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xx Bentwaters Discussion Heating Up Again
« Thread started on: May 22nd, 2017, 10:05am »

John F Burroughs: "As you can see by the post below, it appears that the MOD may finally be ready to release the 18 files I uncovered. What you will also see is Nick Pope taking the lead on all of this even though he once stated that all files had been released. Does that surprise me? No! I would expect nothing less from Nick Pope, a man who has sat on the fence on my UFO issues over the years. What stands out so far and disappoints me is the fact Nick, who I co-authored a book with, has failed to mention the fact in the latest article and Ancient Aliens show, that I was involved. In fact, you would think he would be pointing these people and others in my direction since I hold the FOIA and questions that led to the announcement by the MOD. You can only help but wonder why Nick Pope is handling all of this in this manner. What does it all mean? What does Nick really know about all of this? He clearly had no idea the MOD was holding back 18 files... Or did he?? "inquiring minds need to know!"

Me: "Don't give up, John!"

John F Burroughs: "I won't Paul Young, the problem is something smells in Denmark. Our book was delayed because the publisher felt there was not enough of Penniston and I in it. Then Pope refused to put anymore about the codes in it other than what was covered, with Penniston not even sticking up for that to take place. Nick Pope and I also went round and round about Condign, with me wanting more about it in the book. Nick's response was more about 'Condign will come out in due time'. Nick has now said the book is being circulated inside the MOD. I find that interesting because I was just told our book is also making the rounds inside the DOD...

Nick also has stated both the MOD and DOD had to clear our book before it could be released which was news to us, I was never allowed to see any such exchanges..."


What are they hiding? Brexit blamed for latest delay in release of UK UFO 'X-Files'

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/807130/UFO-UK-X-files-delay-Brexit-General-Election-cover-up-aliens


03-29-2017 John Burroughs, RAF Bentwaters, Rendlesham Forest, Interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B38un6nz_oM

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xx Re: Bentwaters Discussion Heating Up Again
« Reply #1 on: May 29th, 2017, 2:53pm »

Interesting Facebook chat with John Burroughs today. He posted a copy of Billy Cox's blog entry from 2015, concerning the VA. It is shown below.

I asked John, "Has anything changed? Is the pending British release of files going to help?" Here is his response:

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"Well since I don't currently hold a clearance I'm not sure what will be in the documents the MOD releases. What I can tell you is, I hope to be able to release the documents from the VA that Cox talked about, late summer or early fall along with the FOIA I did having to do with the files the MOD claims they're going to release in June."




Did VA just confirm UFO dangers?


Posted on February 27, 2015
by Billy Cox

Given the self-inflicted wounds created by the Department of Veterans Affairs, bureauland must feel like a bunker these days, in Washington as well as its regional offices across the U.S. A waiting-list death scandal, more than 900 personnel firings, the resignation of director Eric Shinseki, whistleblower retaliation — on and on it goes, drama without end.

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USAF veteran John Burroughs, right, recently received full service-connected medical disability benefits due to what he insists was exposure to UFO radiation/CREDIT: www.schwerkreport.com

Well, depending on if/how the MSM responds, VA officials might want to tug those chin straps a little tighter. That’s because, last Sunday, Mississippi attorney Pat Frascogna issued a press release titled “U.S. Government’s De Facto Acknowledgement of the Existence of UFOs.” (More details at Earthfiles.com) At its core was the resolution of a complicated — yeah, they’re all complicated — service-connected disability dispute involving Air Force veteran and Arizona resident John Burroughs. Burroughs was a key witness to the so-called Bentwaters/Rendlesham Forest UFO incident of 1980. In 2013, at the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure at the National Press Club, Burroughs and retired USAF colleague Jim Penniston recounted their inability to acquire their military medical records from more than 30 years ago.

During efforts to link his heart damage to UFO radiation exposure while responding to a reported security breach on the perimeter of the British-based American air base, Burroughs encountered a roadblock on the paper trail. Although he joined the USAF in 1979, the VA said the earliest service records it could locate dated only as far back as 1982. Burroughs went through two Arizona Senators’ offices — Jon Kyle and John McCain — before the political wheels were able to recover his initial discharge papers, which placed him exactly where he said he was in December 1980. But his medical records are still out there, somewhere.

