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« Reply #555 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 1:42pm »

this thread is really cluttering the 'recent posts' area. Personally I'd have it locked. Quit feeding the trolls by drawing attention to this annoying joke
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« Reply #556 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 1:52pm »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 1:42pm, Zareste wrote:
this thread is really cluttering the 'recent posts' area. Personally I'd have it locked. Quit feeding the trolls by drawing attention to this annoying joke


hungry guys??

Let's see, there's ATO, MarkM, Me and DrDil lol
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(sorry, just trolling for a laugh here)

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« Reply #557 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 3:12pm »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 12:54pm, Gort wrote:
Instead of mouthing off on the Internet why don't you contact your local Mufon field investigator and present to him whatever evidence you have.



Why bother, MUFON's mind is made up: It is conclusively all LMH 'BS'
End of story.
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« Reply #558 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 3:45pm »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 12:52pm, Marvin wrote:
...one can not say this is a hoax because it should have been raining...

Actually, radar and infrared images provided here are inconclusive.
We need visible light images, preferably with at least this much resolution (current time only):

http://www.wunderground.com/satellite/vis/1k/US/CA/Capitola.html

This map is great, you can switch between visible/infrared light with or without radar overlay.
Try it and see for yourself what I'm talking about - only visible light counts.
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« Reply #559 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 4:01pm »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 10:31am, castles4me wrote:
Ok very interesting stuff.

Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory (LIGO) was the project that began 1984-1987 by Kip Thorne,
The Feynman Professor of Theoretical Physics, California Institute of Technology

from their website http://www.cgu.edu/pages/1293.asp
"Thorne's research has focused on Einstein's general theory of relativity and on astrophysics, with an emphasis on black holes and gravitational waves. Thorne initiated modern research on whether the laws of physics permit the existence of wormholes. In 1984, he cofounded the Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory (LIGO) Project-the largest project ever funded by the National Science Foundation. The project is designed to allow scientists to "see" the gravitational waves predicted by Einstein's relativity theory. LIGO will begin its search for cosmic gravitational waves this summer."

(it doesn't say when this was printed -- but "this summer" I wonder if it was this year?)

They have two locations for the LIGO facilities, one in Washington and one in Louisiana -- interestingly I found on the Louisiana one that their system went on the blink the first week in May -- althought the facility is in Louisiana, it could have affected things in california?? (hmmm weren't chad sightings in May 5?)
from their website http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/~ll_news/0607a_news/L1_progress.htm
"The bad news began on the morning of May 2 when LLO operators realized that one of L1’s 10-kg mirrors, ITMY (above left), had become immobilized on its suspension mount, rendering the interferometer uncontrollable. A large seismic impulse apparently lodged the mirror on several of its viton-tipped earthquake stops. Staff members began a series of interventions from the control room that became more serious over the following two days as the mirror refused to swing free. On May 5 the method of last resort was employed – a full vent of the chamber, removal of the chamber door and entry into the chamber by garbed personnel (above right) who manually dislodged the mirror. Following chamber closure and a 72-hour pump down, the gate valves that isolated the vented region were re-opened and interferometer operations were restored."

Of course, check out Newt's posted link to this NASA site that uses the interferometer for "Spacecraft Formation Control with Direct Interferometer-Output Feedback"
http://sbir.gsfc.nasa.gov/SBIR/successes/ss/5-064text.html

So if the main LIGO was having problems and went offline on May 5 -- and they worked to repair it, I guess it is probable that several different instances it went offline. And, if this is what NASA uses for spacecraft formation control, it is possible it interfered with the Drone formation control. eh??

From the NASA site at the bottom where you see Instrumentation, Sensors, Space Systems you can reference the different companies using the technology, many in California. Anyone of them could be using the technology that decloaked the drones!! Main one with a direct link on the main page of the NASA site is Optimal Synthesis, Inc. Los Altos CA -- a list of their projects here http://www.optisyn.com/ps/projects/projects.html


A different kind of technology in the area:

Also, in researching AMES research center at Moffett Field... I ran across a NEW facility there entitled the Bio-Info-Nano R&D Institute -- ok, here we have a NEW Nano technology research institute and it says that they begin THIS SUMMER (so maybe some kind of nano technology triggered the decloaking) from their website http://www.bioinfonano.org/about-us/

"The Bio | Info | Nano R & D Institute assembles the extensive research talents of UC Santa Cruz , NASA Ames Research Center, and industrial affiliates like Hewlett-Packard to engage in research at the cutting edge of “convergence science.” This represents the nexus of multiple disciplines, where biologists, physicists, chemical engineers, and others work together to develop next generation technologies. The applications developed at this specialized institute will leverage the Silicon Valley's powerful innovative spirit and unique resource base.

