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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #480 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 3:06pm »

I am just watching a political talk show. The (female) moderator just asked a member of the CDU, if Angela Merkel wanted to set a signal to the liberals, wearing a read jacket, telling the liberals (yellow) that she also could continue the work with the social democrats (red).

His answer: Your question overstrains me now!

Maybe this is what is happening here, too. grin

But Tomi made me aware today, that Elijah's site is gone. I just looked for it again, and now it says, they are under construction.

I am looking forward to the new outfit. Will it still show dronish letters? I don't think so. But let's see...
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« Reply #481 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 3:19pm »

on Oct 4th, 2009, 2:49pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I'm just saying it looks they are using the CARET LAP design and to me it would be a copyrightable derivative work, remotely suggestive of the original LAP.

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Iím sorry Tomi I donít know what you mean; they ARE using the LAP as they tried to hotlink to Isaacís original (fullsize) image. But of course as FC is free-hosting then they canít serve their adverts via hot-links and this is why I said that hot-links to FC are always displayed this way.

What do you mean by Ďtheyí? Do you mean the current.com user and if so how is this different to the re-posting of the images across the entire internet? Or by people like us who dissect and post parts of them?

Perhaps the more revealing line of questioning would be why are you determined to prove your point about copyright to the extent that as above you post a link to someone who has posted a link to Isaacís page and cite this as Ďremotely suggestiveí when its nothing of the sort and is actually the exact image that Isaac posted?

I guess I must be missing something Tomi? undecided

on Oct 4th, 2009, 3:06pm, SiddReader wrote:
But Tomi made me aware today, that Elijah's site is gone. I just looked for it again, and now it says, they are under construction.

I am looking forward to the new outfit. Will it still show dronish letters? I don't think so. But let's see...

Lucky for you I had to discover it by myself!! grin

The last cache I could find was for the 22nd Sep, but the page currently showing is usually for when a site is gone for good, not an update per se, it could be but I doubt it. Incidentally I fired an email away to Virgil Crow and to the IA-info address a few days ago asking about this and while none have replied strangely the IA one DIDN'T bounce which it should have done if the site is gone completely (i.e. the servers are empty due to no pre-paid hosting) as it's not a default catch-all email address.

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*Edit FT to FC (FortuneCity rolleyes)
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« Reply #482 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 3:40pm »

on Oct 4th, 2009, 3:19pm, DrDil wrote:
I guess I must be missing something Tomi? undecided



Uh huh... I think you are reading too much into me finding a design similar to the LAP and commenting on it...

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Lucky for you I had to discover it by myself!! grin




Oh... sad Well.. gee.. thanks... for letting me know..
( what is this pick on Tomi all the time stuff ..) kiss
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« Reply #483 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 3:52pm »

on Oct 4th, 2009, 3:40pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Uh huh... I think you are reading too much into me finding a design similar to the LAP and commenting on it...

Not at all I still donít understand what you were trying to say as you have less than skilfully avoided answering my only real question, i.e. what do you mean?

(It's not similar, and for the third time IT IS Isaac's!! kiss)


on Oct 4th, 2009, 3:40pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Oh... sad Well.. gee.. thanks... for letting me know..
( what is this pick on Tomi all the time stuff ..) kiss

Sorry Tomi I thought that perhaps quoting Sidd would make it obvious that I was speaking to him and it was no more than friendly banter, you remember that donít you? (Hence the grinning smiley grin).

Iím a little disappointed that you would infer Iím picking on you by merely questioning your post so as I may understand what you mean and then to highlight me having a friendly joke with an old friend to further allude to this fact. kiss

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« Reply #484 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 4:05pm »

on Oct 4th, 2009, 3:52pm, DrDil wrote:
Not at all I still donít understand what you were trying to say as you have less than skilfully avoided answering my only real question, i.e. what do you mean?

(It's not similar, and for the third time IT IS Isaac's!! kiss)



Sorry Tomi I thought that perhaps quoting Sidd would make it obvious that I was speaking to him and it was no more than friendly banter, you remember that donít you? (Hence the grinning smiley grin).

Iím a little disappointed that you would infer Iím picking on you by merely questioning your post so as I may understand what you mean and then to highlight me having a friendly joke with an old friend to further allude to this fact. kiss

Cheers. wink


Yeah.... sigh... hilarious grin tongue

Regarding the previous 3 questions.. I'm sorry but it was so inconsequencial can we please forget about it..

Otherwise it could take too much boring crap to explain something that absolutely means nothing worth commenting further about..
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« Reply #485 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 4:06pm »

However. I found this news about Internalastronaut more interesting than all that chitchat about copyrights. Maybe our member Elijah Tome could explain what happened in his polite manner. Or his opposite hand Virgil Crow can throw in some harsh words...

My first idea - as Tomi knows - was, that there was a cease-and-desist letter. If so, it would be interesting, from where it came.
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« Reply #486 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 4:13pm »

on Oct 4th, 2009, 4:05pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Yeah.... sigh... hilarious grin tongue

Aww Tomi,

Playing the martyr really doesnít become you but I guess whatever makes you comfortableÖ..

on Oct 4th, 2009, 4:05pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Otherwise it could take too much boring crap to explain something that absolutely means nothing worth commenting further about..

Finally!!

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« Reply #487 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 4:29pm »

grin grin grin grin grin cool
see I do have a sense of humor.. wink
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« Reply #488 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 4:41pm »

on Oct 4th, 2009, 4:06pm, SiddReader wrote:
However. I found this news about Internalastronaut more interesting than all that chitchat about copyrights. Maybe our member Elijah Tome could explain what happened in his polite manner. Or his opposite hand Virgil Crow can throw in some harsh words...

