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UFOs and Aliens
Post by B J Booth on Sep 25th, 2002, 09:16am

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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by The Traveler on Sep 27th, 2002, 1:14pm

I would like to know where all the pictures of UFOs come from, and are they real, or are most of them fakes. Some really look like UFOs to me.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rocketman on Sep 27th, 2002, 10:31pm

About the pictures...I think that each one has to be evaluated on its own merits according to the facts of that case. There is no doubt that some of them are really some kind of unknown flying crafts.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Merlin on Sep 28th, 2002, 11:25am

Hi there i just wanted to say hi to everyone and i look forward to reading all the threads and postings.


regards

Rich C grin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by B J Booth on Sep 28th, 2002, 11:45am

Nice to have you aboard!.. Thanks for joining in.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Merlin on Sep 28th, 2002, 11:56am

Ok in the hope to provoke a converation on aliens ufo's and the such i thought i'd let you guys know my personal thoughts on the subject.

Well this is how it is i think the human race is a giant experiment we are all being obsereved and monitored all the time. Like a zoo these people have been reporting abductions for many years and when they have been abducted they all say they have been medically examined and some have been "Chipped" pretty much like we do to whales or birds or elephants so we can veiw their migration or living habits. I genuinely think that these ufo's are just observing there experiment like we do in these large game parks in Africa. Ok you may wonder what has made me come to this conclusion well i think going back millions of years earth was visited by some alien race and they found a very young planet with creatures niot very advanced down the evolutionary way. I think they decided to take the creature that most looked like themselves had the most likely hood of improvement the most intelligence etc which turned out to be apes. They performed some sort of genetic experiement of some apes maybe crossing some of their dna with that of the apes and then they cleared off to view from a safe distance. We aare the direct result of those dna experiments and they are still viewing thier handywork and when we come across ufo's it's these little guys checking up on us. I also think now and again they will throw in something to see what happens like the idea of fire, the wheel, flight, computers etc etc to see how we adapt. I am probaly miles off here and i have probably upset the religious of you but i'm here to be convinced otherwise.

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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by alieneve on Sep 28th, 2002, 8:37pm

I understand what you are saying to a point. That is a theory that alot of people believe in. I really don't know for sure. but there does seem to be evidence of our planet being visited many years ago, and in many different places around the Earth.

Hello to everyone!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Merlin on Sep 29th, 2002, 1:31pm

Do you think we will be one day invaded like in the movie independence day?/??


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by B J Booth on Sep 30th, 2002, 9:15pm

on Sep 27th, 2002, 1:14pm, thetraveler wrote:
I would like to know where all the pictures of UFOs come from, and are they real, or are most of them fakes. Some really look like UFOs to me.


The pictures on the UFO Casebook come from many sources. Some come from the internet, some are scanned from books, magazines, etc. Some are sent to me. We do not claim that ALL of the pictures are UFOs, but we are sure that some of them are. I hope that answers your question.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by unknownplanet on Oct 1st, 2002, 10:51am

I am a UFO nut. I am skeptical, though, and dig through all the facts of a case before I make my mind up. I know that our government is hiding info from its citizens, and I do believe that we have already been contacted by an intelligence from another world. I am so glad that you have made this board here.

The UFO Casebook is my favorite internet site for UFO information. The video collection you have is by far and away the largest on the internet bar none. I have watched at least a 100 of them, and have a bunch more to go. I intend on seeing everyone of them. I want to say hi to all the other members, and I will tell my friends about this board too.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Louise on Oct 11th, 2002, 12:25am

Hello Unknown, and welcome, I like what you said, it's good to get ALL the facts before making a view known, and I must say..I am a NUT! But I'm not crazy!
I'm one of the types of people that like to get to the nuts and bolts of the issues...THUS MY NUTS! kiss

I look forward to seeing you and your friends post here! You say you like BJ's Video's well once I send him more he will have tons of them onhand for all to watch...

L&L
Louise
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Louise on Oct 11th, 2002, 12:40am

oops, I can't seen to get the picture up...
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Louise on Oct 11th, 2002, 12:42am

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Happy Halloween Everyone
UFO report from 18th century
Post by Merlin on Oct 11th, 2002, 4:44pm

1783: UFOs OVER ENGLAND

While the general public tends to think of UFOs as a
relatively modern phenomenon--only 55 years old--the
majority of ufologists are aware that there have been
waves of UFO sightings throughout recorded history.
One such flap took place in the late Eighteenth
Century, at the end of the War of the American
Revolution. And it has been superbly researched and
documented by UK historian Robert Halliday.
The UFO cases were "reported in The Bury Post, a
weekly newspaper that started publication the previous
year (1782) in the market town of Bury St. Edmunds,"
Suffolk, UK "and circulated in Suffolk, Norfolk and
Cambridgeshire."
"The Bury Post devoted considerable coverage to the
meteor sightings between 21 August and 4 September 1783;
although this expression is not really satisfactory, for
even at the time it was generally agreed that the
sightings didn't correspond with conventional meteors,
and few people suggested that this is what they were."
"The description of the meteor's passage over "The
White Horse Inn, five miles (8 kilometers) from Bury, on
the road to Newmarket," first appeared in The Bury Post
on 28 August 1783. The White Horse Inn stands just south
of the village of Risby, although it was bypassed when
the main Bury St. Edmunds-to-Newmarket road was rerouted
in 1975."
"Another account was quoted from Bury St. Edmunds.
Between 9 and 10 p.m., a ball of light was seen on the
north horizon approaching Angel Hill, one of the main
public squares. After 30 seconds it discharged into
smaller lights and broke into three glowing balls, all of
equal size to the original. Passing southwards, these
disappeared after 40 seconds (the horizon being
restricted by buildings--R.H.) A minute or two later, a
rumbling noise was heard. A boy drawing water from a
well in the cellar of a house on Angel Hill heard
rumbling below the water at the same time."
(Editor's Comment: Next question--how did the site get
the name "Angel Hill?" Were unusual entities seen there
in the distant past?)
"The Bury Post's representative for Thetford,
Norfolk (whose population in 1780 was about 2,000--J.T.)
was standing on the town bridge at about 9:15 p.m. when
the structure shook under him. His description of what
happened next is quoted verbatim:"
"'About a minute after, perceived in the northwest
something resembling the moon, which appeared to rise out
from a cloud. This fiery meteor proceeded in a
semicircular form (path or trajectory--J.T.), in a very
rapid state towards southeast when it disappeared. At
first appearance it seemed like so many stars proceeding
from a skyrocket, but much larger; just before it
descended, it appeared twenty yards in length and
separated itself into particles resembling small cones,
about the size of a turkey's egg.'"
(Editor's Comment: Sounds like an alien starship self-
destructing beyond Earth's atmosphere, and the passengers
and crew taking to the escape pods.)
"'The atmosphere was so much illuminated that he
could see to take up a pin; several persons found their
houses and the earth much agitated; he supposed it to be
a small shock of an earthquake.'"
"Another light was seen at Ixworth, six miles (10
kilometers) northeast of Bury St. Edmunds. Ixworth is a
large village, with a population of 827 in the 1801
Census, and the meteor's passage seems to have been
observed by the entire community. The Bury Post's
description of the events at Ixworth reads:"
"'About moon-rising, a fiery meteor made its
appearance, moving very slow, so as nearly to brush the
tops of the houses, in a direction from north to south
(leaving a long train of flame in its passage--R.H.) and
seemed to grow larger as it proceeded; but whilst over
the village appeared to the many who viewed it with great
amazement, to be as large as a bushel measure, and the
light occasioned thereby, was so great that a pin might
have been taken from the ground at the instant. Those
who were on the southerly side of the village saw it
burst in pieces over a meadow there; forming the
appearance of many stars falling. This phenomenon was
followed by a rumbling noise in the air, seemingly very
low, and was heard for some moments by great numbers, and
at the same time, many windows were observed to shake.'"


regards
Merlin


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by BettyHill on Oct 15th, 2002, 5:12pm

Yes, you are correct there merlin, the UFO mystery goes way back, probably further than we even know.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Louise on Oct 18th, 2002, 2:26pm

First off I would like to welcome our new member Betty to the group and I look forward to some of your thoughts on the issues...

You are quite right in saying that they have been here for a very long time...
There is a book out that is WELL worth the money, it's over 500 pages long, and I was honored when the Author "Patrick Cooke" made a dedication to me in this most wonder work...

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The Greatest Deception - The Bible UFO Connection


Book Review....
The idea that extraterrestrials were the "gods" of ancient religious and mythological texts is not new. Even before the hugely popular books by Von Daniken, authors like Brinsley Le Poer Trench were mining the same vein in 'The Sky People', and more recently have been works like 'The Many Waters'by Lauretta Lueck and the revelatory 'The Yahweh Encounters'by Ann Madden Jones. With the publication of 'The Greatest Deception', author Patrick Cooke provides what may arguably be the capstone to this series of intellectual inquiries. While resisting the tendency of others to offer subjective interpretation, he lets the facts make the compelling case for the true meaning of Biblical writings: that mankind (and the planet's biosphere) are the products of technologically advanced beings, and that organized religion has purposely been deceiving humanity from the outset regarding this truth, and what it portends for the future.

The book is divided into four main sections. In the first section (The Bible Connection), the author painstakingly documents passages from the Bible (King James version), with attribution, to show conclusively that these were efforts to depict high technology by writers in a "primitive and no-tech time." He offers specific, Biblical language to demonstrate descriptions of vehicles, flight, technology of the Gods, technology of life and the Immortals (super beings). A typical example (of flight): Zechariah 5:1 "Then I turned, and lifted mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. 2. And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth ten cubits."

In the second section (The Historical Connection), the author presents a chronological summary of high-tech craft (UFOs) throughout history, UFO quotations from prominent people and various UFO-related military and scientific projects.

Part three (The World Connection) includes fascinating accounts of terrestrial anomalies, anomalous constructions, human anomalies and the world's gods. The cumulative effect of this section is to nail the coffin shut on the specious, illogical "explanations" perpetrated by mainstream science, academia and governments. The fallacy of evolution is rendered particulary bankrupt of legitimacy.

The fourth and final section (Bible Misconceptions) unmasks the purposeful deception by organized religion regarding the true meaning of scripture, and the lessons imparted to man by the Elohiym and their leader, Yhovah (God)and the reasons for the deception. The reasons, of course, are "greed and lust for power."
What, then, is the "greatest deception?" That UFOs and 'aliens' are the modern-day manifestations of Satan. As Mr. Cooke accurately notes, "The religious community as a whole has one generic approach to the current debate over the UFO phenomenon; it is Satan's deception..." (for a veritable textbook example of this perversion, read 'Alien Encounters' by Missler and Eastman)
No, UFOs are not Satan's minions. They may well be, however, the signs of Jesus' return, as prophesied in the Bible. "The only admonition to watch the skies for anything is the declaration that that is where the returning Christ will first appear."

This book provides an invaluable tool to assist critically thinking people to unchain themselves from the self-promoting, cynical and manipulative deceptions foisted upon humankind by the religious dogmatists. Kudos to Mr. Cooke.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by The Traveler on Oct 27th, 2002, 3:40pm

thanks alot for the info on this.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by babystinky on Nov 11th, 2002, 7:03pm

I wanted to post about my UFO sighting.

It occured in the Late 70's around 77 in Toronto.
There were a lot of Military planes and helcopters out, I believe it was sometime in April.

As I recall there were about hundred people or so in the parking lot near where I lived, I had gone out for a walk, and it was around 11:30 at night.

The people caught my attention and soon after I saw very very Low a saucer like craft, flying Low, No sound just somekind of slight wind noise, it had weird light patterns on it and underneath it, and the vehicle changed shapes!

To make a long story short, a lot of the Military Helicopters and planes flew near it, but this thing just zoomed off in an instant.

It remained high in the sky, looking like a REd Star, for about several hours. I believe the direction it was in was around the Pickering Power Plant near Toronto in Pickering Ontario.

I also Saw stars, or what looked like stars there were about 5 of them, and they just seemed to split apart, and join together over and over again.

It was really strange and I have no Logical explanation.

I think it is possible it was a "Black Project" of the Military but I am not so sure why?

The thing I found really strange was not the sighting itself, but the lack of hearing about it in the local Media considering the amount of Eyewitness's?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by B J Booth on Nov 13th, 2002, 11:39am

Very interesting report. We have since this post created a Canadian board. It is a possibility that hbccufo might have this sighting reported by someone in archives somewhere.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rob on Nov 17th, 2002, 02:55am

I`ve got a bit of stuff from the late 70`s for Ontario, but nothing on pickering Power Plant. A few in Toronto. Many thanks Babystinky, I`m going to print this one and add it to mine.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by babystinky on Nov 20th, 2002, 4:27pm

rob

I was living at that time right near Don Mills and York Mills, there is a hill there going north on York Mills, then the street was Roywood. Now when the *craft* flew off it went high and became a Star, it looked to be in the direction of the Power Plant.

Pickering is still a way off the vicinity ,but it did look to be in that direction(guesstimate the power plant), at that point it was just a Star, a Red One.
The main part of this is How Low the craft got, Military craft very busy that night, it was really strange.

The other part I saw was what looked like a star split apart and rejoin over and over again, and meeting up with the Red Object later that night.

I am convinced that either this is the Military or Alein Tech from somwhere or something along those lines.

The craft made very little noise, if anything when it was low it just made what sounded like a whirring sound, it looked very strange, and I have often wondered, if this is Military why would they test this over an area which is populated with enough people to see it, very close to Toronto?

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Louise on Nov 28th, 2002, 12:46pm

Hey Stinky; Very interesting, can I ask you when did this happen?
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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by babystinky on Nov 29th, 2002, 7:22pm

Louise

It happened around 1977, or '78. I believe it was in the spring of '77 though. It was in the late seventies for sure. One thing I know for sure, it was before Close Encounters~the movie, because it was a reference that me and my family used as a reference, so it was before Encounters, I think about a year before.

I know that night "other people" saw it, there was a sizeable crowd, so I know for sure there are 'others' out there.

I just wonder to this day, if it was a "Covert Black Project" or the Real thing?


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rocketman on Dec 1st, 2002, 4:07pm

thanks for the reports, and as to your question, hey, it's a good one to which I don't have an answer.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Louise on Dec 3rd, 2002, 11:35am

Hey Baby, you go me on that one but it was interesting to read about it..it must be in 77' like you said cause the movie came out in that year, so I guess 78 would be out...


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rob on Dec 5th, 2002, 09:01am

Sorry Baby, cannot find anything about this one, so Ive added it to my files. Thanks.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rocketman on Dec 7th, 2002, 9:15pm

Here is one I haven't heard about either. Thanks for the info
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by B J Booth on Dec 12th, 2002, 10:29pm

I know that for some time, the inter-planetary travel theory has seemed totally outlandish, and I don't see it getting any closer to acceptance. Even today the energy needs, the technological stability, the known wear and tear, and all the other things make it seem unfeasible. After some thirty odd years of setting foot on the Moon, we can't put a ship in orbit around Mars. To travel vast distances much further away than Mars just doesn't seem possible.

I have for a time now believed that we are being visited by other intelligences from another dimension. I have not given a great deal of thought to the time travel thing, but I have not ruled it out either. I can honestly say that it seems within the realm of believability. The fact that alot of the craft seem to be as much light or energy as nut and bolts gives a lot of weight to this theory. In a sense, they are slipping through, appearing and disappearing. This could be time just as well as distance or a parallel universe.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Arion on Dec 13th, 2002, 08:17am

BJ, I concur. It fits our preconceptions (cultural ones, primarily influenced by literature, movies, etc.) that these visitors come "from a galaxy far, far away." As you stated so well, however, this answer doesn't fit any scientific (physical) model, even the most "outside of the box" ones. Perhaps one of the best illustrations of this is the fact that evidence points to such visitations occuring thousands of years ago - yet, the appearance and actions of the "spaceships" has changed little if any. One would think that a culture already far more technically advanced than our own would continue to evolve. For example, even in a society as young as our own, there are very few Model T's on the road!

When we think about the scientific reality that nothing is actually solid - everything we perceive as physical is a mass of atoms vibrating at a certain rate - then the idea of co-existing lifeforms within the same space (and perhaps time) becomes far more plausable. In fact, time is, to a certain extent, a man made construct. What if it isn't linear, but rather, holographic. Folding back on itself? I read a great line awhile back that went like this: Time is something we invented to keep things from happening all at once.

If my chair is only a chair because the atoms that form it are vibrating at a certain rate, then it follows that the chair is closer to a fluid than a solid. What happens if I somehow change the rate of vibration? If my perception (thought?) is the builder, that would make atoms the Legos of this dimension. Does my intention that it BE a chair, together with the observers perception that it IS a chair, make it a chair? If I knew how to control the interaction between the two, might I be able to change it into something all together different? If atomic particles, again, being less than microscopic, could be spread, would we be able to pass objects through other objects like sand through a seive?

Just some tnoughts. I love the analogy that we're tuned to this particular radio station on the cosmic dial, but that there are many, many more. Perhaps the visitors discovered long ago how to "scan" the dial!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by B J Booth on Dec 13th, 2002, 12:23pm

Some very good observations. So many UFO reports have included actions of the craft and beings that are "beyond our capability" Disturbing as this idea is to hard data science, if it happened, it really happened somehow. That means that the other intelligence possesses knowledge beyond ours, and just because we can't do these things, doesn't mean they can't be done. This is something we must take to heart, and not use the old debunker's code,

"it can't happen, therefore it didn't"
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Merlin on Dec 14th, 2002, 1:32pm

I watched a programe tonight on the Discovery-SCi-trek channel called Science of the Impossible it delbt with life in space and whether it exsisted it spoke with many leading scientists who mostly agreed that there is lif out there even if it's only microbs the programe tryed to work out what aliens might look like working out how there home planet enviroment would shape there evolution thought they did sa that if you ran evolution again on earth you wouldnt necessary ly get the same result Towards the end it deblt breifly with the UFO sighting
s and abductions and according to these scientists we are all having dilusions aleins have never visted earth and all these sightings are from people who are going through a hard time in there life and there brain conjures up these imagies. Well we had to expect the program makers to go the saft route and ridicule us. If the program is shown in the US or where ever i suggest you watch it it was quite interesting although the bit at the end spoilt the program but hey you can't have everything.

Regards Merlin


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Jenny on Dec 14th, 2002, 4:34pm

For some reason as I was reading your post I was reminded of the Drake Equation. If you aren't familiar with it there's some good info at Seti's site at:
http://www.seti-inst.edu/science/drake-bg.html


Jenny


Your source for Wisconsin
UFO Sightings & Information:
http://www.ufowisconsin.com
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Louise on Dec 16th, 2002, 5:10pm

STAR TREK PERSONALITY TEST

To which of the Star Trek alien races
are you most similar? (Physical appearance not with standing.) Answer
the following questions with the first answer that comes to you, and
then tally up the score to find the character of your "inner alien".

1. When a friend accidentally bumps their head,
I am compelled to:

A) laugh.

B) analyse and explain the nature of the accident to them, and suggest
possible ways to avoid such mishaps in the future.

C) search the area for drops of their blood.

D) do what I can to further insure their demise.


2. When I see a cute, cuddly animal, I want to:

A) eat it.

B) observe it to catalogue biological information.

C) kill, stuff, and sell it.

D) devise a way to implant it with powerful explosives to be delivered
to unsuspecting victims.

3. When I am angry, I most often:

A) challenge the person who has angered me to a duel of honor.

B) get in touch with the nature of the offense and rationalize the
situation.

C) blame someone more successful than I.

D) take it out on someone weaker than I.


4. When I become sexually aroused, I:

A) assail my beloved with erotic punches.

B) remind myself that my reproductive pattern comes in seven year
cycles.

C) try to find ways to satisfy my desires and make a profit at the same
time.

D) conquer and subdue the object of my desire.


5. As I look toward the future, I envision a world:

A) kneeling before me in adoration of my honor.

B) in the orderly continuation of existing physical and bio-rhythmic
patterns.

C) that I can buy and sell with my personal wealth.

D) of only me, me, ME!


Scoring your results.

If you chose only "A" answers,
you are a Klingon.

If you chose only "B" answers,
you are a Vulcan.

If you chose only "C" answers,
you are a Ferengi.

If you chose only "D" answers,
you are a Republican.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by alieneve on Dec 16th, 2002, 9:45pm

Hey, I am Republican, but I didn't want to be...LOL
thanks Lousie
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Louise on Dec 17th, 2002, 07:20am

That's funny cheesy Hey the Democrates didn't even make it in there..goes to show you where I'm at...(NO PUN INTENDED GUYS)
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rob on Feb 1st, 2003, 6:53pm

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Yes, I agree with that. For example: if light speed travel is totaly improbable to us, The chances are that its just as improbable any other race in the infinite regeions of space. I personally think we are giving way to much credit to other speices in the gallaxy, and the credit for this is based on the fact that they would have to travel mega distances just to reach us. Therefore, it is more plausable in my mind that it has to be more of an inter-dimentional travlel thing, than flying at incredible speeds through the gallaxy. Lets not forget that the speeds that we travel at now takes an horrendous toll on our body`s, and if the average alien is , as reported in most cases smaller than us, surley it would take an even greater toll on them. Come on lets hear your theorys on this, if anyone has any.
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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rob on Feb 2nd, 2003, 7:35pm

Anybody, wether they are a member or a guest that would like to sign the condolences book for the shuttle disaster, would they please go to announcements at the top of the board.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AbductedSoul on Feb 4th, 2003, 2:00pm

cool Well now our goverment seems to be getting ready to unload the big one on us, as if we did not know already ! I pulled this from a AOL news room today. Maybe the pressure is getting to them snicker snicker. Well here it is right from the top:

BUSH BACKS SPACE ALIENS EVIDENCE (AOL News)

GEORGE W Bush says there is mounting evidence to suggest there is alien life on other planets.


The US President used his budget document to declare that there may be "space aliens" to be discovered. A passage entitled, "Where are the Real Space Aliens?", states that important scientific research over the last 10 years indicates that proof of "habitual worlds" in outer space is becoming more of a reality.


Evidence for the current or previous existence of large bodies of water, an essential element for life, has already been found on Mars and on Jupiter's moons. Astronomers are also discovering planets outside of our solar system, including around 90 stars with at least one planet orbiting them.


The document says: "Perhaps the notion that 'there's something out there' is closer to reality than we have imagined."
I find this interesting in light of recent events concerning NASA and the Columbia
Well there it is for what it is worth. Peace and Safety AbductedSoul
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rob on Feb 4th, 2003, 8:51pm

Hey Soulman, here is an extract from a post that Louise done quite somtime ago.

In an E-mail to this author Huffer stated the following,

"Today as This afternoon, 4 November 2002, President George W.
Bush attended a Republican Campaign Rally at the Northwest
Regional Airport (XNA) in Northwest Arkansas. After the rally
was over, while on the way to Air Force One, President Bush
shook hands with some of the people at the rally. My hand was
one of those. I took the opportunity to remind President Bush
that he had promised ME over two years ago that he would tell us
the truth about UFOs. I then asked if he intended to keep that
promise. He answered: 'Yes'".

"Unfortunately, this time I did not have my recorder with me so
this report is no better than hearsay. But it did happen."

It looks to me as if he is trying to keep his promise to Louise, but he`s making a slow job of it! cry


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Louise on Feb 5th, 2003, 07:38am

Rob, you know yourself that when a mouse is put into a corner by a cat they would say ANYTHING to get out of there! I feel this just may be one of those days..but he will be watched carefully by us all...lets see if these promises will be kept, just like all the others before him (yea right)

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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by starship22 on Feb 5th, 2003, 4:17pm

I don't know what it would take to get governments to come out with the truth, but I don't believe we will see it for a long long time
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AbductedSoul on Feb 5th, 2003, 7:58pm

cool Well We must remember that he is controled by the behind the scenes groups. I just finished a paper on that little nasty group skull and bones from Yale University fame. Well that has nothing to do with this.. ( who am I kidding lol ) Well anyway I think just that release is a start but then I am eternally optomistic, Look for the small good things and all that Peace and Safety AbductedSoul
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Backlit on Feb 5th, 2003, 9:24pm

Secrecy is like a contraceptive with a 98.96 % effective rate... sooner or later the truth will be born out.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AbductedSoul on Feb 5th, 2003, 10:44pm

cool Agreed Backlit Hamlet..Foul deeds will rise though all the earth rise to overwhelm them from men's eyes (Paraphrased) I was boggled as to where I read about a President wanting to tell the public about UFOS before. Well I was reading a book and having tea when it cam to me so here it is for your enjoyment

President John F. Kennedy and the UFOs
Was JFK silenced for knowing too much?
by Jim Marrs
President John F. Kennedy may have had more than the usual knowledge about UFOs, according to several credible sources.

Further support for Kennedy’s high-level knowledge regarding UFOs came from a former steward aboard Air Force One who told of a cryptic remark by President Kennedy.

Bill Holden, who also served as loadmaster for Air Force One, traveled with Kennedy to Europe in the summer of 1963. He said a UFO conference in Bonn, Germany, prompted a discussion of the subject aboard the President’s plane one morning.

Holden said he turned to Kennedy and asked, "What do you think about UFOs, Mr. President?" He said Kennedy became quite serious and thought for a moment before replying, "I’d like to tell the public about the alien situation, but my hands are tied."

A controversial MJ-12 document titled "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit Summary," noted Kennedy’s insider knowledge. This document, apparently written soon after the crashes in New Mexico during July 1947, states, "It has become known to CIC [Counter Intelligence Corps] that some of the recovery operation was shared with Representative John F. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat elected to Congress in ’46, Son of Joseph P. Kennedy, Commission on Organization of the Executive Branch of the Government. [Jack] Kennedy had limited duty as naval officer assigned to Naval Intelligence during the war. It is believed that information [concerning the Roswell crashes] was obtained from [a] source in Congress who is close to [the] Secretary for Air Force." Kennedy was the only Congressmen named who was aware of the truth of the Roswell incidents at the time.

Yet another document appears to be a memorandum written from President Kennedy to the director of the CIA regarding "Classification review of all UFO intelligence files affecting National Security." In this memo, Kennedy stated, "... I have initiated [blacked out] and have instructed [then NASA Administrator] James Webb to develop a program with the Soviet Union in joint space and lunar exploration. It would be very helpful if you would have the high threat cases reviewed with the purpose of identification of bona fide as opposed to classified CIA and USAF sources. It is important that we make a clear distinction between the knowns and unknowns in the event the Soviets try to mistake our extended cooperation as a cover for intelligence gathering of their defense and space programs.” Kennedy then asked for all files on "Unknowns" to be turned over the NASA authorities and an interim report be forwarded to the White House no later than Feb.1, 1964.

This document which clearly showed a president about to make UFO secrets available to wider circles in government and, hence, probably available to the public was dated Nov. 12, 1963, just 10 days before his Nov. 22 assassination in Dallas.

Desperately clinging to their UFO-free mindset, debunkers question this document’s authenticity while an unquestionably authentic document has been found in the John F. Kennedy Library.
continued next post......
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AbductedSoul on Feb 5th, 2003, 10:45pm

cool Continued from previous page..... National Security Action Memorandum No. 271 is titled "Cooperation with the USSR in Outer Space Matters" and is addressed to the Administrator of NASA, at that time James Webb.

This signed memo does not mention UFOs specifically, nevertheless, Kennedy instructs Webb to "assume personally the initiative and central responsibility within the Government for the development of a program of substantive cooperation with the Soviet Union in the field of outer space, including the development of specific technical proposals." Kennedy added that this plan was a direct result of "my September 20 proposal for broader cooperation between the United States and the USSR in outer space, including cooperation in lunar landing programs."

This incredible document was also dated Nov. 12, 1963, but who in 1963 would have believed that the United States and the Soviet Union would have been engaging in cooperative joint space operations? The White House log of that day showed that beginning at 2 p.m. Kennedy had lunch and then "no official appointments" but "conferred with various staff members during the afternoon." Obviously on this day, Kennedy had more than enough time to deal with space matters.

Also obvious is the fact that this apparent attempt to cooperate with the USSR ended with Kennedy’s death in Dallas. On through the administration of Ronald Reagan, we were still warned against the "evil empire" and the costly Cold War continued.

Opponents to JFK became frantic over his attempts to alter the course of previous U.S. policies. According to one knowledgeable source, Kennedy played a dangerous game, "... after making it clearly evident that he was not prepared to support action against the communists in the normal sense - plans to withdraw troops from South Vietnam - plans to fracture or abolish portions of the CIA; plans for expansion to the Justice System; failure to support the Bay of Pigs [invasion]; and a desire to share some of our most sensitive secrets with the Russians and Chinese - space borne platforms, etc... All during a time when his popularity was growing in leaps and bounds with the American public - a President who did not enjoy majority support at his election. A very dangerous situation, leaving few methods for control beyond assassination."

This same source went on to say, "I believe John F. Kennedy was appraised of, and had access to, sufficient classified information, to have personally come to the conclusion that UFOs and therefore possible alien life-forms were possibly extant within our solar system... I think Kennedy certainly came to this conclusion... and was looking to demonstrate not only mankind’s ability to come together for a common goal, but to formally demonstrate we could enter and conquer space as a species. Back then, some would have seen this as either crazy (if they had no access to the material) or (if they had access) very premature and possibly dangerous."
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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AbductedSoul on Feb 5th, 2003, 10:48pm

cool A whole JFK issue evolved around his planned speech at the Dallas Trade Mart, the destination of his ill-fated motorcade on Nov. 22, 1963. Several researchers and some tabloids have claimed that he planned to change his scheduled talk and referred to handwritten notes, which may have included comments regarding UFOs. These notes have never been made public and so continue to be fodder for theorists.

Spurred on by such tantalizing bits of evidence, some researchers even claimed that Kennedy’s assassination was to prevent him from revealing the news of extraterrestrial visitation to the public.

While this theory is certainly unproved and probably untrue, his willingness to end the Cold War and share our knowledge of outer space with our perceived enemies may have been the straw that broke the back of those within the Military-Industrial (and Intelligence) Complex. This group already thought the young president was "soft on communism" and a danger to their command and control structure.

With all the evidence now at hand, there can be little doubt that President Kennedy may have known more about UFOs than is generally believed.

If you would like to learn more factual information regarding UFOs and the U.S. Government’s program of denial and ridicule, read Alien Agenda. And don’t miss Jim Marrs’ new e-book on the U. S. Army’s top-secret remote viewing program titled Psi Spies. Both are available right here at AlienZoo. If you are interested in how UFOs connect to the "New World Order," be sure a get a copy of Jim Marrs’ latest book, Rule by Secrecy, now available in finer bookstores everywhere and online from Amazon.com.
Well there it is A little long but could be! Peace and Safety AbductedSoul
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by B J Booth on Feb 6th, 2003, 1:00pm

thanks for the excellent comments and information, a very interesting treatise.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AbductedSoul on Feb 8th, 2003, 01:09am

cool Thanks Bjbooth I want to get opinions on the starchild skull I think I have researched it exstensively but I want to hear opinions and see what you all think about it ! i would appreciate any references or websites that you think I may not have on it. Or that prove it is a hoax. It is recenlyt aquired the funds to have one and a half extensive dna tests done on it . What say ye hoax or not? Peace and safety AbductedSoul
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Arion on Feb 8th, 2003, 09:10am

Hello All -

I'm showing my ignorance here, what is the starchild skull? Sounds interesting, if you could post a link that would be great! Although in a different venue, I've always been fascinated by the crystal skulls and any anthropological / archealogical anomolies. Thanks!

Hope everyone is well,
arion
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rob on Feb 8th, 2003, 12:25pm

Please forgive me AS, but I am also ignorant to this. I would like to know more.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AbductedSoul on Feb 8th, 2003, 3:20pm

cool
The starchild skull is found here www.starchildproject.com or type in starchild in search. It is basically a skull believed to be half alien half human child found in Mexico well go read! It will be in London in March! Peace and Safety AbductedSoul
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Arion on Feb 8th, 2003, 7:58pm

Thanks for the link, very interesting and very professional. It's both sad and frustrating that finds like this don't get the serious attention and funding they deserve. Even if it turns out to be something very "earthy", at least we pursued the questions and learned something.

People ask where all the hard evidence is. There's probably lots of it right under our noses - in museum vaults, long forgotten storage crates and private collections. If "mainstream" science would just allow for the possibility that something might be more than it appears to be, the results might be truly astounding!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AbductedSoul on Feb 8th, 2003, 10:31pm

cool Arion The good news is they got the money for 1 and a half extensive DNA tests, they are still looking for the last half but we should know by June if it is half unknown half human DNA. As to my personal feelings if it is what they think, well let me say I will have to try very hard not to gloat and be filled with righteous anger at the misdeserved emotional abuse, intellectual abuse , defamation of character, and years of scorn and ridicule abductees have tolerated and suffered through, by the people that , that finding will fly in the face of. That is all I have to say about that. Peace and Safety AbductedSoul
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by redjedi on Feb 15th, 2003, 09:35am

The aliens are here now.I feel the need to alert everyone to it.I am circulating an top secret file to as many people as i can.Iv offered and sent it to a lot of people all over the world just through my chat room.I anyone would like a copy send me a msg.The majoraty of extra terrestrial and multidimensional visitors to our planet are just scientists obsverving.But i strongly recommend that if you see a ufo and are mesmerised by its beauty.........RUN LIKE HELL!tc fellow ufolagists.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by B J Booth on Feb 20th, 2003, 11:17am

I have done some reading on the skull, and I feel like it might turn out to be something of positive proof. If I had the money I would give it to them. I will keep my fingers crossed on this. Keep us informed of any updates.
thanks
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Backlit on Feb 20th, 2003, 11:52pm

Might be a step in evolution that did not quite make it. If it is a hybrid maybe E.T.'s figured out that this type of development would not work in tribal societies and this is why they operate in the manner they do now.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Mar 14th, 2003, 1:49pm

I recall another memorable experience with a U.F.O. it was during the day in July 1962 at exactly 3:40 PM and I was hurrying to my job as a clerk at the Grand Central Post Office. I recall the exact time because I had to punch my timecard to start work at 4 PM and I only had 20 minutes to meet this deadline. I was south of Lexington Avenue and East 42nd Street in Manhattan and walking very briskly while trying to dodge the heavy pedestrian traffic.
As I was looking straight ahead, I suddenly felt my skull in the back of my head had been removed in an area of about 5 inches in diameter. It felt to me as if I was having a lobotomy operation and I could feel the coolness inside my head and a loss of bone density in this area. This area of my head had become numb. This feeling of numbness was very similar to the feeling that one experiences when a foot or an arm “falls asleep” due to the pinching off of a nerve.

Then I saw with amazing clarity, as if I had an eye in this “missing” area of my head, a disk shaped spacecraft which I “knew” to be about 250 miles above the Earth. This craft was gently rocking back and forth as if in a gentle magnetic breeze. I was able to “see” into the interior of the spacecraft whose dimensions I sensed to be about 18 feet in diameter by about nine feet high.
I saw three “men” inside this craft. They all appeared to be about 5 ft. 7 inches tall. They all had white skin, black hair, gray eyes, and they all looked identical in appearance. They were each dressed in a gray colored mechanics type overall, which had no buttons or zippers or any apparent method of opening or closing this garment.
One “man” had his back to me and was seated on a raised plastic type molded chair. He was facing a crescent shaped keyboard of many different colored lights. This keyboard somehow reminded me of the music organ at Radio City Music Hall. I “knew” that this keyboard was the operating panel for the spaceship.
Another “man” was walking from the left side of the vessel toward the center. The third “man” was bent over a central support column which ran from the ceiling to the floor and made me think of the center axis of a gyroscope. He was peering into a black binocular type sighting device, which somehow reminded me of a Norden bomb-sight. I realized that he was watching me through this instrument.

Then I saw what looked like a steel cable coming from the bottom of the spacecraft and connecting to the back of my head, and although I knew it was not a physical cable, I sensed that it was to show me that a communication connection had been made from the spaceship to my brain. The cable followed my every movement as I dodged the human traffic on the street, and I felt that I was connected mentally to that spaceship.
During that day at work I tried to believe that this experience had really happened to me, but it was so unbelievable to me that my mind was inclined to dismiss it as an hallucination.
When I returned home that night after work, within a block of my house I saw a brilliant flash of silver light streak from one end of the sky to the other like the blurred movement of a silver colored metallic object. This silver light traveled across the sky at a speed almost too fast for the eye to follow. At this point I looked at my watch and I saw that the time was exactly 3:40 AM, exactly 12 hours after the UFO sighting experience. I took this to be a confirmation from the spacecraft that my experience had been real.

I welcome your comments. ircon1@adelphia.net http://users.adelphia.net/~ircon1/

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rob on Mar 25th, 2003, 09:01am

Nice to have you here Timetraveler. Thats one hell of an account. I found it very thought provoking. Will get back to you at your site. Many thanks and welcome to the Casebook.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rob on May 8th, 2003, 8:03pm

Does anyone else remember this case. This is pasted here from another site I go to. Its a pretty good read.

In December 1980, Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum and her grandson Colby Landrum, were driving along a road in Huffman,
Texas when they saw a bright light in the sky. Driving a little more along the road, they came across a large diamond
shaped UFO hovering over the road belching fire out of the bottom. Since the flames were blocking the road, they had to stop
the car about 65 yards away from the craft and the three of them got out. Vickie and Colby stayed by the car, whereas Betty
went on to get a closer look. She spent a long time gazing at it and her skin began to burn because of the heat from the flames.
She returned to the car when the object began to rise and a large number of unmarked black helicopters chased after the UFO
When they got home, they started suffering from sunburn,diarrhoea and vomiting. It has been claimed that the craft was a US attempt at making a UFO since it was spewing out flames at the bottom and was joined by many helicopters later on (See PROJECT SNOWBIRD).
From: http://www.yawp.com/3rd-i/rsrc/gloss/c/cash_land.html

Betty Cash, Vicki Landrum and Colby Landrum (Vicki's grandson), were driving back
from a restaurant towards Dayton, Texas.

At around 9.00pm they noticed a bright, fiery object directly ahead of them. The object suddenly descended to the
tree line and hovered over the road. They decided to stop the car, which was by now only about 50m away from the
object.

Vickie and Betty got out of the car to take a closer look, however Colby was becoming very distressed so Vickie
got back in the car with him. When Betty decided to try and get back into the car, she burnt her hand on the
metallic car door handle, even her wedding ring started to burn into her finger.

The object started on its way again and the women started to drive cautiously behind it. As they were driving
behind the object they suddenly noticed that the object was surrounded, as if being escorted, by some 20 or more
black unmarked helicopters (later identified as Chinooks).

The object and its helicopter 'groupies' soon departed out of range and the women made their way back home.
However, within a couple of hours all 3 started to become ill in various degrees.

Colby:
Sunburn on his face and swollen eyes.

Vicki:
Swollen eyes, sunburn and hair loss.

Betty:
Headaches, Vomiting, neck pains, sore eyes, blisters on scalp, hair loss.

The victims decided to take the US Government to court over the incident for medical compensation. Their
reasoning was that the craft must of been a secret new aircraft that had got into trouble and was being escorted by
the helicopters (the surrounding by helicopters is a well used military technique to ensure that if a craft goes down,
be it UFO or American plane, then the area would be sealed off right away),

The case lasted several years and in 1986 the court dismissed the case because the women could not prove that the
object in question was owned by the US Government.

Many researchers conclude that the court case was badly dealt with because the judge never meet any of the 3
victims and the evidence of the 20 Chinook helicopters was ignored.

It is now thought that what the victims witnessed was an experimental US Aircraft, which was either alien in origin,
or based on some nuclear propulsion system, and that this craft was experiencing difficulties. The helicopters were
there to seal the area off in case the craft had to land suddenly.



Additional Links:
The Cash - Landrum case.
P-Files #PF.UC-02: Cash / Landrum Contact
Injuries Caused By UFO Claim Woman's Life
Cash-Landrum: NOT Ionizing Radiation
Return to UFO Folklore !



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rob on May 9th, 2003, 05:36am

This is a post from a friend of mine at another forum I visit, he`s from Egypt and I don`t think he`ll mind my posting it here.

my disk sighting:: time: before 1980; location: 24°15'E 59°21'N, 15m from shore line, overbay from nuclear power plant; weather: sunny; witnesses: 6 two russian bordeguards & my family; craft: 'silver'disk floating 50 cm above the ground bit drifted from real dimension(as you couldnot notice it by not focusing your attention to) (top: upside-down plate, bottom: cone, diam: 7.5m, height: 3.5m(restored by analysing proportions), crew: humas (still)from future) we had a little chat, and they took off.

Its a short but pretty comprehensive report and a good description. To the point so to speak.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rob on May 10th, 2003, 8:19pm

Hey guys and gals, here is some more info I found on the Betty Cash case, its from 29th December, 1980. It invlovled Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum, and her grandson Colby. All 3 could feel themselves burning, and the car grew so hot that when Vickie Landrum put her hand on the dashboard her figers sank into it, leaving a hand print. As the ufo flew off, afleet of helicopterssuddenly appeared and surrounded it. Cash counted 23 helicopters in all. They all received injuries consistent withexposure to intense radiation. There was concrete physical evidence in the form off the witnessess injuries and the marks left on the dashboard, and an indipendant corroboration of their story about the helicopters. The best lead of this case seems to be the helicopters. Such a large number of aircraft should have been easy enough to trace but every civil and military authority, including the army, the air force, the national gaurd, and all airfeilds in the area, disclaimed all knowledge of the helicopters. The only thing that the sceptics could come up with for de-bunking this case was that no one for sure new the state of health that the witnessess were in before this happed to them. I ask you, how insulting is that. I beleive she died from the injuries she sustained that night. Regardless of wether or not it was a ufo that caused this or a secret government project that went wrong, or even the fact that there was a nuclear power plant nearby, these people were never given an adequate explanation, the case was never looked at by the American government, and no compensation was ever forth coming. Not that they did not try. They launched a 20 million dollar civil suit against the government, but the case was thrown out because there was no record that the government possessed anything like a ufo. So they got out of that as well.

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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on May 13th, 2003, 8:41pm

Rob; I agree that the betty cash sighting was a U.S. experimental craft.
I am more interested in the chat that your Egyptian friend had with the occupants of the U.F.O. could you share that with us? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 30th, 2003, 08:04am

To all of my friends; I wish to recommend a book which speaks of the Heavens and the Earth and of Angels and of Man and of other Worlds and Dimensions which can further expand our minds and our understanding of UFOs.
This book is called, “Oahspe Bible”.
This book was written by a Dr. and Dentist named John B. Newbrough around 1871 and was copyrighted in 1882. This book was dictated to this Dr. by higher Worlds and was written on one of the first typewriters that was sold. This book was written via “automatic writing” in which the recipient is merely an instrument and has no control over the writing or the content of the writing. This book has helped me greatly in understanding the “big picture” of Creation and the mechanism and meaning and purpose thereof. Irwyn

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Aug 3rd, 2003, 5:31pm

I, too, believe it was an experimental cracft. U can tell by how slowly and unelegant it moved. Aliens would've designed something far better. It's upsetting b/c the witnesses received severe radiation wounds and burns and were denied proper treatment b/c of this big brother screwup. It's also very sad b/c one of the women (I think) ventured out of her car to meet the UFO but it was just a Big Brother project so she literally got "burned." This and cattle mutiliations are all the evil work of Big Brother. Aliens don't do malicious/selfish things like this.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Aug 4th, 2003, 1:26pm

minitrue et al; I agree with your observation that the radiation burns and the other physical injurys were caused by experimental craft belonging to our government. This is evident by the appearance of helicopters soon after the sighting.

It is so sad that we have the opportunity for unlimited knowledge from the UFOs to benefit the human race and instead we are denied access to this wisdom by the paranoiac military and the myopic scientists." Stupid is as stupid does". Thank God I have a clear channel and that I don't depend upon the media and the disinformation of the government.

What you think? Irwyn angry sad

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Aug 4th, 2003, 7:50pm

on Aug 4th, 2003, 1:26pm, timetraveler wrote:
minitrue et al; I agree with your observation that the radiation burns and the other physical injurys were caused by experimental craft belonging to our government. This is evident by the appearance of helicopters soon after the sighting.

It is so sad that we have the opportunity for unlimited knowledge from the UFOs to benefit the human race and instead we are denied access to this wisdom by the paranoiac military and the myopic scientists." Stupid is as stupid does". Thank God I have a clear channel and that I don't depend upon the media and the disinformation of the government.

What you think? Irwyn angry sad


We take different paths but they lead to the same destination.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Aug 18th, 2003, 12:06pm

This is regarding the major power blackout in August 2003 and also in 1965.
There is no doubt in my mind that both of these major blackouts were caused by UFOs. Both of these blackouts involved the upstate New York Niagara power grid.
I have trained myself to look for the signature of UFOs happenings. In both of these power blackouts there were millions of people involved and yet there was an absolute minimum of injured and fatally wounded people.
Both of these blackouts were a wake-up call that we rely too much on electricity and to encourage us to seek a new form of energy. There is a free energy that exists throughout the Universe which we can utilize for all of our needs. Why aren't we researching this?

Let's also consider the awesome power and control of UFOs to stage these two massive power failures and yet to protect the lives of millions of individuals in the process.
Consider also the advanced technology and control that the UFOs demonstrated when they simultaneously shut off 20 Minuteman missiles in a missile silo. The military personnel in charge of the silo publicly announced that what was done was impossible because each Minuteman missile had its own separate shut off code.
Why don't we respect the higher intelligence and advanced technology of UFOs and learn from them instead of trying to shoot them down?
What do you think? Irwyn cool

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Aug 24th, 2003, 10:50pm

Doing my usual ufo research on the web, I ran across a very interesting site. Here's a link.

http://www.neilslade.com/ufos.html

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Aug 25th, 2003, 05:14am

Has our society come to the point where UFO's can just dance around in the middle of the day and no one, not even the military, cares any more?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Aug 25th, 2003, 08:44am

Seems like it.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Aug 25th, 2003, 11:13pm

I'd say Stan is a marked man (no pun intended), But Neil ... well uh... Neil is already out there among the stars. Cool vids though.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Aug 26th, 2003, 11:51am


Many years ago when I was being developed psychically on a crash program basis I was told this.

I was told that the, “Star Of David”, represents two pyramids, one inverted on top of the other and that this is a symbol of an energy device that was used in the Great Pyramid of Giza to activate a magnetic energy field which was used for, “Time Travel” and for interdimensional transportation and teleportation.
In order to "turn on" the Great Pyramid you have to know how to manipulate and to rotate the, “Star of David”, system.

As you know already, almost all of the symbols that appear in various religions and sacred geometry and that have survived the ages have profound meanings and uses and have nothing at all to do with religions.

We are all travelers in Time. Everything in the Universe, including the Universe, is traveling in Time.
We cannot say that we are traveling in Space because
Space as we know it in the inner dimensions of mental and energy Worlds does not exist.

Space in the physical Worlds coexists with matter as a relative convenience, and it should not be defined as an absolute term.
Time in its essence is a multifrequency state of vibration.
Understand that everything in the Universe, every state of Being, is a different frequency.

If we can see everything in the Universe as being different frequency values and if we can calculate these frequency values, using Time as a fixed point of location, then we will have an equation for “Time Travel”.

I can travel in Time if I can focus my own frequency and
then just "tune" in to the frequency of the "target" location in a similar manner to tuning into a radio station. Each World has its own frequency band in the same way that radio and television have their separate bands with separate stations.

Science cannot apply Einstein's theorem regarding Time
and Space using the speed of light as the constant without considering the time distortion and time-shift factors.
The "Space Age" physics we must learn in order to
master “Time Travel” is best explained with the geometrics of pyramid shapes.
If we raise our frequency from the base of the pyramid,
(which represents physical Earth) to the apex of the pyramid, (which represents higher consciousness), we reach a plane or frequency of zero null point.
At this point we are free of gravity and magnetic attraction.

At this point we have created a new geometric, which is 2 inverted pyramids standing on top of each other, apex touching apex.
When this geometric is realized, it represents the "Duality of Worlds" theory that each physical World has an opposite energy twin World in another Dimension.
The lower pyramid is the physical World, the upper pyramid is the fourth dimensional or energy twin World.
When the Being has thus achieved reaching zero null point, then the geometric is changed so that the two pyramids are superimposed one over the other in the “Star of David” form.

This means that these two opposite polarity Worlds are held in a state of magnetically opposing stasis or balance.
At this point each pyramid can be tuned and manipulated to direct “Time Travel” to travel either forwards or backwards. At this juncture the "Star of David" symbol has become a formula for a “Time machine”.

In a recent meditation I was told that the lower inverted pyramid in this configuration is not a physical pyramid but an energy pyramid which is the result of the magnetic field created by the physical pyramid.

The “Time Machine” function is turned on by the frequency tone created by the chanting of a priests mantra which must be performed in a special reverberation chamber. This frequency tone then moves the magnetic field lower pyramid “cone” to superimpose over the physical pyramid creating a “Star Chamber” or “Time Machine”.

I believe that this operation used one or two empty sarcophagus to transport the subject from one dimension to another. The engineers who designed this, “Time Machine”, were from Orion and the constellation Orion was the destination point. I also believe that the instructions and information for this procedure is stored in a cylinder behind the copper door at the end of the shaft in the great Pyramid. I also believe that the Egyptian government has recovered the cylinder and does not wish to reveal its contents to the archeological world.

It seems that the ancient priests of Egypt are still in power!!!

What do you think? Irwyn cool




Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by goldenvoyager on Sep 10th, 2003, 4:36pm

This man states that if the government does not disclose the existence of ET's soon that they will do it themselves.

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/maynard.html


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Sep 15th, 2003, 1:53pm

“Murder I Wrote”

In the course of researching some Egyptology records I have noticed some interesting information. It is my belief that Prime Minister Ay was one of the most brilliant serial killers in history. This story dates back almost 5000 years ago and is a compilation of historical facts and psychic intuition.
Prime Minister Ay was a commoner who rose to be Prime Minister of Egypt while Akhenaten was Pharaoh. Nefertiti was Akhenaten’s wife and co-ruler. Both the Pharaoh and his wife made dramatic changes in the religion and threatened the existing priests of Egypt. In 1332 BC Akhenaten died, the circumstances never explained. His memory and all that he had created soon was erased from history not to be found for centuries later.
I believe that Prime Minister Ay murdered Akhenaten probably with poison and Nefertiti became Pharaoh. Sometime during her reign or after her death her records were destroyed and Smenkhkare’s name was recorded as the Pharaoh who ruled during and after Akhenaten. I believe that Nefertiti and Smenkhkare were one and the same. After a few years of Nefertiti being the Pharaoh, Prime Minister Ay murdered Nefertiti by stabbing her to death. Shortly after Nefertiti's death Prime Minister Ay conspired with the priests of Amun to send grave robbers to Nefertiti's tomb to remove Nefertiti from the original tomb and to bury her body in a different tomb and to hide her identity by removing all evidence of her royalty. Also Nefertiti's mummy was damaged physically so that the gods of Egypt would not recognize her and allow her to enter into the higher World.
After Nefertiti's death Tutankhamen became Pharaoh at the age of 9. Prime Minister Ay was able to control the young Pharaoh until he became rebellious about the age of 17. Then Prime Minister Ay conceived a brilliant plan of how he, the commoner could become Pharaoh.
Tutankhamen loved to hunt and he was especially fascinated by lions. Prime Minister Ay told Tutankhamen that a magnificent gold color lion was seen in the desert and he asked Tutankhamen to go hunting with him for this lion. Prime Minister Ay and Tutankhamen went hunting for this lion and during this hunt Prime Minister Ay clubbed Tutankhamen and killed him and when he returned he claimed that the lion had attacked Tutankhamen’s chariot frightening the horses who overturned the chariot and the Pharaoh struck his head on the chariot and was killed. I believe that the wall painting in the tomb of Pharaoh Ay was his confession and his egomania showing the crime scene and the story of the murder of Tutankhamen. I believe that when the grave robbers came to the tomb of Tutankhamen to rob the tomb they saw a materialization of Tutankhamen appearing as a Sphinx, and this half man and half lion so terrified them that they fled the tomb and one of the robbers died of a heart attack caused by his fear.



After Tutankhamen’s death his widow Ankhesenamen did not wish to marry Prime Minister Ay therefore she sent a letter to the King of the Hittites to ask for his son in marriage. The King sent his son Zannanza but he was assassinated at the border by a murderer sent by Prime Minister Ay. This cleared the way for Prime Minister Ay to marry Ankhesenamen which automatically made Prime Minister Ay, Pharaoh of Egypt. Shortly after this marriage Pharoah Ay had Ankhesenamen murdered and her body buried and hidden in a commoners tomb.
What do you think? Irwyn cool

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Sep 20th, 2003, 09:28am

minitrue; I invite you to visit my web page,"Angels, UFOs, and Psychic". My web page contains my philosophy and some of my experiences. I hope you'll find it interesting. What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Sep 20th, 2003, 5:28pm

It's a very nice website but we have some differences. I get mixed messages from u. On the one hand u claim that there is no such thing as religion and science can explain everything but a lot of your hortatory speech is quite religious in nature. The word angels is about as religious as one gets. My other issue is that dreams are very personal and make no sense to anyone but the one who experiences them. It's fun to hear about someone's encounter w/ the twilight zone the first time or even the second but beyond that it gets boring. I would very much like to network w/ people who feel the way I do but at this point in my life I have more pressing prioties so the sporadic chats on UFO Casebook will have to suffice.

Anyway u mentioned something about the future. There is a fundamental law of physics which states that for every action there is a reaction. The job of a scientist is to discover what equations/relationships govern the action/reaction. So it is possible to predict the future but if your understanding of mathematics was that evolved u wouldn't be human.

But yes, it is a very lonely path. In the movies u see man and ET in the classic first encounter meeting as equals. They are not are equals. They are intellectually above us and few people would pay ET that kind of respect. So in that matter we are in accord. U should take some physics classes. A thorough understanding of science and pure analytical thought is what impresses people rather then personal experiences. Personal experiences = solipsim which is subjective.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Sep 24th, 2003, 4:25pm

Minitrue; when I was much younger I thought very much the same way that you do now. I believed that science was irrefutable and that logic and science was the salvation of our civilization. But as I have become older and have experienced life I've seen that science is blind and limited and that logic is a faulty tool.

A prime example of this is the stupidity of NASA in continuing experiments with rocket propulsion with a grand design of colonizing other planets in our Solar System. What a waste of time and money!!!!!!! What you think, Irwyn rolleyes
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Sep 24th, 2003, 6:41pm

on Sep 24th, 2003, 4:25pm, timetraveler wrote:
Minitrue; when I was much younger I thought very much the same way that you do now. I believed that science was irrefutable and that logic and science was the salvation of our civilization. But as I have become older and have experienced life I've seen that science is blind and limited and that logic is a faulty tool.


You have just described the distinction b/ New Age Mysticism and Serious UFO Research. So if u are the former then why do u hang around here?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Sep 24th, 2003, 8:18pm

You know...I hate to get between you two but I think I should say something at this point. B.J. the owner of the site and the one paying to keep it here, allowed timetraveler to set up his tent amongst us, so to speak. I am a nuts & bolts UFO guy myself mini and Irwyn's spiel is sometimes interesting to me but mostly not (no offense Irwyn). I don't find it offensive either. Either way...Irwyn is B.J. Booth's guest here as we all are.

Now to another point. Irwyn, when I said you have your place here, I meant it but it's a little rude to cross post the same words in various threads as you have done. I know why you did it and it's frustrating to me also that there is so little activity here at times. When I check for activity, I check the recent posts. It's irritating (and I'm not the only one) to check recent posts and find them all from you and all the same, i.e. concerning your beliefs and experiences.

OK...I hope I put this in such a way that it serves it's purpose and doesn't start a war because I like you both. These two points are simply my observations of what's going on here. Feel free to message me if you would like to respond in private. grin

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Sep 24th, 2003, 11:27pm

Actually timetraveler reminds me of my aunt. She's a New Age, Angel, Psychic person and to be honest they drive me crazy (when I was on speaking terms) but everyone is entitled to their own personal beliefs. To be honest I'm too right wing conspiracy orientated for this site. But none of that really matters wink.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Sep 25th, 2003, 08:39am

I know how you feel mini but you aren't that bad. I'm right wing too. Just not as conspiracy-minded as you are. But our differences make things interesting wouldn't you say? If we all agreed, it would be pretty dull around here.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Sep 25th, 2003, 11:54am

To my friends; your comments are duly noted. Sometimes when I have a psychic revelation I tend to want to share it by crossposting. I will not do this again. Also I do not feel that I should mix religion with my postings, however I do not consider Angels as religious Beings but rather as higher and more advanced Beings from other dimensions.

Perhaps my definitions are different from yours but we are all after the same goal, the understanding of UFOs, and by extension the understanding of relationships that exist between different Worlds and dimensions.

My psychic experiences are examples and windows into different dimensions of reality and existence and I believe that they are educational and mind expanding.

I encourage the readers of this great web site to share with us their own personal psychic and unusual experiences. Thank you for your input, Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Sep 25th, 2003, 7:02pm

Very cool, guys. I wish our government work this well!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Sep 25th, 2003, 7:10pm

I was on the verge of espousing a conspiracy theory grin but ...
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Sep 25th, 2003, 8:12pm

You think it's too late for me to run backlit? For President.... not away! LOL! grin We could conspire and aspire at the same time mini! Let me know if anyone from the otherside thinks it's a good idea Irwyn!

HJ

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Sep 25th, 2003, 11:14pm

Nah! It's never too late HJ. With Mini and TT as your advisors how could you lose! wink
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Sep 26th, 2003, 08:56am

Ok, ok...I know enough not to resist this tidal wave of support therefore, if elected I will accept the nomination. Er..if nominated, I will accept the election? But only if the Supreme Court wants me to right...er, is that right? Maybe I should stick to posting on the board here. grin

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Sep 26th, 2003, 1:21pm

To HJ and all my friends; this web site forum is so exciting. I don't think that HJ should run for president because once you'll be cast in the mold of a politician or of a public official you lose the right to free speech and to express your own opinion. Rather than lose your own personal freedoms and identity please continue to illuminate this forum with your thoughts and opinions. I feel so lucky to be in the company of such an interesting fellowship. Thank you, Irwyn cool cool cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Sep 26th, 2003, 2:26pm

Yep, you're right about that one Irwyn. Politicians sell themselves faster and more totally than the hookers do. It becomes so obvious during the elections and especially here in California right now.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Sep 26th, 2003, 5:45pm

I hate to say this but I find it amusing that your tax dollars are founding such great entertainment for people in other states like me grin. I hate to admit this as well but I agree w/ timetraveler. I think Clinton when elected asked about JFK and UFO's. I don't know what the response was regarding JFK but he got a very unimformative answer to the UFO question. Then there was Carter ... sooo if I understand this correctly u could be President of the most powerfull country in the world and not get any answers to that question. Bush, however, comes from a very wealthy and prominent family so he might actually know something.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Sep 26th, 2003, 6:18pm

[quote author=minitrue link=board=general&num=1032963370&start=89#5 date=1064616310 Then there was Carter ... sooo if I understand this correctly u could be President of the most powerfull country in the world and not get any answers to that question. Bush, however, comes from a very wealthy and prominent family so he might actually know something. [/quote]
Well HJ, I guess that kicks your political career down the tubes!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Sep 27th, 2003, 09:36am

What a relief! I was getting worried there for awhile. If I went through all that and they still wouldn't give me any info on UFOs...I'd assassinate myself! Seriously though, in those rare ethers where the most powerful "leaders" reside, I'm sure EVERTHING is on a need to know basis even for them. What you don't know, you can't accidentally or intentionally reveal. A slip of the tongue could cost a life or worse and the best way to guard a secret is to keep it secret. I'm not surprised that a president, who is only there for maybe eight years (except for the two Clintonites ) and always speaking on camera, is not considered a need to know person on a lot of state secrets.

HJ


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Sep 28th, 2003, 03:26am

When it comes to the relationship b/ Uncle Sam and ET I am completely clueless. But I imagine to see that far into space you would have to have a very lofty perch.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Sep 28th, 2003, 10:18am

I think that the best candidate for president would be Bob Barker of, "the price is right". He is a master of making deals. He could run the World like a giant TV show. The Arabs could trade in their turbans, the Jews could trade in their yarmulkes, the CEOs of giant corporations could trade in their, “golden umbrellas”, the politicians could trade in their, “special interests” payoffs, and everybody would be happy.

What do you think? Irwyn grin grin

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Sep 28th, 2003, 8:30pm

Good one Irwyn! grin

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by NightWalker on Nov 6th, 2003, 06:07am

Monte Hall even from lets make a deal is the next best candidate..or at least someone interested in replacing him. Oh, wait...sorry that would be the current and past persidents. ok, I'll vote for Bob!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PHILROBBINS on Nov 16th, 2003, 2:02pm

reply #5TEXTTEXTTEXTTEXT

after reading your comment that you believe that the life (human's in particular) are of interest to these aliens
may not be to far feched. to those of you that may have read another of my posts you may have come to the conclusion that i'm a believer in the bible but in accordance to some church doctrines some might call me alittle fanactical in my beliefs. case in point.

the bible says that god owns everything that we are his creations and he and not ourselves are the creator.
latter the scriptures tells us that the angels are curious
as to the situation that exists here on the earth and want to look into this mystery of gods creation called man .(myself i beleive that some not all the ufo sightings are possible part of the host of heaven which we call angels) the others remaining might be called
demon or satans (fallen angels).
some religious people say what i bvelieve to be in error
that all ufo's are demonic. if they truly believe this ,then they don't believe the bible because the bible says
nothing was created that he did not create . the scriptures also say that satan has no creative power of his own. (he can use those creative powers that be up to a point but thats it) when satan fell from heaven and took a 1/3 of the angels with him i believe he and they took what they had from heaven with them(ufo's)
seeing that satan has no creative powers and he is what he is (a thief among other things) that they stole
or god allowed them to take mode of transportation.
what i don't believe is that god would allow satan and his crew to have something that his angels don't.
and since satan only took 1/3 of the angels with him that means that possibly out of every three sightings 2 are from god. so top those that claim to have been aducted by aliens (those aliens may have been angels
gods or possibly satans) many people speak of cattle
mutilations possibly caused by aliens(angels) .
the scriptures refer to god saying that he owned all the cattle on all the hills of the earth.
remembering also that the bible says that the angels are curious about this creation called earth .
to them we as humans have no direct ownership of the cattle or any other thing of the earth ,and if they choose to do biological study of the cattle thru what we would call mutilation, that they through the word of god have every right to do so without our direct consent.
as far as being an experiment i would say of sorts we are . according to scriptures we may be the only thing
that he created that has freedom of chose to follow gods way or our own. but being fair to us he has the scriptures that tells us of the benifits of following him and the negatives that come from following our own ways.

the expierment we may not always be aware of whats going on, just as in a lab expierment the test subject is not always in control of all aspects of its surrondings
and outcomes of situations that it may find itself in. the same with us . some ask the question and its a good question "what is the meaning of life"
the expieriment i believe boils down to this and only this dispite what we as humans think.
the answer is what are we going to do with jesus in our lives. according to scripture this is what the whole bible is leading up to from genesis to revelations.
and again yes we are and advanced form of an expieriment . namely gods (of the bible)
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Nov 16th, 2003, 11:11pm

It is a shame that our only reference to the nature of god is a 1500 year old version that between the old and new testament does not even correlate well. Satan and ufo's... nope. If Satan was an angel of light with a superior understanding of reality of the cosmos, and I can come up with a much more sinister agenda than ufo's, then think of what his real agenda is.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PHILROBBINS on Nov 17th, 2003, 7:41pm

first let me apologize to the moderator ,but unforunatly i forgot what my post name was which was : bibleufonut
sorry no matter what i did icouldn't remember what i had entered so i rejoined as philrobbins. so bibleufonut and i are one and the same.

ok i had already posted this on one of the other strings but it needs to be repeated here .

this is in response to the post about organized religion
leading people in the wrong direction from what the bible has to say about ufo's.

i agree up to a point that religion has done alot to
lead alot of men astray ,even jesus said as much.
now i know some of you just dropped your mouths and
said huh!!! yes he did say that the religious leaders of the day were teaching man made doctrines and perporting them to be from god there by make all who followed after their teachings more deserving of hell than they. what was he saying ? basicaly this ,"i've come to straighten out all the things that man has
messed with and get man back on the right track."

ok alittle history lesson on the bible concerning god and satan. satan decided one day he wanted to take gods place in heaven so a war of words came about . the bible says that satans words fell to the ground .
so god told satan to depart from heaven, well satan was well liked and he took a third of the angels of heaven with him when he left. the bible refers to a vast war of destruction in heaven because when satan left heaven he was extremely angry. now for a kicker this was perhaps millinium before god ever restored the earth. yes i said restored and not created. yes i know what the first verse of genesis says . in the beginning
god created the heaven and the earth. note the word
"heaven" not heavens the old testment langauge used was singular not plural. in the very begginning god
created the planet heaven and the planet earth . the planet heaven which is were god resides . i believe
the planet heaven is on the same plane as the earth in orbit but directly opposite side of the sun and its orbital
speed is the same as the earths so there by we would never know that it was there. kenneth copeland believes along these lines . as well as several other well known evangelist. but because it is such a radical idea
alot of people sort of dismiss the idea.

unfortunatly i've got tpo get off line at present so if anyone wants any futher info along these lines please post a reply as such.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Nov 17th, 2003, 8:19pm

I rest my case.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by NightWalker on Nov 17th, 2003, 11:37pm

Awww...shucks, and here I was gonna suggest that we all dress up in green outfits, dawn a "grey" mask, break out the probulators and go demand some answers from the govenment "or else" tongue
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Nov 19th, 2003, 11:30pm

If Satan and God Fight , then who is the ultamate power? the problem of the Bible is that it has God acting as an inmature entity most of the time. Come on an give us all a break. If we can see this fact an recognize it then we must ask how could God be any better than we are? The fact is that our concepts of God are so outdated that we can't see past our own stupidity.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Nov 20th, 2003, 7:22pm

Come on HJ I'm having a "moment" here... rub my nose in it! grin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Nov 21st, 2003, 09:19am

I rather just watch. Religious arguments are more fun to the observers than to the participants, didn't you know. You're doing ok, just jump back into the fray! Go get him Phil! Back him up Night! grin

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by NightWalker on Nov 21st, 2003, 12:35pm

( In my best tigger impression) Tiggers is good arguins', I'll back 'im up. (was gonna say I'll back up pooh, but it just sounded wrong grin)
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Nov 21st, 2003, 6:17pm

Youz guyz is da greatest! grin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Nov 21st, 2003, 8:11pm

HAHA! LOL! grin Geez that was funny Night....backin' up Pooh! LOL!

HJ
UFO Pulls Train
Post by Layla on Dec 30th, 2003, 04:20am

Edited a little to fit.....
Mystery of Train #1702 12/27/2003 13:40
A freight train pulled an UFO for an hour

The event happened about 20 years ago, however people in Karelia still remember it. Witnesses of the mysterious incident are still alive and now believe that UFO actually exists.

In February 1985, a freight train #1702 consisting of 70 empty cars and a locomotive followed to the city of Kostomuksha through Petrozavodsk and Suoyarvi. Engine driver Orlov and his mate Mironov were talking while watching the railway. The train passed the station of Essoila at 2:35 a.m. according to the schedule.

Suddenly, Sergey Orlov noticed some strange object behind the trees; the round object was moving parallel to the train. It was not clear what the object might be. The engine driver saw the object let out a ray of light toward the ground and then drew it in.

Mironov could not speak for a moment as he saw the ball cross the railway and start moving 30-50 meters ahead of the train. Sergey Orlov stopped the engine and slammed on the brakes to avoid collision with the bright ball. But the train would not stop; it seemed that some strange power still pulled it.

The engine driver and the mate felt as if hypnotized and stared at the mysterious object. Later, they told the inquiry the object was a regular geometrical form of about four meters in diameter. It moved silently above the surface as if drifting.

The train was approaching the Novye Peski station. Sergey Orlov switched on his portable radio and felt happy when the device was on. He made desperate attempts to explain what has happened to the train to a person on duty at the station. The woman could hardly understand what the engine driver was saying, but still went out to meet the train approaching the station. The woman was extremely surprised to see some vibrating object looking like an upturned basin, the shining ball followed the vibrating object and only after them the train appeared at a speed of 60 km per hour. It seemed that the ball might hit the building of the small station.

But right before the switch the ball suddenly separated from the diesel locomotive and passed around the building of the station. But the train would not stop and passed the station at its gathered speed.

Historian Alexey Popov investigating UFO in the republic of Karelia says that the engine driver and the mate mention only the ball because they could not see the object resembling an upturned basin from the cab.

On that mysterious day, as soon as the ball passed the switch it immediately rushed to the train. When it moved off the train, its speed reduced at least by half. The diesel locomotive twitched heavily, and the men inside of the cab hit against the windshield. However, the locomotive gathered its speed as soon as the shining ball approached the train again.

The train managed to stop only near the Zastava station. The ball disappeared behind the forest. The locomotive crew had to wait for a train coming from the opposite direction, to the city of Petrozavodsk. The engine driver got out of the cab to examine the wheels. As soon as he walked around the locomotive he felt some strange force press him against the machine. He could not move; when the man could move he hardly reached the cab. That was strange but as soon as he reached the cab, the train started off as if it was waiting for the man to take the seat. The train kept on moving for some time until the shining ball disappeared behind the forest.

Alexey Popov says that the incident lasted for an hour and twenty minutes, the period within which the ball pulled the train for over 50 kilometers. That spared 300 kilograms of diesel oil for the locomotive. People involved in the incident experienced a strong nervous shock. Automatic recorders of the locomotive and other official documents prove the reliability of the strange incident. However, there is no believable explanation to the phenomenon. The shining ball was noticed earlier at the Kutizhma station even before it came across the train #1702.

This is a hard task to pull a train weighing 1560 tons for 50 kilometers; it requires much energy, indeed. Sergey Orlov says the ball acted rather intelligently, as it passed around switches and buildings of railway stations, and even withdrew to the forest when a train appeared from the opposite direction.

The story seems to be incredible until one meets people who took part in it. The railway workers would hardly lie, as they do believe that the incident was a UFO visit.

Natalia Leskova
Read the original in Russian: http://science.pravda.ru/science/2003/6/79/304/15458_UFO.html (Translated by: Maria Gousseva)
http://www.pravda.us/science/19/94/378/11661_train.html Pravda.Ru




Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Dec 30th, 2003, 08:49am

Thanks Layla! What a great report!

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Layla on Dec 31st, 2003, 8:45pm

Is this a joke or is this for real?? undecided

Burlington UFO and Paranormal Research and Education Center
Scientists Finds Tiny Alien Space Probe by Michael Chiron. Tiny craft hails from miniature planet!
Burlington UFO Center Home Site
Contact Us

SCIENTISTS FIND TINY ALIEN SPACE PROBE
By MICHAEL CHIRON

WASHINGTON — Preliminary examination of a mysterious UFO measuring just ¼-inch in length has reportedly convinced U.S. Air Force experts that the tiny craft hails from a miniature planet!

The vehicle, which weighs no more than an ounce, was intercepted over the nation’s capital on July 6, sources say. It so eerily resembles a small flying insect that experts suspect it was designed that way as camouflage.

“The vehicle is equipped with highly advanced sensors and apparently was on a scientific or surveillance mission,” reveals an Air Force insider.

“At first we assumed it was a remote-controlled drone. But when the ‘flying bug,’ as it’s been nicknamed, was dismantled, we found the indentation left behind by a pilot’s seat — indicating a small alien ejected from the craft.

“We’re talking about a man-like creature no bigger than a garden ant.”

Equally fascinating, an analysis of fuel cells indicates that the craft could travel a maximum of 60,000 miles.

“That would mean its point of origin must be within our own solar system,” the insider explains. “That suggests an undiscovered 10th planet — perhaps one so small that it has never been detected by astronomers.”

The UFO was discovered over Washington after triggering a highly classified new defense system. Air Force planes quickly took to the air to escort the damaged craft as it gradually lost power and fell to the ground on the lawn in front of the White House.

The bug-like spaceship has reportedly been whisked to Area 51 in Nevada — the famous “top secret” base where the Air Force supposedly conducts research on downed UFOs and plunders captured alien technology.

“Researchers will use what’s known as ‘reverse engineering’ to unlock technological secrets of the alien space probe,” says the source.

Civilian experts say the implications of such a find are mind-blowing.

“For centuries, scientists have pondered the possibility of an unseen planet in our solar system — perhaps on the far side of the Sun,” notes British astronomer Colin Mugwhite of London, when asked about the case.

“The idea that there is a planet out there the size of a 12-foot boulder and inhabited by minuscule intelligent life forms is even more intriguing.”

Government scientists have tentatively dubbed the theoretical planet Lilliputia in honor of the tiny folk encountered in Jonathan Swift’s classic novel, Gulliver’s Travels.