Nevertheless, bottom line, last month, the VA informed Burroughs it was awarding him a full disability for his heart condition, which required life-saving surgery in 2013. The agency based its decision on 21 bulleted items. Among them was “Service Treatment Records, from February 1979 to April 1988,” the earliest of which Burroughs — again — has never been able to examine for himself. But this listed factor is the real eye-popper: “Duplicate documents regarding the Rendlesham Forest Incident, received May 2, 2014.”

“Now, after decades of persistence,” Frascogna announced in his press release, “the U.S. Government has finally acknowledged that John Burroughs suffered adverse health effects in the Rendlesham Forest and, therefore, has recognized the link between his health problems and the UFO he encountered.”

De Void’s attempt to get a VA response has yet to bear fruit, as they say. But the “duplicate documents” referenced in the Veterans Affairs verdict is a formerly classified British Defence Intelligence Staff assessment of UFOs from 1997-2000. The Brits referred to those cases by the less incendiary acronym UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena). Known as Project Condign and released to the media in 2006, the study argued UFOs/UAP weren’t intelligently controlled vehicles but were, instead, the product of mysterious meteorological forces like plasmas that science can’t explain.

In attempting to account for the unquestionably bizarre and un-weather-like eyewitness reports across the board, Condign produced a section called “Potential Mental Effects on Humans” suggesting how UAP electrical fields might scramble the brain’s temporal lobe, manifesting into hallucinations or episodes of “missing time.” For Burroughs, the key passage is this:

“The well-reported Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters event is an example where it might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to UAP radiation for longer than normal UAP sighting periods. There may be other cases which remain unreported. It is clear that the recipients of these effects are not aware that their behaviour/perception of what they are observing is being modified.”

Weather capable of emitting enough acute radiation to cause heart damage. Go figure. Anyhow, how big a deal is this? A statement from the VA’s public affairs desk in Washington says privacy laws prohibit the agency from discussing individual cases. It adds, “(The) VA granting service connection should in no way infer anything beyond the establishment/existence of these requirements/factors.” And by “requirements/factors,” it means “medical evidence providing a connection between the current disability and the service.”

So here we are.

Burroughs is still trying to get his hands on those classified medical records. If the media follows precedent on its coverage of The Great Taboo, this shouldn’t become an issue for the VA. And that ought to be a relief, because those guys have more than enough fires to put out already.

http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/15233/did-va-just-confirm-ufo-dangers/

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xx Re: Bentwaters Discussion Heating Up Again
« Reply #2 on: May 29th, 2017, 9:36pm »

Nick Pope claims that when Penniston touched the craft, he received a telepathic download.

The message, "exploration of humanity continuous for planetary advance, they are time travellers, they are us".

Nick says this is more important than Roswell, and disclosure will never happen.

Nick claims disclosure would be bad for all, humans and aliens.
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« Reply #3 on: May 29th, 2017, 9:56pm »

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I GUESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM FOR ME IS..."they are time travellers, they are us" AND CONSTRUED AS "aliens" AND NOT "humans"...MOROVER, IF "they are us"THAT'S IMPRESSIVE AS IT...CONTINUED TO BE...STEP AFTER STEP...

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« Reply #4 on: May 30th, 2017, 06:26am »

Really Great Stuff ..I am on pins and needles here and YUGE Haystack just awaitin for us..I admire the persistance of the victims..there is a sea animal called the urchin which regurgitates its insides when threatened and escapes capture by predators..seems that strategy did not work...and now it is face to face with its nightmare..us grin
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 20th, 2017, 2:52pm »

Interesting repartee between John Burroughs and Nick Pope on Facebook this afternoon.....


