produced offset at the time -- particularly to include the photos in it. He says no, because they had to be able to change it all the time. OK... Dont' want to go into that, that is, exactly how impossible those kinds of changes were in those days, and how that became a major selling point for DTP.

    Someone brought up Ventura software as among the first DTP apps available. I was using Ventura in the mid-80s. No possible way you could produce a document like Isaac's report. Even if you could -- no laser printer at the time could have printed it out in such high resolution.

    In addition, thought I'd see if I could find a "real" engineering report to try to compare it to Isaac's just in terms of general features. Did find this (see link below), which, interestingly enough, comes from Cisco -- a Silicon Valley company. This apparently was an internal report on some kind of new technology. Note the "Confidential" at the bottom of every page, though apparently Cisco was only working on its own ideas and nothing like alien telchnology borrowed from the government.

    www.cisco.com/application/pdf/en/us/guest/netsol/ns103/c654/cdccont_0900aecd800c552e.pdf

    Always feel like I'm spoiling the party, but I'm sure you guys are way past listening to the counter-arguments about the authenticity of Isaac's documents or the orginial CGI graphics, so don't believe I'll be doing you any harm!

    You know, bias goes both ways, both pro and con.

    I do believe that there are UFOs, and it seems to be that these types of hoaxes just make it impossible for anyone to do serious research on the genuine cases. And they guarantee that no real scientist would touch this topic.

    Chgowriter
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    Post by castles4me on Jul 28th, 2007, 4:24pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 3:59pm, chgowriter wrote:
    In addition, thought I'd see if I could find a "real" engineering report to try to compare it to Isaac's just in terms of general features. Did find this (see link below), which, interestingly enough, comes from Cisco -- a Silicon Valley company. This apparently was an internal report on some kind of new technology. Note the "Confidential" at the bottom of every page, though apparently Cisco was only working on its own ideas and nothing like alien telchnology borrowed from the government.

    www.cisco.com/application/pdf/en/us/guest/netsol/ns103/c654/cdccont_0900aecd800c552e.pdf

    Chgowriter


    This "real" report was also made in 2001... how could we compare this to one done in '86? Doesn't prove a thing.
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    Post by jugement on Jul 28th, 2007, 4:25pm

    LANGLEE wrote; we chased one after watching it hover over a hospital; my first sighting was simaler, yet we was riding in a car.the lady I was riding with did not know what she was witnessing. five of them apeared in front of st,marys hospital above electrical wires. coming towards us was chanel five news anchor truck. never saw any thing in the news of it. this hapened in west palm beach fla. later I was told that those are the ones that are seen over hospitals are scientist and doctors. they are mainly respons coolible for most abductions.
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    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Jul 28th, 2007, 4:29pm

    After reading the new report on the extraordinary Linda Moulton Howe Earthfiles Website by ISAAC where he obliterates his childish detractors, I am back. These are my personal opinions that follow. I do not like OMF (IMO) due to their youthful and inexperienced opinions on very important subjects. Someone someday can explain to me why devout skeptics come to sites such as this if it is not to ridicule other opinions and start trouble. IMO this is there only legitimate reason for surfacing. To you ATO, do as you wish that is your power. IMO these events are far from over and are now a substantial part of UFO History and can not be debunked. Doubt may be cast upon them, but they will last for a long time and no one will ever know the absolute truth about them. I would strongly suggest that all humans wake up to the fact that something other that "human" is rousing now. It is far, far more powerful that humans and will not take human threats in any form. It (IMO) is not new to this earth and it is not going away. To all: "STAY TUNED".
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    Post by brm1 on Jul 28th, 2007, 5:20pm

    Aren't skeptics the only thing holding truths feet to the fire??
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    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 5:24pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 4:29pm, LEVIATHAN66 wrote:
    To you ATO, do as you wish that is your power.


    Leviathan66, it really and simply comes down to one thing, which is Freedom of Speech. The messages that I convey come from the webmaster and not myself. I hope you figured that out. He feels, and he's correct that skeptics have an opinion and such should be accepted. To turn away the skeptic would be biased and asking for trouble.

    By skeptic, you know I mean skepticism that is accompanied by discovery (no matter how silly it may look to us) and not just words. Those with simply words are not skeptics by any means and only looking for an argument - you know this, I know this, we all know this.

    Yeah, it's a tough crowd at OMF, isn't it? Well, welcome back. One day at a time dude, one day at a time.

    And by the way, just so's ya know. I'm not a fence sitter. I believe Isaac is for real. I see Isaac in what he says, when he writes what it is he writes. Especially today. I don't have to look at a bunch of photos, linguistic primers or reports to see that the man is authentic in his words. Certainly the rest helps but I don't require such things anymore to be convinced.
    .
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    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 5:26pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 5:20pm, brm1 wrote:
    Aren't skeptics the only thing holding truths feet to the fire??


    Yes, the truth would probably rarely exist without the skeptic. Instead, we would all be living a lot of lies.

    Unfortunately, we've have had to define skeptic around here because there are many that come in calling themselves a skeptic, however are no more then a trouble maker looking for an argument.
    .
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    Post by Latitude on Jul 28th, 2007, 5:47pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 5:20pm, brm1 wrote:
    Aren't skeptics the only thing holding truths feet to the fire??


    I have heard this argument before that we need the skeptics to keep us honest. I actually used to believe too. But not any more. See, we are capable of deciphering the truth ourselves. We're not total idiots who need to be constantly checked by those who apparently think more realistically.

    What those skeptics do is confuse the issues. They cause us to get so bogged down that we begin doubting ourselves and our logic. We don't need them. We have our own "healthy skepticism". What they bring is unhealthy. It's a selective skepticism that can disbelieve one thing but at the same time believe a more outlandish theory. Like the kook who is on OMF right now spouting a theory that has the BB object suspended by a crane with fishing line.
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    Post by oljack666 on Jul 28th, 2007, 5:51pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 5:47pm, Latitude wrote:
    I have heard this argument before that we need the skeptics to keep us honest. I actually used to believe too. But not any more. See, we are capable of deciphering the truth ourselves. We're not total idiots who need to be constantly checked by those who apparently think more realistically.


    There's a lot of naive people in the world Latitude. I don't think the rules were set for you or people like you but somebody has to set rules based on the mindsets of others.
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    Post by ABCStore on Jul 28th, 2007, 7:34pm

    I've been listening to C2C last night till 2am EST. Once they moved onto 30-minute call-in segment I went to bed (and WM recorder kept running till 8am...). What a disappointment sad

    By the way, C2C can be listened to after 12am EST M-F at www.1140wrva.com

    ABC
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    Post by onthefence55 on Jul 28th, 2007, 9:39pm

    ChemicalDave
    Quote:
    I am a scientist, ...


    ChemicalDave, I noticed that your critique is still present here:

    http://www.ufocasebook.com/critiquedronephotographs.html

    As a scientist, are you going to follow up on that critique via email to the poster so that it is appended with your new findings?

    You now know that the image analyzed was in fact a highly compressed JPEG image which resulted in your erroneous findings. The critique page addendum should state that your photographic findings are not indicative of any hoax.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Jul 28th, 2007, 10:47pm

    chgowriter, I ask as you do, please give me some solid, hard, concrete, physical evidence that the documents are hoaxed, and that the Capitola pics are hoaxed.
    Produce something other than your words proving the documents weren't made where it is said they are made. You seem to think it couldn't be done because YOU couldn't make something like that back in the '80's....so you worked everywhere, you knew everything available. C'mon, give me a break.
    I myself have done work for the space agency and Defense Dept., I don't know their secrets, but I do know that some equipment I built for them in the '70's would've knocked you for a loop, and to this day we can't use what I made.
    I have no idea if this is all true, but I do know that there is a highly detailed sequence of events dating back to a witness observation in '86. Photos, documents, witness audio interviews, and you come up with ......... exactly.
    Not good enough........if you put this on scales you'd be outweighed.
    We come here, discuss, trade ideas....
    You come in.....with nothing constructive.
    I'll add that to "Mission Accomplished", "I did not have sexual relations with that woman", and the Pat Tillman debacle.
    The evidence is of no consequence, not even a consideration.
    If and when I get proof that this is real or hoax I'll pass it along.
    When you get proof that this is a hoax please pass it on.
    As you see my mission will entail much more work than your's will, because I'm looking both ways.
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    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:00pm

    Below is a filter picture of the Birmingham Drone I made soon after it appeared on the net. Notice the white globe like object in the center of the ring section. The globe is also correct for the surrounding lighting. What is it. OMF's expert dismissed the drone as CG without ever mentioning that of all the photos it is the lowest in resolution therefore limiting any detail. It also has file compression problems. The "expert" spent his time "proving" that he could reproduce a low resolution drone with compression problems. His reproduction is even less detailed and even though was excepted as the definative proof that this is also a fake. My question remains: What is the white globe?


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    Post by LangLee on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:09pm

    Got some ideas, maybe it's not a globe but a byproduct of whatever is going on in the center.
    Hard to say when I don't have a clue as to what the thing is for in the first place lol.
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    Post by castles4me on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:12pm

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:00pm, LEVIATHAN66 wrote:
    Below is a filter picture of the Birmingham Drone I made soon after it appeared on the net. Notice the white globe like object in the center of the ring section. The globe is also correct for the surrounding lighting. What is it. OMF's expert dismissed the drone as CG without ever mentioning that of all the photos it is the lowest in resolution therefore limiting any detail. It also has file compression problems. The "expert" spent his time "proving" that he could reproduce a low resolution drone with compression problems. His reproduction is even less detailed and even though was excepted as the definative proof that this is also a fake. My question remains: What is the white globe?



    I believe that this drone is a US back-engineered drone. The style is different from the ones that have alien writing on them. This one looks "cheaper" so to speak.

    The light anomaly in the center is probably from whatever energy field is operating in the device. I wonder why it got in the middle of the wires. As you can see, it is above some wires but below others. This is probably why it got decloaked.

    Also, there were unmarked trucks with unmarked trailers on the back in the vicinity. Someone dismissed them as saying that they were cable TV guys installing cable at someone's house? Since when does any company that is trying to SELL anything like Cable subscriptions use UNMARKED vehicleshuh Usually it says the name of the company like TimeWarner or ComCast or whatever on the outside of the vehicle, and it is usually VAN's not trucks with trailers.

    I remember Farmboy posting a link about Ubiquity in one of the threads and talked about US gov using these drones over telephone wires to spy on phone conversations.
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    Post by LangLee on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:26pm

    castles I believe it's a requirement for any Utility truck/ line repair has the proper identification, especially in this post 911 climate.
    Here in NY you must display your ID badge in plain site at all times.
    Since we are supposed to be getting some new power lines through here that people are protesting about, I've been keeping my eyes open for the "Lemon Juicer Drone."
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    Post by Lrkmeister on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:36pm

    Quote:
    I remember Farmboy posting a link about Ubiquity in one of the threads and talked about US gov using these drones over telephone wires to spy on phone conversations.


    I remember a post about ubiquitous computing too. Interesting. Also interesting is how some of these devices like hanging around poles that carry phone lines, cable (lots of data moving there). May be a clue to purpose there. I've often thought these drones look like flying antennae smiley

    Quote:
    What is the white globe?


    Now there's another $25,ooo question. Just looking at my desk here, I'd need to know, assuming I don't, what my desktop speakers are (their purpose, how they do it), before I can conjecture what that round cone thingy is. Not making fun, believe me. This seems like the major conundrum with the drones. As LangLee astutely put it:

    Quote:
    Hard to say when I don't have a clue as to what the thing is for in the first place lol.


    Best,
    L
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    Post by castles4me on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:20am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:26pm, LangLee wrote:
    castles I believe it's a requirement for any Utility truck/ line repair has the proper identification, especially in this post 911 climate.
    Here in NY you must display your ID badge in plain site at all times.
    Since we are supposed to be getting some new power lines through here that people are protesting about, I've been keeping my eyes open for the "Lemon Juicer Drone."


    Well, we need to reexamine the photos then from this sighting, the ones of the unmarked vehicles. The trailers looked big enough to haul this drone out there to the site (maybe a terrorists' house?) and they turned on it's antigrav device and put it in the air, but it got caught up between the wires and decloaked.

    re: "Lemon Juicer Drone" -- I too have always thought (and posted on several occasions) this drone looks more like a kitchen gadget than any of the other drones lol -- the Ginsu Drone! It slices, it dices... but WAIT there's more!
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    Post by castles4me on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:33am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:20am, castles4me wrote:
    Well, we need to reexamine the photos then from this sighting, the ones of the unmarked vehicles. The trailers looked big enough to haul this drone out there to the site (maybe a terrorists' house?) and they turned on it's antigrav device and put it in the air, but it got caught up between the wires and decloaked.


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    Post by figneutron on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:33am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:51pm, Latitude wrote:
    Answering the skeptics is always going to fall on deaf ears because they are not interested in hearing it. They only want to convince others their side is correct. It's a waste of time to answer them. They are afraid of the changes that come out of this knowledge.


    I just worked 30 minutes composing my response to your post, Latitude, then lost it somehow. I have yet to take AOL's advice to copy and paste from Word.

    Anyway, I agree. The mind of the hard-core, inveterate skeptic is emotionally constrained by defenses, in particular, by denial. This rigid, authoritarian, insecure personality type struggles to cope with consensual known everyday reality, and so unconsciously rejects the possibility of the intrusion of any mind-blowing phenomenon such as visitation of Earth by extraterrestrial lifeforms from far, far advanced civilizations. Neurotic insanity confronts us here; therefore, appeals to reason and evidence are futile. Best to ignore him.

    Oh, by the way, this is why he votes conservative Republican (fears change). No flaming, please!
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    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:36am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:33am, figneutron wrote:
    I just worked 30 minutes composing my response to your post, Latitude, then lost it somehow. I have yet to take AOL's advice to copy and paste from Word.

    Anyway, I agree. The mind of the hard-core, inveterate skeptic is emotionally constrained by defenses, in particular, by denial. This rigid, authoritarian, insecure personality type struggles to cope with consensual known everyday reality, and so unconsciously rejects the possibility of the intrusion of any mind-blowing phenomenon such as visitation of Earth by extraterrestrial lifeforms from far, far advanced civilizations. Neurotic insanity confronts us here; therefore, appeals to reason and evidence are futile. Best to ignore him.

    Oh, by the way, this is why he votes conservative Republican (fears change). No flaming, please!


    Dang, I wish I had written that! AMEN! grin
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    Post by Nephilim on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:47am

    A couple of things:

    Yes, cable service vehicles and personel are required to have proper identification. You call your cable company and ask them about their rules concerning allowing a cable repair man in your home and they will tell you flatley never allow a person in your home who does not have proper identification, telephone service, gas service....any service.

    However, I do not believe they are tapping into the phone lines. they don't need a strange craft to do that, it far more simple than that. My step-father used to work for a telephone company, he was one of the guys who did repair to the phone lines when they went down or a transceiver blew out during a storm or etc. Besides, most folks talk on cell phones nowdays:

    [FBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool]


    I'm not saying they weren't there, I'm saying they were there for a different purpose. What that purpose is, is a mystery at this point, but it had nothing to do with the stuff above. What they were/are doing is very irregular indeed.

    I also think that maybe these are different projects/different agendas altogether yet still conected as far as the technology.

    Here in Oklahoma, we see some odd technology occasionally being tested/created for the purpose of whether monitoring. We have the famous meteorologist, Gary England who invented the Dopplar Radar System as a tornado early warning system, as an example. I took some photos of a very strange pole near the side of the road close to my home. I used this photo to compare a bird in the sky to the UFO I got on film when I 1st came to this website. I was actually taking a picture of the pole, not the bird. It just fit well for the UFO photo so I used it there. Photo bleow:

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    Post by castles4me on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:50am

    I guess if Uk can have police run spy drones, then the US could have back-engineered alien invisible spy drones.

    from aviationtoday

    Wednesday, May 23, 2007

    UK Police Drones Drone Overhead
    The first pilotless police drone has been successfully tested and now, according to the news media, looks set to become a ubiquitous "eye in the sky" spy over Great Britain's crime areas. The 91 centimeter wide unmanned aerial vehicle carries closed circuit TV cameras and can quietly do its surveillance job from as high as 1500 feet for hours at a time. The remote control helicopter has a virtual reality control headset for its operator. He can see (and record) what the spy-in-the-sky can see. Merseyside police were first to launch the remote control helicopter in their quest to simplify tracking criminals and recording antisocial behavior. They will be running a three month trial. The main attraction is that they are very economical to operate in comparison with a helicopter.....
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    Post by Latitude on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:52am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:09pm, LangLee wrote:
    Got some ideas, maybe it's not a globe but a byproduct of whatever is going on in the center.
    Hard to say when I don't have a clue as to what the thing is for in the first place lol.


    My guess is plasma discharge. Some kind of electrical effect.

    Sorry to disagree Castles but I don't believe the object is man made. It's way beyond anything we have including all of Nasa. There's also the point that if it were man made it would not be flying over a populated area. That's never been the MO for black projects. I think the white trailers were probably for installing fibre optics and are not related to the drone.

    Accept it. We are being visited on a routine basis.
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    Post by figneutron on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:54am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:33am, figneutron wrote:
    I just worked 30 minutes composing my response to your post, Latitude, then lost it somehow. I have yet to take AOL's advice to copy and paste from Word.

    Anyway, I agree. The mind of the hard-core, inveterate skeptic is emotionally constrained by defenses, in particular, by denial. This rigid, authoritarian, insecure personality type struggles to cope with consensual known everyday reality, and so unconsciously rejects the possibility of the intrusion of any mind-blowing phenomenon such as visitation of Earth by extraterrestrial lifeforms from far, far advanced civilizations. Neurotic insanity confronts us here; therefore, appeals to reason and evidence are futile. Best to ignore him.

    Oh, by the way, this is why he votes conservative Republican (fears change). No flaming, please!


    Sorry, I meant to write "have yet to take ATO's advice."
    Could be AOL's advice, too. Who knows (lol)?
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    Post by Latitude on Jul 29th, 2007, 01:17am

    I saw this post on Whitley Strieber's forum. Very interesting stuff. Some of it is pretty far out. Should I invite the guy to come here and elaborate?

    Quote:
    Do I Share IsaacCARET Schematic, or Not ? HELP !

    Friends,

    I have a bit of a dilemma on my hands here, one concerning a MAJOR SUBJECT :

    You know the ' Isaac ' CARET Documents showing the Dragonfly/ Drone UFO Schematic ? The major Language Analysis Primer ?

    http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

    http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-lang-analysis-p119-halfsize.jpg

    Well, I have somehow managed TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT 90 % OF IT, in outline form, anyway.

    And NOW I am really conflicted about whether or not to POST here my findings.....

    This all started out with my writing a commentary on my impressions of the Isaac information, intending to share that with everyone here.
    But NOW, things have taken a rather sudden and I think more serious turn, when some major information seemed to fall into place unexpectedly.

    For starters, know that Isaac HAS ALREADY SUPPLIED sufficient information that would allow one TO PIECE TOGETHER THE CORRECT MEANING OF THE SCHEMATIC, in outline form, as I say.

    The two key pieces of information that he supplied, which make possible the CERTAIN understanding of the larger picture, are

    1 ) the fact that the Dragonfly device utilizes a Cloaking Device;

    2 ) the fact of the presence of a Gravity Generator

    And I assure you, I CAN POINT OUT ON THE SCHEMATIC the identity of the Cloak/ Projector and the identity of the Gravity Generator. And I AM CERTAIN OF THIS ! !

    BUT, it does NOT stop there ! Because, you see, once you begin to see where one or two components fit in, you very quickly are able to deduce the functions of the other Schematic Symbols !

    AND I AM ABOUT 90 % OF THE WAY !

    So, I NOW have gotten myself into a really MAJOR MAJOR PROBLEM because, I NOW have to make A QUITE SERIOUS DECISION- DO I POST, or do I NOT post ?

    I MEAN this- this is FOR REAL !

    At this very moment, I have just copied the above Isaac document onto a floppy to take to the printers to make some hard copies which will expedite the making of some notations and sharing in person. But I have neither scanner nor graphics utility. Not even a printer !

    And, personally, I am NOT liking the direction this stuff seems to be headed.

    And all this comes up at a time when I do not have a lot of time to spare, as I am getting ready to go on a trip up North, into Ojibway Country.

    Besides, I have a LOT of doubts and questions, mainly about whether and when and how to present this information, which I feel is solid : it almost feels like a TEST of some kind, it is all so far out ! I am worried that the Government may just be using us on a kind of fishing expedition, collecting information on UFO Technology from as many and varied sources as possible. And in the process ferreting out any ' traitors ' inclined to public disclosure.

    Can anybody here SEE just HOW DEEP this is all getting ?

    It just this moment occurred to me that maybe I ought to present A LIST NAMING THE SUBSYSTEMS I have definitely identified, but WITHHOLDING identifying their precise location on the schematic. Besides, it's a lot more FUN to try this FOR YOURSELF ! I REALLY THINK WE CAN DO THIS ! ! ( Isaac made the two I named pretty obvious, really. )

    What do you all think ?
    Is that a safe and balanced approach ?

    If you so think, I will present the list anytime.
    ( We need to come up with our own in- house terminology allowing us to communicate our schematic references- but JUST DO YOUR BEST ! )

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    Thanks Everyone,

    For encouraging me to go ahead and post my ideas about the Schematic. I think it's unanimous !

    Here is a list of proposed Subsystems for the IsaacCARET Dragonfly/ Drone Schematic, as I promised :

    ( I would offer the idea that you all take this list and try to match it up with the Schematic Symbols for yourselves ( the ' round things ', not the Script Glyphs ), see what kind of progress the discussion allows us, given that both Isaac and I have dropped a few hints along the way. This all can be a lot more FUN if I withhold my own views on the matching for a little while ! Besides keeping open the discussion options. )

    Propulsion, a 3- Space Rigidity Attenuator/ Lock/ Navigator

    Gravity Generator

    Cloak/ Projector/ Camera that includes a Tri- Axial Emitter arrangement, a Polarizing Differentiator EMR Generator and a Coherent Near Field Re- Circulator ( which is like a highly tunable/ modulatable LASER ) which itself is connected to a smaller Semi- Autonomous Controller

    Control, non- Autonomous ( includes a more distributed secondary system )

    Control, Semi- Autonomous

    Sub- Space Link ( Direct Communications Link to the Gray's Side of the Great Divide )

    Autonomous Control ( includes a more distributed secondary system ) including showing what is possibly a Navigator Subsystem Planetary linked to Propulsion

    Human Contact/ Presence Detection Subroutine Controller, responds to human contact with device, includes both Conditional and Un- Conditional Subroutines

    Systems Integration : " the Core "

    Those are all of the Subsystems I could identify and name to date. ( Excepting for one possible connection which I discuss below. )

    You should, with a little thought and trial and error fit, be able to match an above name to a major component or components of the Schematic. I GUARANTEE IT ! ( OH ! It is, as far as I have experienced so far, NOT been necessary to ' know ' the meanings of the Symbolic Script to decypher this outline, but it stands to reason the Script will eventually HAVE TO BE understood to some level in order to go much further. For now, the only ' language ' you really need to be able to ' think ' in is basic Systems Theory, and I can coach you through that. I do NOT know the meaning of the Script, but it MAY BE decypherable : by the way, if you have noticed a generally circular orientation to each of the Script characters, YOU WOULD BE CORRECT ! )

    Page 119 has sufficient resolution for this discussion at the scale of Subsystem.

    Think in Systems Terms, meaning in terms of necessary Feedbacks ( among other properties, like relative Information Stream Density ), how one system needs to have give and take with the other systems, with some to a greater degree and with some to a lesser degree, some to the external environment ( which includes TWO Universes ! ), but most limited to the internal architecture. The entire thing is based on Phase Relationships, thus the circles everywhere !

    Thus, fundamentally, the Schematic represents a Flow Chart, or Flow Diagram, showing Device Geometry at the scale of Subsystem AT LEAST, but I think much finer detail is derivable from the ' Bar Codes ' and the Script.

    Excluding the Controllers and the Core, there are only 4 major Subsystems. Other items are secondary.

    I believe the Projector is able to not only display Images analogous to LIGHT but ALSO able to project MENTAL IMAGES, which I think are used by the Grays or Living Alien Entities to convey Mental Inclinations or Spiritual Attitudes, if you prefer, into our Dimension, onto the humans. For example, I believe I see 2 ' taps ' running from the Sub- Space Com Link which intercept the ' Data ' Stream joining the Core to the CNFR-C LASER stage of the Projector. It is accomplished by ' piggy- backing ' Psychic Attitudes onto the Tri- Axial Projector Data Stream. The Aliens ARE ABLE TO AFFECT OUR MINDS !

    I already posted how Isaac gave what I think are KEYS to unlocking the rest of the Schematic : he described the action and general architecture of the Gravity Generator, and he described in less detail about the Projector ( Cloak ).

    I have already written a much more detailed discussion about the mechanism, but I think it is not appropriate to go into such detail yet. I will share that later. ( For a bit of a teaser, as I was writing in greater detail, the name ' Icke ' popped into mind ! You can read between the lines for yourself..... )


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    Post by DrDil on Jul 29th, 2007, 04:05am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:50am, castles4me wrote:
    I guess if Uk can have police run spy drones, then the US could have back-engineered alien invisible spy drones.

    from aviationtoday

    Wednesday, May 23, 2007

    UK Police Drones Drone Overhead
    The first pilotless police drone has been successfully tested and now, according to the news media, looks set to become a ubiquitous "eye in the sky" spy over Great Britain's crime areas. The 91 centimeter wide unmanned aerial vehicle carries closed circuit TV cameras and can quietly do its surveillance job from as high as 1500 feet for hours at a time. The remote control helicopter has a virtual reality control headset for its operator. He can see (and record) what the spy-in-the-sky can see. Merseyside police were first to launch the remote control helicopter in their quest to simplify tracking criminals and recording antisocial behavior. They will be running a three month trial. The main attraction is that they are very economical to operate in comparison with a helicopter.....


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    I wrote a little forum article about it HERE.
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    Post by brm1 on Jul 29th, 2007, 08:23am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:26pm, LangLee wrote:
    castles I believe it's a requirement for any Utility truck/ line repair has the proper identification, especially in this post 911 climate.


    Put another way all white trucks have to have advertising on them. Probably not.
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    Post by castles4me on Jul 29th, 2007, 08:32am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 01:17am, Latitude wrote:
    I saw this post on Whitley Strieber's forum. Very interesting stuff. Some of it is pretty far out. Should I invite the guy to come here and elaborate?


    Very good stuff... yes, invite him. I have said a million times already on here. "The technology is what is going to prove that this is real!!!"
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    Post by brm1 on Jul 29th, 2007, 08:39am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 12:51pm, Latitude wrote:
    They only want to convince others their side is correct. It's a waste of time to answer them. They are afraid of the changes that come out of this knowledge.


    There is a vast difference between knowledge and faith. I see a lot of speculation on the function of this or the reason this is built such is ... I can look at any mechanical part and tell you what it does probably 80% of the time out of contest and 100% of the time out of context .. I have a knack for it. I can trouble shoot a world wide data network based on "clues" and experience... knack for that to.

    But even though I KNOW what the incividual components of a circuit board do -- I can identify them on the board I know where and how they get thier power.. give me an assembled board and unless it says what the boards function is in english -- I am clueless... knack not so much.

    So I am dumfounded that some people are able to look at a photograph and divine the propulsion and the various components of the the system. That is where fact turns to science fiction and science fiction becomes faith and faith becomes magic.

    I don't see the "faith based" stuff really as much more than a fun read.

    BTW - THERE ARE NO SIDES IN SCIENCE!!!!

    "When you hear hoofbeats behind you, don't expect to see a zebra"
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    Post by castles4me on Jul 29th, 2007, 08:39am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:52am, Latitude wrote:
    My guess is plasma discharge. Some kind of electrical effect.

    Sorry to disagree Castles but I don't believe the object is man made. It's way beyond anything we have including all of Nasa. There's also the point that if it were man made it would not be flying over a populated area. That's never been the MO for black projects. I think the white trailers were probably for installing fibre optics and are not related to the drone.

    Accept it. We are being visited on a routine basis.


    I do accept it, Lat... I believe in the drones and Isaac! I just think this particular drone is back-engineered because it does not have the alien writing on it and it looks way different. It looks like a cheap imitation of the real thing, basically.

    Government could fly it over a populated area if they were using it to spy on terrorist cells or mobsters or something. 20 years have gone by since the CARET days, surely they figured out how to make and fly something similar to the drones and use it for a purpose.
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    Post by LangLee on Jul 29th, 2007, 08:42am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 08:23am, brm1 wrote:
    Put another way all white trucks have to have advertising on them. Probably not.


    All white trucks ? No not personal vehicles......
    But vehicles from companies that provide a service, cable, phone, electric, ect. If they are parked on the street repairing something the vehicle must be indentifiable.
    I called a private cable contractor friend, he said no matter what company he contracts he MUST display their signage on his vehicle at all times, and display proper ID.
    At least here in NY.
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    Post by brm1 on Jul 29th, 2007, 09:08am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 08:42am, LangLee wrote:
    All white trucks ? No not personal vehicles......
    But vehicles from companies that provide a service, cable, phone, electric, etc. If they are parked on the street repairing something the vehicle must be identifiable.
    I called a private cable contractor friend, he said no matter what company he contracts he MUST display their signage on his vehicle at all times, and display proper ID.
    At least here in NY.
    If I was hiring the cable guy then yes I would want him to identify his truck as being a subcontractor to me ... that is a whole lot different than the state REQUIRING that a service van has some form of advertising on the truck. I did a quick look, not found. The law would have to describe the size location a minimum wording required otherwise not really a law. That means that you can't say that service trucks must be identifiable.

    There ya go -- DOT trumps cable guy

    https://www.nysdot.gov/portal/page/portal/divisions/operating/osss/truck/registration-licensing
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    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:12am

    Thank you castles4me, that is exactly what I was talking about. The Birmingham Drone has been dismissed and "John Smith", if he has read anything on a certain site, must fill like a complete fool for ever having bothered to send in his sighting. The white globe is barely visible in the photo from LMH, so a hoaxer put in the white globe to show up later with a certain kind of filter that might one day be used. If this is true, then we have a very clever hoaxer. Castle4me, i always enjoy your posts.
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    Post by MarkM on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:13am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 01:17am, Latitude wrote:
    I saw this post on Whitley Strieber's forum. Very interesting stuff. Some of it is pretty far out. Should I invite the guy to come here and elaborate?


    This is not to be interpreted as any kind of judgment! Just a heads up on where this individual is most likely going in his revelations:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

    The posters system ideas are very intriguing. Strieber and his wife are out drone hunting this week, it will interesting to see what they come back with!
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    Post by Fencesitter on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:30am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 01:17am, Latitude wrote:
    I saw this post on Whitley Strieber's forum. Very interesting stuff. Some of it is pretty far out. Should I invite the guy to come here and elaborate?

