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Ret. Col. Says UFOs Are Real, but Denies Government Cover-Up:


By Lee Speigel


Whether you believe or disbelieve the notion that UFOs are visitors from another planet, a former highly decorated military officer now comes forward with information that may infuriate those on both sides in the ongoing ET debate.

Retired Col. John Alexander, using his military savvy and high security clearance, spent a quarter of a century going through the top levels of the U.S. government and military searching for the group of people who were allegedly responsible for UFO information and the supposedly decades-old UFO cover-up.

His conclusions: Not only is there no such group and no cover-up, but disclosure about UFOs has already occurred on different official levels.

With so many people crying out these days for the U.S. government or the United Nations or even the Vatican to issue some sort of "we are not alone in the universe" disclosure statement, Alexander says the information has been dripping out all around us, over decades, with top officials casually making statements about UFOs.

He references this 1950 remark made by President Harry Truman: "I can assure you the flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on Earth."

"Disclosure has happened," Alexander added. "It starts with former presidents Truman, Carter, Reagan and [the Soviet Union's] Gorbachev. I've got stacks of generals, including Soviet generals, who've come out and said UFOs are real. My point is, how many times do senior officials need to come forward and say this is real?" Alexander told AOL News.

"At one time, before a lot of this information was released, I could see both the classified and the unclassified material. And I will tell you that 98 percent of the information was already in the public domain. The only things that weren't there was stuff like sources and method, which is protected, but the information about the incident was already out there."

Several months ago, a group of ex-military officers came forward to discuss their experiences when UFOs reportedly tampered with American nuclear missile sites. While Alexander acknowledges the events, he suggests why there was no intense intelligence investigation of these incidents.

"They absolutely happened, but when it's a one-time event, the attitude of investigators is: If it happens again, we'll get nervous, but since it didn't happen, put it aside.

"It's sort of an indictment that says, despite overwhelming evidence of interaction with strategic systems, nothing was done. And in my view, it is put, like a number of things, in the too-tough-to-handle bin."

The 74-year-old former Green Beret A-Team commander and developer of weapons at Los Alamos, N.M., is one of many speakers presenting his views at this week's International UFO Congress in Scottsdale, Ariz. He takes issue with both true believers (who assume any strange light in the sky is from another planet) and hard-nosed skeptics (who debunk any and all UFO reports and evidence to the contrary).

In his new book, "UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies and Realities" (Thomas Dunne Books), Alexander jumps right to the chase, saying, "UFOs are real! With no prevarication or qualification of terms, there are physical objects of unknown origin that do transit our universe. The evidence that supports those statements is simply overwhelming."

The evidence he speaks of includes the hard data of sensor technology that has frequently confirmed the reality of physical craft and the high quality of extremely reliable eyewitnesses who are "neither misreporting facts nor delusional."

After spending decades deeply embroiled behind the scenes, Alexander's assertion of the reality of UFOs still leaves the bigger question: What's the origin and purpose of these unexplained machines? (If, in fact, they are machines in the sense that we use that term.)

"The problem is, when you discuss UFOs, we are talking everything from little balls of light to hard craft a mile or more across, and everything in between. So what is it?" Alexander asked.

"I argue that, not only are we not solving the problems yet, we're not even asking the right questions, because we approach this wrong.

"I suspect that consciousness is a piece of the puzzle. We talk about UFOs, saying it's a technology that's 1,000 years in advance, but it really isn't. If you follow the history of these things, usually it is somewhat in advance, but not beyond our comprehension by any stretch of the imagination.

"The conundrum you get into is, yes, they are seen by sensors; however, at other times, they are not seen by sensors that should've seen them, and that's one I can't answer."

Alexander is a frequent guest on "Coast to Coast AM With George Noory," the popular overnight radio program. George Knapp, a multiple Emmy Award-winning investigative reporter and a weekend "Coast to Coast" host, praises Alexander's stance and suggests his book "will almost certainly infuriate zealots on both ends of the UFO spectrum."