A key program of the Institute is the BIN Energy Initiative, a growing consortium of organizations using novel processes and exotic technologies to build realistic, sustainable alternatives to hydrocarbon fossil fuels. For example, our partner company Solexant is working with UCSC faculty, including Sue Carter’s group, to develop a nano-enabled coating that promises to increase efficiency while lowering the cost of solar cells.

The Institute is truly the place where biology, information technology, and nanotech meet! BIN-RDI will commence operations in summer 2007 at the Advanced Studies Laboratories.
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Castles4me, very good investigation! I'm sure this technology are wide spread.

Whether or not it's flown by man or ET, what you present is the evidence, that it certainly is of interest of the laboratories of today! Excellent findings!

Until REAL proof is thrown onto the deskboard, I am still convinced that this Drone Enigma is true. Despite rumours presented from different sides, it still needs hard evidence to say it isn't. CG has had it's turns, debunkers as well. Unless "Isaac" steps forward, telling us he and Rajman, Chad and TY are the one and the same person, and in cahoots with several other eyewitnesses, and covers for it, no one on this Earth can say it's not true.

Just MHO,

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« Reply #560 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 5:23pm »

Here ya go, this will stir the pot

from (reader at omf)

Okay, here is my update.

The hoaxer's names are Arthur and Jack. We can forget about Jack, because he is just the guy who follows, telling the world - no, the forums - that he really is embarrased by this.
These guys became friends, when working for Northrop Grumman.

Arthur is intelligent and full of humour, giving us all the fun. Sadly he didn't think for an end of this story. LMH interviewed him, because there was no Isaac at all.

When Isaac really talked to LMH, she realized, what was going on. Arthur is good in nearly everything. He knows, how to model, he is an expert in computing, he loves FDDL... (fiddle=packle ) But he is a bad actor. So even LMH understood, that Issac and Arthur had the same voice.

She quickly canceled the C2C-interview with Arthur than and we never heard anything of Isaac again.

But if he and Jack didn't die they still live on...

Which is true for all those witnesses.

from (onthefence omf)

Now we're getting somewhere. Are you saying that you have proof that "Arthur" and "Jack" hoaxed the drones/Isaac issue?

You mention FDDL, is Arthur the one listed here:
http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/491227.html

Fill in the details please.
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« Reply #561 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 6:41pm »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 10:31am, castles4me wrote:
So if the main LIGO was having problems and went offline on May 5 -- and they worked to repair it, I guess it is probable that several different instances it went offline. And, if this is what NASA uses for spacecraft formation control, it is possible it interfered with the Drone formation control. eh??


This are totally separate systems. LIGO has nothing to do with spacecraft formation control, apart that it is also an interferometer. It is very big and very carefully protected from environment and any kind of outside influence so that it can (passively!) measure very very very weak spatial distorsions caused by gravity waves. This protection works both ways - meaning that this interferometer doesn't influence its environment in any way, too.

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What does a gravitational wave observatory look like?

The larger the gravitational-wave detector, the more sensitive it will be. To detect the very weak waves that are predicted requires two installations, each with a 4-foot diameter vacuum pipe arranged in the shape of an L with 4-kilometer (2.5-mile) arms. Since gravitational waves penetrate the earth unimpeded, these installations need not be exposed to the sky and are entirely covered by a concrete cover. At the vertex of the L and at the end of each of its arms are test masses that hang from wires and are fitted with mirrors. The main building at the vertex serves as the control center and houses vacuum equipment, lasers, and computers. Ultrastable laser beams traversing the vacuum pipes measure the effect of gravitational waves on the test masses.

How will the detectors sense gravitational waves?

Gravitational waves are ripples in the fabric of space-time. When they enter the LIGO detector they will decrease the distance between the test masses in one arm of the L, while increasing it in the other. These changes are minute: just 10-16 centimeters, or one-hundred-millionth the diameter of a hydrogen atom over the 4 kilometer length of the arm. These tiny changes can be detected by isolating the test masses from all other disturbances, such as seismic vibrations of the earth and gas molecules in the air, and by bouncing high-power laser light beams back and forth between the test masses in each arm and then interfering the two arms' beams with each other. The tiny changes in test-mass distances throw the two arms' laser beams out of phase with each other, thereby disturbing their interference and revealing the form of the passing gravitational wave.


EDIT: Btw, nothing conclusive was detected with it so far.
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« Reply #562 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 6:58pm »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 5:23pm, Gort wrote:
Here ya go, this will stir the pot

from (reader at omf)

Okay, here is my update.

The hoaxer's names are Arthur and Jack. We can forget about Jack, because he is just the guy who follows, telling the world - no, the forums - that he really is embarrased by this.
These guys became friends, when working for Northrop Grumman.

Arthur is intelligent and full of humour, giving us all the fun. Sadly he didn't think for an end of this story. LMH interviewed him, because there was no Isaac at all.