    Umm... Doesn't Isaac say in the email to that C2C lady that the schematic is taken from an interior panel of an entirely different craft? He's looking at one picture, comparing it to a wholly different piece of hardware and mixing in an extremely liberal dose of conjecture.

    I think this dude is off his rocker personally...
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    Post by oljack666 on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:47am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:30am, Fencesitter wrote:
    Umm... Doesn't Isaac say in the email to that C2C lady that the schematic is taken from an interior panel of an entirely different craft? He's looking at one picture, comparing it to a wholly different piece of hardware and mixing in an extremely liberal dose of conjecture.

    I think this dude is off his rocker personally...

    Why is that? Isaac did compare the linguistics to that which he saw on the Big Basin drone and who is to say that there aren't more linguistics on the inside of the piece that we're looking at. He mentions that they wanted a flat surface. You do realize that he never did supply us with pictures of this particular piece, however the pictures he did supply do match up to the Big Basin drone. For that matter, to look at what's on the tarmac, there are a lot of items missing. Where's the fin? He also mentions the difficulty in obtaining some artifacts to work with.
    High Resolution Photographs of Big Basin Craft below
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    Post by BuzZz777 on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:50am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 08:39am, castles4me wrote:
    Government could fly it over a populated area if they were using it to spy on terrorist cells or mobsters or something.


    Why would a government want to spy on themselves?
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    Post by Latitude on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:04am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:30am, Fencesitter wrote:
    Umm... Doesn't Isaac say in the email to that C2C lady that the schematic is taken from an interior panel of an entirely different craft? He's looking at one picture, comparing it to a wholly different piece of hardware and mixing in an extremely liberal dose of conjecture.

    I think this dude is off his rocker personally...


    With the Icke tie in, I would have to agree.
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    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:11am

    on Jul 28th, 2007, 01:37am, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
    I want to make a change in the project and include a transmission that was (allegedly) sent from one of the STS missions to houston by a female astronaut stating "We still have the ufo in sight" or something along those lines...does anyone know where I can find that recording?

    Thanks in advance.


    I saw that on YouTube only last week in with the other NASA-ufo video clips.

    Never mind; I'll go see if I can find it again. Worth the trouble. : )

    http://digg.com/space/UFO_On_NASA_Control_Room_Screen_VIDEO (bandwidth exceeded right now)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Zj_hrB_l8

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5980990221766439646&total=29&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 The screen shot is in here, but without the audio-over

    :shrug: These are just all the screen shot of the "alien spacecraft," which I believe, as Martyn Stubbs and Trevor James Constable, that this is a natural Space Being, not a space CRAFT.



    ~*~Shech--
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    Post by MarkM on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:19am

    CentralScrutinizer could you please re post the link to your video project? I didn't have a chance to check it out the other night and now I can't find the link (still waking up). Thanks!
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    Post by Fencesitter on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:16pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:47am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    the pictures he did supply do match up to the Big Basin drone.


    The diagram in Isaac's docs and the one on the side of the BB craft are very different, I think, ATO. They have some similarity in some components, but are completely different 'pictures' (or schematics or instructions or whatever they may be).

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    Please note that I chopped the Primer image and rotated areas liberally. From what I understand it's supposed to be taken as a whole or not at all. The other panel visible on the BB craft was even further from the primer layout, so I didn't spend much time trying to match it.

    He's also assuming that this is a schematic on how to construct the thing. Why have a schematic on how to construct a drone on the inside panel of a wholly different craft? I'm not saying it *isn't* a schematic, we really have no way of knowing what purposes this diagram would serve without more info from Isaac (or someone similar). This guy is basing his whole story on the diagram being a 'how to build a drone' blueprint.

    I also have some issues with him coming up with an arbitrary list of the components that comprise the drones. We have absolutely no way of even guessing what technologies are involved (other than the obvious anti-grav and 'cloaking' tech) nor do we have the slightest clue what the drones actually *do* (if anything). They could be simple technology test drones that do nothing but fly around. Speculating on mind-reading capabilities is just plain absurd at this point, imo. I mean, it's natural (and fun) to speculate about what they're for, but we can't take that speculation and start saying 'this piece then, must perform this function, and here it is in the diagram'.

    I think he's just haphazardly jumping from one conclusion to the next to the next to come up with something built on a vacuous foundation. He's a sensationalist and is taking advantage of our desire to understand what is going on with these things.

    I'm absolutely not trying to poo-poo speculation and blue-sky thinking, but this guy is coming forward with some speculated claims as fact. This is one of those times where we have to be our own best skeptic and compare extraordinary claims with what we're accepting as reliable information.
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    Post by oljack666 on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:26pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:16pm, Fencesitter wrote:
    The diagram in Isaac's docs and the one on the side of the BB craft are very different, I think, ATO. They have some similarity in some components, but are completely different 'pictures' (or schematics or instructions or whatever they may be).


    Isaac didn't say they were identical and neither did I. My point is that on the Big Basin drone, there are parts that are not on the tarmac in Isaac's drone. Those parts could have been like the ones on the Big Basin drone.

    Isaac said: Quote:
    More importantly though, I'm very familiar with the “language” on their undersides seen clearly in photos by Chad and Rajman, and in another form in the Big Basin photos. One question I can answer for sure is why they're suddenly here. These crafts have probably existed in their current form for decades, and I can say for sure that the technology behind them has existed for decades before that. The “language”, in fact, (I'll explain shortly why I keep putting that in quotes) was the subject of my work in years past. I'll cover that as well.


    Quote:
    I'm absolutely not trying to poo-poo speculation and blue-sky thinking, but this guy is coming forward with some speculated claims as fact. This is one of those times where we have to be our own best skeptic and compare extraordinary claims with what we're accepting as reliable information.


    What I see is conviction in what it was he did at PACL.
    .



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    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:41pm


    May I ask a stupid question re :: man-machine interface ... ?

    These diagrams appear to be some sort of "command and control" mechanisms, right, DIALS and/or LEVERS? Or, INDICATORS (to be viewed)?

    Where does somebody STAND or SIT, to operate these things or view them or set them?

    I'm not aware of any machine, human-built, that puts controls and levers on the outside of a vehicle. Usually, they're in proximity to the "driver," inside.

    This just seems awfully strange. Levers hanging out in space.

    Am I missing something?

    ~*~Shech--


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    Post by Fencesitter on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:45pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:26pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    What I see is conviction in what it was he did at PACL.


    Oh, gosh ATO - I didn't mean Isaac is off his rocker - quite the opposite. I think he's presented the most convincing pieces of evidence for contact between extraterrestrials and humans we've seen to date.

    I was talking about the guy quoted from Whitey's forum (a few pages back) that said he understood 90% of the diagram and would be providing a translation for us soon. It's him that I think is a few beers short of a party.
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    Post by Fencesitter on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:53pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:41pm, Shechaiyah wrote:
    May I ask a stupid question re :: man-machine interface ... ?

    These diagrams appear to be some sort of "command and control" mechanisms, right, DIALS and/or LEVERS? Or, INDICATORS (to be viewed)?

    Where does somebody STAND or SIT, to operate these things or view them or set them?

    I'm not aware of any machine, human-built, that puts controls and levers on the outside of a vehicle. Usually, they're in proximity to the "driver," inside.

    This just seems awfully strange. Levers hanging out in space.

    Am I missing something?

    ~*~Shech--



    Isaac suggests that the diagrams' purpose is to define the function of the components themselves, and aren't necessarily the interface (like an instruction set, burned right into the hardware). I would guess the control mechanism for this technology is similar to the S1 device referred to in the PACL docs, but as we have no way of knowing if all this tech is even from the same 'source', I'm going out on a limb here.

    It could be that the drone parts from the Q3-85 shot and the stuff described in Q4-86 are pretty much unrelated. I think we're assuming they're related because of the similarity in the recent drone photos and the disassembled one in the Q3-85 photo, combined with the similarity between the symbols in the recent drone photos and the symbols in Q4-86 report and photos. Probably a safe assumption, but still an assumption I guess....
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    Post by oljack666 on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:59pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:45pm, Fencesitter wrote:
    Oh, gosh ATO - I didn't mean Isaac is off his rocker - quite the opposite. I think he's presented the most convincing pieces of evidence for contact between extraterrestrials and humans we've seen to date..


    If you're talking about Icke, I'm with ya there. Raelian and Icke are not on my reading material list any longer.
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    Post by DrDil on Jul 29th, 2007, 1:08pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:53pm, Fencesitter wrote:
    I think we're assuming they're related because of the similarity in the recent drone photos and the disassembled one in the Q3-85 photo, combined with the similarity between the symbols in the recent drone photos and the symbols in Q4-86 report and photos.


    I’ve been saying that for a while now, Isaac explains that the Q4-86 literally means the last quarter of 1986. So it’s a safe assumption that the Q3-85 is the third quarter of 1985, that’s over a year prior to getting their hands on the antigravity device.

    Unless of course the PTB were aware of the functionality of the parts of the Drone as seen in the inventory picture so released these for study pretty much straight away, whereas they may have tried unsuccessfully to figure out the antigravity device for a year, realised they needed help then signed it over to Isaac & co.

    This is perhaps one of the plethora of questions that SHOULD have been posed to Isaac, rather than, “It’s blatantly CGI, wrong typeset for the year,” etc. etc. and basically every other question that LMH deemed fit to bother Isaac with.

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    Post by Outthere on Jul 29th, 2007, 1:14pm

    I posted this in another forum a few minutes ago, but I am not sure that the forum is still active so I reposted it here:

    I am very grateful of the work the LMH has done for the UFO Community over the years and I enjoy listening to her on C2C and Unknown Country. However, I do think that the withholding the emails for a month seems unfortunate.

    I do think that the UFO Casebook has one of the best forums/ discussions on this material with a lot of smart people offering opinions. If those emails took place a month ago, maybe Isaac is ready to talk again. UFO Casebook should create its own list of questions. If the questions are easily seen then Isaac can eventually respond to them if he browses these forums which I think he does.

    If we had ten questions, what would we ask? I don't even know where to start but we might be able to figure it out together. UFO Casebook could then begin to define parameters around the discussion and we can finally get beyond whether this is a hoax or not.
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    Post by Latitude on Jul 29th, 2007, 1:57pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 1:14pm, Outthere wrote:
    I do think that the UFO Casebook has one of the best forums/ discussions on this material with a lot of smart people offering opinions. If those emails took place a month ago, maybe Isaac is ready to talk again. UFO Casebook should create its own list of questions. If the questions are easily seen then Isaac can eventually respond to them if he browses these forums which I think he does.

    It's already been done. http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=drone&action=display&num=1185588920
    I (and probably many others) have sent an email to LMH letting her know those questions are there.

    Quote:

    If we had ten questions, what would we ask? I don't even know where to start but we might be able to figure it out together. UFO Casebook could then begin to define parameters around the discussion and we can finally get beyond whether this is a hoax or not.

    It might be a good idea to refine those questions that are there into a concise set of ten.
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    Post by VonStern on Jul 29th, 2007, 2:18pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 01:17am, Latitude wrote:
    I saw this post on Whitley Strieber's forum. Very interesting stuff. Some of it is pretty far out. Should I invite the guy to come here and elaborate?




    It would be naive to believe, that the Isaac "Linguistic Primers" are to be desciffered in a few ours/days time...and more so, arrange the purpose of these.

    If this was so easy done, it sure was the wrong colleaques picked to work alongside Isaac at the time. I seriously doubt that was the mission.


    Not to dismiss any idea's, but this has too much "fiction" writen in.

    --VonStern
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    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Jul 29th, 2007, 3:07pm

    These diagrams are not operated and they should be different from part to part. They are similar to printed circuits. These physical layouts works with the fields emanating from the thinking material from which the various parts of the device are made. What Isaac says fits to perfection with the BB Drone. Also Isaac has answered his critics well.
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    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 29th, 2007, 3:50pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:59pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    If you're talking about Icke, I'm with ya there. Raelian and Icke are not on my reading material list any longer.


    Somehow, my instincts tell me that the secrets of the Heavens are not likely to come to us through the efforts or views of the likes of Icke. As for the poster on the Streiber forum, it strains credulity to think he took a look at this stuff and it all fell into place. Possible? Of course! Likely? Not in my opinion.
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    Post by Nodnunk on Jul 29th, 2007, 6:49pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 12:53pm, Fencesitter wrote:
    Isaac suggests that the diagrams' purpose is to define the function of the components themselves, and aren't necessarily the interface (like an instruction set, burned right into the hardware). I would guess the control mechanism for this technology is similar to the S1 device referred to in the PACL docs, but as we have no way of knowing if all this tech is even from the same 'source', I'm going out on a limb here.

    It could be that the drone parts from the Q3-85 shot and the stuff described in Q4-86 are pretty much unrelated. I think we're assuming they're related because of the similarity in the recent drone photos and the disassembled one in the Q3-85 photo, combined with the similarity between the symbols in the recent drone photos and the symbols in Q4-86 report and photos. Probably a safe assumption, but still an assumption I guess....


    No explanatory text accompanies the Q3-85 inventory photo, so as far as we know it could have been taken many years before 1985. As you say, it is likely Isaac included it because the parts closely resemble some of the drone structures. But it doesn't imply an association. It may be just one of a series of file photographs that were included in the Q3-85 report. Note that the first item is labeled 13. That sort of implies the existence of at least a dozen (1 ->12) other items on other inventory photos.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Jul 29th, 2007, 8:22pm

    Hmmmm..... nice find! Sounds like a fairly accurate description of our drones. Time to go do some web surfing.
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    Post by Latitude on Jul 29th, 2007, 8:46pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 8:22pm, MarkM wrote:
    Hmmmm..... nice find! Sounds like a fairly accurate description of our drones. Time to go do some web surfing.

    Yes, it does sound like it could describe the drones except for the size. None of the donut sections have come close to that. Quote:
    A doughnut-shaped craft, about 125 feet outside diameter by about 36 feet thick, with a hole about 25 feet in diameter in the center

    Maybe they have downsized since then.
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    Post by Luvey on Jul 29th, 2007, 8:54pm

    Its such a pity that Daniel Fry has passed on. I reckon if he was still alive he would be interested and be able to pass on more knowledge of these drones.

    Luvey
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    Post by Latitude on Jul 29th, 2007, 9:00pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 7:28pm, urantia606 wrote:
    They can cross the meridians or travel at an angle to them in a manner similar to that used by your sailboats when "tacking into the wind".

    The book contains more information about the doughnut shaped craft and how it operates as described by the space alien woman in 1960 .


    The space alien woman even knows about our sailboats?

    (that's the skeptical side of me popping up)
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    Post by Latitude on Jul 29th, 2007, 9:26pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 9:21pm, urantia606 wrote:
    That was your sense of humor Latitude, you made my day.. The space aliens cruise around earth making observations but they don't know anything...LOL

    Yeah, sorry. See how easy it is to fall down the slippery slope? You'd think I'd have learned by now. Thanks for correcting me.
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    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 29th, 2007, 9:36pm

    I REALLY like you guys. Honest . I can learn from you. User Image

    ~*~Shech--
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    Post by CentralScrutinizer on Jul 29th, 2007, 9:50pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:19am, MarkM wrote:
    CentralScrutinizer could you please re post the link to your video project? I didn't have a chance to check it out the other night and now I can't find the link (still waking up). Thanks!


    hey Mark, no problem... this is simply a 'teaser trailer' which, so far as the responses I'm getting.. it's doing it's job 'leaving people wanting more' smiley

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEvde0SrI0U

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Jul 29th, 2007, 9:52pm

    I just wanted my fellow "dronies" to know that I started a new thread here:
    http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=alienabduction&num=1185763312&start=0#1185763312
    It goes a step beyond the drones and begins to address our response, should this prove to be the start of something major. If you've had encounters with ET's please come and share your experiences. If you're just curious, I'm sure you'll learn some interesting things!
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    Post by jugement on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:11pm

    could the drones be surveying the 23 degrees tilt of the earth for ET to know what date to reveal themselves to those they came to save from the flood of 2012 the mayans spoke of.RE. wink
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    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:15pm

    That's as possible, Jugement, as anything else.

    What gives you the sense that this is what is true?

    I'm curious.

    ~*~Shech--
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    Post by Latitude on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:20pm

    LMH is on right now talking about crop circles.
    http://wche1520.com/

    Wow. Much better than last Friday.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:47pm

    Really.

    Her passion is evident, and her seeking Truth is evident.

    I will not write Linda off.

    She's way ahead of me and my site, www.abidemiracles.com

    I only put up what is undeniable and established.

    She's out there on the edge.

    Good going, Linda!!!


    ~*~Shech--


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    Post by urantia606 on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:49pm

    User Image

    Here is a page where the space alien woman is speaking about the "doughnut" shaped craft they use to survey the earth and other planets. The year is 1960 approx. or possibly before.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:58pm

    Really.

    Her passion is evident, and her seeking Truth is evident. I will not write Linda off. She's way ahead of me and my site, www.abidemiracles.com

    I only put up what is undeniable and established. She's out there on the edge. QUOTE--

    "Imagine that you had the ability to do just zeros and ones, and the zeros and ones would make the paper go up to the ceiling and sit there . .. and you don't do it with zeros and ones; but once you have the zeros and ones on the paper ... it's the act of putting zeros and ones on the paper that makes the paper rise up to the ceiling. ... The diagrams make the mechanism work. If two plus two equals four, then the diagrams are a self-activation that makes the diagram do whatever it does. The diagrams are self-activating in some kind of a field. "

    "They project three-dimensional images out in the air, but they could project a field [emf, esf] that this is a hugely technology that functions on its own, and that can contain enclopedias that outstrips anything we can do ... "

    Linda is waaaaay smarter than I am. I am having a problem describing what she is saying.

    "We are now on the brink of a biology of that we go out ... as computer and machines that could take the place of human biology." She's way over my head.

    Good going, Linda!!!

    ~*~Shech--


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    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:19pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 9:50pm, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
    hey Mark, no problem... this is simply a 'teaser trailer' which, so far as the responses I'm getting.. it's doing it's job 'leaving people wanting more' smiley

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEvde0SrI0U


    Hey CS. It looks fantastic! Keep at it, buddy: it catches you from the very moment it starts to play.
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    Post by MarkM on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:33pm

    Very cool, CS! I'd ask you about the title, but that might give the "plot" away - so I'll stop squirming in my seat and be patient wink. The popcorn's in the microwave!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:40pm

    Just finished listening to LMH. Wow. She really cut loose this time. She said the 4x6 GLOSSIES she has of the Ty B photos look to be from a film camera.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:48pm

    Is there an archive of the program someplace that can be downloaded? That's very significant. Film would rule out CGI on that one, once and for all.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:54pm

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:40pm, Latitude wrote:
    Just finished listening to LMH. Wow. She really cut loose this time. She said the 4x6 GLOSSIES she has of the Ty B photos look to be from a film camera.


    This could be a marvelous and dispositive development. I hope it is true! Wish I had heard LMH, but thanks so much for the report. Here's hoping!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 30th, 2007, 12:22am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:48pm, MarkM wrote:
    Is there an archive of the program someplace that can be downloaded? That's very significant. Film would rule out CGI on that one, once and for all.


    It was on Paranormal Cafe. Yeah, Linda just let it all hang out for this show. They could not stop her. She talked at length about the crop circles but this time she was very compelling. I'm not really a crop circle fan but she had me riveted. She had a caller named Keith. The guy was really good and he damn near took over the show at one point. The two of them talked at length about symbolism down through the ages and attempted to tie it all in to the crop circles and the LAP. At one point she went in to evil spirits and black magic. I'm telling you, the woman went totally off the hook! shocked

    I just looked on the website and it looks like they do not have the show available for download yet.
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    Post by jugement on Jul 30th, 2007, 06:23am

    on Jul 29th, 2007, 10:15pm, Shechaiyah wrote:
    That's as possible, Jugement, as anything else.

    What gives you the sense that this is what is true?

    I'm curious.

    ~*~Shech--
    remember what I said drones dont talk,(ET)sent the drones and ufos.THEIR ARE AGREEABLE AND THEIR ARE DISAGREEABLE ALLIENS>THEY WANT US <WE HAVE TO LEARN TO LISTEN TO THEM. wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Xeroid on Jul 30th, 2007, 06:31am

    I may have just stumbled on why the alias ISSAC is used?

    I have not read the whole site, but I guess you may not need to given the headlines.

    "International Symposium on Symbolic and
    Algebraic Computation"


    http://issac2006.dima.unige.it/

    Just a strong hunch

    Found it by doing the Google search "issac@"
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    Post by oljack666 on Jul 30th, 2007, 06:35am

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 12:03am, urantia606 wrote:
    This information is in the book "The White Sands Incident" by Dr. Daniel Fry...Horus House Press printing 1992 (first printing was 1954).


    Here is the book and you can read it online - no fee.
    http://danielfry.com/index.php?id=1120
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    Post by oljack666 on Jul 30th, 2007, 06:37am

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 06:31am, Xeroid wrote:
    I may have just stumbled on why the alias ISSAC is used?
    I have not read the whole site, but I guess you may not need to given the headlines.
    "International Symposium on Symbolic and
    Algebraic Computation"

    Just a strong hunch
    Found it by doing the Google search "issac@"


    http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/conferences/issac2007/
    We saw that too and looked in there. It's basically computer science. It's spelled wrong though. Isaac is "saac" not "ssac".
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 30th, 2007, 06:56am

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 12:03am, urantia606 wrote:
    "A Spacewoman Speaks" by Understanding Publications Co., 1960

    With a little searching on the Internet I found the following in the quote below. A Spacewoman speaks is not available online.

    Also, before you read the quote, make note that...A Spacewoman Speaks, was written by an N3F president (under the pseudonym of Rolf Telano/real name Ralph Merridette Holland, described on the Internet as a paranormal enthusiast). So much for anonymity.

    N3F is described here below. If he was the president of N3F, then A Spacewoman is most likely Fan Fiction and not that of someone's true experience. Holland's sister, Dora Holland is the woman mentioned in the quote below.
    http://www.n3f.org/N3Fabout.shtml

    Quote:
    It happened that Miss Edith Nicolaisen, owner of the Parthenon publishing company in Helsingborg, Sweden, specialists in contactee literature, read A Spacewoman Speaks, a UFO book written by one “Rolf Telano,” and decided she wanted to publish it in Swedish. She wrote a letter to Telano on March 1st 1962 care of Harriet P. Foster in Del Mar, California, whose address had been provided by its English language publisher, “Understanding Publishing Co.” A reply from Dora Holland was received at the beginning of June. In the letter Dora said that it was okay to publish the book as long as her deceased brother’s desire for anonymity was respected by the publisher. Nicolaisen agreed, and before the year was through Vänner i universum (“Friends in the Universe”) was printed and sold in Sweden. The book became a success, at least in the world of UFO literature.

    A Spacewoman Speaks was a 93-page text that Holland/Telano claimed to have received in 1954 from an extraterrestrial called Borealis. It had first been published in 1960 by the Understanding Publishing Co., owned by another notorious contactee, Daniel Fry. According to Holland, Borealis was a member of an ancient race of extraterrestrials who first came across the Earth thousands of years ago. These beings had an average life span of a thousand years and were reincarnated constantly. When they saw the planet was inhabitable they started to breed people by carefully selecting parents and developing them biologically in subterranean laboratories called Edens. This improved species was called the Adam and it is from this race that human beings have descended.

    A Spacewoman Speaks goes into much greater detail about subterranean beings and monsters, alien gods, Lemuria and Atlantis. A number of Adam-beings that chose to remain below the ground and not rise to the surface rebelled against their nature, indulging in continuous orgies and other vices. These are the devils feared by men today. The creators saved as many of them as they could and sealed the rest of them inside their grottos, where groups of them still live today.

    The following was a Google search for (Vänner i universum)
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=V%C3%A4nner+i+universum&btnG=Google+Search

    Here is a Swedish translation page if you want a website translated but if someone wants to look long enough, we might find the book on the Internet.

    http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=English&to=Swedish
    .



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    Post by Xeroid on Jul 30th, 2007, 07:07am

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 06:37am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/conferences/issac2007/
    We saw that too and looked in there. It's basically computer science. It's spelled wrong though. Isaac is "saac" not "ssac".


    That's good, you guys leaving no stone unturned...guess it best we still post bits and pieces just in case we happen on something not investigated...yes?
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    Post by oljack666 on Jul 30th, 2007, 07:21am

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 07:07am, Xeroid wrote:
    That's good, you guys leaving no stone unturned...guess it best we still post bits and pieces just in case we happen on something not investigated...yes?


    That's the first thing we did back on June 26th. Isaac is many things but I think we'll come to find out that he's just a man, retired, and he chose Isaac from the Bible.
    Quote:
    My government has its reasons for its continual secrecy, and I sympathize with many of them, but the truth is that I'm getting old and I'm not interested in meeting my maker one day with any more baggage than necessary!

    .
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by pvtjoker75 on Jul 30th, 2007, 07:30am

    I guess I'm one of the few that knows about this. To listen to any Coast to Coast AM archived show from the past 30 days:

    Someone archive this stuff. ive posted it 11ty billion times....

    1. Goto http://www.am770chqr.com/

    2. Join their "Insiders" club for free. Simple registration

    3. Log in and go to the "audio vault"

    4. Select the date and time of the show you want to listen to.(due to time difference I believe it is 1am). remember if you want to listen to say the 7/27/07 show, you would want to select 7/28/07 @ 1am which compensates for the time difference.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 30th, 2007, 10:55am

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 10:35am, urantia606 wrote:
    If this does not match what we are seeing with the Drones....I give up.



    Urantia, I know you have posted all of this several times and it really seems like you want someone to respond to it and agree with it. Whether this sounds like the drone or not... I am not sure that this could help us prove or disprove anything based on some book from 1954 that was supposedly written by an Alien Woman. That is not really gonna help us disprove hoaxes lol
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    Post by Bruska on Jul 30th, 2007, 11:12am

    I had the wildest dream last night that I chased down and caught two decent pictures of one of these things. After that the details are hazy but everybody had given up on the whole issue because it was "just a big hoax". I know there was an explanation as to why, but I have to trek back through my memory to pull that out. Anyways, at least I got a taste, albeit surreal, of how it would feel to photograph something like this. grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by drewlac on Jul 30th, 2007, 11:20am

    LMH podcast is up

    http://paranormalcafe.podomatic.com/
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 30th, 2007, 11:20am

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 11:12am, urantia606 wrote:
    Sorry you are disappointed in my research. We're all looking for corroboration of some kind. I have so far received a considerable amount of interest from various websites and forums. Is her testimony proof? Time will tell.


    actually, I wasn't disappointed in your research. I too have been searching the web in former ufo sighting descriptions to see if something matched the drone sightings, just for corroboration. But, since that book really has no definitive proof -- just don't think that THAT particular testimony will stand up against the scrutiny of those crying hoax. that's all I meant.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Jul 30th, 2007, 11:27am

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 11:20am, drewlac wrote:
    LMH podcast is up

    http://paranormalcafe.podomatic.com/


    It seems to be just the promo, unless I'm doing something wrong. Any suggestions?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Jul 30th, 2007, 11:43am

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 11:31am, urantia606 wrote:
    but I do say that it sounds quite close to what we are seeing in the skies of California this year.


    It certainly does, especially when you consider that over 5 decades have passed. Using our own automobiles as an example, there's a big difference between a 54 Chevy and a 2007!

    What's being described could easily be a less streamlined, "classic" version of today's model. I don't think at this stage we can afford to overlook anything that might help to validate (or not) this event.
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    Post by Latitude on Jul 30th, 2007, 12:09pm

    I saw this picture from a link posted on C2C.
    User Image

    Drone related? Birmingham type drone?

    http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1181152007
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 30th, 2007, 12:22pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 12:18pm, urantia606 wrote:
    Well yes. She describes the craft (and others) as being very old technology from their standpoint.

    Also, her descritpion is rather brief, as this in only one of four types of craft they were using at that time (1954).

    Also she states that their race has more interest in this planet than any other race of space aliens. It appears that their way station is on the back side of the moon and that it is their policy to give a few technical things and hints to earth people as they have to other inhabited planets if they think they are ready for it.

    She also states that they have been watching things on earth for over two thousand years. But they have intensified their interest since we exploded nuclear devices in 1945. This appears to have changed the entire equation big time.


    It could all be true. It's a sad reflection on my own character but I keep wondering about the same question every time you bring this up.

    Is she hot? wink
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    Post by qweedleguy on Jul 30th, 2007, 12:29pm

    All of this seems pretty amazing to me, and I've remained silent ever since this everything started. But I just want to put out what I've noticed in these photos.

    Keep in mind that I want to believe these are real and I'm not trying to say that these images are fake and I'm not trying to say this is all a big hoax.

    However...

    I find it interesting that in most of the drone photos, the sky is white. I've read all about the smog issue that's been discussed and that makes sense. But I also find it interesting that in the same photos where the sky is white and there are trees, if you look behind the trees, the sky is blue. It doesn't make sense to me that the whole sky is white except for behind the trees.

    Look at the photos from the Big Bason drone and tell me what you think
    http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment

    Now some of the photos don't have the white sky and those are the photos that have me drawn into this whole thing.

    But this is just something I've noticed and thought I'd like to share.
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    Post by oljack666 on Jul 30th, 2007, 12:39pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 12:29pm, qweedleguy wrote:
    It doesn't make sense to me that the whole sky is white except for behind the trees.
    Look at the photos from the Big Bason drone and tell me what you think
    http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment


    The blue you see is not the sky, it's coming off of the leaves and branches. That was explained as well.

    There was much more indepth coverage on the white sky then just the smog.
    .
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    Post by VonStern on Jul 30th, 2007, 1:22pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 12:18pm, urantia606 wrote:
    Well yes. She describes the craft (and others) as being very old technology from their standpoint.

    Also, her descritpion is rather brief, as this in only one of four types of craft they were using at that time (1954).

    Also she states that their race has more interest in this planet than any other race of space aliens. It appears that their way station is on the back side of the moon and that it is their policy to give a few technical things and hints to earth people as they have to other inhabited planets if they think they are ready for it.

    She also states that they have been watching things on earth for over two thousand years. But they have intensified their interest since we exploded nuclear devices in 1945. This appears to have changed the entire equation big time.


    Well, Urantia606, you brought up a question, which to me seems very interesting, if one think a little further...