My first idea - as Tomi knows - was, that there was a cease-and-desist letter. If so, it would be interesting, from where it came.

I appreciate thatís an intriguing thought and while I admit itís a possibility I think the fact that the registration information still shows:

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Registrant:
Virgil / Rred Crow / Walker
1313 mockingbird lane
Clearwater, FL 33675
US

Registrar: DOTREGISTRAR
Domain Name: INTERNALASTRONAUT.COM
Created on: 03-JAN-07
Expires on: 03-JAN-12
Last Updated on: 29-DEC-08
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Which when coupled with the email that DIDNíT bounce as I mentioned earlier and because the WHOIS registrars for *DOTCOM* sites are particularly stringent and on the WIKI page specifically state that:

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Law and policy

WHOIS has generated policy issues in the United States federal government. As noted above, WHOIS creates a privacy issue which is also tied to free speech and anonymous speech. However, WHOIS is an important tool for law enforcement officers investigating violations like spam and phishing to track down the holders of domain names. Law enforcement officers become frustrated when WHOIS records are filled with rubbish. As a result, law enforcement agencies have sought to make WHOIS records both open and verified:

ē The Federal Trade Commission has testified about how inaccurate WHOIS records thwart their investigations.

ē There have been congressional hearings that have touched on the importance of WHOIS in 2006, 2002, and 2001.

ē The Fraudulent Online Identity Sanctions Act "make it a violation of trademark and copyright law if a person knowingly provided, or caused to be provided, materially false contact information in making, maintaining, or renewing the registration of a domain name used in connection with the violation, where the latter "violation" refers to a prior violation of trademark or copyright law.

The act does not make the submission of false WHOIS data illegal in itself, only if used to shield oneself from prosecution for crimes committed using that domain name.

If I were a betting man and any such proceedings had Ďforcedí a take-down of the site then this would be a more likely candidate as if it was the specific scattering of the symbols throughout the site then a few other websites (possibly me included) would have been issued similar Ďdesistí notices?

The last paragraph is as Tomi would say a 'technicality' and the important aspect is "The Fraudulent Online Identity Sanctions Act 'make it a violation of trademark and copyright law if a person knowingly provided, or caused to be provided, materially false contact information in making, maintaining, or renewing the registration of a domain name used in connection with the violation," which as neveleven pointed out a while ago could be used to issue a take-down notice.

Or.....

They could simply be changing servers and grossly miscalculated down-time as the new DNS is filtered through those internet tube thingys!! wink laugh

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« Reply #489 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 5:35pm »

Just changing flashfiles, I would suggest.
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« Reply #490 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 5:46pm »

on Oct 4th, 2009, 5:35pm, SiddReader wrote:
Just changing flashfiles, I would suggest.

Again while itís a possibility I personally would create a landing page rather than the default parked page which means there is no landing page, i.e. *index.html* created which generally means (for whatever reason) that the full site has been taken down, which is in fact the case as the in-site links also bring the same -default- page up.

Of course just as itís not how I would do it doesnít mean that itís not how everyone else would do it.

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« Reply #491 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 6:04pm »

Now, at least it is interesting, that Elijah got more private on the hotpanties-site:

http://whois.domaintools.com/hotfilthypanties.com

The old registration information has disappeared.

"Registrant Contact:
Enoch/Elijah Tome/Melchizedek ()
Fax:
333 Post-Mortem Way
Clearwater, FL 33755
US"

Now:

"Registrant Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent ()

Fax:
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
C/O hotfilthypanties.com
Bellevue, WA 98007
US"

Still I am looking forward, what Elijah has to present in the future. wink
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« Reply #492 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 6:29pm »

on Oct 4th, 2009, 4:41pm, DrDil wrote:
If I were a betting man and any such proceedings had Ďforcedí a take-down of the site then this would be a more likely candidate as if it was the specific scattering of the symbols throughout the site then a few other websites (possibly me included) would have been issued similar Ďdesistí notices?



The way I understand it with the issue you raised, your use and most of the websites, even the ones of the drones entertainment (parody) comes under fair use.

Nobody would go after this kind of use, IA was a design use, not for financial gain, but would not qualify as fair use, however unless they have DEEP POCKETS wink buried in there somewhere with a good insurance company under them, a Law Firm would only bother Dell & Assoc.. However, hypothetically, IA could get caught in the cross fire if litigation began for sure.. JMHO..
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« Reply #493 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 6:42pm »

on Oct 4th, 2009, 2:20pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Interesting.. Even Fortunecity seems to have picked up on the act:

http://current.com/items/75983442_linguistic-analysis-primer.htm

(this is copyrightable, but not the name!.. IMO)



This was a real noggin scratcher, but I think what tomi was trying to say was that she sees a similarity between the LAP designs and the graphic FC is using with the little gear and 3 circles.

Fortune city has been using that graphic for as long as I can remember, I don't think they've "picked up" anything.
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« Reply #494 on: Oct 4th, 2009, 6:53pm »

on Oct 4th, 2009, 6:42pm, blackwater wrote:
This was a real noggin scratcher, but I think what tomi was trying to say was that she sees a similarity between the LAP designs and the graphic FC is using with the little gear and 3 circles.

Fortune city has been using that graphic for as long as I can remember, I don't think they've "picked up" anything.


Yes, you are right as well I'm sure, I've seen it before for a long time too but I only made the association to the LAP when I found someone else had made that association in the link I put up. That's all.. So, I assumed that ages ago probably, but after the IsaacCaret site went up, they may have changed their logo.. dunno.. but not a big deal.. sorry to confuse.. tongue
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