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Update Nick Pope just posted this below even know everybody is being civil to him Nick has decided to back out on his promise of answering question presented to him on this page. He loves to brag about his training that he got from the MOD but can't seem to handle the questions that have been presented to him in a very civil matter . I felt the need to give him a chance to answers these but since he is now skipping out refusing to answer them like he promised he would do when he joined in yesterday of his own free will I will be forced to show some of the emails that have taken place between us. Some of those exchanges will have to do with his involvement with the questions being presented to parliament by Lord Black. I will also show the exchange Nick Pope and I had about a weapon being created off of the Phenomenon. Maybe just maybe Nick was not as deeply involved with what took place inside the MOD as he wants you to believe!.
John Ervin: At least everyone is being civil about this....
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Nick Pope: Yes indeed. That said, we already seem to have at least three threads where I'm being asked questions, and numerous sub-threads, so it's getting somewhat disjointed and hard to follow. Accordingly, I may decide to do an "Ask Me Anything" on Reddit, as ...See More
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Fair play to you Nick. Weather people agree or disagree with what you say, you can't be anymore open than that
John F Burroughs: Once again Nick Pope your trying to duck the questions that have been asked. I have cleaned up the thread and you should have no problems answering the question. I guess Nick just wants to slink back to a more favorable surrounding one that won't challenge him to answer the questions that have been presented to him. smiley

John F Burroughs Question number one he didn't respond to. Were you involved with the question that was asked on the floor of the house of Lords by Lord Black having to do with the M9/18 defense policy issue file?

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John F Burroughs Question 2 he failed to explain Other than a brief mention in a Forum right after it came out in 2006 nobody not even Nick Pope discussed this. I could understand why the debunker's left it alone but why did Nick? He was all about Rendlesham and the documents that had been released but never mentioned this until our book was released in 2014. For those who might not be aware this was in Project Condign. In fact if you go on line you will see Nick Pope went into great detail about Project Condign but never mentioned this.
“The well-reported Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters event is an example where it might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to UAP radiation for longer than normal UAP sighting periods" .

• Reply • 30 mins
Nick Pope I'm happy to continue answering questions, and was simply pointing out that I'll be doing a Reddit AMA at some point in the future, as a less confusing way of having a meaningful Q&A than dealing with multiple threads and sub-threads on somebody else's Facebook page. Self-evidently, however, polite questions are more likely to get an answer than impolite ones, and answers followed by snarky digs will result in the instant termination of this entire Q&A.

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John F Burroughs Great there all sitting below waiting for you to answer them.

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John F Burroughs Question 3 was about providing evidence to support the fact you stated both the DOD and MOD had to clear our book before it could be published..

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Nick Pope I believe it's standard practice not to pass such correspondence to third parties or release it to the public. Accordingly, while you could make a FOIA request to the MoD and to the DoD's Office of Security Review for this, I doubt any paperwork can be released. Rest assured, however, it's not very exciting. I know exactly where the line is, and didn't cross it. I checked very carefully (as I'm sure you and Jim did too, right?) to ensure we hadn't inadvertently put any classified information into the book, and accordingly received a straightforward "approved for public release".

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Nick Pope The answer to question one, above, is "yes".

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John F Burroughs Care to explain what your part was in all of that and why.

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Nick Pope As I recall matters, I offered some advice and a draft for Lord Black's consideration. Here's the actual question and answer in Hansard (the official record of UK parliamentary proceedings). MO9/18 is a reference used for ministers' private offices. The contents are usually documents relating to the answering of PQs (Parliamentary Questions) and Parliamentary Enquiries (PEs).

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Nick Pope Here's the link:

http://www.parliament.uk/.../writ.../Lords/2015-06-24/HL796/

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John F Burroughs Question why didn't you just brief Lord Black on what the M09/18 documents were all about?

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000619120297



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xx Re: Bentwaters Discussion Heating Up Again
« Reply #6 on: Jun 20th, 2017, 5:13pm »

I've always had my doubts about Burroughs.

The following adds to my suspicions.

... I will be forced to show some of the emails that have taken place between us.

And he goes on to completely blow away any semblance of credibility he may have once had.

There is, or so I have always believed, an unwritten agreement that one NEVER publishes the contents of Emails without the other persons permission.

Burroughs has proven himself untrustworthy in even this simple thing.

Why should we trust him in anything else ?

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« Reply #7 on: Jun 20th, 2017, 6:27pm »

"I've always had my doubts about Burroughs."


Me too, Hal
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