    Maybe the info from the book you're refering to, are not the only sightings that were made, maybe these "Flying Laboratories" has been around even when Dinosaurs ruled the world? Who can say? Writings on the wall made by early man might (just might) show evidence, that they even were present at that time. Only showing themselves by accident or deliberate (no Powerlines around to trigger it at that time) grin

    The great Pyramids, and maybe even the Chichén Itzá

    http://www.internet-at-work.com/hos_mcgrane/chichen/chichen_index.html

    has been undergoing the "Drone"'s (Gray's) investigation?

    Taken the short time we as human beings are here on this Green Earth, at a maximum of a hundred years, each individual, and history only going back two thousand years, at most, comments of the sightings will be few.

    Maybe they are related to the Old Gods of the Roman Empire....and even the Nordic Folklore? Raises some questions....

    No, everything is possible, keep pounding the door, untill it opens, revealing the truth!

    --VonStern

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    Post by brm1 on Jul 30th, 2007, 1:27pm

    Sky will always look more blue towards the horizon away from the sun. Why is the sky blue --
    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/atmos/blusky.html


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    Post by castles4me on Jul 30th, 2007, 1:44pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 06:56am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    With a little searching on the Internet I found the following in the quote below. A Spacewoman speaks is not available online.

    Also, before you read the quote, make note that...A Spacewoman Speaks, was written by an N3F president (under the pseudonym of Rolf Telano/real name Ralph Merridette Holland, described on the Internet as a paranormal enthusiast). So much for anonymity.

    N3F is described here below. If he was the president of N3F, then A Spacewoman is most likely Fan Fiction and not that of someone's true experience. Holland's sister, Dora Holland is the woman mentioned in the quote below.
    http://www.n3f.org/N3Fabout.shtml


    The following was a Google search for (Vänner i universum)
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=V%C3%A4nner+i+universum&btnG=Google+Search

    Here is a Swedish translation page if you want a website translated but if someone wants to look long enough, we might find the book on the Internet.

    http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=English&to=Swedish
    .


    So the "hot" alien woman story was fiction written by a man named Ralph? lol
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:10pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 1:44pm, castles4me wrote:
    So the "hot" alien woman story was fiction written by a man named Ralph? lol


    from N3F website:

    Ralph Merridette Holland was born in Youngstown on August 29, 1899, and lived there until his family moved to Akron in 1914. He received an engineering degree, worked “in the plant” at the Akron Beacon Journal, and later worked for B. G. Goodrich. He spent the last 40 years of his life in Cuyahoga Falls, and had been employed by Vaughn Machnery Company there. He published his own fanzine, The Science-Fiction Review, and had written a book featuring a fantasy character called Ghu. He adopted the alter ego of Rolf Telano because he was interested in paranormal phenomenon and knew his interest in SF would cast doubt on anything he presented as fact in the paranormal field. As Rolf Telano he wrote A Spacewoman Speak. At one time Holland was president of N3F.(from 1958-1962)

    from postcardfrommagonia.blogspot.com:

    Holland was such an enthusiast for science fiction that he became a member of the National Fantasy Fan Federation (N3F), finally becoming its president, a post he held until his death. In 1935 he published several issues of his fanzine, The Science-Fiction Review, and in 1958 he was the co-editor of the first issue of Fantasy Aspects, another science fiction fanzine. He published a small book called Ghu’s Lexicon in the 1950s (“Ghu” being a fantasy character invented in the 1930s). Also, of course, he published A Voice From the Gallery, described by his sister as a series of booklets full of “many unusual or out of the way stories or events.”

    Dora Holland tells in her obituary that her brother was “constantly…in search for the truth, sorting fact from fake, before he would pass the information on.” However, it is clear that she was either quite credulous in this respect or not telling the whole truth, for she knew that Ralph Holland had also published some very fishy ‘factual’ material under the pseudonym of Rolf Telano.



    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:11pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 1:44pm, castles4me wrote:
    So the "hot" alien woman story was fiction written by a man named Ralph? lol


    Yes, written by a writer named Ralph Holland who was the president of N3F. Scroll down for his name.
    http://www.n3f.org/N3Fhistory.shtml

    Shy of going in there it says.........
    Quote:
    At least one publication, A Spacewoman Speaks, was written by an N3F president (under the pseudonym of Rolf Telano/real name Ralph Merridette Holland, described on the Internet as a paranormal enthusiast). Understanding Publishing was publisher of A Spacewoman Speaks in 1960.

    It says that he was president here: 1958-1962: Ralph M. Holland

    A little bit about National Fantasy Fan Federation
    http://www.n3f.org/N3Fabout.shtml

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:22pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 12:29pm, qweedleguy wrote:
    However...

    I find it interesting that in most of the drone photos, the sky is white. I've read all about the smog issue that's been discussed and that makes sense. But I also find it interesting that in the same photos where the sky is white and there are trees, if you look behind the trees, the sky is blue. It doesn't make sense to me that the whole sky is white except for behind the trees.

    Look at the photos from the Big Bason drone and tell me what you think

    http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment

    Now some of the photos don't have the white sky and those are the photos that have me drawn into this whole thing.

    But this is just something I've noticed and thought I'd like to share.


    I've noticed this also :: white sky when the drones materialize.

    I guessed it was HAARP that had caused the failure of their cloaking devices, just as radar was the reason for the 1947 Roswell and subsequent crashes.

    Further, ALL chemtrails in the Northern California have been discontinued, since these photos came to light. Hmm. Coincidence?

    Secondly, here's a nice summary of what we know so far.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xXdIJmjQFE&mode=related&search=
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    Post by oljack666 on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:25pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:22pm, Shechaiyah wrote:
    Secondly, here's a nice summary of what we know so far.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xXdIJmjQFE&mode=related&search=


    That's our forum member CentralScrutinizer. He'll appreciate that. Does someone have his address that has all of his youtubes (and other) on it? He does some great work.
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    Post by drewlac on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:33pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 11:27am, MarkM wrote:
    It seems to be just the promo, unless I'm doing something wrong. Any suggestions?


    D'oh, I jumped the gun here. Place holder was posted embarassed My bad
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:49pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:25pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    That's our forum member CentralScrutinizer. He'll appreciate that. Does someone have his address that has all of his youtubes (and other) on it? He does some great work.


    Much better, Central Scrutinizer. This is a good one. I have favorited it.

    BTW, you can see all his youtubes here http://www.youtube.com/user/TheScrutinizerReport
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    Post by MarkM on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:56pm

    The guys got a great voice, too! Nice overview, very well done. Boy, we're one talented bunch smiley!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 30th, 2007, 3:11pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:57pm, urantia606 wrote:
    Mr. Holland's sister writes:
    "However, it is clear that she was either quite credulous in this respect or not telling the whole truth, for she knew that Ralph Holland had also published some very fishy ?factual? material under the pseudonym of Rolf Telano."Seems like his family did not support him. So much more loyalty. Sibling rivalry.....very common in these matters, especially in 1954.


    Where did you find that? I found her comments to be somewhat different then yours. The following was found here.
    http://postcardfrommagonia.blogspot.com/2005/08/note-versions-of-following-article.html
    Quote:
    It happened that Miss Edith Nicolaisen, owner of the Parthenon publishing company in Helsingborg, Sweden, specialists in contactee literature, read A Spacewoman Speaks, a UFO book written by one “Rolf Telano,” and decided she wanted to publish it in Swedish. She wrote a letter to Telano on March 1st 1962 care of Harriet P. Foster in Del Mar, California, whose address had been provided by its English language publisher, “Understanding Publishing Co.” A reply from Dora Holland was received at the beginning of June. In the letter Dora said that it was okay to publish the book as long as her deceased brother’s desire for anonymity was respected by the publisher. Nicolaisen agreed, and before the year was through Vänner i universum (“Friends in the Universe”) was printed and sold in Sweden. The book became a success, at least in the world of UFO literature.

    .
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 30th, 2007, 3:44pm

    I saw Central Sctrunizer's youtube video... it was good! Here is also another one by icer1313 ??

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_W-tPmk19g&mode=related&search=


    and one by bry3500

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evlq8aCdfSA&mode=related&search=


    and check out this one of "another strangecraft over Chatsworth" it looks almost dronish.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcdIFD7QGrk&mode=related&search=

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 30th, 2007, 3:56pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:22pm, Shechaiyah wrote:
    I've noticed this also :: white sky when the drones materialize.

    I guessed it was HAARP that had caused the failure of their cloaking devices, just as radar was the reason for the 1947 Roswell and subsequent crashes.

    Further, ALL chemtrails in the Northern California have been discontinued, since these photos came to light. Hmm. Coincidence?


    Shech -- I really think you are on to something with the HAARP chemtrails etc. I was trying to read some sites about it the other day. Do you have any sites you could point us to that would be an official explanation of what the government is doing with HAARP??
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    Post by MarkM on Jul 30th, 2007, 3:56pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 3:44pm, castles4me wrote:
    it looks almost dronish.


    My God, we've been at this so long that we've invented our own Dronespeak smiley!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 30th, 2007, 3:57pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 3:56pm, MarkM wrote:
    My God, we've been at this so long that we've invented our own Dronespeak smiley!


    Dronology 101
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    Post by DrDil on Jul 30th, 2007, 4:08pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 3:56pm, castles4me wrote:
    Shech -- I really think you are on to something with the HAARP chemtrails etc. I was trying to read some sites about it the other day. Do you have any sites you could point us to that would be an official explanation of what the government is doing with HAARP??


    http://www.haarp.net/
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 30th, 2007, 4:19pm

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 3:44pm, castles4me wrote:
    this one of "another strangecraft over Chatsworth" it looks almost dronish.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcdIFD7QGrk&mode=related&search=

    Discovered to be a plane - description, make and model all accounted for in another article BJ ran. Us that aren't into planes, like myself, didn't recognize it at first either.
    .
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 30th, 2007, 10:58pm

    Tonight I saw something I have never seen before. UFO's [ever so] briefly discussed on a mainstream media political talk show. On The MacLaughlin Group tonight, the last segment was about the UFO lights seen over Stratford-on-Avon in Great Britain last week. They showed the lights in their triangular formation and the quote from one of the witnesses. The panel treated it with a mild amusement, but the point is, it was covered! I have watched this show for literally the two decades + that it has been on, and never saw this topic ever mentioned. Very interesting! For a second there, I almost thought they would mention the drone case, too; but that would have been way too good to be true.
    Just the fact that it was covered makes me think that this phenomenon is slowly 'bleeding" into the consciousness of the mainstream media.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by danblast on Jul 30th, 2007, 11:33pm

    I thought the description of the markings on the hull of the craft in this article were interesting. The circle and triangle for some reason reminded me of the markings in the drone photos.
    http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/DefencePolicyAndBusiness/TheOfficialWhoWantsToBelieve.htm
    What Effect HAARP on the Drones?
    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 31st, 2007, 12:09am

    on Jul 30th, 2007, 3:56pm, castles4me wrote:
    Shech -- I really think you are on to something with the HAARP chemtrails etc. I was trying to read some sites about it the other day. Do you have any sites you could point us to that would be an official explanation of what the government is doing with HAARP??


    You might check in with Carnicom.com or radarmatrix.com

    But for my long experience with chemtrails here in the Bay Area :: they have been constant for the two years I've been here; and all of a sudden with the exposure of the "drones" nearby, chemtrails have totally disappeared from this area.

    So, when I noticed that nearly every photo of the drone had a white sky behind it (chemtrailed), I put two and two together.

    Evidently, the HAARP grid shorts out their cloaking mechanism, then, eh? So, wherever it's NOT chemtrailed, we are vulnerable to their being invisibly present.

    If the drones are benign, that doesn't matter. But they don't look benign to me. They're not being announced and there is no opportunity to acknowledge or dissent from whatever they're supposed to be doing.

    Sneaky things cause alarm in me.

    You know?

    ~*~Shech--

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 31st, 2007, 11:22am

    http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1181152007

    Does this look a bit dronishhuh the lighter color in the middle of the ring - rang a bell.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 31st, 2007, 11:57am

    on Jul 31st, 2007, 11:22am, castles4me wrote:
    http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1181152007

    Does this look a bit dronishhuh the lighter color in the middle of the ring - rang a bell.


    To me it looks like a kite. Here on the Gulf of Mexico, I think I've seen almost every possibility known to man in regard to kites at the water's edge.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Isaw1again on Jul 31st, 2007, 12:41pm

    "Further, ALL chemtrails in the Northern California have been discontinued, since these photos came to light. Hmm."

    smiley

    Not so,

    They are still filling in the natural clouds wherever there is a substantial break.
    They are filling in the blue patchs.

    -Ron
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Jul 31st, 2007, 2:12pm

    on Jul 31st, 2007, 08:19am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    When I click either of the first two pictures I get BJ's Capitola article and at the top of the article it says...
    Six New Photographs of the Strange Craft Take- Capitola, CA-05-16-07.

    Plus, below picture #2 I click the following address and get over 400 of BJ's pictures with his articles or from his articles.
    http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=+site:ufocasebook.com+strange+craft+ufo

    I don't get your point, you can define the specific parameters for any search like this......

    ufo-blog.com

    Earthfiles - Strange Craft

    UFODigest.com

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Jul 31st, 2007, 2:21pm

    Quote:
    smiley Not so,

    They are still filling in the natural clouds wherever there is a substantial break. They are filling in the blue patchs.

    -Ron


    Where? Not over San Jose. Here it is as clear as a bell for the past month, as I have seen since I was a kid half a century ago.

    Where are you? Nothing is filling in the blue patches here.

    : ) Shech---
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Jul 31st, 2007, 2:22pm

    With the drone buzz starting to stagnate I'd like to invite everyone over to the O'hare UFO thread to discuss the Narcap report that was recently released.
    http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1185644742&start=0#1185909476
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Fencesitter on Jul 31st, 2007, 9:05pm

    Are the forums broken? It's *soooooo* quiet....
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Arkhangels on Jul 31st, 2007, 9:09pm

    yeah so so quiet... let me nervous sad
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Jul 31st, 2007, 9:29pm

    on Jul 31st, 2007, 9:05pm, Fencesitter wrote:
    Are the forums broken? It's *soooooo* quiet....


    Well, it gets like this occasionally. It's nice for a while actually. I can cruise now.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 31st, 2007, 9:59pm

    on Jul 31st, 2007, 9:05pm, Fencesitter wrote:
    Are the forums broken? It's *soooooo* quiet....
    HI ALL; WHOM WAS IT NAMED THEM DRONES? I REMEMBER FIRST THOUGT THEY WERE SURVEYERS. HAS ANY ONE CHECKED these two definictions? well,(DRONE)1:to make asustained deep murmuring.humming.or buzzing sound(droning bees)b;to talk in a persistently dull or monotonous tone (droning on and on about his health) .question are the drones done with their act.drone=done,1arrived at or brought to an end(one more question and we're.3 done=gone by: over(the day of the circus big top is.RE wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Jul 31st, 2007, 10:01pm

    on Jul 31st, 2007, 9:05pm, Fencesitter wrote:
    Are the forums broken? It's *soooooo* quiet....


    There's got to be SOMETHING we can analyze lol Fencesitter... bring out your best question smiley
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by beenieweenie on Jul 31st, 2007, 10:45pm

    on Jul 31st, 2007, 9:59pm, jugement wrote:
    HI ALL; WHOM WAS IT NAMED THEM DRONES? I REMEMBER FIRST THOUGT THEY WERE SURVEYERS. HAS ANY ONE CHECKED these two definictions? well,(DRONE)1:to make asustained deep murmuring.humming.or buzzing sound(droning bees)b;to talk in a persistently dull or monotonous tone (droning on and on about his health) .question are the drones done with their act.drone=done,1arrived at or brought to an end(one more question and we're.3 done=gone by: over(the day of the circus big top is.RE wink



    You might find that Dictionary.com comes in quite handy wink (and not just for the word "drone") Maybe add it to your "favorites"

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drone

    *among some definitions copied from the list:

    -a remote control mechanism, as a radio-controlled airplane or boat

    -a pilotless aircraft operated by remote control

    -a pilotless aircraft used for reconnaissance and, more recently, for launching aerial attacks

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Jul 31st, 2007, 10:59pm

    on Jul 31st, 2007, 10:45pm, beenieweenie wrote:
    You might find that Dictionary.com comes in quite handy wink (and not just for the word "drone") Maybe add it to your "favorites"

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drone

    *among some definitions copied from the list:

    -a remote control mechanism, as a radio-controlled airplane or boat

    -a pilotless aircraft operated by remote control

    -a pilotless aircraft used for reconnaissance and, more recently, for launching aerial attacks
    thank you very much, but no thank you dont care to read, I have been wrong before yet dont humans make mistakes not just once or twice in a life time but all the time and not all of us make them on purpuse yet we all make all kinds of mistakes now dont we. then again I normaly folow my first mind and come out right. cool
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by starsigndavid on Jul 31st, 2007, 11:34pm

    Yes, it has been quiet, hasn't it? Just to see if there was anything possibly floating around out there, I emailed LMH last night and got a very nice email back from her. She assured me, as I am certain she has the rest of you who contacted her, that anything that comes along from Isaac will be passed along to us all.
    I have had some nice exchanges with other members from around the world, and we are all quite anxious for more news! The quiet before the storm, perhaps? undecided
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Xeroid on Aug 1st, 2007, 03:21am

    Here is a question that came from me posting a thread in a photgraphy forum that I'm a member of. This is a massive forum and has thousands of people who know all about photography and photoshop.

    I asked if the big basin photo seemed fake?

    Most could not fault it but the same question kept popping up...."where is the exif data?" if only we could see the exif data!

    If you are wondering what exif data is:

    http://www.digicamhelp.com/learn/glossary/exif.php

    It's a fair call as all digital camera jpegs have exif data embedded in the images unless stripped for some reason. If it have been stripped it tends to work against the authenticity of the image.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by drewlac on Aug 1st, 2007, 05:35am

    I thought the big basin photos weren't taken with a digital camera. I believe that LHM was mailed 4x6s by Ty then she scanned them in. Would that explain why there is no exif data?

    What about the Chad/Raj photos? They were taken with a digital camera.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Xeroid on Aug 1st, 2007, 06:53am

    You could well be right, I may have got the pictures mixed up. That said, are there any original digital camera images (talk of a Minolta and Canon camera I recall being used) so we can check for exif data?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 1st, 2007, 09:46am

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 05:35am, drewlac wrote:
    I thought the big basin photos weren't taken with a digital camera. I believe that LHM was mailed 4x6s by Ty then she scanned them in. Would that explain why there is no exif data?

    What about the Chad/Raj photos? They were taken with a digital camera.


    You are correct about the Ty photos. They were 4x6 glossies snail mailed to LMH and then scanned. The original scans are at 72 dpi. The hi res of aa is scanned at 1200 dpi. LMH as stated that she thinks the Ty photos were taken with a film camera. If it was I think it was a cheapo like a disposable.

    Only the Raj photos are known to be taken with a digital camera. It has been speculated the Chad photos are done with a film 35mm because of the grain.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 1st, 2007, 10:10am

    Ever since I heard about the chemtrails and have been reading about it, I think that this might explain why the sky over my city has been very "white" lately -- it really really reminds me of the sky in Big Basin photos. I can see how the sky would be white in those pictures from regularly occuring phenomenon!!!!

    Also, like Schechaiya has been saying.... it could be from chemtrails. I had never really seen chemtrails over my city before (but had never really looked for them) well I have been looking the last few days and haven't really seen any over the city but last night when I was at my sons football practice in a suburban town on the outskirts sure enough -- I look up and there are criss-crossed chemtrails that began to spread out in the sky. And, this morning on the way to work I saw some chemtrails in the eastern sky over my city.

    I have been reading all of the sites about the chemtrails and there is just too much info to digest, and with all of the conspiracy theories behind them, I just don't know where to begin or what to believe. IF it's all true, then I am pissed. IF it's just he government trying to protect the atmosphere -- that's one thing. Although I am not sure manipulating the atmosphere is a good idea. IF it is used as weather creating system.... why is the HAARP run by defense agencies and not weather related scientific organizations. It just has me really concerned is all..... why the government is spraying the skies.

    And, I can see why Big Basin sky could be white and hazy because I have seen sky like that around me here where I live. I don't know if the white haze is caused by the chemtrails or just pollution, but if I had taken a picture of something in that white sky it would look exactly like what we saw, and wouldn't have proved that the photo was a hoax.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 1st, 2007, 10:31am

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 10:10am, castles4me wrote:
    Ever since I heard about the chemtrails and have been reading about it, I think that this might explain why the sky over my city has been very "white" lately

    You don't live to awful far from Lawwalk in respect to distances traveled by jets cause they're really bad in his neck of the woods.

    This is one of the more interesting chemtrail stories I've ever run across.
    http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=chemtrails&action=display&num=1131039870&start=0#1115249952
    .
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:10am

    This may or may not be something worth examining in regard to determining the material that these craft might be made of and it's relationship to the embedded symbols.

    "The things that I saw described in this Lab Shopkeeper's Notebook consisted of things that today would be more powerful than the Intel Pentium processor, for instance, or the Cray supercomputer. There were communications devices that were described; there were ways to sandwich-in very, very thin, micrometre-thin layers; special metals to produce moving parts for things like...from the descriptions that I read, the nearest thing I could describe...an anti-gravity propulsion unit for a spacecraft. They included dynamic electronic and power-control technology that even to this day we have not yet developed. They included communications technology that was described only as having been taken from an object of unknown or unearthly origin. The documents were very carefully worded not to reveal what was, in reality, in these boxes of materials."

    This is part of a ten year old interview here:
    http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/accandroswell.html

    Although it matches the info from Corso in his book, "The Day After Roswell", I realize that his information has been energetically challenged. What I do know, first hand, is this ...

    Everything that is stated about Bell Labs stature in the scientific community is true. Nike missiles protected Bell Labs in Murray Hill New Jersey, the silos are still there. Why? What were they working on that required that kind of protection?

    There doesn't seem to be a lot of recent information on this story. Still, it's interesting how much tracks back to that Roswell crash. It makes you wonder how many pieces of the puzzle were scattered about the scientific community, and what the status of these research projects is today.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:31am

    Moving from the material to the symbols and how they interact:

    "Lithography is the process of imprinting patterns on semiconductor materials used in integrated circuits. A pattern, or mask, unique for each circuit, is required. Masks are costly, and new masks are needed each time the circuit design has to be modified. In low-volume situations, mask fabrication can become a significant manufacturing cost. Maskless lithography process using MEMS-based SLMs allows manufactures to build circuits without the expense of individual masks. Lucent's unique SLMs enable such circuits to achieve smaller critical dimensions with higher throughput."

    http://www.voyle.net/Nano%20Defence/Defence%202004-0013.htm

    Google Bell Labs and MEMS

    There's something to be said for "follow the money". Much of it is apparently coming from the DOD.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Aug 1st, 2007, 1:55pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 06:53am, Xeroid wrote:
    You could well be right, I may have got the pictures mixed up. That said, are there any original digital camera images (talk of a Minolta and Canon camera I recall being used) so we can check for exif data?


    Which Exif data do you want? (It has already been investigated) I have a couple but as Latitude says only one set is any good (+ Mufon on cell phone = Make MSM6500 / Camera Model Name - Unknown Sensor )

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 1st, 2007, 3:45pm

    I am involved with a little group that believes that the photos and data from these events are significant or at least to our group. We have found some interesting things. They are: 3 Dimensional reproductions of the diagrams used as UV maps on different shapes produce strange and interesting correlations. The changes in line width and the various elements that make up a specific image in relation to this image appearing elsewhere in the diagram appear to us to have meaning. I report this so that others looking into this event can have the knowledge of where my particular group is looking. If this info is unwelcome here, then just disregard it.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by VonStern on Aug 1st, 2007, 5:08pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 3:45pm, LEVIATHAN66 wrote:
    I am involved with a little group that believes that the photos and data from these events are significant or at least to our group. We have found some interesting things. They are: 3 Dimensional reproductions of the diagrams used as UV maps on different shapes produce strange and interesting correlations. The changes in line width and the various elements that make up a specific image in relation to this image appearing elsewhere in the diagram appear to us to have meaning. I report this so that others looking into this event can have the knowledge of where my particular group is looking. If this info is unwelcome here, then just disregard it.


    Any new evidence are welcome here! Please post your Group results, it will be delt with as all evidence placed here.

    --VonStern
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    Post by jugement on Aug 1st, 2007, 5:24pm

    thank you ATO:I KNOW YOU HAD A SUPRISE BIRTHDAY GIFT FOR ME AND ALSO THANK YOU LUVEY; YOU GUYS ARE TRULY WONDERFUL.SIMPLY PUT FOR THE REST OF .PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER ENGINEERS COMMENT ABOUT "ISAAC" AND CARET DOCUMENT; 2007 BY LINDA MOULTON HOWE. thank you again.re cool
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    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 1st, 2007, 7:42pm

    Any new evidence are welcome here! Please post your Group results, it will be delt with as all evidence placed here.

    I mentioned two things above that we have looked at so that others might do so too. The idea of my group is that we look at a thing, see what we get and no matter how atrocious the result, we pursue them. The others in my group to not come to sites because they do not debate their instincts, but follow them. We are older people and we don't have the luxury of debate. We put our results to our uses. I can post the things we look at, but it is up to others whether they look there or not and find their own results. Since this drone thing began this group has watched and read what has been said on many different site and they are very capable and mature. To be frank, most of the attitudes and agendas they have seen they do not like and I can not persuade them otherwise. I can only make suggestions based on what we think is important. No one is bound in any way to follow us and if the mod thinks this inappropriate, not one word else will be said.
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    Post by urantia606 on Aug 1st, 2007, 8:16pm

    From my reading of the 1954 report I have come to these conclusions'

    1. The Big Basin Drone is alien.

    2. The craft is possibly 2000 years old or older. The technology it uses is more than one million years old. Many other races use this same or similar technology.

    3. The race that operates it has been watching the earth for over 2000 years and probably for over 100,000 years.

    4. Atomic explosions in 1945 caused them to intensify their observations in the last half century.

    5. The Drone is supposed to be cloaked for invisible operations but can on rare occasions be seen.

    6. The Drone seen at Big Basin is approx. 350 feet long ( including the add ons).

    7. It is carried to this planet is their craft that is 7000 feet long. This very large craft is parked at 900 miles altitude above earth and carries a little over 2000 occupants.

    8. The government of the USA knows a lot about what is happening with this race and why they are here observing..

    I know a lot of people hate to read the information, opinions or ideas I present on this forum. But such is life. You all know the old saying: Take it or leave it
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    Post by DrDil on Aug 1st, 2007, 8:39pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 8:16pm, urantia606 wrote:
    From my reading of the 1954 report I have come to these conclusions

    By, “Report” are you referring to, “A Spacewoman Speaks?”
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    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 1st, 2007, 9:05pm

    Urantia606, I'll take it. BTW, I am absolutely loathed at OMF. There they resent that I use the word group. What else should I use for more that one and less than 15. I actually think that in your post are things my "group" (sorry) would agree upon without question.
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    Post by drewlac on Aug 1st, 2007, 9:11pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 3:45pm, LEVIATHAN66 wrote:
    We have found some interesting things. They are: 3 Dimensional reproductions of the diagrams used as UV maps on different shapes produce strange and interesting correlations. The changes in line width and the various elements that make up a specific image in relation to this image appearing elsewhere in the diagram appear to us to have meaning.


    Are you planning to post more information regarding this?
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    Post by MarkM on Aug 1st, 2007, 9:24pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 9:05pm, LEVIATHAN66 wrote:
    Urantia606, I'll take it. BTW, I am absolutely loathed at OMF. There they resent that I use the word group. What else should I use for more that one and less than 15. I actually think that in your post are things my "group" (sorry) would agree upon without question.


    I think "loathed" is a rather strong word - frustrated would probably be more accurate. Forums, after all, are for open discussion and the exchange of ideas. Vague pronouncements and cryptic messages get tiresome after a bit. I think you would have a much more productive time here at Casebook if you were more open with your facts. What you have posted is interesting, but again, we have more than enough puzzles here to keep us busy smiley!

    I think perhaps this has caused some problems in the past, but, life is for learning. I look forward to seeing the evidence you present.

    And, no, I don't recall seeing "group" on our list of banned words wink.
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    Post by jugement on Aug 1st, 2007, 9:33pm

    hi all;URanthia606,Iwould like to read more of that what you posted is their more.so is this the fantcy book you all talked about earlier? cool
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    Post by castles4me on Aug 1st, 2007, 10:27pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 8:39pm, DrDil wrote:
    By, “Report” are you referring to, “A Spacewoman Speaks?”


    Yes, Urantia... is that the "report" you are referring to? I thought we had all figured out that it was written by the president of the Fantasy Science fiction writers group. I am not being skeptical as far as the drones... but I am as far as that book. It's fiction.... move on.
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    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 1st, 2007, 10:50pm

    Are you planning to post more information regarding this

    Within the limits I am allowed, yes. I must warn you though this little group consists of mature men and women tired of games. We may set up a website to freely release whatever we find as food for thought and for others to do with as they please. Our group's very nature is cryptic from experience. I will try to meliorate that.
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    Post by Arkhangels on Aug 1st, 2007, 10:52pm

    Hi everyone smiley
    I know that I'm just a Brazilian guy that does not post anything new or interesting, but here I am, And this night (11pm) I just saw something interesting in the Brazilian Discovery Channel, I'm sorry if this subject was already discussed by some of you but here it goes:

    Coincidence or not, but just now there was this documentary in Discovery Channel about the Chemtrails shocked same week that we were talking about it here...
    In the end (like most of these science channels Discovery, National Geographic, etc) nothing conclusive was said, everything was like a bunch of nowhere guys (journalists and farmers) against the top scientists... angry

    But I was listening close when they said about the problems with the water in california, that was claimed by the believers that was caused by the chemtrails. Maybe our famous Drones in CA has something to do (like I suppose was already one conclusion of you guys) with it...

    Some of the things I took from the program was the website of the California guys against the Chemtrail problem:
    http://www.californiaskywatch.com/

    And this link just to increase our knowledge (specially for Urantia or Castles... I don't remember who was most interested in this issue of chemtrails)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo-engineering

    Hugs to all grin
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    Post by Arkhangels on Aug 1st, 2007, 10:59pm

    Leviathan you don't need to take such a defensive posture wink
    We will not crucify you just because you are part of a group of "mature ex-gamer men" in the Drone path... like was said we are all in this together to try to solve the "puzzles" and discover some truth...

    Or I'm wrong...

    Ark
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    Post by Latitude on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:00pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 10:52pm, Arkhangels wrote:
    Some of the things I took from the program was the website of the California guys against the Chemtrail problem:
    http://www.californiaskywatch.com/


    What's so wrong about being Brazilian? smiley

    I'm in California and there is nothing wrong with our water. So be skeptical about what you are hearing. Chemtrails? They are called contrails and they are normal when a speeding jet cuts through the atmosphere. Sorry but I can get skeptical too. I just happen to believe the drones are real but I don't believe in everything.