In his review of Alexander's book, Knapp wrote: "Alexander's military mind instinctively gets to the heart of UFO cases and issues, makes quick work of charlatans and fools, and will likely inspire a new round of speculation about his presumed role as an MIB-type spook who spies on the UFO community."

In the early 1980s, Alexander created a behind-the-scenes government UFO study group called Advanced Theoretical Physics, or ATP, that consisted of members of the military, scientific and intelligence communities. With a top-secret security clearance, Alexander also had a tremendous amount of flexibility.

A key outcome of that study group was, contrary to conspiracy theorists' beliefs, that nobody in the government was responsible for UFO information.

He says that after his ATP group looked at many UFO cases, they came to some key conclusions:

There was sufficient evidence supported by high-quality data to know that some UFO cases were real anomalies -- not just poor observation or misidentification.

There were cases involving military weapon systems that posed a significant threat and should be investigated.

Multisensory data supported observations of physical craft that performed intelligent maneuvers that were far beyond any known human capability.

There were cases that involved trace physical evidence.

Study of the UFO data could provide a potential for a leap in technology.

All that being said, Alexander also states that the infamous Roswell, N.M., UFO case of 1947 was not, in fact, a crashed alien spacecraft but a top-secret military project called Mogul.

"It was a real incident, no doubt about it. The Air Force played it abysmally, but I think there is a prosaic answer, and that was Project Mogul," Alexander explained. "It wasn't a weather balloon -- it was something really quite different. This was designed to listen to the Soviet Union.

"So when they say it was stretched out across the field, yup, exactly the way it was done. It was supersecret and it didn't involve UFOs."

After many years of deep research into UFOs, Alexander is convinced from both a personal and military point of view that it's a much more complex issue than the idea of Earth being visited by extraterrestrials. He proposes a concept called precognitive sentient phenomena.

"The point is there is something out there that is sentient. When I say precognitive, it knows -- whatever it is -- not only what it is going to present, but how we are going to respond to it.

"The public is interested but ambivalent in general. The public believes in UFOs, but it doesn't affect their daily lives," Alexander explained. "In the military, you learn very quickly it is not career-enhancing to bring up anomalies that you don't have good answers for.

"There's a euphemism in the military: If you bring me a problem, bring me a solution."




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Ex-Air Force Officers: UFOs Monitored Nuke Sites:


UFOs have monitored and occasionally tampered with nuclear weapons sites, both in the U.S. and abroad, for nearly 60 years.

That was the allegation based on eyewitness testimony of several former Air Force officers who came together Monday at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., to tell their remarkable stories and to urge the government to finally make this information available to the public.

Co-host of the news conference, author and researcher Robert Hastings, told AOL News, "The purpose of the press conference was to draw worldwide media attention to the reality of UFO incursions at nuclear weapons sites, which have been going on since the 1940s."

Hastings, author of the book "UFOs and Nukes," insists that UFOs have been largely ignored by the media, and he felt the best way to draw more attention to the phenomenon was to bring together the kind of voices that media outlets might be more inclined to pay attention to.

"The documents that have been declassified through the Freedom of Information Act and the witness testimony from over 120 former or retired military people who I've interviewed conclusively proves that UFOs are interested in our nuclear weapons, and have not only monitored them decade after decade but have, on occasion, tampered with them, have temporarily activated missiles and have shut down missiles on a number of other occasions -- some pretty dramatic stuff," Hastings said.

"We simply think that the public's right to know the facts trumps military secrecy and so, we're attempting to bring these very credible witnesses -- persons who had experiences at missile sites, at weapons storage areas -- to tell their stories."

One former Air Force officer on hand in Washington was Col. Charles Halt, who, in December 1980, was the deputy base commander at joint British/American airbases, Bentwaters and Woodbridge, in the Rendlesham Forest in England. Over the course of several nights, UFO activity was high at the base, including reports of unidentified objects near the nuclear weapons storage area.