Published on: October 18, 2002
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/tinyaliens.html

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Dec 31st, 2003, 9:44pm

I'm sure it's a joke, Layla. as a matter of fact, the story's been around for awhile. I don't know the origin but thay had quite an imagination. grin

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Dec 31st, 2003, 10:15pm

Layla, these are great stories that you have collected. Thank you for sharing them with us. I believe that the freight train was pulled by a real UFO who was manipulating the train with some kind of magnetic power, similar to the traction beam used in Star Trek episodes. What puzzles me if magnetic energy was used power, these stationmaster was able to operate a radio? Also the story of the miniature spacecraft only indicates that size is relative and can be adjusted by aliens who are using mental forces to manipulate time and space and physical forms. Remember aliens are not humans and are not limited as we are. What amuses me is that based on the miniature size of this probe the military and scientific community has manufactured a miniature planet. What a stupid demonstration of two plus two logic!!!!
Thank God I am a freethinker.
What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jan 1st, 2004, 07:42am

Layla, read the very last paragraph of this article.

http://www.bio.miami.edu/tom/bil160/bil160goods/17_scaling.html
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jan 1st, 2004, 8:22pm

What are you saying mini? That the tiny UFO was one of ours?

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jan 1st, 2004, 11:16pm

That and when it comes to size their is a scaling problem that most people ignore. If u blew up a typical person to over twice their size they would collapse due to the physical strain and if u miniaturized a person they would collapse under their own weight. There's a reason elephants are so thick and insects so frail.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jan 2nd, 2004, 12:21am

So how do you explain the teeny weeny pilot's seat, huh? grin

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jan 2nd, 2004, 12:48am

HJ, I thought u were the "penultimate skeptic?" U handed over the ultimate skeptic title to Meacon. IMO it sounds like a tabloid but who knows.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jan 2nd, 2004, 09:09am

Hi you two,
Well mini, after reviewing the situation I see that Meacon is not a skeptic after all. He has his conclusions set already on the subject. The "Ultimate Skeptic", in my humble opinion, is skeptical but not arbitrarily dismissive. I'll say no more then that on it.

Layla what you felt, mental telepathy, has been described for hundreds of years but never really confirmed by more than some hit or miss statistics I personally think it happens and has something to do with our subconscious.

The subconscious is an amazing thing. It's like another person coming along for the ride with us. Another person who has talents and resources far above ours. Once in a while, it talks to us but mostly it's just there doing it's thing, whatever that is. From OBEs to simple intuition, I think they are all natural and controlled by the SC.

There's more to our existence than meets the eye.

HJ


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jan 7th, 2004, 09:34am

I agree with Layla. The aliens are using psychic powers as well as advanced aerodynamic, physics and science. Our society does not know how to access psychic abilities and specializes in the scientific disciplines. Science is limited, psychic is unlimited. It is the same with physical is limited, mental is unlimited. We have much to learn from the UFOs.

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jan 7th, 2004, 7:59pm

Hi guys!

Thanks Layla...I like you too kiss. And you too Irwyn.

I think we are all saying the same thing in different ways. Yes the aliens use mental techniques and technogy that seem like magic to us but that's because they understand things that are still a mystery to us. These things might include anything from the psychic to untra advanced physics that encompasses other dimensions but it's not magic.

I think that our unconscious might be our real spirit Layla. It's what allows spirit walking and Irwyn's experiences to happen because it controls that access to things normally not allowed to the corporeal psyche, the meat brain if you will. I liken the human brain to a radio receiver that controls the meat body. We are who we are but we might not reside in the carcass we call our body. We might just reside in your spirit world Irwyn and only have part of us here in this reality.

Ok Layla...I agree that there is much to learn from the aliens but I don't think they will teach us. I don't know why but judging from the past, there's no indication they want to share anything of substance.

HJ

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jan 8th, 2004, 09:14am

on Jan 7th, 2004, 6:04pm, Layla wrote:
I have read that Aliens sometimes come into peoples dreams and abduct them through dreams......and the person does not remember the incident until under hypnosis....etc. (please correct me if I am wrong).....

So that to me would mean that our dreams are visible at a certain level to certain individuals who have the ability to see our dreams.....eg. Aliens...and I have in all my readings over the years, read that there are some people who reside on this planet who have that ability as well. (psychic powers).

I believe it is important to keep an open mind over how Aliens function, and I agree with you Timetraveller we do have much to learn from Aliens.

I also believe we all have these abilities laying dormant within us.....I believe that our focus is so concentrated on the dramas of life that we miss using these facilities....but sometimes these facilities raise their heads....and give us glimpses of our true abilities....

Layla



Just my 2 cents. Of all the alien abductions out there, the only one that I would seriously present to a panel of skepics is the http://ufocasebook.com/Pascagoula.html

There's no telepathic communiction and there is no memory loss. (Actually there was some hypnosis done later along w/ a lie detector test but it was minimal to the case). Hell, those things don't even have eyes. In that ecounter.

Though debatable, hypsosis is pretty much worthless and I really don't think we can base encounters on it w/ any validity. So that would delegate all the hypnsosis encounters to a lower profile.

However, I'm not saying that aliens who can communicate w/ people don't exist, I'm merely pointing out the dearth of abductions not involing hypnosis that support direct ESP communication.

So I guess I'm saying that only the Pascagoula abduction has any real weigth b/c it didn't really involve hypnosis and had documented sightings before and after.

SO maybe ESP isn't a universal language for humans and aliens? Maybe the Grey is a joke? Of course that deosn't prove anything but many in this field assume that.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jan 8th, 2004, 12:30pm

I agree with H. J. that when we are dealing with UFOs we are dealing with a very highly superior intelligence and technology who is able to utilize science and paranormal psychic. I have felt for many years that psychic is a very real and powerful force and that psychic and science should be wedded together for the greater good of humanity. This Planet needs all the help it can get to survive and to evolute.
I do not agree with H. J. that the UFOs do not wish to share information with us. They have no fear of us because we are so ignorant of the higher technologies and their applications. This has been proven in abductees who have been lectured and taught and informed of information regarding the future and the Universe. I don't think that we should insult the UFOs by asking them to call us up on the telephone or to send out radio spikes to communicate with us.

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jan 8th, 2004, 12:53pm

Some thoughts about "reality" and "true". I have been fortunate to have been developed as a psychic. This allows me to access mental and paranormal Worlds and to live in two Worlds at the same time. One World is the physical World and the other World is the World of constant daydreaming and meditation and psychic awareness. I use the conscious mind to function in the physical World and I consider the conscious mind the stupid mind or the robot computer mind. The subconscious mind to me is the unlimited frontier, sort of like the magic carpet that can take me into the past, present and future. I can realize truths and wisdoms with the subconscious mind that the conscious mind is not capable of.
To give you an example: I've been able to see Angels in their truer state of Being not with my physical eyes but with my psychic, "third eye". I've also been able to see beautiful colors beyond the range of the physical eyes with my psychic," third eye". We all have the capabilities of developing our psychic abilities and it is a beautiful thing.

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by B J Booth on Jan 9th, 2004, 11:17am

Hey, guys! Some very interesting exchange of thoughts and ideas. If any of you have not already done so. and have a bit of free time, go to the main Casebook site, and look over the abduction section, located here:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/alienabductions.html

I have worked several years putting this information up, and it has been a learning process as I went. One thing that I have gleaned from the research is that I have learned very little from ONE case that you can take to ANOTHER case. They are all so diversified, and unique in their own right. Of course, this is assuming that all of the facts presented there are correct, which unfortunately, I cannot say 100%.

We have fairly well documented cases of abduction where the participants lives were drastically changed for the worse, probably 95%. Was this the intention of the abductors or a bi-product of a preordained scientific mission? I don't know.

Then there are a few isolated cases where the abductees lives were enchanced, i. e. health problems cleared up, etc...(Salter Case, for one.)

I guess what I am saying is that I am looking for feedback, opinion, etc from some of you on these cases, which are pretty much accepted by most Ufologists as genuine. Keep in mind some of the vast differences in the case details. Here are a couple that strike me right off.

The Betty Andreasson case--beings which 'hopped" like rabbits, and literally "froze" time for those family members in the house.

The most unique appearance of the Pascagoula aliens.

Why the Travis Walton case is looked down on so much, when it has as much corroborative testimony as any abduction case.

These are only a few, but if any of you get the time, I would be very interested in your feedback on some of these alleged abducition cases.

Thanks,
B J


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jan 9th, 2004, 2:13pm

Thanx, BJ for taking the time to post all that work. I have perused it numerous times.

I think the biggest problem w/ abductions is that nearly all involve "hypnosis." Hypnosis is not taken seriously by the scientific community and there are good reasons (which I don't know offhand.) Another problem is that "sleep paralysis" displays virtually the same effects as many abductions. Basically the investigator ends up dwelling in the realm of psychology and psychology is considered a soft science for a good reason. That's why I like the Pascagouli encounter, no psychology grin.

Is intelligence using abductions to commit psychic experiments on us? U have to wonder ....
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by B J Booth on Jan 9th, 2004, 2:36pm

Yes, several good points. You must remember however, that in many cases, at least part of an abduction scenario was being played in the minds of the participants before any type of hypnosis was done. In the Allagash case, it was ten years before one of the Weiner twins sought this type of help, also in the Bluff Ledge encounter, it was some twenty years before the two abductees spoke after the initial happening.

As to the sleep paralysis, I do know what you are saying, and I have read a fair amount about this enigma, and I am sure many suffer from this ailment. However, many of the best known cases took place in when the abductees were not in bed, but engaged in some outdoor activity, canoeing, riding in a car, working a the kitchen, etc. Just a few thoughts, thanks for the feedback.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jan 10th, 2004, 02:34am

Yeah, there's def something going on w/ these abductions. It's not all the imagination.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jan 10th, 2004, 08:22am

It was a slow transition for me to accept the idea that aliens abducted people. Remember the fringe people in the fifties and sixties? "Aliens took me to the moon!" type thing. I wrote it all off to wackos. After a few well-written books, I eventually came around to the idea that there's something to it. All the cases you have posted B.J. involve reputable people who have suffered from the experience in one way or another. That alone speaks volumes.

HJ

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Layla on Jan 23rd, 2004, 03:29am

Just on the TV news:

A transport engineer working for a local council in Victoria, Australia was taking photographs of the railway and rail traffic signals, and when the photographs were made up there was a UFO in the sky.
The engineer said he did not see or hear the UFO....and did not know about it until the photographs were developed.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jan 24th, 2004, 4:43pm

I read that one on the mainstream news. Actually the newspaper I read it on is not owned by Big Media but close enough grin. I'm impressed but I believe it's a digital pic and digital pics cannot be verified.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Layla on Jan 25th, 2004, 05:32am

Good'aye Mini....

Nah the big CEO came on the TV and said the photograph was serious......no tricks.....
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jan 26th, 2004, 08:48am

BJ, thank you for your very interesting research and information and feedback. If you will recall I had a very interesting experience with UFOs in the middle of a busy afternoon and in the heart of New York City while I was engaged in walking to my job. I do not know if I was physically abducted but I know the experience was real and I have not suffered any bad effects. I am posting this experience and I would like your comments and thoughts. I shall also post this experience in the abduction web site. Thank you, Irwyn

I recall a memorable experience with a U.F.O. it was during the day in July 1962 at exactly 3:40 PM and I was hurrying to my job as a clerk at the Grand Central Post Office. I recall the exact time because I had to punch my timecard to start work at 4 PM and I only had 20 minutes to meet this deadline. I was south of Lexington Avenue and East 42nd Street in Manhattan and walking very briskly while trying to dodge the heavy pedestrian traffic.
As I was looking straight ahead, I suddenly felt my skull in the back of my head had been removed in an area of about 5 inches in diameter. It felt to me as if I was having a lobotomy operation and I could feel the coolness inside my head and a loss of bone density in this area. This area of my head had become numb. This feeling of numbness was very similar to the feeling that one experiences when a foot or an arm “falls asleep” due to the pinching off of a nerve.

Then I saw with amazing clarity, as if I had an eye in this “missing” area of my head, a disk shaped spacecraft which I “knew” to be about 250 miles above the Earth. This craft was gently rocking back and forth as if in a gentle magnetic breeze. I was able to “see” into the interior of the spacecraft whose dimensions I sensed to be about 18 feet in diameter by about nine feet high.
I saw three “men” inside this craft. They all appeared to be about 5 ft. 7 inches tall. They all had white skin, black hair, gray eyes, and they all looked identical in appearance. They were each dressed in a gray colored mechanics type overall, which had no buttons or zippers or any apparent method of opening or closing this garment.
One “man” had his back to me and was seated on a raised plastic type molded chair. He was facing a crescent shaped keyboard of many different colored lights. This keyboard somehow reminded me of the music organ at Radio City Music Hall. I “knew” that this keyboard was the operating panel for the spaceship.
Another “man” was walking from the left side of the vessel toward the center. The third “man” was bent over a central support column which ran from the ceiling to the floor and made me think of the center axis of a gyroscope. He was peering into a black binocular type sighting device, which somehow reminded me of a Norden bomb-sight. I realized that he was watching me through this instrument.

Then I saw what looked like a steel cable coming from the bottom of the spacecraft and connecting to the back of my head, and although I knew it was not a physical cable, I sensed that it was to show me that a communication connection had been made from the spaceship to my brain. The cable followed my every movement as I dodged the human traffic on the street, and I felt that I was connected mentally to that spaceship.
During that day at work I tried to believe that this experience had really happened to me, but it was so unbelievable to me that my mind was inclined to dismiss it as an hallucination.
When I returned home that night after work, within a block of my house I saw a brilliant flash of silver light streak from one end of the sky to the other like the blurred movement of a silver colored metallic object. This silver light traveled across the sky at a speed almost too fast for the eye to follow. At this point I looked at my watch and I saw that the time was exactly 3:40 AM, exactly 12 hours after the UFO sighting experience. I took this to be a confirmation from the spacecraft that my experience had been real.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jan 26th, 2004, 09:02am

BJ, The new abduction Web site is fantastic. I tried to post my UFOs experience but could not find any way to post it. How can we contribute our experience stories to the abduction web site? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by scottreed1 on Jan 30th, 2004, 12:34pm

on Jan 10th, 2004, 08:22am, hjdelight wrote:
It was a slow transition for me to accept the idea that aliens abducted people. Remember the fringe people in the fifties and sixties? "Aliens took me to the moon!" type thing. I wrote it all off to wackos. After a few well-written books, I eventually came around to the idea that there's something to it. All the cases you have posted B.J. involve reputable people who have suffered from the experience in one way or another. That alone speaks volumes.

HJ


Keep in mind that many of those 'fringe' UFO books from the 50's and 60's may not have seemed quite so wacky when you compare their stories against how much was known of the universe at the time. For example, Adamski described a forest region on the Moon during one of his travels aboard a saucer. In the late 1950's, this idea was still quite fantastic, but not totally beyond consideration, since we didn't really know what we would find on the Moon. The idea of Venusians and Martians had equal consideration.

I would suggest that the modern UFO motif, readily accepted by today's UFO proponents may fall under your definition of wacko fringe beliefs 30 or 40 years from now. I'm not saying this with certainty, but I think it important to look at the UFO puzzle from a wider, more historical perspective before dismissing Adamski and his era as unimportant. What you are doing is studying UFO's selectively rather than accepting all of it as valuable information.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jan 31st, 2004, 10:02am

I agree with MIB that in order to understand the big picture in the meaning of UFOs in regard to us we cannot selectively choose stories or accounts regarding UFOs as acceptable to our judgment of what is real and what is not real, and what is credible and what is not credible. There is no chart showing what is the real UFO and what is a fake. There is no guideline as to what a genuine UFO alien should look like. We cannot become statisticians and catalogers only. We should try to learn from the abduction stories and sightings rather than to limit our imput and perspective.
If we can concept that UFOs have been around since the beginning of Man and may have been the architects and Creators of the human race then you can realize how important this subject is and how it connects to the total experience of the human race. Let us think and learn and not judge.
What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by scottreed1 on Feb 6th, 2004, 11:53am

It's selective belief based on only a fraction of the UFO data collected in the last 20 or 30 years. Most UFO proponents and alien abduction 'experts' don't like to acknowledge the George Adamski's or Billy Meier's out there who were actually more influential in shaping the face of ufology than anyone, save perhaps Strieber.

Why are the so-called 'fringe' or whacko flying saucer stories of the 50's ignored? Because by acknowledging the entire database of UFO reports, many UFO proponents would be forced to re-evaluate their views.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Feb 6th, 2004, 8:57pm

It's necessary to draw a line regarding any subject as contentious as this. This is called judgement. You draw yours, I'll draw mine about Strieber or the earlier contactees.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PHILROBBINS on Feb 7th, 2004, 08:25am

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in a long past due reply to those that made comments
about my lat two posts . i was off line for two months , is the reason why. too those of you that in some what agreed i appreciate you greatly, to those of you theat disagreed , i'm glad we can disagree agreeably and still
continue to bannter our various views. because its been my expierience that the truth generally lies somewhere inbetween. so yes i appreciate your opposing views.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PHILROBBINS on Feb 7th, 2004, 09:15am

this reply to backlit ,

i above all people know how people have twisted the bible to make it say alot of things that it doesn't for their
own resons. but if we analize what is happening
then we may come to a better understanding of what and who GOD is.
1st god is like a scientist who follows very strict quide lines that he may have established for himself to follow while working on an expierament. as any scientist will
they if working on any planned project are the master of their project and the project can't tell the scientist how they can or cannot be treated during this project.
even if they are vagually aware of him. its as the bible says , it is i (god) who have created you and not you me.
and what he was in reference to is , we are not in control of our destinies but god is.

what if you were a scientist working on a project lets say single cell organism with strict guide lines and a definitive purpose to accomplish a dissired end . what would you do ,even if that single celled project suddenly
rose up and said you don't have the right to tell us what to do . would you inject somthing into the project to show the single cell life forms that they weren't in control. (classic example the tower of babel)
god saw that man was getting to a point that nothing that he put their minds to that they might accomplish ,
(the reason being they were of one language)) so what did the (god) scientist do . caused division in the languages so that their was no understanding any maore between men. and its worked so far .
another thing ,as far as god being imature being,
(even if that was true) he's still the creator and we the created . now to show you i'm not a complete a**
god in the scriptures has *(according to how it was recorded in the old testament) showed some human like qualities such as anger . when the people that followed him for 40 years , while he was up on a mountain with god for an extended amount of time they got moses own brother to make an idol of a golden ox.
while up on the mountain god saw this an made comment to moses while angry that he would destroy
these people and give moses another people to follow him. moses reply was kill me also, because what would the eneimies of the jews say that their god lead them out into the desert to destroy (what he called his chosen people) was it moses level headed thinking that caused god to repent from his anger(and the bible says as much.) or was it a preplanned thing to see what or how moses would respond.
maybe alittle of both possibly.

becareful how you respond to that question , because i'm going to lay a heavy thought on you.
the new testament says that while jesus was having the last passover with his disciples that he and judas
had a last parting words. " go and do as you must!!"
was jesus aware of what judas had already done,was it preplanned. judas had gone to the ruling priests and
planned to sell jesus out to them for 30 pieces of silver.
remembering that it was fortold in prophecy that that would be the case and that it would be one that was
close to jesus?(by that i mean a disciple of his) , for what ever reasons it seems that judas fell into guilt or remorse because of his actions . and he hung himself
and the thirty pieces of silver (because it was blood money was used to purchase potters field) again planned because that to was prophesied in the old testament. another incident that happened in the new testament with jesus was jesus did something and its recorded as , "so that he would fulfill the prophies concerning him " planned or not. the (god ) scientist
had it already planned out and even told us thru prophecy that it would.

god being imature (possibly) but he's the one in charge of this project not us.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PHILROBBINS on Feb 7th, 2004, 09:44am

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to hj and nightwalker, thanks for what would appear to be friendly banter which i love , even if it is in humorous
form. what makes you think the government doesn't know more than saying. one should hold the gov. to let the people know the truth about what it knows. but the government has the saying plausible deniablity by distorting or deniing the truth. its been said and even
addressed in tv programs that there is a gov. within a government. did you know that the presidents day and
even so of his policies are predetermined by this secret
gov. (a president who makes campaine promise and after getting elected seems to do the opposite of what he says he believes in) but yet tries to counter by getting other things accomplished that helps what he says he believes in. how many can relate to that .
the goverment has kept so much from the people that it would stagger the imagination. and thats just the USA goverment.

now for a biblical example: the book of revalations
says that when jesus comes back they would flee to the
mountains and plead that the mountians to fall upon them ,because of what they saw and were told was not.

sounds pretty crytic doesn't it, however what if god
(and jesus) comes back in ufo's to judge the earth after
the christian believers have been removed.(beam me up scotty) the governments of this world have told a lie so much that many have believed it and if that did happen
what would one say, (world wide panic ,running to and fro trying to get away from what they were told didn't exist by the governments of the world) they might say
fall on us mountains so that we may hide from what we see.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PHILROBBINS on Feb 7th, 2004, 10:18am

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this reply is to minitrue to his reply to layla,about the scaling issue:

sometimes mans itelligence gets in his way so much that he's blinded by the simply truth.

even though the article was interestint that you directed layla to it wasn't exactly true .
(what!! i know your saying this lol)

but lets take this thought as to scaling:

a new born baby in relationship to say a 6 ft grown person may be what ?
ok , average baby lenght generally speaking is 17 to 19
inches
baby weight is generally 5 to 7 lbs. on an average

porportionately that baby is ,and can vary depending on what some may consider to be an average adult.
any where from 10 to 20 size larger than that new born.
stop and think about it . does that article line up with
what we know about a new born baby growing up to an adult.? ok i realize the article was refering to already mature fly to a giant mature fly and what those
supposed changes would be but we're looking at suppostion (what they believe would happen) and not necessarly based on fact that can be viably established.
(to my knowledge or the worlds knowledge no one has ever created a giant fly to substanate the therory
suggested by the article to prove the articles claims.
since no one has its only a therory and supposition.

layla would you agree or disgree

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PHILROBBINS on Feb 7th, 2004, 10:30am

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an addium to layla

sizing of things:

a great man planned one of the most ambitious
endevours in the 1900's that he designed a air plain that many engineers said would never get off the
ground because of its design. yet this did not stop
this man from making the biggest air plain ever made
which is scientifical immpossible according to
the science of engineering .

now it may seem that i'm chopping my nose off to despite my face but this is not the case. this man was able to bring his design into being to prove his point
there by taking the design out of the therory of possible flying it to actually flying it and proving the fact.

someone should ask the author of the giant fly to show his giant fly and his prove its potentials(which like i say is impossible)

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PHILROBBINS on Feb 7th, 2004, 11:04am

this is to layla for her post relating to the miniture ufo:

layla i think the story is fascinating ,however there are some falacies that the writer of the article should have
checked on. (also if you can and there is a way please
bring to the forum verification of the article such as the one that we looked at about the sizing of the small fly and the giant fly) i'm a ufo nut from the 1960's and belonged to an amature ufo ,astronomy club. i'm by no way saying i'm an expert in the field but with some
reasoning logic and knowing astronatical terms and what they mean one would be able to tell how much validity to place on any story. i'm not questioning the size of the ufo or the possible size of the garden size ant human like being. 1st no mention as to how the mini-ufo was actually caught , weither by accident or intentionally. being the size that it was there would be no way to track it by radar , so i'm going to assume that it was caught by accident someone thinking it being an insect to discover it being something else.

the tenth planet (and bibically speaking there should be
12 )so the nine planets we are aware of for sure is not complete. to call a 12 to 15 ft boulder a planet in astronanomical terms is a misnamed. we might more
in our terms call it a small astroid or meteor .
now for the small inhabinets of this astroid or meteor
to them it may be home (to them their planet of sorts)
a planetoid type of realastate is anything larger than 4 or 5 miles in diameter but less than 100 miles .

however i do subscribe to a planet therory on the opposite side of the earth that we might never see
because of celestial dianamics .

a boulder of 10 to 15 ft in diameter may be seen by a very large telescope with electronic amplication but
it by no means would be classified a planet.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PHILROBBINS on Feb 7th, 2004, 11:37am

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to all those who posted about alien adductions:

there is a host of reported adductions ,some true and some made up. we'd be fools to believe that there are not those that are false. yet because of the false ones we should not throw out the real ones with the dish water so to speak.

there are those accounts were people claim they were taken while asleep, they may have been missing for days or even in some cases weeks. to be found walking on a road or field some where close to their home still in their night clothes. in a daze and not making much rational sense at that time.
there are those who claim the were taken while drive late at night on a lonely road.

the validity to me is if and how these people hold up
to the situation they find themselves in.
admittedly many people have died for a cause ,even if that cause was an erronous cause.
however i don't beleive many of the people would continue to hang onto a made up lie if they new they made it up. to me those that have suffered year in and year out because they didn't want to recount their story because they knew something happened to them ,i would be more enlitened to believe as being true.

do i believe in adducties of ufo's or close encounters
yes i do because i believe i had at least one that i'm sure about. there are some incidents that happened to me that i'm not as sure about but as the old saying goes they have the dog ear marks of these type of incidents. hang in there people one day we'll know the whole truth.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Feb 7th, 2004, 1:10pm

on Feb 7th, 2004, 10:18am, PHILROBBINS wrote:
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(to my knowledge or the worlds knowledge no one has ever created a giant fly to substanate the therory
suggested by the article to prove the articles claims.
since no one has its only a therory and supposition.


Mother nature has tried. In animals there are 2 body structure designs, endoskeltons (vertebrates) & exoskeletons (arthropods). One of the heavists insects is the Goliath Beetle. In the water the largest arthropod is the Japanese spider crab. The exoskeleton just won't support larger body plans. Gravity is the limiting factor. On another planet where the acceleration of gravity < 9.8 m/s2 an insect could get larger but here on earth it would be crushed.
A neborn baby has an endoskeleton. Engineers & physicists hane their models and scientific articles.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Feb 7th, 2004, 11:29pm

No Phil, I don't think the Father is immature. I think that stories in the Bible portray him as being that way to some extent in the old testament. I think somewhere along the way man lost his link to spiritual evolution. My opinoin is that the old testament does not portray the true nature of God and that JC came here to realign our understanding. Also along these lines it is hard for me to understand how people can equate God as a singular entity with decidedly human personality. But then again is what we read all that we know about him?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Feb 7th, 2004, 11:34pm

Sorry everyone for the OT stuff tongue
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PHILROBBINS on Feb 8th, 2004, 07:47am

grinTEXTTEXTTEXT
to backlit:

i fully agree with you, jesus did come to straigten out things that man corrupted, the temple cleanzing is an
example of that. and there are other examples as well.

however i wish to apologize to the rest of the list ,if they do not understand were i'm coming from with my christian beliefs. the bible has many examples of ufo,
angel(alien) contacts found within its pages.

such as : flying smoking pots, wheels within wheels,
pillars of clouds(pillars of fire) ,clouds, moving stars
to name a few. however if one looks at the way some
of this is discribed in the bible we find that some like the star of bethlehem was moving in directions not in accordance to the rest of the stars. because it wasn't a star but a ufo. so to me the bible does play an important part in the explanation of them and what they are. weither we choose to beleive it or not.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by meacon on Feb 8th, 2004, 12:40pm

on Feb 6th, 2004, 11:53am, MIB wrote:
It's selective belief based on only a fraction of the UFO data collected in the last 20 or 30 years. Most UFO proponents and alien abduction 'experts' don't like to acknowledge the George Adamski's or Billy Meier's out there who were actually more influential in shaping the face of ufology than anyone, save perhaps Strieber.

Why are the so-called 'fringe' or whacko flying saucer stories of the 50's ignored? Because by acknowledging the entire database of UFO reports, many UFO proponents would be forced to re-evaluate their views.



Bingo bango!!

By George, he's got it!!!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by scottreed1 on Feb 12th, 2004, 10:54am

And now a moment of silence...
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Feb 12th, 2004, 7:25pm

To backlit, I agree with you. It is so ridiculous and illogical to concept God or the Creator as a single entity with human traits and a sexual identity. Example given; father God. It is a equally ridiculous to believe that this omnipotent Being had a human son. Shall we trace the family tree of God to see if "He" had a daughter or wife. Maybe I am the second cousin of God? We are so foolish and so limited that we continually Xerox our human knowledge and try to superimpose it on Higher Intelligence Beings. Maybe we need a brain transplant?
What do you think? Irwyn embarassed
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Feb 12th, 2004, 7:36pm

To PhilRobbins, can you do some research for me? Can you relate to me the biblical passage that refers to a King of Israel who was very troubled because a superior army was due to have a battle with his troops the following day. At this time he looked up and on the road he saw two men who were either from UFOs or Angels. These two"men" told him not to worry because the battle would be won by him. I am trying to match these two"men" from the biblical times to the modern times when I was contacted by two "men" who were not from this world when I was giving a lecture in Montreal. Were they the same two Beings? Thank you for your help, Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Feb 12th, 2004, 7:40pm

Interesting thoughts Timetraveler. Maybe we should just let this one go and edge back toward the subject of UfO's before we open new can of worms.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Feb 12th, 2004, 8:43pm

Too late me thinks.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Feb 12th, 2004, 9:29pm

Hj you forgot to hide the can opener again!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PHILROBBINS on Feb 13th, 2004, 1:55pm

cheesy grin

to timetravelor , will work on this for you , however may take abit to locate the exact scripture without knowing for sure which king your refering to. the incident your describing somehow seems to be familiar though.

if you wish to contact me directly without having to wait for ufo case forums mailing contacts you may reach me at plr4me2000@yahoo.com

also in email heading make sure you put timetravelor
ufo forum so i'll know its you just in case your email addy may be different from the ufo listing.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Feb 16th, 2004, 11:05am

I am sorry if I offend some people with my thoughts. I do not intend to open up a can of worms. It may sound ridiculous but when I speak of Angels or the Creator or UFOs I'm not discussing religion. Since religions are so dogmatic to me and so illogical in the belief systems and since I have had dealings with Angels and UFOs I cannot subscribe to any religion or discuss the merits or disadvantages of any religion. I am interested in understanding the Creator principle, Angels, UFOs and my identity and purpose in the Universe. The teachings of religions have not helped me therefore I prefer to communicate with the source, rather than to be frustrated with the ignorance of the human knowledge.

What do you think? Irwyn cool


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by backlit on Feb 16th, 2004, 5:33pm

No problem timetraveler. My apologies!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Feb 16th, 2004, 8:50pm

Not to worry Irwyn. You have never offended me. The can of worms remark was aimed at the dogmatists in general me thinks, not at you. wink

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rob on Feb 17th, 2004, 07:55am

Hi, guys. I have to agree with H.J & Backlit on this, it is a very diverse subject. This has cropped up from time to time on other parts of the board which I have Gotten myself involved with along with Layla. It is a massive "can of worms" to open for sure. Irwyn, I don`t think anybody could possibly be offend by you, the other way around most probably cheesy.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Feb 18th, 2004, 4:52pm

Getting back to UFOs. The pyramids in Egypt are aligned exactly with the constellation Orion. I believe that there was space travel or time travel in the great pyramids with the constellation Orion. There are several other pyramid complexes in the world. Are they aligned with other Constellations?
I believe that the Constellation Orion influenced people on Earth and gave them inventions and ideas regarding technology and medicine and the sciences. I believe that the Constellation Pleides contributed to the people on Earth music and art. I believe that Sirius instructed and influenced the people on Earth in warfare and weapons of distruction used in warfare.
I believe that our Planet has been a staging ground and an experimental station for several different Constellations and Worlds.
I had a flashback of a past life in which I saw myself coming from Orion to this Planet 150,000 years ago together with 39 other Beings to the area near Bimini. This was the first Atlantis. There have been other Atlantis colonies at later times.
We were Space Scientists and we came to this Planet to perform experiments on living creatures and on the magnetic fields and weather systems.
I was a genetic engineer and I experimented on the existing humanoid Beings. I was able to tweak and manipulate the genetic coding to create creatures that were part human and part animal or part human and part bird. At that time I lacked compassion and emotion for living creatures. I'm not proud of that life. My penance for that experience in this life is to respect living creatures and to assist them in reaching a higher awareness in their evolution.
How many of us are following similar paths?
What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Feb 21st, 2004, 03:36am

U know timetraveler at some point we will be forced to recognize a new religion, call it ETism if you will. Distrust of all government and anywhere from mild fascination to outright "worship" of ET's. It's already starting to backfire on the military powers. I guess u could count me as a disciple for better or worse. Maybe this is how they are preparing us. Maybe the intentions are sinister but that's not for me to decide. Or maybe there really is no such thing as an ET.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Feb 21st, 2004, 07:47am

To minitrue, by Jove I think you got it! The Cosmic program under way at this time is to discredit all religions and to reveal them as instruments that cause war and dissension and separatism. There is the need to learn a Universal belief system that recognizes the Universe as a complexity of many different Worlds and Dimensions and Cultures with many different shapes and forms of intelligent Beings.
We must expand our thinking and give up our egocentric belief system. This will give us a greater respect for living forms and for the higher intelligences that exist throughout the Universe.
It is so unrewarding to believe that we are the beginning and the end of life in the Universe.
Let us expand our minds and our consciousness level to prepare to meet our neighbors in the Universe and to learn from them.

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by tripmaster on Mar 27th, 2004, 3:21pm

Its all a conspiracy. The ghosts in this world are working together with alien ghosts on the 11th plain or dimension. The governments are involved. Spirits and aliens will make an announcement in the near future by shutting down the earths electrical supplies in every country simultaneously to send a message which will appear on our computer screens.

Seriously you need an aspirin and a glass of water when you take in Michael Penningtons theory.

http://www.michaelpennington.uni.cc
http://www.michaelpennington.co.uk

There are so many versions now under names like George Rowling, Michael Allred, Wilfred, Mikhail etc etc but the global mission theory is the same each time.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Mar 28th, 2004, 4:57pm

Ghosts of aliens invading the earth huh. That sounds like "Final Fantasy." grin Truth be told, the Japanese are actually more into this stuff then the Americans.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Mar 29th, 2004, 5:32pm

Minitrue, you are so right. who can we trust? We cannot trust our own government. We can't trust the general public because they are very easily misled. We have to trust ourselves.

What do you think? Irwyn sad
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Mar 29th, 2004, 10:53pm

Well...I do trust myself but I'm a little worried about you other guys....lol! grin grin grin Couldn't resist...again. Sorry.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AVON on Apr 8th, 2004, 9:46pm

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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AVON on Apr 8th, 2004, 9:52pm

Sorry about my first post.I am new here and looking forward to chatting soon. I have many questions and things to add but I will reserve them and read posts.This is not easy for me to write for the first time.On my next post I will however.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 8th, 2004, 10:17pm

Welcome Avon. You can edit your posts. In the upper right there should be a modify button. That way you won't have to apologize for errors. Just change it or delete it. smiley

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AVON on Apr 9th, 2004, 7:14pm

Thank you for the welcome. Where to begin? I guess I will start at going back some 10yrs ago[I'm 40 now] This is abduction related ,but I have to tell it so it makes sense. Ok here goes...I am a big fan of Blakes 7[british scifi] but 10 yrs ago I wasn't although I had seen a very brief episode late at night on a local PBS station here in Colorado.Well to bring this up to date at about 5yrs ago,I began to recieve strange voices that were not my own whenever I went to some of my favourite hangout spots to be alone.At first it scared the ^%$*&*&^%$ out of me.It also happened to begin at the lowest point in my life.I was very overweight and no matter what I did I could not drop the weight and my self esteem dropped to the point that I was thinking of checking out,so to speak.Well,that was when I bought my first computer and when I went on line I was playing with different entries and decided to see if that scifi I had seen before had any info on it and the one character in it [who is my namesake Avon] I was shocked at all the sites for it.I don't want anyone to think this is just a person who is soooo into this that I should take this to a scifi site.The voices that I heard were now giving me directions that would transform my appearence and that they would do the rest.Then I got angry,really angry thinking that these voices,entities,were just in my head and I was dreaming.Very quickly after they talked to me as I drifted off to sleep soothingly.They told me that they were beings from a small planet around Sirius and tha the reason they had come to my assistance is that I was one of them.The weight dropped very fast over the next five years and my appearence as promised.I was then told that since Avon was my role model that it would be fitting to to see how close they could get me to his appearence and I laughed.Then I was simply directed to cut my then longish hair in the style he wore and at the salon when I looked at the finished cut I nearly fell off my chair.I didn't recognise me.I am still awed by this.They have since been communicating regularly and to top it off my blood type was "O+" now it is confirmed by a medical lab that it's A-. They told me I would start noticing other "gifts"as I went along.So now I get lots of stares in public and people calling me Avon[which is flattering ] I don't quite know what to do with it all and at times even get anxiety attacks when I go out.I have since been coming out more to people about the governments activities concerning their incideous abductions of citizens of which I know I have been and still am.I should point out that the reptillian race of ET's work with them and they have an agenda.Sexual activity[ies] is very common with government abductions.Anyhoo,I think Ive taken enough space for now but if anyone has ever had a transforming experience I 'd love to know.I feel I am still alone on this one.Hope I don't sound like a nut,because this is very real. Be back soon.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 9th, 2004, 9:35pm

Sorry...you sound like a nut. And so would anyone else if something like this had happened to them and they had the guts to talk about it. Even if you were a nut, you'ld still have the right to post here. No one reading your story knows who you are so don't be self-conscious about it.

Have you had any sightings of UFOs? Abduction cases usually include occasional sightings.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AVON on Apr 10th, 2004, 12:21pm

I am a truck driver by profession and there have been three times that I have seen strange low craft or what seemed to be craft. The first time was in Missouri on a desolate farming area.I witnessed it in the truck and stopped for what seemed like at least a half an hour. This craft or whatever it was,was translucent and round like a bubble and it hovered.No noises came from it and the colours of it were kind of in the oranges and reds mixed in a swirl.It was about the size of my rig including the cab.I have a 50' trailer.This UFO was in the middle of the farming field and it was so weird that it kept me riveted to looking at it. Next time was a few yrs. ago in Colorado.It was the same darn UFO type as I just described.It was over a lot and then it did dissappear very quickly.It didn't rise up and go but faded smaller and was gone.Ii didn't stick around to see how the first one left.And yes both times I am missing some recordable time in my book.The third time was in Colorado too but this was a sighting in the mountains and it was metallic and at a great distance. I kind of wondered what my first response was going to be and was grateful not to have my head bit off. So thanks for your response.I am also an artist [drawing and painting]and have done many space type paintings and some surreal stuff but always trying to explain my dreams which have been a lot lately.I am convinced that I have had and continue to have multiple abductions. I write on two separate sites for Blakes 7 fan fiction under another pen name and it totally has nothing to do with UFO's ,but abductions are a big theme in mine.I have experienced that sleep paralysis thing when an abduction is taking place.My little Ratt terrier is a barker and always alert and so on these nights he is NOT!After being abducted I wake up feeling at times very tired or the reverse with having too much energy.Currently I have been taken by the government type people to what looks like an underground warehouse and it is huge.I don't recognise any of the equiptment they use or have used and there are mens and womens voices.I can sometimes see faces and they terrify me.I can't stop them and I feel helpless.I know it is in my nature to ask questions and I know I asked them the obvious ones.I get no replies and the long early morning activities they conduct begin.I know it involves sexual activities and interrogation. I've been given the reason I am there but it is vague.I "talk"too much and I'm a threat.Among other reasons this is what I have been led to believe.However,I won't stop talking to others who are aware and so this violation will most likely continue. I was taken by a UFO as a child I was 2 or 3 at the time.I was playing with other children while with them.They were human looking but yet had very pale skin and thin.They don't play like normal children do but they are more reserved,aloof and they like to explore hands and face.The occupants of the craft or what I think was the craft were more reptillian looking and non emotionalI kept being referred to as the Sirian child.I too in my nature am not overly emotional,in fact when it comes right down to it I have been described as non-emotional and that I imitate human behavior to be able to pass here. I tend to be a loner and have few friends because I am looking at humans as a whole from the ceiling down so to speak.I'm outside the box.I' don't fit in and at times it has caused me to do great harm to myself.As punishment I put a lot of weight on years ago and when the Sirians transformed me they had to bring me back to physical sanity.It's amazing how far some will go to fit in the so called norms of human society.The government people as I call them who have been taking me,Know what I am.They return me only because I appear human and they believe I will lead them to others like me and they want other things.I am adopted also from birth and by my family accounts my records and medical history is ambiguous and even appears to not exist even though I have been back to the agency through which I was adopted.I am still trying to scan or remote view back to those records. Why the government has interest also is that here in Colorado I work part time at a federal facility.I have remote viewed the site numerous times and am truly shocked at the amount of 'things"I have seen and found and then the abductions began. Well, this has been a novella.I'll be back soon.Thanks again for the welcome.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 11th, 2004, 12:25am

You're welcome, Avon. Yours is a very interesting story. Perhaps you should contact a professional researcher. This is usually an author, such as Budd Hopkins, but there are others, such as the NIDS group. A lot of what you relate is fairly typical of abductions as you probably know, but some aspects are very atypical. This might interest a researcher very much.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PHILROBBINS on Apr 11th, 2004, 1:06pm

TO AVON : YOUR PROBABLY NOT THE ONLY TRUCK DRIVER THAT HAS RUN ACCROSS UFO'S ON LONELY ROADS OUT IN THE COUNTRY. I HAVE READ SOME REPORTS IN THE PAST DURING THE 1960'S WHEN A VERY LARGE UFO FLAP TOOK PLACE ABOUT TRUCKERS SEEING THESE THINGS . CAN'T SAY THAT I REMEBER IF ANY HAD ANYTHING LIKE YOURS OR NOT BUT PLEASE DON'T FEEL THAT YOUR THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS HAD AN UNUSUAL EXPIERENCE EVEN THOUGH RIGHT NOW IT FEELS THAT WAY. THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT HAVE HAD UNUSUAL THINGS HAPPEN TO THEM AND I BELIEVE THERE'S SEVERAL THAT POST ON THIS FORUM.
MAYBE NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR THREAD BUT ON OTHER AREAS HERE. I'VE EVEN HAD AN UNUSUAL EXPIERENCE WITH UFO'S ON A DARK NITE ON NEW YEARS EVE GOING HOME FROM A CHURCH SERVICE IBN A TOWN 80 MILES FROM WHERE I LIVED AT THE TIME.
THIS OCCURRED 5 MILES OUTSIDE A VERY SMALL TOWN IN OKLA. IN 1981. AS I WAS GOING TO THE TOWN I WORKED AND LIVED IN IN TEXAS. WHICH THERE HAPPENED TO BE A UFO REPORTED IN THE AREA AT THE TIME THIS INCLUDED ANGEL HAIR SCATTERED OVER TREES AND POWER LINES COVERING SEVERAL MILES.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AVON on Apr 11th, 2004, 2:18pm

I would like to find a researcher but I'm too scared,skeptical,cynical but mostly scared.I have been reading a lot on starseeds and this has been very insightful and interesting. I read back on this site,someone talking very briefly on Sirius.I will admit when I was with them or home as I like to say,I have found that there are several races on three planets in the system.Some are not very friendly and mine weren't for an incredibly long time.Satais is the name of the planet and it behind the "pup".It is a planet smaller than earth and they were war like.Some still are.I like to refer the atmosphere as amethyst coloured and two suns.One is very distant and white and the other sort of darker reddish orange.It is very warm in areas while other areas are hot.Water is not H2O like here.Yet it can sustain life and our bodies need it.No oceans like earth but dark smaller lakes which could be seen as a sea.The ground is dark crimson,indigo and lighter shades of umber which is fine grained on the surface but below is harder.Plants grow and what look like trees sort of but they are alien themselves.Clouds are not in the atmosphere but shades of amethyst as I mentioned above. Housing structures are partially underground and can be seen above depending on location and they are transparent surfaces with no edges on some.To me they look like half bubbles sitting above ground.Ships are metallic appearing and some of what I call cargo or freight ships are not goodlooking at all.They are in fact bulky and ugly.The deep space ships are quite beautiful and also transparent.I've seen the liquid that is water -like used for fuel as well.I don't know the name of this liquid but it appears to be natural to the planet[s] and can be used by us or as fuel and I have seen it coloured and even musical if that makes sense.It has a slight metallic taste or bitterness but it is very slight and tastes overall pretty good.Our natural skin tones vary from race to race.Pale to olive to dark[almost black]Hair can vary in colour and eyes for Sirians are golds to hazel and sometimes green is common.Heights vary and Sirians can pass easily on earth without standing out like a sore thumb.Light sensitivity is a characteristic.Even when it is an overcast day here it is still too bright for us.Even some artificial lighting is painful.Shapeshifting to a certain degree is also characteristic.Not only with animals but differnt people and things but it takes up so much energy for us to do it on earth that we only do it once in a great while.Militarily they have a small military[they don't call it that though and they are involved in the sciences more and the fighting force is made up of both physical fighting forces and psychological forces. The Sirians or Sataisians have not been at war for a very long time.They are wary of humans of earth and some of us dislike humans or mistrust them.They help only if it is in their best interest The other two planets of which is commonly called Niburu is mother planet and our parent race the Lyrans still exist there.Through mixing of genes the Lyrans have created several races.Sirians are one of them and one of the first. It would be more correct to call Sirians ,Sataisians or Lyrans,Vegans.Sirius is our star system.The strangest race I've encountered are insectoid type of race called Anua. They remind me of fast talking sales men and always ready to make a deal .They can be bought and sold and not always trustworthy.They are not warlike per say but will work for the enemy if the price is right.Currency[ies] I have never seen any.They trade heavily and I think our liquids and raw materials are currencyhuhNot sure though.Telepathy is a trait and the language kind of reminds me of Hebrew a bit or Arabic in that it sounds like that. Writing is both mathematical and musical frequency. There have been abductions of Earth people for genetic purposes.We are not a dying race that can't reproduce but are storing genetic material for the future since we had a hand in creating life on Earth eons ago.It is sort of like a living cellular library containing tissue samples and DNA etc... . Do Sirians and Pleadians get along?We have a long treaty with them.We get along but we see humans differently.They are spiritual beings and we come from a warrior race.We are spiritual but different.Different views.We have fought other beings together and have even fought each other until the treaty was made.We are and have been in the so called Galactic Alliance.On Earth we protect our own.-----from Avon
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 11th, 2004, 10:32pm

Mmmm...interesting.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by AVON on Apr 12th, 2004, 9:26pm

Thanks for the encouragement dudes.It really helps to get these experiences out onto the open.On my previous post I think I was channeling a bit and I often do even in my fan fiction writings.My stories are writen on 3 separate sites and most of the readers are UK and Australian and so when I go off into a channel they reply with "Oi,crickey mate --try sticking to the canonical story.We've never heard Avon talking sooo spiritually!"Then I have to go and read what I've written and well I usually leave it in.So I also work for a Federal facility and to give it away --the damn place is closing down[Thank G-d!!!]I am on a work crew that works with highly contaminated areas[wearing a suit and the whole nine yards-respirator and all. Very scary place and it will become a wildlife park once this place closes.I feel for those animals and trees and all.I don't care what they do or how much they clean it up--this shit hole will always in my mind be a hazardous place.I'm originally from New York City.Lived in Colorado now for 16yrs.and still haven't lost the accent.I have seen lots of weird stuff while living in NY Long Island.It was more along the super natural though.UFO"s for me were only dreamt about.Now I know better.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Apr 21st, 2004, 7:14pm

Avon, your stories are so interesting and are so real. Welcome to the club. I also have had several experiences in real life and in my psychic life with UFOs, Angels and past lives. I am a dream analyst and I can help you with your dreams, if you wish. I am posting two experiences which relate to past life memories.

I had a similar dream or vision in which I saw a laboratory type room and I saw against the wall a device that looked like a console TV that gave off a purple color light in its screen. I knew that if I looked at this purple color light my mind and my identity would be sucked into that device.

I did not feel that this was only a dream. I believe that this was a device that actually existed in a past life when I was in an outer space world and at war with another outer space world.
I recall another similar incident which happened in real-life. In the 1970s I was involved in a meeting with scientists and psychics with the Bioenergetics Institute and the Silva Mind Control Institute in New York City. The purpose of this project was to research and document psychic and electromagnetic waves that emanated from psychics when they were in the "power". As I was present in this room we were awaiting the arrival of a very famous psychic, scientist named Ingo Swann who was asked to be part of this group. I had never met this famous psychic and I was looking forward to his arrival. Then he made his appearance and as soon as I saw him I was overcome with a strong desire to destroy him as if he was an enemy spaceship and as if I was directing all of my laser weapons at him. I sensed at that time that he was from Sirius and that I was from Orion and that we were deadly enemies, like the mongoose and the cobra. At this point a woman psychic sitting next to me said to me," stop doing what you're doing, your face is turning purple".

It seems as if we each have a collective consciousness that follows us as we reincarnate. What do you think? Irwyn

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 5th, 2004, 5:45pm

The last alien implant to be pulled out of a person was from a truck driver, when he contacted me I redirected him back into civilian hands for the help.
To any person on the street this man would seem out of his mind, but I realized by how he was relaying his experience that he wanted the chip out more than anything.
Though I would mention that I have seen a UFO hanging out in downtown LA, so it doesn't have to be a lonely road.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 6th, 2004, 5:53pm

Major X. in my experience giving psychic readings I have informed at least 12 persons of implants in their bodies by ET's. In most of these cases they were aware that something foreign was embedded under the skin but they did not know what it was. I was able to identify these as implants by the ET's used to monitor and to televise their bodily functions and their daily experiences. I did this many years ago, before there were any books written about alien implants.

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 8th, 2004, 1:20pm

I would have to say one chip is for something and the other is for something else. I can only speculate about any of this. There is the cantelope and the T. We will call them the T-chip and C-chip.
The T-chip seems to be the more common of them. It is usally found in the thumb or toe, but not always. I know very little about the C-chip. The T is connected to you nervous system so that is can use your electromagnetic current for a power source. It is actively doing something within your system. The theory is genetic alteration, but I do not have access to that data. I know Dr. Lier is trying to find out what is inside and the metal is resistant to laser. They have discovered that there is no match for the metal or alloy on earth. It is also an amorphous metal and it still carries a magnetic charge. I was told this was acutally impossible, but i have to laugh when i hear that. It has these little spikes that hook up to the main piece, I think 3 of them that are inserted into your nerves. On top of this thing are 12 sacks, it kinda looks like little eyes. The thing is acutally really creapy looking and actually looks like a tiny alien.
My input at a briefing was thus... "This chip is not a tracking device it is something that is effecting or recording the body and its changes. This is obviously some sort of mini machine it is doing something more than just recording information."
Now the C-chip may be something of a tracking monitoring device but i have little information on this. Maybe they already know the answer and that is why i don't know. The other device from what i do know can be found anywhere in the body. It is not connected to nerves that i have heard. This could possible be some sort of tracking device, but yet it give off no freuquency that we can register in this reality. Nothing measurable is being broadcasted. This of course could mean that it can be activated in range or turned on with a specific communcation.
Psychically, I would have to go with your assessment to some degree. I personally am not sure about the direct application of this device as far as 'gray' television. I feel very strongly that 'grays' are mostly interested in our genes and our 'cousins' are mostly interested in helping us evovle. At this point in my life I would go with your idea more than what any scientist is telling me until they can give me some very clear answers.

I do feel they are tampering with genetics and that those people with these chips are test subjects.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 10th, 2004, 11:26pm

Being just an armchair researcher, I am, none the less, impressed with your knowledge of the subject. Thanks for sharing it with everyone here.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 10th, 2004, 11:33pm

Being just an armchair researcher, I am, none the less, impressed with your knowledge of the subject. Thanks for sharing it with everyone here. Based on my reading on the subject, I tend to agree with you. Especially with your knod to the idea that what we are dealing with might not be a part of this reality.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 11th, 2004, 7:50pm

I swear I have the hardest time getting to this sight through military lines. I have been mobile so I haven't been able to write. I would assume that I am being monitored, it isn't the first time. My commander is probably making sure I don't cause to much trouble.
I have a bunch of UFO reports, not from the miltary no, but civilians. I am sorry to say any military information I have I cannot post. You will find it in sighting...

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 11th, 2004, 8:22pm

I didn't really answer your question, Time. These beings have an extremely strong psi-ability. The grays alone have enough mental power create mass illusions. Dealing with hypnotherapy I know that a majority of the memories are repressed with post subliminal peace messages in front, then fear visions. They basically create false imagery in front of the real stuff, and in layers. A really skilled hypnotherapist could unwrap it in a few sessions, but no easy task. We are dealing with mental mechanics well beyond our ability. You may be picking up on geniune feelings from who you are reading but go deep as you can and tell me what you pick up? I ask that you be careful, this beings can be very far away and sense you looking into things.
I will say this as a psychic, I drove under a gray ship once and I will never forget the feeling. It was this sense of trepidation I cannot describe followed by some severe apathy. When they were aware I was aware they took off for some reason.
I will say there are certain beings on this planet they will not mess with ever. I only know one psychic more powrful than me, she can read minds, I wish I could do that! I can only sense what someone is feeling. I know she can handle a gray or two. She is also a contactee and very militant woman. She looks 28, but is 38, and I watch what I think around her. We became friends because I was able to block her from reading me and no one does that to her, lol.
I will swear the grays find you in your sleep. I have had encounters with these beings sleeping and with remote viewing. I will have to make a post about how you can take control of your dreams and remote view while you sleep. You won't find this stuff in a book it is hands on. Once you can control dreams that is the first step, from there you must learn to identify entities, anyway... I will work on that one.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 11th, 2004, 8:24pm

thanks for the positive feedback..

you might want to check out Dr. Leir's new book. He has a bunch of new information about those chips. I forget the name... I acutally should read it but talking to him is so much better.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jun 11th, 2004, 9:33pm

If HJ is impressed then I'm impressed. But either way u loose, IMO. The New Age Prophets just make stuff up and the Gov't people just mislead.

BTW, lately it has become almost impossible to access this site and I have DSL.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 12th, 2004, 07:59am

I am having trouble also thought it was just me, I was getting paranoid lol
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 12th, 2004, 08:56am

Thanks mini. Major, do you think they are time travelers? The grays that is...or perhaps time and dimensional travelers. This is the title of the book. Casebook: Alien Implants - Roger K. Leir Unfortunately I'll have to wait until I finish an online course I'm taking before I order it. I know I would try to read the book while really needing to study. Lol! Getting old doesn't mean you get better, you just know yourself better. Lol!

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 12th, 2004, 09:46am

Time travel... I will have to go on what our 'cousins' said. The only thing that exists is what is happening now. The concsiousness measures everything, and light is conscious, so that would mean time is not a force it's a perception, which in turn means that time travel is not a reality. If time travel were a reality I would say things would get really messy. The other reason i don't think time travel is a reality is because it would conflict with the law of free will. I will have to stick with NOW being the only reality that exsits, but I am still open.
Montauk... disinformation campaign to hide real cloaking technology. They were bending light not time. If they did fold space, well that would take a lot more power than that ship could produce at the time.
A paradox is in itself is a good reason the universe is constructed a certain way not to create events like that. I do believe you can go back and look at events in the consciousness, but I am agaisnt you being able to unfluence past events.
The consciousness is everything and it's all focused in this very moment.

It is called 'The Alien and the scapel'. One of his abductees was sent to him via me, the truck driver.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jun 13th, 2004, 12:12am

MajorX, what does it mean when 2 US planes fly at right angles towards each other?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 13th, 2004, 12:23pm

They are going to wreck? I didn't know planes could make right angles?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jun 13th, 2004, 12:29pm

No angry They are at diff altitudes and they cross each other at right angles. Is that part of some protocol?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by diamond on Jun 13th, 2004, 1:39pm

i've also had trouble the last couple of days getting into the site . i thought i was being blocked for some reason. nice to know i wasn't alone.
mini, i believe that some air forces use a " gridding" type of pattern when they are on search and rescue type missions to more efficiently cover large areas of terrain or ocean . interlocking patterns at different altitudes would make sense where one aircraft may pick up on what another misses. i don't know for sure whether your lot would do the same , is that what your looking at?

diamond
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jun 13th, 2004, 3:02pm

on Jun 13th, 2004, 1:39pm, diamond wrote:
i've also had trouble the last couple of days getting into the site . i thought i was being blocked for some reason. nice to know i wasn't alone.


I know that ufo casebook is part of the conforums which I imagine has tons of traffic but lately I just couldn't get in at all. At the moment things are working fine. UFO Casebook is my only form of entertainment, LOL.

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mini, i believe that some air forces use a " gridding" type of pattern when they are on search and rescue type missions to more efficiently cover large areas of terrain or ocean . interlocking patterns at different altitudes would make sense where one aircraft may pick up on what another misses. i don't know for sure whether your lot would do the same , is that what your looking at?

diamond


Lately I've just seen these pairs of planes (not military and smaller then commercial airliners) intersect each other at right angles and one plane is way higher up then the other. See I live minutes from the Capitol Building and the White House (when traffic is good) so I guess it's some kinda surveillance/national defense thing.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by diamond on Jun 14th, 2004, 10:08am

yeh, whatever it was seems to have cleared itself ,frustrating when that happens . it had to be the site though 'cos i had no problems elsewhere on the net. strange.
as for the other thing ,i guess they wouldn't be taking any chances of a repeat of 9/11 . the planes you describe are probably some sort of electronic surveilance unmarked suggests your cia or similar.though that doesn't matter, as long as it's being done i guess. we have a more low key approach over here although there is little doubt that security has tightened and the general public are far more aware and watchful ,espescially after the bali bombings. the price of free and democratic society eh! wink
as both our countries go to the polls this year it will be interesting to see the reaction from the bad guys. nil i hope ,but that old gut feeling has me thinking otherwise.
god bless and take care

diamond
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 14th, 2004, 2:21pm

Major x, I have had many UFOs experiences. In every case it was a noninvasive encounter. Perhaps I have been abducted. I do not have any recall of this. However, many years ago I developed an irrational fear of a steel needle being inserted into my bellybutton. It wasn't until several years later when I read about Benny Hill abduction did I come across the reference to a steel needle being inserted into her bellybutton. Let me recall my most dramatic UFOs encounters.

This incident occurred on a day in July approximately 3:40 PM and I was hurrying to work to the Grand Central station post office where I worked as a clerk. I was in a hurry because I was warned that if I was late one more time I would get written up by my supervisor.

I was south of Lexington Avenue and East 42nd Street in Manhattan and walking very briskly while trying to dodge the heavy pedestrian traffic.
As I was looking straight ahead, I suddenly felt my skull in the back of my head had been removed in an area of about 5 inches in diameter. It felt to me as if I was having a lobotomy operation and I could feel the coolness inside my head and a loss of bone density in this area. This area of my head had become numb. This feeling of numbness was very similar to the feeling that one experiences when a foot or an arm “falls asleep” due to the pinching off of a nerve.

Then I saw with amazing clarity, as if I had an eye in this “missing” area of my head, a disk shaped spacecraft which I “knew” to be about 250 miles above the Earth. This craft was gently rocking back and forth as if in a gentle magnetic breeze. I was able to “see” into the interior of the spacecraft whose dimensions I sensed to be about 18 feet in diameter by about nine feet high.
I saw three “men” inside this craft. They all appeared to be about 5 ft. 6 inches tall. They all had white skin, black hair, gray eyes, and they all looked identical in appearance. They were each dressed in a gray colored mechanics type overall, which had no buttons or zippers or any apparent method of opening or closing this garment.
One “man” had his back to me and was seated on a raised plastic type molded chair. He was facing a crescent shaped keyboard of many different colored lights. This keyboard somehow reminded me of the music organ at Radio City Music Hall. I “knew” that this keyboard was the operating panel for the spaceship.
Another “man” was walking from the left side of the vessel toward the center. The third “man” was bent over a central support column which ran from the ceiling to the floor and made me think of the center axis of a gyroscope. He was peering into a black binocular type sighting device, which somehow reminded me of a Norden bomb-sight. I realized that he was watching me through this instrument.

Then I saw what looked like a steel cable coming from the bottom of the spacecraft and connecting to the back of my head, and although I knew it was not a physical cable, I sensed that it was to show me that a communication connection had been made from the spaceship to my brain. The cable followed my every movement as I dodged the human traffic on the street, and I felt that I was connected mentally to that spaceship.
During that day at work I tried to believe that this experience had really happened to me, but it was so unbelievable to me that my mind was inclined to dismiss it as an hallucination.
When I returned home that night after work, within a block of my house I saw a brilliant flash of silver light streak from one end of the sky to the other like the blurred movement of a silver colored metallic object. This silver light traveled across the sky at a speed almost too fast for the eye to follow. At this point I looked at my watch and I saw that the time was exactly 3:40 AM, exactly 12 hours after the UFO sighting experience. I took this to be a confirmation from the spacecraft that my experience had been real.




What do you think? Irwyn cool

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 14th, 2004, 2:52pm

No. 2 encounter;

Values

Last week I was in an introspective mood. I was reviewing my life and I was asking myself, What important deeds have I accomplished in my lifetime? What good works have I performed? How have I benefited humanity? I have not painted any masterpieces. I have not written any great symphonies. I have not made any great discoveries or inventions in science or medicine. What are my accomplishments in my lifetime?
As I was feeling sorry for myself and judgmental about myself I realized this awareness. In the cosmic reality which is the "big picture" our deeds are not as important as our thoughts. Our deeds are confined to this system of life and only have a value on a limited basis, and only within a limited time frame. But our thoughts and our communication can uplift and raise the level of understanding and consciousness of a person or of a group of people.

This was made aware to me in a lecture that I did in Montreal about 30 years ago to a spiritualist church. I was lecturing on the subject of Angel worlds and UFOs. As my lecture was proceeding I felt the power and I realized that the level of my lecture was being raised to a very high level. As I continued to lecture I asked myself, why is my lecture raised at such a high level when the audience is French Canadian and have limited English comprehension? At this time my attention was drawn to two "men" who sat in the center of the audience. I looked at their eyes and I knew that they were not from this world. Their eyes had a calmness and peace and well-being such as I have never seen in any human's eyes.

I finished my lecture and I sat down. The only two "persons" who came to me as I sat were these two "men". One "man" shook my hand and said,"that was a very fine lecture Mr. Greif." The other "man" said to me,"you are the first real human being that I have met." At this point I realized that these two "men" who were from a higher world had raised the level of my lecture so that they could raise the consciousness levels of people in the audience.

I was very honored by the response of these two "men" and to me it was like receiving a cosmic Academy Award.

What do you think? Irwyn cool



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 17th, 2004, 12:45am

I wan't going to post this in the open but what the hell I have nothing to be afraid of.

Is this the first time you have ever written your experience down or told anybody about it? Have
you shared this information with others? I would be very careful what you say, there are people who watch for this type of information. Your experience sounds real as it gets. The ship you describe is exactly the height and length I have seen, and I have seen a lot of those types. From a footage research point of view you are describing a very commonly seen craft. I will say from my experience you are very accurate about what you see aboard the craft when you are discussing
the optics that the cousins have. All craft from the cousins have color controls from what I remember. They sound like friends to me. You have to understand our cousins are genetically perfect that might explain something also. You might have even met an incarnates that is manifesting himself just to speak to you. They are the most intense encounter you can have. Nothing better than a one on one.


Yes, the first time I was contacted it took me 3 days to gather myself. I was in another reality that was so intense I didn' realize I was there until they were gone. Now I know what true silence is like. For 28 days I dealt with them and it will forever be a very intense period in my life. They will talk to you if you can hear them, but they are not always around even though they are close when considering the consciousness. I know that the general public will have a hard time talking to them its a very intense experience. You say Angels, it was funny the ambassador I met his name is Zakael. I met several different beings that seemed to be from different types of humans after talking to this being for a long time. There were even female cousins around!


Consent of Will...
I would have to say in the abduction aspect with the needle, you know how I feel about grays. It is also possible that you consented while conscious but didn't want to remember participating in some experiment and chose to forget the memories. I also believe the intuition can guide you in seconds to the inner truth. There are a lot of possibilities.


Do you have any soul memory from before this lifetime?

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 17th, 2004, 10:28am

Post1-Major X. I've had many experiences with UFOs and Angels. Some of them are included in my book, "The Soul Is A Traveler In Time". I shall try to post some of my other World recollections.


I had a dream or vision in which I saw a laboratory type room and I saw against the wall a device that looked like a console TV that gave off a purple color light in its screen. I knew that if I looked at this purple color light my mind and my identity would be sucked into that device.

I did not feel that this was only a dream. I believe that this was a device that actually existed in a past life when I was in an outer space world and at war with another outer space world.
I recall another incident which happened in real-life. In the 1970s I was involved in a meeting with scientists and psychics with the Bioenergetics Institute and the Silva Mind Control Institute in New York City. The purpose of this project was to research and document psychic and electromagnetic waves that emanated from psychics when they were in the "power". As I was present in this room we were awaiting the arrival of a very famous psychic, scientist named Ingo Swann who was asked to be part of this group. I had never met this famous psychic and I was looking forward to his arrival. Then he made his appearance and as soon as I saw him I was overcome with a strong desire to destroy him as if he was an enemy spaceship and as if I was directing all of my laser weapons at him. I sensed at that time that he was from Sirius and that I was from Orion and that we were deadly enemies, like the mongoose and the cobra. At this point a woman psychic sitting next to me said to me," stop doing what you're doing, your face is turning purple".

During meditation one day I had this vision. I saw a world apparently unaffected by time, a dimension rather than a physical state of being. There was a vastness, and in this vastness I saw seven bright lights. I received the information psychically that these lights were the Council of the seven Lights of this solar system. Each light represented the authority ot one plane of existence.
There was a council meeting in progress, and I was a member of this council. The intention of the meeting was to decide what to do with the planet Earth as a school for souls. The discussion stressed the fact that this planet had developed unsatisfactory modes of life and was facing the road to self-destruction.
Each of the council members was asked to recommend a solution to the problem. I was of the opinion that the Earth should be abandoned as a school of souls and all of its inhabitants be terminated, leaving their souls free to incarnate on a different planet.
Then another of the Seven Lights proposed that the souls of Earth be assisted out of the darkness into the light by the angel host. He was then given the authority to take charge of this planet and to be responsible for the salvation of its souls. It was decided by this council that I lacked the empathy and understanding to realize that the older souls must guide the younger souls, and for this I was directed to incarnate on the Earth in a flesh form to live as a human being for a series of lifetimes to “condition” me so that I could help raise Earth to a higher state of awareness at a future time.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 17th, 2004, 10:29am

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In 1954, while in a state of meditation, I received the following past life recall. I “saw” myself transported to another world, a world of silence where there existed no Sun and no Moon. It was a wasteland of desert like terrain, with scattered rock and stone formations. This strange world was illuminated by wide bands of color that revolved slowly across its sky like a gigantic kaleidoscope of colors, with one color at a time taking predominance overhead and illuminating that world with that particular color.
I then noticed a group of naked humanoid creatures eight to ten feet tall, moving together in groups as though they were part of a colony. They had no hair on their bodies, and their skin was pink in color like that of a newborn baby. 1 “received” the information that if cut or damaged, their skin would immediately repair itself. I also “realized” that they had no bones and no rigid vertebrae, but they had some sort of a cartilage that gave enough rigidity to support their bodies.
The creatures walked upright on two legs and apparently could not bend their legs as there was no flexibility in the area of their knees. Each creature had a short stump like arm protruding from either side of its chest and four finger- like extremities at the end of each arm connected to each other by a membrane resembling a duck’s webbed foot. They had two eyes and two orifices in the region of the human nose but no actual bridge of a nose. They had no ears and no lips or opening for a mouth.
Then I saw one of the creatures somehow bend down and scoop up from the ground with his webbed hand what looked like green algae. He raised the algae toward his face, and as it touched the area where the mouth should be, the skin became translucent and the algae was absorbed into his face and body as if by the process of osmosis.
The other creatures looked toward him almost at the instant of his algae discovery, and they all proceeded in his direction without the transmission of any audible sound or signal. I therefore assumed that there existed some sort of mental communication between the creatures in this colony.
I then noticed two of the beings, all of whom were exactly alike in appearance, isolate themselves from the main group. They then joined together face-to-face until their navels touched, and I sensed that they then performed an act of reproduction. When their two navels touched, there was a discharge of grayish fluid from each navel. This fluid then turned into a lump of warm material like heavy, hot glue, and it then fell to the ground. Then the two creatures separated and returned to the main group again.
I “knew” that this lump of matter in a few hours would be the same size and appearance as its parents without
undergoing any developmental stage of infancy or childhood.
This experience revealed to me that each planet has its own particular type of development peculiar to its life forms and indicated that this race was able to regenerate injured or missing limbs.
Space was once considered as an empty and lifeless void, containing only planets and suns and visible space matter. Now science has come to realize that space is a beehive of activity, with invisible suns (quasars) existing that contain more energy than visible suns and that emit X rays and radio waves on a continuous transmission pattern.
Scientific research has also discovered living forms that live in space and that have been described in certain journals as space animals. These space animals, which are anomalies invisible to our senses, require special methods of detection. They exist oblivious to our manmade laws and theories of space behavior. These space animals reveal that instead of space being an empty and sterile void, it is really teeming with life. Life not as we know it in the physical sense but life in other forms and states of being.
Let us assume that these space anomalies seen through telescopes and on radar were originally pure energy forms and that these energy forms have somehow altered their true identity to physically register on our instruments. This idea would be comparable to the unseen and unrealized worlds in the empty air surrounding us that under great magnification are revealed to be teeming with life forms. This concept of space being alive could further expand our knowledge of the universe.
If, as proven in the Einstein equation, that matter can be transformed into energy and given that the reverse is true that energy can also be converted into matter, then these space anomalies, which are assumed here to be energy forms

It seems as if we each have a collective consciousness that follows us as we reincarnate. What do you think? Irwyn

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 17th, 2004, 11:46am

Post3-

Many years ago I had a flashback of a previous life. The time was 150,000 years ago and I was one of the scientists who came to this Planet from Orion. We were 40 outer space scientists in our expedition and we functioned in artificially created "human" like bodies that were powered by an energy disk that we wore around our necks. While I was concentrating on my specialty of genetic manipulation and engineering others of the group were conducting experiments with the magnetic fields of the Earth. A meeting was held with the leader of our group who was called Regulus and he told those scientists to stop their experiments because the machines that they used were creating higher frequencies than the magnetic fields of the Earth could endure and this would result in the Earth being thrown out of its orbit and the Planet becoming radioactive due to the radiation used in these machines.
The warning was ignored and this group decided to rebel against Regulus and his supporters and they became a rogue element. I was loyal to Regulus but I was unable to stop the destruction of the Earth by the rogue group and I was left to die of radiation when the rogue group contacted Orion and lied that Regulus and some of his group were responsible for the destruction of Earth. The rogue group was rescued by U.F.O.s but I could not signal them. I witnessed nature going crazy and I saw the Earth wobble like a "drunken sailor". The U.F.O.s evacuated the Planet’s lifeforms until they could re-establish the Earth orbit. When the Earth was wobbling 7 to 10 degrees off its axis the UFO's in order to stabilize this Planet "pulled" a gigantic landmass from the Earth and created the Moon. Therefore, the Moon itself is the same age and composition as this Planet but it was created as a separate entity 150,000 years ago.

It is interesting that I believe that I met one of these rogue scientists in this life and I had an instant anger toward him and a desire to destroy him. He is a famous psychic scientist in this life and his name is Ingo Swann and I met him when he was invited to join our group of scientists and psychics doing research for bioenergetics institute of New York.
The truth is stranger than fiction. Irwyn

P.S. in 1988 I had 36 radiation treatments for prostate cancer and this lasted about seven weeks and I never felt better or healthier than during this period of radiation treatments. I did not miss a single day of work whereas usually I would take sick leave frequently. Somehow, my genetic memory converted the fatal radiation of the past life to a healthy radiation effect in this life. Strange?


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 17th, 2004, 12:09pm

Post5-

Are UFOs Angels?

I have had several contacts and communications with Angels and UFOs. My dilemma is that sometimes I do not know if the UFO contacts are really Angels. Here are excerpts from my book, "The Soul Is A Traveler In Time".

"When I was in my 20s, I had friends who were interested in UFOs. I was interested both in psychic development and UFOs, and they wanted me to go with them to George Hunt Williamson in Arizona because he was contacting UFOs.

I had this quandary, and in the midst of this crisis of trying to choose whether to go with them or stay and develop psychically, I had the following experience. I went to bed one night, but before I went to sleep, I had the conviction that I was going to meet a flying saucer that night and make a contact. I went to sleep, and I had a dream. In this dream I saw myself at a train station that was elevated above street level, and I was standing and watching the trains come in. I was waiting to meet a flying saucer person, and I was visualizing in my mind that he had to look unusual. He probably would have an antenna coming out of his head or be green and 12 feet tall. I was looking for somebody abnormal looking.

As I was looking for somebody abnormal I didn't notice a man walking toward me. I overlooked him because I was looking for somebody weird, and here was this normal man walking toward me. When he was about two feet in front of me, I noticed him and he said to me, "Mr. Greif I believe you're waiting for me". I looked at him and I saw that he was about 5 foot 6 inches tall, had a British type mustache, a ruddy complexion, twinkling blue eyes, brown hair, and was wearing a salt-and-pepper business suit. He looked like a typical Madison Avenue businessman. When he said I believe you're waiting for me I knew that this was my "contact".

We walked down the stairs to the street level, and when our feet touched the sidewalk, the whole scene changed. Instead of a modern street, it became a biblical desert. Time was turned back to the time of the Old Testament, and I saw that this desert was a plain that stretched out in front of me. At the end of this plain was a silver river. We walked together side-by-side alongside this river.

As soon as this scene had changed, this figure who had been about 5 foot 6 and about my height when I met him, started to grow until he became 6 feet tall and his clothes became the biblical robes of a prophet of the Old Testament. When I was walking next to him, I felt in the presence of a being who was godlike. I was awed by the magnificent vibrations of this great being. I felt so humble and so respectful.