    Skepticism if done properly is a good thing. It's when you go overboard with it that it becomes very bad.
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    Post by Arkhangels on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:07pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:00pm, Latitude wrote:
    What's so wrong about being Brazilian? smiley

    I'm in California and there is nothing wrong with our water. So be skeptical about what you are hearing. Chemtrails? They are called contrails and they are normal when a speeding jet cuts through the atmosphere. Sorry but I can get skeptical too. I just happen to believe the drones are real but I don't believe in everything.

    Skepticism if done properly is a good thing. It's when you go overboard with it that it becomes very bad.



    Hi Latitude smiley
    Nothing wrong I think cheesy

    I understand your point of view, I'm not so sure if you understood mine:
    It just seemed very weird to me such documentary in the same week (or month) we are discussing same issue here...
    I'm not saying that I believe chemtrails are something real or bad, or both, or that the california water is contaminated... I just wrote the point said in the program (by the people of this website I posted).

    Maybe is all just a coincidence, but somehow I got a little tired of coincidences...

    Sorry if I sounded a little agressive, not my intention
    grin
    Hugs to all
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    Post by castles4me on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:09pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 10:52pm, Arkhangels wrote:
    Hi everyone smiley
    ICoincidence or not, but just now there was this documentary in Discovery Channel about the Chemtrails shocked same week that we were talking about it here...

    But I was listening close when they said about the problems with the water in california, that was claimed by the believers that was caused by the chemtrails. Maybe our famous Drones in CA has something to do (like I suppose was already one conclusion of you guys) with it...

    Some of the things I took from the program was the website of the California guys against the Chemtrail problem:
    http://www.californiaskywatch.com/

    And this link just to increase our knowledge (specially for Urantia or Castles... I don't remember who was most interested in this issue of chemtrails)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo-engineering

    Hugs to all grin


    Hi Ark -- you always have great comments! Glad to have someone from Brazil here also.

    Yeah those chemtrails are something! Schechaiya made the comment that maybe the chemtrails (or what they were putting in them -- or whatever they were doing to the ionosphere) were causing the decloaking of the drones there in California. Chemtrails seem to be really bad there. Also, as I am finding out, they are very bad in Texas too. I saw a bunch for myself yesterday and today. Lawwalk posted a video link under the Chemtrails section also that was very informative.

    I emailed the mayor of the city where I work (with questions about what the chemtrails are and what the government was spraying) and the mayor's office of the town where my house is and I sent the same question to my uncle who is a big-wig for the Environmental Protection Agency. I will let you all know what he says.
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    Post by urantia606 on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:29pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 10:27pm, castles4me wrote:
    Yes, Urantia... is that the "report" you are referring to? I thought we had all figured out that it was written by the president of the Fantasy Science fiction writers group. I am not being skeptical as far as the drones... but I am as far as that book. It's fiction.... move on.


    Hey, Castles:

    I don't know why my posts are so upsetting to you. I don't direct my posts to you in a personal manner but some odd reason you attack my every post.. I don't attack your posts so why don't you extend the same courtesy to me? You keep saying "Get over it". Isn't that a bit condescending?

    This is just the beginning of a great adventure. Hope you and the rest have fun along the way.
    Cheers.
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    Post by castles4me on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:42pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:00pm, Latitude wrote:
    I'm in California and there is nothing wrong with our water. So be skeptical about what you are hearing. Chemtrails? They are called contrails and they are normal when a speeding jet cuts through the atmosphere. Sorry but I can get skeptical too. I just happen to believe the drones are real but I don't believe in everything.


    Hi Lat -- I wasn't sure about Chemtrails either, I saw all of Lawwalk's pictures he posted here under the chemtrails section... but when I saw them for myself all over the skies here in Texas I knew it was real!! Contrails actually disappear rather immediately... the Chemtrails linger on and on and on and spread out over hours. I will agree, some of the conspiracy theories about this seem very far-fetched, but there is a truth to it... as with everything, we have to wade through the muck to get the truth out. But here are some clear-cut things that are facts and not conspiracy theories:

    Here you can read about HR 2977 -- the bill proposed to congress in 2001 and 2002 to ban certain things going into space such as chemtrails (in section B -- under Exotic Weapons Systems)-- you can read it yourself from these websites of the Federation of American Scientists:
    www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html
    "Owning the Weather by 2025" a "hypothetical" research paper written to the air force by majors for the purpose of using weather as a weapon. (it was supposedly hypothetical but those things are already happening!!)
    http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c15/v3c15-1.htm

    Also you can check out HAARP information. -- and if HAARP is so naively only using the system to help protect us from ozone depletion and global warming, how come it is owned and run by DARPA and other military/defense agencies instead of weather/science related organizations.

    photo of satellite image of chemtrails over US
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    I know that this may seem off-topic... but it may not be.

    Lots of chemtrails in California and decloaked drones.

    Plus on the report to the Air Force one of the things listed in the "capabilities matrix" was that manufactured cloud formations can help:

    - Increase Concealment
    - Disrupt Communications/Radar
    - Disable/Destroy Space Assets


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    Post by castles4me on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:48pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:29pm, urantia606 wrote:
    Hey, Castles:

    I don't know why my posts are so upsetting to you. I don't direct my posts to you in a personal manner but some odd reason you attack my every post.. I don't attack your posts so why don't you extend the same courtesy to me? You keep saying "Get over it". Isn't that a bit condescending?

    This is just the beginning of a great adventure. Hope you and the rest have fun along the way.
    Cheers.


    your posts don't upset me... and I am not "attacking" you or your post. And... I didn't say "get over it" I said "move on" -- maybe I should have said "Can we please move on?" is that better?

    It just seems unproductive to keep bringing up things that were already proven to be untrue is all. Maybe it's just me.
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    Post by urantia606 on Aug 2nd, 2007, 12:05am

    Hey Castles:

    That book that contains the alien report has not been 'proven' to be untrue at all, BTW.

    Also you just made a post about 'chem trails'. Some people say that chem trails are nothing but jet plane exhaust.

    But let me add, you have every right to post what you want. I have no problem with you posting your opinions about anything. That's what this Forum is all about.

    Cheers.'
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    Post by bonjody on Aug 2nd, 2007, 12:07am

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:00pm, Latitude wrote:
    I'm in California and there is nothing wrong with our water. So be skeptical about what you are hearing. Chemtrails? They are called contrails and they are normal when a speeding jet cuts through the atmosphere. Sorry but I can get skeptical too. I just happen to believe the drones are real but I don't believe in everything.

    Skepticism if done properly is a good thing. It's when you go overboard with it that it becomes very bad.


    AMEN !!!!!!
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    Post by castles4me on Aug 2nd, 2007, 12:24am

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 12:05am, urantia606 wrote:
    Hey Castles:

    That book that contains the alien report has not been 'proven' to be untrue at all, BTW.


    Urantia, I am sorry if I seemed condescending... was not my intention. In your previous post on the last page, you were talking about reading the report from 1954 and the conclusions you had.... it seemed like you were stating them as facts.

    Maybe you could have worded it that those were your theories or ideas based on the information in the book. Your post seemed misleading in that it seemed to present facts based on a report instead of your opinions garnered from reading a book written by the president of the Science fiction fantasy writers group N3F under the most questionable of auspices.

    Just my opinion... thanks for all that you share with the forum.... oh and for the record I actually agreed with something you said the other day too... I am not always against you smiley hehe
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    Post by CentralScrutinizer on Aug 2nd, 2007, 03:50am

    Hey all....

    first, for all who watched the video on the drones I did last month and appreciated it, thank you... I'm just starting to use some new software, so hopefully as time goes on, I can make longer, more detailed reports (on many subjects), in less time.

    Latitude: heh, I think you might have watched the second video first (when we were discussing them last week?), and maybe didn't realize that there were two reports, one which pointed out the 'pros' and the other which i did focus more on the 'cons' from the skeptical arena, only because that's where the most information was originating from... Though in the second one, I still ended in kind of a "I really don't know what to make of this whole thing" note.

    Been busy the last few days, soooo I guess I gotta get caught up around here and see what the latest news is.... any suggestions as to where the most important things are to start with? (only trying to be most productive with my budgeted time...at least until Finals are over next week, then I can "play" for a while)

    Also, for anyone who likes the vids I've done, I put up one that's of a little bit different nature tonight, it's more of a 'chill atmospheric' video, featuring a 'slide show' of hubble (and other) space telescopes, set to some cool Tangerine Dream music. It's called "Astral Voyage"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOf5wDzapsg

    Sheesh, I gotta start coming in during hours when people are still awake!
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    Post by CentralScrutinizer on Aug 2nd, 2007, 04:01am

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:00pm, Latitude wrote:
    I'm in California and there is nothing wrong with our water.


    hahaha just a little side comment..... that depends on where you are in California.... I used to live near a town called Hanford, and they have to treat their water in such a way, that it literally smells (very strongly) like rotten eggs.... ugh... it is so nasty there, that if you go out to eat, and the restaurant has their ice machine hooked up to the city water without being filtered.... well, most places offer drinks in cans and bottles, or will serve you the drink without ice. And showers......... YUCK

    It may be 'safe' to DRINK..... but...... that's why God invented bottled water!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by drewlac on Aug 2nd, 2007, 05:39am

    http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2142.html?theme=light

    I noticed this "Surveillance Dragonfly" story posted on C2C this morning while reading the recap from last night show with Shermer & Friedman (dubbed round 2 after Larry King Live show grin). IMO, it doesn't resemble the "drones"
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    Post by PolarMike on Aug 2nd, 2007, 08:29am

    Here is another link, to Nexus magazine, with more info about chem trails. It's from 2001, so it's a few years old, though.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 2nd, 2007, 08:35am

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 05:39am, drewlac wrote:
    http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2142.html?theme=light

    I noticed this "Surveillance Dragonfly" story posted on C2C this morning while reading the recap from last night show with Shermer & Friedman (dubbed round 2 after Larry King Live show grin). IMO, it doesn't resemble the "drones"


    I blew it up.... it does kind of look like the drones, except with wings. If the wing looking things pointed straight up in the center of if, it would look exactly like a drone. I do remember reading somewhere that they were coming up with insect type surveillance crafts for spying... this could be one.

    ok... found the story here: (but it doesn't look like that drone -- it is small insect like surveillance-- might want to keep your flyswatter handy, guys)

    http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/robotic-covert-surveillance-insect-takes-off-for-the-first-time/
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    Post by MarkM on Aug 2nd, 2007, 09:06am

    The obvious similarity that I see in this pic is the extension in "tow" that matches well with the infamous "sprinkler drone". The wings are very insect like (organic) and very different from what we've come to understand propels these craft. Doesn't fit the profile for the top array at all.

    Since the jury is still out on the "sprinkler drone", I think I'd wait on this new one. Actually, the body of the "sprinkler drone" matches well with a rather poor CGI model that was done by a poster on OM. This pic (the SD)is still my best vote for a copycat hoax. Just my opinion.

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    Post by castles4me on Aug 2nd, 2007, 09:47am

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 09:06am, MarkM wrote:
    The obvious similarity that I see in this pic is the extension in "tow" that matches well with the infamous "sprinkler drone". The wings are very insect like (organic) and very different from what we've come to understand propels these craft. Doesn't fit the profile for the top array at all.



    The wings look organic but the body doesn't... very strange huh Mark..... And agree, it looks (if we really were comparing) most like the "sprinkler drone" -- and I agree again with you, that that image is the one that is most questionable to me as well.

    I guess though, having a dragon-fly drone could be possible, even with bio-wings. ET or otherwise engineered.
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    Post by starsigndavid on Aug 2nd, 2007, 10:19am

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 04:01am, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
    d they have to treat their water in such a way, that it literally smells (very strongly) like rotten eggs.... !


    Well, as they say of their water in Springfield, home of The Simpsons:
    If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black, send it back!

    I think those are words we can all agree on! tongue
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    Post by starsigndavid on Aug 2nd, 2007, 10:25am

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 09:47am, castles4me wrote:
    I guess though, having a dragon-fly drone could be possible, even with bio-wings. ET or otherwise engineered.


    I am certain I read somewhere that the military has developed a drone which flies like a bird or a fly or something like that. Some of you younger folks, probably remember that better than me, but it was recently.
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    Post by MarkM on Aug 2nd, 2007, 10:27am

    I did see that someplace recently. It's about the size of a fly!
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    Post by castles4me on Aug 2nd, 2007, 10:59am

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 10:25am, starsigndavid wrote:
    I am certain I read somewhere that the military has developed a drone which flies like a bird or a fly or something like that. Some of you younger folks, probably remember that better than me, but it was recently.


    I had posted the link just this morning a few posts back #552 smiley
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    Post by starsigndavid on Aug 2nd, 2007, 11:15am

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 10:59am, castles4me wrote:
    I had posted the link just this morning a few posts back #552 smiley

    Ah, then that is where I saw it. I thought maybe that could tie in with the new pic, but that thing looks like a fly with a SERIOUS glandular problem!
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    Post by DrDil on Aug 2nd, 2007, 11:41am

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 10:25am, starsigndavid wrote:
    I am certain I read somewhere that the military has developed a drone which flies like a bird or a fly or something like that. Some of you younger folks, probably remember that better than me, but it was recently.


    Do you mean the Bird Plane?

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    (NASA is looking into a small unmanned aircraft that flaps its wings for propulsion. Based on newer flexible solar panels and flexible batteries, this is more feasible.)

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    EDIT: Never mind, just seen your post above this one, "Ah, then that is where I saw it. I thought maybe that could tie in with the new pic, but that thing looks like a fly with a SERIOUS glandular problem! "
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    Post by starsigndavid on Aug 2nd, 2007, 11:49am

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 11:41am, DrDil wrote:
    Do you mean the Bird Plane?

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    EDIT: Never mind, just seen your post above this one, "Ah, then that is where I saw it. I thought maybe that could tie in with the new pic, but that thing looks like a fly with a SERIOUS glandular problem! "



    Yes, thank you Dr. I knew I had seen something on BOTH: a fly and bird wing vehicles. You both covered my a** on that one! smiley
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    Post by oljack666 on Aug 2nd, 2007, 12:11pm

    on Aug 1st, 2007, 9:05pm, LEVIATHAN66 wrote:
    Urantia606, I'll take it. BTW, I am absolutely loathed at OMF. There they resent that I use the word group. What else should I use for more that one and less than 15. I actually think that in your post are things my "group" (sorry) would agree upon without question.


    I guess you haven't met DarkDragon then. We happen to enjoy OMF so I'm cancelling out your vote. Your problem is with some of the members of OMF, not OMF.

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    Post by Latitude on Aug 2nd, 2007, 6:33pm

    How about a little humor!!! grin grin grin

    This is a call to C2C. Sorry but this is from the odd side of Ufology.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o-3u6HJ_xo
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    Post by Marvin on Aug 2nd, 2007, 6:42pm

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 6:33pm, Latitude wrote:
    How about a little humor!!! grin grin grin

    This is a call to C2C. Sorry but this is from the odd side of Ufology.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o-3u6HJ_xo


    Let me see... always giving him static... and always wants the phone... hmmmm, sounds like he's married. grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Aug 2nd, 2007, 6:46pm

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 05:39am, drewlac wrote:
    http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2142.html?theme=light

    I noticed this "Surveillance Dragonfly" story posted on C2C this morning while reading the recap from last night show with Shermer & Friedman (dubbed round 2 after Larry King Live show grin). IMO, it doesn't resemble the "drones"


    Did Stanton hit him in the face with a bat this time ?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 2nd, 2007, 6:53pm

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 6:33pm, Latitude wrote:
    How about a little humor!!! grin grin grin

    This is a call to C2C. Sorry but this is from the odd side of Ufology.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o-3u6HJ_xo


    Was it a setup Latitude?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by drewlac on Aug 2nd, 2007, 7:37pm

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 6:46pm, LangLee wrote:
    Did Stanton hit him in the face with a bat this time ?


    They had a web poll at the end of the show regarding who stated their case the best. Stanton won by a landslide, 'bout 80% if I remember correctly.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 2nd, 2007, 7:43pm

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 7:37pm, drewlac wrote:
    They had a web poll at the end of the show regarding who stated their case the best. Stanton won by a landslide, 'bout 80% if I remember correctly.


    That's to be expected. Consider the audience. What I thought was odd about the show was I could tell that C2C has an audio engineer who was dialing the two speakers up and down. It seemed to me that Schermer was being favored by the engineer.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Xeroid on Aug 3rd, 2007, 07:13am

    I would appreciate some help with a little project I'm working on with another forum where we discuss all things Canon DSLR. I posted some info on this case in there looking for comments and the thread has become very busy.

    I am very interested in photography and have a Digital Rebel XTi not dissimilar to Rebel XT that Jenna/Stephen captured the Big Basin images with.

    I have mentioned EXIF data before but it seems there are people who can look at the detailed camera settings and establish if an images stacks up ...here is a sample from a forum member below.

    So my question is, does someone know where we can get an original JPEG image right from Jenna/Stephen's Canon Rebel XT instead of the resized EXIF stripped versions.

    If this has been thrashed out, my apologies.

    -------

    http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

    Actually at the bottom of the page it says "Click on images for originals full size", and this does work.

    If the filenames of the images indicate the order in which they were taken, then the image which is posted first on that page is actually #3 in the sequence, followed by #1 and #2. (And that's consistent with the story.)

    The image at the top of the page appears to be a 100% crop from #1.

    #1 is 628KB. #2 is only 314KB. #3 is 570KB. These are too small to be originals, despite what it says on the page.

    And there is still no EXIF data, which again says that these are actually not the originals. That's a real shame because it would allow us to look at exposure mode, shutter speed, aperture, focal length, white balance setting, and so on. There are aspects of the pictures that raise questions (such as why is #3 focussed on the grass but #1 and #2 are focussed on the "object"?) and which could be tested against the EXIF data.

    If they are faked, they are at least moderately skillful. (Though as one of BB posts showed, fakes can be very skillful indeed.) Here is a 100% crop from #2. You can see that the "object" and the trees appear to have comparable chromatic aberration and comparable motion blur (which appears to be caused by a too-slow shutter speed). Again, the lack of EXIF data is really disappointing because it would allow a more riogorous test. (What lens was used and are its CA characteristics consistent with what we see? What shutter speed was used and is that consistent with the motion blur? etc.)

    If the story is true, then the photographer is a photography student, and he first showed the images to someone who is a professional photographer. Obviously they would (should!) know what EXIF data is, and you'd have thought that one of them would have thought of preserving it.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by drewlac on Aug 3rd, 2007, 08:54am

    Xeriod - I think you need to send a note to LMH @ Earthfiles with this request, its a good one. She is the one who has been in contact with Jenna L/Stephen. However, I wouldn't get my hopes up because I'm not sure witnesses are talking any more.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 3rd, 2007, 09:14am

    on Aug 3rd, 2007, 07:13am, Xeroid wrote:
    I am very interested in photography and have a Digital Rebel XTi not dissimilar to Rebel XT that Jenna/Stephen captured the Big Basin images with.

    I have mentioned EXIF data before but it seems there are people who can look at the detailed camera settings and establish if an images stacks up ...here is a sample from a forum member below.

    So my question is, does someone know where we can get an original JPEG image right from Jenna/Stephen's Canon Rebel XT instead of the resized EXIF stripped versions.

    If this has been thrashed out, my apologies.


    The resolution on the Steven photos is 2496x1664 which is the medium setting for the Canon Rebel XT. So I'm assuming those are the full size pics but the exif is missing.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Xeroid on Aug 3rd, 2007, 09:58am

    on Aug 3rd, 2007, 09:14am, Latitude wrote:
    The resolution on the Steven photos is 2496x1664 which is the medium setting for the Canon Rebel XT. So I'm assuming those are the full size pics but the exif is missing.


    Here is a comment from the Canon DSLR forums regarding that resolution and file size question.

    =====

    Anyway, if this is what it is claimed to be then it was taken with a Canon Rebel XT (aka 350D). Good. We can work with that.

    The data attached to the photo in that album state that it is a JPEG measuring 2496x1664 pixels. That is exactly the size that an XT/350D produces when set to Medium resolution (page 52 of the XT/350D manual). However, the file size should normally be about 2.0MB for Medium Fine or 1.0MB for Medium Normal (page 53 of the manual); this image is actually only 628KB. And, disappointingly, the image contains no EXIF data.

    So if this is genuine then what we are seeing here is certainly not the original image. The size is right, but it appears to have been compressed and it has definitely had the EXIF data stripped. So where is the original? Why hasn't Stephen been encouraged to post that?

    ====
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:31am

    on Aug 3rd, 2007, 09:58am, Xeroid wrote:
    Here is a comment from the Canon DSLR forums regarding that resolution and file size question.

    =====

    Anyway, if this is what it is claimed to be then it was taken with a Canon Rebel XT (aka 350D). Good. We can work with that.

    The data attached to the photo in that album state that it is a JPEG measuring 2496x1664 pixels. That is exactly the size that an XT/350D produces when set to Medium resolution (page 52 of the XT/350D manual). However, the file size should normally be about 2.0MB for Medium Fine or 1.0MB for Medium Normal (page 53 of the manual); this image is actually only 628KB. And, disappointingly, the image contains no EXIF data.

    So if this is genuine then what we are seeing here is certainly not the original image. The size is right, but it appears to have been compressed and it has definitely had the EXIF data stripped. So where is the original? Why hasn't Stephen been encouraged to post that?

    ====


    Yes. The compression setting would determine file size. My Fuji camera has three compression settings. So does the Rebel. The 0.6 MB is exactly the size for a Rebel at low res setting. Looks like Steven's camera was set on Basic jpeg compression for the maximum number of pictures capability.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:56am

    I must have missed this somehow....

    http://www.ufocasebook.com/unmannedprobeanalysis.html

    It is interesting.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:59am

    below here is the email sent in to UFO Casebook from Jenna -- I am wondering if she would still provide copies of their discussion from the photography grouphuh
    Quote:
    Hi!
    (I found a number of email addresses and was not sure which you checked most, so I just played it safe and sent to all of them. I hope this is okay.

    My name is Jenna and I participate in a listserv for photographers in Saratoga, CA. Today a member named Stephen posted some pictures he took yesterday (the 5th) for a class assignment in the area around Big Basin. The pictures very clearly depict some kind of large object in the sky, and he was able to get two clear shots and one out-of-focus shot before it apparently disappeared. I recognized certain details on this object immediately because a friend had sent me your About.com article on different UFOs that have appeared recently with a similar appearance.

    Now, I should mention that this is a private listserv for a very close-knit group. I have met almost everyone that participates in person and I have met Stephen in particular many times, so I take his word seriously.

    We have been discussing it for the last couple of hours and I suggested we start by sending pictures to your web site since you clearly have some familiarity with this situation so far. Unfortunately I'm not a moderator of this listserv and can't give you access, but I can send you copies of the discussion as it develops if you would like to stay abreast. Let me know.

    Stephen has given me permission to contact you with his photos and information and you may email him directly if you wish. We don't have any special need for anonymity on this matter and if you would like to post this email along with the photos you may do so. I would be interested in hearing from the other photographers of this kind of craft in particular and seeing what this is all about! The following is his first listserv email which was sent earlier this afternoon:



    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by drewlac on Aug 3rd, 2007, 12:55pm

    She contacted UFO Casebook, so someone should have her email...should be a simple request.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Aug 3rd, 2007, 2:34pm

    HI all; when we get extra ,extra exspert help on the drones. the debunkers disapear and so on. NOT to mention the side winders . why . HOW MANY PEOPLE HAS WALKED UP TO YOU AND SAID I KNOW WHERE A UFO IS . DEAL WITH THE PICTURES, AND PLEASE LEAVE IT TO THE PROS. HERE IS ONE FRANK VALENTYN. WHY IS WHEN THE TRUTH IS TROWN AT US WE DUCK.MIND YOUR MIND FOR THE JEWELS OF YOUR SOUL.RE wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by VonStern on Aug 3rd, 2007, 6:25pm

    on Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:56am, castles4me wrote:
    I must have missed this somehow....

    http://www.ufocasebook.com/unmannedprobeanalysis.html

    It is interesting.


    Interesting, indeed! This is hard reading, for layman, but in a sense just an observation, and a very legitimate outlay.

    We can't know for sure, that this is "IT", but as I see it, it comes pretty much closer to the truth, if one reads this in it's entirety.

    I guess that this is the closest thing we all somehow expected it to be, evidence that this is real, contact of the third kind. (in this case showing evidence of ET Technology)

    When I learned that there were significant similarities to the TY BB Photo's, and the "linguistic Primers" provided by "Isaac", I knew this had substance.

    I can only say, it's now more than likely, that this link is valid.

    Just my humble opinion, and as said before - we can only watch, as things unfold.

    --VonStern
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Xeroid on Aug 3rd, 2007, 9:15pm

    on Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:59am, castles4me wrote:
    below here is the email sent in to UFO Casebook from Jenna -- I am wondering if she would still provide copies of their discussion from the photography grouphuh




    That's very interesting and encouraging.

    So someone in here can send an email to Jenna or Stephen with a very simple request. Can casebook please have the three images again but this time without the EXIF data stripped out.

    We don't even need the original images, even a simple image resizer program like this XP PowerToy (10th on the list) retains EXIF data in a 800x600 100KB web image of a high res image.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

    This will give my fellow POTN Canon DSLR forums members a chance to study the fingerprint of the image and as you would have seen from their comments, go a long way to establishing the images authenticity.

    http://photography-on-the.net/forum/ (112,000 Canon DSLR members + guests)

    At this stage no EXIF = is someone trying to hide edits/modification to the images.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by CentralScrutinizer on Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:59pm

    on Aug 2nd, 2007, 11:49am, starsigndavid wrote:
    Yes, thank you Dr. I knew I had seen something on BOTH: a fly and bird wing vehicles. You both covered my a** on that one! smiley


    The other vehicle I thought of (heh, vehicle, it's a toy), is the 'dragonflyer' toy plane.... it looks like a dragonfly and its wings beat and it flies around.... it's like one of those "Air Hogs" toys or something...which, I admittedly own a few of those (not the dragonflyer), and other R/C things as well.... I'm such a kid...yes, I even bought them at "Toys 'R' Us" smiley
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Aug 4th, 2007, 12:00am


    I used to do repair work on electro-mechanical equipment and electronics some years ago; so I sorta have a handle on what the guy's saying.

    There's a certain SYMMETRY to movable parts, you know?

    And these puppies AIN'T GOT IT. They're about as lopsided and ungainly as I can even imagine. It doesn't even make sense that it could spin without whirling APART, let alone, sit up in the air silently without any parts moving.

    As a former repair guy, all I can say is, these look to me like a combination orange-juice squeezer and Edward Scissorhands.

    Strange.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 4th, 2007, 11:25am

    Strange is the key. They do not look like what you expect, because they are not doing what you suspect. They are not flying. They are ignoring gravity which is something humans are not capable of doing nor are they capable of being cognizant of how it is done. This is similar as to the scientific pronouncement that Bees can't fly. The Bee flies in spite of the human and with no recognition of the humans inability to understand how. In other words the Bee does not care.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Aug 4th, 2007, 11:36am


    If you were a bee and somebody said it was impossible for you to go about your business, would you care?

    I don't think we ought to care about debunkers, either. We're just going about our business here.

    : ) She--
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 4th, 2007, 11:39am

    Admin of OMF has had his caret items online store shut down by someone on ATS claiming he has infringed copyright. Admin has responded claiming the copyright belongs to extraterrestrials!!! wink (excellent move, Bren)

    Any way, Endzone (remember him?) has setup his own drones items website and has some really cool stuff. I actually designed my own t-shirt about a week ago but Endzone's are much better.

    http://www.cafepress.com/dronesin


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Aug 4th, 2007, 12:44pm

    on Aug 4th, 2007, 11:39am, Latitude wrote:
    Admin of OMF has had his caret items online store shut down by someone on ATS claiming he has infringed copyright. Admin has responded claiming the copyright belongs to extraterrestrials!!! wink (excellent move, Bren)

    Any way, Endzone (remember him?) has setup his own drones items website and has some really cool stuff. I actually designed my own t-shirt about a week ago but Endzone's are much better.

    http://www.cafepress.com/dronesin



    Scene: Copyright Court. 2007

    T-shirt maker.

    "Hi there Judge, your honor. I got this space alien design I want to copyright. No, I didn't design it but I want to own it. Is that OK, your Honor?"

    Judge:

    " NO, you can't copyright an alien design. Now get outta my courtroom and don't come back here with that ufo, space alien nonsense ever again. Got it, sir"

    "Now, send in Mr. Space Alien"
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 4th, 2007, 1:00pm

    This is great, go far it. This is what will make this known in spite of the snobs in the media. Design away, the more the better. One part of my personal agenda is to bring this to MYTH status if nothing else. Selling good items that introduce this to more people is one way to do it. Great Ideas, go, go ,go and as a byproduct, it will irritate the irrational skeptics. You guys GO!!!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by pvtjoker75 on Aug 4th, 2007, 3:13pm

    on Aug 4th, 2007, 12:00am, Shechaiyah wrote:
    I used to do repair work on electro-mechanical equipment and electronics some years ago; so I sorta have a handle on what the guy's saying.

    There's a certain SYMMETRY to movable parts, you know?

    And these puppies AIN'T GOT IT. They're about as lopsided and ungainly as I can even imagine. It doesn't even make sense that it could spin without whirling APART, let alone, sit up in the air silently without any parts moving.

    As a former repair guy, all I can say is, these look to me like a combination orange-juice squeezer and Edward Scissorhands.

    Strange.



    something not susceptible to gravity can take any shape necessary i would think
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DdP on Aug 4th, 2007, 3:33pm

    Hi,
    i'm surprised that you have not benefited so far from this interesting breakthrough :
    Mvario, on OMF, had found this Plug-in : http://neatimage.com/

    & then SaladFingers tried out that neatimage software on the Inventory image... "It makes it much clearer. You can see the detail much better... Take a look"

    http://i11.tinypic.com/4yowcpe.jpg

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Aug 4th, 2007, 4:07pm


    Well, that's nice. I downloaded the software, set it up, pulled in the first picture.

    I have NOT A CLUE how this software works. I feel as if I'm trying to decode RANDOM Chinese characters here.

    Nice try, but this is waaaaaay over my head, just now.

    :shrug:

    Shech--
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 4th, 2007, 5:11pm

    Nice software, I tried it on the BB drone Hi Res Image, worked well.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DdP on Aug 4th, 2007, 5:40pm

    Shall we see this BB image ?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 4th, 2007, 6:47pm

    Sure, but it is not at full resolution. I wanted it for some other work I am involved in so I use the software on a reduced version. I was impressed, but it may mean little to this discussion. I will put it up.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 4th, 2007, 6:57pm

    User Image

    Someone should try this software on the full resolution version. This reduced version seems much clearer for my purpose.