On one evening, Halt was summoned into the forest near the base to investigate a UFO sighting.

"There was a glow in the forest near indentations from where a supposed object had rested two nights before," Halt told AOL News.

"So we went into the forest, and we were examining things, and suddenly, we saw something. We looked out in the farmer's field and there was this almost elliptical object with a black center. It appeared to be winking, is the best way I can describe it, and it was dripping, like, molten metal off it, just like it was shedding something.

"It wasn't perfectly round, it was a little bit flattened, and it moved from side to side, then it came into the forest, moving through the trees, avoiding the trees, it bobbed up and down a bit in the process, and at one point, it actually approached us."

Halt, understandably, became concerned with this chain of events, trying to determine a rational explanation.

"I was thinking ball lightning, what could this be? And then it receded back out into the farmer's field, and suddenly, it just silently exploded into five white objects and they disappeared."

But as Halt would shortly discover, the UFO encounter was far from over.

"Across the road, we stumbled through a creek, got all wet and went out into the plowed field, just looking around, and we looked in the sky and there were objects in the sky -- several to the north and several to the south.

"The ones in the north changed from elliptical to round and had multi-colored lights that were blinking and flashing. They moved at very high speed and sharp angular movements, as though they were doing a grid search or something."

And then, apparently, one of the objects took a sudden interest in the soldiers.

"One of them approached us at very high speed -- I'd say it was at 2,000 to 4,000 feet in altitude, and it came almost directly overhead and sent down the equivalent of a laser beam -- it's the best I can describe it. It did not go like a light beam and fan out; it came straight down, maybe 8 or 10 inches in diameter, and fell just 8 or 10 feet from our feet.

"We stood there in awe, you know, 'Is this a warning, is this a signal, is this a communication? What is this? A weapon?' And just as suddenly as it appeared, it disappeared, and the object moved back away from us a bit, and while we were standing there, then we noticed another object over the Woodbridge base, sending down the equivalent of similar beams."

Whatever it was that appeared in the skies over Bentwaters-Woodbridge in December 1980, Hall points out, wasn't just seen by several Air Force personnel.

"I found out later that British radar had actually picked up some things on a screen -- I didn't know this until recently, because people had come forward after they'd retired. There were two radar confirmations."

Hastings says that reported UFO incursions on nuclear weapons sites haven't been limited to American facilities; Russia has had its own similar cases.

"We know from declassified KGB files that the same thing was going on in the former Soviet Union. As recently as this past June, a major Russian newspaper, Life, reopened a UFO incident at a nuclear missile site -- the same kind of thing happened that has been described by U.S. military sources:

"A saucer hovers over a missile site, suddenly missiles are temporarily activated, everybody's horrified while trying to figure out what to do, and then, seconds later, everything returns to normal. That happened on Oct. 4, 1982, in the Soviet Ukraine."

One key element in UFO testimony is the question of why more military or scientific voices haven't come forward in the past to discuss the possibility of UFO reality. Halt has a simple, straightforward answer.

"Because it's a career killer," he said. "I tried to keep it all quiet and quite frankly, at the time it happened, I really didn't want any publicity, didn't want to be involved in it. Hey, I was coming up for promotion, and this was not a positive thing. My boss wanted nothing to do with it; he kept it at arm's length."

What did Halt and the other former Air Force officers at Monday's news conference conclude about the UFO events they separately experienced during their service careers?

"This was something of intelligent control beyond any technology we know. It's my firm belief that it was extraterrestrial or from a different dimension."

And how does Halt feel about allegations that the Air Force has engaged in a specific routine of disinformation regarding UFO reports?

"How do you kill a story better than making it so ridiculous that everybody laughs when they hear it? And I can tell you, the military has it down to a science."

But a big question still remains: If it's true that some UFOs may not be from our earthly neighborhood, why would the military want to keep all of this a secret?