The being talked to me into my right ear, and I remember turning my head because he was taller than me and I wanted to hear what he was saying. He talked into my ear and I cannot remember the words, but I remember that his voice was like pure liquid silver and his words went through my ear and into my Soul. I was told at that time that I was given teachings that were intended for the future, that someday I would remember these words when itwas right for me to remember, and that these words were impressed deep into my soul.

What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 17th, 2004, 8:42pm

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Are UFO's angels?

No, they are craft real as a car, but i have known what you would call angels to be aboard. Technology is a natural part of evolution. The children use the 'tin cans' and the elders don't need them. They serve their purpose in the universe. The beings can be considered angelic yes, but I don't like the relgious implication. These beings haven no religion, they are what they are.

I haven't been sick in 15 years. I understand sickness and it is really easy to handle, even cancer, but cancer will kill me unless I can conquer old age.

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"The Soul Is A Traveler In Time".

I will have to read you book...

Strange?
Nothing is strange to me except the level of ignorance that seems to hang around.

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There was a council meeting in progress, and I was a member of this council.

Ah, yes you are an elder, now i understand who you are and you will not understand me at all because of my origin. You work for healers of the universe. They stuck you down here LMAO!!! The council is real and 7 is the elder elder council. The 24 are the main body. You must have lost a bet, hehe. The entire universe is focused on this planet. I cannot say why, but one day this world will know.

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I sensed at that time that he was from Sirius and that I was from Orion and that we were deadly enemies.

They are not your enemies, they are just children on a different level of development and you anger is your karma from past events. Yes, you are mad but both of you were decieved by another force into fighting each other. Many of the human tribes have be decieved. You must release you anger. Yes, the Sirians are a bit rigid and somewhat of an isolationist crew that can give attitude fast, but overall they are also our cousins and they are being hurt by the same force that assults us. From what the 'cousins' told me one of the worst celestial wars in this galaxy was fought in Orion and that region is still in turmoil til this day.

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It seems as if we each have a collective consciousness that follows us as we reincarnate. What do you think?

That is called the soul, the soul is experience that builds from lifetime to lifetime. It has a beginning and no end. It is the spirit personality, true personality. It doesn't follow you, it is you. You are the total sum of everything you experienced. The soul is the single most powerful reflective force in the universe. I don't even know if there are words that can explain the depth of what I am trying to get across. I only have feeling to explain and it doesn't fit into text.

The 7 spheres of Cosmic mind… secret of the rainbow, I could go one for hours and hours.
my view...
Independent Mind / Soul-Freewill
Planetary Mind / Reincarnate
Solar Mind / Ascendant
Galactic Mind / Masters
Universal Mind / Elder
Pre-cosmic Mind / Ancients
Infinite Mind / God

Urantia Book...
Static
Potential
Associative
Creative
Evolutionary
Supreme
Ultimate

A great book but read between the lines. Use to be hard to find many years ago but since I made a stink it has been sold to meta-stores and even found in some mainstream bookstores. Only an advanced soul can read it and comprehend it. You must read between the lines and have really good comprehension. I only like the beginning, but throughout is a great explanation of various things that you will connect with. That is if you haven't already read the book. Seems like you might know it already.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 17th, 2004, 8:45pm

There is so much to respond to... lets take it in smaller doses please. I can get more out on one topic that 10.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 18th, 2004, 6:27pm

Major X; you are so correct in so many things. Here is an excerpt from my book.

You remind me of a vision that I had a long time ago. In this vision I saw myself as an adult body and there was a white cloth tied tightly around my forehead, which I believe was to hold my mind inside my head. There were two Angels, one on each side of me and I knew that they were putting me in the, "birth canal" to be born. I did not wish to be born into this Earth system because it was a physical World and I was used to existing in a mental World. But in spite of my objections, I was forced to be born. So, I was born into this Earth system under protest.
But I have realized that I was not born to punish me but rather to teach me and for me to be of use in the transition of this Planet from an animal World to a more Angelic World.
What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 18th, 2004, 7:59pm

I really do not like incarnating at this level or reality. It’s brutal. The conditions here are not good and I am not being pessimistic about it. I do find my short times of enjoyment here and there for example I was in Japan for two weeks it was a blast. It’s a very volatile time for the planetary consciousness. Awareness is a higher vibration into infinity and can aid this world in this time. The reason I come to this conclusion is because there are so many Elders around. Coming here is like earning your field combat badge. This planet has been in a constant state of war, it’s like riding a roller coaster in every lifetime.

I feel like things are coming to a conclusion on the supreme level that will effect things here on the planetary. These changes will affect many other worlds in the cosmic consciousness. Things are happening to the universe on such a larger scale it’s unimaginable. We are just one world in many. Trying to tap into the source from here is nearly impossible. The planetary circuit is cut, remember there are forces here holding us back. We know that we can do so much more, but we also knew we would be disconnected from it when we incarnated down here.

This vessel that I’m currently occupying is genetically flawed and basically imperfect in so many ways. The genetics on earth are all out of messed up and need repairs. That reminds me you were talking about something on the spacecraft. It was a ‘biogenic computer’ or ‘living brain’. Some of those spacecraft are almost alive artificial consciousness or is it? I saw some post about movies... Bladerunner is a classic movie, based on book called, “Do androids dream of electric sheep?” If a machine can dream what does that mean... something to ponder.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 19th, 2004, 10:24am

Steven Spielberg should take a lesson from the "grays". There are a very advanced manufacture of artificial intelligence. They have been designed to think and to perform delicate surgical procedures and to improvise and to even absorb and duplicate the emotions of people that they come in contact with.

Talk about advanced technology!!!!!

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jun 20th, 2004, 08:08am

on Jun 17th, 2004, 12:45am, MajorX wrote:
There were even female cousins around!


I forgot to ask u about this ... So they too have a sexuality? The way u say it sounds like the male cousins still dominate. I would've figured that sexuality would be irrelevent.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jun 20th, 2004, 1:49pm

Another question Major X. Does U.S. intelligence have the ability to extract info from someone via hypnosis and psychics and then make that person completely forget that he disclosed personal/private info? If so then is there anyway that person can regain his lost memory?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 21st, 2004, 3:45pm

The male female things. I never really asked about that so I don’t know what the deal it as far as male female interactions. I would think they are equal but different, men tend to fight and woman tend to be healers in a very esoteric viewpoint.

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Another question Major X. Does U.S. intelligence have the ability to extract info from someone via hypnosis and psychics and then make that person completely forget that he disclosed personal/private info? If so then is there anyway that person can regain his lost memory?


I know they have methods of doing this but I have limited knowledge on it. I would be guessing from here but I would say they have learned enough about the brain and its function to make some sort of device that could do this using electromagnetic frequency. We already know that the brain can be affected by this. It seems very plausible that they have a device but at what level it has been developed would be nice to know.

Hypnotherapy cannot be used effectively to brainwash someone. The reason for that is simple, if you wouldn’t agree to it a waking state, you wouldn’t do it in a hypnotic state. There is an exception to this rule but I am not going to discuss it. What I discovered I have never seen anywhere else and I don’t want to give this information out just in case it does reach he wrong ears. It would take a highly skilled hypnotherapist to actually do any sort of brainwashing or even understand how to do it.

There is no place to hide a memory that can't be found. It may be layered or hidden deeply but any memory can be found easily if you know what you are looking for. On top of that you will have the memory being forced to the surface by your spirit. This is why some abductees remember there experiences, you can't destroy the memory but you can cripple it. There is so much more to this...

The spirit does not forget anything and is never unconscious.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 22nd, 2004, 11:02am

To answer a question;
The Beings that I observed on this UFO appeared to be identical, as if they were made from a mold or an assembly line. They appeared to be male but there was no sexual manifestation, and I believe that they were androgyne Beings. The Angels who have appeared to me have not come to me as male or female figures but rather as energy Beings or androgyne figures.

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 22nd, 2004, 5:51pm

You might find this interesting...
The Mother of all Conspiracies is the fact that the mother spirit has been completely stripped from this world. The female spirit has been raped and kept inhibited on this planet for a long time. If you ask why I am not supporting any religion it’s because of this. All the great masters that are visible in history are men and any female are obscure figures. I am sorry to say this imbalance doesn’t work and has created serious problems on earth

Lets look at this from a bigger viewpoint. This universe was created in duality, meaning positive and negative polarities, which are very natural when you look at it from a scientific standpoint. The human body is has (+) positive and (-) poles. The spirit realm has only one polarity, (+) positive. In order for the spirit to manifest, reincarnate, or incarnate the spirit must split polarity. This is the mother and father spirit in universal action. I even have a theory that the source of gravity is generated by spirit essence. Anything coming from the source that transcends into the universe must undergo a dramatic change. This brings the whole concept of ‘twin flame’ into perspective. When spirit comes into the physical it splits in two. Only on the highest level are you one and whole.

The ancient teachings talk about the tree of life. It is said that your roots grow into the mother and your limbs reach out for the father, thus Mother Universe and Father Spirit. I feel the trinity is the Mother, Father, and Source. You are the tree of life and the charkas represent the seven centers of your body and the endocrine system. This is also referred to as the secret of the rainbow. The seven colors being broken down from white light. In essence your physical existence is being projected through the prism of the universe. You come from white light and you return to white light.

The Mother is the physical, the womb of the stars and planets and she gives you her bone for a body. You can find a lot of these in Essene teachings. The Father is the fabric of the universe and provides you with the essence of spirit. This is duality, and they are equal. On this world the mother spirit is repressed and raped. The earth is a temple just like your body.

Sandalphon and Metatron are both angels and they are mates according to lore, Sandalphon is female and Metatron is male. This changes the whole perspective of what angels are if this is true. I do believe that certain beings have the power to manifest and be whole and pure, but this isn’t a common event.

My opinion about the (3) beings…
I am guessing so hang in there, but if they were biobots or constructs of some sort then that would make sense to me. They could be some form of hybrid or even something they don’t appear to be at all. When dealing with UFO’s and our cousins they tend to stay in packs of (3) and (9). When you tell me you saw 3 of them I am intrigued, but don’t know what to make of it, I will meditate on it some when I get time. That number alone is the most common for UFO’s in a pack.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 22nd, 2004, 5:52pm

My first encounter was with (3) spacecraft. They love to form triangles and geometric patterns to let you know that you are in contact with them. They actually like to shock you a bit it must be fun for them. If the beings aboard these craft are evolved children then I would assume that they are having fun visiting us. I don’t really know what to think of the 3 beings, I would ask that you meditate on it more and see if you come up with something that makes sense. I suggest using the feeling of the beings and not the visual. The spiritual intuition is never wrong and it can reveal anything related to spirit.

I remember one encounter I would like to share, which stunned me in a weird way… A friend of mine looked out the window and said, “Look! mylar balloons!” That alone made me laugh and immediately start looking at the so-called balloons. They looked like balloons, moved like balloons, but after about two second of common sense you realize that they are moving faster than the wind in the opposite direction and were perfectly round, but they still looked like balloons. Well, they weren’t and they showed me by forming a locked triangle that rotated, when they stopped I could see another triangle higher up through the first one rotating to a stop in the first triangle. Now two sets of triangles were in the sky. Then a third triangle formed in the second triangle even higher up and locked into position. What I was looking at was a triangle, within a triangle, within a triangle. I felt like I was under a magnifying glass, and this let me know just how personal they were getting with the contact, no telepathy was ever engaged, but a very powerful action unfolded that let me know they were there.

You mentioned light beings. I will say that there are so many different beings that exist it is infinite and ever unfolding. Light beings to me are un-manifested spirits. You class them, as angels, yes, but there are many forms of angel in the cosmos. Angels seem to have a structured higher vibrational hierarchy and family. If I were to theorize we are also part of that family as a spirit. We have an origin that is connected to all light beings.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Guanda on Jun 22nd, 2004, 9:52pm

MajorX, Is it possible for a person to do self-hypnotherapy in order to retrieve memories? I can only remember bits of what I believe are abduction/visitation events. How can I remember more, or is the dream journal you spoke about the way to achieve this?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 23rd, 2004, 12:42am

YES...
The journal is a training tool for more than just that but yes it can help. Meditation and learning to communicate with your spirit and is the best things I can suggest. There is no clear instruction I can give you expect you need to escape you ego and its false imagery in order to communicate with your spirit. Stop thinking is the first and best approach. Even a guided meditation from someone else can aid in this. An alternate is powernapping and focusing on one thing or one question and that may release it also.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jun 23rd, 2004, 7:15pm

on Jun 22nd, 2004, 5:51pm, MajorX wrote:
You might find this interesting...
The Mother of all Conspiracies is the fact that the mother spirit has been completely stripped from this world. The female spirit has been raped and kept inhibited on this planet for a long time. If you ask why I am not supporting any religion it’s because of this. All the great masters that are visible in history are men and any female are obscure figures. I am sorry to say this imbalance doesn’t work and has created serious problems on earth


Are u sure you're a man? Men don't usually talk like that and gay men are the ultimate misogynists. More women then men are reqistered voters yet a women running for president would be shocking (unless you're in SE Asia). Truth is a lot of women don't want to take charge.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 23rd, 2004, 9:34pm

I'm a man but I'm suppose to defend the female spirit, so I do. Females taking charge is not what I'm talking about. I am talking about equality. Male and Female are equal in spirit and I recognize this. Warriors and healers when dealing with the occult definition. Father-Son, Mother-Daughter.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Guanda on Jun 28th, 2004, 11:11am

Very interesting MajorX, I have went back and reread this thread. I have to say that I think the world would be in better shape if women had more power. Women are nurturers and men like to blow stuff up. Usually. So, I guess it makes sense that the physical world is in bad shape because our spiritual world is also in shambles. In a way, very discouraging, but we have to keep slogging on, what else are ya gonna do?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 28th, 2004, 1:08pm

If women had their equality the world would be a garden. That is just one of my feelings and there would be a lot less war. I figure until we stop repressing woman we will not be able to make major leaps foward. We can't even get past racism...
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by minitrue on Jun 28th, 2004, 2:41pm

So tell me about your wife, MajorX ... smiley
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jun 28th, 2004, 5:18pm

Is it ok if I leave her out of this? We are seperated because of many reasons, but none of those have to do with disrespect. The biggest reason is my job. We will always be freinds at a distance. Our basic failure was communication and I will take an equal share of the responsiblity. I have a feeling I will not be talking to her in the near future.
How to I feel about it? It sucks... She is a very special lady and I hope she can fulfill her dreams. It's a tough world in my corner of it, things are not easy, and I don't blame her for wanting a more relaxing environment.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jul 3rd, 2004, 4:43pm

Thank you Major X for your contributions to this web site. ET's have come to me in different forms and shapes and other dimentional manifestations. Please peruse a few of my sightings as taken from my book.

I've had several contacts with beings who were either Angels or UFOs. I will recount some of these meetings. Is it possible that the same two Beings who contacted me in Montreal were the same two Beings who contacted biblical characters?

Are UFOs Angels?

I have had several contacts and communications with Angels and UFOs. My dilemma is that sometimes I do not know if the UFO contacts are really Angels. Here are some examples from my book, "The Soul Is A Traveler In Time".

"When I was in my 20s, I had friends who were interested in UFOs. I was interested both in psychic development and UFOs, and they wanted me to go with them to George Hunt Williamson in Arizona because he was contacting UFOs.

I had this quandary, and in the midst of this crisis of trying to choose whether to go with them or stay and develop psychically, I had the following experience. I went to bed one night, but before I went to sleep, I had the conviction that I was going to meet a flying saucer that night and make a contact. I went to sleep, and I had a dream. In this dream I saw myself at a train station that was elevated above street level, and I was standing and watching the trains come in. I was waiting to meet a flying saucer person, and I was visualizing in my mind that he had to look unusual. He probably would have an antenna coming out of his head or be green and 12 feet tall. I was looking for somebody abnormal looking.

As I was looking for somebody abnormal I didn't notice a man walking toward me. I overlooked him because I was looking for somebody weird, and here was this "normal man" walking toward me. When he was about two feet in front of me, I noticed him and he said to me, "Mr. Greif I believe you're waiting for me". I looked at him and I saw that he was about 5 foot 6 inches tall, had a British type mustache, a ruddy complexion, twinkling blue eyes, brown hair, and was wearing a salt-and-pepper business suit. He looked like a typical Madison Avenue businessman. When he said I believe you're waiting for me I knew that this was my "contact".

We walked down the stairs to the street level, and when our feet touched the sidewalk, the whole scene changed. Instead of a modern street, it became a biblical desert. Time was turned back to the time of the Old Testament, and I saw that this desert was a plain that stretched out in front of me. At the end of this plain was a silver river. We walked together side-by-side alongside this river.

As soon as this scene had changed, this figure who had been about 5 foot 6 and about my height when I met him, started to grow until he became 6 feet tall and his clothes became the biblical robes of a prophet of the Old Testament. When I was walking next to him, I felt in the presence of a Being who was godlike. I was awed by the magnificent vibrations of this great Being. I felt so humble and so respectful.

The Being talked to me into my right ear, and I remember cocking my head because he was taller than me and I wanted to hear what he was saying. He talked into my ear and I cannot remember the words, but I remember that his voice was like pure liquid silver and his words went through my ear and into my Soul. I was told at that time that I was given teachings that were intended for the future, that someday I would remember these words when it was right for me to remember, and that these words were impressed deep into my soul.

About 1973, I was giving a lecture in Montreal at a Spiritualist church, and my lecture subject was"UFOs and Angel worlds". The audience were mostly French-Canadians who understood very little English. I was speaking at a high level of inspiration, and as I lectured I thought to myself, why am I speaking on such a high level when most of the audience cannot understand English?

At this time I looked at some of the faces in the audience, and my attention was drawn to two men who were seated in the center row. When I looked at their eyes, I knew that they were not of this world. There was the calmness of Angels in their eyes, and I knew they were UFO beings. I realized that they were raising the frequency of my lecture in order to raise the audience to a higher level.

After the lecture while I was seated in the rear of the church these two men came over to me and they smiled at me. One of these men said,"that was a fine lecture, Mr. Greif,"and the other men said,"you are the first "real"human being that I have met."

What do you think? Irwyn cool


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jul 3rd, 2004, 4:50pm

To continue; I have also seen higher Dimensional Beings appear to me as colored balls of pure energy, usually with the color blue. I have also seen with my psychic "third eye" a microscopic spark of brilliant white light so brilliant that it turned a white paper black. I "knew" that this microscopic spark of white light was an Angel and I also realized at that time that this individual Angel could merge with 10,000 other Angel Sparks of white light and each one of them would maintain their own separate identity.
This is some pretty cool stuff!!!!

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jul 14th, 2004, 12:36am

We have all these different topics and I feel many of them should be consolidated...
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jul 14th, 2004, 10:25am

I agree with you, Major X that this forum should be reorganized because they're too many similar threads and there is an overload of topics. However, B.J. is the director and it is his decision. Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MajorX on Jul 15th, 2004, 07:25am

I responded to you indirectly in the Current Situation thread.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by gusblake on Jul 19th, 2004, 04:23am

Hi guys any info on good web sites of communicating aliens with contactees. Would like to do detailed research on the subject.

thanks

gus
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by JOSEPH on Aug 6th, 2004, 2:56pm

on Jun 22nd, 2004, 9:52pm, Guanda wrote:
MajorX, Is it possible for a person to do self-hypnotherapy in order to retrieve memories? I can only remember bits of what I believe are abduction/visitation events. How can I remember more, or is the dream journal you spoke about the way to achieve this?



Yes it is possible to retrieve alien abduction memories without the use of Regression Hypnosis. I know that this has worked, for me, in retreiving information onn my abductions.

Contact me on blackbeltjoe@btinternet.com if you are interested. I don't charge anything for my time and knowledge. Why? Because its my choice.

all the best. Joe


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by JOSEPH on Aug 6th, 2004, 7:28pm

THE DOLPHIN / GRAY CONNECTION:

http://pages.prodigy.net/skywatch/Abduction_Experience_Classification.ht m

In this LINK it states:-

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Earth dolphins use sonar to navigate and stun both prey and enemies. The stun affect is of particular interest to us. Dolphins can emit very powerful and focused ultra sonic burst from the front portion of there skulls. This is used to stun prey and to stun enemies such as sharks and barracuda. I viewed a film of a group of dolphins utilizing this ability on a very large barracuda. The barracuda was swimming towards a group of baby dolphins. Four large adult dolphins turned so that
there heads were directly inline with the barracuda and emitted a sustained ultrasonic burst. The effect on the barracuda was astounding. It literally froze, completely paralyzed in the water, even the gills had ceased to move. The dolphins stared at it for about thirty seconds, during which time the barracuda
remained totally immobilized.

As soon as they turned their heads away, the ultrasonic beam was no longer focused on the barracuda and it fled at a very high speed. Obviously this beam was tightly focused and required the dolphins head to be pointed directly at the target. The strength of the beam could be changed also. When hunting it could be directed at small fish and amplified to lethal levels, causing instant death. Some believe that this is also used when dolphins kill sharks, by
ramming them. Autopsy’s show the sharks internal organs have been literally shattered. The beam can also be controlled to produce a stun effect as in the case of the barracuda. The result
was physical paralysis and disorientation. I believe that this is the very same technique used by the Grays in abductions. The similarities are overwhelming.

Every abductee says that when they are abducted they are paralyzed and become mentally disorientated. This is usually in the presence of a gray. The most striking thing they recall is what is called the “Stare”. This is when the gray looks directly at an abductee. The large dark eyes capture the abductees attention immediately. They then report being unable to move and a feeling of great mental disorientation. On some rare occasions abductees report a lessening of these effects when the gray looked away from them.


This clearly indicates that the intensity of the effect was directly proportional to the direction or focus of the front portion of the gray’s head. I believe that gray’s possess the same sonar abilities as all dolphins and it is used to stun an abductee during the abduction. The ‘Stare” as abductees call it, is merely the positioning of the grays frontal skull area, the projection area, to achieve maximum beam concentration on the abductee. When the gray looks away the beam would naturally become less focused and the effect would diminish, just as it does. The description of the grays head is large, triangular and rounded in front and back. This suggest a large and rounded rear and frontal brain lobe structure. This is identical to the physical structure of cetaceans. It is the main difference between cetacean and human brains. This large rounding is thought to be an adaptation of the cetacean brain to handle the enormous data flow of they’re echo-location and sound based communications faculties. It should also be noted that on the rare occasions that abductees hear verbal sounds from grays it is described as high-pitched, sometimes chattering or staccato clicks or beeps. These are all similar to the air vocalizations of dolphins. The Grays are reportedly engaged in human/gray hybrid experiments. This is to combine the genetic material of both species into a hybrid species. Is this possible? The Japanese and several other countries are working even now on interspecies hybridizations. If I am correct that the Grays are of dolphin decent, then the possibility of successful hybridization becomes much greater. Some believe that on Earth, man shared a common genetic ancestor with the dolphin. Up to a certain point in development human and dolphin fetuses are nearly identical. In the not too distant future it will be possible to produce a hybrid human/dolphin species. It is my contention that the Grays have already beaten us to it.

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THE ABOVE VIEWS ARE NOT NECESSARILY MY OWN
BUT I THINK THEY ARE USEFUL FOR DISCUSSION
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Aug 6th, 2004, 8:37pm

Hello Joe. I see the similiarity. But one thing bothers me. That is the fact that water transmits sound waves so much more efficiently than air. This is why bats have such huge ears! And they can't stun their prey with sound waves. No creatures do except the dolphin that I know of. I think they have evolved to do it because it can be done underwater. They are a mammal as you know and were once four legged. That we assume from their physiology but other than that, I can't see any genetic relationship to man. As far as the grays, they are the same color I guess but.....well I think it's a stretch. Yes the symptoms of sonic blasting are the same as what abductees report but that could be a lot of things. You seem to have had more experience than I with our little cousins so convince me.

HJ

PS: Gus I don't really understand your question. Did you mean "of aliens communicating with abductees"?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by bluesman on Aug 7th, 2004, 01:32am

we are using this kind of sonic stun or what ever it is called right now as far as hostage situations goes..

it overloads the sensory percepters of the brain..

bluzzzzzzzzzz
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by JOSEPH on Aug 7th, 2004, 04:54am

Thanks hjdelight and Bluesman for your comments. Actually, I don't take any particular stand, either way, on the dolphin / gray connection. We know that the dolphins are very intelligent and of course they live in the sea. Naval people and merchant seaman have reported seeing USO's in our oceans and UFO's entering and leaving the waters. It is logical to ask what might be happening between the ETs and the dolphins in that watery environment? I do wonder about this when I go off scuba diving.

All the best Joe
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Aug 7th, 2004, 2:09pm

But Blues, that's technological is it not? It's a device that does the deed not an organism. It's interesting though that we are just now developing something that dolphins developed organically eons ago. As was the case with sonar when we developed that.

Joe, I can understand your wonderment. They are fascinating creatures. Dolphins and whales represent the most developed life in the sea as we do on land. Just based on that, ET would have an interest in them.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by gusblake on Aug 14th, 2004, 11:25am

Hi hjdelight

Found the Web site
http://www.uforia-research.com/contemplinks.htm

What I was asking for was a web site like this. So here is the tough part who is mad and who is completely sane.

If you can work it out ( I can't ) who is sane and are making REAL face to face contact, then that would be something this forum would never stop talking about.Lol

Any one up for the challenge.

Gus
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Aug 14th, 2004, 3:42pm

Hi Gus!
Indeed it would. But unfortunately, in this instance, the human mind being such an incredible thing...we can't just take anyone's word on it. Without proof....a person's claims are worth what you pay for them....and sometimes much less. There are lots of people making money from their claims. Some make no money but do seem to get a certain satisfaction from it. Give me proof of your contact with an ET and I'm with ya' Bro.... otherwise, yours is just another imaginative and clever rendition of an old subject and I'll file it as such.

HJ.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by gusblake on Aug 14th, 2004, 10:43pm

Yeah I hear ya man.

Proof is the key. If any of these organizations can provide a date time and place where a major UFO will be seen by the world media before it happens. Like the Phoenix lights Then I might think the organization is legitimate.

No harm in asking these guys. If aliens are constantly testing us scientifically, Intellectually morally and supposedly spiritually then we can ask for the same right! Well we will see.

Any one else want to give this a try?

Gus
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by bafamed on Sep 8th, 2004, 12:19am

Congratulations to Ufocasebook. !!

Im in the other side of the ocean, in Portugal (near Spain), European country.

I understand well english, but i don't write very well.
Ufocasebook is the mots complete and well made site i ever seen.
So i enter to this forum.

i also have a ufo site, in geocities (geocities.yahoo.com.br/mistherius) in portuguese language, but geocities are sometimes offline because it past the 100mb limit bandwich, so im making a new site with a paid domain (www.realidadeoculta.com) i also participate in the brazilian site (www.ufogenesis.com.br) and with the apovni site, the only ufo association portuguese.
I also put some ufo pics, in the forum of (www.chemtrailcentral.com) ,

If possible, could i translate some ufo news from english to portuguese? people have to know all the informations, in all languages of the world, the true must be told.

regards
silvio guerrinha
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by rob on Nov 22nd, 2004, 09:07am

FATE OF MOD'S UFO PAPERS IN QUESTION, U-K.:
While french UFO files from the defense are still kept away from the public's eye, with no guarantee whatsoever that they are kept or destroyed, and the only certainty that the general public still has no access to it, UK ufologist Dave Clarke has concerns over the fate of UK's defense UFO files.

Dave Clarke writes: "In July the MOD admitted that thousands of sensitive Cold War documents had been quarantined in plastic sacks because of fears they might have become exposed to deadly asbestos whilst stored in the basement of the War Office building at Whitehall. The files included important documents relating to British nuclear policy and defence intelligence briefings during the Cold War. But we can reveal exclusively that among the records are 25 UFO files generated by the shadowy MOD intelligence branch known as DI55 that investigated the more bizarre reports reported to the Ministry since 1971. Historians who describe the Cold War files as "the crown jewels of contemporary history" are concerned the MOD will use the asbestos scare as an excuse to further delay their release, imminent when the Freedom of Information Act comes into force in January 2005. The MOD have told us that it is possible some of the files might have to be destroyed if the cost of preserving them safely is too high.

"You would have thought this was a classic case for the Disclosure Project, with questions in Parliament and a 'save the files' campaign. So what precisely are British UFOlogists doing about it? Well this is the first they will have heard of it. It seems they are so busy organising skywatches and social events they have remained blissfully unaware of the impending threat of destruction of their own "crown jewels." And as usual it has been left to professional historians to mount a campaign to save them."

Dave Clarke adds: "I have already initiated my own campaign to save these files from destruction via my MP, Helen Jackson, who intends the raise the issue with Defence Minister Geoff Hoon in Parliament in the near future."

UK Ufologist Joe McGonagle specifies: "There are a number of things that people can do without leaving their armchair, or posting a letter:

1. Send a message to the PM at:
http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/page3.asp

This is the text of the message UK Ufologist Joe McGonagle has sent to the Prime Minister:

"Dear Mr. Blair,

"It has recently come to my attention that an important part of our heritage is at risk of being destroyed."

"Records held by the Ministry of Defence relating to a critical period of the cold war and other records relating to the MOD handling of UFO reports have been contaminated with Asbestos, and consideration is being given to their destruction."

"These records are potentially of enormous importance to historians that want to better understand military and political decisions made during a very stressful period. If they are destroyed, rumours of "cover-up" will be rampant, and the resulting cost of dealing with such accusations will exceed any cost of salvaging the documents."

"Not only would this be a waste of public money, but it would also be a denial of the rights of voters to be informed the decisions made by their elected representatives and Civil Service departments."

"We have already had to wait for over a quarter of a century to learn what is in these files, and it seems that we may never have the opportunity to see them at all."

"Please can you take this matter up with the MOD in the national interest."

"Yours sincerely,
Joe McGonagle"

2. Contact your MP online. If you don't know who your MP is, visit: http://www.locata.co.uk/commons/
and enter your postcode.

3. Email the MOD at public@ministers.mod.uk


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MattChin on Dec 7th, 2004, 5:22pm

About the dolphin-alien connection you guys have been talking about, I think you may be on the right track...

It is fairly easy for even scientists to add genes or manipulate a creature or "being" to take on attributes of another... For example, scientists have found a way to make monkeys glow in the dark by splicing one with jellyfish genes or something like that. There are many other examples too.

So it makes you wonder then, when there have been reports of "glowing aliens"... maybe they are just wearing a suit with jelly fish genes in it! Or possibly even their flesh has jelly fish genes in it...

If you can make a monkey glow in the dark by splicing it a certain way with a jellyfish, what else is possible? And the same could obviously be done with a human...

There are only a few things in all of human history that are represented as being part animal and part human, or a combination of animals...

One is mythological beasts, being gene-spliced creatures.... almost hinting that we once had a technological past where we were able to gene-splice and make hybrids of animals...

Second is the faeries, whose tales are althroughout the world, not just Europe, whom seem to have been the "greys" all along, only under a different guise...


Third is satan the devil, whom has always been depicted as a gene-spliced being, or part human and part animal.... only possible with technology...

Which is what I think the "aliens" really are... not some beings from outerspace, but man-made abominations, originally created thousands of years ago in a technological age...

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Dec 7th, 2004, 5:55pm

Interesting theory. Where do you think they live?

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MattChin on Dec 7th, 2004, 7:18pm

To answer your question, I think it is possible to have large underground cities... and anyone wanting to hide from the whole world along with their technologies might hide there... and come to the surface now and again for supplies, etc. "they" could be on the moon, just as we may be on the Moon one day, underground...

Hints come from Biblical text, indicating some sort dwelling place of evil which exists underground. Hints that seem to indicate a kingdom underground controlled by satan, whom steals Souls, etc.

Then there are hints from faerie lore, where the beings lived under mountains, under lakes, etc. in small cities beneath the Earth.

There are many legends and myth of an underworld, yet there may be more truth to those myths and legends than we may imagine...

Nowadays there are even stories of underground bases where "aliens" dwell and work, so it all seems to tie in together when presented with books on faerie lore, aliens, and Biblical stories of satan and his servants.(Whom have always been depicted in artwork as strange ugly looking human-like "things")

These are just ideas and theories...
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jan 14th, 2005, 09:48am

MERLIN QUOTE:
"I watched on the Discovery-Sci-trek channel called Science of the Impossible. It delbt with life in space and whether it existed. The program tried to work out what aliens might look like, working out how there home planet environment would shape there evolution though they did say that if you ran evolution again on earth you wouldn’t necessarily get the same result."

I regret missing that programming.

I ask questions often and soon (in a day or three) I either receive visions or dreams and I get answers. Because of curiosity I had questioned what their homeland looked like. What I received was the following.

First I was shown a wind blown area where dust was a great hazard. I was in a structure, which I believed to be a home. The entryway to the home had a door you entered off a tarmac and then a second door about ten feet further from the first that you entered to get directly into the home. This was so the wind that was blowing at over 75mph outside would not allow the dust to enter the home. The home was extremely antiseptic.

Upon entering the home, I immediately noticed that it had wood furniture such as ours, however exceptional quality.

On another occasion, I saw a brick home and around that home were hills with other brick homes on it. The grass was the greenest green, however I felt another say to me that it was synthetic and not natural but you couldn't tell by touching it. The one speaking said that we have no bugs or insects of any sort in our world.

The sky was a bright blue and can almost say that the color of the blue was producing a light from itself. It is very similar in color as the words in this forum that say "Welcome to the UFO Casebook forums". A bright, bright blue that produced a light. Hard to explain.

I was then shown that the whole area above this blue sky, which wasn't a sky at all it turned out, was a dome. This dome covered the whole city (living area only) in its entirety.

In my dream, I was taken to another location below ground where young people were enjoying a party as if to be in a local business like a bar with a dance floor.

This location was in what the business had designed as a cave and was actually in the ground. Large rocks formed the walls for each room. Young extraterrestrials (youth) hung out in this location and I could see them enjoying their friends and listening to music that was recorded. There were no beverages or food so I assumed that they did not consume such things whatsoever.

It was explained to me that I will not hear anything because when they entered the room, they 'tuned' into the music that was being played and that they could hear it in their minds telling me that I would not be able to hear it and only they could. So you can see how funny it looked to me seeing them dancing, but hearing no sound. The extraterrestrials that were all present had a human form.

One told me that they do not allow sound to travel in their space that they live in while stating that all sound travels to the mind and that their living space is silent, be it speech, music or anything else.

In another dream, I was shown a brick building, which I was made to feel was a school. It was set off to the side a tarmac larger then any airport I have ever seen. Other then the grass area with the very blue sky inside of the dome, tarmacs appear to be everywhere as if their sole form of transportation is by air. The color of the sky was as if it were twilight and I was made to feel that, this is as good as it gets and they receive very little light from a sun.

Outside of the dome in the tarmac area you see both people talking with their mind and with their mouths.

Inside this brick structure there were human looking extraterrestrials that were in classrooms learning. Once again, all communications amongst themselves were taking place in the mind and the mouth. The studies that they were learning was that of earth.

It appears that only in the dome is speech or noise created by them not allowed

I was also taken to a museum that was very unusually set up. As I walked down the long halls, on the right and left were 10x10 sections separate from one another. Each section had a piece of history in it and human looking people standing in some of the sections. The people all appeared to be wax figures and the history was also that of earths.

Obviously, in these dreams I was being shown that they learn about our planet and our people to a great degree before coming here. I was also made to understand that given the opportunity to go to earth is an honor. Again remember that these particular extraterrestrials were that of a human looking form and not that of grays, greens or anything else.

If I recall any others I'll print them later Merlin.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jan 16th, 2005, 4:12pm

Yes mattchin this Planet has been visited many times by ET's from other Worlds and other Dimensions who have done experimentation on the lifeforms. I am submitting an excerpt from my book regarding a flashback that I had of one of my past lives.

A unique experience happened to me in 1958. I was meditating when I "saw" a flashback visualization, and I "knew" that this was a flashback of 150,000 years ago.
I saw myself walking along the top of a gigantic sea wall, which I "knew" was the Atlantis sea wall. I was about five feet seven inches tall, my chest was bare and completely hairless, my hair was black, and my skin was an abnormally white color like alabaster, not tanned or apparently affected by the Sun's rays. Around my neck I wore a "magnesium" type disk that was five inches in diameter. The disk was engraved with a picture of twin mountain peaks, and a star was positioned directly above. These were the Twin Peaks of Poseid, and the star represented Polaris.
I saw myself walking along a road. Farther down this road a group of Humans were beginning to gather, with the apparent intention of attacking me. I realized the danger, and I touched the metal disk with my left hand while I stretched
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forth my right hand in a straight line, pointing it at a tree that overhung the road where the group was forming.
At that instant a charge of electricity, like a lightning bolt, shot out from my right arm, and the tree split in two and burst into flames. The group became frightened and took flight.

I was aware that I was an alien creature and that I was witnessing a scene in Atlantis. I "knew" that I had landed from a spaceship with thirty-nine other beings like myself and that we came from Orion.
We were space scientists, and we had come to Atlantis to perform experiments with nature and to study the natural laws that governed the Earth. I also "realized" that we were the basis for the fable of" Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves."

The leader of our group was named for his home base which was the star Regulus. He stayed constantly in the laboratory that we had constructed on top of one of the Twin Peaks of Poseid. He was the only one of our group who could withstand the deadly radiation that was present in this laboratory from the radioactive energy stones, which were chunks of cobalt kept in the laboratory to supply the energy stored in our disks, which was necessary for our life support and sustenance.

We were not humans, and our bodies were artificially created. We were similar to androids, and we had no blood and no pulse except for an electrical field radiation. We needed no food or water to sustain us. Our sustenance was directly transmitted by the disks, which we wore around our necks and which were charged from the energy stored in the "hot stones" in the lab. Whenever we needed more energy, we would levitate up to the mountain lab and Regulus would place our disk among the "hot stones" until it had absorbed enough energy.

The Atlantean race was the most intelligent race that lived on Earth at that time, and they derived their sustenance from the fish and kelp found in the ocean. They had a thick bone forehead and a strong bridge on their nose as well as valves built into their nostrils, which enabled them to dive to great depths and to control their breath. They also had an abnormally large lung capacity and could store a great amount of oxygen in their lungs for undersea exploration. Their descendants of today are the Hawaiians and the Polynesians.

There were two other races that existed at that same time in this area. The Atlans were farmers who acquired their food by scratching in the ground with their crude implements to grow crops. They had a very low intelligence and were animalistic in their nature.
The third group were the Tritons, or the Creatures of the Sea, measuring eight feet tall and covered with a thick rubberlike skin. Their hands and feet were webbed, and although they were mammals, they could exist for long periods of time underneath the water. The Tritons were the only creatures who could effectively resist our energy force rays due to their insulating-type skin. They were a menace to us because they would frequently surface near members of our group unexpectedly and "playfully" crush the member to death in a bear hug. We constructed the Atlantis sea wall to keep them out.

Atlantis, as far as I could determine in this "flashback," was part of a gigantic land mass that existed between what is now South America and Florida and occupied a large area of the Atlantic Ocean. Poseid, where we had our laboratory, would probably be close to where the island of Bimini is at the present time.

As a genetic engineer, I was involved with my team of scientists in subjecting the Atlans to experimentation by using crystal light devices to alter their genetic structure. Although our intention was to create a hybrid race combining the best qualities of man and animal, we created mutant monstrosities of man and beast and fish and bird.
Other teams of our scientists were conducting experiments to control and alter the weather conditions of the Earth and to change the magnetic balance of the Earth's gravity field. Regulus and I and some other scientists in our expedition were opposed to these weather experiments as we feared that these experiments could destroy the Planet.

At this time there were severe earthquakes and volcanic eruptions as well as fierce weather storms. These bore evidence to us that the weather experiments were becoming dangerous to the Earth's gravitational field stability.
I received a telepathic message, which I believed came from Regulus, to return to the laboratory to prepare for an evacuation. The preparation involved allowing myself to be put into a deep state of suspended animation for the voyage in our spaceship and then to be awakened and revitalized when the journey was completed.

I proceeded to the laboratory, which required me to levitate myself up the sheer side of the mountain. When I arrived I was seized by some of my fellow Space scientists who had been assigned to conduct weather experiments. I was informed that our group leader, Regulus, had been destroyed by those opposing him and that the insurgents had decided to eliminate any witnesses who could testify that they had done experiments on the Earth's magnetic fields in order to enslave the Planet and its inhabitants.

I was loyal to Regulus, and I refused to join the rebels. As a result my energy disk was removed and I was transported to an isolated desert area far away from the laboratory where I was left to die. While at this remote place, I saw the spaceships of our people coming to pick up the survivors of our group and although I tried to signal them, I was not noticed.


As time passed I witnessed tremendous disturbances in the Earth's magnetic field, and I became aware of a great deal of radiation present. The eventual destruction of Atlantis was caused by the improper tuning of the crystal light machines used in the weather-control experiments.

At the end I saw a large section of the land mass that was Atlantis tom from the Earth and projected with tremendous force into the sky. I "realized" that this huge mass of land would become the Moon, formed from the land mass and debris involved in the great destruction of Atlantis. I also "knew" that the Earth at that time tilted approximately seven to ten degrees off its normal axis and was wobbling in an erratic and dangerous manner.

In time I came to understand that the Moon was created. to balance and stabilize the wobbling planet Earth so it would not be tom apart and destroyed.
Additional information was received psychically by me in this lifetime that five of these crystal light devices had been secreted at different locations on the Earth by these Space scientists and would someday be found. One was buried in a stone crypt in the ruins of the Aztecs outside Mexico City, another underneath or near the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt, a third in one of the stone pyramids of Peru. Another machine was buried near the city of Tientsin in China, and the last in the Antarctic in the Rainbow City. When these devices are found, the Earth will again be able to access the unified energy field of the Universe.

Other Worlds and other systems exist, which are mental, astral, ethereal, or interdimensional. Beings from these worlds can interpenetrate our World. This is evident in the sightings and abductions done by UFO entities. In order to understand the UFO phenomena, we must learn a higher physics and adapt a different logic regarding time and Space. This new awareness will bring the human race into the capability of time and Space travel similar to the technology used by the UFO Beings. We are on the threshold of Space Age enlightenment.
Visions and flashbacks have revealed to me other forms of life existing in different places in the Universe. The inevitable contact between the people of the Earth and life forms from other Planets has so far restricted itself to particular individuals, but this cannot remain the case for long. It will come to pass in the not distant future that official contact will be established with these alien Worlds.
At that time, we will have access to the Akashic records of Earth, which will be made available to us by these alien Worlds. Piece after piece of the intricate puzzle of our existence will fall into place, revealing our true origin and helping us to understand a little more of who we are, where we came from, and why we are here.
At the present time, there are various types and degrees of contact with UFOs exploring the skies and atmospheres around the Earth. From the center of the Earth, from other Solar systems, and from other Dimensions, the UFOs come, as varied in appearance as in purpose.

What do you think? Irwyn


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by nwsurc on Feb 6th, 2005, 7:19pm

Hi everyone,

I don't know how many of you have been by NWSURC's site lately, but I have posted links to Tosti's site regarding part one and two of his regression therapy sessions. Now I have asked for public opinion on regression therapy. If any of you would like to participate, I may post your replies on the site, while leaving your identities annonamous. If you are interested, please go to http://www.nwsurc.com. You will find it near the top of all the rest of the columns, in orange text and under the awesome blue alien artwork BJ has done. Email me your comments. I'll start posting them as I receive them. Thank you in advance! cheesy

Take care,
Barb
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Feb 6th, 2005, 8:38pm

What a great site! And B.J.'s artwork is great. I had never visited the site before. I need to collect and organize my response to the opinion question before posting on the site. I do believe that regression therapy can be very helpful with a very good therapist. And I for one would want a witness there with me. If the therapist does not "put words in the subjects mouth" I think it could be a good thing. But I would want someone with a great deal of experience and objectivity. Again Barb, the site is great and I like checking in on all of the reports. You have an exciting, but likely exhausting life, don't you?

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Feb 6th, 2005, 9:44pm

Yes, that is a great site. And what did I say a few weeks ago creolelady about February being a heavy sighting month. March will even be heavier whereas January wasn't.



oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by val1p on Feb 28th, 2005, 6:44pm

Heyas, question here. What is with aliens and their placing triangles belowing human's navels? Does anyone have an idea to what the significance of this is, or does it cause something, like a temporary tracking or memory device? I always read about people getting these triangles (upside down) .. but whyhuh

Jack do you think it would be possible to ask why this is to the aliens? I know you probably won't want to, and thats fine. But if you feel ok with it.. go for it. undecided Because I read a post of yours about asking your aliens about the land they live in, then you had a dream about it. If you aren't really able to do this... well then I'm gonna feel really dumb that I thought you could. lol
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:12pm

I've never heard of the triangle. Where did you get this Val?

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:14pm

on Feb 28th, 2005, 6:44pm, val1p wrote:
Heyas, question here. What is with aliens and their placing triangles belowing human's navels? Does anyone have an idea to what the significance of this is, or does it cause something, like a temporary tracking or memory device? I always read about people getting these triangles (upside down) .. but whyhuh

Jack do you think it would be possible to ask why this is to the aliens? I know you probably won't want to, and thats fine. But if you feel ok with it.. go for it. undecided Because I read a post of yours about asking your aliens about the land they live in, then you had a dream about it. If you aren't really able to do this... well then I'm gonna feel really dumb that I thought you could. lol


Actually Valentene they have told me. The reason some remain and don't fade is because they are telling other possible abductors that - hey, we've abducted this person already and we are either going to be checking in on him/her again if the triangle sits upright but if it points downward there are circumstances that made us decide not to consider them as part of our project.

In respect to the triangles that disappear, they were made to be seen and then disappear to let the abductee know that "no, you are not crazy, this really did happen to you". The same goes for the visible triangles that remained on the body.

There, that was easy. They happen to be here right now as I type.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:16pm

Thanks Jack, for explaining. Sorry to show my ignorance.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:18pm

on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:12pm, hjdelight wrote:
I've never heard of the triangle. Where did you get this Val?

HJ


hjdelight - you missed a lot of good posts. Go in the "General UFO/alien" section. On page two or three is a thread about the triangle thing. Actually queenofhearts might know exactly where the thread is because she's got a triangle. Probably why she was a MILAB.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:20pm

Yeah I'm always missing stuff. Ok..thanks.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by val1p on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:28pm

Jack... thanks for that information. I was really curious about that.

I know it must really suck to have them following you around all the time. I guess it'd be cool at first, then get really really bothering and irritating. How the heck do they even have the time to go and stalk you!?

Anyways, so basically you can ask them almost anything, and they (might) answer it? There are so many unanswered questions that I am dying to know, but then if I asked you to ask them, I'd feel like I was using you. You most likely just want them to go away anyways. How long do you think till they do leave you alone?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:40pm

on Feb 28th, 2005, 6:44pm, val1p wrote:
well then I'm gonna feel really dumb that I thought you could. lol


Valentene, it goes along with stupidity and retardation - no you can't feel dumb here either. If we wrote it, we experienced it. That's the best explanation I can give you.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by val1p on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:42pm

No, I believe you. I meant if I understood what you wrote the wrong way or something.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:42pm

ON THAT LAST NOTE,

WHO WANTS TO TRADE THEIR LIFE FOR MINE?
ANY TAKERS?

oljack666 (aka: meek and occasionally silly)
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by val1p on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:43pm

Ehh... we could do a half and half thing! haha we trade every other week.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:48pm

on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:43pm, val1p wrote:
Ehh... we could do a half and half thing! haha we trade every other week.


You wouldn't last a day because it takes years (in my case 4) to get over the fact they are always here while living in fear daily. Fear creates many things. Sickness and death for starters. Adrenaline was forever secreting. It is not natural for the human body to secret adrenaline on a daily basis. We did once, however we always had a tree to run up when we did.

oljack666 (aka:mischievous but honest)
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Feb 28th, 2005, 8:07pm

on Feb 28th, 2005, 7:28pm, val1p wrote:
Jack... thanks for that information. I was really curious about that.

I know it must really suck to have them following you around all the time. I guess it'd be cool at first, then get really really bothering and irritating. How the heck do they even have the time to go and stalk you!?

Anyways, so basically you can ask them almost anything, and they (might) answer it? There are so many unanswered questions that I am dying to know, but then if I asked you to ask them, I'd feel like I was using you. You most likely just want them to go away anyways. How long do you think till they do leave you alone?


The word is sick and yes it does suck to be stuck like this. Haven't looked at myself in a mirror for who knows how many months, have to take a shower with at least one who keeps a line open, yadda, yadda yadda. Consequently, I pretty much don't have a normal life.

But I fight back a lot. They want me to go here or go there and go everywhere, but I stay home and hammer away right here. It's sort of a "back in your face" thing. If they want something, the only thing they are going to get is their own stuff "back at them". Abductions, fear, physical pain, emotional pain, responsible for the militarys bright idea for MILABs, life-long illnesses is all I give them now - "Back in their face" letting them see the suffering that they cause. And I try to do this
a l l d a y l o n g.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by val1p on Mar 1st, 2005, 2:55pm

Heres an interesting article I just found a bit ago. It's by a UFO & Paranormal Research Center. I think it's pretty good. Opinions?

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/greysagenda.html
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 1st, 2005, 3:22pm

I've seen it before. A little too much Oscar Meyer in their for me though in respect to the greys and the govt.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by val1p on Mar 1st, 2005, 6:47pm

Alright, I was just looking at National Geographics website, and on the sidebar of an article there was a link to another article about a group called SETI trying to make contact with ET life. They say it could take decades and decades to finally make contact.

HELLO! Did they ever think of making contact through abductees?? Why haven't they tried that yet if they're so anxious to make contact?

Link to article: Here
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 1st, 2005, 6:54pm

Tell me about it. Isn't that absurd. SETI are the ones that you are seeing all of the negative conversation over from the Jennings show. Here is a group of people living under government grants and the like looking for sounds from other planets and galaxys but refuse to believe that ET is actually here.

Trust me, they'll get theirs. ET could be "in the spirit" very easily working them as well. That is their nature. They like to pull pranks and practical jokes. I wouldn't put it past them.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by nwsurc on Mar 6th, 2005, 05:04am

News Headline March 6, 2005 from India Daily (see link below article)

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We are visited and controlled by UFOs from the M15 Globular Star Cluster – the densest Black Hole driven “Core Cluster” – the capital of the Universe

Some Astrophysicists are running back to the drawing table in recent days. They are busy looking at a Star Cluster called M15 discovered years back by Hubble Telescope. This mosaic of the globular cluster M15 (fifteenth object in the Messier catalog of star clusters and nebulae) contains over 30,000 stars. The Hubble Space Telescope probed the core of M15, the most tightly packed cluster of stars in our galaxy, to look for evidence of either a massive black hole or another remarkable phenomenon: a "core collapse" driven by the intense gravitational pull of so many stars in such a small volume of space.

Rumors are rampant in India and China that the respective Governments have been contacted and the origin of the UFOs and intelligent life form is from this M15 Star Cluster. This Star Cluster is the densest part of the Universe. The same people are also talking about the fact that this so called M15 Core Cluster is the Capital of Universe. This is where the Federation of Universe is. .

Other intelligent life forms are scattered all over the Universe. But they act as colonies with different life forms. New colonies are created all the time by transporting different forms of intelligent life forms from one solar system to another. .

According to some Astrophysicists, this M15 Star Cluster is also the source of largest density of Black Holes and gateway to many Universes. .

The UFO sightings in the earth are either from this Federation of Universe or from the “Local Administrators” from the nearby Star Clusters. Every Star Cluster is a local Government managing the nearby civilizations. .

Either Government does not confirm the recent rumors but none of Government has decided to deny such rumors. .

The larger picture shows the central portion of M15, photographed with Hubble's Wide Field Planetary Camera 2. The image is about 28 to 30 light-years across. Images in ultraviolet, blue, and visual light were combined for this picture, so that the colors roughly correspond to the surface temperatures of stars in M15. Hot stars appear blue, while cooler stars appear reddish-orange. .

The density of stars rises all the way into the cluster center, marked by a green cross. Careful analysis of the distribution of these stars suggest that at some point in the distant past, the stars converged on M15's core, like bees swarming to their hive. This runaway collapse, long theorized by researchers but never seen in such detail, may have lasted a few million years--a flash in the 12-billion-year life of the cluster. A precise reading of the speeds at which stars move near M15's core would reveal whether the stars are packed so tightly because of the influence of a single massive object, or simply by their own mutual attraction. Stars would orbit more quickly in the gravitational grip of a black hole, which would be several thousand times more massive than our sun.

Source: http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/1801.asp

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Mar 6th, 2005, 09:43am

on Feb 28th, 2005, 6:44pm, val1p wrote:
Heyas, question here. What is with aliens and their placing triangles belowing human's navels? Does anyone have an idea to what the significance of this is, or does it cause something, like a temporary tracking or memory device? I always read about people getting these triangles (upside down) .. but whyhuh

Jack do you think it would be possible to ask why this is to the aliens? I know you probably won't want to, and thats fine. But if you feel ok with it.. go for it. undecided Because I read a post of yours about asking your aliens about the land they live in, then you had a dream about it. If you aren't really able to do this... well then I'm gonna feel really dumb that I thought you could. lol

Hey valentine, ive posted on here about the upside triangle hon, but mine is on the other side. yea it would be like right under the navel, but slide your hand to your lower middle back and thats where mine is. HAs been there for years now. have no idea what it is and the doc i asked to check it out had no idea what it was either.
qoh
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 6th, 2005, 10:40am

on Mar 6th, 2005, 05:04am, NWSURC wrote:
News Headline March 6, 2005 from India Daily (see link below article)

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We are visited and controlled by UFOs from the M15 Globular Star Cluster – the densest Black Hole driven “Core Cluster” – the capital of the Universe

Some Astrophysicists are running back to the drawing table in recent days. They are busy looking at a Star Cluster called M15 discovered years back by Hubble Telescope. This mosaic of the globular cluster M15 (fifteenth object in the Messier catalog of star clusters and nebulae) contains over 30,000 stars. The Hubble Space Telescope probed the core of M15, the most tightly packed cluster of stars in our galaxy, to look for evidence of either a massive black hole or another remarkable phenomenon: a "core collapse" driven by the intense gravitational pull of so many stars in such a small volume of space.

Rumors are rampant in India and China that the respective Governments have been contacted and the origin of the UFOs and intelligent life form is from this M15 Star Cluster. This Star Cluster is the densest part of the Universe. The same people are also talking about the fact that this so called M15 Core Cluster is the Capital of Universe. This is where the Federation of Universe is. .

Other intelligent life forms are scattered all over the Universe. But they act as colonies with different life forms. New colonies are created all the time by transporting different forms of intelligent life forms from one solar system to another. .

According to some Astrophysicists, this M15 Star Cluster is also the source of largest density of Black Holes and gateway to many Universes. .

The UFO sightings in the earth are either from this Federation of Universe or from the “Local Administrators” from the nearby Star Clusters. Every Star Cluster is a local Government managing the nearby civilizations. .

Either Government does not confirm the recent rumors but none of Government has decided to deny such rumors. .

The larger picture shows the central portion of M15, photographed with Hubble's Wide Field Planetary Camera 2. The image is about 28 to 30 light-years across. Images in ultraviolet, blue, and visual light were combined for this picture, so that the colors roughly correspond to the surface temperatures of stars in M15. Hot stars appear blue, while cooler stars appear reddish-orange. .

The density of stars rises all the way into the cluster center, marked by a green cross. Careful analysis of the distribution of these stars suggest that at some point in the distant past, the stars converged on M15's core, like bees swarming to their hive. This runaway collapse, long theorized by researchers but never seen in such detail, may have lasted a few million years--a flash in the 12-billion-year life of the cluster. A precise reading of the speeds at which stars move near M15's core would reveal whether the stars are packed so tightly because of the influence of a single massive object, or simply by their own mutual attraction. Stars would orbit more quickly in the gravitational grip of a black hole, which would be several thousand times more massive than our sun.

Source: http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/1801.asp


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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Mar 6th, 2005, 12:22pm

There have definitely been some interesting statements coming out of India in recent months. I a m very anxious to see what comes of it and what the sources of information turn out to be.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Mar 7th, 2005, 3:43pm

val1p, I agree.
When ET's abduct they create a two way communication network. They can not only read our minds, but we can communicate with and question their minds. Why don't we mentally ask them who they are, where they come from, and who we are and where do we come from etc.etc.? This is a valuable resource that we are not using.

What do you think? Irwyn


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Mar 7th, 2005, 4:10pm

I wonder if abductees are ever given answers to their questions during an abduction, and if they remember the answers when returned to their homes, etc?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Mar 7th, 2005, 4:15pm

Creolelady, the trick is for the abductees to ask the questions after their abduction. That way, they have an open channel, and they will remember the answers.

What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 7th, 2005, 4:24pm

on Mar 7th, 2005, 4:15pm, timetraveler wrote:
Creolelady, the trick is for the abductees to ask the questions after their abduction. That way, they have an open channel, and they will remember the answers.

What do you think? Irwyn


That's 100% correct. The only thing is though is once that channel is opened and the hearer is receptive, they don't want to go and I can't figure out how to close it so I'll assume it doesn't close at all. Maybe you have the mindset for sharing your life with others 24/7. I don't.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Einsteins_Spirit on Mar 8th, 2005, 2:07pm

Oljack666
I am curious have you been examined to see if you have any kind of implants ? If my understanding of implants are correct you could be communicated with thru them. A communication device from an Alien technology could be very small if they are advanced enough. Because the human thought process is electro-chemical you should be transmitting some kind of radiation if you had a very small implant. That is the only way electricity works by radiating some sort of signature. You could ask a physicist about that and I am sure they would say the same.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 8th, 2005, 4:51pm

Gee, Einstein. Thanks for the memory. One we usually just shove into the closet and try to forget about. he, he.

Einstein's pulling my leg. He already knows I have an implant(s). I think about them occasionally but have never read such a thing as you've posted. It's never wise to have a foreign object in your body be it an implant or an alien. lol

Believe it or not, I pretend that their technology is such that it can't kill me or they wouldn't use it. What good am I to them sick or dead. That's my mind set. It can make me sick and cause me to live with a frazzled feeling pretty much daily, but it's been so many years now that I've probably become accustomed to it. Who knows? That's not a question, it was a sarcastic comment so don't answer it because really, nobody knows.

Furthermore, do you know how many people there are that have sent Dr. Leir an e-mail and have never received a return answer? Most of them! Go there! Everyone begs for proof, just like we all look for a UFO to hover over our homes but for some reason, implants must not be enough proof. Go there.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Einsteins_Spirit on Mar 9th, 2005, 1:19pm

I thought you would geta kick outta that, my point is actually that I dont think enough attention is being given to those with implants and I think it is something that should be studied more and talked about more.

If I was an alien I would want all my contactees to have at least one implant so i could find this person and check on their progress. There is more to all this than is presently known.

It is my thought that abuctees are very special people indeed and should be treated with the highest respect and spirit to help them understand what is going on.

I could elaborate some more but it is point less,

I think guys like Steinberg are hopeless and we should concentrate on helpin those that need help instead of wasting our time with guys like him.

Just my thought, I am not ditzing your article about him I thought it was totally cool and he deserved it and want to thank you for taking the time..I am just saying I would rather work on the other. If everyone that believes would take a little time to volunteer some work, I think we could find some answer's and help the abductees.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 9th, 2005, 1:28pm

The problem with the implant thing is that in order for you to find out you first have to go to a doctor and - ready for this - ask him/her if he could order a CT Scan for your body because you think you were abducted by aliens.

Consequently, he instead refers you to a psychiatrist or psychoanalyist first.

It's not that easy Einstein. Docs don't believe and Leir's are few and far between.

You can go to the state of Texas and request a CT Scan without a doctors request. So, how many abductees would all like to fly to Texas and have this done. Not to mention, a CT Scan isn't cheap. It's well over a grand for each individual.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Mar 9th, 2005, 3:10pm

In the book written about Betty and Barney Hill regarding their abduction Barney Hill stated that he had no intention of taking that particular route but he took it anyway. It is apparent to me that the UFOs are able to either predict where someone will be or to control that someone to make them go where they want. This is a frightening form of mind control.

I also see by the accounts of the abductees that although they were abducted as adults they recall usually under hypnosis that they were also abducted as children. I believe that when they are abducted their genetic coding is altered. I do not believe that these abductees are selected at random. I believe that these certain people are selected because they fit certain criteria.

The fact that the same persons are repeatedly abducted and their family members who share the same DNA are also abducted would lead me to believe that the abductees represent key or special genetic and DNA coding or “markers” that is vital to the E.T.s research and experimentation. I believe that the UFOs are doing genetic and DNA engineering as part of a long-term biological project.

I believe that the UFOs who come to our Planet with their laboratory UFOs are involved in monitoring us and in tweaking our genes and our DNA in preparation for altering and replacing us with a new generation of hybrid lifeforms.

I believe that the UFOs search for these abductees who have these “marker” codes. The UFOs abduct these same people many times throughout their lives. It is also my belief that when you have been abducted, the UFOs have created a symbiotic two-way communication circuit and that you can question them and communicate with them on this communications line.

There are occasions when a physical communication and monitoring device is implanted in many abductees. Usually when the abductee discovers the implant and plans to have it surgically removed the E.T.s “visit” the abductee and retrieve the implant.

As a psychic over a period of many years I was able to discover that at least 10 persons that I interviewed were implanted with a monitoring device by the U.F.O.s. similar to the "tagging" of living creatures by our sciences in order to monitor their life functions.
Do not limit the UFOs to our mentality.
What do you think? Irwyn

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 9th, 2005, 3:25pm

On that note, I'm going to repost a post belonging to MajorX that I found while shopping deep into the pages here on the forum. This information interested me so much that I have printed them and hung it on the wall in front of my computer as a reminder that I have to do something here for myself soon. Keep in mind that MajorX is ex-military.

This is in respect to implants.

I would have to say one chip is for something and the other is for something else. I can only speculate about any of this. There is the cantalope and the T. We will call them the T-chip and C-chip.

The T-chip seems to be the more common of them. It is usally found in the thumb or toe, but not always. I know very little about the C-chip. The T is connected to your nervous system so that is can use your electromagnetic current for a power source. It is actively doing something within your system. The theory is genetic alteration, but I do not have access to that data.

I know Dr. Lier is trying to find out what is inside and the metal is resistant to laser. They have discovered that there is no match for the metal or alloy on earth. It is also an amorphous metal and it still carries a magnetic charge. I was told this was acutally impossible, but I have to laugh when I hear that. It has these little spikes that hook up to the main piece, I think 3 of them that are inserted into your nerves. On top of this thing are 12 sacks, it kinda looks like little eyes. The thing is acutally really creapy looking and actually looks like a tiny alien.

My input at a briefing was thus... "This chip is not a tracking device it is something that is effecting or recording the body and its changes. This is obviously some sort of mini machine and is doing something more than just recording information."

Now the C-chip may be something of a tracking monitoring device but I have little information on this. Maybe they already know the answer and that is why I don't know. The other device from what I do know can be found anywhere in the body. It is not connected to nerves that I have heard. This could possibly be some sort of tracking device, but yet it give off no frequency that we can register in this reality. Nothing measurable is being broadcasted. This of course could mean that it can be activated in range or turned on with a specific communcation.

I personally am not sure about the direct application of this device as far as 'gray' television. I feel very strongly that 'grays' are mostly interested in our genes and our 'cousins' are mostly interested in helping us evolve. At this point in my life I would go with your idea more than what any scientist is telling me until they can give me some very clear answers.

I do feel they are tampering with genetics and that those people with these chips are test subjects.

Written by MajorX
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Mar 9th, 2005, 3:31pm

Posted by Timetraveler Quote:
It is not true that the UFOs do not protect these implants because many accounts from abductees indicate that before they could have these implants removed surgically the implants magically disappeared. Do not limit the UFOs to our mentality.


posted by major Quote:
I do feel they are tampering with genetics and that those people with these chips are test subjects.


I completely agree with these two comments. One, i might have had something removed recently, second, my whole immune system is shot. I blame "them" for that.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 9th, 2005, 3:35pm

Ta Daaaaaaaa! She got it!

The body does repair itself once the enemy is removed. Believe it or not.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Mar 9th, 2005, 3:40pm

Quote:
Ta Daaaaaaaa! She got it!

hehe <takes a bow> yea finally got it after jack hit me over the head with a hammer a couple of times. grin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 9th, 2005, 3:46pm

on Mar 9th, 2005, 3:40pm, queenofhearts wrote:
hehe <takes a bow> yea finally got it after jack hit me over the head with a hammer a couple of times. grin


No I didn't, I was piece mealing because you cannot tell anyone too much of something or they won't believe you. Instead I had timetraveler and MajorX to back me up, which worked out real good from our earlier conversation this morning by e-mail. Which you should post to everyone here and tell them what happened to you before you went on vacation.

Do it in the abduction section where it belongs because you most definitely were re-abducted last week.

By the way, what state did you go to on your vacation?
oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Mar 9th, 2005, 4:24pm

i didnt leave texas . just went about 3 hours from where i live to visit my son. i'll post what happened in the abduction section. guess i kept wishing it was something else, but i think deep down hubby and i knew what it was. just didnt want to face it cause i thought it was over, guess not.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Mar 9th, 2005, 5:39pm

My question now, why was something removed last week?
What might have precipitated that response?
Anything coming up that might have caused it to be removed?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Mar 9th, 2005, 6:34pm

on Mar 9th, 2005, 5:39pm, creolelady wrote:
My question now, why was something removed last week?
What might have precipitated that response?
Anything coming up that might have caused it to be removed?


i really have no clue lady. as far as anything coming up, nothing that i know of, unless they know something i dont. the only thing that is coming up is an allergy test, but doubt that would have anything to do with it. other than that, i just dont know.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by MotoFly on Mar 9th, 2005, 6:59pm

I am almost 100% posotive there is other life out ni the universe out there. I mean with billions of galaxys how can there not be? I also think that the government is hiding to much information from the public.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Mar 9th, 2005, 7:05pm

An allergy test? A test, in a backhand way, of your immune system? Mmmm. Of course, what would it show? That you're reactive to ragweed? Hardly a threat to an implant. Ok....can't make a connection. Lol!

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 9th, 2005, 7:31pm

on Mar 9th, 2005, 7:05pm, hjdelight wrote:
An allergy test? A test, in a backhand way, of your immune system? Mmmm. Of course, what would it show? That you're reactive to ragweed? Hardly a threat to an implant. Ok....can't make a connection. Lol!

HJ


She needs to tell the whole story that she told me in my e-mail. Get it going queen of hearts.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 9th, 2005, 7:34pm

on Mar 9th, 2005, 6:59pm, MotoFly wrote:
I am almost 100% posotive there is other life out ni the universe out there. I mean with billions of galaxys how can there not be? I also think that the government is hiding to much information from the public.


MotoFly (cute name by the way) - motocrosser? Anyway, there isn't a member here that doesn't believe the same thing that you do. We're all in agreement pretty much on most things.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Mar 9th, 2005, 7:43pm

Glad to see you here and posting MotoFly. Welcome aboard!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Mar 9th, 2005, 8:39pm

on Mar 9th, 2005, 7:05pm, hjdelight wrote:
An allergy test? A test, in a backhand way, of your immune system? Mmmm. Of course, what would it show? That you're reactive to ragweed? Hardly a threat to an implant. Ok....can't make a connection. Lol!

HJ
OK OK hj lol so ive been in a frikin state of denial here. im sure after the test, theyll come back and put them little damn implants back in dont you?

Quote:
She needs to tell the whole story that she told me in my e-mail. Get it going queen of hearts.

oljack666
ok jack heading that way, right now. lol you all are impossible. ok it will be posted under abductions since im positive thats what happened, so go read it.
qoh
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Mar 9th, 2005, 9:15pm

ok guys, i posted it under alien abductions so you can go read it when you have a chance.
qoh
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Mar 10th, 2005, 08:30am

This is a message for the abductees;
I do not believe that the abductees are selected at random. The fact that the same persons are repeatedly abducted and their family members who share the same DNA are also abducted would lead me to believe that the abductees represent key or “marker” genetic and DNA coding that is vital to the research and experimentation. I further believe that the UFOs search for these abductees who have these “marker” codes.
The ET's are involved in a gigantic program of research and experimentation on the human race. The ET’s are using laboratory ships that are equipped with medical facilities and a crew of personnel. These personnel are artificial intelligence constructions which we call the “greys”.
On each ship there is usually one or two taller greys, which are the doctors who perform the surgery and the medical operations. These operations include implants, the harvesting of eggs from female subjects and the extraction of sperm from the male subjects.
The eggs and sperm are then subjected to an irradiation procedure to eliminate the negative animal genetic characteristics and injected with ET genetic material. This material is then transported to underground facilities and incubated in birthing chambers. The incubation period is much less than nine months.
This is the new hybrid race, which is the next experimental human race. When the new child reaches a certain age, it is reunited on the laboratories ship with the natural mother for a nurturing and bonding purpose and to acquaint the mother of her child. According to the psychic information, which I have received this program will be finished in 2010.

There have been newspaper reports of cities in the United States, which have experienced the shaking and vibrating of traffic stop signs and other mental signposts. This phenomenon is indicative of the underground incubator laboratories that are used by ET's.

What do you think? Irwyn

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by TheVoice on Mar 10th, 2005, 09:15am

coolExtremely well done TimeTraveller, so so close to the actualities. When I finally get to the stage where I detail Peasemore and all I was involved with, you'll see how close you came with that post. There are real hidden agendas here, both on the side of Alien and Military. It gets so tangled sometimes. My 'Troubles' began when I was a child, but I'll detail all of that sep. You have good instincts, best wishes, Barry
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 10th, 2005, 10:11am

You two are scaring the hell out of me and that's pretty hard to do.

Thinking about such things as them destroying the total population or allowing us to do it to ourselves first and then transplanting something a little more perfect on this earth in their eyes.

Yep, time to seek implant removal.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Mar 10th, 2005, 12:01pm

I'm so troubled and sad at the physical and psychological harm done to abductees. My suggestion of how to avoid being abducted;

The ET's use an energy beam to paralyze and transport the subject. If you could create a mirror light reflective covering or umbrella,you could deflect this beam. A covering such as this might be found in the Astronaut clothing designed to protect against solar radiation.
To protect against being abducted in your home, I suggest that you place several powerful bar magnets around your bed. This might interfere with the ET's EMF.

What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Einsteins_Spirit on Mar 12th, 2005, 3:57pm

I got my siggy workin it wa sthe image tag.

What I mean Oljack666 we need to create more Dr. Leir's,

I have trouble communicating sometime's.You know me simple simon LOL.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 12th, 2005, 4:06pm

on Mar 12th, 2005, 3:57pm, Einsteins_Spirit wrote:
I got my siggy workin it wa sthe image tag.

What I mean Oljack666 we need to create more Dr. Leir's,

I have trouble communicating sometime's.You know me simple simon LOL.


I have another e-mail in the works right now to Dr. Leir and I have his address as well, so I am going to mail it to him as well as e-mail him.

He's pretty adament about only wanting to see people that have physical evidence so I told him that I have the money. I'm sure that will over-ride any physical evidence he normally requires.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by roman on Mar 14th, 2005, 7:14pm

on Mar 10th, 2005, 08:30am, timetraveler wrote:
This is a message for the abductees;
I do not believe that the abductees are selected at random. The fact that the same persons are repeatedly abducted and their family members who share the same DNA are also abducted would lead me to believe that the abductees represent key or “marker” genetic and DNA coding that is vital to the research and experimentation. I further believe that the UFOs search for these abductees who have these “marker” codes.
The ET's are involved in a gigantic program of research and experimentation on the human race. The ET’s are using laboratory ships that are equipped with medical facilities and a crew of personnel. These personnel are artificial intelligence constructions which we call the “greys”.
On each ship there is usually one or two taller greys, which are the doctors who perform the surgery and the medical operations. These operations include implants, the harvesting of eggs from female subjects and the extraction of sperm from the male subjects.
The eggs and sperm are then subjected to an irradiation procedure to eliminate the negative animal genetic characteristics and injected with ET genetic material. This material is then transported to underground facilities and incubated in birthing chambers. The incubation period is much less than nine months.
This is the new hybrid race, which is the next experimental human race. When the new child reaches a certain age, it is reunited on the laboratories ship with the natural mother for a nurturing and bonding purpose and to acquaint the mother of her child. According to the psychic information, which I have received this program will be finished in 2010.

There have been newspaper reports of cities in the United States, which have experienced the shaking and vibrating of traffic stop signs and other mental signposts. This phenomenon is indicative of the underground incubator laboratories that are used by ET's.

What do you think? Irwyn
Hello timetraveler, In reading your quote from whom did you recieve this psychic information. Do you have any more information from this psychic?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Mar 16th, 2005, 10:11am

roman, i am the psychic!

what do you think? irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by roman on Mar 16th, 2005, 1:05pm

Hi timetraveler, my psychic abilities are not as developed as yours. Can you elaborate a little more the picture is a little fuzzy to me.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 16th, 2005, 2:08pm

Not necessarily replying for timetraveler, but I too experience the same things and are given similar information. Roman, honestly, none of this can be believed by anyone other then those such as timetraveler and myself who are experiencing it, not to the degree of belief that one has in this forum that is.

My experience is just a matter of intense listening. Sometimes things come to me as thoughts and sometimes things come to me as a verbal communication. I attribute the thoughts to human spirits and the verbal to extraterrestrial.

Now do you see how awful kooky this all sounds. Only those who experience it know better, but outside of that it's usually beyond belief.