    Viva La France
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Farmboy on Aug 5th, 2007, 12:35am

    on Aug 4th, 2007, 3:33pm, DdP wrote:
    Hi,
    i'm surprised that you have not benefited so far from this interesting breakthrough :
    Mvario, on OMF, had found this Plug-in : http://neatimage.com/

    & then SaladFingers tried out that neatimage software on the Inventory image... "It makes it much clearer. You can see the detail much better... Take a look"

    http://i11.tinypic.com/4yowcpe.jpg


    Afterburner's secondary burn element, or component of a continuous flow chemical reactor. definitely a high temp heating element extends into the annular space.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Aug 5th, 2007, 11:24am

    After seeing several Drone videos of late, I thought I’d give it a go!!

    BRIEF HISTORY OF 2007 DRONE UFO’S VIDEO

    (Any comments/criticisms welcomed……)

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Aug 5th, 2007, 12:49pm

    More and more corroboration from various books.

    1952..Contact by 'automatic' writing. Page 79.."The Flying Saucer Reader"..Jay David.
    "There are ships that look like tubes; craft that are round with an opening in the center; and triangular craft."

    1947..The Maury Island Episode. Page 193
    In June 1947, Jackson said, his crew his son were on patrol boat patroling near Maury Island, an island in Pudget sound.
    Suddenly everyone on the boat noticed six "doughnut-shaped" objects, just under the clouds, headed towards the boat.
    They came closer and closer, and when they were about 500 feet over the boat they stopped. One of the doughnut shaped
    objects seem to be in trouble as the other five were hovering around it. They were close and everybody got a good look.
    The UFO's were about 100 feet in diameter, with the "hole in the doughnut" being about 25 feet in diameter. They were
    silver in color and made no noise. The next morning a mysterious visitor told them to forget about what they had seen".

    1952..Inside The Spaceships". Page 60...Adamski
    "Also inside this room was a robot instrument which I was cautioned not to describe. I had noticed a miniature version of
    this robot in the Scout (craft). I would have liked to stop in this room for closer observation of all of these....machinery and
    instruments and to have been permitted to ask questions, but this privilege was not permitted."

    1959..Michigan's "Flying Bird Cage"...Page 132...Menzel...."The World Of Flying Saucers"
    "....a man and his wife noticed a strange craft hovering in the sky....the UFO was elongated with a dome on top, something
    like a bird cage.....the object seemed to be twenty to thirty feet in diameter...."

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DarkSky on Aug 5th, 2007, 12:49pm

    on Aug 5th, 2007, 11:24am, DrDil wrote:
    After seeing several Drone videos of late, I thought I’d give it a go!!

    BRIEF HISTORY OF 2007 DRONE UFO’S VIDEO

    (Any comments/criticisms welcomed……)



    Nice overview DD smiley

    Some constructive criticism/first impressions.

    To bad the images couldn't be sharper. Understand low-def=faster presentation.

    Headers don't seem to always be at the beginning of a segment. (example; couple of shots of BB before the "Ty" header was displayed).

    Maybe I just had the volume TO LOUD, but at times the music seemed a little distracting from the presentation.

    Lack of focus on the "characters", especically in the Raj pics. Maybe close-ups of the Raj "Fin" and the Ty "Plates" would be a good addition?

    I did like the sci-fi voice overs, "Forbidden Planet"?

    Nice work, could use a little polish.

    DarkSky
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Aug 5th, 2007, 1:11pm

    on Aug 5th, 2007, 12:49pm, DarkSky wrote:
    Nice overview DD smiley

    Some constructive criticism/first impressions.

    To bad the images couldn't be sharper. Understand low-def=faster presentation.

    Headers don't seem to always be at the beginning of a segment. (example; couple of shots of BB before the "Ty" header was displayed).

    Maybe I just had the volume TO LOUD, but at times the music seemed a little distracting from the presentation.

    Lack of focus on the "characters", especically in the Raj pics. Maybe close-ups of the Raj "Fin" and the Ty "Plates" would be a good addition?

    I did like the sci-fi voice overs, "Forbidden Planet"?

    Nice work, could use a little polish.

    DarkSky


    Thanks for taking the time to comment, I know what you mean about the pictures being poor quality, may have to rethink the resolution, it’s because I wanted it a decent size screen.

    The two bb shots, I’m going to go back and watch it now, but were they not part of the three from the Jenna/Stephen account? (Which was titled – I think!!)

    Regarding the volume, again now you’ve mentioned it I think you’re right. (I also forgot to level the volume) and as for the characters, I wanted to show the images as they were pretty much received, but I think you’re right, it lacks something when you can’t appreciate the characters.

    I did an earlier one that showed the image, and then zoomed in, but I couldn’t get in under the ten minute mark. Re-think is needed!!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 5th, 2007, 1:21pm

    DD - I think you did a great job! Once everyone has showcased their productions we need to have the First Annual Dronie Awards!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by VonStern on Aug 5th, 2007, 3:51pm

    on Aug 5th, 2007, 11:24am, DrDil wrote:
    After seeing several Drone videos of late, I thought I’d give it a go!!

    BRIEF HISTORY OF 2007 DRONE UFO’S VIDEO

    (Any comments/criticisms welcomed……)


    This video will help spread this whole issue throughout the World. (Don't forget to post it on YT and Yahoo..)

    Excellent job, DrDil cool

    --VonStern
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 6th, 2007, 05:33am

    User Image

    Obs! someone forgot to move the mouse cursor when they took the screenshot... or is this another unidentified object that looks just like my mouse arrow grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by elevenaugust on Aug 6th, 2007, 08:00am

    Hello to all and congratulation for your very well built and informed site.
    You make here also (I am also on OM) a very good work.
    English is not my native language, so excuse me for my bad english!!

    At the moment, it is very quiet and, by waiting to have some news, i wanted to bring some precisions on this photo, where we perceive what looks like a mouse cursor.

    I have already evoked it in a thread on OM, and, after an appropriate treatment of images, here is what it gives:
    User Image
    It looks like a hole in the threes, we can see the sky behind....

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Nodnunk on Aug 6th, 2007, 10:16am

    on Aug 5th, 2007, 11:24am, DrDil wrote:
    After seeing several Drone videos of late, I thought I’d give it a go!!

    BRIEF HISTORY OF 2007 DRONE UFO’S VIDEO

    (Any comments/criticisms welcomed……)


    Dr. Dil:
    1. The presentation needs some context. The uninformed would ask "what am I looking at?" You need an intro a-la StarWars: <Long, long ago, in star systems far, far away, alien societies developed an understanding of the physical universe that lead to technology capable of interstellar travel.> ---You get the idea.
    2. The glitzy fadeins makes the photos look cartoonish, IMO.
    3. No need to show all the photos. Pick the best and zoom in on different parts of the objects.
    4. The Q4-86 text needs to be readable, not fuzzy.
    5. Perhaps more mystical music might be better. For example: Symphonies of the Planets (5 vols) LaserLight CD.

    Thanks for the opportunity to express
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 6th, 2007, 10:55am

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 08:00am, elevenaugust wrote:
    It looks like a hole in the threes, we can see the sky behind....


    Hi, and welcome to the thread! It looks like a hole in the tree on this picture. Oh Roh's picture, it really did look like an arrow lol
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 6th, 2007, 12:19pm

    RoH, your find is truly worth a very close look. Good work. Very interesting find.
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    Post by chemicaldave on Aug 6th, 2007, 2:18pm

    Can't be a hole in the trees. You can see the top edge of the hill way above that white spot. Sure looks like a a blemish or cursor. Nice catch RoH. I don't know what it is, but it ain't supposed to be there. Well... maybe someone is lost in the forest and flashing a mirror at the photographer. wink
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    Post by elevenaugust on Aug 6th, 2007, 3:10pm

    stupid hoaxer which forgot to erase its cursor of mouse….
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    Post by MarkM on Aug 6th, 2007, 3:34pm

    Well, you can see how far we're reaching for stuff now. This is kind of like the stormtrooper in the basket.

    As a graphic artist I can tell you that there's no way when creating an image file that your desktop or cursor is saved with the image! Nor do you have to erase your cursor! The only way that this would happen is with a screen capture, meaning that you're taking a snapshot of whatever is on your monitor.

    So if you're looking at that possibility, the complete photo would have already been displayed and not in the process of being created. I can't think of any reason that you'd do that. In terms of a "stupid hoaxer" I think we've just spent several weeks demonstrating that if it is a hoax these guys are far from stupid. It's a gap in the branches.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by HopefulSkeptic on Aug 6th, 2007, 3:36pm

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 05:33am, RoH wrote:
    Obs! someone forgot to move the mouse cursor when they took the screenshot... or is this another unidentified object that looks just like my mouse arrow grin


    Good find, dude! Bravo! You may have blown the lid off this thing.

    I dropped the original pic into PrintPro and zoomed it up 1000%. My money is on a mouse cursor.

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    and some more insanely extreme zoom

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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 6th, 2007, 3:53pm

    Just to reiterate my previous post - even if it were a cursor (which I doubt that it is) then this would be a screenshot of an existing image. In other words - the "cursor anomaly" is not a part of the original image.

    If you're looking for a smoking gun, this isn't it.

    NOTE: I just tested that using Grab and the cursor does not show up in the image. I couldn't even make it part of the capture. If you could somehow pull that off, the cursor would be sharp, clear and obvious, not a vague light spot because it is on top of the original image.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by HopefulSkeptic on Aug 6th, 2007, 4:06pm

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 3:53pm, MarkM wrote:
    Just to reiterate my previous post - even if it were a cursor (which I doubt that it is) then this would be a screenshot of an existing image. In other words - the "cursor anomaly" is not a part of the original image.

    If you're looking for a smoking gun, this isn't it.

    NOTE: I just tested that using Grab and the cursor does not show up in the image. I couldn't even make it part of the capture. If you could somehow pull that off, the cursor would be sharp, clear and obvious, not a vague light spot because it is on top of the original image.


    I respect your opinion MarkM. But assuming the drones have been Photoshopped.....the only way to make a convincing lower-resolution cell phone picture would be to take a cell phone picture of an image on a monitor.

    This way, you have the expected cruddy cell phone resolution, along with the Photoshopped image as well. There would be no other feasible way to get the Photoshopped image into the cell phone.

    The only thing is, its easy to forget about the mouse cursor.

    Also, some screen capture programs such as Camtasia, have an option to screen capture with or without the mouse cursor. Though I don't think screen capture was used in this case. Just a cell phone photo of a monitor displaying a finished Photoshop image.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Bruska on Aug 6th, 2007, 4:28pm

    I don't claim to know what it is... but my mouse cursor isn't irregularly shaped and radiating light onto other pixels on the screen.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by AgentM on Aug 6th, 2007, 4:30pm

    I been drone so long, it looks like up to me..
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by HopefulSkeptic on Aug 6th, 2007, 4:47pm

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 4:28pm, Bruska wrote:
    I don't claim to know what it is... but my mouse cursor isn't irregularly shaped and radiating light onto other pixels on the screen.


    At that level of zoom, its going to be irregular due to pixelation.

    And the radiating light would indicate a thin film of oil or cleaning residue on the monitor's screen.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 6th, 2007, 4:59pm

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 05:33am, RoH wrote:
    Obs! someone forgot to move the mouse cursor when they took the screenshot... or is this another unidentified object that looks just like my mouse arrow grin


    Roh, do you really mean to tell me this is the first time you heard of this? laugh laugh laugh
    It's the oldest debunker claim in the drone book! I thought as long as you had been around you had seen it before. It was screamed about almost three months ago (and has also been proved false a long time ago).
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 6th, 2007, 5:05pm

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    undecided Remember those JPEG artifacts, maybe it's just the compression artefact that is the result of an aggressive data compression scheme applied to an image that is playing us a trick grin

    Picture before compressed.
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    you can read about compression artifacts here:
    http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/glossary/g/jpegartifacts.htm
    Or wiki:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_artifact

    jpg/jepg compressed picture.
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    I,m pretty sure there is no hole in that hill?

    maybe just a mirror there in the woods\hill? Who knows??
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 6th, 2007, 5:24pm

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 4:59pm, Latitude wrote:
    Roh, do you really mean to tell me this is the first time you heard of this? laugh laugh laugh
    It's the oldest debunker claim in the drone book! I thought as long as you had been around you had seen it before. It was screamed about almost three months ago (and has also been proved false a long time ago).


    I have not seen this before, elevenaugust mention he had already evoked it in a thread on OM, are you sure it have been mentioned in this forum? To me it looks like a mouse cursor, but that dose not meen that I think it is a hoax. People do many strange things grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 6th, 2007, 5:52pm

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 5:24pm, RoH wrote:
    I have not seen this before, elevenaugust mention he had already evoked it in a thread on OM, are you sure it have been mentioned in this forum? To me it looks like a mouse cursor, but that dose not meen that I think it is a hoax. People do many strange things grin

    Well, I don't remember where it was but I thought it was proved long ago that it was only the light shining through the trees over the mountain ridge.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Aug 6th, 2007, 6:10pm

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 5:52pm, Latitude wrote:
    Well, I don't remember where it was but I thought it was proved long ago that it was only the light shining through the trees over the mountain ridge.


    Yeah you’re right Latitude, probably the same time as me over on OMF, I can’t be bothered to search the thread for a link but I have a copy. wink Easy enough to verify.

    Re: UFO -'best yet'? up close and detailed
    Post by rodin on May 16, 2007, 12:48am

    Hello all:
    I just had to reread the entire contents of this thread before I made a comment that someone else may have pointed out previously.

    My observation concerns picture 1 from the first batch of photos. On the right-hand side of that photo about mid-way up, there appears to be an artifact that bears a strong resemblance to a mouse cursor.

    I looked at fore's PNG version of that picture and the object appeared to be too pixilated for me to come to a solid conclusion. It almost appears to be an outcropping of exposed rock in the blown-up version of the file. But, in the original file, it sure does look like a mouse cursor to me¿¿

    If it is a mouse cursor, I'm not saying that the photos are fake. But, it does make me more suspicious!!

    OK, I can understand downloading or emailing the photo(s) to my home computer. But, why would one take a picture of the computer screen and crop the image? On the other hand, why would one CGI? an image and not print it out to get rid of that bothersome mouse cursor?


    I’m sure there was a subsequent discussion about it, can’t really remember now.
    (Well, this is where I first saw it!!)

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 6th, 2007, 6:33pm

    I thought the only cellphone pictures were the Lake Tahoe ones, not Chads. Maybe I missed something. They originally went to C2C so there might be more info available.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 6th, 2007, 7:57pm

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 6:33pm, MarkM wrote:
    I thought the only cellphone pictures were the Lake Tahoe ones, not Chads. Maybe I missed something. They originally went to C2C so there might be more info available.


    I believe the first Chad picture, the one taken by Chad's wife, was done with a cell phone too.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 6th, 2007, 8:43pm

    Gotcha. It is of a lesser quality, that makes sense.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 6th, 2007, 9:13pm

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 08:00am, elevenaugust wrote:
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    It looks like a hole in the threes, we can see the sky behind....


    I agree with elevenaugust -- you can see sky behind that, all it is, is a triangular (sort of) shape of a hole in the tree cover.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Aug 7th, 2007, 07:00am

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 9:13pm, castles4me wrote:
    I agree with elevenaugust -- you can see sky behind that, all it is, is a triangular (sort of) shape of a hole in the tree cover.


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    Take a look again at the original photo... there is no "sky" or blue in that area. In the below version, we have blue "sky below the area in question (plants with yellow flowers)... which is not sky. The blue may simply be caused by enhancement (white is showing as blue).

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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by chemicaldave on Aug 7th, 2007, 07:26am

    Why don't you guys draw a line across the hilltop ridge and see where it is. That blemish can't be a hole in the trees, it would have to be a hole clear through the top of the hill.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Aug 7th, 2007, 07:45am

    on Aug 7th, 2007, 07:26am, chemicaldave wrote:
    Why don't you guys draw a line across the hilltop ridge and see where it is. That blemish can't be a hole in the trees, it would have to be a hole clear through the top of the hill.


    While I agree with you...

    Even if it were the sky, how would it be possible for it to be bright white? The brightest part of the sky is to the left, this should not be casting blinding white light "through the trees."

    If you also notice the blue shift on all object edges that touch the bright white areas (on the original photo)... then look at the arms on the drone... what's wrong with that picture?

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by HopefulSkeptic on Aug 7th, 2007, 08:25am

    on Aug 7th, 2007, 07:26am, chemicaldave wrote:
    Why don't you guys draw a line across the hilltop ridge and see where it is. That blemish can't be a hole in the trees, it would have to be a hole clear through the top of the hill.


    Hopefully this will suffice until someone more skilled in Photoshop can illustrate it more clearly.

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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by HopefulSkeptic on Aug 7th, 2007, 08:33am

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 5:05pm, RoH wrote:
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    RoH I'm just curious, since you didn't specifically state this...did you take these photos using a cell phone pointed at a computer monitor? With the mouse intentionally placed over a similar landscape?

    If so, you've reproduced the drone/cursor effect perfectly. Again I say to you....bravo! I couldn't have illustrated this point better.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by AgentM on Aug 7th, 2007, 09:05am

    Ho hum..The cursor idea is so old.
    It originated in either the 1st drone or the pre-drone thread at the time called "strange craft" thread.

    Maybe its a stupid sign, "Do not photograph the drone."
    that is reflecting in the sun.

    If its a cursor then why is it that only the cursor is blurred beyond recognition and not the entire picture?
    Same goes for cleaning oil. Why is the entire photo not smugded in this manner?

    Perhaps it is a small pool of water as it appears to be reflecting light or allowing light to pass through.

    I have hiked up many a hill to find a small pool of standing water near a ridge line usually the result of a small spring or recent rain.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 7th, 2007, 09:42am

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 3:34pm, MarkM wrote:
    As a graphic artist I can tell you that there's no way when creating an image file that your desktop or cursor is saved with the image! Nor do you have to erase your cursor! The only way that this would happen is with a screen capture, meaning that you're taking a snapshot of whatever is on your monitor.

    So if you're looking at that possibility, the complete photo would have already been displayed and not in the process of being created. I can't think of any reason that you'd do that. .


    EXACTLY -- just because a cursor (could) prove that it was taken of a screen shot -- doesn't mean that the original image was not true.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 7th, 2007, 09:42am

    Now instead of saying CG,CG, CG, we have some good work here. It is hard for me to say this is not the mouse cursor. Very good catch. It does not indicate the drone is fake, but it does beg the question why use a cell phone to retake the picture from the monitor.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by SwampGas on Aug 7th, 2007, 09:57am

    well if nothing else, leaving a cursor in the picture seems like an unbelievably stupid mistake, considering (if we assume the photos are faked) how much effort must have gone into this.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 7th, 2007, 10:31am

    on Aug 7th, 2007, 08:33am, HopefulSkeptic wrote:
    RoH I'm just curious, since you didn't specifically state this...did you take these photos using a cell phone pointed at a computer monitor? With the mouse intentionally placed over a similar landscape?

    If so, you've reproduced the drone/cursor effect perfectly. Again I say to you....bravo! I couldn't have illustrated this point better.



    OK, the picture I used, is shot with my cell phone at 1280x960 px.
    I uploaded it to my screen (or my 160x160cm projector wall screen),
    then I took a new picture of it with my cell phone, but with a resolution
    of 640x480 px, same as the chad picture (Craft050607a). I then uploaded it to my
    computer and compressed it to the same size as the chad picture 38,5 kB (JPEG).

    But the picture I uploaded to the web has been resized and compressed with JPEG to fit on the forum page... undecided

    Maby someone els can do the same thing, and get a better result.
    Someone with a standard PC screen?


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by drewlac on Aug 7th, 2007, 11:02am

    It is impossible to determine where the hill line is since we don't know the exact location where photo was taken or the topography of that location.

    IMO this is not a mouse cursor.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Aug 7th, 2007, 1:38pm

    HI ALL : I HAVE BEEN TRING TO STAY AWAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE CAN POST. LAST NIGHT I WAS TRING TO GO TO SLEEP AND AS I WAS DRIFTING TO SLEEP A DRONE APEARED IN MY HEAD IN THE NIGHT SKY> WHY I DO NOT KNOW YET EVERY TIME I TRY TO GO AWAY I SEE SOME ALLIEN THAT WANT LET ME STAY AWAY. I HAVE NOTHING PROFESSIONAL AT FIRST OR NOW PICTURE WISE OR TECH WISE, ALL I HAVE IS THE DREAM. AND WHAT YOU ALL PRESENT> TAKE CARE . TUTHFULY I JUST ONLY WANTED TO READ THIS TOPIC SINCE THE FIRST POSTING AND I TOLD OF MY DREAM. INEED NO OTHER PROOF ABOUT ALLIENS OR THEIR CRAFTS. I JUST SHARE MY TRUTHS WITH YOU GUYS ,WHY IT IS NOT FOR THE WORLD THATS WHY ET LETS THOSE OF US WHOM HAVE SEEN SEE. OR THEY WOULD HAVE LET THE WORLD SEEN THEM >LOOK HOW FAST THEY FLY LOOK HOW MANY MILES BIG SOME OF THE SHIPS ARE ECT, SO NOW DONT YOU THINK IF ET WANTED THE WORLD TO KNOW THEY CAN DO JUST THAT LET THEM KNOW. wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 7th, 2007, 3:34pm

    on Aug 6th, 2007, 2:18pm, chemicaldave wrote:
    Can't be a hole in the trees. You can see the top edge of the hill way above that white spot. Sure looks like a a blemish or cursor. Nice catch RoH. I don't know what it is, but it ain't supposed to be there. Well... maybe someone is lost in the forest and flashing a mirror at the photographer. wink


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    I got one more picture grin grin grin

    I posted it in the "POST YOUR ARTWORK" tread.

    Link:
    http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=tips&action=display&num=1157292220&start=45#1186525437
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by matlivo on Aug 7th, 2007, 3:41pm

    hahahahahaha! grin

    and more evidence of smudging. nasa, hmmmz?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Aug 7th, 2007, 5:09pm

    on Aug 7th, 2007, 09:42am, LEVIATHAN66 wrote:
    It does not indicate the drone is fake, but it does beg the question why use a cell phone to retake the picture from the monitor.


    Exactly... this is where the story we are told must stand up to scrutiny....

    If you don’t want someone to pull the wool over your eye, then there must be a reasonable level of credibility.

    If this is a cursor (a big IF)... then there are big credibility gaps in the story we are being told.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 7th, 2007, 6:07pm

    If this is a cursor, the game is just that a game. Still the BBDrone is a Masterpiece for someone and so are the Isaac documents and diagrams. Lets all say it togeather "CG".
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 7th, 2007, 6:19pm

    I think I need a new drone shot soon... grin grin grin

    Where are the rest of the high-res pictures from TY!!!

    Can't wait to see the other side of the BB drone angry

    There must be a good reason.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by matlivo on Aug 7th, 2007, 6:53pm

    Quote:
    Lets all say it togeather "CG".


    'c... wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 7th, 2007, 6:58pm

    on Aug 7th, 2007, 6:19pm, RoH wrote:
    I think I need a new drone shot soon... grin grin grinWhere are the rest of the high-res pictures from TY!!!Can't wait to see the other side of the BB drone angry
    There must be a good reason.


    Roh, email LMH and ask her. If enough bug her she'll send them.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 7th, 2007, 7:14pm



    Not knowing diddly about the drones or pictures of them or anything else, I asked my 15 year old daughter to come to the computer. I asked her, "do you know what that white mark was there on the trees," and she said, mommmmmm, its the sky behind the trees there's a gap there where there's no trees.

    So ask your family members who aren't privy to the pictures. Show them the original of course. lets see what kind of responses we get.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 7th, 2007, 7:35pm

    on Aug 7th, 2007, 7:14pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    Not knowing diddly about the drones or pictures of them or anything else, I asked my 15 year old daughter to come to the computer. I asked her, "do you know what that white mark was there on the trees," and she said, mommmmmm, its the sky behind the trees there's a gap there where there's no trees.

    So ask your family members who aren't privy to the pictures. Show them the original of course. lets see what kind of responses we get.


    My mom visited me today, and I did the same as you ATO, asked her what the white thing in the picture was... but silly me, I was pointing at it with my mouse cursor, so she thought it was just that, my mouse cursor huh
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Aug 7th, 2007, 7:55pm

    At least on my monitor... I had to enlarge the photo 220% and my cursor fits perfectly.

    On the negative side of that theory, the photo does not fit on the screen.

    I think if someone is to prove this theory... is there a cursor that will match the size of the artifact in the photo, while the photo is able to be photographed on the screen?

    If this can not be done… then I think we can rule out the cursor theory.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 7th, 2007, 7:55pm

    I did not know that there was a police investigation of the Capitola drone sighting by a detective Mark Gonzales of Capitola PD.

    You can read about it here:
    http://www.paranormalfiles.co.uk/Chad_raj1977_drone.htm

    They got the Rajman1977 posts from OM there too.

    It have probably been posted here before,
    but there is alot of people who is new to this,
    and have not read this, just look at all the views
    this last tread has allready got...
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 7th, 2007, 7:57pm


    Good one Roh. My cursor I noticed was on the monitor too when she was looking at the picture but she didn't see it.

    Roh, the banner's length has got to be shortened. You'll need to reduce it. Just hack it in the center cut and paste. lol People with older monitors have to scroll back and forth to read because your banner is toooooo long. lol grin grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 7th, 2007, 8:01pm



    That was pretty good. Now I see why you want the Ty Hi-Res.

    Ok everybody, get out your emails and email LMH again and ask her why she hasn't sent the hi-res Ty pictures out other then the first one.

    We want them now.

    earthfiles@earthfiles.com
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 7th, 2007, 8:19pm

    on Aug 7th, 2007, 7:55pm, bakosawa wrote:
    At least on my monitor... I had to enlarge the photo 220% and my cursor fits perfectly.

    On the negative side of that theory, the photo does not fit on the screen.

    I think if someone is to prove this theory... is there a cursor that will match the size of the artifact in the photo, while the photo is able to be photographed on the screen?

    If this can not be done… then I think we can rule out the cursor theory.


    Maby Chad got a old monitor with poor resolution grin grin grin

    To get the correct match of the cursor and the white thing in the image, you do need to zoom in on it, so it is a bit strange.

    Everything els is almost flawless, except that the Chad and the TY photos are scans huh The TY pictures are muddy-looking, and the Chad pictures have alot of "dust" particals.

    Someone have been cropping and photo shopped those pictures, too bad.

    I like the Rajman1977 pictures best, take a look at my drone video (click my signature image) and see them one more time. Can't ask for better pictures than those grin

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by matlivo on Aug 7th, 2007, 8:26pm

    at risk of upsetting people(which i do not want to do. ever) or sounding like a 'know it all', (which i am far from).....

    you have covered this people!!! stop going in circles.
    so, as noted on the many previous pages...
    \
    --unless there is a hole in the mountain, or the trees along the rear ridge line are the amongst the biggest in the world...
    1. it is not the sky.
    period.

    and 2. it does appear to be a curser, but even when this has been studied/tested, it is ultimately inconclusive.

    3.whether or not it is a curser in this pic does not affect the overall validity of the origional image(if it exists), or of the other photos(which are of a much higher quality.)

    now bloody move on and get back to the bigger picture of spreading and discussing information; and maybe reaching a conclusion or even concensus whenever possible.
    and not running in circles.


    (...says i, while being chased down the street and pelted with fruit and rotten eggs by at least half of you wink )

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 7th, 2007, 8:38pm

    Would you prefer apples or tomatoes grin?!! LOL

    Actually, that's good advice. Worst case scenario - cursor - doesn't effect the picture so it's relevance would remain a mystery.

    We need new stuff!!!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by matlivo on Aug 7th, 2007, 8:44pm

    (...puf,puf, pant ..'...apples ..please mark. any that stick to me i can.. feed to the horses..' ..puf)
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 7th, 2007, 8:50pm

    on Aug 7th, 2007, 6:07pm, LEVIATHAN66 wrote:
    If this is a cursor, the game is just that a game. Still the BBDrone is a Masterpiece for someone and so are the Isaac documents and diagrams. Lets all say it togeather "CG" .


    Ok, for those of you that have not seen the CG work that has been done allready of the drones.

    I found this blog that have the hole collection, and much more.
    http://myparanormallife.blogspot.com/2007/06/ufo-drone-photos-inspired-videos.html

    So, take a look there before you say that this is just CG and nothing more.

    Obs, I did not see the CG recreation of the BB drone from Saladfingers there, so here it is:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBEYc5OUUtw&mode=related&search=


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 7th, 2007, 8:51pm

    Well, at the top of most all ridges is a fire road so there easily could be a break in the trees for a road to go through. Who's to say.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by matlivo on Aug 7th, 2007, 9:03pm

    ...sigh.

    (... apples if possible, ms true wink )
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 7th, 2007, 9:16pm

    on Aug 7th, 2007, 9:03pm, matlivo wrote:
    ...sigh.(... apples if possible, ms true wink )


    Did I miss something? What's with the apples and Mark's tomatoes?
    Must have missed a post because I feel like I've been sent somewhere I cannot return from.

    User ImageCALLED THE TWILIGHT DRONE

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 7th, 2007, 9:17pm

    Yeah I know, it's late and time for me to go to bed. I'm in my goofy mode.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by matlivo on Aug 7th, 2007, 9:23pm

    Quote:
    ........ .......(...says i, while being chased down the street and pelted with fruit and rotten eggs by at least half of you )

    Posted by: MarkM Posted on: Today at 11:38:06
    Would you prefer apples or tomatoes ?!! LOL


    no stress, ms true! smiley
    n' sweet dreams also
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 7th, 2007, 9:28pm

    on Aug 7th, 2007, 8:51pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    Well, at the top of most all ridges is a fire road so there easily could be a break in the trees for a road to go through. Who's to say.


    User Image

    ATO, is my banner still too longe? look PM wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Kemuri on Aug 7th, 2007, 10:09pm

    After trying to catch the 100 pages i didn't read up (that was hard) and after seeing the cgi, i am still not covinced around this drone... i also read "isaacs" mails but i'm still on the doubting/waiting side.

    Theres still many things that seem to strange around all this for me at least.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Aug 7th, 2007, 10:30pm

    [quote author=Kemuri

    Theres still many things that seem to strange around all this for me at least. [/quote]AND WHAT IS IT? wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Aug 7th, 2007, 11:08pm

    on Aug 7th, 2007, 10:09pm, Kemuri wrote:
    After trying to catch the 100 pages i didn't read up (that was hard) and after seeing the cgi, i am still not covinced around this drone... i also read "isaacs" mails but i'm still on the doubting/waiting side.

    Theres still many things that seem to strange around all this for me at least.


