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xx John Ventre May Have Destroyed MUFON
« Thread started on: May 25th, 2017, 2:45pm »

Unacknowledged is Not Complicit

I am writing this as the Mutual UFO Network State Director for Washington. This letter is written because I believe it would be wrong for me to remain silent about John Ventre’s recent comments on social media; those comments have been characterized as racist, offensive and inflammatory. At the very least these comments are extremely unprofessional and whether those in charge agree or not, I do not believe the public will keep Mr. Ventre’s rant separate from his status as a MUFON State Director.

Two things occurred to me today that delivered the message very clearly that I should not be a silent, obedient, and thus a complicit MUFON State Director on this issue. First, I spoke with a leader in this field who pointed out that there comes a point where State Directors should not remain silent. Shortly afterwards, I received a welcome call from a lady Joanne and I met in Eureka Springs whose son lives in the Pacific Northwest. She promised that if she visited her son that we would meet. She happens to be black. My friends are all mixed up by way of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Respect and compassion count; the rest of it is decoration when it comes to the question of what determines the worth of each person.

Today I started asking myself to what degree I am racist if I tolerate conduct from others that is hurtful and evil. The answer was obvious. In 1987, I joined MUFON out of a genuine love for the study of UFOs. That passion for the subject is even stronger now. In 30 years of study I don’t have many answers, but I am certain that if humanity is ever going to be ready to meet our Visitors openly, then we need to treat each other much better than we have demonstrated so far.

Words and ideas have great power. Humans all bleed the same way, but humanity sure manages to figure out a whole lot of arbitrary distinctions just so one group can pretend to be superior to another. Social media has the power to instantly change the focus and perception of untold numbers of people.

And it does not matter if perceptions are true and accurate or not, only that they are persuasive. I do not agree with Mr. Harzan that a simple declaration that John Ventre’s comments are not related to his special status in MUFON will eliminate the harm that this incident has done to MUFON’s reputation.

I was a police officer for 20 years. People judge all police officers by their last contact with any officer whether it was good or bad. It’s not fair, but it is human nature. This is more especially true if that officer, or in this case, State Director, has a special status in the organization. I have read and re-read Mr. Ventre’s remarks; racist is the only conclusion I can draw. I don’t want to be judged by someone else’s malicious attitude, or by an institutional policy of pretending this conduct is acceptable.

Even though I am just another unacknowledged “volunteer,” I cannot help but express the opinion that Mr. Ventre should resign from his directorship for the good of MUFON, or failing that he should be removed. I am expecting nothing by adding my opinion to this controversy, but I will state for the record, I am absolutely opposed to racism, or prejudice based upon anyone’s race, religion, gender or sexual orientation. It is a behavior that will not be tolerated in Washington State MUFON.

I am sorry that we seem to have reached a point where the Headquarters and the VIPs in MUFON have a relationship to the rest of us volunteers, not unlike that of Washington, DC to the average American. There seems to be a disconnect that no one knows how to bridge.

Respectfully,
James E Clarkson
MUFON Washington State SD


I am writing to take a stand against racial intolerance. A MUFON spokesman has written reprehensible remarks against people of color. MUFON's failure to remove a hateful bigot from a position of power should not be tolerated. Any organization that tacitly supports racial intolerance is not consistent with my values. I will ponder my next step and await MUFON's decision.

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FROM THE ANOMALIST: MUFON Under Fire for PA Director's Absurd Racist Rant


A short while ago comments appeared on long-time MUFON Pennsylvania State Director John Ventre's Facebook page regarding a NetFlix show that Mr. Ventre found objectionable. Side remarks on the post, which has since been deleted from Ventre's site, have raised the ire of many in the UFO field. Sharon Hill includes that "racist rant" and comments about the "avoidance response" by MUFON's Executive Director Jan Harzan at MUFON Reaction to Recent Social Media Postings.

Hill's perspective should be supplemented by Regan Lee's take entitled MUFON's John Ventre and Acceptance of the Repugnant. The angry replies to Harzan's insensitive and off-the-point "non-pology" made by people such as Greg Bishop, Philip Mantle, Lon Strickler, Michael Huntington, et al. have been removed from the MUFON site. This action also erased statements by MUFON's Roger Marsh that Ventre was removed from producing the 2018 MUFON Symposium; replaced as a Journal columnist; that his books were "pulled from the MUFON store"; and that he "has been censored in MUFON." Pursuant to this, Fringe New Jersey informs that "As a result of all this outrageous crap" Nick Redfern has told MUFON he will no longer write his monthly column for their magazine, and has "severed ties with them."

Whatever the case about the show that incited Mr. Ventre's remarks, his side charges are racist, obscene, and evince a profoundly deplorable misunderstanding of history, not to say of acceptable research method. The matter is certainly one of the most disgraceful episodes this reviewer has noted in more than 25 years of involvement in ufology.