I would like more then anything for that not to be so because I have tons and tons of things I've written down over the years about my experiences. Unfortunately, however, I have experienced more ridicule then one can even handle and therefore, I mention very little if anything anymore.

It's almost as if it's a matter of faith in respect to sharing my experiences with anyone anymore. I'm sure timetraveler has run up against these same block walls time and time again.

Some however can accept ridicule and go on with their own business. Not me, maybe it's the female in me that cannot accept such things. They affect me too deeply when I know what I know but if explaining I'll have someone standing in front of me with a facial expression that looks identical to "eyes roll". When someone hurts the body emotionally, they've hurt the spirit.

Consequently, I say nothing much at all anymore.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by TheVoice on Mar 16th, 2005, 2:17pm

coolYep, I can vouch for that ridicule too..........the crap I've had to endure has been horrendous. Picture the scene among ufologists when 'one of their own' dared to have an encounter..........that was me after 1974, true friends stayed true but the majority of my ufo peers treated me as if I were a leper!!!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 16th, 2005, 2:47pm

One things for sure though and I silently laugh about it, which is that nobody realizes because they can't know for sure what we actually haul around on ourselves.

I know many times when ET was with me at work at the Probation Department - boy, if they only knew. They knew nothing though or I would have lost my job just because the County would have thought I was nuts.

I'm like a walking plague sometimes. So in other words, what I am saying is that disbelief in what I tell someone that my be standing right in front of me could actually harm them. They bounce from one person to the next with no effort.

Just the other day I had to take my neighbor to the Sheriff's Department to get fingerprinted for a child care position. I sat in my car and then she got in and the feeling of a wave just left me and I know where it went. Right over to her sitting there in the passenger seat. Now, when they got to the Sheriff's Department, what do you think they did? Stay with her? Nope, instead they stayed with the Sheriff's Department.

They have actually already done something very similar to that and they showed me how they did it. One day I was visiting a homeless person who I help out more then occasionally. His acquaintences were there and obviously doing drugs. The wave I mentioned left me and I haven't the foggiest where it went because they had their choice of four bodies.

A day or so later I went to the Police Department to report a person who was forever drunk and driving her car around the city with her child while giving them her cars description and license number. Out go the waves again. Once again, don't know where they went just glad they're not with me for the moment.

A few days later our city police performed a major drug bust. Hmmmm, I thought about putting two and two together. I got more then just a thought from those "visiting" with me (in me) at the time, I got a verbal that said something to the affect as - "yep, see I told you we could do it".

See Roman how crazy this all sounds.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by roman on Mar 16th, 2005, 3:44pm

on Mar 16th, 2005, 2:47pm, oljack666 wrote:
One things for sure though and I silently laugh about it, which is that nobody realizes because they can't know for sure what we actually haul around on ourselves.

I know many times when ET was with me at work at the Probation Department - boy, if they only knew. They knew nothing though or I would have lost my job just because the County would have thought I was nuts.

I'm like a walking plague sometimes. So in other words, what I am saying is that disbelief in what I tell someone that my be standing right in front of me could actually harm them. They bounce from one person to the next with no effort.

Just the other day I had to take my neighbor to the Sheriff's Department to get fingerprinted for a child care position. I sat in my car and then she got in and the feeling of a wave just left me and I know where it went. Right over to her sitting there in the passenger seat. Now, when they got to the Sheriff's Department, what do you think they did? Stay with her? Nope, instead they stayed with the Sheriff's Department.

They have actually already done something very similar to that and they showed me how they did it. One day I was visiting a homeless person who I help out more then occasionally. His acquaintences were there and obviously doing drugs. The wave I mentioned left me and I haven't the foggiest where it went because they had their choice of four bodies.

A day or so later I went to the Police Department to report a person who was forever drunk and driving her car around the city with her child while giving them her cars description and license number. Out go the waves again. Once again, don't know where they went just glad they're not with me for the moment.

A few days later our city police performed a major drug bust. Hmmmm, I thought about putting two and two together. I got more then just a thought from those "visiting" with me (in me) at the time, I got a verbal that said something to the affect as - "yep, see I told you we could do it".

See Roman how crazy this all sounds.

oljack666
I dont think it's crazy. Let me be clear here, I said "my psychic abilities are not as developed as yours" I never said I didn't have any. I only questioned if there was any more info that would add to complete the puzzle. I can understand what you are talking about. I have somewhat of the same experience and I never know when it will happen as I cannot control it. I probably should try to develop it more and focus to fine tune it. I do know if I try to force it it dosent happen but if I relax and hold the thought it will happen sugguestive thoughts towards others. Also I dont talk about it to others either which is why I am here at this forum to talk about things like UFO'S. And Timetraveler, I meant no disrespect towards you if I have offended you please accept my apology. roman
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 16th, 2005, 3:51pm

I understood what you stated originally and you hadn't (not to my knowledge anyway) state your personal experiences previous to now either.

Consequently, when one doesn't, it's kind of hard to reply those things such as I mentioned above.

For more information on something else, which is indirectly relevent to this conversation, go into the "Aliens - What do they look like" section and go into the thread called "REPTILE".

I won't be explaining my personal experience in here but you can get the jist from reading my post of Gail Seymour's that my early days in all of this were a total hell. Of course, today's not so gread either but 7,8, and 9 years ago - I'm surprised I'm still alive.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Mar 16th, 2005, 4:48pm

Roman, I really understand how you feel. My abilities are not controllable as I think I would like for them to be.
I am grateful for them, but I attempt to shut out some things because it is too strange and scary.

But I am so thankful that I do not experience what oljack and timetraveler do, because I would not be ready for that kind of thing at this point in my life. It is good that they can still keep going with all of that happening around them.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 16th, 2005, 7:54pm

Jackie and I are taking the next 9 days off and traveling to Anywhere, USA. Does somebody "NOT" want me to me to be in their neck of the woods. he, he

Yes, we're on the road again. Hopefully this time they'll find a better home elsewhere. I sure hope so. Maybe I should take them to beaches in Southern California. With the weather changing they'ld probably like Huntington Beach. LOL

oljack666 - don't worry, I won't visit any of you. That sounds so rude but I would be doing you all a justice by staying away.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by roman on Mar 16th, 2005, 8:05pm

Have a safe trip Jack & Jackie I hope your sore throat goes away soon. Drive carefully and be well. roman
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Mar 16th, 2005, 8:12pm

As much as I would love to see you and Jackie, the extra baggage can stay out there on the west coast.

Just kidding, really.

I hope you find the best place for the two of you to live. And I am sure there is a place that is just waiting for you.

Try to keep in touch, and be safe. Are you driving, or flying?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by roman on Mar 16th, 2005, 8:16pm

Jack, creole, timetraveler, voice, how about an experiment in psychic ability say at noon each day [i'm using my noon eastern standard time USA for those in the UK] and take a moment to focus on a number and lets compile our findings in 2 weeks. Or if any one has a better idea im open
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 16th, 2005, 8:16pm

Driving. That's the only way to go. Just a looksee for a new neighborhood. Might start driving toward Arizona and New Mexico and then turn around on the last two days.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Mar 16th, 2005, 8:27pm

on Mar 16th, 2005, 8:16pm, roman wrote:
Jack, creole, timetraveler, voice, how about an experiment in psychic ability say at noon each day [i'm using my noon eastern standard time USA for those in the UK] and take a moment to focus on a number and lets compile our findings in 2 weeks. Or if any one has a better idea im open


I'm game, when do you want to start? Pick a day to start and end.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Mar 16th, 2005, 8:29pm

on Mar 16th, 2005, 8:16pm, oljack666 wrote:
Driving. That's the only way to go. Just a looksee for a new neighborhood. Might start driving toward Arizona and New Mexico and then turn around on the last two days.

oljack666


I love those states! Well, you have my phone number if you need to call. Be safe driving though, the weather can be so tricky at this time of year.
What day are you leaving?

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 16th, 2005, 9:10pm

on Mar 16th, 2005, 8:16pm, roman wrote:
Jack, creole, timetraveler, voice, how about an experiment in psychic ability say at noon each day [i'm using my noon eastern standard time USA for those in the UK] and take a moment to focus on a number and lets compile our findings in 2 weeks. Or if any one has a better idea im open


Roman: We would all have to be in the presence of one another in order to do that successfully. Besides that, not all of this is "psychic". Implants are a form of technology that assist the others in speech. That is not psychic, that's just plain ole telecommunication.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 16th, 2005, 9:13pm

Also Roman, Timetraveler wrote a book about his experiences. I think its at Amazon or I believe you can order it direct from him too. He probably prefers the direct method.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Mar 17th, 2005, 3:18pm

Roman, I'm presently working on my second book which will expand the first book and give us answers to who created us and why. My first book is entitled, "the soul is a traveler in time" and is available only from my personal stock. If you're interested in purchasing this book contact me at my e-mail address: ircon1@adelphia.net.

I search for understanding inasmuch as truth is relative to the level of comprehension of the individual. Knowledge is not the answer. Understanding is the final solution.

What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 17th, 2005, 10:51pm

Here's a version of Starman's sighting without the pictures since this particular format stretches the width. Should be easier to read and Roman go back a tad for message from timetraveler.

Just thought i'd let you guys know that i had a UFO sighting back on July 22nd 2003. A BBC cameraman filmed these craft in Hanbury, Worcester an hour or so before i saw them. If you would like to see this, (RealPlayer) go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hereford/worcs/3090649.stm This is abit of a dodgy link. If anybody knows of a better one, i'd appreciate it. By the way, i didn't know of this footage until two days after the sighting. If you're interested in my sighting, then go to http://www.daventrytoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=696&ArticleID=568425 You can also find a report of the sighting in Worcester at http://www.rense.com/general54/tm_jul.htm Managed to get some pics posted. Thanks BJ. The one top left was drawn by my son Luke, aged 9 at the time. The one top right was drawn by my son Brad, aged 7 at the time. The one bottom left was drawn by my son Liam, aged 6 at the time. The other one is by myself. Middle left photo is a still from the BBC footage. Middle right photo is a still from NASA footage, which bears a resemblance to the craft i saw.


............................................ A GENUINE ACCOUNT OF A CLOSE ENCOUNTER OF THE FIRST KIND ............................................. It was Tuesday 22nd July 2003.It was a clear summer evening, around 10ish. I was standing at my back door having a cigarette. Became aware of two black dots in the distance. Remember them changing course as soon as i'd noticed them. They headed straight toward me. At this point i didn't know what they were. Just thought it a little strange they both turned in uniform with one another. Really vague recollections about the next bit. Remember trying to look for them again. Seems like the next thing i know these objects are over my head. Yellowy brown in colour. Pulsating, which created ripples across craft. May have gave off slight swishing sound, but can't be sure. They were overtaking one another in the sky. One would take the lead, then the other, and so on. Got a really good look at these objects for what seemed like 30 seconds or so. Could've been longer, i dunno. Their motion and the fact they were pulsating gave the impression of a jellyfish swimming in bursts. My youngest had joined me in the garden at some point. He saw what i did. I left them going over the roof top and ran through to the front of my house and straight into the garden, calling my other two lads as i went. Remember looking up where the objects should've been. Only to find they weren't there. My youngest at this point was still in the back garden, and he shouted 'Daddy UFOs!' It seems that about the same time Luke & Brad were pointing to a point further on in the sky where the objects were. Now, these objects were apparently in at least two positions in the sky simultaneously. Which i'm sure you'd agree is wierd. Liam joined us shortly at the front. I tried to see these objects again, but never did. We waited there a minute or two, then came indoors.

We had a very brief discussion about it. All three of my kids said they were red balloons. I strangely accepted this explanation, and that was it for the night. Next morning, i go round my neighbours and tell them of the sighting. They informed me that they heard Liam shouting, but didn't think to look out. Again nothing much is said about it that day. Find out Thursday morning that these objects had been on the news by my neighbours over the fence. Now this's gonna sound like i waited till confirmation of the other sighting before saying about mine. Not the case. It was like a switch had been flicked inside my head. Straight away i've got full recollection. Not only that, i wanted to, and infact couldn't stop talking about it. Right then i got the lads together and told them to draw what they'd seen that night. The outcome you can see above.(edited on pc) They still maintain to this day that they saw red balloons, although Brad did once admit to me that they were infact changing shape. And from the way he described it, imploding in on themselves to reveal a triangular shape. This is notable in Brad's drawing. You will also notice that on both Luke and Brad's pictures there's a bar connecting the two objects. This was described to me in those few moments while we were drawing. It was as though we'd all allowed ourselves those few moments of truth. Red balloons they were not. This i know for sure. I think this is some kind of mechanism for trying to deal with what they actually saw. I know that i was really messed up for a while after. I'd go through bouts of self doubt. Telling myself that i must've been hallucinating or something. When i'd finally fought and beat my demons, i went to the local paper. The rest as they say is history. I know one thing, i was blessed for having this experience with my children. There was a bigger meaning behind this. How did no-one else see these objects. People were walking past the front of my house when the kids were pointing. Nobody even turned their head. I shall never forget this special day. A day i grew as a person. 'Shaman'. Thanks again BJ

P.S: Liam saw the craft overhead like myself. There's a similarity there i think. Luke & Brad saw the craft after they had passed over the house, hence the differing shapes. The colours of the unfinished ones match those of Luke's. CNN http://www.daventryexpress.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=696&ArticleID=571540
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Mar 18th, 2005, 07:56am

great post! these things scare the heck out of me, same thing as the rods. id rather see a "normal" ufo craft anyday of the week than to catch a glimpse of those things.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 18th, 2005, 6:15pm

Queen of hearts, do you really mean that when you say you would prefer to witness manned alien spacecraft vs rods and the like?

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by starman on Mar 22nd, 2005, 6:42pm

The objects i saw gave the impression of swimming due to the motion of overtaking and them pulsating. I'm unaware whether they were living entities in themselves or manned/unmanned craft. There was no fear involved. Indeed, my youngest son was in the back garden on his own, (aged 6), after i'd thought they'd gone over the house, and saw them too, the same way i did, and he showed no fear. We were all surprisingly calm during and after. Fascinating and awe inspiring. starman.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Mar 22nd, 2005, 7:57pm

on Mar 18th, 2005, 6:15pm, oljack666 wrote:
Queen of hearts, do you really mean that when you say you would prefer to witness manned alien spacecraft vs rods and the like?

oljack666

absolutely jack! and im not kidding either when i say stuff like that (rods and the jellyfish whateverthehelltheyare) scares the heck outta me. a thousand times over, id rather be taken than to see those things.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Mar 22nd, 2005, 9:57pm

Huh? Mmmm...it never ceases to amaze me how different people are. I on the other hand, would love to see ANY anomaly, be it ET craft, rods, ghosts, monsters....you name it.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Mar 22nd, 2005, 11:18pm

okay H.J. you take the ghosts and monsters and I'll cover the other guys. When it comes to ghosts and monsters, hear me clucking grin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by starman on Mar 22nd, 2005, 11:56pm

Agreed. Ghosts give me the spooks! Ha ha. starman.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Mar 23rd, 2005, 12:38pm

grin I am not a brave one with the topic, ufo's I can handle , but not the other.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Mar 23rd, 2005, 1:47pm

on Mar 22nd, 2005, 9:57pm, hjdelight wrote:
Huh? Mmmm...it never ceases to amaze me how different people are. I on the other hand, would love to see ANY anomaly, be it ET craft, rods, ghosts, monsters....you name it.
HJ


dont get me wrong hj hon, me id love to see a ghost or something like that, or a chupacabra, monsters, BUT RODS and JELLY fishy crafts give me the creeps. They look alive, squirmy, like worms or jellyfish, both of which i cannot stand.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Mar 23rd, 2005, 10:50pm

Jellyfish craft could be life forms or alien technology. Maybe they're just squishy life. grin Squishy life is just another life form. Jellyfish are a primitive but an amazingly efficient lifeform. They go back to when life was just getting organized. When single cells became more efficient when clumped together. Then some cells assumed special jobs in organism. This was about when jellyfish first appeared. We are the end result of the specialization of cell function in an organism. Your brain, eyes, heart or any other part of you is simply a group of specialized cells.

Rods are insects I'm pretty sure so don't worry about them. Have you seen any rods lurking under your eves or in the grass of your yard? I didn't think so. No one has. Only the camera has ever caught an image of one. Think about that. How likely is that? Rods are insects caught in motion on film I think. The same with orbs too.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 23rd, 2005, 11:32pm

on Mar 22nd, 2005, 7:57pm, queenofhearts wrote:
absolutely jack! and im not kidding either when i say stuff like that (rods and the jellyfish whateverthehelltheyare) scares the heck outta me. a thousand times over, id rather be taken than to see those things.


You mean these queenofhearts............
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oljack666 (aka: little stinker)
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Mar 24th, 2005, 10:10am

I do not like Jellyfish!!!!!!!
They hurt!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Mar 24th, 2005, 2:30pm

Quote:
You mean these queenofhearts


shocked uhhuh! i mean those exactly! god those are nasty critters
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 24th, 2005, 11:58pm

on Mar 24th, 2005, 2:30pm, queenofhearts wrote:
shocked uhhuh! i mean those exactly! god those are nasty critters


I knew you'ld like that one queenie.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by morgiana on Mar 25th, 2005, 10:41am

hmmm... i just read a book about sth similar... wait... i know! it was by clifford pickover "The science of the aliens". it's a really good book. do you know it?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by PadawanOsswe on Mar 25th, 2005, 3:55pm

one time I was at the beach in ocean city, new jersey a jelly fish tentacle washed up on shore and DAMN those things burn, I though somthing cut my arm because tectacles are clear and it looked like my skin had been sliced until my mom peeled the tentacle off.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by starman on Mar 25th, 2005, 5:06pm

oljack666. If you rotate the image of the jellyfish 90 degrees clockwise, and take off the writing, it definately resembles an alien vessel or species orbiting Earth. starman.
I've just done this, and i've got it as my wallpaper on my desktop. I've called it "Alien Domains".
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by JohnnyAnonymous on Apr 7th, 2005, 04:35am

on Mar 23rd, 2005, 10:50pm, hjdelight wrote:
Rods are insects I'm pretty sure so don't worry about them. Have you seen any rods lurking under your eves or in the grass of your yard? I didn't think so. No one has. Only the camera has ever caught an image of one. Think about that. How likely is that? Rods are insects caught in motion on film I think. The same with orbs too.

HJ


Thought I'd briefly join in as I've been silently lurking in the shadows reading all your comments here lately. These thoughts are soley a form of expression and observation. Not mean't to be taken anymore seriously than with a grain of salt, (the Anonymous disclaimer)

I believe that the camera can capture a number of things due to it percieving things differantly than you or I can with our eyes. I believe this just as strongly as I believe there is wind, although I've never seen the wind. I can't see gravity, but I can see it's effect and I can also with the right camera see it's force-waves. Yet Newton was hearlded as being a heretic when he came up with his theory of gravity. Remember we once thought the world was flat. Scientists using string theory claim that there may be more than 10 dimensions surrounding us. So I don't think it's all that far fetched that we could have lifeforms living in a parallel universe that occupies the same space that we inhabit. But I don't see them either. If you we're to travel back in time and tell people that without any wires that we'd be able to talk to people on the otherside of the earth, then you'd be in the same boat as Newton. So I think we just need a little more time with a lot of these unexplained phenomena....

Now with that said, is everything that John Bro and other's are catching all rod's? I think that there is a greater number of bugs being captured than rod's themselves. In fact I can simulate a rod in footage with the right camera settings and you'd not be able to tell the differance. But I've also seen footage of 20 and 30 foot rods that I can't just say is a bug, (some big bug at that).

Orbs, I can simulate an orb too with a speck of light dust and the right IR light (infrared) Also with the moisture outside at nite I can make it appear as if there were hundreds of orbs around you. But as above, I've also witnessed some events that clearly we're not hoaxed and none of us learned people could say anything more than what we witnessed was not explainable after all other explanations had been ruled out.


All I'm trying to say is that just because something hasn't been caught, dissected and had a paper written about it yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And I believe that the camera is a great tool for moving forward in helping to explain what some of these anomalous objects are.

And yes, in my observation I'm defending the camera with my two cents (LOL).
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 7th, 2005, 10:16am

Very well put. But may I say this, just because it's not explainable, by the same token as your argument, does not mean it is an orb or rod as defined by some as being alive in some sense. You have said that most are explainable as camera artifacts and are repeatable so wouldn't it be logical to assume the unexplainable are the same rather than some unknown species? If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck....you know what it is, right?

Let me make an analogy. Suppose you worked in a marble factory and made 200 marbles a day. One day you come in and find 201 there from the previous day. It's unexplainable! Would you assume that the marbles are alive and breeding or that you made a mistake in the count the previous day? One assumption is probable and the other not. People always have the choice in a situation involving the unexplainable to go either way....the probable or the unprobable.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by JohnnyAnonymous on Apr 7th, 2005, 2:32pm

The following is simply provided for the entertainment factor,, probably more so for myself than anyone else. (The Anonymous Disclaimer)

hjdelight wrote:
But may I say this, just because it's not explainable, by the same token as your argument, does not mean it is an orb or rod as defined by some as being alive in some sense. You have said that most are explainable as camera artifacts and are repeatable so wouldn't it be logical to assume the unexplainable are the same rather than some unknown species? If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck....you know what it is, right?


I never mentioned any of my simulations occuring due to camera artifacts, these are your words. All simulations I created were natural & without artifacts.


Have you ever seen ball lightning? I have, but it is neither a ball or lightning. Your thoughts on a extra mysterious marble showing up doesn't really fall into the same category that we're discussing, as the marble is already an established "thing". Orbs and Rod's are not and since I can hold a marble but not a rod or orb, I see no reason to pursue my search for a marble, as it has been categoricaly identified and established as 'real'. The fact that I can simulate the effect should have no real bearing except in the sense of being able to say: "And we were able to duplicate these results/effects under laboratory conditions (or out in the field for that matter).

So in a roundabout way, I don't have a problem with your previous statement. As there are many other phenomena that could create a number of 'explainable events' that could be misconstrued for a rod or an orb or a supposed 'unexplainable event'. Are a lot of sightings explainable? I lean towards the 70 -80% mark that they can and will be explained. But I don't care about them, I'm only interested in the 20-30% that still have us scratching our heads....

I have never seen an alien, yet I believe in the possibility that they might exist. I have used the mathimatical odds and quantum physics theories to arrive at the possibility of their existence in our big universe. What does an alien look like? I don't know, Hollywood has created a whole slew of wild looking creatures, and after awhile the majority believe that they must look like greys or smaller humanoid versions of ourselve. But why, is it not also possible that they might look like a marble or a jellyfish? If you swing or pan the camera fast enough, I could make "you" look like a rod, (or I guess by your definition,, a bug), but this doesn't mean that you are one, right?
So the looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be a duck doesn't fly with me.... (pardon the pun)

Now give me a room where the extra marble disappears being replaced by a orb thats being sat on by a quacking duck as a rod impersonateing a bug was seen fleeing the crime scene,,,, and then my friend,,, we have something!!!!! LOL


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 7th, 2005, 5:00pm

Lol! Ok then. I really didn't want to debate at all but you seem to believe there's something to the rods and orbs and questioned my opinion on it. You wish to take the improbable conclusion, then please do so.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by JohnnyAnonymous on Apr 7th, 2005, 5:24pm

A debate was not foremost on my mind either LOL....

My only stance is that we should be open to all possibilities until everything else has been ruled out.

But I did enjoy our bantor, truth be known, both of us could be right, or both of us could be wrong. The sharing of an idea, concept, theory, I think that's all part of the fun for the search of individual/group enlightenment.

Only time will tell my friend...
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 7th, 2005, 5:48pm

Of course we must be open to all possibilities. I don't think you'll find anyone here with a closed mind and perhaps my statement that there was nothing to it was too strong. I don't know the answer. I just think it improbable that they are lifeforms or actually exist in fact. That is other than as insects or dust particles. People have reproduced rods on film at will by setting their camera under the eve of their house pointing into the sky. They also toss talcum into the air and produce orbs using a flash. Since no one has captured or even seen these things except on film, it appears unlikely they exist to my way of thinking. I would love someone to prove it to me that they do though. wink

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by nwsurc on Apr 7th, 2005, 7:58pm

Just when you thought there couldn't possibily be anything more to the Roswell New Mexico case, in pops another eye-opener.

Check this out http://www.hbccufo.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2589

Interesting document if I say so myself. "...debris from that is still being analyzed and of course not open to the public for viewing.."
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by nwsurc on Apr 7th, 2005, 8:01pm

That must be some weather balloon...ROTFLMAO
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 7th, 2005, 8:26pm

It's either a peek under the covers or a really poor choice of words. We'll see.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Apr 7th, 2005, 11:10pm

Quote:
QUOTE=JohnnyAnonymous
Now give me a room where the extra marble disappears being replaced by a orb thats being sat on by a quacking duck as a rod impersonateing a bug was seen fleeing the crime scene,,,, and then my friend,,, we have something!!!!! LOL


Quote:
QUOTE=hjdelight
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck....you know what it is, right?
Let me make an analogy. Suppose you worked in a marble factory and made 200 marbles a day. One day you come in and find 201 there from the previous day.


You two are quacking me up.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Apr 7th, 2005, 11:37pm

on Apr 7th, 2005, 7:58pm, NWSURC wrote:
Just when you thought there couldn't possibily be anything more to the Roswell New Mexico case, in pops another eye-opener.
Check this out http://www.hbccufo.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2589
Interesting document if I say so myself. "...debris from that is still being analyzed and of course not open to the public for viewing.."


Gee, just think. If we all had the same ideas years ago and simply wrote all the congressmen, just think of the odds of clerical accidentally spilling the beans a few times, if this is the case.

Sounds like someone took it upon themselves in his office to do his job. Those liberties are given to many good clerical as well as right hand mans. That is if this is all so, of course.

It sure has a hint of Stuart Miller's April Fool's joke in it though. After that one, I have trouble believing in mysterious packages right now.

If Brian Vike used his head, he should have Mr. Brown simply write the one who signed the letter and casually ask one simple easy question, "what department said that the crash pieces that are being analyzed are closed to the public"? Something simple and not suspicious such as that. If the congressman isn't hep yet to the letter, clerical or whoever it was that signed it might respond with an answer.

Barb, you know him well enough - you should ask him about doing something like that.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by nwsurc on Apr 8th, 2005, 12:14am

I would never assume to tell Brian how to do things! LOL He might take it that way if I was to approach him with it. So I'll just let sleeping dogs lay...so to speak. wink
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Apr 8th, 2005, 12:59am

on Apr 8th, 2005, 12:14am, NWSURC wrote:
I would never assume to tell Brian how to do things! LOL He might take it that way if I was to approach him with it. So I'll just let sleeping dogs lay...so to speak. wink


Maybe I will then. I'm a total stranger to him so it makes no difference for me. I just hate to see anyone sit on something like that and not move on it in some fashion anyway. He might just get lucky, and then what would he have?

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 8th, 2005, 7:53pm

Gee...it never occurred to me that Jack would push on something like that. grin grin grin

Gotta luv ya dear...........HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Apr 8th, 2005, 8:00pm

on Apr 8th, 2005, 7:53pm, hjdelight wrote:
Gee...it never occurred to me that Jack would push on something like that. grin grin grin

Gotta luv ya dear...........HJ


Ah, I do it all the time I just don't say what I do sometimes. Got burned on this one though. He called me a twit. That won't keep me from doing it again though. Instead, Brian Vike - where ever you are, You're a twit too. So there we're even you twit. Na!

Actually, I didn't mention the following or he would have called me something other then a twit but he shouldn't have even published that letter until he had already done what I suggested, which was to have "Brown" write that clerical person back and ask that question or one like it. Instead, the congressman has seen Brian Vikes website post by now and the clerical was probably fired. Whatever, to anxious to let everyone see what he had I guess. Hindsight.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 8th, 2005, 8:13pm

Mmmm...he called you a twit? Bad form old sport! Doesn't it take a nitwit to know a twit by the way? Mmmm....wars have been fought for less than this! Outrageous! grin

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Apr 8th, 2005, 9:06pm

on Apr 8th, 2005, 8:13pm, hjdelight wrote:
Mmmm...he called you a twit? Bad form old sport! Doesn't it take a nitwit to know a twit by the way? Mmmm....wars have been fought for less than this! Outrageous! grin

HJ


Yeah, and only over a paragraph of text yet. I didn't take it to heart, I just blew it off. Are you kidding, with what it is I do or am, do you think that I can let ridicule bother me. All in good fun in respect to Vike. You know I'm not malicious and really didn't retaliate. I just left the LOL off.

oljack666 (aka: puppy)
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Apr 8th, 2005, 9:20pm

oh the man is an idiot, called you a twit hon?? that is the rudest thing and over one paragraph. where are his manners. HA he doesnt know you sweetie does he? like thats gonna stop you.

Quote:
Ah, I do it all the time I just don't say what I do sometimes
HAHAHA!! and wouldnt they like to know lol. and shes good at it TOO.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Apr 9th, 2005, 6:31pm

On a more serious note? this was recieved from one of my correspondants;

BREAKING NEWS: Our friend from Italy just called and said George Bush Sr., George Bush Jr., Laura Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Bill Clinton showed up to a meeting to pay their respects to the Pope. Their attention was drawn to a huge Space Shuttle hovering above the Vatican with a warm orange-yellow light streaming down on the Vatican. George Bush Sr. looked angry. George Bush Jr., Laura Bush and Condoleezza Rice looked frightened and visibly shaken. Bill Clinton just beamed! The Galactic Forces are here and they are not going anywhere! OH MY!"







Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by JohnnyAnonymous on Apr 9th, 2005, 8:32pm

Quote:
author=timetraveler On a more serious note? this was recieved from one of my correspondants;

BREAKING NEWS: Our friend from Italy just called and said George Bush Sr., George Bush Jr., Laura Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Bill Clinton showed up to a meeting to pay their respects to the Pope. Their attention was drawn to a huge Space Shuttle hovering above the Vatican with a warm orange-yellow light streaming down on the Vatican. George Bush Sr. looked angry. George Bush Jr., Laura Bush and Condoleezza Rice looked frightened and visibly shaken. Bill Clinton just beamed! The Galactic Forces are here and they are not going anywhere! OH MY!"


OK, I'm the new kid on the block (so to speak) so since I don't know all of you yet and everyones little quirks, I must assume that your fooling around with us gullible souls!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 10th, 2005, 10:42am

Maybe.........

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Apr 10th, 2005, 7:36pm

Maybe he meant to say, "their attention was drawn to a picture of a huge Space Shuttle hovering above the Vatican".

Well, I'm here to modify my post since I found a news articl on it and posted it in Sightings under Vatican UFO.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by duneguy on Apr 14th, 2005, 8:00pm

Orbs are very interesting sites. I saw one a few years ago when visiting my family cemetary. It was late at night, the weather was clear and there were no headlights or streetlights nearby.

The weird thing was , the date was the anniversary of my uncle's death 5 years before.

I still get the willies thinking about it . shocked
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 14th, 2005, 8:23pm

You saw an orb floating in the cemetary DG?

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Apr 14th, 2005, 8:25pm

brrrrr! Shiver me timbers duneguy! That scares me! I am glad what I saw was in the daylight and I was not alone. My daughter did not see it though because she had her head looking down into the book she was reading. She thought I was crazy. It was at 10:15 a.m. just south of Jackson, Ms. on March 11th this year. I had just leaned forward to look up into the sky because it was the very day of blue sky we had seen for several days. As I looked up commenting on how beautiful the sky was something caught my eye. It was pretty large and appeared to be in a floating movement. Thinking about it today, I think the movement was like a butterfly flight. The object was white or maybe it was a bight white light. I don't know, but it was not far in the sky, because I had a building in view and it was not far above it in height, but closer tobeing in the field behind it. I asked my daughter what that was twice, and I looked towards her. By the time we both looked back at the sky, it wasn't there. Had it been a ballon, I would have seen it somewhere, up or done in that quick a glance. Anyway, it was just something strange and I didn't find an explanation that I could say was exactly what it was. What they showed on the video clip of an orb (but it was a night) looked just like this.
Just one of those wierd things that I wonder about.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by TheVoice on Apr 15th, 2005, 08:52am

coolAll thru the 70's I was forever capturing orbs or spheres of light on film. Not seen at the time but they would show up afterwards. Even one in a graveyard at night. Andy Collins used my photo in a book called "The Circlemakers". For some reason the darn things would follow me around ready to be accidentally photographed!!!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by duneguy on Apr 15th, 2005, 6:03pm

They are awesome sites, especially on video ......


Their movements are hard to follow though. cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Apr 15th, 2005, 6:12pm

Hello duneguy; I believe that what you saw and continue to see are not UFOs but are spirits of departed persons. Try to sense if there is any identifiable presence in the globe of light the next time that you have a sighting.

What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by duneguy on Apr 15th, 2005, 6:22pm

Will do. It sounds like there is more to be seen in these orbs. They do give off an aura that is worth looking into further. cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Apr 16th, 2005, 09:15am

Re" One page back.
Back to the Brian Vike's (Roswell inquiry) that was received from the Congressman's office. A post appeared today in Virtually Strange.

I talked to people in two of Delahunt's offices... Kylie Miller is in Hyannis - not DC. The input about Roswell (words within the letter) all came from the International UFO Museum and Research Center. _Not_ from anybody in the government.

Sorry.

I don't know why Brian Vike, who had faxed me a copy of the letter last Thursday - I left town early Friday - %released the letter especially with Brown's address without checking. Trust
but Verify!!

Stan Friedman

UFO UpDates Archives are available at
The Virtually Strange Network:

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/

Gosh I hate when that happens to people that call me a twit! - So sorry Brian. NOT
oljack666


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 16th, 2005, 10:19am

I love you Jack. Make sure you always remember that. Lol!

HJ

PS: Especially if I get irritated and call you a twit!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Apr 16th, 2005, 10:48am

Quote:
I love you Jack. Make sure you always remember that. Lol!
HJ
PS: Especially if I get irritated and call you a twit!


LOL! no you wouldnt want to get on her bad side hj so youd better be very nice to her! lol grin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 16th, 2005, 11:11am

Yes m'lady.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Apr 16th, 2005, 5:03pm

H.J. is always well behaved wink
oljack, remind me never to make you angry. No telling what might drop out of the sky!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Apr 16th, 2005, 5:40pm

on Apr 16th, 2005, 5:03pm, creolelady wrote:
H.J. is always well behaved wink
oljack, remind me never to make you angry. No telling what might drop out of the sky!


Ok you three - My action was justified. The man doesn't know me from Adam but called me a twit and then Stan Friedman returned the favor and basically called Vike a twit in so many words. he, he.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Apr 16th, 2005, 6:22pm

Yes m'lady. (deep bow)
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Raelian1 on Apr 19th, 2005, 5:48pm

Scientists from another planet created all life on Earth, including us. The sightings that are genuine are indeed their spaceships you are witnessing. The elohim (alien scientists) are constantly making their presence known. They will make contact once the embassy is set up.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Apr 19th, 2005, 6:21pm

you mean OFFICIAL tea and cookie contact? cause theyve been having contact with us for a very very long time dear. OH, and what makes you think they havent had contact with the govts already? they already have sweetie.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Apr 19th, 2005, 7:42pm

I agree queenofhearts. Absolutely agree.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Apr 19th, 2005, 8:12pm

Raelian 1, The only thing you'll ever get me to believe is that they're skinny little liars, scam artists and cons that use humans as vehicles to get them around town for the time being.

Meanwhile, they take advantage of the nature of that vehicle, which is beneficial for most of them as it would be for a rapist or pedafile.

oljack666
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by duneguy on Apr 20th, 2005, 09:02am

I'm with jack on that one. They are selfish, manipulative parasites......... not worthy of our respect nor our empathy. smiley
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Apr 30th, 2005, 1:23pm

Hi everyone
oljack and a few others suggested I post on this forum as my comments and questions were weather aliens could be from our future. I also agree that they are insensitive and cruel in how they treat their specimens. Just be glad they are not cutting you up like they do the cattle.
It seems obvious to me.
Some agency or entity is manipulating us for their own benefit. The most likely reason I see is the desperate attempt to survive. The evidence speaks of a race that is dying and needs to collect the materials from a time before genetic science changes the world forever.

Our history and that of the whole world suggests the deliberate attempt, by these entities, to change our social conscience to avoid calamity.
The information given us by all the prophets and all ancient texts say we are headed for the end of the world.

The means of that end is not completely clear and varies from one source to the next but all agree that the end will come.
The reports of world calamity are depicted and expounded on by many of the abductees and writings throughout history.
Religious writings from all over the world and warnings from profits to the writings of lost civilizations predict a great conflagration that consumes the world and all but a few who inhabit it.

I have problems with predictions and from where they are generated.

It is difficult for me to believe that people can see the future.

It is more realistic for me to believe they were given the information by someone who knows what has happened having seen it in their own history.

Prophets through the ages have reported angels, and other ethereal agents which have imparted this knowledge to them and left them to act on it in their own fashion. Throughout the pages of the catholic bible there are accounts of visitations and influence of the prophets all scripted to direct history and man toward a more civilized belief structure and social awareness. The same precepts and theologies were disseminated throughout the world at about the same time. The reports of abductees say that these assertions are still being made. It is the aliens that are now trying to tell us.

I postulate that our future descendants having seen the past and identified the crux points where and in which their reality ended badly decided to try to influence their history.

This is one explanation that includes all the evidence and the
historical records as well.

Still we will not wish to believe that the end is immutable, and we are directed from the future. I do not assert that it is beyond our ability to change. Only that the future that harbors these aliens is immutable.

That brings us to current affairs.

Abductions, livestock mutilations, the continued harvesting of genetic material, all these things are interrelated in one way.

A future that is denuded of self replicating life.
A world that has lost the ability to live without intervention.
An environment so controlled that all independent life is nonexistent.
A society trapped in a place that leaves no other recourse but to attempt to retrieve things that were lost.

Our current visitors are not willing to expose themselves to our scrutiny and continue to harvest the materials of life from our food stocks and our selves. If we wish to understand the reasons we have to explore any and all possibilities and decide if the facts fit the evidence.

Woodgnome49
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Apr 30th, 2005, 3:51pm

part2;

A long, long time ago the Creator summoned His Angels and vested in one Angel called Jehovah the power to create physical matter, but not to create Souls, and “He” commissioned Jehovah to create a new World System to educate the “new” Souls, and “He” gave him the Third and Fourth Dimensions for this project. “He” gave to Jehovah thousands of Angels to assist Him in this task, and “He” assigned to Him many “new” Souls who were created from the body of the “Higher Authority”. Jehovah chose Satan to assist Him in this Enterprise.
Paradise, [Garden of Eden], was the first experimental environment for these new Souls but it was not a physical Planet but a mental dimension World. These “new” Souls were called Adam because they were the first experimental group.
When our Souls were first separated from the body of Energy which was the Creator and we were individualized with our own identity, we had the same potential powers as the Creator but we had no knowledge or wisdom and we did not know how to use our powers.
These Souls had no incentive to learn or to evolute but only desired to enjoy the perfect World that had been created for them. There were no crises or problems or changes and this was a World that they could control mentally.
Jehovah realizing that Paradise was too Godlike and could not produce a proper learning environment decided to split Adam into two physical bodies being male and female and remove the Creator powers from these physical constructions. [This is why we search for our soul mates in order to be whole again].
The Souls that were given to Jehovah originally were complete and were androgyne but Jehovah decided to divide these Souls into male and female and to clothe them in a flesh body to enable them to experience the physical and emotional experiences of pain and pleasure in the different sexes.
It was also decided that an experimental World should be created that existed on the principles of polarity.
The Planet Earth was selected for this new World System. This new World existed on the principles of positive and negative, light and darkness, pain and pleasure, life and death. This World, [Earth], depends upon the Sun for its life-giving energies and for its reflected light.
Jehovah assumed the role of the positive God and Satan assumed the role of the negative God. Between these two opposing polarity forces they attempted to create a functioning World of Humans Beings.
A new system was designed to educate the Soul through the experiences of physical life and to learn by cohabitation with the environment and the life forms. This curriculum was called Karma which required that these Souls reincarnate interchangeably as male or female in a cycle of lives based on the principal of cause and effect.
When the Creator created our Souls, the Souls were in the image of the Creator. However, when the Angel Jehovah created the physical Human Being it was a new form that did not exist in the Universe.
Before the new Souls could be introduced into this planet Earth life forms had to be created to eventually cohabit with these Souls. The first experimental animal physical form was the Saurian or dinosaur construction because the Saurian form was a life form that already existed in the Universe.
These Saurian mammals were the dinosaurs that inhabited the Earth millions of years ago.

What do you think? Irwyn

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Apr 30th, 2005, 3:59pm

part 1;This is what I have been taught regarding Creation;

Visualize the Creator in its original state as pure energy. What is “It”? What are “Its” dimensions? What is “It” capable of? These were the questions that the Creator asked “Itself”.
The Creator realizing that “It” was “potential” and not “actual” decided to create from the body of “Itself” by converting pure energy into matter.
[This awesome process of converting energy into matter is called Crystallization and the Church has misinterpreted this process and built a religion derived from this transmutation and called it, “Christ”.]
In the beginning there was a Void and darkness and everything was pure energy and the energy was what we call the Creator [God]. The Creator in order to “experience” “Itself” and to learn about “Itself” decided to create Souls in “Its” own image so that these Souls could be a mirror to “Itself” and everything else in Creation to be the classrooms and schools for the Soul's education.
In the center of the Universe, [Womb of Creation], in this Void and darkness there was a gigantic orgasmic explosion of energy and “bullets” of energy were propelled, and some of this energy became Universes and Galaxies and Solar Systems, and some of this energy became Souls.
In our first incarnation our Souls were sent to a mental World where we could exercise our mental and energy powers. We could create and destroy with our minds.
This was like our “play pen” where we could express ourselves and explore our powers safely without harming anything. In this first classroom we had no restrictions or limitations put upon us.
In the next incarnation we were sent to a more complicated World that had some restrictions and limitations. In each subsequent series of incarnations there were more and more restrictions and limitations.
The purpose of this curriculum is to teach us by experience. We are students in a, “school for Angels”. Now we are in the classroom called Earth which is a three-dimensional World and which is Spiritual, Mental and Physical [“Holy Trinity”]. This is the most difficult school for Angels.
We are the "fallen Angels" referred to in ancient books. However, we have descended from angelic to human in order to learn through the experience of working through limitations and restrictions. Now it is graduation time for some of us. Some of us will ascend again to angelic.
The Universe is in the shape of a spiral and might be described as a gigantic serpent whose coils go round and round but no coil touches another coil. This maintains a perpetual structure which is always in motion but which is always under control. I've chosen to illustrate this philosophy symbolically because this subject is so profound.
There is nothing random or accidental in the Universe or in all of Creation. If we can imagine a master clockmaker who has made all of the gears and wheels and parts to fit exactly and to engage and interact with all the other parts in the Universe, then we would have an idea of Creation and the "Creator".
If we could concept that the sum of Creation is both the parts of Creation and the "Creator" itself, then we would be expanding our minds and our consciousness.
The Creator is a student like we are, learning about “Itself”. If the Creator was perfect then “It” would have no purpose or reason to exist.

What do you think? Irwyn

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by itsallconnected on May 2nd, 2005, 10:04pm

Interesting... where did you gain this knowledge?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on May 3rd, 2005, 8:03pm

Hi itsallconnected
I'm with you and want to know where these revelations spring from?
On a side note I take it from your screen name that you see the interrelatedness of everything.
I also see the connections and have developed a theory that is a compilation of all the known evidence and ascribed activities of ufos and aliens. Perhaps you read my previous post. I would be interested in your thoughts and comments about my theory.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by itsallconnected on May 4th, 2005, 01:09am

Hello Woody. I theorize that all paranormal activity is connected. Aliens, ghosts, weird experiences, etc... I don't know about "them", being from the future, but I do believe they have time manipulaion capabilities. My assessment is that there is a good and bad side. Seems thats what the human race has always been taught. I think everything is infiltrated. Everything. Our military, our government, our society... with an evil (if thats what you call it) presence. Seems like our way of life is becoming more and more paranoid, and our government needs more and more control, to keep us safe.
I think ghosts are trying to tell us something. Not individually, but as a whole.

I don't know if these being's are alien's. I have had many sighting's and experiences, which made me believe their existence, but what the hell they are I just don't know. Interdemisional?

Deja vu. That's another one.
Yawn... need sleep. I'll try to think of a btter way to explain my theory. Sorry woody.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on May 4th, 2005, 09:35am

Reply to Woody and all; Much of what I am posting are excerpts from my first book entitled, "The Soul is a traveler in time". I am presently preparing a second book which will expand and explain the first book. I've been a professional psychic most of my life, and a lot of my information and belief system comes from my personal experiences with UFOs and Angels.

I'm not a researcher, neither am I a follower of any orthodox religion or accepted dogma or belief system. I believe in Angels and they have taught me and protected me from harm and death countless times.

What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on May 4th, 2005, 8:54pm

QUOTE:
Hello Woody. I theorize that all paranormal activity is connected. Aliens, ghosts, weird experiences, etc... I don't know about "them", being from the future, but I do believe they have time manipulaion capabilities.

Woody
That is were we agree I feel everything is related and connected to everything else. In fact it is the only true way to see the big picture and get closest to the truth. I feel the more one can connect things the clearer the picture becomes. Kind of like a jigsaw puzzle. Each piece is a single unit and whole unto its self. when placed with all the other pieces in the proper sequence then they form a larger more beautifully complete picture composed of thousand of others.

QUOTE:
My assessment is that there is a good and bad side. Seems thats what the human race has always been taught. I think everything is infiltrated. Everything. Our military, our government, our society... with an evil (if thats what you call it) presence. Seems like our way of life is becoming more and more paranoid, and our government needs more and more control, to keep us safe.

Woody
I also believe in good and evil as entities or forces. I have difficulty discussing religion or theology as it always leads to outrage or hurt feelings. I do however agree that the force of good and evil are prevalent and active in our lives every day. It is up to all of us to work to keep the good alive and strong. The force of evil can not win if there is still one good man.

QUOTE:
I think ghosts are trying to tell us something. Not individually, but as a whole.

Woody
Ghosts are just another aspect of the law of conservation of energy. God and the devil may also be just that. If the energy of our mental awareness survives the death of our bodies then the energy of this potential could have accumulated and aggregated and combined to form true self awareness. This is one explanation for god the devil and the haunting of ghosts.

QUOTE:
I don't know if these being's are alien's. I have had many sighting's and experiences, which made me believe their existence, but what the hell they are I just don't know. Interdemisional?
Deja vu. That's another one.
Yawn... need sleep. I'll try to think of a btter way to explain my theory. Sorry woody.

Well thanks for your comments I don’t know either but I think I am getting close. Hope you find the answers you seek.
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on May 6th, 2005, 08:38am

This Planet and the entire Solar System is undergoing a colossal change. This change is necessary in order to save this Planet and the Human Beings on it from extinction. This Planet has a very low vibration rate and is dragging the rest of the Solar System down.
We manufacture war and death and disease. None of the other life forms systems in our Universe do this. It is hard for us to understand that we are in a community of other Planets and of other life forms systems.
I've always felt claustrophobic and frustrated at the general thinking of our society. I do not believe that Adam and Eve started the human race. I believe that there were several experimental colonies of different color races existing at that same time.
I also believe that the Human Being has a link to outer space Worlds and that they are responsible for us. This would account for the UFOs monitoring us and at certain times intervening in the affairs of Man.
Our bodies were designed on a simian archetype in order for us to learn the lessons in an animal environment type world. Now we must go to the next higher level which is mental and angelic. This means that the frequency has to be turned up higher.
It will be a beautiful new World. The Human Beings will be able to control their environments, their health and even the time of their deaths. The mind will be much more powerful. The new race will be connected to a higher understanding of the purpose of their being and their relationship to their Creator and to other levels of existence.
It will be a separation of the true Human Being who is more angelic, from the animal Human Being who clings to physicality. The whole value system and concepts system of the Human race will be altered. The choice is coming soon. Which will you choose?
This is the way that we have to think; Creation and the Universe are multi-faceted and multi-structured and multi-inhabited by a diversity of Beings. Some of these Worlds and Dimensions are inhabited by physical Beings such as us. Others are inhabited by astral Beings and mental Beings and energy beings. There are higher frequency Dimensions which are the habitat of energy Beings who manifest as Angelss of Light.

What do you think? Irwyn

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on May 6th, 2005, 8:26pm

HI Irwyn

I must say that you have some interesting ideas and a unique understanding of reality. I personally have no problem believing you feel this is the true and only path to salvation but can not join you in this.
However I wish you well and hope you can find the truth that fills your need. I on the other hand will seek light and truth in my own way.
Thanks
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on May 13th, 2005, 11:12am

on May 6th, 2005, 8:26pm, woodgnome49 wrote:
HI Irwyn

I must say that you have some interesting ideas and a unique understanding of reality. I personally have no problem believing you feel this is the true and only path to salvation but can not join you in this.
However I wish you well and hope you can find the truth that fills your need. I on the other hand will seek light and truth in my own way. Thanks Woody


The subjects of angels, humans and extra terrestrials in the body and the spirt are not your average topic amongst the thousands upon thousands of forums across the Internet. Instead, they consist of personal individual experiences of which all of them will vary from person to person and many times continue for years and years and years such as timetraveler's.

My experiences are still young at only 9 years and 7 months but I think timetravelers are about 4 times that approximately, maybe even more.

My point is that ones experiences are their own. Beliefs are built upon those personal and individual experiences based on all the knowledge gathered over the many years during those experiences.

No one person could ever begin to fully believe or understand without at least receiving a portion of a similar experience to call their own. You might try to believe, but you'll really never know until you know.

We aren't here in this forum discussing recipes or politics, but rather individual, personal spiritual experiences with said. These are experiences that deal with the human spirit on a personal level.

Opinions are many times worth keeping to oneself because, once again, the subjects of angels, humans and extra terrestrials in the body and the spirt are not your average topic and such opinions are considered a vexation to the spirit. They are unwarranted simply because you don't know because you have never had such an experience.

I love discussion and I like opinions but I dislike reading comments about personal opinions regarding anothers experiences and beliefs.

oljack

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on May 14th, 2005, 10:50am

Thank you oljack for your posting.
When you have a personal psychic or spiritual experience it is very difficult for someone else to understand, unless they have had a similar type of experience.
When you have an experiences like this it is a different kind of reality. It makes this life reality seem like a dream, unreal. It is very painful and difficult to come back to this life when you have had a different dimensional experience. But you are forced to return here because your life is not over. Let me illustrate the difference between an OBE and a cosmic consciousness experience using my own real-life experience.
The most meaningful experience I've ever had was my cosmic consciousness experience as follows;


In 1956 [age 26]I just recovered from the flu, and I felt very weak and tired. At this time I was visiting my mother and she noticed my weak condition. She advised me to go lie down in a bed upstairs. I laid down on the bed upstairs, and I had the following dream or vision experience.

I appeared to have what started out as a dream in which I saw myself being pursued by an unknown invisible force and terrified I knew I must escape. I was running through backyards and back alleys and each time I came to a fence, I would climb over it and find myself in another backyard.
Finally I found myself in a gigantic courtyard completely different from the other backyards. The floor consisted of black and white marble squares set in a checkerboard pattern and at a great distance ahead on the far side of the courtyard, I saw a black wrought iron fence at least 12 feet high.

I started to walk across this courtyard, wondering how I was going to surmount the high fence at the other end. As I was almost in the center of this courtyard, I became aware of a gentle breeze blowing on me. As my "dream figure" stood there the breeze became a little stronger and more so until it was a wind, and then it became the strong wind of a hurricane.
I stood there confused not knowing the origin of this mysterious wind. The "dream figure" asked itself, where did this wind come from? This is not part of my dream. Then the strong wind knocked the "dream figure" down and I lay on my back in the dream unable to move. Then I was seized in the grip of a powerful magnetic force and I was slowly being pulled upward as if I was going up in an elevator toward the sky.

At this point I became aware of three separate states of consciousness. I saw the "dream figure" being drawn up into the sky, I saw my physical body lying on the bed, and I was aware of a higher entity overseeing this entire experience.
As I was resisting the pull of this magnetic force, I felt that my soul was being pulled out of my body and this would mean my physical death. I extended my arms both in the dream and in my physical body to ward off this magnetic pull.
When I was halfway between my bed and the sky an ecstatic feeling came over me, and permeated my entire body, mind, and soul. This feeling was a feeling of pure love. This love was so beautiful and pure that my total being realized that this force taking me up into the sky was the Creator taking my soul "home" to its source.

At this instant I reached up with my arms in the dream and in my physical body to draw me toward this beautiful ecstasy. At this time I had no thought of anything on this Earth, not my mother, father, family, or my friends. Only the overpowering joy of yielding to this supreme force.
Then, abruptly, there was the sharp metallic sound of a door latch being closed in the hallway. Instantly the dream figure stopped in midair. Then slowly and at the same rate of ascent, the "dream figure" began to descend as if it was in an elevator going down until it entered the physical body.
When the "dream figure" reentered my physical body, I heard very clearly a metallic sound like a heavy safe door being closed and this sound seem to come from the back of my head. I then realized that the "dream figure" had joined with the physical body and I was a whole person again.

During this entire experience, my entire physical body was paralyzed with a numbing and tingling sensation which is similar to when your foot "falls asleep". Slowly the tingling sensation began to wear off and soon I was able to wake and resume my normal physical movements.
I was never the same after this experience and my value system changed and I realized that there are many dimensions of reality and that living on earth in a physical body was only one dimension of reality.

What do you think? Irwyn

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on May 14th, 2005, 11:08am

fyi;

Nefertiti was the first "women's lib"advocate about 5000 years ago. She was co-ruler with Akhnaton and she many times performed the duties of a Pharoah while her husband was the "official" Pharoah. She also drove her own chariot and beat her husband in a race, which was against the accepted practices of ancient Egypt.

What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on May 14th, 2005, 11:22am

Not all of my psychic experiences have been serious. The Angels have a sense of humor.

I remembered a movie that I had seen called, "Bell, Book and Candle' which starred Kim Novak and Jack Lemmon. In this movie Jack Lemmon played the part of a warlock and I was jealous that he could turn off streetlights with his mind.

A few weeks later I was driving my car on the Belt Parkway in Brooklyn and I noticed that as I passed the streetlights they would go out and then go on again when I had gone about 50 yards. I was delighted and I was able to demonstrate this to my girlfriend. Talk about getting your wishes to come true!

What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on May 14th, 2005, 7:49pm

Okay timetraveler, was that girlfriend impressed or scared out of her wits? wink

I do understand the experience you just mentioned, very very well.

Thank you for sharing it.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on May 16th, 2005, 09:54am

My girlfriend at that time was a very materialistic and intellectual woman. She could not understand anything that was out of the ordinary. Thank God I never married her!!!
That experience showed me that my Angels were always on duty and that they were capable of responding to my thoughts. It is very comforting to realize that we are not alone and that we have Angels in attendance to protect us and help us and guide us!!!

What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by eagleyeuk on May 16th, 2005, 10:12am

interesting comment about your girlfrind, i married one she had lots of paranormal events, but to afraid to talk about them we have been through a lot toghether but she puts them aside and them dis -believes they happend in the first place its called being afraid and unwilling to except the truths no good to any one.- then reads here horoscopes and had physic readings never to ever believe in anything i say and never wants me to speak of such to anyone -poor me i married someone not on the same planet as me.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on May 16th, 2005, 10:36am

Some more of my psychic experiences;

I was working for the New York City comptroller's office as a claims examiner and my job included interviewing policemen regarding their accident reports.
I was interviewing a uniformed policeman one day and I stopped the interview and I said to him, "there is something strange about you. You are an undercover policeman working for the waterfront commission investigating policemen". He immediately got up and said to me," you have just blown my cover". He left the room and other policemen who were being interviewed gave him dirty looks.

While I was working at this same job I was having a conversation with other claims examiners and I was talking about my psychic experiences. One of these claims examiners whom I will call Morty challenged me and said that I was a fraud and demanded that I prove to him that I was psychic. This made me angry, and when I get angry my psychic powers become intensified.
I then told Morty," you were trained to be an assassin and you are an expert with plastic explosives."
He gave me a strange look and then he asked me to wait while he went to his locker to get something.
When he came back he showed me a certificate from the US Army that he was a certified sharpshooter sniper. He also showed me another certificate from the U.S. Army which stated that he was trained and qualified to handle plastic explosives.

I knew that Morty made trips to Israel every summer to visit his wife's relatives, which included her uncle who was the head of the Israeli Air Force. What I did not disclose at that time in front of the other claims examiners was the psychic realization that Morty was a courier for Mossad, the Israeli secret service and that his trips every summer involved working for Mossad.

The easiest people for me to analyze have been spies or criminals or people who have secrets or secret lives.
One day a former client of mine named Trudy returned from a vacation in England. She showed me a photograph of a balding middle-aged man named George and she told me that he was a professor of archaeology at a British university.
My specialty is analyzing photographs. I looked at this photograph and I told her that George had a secret life and that he was a decoding expert used by British intelligence in World War II. I also told her that he was dropped behind the enemy lines on a secret mission but he was captured and he revealed the names of the other people in his mission to the Nazis.

After I told Trudy this information she dropped the photograph and she was shocked. She told me that George had told her in strictest confidence that he had been a decoding expert for the British intelligence and that he was dropped behind the enemy lines and captured but that he had escaped.

Another time a woman came to me and showed me a photograph of a man whom she had had an affair with when she was vacationing in the Caribbean. I looked at this photograph and I said to her that this man came from a country behind the Iron Curtain and that he had stolen secret documents from the Russians and he was trying to sell these documents on the open market. I also told her that the British and the Chinese and the Russians were trying to retrieve these documents. She then told me that he had told her that he kept changing his location working as a croupier in gambling casinos and that his apartment had been broken into several times. I took this information to the CIA in New York City and I told them that this was a serious matter. I spoke to the head agent and he ridiculed me and told me that he did not need this information because they had resources of their own. It was the last time I contacted the CIA.

What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by TheDude on May 16th, 2005, 12:26pm

I've seen it too! This has flown above my house! It's 100% genuine! I was just in time to pick up my Canon 3.1 megapixel
camera! OMG do you believe it!!!!!!111

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As you can see there is one mothership, with such a strong magnetic field that it changes the color around it! I saw them leaving trough the blue wormhole! Wormholes arent round, but extruded square
! The hubble telescope was wrong after all!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on May 16th, 2005, 4:24pm

Thedude, thank you for that great photograph posting. How did you transfer the photograph onto this web site? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by duneguy on May 16th, 2005, 4:46pm

Great photo......... the clarity is amazing. I cant imagine the feeling to see that many ships so close to home ! shocked
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Isaw1again on May 16th, 2005, 9:50pm

I never saw a real picture that looked like that. The square looks like a cut and paste, not the wormhole it is supposed to be. And the three "UFOs" look unbelievable also. Your lack of a story going with this "real pic" to explain what you saw is the icing on the hoax. You asked "Do you believe it?" No I don't. undecided
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on May 16th, 2005, 10:56pm

on May 16th, 2005, 9:50pm, Isaw1in84 wrote:
I never saw a real picture that looked like that. The square looks like a cut and paste, not the wormhole it is supposed to be. And the three "UFOs" look unbelievable also. Your lack of a story going with this "real pic" to explain what you saw is the icing on the hoax. You asked "Do you believe it?" No I don't. undecided


That's just it, he was lacking text. The pix belongs to "Nickyout" at the Photobucket so that might answer quite a bit. Besides that, the glow tags are commonplace at Photobucket also. I say, naaaaaa.

oljack

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Isaw1again on May 16th, 2005, 11:01pm

Dude, do you know what we do to hoaxers here? We put 'em over a barrel and shocked and make 'em cry "No Daddy"
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on May 16th, 2005, 11:09pm

on May 16th, 2005, 11:01pm, Isaw1in84 wrote:
Dude, do you know what we do to hoaxers here? We put 'em over a barrel and shocked and make them cry "baaaaaaaaa"



Isaw1in84's in a parental mood tonight. LOL

oljack
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by TheDude on May 17th, 2005, 06:03am

Heh, heh. Sorry about that.

Maybe I can make it up to you guys by offering a quick

shocked shocked shocked'How to make a UFO sighting pic' tutorial,
without using photoshop! shocked shocked shocked

How about that??
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by itsallconnected on May 17th, 2005, 07:26am

phhhffttt.... yeah cause that's what we are interested in... making fake pic's of ufo's. Whatever...
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on May 17th, 2005, 09:33am



We can't take you up on that since it is a most serious problem in ufology. Designers of fake UFO's are a thorn in the sides of legitimate UFO sighters with pictures who have a tough time already proving themselves.

I do think that the forum at Photobucket is something they would enjoy however. There's some neat tips in there - even for posting pictures, tags etc.

http://forums.photobucket.com/index.php?

oljack

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by TheDude on May 17th, 2005, 4:04pm

Well, whaddaya know. Things started out as a bad joke done by three students after a day of hard working lipsrsealed and it actually ends beneficial to your forum. By the way you don't even need a tutorial to post pictures at forums. When you upload a picture, the IMG-tag you need at this forum will automatically be created. It'll just be a matter of copy-paste. As you can see, it works.

As you may have already guessed, the tutorial wasn't really aimed at creating real ufo sighting pics. It may be fun however to make a hoax as your original background picture! Whatever. I did enjoyed it.
User Image
Oh no! It's a real flying saucer! Copied a render from the internet, minimized in Paint, strected in Word!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on May 17th, 2005, 4:11pm



Yeah, and I see Jodi Foster talking to ET down there in Pensacola, Florida too. LOL

oljack
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Isaw1again on May 17th, 2005, 9:27pm

Well, at least Dude's not a sissy, he told the truth, and seems nice. Welcome to UFO Casebook Dude. I'm working on an Indy Sci-fi thriller/horror. Shooting in DV this summer, north of SF. We have something in common. There's cool stories here Dude, check it out. wink
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Einsteins_Spirit on Jul 4th, 2005, 09:40am

OLJACK,

I saw Drew Barrymore talk to ET once. ROFL

Come back from vacation soon I miss your posts terribly. I need my OLJACK fix. I am going through withdrawll. Its worse than trying to avoid ET or being addicted to drugs.

LOL have fun where the heck are you anyway?
Talk soon
Razor is the word and I miss you my freind.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Jul 4th, 2005, 2:36pm

Einstein I may have already asked this and you may have answered....are you in Indiana? What part? I lived there for nine years (Grissom AFB)
Interesting history of UFO reports from that area (some years back.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Einsteins_Spirit on Jul 4th, 2005, 4:29pm

I live in Bloomington home of indiana university, it is south of Grissom about 120 miles i believe.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by TheVoice on Jul 4th, 2005, 5:28pm

grinIndiana sounds a nice place, never been there but got close with.............R Dean Taylor "Indiana wants me" grin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Einsteins_Spirit on Jul 5th, 2005, 11:59am

It is pretty nice sir my town is cosmipolitan and contains almost anything you would ever need to be happy. We even have a gutenberg bible. As well as one of the largest research librarys in the world. And a 10000 acre lake with beach and resort hotels.I have a small boat and go fishing once in a while if you are ever here in the states look me up we will have fun fishing and talking and piggin out at all the resturants ROFL. Dont forget me if you come to states.

LOL i came back to edit I almost forgot to tell you my best freind here is a brit from london so you will not be alone if you ever visit. We have a blast most of the time.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Jul 5th, 2005, 1:35pm

Indiana has some really nice state parks as well. It is a nice place. I was ready to go after nine years. We knew Grissom was going to be closed as an active AF base, and that the repercussions would be bad for the small towns surrounding it. There was not so much available in those small towns for the families of the military member.
But I loved driving around in the fall, because the trees were so pretty. A lot of good people there too, and Einstein I am certain you are one of theose good ones.

I remeber back in the nineties reading about some UFO sitings in the Indy area where there was physical trace evidence. I never found out what the final results of investigation were though.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Einsteins_Spirit on Jul 5th, 2005, 3:00pm

There where and continue to be several sightings here and there around the state. One that I remember the most was one where a craft fired a beam weapon and killed a guys dog. And the guy that was with the guy that had the dog had lost time during the event. Another one i remember was a guy saw an alien looking being walking in the woods.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Jul 5th, 2005, 3:11pm

I can't remember the exact location, but it seems there was one with a craft either landing or being in close enough proximity to the ground that it destroyed the grass. There were some photos of it and a book with UFO sightings at the time had a story on it. I read the book while I was in England, so I am guessing this took place very late eighties or early nineties.
Just can't remember the name of the book even. It was a pretty interesting case. I will have to try to find it. I used to keep up with reading the reports from Indiana, but haven't done it for a few months. Sounds like there is still activity up there.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Einsteins_Spirit on Jul 5th, 2005, 6:28pm

There are quite a few.

http://www.hbccufo.org/videos/hoveringdiskvid.wmv

http://www.rense.com/politics6/disks.htm

http://ufocasebook.com/mtvernon.html

http://www.ufoinfo.com/roundup/v09/rnd0916.shtml

Here are some links to some of the interesting .
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by TheVoice on Jul 5th, 2005, 6:35pm

on Jul 5th, 2005, 11:59am, Einsteins_Spirit wrote:
It is pretty nice sir my town is cosmipolitan and contains almost anything you would ever need to be happy. We even have a gutenberg bible. As well as one of the largest research librarys in the world. And a 10000 acre lake with beach and resort hotels.I have a small boat and go fishing once in a while if you are ever here in the states look me up we will have fun fishing and talking and piggin out at all the resturants ROFL. Dont forget me if you come to states.

LOL i came back to edit I almost forgot to tell you my best freind here is a brit from london so you will not be alone if you ever visit. We have a blast most of the time.


If I ever get back to the States I'll most certainly look you up my friend, we can sit and chill out telling each other our life stories, but I'll probably bore you to death grin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Einsteins_Spirit on Jul 7th, 2005, 09:14am

Dear Barry,
Just a quick question what are your thoughts here.

http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html

A short yes or no will do if you dont have time to make long post.
The question is am i on to something here in regards to black triangle's?
Best Regards,
Dean
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by TheVoice on Jul 9th, 2005, 8:26pm

on Jul 7th, 2005, 09:14am, Einsteins_Spirit wrote:
Dear Barry,
Just a quick question what are your thoughts here.

http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html

A short yes or no will do if you dont have time to make long post.
The question is am i on to something here in regards to black triangle's?
Best Regards,
Dean


Very short answer, for now, you are getting there!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by TheVoice on Jul 11th, 2005, 6:30pm

coolLetting the cat out of the bag?, I will not be the first or only one saying this but the Americans do have fully operational anti-grav craft at their disposal!!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by TheVoice on Jul 11th, 2005, 6:33pm

The Lockheed SWP-30 'Firefly' triangular craft is one such example.................do some deep digging research you will find more!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Einsteins_Spirit on Jul 11th, 2005, 6:43pm

Thank you sir,
i suspected as much, perhaps i should have not ask the question but i was anxious to hear your thoughts. If we could convince them to release the technology I
believe it would be the answer to our energy crisis. I look forward to hearing more on this subject from you and will be watching your posts faithfully.
Best Regards,
Dean
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Dorky on Jul 14th, 2005, 3:51pm

on May 6th, 2005, 08:38am, timetraveler wrote:
This Planet and the entire Solar System is undergoing a colossal change. This change is necessary in order to save this Planet and the Human Beings on it from extinction. This Planet has a very low vibration rate and is dragging the rest of the Solar System down.


Great post... wink This is definately on my wavelength...!
Keep up the good posts... wink

ps, I liked the whole post but I edited it down to save space..!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Jul 14th, 2005, 10:43pm

Well Seti has done it again. On space.com there is an article by Seth Shostak (sp?) on UFO's. Bet you can't guess what he says about ufo's visiting our planet.....................
I just think ....well, nevermind what I think he has his perspective and that's it.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Greyhound on Aug 22nd, 2005, 5:14pm

wink Hi there, don't know if any one's going to reply to me cause this is the 1st time I've opened my mouth in here! But anyway, here it goes!!

Going back to 1995 I witnessed something that completley turned my reality upside down. I was 12 at the time and was staying with my parent's at a camp-site on the coast of Wales (UK). On the way back to the tent that night after a walk down the beach with the parent's, my brother and a friend, I had the strangest feeling that we had to go back to our house (around 30mins drive away) because I had a gut feeling that something real bad was going to happen if we didn't. My thoughts were along the paths of a fire in the tent!! So I persuaded everyone that we should go back to the house to sleep, not telling anyone about my gut feeling though.

On the way home, around 12:00 - 1:00am my father, who was driving pointed out what he said was a flair in the sky, a brilliant bright light of a golden colour. HOWEVER - this light continued to keep it's position in the sky, looking about five times the size and brightness of any star in the sky that night, for the 10mins until we got closer-we were heading in it's direction as this was the only road home. obviously we were all puzzled to what it could be!

As we drove up the stretch of road where it was over all I can remember is the five of us were completely gob smacked and to be perfectly honest, I was petrified! This object, to best of my memory was only around 25ft x 25ft and no more than 8ft high and a perfect compresed cube shape with slightly rounded edges. It was comlpetely black, didn't look like it was made of any metal and the only way we could see it was what I think I can remember as being four lights in its under corners of a red colour and lights then running in between these four lights, which were white in colour but flickering glimpses of every colour, like a crystal does in light. It was moving so slowly across the road (not along it) and was only around an estimate of 20ft above the car when we drove underneath it. My father opened the sun roof and slowed down his speed to about 10mph max before we drove under it and we all looked up at it. It was honestly crawling along at less speed than the car was doing, maybe 5mph max and there was absolutely no noise at all. It seemed to be moving towards the grass land to the left hand side of the road. We didn't see it land since we kept on driving, (which we all regret so much now!) since we were all scared stiff, apart from my mother believe it or not who wanted my father to turn around and go back but none of us males wanted to!

Sorry if I've bored anyone or if anyone thinks this is complete bull sh*t, but this is 100% the truth

I would appreciate it if any body could let me know if they have ever seen a similar object or ever heard any thing of this nature.

Cheers,
Greyhound
P.S. Hope someone replies!!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Aug 22nd, 2005, 8:47pm

Greyhound, although I have not seen that particular type of object, it is good that you decided to come in and post about it. It may be there are other members who have seen something similar. I am not sure. Did you look on the main casebook website for sightings of that description?
If anyone other member has seen something that fits the description that Greyhound listed, please jump in.
Thank you for sharing it with us Greyhound.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Aug 22nd, 2005, 9:04pm

I can't add to that but thanks also. wink

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Greyhound on Aug 24th, 2005, 05:54am

Thanks for the reply, I have had a brief look at the case book website but I will study it more to see if there are any similar objects previously reported.

Regards
Greyhound
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by blueyes on Aug 24th, 2005, 07:53am

Greyhound, found this for you

BLACK CUBE-SHAPED UFO
SPOTTED IN QUEENSLAND

Kingaroy, a town in central Queensland about
150 miles (240 kilometers) northwest of Brisbane,
is the site of Australia's newest UFO flap.
On Saturday, March 14, 1998, at 6:40 p.m.,
residents of Kingaroy reported seeing "bright white
lights" overhead and near the horizon.
Like clockwork, the mysterious lights returned
again each succeeding night--at 6:33 p.m. on
Sunday, March 15--at 6:26 p.m. on Monday,
March 16--and at 6:33 p.m. on Tuesday, March 17.
During the Tuesday, March 17, sighting,
Kingaroy people "reported sighting a rounded-edged,
black, cube-shaped object carrying a bright white
light...The black cube dropped the white light," which
fell to the ground. The UFO then "changed direction"
to the northwest, heading straight for Kingaroy.
The witnesses had the black cube in sight for
two minutes. "The object appeared to be moving faster
than a commercial jet. As the object travelled away, and
about the same time of the white light impacting the
ground, a loud rumbling sound was heard." (Many thanks
to Ross Dowe of the Australia/New Zealand National UFO
Hotline for this report.)

Also

UFO RATTLES A HOUSE IN LAVERNE, CALIFORNIA
http://www.rense.com/ufo3/amaz.htm

Theres many more, in google type in ufo cube

Deb
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Greyhound on Aug 28th, 2005, 4:59pm

Thanks for that Blue eyes, very similar characteristics of the craft and events. I will keep on looking!

Thanks very much for your help on that
Greyhound
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Sep 22nd, 2005, 4:03pm

merc, I am very interested in what you have hinted at but not said. Could you share your stories with this forum? I have shared many of my true experiences with this forum and my experiences have been really weird.

What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Sep 26th, 2005, 4:16pm

Merc, thank you for this interesting story. Some people like the manager cannot accept anything that they cannot understand. Their belief system and their lifestyles are threatened.
I am intrigued by the fact that all three apparently independently operated UFOs merged into one. I have seen this with Angels who appeared to me as individual "sparks" of high intensity energy "lights" and then merged into one "light". However, these were Angels from a higher frequency World and made of energy.
The UFOs that you witnessed were structures from an advanced technology. I believe that the UFOs attached themselves to each other by using their EMF field as magnets. They were not Angels.

What do you think? Irwyn
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by gusblake on Oct 1st, 2005, 8:44pm

Thats tough, better out than in I say Merc.

We will listen with repect.

Gus
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by UFOsam on Nov 7th, 2005, 1:06pm

Atrueoriginall i understand what you are saying fully and i know what you mean i think i may have encountered this myself but i am going to PM you with what i think can be explained as maybe reading to much alien and UFO Stuff i do not want to write this public i do not feel i can but i am going to PM you.