When Isaac really talked to LMH, she realized, what was going on. Arthur is good in nearly everything. He knows, how to model, he is an expert in computing, he loves FDDL... (fiddle=packle ) But he is a bad actor. So even LMH understood, that Issac and Arthur had the same voice.

She quickly canceled the C2C-interview with Arthur than and we never heard anything of Isaac again.

But if he and Jack didn't die they still live on...

Which is true for all those witnesses.

from (onthefence omf)

Now we're getting somewhere. Are you saying that you have proof that "Arthur" and "Jack" hoaxed the drones/Isaac issue?

You mention FDDL, is Arthur the one listed here:
http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/491227.html

Fill in the details please.


that's just lev...he's a couple cans short of a six pack
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« Reply #563 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 7:15pm »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 3:45pm, nekitamo wrote:
Actually, radar and infrared images provided here are inconclusive.
We need visible light images, preferably with at least this much resolution (current time only):

- only visible light counts.



For completeness, here is a visible satellite image for May 16, at 17:00 PDT = May 17, at 00:00 Z
Still looks clear along the California coast.

http://virga.sfsu.edu/pub/composites/wcsathts_vis/0705/07051700_wcsathts_snd_vis_alt.gif

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« Reply #564 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 7:53pm »

That is a distinct probability...I noted a distinct pattern in Readers attempt to pass off the impression he is a German speaking broken English and suddenly lapses into fluid English and colloquialisms I dunno ..A visit to that forum and listing all the posts by him will reveal that further.

I do like the part where Reader speaks about LMH and how she allegedly put the skids on hearing identical voices between Arthur and Isaac..

well then, If not Lev..who? we (both camps)can visit the possibility:could this be an attempt to give LMH an "out" for not going with this further and keeping it quiet so long..IMO It feels that way to me..she does not have to publicly say it was a hoax, which to my knowledge (if the Frozen paper machet ET in the Leek hoax is an indicator of her behaviour) she most definitely never will. But it helps spread the thought that she is acting in our interest,while still keeping the hits going to her site without saying a word. (its like sitting at a sofa at home and a small check coming in for free) Declaring a Hoax will not keep the interest, nor money, coming in. But,That silence of hers gives sustainability to the memes that MIBs and Gov have gotten to the witnesses, LMH, and lets not forget poor George and C2C which handed the hot potato to LMH. Lets not forget these people also have their operatives in all the forums that indirectly or directly make up their audience and will " protect " that market.What we may be seeing is the beginning of a coverup of different sort..we have seen it before so many times by the Gov only its right here at home...damage control.
Why did it go bad.? Because they were overwhelmed by the probing and stinging questions from not just skeptics but believers..even believers have common sense too.. ..Reader in that post was correct..it was a good script..great photos..but the acting..was..Terrible!

This is why I would not dismiss Gorts "Reader" Post at OM outright..he/she did bring out something well worth considering .

Respectfully
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« Reply #565 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 7:53pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 09:28am, Nodnunk wrote:
Quote from the link above:
If this power can be harnessed by NANO grids, embedded in the surface of the housing, attachments could be hold together (and onto) the rings by magnetic differencies due to current changes inside the superconductors, you not only have the antigravity, but also the propulsion system.

Physics, as we Earthlings understand it, separates gravity from electromagnetism, the strong and the weak forces. So explain further how your magnetic fields can be turned into antigravity by a superconductor?

Also, from what mechanism does the propulsion system arise?

For readers who are interested, the four fundamental forces are briefly described here:

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmology/forces.html



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZMzHTERr-E

You really should view this video through...it may answer your question about the propulsion system.

And, I never imposed that what I said was true, just an assumption grin

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« Reply #566 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 8:20pm »

I just call them as I see them......Also, I actually agree this his statement about LMH. She shouldn't withhold information pertaining to drone/Isaac topics. It shouldn't matter if its pro or anti hoax.
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« Reply #567 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 8:45pm »

Simple question. Is this site still concerned with UFOs? Proof for or against. I hope it is not just a place to further one poster's career as OMF is. I am still interested in UFOs even if first they must pass Mr. CGI's approval! Oh, nothing absolutely nothing offends me, because I always consider the source.
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« Reply #568 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 9:26pm »

Are Middletown, CA or Apple Valley, CA close to where Chad claims to have experienced siting??
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on Sep 13th, 2007, 8:45pm, interocitor wrote:
Simple question. Is this site still concerned with UFOs? Proof for or against. I hope it is not just a place to further one poster's career as OMF is. I am still interested in UFOs even if first they must pass Mr. CGI's approval! Oh, nothing absolutely nothing offends me, because I always consider the source.
I agree.when is any one or two,is gona out right prove the drones or photos isaac an out right hoaxs? from what i see it seems avery hard test for someone to do so. I personaly feel the droneswhich came to our goverment by way of the aliens can also be use as military weapons, and the uncloaking of them are worring the military hoping they dont get noticed by mybe rusia.just my thought. wink
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