"Well, that's a good question," Halt said. "The only thing I can think of is they're afraid that the public couldn't handle it. Or that we may have some type of contact."

But Halt thinks the public would accept the idea that some UFOs might be extraterrestrial. "I think so, if it were done properly. We have the technology and the skill to do it, to gradually start building up to it or to do it in such a way that it wouldn't cause a panic -- yes, I think the public could handle it today. It would certainly put a spin on everything from religion to world government."

And why did Halt agree to join with other Air Force colleagues in Washington to put themselves on the line and talk about possible alien UFOs?

"I'd like to get the truth out there, that we push people a little further to true disclosure. Is that going to happen? Probably not, but this might be another step."




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« Reply #2 on: Aug 3rd, 2011, 11:48am »

Maggie, thanks for posting this!

on Jul 29th, 2011, 8:53pm, Maggie wrote:
Ret. Col. Says UFOs Are Real, but Denies Government Cover-Up:


By Lee Speigel



"I argue that, not only are we not solving the problems yet, we're not even asking the right questions, because we approach this wrong.

"I suspect that consciousness is a piece of the puzzle. We talk about UFOs, saying it's a technology that's 1,000 years in advance, but it really isn't. If you follow the history of these things, usually it is somewhat in advance, but not beyond our comprehension by any stretch of the imagination.

"The conundrum you get into is, yes, they are seen by sensors; however, at other times, they are not seen by sensors that should've seen them, and that's one I can't answer.

'After many years of deep research into UFOs, Alexander is convinced from both a personal and military point of view that it's a much more complex issue than the idea of Earth being visited by extraterrestrials. He proposes a concept called precognitive sentient phenomena.

"The point is there is something out there that is sentient. When I say precognitive, it knows -- whatever it is -- not only what it is going to present, but how we are going to respond to it."


Well, there is a more sensible than usual evaluation of the UFO problem than we are used to getting from gubmint - or even most UFOlogical types. When one takes the phenomenon as a whole, the usual "extraterrestrial hypothesis" (ETH) really is not adequate to cover the full array of experiences that witnesses report.

I think the ETH explanation is simply a low common denominator for people with limited imaginations. Not that I have an explanation either, mind you, or that I think the ETH could not explain SOME UFO reports. But, as stated above, it is a very limited way of looking at phenomena that have a much broader scope than can be contained within such a simplistic explanation.

Kudos to Alexander for considering a more complete view.


on Jul 29th, 2011, 8:53pm, Maggie wrote:
All that being said, Alexander also states that the infamous Roswell, N.M., UFO case of 1947 was not, in fact, a crashed alien spacecraft but a top-secret military project called Mogul.

"It was a real incident, no doubt about it. The Air Force played it abysmally, but I think there is a prosaic answer, and that was Project Mogul," Alexander explained. "It wasn't a weather balloon -- it was something really quite different. This was designed to listen to the Soviet Union.

"So when they say it was stretched out across the field, yup, exactly the way it was done. It was supersecret and it didn't involve UFOs."


Here is where Alexander veers off the tracks. He should have used the same criteria he exercised so well above: what explanations can contain the entire scope of witness reports?

Sorry the Mogul balloon theory does not even begin to cover the whole range of witness testimony surrounding Roswell. It is surprising that he accepted this idea if he actually bothered to study the full range of witness reports on the Roswell incident. Perhaps he did not trouble himself to do so.

Just because he was an "insider" does not mean that he was privy to everything. As Stan Friedman is fond of saying, "Lack of evidence is not necessarily evidence of lack." For those who believe there is no coverup, may I suggest Richard Dolan's seminal books, "UFOs and the National Security State".

For people not trying to hide anything, there has been an awful lot of mealy-mouthed prevaricating going on directly from the mouths of responsible official parties. Dolan does a good job of enumerating the many meandering and contradictory views, back-tracking and out-and-out lying perpetrated by the government on this subject.

I would suggest that Alexander's "mogul balloon" theory is a good example of the latter.....
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