After all the minds of young people like myself are most at risk from this sort of thing.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by UFOsam on Nov 7th, 2005, 1:11pm

I have sent you the PM now Atrueoriginall .
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by UFOsam on Nov 11th, 2005, 06:55am

Nice site you have there. smiley
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Nov 11th, 2005, 5:40pm

Please check out my web page, "Angels,Ufos and Psychic" on ufocasebook forum. I have posted 19 postings of some very good stuff. thank you, Irwyn

What do you think? Irwyn
Alien Information Technology Research and Developm
Post by Razor on Nov 17th, 2005, 3:59pm

Source: http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/government_ufo_coverups/cosconpartof170012.html

The "Alien Information Technology Research and Development" (or AI-TRAD) Group., Box 5125., Colorado Springs, CO 80931), claims to have gathered massive amounts of information on subterranean bases, alien abductions, reptilians, and so on.

A representative of AI-TRAD claims to have been contacted by a 3-Star General who in confidence confessed to the govern- ment's cover-up of the UFO Phenomena. He was in fact approached by others in the Intelligence Community to assist in an "Awareness" program to help make alien contact palatable to the General Public, a program which was being initiated by a joint human-alien agenda. This 3-Star General however refused their overtures, concluding that not all aliens were benevolent and therefore it would be dangerous to instruct the masses to put their trust in alien forms such as the Grays when history has proven their malevolent nature.

The General, referred to by AI-TRAD only as "Bill", confirmed that thousands of children have been permanently abducted by aliens and have been used for various purposes which he considers horrifying, that proof of this was confirmed to an AI-TRAD member in the form of highly sensitive photographs of HUMAN CHILDREN REMAINS having been found in crashed disks (the AI-TRAD member was not allowed to possess or duplicate the photographs and documents the General showed him, since they were highly sensitive and they had to be returned to their source). The General stated that if word got out that the information had been leaked, it would be very likely that several people involved would be eliminated (Hold it!!! Were talking about little children being mutilated by the grays for God's sake. And the government would KILL those who are warning the public of this? What goes on here? Those who are making such policies of "elimination" might as well be reptilian infiltrators themselves who have positioned themselves in our government... hmmm, then again, maybe that's just what they are!? - Branton)

The information was obtained by the General from others in Intelligence who owed him old favors. He stated that if the cover- up which had been in effect since at least 1947 were to suddenly hit the news-stands, many officials now in the government would be forced by the people to leave office.

He stated that after he would not go along with the "Awareness" project which was designed to acclimate the masses into more or less accepting the GRAYS rather then rejecting them -- which would lead to fear and panic (something which the secret government did not want to take place), the others who were involved in the project shut him out and even interfered with his attempts to acquire further documentation. Apparently they were of the mind-set that the masses would react negatively to the fact that the government was NO LONGER IN CONTROL of many aspects of human life which the aliens had INFILTRATED. This sudden realization could lead to anarchy and an overthrow of the government, whether out of fear and panic or whether out of a mistrust of a government which had broken the Constitution and kept the truth from the people who had the right to know what was going on. Apparently these people felt that it would be better to sell out to, and make certain concessions with the aliens if it meant that these government officials could remain in power, and undoubtedly their financial interests were at stake, being that the U.S. Government was the employer of those who initiated the "Awareness" Project.

Some of the reasons the General could not in good con- science go along with the acclimation plans included his knowledge that the aliens have been manipulating our culture and human awareness for decades if not centuries, infiltrating our society, have tampered with our food, and even CREATED DISEASES to study on us (It is interesting that 'Commander X' has related an incident -- in one of his books published by Timothy Green Beckley's ABELARD Press -- of a man who was a member of a highly occultic masonic-like lodge, who warned of a possible connection between the Grays; secret Masonic- Witchcraft organizations; Ft. Detrick, Maryland; and the AIDS virus. Apparently this man had decided not to follow along with the 'agenda', and so ended up in a prison cell on trumped-up charges, possibly so that he could be kept out of the way of and not interfere with those within the lodges that still held to the 'agenda' - Branton)
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Razor on Nov 18th, 2005, 06:40am

Acronyms used by U.S. government agencies.

A2 - Air Force Intelligence

AAC - Alaskan Air Command

AAF - Army Air Force

ACOM - Asian Communist - One of NSA's 4 major operational divisions

ADC - Aerospace Defense Command

ADLA - Assistant Director for Legal & Legislative Affairs - (NSA)

ADPL - Assistant Director for Policy & Liason - (NSA)

ADPR - Assistant Director for Plans / Resources - (NSA)

ADT - Assistant Director for Training

ADVA - Advanced Soviet - One of the 4 major operational divisions of NSA's production organization: Combined with GENS into a group

AEC - Atomic Energy Commission

AFB - AIR FORCE BASE

AFESC - AIR FORCE ELECTRONIC SECURITY COMMAND

AFGWC - AIR FORCE GLOBAL WEATHER CONTROL

AFIS - AIR FORCE INTELLIGENCE SERVICE

AFOC - AIR FORCE OPERATIONS CENTER

AFR - AIR FORCE REGULATION

AFSA - ARMED FORCES SECURITY AGENCY

AFSAC - ARMED FORCES SECURITY AGENCY COUNCIL

AFSS - AIR FORCE SECURITY SERVICE

ALLO - ALL OTHERS- ONE OF THE 4 MAJOR OPERATIONAL DIVISIONS OF NSA'S PRODUCTION ORGANIZATION - NOW KNOWN AS G GROUP

ALP - ADVANCED LANGUAGE PROGRAM

AMB - AMBASSADOR

ANCIB - ARMY-NAVY COMMUNICATIONS INTELLIGENCE BOARD

ANCICC- ARMY-NAVY COMMUNICATIONS INTELLIGENCE COORDINATING COMMITTEE

ANG - AIR NATIONAL GUARD

APRO - AERIAL PHENOMENA RESEARCH

ARC - AD HOC REQUIREMENTS COMMITTEE

ARDF - AIRBORNE RADIO DIRECTION- FINDING

ARFCOS - ARMED FORCES COURIER SERVICE

ARPA - ADVANCED RESEARCH PROJECTS AGENCY

ASA - ARMY SECURITY AGENCY

ASD - APPLIED SCIENCE DIVISION (CIA)

AST - ATLANTIC STANDARD TIME

ATIC - AIR TECHNICAL INTELLIGENCE CENTER (AIR FORCE)

UFORC - UFO REPORTING CENTER

BMW - BOMB WING

UFOIS - UFO INFORMATION SERVICE

CAUS - CITIZENS AGAINST UFO SECRECY

CFS - CANADIAN FORCES STATION

CGS - COAST GUARD STATION

CIA - CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

CIC - COUNTER INTELLIGENCE CORPS CINC/NORAD - COMMANDER IN CHARGE, NORAD

CUFOS - CENTER FOR UFO STUDIES

COMINT - COMMUNICATIONS INTELLIGENCE (NSA)

CP - COMMAND POST

CSC - CENTRAL SECURITY CONTROL (AIR FORCE)

DATT - DEFENSE ATTACHE (US EMBASSY)

DCD - DOMESTIC COLLECTIONS DIVISION (CIA)

DCSOPS - DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF FOR OPERATIONS AND PLANS (AIR FORCE)

DDO - DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR OPERATIONS (AIR FORCE)

DIA - DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

DMZ - DEMILITARIZED ZONE (VIETNAM)

DO - DUTY OFFICER

FAA - FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION

FBI - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

FISA - FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE ACT

FOIA - FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT

G2 - ARMY INTELLIGENCE

GAO - GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING OFFICE

GCCS - GOVERNMENT CODE AND CYPHER SCHOOL

GCHQ - GOVERNMENT COMMUNICATIONS HEADQUARTERS

GCI - GROUND CONTROL INTERCEPT

GENS - GENERAL SOVIET - ONE OF THE 4 MAJOR OPERATIONAL DIVISIONS OF NSA'S PRODUCTION ORGANIZATION COMBINED WITH ADVA INTO (A GROUP)

GG - GOVERNMENT GRADE - USED IN PLACE OF GS1 TO GS18 - ONLY FOR GOV'T EMPLOYEES SUCH AS NSA EMPLOYEES

GMT - GREENWICH MEAN TIME

GSW - GROUND SAUCER WATCH

HFDF - HIGH FREQUENCY DIRECTION FINDING

HUAC - HOUSE UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIES COMMITTEE

HUMINT- HUMAN INTELLIGENCE

ICI - INTERAGENCY COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE

IDA-CRD - INSTITUTE FOR DEFENSE ANALYSIS-COMMUNICATIONS RESEARCH DIVISION

IDP - INTERCEPT DEPLOYMENT PLAN

IEC - INTELLIGENCE EVALUATION COMMITTEE

INSCOM - U.S. ARMY INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY COMMAND

INTELPOST - INTERNATIONAL ELECTRONIC POST

INTELSAT - INTERNATIONAL TELECOMMINCATIONS SATELLITE

INYSA - ASSISTANT CHIEF OF STAFF INTELLIGENCE, USAF, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY BRANCH, DIRECTORATE OF RESPONSE MANAGEMENT

INZ - AEROSPACE INTELLIGENCE DIVISION (AFIS)

INZA - EDITING, DEBRIEFING, AND CONTINUITY BRANCH (AFIS)

IPB - INTERCEPT PRIORITIES BOARD

JACL - JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL, LITIGATION DIVISION (USAF)

JANAP - JOINT ARMY NAVY AIR FORCE PUBLICATION

JCS - JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF

JOSAF - JOINT OPERATIONS SUPPORT ACTIVITY - FRANKFURT

JRC - JOINT RECONNAISSANCE CENTER

JSPC - JOINT SOBE PROCESSING CENTER

JTLS - JOINT TECHNICAL LANGUAGE SERVICE

KGB - KOMITET GOSUDARSTVENNOY BEZOPASNOSTI (COMMITTEE FOR STATE SECURITY) USSR

KISR - KUWAIT INSTITUTE FOR SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH

KM - KILOMETER

LASP - LOW ALTITUDE SURVEILLANCE PLATFORM

LCF - LAUNCH CONTROL FACILITY (AIR FORCE)

LOB - RAYMOND E. LINN OPERATIONS BUILDING

LPMEDLEY - CIA CRYPTONYM FOR AN OPERATION IN SUPPORT OF THE NSA

LRTS - LONG RANGE TECHNICAL

MI-8 - MILITARY INTELLIGENCE SECTION 8 - CODES AND CIPHERS SEARCH

MID - MILITARY INTELLIGENCE DIVISION

M5 - NSA OFFICE OF SECURITY

MIT - MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY

MPRO - MACHINE PROCESSING SECTION OF NSA'S PRODUCTION ORGANIZATION

MUFON - MUTUAL UFO NETWORK

NAVSPASUR - NAVAL SPACE SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM

NCOC - NATIONAL COMBAT OPERATIONS CENTER

NEPA - NUCLEAR ENERGY FOR THE PROPULSION OF AIRCRAFT

NICAP - NATIONAL INVESTIGATIONS COMMITTEE ON AERIAL PHENOMENA

NM - NAUTICAL MILE

NMCC - NATIONAL MILITARY COMMAND CENTER

NORAD - NORTH AMERICAN AEROSPACE DEFENSE COMMAND

NPIC - NATIONAL PHOTOGRAPHIC INTERPRETATION CENTER

NRL - NAVAL RESEARCH LABORATORY

NSA - NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY

NSF - NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION

OAM - OPERATION ANIMAL MUTILATION

ONI - OFFICE OF NAVAL INTELLIGENCE

OSI - OFFICE OF SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS (AIR FORCE)

OSI - OFFICE OF SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS (CIA)

OSS - OFFICE OF STRATEGIC SERVICES

PSAPR - PUGET SOUND AERIAL PHENOMENA RESEARCH INC.

RAPCOM - RADAR APPROACH COMMUNICATIONS

RAPCON - RADAR APPROACH CONTROL

RCMP - ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE

SA - SPECIAL AGENT

SAC - STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND

SAC/HO - STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND OFFICE OF HISTORY

SAFOI - SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE OFFICE OF INFORMATION

SAO - SMITHSONIAN ASTROPHYSICAL OBSERVATORY

SAT - SECURITY ALERT TEAM

SBI - SPECIAL BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION

SDS - STUDENTS FOR A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY

SIGLEX - SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP ON LEXICOGRAPHY

SIGNIT - SIGNALS INTELLIGENCE (NSA)

SIGTRAN - SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP ON TRANSLATION

SIGVOICE- SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP ON VOICE

SIPG - SPECIAL INTERCEPT PRIORITIES GROUP

SIS - SIGNAL INTELLIGENCE SERVICE

SOLIS - SIGNIT - ON LINE INTELLIGENCE SYSTEM

SPADATS - SPACE DETECTION AND TRACKING SYSTEM (NORAD)

SPS - SECURITY POLICE SQUADRON

SSA - SIGNAL SECURITY AGENCY

SSB - SOFT SUPPORT BUILDING (USAF)

TIA - TEMPERATURE INVERSION ANALYSIS

USAF - UNITED STATES AIR FORCE

USG - UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

Z - ZULU (UNIVERSAL TIME)

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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Razor on Nov 18th, 2005, 06:41am

TS/ORCON) (PROWORD): GRUDGE Contains 16 volumes of documented information collected from the beginning of the United States' investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) and Identified Alien Crafts (IAC). The Project was originally established in 1953, by order of President Eisenhower, under control of CIA and MAJI. In 1960, the Project's name was changed from Project SIGN to Project Aquarius. The Project was funded by CIA confidential funds (non-appropriated).

The Project assumed full responsibility for investigation and intelligence of UFOs/IACs Dec 1969 after Project Grudge/Blue Book was closed. The purpose of Project Aquarius was to collect all scientific, technological, medical and intelligence information from UFO/IAC sightings and contacts with alien life forms. This orderly file of collected information has been used to advance the United States' Space Program.

(TS/ORCON) The preceeding briefing is an historical account of the United States Government's investigation of Aerial Phenomenas, Recovered Alien Aircraft, and contacts with extra- terrestrial Life Forms.

TOP SECRET/MAJIC

THE PROJECTS UNDER PROJECT AQUARIUS

1. (TS/ORCON) PROJECT PLATO: (PROWORD: AQUARIUS) Originally established as part of Project SIGN in 1954. Its mission was to establish diplomatic relations with Aliens. This Project was successful when mutually acceptable terms were agreed upon. These terms involved the exchange of technology for secrecy of Alien presence and non interference in Alien affairs. Aliens agreed to provide MAJI with a list of human contacts on a periodic basis. This Project is continuing at a site in New Mexico.

2. (TS/ORCON) PROJECT SIGMA: (PROWORD: AQUARIUS) Originally established as part of Project SIGN in 1954. Became a separate project in 1976. Its mission was to establish communication with Aliens. This Project met with positive success (sic) when in 1959, the United States established primative communications with the Aliens.

On April 25, 1964, a USAF intelligence officer met with Aliens at Holloman AFB, New Mexico. The contact lasted for approximately three hours. After several attempted methods of communicating the intelligence officer managed to exchange basic information with the Aliens (Atch 7). This Project is continuing at a site in New Mexico.

3. (TS/ORCON) PROJECT REDLIGHT: (PROWORD GRUDGE) Originally established in 1954. Its mission was to test fly a recovered Alien aircraft. First attempts resulted in destruction of the craft and death of the pilot. This Project was resumed in 1972. This Project is continuing in Nevada.

4. (TS/ORCON) PROJECT SNOWBIRD: (PROWORD REDLIGHT) Originally established in 1954. Its mission was to develop, using conventional technology, and fly a flying saucer type craft for the public. This Project was successful when a craft was built and flown in front of the press. This Project was used to explain UFO sightings and to divert public attention from Project REDLIGHT.

TOP SECRET/MAJIC

MAJESTY--------The Proword for MAJI. The Proword for MAJESTIC TWELVE. The Proword for GRUDGE. MAJESTY is the only word on the cover sheet of the AQUARIUS document. It is plain that the executive decision makers are MAJESTY. MAJESTY is the name of all the efforts combined. On the executive level MAJESTY IS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE ALIENS AND EVERYTHING CONNECTED WITH THEM. The way intelligence and TOP SECRET information is protected accounts for the previous confusion regarding the control of this subject. Everything under MAJESTY is broken down into compartments and difficult to trace to a higher authority.

ALL information of important nature of any kind is handled in this manner and is designed to confuse those who would attempt to uncover the secret. MAJESTY IS THE WORD YOU ALL HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THAT TIES IT ALL TOGETHER.

MAJI-----------MAJESTIC AGENCY for JOINT INTELLIGENCE The TOP SECRET/MAJIC project control group responsible for EVERY ASPECT OF INTERFACE WITH THE ALIEN LIFE FORMS INCLUDING SECURITY & INTELLIGENCE, AND DISINFORMATION TO PREVENT PUBLIC OR FOREIGN DISCLOSURE OF THE ALIEN PRESENCE. MAJI IS RESPONSIBLE ONLY TO THE PRESIDENT. (THIS IS WHY ALL DOCUMENTS REFERRING TO "MAJESTIC" OR ANY OTHER FORM OF THAT NAME ARE WRONG.) MAJI IS ONGOING IN WASHINGTON DC.

MAJESTIC TWELVE-----A selected team of experts in many different fields who evaluate information, technology, biology and other facets of the alien presence in order to better understand the phenomenon. MAJESTIC TWELVE makes recommendations and presents scientific dirrection when needed. MAJESTIC TWELVE does not know all the information and does not meet as a group. Members are given information on a need to know basis only. Biologists, for example, are not given information regarding any other subject.

MAJIC----------SECURITY CLASSIFICATION OF ALL MAJI AND AQUARIUS INFORMATION. MAJIC MEANS "MAJI CONTROLLED". MAJIC IS THE HIGHEST SECURITY CLASSIFICATION IN THE NATION.

MJ-1-----------DIRECTOR OF MAJI. THE DIRECTOR OF THE CIA IS USUALLY MJ-1 AND REPORTS ONLY TO THE PRESIDENT. (OTHER MEMBERS OF MAJI ARE DESIGNATED MJ-2, MJ-3, MJ-4, etc. This is why MJ-12 CANNOT BE USED AS A NAME FOR THE CONTROL GROUP AS IT WOULD CAUSE CONFUSION IN MEANING, i.e. (IS IT REFERRING TO MJ-12 THE PERSON OR MJ-12 THE GROUP.) ANY REFFERENCE TO MJ-12 IS TO A PERSON AND NOTHING ELSE. (THIS IS WHY ANY DOCUMENT REFFERING TO "MJ-12" AS A "GROUP" IS WRONG.)

BLUE TEAM------THE FIRST PROJECT RESPONSIBLE FOR REACTION/RECOVERY OF DOWNED/CRASHED ALIEN CRAFT AND/OR ALIENS. THIS WAS AN AIR FORCE MATERIAL COMMAND PROJECT.

SIGN-----------THE SECOND PROJECT RESPONSIBLE FOR COLLECTION OF INTELLIGENCE AND DETERMINING WHETHER ALIEN PRESENCE CONSTITUTED A THREAT TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY. SIGN ABSORBED BLUE TEAM. THIS WAS AN AIR FORCE/CIA PROJECT.

GRUDGE---------THE OVERALL PROJECT WITH THE SAME MISSION AS SIGN. GRUDGE ABSORBED SIGN. GRUDGE IS THE PROWORD FOR AQUARIUS.

AQUARIUS-------THE THIRD AND FINAL PROJECT. AQUARIUS ABSORBED ALL PREVIOUS PROJECTS. FUNDED BY CIA CONFIDENTIAL NON APPROPRIATED FUNDS. THE PURPOSE OF PROJECT AQUARIUS IS TO COLLECT ALL SCIENTIFIC, TECHNOLOGICAL, MEDICAL AND INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION FROM UFO/IAC SIGHTINGS AND CONTACTS WITH ALIEN LIFE FORMS. THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING. This project began as an Air Force project under SIGN but was taken over by NSA. ALL PROJECTS CONNECTED WITH THE ALIENS ARE NOW INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY CONTROLLED.

SIGMA----------SIGMA WAS TASKED WITH COMMUNICATING WITH THE ALIENS. THIS OPERATION WAS SUCCESSFUL.

PLATO----------PLATO WAS ESTABLISHED TO FORM DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH THE ALIEN LIFE FORMS. THIS PROJECT WAS SUCCESSFUL. THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING.

POUNCE---------THIS PROJECT WAS FORMED TO RECOVER ALL DOWNED/CRASHED CRAFT AND ALIENS. THIS PROJECT PROVIDED COVER STORIES/OPERATIONS TO MASK TRUE ENDEAVOR WHEN NECCESSARY. COVERS WHICH HAVE BEEN USED: CRASHED EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT, CONSTRUCTION, MINING, ETC. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL. THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING.

PLUTO----------ESTABLISHED TO EVALUATE ALL UFO/IAC INFORMATION PERTAINING TO SPACE TECHNOLOGY. THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING. PLUTO IS THE PROWORD FOR POUNCE.

REDLIGHT-------MISSION WAS TO TEST FLY RECOVERED ALIEN CRAFT THIS PROJECT WAS POSTPONED AFTER EVERY ATTEMPT RESULTED IN DESTRUCTION OF THE CRAFT AND DEATH OF THE PILOTS. THIS PROJECT WAS CARRIED OUT AT AREA 51 IN NEVADA (GROOM LAKE), and some flights were performed at DREAMLAND. PROJECT REDLIGHT WAS RESUMED IN 1972. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN PARTIALLY SUCCESSFUL. UFO SIGHTINGS OF CRAFT ACCOMPANIED BY BLACK HELICOPTORS ARE PROJECT REDLIGHT ASSETS. THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING AT AREA 51 IN NEVADA.

SNOWBIRD-------Established as a COVER for Project REDLIGHT. A flying saucer "TYPE" craft was built using conventional technology. It was unvieled to the press and flown in public on several occassions. The purpose was to explain accidental sightings or disclosures of REDLIGHT as having been the SNOWBIRD craft. This was a very successful disinformation operation. This Project is only activated when needed. It has not been used for many years. This project is currently in mothballs until needed again. (This is another reason that Moore's information is fraudulent.)

LUNA-----------CODE NAME FOR THE ALIEN UNDERGROUND BASE. THE BASE IS ALIEN CONTROLLED AND DELTA/ALIEN PROTECTED. LUNA IS ONGOING IN NEW MEXICO. ALIEN DETACHMENTS EXIST AT DREAMLAND AND AT AREA 51.

FAR SIDE OF THE MOON ---- An alien base on the dark side of the moon where large machines were sighted by the Apollo Astronauts. It is believed to be a mining operation.

NRO------------NATIONAL RECON ORGANIZATION. BASED AT FORT CARSON, COLORADO. RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY FOR ALL ALIEN OR ALIEN CRAFT CONNECTED PROJECTS. USE UNMARKED BLACK HELICOPTORS. FOR ALL ALIEN OR ALIEN CRAFT CONNECTED ONGOING.

DELTA----------SECURITY TEAMS FROM NRO ESPECIALLY TRAINED TO PROVIDE ALIEN TASKED PROJECTS/LUNA SECURITY. (MEN IN BLACK) THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING.

GABRIEL--------THIS PROJECT WAS TASKED WITH DEVELOPING A LOW FREQUENCY PULSED SOUND GENERATOR. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE ALIEN WEAPONS AND CRAFT WOULD BE VULNERABLE TO THIS WEAPON. IT IS QUESTIONABLE WHETHER THIS PROJECT EXISTS TODAY. IT WAS DERIVED FROM TECHNOLOGY CAPTURED FROM GERMANY DURING AND AFTER WWII. My contacts have verified its previous existance but cannot verify whether it is ongoing or has been terminated.

EXCALIBUR------ESTABLISHED TO DEVELOP A WEAPON WHICH WOULD DESTROY THE ALIEN UNDERGROUND BASE AND ANY FUTURE UNDERGROUND BASES WHICH THE ALIENS MIGHT CONSTRUCT. IT IS TO BE A MISSILE CAPABLE OF PENETRATING 1000 METERS OF TUFA/HARD PACKED SOIL SUCH AS THAT FOUND IN NEW MEXICO WITH NO OPERATIONAL DAMAGE. MISSILE APPOGEE NOT TO EXCEED 30,000 FEET AGL IMPACT MUST NOT DEVIATE IN EXCESS OF 50 METERS FROM DESIGNATED TARGET. DEVICE WILL CARRY A 1 MEGATON NUCLEAR WARHEAD. THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING AT WX DIVISION, LANL, LOS ALAMOS, NEW MEXICO, AND IS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT.

Tall White ETs in Nellis Air Force Base,
Post by Razor on Nov 22nd, 2005, 07:25am

Source: http://www.alienshift.com/id98.html

Interview of Charles Hallll done by, Michael E. Salla, PhD

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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Vince on Nov 22nd, 2005, 1:42pm

Take a look at some of the video clips posted here.

http://www.vsocial.com/video/?l=438
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Merlin on Nov 22nd, 2005, 4:01pm

Hey VINCE welcome to the forum smiley

thats a very good clip did you take it?



Merlin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by UFOsam on Nov 22nd, 2005, 4:07pm

Hello Vince.
Nice clips. cool
Thanks! smiley
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Razor on Nov 26th, 2005, 12:42am

Disclosure

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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by blueyes on Nov 28th, 2005, 11:37am

Dean thankyou for this link, there seems to be a big turn occuring, I'm thrilled to read this and should be paying a little more attention.

Deb
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Globe on Dec 6th, 2005, 1:55pm

Can someone watch my video and see if there are some fake clip's there? (See link)
I have searched the web, and all of them are unexplained, as far as I know..
There are a movie of an real ET in there to. Many people have watched the hole clip with that ET, and many says it's real. Some say it's fake..

I don't know what to belive, since some of the ppl that sayd that it was real have been in contact with ET's.
He was almost crying, cos the alien was feeling ill.

And he didn't want to know where the clip was taken from. He was shocked that one of these movies was out.

Tell me what you think.

http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3L57Q96Y3912V2TNGQX6MVM1AW (86.5mb)

I can find more info on that ET if you guys want.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by skeptiknot on Jan 15th, 2006, 4:27pm

The evolution of the Unidentified Flying Objects through time:

1. (1940 - 1950) foo fighters or fire balls
2. (1950 - today) flyng saucers
3. (1960 - 1980) cigar/cylindrical shaped
4. (1985 - today) light balls, metalic balls
5. (1996 - today) rods
6. (2002 - today) flyng humanoids

someone can help me with the years??
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Ionu on Feb 4th, 2006, 9:00pm

Skept

2008-2017 morphing, transparent shapes (called "MISTs" for some reason)
2010-202? mental contact objects (generally scoffed)
2015-2026 transportation portals (abductees; also scoffed)
2015-2021 language devices for the human ear (claimed to abruptly converse with humans; scoffed)
2021-?_?? mind invaders (eventually realized as a reality since science-provoked; exact years unclear)
2033 first ever blatant, physical contact with alien race
2042 guided insterstellar travel for Earthlings (highly debated and protested by Christians; nevertheless...)

You're welcome.

Ionu


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by SaucerSpotter on Feb 6th, 2006, 8:38pm

TEXT

Hi everyone:

I am new to the forum. I will read over the archives
and see what is going on. I have many, many experiences dealing with UFO's and Aliens. I have been
a member of various forums, and have not been very
pleased with the quality of receptiveness on the part of
the general public. I hope this forum allows one to express his/herself in a more open manner without the
usual ridicule and divisiveness found on MOST forums,
but not all of course.

I have witnessed hundreds of UFO's over the last 50
years, and have been up close and personal on more
than one occasion. I have been abducted, probed and
examined on numerous nights. I have scoop marks,
implants, and other oddities. I have met the Greys,
the Nordics and others as well.

I believe, with thousands, if not millions of us "coming
out of the closet" about our experiences, the
strangeness will eventually make sense to all, at least
to we, the lucky ones who have been subjected to this
type of violation by our "visitors" without impunity.

It is time to quit squabling over whether UFO's are "real"
or not and to accept the fact that we are indeed being
scrutinized under the Alien microscope.

I believe our world governments and the PTB are in
cahoots with these Aliens and there isn't a thing we can
do about it. The governments are allowing these shenanigans to occur because of the exchange of technology and science. We the public, are allowed to
be stolen in the middle of the night for whatever sinister
purpose the Aliens have on their agenda.

I hope to be able to post further insight as to what is
going on under our noses on a daily basis.

Thank you,

SaucerSpotter

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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Feb 6th, 2006, 8:50pm



Welcome SaucerSpotter. There's more then a few in here who have sighted multiple sightings. You'll like this place.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Feb 6th, 2006, 8:59pm

welcome saucerspotter! there are great pics of ufos by some of our members on here. would like to see some of yours if you were able to catch them on film, and am interested in your experiences. welcome aboard.
qoh
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Feb 7th, 2006, 2:59pm

SS, welcome to the forum. We appreciate open and inquiring minds. I agree with you that we should begin with the premise that UFOs are real and that they exist.
The next inquiry should be where they come from, and what do they want?
Don't be sidetracked by any government involvement because we are dealing apparently with interdimensional, more highly advanced beings who are probably using time travel. Compared to them we are primates who are still struggling with rocket technology for space exploration,duh.

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Feb 7th, 2006, 4:15pm

Welcome Saucerspotter. I enjoyed your post and look forward to hearing from you again.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by SaucerSpotter on Feb 7th, 2006, 5:37pm

Thanks to all who wished me a welcome. I hope to
be able to contribute to the cause. I really haven't
had time to look over the archives as of yet, but I
will see what I have been missing.
Thanks again for the welcome.
SaucerSpotter
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by roman on Feb 8th, 2006, 10:39am

Welcome SS looking forward to your posts. roman
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by CelestianFalcon on Feb 9th, 2006, 7:38pm

SaucerSpotter:

I'm a new abductee here too. Man I don't know how many countless others there must be of abduction victims who think and feel what you describe.

Alien abductions are such a senstative matter and I appreciate you sharing with us what you can. But to me these are not monsters, they are not your government as many believe. They are imposters and they are aliens. Yes, they imposterize our government but not just to hide from us but to merge a gap between them. The phases of scientific testings and alien abductions are only concurrent to the big deal.

I don't think MiBs are really our government. I don't even think they are real at all. They are images of holograms that portray our government leading us to believe it is them either so we might trust them more or we might keep silent about the alien conspiracy to abduct people.

You are probably right when you say our governments are at kahoots with the aliens.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by SaucerSpotter on Feb 9th, 2006, 8:25pm

Celestian Falcon

I agree with all that you say except for one thing.
You mentioned the MIB and that they are probably
just Holograms. First, the MIB's have been around
since the early 60's and maybe even before that.
I don't think holograms were even thought of back
then. I may be wrong, but If I'm not, then what?
Could it be they are for real?

My personal opoinion is they are sort of 1/3 human,
1/3 Alien, 1/3 mechanical robot type. And not so smart
on top of that. They have been reported to wear odd
clothing, such as not knowing which foot to put their
shoes on, and different colored socks, shirts buttoned
up wrong, and a lot of other oddities. They have also
been reported to "unwind" as if their batteries run
down. They then have to get up and go back to where
ever they come from. Their speech is hosed up at times as if they can't get their brains to engage.I think they are a weird lot. They have been known to say very odd
things to people they are supposedly interviewing or
"warning off". They will suddenly say something sexual to the wife of a couple they are visiting. Who would do
this? It is as if they are not very learned on Earthly ways.

I could go on and on about the MIB's, but I don't want
to bore anyone with things you probably already know about the so-called MIB's.

And the part about them driving old 50's and 60's style
cars such as big Cadillacs and Lincoln Continentals, etc.
What is with that? Can't the prople they work for provide a beemer or Mercedez? You would think they are
being paid big bucks by the big dogs to scare us off.

I think nowadays, they, the boogiemen, are more human
and possibly military types. The MIB's have disappeared
for the most part. This is just my opinion of course, and
that is all it is, an opinion,as I don't know positively
of these creepy guys anymore than anyone else.

SaucerSpotter


































Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Ashiana24 on Feb 9th, 2006, 8:43pm

Saucerspotter wrote

"My personal opoinion is they are sort of 1/3 human,
1/3 Alien, 1/3 mechanical robot type. And not so smart
on top of that."

I very much agree with you.

"And the part about them driving old 50's and 60's style
cars such as big Cadillacs and Lincoln Continentals, etc.
What is with that? Can't the prople they work for provide a beemer or Mercedez? You would think they are
being paid big bucks by the big dogs to scare us off."

Or I wonder since the aliens are so famous for their "scenarios", maybe they create these kinds of vehicles to make us think they're working for the CIA or through the military. As hard as they try, they don't quite make it as humans though. They seem more related to the Zombie types.

~ Ashiana

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by CelestianFalcon on Feb 12th, 2006, 2:57pm

SS:

It was in 1952 that UFOs invaded over the White House. It was also around this time that the first MiBs began being reported. I am not saying that MiBs are our government and that our government is using holograms to use as human figures and to target people. I am saying that the aliens have an imaging devise that can perform holograpphic figures such as MiBs and the invisible cars they drive away to vannish in. This is why MiBs may appear and suddenly dissapear, because they are holograms made by the aliens.

I have heard recently that our government now has ET holographic technology to use for military weapons and mind control.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Feb 13th, 2006, 2:43pm

I try to raise my level of understanding by not looking at UFOs with the eyes of a scientist or UFO researcher, but with the eyes and mind of an ET. When I attempt this and I compare our present day science and technology to the UFO technology, then I am forced to agree with Darwin, that we came from monkey's and that our minds do not move very far from the tree.

It is ludicrous to me when astrophysicists and scientists and mathematicians attempt to understand and explain UFOs and ETs by using present-day logic and scientific formula. Dream on McDuff!

What do you think? Irwyn grin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by CelestianFalcon on Feb 17th, 2006, 06:28am

timetraveler:

In 1952, holograms was not present day technology. What i truly think and from what I have seen -- UFOs are designed for humans and aliens to fly in. They share a common inherit gene trait and are a compatible species. While monkey may come from earth man is still a mystery. The Darwin theory has been proven wrong by archeologits and found man precedes monkeys by at least 100,000 years.

What i think to all this is that the government has captured UFOs and reverse engineered them because it might be feasable to do so if we are in fact the compatible species that ET says we are.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by CelestianFalcon on Feb 17th, 2006, 06:50am

timetraveler:

You do however, make a good point to note that scientists alone could not just reverse engineer alien space crafts. We are a assimulated race as humans. Because of this, many UFO witnesses who were women began talking about a long needle being inserted into them in their abductions by aliens. It was because of the accumulated reports that the optical needle was invented largely due to the witnesses who could describe it.

I am the same type of witness when it comes to a working UFO and the information I have given science allows them to reverse engineer the crafts with a greaater understanding of how they work. I have submitted my drawings to numerous private engineer companies who say it is feasible but the project is too large. Perhaps too large for NASA even? It would take our government to build such a alien space craft and that is exactly what they have done, or are doing as we exchange info here.

This does not mean that communication with ET has failed or that the 1989 alien video is a fake. What the government has exchanged from ET would blow your minds! Time travel devises, implant tracking chips, biological laser impulse devises.... What the government has found about ET through making contact is extrordinary and what the credible ufologists in science have to report and say on EBEs as being biological machines is also extrordinary.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Ashiana24 on Feb 17th, 2006, 2:53pm

Good Afternoon, Celestian:

I wrote a thread a while ago called "Project Blue Beam." It talks about the belief that in the future the government will use this laser holography to deceive the masses by projecting images in the sky that are not really physical.

http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi

~ Ashiana
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by CelestianFalcon on Feb 18th, 2006, 9:00pm

Ashiana24:

Yes, I met another person from Pensacola Florida where we shared the same types of alien encounters. In our researches to find out what was going on we discovered "Project Blue Beam." Probably taken from ET technology in exchange for abducting people and cattle mutilations.

http://atlanta.indymedia.org/newswire/display/3246/index.php
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Ashiana24 on Feb 18th, 2006, 9:36pm

Yes, Celestian, that's what I also highly suspect.

~ Ashiana
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Feb 23rd, 2006, 6:46pm

This is an excerpt from my second book.

Ever since 1946 I have had an irrational fear of a steel needle being inserted into my naval. There is a possible explanation which might be a connection to the time that I first began to experience this fear.
In 1946 when I was 16 years old I cut classes and hitchhiked with two of my friends in a car that had a rumble seat in the rear, which was common at that time, and which was driven by a young man in his early 20s. We three sat in the rumble seat. After we had been driven a short distance the driver threatened us by announcing that he would kill us and at this time my two friends jumped out of the car
I climbed onto the rear of the rumble seat poised to jump, but as I hesitated to jump, the car increased speed to about 50 mph. I was abruptly ejected from the rumble seat when it made a sharp turn and I was thrown onto the black asphalt highway. When I landed my head struck the roadway. I remember the intense pain when my head was lifted from the pavement and my hair was sticking to a small pool of my blood. I was admitted to Beth El hospital in Brooklyn in a coma in critical condition with a head fracture.
While I was recovering in this hospital in a semi- conscious state I saw many shadowy visitors enter my room. When I regained full consciousness I told my mother about my many visitors and she told me that nobody had visited me during that crisis time. Who or what were these shadowy visitors, I wondered?
When I left the hospital and went home I had the fear of a steel needle being inserted in my naval and this fear has lasted up to the present time. Is there a connection between this particular fear and the shadowy visitors who came into my hospital room? [Note; it was many years later that Betty Hill, the famous UFO abductee described a steel needle being inserted into her navel by ETs]

What do you think? Irwyn cool

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Feb 23rd, 2006, 8:10pm

It's odd that you bring this up Timetraveler. For many years now (and I'm 53), right behind the navel occasionally I feel like there is something there. Also, at the same time that I feel this I feel nauseous. It's an odd feeling and not assocated with foods or an illness. When ever I would get nausea I would just put my hand on that spot, think about the spot with my mind and the nausea would immediately disappear.

I have a fear of a needle in my eyes though. I can't let anyone near my eyes. I remember getting my first pair of contacts when I was 19 and the doc tried to put them in. Huh! No way. Everytime he tried I just scooted further down into the seat to the point where I was eventally off of the seat. I told him the only way that this was going to happen was if I did it myself - and I did.

I don't question the eye or the navel thing whatsoever. I know.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Easternbluestar on Feb 24th, 2006, 2:47pm

I wonder how often things are in the skies right above us, and we do not as a rule spend that much time looking above us. Often we look ahead of us, and the sky is obscure from our view, all but the moments we are outside and look into the air. Often it takes a noise in the air, or in the case of night time, a light to move to catch our attention. How many crafts are actually being "missed" simply because people are not looking into the skies? I bet the number would be staggering.

When I was a young lad, I can recall many of the local fisherman that went out to sea, talking about the strange flying saucers they would see flying in the middle of the night (they meant hours like between 12am to 4am) in their context of speach.

I grew up very near to where the Shag Harbour incident took place back in 1967ish. I recall all the people who saw the strange lights in the sky before they fell into the sea. Some of the best witnesses were RCMP officers, who in the scheme of witnesses, would be the most reliable if a media crew were going to put weight on witness reports.

At that time, there were Radar monitoring stations and underwater survieliance stations operated by both the Canadian and US military in a joint operations in the area where this craft went down. There were also rumours that a craft was actually located underwater near this geographical area, but the people who were privy to the information, were sworn to secrecy and could face maximium penalites for revealing the truth, so went the rumours in the local area.

If these aliens are flying around us, surely they are visiting us too. They may have camrouflage techniques outside of our range of five senses, much like we as humans hunt animals and put tracking devices in them and monitor them in their habitat.

Are we being watched? Why do we have social insurance numbers? Big brother is keeping an eye on every single citizen, and what we cherish as true freedoms are nothing more than an illusion, as go try walking across a border to another country. They will certainly ask for an ID and if your identity does not come up on a data base, then they will be held for many questions.

Often, some of the so called Bermuda triangle near misses, you hear pilots talk about missing time, aircraft travelling for hours and not making any progress in mleage etc. There are many mysteries on this planet, and the answers in solving them could actually be stranger than science fiction.

Just a few thoughts that I wanted to share today as I rant about this topic.

Take care all
Easternbluestar
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Ashiana24 on Feb 26th, 2006, 3:18pm

Good Afternoon, Paul smiley

"If these aliens are flying around us, surely they are visiting us too. They may have camrouflage techniques outside of our range of five senses"

I do think they have a cloaking device that prevents them from being seen sometimes, AND by being seen by only certain people at a time.

"Are we being watched?" I think we are being watched, if not by local governments then by the aliens themselves. I saw a report on TV that asked the question "Do you know how many times a day you're being watched?" Well, they said several times a day; when you go to the supermarket, when you stop at a stop light, when you go to the bank, and from what I've read you can be watched by aliens and not even know it. I know this is a scary thought but if this is true, then you could be cooking in the kitchen and an alien could be sitting on the counter watching you. As I told someone in a forum once, we don't have any privacy.

And you are right; the answers in solving the mysteries of the world ARE both stranger than science fiction and scarier than a horror movie.

~ Ashiana
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Mar 1st, 2006, 6:41pm

CF, although I enjoy your postings, I beg to differ with you on several points.
1. I do not believe that UFOs are designed for humans.
2. I do not have any faith in reverse engineering simulating the propulsion system of the UFO.
3. I believe that our bodies were constructed by Saurians and that we were designed to be animals and not ETs. However, our souls were created by the creator and therefore, our essence or spirit is angelic.
4. As a psychic, I am aware that UFOs are inter-dimensional so I am not too interested in what shape they are, or their size. Therefore, I do not look for them in the sky but I am aware of them interacting with me psychically and mentally and spiritually. Thank you for allowing me to express my thoughts.
p.s. why was a steel needle inserted into my belly button if I am a male?
What do you think? Irwyn cool

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by beebee on Mar 2nd, 2006, 8:01pm

I am watching a show about a ufo over Illinois. At about the time these sightings took place, I lived in Atwood, Il.

There was a huge craft that flew over that was the same size and shape as one of the officers on the show described but two things were different: There were no lights on the craft and the noise was horrendous. It was an extremely low "roar" that could be felt in the bones, kind of like the hyperbass the kids have in their cars except coming from overhead. It shook the whole house and the windows vibrated to the point I thought they would blow out. It was about 2am when the "rumble" began, from far away. And it seemed like it took hours for it to get to where I was. But it was probably only about 5 minutes.

As amazing as this was, it was even more amazing, to me, that no one ever spoke about it. There is no way that I was the only one to hear or see it. It woke me - a sound sleeper - and the whole house shook for several minutes.

I actually heard it again, several weeks after that. But did not get up to look.

I've only ever told one other person about this. But not because of the "alien" thing. The idea of aliens doesn't frighten me, at all. But I have the feeling this is the result of human endeavors. And the idea of people with the power such a covert feat would require, horrifies me.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by TurkeyTom on Mar 4th, 2006, 10:34am

Would you kindly explain why the Billy Meier case has been totally censored from this site. This is the only open contact with et case. He has over 1000 color photos, 100 tested by JPL labs., cine film, metal fragments analysed by IBM senior scientist, Marcel Vogel, and sound recordings. Also there are 1600 pages of contact notes published by W Stevens USAF Intel. Rtd. of conversations with various Plejaran and other ets. Signed Retired Airline Training Captain with multiple sightings and extensive contact with the Meier people. see theyfly.com. billymeier.com. (Hope my query is not censored, otherwise one must suspect an ulterior motive on this site.)
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Merlin on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:11pm

what exactly are you saying Tom?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Mar 4th, 2006, 1:37pm

on Mar 4th, 2006, 10:34am, TurkeyTom wrote:
Would you kindly explain why the Billy Meier case has been totally censored from this site. This is the only open contact with et case. He has over 1000 color photos, 100 tested by JPL labs., cine film, metal fragments analysed by IBM senior scientist, Marcel Vogel, and sound recordings. Also there are 1600 pages of contact notes published by W Stevens USAF Intel. Rtd. of conversations with various Plejaran and other ets. Signed Retired Airline Training Captain with multiple sightings and extensive contact with the Meier people. see theyfly.com. billymeier.com. (Hope my query is not censored, otherwise one must suspect an ulterior motive on this site.)


Well, don't go getting paranoid on us now. There is plenty on Meier here in the forum. The forum is a big place.

Here are 6 addresses in the UFO Casebook on Meier that I found and there is plenty more where that came from.


http://www.ufocasebook.com/billymeier.html - 12k - 2004-02-13
http://www.ufocasebook.com/meiervindicated.html - 15k - 2003-12-11
http://www.ufocasebook.com/mpegvideo.html - 12k - 2004-11-14
http://www.ufocasebook.com/casefiles.html - 80k - 2004-11-26
http://www.ufocasebook.com/documents2.html - 103k - 2004-11-23
http://www.ufocasebook.com/Audio.html - 14k - 2003-07-17
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Mar 26th, 2006, 8:41pm

Ooh, I hadn't seen those.

Side note on the Pheonix Lights vid - the military explained it as an experiment they were doing, saying those are some kind of flares being released. Wish I remembered the details, but it was a valid enough excuse.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hetro on Apr 19th, 2006, 05:22am

Merlin - Zoo theory

I have also come to similar conclusions in the past but then if you think about it, look how far us mere humans have come with D.N.A. experiments in 50 or so years, we have unravelled the human Genome and are starting to grow new organs and can catch criminals decades after a murder if her was carless enough to leave a single hair at the scene of the crime.
In other words dont you thing its taking E.T. a little too long to conduct their tests - millions of years, I think there must be another reason other than biological experiments alone.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Apr 19th, 2006, 07:53am

on Apr 19th, 2006, 05:22am, hetro wrote:
Merlin - Zoo theory

I have also come to similar conclusions in the past but then if you think about it, look how far us mere humans have come with D.N.A. experiments in 50 or so years, we have unravelled the human Genome and are starting to grow new organs and can catch criminals decades after a murder if her was carless enough to leave a single hair at the scene of the crime.
In other words dont you thing its taking E.T. a little too long to conduct their tests - millions of years, I think there must be another reason other than biological experiments alone.


on Apr 19th, 2006, 05:22am, hetro wrote:
Merlin - Zoo theory

I have also come to similar conclusions in the past but then if you think about it, look how far us mere humans have come with D.N.A. experiments in 50 or so years, we have unravelled the human Genome and are starting to grow new organs and can catch criminals decades after a murder if her was carless enough to leave a single hair at the scene of the crime.
In other words dont you thing its taking E.T. a little too long to conduct their tests - millions of years, I think there must be another reason other than biological experiments alone.


True, true. This is why I don't think it's just experiments alone either. There are more then just biological experiments as well, but just the same, they already know us better then we know ourselves, so the reason they are here must be outside the box.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Apr 19th, 2006, 3:41pm

This is my reply to several different postings.
1. Some of you are very impressed with the progress that science has made in the last 50 years, especially in the area of DNA and genomes. Did it ever occur to you that ETs are influencing our science and technology to accelerate our civilization? Have you considered that the greatest advancements in the past 50 years have not been in medicine, but in military technology and weaponry? 2. Do you believe the Air Force when they say that UFO sightings are military flares? [I can sell you the Brooklyn Bridge at a very low price!] 3. When you say that we are being "watched", do you recall the posted reports of hands coming out of "thin air" to try to grab civilians? Don't you realize that we coexist with other extra dimensional beings who can observe us and interact with us, but we cannot see them? Let us try to expand our thinking and imaginations in order to comprehend other dimensional entities.

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hetro on Apr 26th, 2006, 05:05am

we have came along way in the military yes, mainly because of the cold war, are you suggesting that the well known stand off (usa, ussr) was controlled by an alien intelligence?? what benefit would an irradiated planet be with some deformed human survivors be to the aliens?? Ok it did'nt actually happen, but were they standing by to shoot down the volleys of ICBMs at the outbreak of a global nuclear war?? I think not.

A great deal of progress has been made by the human race by the invention of money, which drives people to work harder and to think of better ideas, mainly to look after No.1 and give yourself and familiy a better quality of life, how far would we be now without money?? Another ET invention?? please.


I still think ET is here to plunder us in some way and doesnt really give a dam about our politics or whether they are seen, why come to earth and fly around at night as a glowing ball of light?? Probably because they dont care about being seen. Why no landing on the white house lawn?? because that benefit us not ET.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by starman on May 17th, 2006, 4:41pm

on Apr 26th, 2006, 05:05am, hetro wrote:
we have came along way in the military yes, mainly because of the cold war, are you suggesting that the well known stand off (usa, ussr) was controlled by an alien intelligence?? what benefit would an irradiated planet be with some deformed human survivors be to the aliens?? Ok it did'nt actually happen, but were they standing by to shoot down the volleys of ICBMs at the outbreak of a global nuclear war?? I think not.


My personal opinion on the last bit. There would be no need for shooting on their behalf if it came down to it. We play with toys we are ill-equipped to be in possession of.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on May 17th, 2006, 9:25pm

Quote:
we have came along way in the military yes, mainly because of the cold war, are you suggesting that the well known stand off (usa, ussr) was controlled by an alien intelligence?? what benefit would an irradiated planet be with some deformed human survivors be to the aliens?? Ok it did'nt actually happen, but were they standing by to shoot down the volleys of ICBMs at the outbreak of a global nuclear war?? I think not.

A great deal of progress has been made by the human race by the invention of money, which drives people to work harder and to think of better ideas, mainly to look after No.1 and give yourself and familiy a better quality of life, how far would we be now without money?? Another ET invention?? please.


I still think ET is here to plunder us in some way and doesnt really give a dam about our politics or whether they are seen, why come to earth and fly around at night as a glowing ball of light?? Probably because they dont care about being seen. Why no landing on the white house lawn?? because that benefit us not ET.




Military applications are always the first to be funded. That's by any government not just the US. Period. So it's not surprising to see technical advances made there first. Follow the money you speak of and it will reveal the truth.

But I differ with you about the plundering. Whatever they want, they can take now. But they may be using us in some capacity which would be compromised if were to be widely known perhaps. My favorite theory is that they are us. Or they represent us in the future by having been produced by our offspring and sent back in time to "make corrections" to the gene pool. The possibility of time travel is getting more and more support from the physicists who ponder these things. I would wager there is work being done at this very instant on it.

HJ


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on May 18th, 2006, 09:26am

HJ; this is a reply to this several postings, including yours. My postings are not political or favoring any particular country, or any ideology. I try to see the big picture and avoid stepping into the quagmire of belief systems. I am trying to answer the questions of who we are, where we came from, who created us and most important, who or what is directing the human race. These basic questions, as well as time travel is addressed in my latest book," Other Dimensions of Reality", but this is an unpublished manuscript at this time and I cannot reveal this information. Once I have this book published, it will be my pleasure to share exempts with this forum. I am interested in understanding the reason for my existence and my relationship to the rest of Creation.

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by henrytb on Jun 11th, 2006, 12:54pm

I am curious about UFO and the universe.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 12th, 2006, 10:03am

Welcome new members. In order to understand the UFOs mystery as well as the mysteries of creation and existence itself, we need to raise our consciousness level and to learn to think in an abstract type of quantum physics logic. Whatever we have learned in the physical sciences will not help us. We have to consider that some of these UFOs are other dimensional, and not from physical planets or physical solar system worlds. Therefore, they are not subject to limitations of our physical world.

Are you ready to give up your scientific teachings and your knowledge of physics? Can you comprehend the interrelation of different dimensional worlds and beings with us? Can you learn this new higher dimensional logic?

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 12th, 2006, 11:35am

Interesting how we'd have to quit thinking to believe dimension theories.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 12th, 2006, 1:08pm

How does one start to transfer over from 3D thinking to interdimensional thinking? I need a clue.

And does that mean that anyone who does not think interdimensionally will not see aliens from other dimensions....and will see only those from a 3D world?

I'm kinda new at this type of thinking, although I do believe in telepathy and channeling....but I can't seem to understand how I would be able to see an alien, or even an angel, who is from another dimension.

I know I sound like a first grader when talking about this, but if I could just get a clue how to start, I think I could get somewhere.

The alien interview that I saw on video......is that real? Is it from another 3D world? Is it something from another dimension? I have so many questions.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 13th, 2006, 4:44pm

I am happy that you have questions. That is a sign of intelligence. I have been a psychic all of my life [76 years] and I have been blessed to communicate with Angels and UFOs. It is very important to realize that you can't compare Angels or UFO's to human beings. It is ridiculous to measure the flight characteristics of UFOs in comparison with our aircraft. It is equally moronic to insist that UFOs have to come from a planet or a solar system. Can you comprehend that Angels are other dimensional energy beings who take human form in order to communicate with us?

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 13th, 2006, 7:25pm

Yes, I understand that angels from the higher dimensions can manifest themselves in our 3D world, as they choose, and if need be. I understand that their dimension is right here with us, but at a different frequency. They are able to look into our world easily, but most of us can't see into their world. Am I right on that? I have a degree of ESP and my intuition is good, but I can't say I ever saw an angel (at least I didn't recognize it as such).

I've been reading OPERATION TERRA and let's just say it's ringing my chimes, and inside myself I have the feeling most of it is true. Am I right? Or am I fooling myself? It sounds a lot like Sylvia Browne's book about the Other Side, only more technical. Strangely enough, I feel as if I understand the concepts.

Timetraveler, do you meditate a lot, or do these psychic things just come to you without your calling for them?

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 14th, 2006, 08:00am

I do not do "static meditation". Psychic revealments come to me in my normal activities and are so integrated into my thoughts that it is difficult for me to identify a separation. Sometimes, I feel the "power" of the psychic transmission and I am aware of a "raising" of my mind and my consciousness. It takes a long time to feel comfortable to live and think in two worlds at the same time. I do not trust or follow the myopic teachings of Man, but I trust my communication and teachings of my Angels.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 14th, 2006, 08:28am

Question: What do you think of Stephen Hawking's pronouncement that we must populate the Moon and Mars with settlements not dependent on Earth? He believes that the human race will not survive on Earth. He also said that if we want to find another planet like Earth, we have to go to another Solar System. Would there already be creatures like us on that planet?

I think that Stephen Hawking is partially correct. He is correct that the human race will not survive, but the entire Solar System will be affected, including Mars and the Moon. Doesn't he understand the "ripple effect" of a cataclysmic event? His logic is disappointing. Each Solar System and planet has life forms designed to accommodate the characteristics of that environment. Since each planet and each Solar System is different, then also will each life form be different. Learn to think out-of-the-box. Stop looking in the mirror when you try to understand the Universe.

What do you think? Irwyn cool

What do you think? Irwyn

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 14th, 2006, 08:57am

I've seen documentaries about Stephen Hawking and enjoyed them very much. I have not heard anything about his saying that we need to populate the moon because Earth will not last. I think we know that this earth is definitely going to change in some way, and that it's supposed to be soon rather than in another millenium. I read that there were already ET space ships on the moon and they waved our astronauts off, but I don't know how true that is. I read that there are ETs in underground bases here on earth, but I don't know if that's true either. I don't really know the truth about anything, and that's why I am here and trying to find out what's going on.

I'm trying to learn to think outside the box, but I am 70 years old, and have been living my life mostly in the box, so it's a bit difficult to make the transition. I have others in my family to deal with who are totally IN the box and refuse to get out of the box....and refuse to even take a peek outside of the box.

Got any advice for me?

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 14th, 2006, 12:39pm

on Jun 14th, 2006, 08:57am, Star wrote:
I read that there were already ET space ships on the moon and they waved our astronauts off, but I don't know how true that is. I read that there are ETs in underground bases here on earth, but I don't know if that's true either. I don't really know the truth about anything, and that's why I am here and trying to find out what's going on.


None of us know the truth. Nobody ever will except for those with a true experience. Neil Armstrong did say that there was a base and massive spaceships. This only means that Neil Armstrong and the others who witnessed same know the truth. We can only assume. The other problem is, did Neil Armstrong say those things. Walter Cronkite said he did. Would you believe Walter Cronkite? You bet your bippy you would and I most certainly do too because we both know Walter Cronkite as if he were a family member.

So, it's things such as this that can change a theory to a truth in our thoughts simply because of an authority that we trust. For that matter, we also trust Neil Armstrong.

Case in point, the odds that there is a base on the moon are extremely high and being a poker player, I would go all-in if I were to bet that there is.

As far as underground bases go, personally, I'm not yet convinced of such. I do know that UFOs can delve deeply into a couple of earth's crevices that we do not have access to. This was discovered by some, however, it was initially reported by the online newspaper India Daily, which is the equivalent to our grocery store rag the INQUIRER. So, I'm not sold on the underground bases yet.

Honestly, I realized a long time ago that I must only truly believe my own personal experiences. It's safer because I know how tricky the mind can be, and I've seen all to often how some will believe everything they read simply because they have become too entrenched in a given subject.

Glad to see that you live outside the box though. That's a good thing in this day and age. It keeps the eyes open wider while the rest of the world sleeps.

Star, if you want a real enlightenment, click the website address at the bottom of this post in my signature section where it says Authority Is Believable. Of course this will only work if you have sound, which I'm sure you do.

This is (in my eyes) the absolute best proof that mankind has in it's possession in respect to UFOs and astronauts.

FIRST, TURN UP YOUR VOLUME



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 14th, 2006, 3:07pm

Thanks for that sound bite, ATrueOriginal. Sounds legit to me.

What are your thoughts on the reptilian ETs that have supposedly been here underground for ages.....and what about those underground bases where experiments are going on, etc.?

Shape-shifting reptilians who are people in high places that we are familiar with. Sounds too fantastic to believe......and yet, who knows? I would like to know the truth.

I've watched that alien interview, and that is mind-boggling, too. Do you think it's real?

There are so many things that I'm trying to sort out.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 14th, 2006, 3:32pm

So the Reptilians are underground? If that's true then I'm just about certain they're the faction governed by Lucifer. Now I just need to find the possible link between the Reptilians and the Grays, cause it seems to me that the Grays are just disposable forms used by Lucifer's hierarchy, judging by their behavior.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 14th, 2006, 5:37pm

on Jun 14th, 2006, 3:07pm, Star wrote:
Thanks for that sound bite, ATrueOriginal. Sounds legit to me.
What are your thoughts on the reptilian ETs that have supposedly been here underground for ages.....and what about those underground bases where experiments are going on, etc.?
Shape-shifting reptilians who are people in high places that we are familiar with. Sounds too fantastic to believe......and yet, who knows? I would like to know the truth.
I've watched that alien interview, and that is mind-boggling, too. Do you think it's real?


Star, I read everything but I don't believe anything unless I have experienced it myself. I can only imagine it, I cannot believe it. Any experience only holds true for the experiencer. For everyone else, it's theory.

I have however dug out a few addresses here that pertain to your earlier post.


Famous quotes by famous people about UFOs and/or aliens
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1115052274

Underground Bases
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1111329595

ASTRONAUT SIGHTINGS & Pictures
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1108372018&start=0


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 14th, 2006, 6:34pm

Thanks so much for going to all that trouble to get this all together for me. Lots to digest there. I've been doing a lot of internet searches myself and trying to digest what I find.

Zareste, here is a link telling about the reptilians, but I'm sure you've seen this before.
http://www.exopolitics.org/GalacticDiplomacy/GD-ET-Motivations-3.htm#Reptilians

I asked my husband yesterday what he would do if a space vehicle landed on the lawn near our patio and he said, "In my mind they don't exist, so nothing would be there." I can't seem to convince him to at least hear about it or read a little something. He believes that maybe 3 or 4 people have seen something they think is a UFO. Oh, how I'd love to show him all the pictures of them on the internet. He would just say they were doctored pictures and if I showed him statements by astronauts, he'd say they didn't really say it and someone made it up. So I am stymied.

He knows that in November 2004 I saw one myself and talked his ear off about it that day. He didn't see it because he was driving the car and I was seeing it off the the right of the car in the blue sky. I reported it to one of those sites on the internet where people report such things. It was moving in ways I've never seen an earth vehicle move, so I assumed it was something from "out there", a true UFO.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Ashiana24 on Jun 16th, 2006, 09:48am


Hi Star smiley

“I'm trying to learn to think outside the box”

Is that anything like thinking “outside the bun?” Lol remember that McDonald’s commercial?

Star, I believe there are underground bases, and I believe there is a subterranean alien species called “Reptilians”. I’ve been reading about them for a long time. If you’re interesting in reading more about them, you may go to the site at the following link and read my thread “The Menacing Reptilian Agenda” on page 2 of the “General Board.” You may also reply to the thread at my forum, also at the following link. smiley

http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi

What do you think of David Icke's books? He wrote extensively about them in relation to the Illuminati.

~ Ashiana


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 16th, 2006, 12:52pm

Ashiana, how can any person digest all this information and still remain sane? This is so foreign to anything I grew up with, that it's hard to make sense of it. I'm not saying I don't believe it, but it's only been a few weeks since I've been reading all these things and it's boggling my mind. I will have to do much more reading on it.

I have seen some of the David Icke videos which are fascinating, to say the least. Assuming what he says is true, HOW should the human population of earth proceed? Could they and we learn to live together, or is that an impossibility, given what I read about their hatred for us? He says many human beings shapeshift to reptilian creatures, including the royals of UK. I'm trying to understand this, but it's not easy. I'm open, though.

I know if I told my husband about this, he'd say someone is making it up and if I believe it, it would mean I am gullible.

I will continue to persue the truth, as strange or horrid it may be.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 16th, 2006, 1:08pm

Hi Star!
I have been here at this website for a long time. There is a whole world of ideas and beliefs here. Listen to them but I would suggest, as I have done, applying common sense to everything. I draw a line over which I do not cross in what I believe on this subject. There is one thing also that I have learned quite well. That is facts never get in the way of a good story and anything said or read is worth repeating.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 16th, 2006, 4:32pm

The hardest thing to face is reality. Every body has their own belief system and their individual reality. When you look at the news on TV and see the unreality and hypocrisy and lies, then you ask yourself, what is real? Where is this world heading? If you believe our leaders, then everything is wonderful, and we are winning the war and all of the intrusions into our privacy as well as the bankrupting of our country is justified. That is why I prefer to be a free thinker and not a product of government and press information.

I find hope in the belief that the "higher authority" has its own agenda and that the rule of the "evil Kings" will be ended soon. Try to access your "higher selves" to get the answers that you need. The answers are out there!!!

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 16th, 2006, 5:51pm

I think sometimes we have to unlearn a lot of the things we were taught. I believe there is a GOD, and after that, it's all iffy. Nobody has a lock on the truth. I'm learning that much.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 16th, 2006, 6:49pm

Ahhh my child....you are on the right path. Lol! Good for you.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 16th, 2006, 8:29pm

But I can't help but feel a closeness to my Catholic faith.....and I don't think it's a bad thing. I just think I have branched out beyond what they believe.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 16th, 2006, 11:18pm

So what is the problem? Keep your faith close but look at others ideas. Your religion does not cancel out the possibility of other life forms. Jesus said that he tended other flocks in addition to us so we all could be under the same umbrella so to speak.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Razor on Jun 16th, 2006, 11:20pm

on Jun 16th, 2006, 11:18pm, hjdelight wrote:
So what is the problem? Keep your faith close but look at others ideas. Your religion does not cancel out the possibility of other life forms. Jesus said that he tended other flocks in addition to us so we all could be under the same umbrella so to speak.

HJ


Hi Hydjlight I didnt get to read this post but what you said is wonderful Jesus did say that and it is often overlooked.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 17th, 2006, 07:40am

You are probably right and Jesus meant that he tends to every intelligent life form in the universe. Since other intelligent life forms were not known about in biblical times I think it was interpreted that Jesus tended not only the Jewish flock, but the gentile flock as well. Nobody even thought it was possible that "others" would be coming here the way it's happening now. It wouldn't even have been considered.

Now we can interpret Jesus' words differently, since now we have the experience of life in other galaxies obviously coming here. I read that even the Vatican is now quietly delving into the subject of UFOs and aliens. I was happy to read that.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 17th, 2006, 08:30am

on Jun 17th, 2006, 07:40am, Star wrote:
I read that even the Vatican is now quietly delving into the subject of UFOs and aliens. I was happy to read that.


The Vatican is quite privy to UFOs. Because they are who they are, you'll hear very little but If you for the moment think about how older history is forever written and stored in the Vatican, I can assure you that they are more then convinced that they exist.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 17th, 2006, 2:35pm

So it's not only our government who keeps secrets....but the religious hierarchy as well. Lots of secrets in this old world. Too many.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Ashiana24 on Jun 17th, 2006, 8:08pm

"I know if I told my husband about this, he'd say someone is making it up and if I believe it, it would mean I am gullible."

I can understand perfectly, Star. My dad feels the same way, er, well, I haven’t really discussed much of my paranormal studies with him, but something like this would also be so foreign to him. So I’m not surprised at all if this is mind boggling to you, especially since you’ve only read the information very recently. You know how some people have a focus of research: some may focus on UFO’s, others on abductions. Well, my primary focus has always been the Reptilians.

Reptilians, also called Reptoids and the “Greens” are believed to be a subterranean alien race possibly an ultradimensional race of aliens. They have been mentioned in ancients texts of many cultures throughout the world just like Bigfoot has. One thread I posted on my forum is called “The Nag Hammadi & the Dead Sea Scrolls.” In that thread I discuss how the Reptilians are also mentioned in ancient codices like the Nag Hammadi, and the Dead Sea Scrolls. The word for them was the “Archons.”

“Assuming what he says is true, HOW should the human population of earth proceed? Could they and we learn to live together, or is that an impossibility, given what I read about their hatred for us?”

From what I’ve read, I don’t think this can ever be possible because of the aggressive nature of the Reptilians. They lack the compassion and love that we mammalian humans possess.

“I know if I told my husband about this, he'd say someone is making it up and if I believe it, it would mean I am gullible.”

Star, when I first bought David Icke’s book “Children of the Matrix” years ago, I read the first few pages, closed the book and thought “This man is nuts.” Lol But as the years go by I have heard of accounts of many people being abducted by these beings, women being abused and raped by them. Also, the honorable African Shaman Credo Mutwa is also very familiar with them, having had an ultradimensional experience with them with negative aftereffects.(please see my thread: “Credo Mutwa:A Most Important Man”). After hearing all of this, reading the historical accounts and seeing artwork depicting them, my belief as a researcher is that we have a real phenomenon here.

Don’t worry, Star. Years ago, I was where you are now in learning about the Reptilians. As time goes on, you’ll begin to see a clearer picture of the phenomenon.

“I will continue to persue the truth, as strange or horrid it may be.

That’s good, Star. smiley Although a certain degree of skepticism is healthy, it’s also good to have an open mind.

I think the Vatican knows a lot about these Reptilians that it's not saying. I wrote a thread called "Tunnels of the Vatican" but I attached it to the "Secret Societies" thread under the "Conspiracies" Board at the following link. This will give you an idea of what has been going on for a long time.

http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi

~ Ashiana



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 17th, 2006, 11:34pm

Ashiana, I have seen some of the David Icke videos about reptilians, NWO, Masons, and Credo Mutwa. While it is mind boggling to me, in a way, I feel like there has to be some truth to all this.

I just have to hide some of this from my husband. I don't want to start WWIII, you know. Discretion is the word for me these days. He knows I am interested in UFOs and that I saw what I thought was one, but I know he thinks it's foolish, and yet he hasn't said he didn't want me to join the forums or anything. I just don't talk about it too much so he doesn't label me a heretic. LOL

If I showed him some of those paintings from long ago that have the UFOs in them, he'd say somebody doctored the pictures. He will not allow himself to believe in anything but what the Church's magisterium says. I showed him a web page that told about a priest (forgot his name) who says these things are real and that the Vatican is quietly investigating these things. He didn't have much to say about it, but maybe I planted a seed. That's all I can do.

I read everything you referred me to at your forum and I am learning, even though it's a hard lesson. I'm glad I'm open minded, but with a cautiousness about it, too.

In one of the David Icke videos a woman gives her testimony about the reptilians, seeing the shape-shifting, and mentions prominent people who do satanic rituals in an underground place. Another video I watched shows a blonde lady talking about mind control and slavery, and she mentions people like Senator Byrd, who is one of my favorite guys to watch on C-Span. It's hard to hear things like this. The guy is quite old and I can't even imagine him having her as a slave and going through rituals. Shape shifting is something I can't wrap my mind around either....it's just so incredible. How can that be?

Just bear with me, as I am a baby at this stuff, but I'm willing to learn. I think I am trying to process too much information at one time.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 18th, 2006, 12:26am

Just thought I'd point something out: An idiot believes the first thing he's told and considers anyone stupid for defying that belief. The word 'skeptic' does NOT apply to gullible idiots, so if they're allowed to continue calling themselves 'skeptics' then we might as well tear up the dictionary let the word 'skeptic' die the same death as the word 'science'.

That aside, I wonder: What kind of shape-shifting can reptilians do? Like, what limitations are there? I knew the Sirians could customize forms to live in, but I never heard of someone changing on-the-fly.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 18th, 2006, 07:54am

According to what I heard, they need human blood in order to be able to shape-shift. If they don't get enough, they can't hold the form of a human being very long. It sounds nuts to me, but I am aware that I don't know everything and am open minded. I just don't want to be duped. I am a truth-seeker, who doesn't know what to believe because I haven't seen any of this with my own eyes.......yet others say they have.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Razor on Jun 18th, 2006, 08:39am

Hi Star,
It certainly is hard to discern the truth from fiction.Concerning UFO's the earliest documented case i can remember is Christopher Columbus in the early 1400's although i am sure that there have been cases documented eariler than that.Concerning aliens i think That is an another whole study all together and is best left to the individual investigator.

Best Regards Dean
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 18th, 2006, 09:37am

Apparently there have been ETs visiting us for centuries, even before Christopher Columbus. Think about Ezekiel in the bible........what did he really see? He describes it so well....how could it be anything else but a spacecraft?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by FocksMolder on Jun 18th, 2006, 09:42am

1015 Japan: Two objects were seen ‘giving birth’ to smaller luminous spheres over Japan.

1027 During August in Egypt, a number of "stars" were seen to fly over Cairo and the Nile Delta.

1034 Europe: A rare typeset book from 1493 contains what may be the earliest pictorial representation of a UFO. The book Liber Chronicarum, describes a strange fiery sphere, seen in 1034, soaring through the sky in a straight course from south to east and then veering toward the setting sun. The illustration accompanying the account shows a cigar-shaped form haloed by flames, sailing through a blue sky over a green, rolling countryside. This may be the first work that actually contains actual illustrations of UFO's.

1113 England, Wessex: A group of churchmen from Laon in France were going from town to town in Wessex, bearing with them relics of the Virgin Mary, which they used to perform miracles of healing. At the coastal town of Christchuch, they were astonished to see a dragon come out of the sea, 'breathing fire out of its nostrils.'

1133 Japan: A large silvery disk is reported to have come close to the ground.

1078 England: " In this year appeared the wilde fyr such as no man before remembered: and moreover it did harm in many places."

1180 Japan, Kii province: A term equivalent to our "flying saucer" was actually used by the Japanese approximately 700 years before it came into use in the West. Ancient documents describe an unusual shining object seen in the night as a flying "earthenware vessel." The object, which had been heading northeast from a mountain in Kii province, changed its direction and vanished below the horizon, leaving a luminous trail.

1200 England: William of Newburgh describes a silvery, flat, shiny disc-like object, which appeared near the abbey and frightened everyone near it.

1207 England, Tilbury:Gervase of Tilbury writes in Otio Imperialia about an aerial ship which caught its anchor on a pile of stones. An occupant came down from the ship and managed to free it, however he was asphyxiated by the atmosphere.

1211
• England, Gravesend, Kent: During a Sunday mass it is said that the congregation saw an anchor descend and catch on a tombstone in the churchyard. The churchgoers rushed outside to see a strange 'ship' in the sky, with people on board. One occupant of the vessel leaped over the side, but did not fall: 'as if swimming in water' he made his way through the air toward the anchor. The people on the ground tried to capture him. The man then 'hurried up to the ship.' His companions cut the anchor rope, and the ship then 'sailed out of sight.' The local blacksmith made ornaments from the abandoned anchor to decorate the church lectern.

• Ireland, Cloera: A ship-like craft traveling through the air is reported to have fouled the tower of a church. An occupant clambered from the craft, down the rope and cut free the anchor.

1235 Japan: What might be called the first official investigation of a UFO sighting occurred in Japan in 1235. During the night while General Yoritsume and his army were encamped, mysterious lights were observed in the heavens. The lights were seen in the southwest for many hours, winging, circling and moving in loops. The general ordered a "full-scale scientific investigation" of these strange events. The report finally submitted to him has the "soothing" ring of many contemporary explanations offered for UFO phenomena. In essence it read: "the whole thing is completely natural, General. It is... only the wind making the stars sway."

1239 England: Matthew of Paris: “On July 24 at dusk, but not when the stars came out, while the air was clear, serene and shining, a great star appeared. It was like a torch, rising from the south, and flying on both sides of it, there was emitted in the height of the sky a very great light. It turned quickly towards the north, not quickly, nor, indeed, with speed, but exactly as it wished to ascend to a place high in the air.”

1254 England, St Albans: Some monks at saw in the night sky 'a kind of large ship elegantly shaped and well-equipped and of marvelous color'.

1270 England, Bristol: A spaceship was seen, which landed and an occupant came down from a ladder and was suffocated in the Earth's atmosphere.