    Hey Kemuri:

    Strange? What's so strange about a 350 foot long Drone that was made on some alien planet 70 million light years from earth flying around and scaring the bejesus out of people for the last 50 or 100, 000 years?

    What's so strange about that?


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Aug 8th, 2007, 12:19am

    on Aug 7th, 2007, 10:09pm, Kemuri wrote:
    After trying to catch the 100 pages i didn't read up (that was hard) and after seeing the cgi, i am still not covinced around this drone... i also read "isaacs" mails but i'm still on the doubting/waiting side.

    Theres still many things that seem to strange around all this for me at least.


    I simply don't even put the CGI's in the same class as the Capitola and Big Basin pics, the CGI's aren't even close.
    It's laughable that anyone would be fooled by the CGI, there aren't subtile omissions, there are blatant omissions. Like he had a picture of someone's face, he copied the outline of it and left out the facial features.
    If that's all he's got it only proves that Capitola and BB aren't CGI..............and if they are that dude used a Rendering Farm and some really serious software .

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Aug 8th, 2007, 01:30am


    Quote:
    It's laughable that anyone would be fooled by the CGI


    This is the kind of debunking statement, with ridicule added, that makes me wonder about someone's ability to SUSPEND JUDGMENT.

    It's so easy to yell Hoax! Hoax!

    When the fact is, our Coverment has been lying to us and covering up ET relations for sixty years.

    Those drones could be ET; they could be back-engineered; they could be Hollywood mock-ups.

    But our having this opinion or that opinion is not going to get any of us any closer to the actual Truth.

    We have to simply WAIT FOR MORE INFO.

    But what I have to say about them is, I don't like the LOOKS of them. They don't look Object-Friendly to me. I don't see anybody standing on the ground with Agreement or Contract in hand, to make sure that anybody who is touched by this drone has already given permission.

    Those are not "forgiving" machines, whatever they do.


    She-Chai
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Aug 8th, 2007, 07:34am

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 01:30am, Shechaiyah wrote:
    This is the kind of debunking statement, with ridicule added, that makes me wonder about someone's ability to SUSPEND JUDGMENT.

    It's so easy to yell Hoax! Hoax!

    When the fact is, our Coverment has been lying to us and covering up ET relations for sixty years.

    Those drones could be ET; they could be back-engineered; they could be Hollywood mock-ups.

    But our having this opinion or that opinion is not going to get any of us any closer to the actual Truth.

    We have to simply WAIT FOR MORE INFO.

    But what I have to say about them is, I don't like the LOOKS of them. They don't look Object-Friendly to me. I don't see anybody standing on the ground with Agreement or Contract in hand, to make sure that anybody who is touched by this drone has already given permission.

    Those are not "forgiving" machines, whatever they do.


    She-Chai


    What are you talking about "debunking", that's the last thing I am.
    After the things I've witnessed, gimme a break.

    You should've put the rest of my statement up, you left it incomplete. Let me put it another way......the CGI's are dismal recreations of what I believe to be real objects. How someone could be fooled by them is beyond me, they are missing so many details.
    Still don't know where you came up with that nonsense.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Aug 8th, 2007, 12:09pm


    Please put your ego back in your pocket.

    I don't come here to argue.

    I grab a thought and run with it. It's not personal.

    All I asked was :: Can we RESERVE JUDGMENT? and not try to jump to conclusions?

    That is an inner-directed question, and it was not about you.

    Okay? I want to be friendly and deal with issues and not personalities. Can we agree to this?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z0CiLbUvi0

    Here. Feel better. Music helps "reset" thoughts back to "BENIGN."

    : ) She-Chai
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 8th, 2007, 1:02pm

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 12:19am, LangLee wrote:
    I simply don't even put the CGI's in the same class as the Capitola and Big Basin pics, the CGI's aren't even close.


    I think you're right too. Since the very first drone I have looked at CGI until I'm purple and I have not found one single website that has any CGI the quality of the Big Basin drone.

    I have looked at all of the professional CGI sites mainly and there's nothing that compares to the detail.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 8th, 2007, 2:13pm

    I have constructed 9 different Drones in Cinema 4D. I have yet to reach the detail of the BB Drone. Now believe it or not I know what I am doing and it is very, very difficult to even come close to the work done on these drones. Nor has anyone else. The detail work on the BB drone is astounding. IMO it is not a bump map, it is not a texture map, it is not a displacement map. If it is CG it has to be a very, very high mesh model. So what is it? I DO NOT KNOW, but it is a hell of a good job whatever it is.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Kemuri on Aug 8th, 2007, 3:29pm

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 12:19am, LangLee wrote:
    I simply don't even put the CGI's in the same class as the Capitola and Big Basin pics, the CGI's aren't even close.
    It's laughable that anyone would be fooled by the CGI, there aren't subtile omissions, there are blatant omissions. Like he had a picture of someone's face, he copied the outline of it and left out the facial features.
    If that's all he's got it only proves that Capitola and BB aren't CGI..............and if they are that dude used a Rendering Farm and some really serious software .


    As far as i know no media have even touched this eventhough there is alot more photo's etc than many other cases.
    Still the incident at O'hara gained alot more media coverage, maybe because of all the witnesses i don't know. but i do know that after all these pictures there is still no sign of movement in the media around this.

    Further more i am allowed to have my oppinion wich i won't change that easily smiley
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 8th, 2007, 5:53pm

    User Image

    Looks like there could be more diagrams on the backside of the panels?

    If someone needs a free image enlargement (upscale) plug-in for photoshop, you can download it here:
    http://www.outbackphoto.com/workflow/wf_60/essay.html
    (It's at the bottom of the page.)
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Aug 8th, 2007, 6:25pm

    No they haven't, because they don't want the truth..... maybe. Reporters do not call the shots, the owners do, and you can believe that none of them got there totally legally.
    What if one of the big papers wanted to run the story, this one has it all, but they choose to spend the space on lights and blurry things........if the powers that block us made a call to the owner and mentioned the SEC....dead story. The rich and powerful don't get that way being honest, you can bet your sweet... on that, so that leaves them vulnerable where revealing the truth is concerned in this area.
    A reporter once asked to interview me about an incident in my town, I said as long as you print what I say, not what you think I said, use MY words, do not add your's. She said she couldn't, that she would write her interpretation of my story, I stated that it isn't the truth you're seeking, you're looking to put your slant on a story.....I sent her on her way.
    The only way this story can be told to the press and to the public is to take out a full page ad in the NY times, LA Times, ect. displaying the photos, the story behind them, and ISAAC's information. no saladbowl / dressing/ cruthers, whatever CGI's, no Shermers, no noodle spined Larry King, simply the information as recieved.
    We also need to communicate with LMH. I want to know the EXACT location the Rajman pics where taken. He started on a hill in a residential area, as he tries to keep up, he captures the corner of someones roof in the shot, what street is this on? He then gets to an area that is above / level with the top of the pole the craft goes over, he shoots from a distance. He then makes it to an area next the pole shoots the craft from under, what street is this on ? My sister would drive there from her home and take a look for me if I had an address. Since we can't get proof of the craft's existance no matter what we believe, we should try to get the exact location that all of the pics were taken.......
    for if the locations do not exist, neither can the craft's at those location at those times.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 8th, 2007, 6:30pm

    Maybe a NEW DRONE sighting?

    User Image

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    From ufoseek.com forum

    Quote:
    dinwidy7:
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    I took this photo today. This looks alot like the drone craft that was posted on here a while ago.


    Quote:
    azzllin:

    Wow fred this is where you live? have you seen these before? ive been folowing these drones well their story on various forums and people are in two minds about them, but if have them comming to your neibourhood you could hold the key to all the speculation over the californian sightings and prove they are real. you need to report this to MUFON.


    Quote:
    dinwidy7:
    User Image
    Yes this is a first for me if it is like the one from the Big Basin...I can't tell. I didn't even see it because I was just taking pictures of the field below it. By the time I reviewed the pictures it had already been a minute or two so it was gone. This is behind Wal - Mart in Pearisburg, VA. I usually take pictures in the other direction (South). I hope this is what I think it is.


    Higher-resolution image her grin
    http://www.ufoseek.com/forum/gforum.cgi?post=6159;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;laughage=u
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 8th, 2007, 7:39pm

    Someone should get in touch with this guy and tell him not to send it to MUFON!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Kemuri on Aug 8th, 2007, 7:42pm

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 6:25pm, LangLee wrote:
    Since we can't get proof of the craft's existance no matter what we believe, we should try to get the exact location that all of the pics were taken.......
    for if the locations do not exist, neither can the craft's at those location at those times.

    But can you 100% sure say those photo's are genuine? because i for one still want to keep an open but still sceptic mind around it.

    I know from a couple of my friends that works as 3d artists that it's very possible to make 3d animations in style with the Big Basin drone with todays prgrams availible for them, ofcourse it will take them a bit of time to do but it is still possible wich is my point.

    I admit i was amazed at the first photo's of the craft but the amazement went off when i saw the Big Basin one
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Bruska on Aug 8th, 2007, 7:42pm

    Definitely an interesting picture! As far as being a drone, i'm not so sure. If we are to use every picture thus far as evidence, then these things operate on a specific axis... parallel to the ground, while this picture shows something that appears to have some pitch to it. If I were to go out on a limb here, I'd say that if these drones were real, their "antigravity" systems would operate... well opposite the gravitational field of earth, lending to their constant orientation to the ground. Again though, great picture... I'm from VA myself and wish I could snap a shot of something so interesting.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Aug 8th, 2007, 7:56pm

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 6:30pm, RoH wrote:
    Maybe a NEW DRONE sighting?

    User Image


    Could it be an insect (like a dragonfly)?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 8th, 2007, 8:01pm


    Could you crop those two pictures down so they fit the page. They are way over the limit.

    Just narrow up the sides.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 8th, 2007, 8:06pm

    Now I'm getting paranoid - after the LMH interview on Paranormal Cafe they indicated that it would be made available. The link on their site turned out to be the show teaser and not the actual program. I sent them an email and got a note back from "Charile" that he was editing it and it would be up soon. They even had a statement to that effect on their site. Now, all mention is gone and he's not returning my emails huh

    They have shows that followed that one, but no LMH. Hmmm.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 8th, 2007, 8:39pm

    User Image

    More details of something more complex cool

    I used the demo vs of the "Neat Image" program that someone
    posted earlier (I think is was saladfingers on OM) and the
    fractal image program "DOP Upsizing" from Uwe Steinmueller.

    Links:
    Neat Image
    DOP Upsizing

    Maby make one of the hole craft, that would clear some things up... not the BB drone, too muddy!... The Raj and Chad drone pictures!...
    I think will work with this metode, we see wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DarkSky on Aug 8th, 2007, 9:54pm

    @Marvin

    Dragonfly? IMO. Looks more like a big fat geese flapping it's wings. shocked
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DarkSky on Aug 8th, 2007, 9:58pm

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 8:06pm, MarkM wrote:
    Now I'm getting paranoid - after the LMH interview on Paranormal Cafe they indicated that it would be made available. The link on their site turned out to be the show teaser and not the actual program. I sent them an email and got a note back from "Charile" that he was editing it and it would be up soon. They even had a statement to that effect on their site. Now, all mention is gone and he's not returning my emails huh

    They have shows that followed that one, but no LMH. Hmmm.


    Yes, Had a similar experience. See my attempts below:


    Charlie at The Paranormal Cafe (back on 8/4/07) said:
    Quote:
    Hey D.S.!

    Yes there was a coming soon blurb with LM-H on the site.
    It was to get people to listen to the live broadcast of the show with Linda Moulton-Howe, Dr. Lynne Kitei, and David John Oates.
    There will be a podcast of the show's interview segments eventually (Linda's was outstanding).
    The show aired Sunday July 29. We're a weekly show and generally have a back log of 2 to 3 weeks between broadcast and podcast.
    Thanks for listening to our podcasts.
    Listen live at http://wche1520.com Fridays between 11:00am and 1:00pm Eastern time.
    Cheers,
    Charlie at The Paranormal Cafe

    Dark Sky's original email request for info:
    Quote:
    Wasn't there a show on July 29th that had LMH on it?

    Seems your website had a "coming soon" blurb about it. But now, there is already an August podcast up, and no mention (that I could see) about the show from July 29th?

    If I missed it somehow, can you provide a link?


    Thanks,
    D.S.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DarkSky on Aug 8th, 2007, 10:01pm

    @RoH
    Yeah, that was pretty cool software Saladfingers linked to. I liked the "turkey eye", pretty cool stuff.

    Anyway, wonder if those smudges mean the drone has been to L.A.? Maybe smog is peeling the paint. wink grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 8th, 2007, 10:23pm

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 10:01pm, DarkSky wrote:
    @RoH
    Yeah, that was pretty cool software Saladfingers linked to. I liked the "turkey eye", pretty cool stuff.

    Anyway, wonder if those smudges mean the drone has been to L.A.? Maybe smog is peeling the paint. wink grin


    It could be hot air if real, or smudges from photoshopping if it's a hoax, time will tell wink

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Aug 8th, 2007, 11:11pm

    How do you do pics here ?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 8th, 2007, 11:23pm

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 11:11pm, LangLee wrote:
    How do you do pics here ?


    [ img] TEKST[ / img ] = image url from a image acount like: http://bayimg.com/ or any other page...

    Hope it helps, we need more pitures grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 8th, 2007, 11:31pm

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 11:23pm, RoH wrote:
    Hope it helps, we need more pitures grin


    Just make 'em smaller, guys! I have to scroll five miles to right to get them all in shocked grin!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 8th, 2007, 11:48pm

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 11:31pm, MarkM wrote:
    Just make 'em smaller, guys! I have to scroll five miles to right to get them all in shocked grin!


    MARKM, how big is your banner on your screen shocked it's pretty small here grin now where is that picture... !!

    Quote:
    Don't take it seiusly
    lipsrsealed it's time for.... zzz
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by HopefulSkeptic on Aug 9th, 2007, 02:30am

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 11:31pm, MarkM wrote:
    Just make 'em smaller, guys! I have to scroll five miles to right to get them all in shocked grin!


    There's a great plugin for Firefox that allows users to right-click on an image and fit it to the screen, whether its too big or too small, with lots of other features as well. Its a great free program. I hope it helps those of you who have trouble with images.

    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/139



    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by HopefulSkeptic on Aug 9th, 2007, 02:44am

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 5:53pm, RoH wrote:
    If someone needs a free image enlargement (upscale) plug-in for photoshop, you can download it here:
    http://www.outbackphoto.com/workflow/wf_60/essay.html
    (It's at the bottom of the page.)


    I tried this out, and the end results seem to be just as good as PrintPro, if not a little better. PrintPro's interface is more sensible, making it easier to use. PrintPro and has a few extra features like sharpness and film grain which can offer minimal improvements. The processing seems to be a bit more optimized with PrintPro also (takes a little less time to work on an image).

    For the price, you can't beat DOP Upsizing. Its basically everything PrintPro is, minus the price. I wish I'd known about it before I bit the bullet with PrintPro. Great for milking every bit of detail out of UFO (drone) pics, ghost pics, etc.




    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Xeroid on Aug 9th, 2007, 03:20am

    Finaly a digital image with the coveted EXIF date smiley

    Shame the target is blurry and far away but at least we know the camera settings and can compare against the actual image.

    File Name aug8 113.JPG
    Camera Model Name KODAK EASYSHARE C653 ZOOM DIGIT
    Shooting Date/Time 8/08/2007 1:09:04 PM
    Tv (Shutter Speed) 1/640
    Av (Aperture Value) 4.6
    Exposure Compensation 0
    ISO Speed 80
    Image Size 2848x2144
    Flash Off
    Color Space sRGB
    File Size 1368 KB
    Focal Length 18mm
    Owner's Name
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Aug 9th, 2007, 03:50am

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 8:13pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    he lives in Narrows, Virginia

    I emailed him and sent Mark and Roh his email address.

    Quote:
    Re: [discloseorlose] Possible Drone Craft [In reply to]

    -------------------------

    Uh...OK...
    Already did...oh your the one who didn't believe me from the ufocasebook website... that explains it .

    -------------------------
    Fred Dinwiddie

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 9th, 2007, 05:49am

    That tells us a lot. He produces a picture on 8/8 and we already told him we didn't believe him? Confused. rolleyes
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 9th, 2007, 09:40am

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 05:49am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    That tells us a lot. He produces a picture on 8/8 and we already told him we didn't believe him? Confused. rolleyes


    that post he put on the other forum was in response to your post ATO... maybe he was confused?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 9th, 2007, 09:44am

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 9:54pm, DarkSky wrote:
    IMO. Looks more like a big fat geese flapping it's wings. shocked


    Looks like a goose to me...... not trying to be skeptical... It really does look like one.

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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Aug 9th, 2007, 11:08am

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 09:44am, castles4me wrote:
    Looks like a goose to me...... not trying to be skeptical... It really does look like one.

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    His stuff seems questionable, things he says he photos and I see nothing in the pics.......then he said it's invisible ?
    Go figure
    That's clearly not a drone.
    Let's focus here people, desperation breeds bad judgement.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 9th, 2007, 11:13am

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 11:08am, LangLee wrote:
    His stuff seems questionable, things he says he photos and I see nothing in the pics.......then he said it's invisible ?
    Go figure
    That's clearly not a drone.
    Let's focus here people, desperation breeds bad judgement.


    Yes, the movement of the flapping is there, which means it could very well be a bird.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 9th, 2007, 1:35pm

    As if getting droned weren't bad enough, now we're getting goosed embarassed?!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 9th, 2007, 2:29pm

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 1:35pm, MarkM wrote:
    As if getting droned weren't bad enough, now we're getting goosed embarassed?!


    There is such a thing as a droning dog but can they fly?
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    Then again, there are drones that drone and they can actually fly.
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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by pvtjoker75 on Aug 9th, 2007, 2:55pm

    Anyone else have a feeling something is really going to happen on the 18th? I can't explain it but between the crop circles being decoded and everything something tells me something big is going to happen grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 9th, 2007, 3:36pm

    I've been doing some reading and I'm not sure that I completely follow the theory behind it. It's certainly subject to a number of interpretations. I think this was one of the topics that LMH touched on in the "missing" Paranormal Cafe Podcast. I would still like to hear it!

    I do feel that we're in for an unprecedented amount of UFO activity in the coming months. Perhaps we're in for another display on the par of the Phoenix lights. Wouldn't that be something?!


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Aug 9th, 2007, 3:36pm

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 1:35pm, MarkM wrote:
    As if getting droned weren't bad enough, now we're getting goosed embarassed?!


    Yup goosed LOL, and I was called a debunker.....man that still is unbelieveable to me.

    oh yes, and thank you for the instructions, I'll be posting 2 pics from Pine Bush from 1 year ago when I get home.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 9th, 2007, 3:58pm

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 3:36pm, LangLee wrote:


    Yup goosed LOL, and I was called a debunker.....man that still is unbelieveable to me.

    oh yes, and thank you for the instructions, I'll be posting 2 pics from Pine Bush from 1 year ago when I get home.


    I think she misunderstood your post completely. Don't take it too hard.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Aug 9th, 2007, 4:22pm

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 1:35pm, MarkM wrote:
    As if getting droned weren't bad enough, now we're getting goosed embarassed?!


    Hey, what's the deal here? I thought that was a Drone and now it's nothing but a damn goose.

    Can't anyone see that's a drone? Look at the sharp clear detail, the crisp outline, the writing on the side, the flapping tail.....the whole thing. It's crystal clear. Clear as a bell. LOL
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    Post by LangLee on Aug 9th, 2007, 6:56pm

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 4:22pm, urantia606 wrote:
    Hey, what's the deal here? I thought that was a Drone and now it's nothing but a damn goose.

    Can't anyone see that's a drone? Look at the sharp clear detail, the crisp outline, the writing on the side, the flapping tail.....the whole thing. It's crystal clear. Clear as a bell. LOL


    I'm trying to upload a pic of a feather with the ISAAC diagram on it.........
    I'll keep y'all posted
    LOL
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by pvtjoker75 on Aug 9th, 2007, 7:29pm

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 3:36pm, MarkM wrote:
    I've been doing some reading and I'm not sure that I completely follow the theory behind it. It's certainly subject to a number of interpretations. I think this was one of the topics that LMH touched on in the "missing" Paranormal Cafe Podcast. I would still like to hear it!

    I do feel that we're in for an unprecedented amount of UFO activity in the coming months. Perhaps we're in for another display on the par of the Phoenix lights. Wouldn't that be something?!



    from earthfiles, rehosted so the pics probably won't work here..

    Seems like this whole drone issue has died out due to lack of new info :wtc:

    The crop circle issue in England is exploding though. There was a new one a few days ago that is tied into this August 18, 2007 date also though :noes:

    From: http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1299&category=Environment


    Here's another circle that can be interpreted with the same date...


    Here's the original circle from last month and the link to the theories...
    This circle is HUGE and was created in no more than 90 minutes. There has been a huge military prescence around it and had some weird stuff associated with it physically..


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Aug 9th, 2007, 8:02pm

    THAT [drone] AVATAR.gif IS SOO COOOL!!

    Wow!!

    I want onna those!!

    : ( She-Chai
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by starsigndavid on Aug 9th, 2007, 8:28pm

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 7:29pm, pvtjoker75 wrote:
    Seems like this whole drone issue has died out due to lack of new info :wtc:


    Barring any new releases, pictures or information, I think the drone phenomenon has reached a dead end. NOT for lack of interest, certainly, but nothing new to fuel a continuing investigation. Lacking anything further, it will fade into UFO lore like so many other things have. I hope that doesn't happen.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Aug 9th, 2007, 8:41pm

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 8:28pm, starsigndavid wrote:
    Barring any new releases, pictures or information, I think the drone phenomenon has reached a dead end. NOT for lack of interest, certainly, but nothing new to fuel a continuing investigation. Lacking anything further, it will fade into UFO lore like so many other things have. I hope that doesn't happen.
    REMEMBER THIS; NOTHING HAPPENS BEFORE ITS TIME YET WHEN IT HAPPEN IT,S RIGHT ON TIME. wink
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 9th, 2007, 9:13pm

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 8:41pm, jugement wrote:
    REMEMBER THIS; NOTHING HAPPENS BEFORE ITS TIME YET WHEN IT HAPPEN IT,S RIGHT ON TIME. wink


    Very wise comment, Grasshopper! Now, snatch the stone from my hand smiley
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 9th, 2007, 9:14pm

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 8:28pm, starsigndavid wrote:
    Barring any new releases, pictures or information, I think the drone phenomenon has reached a dead end. NOT for lack of interest, certainly, but nothing new to fuel a continuing investigation. Lacking anything further, it will fade into UFO lore like so many other things have. I hope that doesn't happen.


    It dies if we let it die... we can all re-read the Isaac documents, I am sure there is tons of technology and stuff that we can analyze from there!!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 9th, 2007, 9:49pm

    You are soooooooo addicted grin grin!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by starsigndavid on Aug 10th, 2007, 01:16am

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 9:14pm, castles4me wrote:
    It dies if we let it die... we can all re-read the Isaac documents, I am sure there is tons of technology and stuff that we can analyze from there!!


    Inherent in my statement is my fear that there will be nothing else at all. I know Isaac said he would release from time to time, but if he doesn't, do we infer that it is all a hoax? To answer my own question: NO, because of the interviews--but it would leave me completely frustrated and without a "fix." Yes, yes, I admit it: I AM ADDICTED!!!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Smisser on Aug 10th, 2007, 05:21am

    First hallo @ all - I f been here for a while and im think this is very interesting. A also have post this picture from a journey to Croatia with my girlfriend in another thread. so it does not meen the Drones but it is very Interesting - i think .

    So here are my Pictures

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    And here it looks the same (Ekip) Russian Ufo Prototyp

    http://www.ekip-aviation-concern.com/

    Here a video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUB_JOzUJ-o

    I think it looks same - what do you all think about it ?sorry for my english im from Vienna.

    mfg
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by pvtjoker75 on Aug 10th, 2007, 06:27am

    anyone see this video yet from Haiti? probably CGI, but looks well done..

    8/6/2007
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5jmbSjWkw
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Lrkmeister on Aug 10th, 2007, 06:29am

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 01:16am, starsigndavid wrote:
    Inherent in my statement is my fear that there will be nothing else at all. I know Isaac said he would release from time to time, but if he doesn't, do we infer that it is all a hoax? To answer my own question: NO, because of the interviews--but it would leave me completely frustrated and without a "fix." Yes, yes, I admit it: I AM ADDICTED!!!


    The last paragraph of Isaac's site:

    "Any future releases from me will come from the email address I've used to contact Coast to Coast AM, and will be sent to them only. I'd like to make this clear as well to ensure that people can be sure that any future information comes from the same source, although I must be clear: at this time I do not have any future plans for additional information. Time will tell how long I will maintain this policy, but do not expect anything soon. I'd really like to let this information “settle” for a while and see how it goes. If I find out I'm getting an IRS audit tomorrow, then maybe this wasn't too smart. Until then, I'm going to take it slow. I hope this information has been helpful."

    Apparently, we should not hold our breath. He does leave it open-ended, though...


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Aug 10th, 2007, 07:23am

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 06:27am, pvtjoker75 wrote:
    anyone see this video yet from Haiti? probably CGI, but looks well done..

    8/6/2007
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5jmbSjWkw


    The one from Paris is cool too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDd2I8fr06Y&NR=1

    The Brooklyn...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFEw71XK38Q&mode=related&search=



    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 10th, 2007, 07:48am

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 06:27am, pvtjoker75 wrote:
    anyone see this video yet from Haiti? probably CGI, but looks well done..

    8/6/2007
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5jmbSjWkw


    This one has the same UFO in it. With CGI what it is today, we'll just never know anymore will we? This one is in the Domican Republic, which shares a border with Haiti.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mos9-LReoWQ&NR=1
    .
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by jugement on Aug 10th, 2007, 09:37am

    on Aug 9th, 2007, 9:13pm, castles4me wrote:
    Very wise comment, Grasshopper! Now, snatch the stone from my hand smiley
    how did you know I realy love that movie. yet Keep the stone not that fast. grin grin grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 10th, 2007, 09:51am

    I have very mixed emotions on this. On the one hand, yes, CGI creations have made it that much more difficult to separate the genuine images from the fake. On the other hand, isn't this exactly what we've been expecting - an increase in activity and more frequent sightings? Going hand in hand with that is all the digital cameras and cell phones around resulting in many, many more pictures. It's not like in the "old" days when if you saw a UFO the camera was miles away in your bedroom drawer, all you need to do is take your cell phone out of your pocket and click!

    Something has changed, too. Look at these newer images. They don't look like the more "classic" shiny disks (flying saucers), they look like hardware. There's an almost industrial look to them - like the drones. Is this a new visitor or have they dramatically altered the style of their vehicles?

    I'm a special effects junky. I drive my wife nuts because I pay more attention to the effects than to the rest of the movie. I'd like to think that I've got a pretty good eye. The Paris footage is obviously CGI, the movement is off and the craft has a very artificial "feel" to it. The Dominican Republic images look real, but something about the movement bothers me. The one from Haiti, however, is pretty darn convincing. I just wish that we were given more information about these alleged sightings so that they can be thoroughly put to the test.

    I definitely feel that something is afoot. As I mentioned way back in the beginning, there's a connection to the crop circles that shouldn't be underestimated. I find it interesting that circle activity in the UK exploded right after the drones appeared. Perhaps "someone" wants us to make that connection, it's a part of the overall puzzle.

    If there is anything to this reported link to August 18 / 19 maybe it's a major display of some kind. At this stage, with all of the fakes out there muddying the waters, the most convincing thing would be a dramatic air show with lots of witnesses and lots of cameras.

    Keep Seattle, Washington and Perth, Australia in mind. Two places that have been in head the past few days.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by sickmindfraud on Aug 10th, 2007, 09:58am

    Just as a note of interest

    Here are other videos of objects similar to the drone:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5jmbSjWkw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mos9-LReoWQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDd2I8fr06Y

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rznTUe4eMBw

    Some are less convincing than others.

    As far as the last one goes, it looks like this is getting to be the latest thing to do with college video artists.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 10th, 2007, 10:18am

    Could be related to: http://www.crysis-online.com but I don't have time to go through all the screen shots.

    While a good percentage may be hoaxed, we need to examine all of them. I would hate for the real ones to fall through the cracks. To label them all as "college pranks" would be foolhardy. Given the amount of time and effort involved in the work - if your motive is to pull someones leg - why bother if they don't know it's being pulled? The last I recall college kids weren't all that mature. They'll want their 15 minutes of fame.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Aug 10th, 2007, 2:15pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 2:10pm, ap555 wrote:
    www.theparanormalreport.com/The-CARET-Documents-another-Hoax.html

    If you believe in "Isaac" and care about national security, you could file a complaint against him in this website: www.ic3.gov. Its associated with the FBI's site, and they could conduct an investigation to determine if the "C.A.R.E.T" documents are true and if they were stolen from the goverment.


    That would be an interesting response... they make me so angry... grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:12pm

    There is absolutely no point in doing this. Whatever the Coverment finds out, they will just obfuscate and if it matters, they'll cover it up. And if it doesn't matter, the Feds will trumpet it.

    Your trust in the current anti-Life agendas of this former Federal Republic is truly amazing.

    Shech--




    on Aug 10th, 2007, 2:10pm, ap555 wrote:
    www.theparanormalreport.com/The-CARET-Documents-another-Hoax.html

    If you believe in "Isaac" and care about national security, you could file a complaint against him in this website: www.ic3.gov. Its associated with the FBI's site, and they could conduct an investigation to determine if the "C.A.R.E.T" documents are true and if they were stolen from the goverment.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:14pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 10:18am, MarkM wrote:
    Could be related to: http://www.crysis-online.com but I don't have time to go through all the screen shots.



    Images from the youtube video "UFO Haiti" and "Dominican Republic" (UFO)
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    (All images are filtered with Neat Image!)

    Images from the game Far Cry
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    Images from the game Crysis
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    The only resemblems is...

    It,s on a island.
    There are palmtrees.
    And some alien invasion.

    Video respons to the "Haiti UFO" funny grin grin
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUjtQm2Ty8U
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:28pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 09:51am, MarkM wrote:
    I have very mixed emotions on this. On the one hand, yes, CGI creations have made it that much more difficult to separate the genuine images from the fake.

    Something has changed, too. Look at these newer images. They don't look like the more "classic" shiny disks (flying saucers), they look like hardware. There's an almost industrial look to them - like the drones. Is this a new visitor or have they dramatically altered the style of their vehicles?