Mr. Harzan's statement, particularly given the roles that Mr. Ventre has been given within the MUFON organization, seem disengaged and do nothing to contradict the impression that the organization is rudderless in its mission, save in its pursuit of the almighty dollar. This may be reinforced if claims are true that a promo picture for the upcoming International Symposium, which just appeared in our email box, is in fact hoaxed.

The loss of Redfern's talents will certainly affect the value of MUFON's e-Journal. And, absent a clear clarification by MUFON's leadership of its intolerance for and condemnation of racism, made necessary by the extraordinarily ineffective and off-point response by its Executive Director, Nick will definitely not be the last person to end a formal association with the organization. (WM)"

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« Reply #1 on: May 26th, 2017, 4:33pm »

You are broke down on a highway and have spent many long hours in the sub zero cold of a winter's night when a car rolls up.
On the front bumper is a sticker you find offensive.
Do you get in where it's warm or curse the person for not being politically correct and send him on his way?
At what point dos political correctness become stupidity?
Are you a thief if you see someone steal something and take no personal action to stop them?
Are you a liar if you hear someone make a false statement and do not immediately speak out against them?
No you are not any of these things you are only a witness to them.
People in the US have a right to free speech and freedom of association.
You can choose to say what you want and be with whom ever you please. But when you start to think of casting others out of the group because you don't agree with them you walk a fine line between freedom of choice and becoming the thought police.
Better you walk away yourself than to climb on your high horse and declare a claim to the moral high ground. When you stand on that pedestal you suddenly become a clear target yourself.
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« Reply #2 on: May 26th, 2017, 4:51pm »

We are free to choose who we live with, who we work with, and who we associate with. I read John Ventre's post. I choose not to associate with him; I choose not to associate with anyone who continues to associate with him.

The fact that he may have freedom of speech does not impact my decision in any way, shape, or form.

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« Reply #3 on: May 27th, 2017, 4:47pm »

Excellent point.
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 6th, 2017, 2:45pm »

on May 26th, 2017, 4:33pm, skizicks wrote:
You are broke down on a highway and have spent many long hours in the sub zero cold of a winter's night when a car rolls up.
On the front bumper is a sticker you find offensive.
Do you get in where it's warm or curse the person for not being politically correct and send him on his way?
At what point dos political correctness become stupidity?
Are you a thief if you see someone steal something and take no personal action to stop them?
Are you a liar if you hear someone make a false statement and do not immediately speak out against them?
No you are not any of these things you are only a witness to them.
People in the US have a right to free speech and freedom of association.
You can choose to say what you want and be with whom ever you please. But when you start to think of casting others out of the group because you don't agree with them you walk a fine line between freedom of choice and becoming the thought police.
Better you walk away yourself than to climb on your high horse and declare a claim to the moral high ground. When you stand on that pedestal you suddenly become a clear target yourself.

With all due respect, it sounds like you’re talking in a code that you secretly hope no one understands.

Your response appears to have nothing to do with this situation. There are no emergencies here, no on was on the side of the road and stranded…

This was an event where an official who is supposed to be a trusted spokesman made several ‘untrue’ statements. Yes, they were also offensive and racist…but they are also FALSE.

None of what he stated was correct by a long shot. But this is the Fox News / Talk Radio tactic thats been used for decades…. LIE about stuff, and then as soon as someone challenges that lie, scream “political correctness”.

The issue here is not political correctness…which means NOTHING anyway until you put it into context. Its a relative term that can mean anything to anyone at anytime…depending on what context its put in. GE Kinkaid found evidence of an Egyptian colony in the Grand Canyon, but the information was covered up the the SI, and denied ever since…thus…it is not “politically correct” to state Egypt visited the North American continent. You see? Define your terms.

This issue is about being CORRECT..or at least making an effort.

As a MUFON official who was organizing events to inform the people, he stated racist untruths, and as a result demonstrated his pure incompetence to even speak about ufology in a responsible way. With disclosure accelerating, he will be even less legitimate…. Disclosure will inevitably deal with the races and how they came to be here, including the ET influences all along. If he can’t, as an official, prevent himself from spouting LIES, he should not speak for MUFON. Has nothing to do with some twisted idea of pc. If its an emergency, and I see two cars…Id rather get in the one with the driver that actually knows how to drive! In this case, this man should not be at the wheel…

Free speech with responsibility...especially if his job now is to help the masses understand the deeper aspects of ufology and disclosure. This can't be done by railroading other races into some kind of "animal" status. If he has an issue with a specific production on Netflix, he can contact the writers, producers, etc. to get more of an understanding and to hear his concerns. Instead, he chose to label an entire group of people as animals, and for him to speak officially for MUFON in times of disclosure is a travesty...unless he changes his tune.
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 6th, 2017, 6:48pm »

this reminds me of that nobel winner guy who worked on the dna helix..dared make a suggestion iq and race may be related..and was literally run out of town...sad..cause his work stood buy itself..
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