1271 Japan: The famous priest Nichiren was about to be headed at Tatsunokuchi, Kamakura, when there appeared in the sky an object like a full moon, shiny and bright. The officials panicked and the execution was not carried out.

1290 England, Yorkshire: The Abbot and monks of Byland Abbey, (the largest Cistercian abbey in England), were about to commence a meal when one of the brethren ran in to announce a great portent outside. They all ran outside and saw a large silver disc fly slowly overhead and caused the utmost terror.

1320 England, Durham: After the abbot of Durham Abbey died and was buried, a strange light was seen to descend from the sky and move about over his grave.

1332 England, Uxbridge: There was seen in the sky a pile (pillar) of fire the size of a small boat, pallid and livid in colour. It rose from the south, crossed the sky with a slow and grave motion, and went north. Out of the front of the pile, a fervent red flame burst forth with great beams of light. Its speed increased, and it flew through the air.

1347 Europe: Black Plague, 1347-50: Reports from this period feature strange cigarlike objects flying low through the sky and dispersing noxious mists. Soon after these objects passed by, plague would break out in that area. Other features from this period similar to modern UFO reports include sightings of mysterious MIB-like scythe-wielding "reapers" clad in black hoods & robes, and mysteriously slaughtered cattle and other animals. One year before an outbreak of plague, a "column of fire" was seen over the Pope's palace at Avignon. A monstrous "whale" was cast ashore at Egemont shortly before another plague outbreak, and numerous times during this period "rumblings like thunder" were heard even when there were no storms. Blazing "comets" were seen numerous times in the heavens - some of which may have been real celestial objects frightening an omen-crazy populace - of which numerous were said to be accompanied by "flames" (aurorae?) hanging low in the sky.

1361 Japan: A flying object described as being "shaped like a drum, about twenty feet in diameter" emerged from the inland sea off the western Japanese coast.

1387 England, Northamptonshire: A fire in the sky, like a burning and revolving wheel, or round barrel of flame, emitting fire from above, and others in the shape of a long fiery beam, were seen through a great deal of the winter.

1394 England: "A certain thing appeared in the likeness of fire in many parts of England every night. This fiery apparition, oftentimes when anybody went alone, it would go with him, and would stand still when he stood still. To some it appeared in the likeness of a turning wheel burning; to other some a round object, the likeness of a barrel, flashing out flames of fire at the head; to others, the likeness of a long burning lance."

1453 Constantinople: "A fire descended from the sky, stood over the City, and enveloped her with light all night long." Written during the siege of Constantinople.

1458 Japan: An object as bright as the full moon, followed by curious signs, was seem in the sky.

1461 France, Arras: A fiery thing like an iron rod of good length and as large as one half of the moon was seen in the sky for less than a quarter of an hour. This object was also described as being "shaped like a ship from which fire was seen flowing."

1468 Japan: A dark object, which made a "sound like a wheel," flew from Mt. Kasuag toward the west at midnight.

1479 Arabia: There is a woodcut of UFO that was sighted over Arabia in an illustrated volume published in 1557. The Prodigiorum Ac Ostentorum Chronicon, text by Conrad Lycosthenes, is one of the best-illustrated books of the Renaissance depicting medieval superstition. On page 494 is a woodcut showing a spaceship seen over Arabia in 1479.

1492 From "The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus." Christopher Columbus and Pedro Gutierrez while on the deck of the Santa Maira, observed, "a light glimmering at a great distance." It vanished and reappeared several times during the night, moving up and down, "in sudden and passing gleams." It was sighted 4 hours before land was sighted, and taken by Columbus as a sign they would soon come to land.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by FocksMolder on Jun 18th, 2006, 09:50am

60 AD Scotland: A ‘ship’ was seen speeding across the night sky at.

70 Josephus, from "Jewish War" Book CXI, "On the 21st of May a demonic phantom of incredible size...for before sunset there appeared in the air over the whole country chariots and armed troops coursing through the clouds and surrounding the cities."

80 Scotland: Conrad Wolfhart, Lycothenes, a medieval writer reports, “When the Roman emporer, Agricola was in Scotland, wondrous flames were seen in the skies over Caledon Wood, all one winter night. Everywhere the air burned, and on many nights, when the weather was serene, a ship was seen in the air moving fast.”

98 Rome: Conrad Wolfhart, Lycothenes, a medieval writer reports, “At sunset, a burning shield passed over the sky at. It came sparkling from the west and passed over to the east.”

312 Constantine and his army all beheld in the heavens a luminous cross.. He claimed to have been shown a cross on the Sun as a sign from Christ that he would triumph over Maxentius.



393 Strange lights were seen in the sky in the days of the Emperor Theodosius. On a sudden, a bright globe appeared at midnight and shone brilliantly near the daystar, (Venus). This globe shone little less brilliantly than the planet, and little by little, a great number of other glowing orbs drew near the first globe. The spectacle was like a swarm of bees flying around the beekeeper, and the light of these orbs was as if they were dashing violently against each other. They blended together into one awful flame, and bodied forth to the eye as a horrible two-edged sword. The strange globe, which was first seen now appeared like the pommel to a handle, and all the little orbs, fused with the first, shone as brilliantly as the first globe.

398 Byzantine Empire: “A thing like a burning globe, presenting a sword, shown brilliantly in the sky over the city. It seemed almost to touch the earth from the zenith. Such a thing was never recorded to have been seen before by man.”



400 Egypt: Panodorus, an Egyptian monk wrote: "From the creation of Adam, indeed down to Enoch and to the general Cosmic Year 1,282, the number of days was known in neither month nor year but the Egregori ('watchers' or 'angels') descended to Earth in the general Cosmicm Year 1,000, held converse with men and taught them that the orbits of the two luminaries being marked by the 12 signs of the Zodiac are composed of 360 parts."



457 France: Conrad Wolffart, known as Lycosthenese, a professor at the University of Basel, Switzerland, from 1539, recorded that in 457 AD, over Brittany in northern France, 'a blazing thing like a globe was seen in the sky. Its size was immense, and on its beams hung a ball of fire like a dragon out of whose mouth proceeded two beams, one of which stretched beyond France, and the other reached toward Ireland, and ended in fire, like rays.'



584 France: The Bishop of Tours in France, is perplexed by curious "domes and golden globes that raced across the sky".



619 Japan: A bright object like a human figure was seen over the Gamo riverin Central Japan.



640 Japan: On the 7th day of the second month of Spring, a star entered the moon. (The Nihongi book two)

642 Japan: In Autumn, 9th day, 7th month, during the reign of the Empress Toyo-Tokaro-Ikashi-hi-Tarahishi-Hime a guest star entered the moon. (The Nihongi book two)



643 Japan: "Five colored banners and umbrellas shone in the sky, and descending, hung over the Temple to the sound of various music."


650 India: One night in the hot season, they (Hariswami and his new wife) were laying on the roof of the summer house. The veil on the woman’s face slipped off in the night while a demi-god was seated in his car over head. His gaze suddenly fell upon her. The demi-god lowered the car and placed her asleep within. She was never seen again. (As told by Hariswami, translated from Hindu by J. Platts)


664 England, Barking near the Thames: At a monastery a great light appeared in the sky at night and shone over nuns who were singing in the burial-ground. They reported that it lifted up, moved to the other side of the monastery, and then ascended into the night sky. Priests said the light surpassed the brightness of day.



671 Japan: Flaming object was seen flying to north from many countries in Japan, one year before the war of the Jinshin.



674 England: "In this year a thin and tremulous cloud, a kind of rainbow, appeared at the fourth watch of the night on the fifth day before Easter, proceeding from the east, and turned into the colour of blood."



679 Japan: Cotton like matter about 5 to 6 feet long fell all over Naniwa, former name of Osaka, and was drifted by the wind here and there.



746 England: " Dragons were seen in the heavens"

747 China: Huge flame-breathing dragons were reported being seen in skies, accompanied by men in airships.



748 England: " Ships were seen in the air with their men"

763 Meath County: While King Domnall Mac Murchada attended the fair at Teltown ships were seen in the air.

776 Charlemagne’s castle at Sigiburg. As the Saxons were laying siege to the castle, flying shields that were reddish in color appeared in the sky and rained down fire on the attacking army.



793 England: " ...dragons were seen flying in the air"

796 England: " In the same year small globes were seen about the Sun"

800 Peru: A theoretical date for the creation of the anomalous mass etchings known as the Nazca lines that resemble aerial landing strips in the Peruvian Andes

810 St. Gregory of Tours. "Alcuin, the secretary and biographer of Charlemagne, and author of the Vita karoli, states in his work that in 810 when he was on his way from Aachen, he saw a large sphere descend like lightning from the sky. It traveled from east to west and was so bright it made the monarch's horse rear up so that Charlemagne fell and injured himself severely."

840 France, Lyons: As he was coming out of the Cathedral Archbishop Abobard, saw a mob stoning three men and a woman alleged to have been seen alighting from a aerial ship.



842 France: Multicolored armies were seen marching in the sky...These sightings of infernal armies were nocturnal. They several times accompanied the siege of Jerusalem.

919 Hungary: An object like a flaming torch was seen in the sky, together with spheres, which flew over giving out a brighter light than the stars.

927 France: "In the town of Verdun, like the whole eastern part of France, saw fiery armies appearing in the sky. Flodoard’s chronicle reports that they flew over eastern Reims on a Sunday morning in March. Similar phenomena happened several times under King Pepin the Short, under Charlemagne, under Louis I, the Debonair. These sovereign’s capitularia mention penalties against creatures that travel on aerial ships."


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 18th, 2006, 10:10am



There's only one thing wrong with this post Focks. It is worthy of a new thread instead of a post. Could you start a new thread and give it a title in this same General UFO section. Great information and I would hate to see it get buried in this particular thread. Thx.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 18th, 2006, 4:05pm

Thing is, we came from space to begin with, so it isn't a matter of who's from space and who isn't; just a matter of who's from which stellar system and what their intentions are. After reading the records of the Dogon tribe and the ancient Egyptians, I'm becoming convinced that our invading factions are all from Sirius.

If the Dogons are correct, Sirius was chosen by a higher government to rule this side of the galaxy (or the galaxy itself), governing space flight, controlling the life cycle, deciding who is allowed to know what, creating belief systems and demanding worship, killing off civilizations deemed 'negative' or disobedient by the hierarchy (the black plague, Noah's flood), and other fun things our hierarchic captors like to do. Sirius itself seems to be fighting over who gets the most control - the way humans began fighting when we were selected to govern Earth - leaving them with multiple factions, so we now have two or three treacherous alien races using every imaginable tactic to overcome humanity and get control of Earth. Reptilians do walk-ins, Greys do abductions and alter DNA, angels plant spirits and use near-death experiences - it's pretty amazing how well humanity has dealt with them all.

Interesting details there on Reptilian shape-shifting. I can't imagine how something could change form using blood, but I haven't looked very far into it.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 18th, 2006, 5:32pm

Check this page. There are references about 50/50 reptilian-human hybrids and needing human blood.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread198338/pg
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by DarkLord on Jun 20th, 2006, 12:39am

I don't understand the whole reptilian paradox, when the aliens clearly made it out that they hate warm environments and won't be coming to our planet on a large scale until it has cooled down some.

Well atleast that was what I was told. I don't really think there are any reptoid races at all. Even the mighty Draconian race could just be birds with reptile like features. And other reptoid races might as well be amphibianoids. Because I can see an amphibianoid evolving into something much more human like than a reptoid. Since reptoids oftenly evolve into something mammal or bird like, (like the dinosaurs) as they mature and develope a more heighten sense of intellect.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 20th, 2006, 01:03am

Well, DarkLord, I've never seen a reptoid and I don't want to see one. All I know is what I've been reading and watching on David Icke videos. A woman on the video says she has seen humans morph into reptoids. I admit it's pretty strange, but she sounded sincere and until we see one and interact with one, we won't know anything for sure. It's all guess work.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by DarkLord on Jun 20th, 2006, 02:48am

on Jun 20th, 2006, 01:03am, Star wrote:
Well, DarkLord, I've never seen a reptoid and I don't want to see one. All I know is what I've been reading and watching on David Icke videos.


You should never believe what you see on TV and not everything that you read. Or atleast should always keep the view as a viewpoint at all times, remain open to the possibilities. That's what the aliens have said to me most oftenly. "To keep your mind open to possibilities."



on Jun 20th, 2006, 01:03am, Star wrote:

A woman on the video says she has seen humans morph into reptoids.


I would seriously doubt any extraterrestrial race would be willing to show this ability to a human, when they know most humans are very fearful creatures.

But I don't think the Draconians would be walking amongst humans.

The only race that does walk amongst humans for an interactive behavior study is the Annunaki. Which can only morth their skin, like a chameleon. But the Annunaki are mammals and made us as it says in the Bible in their image.

on Jun 20th, 2006, 01:03am, Star wrote:

I admit it's pretty strange, but she sounded sincere and until we see one and interact with one, we won't know anything for sure. It's all guess work.


Alot of people can sound sincere. When a republican official talks to the public he or she'll approach in a truely sincereful manner. But that doesn't mean he or she was truely being honest to the people.

And I have encounter and interacted the extraterrestrials. Draconians, Zeta, Annunaki, catlike humanoids, doglike humanoids, and insectoids.

And they all say same thing when it comes to knowledge, "To keep your mind open to possibilities."
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 20th, 2006, 11:20am

An open mind is good...but being gullible is not good. So I shall take your advice to heart. Thank you.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 20th, 2006, 3:28pm

My aliens told me, that there are currently , that means long term for us, always in limited number around Earth and that there is a strict controll over the situation here.
The chaos created outside, in the society, is a chaos of this humanity non-responsive to their higher selves.
There seem to be many aliens around but there is one large group containg few different individuals, There is no such fight between them as mentioned.
They don't come so close to humanity as observed, but their mental energy is enough to undermine our actions and mind streams.
Then there are lot of interdimensional beings who don't exist more than picture in the mirror.
There are lot of mind projections of living alien intelligence. Just for controll.
I suppose...

smiley E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by DarkLord on Jun 21st, 2006, 01:53am

on Jun 20th, 2006, 3:28pm, Mewtwo wrote:
My aliens told me, that there are currently , that means long term for us, always in limited number around Earth and that there is a strict controll over the situation here.


Of course there is. If there wasn't any control in what the aliens can do in terms of humans, humanity would become extinct. Because surely enough the Draconians would just launch a thousand or so Anti-matter bombs and watch while laughing as the human race is no more.

But this is administrated by the Annunaki Empire within the Intergalactice Community, which sort of works like a confederacy.



on Jun 20th, 2006, 3:28pm, Mewtwo wrote:
The chaos created outside, in the society, is a chaos of this humanity non-responsive to their higher selves.
There seem to be many aliens around but there is one large group containg few different individuals, There is no such fight between them as mentioned.


I don't think Draconians and the Annunaki or Atlantians have ever engaged in combat.

But I think we should be thank of the extraterrestrials, because without them not only would we not exist. But music, art, poetry, martial arts, literature, socialism, peaceful oriented religions like Islam and Buddhism, and organized military wouldn't exist.

We would still have some of the technology we have today, but it would be designed more so for control and dominance. As well as many other things that about as equally corrupt.

Since capitalism and dictatorship are pure humanly crafted ideology. I would say that our society would be dominated by a huge monopoly that dictated everything that occured in our society. That is what would happen if aliens just created us and contibuted nothing else to our society.

on Jun 20th, 2006, 3:28pm, Mewtwo wrote:
They don't come so close to humanity as observed, but their mental energy is enough to undermine our actions and mind streams.


Well actually they don't come so close to humanity in terms that we interpret.

They do interact with humanity, seldomly of actual interaction of human and extraterrestrial. But they do so more oftenly with camoflauge. Because they do want us in their circle. They like us alot, even though they also hate what we might become in the future. So it's sort of mutual. But they do take quite a bit of interest in our species.


on Jun 20th, 2006, 3:28pm, Mewtwo wrote:
Then there are lot of interdimensional beings who don't exist more than picture in the mirror.
There are lot of mind projections of living alien intelligence. Just for controll.
I suppose...

smiley E.



Interdimensional beings are much more seldom if they ever interact in our universe and I'm talking about those that come from another dimension. The only interdimension beings that really do interact are our the decease of our own species. Which are most oftenly Guardian Angels.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Razor on Jun 21st, 2006, 06:49am

These photos depict figures found in Equador. Notice they appear to be wearing space suits. You can see a comparison photo with an Apollo astronaut.


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Two images c.6000 BC from Tassili, Sahara Desert, North Africa. They do not look human do they ? Also notice the disk in the sky in left hand picture.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 21st, 2006, 07:03am

Yes, right, but we have to consider one important fact.
Human being as such is a direct descendant of very pure and noble Keepers of the Knowing and they came here very long time ago. They have undergone drastic changes since they touched soil of this earth and turned to live very hard and animal like life.
They even eat meat of other beings, even their own meat. They've changed from most noble and beautiful beings to ugly creatures and they'll keep striving here untill the rest of times.
Somebody should help them.
Those people you mentioned coming here, i.e. Draconians and Annunaki, and other people from everywhere, these are some historical memmories, they are not here at the moment.
But whoever is here untill this time, they all just tried to exercise their own ideas and powers.
Human being contains very precious biological matterial to all of them, but they never solved the original code, so can't help themselves.
Whatever religions and sciences were taught to humanity to accelerate their development, they became later a cause of misapprehension of reality and had to be refused.
Our inner conscioussness is still mostly hard as a rock instead of being soft and vulnerable.
How can we percieve the reality correctly ?
We are not based on centralised systems, forces and artificiall controls. Our pure human nature depends purely on noble conduct, natural knowledge, and freedom spirit.
That is the basic difference between us and them.
We might admire their well organized systems but we are not happy to follow them.
Our intellect is primordially free of organisations.
We won't follow the attempts to empower us with ignorance, you know...
So it might take a time for few of us at least, to consider the matter seriously, to hold the best possible view of humanity to be able to talk to aliens.
I didn't mean interdimensional beings, I meant alien mentall projections sent to the minds of people.

Peace to both sides
smiley E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 21st, 2006, 09:47am

Quote:
Yes, right, but we have to consider one important fact.
Human being as such is a direct descendant of very pure and noble Keepers of the Knowing and they came here very long time ago. They have undergone drastic changes since they touched soil of this earth and turned to live very hard and animal like life.


Nothing is fact until it is proven. Until it is proven by observation, it is a theory, however, it can be a belief but it cannot be fact.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 21st, 2006, 10:15am

Amen.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 21st, 2006, 12:18pm

No, it might take really long time untill it can be proved.
It will be much more difficult than to prove that we are descendants of apes and monkeys. But it will be correct.
I don't have enough equipment to proove it on my own and little talents.
But I've seen that on my own eyes, it was not that type of message , you are our child and so on..., it was very different the way any aliens would present themself.
All you can confabulate are beings lower than you on the developmental scale, but not those, who are above.
And as original beings we are above those who come here eventhough our generall condition seems to proove the opposite.
I dare to say this here, on public and informed place, because I've gone very far on my path, just on the edge of possibilities, and there is no other reason to apologize for the truth.
The beings I talk about, our ancestors so to say, are not creators of the races or something like that.
They are just ancestors of pure human being, that's all.
Pure spiritual beings with original breath of humanity, so to say. And also very technically evolved.
Not some other aliens.
Just uplift your spirits and your intelligence is capable of direct perception.
That you don't remember that does not say as much as you don't remember being an orangutan.
That we can't proove it yet means that we are very very backwords in facing such possibility technicaly.
My dear alien friends, please don't charm me to a frog, I didn't mean to say that you are of no use here...

cheesy E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 21st, 2006, 8:14pm

Hi friends
Just to place all the evidence in the record. It is my considered opinion that ;

“WE” are the aliens!

Or rather the aliens are our descendants and have been returning to the past in an attempt to save their future.

If any of you would like to read some of my work on this theory or debate Its merrits I would be pleased to discuss my views with you.

In an attempt to account for all the apparent aspects of aliens and their apparent influences through time as well as the genetic harvesting of the current biosphere , including all manner of farm and domesticated animals as well as crops{ crop circles } and even ourselves as witnessed by almost every abductee. The evidence points to someone trying to regain something they lost and in harvesting our bio samples they hope to return to their time and use our raw materials to reinvigorate their world . As I see it they are desperately trying to save themselves. The question is What has happened to destroy their world so much that they have to go back in time to acquire viable breading material to bolster their existence?

Thanks
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 21st, 2006, 8:51pm

That is exactly my theory also Woody so you will get no debate from me. Perhaps pure genetic material will become the currency of the future like gold is now because we will eventually muck up all presently existing genetic material. Maybe with a hybrid virus or something. Who knows? Add time travel (presently becoming a majority expectation among scientists) and you have the solution to the problem. The paradoxes (killing your grandfather etc.) are even being worked out believe it or not. wink

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 21st, 2006, 10:17pm

The paradoxes (killing your grandfather etc.) are even being worked out believe it or not. wink

HJ [/quote]



Hi HJ

To address your statements on time travel I see no paradox at all. I can go to the past and kill my grand father. No Problem. The problem has been in how we think of time and our universe There is no way I could in truth kill my own grandfather in my time line but as there are an infinite number of permutations for every instant in time. if I were to go back and kill the man that was my grandfather then when I returned to the future I would find nothing changed in my own time line. However at the point I killed gramps a new time line was created with my existence having not happened. I could not live in that time line as a descendant of that man. However I may be able to visit it as an outside observer. having no true lineage between the time my grampa was killed and I arrived in that time dimension. Just a thought I would think you could use a genetic test to prove that you were descendant of that man but no record of you birth would ever be found.
This aspect of time travel and Its ramifications can explain why the actions and influence of aliens threw out history have changed so much. From outright manipulation, physical and social, to a more clandestine sneak in and grab what they want before disappearing again. At one time they thought they could go back and change history to alter their future. after a few decades of trying over centuries of historical time they attempted to give us greater moral standards huge engineering marvels complicated language and possibly every major world changing event as we have seen them. However they realized that no mater what they did in the past it did not change their world and its actual history.
Having come to the grim reality of their doom they began a program to retrieve genetic samples and the rest is as we have seen over the more recent time span.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 21st, 2006, 10:51pm

Well you've done a great job of explaining it. I refrained from saying anything about time lines because that subject can go on forever, literally and figuratively! Be prepared for disagreement though because there are as many beliefs and theories, usually masquerading as each other most of the time, as there are posters here. cheesy But that keeps it interesting I guess.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 21st, 2006, 11:48pm

Hi Again HJ

Thanks for the warning.

I am a new-be here but I am not new to UFO forums. I’ve been party and contributor to many group dialogues.

I am sure I will insult, offend, and displease many of the others here. it is inevitable.

I accept that my theory is not among one of the most popular in the current world view of UFO’s / aliens but I was pleased by the new SF series on TV “The 4400“. I had just finished my first published work on UFO;s.
This new show chose the premiss of our ancestors traveling time and abducting people to save their future world. It was kind of spooky too as I had only published my work two months prior to the premier of this TV show.

I have my problems with the powers and abilities given to the abductees as no evidence of physical or mental enhancement has been documented from the reported abduction cases of record. Still They did use my theory in part to under pen the show.
If you like I can send you a copy of my essay. It is approximately 50 pages in length and covers all I have compiled in 38 years of investigation and my personal speculation. To date no one has been able to find any contradictions or unsupported conclusions within it. I continue to seek new and more complete evidence to support my contentions but as yet my theory remains just that .
A theory


Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 22nd, 2006, 12:03am

Congratulations on getting published and yes I would like to read that. I look forward to your postings too.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 22nd, 2006, 12:36am

One last thought before I call it a night. I can’t help wondering Why God and all of the spirits written of in the Bible, Torah, and every religious text from our entire recorded history no longer reveal themselves to us? Could it be that they were just what we now report as aliens of every ilk from the small gray ones to the reptilian or even the beings of energy or as some call the spiritual. If they are in fact still here as aliens and not supernatural agents of good or evil seeking to damn or save us respectively. Then why do they no longer give us miraculous signs as proof of their existence? Is it we no longer have the ability to see them as these things? Could it be they must now use other disguises to continue to pursue their agendas.
I suspect this is a conformation of my supposition. If they were trying to alter the past and redirect the course of events using technology and social reform as the tools. As they finally realized that their actions did not alter their one reality this resulted in a change in tact. that being the retrieval and utilization of our genetic resources to repair or supplement their own failing society.
I find this plausible and even likely as the explanation for the disparagement in how we were dealt with from the past to the present.
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by DarkLord on Jun 22nd, 2006, 01:40am

on Jun 21st, 2006, 09:47am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Nothing is fact until it is proven. Until it is proven by observation, it is a theory, however, it can be a belief but it cannot be fact.


Nothing that is fact is actually fact.

What we consider "facts" are nothing more that popularly accepted accusations and theories which are proven to have so stand in accountability. However the interpretation of the forces that imply these "facts" may be universally different and more than likely different from what our "facts" take into an account.

And if you bother to ask a physicist, they will tell you the same thing. Humans know little if anything about this universe. And the things we do know, might as well have been nothing than beliefs that are holded quite dearly by popularly unity of thought.

If you want to know the truth, talk telepathically with the all-knowing Annunaki race. They will tell you anything, with the exception of a very few things that they just won't talk about, that you want to know in terms of this universe.

To talk telepathically, you must clear your mind of thoughts , stress, tension, and feelings. Your mind must be absolutely as clear as you can possibly make it become. Otherwise you can't very well speak telepathically and even if you do, what you pick can easily be distorted by your own thoughts and feelings.

Now create a single thought and concentrate it. Human have relatively very little mental energy, so you must increase the magnitude of the thought so it can be heard. Think of speaking and having a very weak throat. Same concept. Now concentrate on sending that thought out using your mental energy to whatever source you want. The best way to get a response is to send it directly up, down, or to create a magnitude wave by releasing it and hopefully the extraterrestrial or psychic individual isn't too far to pick it up. But this is of course to test out your ability to speak telepathically. It takes much time to get use to it and eventually you'll be able to speak directly with extraterrestrials.

To know who you are speaking with, you should feel a presence of some kind. And that will indicate who or what you are communicating with. I'd suggest you find a human telepath so you can hopefully test and encourage yourself of having telepathic capabilities.

But of course this is to simply emit a signal. To receive one, you must keep your mind clear and attractive to any incoming signals. If you hinder your mind by disacknowledging or subconsciously disacknowleding a signal, then you won't pick up one. Unless it's a very strong signal. It's like putting your hands over your hears, in which insures you are unable to listen to any telepathic messages.

However, don't expect that the extraterrestrials that you communicate with are going to communicate with you all day or night long. The energy that any Earthly visiting extraterrestrial can emit is by far more stronger than a human could every anticipate. It's like the strength and body weight comparison between that of humans and ants. Ants can pick up things much heavier in mass than themselves than humans are able in terms of their own mass. However the difference is by far more than that. We are talking about the difference of force between a household grenade and a super nova explosion. I know it sounds farfetched, but it really isn't. It's the principle of psionic pressure.

Which means that if an extraterrestrial communicates to you at the same force you had to imply to talk to them, you'll not only die, but almost everything on this planet will as well.

So they try to voice telepathically very quietly and without using hardly any psionic energy at all. But still since humans are very psionically weak, we can easily feel pain if expose to long in a telepathic signal.

This would be why you wouldn't be able to talk with them for that long of time period.

The most I can manage before they pull the plug is roughly half an hour.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 22nd, 2006, 01:51am

Quote:
it be that they were just what we now report as aliens of every ilk from the small gray ones to the reptilian or even the beings of energy or as some call the spiritual.

It true. None of the gods are omnipotent or all-knowing - they're just off-worlders who came and apparently demanded worship from humanity using their 'miracles'. Lucifer is apparently head of the Reptilians and Grays while Jehovah rules the angels which live in mobile cities in Earth's atmosphere (hidden mostly in storm clouds)

Somewhere in the area of 3,500 BC, Earth got the attention of the galactic community and became a target for all sorts of civilization hierarchies and hybrid humanoid species, particularly that of Sirius where Jehovah seems to reign. What occurred in that age can be compared to when Europe discovered Africa - the Africans were amazed by the powers and wisdoms of these white people and did as they were told. Such wise and intelligent beings would never bring harm, right? The same continues to this date when a person meets an angel.

They're still here and carry out their agenda like always, in fact more so than the biblical days. The bible, keep in mind, takes over 2,000 years of material and condenses it into one book, so, the past looks more exciting than it was. The 'gods' like to stand back because they thrive in obscurity and confusion - if we commonly knew who they really are and what they're really doing, we'd kill them brutally, but when they leave it all to humanity's imagination, everyone sees their god as their personal image of perfection. I've heard christians deny whole books of the bible because it portrays Jehovah as the ruthless tyrant he is.

You can read about the angels and their plans by searching the internet for near-death experiences, which is their idea of an abduction. They haven't changed much in the last 4,000 years, except that they act nicer, and you really have to watch their words because they're skilled liars and get their way through emotional manipulation and glorious appearances. The person reporting the NDE will explain everything with the words 'love' and 'caring', then casually mention how the angels have slaughtered civilizations, then continue with the 'love' and 'caring' talk.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by DarkLord on Jun 22nd, 2006, 02:19am

Earth got the attential of the Extraterrestrial Community as far back as 400,000 BCE.

However... Extraterrestrials have been interacting with humans far less since 10,000 BCE or say since the last Ice Age had ended. Which was when atlantis sank into the Sea and many other things.

Now don't get me wrong they have been interacting with humans, just not as much as they once did.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 22nd, 2006, 02:50am

Back then, we were the intergalactic community - so it wasn't much of an issue. I guess it's more a matter of which stellar systems we were connected with during which time periods. Right now it's Sirius and Alcyone and mostly dangerous shady races from the Orion area.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 22nd, 2006, 07:10am

I'd just like to add, that real aliens are really very different from unreal aliens that way, that their thinking and interests are very different from ours.
So don't expect them to have real likes or dislikes for our favourite food, religion or physical theory.
They will never agree on being a part of our fairytails,
because the names, dreams , phanthasies and other exact information we think to have from them, are caused by physical interaction of very different shaped quanta of energies, which DO NOT translate themselves any correct way to the other side. So all it does, according to quantity and quality of their information field and other fields, that it accelerates your minds natural ability to create images of its own prefs,
and destructive images in the case, that your mental energy seems to be exhausted. Don't undervalue your mental ability to create images , because you are naturally endowed with pure intelligence.
The other beings mind is totally different as far as its contains and does not look like those legends of old which we all like to imagine. The legends are awoked in your brain in order to systematize the number of information you gathered under certain system.
The whole story seems to be about whose system is more complex.
Myself I dare to speak about it only after having direct experience, because there is a difference between direct insight and intelligent procession of data.
Please, don't mind my occassional jumps to the theme.

laugh E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 22nd, 2006, 08:07am

on Jun 22nd, 2006, 01:40am, DarkLord wrote:
What we consider "facts" are nothing more that popularly accepted accusations and theories which are proven to have so stand in accountability. And if you bother to ask a physicist, they will tell you the same thing.


I beg to differ here because if something is proven scientifically it is a fact. That fact could be amended over time but in that case it is called a "law" (Newton's Law, etc.) but if it has not been found to be fact then it is still just a theory. The only exception to that is if one, like yourself had an observation that cannot be had by science to test. Then that will be a belief for the individual who had the observation and a theory for science but it cannot become a fact.

Quote:
It's like putting your hands over your hears, in which insures you are unable to listen to any telepathic messages.


Well if that worked, I would have ear plugs in my ears 24 hours a day.

Quote:
However, don't expect that the extraterrestrials that you communicate with are going to communicate with you all day or night long.


Night and day, day and night. It's taxing, painful, draining and extremely exhausting and can happen 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The only break is the break between thoughts and sleep of course.

Quote:
The most I can manage before they pull the plug is roughly half an hour.


Don't I wish




Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by DarkLord on Jun 23rd, 2006, 05:02am

on Jun 22nd, 2006, 07:10am, Mewtwo wrote:
I'd just like to add, that real aliens are really very different from unreal aliens that way, that their thinking and interests are very different from ours.
So don't expect them to have real likes or dislikes for our favourite food, religion or physical theory.
They will never agree on being a part of our fairytails,
because the names, dreams , phanthasies and other exact information we think to have from them, are caused by physical interaction of very different shaped quanta of energies, which DO NOT translate themselves any correct way to the other side. So all it does, according to quantity and quality of their information field and other fields, that it accelerates your minds natural ability to create images of its own prefs,
and destructive images in the case, that your mental energy seems to be exhausted. Don't undervalue your mental ability to create images , because you are naturally endowed with pure intelligence.
The other beings mind is totally different as far as its contains and does not look like those legends of old which we all like to imagine. The legends are awoked in your brain in order to systematize the number of information you gathered under certain system.
The whole story seems to be about whose system is more complex.
Myself I dare to speak about it only after having direct experience, because there is a difference between direct insight and intelligent procession of data.
Please, don't mind my occassional jumps to the theme.

laugh E.


I'm sorry but you sound so much like an extraterrestrial would. Have we met before?

on Jun 22nd, 2006, 08:07am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I beg to differ here because if something is proven scientifically it is a fact.


No it is never a fact unless it can be proven to be true 100%. And most of our "facts", supposively proven scientifically later have... discovered contradictions... as our scientific understanding broadings and becomes much more... vast and enormous. But still... like any physicist would tell you... we know VERY little about this universe. We are like babies in the billions of years this universe has lived.

on Jun 22nd, 2006, 08:07am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That fact could be amended over time but in that case it is called a "law" (Newton's Law, etc.) but if it has not been found to be fact then it is still just a theory.


The law of gravity is still just a theory. It's a theory that goes well enough to almost exactly (like 99.999999999999999999999999999999%) fit in to being completely accountable. But there is much speculation from cosmologists and physicists that prevents it from being truely accountable.

on Jun 22nd, 2006, 08:07am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
The only exception to that is if one, like yourself had an observation that cannot be had by science to test.


You are aware that the science that is conducted must be performed under pure perfect proceedure. And in the great majority of scientific analysis they aren't. So how does one make a scientific hypothesis to become a law?

When it can become acceptable by the vast majority. That doesn't make it correct however and this is exactly what I was talking about.


on Jun 22nd, 2006, 08:07am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Then that will be a belief for the individual who had the observation and a theory for science but it cannot become a fact.


Nothing can become a fact unless... it has been founded to be 100% true. And with our primitive technology and understanding of the universe and inability to think outside of the box, we will never establish true facts about this universe.


on Jun 22nd, 2006, 08:07am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Well if that worked, I would have ear plugs in my ears 24 hours a day.


Ignorance is bliss when it comes to humanity.


on Jun 22nd, 2006, 08:07am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Night and day, day and night. It's taxing, painful, draining and extremely exhausting and can happen 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The only break is the break between thoughts and sleep of course.


Life is a challenge. If it wasn't we would all get too quickily bored with it. And thus life would not exist.



Don't I wish



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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 23rd, 2006, 08:40am

Oh, yes, 4 million years ago, but you won't recognize me . I am taking care of truth in the temple of emptiness, like to eat alien chocolates and scared to go to our human dentist, because it pains.
I look forward to going home of mine, one day.

You are chasing local girls, I suppose.

rolleyes E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 23rd, 2006, 08:40am

I'm becoming really annoyed, trying to figure out who exactly controls the Earth and what they are. The Angels the Reptilians and the Greys have been involved with our governments for thousands of years, however, when they mention their involvement with Earth's governments, it's always "we're attempting this" and "we're hoping for that" - they truly have no absolute say in Earth's politics and are struggling for whatever control they can get, infusing themselves into our society using extremely naive methods like DNA alteration and tenuous communication.

In fact they can barely even speak to us. It's not that they don't try; it's that our bodies are entirely geared to block us from outsiders. Life forms in general, for example, can communicate through telepathy. We should automatically sense what someone is thinking, but we don't, because our human forms are blocking these signals. We should be able to see angels and spirits without a problem, but we don't, because our eyes don't see the area of the spectrum they reflect.

Our very DNA is configured so we can't come in contact with the outside universe, and neither the Angels nor the Greys nor the Reptilians seem to have wanted this. They'd like to have direct contact, but our carbon/hydrogen forms have been altered to block us from outsiders, and somebody has been pulling the strings for perhaps hundreds of thousands of years, affecting our evolution and eventually spawning systems of control and governments. This force has been on Earth the whole time, and neither Jehovah nor Lucifer have been able to overpower it for control in the 10,000 years they've tried, if I'm correct.

As to who's running the show: Archeological records might give some clues. Before humanity worshipped any of today's gods - before we fought over Israel's and Egypt's and Greece's gods and others - people unanimously revered a single female Earth Spirit that preceded any outside forces. If this spirit is anything like Jehovah and the others, we may have a very local force controlling what really goes on around Earth.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 23rd, 2006, 09:49am

We have a very lively forum going on here. I've been a psychic all of my life. I am now 76 years old. When I was in my teens Angels used to appear to me as human figures, most of the time as biblical characters. When I grew older the same Angels came to me as intense and brilliant sparks of high energy electricity. I was not able to see Angels with my physical eyes but I had to experience them with my psychic "third eye".
I believe that Angels and UFOs appear to us at the level of our understanding and expectations. For instance, if you believe in a Christian religion they will come to you as Jesus or Mary. If you are a believer in the Hebrew religion they might come to you as Moses or another Hebrew biblical character. If you are a "sitter" in a seance circle they might impersonate your deceased relative. These appearances have happened to me in real life. Angels and ET's will take different shapes and forms and manifestations in order to communicate!

Some of us have not been abducted by ETs? Why? Do You know your history of your soul's incarnations and evolution? What is your "identity" level and frequency of being?

What do you think? Irwyn cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 23rd, 2006, 12:00pm

on Jun 23rd, 2006, 09:49am, timetraveler wrote:
When I grew older the same Angels came to me as intense and brilliant sparks of high energy electricity. I was not able to see Angels with my physical eyes but I had to experience them with my psychic "third eye".


I have seen one with my eyes while awake. It was a man, he looked like Khan, if you know who that was. Khan was a wise man from many years ago. In this vision I had, the man was made up of lights like neon lights. For instance, his legs were blue lights that formed the legs, and different lights formed other body parts, etc. However, Khan was already an important figure to me previously to this vision, which is why I always assumed that they were impersonating Khan. They've impersonated others too, and yes they most certainly delve into using religious figures.

When I told them that I wasn't falling for their gig, they stopped doing that and then I started receiving instead screen memories of human looking aliens.

Besides those kinds of experiences I've had, the one that stands out the most for me and I was in an awake state with my eyes open was one of the bright green, smoothed skinned, almond eyes, head the shape of a lime - alien. As he showed me himself, (he being an assumption since it felt like a male presence) he portrayed that of a physician of sorts. He was at first sitting on a rolling stool a few feet from me. He rolled over to the table I was lying on (the rolling stool being something we are all familiar with in a doctor's office). This table was a flat aluminum looking table - very narrow. Then, he was standing over me next to the table and I was looking back at his face and I was experiencing absolutely no fear. After that, he moved to another part of the room and purposely stood sideways so that I could view his profile. I could tell that he wanted me to do this. All along, of course, I'm receiving subliminal messages telling me these things. He had the typical skinny, appearance. He had his head up with his nose in the air like a snooty person would do and I was made to feel the feeling of intimidation very strongly. I could also tell that this was being done purposely.

In time, I realized that what he was doing (and others have done as well) was wanting to work on my negative emotional habits because I succumbed to intimidation very easily. They spent many years on such things with me - whoever they are. These would be the ones I speak to daily. Another problem I use to have was that I was an introvert and a turtle in a shell. Not really shy but not the least bit outgoing. I would speak when spoken to but not one to start up a conversation. Well, those things are all gone now. Actually, I think they went overboard because I am quite the extrovert and I not only do not experience intimidation, I don't take XXXX from anyone. lol

What I'm getting at is that aliens, angels and even human spirits sometimes spend a lot of time portraying someone else for many reasons. This also tells me that they probably do not look anything like their portrayal. Instead, we always get what we do not fear as to feel more comfortable. They're way ahead of the game and know already what we can and cannot accept in order to get something done. This is hard to define and the easiest way I can relay it in words is to say that we'll never know because they're that good.

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I believe that Angels and UFOs appear to us at the level of our understanding and expectations. For instance, if you believe in a Christian religion they will come to you as Jesus or Mary. If you are a believer in the Hebrew religion they might come to you as Moses or another Hebrew biblical character. If you are a "sitter" in a seance circle they might impersonate your deceased relative.


EXACTLY! These things have happened to me soooo many times that I believe that they are no more then fluff and stuff, which is what I call them. They never give me names so I name them. I've got a Hitler, Rose, Genghis Khan, Fluff and Stuff, Mutt & Jeff, Weeping Willow, etc. Each spirit, depending on it's nature and the duties it performs gets a name from me depending on how I'm treated. When they do the lab rat thing with me, that's the ones I call Hitler. They occassionally bring Weeping Willow in who draws tears. She is purposely there to make me feel like I have at least one person on my side and she really can draw tears. This is always at a particular time when I'll be experiencing a lot of fear due to what it is they might be doing. The tears release endorphins, which settle me down. See, they all have a part. And, now, they all have a name. Fluff and Stuff, by the way, are the ones that try to sell me garbage.

There are 16 total that spend time with me. It's a round robin thing where there are 4 on and 12 off.

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These appearances have happened to me in real life. Angels and ET's will take different shapes and forms and manifestations in order to communicate!


EXACTLY! Same here.





Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 23rd, 2006, 12:01pm

I have a story up on the board where none is going to enter. Except that it's filed in February this years reports under " Man relates encounter with spaceship in 2002." http:// www.ufocasebook.com/2002spaceshipencounter.html
If you like to read it, it's over there and it's not too mysterious. There is a lot about this favourite identity question and time-space travels.
It's meant for all beings, but should be viewed with pure eye and interest in truth, or rather not at all.
I think.

Peace to all
smiley E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 23rd, 2006, 4:07pm

ATO s' wink green aliens are completely different than mine. I don't think I would understand their behaviour. But they, the aliens, probably protect their human beings mind, so it develops peculliar character but doesn't change forever.
They do worse things to people yet and some of them end up in irreversible states. It's worth of attention to cope with aliens and keep healthy and happy life.
It's possible under certain circumstances only. Depends on keeping convention between both sides and some rules. There are probably as many rules as aliens. The basic rules in total nonviolence. Every violence spoils the whole problem. There starts the reason for more pain. The second rule is truthfullness to all sides, it helps to keep healthy mind.
You can continue ad infinitum, but you must be knowing them by yourself.
If you have visions, keep sleeping a lot, drink water and you will wake up happy after few days.
If you continue both working and imagining, it can't often end up by itself. So better to listen to ones' own body, speech and mind and give them, what they need.
I found that any alien contacts exhaust lot of subtle life energy , and the quality of your existence in large depends on presence and quantity of this energy.
You should take rest otherwise the body refuses to cooperate. Thus the inner energy must be finaly released.
I don't know it is understandable.

tongue E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 23rd, 2006, 5:09pm

Every soul has a "fingerprint" ID, based on the age of that soul and how many worlds it has incarnated in, and how much experience wisdom it has. The sum total of all of these factors equals its frequency value. For instance, in other dimensional worlds they do not have names ,or addresses, or telephone numbers, or Social Security numbers like we do. Each soul has their own frequency of "light", which is their individual identity. Are you able to comprehend this?
What do you think? Irwyn cool

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 23rd, 2006, 5:30pm

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When I told them that I wasn't falling for their gig, they stopped doing that and then I started receiving instead screen memories of human looking aliens.

Ha, jeeze. It's the same pattern I noticed in near-death experience accounts when I realized the angels are less than honest. The person having the NDE will go to a bright place and will talk with his favorite religious figure, but some people become suspicious and the religious figure confesses that it's an ordinary spirit changing form to 'make it easier' on the person. Right.

What's scary is how the person sees his deceased relatives. I wonder if they're fake as well. It isn't hard to impersonate someone else - a spirit's outer layer is a translucent membrane that can shift to any form, so they have no steadfast appearance they have to take.

It's pretty amusing when outsiders try to communicate. Their limited English leads them to act funny to convey a message, and that message is often stupid. Most outsiders are, frankly, dumb. Even in our ordinary lives, they get our attention using deja-vu phenomena, arranging for you to see a message twice within a few minutes. This happened to me last night when I was reading an article about chem-trails - http://www.rense.com/general69/chem.htm - which mentions Y2K several times and talks about poison sprayed in the air. When I finished reading, I happened to skim another forum where someone posted an out-of-place comment saying "How many bottles of water did you buy before Y2K? I can't wait for the skies to start raining fire! hehe" - http://dragon-tear.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5311 . It was one of those all-too-coincidental occurrences that gives you the feeling someone's trying to tell you something. In this case they're probably saying something about armageddon, perhaps conveying that it's being brought on by humanity. They're commonly spreading this lie so no one suspects them.

Atrueoriginall - did these beings you were with appear translucent? The usual give-away is that shape-shifter will look translucent, but it'd be interesting if they can look solid as well.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 23rd, 2006, 5:47pm

on Jun 23rd, 2006, 5:30pm, Zareste wrote:
Even in our ordinary lives, they get our attention using deja-vu phenomena, arranging for you to see a message twice within a few minutes.


Deja-vu is being suspected as nothing more then the filing cabinet in your brain being cleaned up. In the process of a deja-vu, your short term memories simply disappear and your long term memories that have not been accessed in a very, very long time are gone. If you visualize your computer defragging, it's somewhat like that. It starts at the beginning, goes in a circle and ends at the beginning. It's like a zip drive and it all happens in a fraction of a second, which all makes it appear that you've done this before or been there before - because you were, a fraction of a second ago.

This is what science is considering.

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How many bottles of water did you buy before Y2K? I can't wait for the skies to start raining fire! hehe" - http://dragon-tear.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5311 . It was one of those all-too-coincidental occurrences that gives you the feeling someone's trying to tell you something.


That's 'synchronicity' not dejavu. Very, very, very popular today. I experience it in my life many times through every single day.

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Atrueoriginall - did these beings you were with appear translucent? .


No. Not translucent. Ya know what I forgot to mention about the Khan looking being with lights for body parts -around him and near me were three big green fuzzy balls about twice the size of a basketball. I was told that they were protecting him.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 23rd, 2006, 5:57pm

on Jun 23rd, 2006, 4:07pm, Mewtwo wrote:
If you continue both working and imagining, it can't often end up by itself. So better to listen to ones' own body, speech and mind and give them, what they need.
I found that any alien contacts exhaust lot of subtle life energy , and the quality of your existence in large depends on presence and quantity of this energy.


What you say is very understated because it's so true but I can't do anything about it. I can't explain here and I probably will never explain why but just the same, my body is continually taxed and this is just the way it is. I am forever keyed up and a nervous wreck about it. I suffer physically constantly. More with some then others. They won't leave, so I'm stuck with them and in the interim, I do exactly what they don't want me to do. I do not watch television unless it's a poker game, I no longer read the newspaper, I spend my days doing pretty much absolutely nothing.

It would certainly be a lot easier if I could tell you what I can't ( and won't) but I'm not allowed to. I've tried and they hurt me.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 23rd, 2006, 6:24pm

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That's 'synchronicity' not dejavu

yes that's basically what I was saying, but figured 'synchronicity' isn't a very common term and people wouldn't get what I was talking about.

Interesting to know about those green orbs. An essential spirit is an orb shape, but those sound strangely big - maybe they're evolved differently, or just inhabiting forms that are also orb shaped.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 23rd, 2006, 7:23pm

Truth is not fact

Fact is not proof

Proof is not truth

It can be a truth that all men are created equal.
It is; however, not a fact that this is so.

It is a fact that thousands of people state similar beliefs on any
given subject. It is not proof that this subject is an indisputable fact.

Proof is what we perceive.
Truth is what reality is.

As a boy, the son of a pilot, I saw many UFOs. Most of which were just balls of light seen from a distance and describing strange
paths in the air usually seen from the window of a airplane as we
cruised at 30,000 feet.
There was one that changed me into a believer.   Following is my story. I was 12 and the episode was over in a matter of seconds.
While sleeping in my second story bedroom in Huntington Beach, CA. I was awaken by a loud thunder clap outside my window.
Since the head of the bed was against the window I turned
over and rose up on my hands and knees to look out at the storm.
I was puzzled, a single cloud appeared to be over the houses across the street from me. It seemed to be hovering over the house
directly across from my room and was just hanging there.
I had my windows open and thought it strange there was no wind and the thunder clap was not accompanied by a storm brewing in the night sky.
As I cleared my eyes of sleep a pulse of white light and streamers of lightning burst from the base of the cloud and climbed up and around the surface. There was no accompanying thunder and I was even more confused.
I sat up and leaned against the sill and watched the white light
turn to a red glow. The glow grew brighter and what appeared to be
an incandescent object shaped roughly like a cigar descended from
the base of the cloud.
It descended till it was just over the house across the street. It
was no more than a hundred feet from my window and a hundred
feet above the house. It was so big that if I sat back from the verge
of the window  I would loose the outer contours. Only by looking
out and up at the same time could I see the whole object.
The next instant there was a loud clap of thunder and the object
that had hung in the air seemed to transform into a long bar of red
light that shot off into the distance and turned abruptly up into the
sky disappearing into the night in an instant.
The air in my room seemed to be sucked out and the cloud that had been there was now just a wisp of mist swirling along the path the light had taken.
I was so excited I tried to awaken my brother.  I made so much
noise doing it I was grounded for a week and received a spanking
for my efforts. Being twelve and prone to telling tales and fanciful
stories I was dismissed outright by every one.
There were no other witnesses and no one in the neighborhood had heard a thing during that night. Since then I have seen my share of strange lights but nothing has ever come close to that experience.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 23rd, 2006, 8:00pm

Hmm, those cigar-shaped UFOs again. Sound like the ones mentioned in the Historical sightings thread that were seen during the Black Plague. I wonder why they'd use that sort of shape. Anyone have more info on these? There must be some kind of purpose to the cigar-like structure if they've been using it for over 600 years.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by roman on Jun 23rd, 2006, 8:07pm

Interesting stoty Woody I'd like to hear more if you have any. roman
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 23rd, 2006, 8:08pm

Now I want to express a few ideas I have on the subjects involved
in extraterrestrials and the possibilities of life in the universe.

First I think life is not only abundant in the universe, It is
pandemic.

I suspect it will be composed of the same genetic building blocks
of life as this planet we call Earth. I do not suggest it will be made
from carbon, nitrogen, and so forth but the same genetic material.  
The genes that form all life on this planet will be found in life
everywhere in the universe.

This is an out growth of studies done on the life forms of earth,
and the speculation that life may have been seeded here by comets.
Life seemed to spring from the earth in a huge explosion of
creation and diversity. I suspect it was the process of stellar explosions dispersing the substance of life throughout the galaxy that created us and all we see on earth. I base this on the fact that life can be found in every environment above and below the surface of our world. Life has been found in solid rocks and samples brought up from thousands of feet within the crust. It thrives in the depths of the oceans around thermal vents two miles deep. It is found in the core of nuclear reactors. It is found in the most toxic and deadly environments we can imagine. I believe we will find it even in the atmosphere of gas giants such as Jupiter and Saturn. It will be found in the deep freeze of comets, in the sulfurous lakes of Io, and on the moon of Pluto. It may not be animate or even complete genetic sequences but, I suspect, we will find the compounds and structures of life everywhere we look for it. The evidence seems clear by implication.

For intelligent life we have evidence of that here on earth as well.
There are many intelligent life forms on earth. We do not have
exclusive rights to that claim. Only that we are the ones that cover
the land and populate the globe in mass. The reports of UFOs and
the sightings of craft that appear to be controlled and constructed
dispute that assertion.

Allowing the government its claim to ignorance. Discounting all
reports of UFOs which can be explained.
We are left with an unalterable fact.
 
Hundreds and thousands of people all over the globe and down
through history have described apparitions and beings that are
intelligent, not human, and on this world.

As from where they originate I have no evidence. If the Government
or some other agency behind or beneath the government know, I can see no way we will be able to force them to reveal it.
It also seams that the ETs are of the same predisposition.
That is to remain  unknown and unidentified to the general public.

Although many people have reported to have received messages and conversed with the life forms encountered in their abductions or by other means, they inevitably recount something which contains
either assertions of beneficence or prophecies of doom.

The Aliens provide no proof and never allow those they have talked
with to return with concrete evidence of their encounters. I find
the tales these individuals tell suspect. Not in the respect of the
veracity of the individuals themselves but in that they may be
relating experiences that were scripted by those that abducted
them. Without some evidence to support their claims I choose to
remain unconvinced that their assertions are the unadulterated
truth.

I have heard many theories and read as many assertions that these
entities are from other worlds, or even deep within our own world.
None of these have been proved.

My own belief is that they might be from our future.   Consider
what you would be willing to do to insure your survival.

The idea of our descendants returning to retrieve materials and the
genetic code of their ancestors is intriguing to me. It explains a
great deal if viewed from outside or if you are convinced that we
will be the cause of our own downfall.

The aspect of historical visitations and the admitted influence of
these in the religious context lends itself to this idea as well.

It leads me to ask the following:  What if a future society was
desperate to survive their impending demise from an undetermined
cause? Might they be willing to meddle with their past in a last
ditch attempt to avoid the inevitable end?

Something happens or we manipulated ourselves to such a state,
sexual reproduction is no longer possible. The world is denuded of
all life. The resources are depleted so much that we no longer have
the ability to sustain ourselves. At some point the inevitable end was
realized and someone came up with the idea of preventing this tragedy from occurring by returning to the past and trying to change history so that the end we face in this proposed future could be avoided.

This premise is based on the reported evidence that sampling of
genetic material is the predominant experience of current
abductees. The historical record speaks of an attempt to teach and direct us.
Their influence in our past did not solve their problem. The end was
not avoided. The attempt to change the past was abandoned or at
least altered. Instead the retrieval of organic material and genetic
samples was substituted for the original plan of altering history.

My theory of time traveling descendants can be supported by these
things and accounts for many of the anomalous aspects of alien
visitation.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 23rd, 2006, 9:35pm

I am in a polific mood and will post this as a continuance of my last post.

The argument for ETs as aliens is good but contains a number of
flaws.

If aliens are using our genetic material to alter their makeup and
prepare the world for invasion or cohabitation my first thoughts
are proved and all genetic material is the same throughout the
universe. Aliens from a different world would not be able to
combine our genes with their own and hybrids would not be viable
unless genes are universal in nature.

If they are our descendants then the genetic manipulation and the
harvesting of human biological material takes on a more
understandable and scientifically believable scenario within the
context of our current knowledge base.

Livestock mutilations fits this theory. If we have denuded the
earth sufficiently. The extraction of blood and sexual organs from
cattle, and the mutilations of other livestock fits nicely with this
idea. Trying to sustain their lives by genetic cloning of food stocks they would need the organs removed in these unexplained mutilations.

Returning to the supposition that an attempt to manipulate our
past was attempted we have to take into account that it was only
in the ancient past that we were directed in our social and
religious tenants. The visitations and appearance of angels and even the birth of Christ can be Integrated into this theory.

If God was able to produce these miracles and direct our faith to
such a degree in our primitive past, why has he not provided us
with a continuing direction and intervention on behalf of our
salvation? Why has Christ and the angels stopped guiding us and
visiting us? Why have we been left to our own devices?

Could it be that we no longer see these things in the same way?
Could it be they are still here but are manifested as UFOs and
aliens?

Most people understand that there are instances in the record of
our past that are anomalous and unexplainable. Many have detailed
these anomalies and attempted to ascribe answers that fit the current scientific theories. The differing reports and historic record can all be defined within the limits of the theories proposed but to date no one has been able to combine all this information into a single concept and under the same heading.

I feel that there must be a way to connect all these things into a
story that makes since and includes all we know. This is the basis
for all scientific investigation and all we have gained in our understanding of the universe. I feel this is the best way to pursue my own investigations into the questions that plague me. The historical record for UFOs is evident all the way back to our prehistoric ancestors. These are just a few of over a thousand web sites that have pictures and corroborating evidence for my statement on this.

http://www.ufoarea.com/aas_ancientvisitors.html
http://www.dudeman.net/siriusly/ufo/ast.shtml
http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html
http://www.20kweb.com/clipart_ufos_03.html

I have seen the evidence that we were influenced in biblical times
and the appearance of angles and devils were the manipulations of
aliens. These are a few web sites that focus on religion and the
record of UFOs. Again there are thousands more.

http://members.tripod.com/~uforelie/
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/UFORC/ufo_religion.html
http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/UFORCE/page50.html
http://www.rjpublishing.net/intro.htm

Aspects of direction and influence are apparent in many of the
cultures spread throughout the world all occurring about the same
time. These are web sites that focus on the historical records. All
agree that aliens and UFOs have been here a long time.

http://www.rense.com/historic/hist.htm
http://www.rense.com/general16/histarnold.htm
http://www.ufoartwork.com/
http://www.texemarrs.com/111997/hidtru.htm

This appears to be evidence of a program to alter and direct us.
These things form a pattern and reveal a focus for this
manipulation and the influences these entities had.
The historical record supports a single theme for how we were
directed and the messages comprise a single focus for this
direction. I surmise these beings are interested in helping us avoid
Armageddon and are actively attempting to direct us to this end.
The question here is why do this? If they are from a different
world and one that is alien to us it is more likely they would want
the world for themselves and not be bothered with the primitive
life forms. They would want us to destroy ourselves and reduce the threat to their own colonization. This discounts aliens trying to help us.
 
If they want to help us why haven't they done so in the open and
landed in a public place where they could tell the world the truth?
If they are so far advanced and ascribe to a tenant that all
intelligent life is sacred and valuable? The argument for the
continued coverup and lack of open disclosure does not support
this.

If they were advanced aliens able to help us and reveal the truths
of our universe to support these things they should wish to do this.
If aliens wanted to direct us and give us the answers then Why
haven’t they done so openly?

The evidence suggests that they do want to help us.
Why then do so in such a clandestine way? Our history and
that of the entire world has pictures and stories all ascribed to Gods Spirits angles devils and natural forces intervening and directing us as a species toward adopting moral and social tenants that raise us from the animal prehistoric past of Cro-Magnon man to our current evolutionary state. the record of that time is only in the drawings found in caves. As we evolved into a higher social order and writing developed the record begins to take form in the accounts of gods and spirits. I suggest that we may have been genetically manipulated from our very beginning. Having achieve a greater evolutionary state where our minds could be engaged the program of influence changed.It is then that the focus was altered to direct us to greater leaps of understanding and directing us in our social growth.
As time progressed the influences on our religious beliefs and
social structures helped to build distinct successful cultures all
separated by distance and geography.

I wish to interject something here. As the evidence suggests we
may have been genetically manipulated and socially manipulated.
However even with all the influence and manipulation attempted on
us we still remain the same violent hunter gatherers we originally
were. We have never been able to rise above or remove our hunter killer nature.

Throughout history we continued to progress toward higher morals
and a greater understanding of the world and universe we live in.
However we continued to kill each other and much of our energies
are devoted to making ways to do this more efficiently.
Within the historical record all of the prophecies throughout time
and in every culture reported visions of calamity and Armageddon.
They speak of death and destruction on a global scale. The
prophecies all retell much of the same things in different ways. All
have this single fact in common. They are describing an end brought
on by ourselves or some calamity of heaven and nature.
If all these prophecies are information given to us by aliens? Then
how can they know what will happen in the future unless they were
from that future.

If they were aliens from a different world or solar system? They
must have a way to see the future and know what will happen. They
would have to be willing to devote thousands of years in an effort
to surreptitiously direct us throughout our history. They would
have to be willing to devote their own existence to doing this.
I see no reason that an alien race would be willing to devote so
much time and effort on a race of apes that have only recently
developed any true capacity.

Why do these things appear in our entire written history and as
drawings in caves made by Cro-Magnon man? What purpose could
drive an alien race to be so devoted to our growth and advancement
as to spend at least 30 thousand years in attempting to do so.

This does not speak of aliens at all. This suggests the ones that
would be most interested in directing us would have to be us.
It suggests that our descendants having reached their end traveled
back in time and attempted to alter the course of events and our
social development in order to alter the future that has begun to
die.The repeated accounts through time suggest that these entities
worked to mold us and direct us. As our technology progressed and
the knowledge of science and math gave us greater understanding
the attempts of these aliens shifted and changed to a more direct approach.

We had gained enough information and knowledge to know that
things in the air could be craft of some kind. These craft had to
have people/ beings in them. The technology was also providing us
with ever more deadly weapons and our understanding of the
universe was taking quantum leaps. It is only in the last century
that we have gained the ability to destroy ourselves outright.

The probable cause for Armageddon has been ascribed to the use of our nuclear weapons in a third world war. Many of the historic
prophecies describe accounts that resemble just such a
catastrophe. Nostradamus the most widely quoted profit has many accounts in his work that can be interpreted in this way.

I suspect as of yet we have not passed this time and possible
future but the likelihood is we are transiting the most dangerous
period now and the quatrains do say something about a threat of
nuclear war with the Arab and Moslem nations. We are currently
embroiled in the middle east and the possibility of nuclear
weapons being exchanged is high.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 23rd, 2006, 9:51pm

I did not want to cause alarm so take this to heart.

In our favor. We are able to deliver many more weapons and in a
much more accurate way. This does not mean that someone
somewhere can’t hurt us and has a way of delivering these bombs
to us here in the States. It only says we may not have as much to
worry about.

As the historical record is rife with images tails and prophecies
all of which can be ascribed to alien influence we must consider
how this relates to us today.

if the warnings and prophecies are from our future and contain real
information about our inevitable end the most likely people to wish
to avoid these calamities are the ones that have seen and been
through them.

This would be the people that came after us and now wished to
prevent these calamities from occurring. If these beings are alien
and we cause our own destruction in the future then why are they trying to prevent this?If they are alien and wish to help us? Why do it in such a extended program of manipulation? Why not just land and give us the information directly or in a world broadcast to all of our media?
They must be aware of our abilities in broadcasting and our
network of satellites would be a perfect way of doing this without
having to expose themselves to our weapons.The continued silence
and subterfuge on the part of the aliens speaks of a desire to remain hidden to the world population. Why do they wish to stay hidden? Why do they continue to appear and disappear without announcement of their intent and purpose. Why do they continue to attempt to manipulate us and perform genetic experiments on us.

I am only able to correlate the nature of this manipulation
throughout history as an attempt to teach and direct us. The
current aspects of manipulation and medical procedures suggests a
change in the focus of these aliens. A redirection in their attempts
to engage with us.

It is possible that the attempt to direct our religious and social
development was a success in that it forced great changes to
ripple through the time stream and our paths were redirected into
parallel realities. This did nothing but shift our current reality. It
did not change the future of those that had attempted the changes.
They continued to face their end and nothing they did in the past
would alter it because it is not their past but our reality they
change. grin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 23rd, 2006, 10:33pm

I am sorry if I am overwhelming you with all of this posted on top of each other but I felt I should reveal my theory as much as possable and hope others would acknoladge its merrets.
What I am posting are exerpts from my published essay and selecting them in sequence so that you will be able to follow my thought processes.
I continue with my thoughts on time travel.

I wish to clarify my view of time. If we start with the premise that
there are an infinite number of parallel universes then an infinite
number of realities exist. Now if a future society already doomed
were to try to alter their past then the world that developed from
their manipulation would by necessity be a parallel world. If
history did not happen the way it did, the sequence of history
would not progress to the future that these individuals came from
and would never exist in this altered reality. Thus their actions did
nothing to alter their reality. However, I believe they can alter our
reality.

I propose that history can not be changed in our reality.
If it were possible to change our own history then there would be
no structure to time and we could go back and kill our grandfather
thus causing our own death setting up some unending loop in time.
 
Only in a parallel reality could you do this but then you would not
exist in that reality. As you do exist then you did not change your
own history but one of the infinite other realities that co exist
through out time space.When you returned to your own reality
you would discover that nothing had changed and history was not
altered for you.
 
The fact that you killed your grandfather may have ramifications in
that alternate reality but your history would have no record of the
events and all would remain the same as it was before you
attempted the murder of your fathers father.

The math seems to confirm it. I refer you to a recent episode of
Megascience on the science channel, titled “Time Travel”. The
theories discussed and the evidence presented supports my theory
of the possibility of time travel and multiple universes. They also
discuss aspects of the grandfather paradox however I think my
reasoning hits closer to the mark.

I suspect this is why the attempts to redirect our social order was
modified and partially abandoned.

The recent reports from abductees suggests a shift from this
original plan to manipulate social development to the alternate
plan of genetic retrieval. The directions and influence of these
individuals in molding society to adopt religious beliefs and social
tenants is suggested in the patterns of their involvement and in the
messages they delivered.

Their subsequent lack of attention and lack of manifestations
suggest a change in plans and a disinterest in interfering with
society as a way to alter the future.  

I refer to the continuing abduction evidence .

Reports of biological samples being taken, forced or coerced sexual encounters, hybrid offspring, and the tracking of people over there life spans.

This is evidence of a species trying to alter their own makeup in
order to enhance themselves or possibly reacquire the ability to
reproduce in the way we do. The aspect of tracking people over
their whole lives can be due to the viability of the samples taken
or a wish to Identify specific genes, quit possibly direct ancestors
of those performing these retrievals.

The pattern of events is quite clear if seen as an attempt to
revitalize a dying race.

All the unexplained events, and their overall aspect reveals a
connection.

Some agency or entity is manipulating us for their own benefit. The
most likely reason I see is the desperate attempt to survive. The
evidence speaks of a race that is dying and needs to collect the
materials from a time before genetic science changes the world
forever.

Our history and that of the whole world suggests the deliberate
attempt, by these entities, to change our social conscience to avoid
calamity. The information given us by all the prophets and all ancient texts say we are headed for the end of the world.

The means of that end is not completely clear and varies from one
source to the next but all agree that the end will come.
The reports of world calamity are depicted and expounded on by
many of the abductees and writings through out history.
Religious writings from all over the world and warnings from
profits to the writings of lost civilizations predict a great
conflagration that consumes the world and all but a few who
inhabit it.

I have problems with predictions and from where they are
generated.

It is difficult for me to believe that people can see the future.

It is more realistic for me to believe they were given the
information by someone who knows what has happened having seen it in their own history.

Prophets through the ages have reported angels, and other ethereal
agents which have imparted this knowledge to them and left them
to act on it in their own fashion. Throughout the pages of the
catholic bible there are accounts of visitations and influence of
the prophets all scripted to direct history and man toward a more
civilized belief structure and social awareness. The same precepts
and theologies were disseminated throughout the world at about
the same time. The reports of abductees say that these assertions
are still being made. It is the aliens that are now trying to tell us.

I postulate that our future descendants having seen the past and
identified the crux points where and in which their reality ended
badly decided to try to influence their history.

This is one explanation that includes all the evidence and the
historical records as well.

Still we will not wish to believe that the end is immutable, and we
are directed from the future. I do not assert that it is beyond our
ability to change. Only that the future that harbors these aliens is
immutable.
I am done for the night and will post more if requested. I will also answer any questions or defend my theory if called to do so.
I hope you all enjoy my work and it inspires you to form your own questions. Please ask and I will help if possable and seek the answer with you if I can't.

Woody grin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 23rd, 2006, 10:45pm

Wow, messages are just flying by in this thread. Perhaps people with big articles like above (myself included) should start making separate threads so it's easier to sort through.

Anyway I dislike time-travel theories a lot - my opinions on the universe's structure go against it - but it's just my opinion. I thought I'd note something:

Quote:
The Aliens provide no proof and never allow those they have talked
with to return with concrete evidence of their encounters.

There's actually no amount of proof they could leave that would sway the people of the anti-alien belief system, and there is almost nothing they can do that Earth's thought-machine can't cover up. They could launch an all-out air strike on Earth's capitols and the governments would likely exterminate the threats, destroy most photographs, and blame it all on Al-Queda.

It seems to me that they're actually fighting to get our attention without getting killed. I'm not entirely certain, of course, but in abductions and NDEs, the aliens often reveal their plans and various secrets, and sometimes ask the person to tell others about them. Even the Greys seem to be infusing their DNA into our gene pool as though to make us more like them and more welcome to their presence. (sounds stupid, I know, but outsiders tend to be stupid)

The invaders aren't to be trusted, by any means, but I think the cover-up is mostly of Earth origin.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 23rd, 2006, 11:21pm

Hi Zareste


Thanks for responding positively.

I see your point and agree that the media and government are in cahoots covering their own asses. But !!! As I said an alien would be able to do more if they just co-opted our satellites and broadcasted their intent to the world on CNN.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 24th, 2006, 12:01am

Interesting possibility, but it sounds like one of those "aliens can do anything" ideas. They may not know how to interrupt satellites at all, or, the act of interrupting communication could break a treaty. It would definitely start an interplanetary incident and they would face consequences - Earth is not their playground.

Next you wonder what difference it would make - the station would simply halt the broadcast after about ten seconds when they spot the interruption, leaving the aliens no time to say anything useful, and later the media will say it was a sci-fi show that accidentally cut into the broadcast and that's the last we'd hear about it. The only people affected by the broadcast would be the ones who already knew about aliens.

I can't debunk the possibility, of course, but one should consider that aliens aren't an invincible all-capable force.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 24th, 2006, 12:02am

OK

I'm sorry I have one more thing to say about crop circles. Hope you don't mind? As I have dealt with the basics of my theory I feel a need to fill in some blanks.

Abductions, livestock mutilations, the continued harvesting of
genetic material, all these things are interrelated in one way.

A future that is denuded of self replicating life.
A world that has lost the ability to live without intervention.
An environment so controlled that all independent life is
nonexistent. A society trapped in a place that leaves no other recourse but to attempt to retrieve things that were lost.

Our current visitors are not willing to expose themselves to our
scrutiny and continue to harvest the materials of life from our
food stocks and our selves. If we wish to understand the reasons
we have to explore any and all possibilities and decide if the facts
fit the evidence.

Here is how these things fit to my construct:

Crop circles

From what I can discern about the prevailing theories they are:
 1. Formed by hoaxers.
 2. An artifact or some force of nature.
 3. The products of an “Alien” race trying to communicate.
 
I believe there are a few other ideas such as windows to other
dimensions, or the work of spirits and angels. These however have little to support them.

1.  Hoaxers

Admittedly some have stepped forward to claim responsibility but
the few who have revealed themselves cannot account for all the
crop circles around the world. They can only account for a small
percentage of the formations seen globally.

2.   Artifact or Force of Nature

I believe that to describe crop circles as an artifact formed by
some elemental force of nature is nonsense. Nature can not create
patterns of geometric, concentric, interlocking designs. These are
the product of some intelligence. Thus we can eliminate that as a
source.

3. The products of an “Alien” race trying to communicate

The circles and designs are formed by an intelligence and created
in many cases with a force that alters the genetics of the plants
affected. In my opinion, this is the most reliable method for
identifying a real crop circle from those that are hoaxed. The only
aspect of crop circles that can be verified by the scientific
community that is beyond our capabilities at this time is the
genetic alteration in these real crop circles. Experiments
performed by many universities have confirmed that this is one
aspect that tags a crop circle as genuine and not hoaxed.

There are many other telltale signs associated with the real thing,
but this is the one I choose to use as marker for truth and evidence
of some advanced technology used to create them.

This also connects crop circles to my previous assertions.
The prevailing theory is that this is a device “Aliens” are using to
attempt to communicate with us.

I have a problem with this.

If  “ I “ assuming the intent of the aliens, wanted to make myself
known or communicate with the inhabitants of an alien world I
don’t think I would go to the trouble of deforming crops on a world
wide basis drawing pictures in a symbolic language. Doing so in the
dead of night or the relatively uninhabited regions of open farm
land. I would use my advanced technology to broadcast a message to all the inhabitants in every language I had at my disposal.

I believe it is insane to think that an alien culture would go to such
extremes to attempt to communicate. In fact it can not be
communication in that sense.

Crop circles are pictograms described in our crops and fields. They
are left and no effort to make actual contact is attempted.

It seems more likely that these designs are for some other purpose
than as a means of communication.

Communication by definition is to attempt to EXCHANGE or impart
information, thoughts, or messages.

Certainly the pictograms contain information and are mathematical
in nature but the meanings follow no progression and the aspect of
imparting information is obscured by the unrelated aspects of each
crop circle.

If these crop circles are for communication, to impart information,
to open a dialogue, or to give warning then why are they so
cryptic? What purpose do they serve hidden in the fields and what message can they contain that can only be deciphered by mathematicians?

If I wanted to communicate with some one and could only draw
pictures. I would attempt to take someone and instruct him or her in my language and names for the pictures I draw. I would not leave them to be misinterpreted by people that had no understanding of what those pictures meant. I would attempt to instruct or at least identify specific meanings to each picture. I would give someone the ability to understand me by teaching them the meanings for my words and the things I draw.

It seems to me that we are mistaken as to why these things occur.
I know of only one group of formations that bears any resemblance
to an attempt to communicate. This example consists of a block of
figures that appear to show a genetic helix and human like figure
bordered by a frame of depressed vegetation.

The image was very similar to one we sent out in 1974 at the
inception of the SETI project. To my knowledge we have not had a
return radio signal and have not received a reply yet. That is unless you count this formation which only appeared once in 2001. This image was left in a field adjacent to the Chilbolton radio telescope in England. Investigators have not been able to confirm where this came from but suspect pranksters.
Full analysis with graphics and tables by Dr. Cornet may be viewed
at:  http://bcornet.homestead.com/files/Chilbolton/chilbolton.htm

I suspect we are again mislead by our hopes and dreams of an alien presence on earth.