    User Image
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    You are right MarkM, they got a more "industrial" look.
    There's alot of details if you look closer grin
    More work for the CG artist, if it's a hoax.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:39pm

    Very cool, RoH!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:39pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:28pm, RoH wrote:
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    You are right MarkM, they got a more "industrial" look.
    There's alot of details if you look closer grin
    More work for the CG artist, if it's a hoax.


    on Aug 10th, 2007, 03:10am, nekitamo wrote:
    OM forum guys nailed it - it's CG:
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    Hoaxed either way?

    Palm trees look the same....................

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:46pm

    We'll need a horticulture expert to call that one. I live in Maine and the pine trees look exactly like the ones in New Hampshire (but we won't tell then that 'cause we're "The Pine Tree State"). Come to think of it, those Canadian trees look ...... smiley
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:55pm

    I think these are America-built, back-engineered saucers built at Area 51.

    They're for "softening us up" for the Return of Jesus simulation, coming at us from Operation Blue Beam.

    The REAL ETs are Light Beings that don't NEED ships.


    She-Chai
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:56pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:46pm, MarkM wrote:
    We'll need a horticulture expert to call that one. I live in Maine and the pine trees look exactly like the ones in New Hampshire (but we won't tell then that 'cause we're "The Pine Tree State"). Come to think of it, those Canadian trees look ...... smiley


    I think you misunderstood my post, look at the shapes, I mean they are EXACTLY the same trees.

    (Either way I’m just regurgitating a previous post, but they look the same to me.)
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Aug 10th, 2007, 4:06pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:28pm, RoH wrote:
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    You missed the Puerto Rican flag on the mid-right side. Nice touch for an "alien."

    User Image



    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by CentralScrutinizer on Aug 10th, 2007, 6:45pm

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 07:34am, LangLee wrote:
    What are you talking about "debunking", that's the last thing I am.
    After the things I've witnessed, gimme a break.


    I'm with ya on that statement.... I've seen things, and I believe, and people jump down my throat when I am able to bust something. (I hate the term 'debunker' it has such a negative sound, so I use something like, uh.... 'bunker buster' or 'truth finder' or something)... I mean while I believe the amount of sightings of REAL phenomena is on an upswing, I feel, well, not just feel, you can TELL that the number hoaxes, and even some cases of people who just THINK they're seeing something perpetually are way way way up too, and that gives the real field a black eye.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 10th, 2007, 7:23pm

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    Why did the creator behind this videos post it with
    different name of location, when it looks like it is the same place?
    Haiti is maby a more commen name than Dominican Republic, but it is the same island rolleyes

    The videos are some of the best I've seen, just look at the shadows,
    blocking of sunlight, the wind and the lights from the crafts thrusters...
    pretty amazing if you ask me.

    I think they got some wird UFO domsday sect there too,
    not sure so don't take my word on it.
    and they got an alleged UFO Crash in 2003.

    There was a sighting in 2005, you can read it here at ufocasebook wink
    http://www.ufocasebook.com/dominicanrepublic082905.html



    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Arkhangels on Aug 10th, 2007, 7:26pm

    Hi all...

    I'm sorry to start talking about this issue again, since some guys were discussing it some pages back (about a supposed 'mouse cursor', but I have one question:

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    Was said "let's stop talking about those details and focus in the issue as a whole", but has anyone informations about analysis of the brown object partialy hidden in the trees at the down left corner of the image?

    Regards
    Ark
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 10th, 2007, 7:50pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 7:26pm, Arkhangels wrote:
    Hi all...

    I'm sorry to start talking about this issue again, since some guys were discussing it some pages back (about a supposed 'mouse cursor', but I have one question:

    has anyone informations about analysis of the brown object partialy hidden in the trees at the down left corner of the image?

    Regards
    Ark


    Can you explain what you think the object is, becous I do not see anything more than some dirt and branches??

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    a shadow maby...
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 10th, 2007, 8:02pm

    Someone on OM made the comment that the two new vids might be from the same location. I wish we had some background on them huh.

    Does anyone know where I can actually download the Haiti clip to my computer (Mac). I don't have a video capture program and I'd like to spend some time examining it. Thanks!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 10th, 2007, 8:04pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 7:23pm, RoH wrote:
    Why did the creator behind this videos post it withdifferent name of location, when it looks like it is the same place? Haiti is maybe a more commen name than Dominican Republic, but it is the same island


    Same land but they have a border. Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the island however are two separate countries. Haiti is actually called the Republic of Haiti. In the picture below where the two countries meet at the water is probably where the picture was supposedly taken.

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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 10th, 2007, 8:16pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 8:02pm, MarkM wrote:
    Someone on OM made the comment that the two new vids might be from the same location. I wish we had some background on them huh.

    Does anyone know where I can actually download the Haiti clip to my computer (Mac). I don't have a video capture program and I'd like to spend some time examining it. Thanks!

    http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php
    You can use this site to download the youtube video, they got a plug-in for firefox there too.

    Haiti UFO
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5jmbSjWkw
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Arkhangels on Aug 10th, 2007, 8:33pm

    Hi All...

    Here Roh, some indicative:

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    Anyone here in the beginning of the Drone subject appearance entered Google Earth to try to find the exact location of the sightings or get luck and see some drone in the images?? or that was just me auhauhauha grin

    Regards
    Ark
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 10th, 2007, 8:40pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 8:33pm, Arkhangels wrote:
    Hi All...

    Anyone here in the beginning of the Drone subject appearance entered Google Earth to try to find the exact location of the sightings or get luck and see some drone in the images?? or that was just me auhauhauha grin

    Regards
    Ark


    yeah, I tried, but no luck... did you follow the power lines too... lol grin

    Do you meen that green thing?

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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Arkhangels on Aug 10th, 2007, 8:50pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 8:40pm, RoH wrote:
    yeah, I tried, but no luck... did you follow the power lines too... lol grin


    grin yeah, but without luck too... I just found the place in the Google Earth but the definition was too low to see even the difference between the trees undecided

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 8:40pm, RoH wrote:
    Do you meen that green thing?


    No, in the image you posted, the contrast is different of the one I posted, so in your image the brown object is getting mixed with the ground, but in the original image the difference is more evident, take a look plz smiley

    Edit: Oh the GREEN thing auhauhahauaa grin, I mean the object where he is on xDD

    Regards
    Ark
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Aug 10th, 2007, 9:02pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 8:50pm, Arkhangels wrote:
    grin yeah, but without luck too... I just found the place in the Google Earth but the definition was too low to see even the difference between the trees undecided

    Did you saw the brown object that I highlighted in the image in my last post?? Any idea?? Just branches, are you sure? huh

    Regards
    Ark


    Let me inform you. That area of dirt is where many old cowboy movies were filmed by Republic Studios in the 1940s. Roy Rogers and Dale Evans were regular stars in those days. I knew it the minute I saw that ridge of pine trees.

    KTTV channel 13 used to show the reruns in the 1950s when I was just a kid. They aired them on Saturday afternoon.

    Regards,

    Douglas...............
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Arkhangels on Aug 10th, 2007, 9:09pm

    Hi all!

    here is what I'm talking about:
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    But Urantia, you are talking about this piece of ground, or the entire location??

    I found the other mod image, and highlighted the brown area in it too:
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    Regards
    Ark
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 10th, 2007, 9:28pm

    This is it...

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    no more grin too tired... zzz

    It looks like some brown dirt shining in the sun.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Aug 10th, 2007, 9:32pm

    Hey Ark:

    I'm taking about the whole site. That's an old time movie backlot. That bright spot on the right side by the trees looks to me like an old reflector from the movie days. The property master probably forgot it from when they made the last movie. When they are through shooting for the day the roustabouts usually head for the nearest cantina for some ice cold cerveza. That may have been around 1953. But I'm not 100% sure of that.

    What do you think?

    Urantia
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Arkhangels on Aug 10th, 2007, 9:34pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 9:28pm, RoH wrote:
    This is it...

    no more grin too tired... zzz


    Just for record, analysing the shadows of that area we could suppose that the sun is striking the location from left to right angle, so the shadow of the left trees is laid in the ground in the dirt. But the area in which the sun is hitting directly is very different of the "brown area"...

    If it's just sun, why such a difference in the blue/yellow image??

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 9:32pm, urantia606 wrote:
    Hey Ark:

    I'm taking about the whole site. That's an old time movie backlot. That bright spot on the right side by the trees looks to me like an old reflector from the movie days. The property master probably forgot it from when they made the last movie. When they are through shooting for the day the roustabouts usually head for the nearest cantina for some ice cold cerveza. That may have been around 1953. But I'm not 100% sure of that.

    What do you think?

    Urantia


    Urantia, that's a very good point, but we could give it credit just by the fact that the shooting guys had forgot the reflector in the site... I don't know but IMO it looks such an uncommon thing... maybe there in California there's a lot of forgotten shooting equip in the middle of the forest, if it is true so it's OK, but if it's not, so is one odd coincidence... one abandonned reflector in the same place that a drone is passing by grin

    But it could be some little hut, vehicle, or some camouflaged thing, but that's just speculation

    Looks strange, for me grin
    I'm tired too, so I'm leaving...

    Regards
    Ark
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    Post by oljack666 on Aug 10th, 2007, 9:55pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 9:02pm, urantia606 wrote:
    Let me inform you. That area of dirt is where many old cowboy movies were filmed by Republic Studios in the 1940s. Roy Rogers and Dale Evans were regular stars in those days. I knew it the minute I saw that ridge of pine trees.

    KTTV channel 13 used to show the reruns in the 1950s when I was just a kid. They aired them on Saturday afternoon.
    Regards,
    Douglas...............


    Wow Urantia, You a Roy Rogers fan too? I am. Both Dale and Roy were my neighbors in Apple Valley. About 4 miles from Trigger and the museum there off hwy 395, until they moved it anyway. Did you ever get a chance to go into the museum?

    Most of their films were done at Andy Jauregui's Ranch in Newhall, not to awful far from you. A whole bunch of other ones were done at Indian Dunes near Frasier Park where MASH was filmed many times. I imagine they could have gone up to Big Basin from Los Angeles to film but they had everything they pretty much needed right in So. Cal. He filmed a lot in Texas, Kansas and Arizona too.

    I really liked those two. Sad days when they both left us.
    .
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    Post by oljack666 on Aug 10th, 2007, 10:03pm

    on Aug 8th, 2007, 7:39pm, MarkM wrote:
    Someone should get in touch with this guy and tell him not to send it to MUFON!


    Keep your fingers crossed Mark. This post of yours may have started a snowball rolling out of MUFON or at MUFON. grin
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    Post by MarkM on Aug 10th, 2007, 10:11pm

    huh? What did I miss huh smiley
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    Post by urantia606 on Aug 10th, 2007, 10:16pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 9:55pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    Wow Urantia, You a Roy Rogers fan too? I am. Both Dale and Roy were my neighbors in Apple Valley. About 4 miles from Trigger and the museum there off hwy 395, until they moved it anyway. Did you ever get a chance to go into the museum?

    I really liked those two. Sad days when they both left us.
    .


    The Roy Rogers Show ("Happy Trails") Lyrics

    Some trails are happy ones,
    Others are blue.
    It's the way you ride the trail that counts,
    Here's a happy one for you.

    Happy trails to you,
    Until we meet again.
    Happy trails to you,
    Keep smilin' until then.

    Who cares about the clouds when we're together?
    Just sing a song, and bring the sunny weather.

    Happy trails to you,
    Til we meet again.

    **************************************

    No, sad to say I never went to the RR Museum but I did see parts of it on TV many times.

    Roy Rogers.....very wholesome. Sure, I loved the old Western Movies. They don't seem to make them anymore. I guess Star Wars took over where the Westerns left off.



    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 10th, 2007, 10:18pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 10:16pm, urantia606 wrote:
    The Roy Rogers Show


    Urantia, do you remember Sky King? It wasn't Roy Rogers, just a show from the 50's that I really miss. Also, My Friend Flika?


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 10th, 2007, 10:19pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 10:11pm, MarkM wrote:
    huh? What did I miss huh smiley


    Read the last page or two of the Earthfiles email. Also, I'm talking to another one right now who is checking into the lack of research situation by the UFO Community on the drones.
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    Post by urantia606 on Aug 10th, 2007, 11:38pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 10:18pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    Urantia, do you remember Sky King? It wasn't Roy Rogers, just a show from the 50's that I really miss. Also, My Friend Flika?



    Sure ATO, I remember Sky King. Unusual show but kinda interesting. Flicka? I didn't watch that one...maybe it was more of a show for girls. Nothing wrong with that though.

    I liked the Spin and Marty episodes on the Disney mouse show. I was kinda of a teenage snob so it appealed to me on that level. Do you remember them?

    Of course old Gabby Hayes was fun. A neighbor had a TV long before we did. His grandma used to make us lemon cake with lemon frosting. ( My stepdad thought that TV was a bad influence....we finally got a TV when he wanted to watch Ed Sullivan. He was an attorney for movie star types and he often didn't like their behavour. Of course he was no saint himself. I was about 12 when I somehow got into see Marilyn Monroe in "Niagra" ....wow, that was HOT....LOL for a kid. )
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Aug 11th, 2007, 12:32am

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 11:38pm, urantia606 wrote:
    Do you remember them?



    Anybody here old enough to remember Big John and Sparky on radio Saturday mornings 8-10, followed by the Lone Ranger? My mother used to listen to listen to "The Shadow Knows" on Sunday night.

    I mean, like, Sky King was on TV already.

    :shrug:
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Aug 11th, 2007, 12:46am

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 8:02pm, MarkM wrote:
    Someone on OM made the comment that the two new vids might be from the same location. I wish we had some background on them huh.

    Does anyone know where I can actually download the Haiti clip to my computer (Mac). I don't have a video capture program and I'd like to spend some time examining it. Thanks!


    If you’re struggling with the clips Mark, let me know which format is best for you and I’ll try and sort it out.
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    Post by Gort on Aug 11th, 2007, 02:28am

    There was Tom Corbet (sp) Space Cadet

    and of course

    Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!

    http://michelesworld.net/dmm/frog/gremlin/memory.htm


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 11th, 2007, 07:45am

    Levitation Possible by Reversing Casimir Force.

    “In principle, you could use this repelling Casimir force to levitate heavier objects,
    but not with current technology. With current technology, one could only conceive of levitating very light objects.” - Thomas Philbin, Ph.D., Theoretical Physicist

    Source: http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1301&category=Science
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 11th, 2007, 07:51am

    Clayton Moore and Kirby Grant. True HEROES.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 11th, 2007, 08:35am

    OMG! I've overdroned ...... I could swear I'm starting to pick up old TV signals! wink

    Earliest I remember on the black and white are Romper Room, Lassie, Lucy, Ed Sullivan, The Outer Limits, and The Three Stooges (which I wasn't allowed to watch because they were too violent smiley).
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Aug 11th, 2007, 09:33am

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-398836828825804273&q=Amazing+Italian+Air+Force+UFO+Footage

    Here's that Italian job, I thought they might've been the same ........but no.
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    Post by LangLee on Aug 11th, 2007, 10:30am

    User Imagehttp://bayimg.com/IAfBGaAbI

    Overlooking Pine Bush NY..........note upper left
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    Post by RoH on Aug 11th, 2007, 10:36am

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 09:33am, LangLee wrote:
    Here's that Italian job, I thought they might've been the same ........but no.


    Hi LangLee, there is a much better version
    of that video clip on youtube somewhere,
    the one you posted is too dark and it looks
    like someone did it one purpose, the length
    of it is just 49 sec.

    The other one is much lighter and clearer,
    and the length is 53 sec. There is more of
    the beginning, where you see some strange
    count nr. on the screen, that never starts,
    and the camera is placed on the ground
    if I remember correctly.

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    Video link:
    UFO over a river in italy
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    Post by castles4me on Aug 11th, 2007, 10:42am

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 7:26pm, Arkhangels wrote:
    I have one question:

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    Was said "let's stop talking about those details and focus in the issue as a whole", but has anyone informations about analysis of the brown object partialy hidden in the trees at the down left corner of the image?

    Regards
    Ark


    I see what you are talking about Ark --

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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Aug 11th, 2007, 11:19am

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 08:35am, MarkM wrote:
    OMG! I've overdroned ...... I could swear I'm starting to pick up old TV signals! wink

    Earliest I remember on the black and white are Romper Room, Lassie, Lucy, Ed Sullivan, The Outer Limits, and The Three Stooges (which I wasn't allowed to watch because they were too violent smiley).


    I shudder to think how you woud have turned out if your parents had allowed you to watch The Stooges.

    I used to watch Flash Gordon.....and now you can all see what a wreck my life is.

    Urantia......
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 11th, 2007, 11:29am

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 10:30am, LangLee wrote:
    User Imagehttp://bayimg.com/IAfBGaAbI

    Overlooking Pine Bush NY..........note upper left


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    nice sphers... ?
    but no nifty drones heresad

    laughHa ha, that ad on the "bayimg" site was funny, but I'm sure it had nothing to do with the picture... lol grin
    I didn't know they had thos kind of ads there shocked sorry

    Just downsize the img, and put it on the forum page, use the "IMG code" from that site instead of the "link URL".

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    Use this function in the "Post Message" page:

    [ img ] IMG CODE [ /img ]
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Shechaiyah on Aug 11th, 2007, 11:49am

    You mean, you guys missed that ... in CHAD's pictures?

    TWO UFOs overhead at a certain given distance? And that the two UFOs REMAINED in their positions in different pictures?

    I forgot all about this. --Shech--

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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Aug 11th, 2007, 12:10pm

    on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:46pm, MarkM wrote:
    We'll need a horticulture expert to call that one. I live in Maine and the pine trees look exactly like the ones in New Hampshire (but we won't tell then that 'cause we're "The Pine Tree State"). Come to think of it, those Canadian trees look ...... smiley


    on Aug 10th, 2007, 3:56pm, DrDil wrote:
    I think you misunderstood my post, look at the shapes, I mean they are EXACTLY the same trees.


    Hi Mark, I thought I’d better qualify my comments!! I messed about with the images for a while then decided it was much easier to understand what I was saying if it was in a video.

    So, here you go………………………………

    Watch Video, “YouTube UFO’s Hoaxed?!”

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by drewlac on Aug 11th, 2007, 12:46pm

    Dr Dill, well done! I'm very impressed!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 11th, 2007, 1:16pm

    DrDil, that's a good video explanation you did, and I see you have improved your drone video, mutch better, two thumps up grin

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    On the other hand, someone on OM thinks it could have been made in the program/Application "Vue6", then it looks like the Haiti and D.Republic UFO video is a work of CG, check out the program here:
    http://www.e-onsoftware.com/products/vue/vue_6_xstream/
    and here:
    http://www.e-onsoftware.com/products/vue6/

    Some pictures from the alleged UFO videos:
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    Post by CentralScrutinizer on Aug 11th, 2007, 4:11pm

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 12:10pm, DrDil wrote:
    Hi Mark, I thought I’d better qualify my comments!! I messed about with the images for a while then decided it was much easier to understand what I was saying if it was in a video.

    So, here you go………………………………

    Watch Video, “YouTube UFO’s Hoaxed?!”


    EXCELLENT work DrDil. I was gonna do something similar on the trees, and noticed the reverse jump cut on the first UFO... but you beat me to it, and there's NO reason to now smiley
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 11th, 2007, 6:16pm

    This is from awhile ago but similar light pattern. Maybe it was the inspiration?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7THNmKRCLxo&mode=related&search=
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 11th, 2007, 6:47pm

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 12:10pm, DrDil wrote:
    Watch Video, “YouTube UFO’s Hoaxed?!”


    I clicked in there this morning and saw that big black area where you said, "Isaac didn't supply us enough rope, he just gave us enough" and then I saw the BB drone and clicked out because I didn't realize that the video was in that itsy bitsy address at the bottom of the page. Just thought you would like to know that not everyone knows to scroll all the way to the bottom for your main theme.

    Good job by the way.

    And, your Isaac didn't supply us enough rope thingy doesn't make sense. If Isaac didn't supply enough rope then how did he give us enough.

    Here's some temporary new digs for ya DrDil.

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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Aug 11th, 2007, 7:42pm

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 6:47pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    I clicked in there this morning and saw that big black area where you said, "Isaac didn't supply us enough rope, he just gave us enough" and then I saw the BB drone and clicked out because I didn't realize that the video was in that itsy bitsy address at the bottom of the page.

    Sorry, I forgot to make it “ATO Proof!!” wink
    (Not to worry, I’ve changed the, “Itsy bitsy address.”)

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 6:47pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    Good job by the way.

    Really, you’re just too good to me. grin

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 6:47pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    And, your Isaac didn't supply us enough rope thingy doesn't make sense. If Isaac didn't supply enough rope then how did he give us enough.

    Yeah I forgot to emphasize, “JUST” and didn’t want to be needlessly morbid by saying, “To hang himself”. I.e “Isaac didn’t supply enough rope to hang himself, he JUST gave us enough.”

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 6:47pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    Here's some temporary new digs for ya DrDil.

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    RE: Scoreboard - I’d like an independent adjudicator please as I think you may be using CGI. shocked

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    Oh how I love and missed exchanging these pleasantries with you.
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    Now ATO, don't go changing to try and please me!! grin
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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 11th, 2007, 7:44pm

    This has been a good example as to what will happen some day if the disclosure, a word overused to the point of nausea, ever happens. If I could speak for aliens, I would say to forget it and take a course in Computer Generated Special Effects and live in a world of Computer Generated Special Effects. Have a race to see who in learned opinion can do the best Computerized Special Effects. As I said eons ago, now every pic will bring out the CG people and so on and so on. Now for reality, the others have pushed their cover even further and can hide as never before in open daylight. They are more secure now than in the middle ages. Enjoy the ride.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 11th, 2007, 7:50pm

    Heck of a job on that video analysis DrDil! smiley
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    Post by oljack666 on Aug 11th, 2007, 7:51pm

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 7:42pm, DrDil wrote:
    Sorry, I forgot to make it “ATO Proof!!” wink
    (Not to worry, I’ve changed the, “Itsy bitsy address.”)


    Hey, you can't go giving yourself all of those points. That's no fair. You're not playing fair. I'm going to tell on you. lol

    So, is that sarcasm picture hanging on your bathroom mirror as to remind you each day what kind of demeanor you are suppose to have or what? lol grin grin grin

    ** Takes toys and goes home **

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Aug 11th, 2007, 7:59pm

    Thanks Mark (and CentralScrutinizer) for your kind comments, they are much appreciated.

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 7:54pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
    DrDil, is this your families coat of arms. lol
    We better quit or someone will think we're serious here.

    That's a disclaimer if I ever seen one!!

    (Aww ATO, you know I was just being fascheeshuss……………… kiss)
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 11th, 2007, 8:05pm

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 7:59pm, DrDil wrote:
    Thanks Mark (and CentralScrutinizer) for your kind comments, they are much appreciated.


    That's a disclaimer if I ever seen one!!

    (Aww ATO, you know I was just being fascheeshuss……………… kiss)


    Yeah, if you knew how to spell you would be an alright kinda guy. lol grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Aug 11th, 2007, 9:53pm

    Way off topic ssort of but is anyone watching " Masters of Science Fiction", it's about Aliens sending a messege thru people, I missed the first 10 minutes, to the World to stop war, lay down arms.
    Very interesting indeed, let's just say the World turned against us... U.S., not finished yet.
    On ABC TV
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 11th, 2007, 10:11pm

    Yes! Kind of hokey acting but REALLY good to see a positive message! Reinforces the need to stop and think before we respond.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by nearlymonkey on Aug 12th, 2007, 10:42am

    I knew you guys would be talking about this! I guess the drone scene has kind of dried up for now.
    I think the guy who holds the answer to this is Philippe Bouyer from North Carolina. He's the senior digital artist and top 3D cameraman at Vue Infinite. They just released their new Vue6 program, timed perfectly with the UFO sightings in Haiti/D.R.
    You can email him from his website, belino.net. I'm sure he'll be making a public comment soon. If he is responsible for the video, he's going to make a ton of money from movie clients.
    And if this was already pointed out, many apologies.
    Regards.
    Nearly monkey, slightly human.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Aug 12th, 2007, 10:52am

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 10:11pm, MarkM wrote:
    Yes! Kind of hokey acting but REALLY good to see a positive message! Reinforces the need to stop and think before we respond.


    Yes the acting was that.......but the messege was for lack of a better word "Heavy."
    The resistant Americans, the messege originating in Iraq during the war, combining verses from all Religions about war and peace, the futility of war, and how awful it is to destroy your own kind....human vs. human.
    If ever there was a starting line for Disclosure.......... I believe we saw that last night. Anyone that saw it knows what I mean, it covered everything, even not believing the truth when it's staring you right in the face, actually refusing to believe the truth is more like it.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Aug 12th, 2007, 11:28am

    [quote author=RoH link=board=drone&num=1185540957&start=764#50 date=1186846593]

    Hi LangLee, there is a much better version
    of that video clip on youtube somewhere,
    the one you posted is too dark and it looks
    like someone did it one purpose, the length
    of it is just 49 sec.

    Thank you very much, I never saw that one.........
    and I still see NO indication of a shadow of any kind left by that craft.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by MarkM on Aug 12th, 2007, 12:07pm

    I think just to keep the threads better organized that maybe we should start posting the Haiti analysis info here:

    http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&action=display&num=1186933570&start=0#1186938305

    I just added some interesting stuff there if you want to hop on over!
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by HopefulSkeptic on Aug 12th, 2007, 2:03pm

    Infiltration.

    Maybe once technology develops to the point where UFOs, and even aliens walking around in your backyard, can be so perfectly CGI'ed as to be completely, utterly indistinguishable from the real thing by using any means.....

    then maybe aliens will have a freedom they've never had before up to this point in time, to do whatever they do much more commonly and in the open.

    No one on earth who didn't see it with their own eyes is going to believe any photos or videos, regardless of how authentic they look, because it will be common knowledge what CGI technology is now capable of.

    It will certainly be an interesting and confusing time when no one knows what to believe anymore. We'll gladly look to anyone who seems to have all the answers for guidance and leadership. Imagine the power and influence that person would have, like no one else in history.

    Just a passing thought....
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 12th, 2007, 2:10pm

    on Aug 11th, 2007, 11:49am, Shechaiyah wrote:
    You mean, you guys missed that ... in CHAD's pictures?

    TWO UFOs overhead at a certain given distance? And that the two UFOs REMAINED in their positions in different pictures?

    I forgot all about this. --Shech--


    Yeah, I think you forgot it, and then you post something that is not true!
    And you can't flip the picture to make them line up... angry

    If you look here, there is none of the objects that is in the same position in the pictures!

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    There may be more or less objects in the pictures, and I may have overdrone it,
    but some of the objects is possible to see without any filters aplyed.

    The objects may be the result of the pictures been scanned.

    Edit: overdone

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 12th, 2007, 2:43pm

    on Aug 12th, 2007, 2:10pm, RoH wrote:
    Yeah, I think you forgot it, and then you post something that is not true!
    t/UnidentifiedObjectsInDronePictures.jpg[/IMG]
    The objects may be the result of the pictures been scanned.


    Maybe bugs and birds are attracted to the drone. After all, magnetic fields are their nature and they live and die by them.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Nephilim on Aug 12th, 2007, 4:30pm

    wow-

    That is nice work DD on the video link, and that is also nice work on the drone pics RoH.

    I noticed a couple of odd objects high up before but didn't realize the whole sky is nearly filled with them.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Johnbro on Aug 12th, 2007, 4:54pm

    I like Marvin's observation best. On the first page of this thread... he commented that there seems to be a Puerto Rican flag painted on the side of the Haitian UFOs. LOL!!

    grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by hjdelight on Aug 12th, 2007, 8:08pm

    There are some amazing and intelligent people on this website and many believe the Drones are real. Many believe they are CGI. But what the hell! It's one interesting ride! Just the idea that these are floating around and we can't see them, is in itself tantalizing and frightening at the same time. Even if they belong to our government, it's frightening. We may never know for sure but I'll tell you one thing, this story is better than any SciFi!

    HJ
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 13th, 2007, 05:02am

    I have a quastion smiley

    Do all of the drones "vanish into thin air"?

    If you read the first 3 drone sightings in 2007:

    Lake Tahoe - husband and wife - May 5

    Bakersfield California - Chad and his "camera friend" - May 6

    Capitola - Raj man and his fiance's dad the mechanical engineer - May 15

    They only report that the drone vanish out of sight, like behind trees, too far away etc.

    Big Basin drone
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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Xeroid on Aug 13th, 2007, 08:39am

    Ok some of you (those who may recall me chasing EXIF data) are going to find this hard to believe or just plain funny. I have two computers at home, an old and new one. The new one was being repaired and I was using the old one when I first started collecting stuff on these drones. I noticed I had a zip file called Rajman1977.zip so I had a look at the pictures and there was EXIF data! It's for a Minolta Dimage X and is very limited but the picture order and time taken seem to fit together.

    I have seen these images many times but not Exif data and as I write this I do recall grabbing them very early on in the proceedings, maybe even from Rajman1977 Flickr account before it closed.

    I urge anyone else who has downloaded images very early on the have a look for EXIF data.

    To see the EXIF data just download the image and click properties the advance and you should see some details. I noticed if you hover your mouse in XP over the images files it does provide shooting date and time.

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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 13th, 2007, 09:12am

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 05:02am, RoH wrote:
    I have a quastion smiley

    Do all of the drones "vanish into thin air"?

    If you read the first 3 drone sightings in 2007:

    Lake Tahoe - husband and wife - May 5

    Bakersfield California - Chad and his "camera friend" - May 6

    Capitola - Raj man and his fiance's dad the mechanical engineer - May 15

    They only report that the drone vanish out of sight, like behind trees, too far away etc.


    It's true that only the BB drone was seen vanishing. It was noted by both Steven and Ty. I think they both saw and photographed it simultaneously from different vantage points. The other drones were not seen vanishing but my guess is they also have the capability, only that it was not witnessed.

    The big question is about why they were visible. Isaac seems to think we are messing with other alien technology which is jamming the cloak. Going by the number of reports it would indicate the decloaking was done on a intermittent but frequent basis going back years. But then maybe they decloak by themselves for some unknown reason.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LEVIATHAN66 on Aug 13th, 2007, 09:17am

    I don't care who produced this craft/drone, CG, BQ, DQ, IRS, IRA, MOP, the Drones are beautiful in design and concept. They are elegant compared to the Haiti stuff. I wish I had had the imagination to design these wonderful Drones. For me they produced a summer of fun and imagination and their form is as beautiful as great architecture. I send to the creator my thanks and admiration and I don't care if it is an alien or the monkey down the street. These designs retained their particular beauty through out the CG in Inquisition and came out just as impressive as they started. Good job Drones and Drone Maker from Leviathan 66, Thanks.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 13th, 2007, 09:18am

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 08:39am, Xeroid wrote:
    Ok some of you (those who may recall me chasing EXIF data) are going to find this hard to believe or just plain funny. I have two computers at home, an old and new one. The new one was being repaired and I was using the old one when I first started collecting stuff on these drones. I noticed I had a zip file called Rajman1977.zip so I had a look at the pictures and there was EXIF data! It's for a Minolta Dimage X and is very limited but the picture order and time taken seem to fit together.

    I have seen these images many times but not Exif data and as I write this I do recall grabbing them very early on in the proceedings, maybe even from Rajman1977 Flickr account before it closed.


    This is old news. The zip file was made by spf33 of OMF. He upgraded Raj's flickr account so that Raj could upload the max res versions. Spf33 then zipped up all the hi res shots. Within hours the account was hacked and the images replaced with porn. Spf33 lost his $25 upgrade fee. Those sure were some fun times with Raj registering at OMF and visiting twice.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 13th, 2007, 11:03am

    This tread has now 25443 views!!! grin
    More then the first drone tread...
    or is it true that many of the views
    dissapeard from the earlier treads?

    anyways, it looks like there is more
    interest in the drone story now then
    ever.

    But I can't understand it, becouse the
    good stuff is in the first treads? shocked

    So keep posting grin
    Maby it's time to go thru the old stuff again...??
    There most be something that we have missed...
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 13th, 2007, 11:28am

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 08:39am, Xeroid wrote:
    Ok some of you (those who may recall me chasing EXIF data) are going to find this hard to believe or just plain funny. I have two computers at home, an old and new one. The new one was being repaired and I was using the old one when I first started collecting stuff on these drones. I noticed I had a zip file called Rajman1977.zip so I had a look at the pictures and there was EXIF data! It's for a Minolta Dimage X and is very limited but the picture order and time taken seem to fit together.

    I have seen these images many times but not Exif data and as I write this I do recall grabbing them very early on in the proceedings, maybe even from Rajman1977 Flickr account before it closed.

    I urge anyone else who has downloaded images very early on the have a look for EXIF data.

    To see the EXIF data just download the image and click properties the advance and you should see some details. I noticed if you hover your mouse in XP over the images files it does provide shooting date and time.


    If there is something too the EXIF data from the pictures that you find unusual, pleas post it Xeroid grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by oljack666 on Aug 13th, 2007, 11:54am

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 11:03am, RoH wrote:
    This tread has now 25443 views!!! grin
    More then the first drone tread... or is it true that many of the views dissapeard from the earlier treads?


    Yes RoH, the views on all of the threads when they were in the General UFO section kept defaulted back to zero time and time again.

    Today the Isaac #1 thread shows 9937 views. The picture below shows you that the Isaac #1 thread on June 29th (only 3 days after this all started) had 20,000 views. This was one day after it defaulted to zero after reaching 13,000, so actually on June 29th (3 days total) it had 33,000 views. On July 4th, 8 days from the beginning, Isaac #1 defaulted back to zero again after 40,000 views. It was an ongoing problem but only affected the view count and never the post count.

    I kept track the best I could by placing the actual number of views on certain posts of mine in the thread at the bottom (if you ever wonder what those little notations were) in order to keep track manually. The Isaac #1 thread today has over 250,000 views. All threads combined in the drone section have well over 800,000 views. Over 600,000 of the 800,000 views took place between June 26th to July 24th.

    It was actually pretty funny because on many days, the post count was higher then the view count, which is impossible. I had assumed that everyone saw that and figured that you all knew that something was wrong with the view count.

    As you can see at the following address, there wasn't really much that Conforums could do about the views. We had more serious problems too at the same time. The activity was too great, which was causing the problem.
    http://support.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=help3&action=display&num=1182983648

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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Xeroid on Aug 13th, 2007, 12:46pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 09:18am, Latitude wrote:
    This is old news. The zip file was made by spf33 of OMF. He upgraded Raj's flickr account so that Raj could upload the max res versions. Spf33 then zipped up all the hi res shots. Within hours the account was hacked and the images replaced with porn. Spf33 lost his $25 upgrade fee. Those sure were some fun times with Raj registering at OMF and visiting twice.


    Maybe I worded my post in such a way as to make the zip file and the images my point....it was not. I have looked everywhere for EXIF data in the last few weeks with none in any photo, even the Raj examples in casebook have zero EXIF at this link, where as the older example do.

    http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Aug 13th, 2007, 12:51pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 09:12am, Latitude wrote:
    It's true that only the BB drone was seen vanishing. It was noted by both Steven and Ty. I think they both saw and photographed it simultaneously from different vantage points. The other drones were not seen vanishing but my guess is they also have the capability, only that it was not witnessed.

    The big question is about why they were visible. Isaac seems to think we are messing with other alien technology which is jamming the cloak. Going by the number of reports it would indicate the decloaking was done on a intermittent but frequent basis going back years. But then maybe they decloak by themselves for some unknown reason.




    Isaac says on his site:

    "The technology itself isn't ours, or at least it wasn't in the 80's. Much like the technology in these crafts themselves, the device capable of remotely hijacking a vehicle's clacking comes from a non-human source too. Why we were given this technology has never been clear to me, but it's responsible for a lot. Our having access to this kind of device, along with our occasionally haphazard experimentation on them, has lead to everything from cloaking malfunctions like this to full-blown crashes. I can assure you that most (and in my opinion all) incidents of UFO crashes or that kind of thing had more to do with our meddling with extremely powerful technology at an inopportune time than it did mechanical failure on their part. Trust me, those things don't fail unless something even more powerful than them makes them fail (intentionally or not). Think of it like a stray bullet. You can be hit by one at any time, without warning, and even the shooter didn't intent to hit you. I can assure you heads are rolling over this as well. If anyone notices a brilliant but sloppy physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad in the next couple weeks, I'd be willing to guess how he got there. (I kid, of course, as I certainly hope that hasn't actually happened in this case)"

    In trying to understand what Isaac is saying, it is not ours, but "we" are controlling (flying) them?

    We messed up and the drone became visible (I can assure you heads are rolling over this as well. If anyone notices a brilliant but sloppy physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad in the next couple weeks), well this sounds like we are flying these doesn’t it?

    Isaac says:

    “It's no surprise that these sightings are all taking place in California, and especially the Saratoga/South Bay area. Not far from Saratoga is Mountain View/Sunnyvale, home to Moffett Field and the NASA Ames Research center. Again, I'd be willing to bet just about anything that the device capable of hijacking the cloaking of these nearby craft was inadvertently triggered, probably during some kind of experiment, at the exact moment they were being seen.”

    Again, isn’t Isaac saying we are flying these drones, in order for it to be “some kind of experiment?” I do not think Isaac means the aliens are experimenting with the drones. But then again, Isaac at times can be as clear as mud.

    Isaac is a "difficult" read. One really has to almost read between the lines to get any real understanding. But it seems to me, this is captured alien technology being flown by "us", not "them." I just can not see an alien physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad, not without turning a few human heads. shocked

    Besides, who is going to make him do it? rolleyes
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Xeroid on Aug 13th, 2007, 1:31pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 11:28am, RoH wrote:
    If there is something too the EXIF data from the pictures that you find unusual, pleas post it Xeroid grin


    At this stage its pretty lean data and does not strenghten the case at all really:

    File size: 180301 bytes
    File date: 2007:08:13 07:20:28
    Camera make: MINOLTA CO.,LTD
    Camera model: DiMAGE X
    Date/Time: 2007:05:16 17:42:58
    Resolution: 800 x 600
    Flash used: No
    ISO equiv.: 100
    Metering Mode: matrix
    Exposure: program (auto)

    That said, the file names PICT0013.jpeg to PICT0018.jpeg commenced shooting at 5.41pm and finished at 5.44pm on the 16th of May 2007. Hardly compelling but does add up ok. The critical info of aperture/shutter speed and focal length are all missing. I went here and found a sample image from the Minolta Dimage X and it did contain aperture, shutter speed and exposure compensation.

    As it stands

    PICT0013 taken at 5:41 and 11 seconds
    PICT0014 taken at 5:41 and 34 seconds
    PICT0015 taken at 5.42 and 17 seconds
    PICT0016 taken at 5:42 and 58 seconds
    PICT0017 taken at 5:43 and 02 seconds
    PICT0018 taken at 5:44 and 37 seconds

    Once again if hoaxed they covered off the basics by removing key details and making sure the timing of the snaps still stacks up.



    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Aug 13th, 2007, 1:45pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 1:31pm, Xeroid wrote:
    At this stage its pretty lean data and does not strenghten the case at all really:

    File size: 180301 bytes
    File date: 2007:08:13 07:20:28
    Camera make: MINOLTA CO.,LTD
    Camera model: DiMAGE X
    Date/Time: 2007:05:16 17:42:58
    Resolution: 800 x 600
    Flash used: No
    ISO equiv.: 100
    Metering Mode: matrix
    Exposure: program (auto)

    That said, the file names PICT0013.jpeg to PICT0018.jpeg commenced shooting at 5.41pm and finished at 5.44pm on the 16th of May 2007. Hardly compelling but does add up ok. The critical info of aperture/shutter speed and focal length are all missing. I went here and found a sample image from the Minolta Dimage X and it did contain aperture, shutter speed and exposure compensation.

    As it stands

    PICT0013 taken at 5:41 and 11 seconds
    PICT0014 taken at 5:41 and 34 seconds
    PICT0015 taken at 5.42 and 17 seconds
    PICT0016 taken at 5:42 and 58 seconds
    PICT0017 taken at 5:43 and 02 seconds
    PICT0018 taken at 5:44 and 37 seconds

    Once again if hoaxed they covered off the basics by removing key details and making sure the timing of the snaps still stacks up.






    Xeroid, two questions.

    1. Is it possible to take a photo, edit the photo (add something to it) and to leave the EXIF data intact and unchanged?

    2. To add EXIF data to a Jpeg that did not have it?
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by LangLee on Aug 13th, 2007, 1:45pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 08:39am, Xeroid wrote:
    Ok some of you (those who may recall me chasing EXIF data) are going to find this hard to believe or just plain funny. I have two computers at home, an old and new one. The new one was being repaired and I was using the old one when I first started collecting stuff on these drones. I noticed I had a zip file called Rajman1977.zip so I had a look at the pictures and there was EXIF data! It's for a Minolta Dimage X and is very limited but the picture order and time taken seem to fit together.

    I have seen these images many times but not Exif data and as I write this I do recall grabbing them very early on in the proceedings, maybe even from Rajman1977 Flickr account before it closed.

    I urge anyone else who has downloaded images very early on the have a look for EXIF data.

    To see the EXIF data just download the image and click properties the advance and you should see some details. I noticed if you hover your mouse in XP over the images files it does provide shooting date and time.

    User Image

    User Image

    User Image

    User Image

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    I will when I get home.
    I'm glad you put up that series of photos, they are by far the best of the Drone Series. Since there is never any talk about them I guess it's a given that it's real. Big Basin has got nothing on those, but we really need to know where they were taken, what street, town, ect. They deem more research into their origin.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 13th, 2007, 1:53pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 1:31pm, Xeroid wrote:
    At this stage its pretty lean data and does not strenghten the case at all really:

    File size: 180301 bytes
    File date: 2007:08:13 07:20:28
    Camera make: MINOLTA CO.,LTD
    Camera model: DiMAGE X
    Date/Time: 2007:05:16 17:42:58
    Resolution: 800 x 600
    Flash used: No
    ISO equiv.: 100
    Metering Mode: matrix
    Exposure: program (auto)

    That said, the file names PICT0013.jpeg to PICT0018.jpeg commenced shooting at 5.41pm and finished at 5.44pm on the 16th of May 2007. Hardly compelling but does add up ok. The critical info of aperture/shutter speed and focal length are all missing. I went here and found a sample image from the Minolta Dimage X and it did contain aperture, shutter speed and exposure compensation.

    As it stands

    PICT0013 taken at 5:41 and 11 seconds
    PICT0014 taken at 5:41 and 34 seconds
    PICT0015 taken at 5.42 and 17 seconds
    PICT0016 taken at 5:42 and 58 seconds
    PICT0017 taken at 5:43 and 02 seconds
    PICT0018 taken at 5:44 and 37 seconds

    Once again if hoaxed they covered off the basics by removing key details and making sure the timing of the snaps still stacks up.


    Ok, so he took all the pictures in 3,26 min, not bad, does it fit with the story? Rajmen said he had to struggle to get the pictures...

    I was thinking, is it possible to take all the pictures in that time frame? 34.3 sec. per picture!

    And the pictures you posted from Rajmen, Xeroid! is that the correct order?

    Edit: corrected the times!


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:03pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 12:51pm, Marvin wrote:
    Isaac says on his site:

    "The technology itself isn't ours, or at least it wasn't in the 80's. Much like the technology in these crafts themselves, the device capable of remotely hijacking a vehicle's clacking comes from a non-human source too. Why we were given this technology has never been clear to me, but it's responsible for a lot. Our having access to this kind of device, along with our occasionally haphazard experimentation on them, has lead to everything from cloaking malfunctions like this to full-blown crashes. I can assure you that most (and in my opinion all) incidents of UFO crashes or that kind of thing had more to do with our meddling with extremely powerful technology at an inopportune time than it did mechanical failure on their part. Trust me, those things don't fail unless something even more powerful than them makes them fail (intentionally or not). Think of it like a stray bullet. You can be hit by one at any time, without warning, and even the shooter didn't intent to hit you. I can assure you heads are rolling over this as well. If anyone notices a brilliant but sloppy physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad in the next couple weeks, I'd be willing to guess how he got there. (I kid, of course, as I certainly hope that hasn't actually happened in this case)"

    In trying to understand what Isaac is saying, it is not ours, but "we" are controlling them?

    We messed up and the drone became visible (I can assure you heads are rolling over this as well. If anyone notices a brilliant but sloppy physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad in the next couple weeks), well this sounds like we are flying these doesn’t it?

    Isaac says:

    “It's no surprise that these sightings are all taking place in California, and especially the Saratoga/South Bay area. Not far from Saratoga is Mountain View/Sunnyvale, home to Moffett Field and the NASA Ames Research center. Again, I'd be willing to bet just about anything that the device capable of hijacking the cloaking of these nearby craft was inadvertently triggered, probably during some kind of experiment, at the exact moment they were being seen.”

    Again, isn’t Isaac saying we are flying these drones, in order for it to be “some kind of experiment?” I do not think Isaac means the aliens are experimenting with the drones. But then again, Isaac at times can be as clear as mud.

    Isaac is a "difficult" read. One really has to almost read between the lines to get any real understanding. But it seems to me, this is captured alien technology being flown by "us", not "them." I just can not see an alien physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad, not without turning a few human heads. shocked

    Besides, who is going to make him do it? rolleyes


    No worry Marvin. I'll be glad to help you out.

    Isaac is not saying we are flying the drones. He's saying that we likely have a jamming device located in the area of the drone sighting that was either given to us by ETs or was made by us using ET technology. The physicist who would be seen patrolling the streets of Bagdad would be the guy who accidentally switched the jamming device on allowing many UFOs to be seen that day. Isaac was half joking by saying the guy would be sent to Baghdad as a punishment for his screw up.

    Remember the decloaking was only on for a few minutes and was switched on and off and on again. It's not hard to imagine some government scientists activating this device and not fully aware of the consequences. They are damn lucky they didn't cause a crash, especially Ty and his gang. They likely would be in Guantanamo now.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:06pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 1:53pm, RoH wrote:
    Ok, so he took all the pictures in 37 seconds, not bad, does it fit with the story? Raj man said he had to struggle to get the pictures...

    I was thinking, is it possible to take all the pictures in that time frame? 6.16 seconds per picture!

    And the pictures you posted from Raj man, Xeroid! is that the correct order?



    Roh, check your math. Looks to me that the pics were taken over a space of 3 minutes and 26 seconds.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:09pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:06pm, Latitude wrote:
    Roh, check your math. Looks to me that the pics were taken over a space of 3 minutes and 26 seconds.


    Yeah, I saw it, and have corrected it, to fast on the trigger there, sorry grin

    2-0 to Latitude
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by want2bleive on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:34pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:03pm, Latitude wrote:
    No worry Marvin. I'll be glad to help you out.

    Isaac is not saying we are flying the drones. He's saying that we likely have a jamming device located in the area of the drone sighting that was either given to us by ETs or was made by us using ET technology. The physicist who would be seen patrolling the streets of Bagdad would be the guy who accidentally switched the jamming device on allowing many UFOs to be seen that day. Isaac was half joking by saying the guy would be sent to Baghdad as a punishment for his screw up.

    Remember the decloaking was only on for a few minutes and was switched on and off and on again. It's not hard to imagine some government scientists activating this device and not fully aware of the consequences. They are xxxx lucky they didn't cause a crash, especially Ty and his gang. They likely would be in Guantanamo now.


    Could this be the same jamming device that the govt is going to start testing in Iraq.... Read the Cnn Article....


    http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/08/13/cied.jamming.tech/index.html

    maybe they tested it in the area where the drone where sited before taking the tech over to Iraq... just another thing to ponder on....

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by drewlac on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:47pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:34pm, want2bleive wrote:
    Could this be the same jamming device that the govt is going to start testing in Iraq....


    I guess we'll find out if there is a flap of drone sightings across Bagdad. grin
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 13th, 2007, 3:06pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:47pm, drewlac wrote:
    I guess we'll find out if there is a flap of drone sightings across Bagdad. grin


    Even more ironic would be using the jammer to stop an IED from going off and have a drone fall out of the sky and drop on you. shocked
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by DrDil on Aug 13th, 2007, 3:21pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 09:18am, Latitude wrote:
    Spf33 then zipped up all the hi res shots. Within hours the account was hacked and the images replaced with porn. Spf33 lost his $25 upgrade fee. Those sure were some fun times with Raj registering at OMF and visiting twice.

    grin grin laugh laugh grin grin wink

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Aug 13th, 2007, 3:41pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:03pm, Latitude wrote:
    No worry Marvin. I'll be glad to help you out.

    Isaac is not saying we are flying the drones. He's saying that we likely have a jamming device located in the area of the drone sighting that was either given to us by ETs or was made by us using ET technology. The physicist who would be seen patrolling the streets of Bagdad would be the guy who accidentally switched the jamming device on allowing many UFOs to be seen that day. Isaac was half joking by saying the guy would be sent to Baghdad as a punishment for his screw up.

    Remember the decloaking was only on for a few minutes and was switched on and off and on again. It's not hard to imagine some government scientists activating this device and not fully aware of the consequences. They are xxxx lucky they didn't cause a crash, especially Ty and his gang. They likely would be in Guantanamo now.


    Thanks Latitude...

    Let me get this in my head: the drone is alien controlled, it is invisible, but the government has a way to track it and knew it was there. Some numbskull physicist flips a switch and the drone, uncloaks. There were more people aware of this or watching this, than just the people taking the pictures.

    That's freighting to think someone is watching us in out of the way places like that and not just aliens. shocked
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Nodnunk on Aug 13th, 2007, 5:59pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 09:12am, Latitude wrote:
    It's true that only the BB drone was seen vanishing. It was noted by both Steven and Ty. I think they both saw and photographed it simultaneously from different vantage points.


    Not simultaneously. There is at least one difference between the two sightings of the BB drone. In the Stephen photos the small dual rings appear to have a small central hole (IMHO). While in the Ty photos, the small dual rings have a larger central hole.

    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 13th, 2007, 7:10pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 5:59pm, Nodnunk wrote:
    Not simultaneously. There is at least one difference between the two sightings of the BB drone. In the Stephen photos the small dual rings appear to have a small central hole (IMHO). While in the Ty photos, the small dual rings have a larger central hole.


    Please illustrate it. I don't see how it's possible to tell. The Steven photos have the dual rings toward the back side. More likely they are of the same craft. Think about it. Two guys photograph an odd object like this on the same day in the same park and you think they are two different objects?

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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Marvin on Aug 13th, 2007, 7:46pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 5:59pm, Nodnunk wrote:
    Not simultaneously. There is at least one difference between the two sightings of the BB drone. In the Stephen photos the small dual rings appear to have a small central hole (IMHO). While in the Ty photos, the small dual rings have a larger central hole.


    I think we are looking at the same hardware, it’s the number of elevated sections around the ring that block the view, that makes the Stephen's photo ring (inner diameter) appear smaller.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Latitude on Aug 13th, 2007, 7:53pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 7:46pm, Marvin wrote:
    I think we are looking at the same hardware, it’s the number of elevated sections around the ring that block the view, that makes the Stephen's photo ring (inner diameter) appear smaller.


    I think there is a good chance that Ty and the gang are in the Steven photos but blocked by trees. What would the situation be if Steven's photo had a shot of Ty's gang in it? Too bad there is so many trees and foliage or that may have been the case.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by urantia606 on Aug 13th, 2007, 8:15pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 7:46pm, Marvin wrote:
    I think we are looking at the same hardware, it?s the number of elevated sections around the ring that block the view, that makes the Stephen's photo ring (inner diameter) appear smaller.


    Marvin: The material below is from a 1954 book that I have. I believe she is describing the Ty craft we see in the BB photos.

    Of course there are some that disagree. So I leave it at that. You and all others can come to your own conclusions.

    An Extraterrestrial Statement...pages 9-93 (by the space alien)

    Chapter Four

    The "Saucers" Page 38

    (4). "A doughnut-shaped craft, about 125 feet outside diameter by about 36 feet thick, with a hole about 25 feet in diameter in the center. They are used only when complicated scientific observation of some nature is required. Due to the large amount of test equipment which they carry they have become known as "flying laboratories". They use an "electro-magnetic drive" and are not likely to be seen by your people except on comparatively rare occasions.

    Page 40 (the power source is described by the space alien)

    The "electro-magnetic" drive obtains its power by cutting the natural lines of force to a planet. The action is much the same as that of your electrical generators. The craft are oriented on the magnetic meridians in such a manner that a small electron beam will drive them. They can cross the meridians or travel at an angle to them in a manner similar to that used by your sailboats when "tacking into the wind". This form of drive can obviously only be used over some planetary body, but this body does not necessarily have to be on your vibrational level.

    Page 41

    Both the diversion field and the "electro-magnetic" form of drive create an ionization of the air above and around them...........In some of these cases the actual craft may have been operating slightly above the visual range of the Adamic (earth) peoples, and only the corona discharge could be seen by them"

    This information is in the book "The White Sands Incident" by Dr. Daniel Fry... First printing 1954.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by want2bleive on Aug 13th, 2007, 8:28pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 3:41pm, Marvin wrote:
    Thanks Latitude...

    Let me get this in my head: the drone is alien controlled, it is invisible, but the government has a way to track it and knew it was there. Some numbskull physicist flips a switch and the drone, uncloaks. There were more people aware of this or watching this, than just the people taking the pictures.

    That's freighting to think someone is watching us in out of the way places like that and not just aliens. shocked


    The thing that creeps me out is if they can bend light around a big ship and make it appear to be invisible. Then it's not much to bend it around the alien itself. So one could be in any free space around you observing you and you would never know it...... now that's creepy. further more if they could bend light then you would have to believe that they can also bend space which would give them the ability to walk through walls and solid object, just bend it alittle and slip through the open demision.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by want2bleive on Aug 13th, 2007, 8:48pm

    OK, here's another thought to ponder...

    What if...

    the drones are not ship as we know it to ride inside.They are more like transports(space time mechines) that zap you from one space and or time to another and these things may not be alien but furturistic people coming back just to see what fresh air smells like and paying premium to do so. The rules are simple, don't be seen, not interactions or you may not have a world to come back too because of the paridime time shift.

    hopefully we will get some rouge time travalers that want to make a statement.

    something big is suppose to happen on the 18th or 19th this month. we'll see, keep your camera's at the ready....and keep a steady hand....

    just a thought to ponder.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by want2bleive on Aug 13th, 2007, 8:53pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 8:28pm, want2bleive wrote:
    The thing that creeps me out is if they can bend light around a big ship and make it appear to be invisible. Then it's not much to bend it around the alien itself. So one could be in any free space around you observing you and you would never know it...... now that's creepy. further more if they could bend light then you would have to believe that they can also bend space which would give them the ability to walk through walls and solid object, just bend it alittle and slip through the open demision.


    you would only have to slip away to the next room away from the subject and and bend enough space to slip out.

    also you will need the remote control for the drone/BB.

    and I think this remote is the subject that was re-dacted /marked out in Isaac's report.


    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by danblast on Aug 13th, 2007, 9:51pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 8:28pm, want2bleive wrote:
    The thing that creeps me out is if they can bend light around a big ship and make it appear to be invisible. Then it's not much to bend it around the alien itself. So one could be in any free space around you observing you and you would never know it...... now that's creepy. further more if they could bend light then you would have to believe that they can also bend space which would give them the ability to walk through walls and solid object, just bend it alittle and slip through the open demision.


    Not if we wear our special sunglasses.

    They live.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 13th, 2007, 10:32pm

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 9:51pm, danblast wrote:
    Not if we wear our special sunglasses.



    now that's what I'M talkin' about!
    cool cool cool cool
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by castles4me on Aug 13th, 2007, 10:44pm

    I know that RoH dismissed this idea on this object that Arkangel pointed out....

    It could be some type of mound... Indian mound or dirt hill, it's just weird that it is a UFO shaped dirt hill....

    from the BB photo -- the one with the "mouse cursor" in it:
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    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by RoH on Aug 14th, 2007, 06:10am

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 1:53pm, RoH wrote:
    Ok, so he took all the pictures in 3,26 min, not bad, does it fit with the story? Rajmen said he had to struggle to get the pictures...

    I was thinking, is it possible to take all the pictures in that time frame? 34.3 sec. per picture!

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    Image Capacity vs Resolution/Quality

    Full Resolution: 1600x1200

    Super Fine: 5.7 MB
    Fine: 1.3 MB
    Normal: 0,615 MB
    Economy: 0,320 MB

    From the EXIF data that Xeroid posted:

    Name: PICT0016

    File size: 180301 bytes
    File date: 2007:08:13 07:20:28
    Camera make: MINOLTA CO.,LTD
    Camera model: DiMAGE X
    Date/Time: 2007:05:16 17:42:58
    Resolution: 800 x 600
    Flash used: No
    ISO equiv.: 100
    Metering Mode: matrix
    Exposure: program (auto)


    * Too low File size 0,18 MB??
    * Too low Resolution?? I thought it was 1600 x 1200!!! confused...

    Timeline:

    PICT0013 5:41:11
    PICT0014 5:41:34
    PICT0015 5.42:17
    PICT0016 5:42:58
    PICT0017 5:43:02
    PICT0018 5:44:37


    Total time: 3,26 min
    Shortes time between pictures: 4 sec.

    If this is true, he took all the pictures we have seen, in a row!!! shocked
    Xeroid, are this the orignal picture code (Picture COUNTER) from that camera? PICT0013
    Rejmen1977 said that the memory card was almost full, about 12 pictures left!!! confused...


    The story of Rajinder Satyanarayana and the 12 pictures:

    Quote:
    "this whole experience was over in a matter of minutes"
    Quote:
    "but I tried to make each shot count"


    The story:

    Quote:
    We were eating dinner on the back porch when we noticed this "object" sort of hovering in the sky.
    The camera was still out from earlier so I grabbed it and tried to get some clear shots of it


    Pictures: Unknown (maybe 1-2)
    Time: Unknown (around 5:40:00)


    Quote:
    It took off over the roof shortly after, so I ran into the street in front of the house to follow,
    trying to get more shots without wobbling around too much (which was harder than it sounds).


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    Pictures: 2-3, (2 uploaded)
    Time: 5:41:11-5:41:34


    Quote:
    It then came in lower over a telephone pole , where I was able to get a few more pictures,
    before it finally took off into the distance pretty fast.


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    Pictures: 3, (3 uploaded)
    Time: 5:42:17-5:42:58-5:43:02 (4 seconds between the last two, indicating the speed of the drone)


    Quote:
    I thought it was gone but noticed it was still visible, so I grabbed a few more pictures.


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    Pictures: 3-4, (1 uploaded)
    Time: 5:44:37


    Quote:
    At one point a car stopped to look as well. No one had any idea what this thing was but everyone
    in the car was visibly freaked out by it. Once it was gone they told me to call the news and
    drove off. smiley I'm not sure who else saw it in the neighborhood since I don't live down there,
    but I'm sure at least a few others must have noticed it.

    It was way too weird and way too close to go unnoticed. Once it was gone and I caught my breath
    I could barely stop my hands from shaking for the next hour or so.


    Rajmen1977 posts from the OM forum.

    Quote:
    9) The 6 photos I posted are the only ones that have the object in them. We had been taking
    photos all evening and my fiance's parents are KNOWN for never clearing their memory cards
    and then running out of room at the worst time. This has already happened on two separate
    vacations in the couple years I have known them. So when I reached for the camera, I was
    thinking to myself "Here is some crazy thing in the sky, and I bet that I won't even be able
    to take a picture beacuse they haven't downloaded their photos to the computer!!!" Luckily it
    turns out that I still had room for about 12 more shots,
    but I tried to make each shot count.

    It was nerve wracking enough chasing this thing around, but it's even worse when you are worried
    that your future in-laws have already filled up the camera!
    I could have taken a few more than I did, but I didn't expect it to fly away so abruptly. Also,
    I took a few more like the last photo, where it is off in the distance, but in the last two shots
    it is already gone.


    Quote:
    10) I have been asked by a few people why I did not take video. Of course, I didn't have a lot
    of time to think about what was happening. They have an old Minolta (they got it like 7 years ago)
    and I'd never even used it before that evening. I never checked to see if it could do video but
    even if it does, I didn't know how to do it at the time. I do video with my digital camera
    (a Cannon) all the time, but I didn't have that with me. Plus knowing them, there was probably
    only room for half a second of video. And remember, this whole experience was over in a matter
    of minutes. I think some people overestimate how clearly I was thinking!


    Say Rajmen had 6 min (5:40:00-5:46:00) too take all 12 pictures... he got 30 seconds on each more or less,
    and remember he was trying to make each shot count.

    He did a good job! grin

    But the EXIF data Xeroid posted are confusing, it don't ad up undecided Xeroid, is this EXIF data from the original pictures?
    The resolution is wrong. someone must have down-sized the original pictures then.

    And the count numbers on the pictures don't ad up with the story.
    Re: #4 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE T
    Post by Nodnunk on Aug 14th, 2007, 07:32am

    on Aug 13th, 2007, 7:10pm, Latitude wrote:
    Please illustrate it. I don't see how it's possible to tell. The Steven photos have the dual rings toward the back side. More likely they are of the same craft. Think about it. Two guys photograph an odd object like this on the same day in the same park and you think they are two different objects?

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    I didn't say they were different objects, just that the sightings were not simultaneous. And that assertion was based on the apparent difference in the small dual rings. I agree it is hard to tell conclusively, none of the Ty ph