If we take a step back and look at the crop circles as a part of
some other larger unknown plan then we may gain a new
perspective.

I have attempted to correlate many of the aspects of alien
abduction and cattle mutilation into a single theory. I predicated
this on a future inhabited by a race of altered people and
genetically sterile livestock. I proposed this as the underlying
reason for the continuing abductions and harvesting of biological
samples. I wish to now attempt to incorporate crop circles into
this theory.

If our descendants have destroyed our environment and consumed
all the resources beyond their capacity to sustain themselves. Then
crop circles fit nicely with the retrieval of material for the sustaining of a future unable to grow the food they need to live.

Instead of just taking large chunks of crops the circle makers are
altering the genetics of these crops and retrieving the basic
materials of these altered crops. The circles and designs are just
to disguise their true purpose which is the genetic manipulation of
these plants. The aspect of genetic mutation in the plants left
behind suggests that they were manipulated and altered by some
thing for some reason.

The pictograms may just be to cover the evidence of these crops
being harvested and altered for an environment that no longer
supports that type of growth. The variety of crops affected is
extremely wide and the aspect of the genetic alteration is evident
in every one that is considered to be a real crop circle. I suspect
this may be the connecting reason for crop circles, Aliens, and
cattle mutilations.
If you disagree then show me where I am wrong . I will be glad to hear what you have to say.

Woody rolleyes
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 24th, 2006, 02:03am

Connecting the dots.
I think I must clarify my stand on the subject of UFO’s.
I believe they are real. I believe they are constructed of physical
compounds and are peopled with beings that do not look like us.
I believe that people all over the world have seen, been abducted,
and manipulated for reasons unknown. I believe there is a government coverup and we as individuals are unable to access information that proves this.
As I have postulated one of the few correlated facts of all alien
encounters is their known attempt to manipulate and direct us.

Still the true purpose of this remains a mystery.

In a significant portion of the reported abduction cases the people
speak of receiving warnings and predictions of future events.
They recount directions they were given, and actions they have
taken to attempt to alter the course of time and effect the changes
needed to avoid the calamity described in their assertions.

The government is denying everything and misdirecting attention
from the true answers for their coverup. They foster the image of
ignorance and continue to assert their disinterest in the ufo and
alien reports.

Any one that can believe the government is not aware of the ufo
phenomenon is blind to the truth.

To date I have investigated over 10,000 pages of information
regarding coverups and government disinformation.  
A few of the sites I used as reference include :
http://www.geocities.com/kmtruth/
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/quote.html
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/framemst.html
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/videoclips/
http://www.unexplainable.net/nasa.html
 
There are thousands more and each has a collection of stories and
accounts that support the fact that there are craft not of this world,
and far out stripping our technology.
My investigation revealed the following:

1. There is a cover up by the government. No big surprise there.
2. The media is fed conflicting reports from  the government and
the people as well.
3. The scientific community is not willing to discus any anomalies
in the evidence without attempting to describe these things in a
mundane way. NASA being a government agency is circumscribed
by the need to maintain funding and thus must cooperate with the
coverup for the government.
4. No matter the evidence; all unidentified objects are dismissed
out of hand by the government.
5. Even when the government responds to intrusions of sensitive
air space or military bases the aliens can not be caught or identified
by the individuals involved.
6. Statements made by conspiracy theorists have no greater or
lesser validity than those made by the government.
7. Documents leaked to media and disclosed by individuals believed to have firsthand knowledge have all been discredited in some way and the question of the validity in the evidence remains
distressingly unconvincing. None of these people in the government or the public can give reasonable explanations that are consistent with all the evidence. It appears that everyone has a belief but none are based in a full understanding of what is in the evidence. As if no
one is able or willing to correlate this into a reasonable explanation
that fits all we know. Most, if not all, people act as if a single explanation is the true one.  In every case I can  point to evidence that contradicts their assertions.
 
The evidence is substantial that these things exist and the
encounters happen. The evidence suggests that these things are controlled and directed from an intelligence and awareness of our actions in attempting to identify capture or destroy them. The photographic and video evidence shows craft or objects which appear to defy the laws of motion and inertia.  Thus they exhibit control outside of nature. The objects have been seen recorded and reported throughout history.  They can be found in the writings of 1st century monks and are evident in the cave drawings of neolithic man. There is something out there and no one can say exactly what it is.
The government has fostered a belief that UFOs are nothing to
worry about since they can’t catch one and no one can produce
physical evidence of devices made from or by beings outside of this
world.

The population is saying we see things that do not fit our
understanding and the government is saying these are spurious
sightings of classified ships or craft that are vital to national
security.

The craft do things that no other conventional craft can do and are
often seen as glowing orbs of light that shift in color and phase in
and out of our existence.

Every chase or attempt to identify these craft only support the
idea that these things are not of our current technology and beyond
any aircraft we currently have in our arsenal.I have seen film from the shuttle program that looks like a craft gliding above the earth in an arc which followed the contour of our globe and a streak of what has been conjectured to be a burst from a pulse weapon which attempted to destroy this craft.

I have tried to view this as what the scientists at NASA describe
to be ice particles caught in an instant of reaction to attitude
thrusters.

I cannot bring myself to accept this.
The actions of these particles do not appear to be in response to
the thrusters. They move prior to the flash of thruster gas and
travel in opposition to the thrust that was applied by the jets.
I believe this is video footage of a craft that was tracked and
targeted. The streak of amorphous light energy that transits the
point that the smaller, brighter object was about to intersect was
a weapons discharged from the surface by persons unknown.  I
believe it was an attempt to destroy or damage the object that was
targeted. The smaller white object is seen making an abrupt reversal and change in trajectory away from the path that this streak of light takes and does so as if anticipating its point of intersection.
It is only after this that the control jets are fired and we see the
light from their ignition. There are countless other instances of craft or objects describing radical course changes and appear to be controlled because of them.
The evidence is substantial that these craft are real and
controlled.

Everything the government has collected in the past 60 years is
held as top secret and is not something we can gain access to.

If I were the government I would keep this secret.
I would make every effort to back engineer these things and
discover their secrets. In this I agree with the government about the need for maintaining the secrets as long as possible. The outrage of some individuals at not being trusted with the information is understandable. However I feel it is unreasonable to demand that we disclose information that could be used against us.

Although the fall of the soviet union and the end of the cold war
has provided us reason to think we can now stop with our clandestine work on weapons and aircraft. I feel this may be premature. We are still faced with enemies all over our globe and we, as a nation, are not omnipotent and indestructible. We are just the most advanced nation on earth at this point and not assured of keeping this advantage yet.

It is argued that we can dispense with the secrecy on this subject
but we have seen over and over in our history that those who have the greatest knowledge, and can keep their secrets longest, have the greatest chance of winning in any conflict.

The public has gone uninformed of the true purpose of this
coverup and believes there is no threat to revealing this
information. I propose the government believes we are threatened by these alien craft and the beings in them. I propose that the government is actively working to defend us from these aliens. We have been in an escalating conflict that began after WWII and
the discovery of downed craft in Roswell. Up to that point we did not have anything to work with and our enemy was a total enigma to us. Up to that time all we had were reports of our pilots and soldiers
who saw and encountered these things in the skies over the whole
world. Since we were involved in a world conflict of our own making, the focus was on identifying which, if any, of our enemies might have
created these things. They could not be ascribed to any terrestrial government of the time. The technology was so far advanced to our own that it was inconceivable that someone of this world could create them.

Only after the crash in Roswell were we able to get a look at the
substance of these things.

Things that moved so fast and maneuvered so quickly they surely
could destroy us if they were used in an offensive way.

After this time the government had its first piece to work with in
order to attempt to understand what it was we faced from these
beings and craft.

The lid was slammed down on this information just as we did with
the Manhattan Project. Aliens and these craft were the most
threatening thing we could possibly contend with. They could not be
defeated by the technology of the day. We did not know what they
were made of how they moved what powered them and who were
controlling them.
 
The story of Roswell is so often retold and reexamined the
evidence has been obscured by time and mythology.
I choose to take only what was reported in the one time radio
report that a local farmer had found a crashed disk like craft and the
military was called in. The descriptions of the material associated to first hand statements of Major Marcell. and the subsequent substitution of a weather balloon photographed with the major. No reports of bodies or beings can be supported by more than circumstantial evidence of a local undertaker’s account of child sized coffins being bought or commandeered immediately after this occurrence.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 24th, 2006, 02:09am

to go on.


By the statements and evidence I cite here we can say for sure that
something crashed in the deserts of New Mexico. The debris was
collected and taken by the military. If bodies were found, they
were taken as well. The government  decided that this was of extreme concern to us and presented the public with an opportunity to discover what it was that threatened us. I suspect the thinking was similar to what was ascribed to the war time enigma machine and our own advances in radar and computers.
This information was needed to defeat the Germans and Japanese.
Only those that needed to know were let in on the truth and every
effort was made to keep from revealing that we had captured their
machines and code books. The government hid the fact they had developed technology that was able to decipher coded messages in realtime, and possessed a way to see further than any man could with his eyes alone.
I suspect the government decided that we had to keep the
information about the crash from the public but also keep it from
the aliens as well. The greatest advantage we had was in knowing what these things were and not revealing this to the ones who threatened us.
As we have progressed in our technology we have made astounding discoveries and the pace of invention has accelerated to a point of near frenzied activity. I suspect that the cold war and the threat of nuclear annihilation served two purposes. First it defended us from aggressors bent on world dominance and also gave a way to cover up the technology we were discovering in back engineering the recovered craft.

The aspects of government coverup and military weapons programs
is significant. The weapons are in fact real and designed to deal with the terrestrial threats. The black budgets and secret programs of this endeavor serve as a place to hide the UFO and alien studies. It serves in both keeping us ignorant of what is going on, and obscures our intent from beings who might seek to stop us if they knew.

The cold war is a perfect analogy to this as it was the fear that we
could and would do something in reprisal that stopped the Soviets
from attacking us. The unknown aspect of our technological
advances kept the Soviet Union at bay and unable to act for fear we
might have something to overmatch them.

As I see it, the aliens have been doing as they like for centuries
with the self assurance of their superior technology to keep them
invincible and above those they chose to manipulate.

By all accounts we have been directed and manipulated through our
whole existence. It was only in the middle of the last century did
we achieve a state of technology able to threaten ourselves with
complete destruction.

Until this time the historical record speaks of aliens, gods, spirits,
devils, and a variety of meteorological or elemental forces of
nature providing direction and manipulation of our existence.

These things all direct us to adopt more advanced moral concepts
and provide a guide toward improvement. The overall aspect of the
influence on our societies was a net positive effect.

Only after the discovery of the hydrogen bomb did the aspect of
alien visitation change from a simple attempt to inspire religious
beliefs or advanced moral concepts to a program of abduction and
genetic/biological experimentation began.

It was in this atmosphere of fear and threat of world destruction
that the government was faced with a new threat. The aliens that
to date, had not been willing to expose themselves began a more
intensive program of abduction and interference with the actions
of our populations and government. They were flying over secret bases and interfering  with our electronics and weapons. This action scared the government even more and reinforced the impression there was a threat against which we needed to be defended.  

The government abandoned their attempt to satisfy the public and
declared there was nothing to fear.

All along they redoubled their efforts to discover ways to defeat
this threat.

They are still afraid and are still working to solve the problems of
defending us from these aliens. They can’t reveal what they know
because they don’t want the aliens to know that we know.

The aliens know we are trying to counter them but continue to  
believe they have the advantage. The aliens are aware we know
they are here and are interfering with us. They know we have
material taken from them and have used this information to
discover things about them that are helping us to develop
defenses to counter them.

They are not certain what knowledge  we have and do not know if
we would destroy ourselves if they tried to forcefully control us.
We might just unleash the weapons we have and destroy everything.

They continue to take people and the genetic materials of this
world but no longer attempt direct social intervention.

The current selection of videos leaked to the public from the space
shuttle program show what appears to be a craft that is shot
at. This tells me that someone is aware and attempting to destroy
or scare off these craft. If a craft is seen in orbit or transiting our close space it is fired on and driven off.

It has only been after the inception of the Star wars defense
program proposed by President Reagan that our science found
weapons able to threaten these craft.

There will be those that say we have aliens in our custody and have
done experiments on them. That we are actively engaged with these
aliens in an exchange of information for access to the population.
That the government is in fact working with the aliens to depopulate our world or control the public for nefarious purposes.
I do not see this as very likely. The evidence does not support it.
 
These people will cite reports by  Mr. Bill Hamilton. His reports of
J-rod (an alien in U.S. custody) are based on his association with a
now dead biologist that worked for the government in the later half
of the last century. This is his account of aliens held in basses underground at aria 51 and in other locations around the country. He is cited every time the subject of aliens cooperating with the government is addressed. After reading a dozen documents
published by Mr. Hamilton I began a search for the reference material that he cites.
In my investigation I found many reports that cite this document :
“Q94-109A”. I found what appears to me to be the first mention of this document at this web page:
http://www.angelfire.com/pe/peter7/project_otus/DanB.html
 
Dr. Dan Burisch and Q94-109A Dr. Burisch (Dan Crain, Ph.D.)
authored document Q94-109A.
by M. McDowell, B.S., M.A.
 
The author had to take her hand written/tape notes and transcribe
them while spending many hours in the library looking up medical
terms. She is the one who wrote this and not Dan Burisch.
 
This document Q94-109A details the work done by Dr. Dan Crain
(Dan B Catselas Burisch, Ph.D.) . It appears to detail the sampling
and research performed on extraterrestrial tissue obtained from a
live source. The aspiration samples were gathered and evaluated by Dr. Crain in his capacity as a microbiologist for the United States Navy.
 
A quote ascribed to Dr. Dan Crain in reply to a question about
aliens:
  " You see, 'they' are on an evolutionary downturn. Their entire
genome is becoming defunct. My job was to back engineer their
neural cells - really small microglial tissue."
 
This is suggestive and would fit my theory of a future dying and
the aliens returning to retrieve genetic samples.
 
The author: M. McDowell,  goes on to say she obtained the
document Q94-109A in a fax she received which describes Dan's
interaction with the extraterrestrial that is known as Captive,
 
She says she showed Dan a copy of the document, with his
signature and a verified alternate source of his signature. Dan
demanded to know where she had gotten the document, went white
as a sheet , started to sweat and refused to make any further
comment.
 
The rest of the text that follows is a extremely complicated
document that attempts to suggest that alien biological samples
had been taken and a great deal of work performed in an attempt to
combine the alien DNA with Human DNA. This suggests that at the least we are engaging in a program that seeks to combine alien DNA and human or define the possibilities of this. I can not discount the document and its assertions
and think it supports my theory well enough to say it might be proof of my assertions. The fact is this document was a poor quality Fax sent to a known UFO investigator and author. There are also other considerations as to its validity.
Poor quality in the text reproduced can be seen as made from a bad
original and places some doubt as to its authenticity.
It does not invalidate the content. It only says that it may not be a
single true government communication, or may be a construct of
pieces from a much larger document.The reported source in the heading of this fax can not be found and the sender has since dropped out of sight. All reported attempts to reestablish
contact have also failed. The assertion of the author is that this individual has been neutralized by agencies of the government. Dr. Dan Crain (Dan B Catselas Burisch, Ph.D.)
is reported alive and retired. The most complete source I have found is this site:
http://eaglesdisobey.org/library/index.html

I chose to take this as evidence however questionable that I may
have a sound basis for my theory.
 
In this document, some agency of the government is experimenting
on aliens or at least biological samples. It does not give us where
these samples were acquired other than a reference to a captive.
 
I believe the subsequent stories of J-rod as the alien held captive
are anecdotal. I have found no other documents that can support any
other conclusions. I have contacted Mr. Bill Hamilton but to date he has
been less than forth coming on this topic.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 24th, 2006, 02:18am

you may want to make your own thread
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 24th, 2006, 04:11am

I still don't know, how could you possibly believe it, unless you saw yourself , I mean, yes, you could believe it, but you ( you means anybody else ) will be misinterpreting the facts same way as everybody does.
Because what is presented on public is not neccessarily the fact, there are thousands of controversial theories on the subject and if someone is willing to relate his observation, preventively he is not believed.
So the gap between you and me is simillar like between one who learned all about cakes from books, but never ate any.
There are things we know to be truth from our experiences, and that is not to undermine modern physics and related sciences, but lot of knowledge is there already. And if you ask where, it is with different people, many people, but they are all scared to say single word. Because you, I mean someone else, would kill them with facts and theories of those who never saw anything.
Perhaps you should listen to people who have seen some E.T.s and they would tell you about the truth.
And you can forget what you learned at school because they can teach you the same amount of knowledge in few minutes. And explain you why those E.T.s are here, why we can not talk to them etc.
They are no way same as we'd like to see them.
They are somewhat humanlike, but have different mind,
nature and source and same way you can't understand mind of your dog, there is no interspecies communication possible unless you stand on very high evolutionall level.
In whole Universe, there are infinite spaces endowed with living creatures, but no way we are in the middle, this shows you didn't see it from above.
Life for sure is extremely good and created with a purpose, if you call it God, your pleasure, but let Him be a God of all beings. We all suffer here by being heavy , bent heads, low minded and chained , but truth is greater than the greatest of our imaginations.
If you don't know, you will guess. And truth is behind all these stories and will stay there untill the ends of time.

smiley E.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 24th, 2006, 07:53am

on Jun 23rd, 2006, 11:21pm, woodgnome49 wrote:
Hi Zareste


Thanks for responding positively.

I see your point and agree that the media and government are in cahoots covering their own asses. But !!! As I said an alien would be able to do more if they just co-opted our satellites and broadcasted their intent to the world on CNN.

Woody


And they probably will.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 24th, 2006, 08:58am

on Jun 23rd, 2006, 8:08pm, woodgnome49 wrote:
The Aliens provide no proof and never allow those they have talked with to return with concrete evidence of their encounters. I find the tales these individuals tell suspect. Not in the respect of the
veracity of the individuals themselves but in that they may be relating experiences that were scripted by those that abducted them. Without some evidence to support their claims I choose to remain unconvinced that their assertions are the unadulterated truth.


woodgnome49 - How I wished you lived where I live. You would only have to spend one day in my home and you would be tagged yourself. Overnight, your ideas and thoughts would do a 180.

Evidence is only given to the experiencer. It's obvious that we cannot prove our experiences. I gave up a long time ago trying because it did two things. It made me look like a nut case and I actually lost friends because of it. Well, here I go again because it is painful to read the above quote.

Below are just a handful of my visions in an awake state, and not asleep in REM state.

Beyond the visions on this page I have described what takes place with me physically while observing.

VISIONS - all are metaphoric and while awake - THEY ARE NOT DREAMS AND I AM NOT SLEEPING
The numbers of visions I have had are too multiple to mention but I am going to try my hardest to post every single one I have put to paper and recall the others that I have forgotten.

The visions I have had from 1997 to date number in the hundreds. Because they continue today, almost on a daily basis I have instead mentioned only the ones that sort of tell a story concerning them. What I have not done yet is put to paper their metaphoric or symbolic value, because it is only then will you understand the true meaning of the vision. Many times the symbolic value of the dream pertains to my own personal life but not always.

Anyone wanting to reply to the metaphoric value please do so. I have tons of notes on them but I like to hear other's ideas, which is another reason that I have yet to post my thoughts as to not confuse yours.

Vision (awake state) eyes closed and seen in my mind
In 1998, I was again in a place not of this earth when a very tall woman (alien) got out of a vehicle and walked over to an area where people were dancing. This was outside on a concrete platform. The woman had started to dance not realizing that her skirt was stuck in her underwear and I felt embarrassment for her. I could feel that I was looking at her through the eyes of another alien as he watched her dance. The embarrassment I felt was actually the embarrassment he felt for her. This alien I have seen in other visions and dreams and he is of the green skinned type with the typical almond shaped eyes, however, his head shape was that of a lime with a slightly rounded area where the temples would be located. This vision was 100% visible and one of the best ones I have ever viewed in respect to quality.

Vision (awake state) eyes closed and seen in my mind
In this vision I was somewhere I had never been before. There were hangers like airplane hangers everywhere. There were a couple of large trucks that I knew were fire trucks but they didn't look like our fire trucks. There were a bunch of ET's on them with hoses in their hands and there was fire coming out of the hoses (instead of water) and they were trying to hit me with the fire from the hose. I kept running and jumping over things to get away from the fire. (Maybe means fighting fire with fire or fighting the fire with fire)

Vision (awake state) eyes closed
In 1998, while living in Long Beach I just layed down in my bed and was prompted to open my eyes. The form of an extra terrestrial was standing next to my bed. I sat up and realized it was not an extra terrestrial in the body but rather in the spirit. The spirit portrayed a great fear of me, which I found very odd since "I" should have been fearing it and not the other way around. It walked away through my bedroom door and I layed down to go to sleep as if nothing mattered. You have to realize that after so many years of this the excitement goes away.

Visions (awake state) eyes closed
The first vision I ever received in my life was in January of 1997 at age 45. I was lying on my bed awake and I saw a brilliant three-dimensional crystal owl with many colors. It was slowly rotating and the vision lasted as long as I wanted it to. I stopped looking at it after probably 10 minutes or more.

Vision (awake state) eyes closed
This vision came around the same time as the ET fire truck vision. I was watching a man who was an ET but had the body of a man roller-skating on blades on a tarmac at a place where UFOs land. He skated to a big brick structure. It was a school and he skated through the school. (He skated through school) I think it meant.

Then I was in a hallway of the school and there were a bunch of boys about the size of teens who all looked identical and all had the same identical clothes on. (Reminded me of "The Boys from Brazil"). They were all standing around a big can like you would burn weeds or rubbish in outside. There was nothing burning in it though. Another man came into the picture (a large man) that didn't look like them at all. He looked very human and even a bit overweight. I was made to feel that he was "phat" not "fat". He had a white glove on his right hand only and he ran it across the inside to make sure that there was no soot.

*Re: "I felt someone tell me" These are not always words spoken in my ears or in my mind, but rather sometimes they are feelings that represent words. It is really hard to define this unless you have experienced the same. They are more often then not like words but no words are spoken is about the best I can say. This is why I say, "I felt someone tell me". Sorry, tough one to define. This also happens to me occasionally just through the day and not necessarily with a vision or a dream.

Vision (awake state eyes closed)
My most intense vision was in 1998 in Long Beach, California. I was awake, lying on my couch just resting with my eyes closed and suddenly I saw an extra terrestrial appear sitting on a metal stool next to me. The extra terrestrial rolled over to where I was, (which had to be in a lying position) and stood over me and just looked at me. I felt tremendous emotion but not that of fear. The ET then moved to another part of the room and I saw him standing sideways. The ET did this purposely wanting me to view his profile for some reason. I have never seen pictures of such a shape of an extra terrestrial. This head is different then all others and is definitely lemon shaped and real profound. I cannot duplicate the eyes for they are nothing I have ever seen before either. The green cannot be found. The color of his skin I have never seen before in anything. The closest description I can give it is "day glow forest green", which sounds impossible for anyone who mixes colors. It is impossible to do since if you add forest to day glow the day glow is gone. Very dark/bright emerald looking. The body was the typical skinny structure with no clothes. He made me feel quite intimidated during the vision.

Vision (awake state eyes closed)
Yesterday, Nov. 24, 2004, I had a vision that was somewhat different without the use of people. Awake, I was viewing what appeared to be a bunch of small parts and their schematics. All of these small parts eventually manufactured a large machine of some type. I couldn’t read the words on the schematics because the font was extremely small but I could tell that there were words. You will have to visualize a sheet of paper with a bunch of small parts being assembled on this paper and the picture of each part keeps changing until eventually it is met by another part that it is then connected to. That part is then connected to another larger part and so on and so on. I could have looked at this vision for hours because it would not go away unless I opened up my eyes, which I finally had to do and I walked it off. The parts and schematics were as ink on the page, not mechanical parts sitting on a piece of paper.

Continued................


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 24th, 2006, 08:59am

In these visions I am just resting with my eyes closed or open, but never asleep. The visions come on a daily basis and started at age 45 while living in a remote area of Apple Valley, California in the high desert. Many of my visions are lengthy and appear as if they are being projected through my eyes and off of the insides of my eyelids. It is as if my eyelids are a theater screen. Many times though, I sense that somehow I am seeing these picture with my mind and not viewing them off of the inside of my eyelids.

I still have visions today regularly. Occasionally, I have visions that appear to be seen upward in my mind at the forehead area. I have not had one of these types in many years though. These I can only describe by saying that I close my eyes and look upward and it feels like I am seeing a vision on the inside of my forehead even though I know I am not since that sounds a bit impossible. This type of vision is extremely large though and always quite clear.

Most of my visions are of people; however, some are cartoon characters that are acting out parts in a movie. As a matter of fact, most of my visions are people or characters acting out parts to a movie or a play. These are like reality shows and I am seeing every day people (humans) as the characters, in every day life scenario situations.

Many visions I receive do not go away until I stop looking at them. After 9 years the long ones have actually become very redundant and bore me to the point that I just get up and go do something and they go away. Most all visions dry out my eyes to the point where there is no moisture and I have to blink a lot to get moisture back. This is similar to what happens to your eyeballs after staring too long into a computer monitor but worse. Other visions I have are interesting but not long enough. All visions are very well prepared, however a handful are blurry and not clear enough to see. More importantly, all visions have a pin light in them like a tiny flashlight in the middle of the picture. Often, this light obstructs some of the vision.

More recently while getting new glasses I was told that my eyes are severly dry and was directed to use a lubricant and immediately because of the exceptional dryness.

My visions are high tech in respect to quality and length. What I see are many steps above what we see in dreams. It is like watching a television show on digital and the screen is in your face. Everything is in color. I have never had a black and white vision. Well, I have to take that back now since more recently I received a black and white vision, which I'll post later on. Many different kinds of aliens are in my visions and dreams, but I had never been into alien stuff. The extent of my interest in aliens was the movie Contact and the movie ET and that is about it. I was never an alien or Roswell buff or anything like that.

Honestly, sometimes I visualize a transmission of some type. Sounds crazy but think about it for a moment. We can transmit today by cell phone. An implant could make it very possible for them to transmit by some similar means. This is how I feel that I receive my visions. Those "sticks" could be just that. Immediately upon receiving the "sticks" it sounds like an extremely tiny piece of Velcro being pulled apart in my brain. After the vision is over I hear that Velcro tearing sound again in my head. It reminds me of a disconnect of some sort. It also reminds me of two hot wires tapping each other. Another description would be that of two people talking on radios and one clicks in to talk to the other. That sound on the radio from someone clicking in is exactly what I hear but considerably quieter.

I have the above suspicions because right when they begin with their "sticks", I have a burn in my head in the area of the "stick" as if someone just touched me there with a hot match that they just blew out. The pain of the burns subsides after an hour or so of them stopping a vision. Furthermore, and on a daily basis, I can remove tiny little scabs from my scalp directly above the area of my brain where I felt the burn from the "stick".

Each time I have a vision both temples are tout and I have pressure like one would have if you pressed your thumb as hard as you could in that area. This pain subsides as soon as a vision is over. As well, I feel great pressure in my eyes. Sometimes it is so great it feels like they are bulging outward away from my eye sockets. When the vision is over or I walk it off, my eyes go back to normal and the temple pain completely disappears.

Frequently, and just previous to a vision, I have what feels like a needle going into my left armpit. It feels as if something is moving into my armpit and going directly to the center of my chest. I experience nausea for a few moments but it goes away quickly.

Occasionally I have what feels like a small needle going into my neck at the top of the spine near the brain stem. Also, and quite frequently I have that similar small needle going into my head on both sides above my neck. Mostly, however, I feel more of the same (I call them sticks) on the right, left and forward parts of my brain. They go in and they come out shortly thereafter. These sticks are short lived, maybe a few minutes. There is not much pain involved with anything in this paragraph, I just know it is happening and I feel something and usually get nausea. When the sticks are in I immediately experience a degree of de-realization and I then I experience great fear and I imagine adrenaline secretions as well.

Once in my bed I felt like something was going into my nose and then I smelled what smelled like solder burning. I have since found something in my nose and I can push on it and it feels like a small piece of metal. This I need to see an ENT for soon.

Unusual experiences (Neither dreams or visions)
Nov. 25, 2004, I was in my car coming home from town and I was stopped at a stop light. Trying to relax a little I sat there staring at a tree across the street from me. The leaves were almost gone from the branches. I realized that each branch had a green light running along it. It was like a bright green shadow that ran along each branch. The traffic light changed and I continued down the road. About two blocks further I was seeing purple lights as shadows on every thing. Every morning when I wake up I have a jillion lights all over every thing I have to look at for a couple of minutes. It is as if they were preparing a vision however I only had the color and not the picture.

Unusual experiences (Neither dreams or visions)
Once living in Long Beach I had something come inside of me that did not allow me to touch anything. This one made me feel like everything in my kitchen was full of bacteria, maggots, lice or cockroaches. (Like what happened to Howard Hughes in real life). I cannot remember what it is called. I had this intense feeling of love inside me though. Found that strange. It lasted for maybe 30 seconds or so and then went away.

Unusual experiences (Neither dreams or visions)
Because I cannot stand noise after just waking up and especially the sound of a television in the morning, I NEVER turn on my television in the mornings. Something "prompted", "pulled at me", (whatever you want to call it) to get up out of bed and go into the living room and turn on the TV. It was about 6:00 a.m. I turned on the TV only to witness the second jet crash into the twin towers "live". Something I know I could have lived without seeing that day.

Unusual experiences (Neither dreams or visions)
My child has times when she walks into my room crying and says she feels scared inside for no apparent reason. She can be watching the Disney Channel and all of the sudden this will happen. She never watches scary things on TV for all the same reasons so I know her fear is not from television. She often has very vivid dreams that she tells me about daily and nightmares as well. She frequently walks in her sleep. Once she walked out the front door and I caught her doing so. We have 28 steps right outside our front door. I had to barricade the front door for quite a few weeks before I went to bed so that she couldn’t open it at night. Her night terrors and walking in her sleep completely disappeared and I believe it is because they realized that they almost hurt her seriously.

And no, I do not use drugs or drink alcohol at all. Give or take a couple Ibuprofen accordingly.

I further believe that through abduction, aliens are making it possible for many of us abductees to experience the spirit whereas we could not previously. I mention this because the "unusual experiences" I mention above excluding the visions are that of the human spirit and not aliens.

Looking at these visions on paper just now and so you get the gist as to the inundation, this is probably only a weeks worth of visions and I've been having to look at them for 9 years. My dreams are as well constant, very vivid, I can remember all of them well and just more of the same. Like I said previously, I have many, many more written down in their entirety and still need to post them.

Many times I feel like my home is the big top, my bedroom is the ring and I have nothing but clowns around. I really hate clowns.

I'm going to edit the 9 year thing here because it is now over 10 years and counting.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 24th, 2006, 09:38am

ATO, have you ever tried to get rid this whole vision situation? Have you told them to leave, go away, scram? If they did leave, you would probably miss them though. I have never heard you say that you wanted them to go away. I'm just curious here.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 24th, 2006, 10:10am

on Jun 24th, 2006, 09:38am, Star wrote:
ATO, have you ever tried to get rid this whole vision situation? Have you told them to leave, go away, scram? If they did leave, you would probably miss them though. I have never heard you say that you wanted them to go away. I'm just curious here.


EVERY WAKING MOMENT - I've begged, prayed, asked and cried every day and throughout the day - it's not going to happen. They have told me time and time again that this set up with me and in my brain and body is too primo for them to let go.

It's what they are doing and WHY they are doing it that is what I never talk about. I avoid ridicule anymore and just omit it. I know what and why, which makes total sense to me certainly since these are my experiences, but for most everyone else, they won't believe me so I just keep it to myself now.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jun 24th, 2006, 11:14am

People dont realize, that we have tried just about everything under the sun to keep them away. Its not that we lack faith, or dont pray or dont call on the name of Jesus or call on what we believe on. We can yell at them to leave, we can beg them, we can fight (or try to), we can curse them, we can go on our best behavior and it doesnt matter. They treat you the same and still take you if theyre after you.
Youre tagged. They know where youre at whether you move 10 blocks away or 1000 miles away. Personally for me, I do call on the Name of Jesus, to protect me, and yes do get returned. My soul/spirit still believes in a GOD and His son Jesus. that they can never take from me or change. That is what keeps me sane.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Ashiana24 on Jun 24th, 2006, 11:56am

Good Morning, QueenofHearts smiley

I know what you mean about this. I agree with what you said about no matter where you go, they know how to find you.

The thing that most concerns me about this is the remote viewing capabilities of these aliens I've heard about recently AND the ability to sense a presence when human remote viewers are "in the area." When Hannah, the remote viewer from West Virginia, sensed the underground bases and people held in captivity, one of the guards(whether they were aliens in disguise or otherwise) could sense her presence in the room. Also, remote viewer Courtney Brown also had the same thing happen to him. A few nights ago, I listened to a remote viewer who was remote viewing a military/alien base and another guard could sense him there and told him angrily "Get out! You don't belong here!"

So no matter where you try to go, they can remote view and find you....I believe anywhere on the planet; that is, if a person doesn't already have a tracking implant inside them.

I think we don't stand a chance of hiding from these creatures and avoiding abductions when we're dealing with a species that is psychically superior to us in every way. If we could only develop our psychic powers to rival those of the aliens, I think we'd stand a fair chance.

I hope you're having a wonderful Saturday, my friend. cheesy

~ Ashiana
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 24th, 2006, 12:02pm

Well, I think...that since they are not ghosts and certainly do not understand the meaning of name of Jesus correctly, we can't expect them to leave.
It's chance of same callibre that you move the heavy building machine to the side by the name of Jesus.

Spirituality and religion are not affected by these things but can't charm your senses.
Tibetan teachers of mine are masters of magic, protection rituals, healing techniques and wisdom, but if this happens, they can't protect you much.
There is same situation as far as information goes in fact. They were just very kind to me after it happened, knowingly or unknowingly.
I still feel sometimes, that there must have been a crossroad , and standing there, I made a choice to go through this, but may be it's not true, it started when I was too small to be responsible.
I still believe in fairytails and that if single interested human being fights for you personnaly, he is able to get back your life or soul. I am very carefull towards people but believe they are good and miracles can happen.
But if your aliens, ATO, told that they will need you, it can not last for ever.
They always do it for certain time only and then they leave.

rolleyes E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jun 24th, 2006, 12:19pm

on Jun 24th, 2006, 11:56am, Ashiana24 wrote:
Good Morning, QueenofHearts smiley

I know what you mean about this. I agree with what you said about no matter where you go, they know how to find you.

The thing that most concerns me about this is the remote viewing capabilities of these aliens I've heard about recently AND the ability to sense a presence when human remote viewers are "in the area." When Hannah, the remote viewer from West Virginia, sensed the underground bases and people held in captivity, one of the guards(whether they were aliens in disguise or otherwise) could sense her presence in the room. Also, remote viewer Courtney Brown also had the same thing happen to him. A few nights ago, I listened to a remote viewer who was remote viewing a military/alien base and another guard could sense him there and told him angrily "Get out! You don't belong here!"

So no matter where you try to go, they can remote view and find you....I believe anywhere on the planet; that is, if a person doesn't already have a tracking implant inside them.

I think we don't stand a chance of hiding from these creatures and avoiding abductions when we're dealing with a species that is psychically superior to us in every way. If we could only develop our psychic powers to rival those of the aliens, I think we'd stand a fair chance.

I hope you're having a wonderful Saturday, my friend. cheesy

~ Ashiana
Hey ash, how are you hon? yes i do believe they have the power to even view or sense remote viewers. I also have a friend, who does RV, and he says yes, they can sense you, not just the aliens, but like you said, guards as well if theyre trained, and he said some can actually follow you back if youre not careful, as in they remote view you back , your home, your situation. as for the aliens, im sure we're tagged like ATO says, so yea, they (Et's) can pretty well find us just about anywhere. hope your saturday is a great one hon.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Ashiana24 on Jun 24th, 2006, 12:24pm

ATO,

I just wanted to say that I think your daughter is such a lil' cutie. smiley

~ Ashiana

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 24th, 2006, 12:28pm

on Jun 24th, 2006, 12:19pm, queenofhearts wrote:
like ATO says, so yea, they (Et's) can pretty well find us just about anywhere. hope your saturday is a great one hon.


They tag others everywhere I go. I can feel them come and go. Circle K is close to my home and so I am there frequently. This is where I feel the change-ups the most.

As many of you know, queenofhearts and myself live only about 15 miles from one another. I was in Walmart in her city (small town) last summer and while standing in the line became extremely ill. I knew what had just happened though. I walked to my car and sat inside waiting for Jackie to come out. I knew it was a change up and I knew it was one of queenofhearts boys or maybe even two. That evening, they spoke. I actually got to experience the ones that take her out on her night time excursions. We refuse to hook up with one another personally for some of the same reasons. Mine are a living hell whereas hers are very kind and sweet. She doesn't need mine certainly. I believe that mine have not hooked up with her because she is ill.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Ashiana24 on Jun 24th, 2006, 12:36pm

Those are nice pics; thanks for sharing them with us. smiley

~ Ashiana

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 24th, 2006, 1:25pm

You have a lovely family, ATO. Love the pictures.

So you are saying there is no way to get out of the control of the beings that come to you......somewhat like we tag animals in the wild to keep track of them. This doesn't seem fair somehow and there has to be a way to stop the control. I don't know what that way is, but there should be a way......and I pray you find it so that you can have peace of mind.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 24th, 2006, 1:34pm

Speaking of cameras What about the increasing number of ufo pics and videos
Video evidence is making it harder for the government
to keep its secrets and people are all armed with cameras and
video equipment.
The government is faced with the inevitable disclosure of these
things to the general public and are frantic to find ways to prevent
this from happening. It is no longer possible to arbitrarily state there is nothing there when we all can see there is. They can’t take the cameras away and they can’t stop it from being seen on the global web and TV.
 
This is a problem the government is attempting to stave off as long
as possible. It may be too late though and so far out of their
control they will have to respond or be found wanting by the public. Our government has to deal with this and make us believe they were
doing it all for us.

We know they were deceiving us and continue to do so.
 
We will want answers that make since and have a decided benefit
to our society overall. We will not accept anything less than a full
disclosure and any attempt to obscure the truth after the fact will
cause many to demand investigations and penalties to be dealt out
for any who were not altruistic in their motives. The aliens are not likely to appear on the White house lawn as we would destroy any craft that made the mistake of violating that protected space. As for doing so anywhere else I also think this unlikely. They have not done so in the past couple hundred years so it is a good bet they will not do so now.
 
The question I now want to answer is what will happen after we
force the truth from our government and what will the aliens do when we mount a concerted defense against them? Will we be able to do this or will it be Independence day revisited? Our last great stand? Armageddon?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 24th, 2006, 1:45pm

on Jun 24th, 2006, 1:25pm, Star wrote:
somewhat like we tag animals in the wild to keep track of them.


You got it. That is what it is exactly.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 24th, 2006, 2:03pm

The abduction reports alone are a pattern of events that should
make any government official worried as to what is happening and why.

The aspect of technology that far outstrips our own, should cause
fear in any branch of the military. I feel it would be the highest
priority for any government aware of these facts to investigate
and attempt to duplicate this technology in order to defend against
such a threat.

To say that there are no UFOs and stand on a position that there is
nothing to fear from objects that can’t exist is a blatant lie!

The public sees these things and reports their encounters and
abductions. The government is just ignoring them.

It is then up to us to attempt to discern the truth and discover the
reasons if at all possible.

The government does not want us to know, that they know, what
they know!

My theory is premised on our descendants returning to attempt to
repair errors in our choices and prevent the sequence of events
that progressed to the undesirable end described. They have
continued to visit us but now appear to be focusing on the retrieval
of genetic materials.

By all reports these attempts have been unable to alter the future
significantly. The continuing abductions fly in the face of any
assertion to the contrary.

They are continuing to manipulate us and assert their wish to help
us but the added aspect of genetic manipulation and retrieval
suggests an alternate purpose to what the “aliens” are attempting.

They can not be seen or tracked effectively.

They appear and disappear so quickly there is no way for the
government or the military to counter their actions. They move at
such great speeds and with such extreme maneuverability they
appear to defy what we know is natural law. They take people
without interference or even discovery till too late. They seam to
be omnipotent in this respect and indefensible against.

The government having begun by denying the truth and asserting the
nonexistence of aliens and UFOs cannot now recant and disclose
that they knew all along. To do so would undermine their authority
and call into question their honesty.

We would demand answers and action.

The government knows that a race of beings is able to produce
technology that surpasses anything we can create. This would
render any defense we could muster useless. This seems plausible
to me as a reason for their continued denial of the subject.

Revealing this would cause hysteria and fear to grip the public and
the government would be called upon to defend us regardless of its
ability to do so. The government has been covering it up to prevent
public hysteria and at the same time is working tirelessly to
reproduce an advanced level of technology in an attempt to prepare
for a conflict they see as inevitable.

As long as they foster the belief that the government is
unconcerned they avoid open conflict with these entities.

What say you to this?

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 24th, 2006, 2:27pm

smiley One should take care, avoid alien subjects, unless you belong to them, because after it's too late.
If you happen to be born an alien, take care not to spoil human beings by too much complexity, they can't stand it.
If you don't want to see somebody, close your eyes.
Positivity and negativity depends on how much fresh air is coming to my room.
It leads me to an idea, that oxygen might help in extreme cases in dealing with aliens. You might not appreciate my idea, but look at M.Jackson and his alienship. Try oxygen,

grin E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 24th, 2006, 3:16pm

on Jun 24th, 2006, 2:03pm, woodgnome49 wrote:
The government does not want us to know, that they know, what they know! The government having begun by denying the truth and asserting the nonexistence of aliens and UFOs cannot now recant and disclose that they knew all along. To do so would undermine their authority and call into question their honesty.


Again, some of this you may have already read this before. Things get buried here in the Casebook but so I like to repeat them if the subject comes up again and I always add to them. If you have already read, please read again because I've added.

I like to term such things we see on the Internet in respect to government conspiracy and disinformation campaigns as paranoidal theories.

Most really do not sit and dwell on the subject and instead blame the government, which is thier first thought. It's everyone's first thought.

I sit and question the whys and wherefore concerning disinformation and/or the release of all government knowledge regarding UFOs and aliens - and I get help from THEM in the process.

Before you even begin reading, you have to be an unselfish individual and recognize that there are 6.5 billion people on this planet and not just 1.

First of all, it should be quite obvious by now that the government has known that UFO's have been in our airspace for many, many years. We, as humans can live in a state of denial quite simply since "the government" had not stood up to a microphone on the subject yet. It's simply human nature not to believe, until an "authority" has said so. Consequently, the majority of the world put it in the back of their mind and go on their merry way through their day.

However, one has to pretend for a moment that such a statement from our government that UFOs are definitely in our airspace, could be extremely detrimental so instead, one should think about why they care not to divulge such information.

For a moment, visualize that President Bush has just approached the microphone and it's today June, 2006. This is of course braking news and the citizens of the U.S. and much of the rest of the world watches and listens to CNN to see what it is he has to say.

The first words from his mouth sound something like, UFOs are in our airspace, and of course the assumption that aliens are inside of those UFOs is a gimmie. Of course I guess he wouldn't have called them UFOs since they would no longer be considered such.

Today, news travels extremely fast and now this information has traveled around the world and reached the majority of those 6.5 billion human beings.

Our first actions as human beings who still have adrenal glands attached to their kidneys would be shook by fear, fright, terror, horror, worry and panic.

Have you ever had someone put a gun to your head. Servicemen have experienced such fear being on the front lines in the Gulf wars and Vietnam.

Visualize just that for a moment and pretend that it is reality. That is real fear. That is the kind of fear that every living individual would experience if such a statement were ever released by our government. The worst thing about this is that we would continue to experience fear every single waking moment until the aliens made a move on their part.

Can you just imagine if one of the presidents from the 1940's made a statement such as that? The tremendous amount of adrenaline alone being constantly secreted through the day by your adrenal glands would make you so sick both physically and emotionally everyone would be on antidepressants or anxiety medicines if not dead from a stroke or heart attack by now.

Stress is the biggest killer in the world and the the worst kind of stress is brought on by fear. Besides the obvious ailments like high blood pressure, heart attacks and stroke, stress is also responsible for interfering with the amygdala in your brain and causing your hippocampus to shrink interfering with long and short term memory. A few years of this and those numbers would out number Alzheimers.

Fear simply cannot be instilled in people unnecessarily in our world. The aliens certainly know this, which is why they tend to be standoffish themselves and only give us bits and pieces here and there, now and then, which only instills more intrigue for the believers and wonderment for the masses. And, that number (the masses) continue to sit in denial, which is where I believe they were meant to sit.

More importantly, and the major point to my post is that as far back as Truman and to date, a facet of our government would have had multitudes of round table discussions on the subject.

Amongst that table you would find military, but more importantly the rest of the chairs would have been taken up by the greatest, most renowned psychologists and psychiatrists in their fields.

Those psychologists and psychiatrists who were brought into the picture on such issues would have stated their case on behalf of mankind, in respect to the repercussions if and when a government official takes it upon themselves to speak into a microphone at that infamous podium.

It is only simple logic that psychologists and psychiatrists were brought into the picture and here is a small handful of the many reasons why.

First of all, you cannot stop the economic engine. Such an event would stop many engines and end up looking like dominoes. Many nations would collapse.

Furthermore, one must consider the children and the elderly. Parents are experiencing fear, some are even having panic attacks and their children see the fear and become increasingly scared themselves causing psychological problems.

A large number of the elderly population are having heart attacks or at least experience worse fears threatening their current health problems.

Shall we talk about the churches and how they would immediately think that the world was coming to an end and that, (OH MY GOD! IT'S TRUE, THE ALIENS ARE SATAN) or some other nonsense like that. Or is it nonsense?

Or better yet, the masses who haven't been to church in 40 years or less and think that God is here to judge mankind and, and, and, the list goes on AND, it's a very, very long list. What you would hear about are jumpers. Out of buildings and off bridges.

Consequently, I believe that the aliens themselves will open that door if it ever opens and not the government simply because they do not want to be responsible for upsetting the apple cart.

Certainly, I have sat and dwelled for hours and 'questioned' some of the ways that the aliens could come in that proverbial door.

One of the ways, the top of my list anyway is that of a hero.

Just one idea on this could be to stop a nuclear warhead in mid-air over the ocean that was on its way to the U.S. or some other large nation from any of our current enemies that have the capability.

This is a door that we would now open for them, since they would be the hero and we shouldn't fear them because they just saved millions upon millions of lives. Why should we fear them?

Sure, the U.S. saw the dang thing coming but the aliens got to it first because they watched it as it was fired and disarmed any further capabilities at that very moment as well. This we already know they can do.

Because of this, anything goes in respect to how they could make themselves out to be the hero. It doesn't have to be my scenerio of course.

Their minds and thinking is beyond our comprehension and their thoughts and ideas are as unfathomable and numerous as their vehicles they travel in, not to mention the distances that they have traveled to our world.

For this reason, they could easily come up with hundreds of scenerios (ruse) on how to get mankind to open that door for them and not the government. Why would they want the government to be found at fault? No upsetting that apple cart either.

BUT, what is the very first thing that the people of the world will do when such event takes place?

I believe that they are going to flee to their computers and go on the Internet.

What words in search are they going to type?

I could bet my life on that first word being alien and the second word will be UFO.

Now, what are they going to find when they open up those websites?

They are going to find answers from us. Their answers are going to come from the nuts who believed in aliens and UFOs that have been ridiculed because of it for who knows how long.

They aren't going to learn anything from our government, they are going to be taught by us instead.

They are going to read and reread every single UFO/alien oriented website and forum they can find for answers to relieve their fears.

It is us that they are going to rely on and we will be online to relieve as many of their fears that we can. THIS, is why I like to see words like, "I think" or "maybe" instead of "I KNOW" or "It's a fact" because such things will bother the newbies. I think it's best to act like a government and not let them see all the gore.

As for Exo-politics, I often wished that they didn't exist because yes, in my eyes, I believe that they have a kookier story to tell, which could cause great confusion and greater fears for all of the newbies that didn't believe in aliens and UFOs previously to Bush's hypothetical D-Day.

So, like you, I 'question' such thoughts and instead of wondering WHY the government refuses to divulge UFO information, or deploys disinformation, I believe that it was designed to be as it is and proves that the particular government that made those decisions at that round table only had mankind's best interest in mind. Also why NASA is forced to be closed-lipped.




Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 24th, 2006, 3:22pm

on Jun 24th, 2006, 2:27pm, Mewtwo wrote:
smiley One should take care, avoid alien subjects, unless you belong to them, because after it's too late.If you happen to be born an alien


I cannot believe any of that. I believe that many have been told they were born an alien and are 'of' the aliens but I do not believe so myself and honestly, the ones with me sort of giggle when they read such things as I read.

They have told me that their lifestyle and in particular their knowledge is sooooo old and vast that our knowledge is the size of a cell, in comparison. This tells me that earth is where we live, grow and learn and it takes more then a great natured person to advance to another stage such as theirs.

And, one just said to me that this is absolutely correct.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 24th, 2006, 3:38pm

Oh, no, of course you can't be born an alien. Why should you ? Do you think that alien can be born as human ? Not possible.
First and best I ask: And who am I?
If you are an alien , you would know or not.
It shows and prooves nothing, your knowledge is kept at the base, so you never misuse the knowledge.
I do not misuse knowledge either.

The old proverb says that the Sun won't punish firefly for being proud of its light.
I don't speak of ignorance unneccessarily,
and can't fight with ladies.

smiley E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 24th, 2006, 3:40pm

The thought struck me that the government might not be all that far from a defense. I speak of the strange triangular craft that appear to be patrolling our night skies.

This also can be reason for what appears to be collusion between
world governments and the scientific community in the coverup of
this phenomenon. It is quite possible that the campaign of
disinformation is targeted not just at the public but at the
“aliens” as well.

If the aliens are monitoring our communications, technical
advances, scientific advances and public transmissions the
campaign of denial would serve to cover up the attempts at
advancing our technology to rival their own. The government may be
hoping to lull the aliens into believing that they are not threatened.  

But are we able to threaten them?

The greatest advantage we could create would be to reach a level
of technology advanced enough to defeat them with out their becoming aware of it, however unlikely this eventuality is.

President Reagan attempted to tell us what he knew about aliens.
In fact His comments and his proposal to build an antiballistic
missile defense system based in outer space is the basis for my assertions and comments regarding why the government is continuing the coverup.

Reagan said that he told Gorbachev to think, "how easy his task and
mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species from another planet outside in the universe. We'd forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries ..."

Gorbachev himself confirmed the conversation in Geneva during an
important speech on February 17, 1987,

"At our meeting in Geneva, the U.S. President said that if
the earth faced an invasion by extraterrestrials, the United
States and the Soviet Union would join forces to repel such
an invasion. I shall not dispute the hypothesis, though I
think it's early yet to worry about such an intrusion..."

Notice that Gorbachev doesn't say this is an impossibility, he
just says that it's too early to worry about it.

In a speech to the United Nations on September 21, 1987 the
President said that, "in our obsession with antagonisms of the
moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of
humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make
us recognize this common bond.

Reagan continued "I occasionally think, how quickly our
differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien
threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask is not an alien force
ALREADY among us?"

The President now tries to misdirect his last bold statement by
posing a second question: "What could be more alien to the
universal aspirations of our peoples than war
and the threat of war?"

Unlike remarks to the Fallston High School, That I first sited, we
must assume that the President's speech to the General Assembly
was written very carefully."

the President told us once again,"I've often wondered, what if
all of us in the world discovered that we were threatened by an
outer -- a power from outer space, from another planet." And then he
emphasized his theme that this would erase all the differences, and that the
"citizens of the world" would "come together to fight that particular
threat..."

Significantly, Reagan's remark was made in response to the
question, "What do you consider to be the most important need in
international relations?

Reagan wondered aloud “what would happen if the world
faced an 'alien threat' from outer space. 'Don't you think the United
States and the Soviet Union would be together?' he asked.

Shevardnadze said yes, absolutely. "And we wouldn't need our
defense ministers to meet,' he added."

From whatever reason or knowledge about UFOs that he may have
had as President -- Ronald Reagan spoke often about the possibility of an
alien invasion, and how this event could become a catalyst for
world unity.

The point I am making is having intimate knowledge as President
he was also aware that we needed to expand our scientific
endeavors into solving problems that may come from outside our world.
He was constrained in how he could do this but the need was clear.
The assertion that this was a missile defense system was a real
proposal and funds are still being funneled into it.

I suggest that an alternate purpose was to allow the mainstream
scientists a reasonable excuse to engage in discovering technology
to do just what he said and defend us from the outsiders.

Though he believed we as a nation could develop sufficient systems
to defend the world and our own country he invited the world
community to join us in this endeavor.

I suggest that he also knew that if he disclosed , that he knew that
aliens were real, his own mental state would be called into
question.

I believe he was successful and mainstream science has taken up
the challenge and is progressing along those lines.  

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 24th, 2006, 4:10pm

Quote:
They have told me that their lifestyle and in particular their knowledge is sooooo old and vast that our knowledge is the size of a cell, in comparison.

One should note that these things are liars and will do anything for psychological control. They're stupid, actually; if you read through enough reports about them, it becomes clear that the only thing they're skilled in is creating fabrications to make you willingly inferior. Ordinary bully tactics.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 24th, 2006, 4:14pm

on Jun 24th, 2006, 4:10pm, Zareste wrote:
One should note that these things are liars and will do anything for psychological control. They're stupid, actually; if you read through enough reports about them, it becomes clear that the only thing they're skilled in is creating fabrications to make you willingly inferior. Ordinary bully tactics.


There's no doubt that they use lies. They purposely lie to me to get reaction. I can always tell. I don't even use the "if it feels good" it's the truth - scenario. They have a specific reason for every lie they tell and during the day they'll go back and show me why they did what they did or said what they said, in respect to a lie. In sifting through their various statements, I use logic. It's all I can use.

From what I've experienced, they want to know what WE think while they tell it in the form of a lie first.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 24th, 2006, 4:27pm

Interesting. So a big purpose of the telepathic implants could be to test lies and see how well they work on people. Whether or not I'm right, they're even more focussed on deception than I thought.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 24th, 2006, 4:40pm

Why is there so much diversity in aliens?

I am aware of the many differing reports of alien types seen in
abductions and close encounters. Most say that this is evidence of
many different races from all over the galaxy visiting us. Another
school of thought suggests that they are all transdimensional and
originate in parallel universes. Still others say that these are
beings of a spiritual nature and spring from realms of heaven or
hell.
The scientist say these are nothing more than the fantasies of a
fringe society and those that ascribe to precepts that science can
not prove or explain.
As I have proposed I have been trying to envision something that
includes all the evidence as I know it. This is to try to form a
single picture that conforms to all the evidence.
I suggested that our descendants are returning to visit us from the
future in an attempt to repair their society. This is why we are
being sampled and genetically manipulated.
The reports of the various differing craft and the dissimilarity of
the occupants can be explained within my theory as variations in
the time stream and the attempt of parallel time lines to solve
their problems in similar ways. Which is to return to the past to
attempt to affect their own reality.
We must start with the theory of an infinite number of parallel
realities. If you accept the math then this is at least possible. In
that event, infinite parallel realities requires an infinite number
of possible futures. The assumption can be made that in at least
one of these possible realities reptiles developed intelligence.
Another world it could be squid, the next insects or even creatures or beings that have no known
counterparts in this reality.
Our own reality is only a drifting point in the multiple realities that compose the stream of time. Now is just a moment in time one point in an infinite number of like points all streaming through the universe of physical realities.

The appearance of aliens that appear to be reptilian could be the
descendants of a race of dinosaurs that did not die out 60 million
years ago and they just stumble on to us in their attempt to travel
through time. They have no real connection to our time stream
other than as lost explorers. As for any other anthropomorphic
aliens they could be the descendants of lemurs or genetic
descendants for any other species of terrestrial animals.

They also could be from different solar systems and distant parts
of the galaxy but the evidence we have so far does not stand up to
investigation.
We only have the reports of the abductees!
Many of these are extremely unsettling and even terrifying to those
that suffered them. The fact that most of the reported abductions
include assertions of mental manipulation, abuse, and control
makes me think that these individuals were not seeing what was
real only what their abductors wanted them to see.
Recently it was expressed to me that the aliens were omniscient
and all powerful. They knew what everyone on the face of the globe
was doing and thinking. they could tag you and track you anywhere.
and knew everything about everything. If this assertion is correct
is it not possible that they could manipulate awareness and plant
images and suggestions into their victims? Even if you discount
omniscient beings and assume beings only marginally advanced
from us. It seams to me that we must grant that they could deceive
us.
I admit the reports of abductees are questionable in this regard. As
an outside observer I must consider this in my assessments. As one
of my associates said,  we need to expand the investigation beyond
the purely physiological. The impressions and assertions of abductees can only be viewed from that vantage point. We must discount this evidence as suspect and attempt to discover the related consistencies of all the reports and encounters.

I now begin to believe that what we are seeing and reporting may
be in fact only one or at best two differing species of creatures.

It is true that individuals recount abductions, translocation, and
even intergalactic travel when describing their experiences. They
assert things that seem preposterous to people unable to
experience them. Their accounts are difficult to interpret as they are composed of images. Their attempt to put these things into words appears to the outside observers as a collection of sequential subconscious images. They appear to have a connectedness in fantasy or the mental balance of the individuals that protest them.
 
The actuality may be something completely different.

the individuals that experience these things assert they are telling
the truth and it is a communion with aliens. What is the connection here? Could it be both are true?

The subconscious is a place that we all have.
If an advanced race wanted to communicate with these individuals
they might want to use this method to communicate with and
influence them without having to actually be with them.

I postulate a possible encoding or manipulation of the synaptic
material to act as a receiver. It being connected to the
subconscious thus the need to communicate in images.

Dreams and the subconscious are intimately related and would
facilitate a receptive state for this type of communication. The
science of aliens could indeed be a source capable of this type of
manipulation. The abductees all state the same things. They assert that at some point they were abducted and experiments were performed on them.
What if it wasn’t an experiment?
What if it was a deliberate attempt to reconfigure the mind and
the tissues of the brain. Could this be the true reason for the accounts of probes and devices being inserted into their heads, up their noses, or in their eyes or ears? Chemical injections, repeated
abductions, and the progression of procedures performed on them
suggest a program of physical manipulation and alteration outside
of the genetic experiments. If the aliens are altering or attempting
the reconfiguration of the brain the assertion of the people that
claim communication in this was is easily understandable.
What these aliens have done is alter the electrical characteristics
and pathways in the brain and formed a built in receiver so
information can be downloaded from a distance.

What the people who receive this information are experiencing is
their subconscious acting as interpreter. I suggest the images are
composed of information that is resident in the individuals mind.
The information may not be verbatim what was conveyed and
transmitted to them but is the subconscious attempting to make
since of this information. What we perceive in our subconscious
are images we have composed to engage in conversations with
ourselves in our dreams as a function of our imagination and the
desire to solve problems. It acts within us as a way we can debate
with our self and form new concepts by the act of free association.
 
This would be the perfect interpreter for an alien race or even a
human one wishing to remain hidden or anonymous. This would
serve many purposes. It would first and foremost limit the exposure of the aliens to discovery. Second it would provide them a way to influence and provide information to the subjects of these manipulations without relying on having to learn an alien language. If they are human then the implication is it is a way to continue to
foster the belief in aliens and create a confused and complicated
trail of evidence that leads to them. Thirdly and I feel most importantly. This  accounts for the reason that so many people assert that they were in the presence of aliens but can’t come up with a consistent description of them.

This suggests that every one of them may be telling truth.
It states that these individuals have not been wrong or delusional
but trying in their own way to give us evidence and assert
information they received from these aliens. The problem has been
with our willingness to accept the truth of their assertions. Our
unconditional demand that we be given proof to things that can not
be proved.

Though the predominant number of physical encounters is with the
Grays and Nordic types This does not rule out all the others created
in the minds of those that have been altered for this type of
communication. Truth of their respective dissimilar encounters is
explained as a failure of the subconscious to form consistent
descriptions and accounts within this realm of alien encounters.

The fact now appears to be that they are recounting fact as they
interpreted it. What they were seeing and experiencing was a
manifestation of their subconscious but was inspired and impress
on their subconscious  by these aliens and contains information in
the images. the problem now  is, we are left to our own interpretation. What we must do now is discover what these
messages really mean.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 24th, 2006, 4:50pm

smileyNo, they don't tell lies but their truth is non understendable to us. Their words carry often different meaning than ours. For each meeting there must be a lot of compromise on both sides. They create chaos in our minds, not because their mind, but their energy is so different. You can talk to dolphin and he might talk to you, but who knows, what you were saying.
They awake your intellectual abilities, nerves and family and what to do with such a creatures with so much knowledge every day. Should they go where ?

No, I'm not making jokes of you,
morning, evening,
night and day and day and night,
please, mewtwo, don't make jokes,
it's too serious,
and everybody has cards hidden
in the pocket,
so don't play with such people,
mewtwo, and
don't forget where you belong.
Sorry, and where do I belonghuh

Peace and love
tongue E.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 24th, 2006, 4:57pm



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If this assertion is correct
is it not possible that they could manipulate awareness and plant images and suggestions into their victims?


Of course they are manipulating. It goes along with the "lies" posts. They are looking for reaction. Every one of my visions can be explained symbolically or metaphorically. These visions are messages, whereas other people that get such things think only one thing - that they were on another planet and now they think it's their home and they are a part of the alien civilization or something to that nature.

No, they're messages and all of them can be deciphered very simply as can OBE type of dreams. They are messages as well.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 24th, 2006, 5:01pm

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The scientist say these are nothing more than the fantasies of a
fringe society and those that ascribe to precepts that science can
not prove or explain.

One should be more careful who they call a scientist. Some nut case who doesn't know any facts and can't think his way out of a paper bag, for example, is not a scientist. Second, there's no need to bring up the opinion of every such nut case - we already know what they think because they bombard the world with propaganda from every direction. Third, they're the ones who invented the 'aliens are unproven and unexplained' system - consider the source before asserting those things.

Also, the aliens say they're from other planets and not dimensions tongue the answers to these things can be surprisingly up-front with enough data-mining.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 24th, 2006, 5:09pm



I think I should give you a for instance. Remember the skater dream and the school that was located on a tarmac where UFOs land?

Well, this alien, tall, somewhat human looking was skating on roller blades on this tarmac. He skated through the school (which means, he's an alien, he's from another planet that we relate their UFOs too and he skated through school, which meant - he did well and was chosen to go to earth via the UFOs there near the school.)

The man with the white glove on his hand meant this. First of all, all nouns mean whatever they mean to me and not necessarily the next person.

The white glove to me says Michael Jackson. The man ran the white glove inside of this barrel to see how much filth was in there. This was also taking place in the school. These were the things they were learning about us.

I will have to remove this paragraph by tomorrow because I shouldn't even be saying such things.

All of the nouns in my visions ALL have a particular meaning. This is how they let me in on what they are doing - they use visions.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 24th, 2006, 5:16pm


If you were to look at the timeframes where a particular species of alien were present, you will usually always find only that one prevalent and the rest are gone. This is not true for greys and reptilians since they appear to work together. Also, there is some overlap where the greys and reptilians will begin working, which was quite some time ago and the humanoid looking ones are gone except for a handful with unfininished business.

It's as if they all have different agendas and when that agenda is completed, they're out of here.

The greys are used primarily for abduction but abduction is extremely rare right now. I haven't heard of a legitimate abduction in well over a year. For that matter, the complaints of reptilians are old complaints and you don't hear new ones anymore. That tells me that the work of the greys and reptilians is done.

So, what aliens are still working. From what I can tell and what I know, the ones that are still working are only aliens in the spirit and not in the body.

I read everything and I have not yet read anything new about aliens in the body being present, but, there is more recently tons of posts in various forums, and I'm a member in 14 of them, that have stories about altercations with aliens in their dreams and even some in an awake state.

These, I call in-home abduction. The victim isn't taken anywhere but marks are being left behind on the victim.

This tells me that they are ready to move on something.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 24th, 2006, 5:48pm

What I am attempting to do is form a theory that describes and
incorporates all the known evidence into and under a single heading
and focus.

From my first cognitive thought I have been asking. WHY?
Why do I have to go to bed? Why do I have to accept that electrons,
neutrons and protons are the substance of mater.
Why is the sky blue?
Why is it so hard to make myself understood?
Why?Why?Why?Why? The questions are never ending and feed upon
themselves. I have learned that the answers can not be given to me.
I must discover them for myself or remain ignorant.

I invite your comments and questions.

Seek to know Why!

These are some of my own questions that remain unanswered


If the aliens want to help us why haven't they given us help in
understanding the universe and the nature of the infinite
possibilities of the universe?

If aliens are trying to help us why abduct people with no knowledge
of mathematics and science? Why do they take people that by all
accounts are of no relevance to science, or in fact actively antagonistic to it?
Why if they want to give us the truth and reality of the infinite
possibilities within the universe haven't they given that information to
people that could understand the science of it and the true nature of all that is possible?
Why have they allowed our scientists to go with out direction or
even hints to suggest the proof of the universe was possible?
Why have the scientists gone untouched unmodified and uninformed
and allowed the misdirection of our science to misinterpret the
universe that they must have an intimate knowledge of?
I continue my quest!
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 24th, 2006, 6:05pm

I always theorized that the Greys are a form used by the same spirits as the reptilians. Since they're highly telepathic and have little individuality, it seems like groups of Greys are controlled by one spirit.

But then, I've heard of beings with the Grey form coming from different stellar systems, so it's awfully hard to say. There might be different civilizations using the same form (the way there are different human civilizations), or single civilizations using different forms. Opposing factions may hijack each others' forms from time-to-time, like when Reptilians inhabit human forms or when Jesus came, so we can't always tell who's who by appearances.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 25th, 2006, 08:27am

smiley Hello Woody,
these are few possible answers to some of your questions:

Aliens, at least those who came here to study our civilisation, always tried to establish contact by communicating to various people. They can't understand our social systems function very well, because their society is organized well. They have tried even to infiltrate our politics, science and society without discerning between their real value to humanity.
If they asked a king in ancient times, he usually answered, "I'm a king of whole Universe", that was usual habit. So they understood, that he is the chieftain of the planet. This way there were many misconceptions related to people and "interstellar relations" established. Nowadays they don't know, who is the chieftain here. May be they expect him to be like American president.
They had chained with scientists through out the whole history and lot of mathematical theories, inventions in physics, chemistry and biology are said to have sprung from such invisible encounters.
It doesn't say that our developmental scale will move same direction as theirs, because each being in the universe has specific mode of intelligence which can not be changed to another pattern as such in all its complexity. So they could help us in certain way, but the first and last thing they will always check up, is the quality of our intelligence and how much personnal integrity stands behind. To be intelligent does not mean to have mature personality and being able to use knowledge trusted to yourself.
The problem is not that we don't have good scientist or that we are stupid in generall. Problem is global, the velocity we can move actually forwards with our practical knowledge corresponds to the state of humanity as whole. Humanity consists of few scientists and 6,5 millliards of hungry people. So we have to look at it as a whole. What would be use of alien technologies to people without consideration, who are unable to solve moral difficulties on encountering aliens?
The correlation is a natural barrier which prevents any human being from crossing behind the wall of fear.
And prevents aliens from sharing with us, because it could demage our brains and civilisation.
They are not so destructive as you'd imagine perhaps.
They know very well, that we are not ready for open communication yet. There is no way to help our civilisation from outside if we can not do it.
There is strong magnetic feeld around disturbing all space navigation systems and neither they or us are not able to fight with gravity of such ammount.
They have to use protection shields to come down or move through the atmosphere otherwise they'd be dragged down. If they switch of the shield, we can see them. The energy they emitt by generating the dimensional distortion can cause weather changes, health problems or anything else.
That is why they can't stay here anytime too long.

smiley E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jun 25th, 2006, 09:15am

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They are usually much more open, looking through your mind, not decieved by superficial behavioral patterns, they are less cunning or deceptional than any of your human friends, they love to share knowledge provided you have capacity enough to comprehend it, they don't tell you lies IF you are able to stand the truth, which is their own right to proove or disproove themselves.


this comes off sounding like if you believe their lies then youre able to stand the truth, and if you dont believe and fall for their lies, then somehow you just dont have the capacity for comprehension. This is pure BS. you come off sounding like you know everything and your view is the only way. You post away , then whine when no one responds to your posts. Then when people respond to them, but not to your liking, theyre being confrontational. So what is it that you want? for people to "agree" with your views, your thoughts? what? we cant have views of our own that we see as truth as well, we cant be free thinkers? you post your views, and so do others. actually when i read your posts it comes off sounding like you really are asking for someone to validate your experiences to make you feel sane somehow. if they are YOUR experiences , and you are positive that they happened, then you need no peer validation, if your confidence is strong enough. thats what it sounds like to me, like youre aching for validation, and if anyone questions your experiences, you get upset. we're free thinkers here hon. and no that doesnt mean that because i dont agree with your views that somehow that makes me somehow incompetant to comprehend what you are posting. I understand it, just dont agree with it. if youre posting openly here, then expect to be challenged on your views.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 25th, 2006, 11:55am

The previous post also is not to my liking and supose same to yours. I can modify it, delete it, anything you like.
And flush myself to the basin, because that's the easiest of all solutions.

cry E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 25th, 2006, 2:11pm

Well E you will not like my post either. but here it goes try not to take offence. I do not want to cause you any hurt.

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“They can't understand our social systems function very well, because their society is organized well. They have tried even to infiltrate our politics, science and society without discerning between their real value to humanity.”

I am sorry E
Your statements here confuse me. you appear to say the aliens are advanced enough to travel space and navigate the universe but can’t recognize the relative value and positions of importance in our social structures. To me this is nonsense.
They have attempted to infiltrate our society without understanding it. This is difficult to believe and I have never found evidence to support this from any source.

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“Nowadays they don't know, who is the chieftain here. May be they expect him to be like American president. “

They would be correct in the united states to think the president is the leader. The queen of england and the leaders of all the different nations are easily identified. They are the ones in the government that have all the body guards.

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“They had chained with scientists through out the whole history and lot of mathematical theories, inventions in physics, chemistry and biology are said to have sprung from such invisible encounters.”


The word “chained” is improper here unless you mean to say they chained scientists like captives. This however is nonsense as well. As for where the advancements we have made in the sciences may have come from. The majority can be traced all the way to their initial conception and none have been proved to come from any other source than mankind and our own inventiveness.


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“The problem is not that we don't have good scientist or that we are stupid in generall. Problem is global, the velocity we can move actually forwards with our practical knowledge corresponds to the state of humanity as whole.”

This is not true either. our advancement in science and our inventions are increasing exponentially regardless of world population.

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“Humanity consists of few scientists and 6,5 millliards of hungry people.”


The current world population is 6.5 BILLION people and there are millions of scientists. My question is why these aliens have not contacted the scientific community in any discernible way. That to me would be the best way to increase our social development and our capacity to interact with the aliens on their own terms. The opposite is true that out of all the abducted individuals not one is a physicist or medical doctor or theorist, or mathematician. or astronomer. or biologist or even a geologist or psychologist. There are a few of the main stream scientists such as the SETI group that are actively seeking contact. To date they have not had any success in finding an alien signal. If the aliens are here to help us why not give the message to the SETI group and let them tell the world the great news.

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“ So we have to look at it as a whole. What would be use of alien technologies to people without consideration, who are unable to solve moral difficulties on encountering aliens?”

I see no moral considerations to be dealt with. An alien race has no concept of our morals or if they are at odds with them would want to instruct us in the proper moral conduct they require. As was done with the creation of the worlds religions.

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“The correlation is a natural barrier which prevents any human being from crossing behind the wall of fear. And prevents aliens from sharing with us, because it could demage our brains and civilisation.”

This is a ridiculous statement. The aliens could not by revealing themselves to the general public cause brain damage. They might instill fear,apprehension, anxiety, hope, ecstasy, disgust panic, or outrage. they could not damage our minds by simply revealing themselves.

I can understand where you get this but it is part of our history that when an advanced society interacts with a primitive one many unwanted things happen but on the whole we have grown past that stage in our development and no longer have the naivety of our ancestors.

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“There is strong magnetic feeld around disturbing all space navigation systems and neither they or us are not able to fight with gravity of such ammount.”

Please resist the desire to sound like you know what you are talking about. As it is obvious you haven’t got a clue. the magnetic envelope that surrounds the earth is a product of our metal core spinning at the heart of our world and the gravity is not part of this at all. Gravity is a property of matter. it is mass and mass alone that is the cause of gravity. Magnetism is something completely different and is electrical in nature. it is a force created by the motion of electrons and the positive and negative charges in atoms and molecules. in order to have magnetism you need organized aligned molecules with the poles of potential set at opposite ends. or you must coil a wire around a metal core and pass electricity through it.
I suggest if you wish to make statements about gravity and magnetism you investigate what they are before making a fool of your self with comments like this one.

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“They have to use protection shields to come down or move through the atmosphere otherwise they'd be dragged down. If they switch of the shield, we can see them. The energy they emitt by generating the dimensional distortion can cause weather changes, health problems or anything else.
That is why they can't stay here anytime too long.

E.”

You contradict yourself here and finnish with wild speculation about what the energy fields created by aliens can do. There is no evidence to support any of you statements and I find them so confused and distorted as to render them useless.

Never the less I understand you were trying to give me what you believe as a way to help me. I thank you for that but hope you will consider your words more carefully and attempt to state thing better without all the contradiction and wild assertions .

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 25th, 2006, 3:49pm

Well Woody, the last note was not connected with this at all, we have had some talk with ladies here in the morning.
In reply to your bold statements: Yes, it's difficult subject, but let us try to understand it.
First you'd have to accept that I know something, let us say little bit of the other side, that is I've had possibility to share some feelings and information with some of them, so I can't stand purely on the theoretical point even if I like. If you like to hear it, fine.
I'd relate, for your kind information, at least to one type of aliens, whom I know . I can't say know well, but I have no reason to talk out of imagination.
You said that aliens who have enough technology to travel across the universe are not able to understand our social structure.
See, to understand social structure of your neighbours family might be really difficult task, not to speak about aliens. You should understand, that the whole of our
social structures are quite relative, imaginary, they have limited value.
Those other beings might be forming very different type of collectives, where they know each other personnaly very well, depend on each other more than we do and share more competencies as far as responsibility follows. It all depends on their intelligence, imagine , that you would have to explain your idea to group of naked aboriginies in the middle of jungle, so how much would they understand your meanings ?
If you ever read any books about great scientists and their inventions, there are many crossroads in the history of science, when solution could not be found.
And after long search even the most complicate things were solved through pure intuition, even dreams, when the related person actually saw the resultant clue or something like that. There are also instances when the actuall idea appeared to two or more people at the same time on different places of the planet and they were both correct. This phenomena are sometimes explained just by collective unconsciousness and time-space synchronicity, but it does not explain all.
I feel courage enough to say , yes, they have connections to our scientists and they can even use some of them for their own purposes. This is because the group of aliens which is most science oriented one, neither cares much to help humanity nor cares for the best of morals. I'm sure that we would disagree with their views on biology and else and there is no way for them to change the views. I've never agreed to cooperate with these aliens but I know that much that most people who fall to their hands either obey or suffer. They have two kind of captives, one kind they use for research and other kind they make to cooperate.
There are even people including scientist on their spaceships, who work for them. But those people don't remember who they are any more.
They are doctors here on earth who work for them.
Not on the consciouss level, but there is lot of non ethical research passed by this alien group to human laboratories. For example.
There are still different alien groups than those mentioned above and only some of them are really trustable and helpfull. They don't harm living beings and feel too unrelated to involve much effort here without serious cause. Yes, they are worried for ex. about our nuclear power plants, as well as all other power plants, they consider our development really backwords, they feel sorry for our problems with everything, but don't feel that they have enough possibilities to lead us openly out of the global crisis and change the whole humanity.
They are neither here to establish religions or show themselves on public, they are helpful, but when and how depends on themselves.
Well, the thing with gravity and magnetism seems to depend on the structure of the core , so they are not unrelated forces in some cases.
Yeah, I know how much energy I really feel to invest to these statements, so they appear as they do.
It's not my mistake only. I can also make mistakes in English, because I don't live in US. Third, I have had some encounters with aliens and the information I actually got is part confusing or rather disorganized, so you would have to produce really good deal of effort to make it useful. And by the end , I've studied lot of mathematics and related sciences and still I have enountered aliens.
If you really want to know something and by chance I do, I'll tell you , but I'm not much to disscussions these days.

smiley E.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 25th, 2006, 4:27pm

smiley In reply to ATO and Queen of Hearts

I don't think I'm waiting for any validation as far as my experiences are concerned. It seems that I'm here to have a place , where it's allowed to talk about it at all.
The experience from Bodhgaya is an exception , because it lasted long and was clear enough and I didn't forget it at all, so I don't have many mixed up feelings about it. So I've made it very public thing for everybody to share eventhough it's really difficult.
My experiences with E.T.s I've not put down yet and I'd rather wait till it interests someone personnaly.
I'm not part of any other forums or alien-related groups and don't have anybody to tell this.
I don't feel like I could make it public thing, these experiences are covered with mist even to myself and I don't think to know much more than you. But still we might know something compared to avarage.
Second thing is that at the moment I start writing it down, I will be extremely vulnerable to everything else, so I won't do this without purpose or somebodies support. I feel very much to shake these things away from my mind, because I was really alone with that for few years and recently I felt like it's growing much over my head. So it is true, that by connecting to other informed human beings I try to protect my own sanity.
And I found it helps, by the way.
But it's probable, that I will be oversensitive to reactions if I start relating it, even to no reactions, anything, I might get lot of strange emotions about myself and there is really none around to take care of me. That's why I am hesitant with writing it on the board. You are far away but I believe you are kind and familliar with the subject. So it depends on circumstances.
To ATO: Yes, I agree with you, they can tell lies. But if you know them long enough and proove them , that you recognize them telling truth and lie, they will refrain from doing it.
It's also very true, that your and my aliens might have different behavioral patterns but even in that case I still find lot of simillarities.
If I ever say that this and that is my view of truth, I don't mean that you are not right. I can have better view in one case, you can have better view in other case. It does not sound natural that we would know same things and be correct in every instance.
I take you very seriously and if I make jokes sometimes, it's purely to relieve my tension and make you laugh too.
And last but not least, it looks like I've had headache yesterday and kept writing which is not the best thing to do.
Thanks for understanding and, please,don't get upset because of me
tongue E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 25th, 2006, 4:31pm

E

To answer you

It is you who made that statement about the aliens and their ability to understand our society not me.

I wish to clarify my self to you.

It is apparent you are unable to converse effectively in english and I wish you well in your own search for truth. I however find all you have said to be gibberish. I can find nothing redeeming or verifiable in your statements they are contradictory,argumentative and based on a very misinformed knowledge the world, forces of nature, and what science accepts as the realities of our universe. your statements have no real basis in fact and are viewed by me to be the ranting of someone who wishes to be seen as an authority but has nothing to back it with.
Even with all your assurances and pseudo scientific jargon you present yourself as a fraud with every word you write. I suggest you buy a spell checker an english dictionary and a thesaurus. Invest a few more moments reviewing the meaning for your words and choose them with greater care. As for gravity and magnetism they are not I repeat not the same thing. they are forces that have no connection between them. You expose your ignorance and lack of understanding when you say things like gravity and magnetism are related. they are not and have nothing to do with how or why aliens can transit our world. That is unless you believe the aliens use gravity generators to create the motion of their craft. then the magnetic field would not be involved with its operation only gravity.
Please desist from attempting to impress me with your knowledge and understanding of aliens I don’t think you know anything of value to me and I can not abide fools.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 25th, 2006, 4:46pm

Your words appear to me unnecessarily arrogant, they just proove you are not intersted in the subject more than in your own theories, which you gathered from elsewhere and not willing to listen to anybody else.
Your above written statements appear very complex and factual but to me they are not more than collection of avarage persons observation.
It does not tell anything wrong about yourself but I can't really imagine that you would be able to talk to aliens without thesaurus or something like that.
Also it seems that you don't believe in existence of aliens at all, because your interest in that case would be better. I'm able to communicate in English quite well but if you mind mistakes, you can correct them.
Nice of you.
I'd send you the link to the main of my experiences related to the subject , but this tone of yours doesn't suggest that it's worth of effort. The link is few pages back.
Apart from that I don't know what puzzles you on the fact that we are subject to combined effect of magnetism and gravity of the earths core, magnets can be heavy too, isn't it so ?
It's simillar like to proove that 1+1=1. It sounds illogical but there is a way how to proove the statement.
It reminds me of the way of how much different is our and other beings way of logic. I mean to say that the universe we live in probably contains many parallel dimensional systems and most of them are not reachable from our point of view, but we can find them as abstract mathematical probability and even proove them on theoretical bases. Those other beings were born among different star systems, with other gravity, frequency of radiation and timespace factors, and these conditions are actually responsible in long term , how the being will be able to comprehend its own consciouss interaction with himself, the place and universe, that means on which abstract level of logic he will possibly move. The levels are flexible cattegory, I suppose , from broader point of view and there is no way to state them correctly here. I don't think anybody including all beings in the universe knows everything .
More those beings know,less proud they seem to be about it .
There was no way I've said that aliens are creating artificial gravitation field on their crafts. They have more advanced technologies enabling them to create dimensional shifts. Even small child would be able to describe these things if it had seen them.
I hope you will see something yourself one day.
I've disscussed with some astrophysics on simillar subjects, they are all very reserved, but we didn't find any logical controversies in my observations , so I'm not so stupid as you seem to "sense remotely."
Unless you proove real interest, nobody is going to tell you anything about aliens, have you noticed, that it is sensitive matter ?

Nice that you appeared here, they will like you
smiley E.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jun 25th, 2006, 7:00pm

E, im sorry i dont seem to be able to follow your train of thought, you have constantly contradicted yourself numerous times . Your thoughts are somewhat jibberish when broken down and from what ive seen in the last two posts (your english suddenly seemed to improve somewhat in them than from the earlier posts) that it is not due to the language barrior but perhaps something else. What you are presenting are simply your experiences yet you present them as facts, as in "i will tell you how things are" (or something to that). when someone else says or contradicts it you seem to throw in things like perhaps the reader isnt able (or educated enough perhaps?) to comprehend what you are saying. perhaps its your tone, i dont know, all i know is that like woody, id rather not post back to any of your jibberish. if youd like to post your experiences that is quite acceptable, but please know that support means allowing you to speak and post freely, supporting you doesnt necessarily mean agreeing with you or accepting what you post as fact or as possible facts if in case the reader feels they are not.
for example you say: Quote:
they just proove you are not intersted in the subject more than in your own theories, which you gathered from elsewhere and not willing to listen to anybody else.
Your above written statements appear very complex and factual but to me they are not more than collection of avarage persons observation.
kind of arrogant isnt it? hes not willing to "listen" to anybody else? what you mean is he's not willing to blindly accept what youre saying. and, not more than collection of "average" persons observation? excuse me hon, but i would think the majority of us here are average people. are you saying you are above average in interpreting the aliens?

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they just proove you are not intersted in the subject more than in your own theories
i guess we could say the same about you.

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Second thing is that at the moment I start writing it down, I will be extremely vulnerable to everything else, so I won't do this without purpose or somebodies support
and we can be here to support you by listening but i dont know what it is you are needing? we can support you by listening but thats not good enough for you.
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If you really want to know something and by chance I do, I'll tell you , but I'm not much to disscussions these days.

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My experiences with E.T.s I've not put down yet and I'd rather wait till it interests someone personnaly
why dont you just write down what it is you "need" from us mew? what kind of support are you needing? what would help you? because i have to tell you right now hon, you are totally out there contradicting yourself left and right and confusing us. and i dont say that to hurt or upset you, but to try to understand you better.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 25th, 2006, 7:03pm

I think Woody has been very patient actually. I've read the postings of all on this thread, difficult to do with some, and see very little clarity except with his writings. (Not you QOH!) Why he bothers I cannot answer.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jun 25th, 2006, 7:26pm

yea hj i have a huge headache just from trying to understand it all hon. i give up
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 25th, 2006, 7:39pm

Avarage from the point of view that I have known them a bit personnaly and he might not.
Avarage can be about anything, you know, like how many tomatoes you eat daily, but it doesn't say better or worse. I am like this with him, because he seems to be used to that.

I don't know what to do with the subject to move on.
I know what I'd need, or may be don't know. But it appears difficult to post it there without special intent.
You know like : And what you want to tell them ?
And why ? And what answer you expect to get ?
These are exactly my questions. The Bodhgaya experience started to open my eyes to these things out of sudden and it's just too much in short time for me to digest and explain. I am not contradicting myself , I am just inquering about the possible logical explanations of my experiences. If I find contradictions, I always continue searching. So I do it.
If I find the correct way , how to relate the experiences to others, not to harm anybody including myself, I will do it for sure.
I've not spoken about them before anywhere, so it might take time and effort to me to feel well about it.
I don't expect you to "agree" , I don't know when it will be actually suitable and I am much afraid of reactions .
There are always many factors in a play, sorry for mistakes, but my English is equall to my mood.

Thanks for understanding,
and please , don't get angry with me, the reasons would be anyway purely virtual,

smiley E.


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 25th, 2006, 7:44pm

My personal quest began 38 years ago. I was twelve when I saw that strange cigar shaped craft out side my bedroom window. Since that day I have been obsessed with the search for answers to what it was, who was in it, how it worked, where it came from, where it went, and why was it here?
In the intervening time I have read almost every printed word about aliens and ufos seen every program that dealt with the subject and explored every web site with ufos and aliens as their focus.
I have invested more than half of my life in this subject and will continue till I find my answers or I die. I seek out everything I can.
I do so every evening and with each new discovery I add to my theory. with every new idea I test it and probe it to distinguish what is fact and what is speculation I assign the appropriate definitions and edit it into my work. I still have not found anything about the aliens and their interactions with us that does not fit within my theory.
In every other theory I have heard or read I find contradictions and special cases that do not fit the mold of that theory.
I pride myself on having a very wide knowledge base about this subject and am thus able to write and converse coherently and at length.
I am willing and eager to hear what is known and thought about aliens and ufos. I actively seek it and when given the opportunity to voice my opinion do so with as much accuracy and honesty as I can muster.
I do not wish to belittle anyone and do not wish to cause hurt or harm. I will however challenge any inaccuracies or expose outright fabrications as what they are.
If you speak of a scientific knowledge and then say something that is patently false or erroneous expect my response to be very negative and my opinion of you to diminish. If you can’t take the time to know what it is you are talking about then it is always best to say nothing.
With all this off my chest I will retire till called upon or I feel the need to interject my thoughts again.
Thanks for the compliments and the support HJ and Queenofhearts
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 26th, 2006, 01:04am

Well Woody, all I can say is you have a better handle on reality than some others. You do come off a little pretentious at times but we all need to forgive each other our little faults. It's the major delusions that can't be ignored and that muddy the perceptions of everyone reading that can't be left unattended to. We here want the truth, that's why we are here. I don't know what the truth is. All I can do is read everything and run it through the mental filter that I use daily to judge everything. Your writings flowed through easily.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 26th, 2006, 06:45am

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lol, anyway. I still can't decide what it is the aliens want from Earth. Could they simply want to walk the Earth at will, and infuse their ways into Earth culture like many people tried with feudal Japan? Or do they want resources? It seems to me that the opposing alien factions just want to expand their rule and get followers.

The invaders don't simply stand back and toy with humanity. Many of them are humanity - sending their spirits to live in human bodies, it seems. Any of us here could be an off-worlder and not know it. Most off-world factions apparently aim to make humanity a branch of their own civilization and put away the original Earth spirits. This is most apparent with the angels. When you pay attention to out-of-body and near-death experiences: A person's guardian angel sometimes refers to the person as though they were also an angel - sometimes a superior one - and during NDEs, the person says many of the angels seem strikingly familiar to him, because, simply, he's one of them. One should note that a lot of people don't have guardian angels at all, so of course, not everyone is one of them.

The angels - from what they've said - have infused themselves mostly in Europe and the US. The genetic makeup of a white person is apparently angelic. (no, that's not necessarily a good thing) I've read a page by someone who appears knowledgeable on interplanetary species - http://www.think-aboutit.com/aliens/truth_about_orion1.htm - and says the native Americans had a lot of Reptilian genes in them, which would explain why European (primarily angel) immigrants wanted to kill them off. Though, I'll note that native Americans tend to worship an Earth-spirit, which doesn't sound like a Reptilian trait to me. A very reputable near-death experience (Howard Storm) reports the angels saying they purposely had Europeans split off and create the US. Apparently it wasn't an accident when Columbus' ships were blown off-course, and neither was the slaughter thereafter.

In effect, this means Earth cultures and races reflect those of the planet their life cycle belongs to. A Reptilian in Europe will seem out-of-place and will likely be ignored/hated by them. Or for example, I live in the US, and even though I'm genetically your typical white-guy, I'm out of place here, I appear to have no guardian angel, I've absolutely hated sunlight for as long as I can remember, and I've always been uncomfortable with the bible and thoughts of angels (recently coming to terms with the fact that I'd like them dead). It's easy to guess I'm not an angel. There's a chance I'm Reptilian, but I'd prefer to think I'm one of Earth's originals. Or I could just be a traitorous angel - I wouldn't know just yet.

Anyway go back to whatever you all were talking about.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 26th, 2006, 07:39am

Z, your latest posting is so funny. I believe that we all have Guardian Angels. This belief is supported by my many personal contacts with Angels and with angelic human beings. When you say that you are an original human being created on this planet, that qualifies for the joke of the week. Don't you realize that the human race is an experimental race that was transported to this planet? I think that you have oversimplified your belief system in order to understand the complexities of creation. I wish you luck. Unless you have had personal experiences with Angels and UFOs and ET's then your ability to understand is very limited.

What do you think? Irwyn cool


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 26th, 2006, 08:19am

I'm not as advanced as any of you here, but my understanding is that angels and human beings are two different species. One can't be the other.... like a dog can't be a cat. The frequencies are different. That's how I understand it anyway. Am I making sense?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 26th, 2006, 08:57am

I think that no reasonable alien would live here for long.
smiley
And because they can not stay on Earth without any artificial support, they use human bodies as vehicles for their temporary dwelling. If they colonize the planet this way, nobody would really notice that something happened. If they come without support, they appear dream like , but they all seem to depend on connection with their mothership, which grants them power field protection. If they moved freely through the streets, they would die soon.

cheesy E.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 26th, 2006, 4:07pm

on Jun 26th, 2006, 07:39am, timetraveler wrote:
Z, your latest posting is so funny. I believe that we all have Guardian Angels. This belief is supported by my many personal contacts with Angels and with angelic human beings. When you say that you are an original human being created on this planet, that qualifies for the joke of the week. Don't you realize that the human race is an experimental race that was transported to this planet? I think that you have oversimplified your belief system in order to understand the complexities of creation. I wish you luck. Unless you have had personal experiences with Angels and UFOs and ET's then your ability to understand is very limited.

What do you think? Irwyn cool

Sometimes I wonder about you
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by timetraveler on Jun 26th, 2006, 6:21pm

This forum seems to be in an attack mode. Why are we doing character assassinations instead of sharing different viewpoints and theories? Each one of our personal experiences is different, even as our UFOs and ETs contacts are different. Should we all conform to the same thoughts and ideas and experiences? I think this is my cue to leave this topic forum. Irwyn sad
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 26th, 2006, 6:47pm

Well HJ
I suppose you can call me pretentious I have been called much worse like arrogant self absorbed, conceited, hard headed, and a variety of body parts and byproducts, alone and in combination.
The sad part is it was my wife who called me these things.
I guess pretentious is not so bad. LOL

I am pleased you found my prose easy to read. My question to you is did any of my arguments provide any points you could agree with? If not. What did you disagree with and why?

I do not know if you were able to view last nights episode of the 4400. I was beside myself and burst out laughing when the little girl Karra was taken again and brought to the future. In the scene at the end the woman from the future stated that all the things they had changed in the abductees and all the actions of these individuals had not had an effect on their time line and they were going to die so they were going to send her back even further in time to attempt to change things from further in the past.

It sounds like someone took my theory and made a screen play out of it.
The similarities are uncanny.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 26th, 2006, 11:12pm

Sorry Woody. Pretentious was probably too strong a word. You can call me some descriptive word if you like to make up for it. Lol!

Your theories are pretty much the same as my own. I can find no fault with them as far as evidence or logic and that's why I prefer them to the many other theories and ideas offered. I don't express them here as much as I used to because no one seemed very interested in the time travel angle. Quite simply, it could explain many of the mysteries of UFOs and aliens.

HJ

PS: I've never watched The 4400.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 27th, 2006, 9:08pm

So far HJ
I have no reason to apply any disparaging monikers to you.

I am surprised how many people on these ufo groups do not watch the show.

I am intrigued as to why but so far I’ve not been convinced by the answers.

My personal acquaintances number about 30 close associates and out of the thirty people at least 5 watch the 4400.

By that percentage out of the hundreds of people (at least 500) I have asked that question of in the ufo groups at least fifty people should be viewers. To date I believe only three have actually admitted to watching and in most cases my question seems to inspire a knee jerk reaction.

If I was a conspiracy theorist I might infer that the majority of the ufo community were conditioned to avoid shows that contradict their personal concepts or belief structures for their respective aliens.

There also appears to be an aversion to mainstream science. I do not consider myself exceptional but as an adjunct to ufo’s and aliens I considered science the best way to understand what they were and where they came from. Even if all the other scientists would not admit aliens were here I was sure something was and I figured it was through science I would discover the truth.
Also if I were ever to discover the answers I would want to be able to prove it to everyone including the scientists

Just a couple of observations if any of the readers has some input I would love to hear from you.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 27th, 2006, 11:32pm

The conspiracy theory couldn't apply to myself since I agree with your theories and you said The 4400 does also.

I also agree that science will help provide the answers rather than fantasies or beliefs. Even if most of the reports seem to indicate something beyond our current scientific knowlege.

The problem is that true research scientists generally refuse to study the subject (with only a few exceptions). I think this is a direct result of unbelievable claims and beliefs being widely publicized. This causes the whole subject to be dismissed by scientists as unworthy of study and possibly career damaging. Of course if Bill Gates were to fund an investigation, there would be no shortage of qualified applicants. I suppose this will not change soon.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 28th, 2006, 12:28am

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true research scientists generally refuse to study the subject

I really wish people would be more careful not to call every drunken imbecile who doesn't know left from right a scientist.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 28th, 2006, 08:45am

Quote:
I really wish people would be more careful not to call every drunken imbecile who doesn't know left from right a scientist.

Zaresta
You make my point for me. This statement which you have voiced many times when responding to comments about scientists and science in general. is unprovoked and spurious. Neither I nor HJ have referred to any specific scientist. To assume that all the research scientists are drunken imbeciles is completely unwarranted. If I or HJ had named a specific individual then you could make statements about that individual but I would be careful here as well. This could be considered liable and you might find yourself charged with a crime.
I am interested in why you are so disparaging to scientists and their profession?
You appear to make irrational statements with regard to this. Were you scared by a scientist as a child? Or was it your father who was the drunken scientists?
In any event to class all scientists as drunkards is unreasonable and insupportable.
So to put it in your words I wish you would reframe from baseless irrational statements about scientists. When and if I name a specific scientists you may comment on the specific attributes of that individual.
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 28th, 2006, 09:21am

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In any event to class all scientists as drunkards is unreasonable and insupportable

then don't do it
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 28th, 2006, 09:28am

Just ran across this site and this page caught my eye:

http://www.exopolitics.org/GalacticDiplomacy/GD-ET-Motivations-4.htm

Maybe you've seen it before.....if so, I'm sorry.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 28th, 2006, 10:12am

Very handy. It struck me, just now, that all of our visitors are from stellar systems within our own galaxy - in fact, those systems are relatively close. I hear most civilizations exist through multiple stellar systems, but I wonder how much of the galaxy they've really covered. Do politics and situations change drastically when you go to the other side of the galaxy? Or is it the usual hierarchic slavery and fighting? I wonder how often we get visitors from completely different galaxies, and if they regard us and all these atrocious off-world species as a single group.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 28th, 2006, 10:35am

Yes, I think that the political situation dramatically changes if you go to another part of the galaxy, I mean not our galaxy, but to some faraway galaxies, if you go, there it might be certainly better.
Some parts of the Universe might be populated much more, we are not in the centre of our universe at all, we are on the edge of the middle in the space where nobody usually goes.
Now those favourite faraway galaxies are still not in the middle but the form a large ring around. And in the middle there is big living nowhere, mother and father of all creation. It never dissepears untill the end of times.
Politics is not good anywhere. If the thing called politics already appears, it's a warning sign, that something's wrong with the beings. If they show hierarchies, injustice follows. We should not think too much about ourselves if we are watching the heavens.

smiley
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 28th, 2006, 10:37am

Hi Star

I believe I have seen this page before and have used it or something very like it to help me in defining my theory. In other pages on this site a great deal of speculation goes on in reference to these differing alien types and how they have influenced and interfered with us. The attempt to identify the individual characteristics of these aliens is well documented. However in my opinion they ignore possible explanations that could contradict their assertions. I feel this site is as myopic as almost all the others I have investigated.

Hj
I agree with your assessment for the reasons mainstream science tends to ignore ufo’s. To me the profession is peopled with individuals who must possess a large degree of curiosity. To pursue science is to seek the answers to questions that are as yet unanswered. This is a prerequisite for this profession.
As I said in previous posts I watch everything that has to do with ufos. To add to that I also include every science program that is aired. I also subscribe to all the news letters from the major world authorities on science Like JPL Nasa SETI, ect...

On the whole most scientists do not admit to associations with ufo groups but all have opinions and speculations about the subject. I have seen read and heard many top scientists such as David Hawking speculate on the possibilities of aliens and ufo’s. Admittedly they are reticent to state anything more than personal hopes and fears but nearly all of science now acknowledges that the possibility of life on other planets is quite real and even probable. Why else would we be spending billions of dollars to explore our solar system. It is the search for life that is driving this.

I would like to ask our group to participate in an unofficial pole. Do any of you watch the new series “The 4400”. If so do you feel any of the show is worthy of speculation or do you view it as purely entertainment. If you do not watch, could you tell me why?

Thanks everyone
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 28th, 2006, 11:00am

Mewtwo
As always completely unintelligible. I can make no since of what you say.
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Ashiana24 on Jun 28th, 2006, 11:39am

on Jun 28th, 2006, 09:28am, Star wrote:
Just ran across this site and this page caught my eye:

http://www.exopolitics.org/GalacticDiplomacy/GD-ET-Motivations-4.htm

Maybe you've seen it before.....if so, I'm sorry.


Good Morning, Star. smiley

I just tried to access that site several times and I get a message "Access Denied." Can you please try to access it again and let me know if it's working for you.

Thank you, Star.

http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi

~ Ashiana

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 28th, 2006, 12:08pm

Quote:
I agree with your assessment for the reasons mainstream science tends to ignore ufo’s. To me the profession is peopled with individuals who must possess a large degree of curiosity. To pursue science is to seek the answers to questions that are as yet unanswered. This is a prerequisite for this profession.


Now that you point that out and it is certainly correct, it's amazing that there isn't a full scale assault on the problem by the scientific community. My god, what bigger mystery is there? Perhaps there's just too much c**p to wade through to find the gold nuggets necessary to justify the work. But if I were a drunken imbecilic scientist, I would certainly try.

HJ


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 28th, 2006, 1:40pm

No, Woody, you can't make any thing out of this because it was not writen down somewhere else,
and you can't even imagine, how did I come to such conclusions and I don't expect you to have such vivid imagination.
Please don't compare pears and apples, it looks really unintelligable.

smiley
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 28th, 2006, 2:27pm

A lot of it sounded like the things I always talk about, especially with the hierarchies. I'm pretty curious where you got the info on the seclusiveness of our galaxy.

The web page on the alien species mentioned the aliens spreading conflicting religions. It never occurred to me that maybe they want the religions to conflict and turn humanity against each other. I always figured the aliens were just inconsistent or mis-communicating the religious stories they made up, but an intentional conflict would make sense.

Sometimes their behavior indicates that they themselves are following the religions. The ones communicating with Earth may be nothing more than followers themselves, preaching the word and spreading it virally through the galaxy, and they might be subject to conflicting religions as well. One thing I noticed was how - through history - the aliens would stop by random Earth civilizations, tell the people to worship them, then leave, as though they were jumping from planet to planet and doing this like a job.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 28th, 2006, 4:06pm

I think it comes from few independent resources of extraterrestrial origin.

It's not of any use here anyway.

Religions might be of better use but who is to religions these days ?

It's all virtualy good for nothing.

Well, light to appear to all things one day,

smiley
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 28th, 2006, 6:03pm

Ashiana, that link works perfectly for me. Try it again. If you still can't access it, try this one. It's the site's home page:

http://www.exopolitics.org/GalacticDiplomacy/Home.htm

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 28th, 2006, 8:38pm

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002541.html

This is a page from one of the news letters I receive.
The News Letter is called defencetec and is authored by Noah Shachtman.
Though it has little to do with aliens or ufos I find it interesting for many reasons.

Many here and on other groups have discussed the fear and inescapable aspects of alien abductions. If we were able to monitor our air space and ground activity from high altitude rather than from orbit we may be able to interfere with these abductions or possibly trap and capture some aliens.
The reason I post this page for you is because I was interested in it as a possible way for creating an air borne monitoring system which might help to identify and track or even interdict alien incursions within our cities or if expanded to a large enough scale, possibly a way to monitor the air space and ground activity over the majority of the populated world.
I thought this might fit the bill
There are many other articles all primarily about DARPA and its futuristic projects. It often has stories on devices and aircraft being proposed and funded that I find no where else.
Many of the subjects are of future weapons systems but many are on research that is part of the far out edge of science.
I hope you find it of interest.
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 28th, 2006, 9:08pm

http://ufoevidence.org/

This is a site which has a huge data base and numerous articles about ufos and aliens I enjoy the variety and scope of research presented.
I find this web site one of the better ones. Their are a wide range of topics discussed. I do not find any majority opinion or pet theory as the focus. They appear to be truly engaged in a scientific investigation of the subject of ufos not just one theory.
I hope you find it as informative as I have.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 28th, 2006, 9:22pm

Actually according to a lot of sources, the government is permitting the abductions. Apparently they made a treaty allowing abductions of a certain amount of the population in exchange for techs. Someone on this site said the government allowed 10 percent of the population to be abducted, but it's starting to seem like they made a new treaty allowing more, and that one of their treaties required the government to sabotage NASA's space missions.

Quote:
I think it comes from few independent resources

It'd be great to have a website link or something. I'd say it's a lot of use
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jun 28th, 2006, 9:24pm

thanks for the sites woody, very interesting indeed. lots to read thru. i would have thought theyd have something like that already in place , the IRIS, im really surprised that there isnt. But i think its a great idea, being able to perhaps catch an abduction in the making.
both sites are great, will have fun going thru them. smiley
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jun 28th, 2006, 9:27pm

Quote:
Actually according to a lot of sources, the government is permitting the abductions. Apparently they made a treaty allowing abductions of a certain amount of the population in exchange for techs


yea i think youre pretty right on this one zareste, and yea i also believe the treaty was broken and more abductions took place than were suppose to.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 28th, 2006, 9:28pm

Our government allowing the aliens to abduct a certain number of the population......I guess that's part of the "family values" they keep talking about. LOL
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 28th, 2006, 9:35pm

on Jun 28th, 2006, 9:28pm, Star wrote:
Our government allowing the aliens to abduct a certain number of the population......I guess that's part of the "family values" they keep talking about. LOL



ROFLMAO





Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 28th, 2006, 10:35pm

I know of no proof that abductions have been sanctioned but many have made claims so suggest it.

In support of our government and its efforts to prevent these things from happening I was considering something i saw a few months ago.

I am trying to locate one of the web sites I viewed a few months back but as yet I’m unable to find the book mark for it.

The reason I was looking for it was it contained a global map. This map was overlaid with the sighting reports for 2005/ 2006 of the black triangular ufos.

I wanted to ask all of you if you have seen or heard anything about them.

What I find intriguing about these craft is that they are a world wide phenomena.

In almost every case of past ufo reports there are significant differences in the craft seen and reported. This one type of craft appear to be global visitors.

There appears to be something different about their activities as opposed to other alien craft as well.

When I saw the map I noticed that all the reports appear to focus along the coast lines of the respective nations and continents. It is as if they were patrolling the boarders and few ever venture inland for more than a few hundred miles always looping back to the coast. The highest percentage of reports are from the USA. They also appear to be focussed primarily in the western world and fewer are reported over europe and asia. Still the reports are of exactly the same craft type all silently patrolling the night sky.

I begin to believe these craft are ours.
Something we have back engineered or co-opted from the aliens.
We may have developed craft that propel themselves with the same means as that of the aliens.

With our proclivity for weapons we may also have some lethal surprises for any aliens that happen to be caught by these night stalkers.

Ever the optimist I hope this is so.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 28th, 2006, 11:45pm

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I noticed that all the reports appear to focus along the coast lines of the respective nations

Interesting. Y'know it would make perfect sense if aliens hung out over the ocean - it'd be good for concealment and they can hang out over international space. I wonder if boaters spot them very often.

I don't know if this might be related, but one of the major organizations in alien contact is calling themselves the Department of the Navy - http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter31.htm - which is supposed to be a cover name, but perhaps they need the navy's ships for contact of some sort. Also I think Razor said California (the coast) is wrought with underground bases.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 29th, 2006, 12:32am

Zareste
I am not sure as the map did not place any observations off the continents but I believe this is just an oversight or lack of complete investigation of the subject.
There may well have been seen over water but I do not recall if that was mentioned. I was struck by the tremendous number as well. well over 10,000 reports world wide. all within two years.
This in its self is a significant detail.

Woody

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 29th, 2006, 12:37am

As far as the governmental permissions are concerned, think what you like, but this is not pure truth to me.
If there was a treaty between the sides it was created on the unconsciouss level, those people sitting in the parlament are not essentially stronger than anyone of us. If they were by chance conntacted by aliens, it could possibly happen on the same level as with abductees etc., I don't think that they carry any consciouss responsibility over the happenings.
It seems that all high position places are actually occupied by people who were submitted to one or another sort of aliens, in politics, media and science, these are quite talented people, who want to obey ,but it does not happen on consciouss level, they are also human beings and would not agree, if they know the whole truth.
To me it looks like very organized action from the alien side and attempt to infiltrate the society easily from inside.
It's also possible that if you have very strong aversion towards authorities as I do , don't obey aliens either, you won't get any important position in the system with responsibility over many people, regardless your actuall dispositions.
Well, if these conspiracy theories are true by chance, it might be difficult to do anything, because you never know, when one of those people becomes so organized that he agrees.
I could agree on that there was a treaty broken by coincidence and it does not exist any more, but my main question is, who are those aliens to sign peace treaty with and if anyone of you would do it on consciouss level.

By resources I mean my personnal alien resources , independent means that the same fact I've seen few times on various occassions by communication with different kinds of e.t.s.
One and untill now the most important of my observations I've tried to describe in lenght and it's on this page : http://www.ufocasebook.com/2002spaceshipencounter/html. Don't mind the beginning, it may sound vague, but I had to write there something for explanation, and the story starts in the middle. I am working on detailed version of the same experience.
I might try to release whatever I remember from their encounters, because I feel that it's the time to do it.
I'm already 32 and one never knows.

smiley
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 29th, 2006, 01:03am

The Catalina channel off S. Calif is a well known hot bed of USO and UFO sightings. Of course, if their technology allows for such incredible speeds, they can abduct wherever they please because they can get there so quickly. As has been reported, their ability to blink out and disappear would negate any preference for concealment so I can't understand why there's more numerous abductions along the coastal areas.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 29th, 2006, 01:31am

Mewtwo

Once more I have to say something about your responses to my posts. I have as much forbearance as necessary to comunicate with thousands of people who do not speak english well and hundreds of those have limited knowledge and facility with the english language at all.
I must make an observation I feel is pertinent.
In all my other dealings with people who do not understand and communicate in english they continue to interject their own words into the discussion and I am forced to find definitions to match their words.
They all at least acknowledge their in ability to communicate what they want in english and resort to their native language.
Although this makes it more difficult for me to understand them it serves to clarify their statements in the only language they understand fully.
I have a great deal of difficulty following anything you say and your statements make no coherent point from beginning to end.
I know of a few translation programs that may be able to help you. You would write in your own language and the text could be translated by the software into a more intelligible document. I will attempt to locate it for you.
You obviously have difficulty making your self understood as I and many others would agree. this leads me to believe you could be well served by this. Not to say you do not care if you are understood but you do not care to learn how to be better understood.
I will try to find it for you. If for no other reason as it may make it easier for us.
I can not make heads or tails of what you say as it appears to be complete gibberish. Even your past attempts at insults are ineffective as they are more humorous than hurtful.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 29th, 2006, 01:35am

Zareste
As for the article you posted about the DON and its role in alien and ufo investigations I was not completely convinced. The most irritating part of this document is it gives no way to effectively check and verify the statements and conclusions of the author. There are many well written speculations and a extremely convincing portrayal of actions and instances but no way I can trace the authenticity or actual occurrence of the statements of this individual.
I will however attempt to gather what I can and see if his statements and contentions have any verifiable content.
I suspect I will not be able to verify the claims of this essay but it does not preclude the possibility of a germ of truth to be within it.
All things are relative and even lies contain truth.
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 29th, 2006, 01:46am

Hj

I do not know weather more or less activity occurs along the coast line and I do not know that coastal inhabitants experience any greater or lesser ufo occurrences in general. I was speaking only of a graphic of reported citing of this one type of craft. I do not know of any instances of abduction or harmful activity attributed to these craft. In every instance they are all observed gliding silently through the night a few hundred feet in the air and posing no threat to anyone who observed them.
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 29th, 2006, 01:58am

Ok, I guess I misunderstood. BTW, just a suggestion: It's much easier and effective to ignore what is unintelligible than to respond to it.

HJ

PS: whether & sightings are the proper spellings
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 29th, 2006, 02:21am

Woody, please, stop. Stop and listen. I have my own report written down quite well, checked by few people already and the reason why you don't understand what I say now, it's not because of language.
Do you have the thread to my theories ?
It's somewhere above. Moreover it's about direct experiences and I try to put things down as they come to my mind, I am no way obssessed with theories of other people these days.
Stop talking about my language, I've recieved enough education and practise to communicate, so please, this is not your thread, your replies to your posts, your private place to chase me out, and I don't expect you sending me translation programms either.
If you don't stop the accusation attempts, I will ask at the board what to do next.
I'm not here for a joke and don't share your views not because I thing that they are wrong, but because I have seen more than that.
Do you understand or not ?
I will talk to you in simple sentences, you know, so you don't have so many difficulties with understanding.
YOU don't know what am I talking about, because YOU didn't read my papers. So , please, again, this is not only your thread with your posts and replies.
Do I have to repeat it again ?

smiley

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 29th, 2006, 1:28pm

Uh, anyway I ran across a map of sightings - http://www.ufomaps.com/

Interesting - someone down the street from me had seen flying lights in a triangle formation, and someone in the city saw a cigar-craft. In fact these were in the same month I saw the fighter jets overhead.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 29th, 2006, 1:48pm

Funny that they don't show anything for New York State. I know there have been many sightings in my area, Buffalo, NY.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 29th, 2006, 6:47pm

Hi HJ

OOOPPPS

Isn’t my face red.

I do apologize for my cross comments to mewtwo and my complete F%$& up with the misused words I have no excuse except it was after 2 AM and I had taken a Vicodin and drank a few beers. Not a good idea to try to communicate when one is slightly stoned. LOL.
I also have to stop relying on my spell checker to catch all my mistakes.
It is obvious I am not perfect either. At least I used the phonetic equivalent. I do apologize for picking on her and will no longer attempt to tell her how badly she expresses herself.
As you say it’s easier to just ignore it.

Woody
embarassed
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 29th, 2006, 8:33pm

http://www.nidsci.org/images/nids1_files/image_map.gif

Recent Analysis of the NIDS Database

In mid 2004, NIDS again reviewed our database comprising the locations of the Triangle sightings in the
United States. We find (see the Map #1) the sightings of Triangles appear primarily adjacent to population
centers and along Interstate Highways. From the map, the Triangle sightings cluster on both coasts.
The flight path direction of the Triangle aircraft is shown by the direction of the black arrow on the map.
If an arrow points west, the Triangle was reported flying west. The results are shown here:

I did not find the one I wanted but this one is good as it not only shows the location but also the direction.

The number of sightings is also different. I wonder why the disparity?

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 29th, 2006, 9:38pm

I see this is 2004! The map I remember is for 05/06. I will keep looking.

If any of you happen across it I would appreciate the link. I get obsessed with things sometimes. Its like an itch I can't scratch.

Zareste you said one of your friends saw something recently. did they notice anything about size or any specifics of it other than the lights? Just curious.

I am starting to think we may be flying these things. They act like they are patrolling an area and loitering in space waiting for something. Just like we do with our long range drones.

Everything I have seen so far says that they are very large and completely silent. They appear to have three lights one at each point of the triangle and these craft glide just a few hundred feet above the ground and as low as just over roof tops. Many have been seen in the north east and along the west coast. They do appear to be seen moving from the interior states toward the coast and back but they have no apparent originating point they just melt into and out of the night.

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/flying_triangle_040902.html

this is a page that supports my thinking on this.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jun 29th, 2006, 10:16pm

Actually it was something I read on the map - someone down the street recorded seeing lights in a triangle formation on May 6th and that's all they said.

What would be interesting is to note the weather patterns in areas of sightings - hurricanes storms tornadoes etc.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 29th, 2006, 11:43pm

Here's a page with maps of different areas of the world showing sightings:

http://www.larryhatch.net/MAPSMENU.html

Map of where black triangles have been sighted in the U.S.:

http://www.nidsci.org/news/images/ufo-map.jpg

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jun 30th, 2006, 3:14pm

smiley Yes, I am underdeveloped even in my own star system and what about here.
Keep smiling.
Is being ashamed good for health ?

tongue
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 30th, 2006, 5:13pm

Quote:
Hi HJ

OOOPPPS

Isn’t my face red.



Not a big deal Woody. I have trouble ignoring such things though. I edited online books for awhile and errors like that just reach through the monitor screen and grab me. Sort of like the series "MonK" where he can't help himself. Lol! Keep up the good work!

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jun 30th, 2006, 5:15pm

Quote:
Sort of like the series "MonK" where he can't help himself. Lol! Keep up the good work


hey HJ, how are you hon? oh i love that show by the way smiley
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 30th, 2006, 7:30pm

I had a wild idea Monk abducted by aliens. Now that would be a funny episode. There are so many possible gags I think it would be hilarious. Maybe I should send it to them. They have been advertising characters wanted.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jun 30th, 2006, 7:33pm

on Jun 30th, 2006, 7:30pm, woodgnome49 wrote:
I had a wild idea Monk abducted by aliens. Now that would be a funny episode. There are so many possible gags I think it would be hilarious. Maybe I should send it to them. They have been advertising characters wanted.

Woody


LOL woody that would be HILARIOUS! you out to send it to them, oh man the things they could do with that.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 30th, 2006, 7:42pm

How about if Dr. House were abducted by aliens? That could hand us a laugh or two....or three. I wonder how gruff he would be with them? grin
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jun 30th, 2006, 8:42pm

I think House would be better as a debunker and not as the object of abduction. I could see some ufo expert as someone who had been missing for a wile and then shows up in the admitting room unable to remember what happened. He or she does remembering a bright light and someone doing alien like experiments. He/she also exhibits strange marks and something buried under the skin. Of course it has to have a life threatening potential or house would ignore it. The rest of the show would be the near death caused by House miss diagnosis and treatment. Then a final revelation of some mundane coincidence of occurrence that created the loss of memory and self induced medical problems, hallucinations
ect....

Now this sounds like an episode of house.
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jun 30th, 2006, 9:20pm

Bravo!!! laugh
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jun 30th, 2006, 9:38pm

on Jun 30th, 2006, 7:42pm, Star wrote:
How about if Dr. House were abducted by aliens? That could hand us a laugh or two....or three. I wonder how gruff he would be with them? grin


Yeah, I love House. Total jerk with no bedside manner but I love him. lol

How about House trying to diagnose symptoms that the patient says are caused by aliens only to never have the answers but definitely see the problem. Since all of his patient's problems are eventually diagnosed, this episode would be one that is left up in the air - yuk, yuk, got it "up in the air".



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 30th, 2006, 10:34pm

Hi QOH!
I'm getting better. I went through some tough times losing my father but I'm better now. I still dropped in from time to time to check on you all but didn't post much but hey....I'm back! How are you doing? I hope you are feeling better.

Hey Woody it's worth try. They could make the abduction like a dream Monk wakes up from in the end. Then there could be some little thing (say a feather or a water glass) from the dream sitting there when he wakes up. It could be pretty funny seeing him interact with the aliens! cheesy

HJ

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by JohnnyAnonymous on Jun 30th, 2006, 11:00pm

Hi ya HJ,, nice to see ya back,, we missed your logical mind..
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jun 30th, 2006, 11:43pm

Wow! That my friend is an extremely nice compliment and I thank you very much. I missed you guys too.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jul 1st, 2006, 08:05am

Welcome home, HJ........ smiley
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jul 1st, 2006, 12:45pm

Thanks Star! Welcome to your new home.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 6th, 2006, 6:54pm

Hi everyone
I guess the 4th of July activities have consumed a lot of your energies. I spent the time catching up on some reading and trying to cook a BBQ in the middle of a rain storm. Luckily I have a covered car port and was able to stay mostly dry.

I subscribe to many news letters. Here is one I like.

http://spaceweather3.com/

Take a look. There is a lot of information and some very cool images.

I also have a theory about aliens and sunspots but have not gathered enough evidence to support my ideas yet. This site has reports regarding the sun and planets as well as asteroids and comets and star gazing suggestions.
I think it is a great place to find out what is going on in the local solar system.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jul 6th, 2006, 8:15pm

Y'know I've was skimming for UFO photos taken during storms, when something caught my attention: The huge storm clouds often seen over Kansas. It seems odd that one of the driest places in America has been producing the biggest storm clouds you can find. Though I don't want to use aliens to fill in the blank every time something looks weird, I've found a lot of proof that someone has been toying with Earth's weather, and some of these storm clouds just don't look like they should be there. Some super-cells can pop up out of nowhere and defy all weather predictions, then dissipate within an hour or two.

I might just be concerned over nothing, but it always seemed like saucers have been transferring moisture to keep areas of the Earth livable, and sometimes it looks like they dumped a huge load of water over otherwise-dry places.

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Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Jul 6th, 2006, 9:34pm

I have missed so much info while I was gone....lots of reading to catch up on now. I am always happy to see you stop in HJ....and quite happy to see your posts.
Woody, I will have to check out that site...sounds like my kind of place.
Zareste those clouds are really awesome! Does make one wonder about some of the crazy things that have happened in the weather over the past couple of years.
But anyway, I love to photograph storm clouds and those are quite impressive no matter who created them. Lots of food for thought here.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jul 6th, 2006, 10:01pm

Thank you m'lady.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jul 10th, 2006, 01:36am

This 'communication' - http://www.zetatalk.com/index/blog0405.htm - if true, would explain everything. It would mean human DNA is being collected so a new race of hominoids can be placed on Earth after 'Judgment Day', when 90% of Earth's population is killed off. Earth's polarity reversal will apparently spawn the disaster, and it's said that this reversal was 'scheduled'. Aliens, as usual, explain their actions as divine occurrences and not arbitrary atrocities carried out for their agendas.

I find this account believable because it's consistent with all sorts of near-death accounts and abductions, explaining reincarnations and a lot of history without any holes. Most of all, I know that tone of voice from every account of alien or angel you'll hear - it starts with the 'love and light' talk where it amazes you with its vast knowledge, and then the tone begins to change; it starts to talk about widespread death and torture with a sense of apathy, and even delight, describing our suffering as a great thing; it never lacks confidence that it's our rightful owner and would send us to a fate worse than death without a second thought; it talks about the amazing things we could do, but never, under any circumstances, tells us how to do them; and of course it talks endlessly about how we're unwillingly put here to learn to love each other.

'Learning to love each other'. We're being imprisoned on the planet, killed and reincarnated to be killed again thousands of times per person, kept in confusion, and threatened with endless torture. For a bunch of beings who plan to slaughter an entire planet to make way for their own kind, they sure are concerned with love and compassion, aren't they? We were loving and compassionate by default before being placed on a Hellish planet and forced to kill in order to live. I don't know what their excuse is. They want us to be passive and willingly die for them.

Anyway it's starting to seem like a lot of us ended up here in the sort of situation Mewtwo described - coming from other galaxies and being inexplicably pulled in. Most ships are made to deal with coincidental shifts in magnetic pull, but I guess they're not made to deal with artificial shifts meant to suck them in. So we're being joined by new victims every time a ship crashes here. It seems the Milky Way has introduced predatory behavior and we were unprepared to deal with it - people in other galaxies would probably never believe us if we described a place like this.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jul 10th, 2006, 10:24am

smiley I'd like to comment on two points mentioned above.

One is concerned with Ufos and weather changes. According to my observation, which I can't document at the moment, Ufos close approaches cause unpredictable changes of weather, certainly connected with elctromagnetic disturbance of the atmospheric pressure in that particular area. Such changes can take shape of few days drought with fortified pressure in the air which causes the whole nature to unknowingly change its behaviour usually followed by strong electric storms which end up that particular approach.
I'm sure that this is the slightest possible noticable effect which is almost always present, according to my experience.

My second point relates to the psychological pressure produced by so called Zetas and many other well known alien species, especially those , who seem to establish close contact with human beings, introduce themselves and so on. According to my best opinion they just misuse our sensitivity and lack of global information available to us, fear , that we are unable to solve our civilisation problems alone , the same unconscious fear, which causes media and scientists alike to create catastrophic predictions for future and common folk to believe them. These so called star people from elsewhere are so appealing to our own stupidity, as they always were in the past, mystical legendary figures , lights and shadows of every religious system, never prooved and never forgotten.
They are responsible for pieces of knowledge offered to us as meat is offered to hungry dogs for exchange of unvoluntarily responsivness to their vane efforts.
The Day of Judgment was expected and predicted thousands of times in the past (always with great accuracy), because it embodies one of the most basic fears of each and all beings, which we are not able to cope with, that is survival instinct .
In the mean time, this planet kept turning around in simillar way as millions years ago, sure undergoing many climatic changes , though not enough to wipe its inhabitants away from its surface.
Generall tendency of each planet, as it is getting old, is that its motion, shape and atmosphere are getting certainly less disturbed harmonics than before.
Even with best scientific equipments we are unable to predict or controll natural phenomena associated with elementary forces, which all depend on unsettled processes deep in the core of Earth. We have no means yet to determine if hot center of Earth will occasionaly expand , cause continental shifts, volcanos'
eruptions, undersee tornados, change of ocean streems, or anything simillar to that.
Compared to the mass, density and uncontrolable power of the planet, whose time of evolution is rolling slowly in the number of millions of years, we are like tiny ants running from one island to another to hide from a storm and our forcasts still resemble just best opinions of local magician.
Back to the aliens I want to say :
that they can't do much more than us with local natures' conditions , even if they want,
that they are dragged here by their curious spirit of investigation and possible exploitation of natural resources which would be of any use to them ,
that most of them keeps being here for their own purposes,
that they have high knowledge penetrating to their own systems but as none in the Universe is all knowing,
they are not equiped with any special tools to help ourselves and moreover
they see us as underdeveloped specie, which does not deserve any special attention yet.
It shows their lack of information related to our archetype and even if they have, fortunately, higher moral standarts than avarage citizen of Earth, they are still prone to being ignorant , that's why their best intentions, mind manipulations and close interactions with humans seem to be deceptional , questionable and well covered to protect our chance understanding from seeing them as they are.
I believe that they are also aliens with good motivations, who don't lie, but we don't have experience enough yet to discriminate well among the forces.
smiley
Anyway you can't guess, what did I want to tell you , can you ?


smiley mewtwo

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 10th, 2006, 8:08pm

on Jul 10th, 2006, 01:36am, Zareste wrote:
This 'communication' - http://www.zetatalk.com/index/blog0405.htm - if true, would explain everything.


This anonymous document was penned over a nine year period from 1995 - 2004. It is written in a format that ascribes the information to the Zeta (what ever that is) with fill in from the author acting as clarification and authority figure.
I find many parallels to Hindu and Tibetan religious tenants. Also there is a lot of new age language and a smattering of Ideas taken from many cultures. There is nothing here that can be checked or verified in any way. it proposes to give answers when in fact it deludes people into a twisted hodgepodge religion constructed to convince others to believe or be damned.
It’s the same with every religion. Believe Or Be Damned!!!!

Sorry I am not buying it.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jul 10th, 2006, 10:01pm

So your counter-argument is that it was written over a period of time and defies your belief system.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Star on Jul 10th, 2006, 10:03pm

I think Sylvia Browne has the whole thing laid out in an understandable way in her book LIFE ON THE OTHER SIDE. It strikes a chord with me. Some of what was said in previouse replies agrees with her, but a lot of it doesn't.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 11th, 2006, 07:59am

Zareste

You missed the point. Even though I said it twice.
This document suggests We must BELIEVE OR BE DAMNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That is why I choose to discount this work. The other point I made is that I have seen everything here in other forms. The religious and social tenants of man, Not Aliens. These beliefs have been part of the human consciousness for ages and none have ever proved to be more than human hopes dreams and delusions. No aliens need be associated to this but some individual decided to turn his belief structures into a religious doctrine handed down by the aliens.

I can ascribe no truth to what is said here.

Woody.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jul 11th, 2006, 09:07am

And where does it say 'believe or be damned'? All I see is a bunch of aliens saying 'obey or be damned'
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jul 11th, 2006, 09:51am

on Jul 11th, 2006, 07:59am, woodgnome49 wrote:
We must BELIEVE OR BE DAMNED


That is so true. Even in respect to religion being taught these days by the church themself. Those teachers who are teaching their congregation from the right side of their mouths are preaching nonsense from the left side. Television evangelicals have taken what was once called comfort and have turned it into a fear for many. Their words, "If you do not believe that Christ died on the cross you will not be saved". Saved from what? The fear you (church) just instilled in my mind that I'm not doing something you (church) believe I should be doing but have not been driven or pulled to do so! They drive me batty. Meanwhile, these listeners are leading good lives with now a question mark in the backs of their minds because the church instilled unsettling words.

Quote:
These beliefs have been part of the human consciousness for ages and none have ever proved to be more than human hopes dreams and delusions.


There is no question that they have a part in the psyche. I believe that this was religion's design originally. It offers comfort to those who fear death for one. However, there is another truth about religious literature and an experience that is only found by seeking. It's nothing I could ever begin to describe except to one who needs no description as to what I'm talking about.

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No aliens need be associated to this but some individual decided to turn his belief structures into a religious doctrine handed down by the aliens.


There are so many like Zeta but I can understand why certainly, which has everything to do with alien/biblical associations.

Do you know what really hits me when I associate aliens with religious literature is when I read Mark 9:4. Now, I like to live in reality so I know for certain if the following happened, it did not occur without the assistance of some pretty heavy duty technology. Be it screen memories or holograms/holographs - something a little more then human was happening here.

Quote:
Mark 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elijah with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. 5 And Peter answereth and saith to Jesus, Rabbi, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah. 6 For he knew not what to answer; for they became sore afraid. 7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them: and there came a voice out of the cloud, This is my beloved Son: hear ye him. 8 And suddenly looking round about, they saw no one any more, save Jesus only with themselves. 9 And as they were coming down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, save when the Son of man should have risen again from the dead. 10 And they kept the saying, questioning among themselves what the rising again from the dead should mean. 11 And they asked him, saying, [How is it] that the scribes say that Elijah must first come? 12 And he said unto them, Elijah indeed cometh first, and restoreth all things: and how is it written of the Son of man, that he should suffer many things and be set at nought? 13 But I say unto you, that Elijah is come, and they have also done unto him whatsoever they would, even as it is written of him.


Lastly, what is prevalent amongst abductees/contactees in respect to religious literature and aliens is the pitch. They love to sell us on spirituality, which is essentially what religious literature is all about (with a twist certainly). Even if they weren't or aren't responsible for such, they sure have their hand in the cookie jar, which manifests things such as Zeta.

I happen to own 12 Bibles and literally tons of other religious literature from Hinduism to Zoroastism. I owned only one Bible on the very day the aliens contacted me. They have me resort to them more then frequently.

Honestly, their favorite learning experience for me is Taoism, which I teach my daughter. But, I remain a Christian as well.

One last thing - and - I've never stated such on this forum or anywhere else for that matter - I do not believe in reincarnation. Never have, never will. To me it appears as a tool (ruse) used thousands of years ago to also relieve the fear of death for the living in those days.

Those that dwell with me have NEVER ever cared to touch on the subject whatsoever. That tells me even more.

When I read about people who believed that they were someone else in a previous life, I can think of only one thing, which is that those are the tricks of the trade for the dead. After all, they are the tricksters.





Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 11th, 2006, 9:53pm


Today at 10:51am »Atrueoriginall
wrote:

QUOTE:

(That is so true. Even in respect to religion being taught these days by the church themself. Those teachers who are teaching their congregation from the right side of their mouths are preaching nonsense from the left side. Television evangelicals have taken what was once called comfort and have turned it into a fear for many. Their words, "If you do not believe that Christ died on the cross you will not be saved". Saved from what? The fear you (church) just instilled in my mind that I'm not doing something you (church) believe I should be doing but have not been driven or pulled to do so! They drive me batty. Meanwhile, these listeners are leading good lives with now a question mark in the backs of their minds because the church instilled unsettling words.)

Hi ATO
I must agree completely on every point you make.
My own belief structure is a combination of many teachings and not of any one church. I was raised Catholic and spent my school years in private Catholic institutions.
I was The son of an airline pilot and we moved more often than the military. In fact I lived in over 39 of the 50 states and several foreign countries all before I was 18.
This afforded me a unique life in that I was constantly exposed to new ideas and religious beliefs. I was forcefully indoctrinated into the Catholic faith but I could not bring myself to believe what was being forced into my head.
I must admit I have not completely foregone all the things I was taught but I choose to modify the teaching to fit more comfortably within my world.

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It offers comfort to those who fear death for one. However, there is another truth about religious literature and an experience that is only found by seeking. It's nothing I could ever begin to describe except to one who needs no description as to what I'm talking about.

Once more I agree. I’ve had many personal experiences that were spiritually fulfilling. However I’ve never been given any hint that god or the devil truly exists as what I was given to believe.
I have a theory that would most likely bring outrage and condemnation from everyone so I will reframe from voicing it here.

Quote:

There are so many like Zeta but I can understand why certainly, which has everything to do with alien/biblical associations.

Do you know what really hits me when I associate aliens with religious literature is when I read Mark 9:4. Now, I like to live in reality so I know for certain if the following happened, it did not occur without the assistance of some pretty heavy duty technology. Be it screen memories or holograms/holographs - something a little more then human was happening here.

You have identified the most widely acknowledged description within the bible that is associated to and ascribed as a UFO encounter. There are hundreds more if you wish to push the point of interpretation. I also have read and investigated many different religions and was part of a cult when I was younger.
I have since grown more skeptical and stepped out of the mold set by the past. Sometimes i am forced back but strive to remain outside.

Quote:

Lastly, what is prevalent amongst abductees/contactees in respect to religious literature and aliens is the pitch. They love to sell us on spirituality, which is essentially what religious literature is all about (with a twist certainly). Even if they weren't or aren't responsible for such, they sure have their hand in the cookie jar, which manifests things such as Zeta.

I happen to own 12 Bibles and literally tons of other religious literature from Hinduism to Zoroastism. I owned only one Bible on the very day the aliens contacted me. They have me resort to them more then frequently.

I have also investigated may religions though I have no personal alien contacts or other experiences of the like I have many unexplained occurrences which required introspection and a quest for understanding. I have gained strength and support from the words of these faiths. I have taken solos, and relinquished responsibility to divine providence. There are many good things and valuable lessons in all the teachings of religion from every culture of earth.
I do not disparage any who take refuge within the teaching of one faith or another.
I am most distressed by the manipulation of the innocent. The overwhelming miss direction and misuse of the faith that these people have gives unscrupulous individuals so much power that they can persuade you to even take your own life. RE: the George town massacre or the dividians, or even the fowlers of David Karesh. forgive any miss spellings please.
My own mother is 75 today. She has joined a new christian church with such sever doctrines and extreme tenants that she choose to destroy or remove all of the hand carved things I have given her over the past 44 years.
I began wood carving at age 6 and have given her something every year since I started.
These things are Graven images and are evilhuhhuhhuh?
What evil could be in a daisy carved in pine and mounted on a plank of redwood.
Still she is devout in her beliefs. I love her and have no one else.
I do not want to loose her to a maniac with delusions of divine knowledge..


Honestly, their favorite learning experience for me is Taoism, which I teach my daughter. But, I remain a Christian as well.

One last thing - and - I've never stated such on this forum or anywhere else for that matter - I do not believe in reincarnation. Never have, never will. To me it appears as a tool (ruse) used thousands of years ago to also relieve the fear of death for the living in those days.

Those that dwell with me have NEVER ever cared to touch on the subject whatsoever. That tells me even more.

When I read about people who believed that they were someone else in a previous life, I can think of only one thing, which is that those are the tricks of the trade for the dead. After all, they are the tricksters.

Here is an alternate theory to reincarnation.
Throughout nature we have evidence of genetic memory.
Birds build nests, turtles seek a single beach to lay their eggs, salmon swim up stream to find the place they were born.
This is fact!
We in our arrogance have excluded ourselves from this phenomena.
I believe that those who express knowledge of past lives do in fact have that knowledge. they were genetic descendants of those past lives and the information has been carried to them through our genetic code.
This seems to be much more plausible than reincarnation

Woody



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Jul 11th, 2006, 10:26pm

Woody, I am really sorry to hear about what is happening with your mother. Perfect example of how many people take Biblical references totally out of context.
I was also raised in a Catholic family. I have read about many other religions as well. My beliefs are Christian and that faith is strong, but not one that does not question things. I was taught by a very wise religion professor when I was in college that the most foolish thing was to not have questions and ask them. It is by questioning that we learn better what our personal beliefs are....and we are strengthened by that, not weakened.
That poor prof was called names by many of the people in that christian school. I found that his challenges to our beliefs were good for me. He always warned us that we should be ready to understand why we believe the things we do and to be able to answer for our own personal beliefs because when we walked out of the college into the adult world....we would most certainly have our faith tested and questioned.
I am quite grateful that I crossed paths with someone wise enough to challenge and to make us search for our own answers.
I hope that your mother will remember what those carvings meant and the spirit in which they were crafted and given. I think they still have the power to touch a mother's heart.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jul 12th, 2006, 12:43am

on Jul 11th, 2006, 9:53pm, woodgnome49 wrote:
I have a theory that would most likely bring outrage and condemnation from everyone so I will reframe from voicing it here.


I have sores on my lips from biting them so frequently. LOL

There are many things that I don't ever repeat just because even if it is useful information for one, it could harm another psychologically speaking. So, I bite my lip. Simple logic answers so many questions though.

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You have identified the most widely acknowledged description within the bible that is associated to and ascribed as a UFO encounter. There are hundreds more if you wish to push the point of interpretation.


I posted them here in the Casebook some time ago. I think there are like 155, not counting the Book of Enoch and it's loaded.

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I am most distressed by the manipulation of the innocent. The overwhelming miss direction and misuse of the faith that these people have gives unscrupulous individuals so much power that they can persuade you to even take your own life.


Yep, and this includes your mom and her new found belief in graven images. If you want to get technical with your mom, ask her why carvings of Christ and other biblical characters are found in Christian book stores, churches, not to mention millions upon millions of crucifixes with Jesus on them worn around everyone's neck. How about rosary beads with a charm of Christ attached to the end. That's a graven image.

A graven image is also a photograph of an individual as well. Does this mean she's going to throw away all of her pictures next? Some churches go just a little bit to far in my eyes.

Sad really because the pictures or rather photos that we keep are there because over time the long term memory fades and reviewing a picture etches that memory again and/or brings it to the front and renews it in the short term memory in order to store again. This is why we should never box our memories but have them sitting out or hanging on the walls.

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I began wood carving at age 6 and have given her something every year since I started.


Carvings of things are just that - carvings. Are they of people that you or her worship? Can you imagine if there were no graven images in the world we live in. Oh bother. Sounds like you need to stomp over to that church and have a conversation with whoever is feeding her that muck.

3. no other gods before me
4. shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness
5. Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them nor serve them

All three of those verses point to the same thing. They point to the lesser gods, not every day people or material goods. The writer was flowing with the same subject matter in #3., #4., and #5.

People in those days worshipped things that were representative of the gods that they believed in. This has nothing to do with anything outside of that.

Ya know these three commandments all came about because of the graven image of the golden calf that the Israelites were building and then worshiping down below the mountain that Moses was standing on top of as those commandments were being written. That alone speaks volumes. That was keeping them the most busy down below at the time so it was first and foremost on somebody's mind.

Just for a moment pretend you're the one speaking those three commandments. What was on his mind? It was the current activity of the Israelites on that very day week and month. What else was probably on that one's mind was something that sounds like, "what in the heck are they doing by worshiping a hunk of gold in the shape of a calf. It doesn't breath, it doesn't think. What are these people doing, what are they thinking? They need funds to survive over the years to come so what in the heck are they doing by melting all of their gold and building a useless gold statue? What fools!"

Yeah, they take this stuff out of the Bible and make it whatever they think it might be without recognizing the fact that the answer sits there plain and simple in black and white.

Sadly enough, you have your weapon but you cannot even begin to use it and that is that the graven images spoken about in the Ten Commandments could very well be the lesser gods that they worshipped, including aliens. If this is true then George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg are in a ton of trouble. LOL The golden calf was just representative of their lesser god, whoever it was at the time.

So, flowers are ok. Just better stay away from the animal carvings woodgnome. lol

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3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness [of any thing] that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them, for I Jehovah thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me.


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genetic code/reincarnation


Interesting point.




Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jul 12th, 2006, 06:29am

The following is not meant to provoke anybodies belieives.

According to my insight , the spiritual background of human beings is something, which no aliens are going to comprehend exactly, because spirituality is more than believe and faith is rather result of our inborn spiritual nature.
This world is already spoiled by materialistic approach to everything, well known abyss between religion and science and rather mystical efforts to unite those two.

Are aliens responsible for that ? Not to me.
Are they helping us to be more intelligent or ethical ?
Do you feel that there is more than one intelligence in brains of human beings ?
Is not the underdeveloped portion of my brain called devil and the better one called God ?
Are we fighting with many Gods and devils , or are we fighting for uplifting general intelligence of mankind ?

Who can ever win or loose in the name of religion, invented for the timebeing of our history ?
But I'm quite sure, that true spirit, the one beyond grasping, is valid for both sides. If the name of God is pronounced or unpronounced, does not make us empowered to think well enough.
And thinking itself probably depends on quality not quantity in the ultimate realm of intelligence.
And truth does not depend on someones' solitary realisation, but will depend on extending our thinking capacities in future. As the whole of humanity, I mean to say...

mewtwo smiley


Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 12th, 2006, 4:59pm

Thank You Creole lady for your sympathies and I hold out hope that all will be well. What you say has truth in it and I can only love my mother and hope for the best.


ATO
I thank you for your observations.
I have attempted many of the things you suggested as ways to alter this new religious zeal. I expose the acts of irrational behavior spawned from the teachings of this new preacher. I to help her understand all of these things as what they are. All to no avail. I suspect she is giving most of her SSI check to this charlatan and is so embroiled and blinded from grief and loss that she has sought some peace or absolution by doing this.

We live close to New Orleans (within 10 miles of downtown) and were part of the tragedy caused by Katrina. We lost a great deal the most devastating being my brother. He died from stress diabetic complications and heart failure during the hurricane and we spent months displaced and separated from each other during that time. She suffered greatly and has not come through this experience with much strength left. I feel she may be declining faster than she should and I attribute it to the teachings of this self proclaimed profit.

You all know by now that I think aliens are from our future and are in fact our descendants. This does not preclude beings on other worlds or in alternate universes. I Have no way to disprove that any one theory is true or not I just feel deep in my core that I have discovered the best one that fits all the evidence.
As for the effects these people might have wanted to occur by adopting the role of gods and the creation of religions it appears not only to have been a way to instill greater moral values but also as a direct control of the masses.
As always it is the church which maintains the greatest control over people. Governments may dictate laws and control the money but the church controls the greater part of the people.
Religious beliefs and semitic intolerance has been the cause of 99% of all the wars fought and lives lost. It is religion that fuels almost every world conflict occurring today.

In giving us religion they unleashed a way for those who seek power to control the masses and the ability to tap into our bigotry and hate.

They create fear and panic. They chastise us and tell us we are not fit for the kingdom of god. Only by following them can we hope to see everlasting peace. Only by doing just what they say can we walk with god.

I say they are the true devils and all the pain and anguish in this world can be laid at their feet as the true wealth of what they reap.
Even if it is aliens this is still heinous and unforgivable.
It is god and the devil that will destroy the world!!! Everyone says it. If not Armageddon than natural disaster still attributable to god. It is Us and no one else that has brought this about or will.
I am sorry for ranting.
My only point is it does not matter if it is aliens or man that has caused these things The fact is we will suffer for the beliefs of others no mater what we do. All we can hope for is that we can love someone and be loved in return. There is no greater treasure in life.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by oljack666 on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:28pm



Yep.

There are some good teachers though too. I've spent a lot of years visiting many churches. I've run across a good few.

Saw the damage personally in N.O., Biloxi, Gulfport ect., during Xmas. Much worse then the television made it out to be that's for certain. While on Interstate 10 from Beaumont, TX south to N.O., and then back to 10 towards FL my daughter was counting blue roofs. She lost count.



Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:37pm

Woody, all of my family is still in the New Orleans area...Harahan, Chalmette, and Slidell. I know how the devastation affected so many there. About three weeks back when went through Biloxi and just seeing ho wit still looks, I knew I couldn't go into New Orleans or Chalmette to see what was left of my family's places.
Thankfully they all survived, but a couple of my brothers who had to be rescued from a roof in Chalmette have been haunted by the nightmarish thigs they saw when they broke through their roof and looked around. I can see where they might be more easily influenced by someone teaching pretty much anything at this point. They seek a way to understand the incomprehensible, a way to find some sort of peace after such upheaval and turmoil.
So, now I think I can understand what is happening inside your mother. She has seen what must have appeared as the end of the world at the time it was happening. And indeed parts of her world ended.
I cannot begin to imagine the pain and torment she might feel inside.
And despite her misunderstanding about the carvings, or should I say it might be misrepresented to her....she needs to feel that continuity of your love that is so apparent.
And I know what the Bible says about the images, but I can't imagine that God wouldn't want a mother to cherish gifts from the hearts of her children.
I know I am just rambling here, but I can see with that information how desperately she might be trying to make sense and find peace.
My thoughts are with all of you at this time, and even more as the one year mark comes nearer.
Peace,
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jul 13th, 2006, 5:02pm

I just stumbled across another site reporting an alien saying the same things about Judgment Day as the previous site - http://www2.hawaii.edu/~boyne/ra/harvest2.html - this time it's from some alien named 'Ra'. I merely found this while skimming for out-of-body accounts. The aliens seem to take different forms and use different names when talking to people, but they always talk the same. The Judgment Day story is told in several alien encounters, with or without mentioning 'God' or anything religious, and in every case, they do everything to downplay the massive death of humanity. In this one, the near-extinction of Earth life is called an 'inconvenience'. A post on Ashiana's site talks about someone who was told the same thing - http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=Alien&action=display&num=1150671582 - except the 'experiencer' apparently wasn't even informed of the near-extinction that comes with the oncoming '4th-density Earth'. Robert Monroe had gone out-of-body and seen images of the 4th-density Earth that's supposed to come after the near-extinction. Howard Storm saw it as well in his near-death experience; the new Earth is expected to be a place where most technology is forgotten and people spend their lives doing nothing other than raising kids. More crops for the invaders, apparently.

On the above page, it's said that the 'transition' can take 100-700 years "depending on the choices and actions of people here" (this is said for intimidation), and in Howard Storm's account, they say "God wished to usher in the Kingdom within the next two hundred years" - http://tanaya.net/Books/phs-nde/index2.html - This is why religious people and hierarchists are not simply an idle threat - they'll literally destroy the Earth if they're left alive for too long.

The Bible is far more blunt. 3000 years ago, the angels/invaders said upfront that they would kill off at least 90% of humanity in the worst ways possible. They didn't care what anyone thought and didn't hide how anxious they were to spread utter carnage. Nowadays, they're choosing their words carefully, saying Judgment Day simply 'has to be done', hiding the fact that they arbitrary want it; they call the oncoming slaughter an 'inconvenience for Earth'; during abductions, they talk gently and tell people the pain is for the good of humanity, and in NDEs, they kindly tell people they have to return to their pain-wracked bodies to 'spread the word of God'. Why the sudden need to lie? Why are they now concerned with what we think? They're starting to sound afraid of us.

I think they're nervous. It's evident, from the abductions and creation of humanoid forms, that they really are creating a new race and aren't bluffing when they say they want to kill of humanity to make way for this race. But they once said Judgment Day would come nearly 2,000 years ago, and several times since then, and nothing happened. It seems to me that they've noticed our skills in the art of war and lack of gullibility - they know we'd tear them inside-out if they tried to take over, and now they've resorted to friendly psychological manipulation for control instead of outright threats.

True or not, it'd be nice if someone went to the aliens' planet and 'inconvenienced' them until they're a race of mutilated corpses.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jul 13th, 2006, 5:38pm


Zareste wrote:
Quote:
This is why religious people and hierarchists are not simply an idle threat - they'll literally destroy the Earth if they're left alive for too long.


i dont particularly like religious people either, but i would like to ask if you if by religious you mean anyone believing in God, or just man made religion? are you saying that spiritual people who believe in God are
a threat to the world and will destroy earth if left alive too long?

Also , do you honestly believe that aliens are angels that are described in the bible? would you mind telling me how you come to that conclusion, ? you always write aliens/angels in the same sentence, and was wondering why you thought they were the same thing?
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jul 13th, 2006, 7:34pm

I'm certain Jehovah exists, and that there are others like him, so I'm only talking about the people who follow deity-worshipping belief systems. (I should be more specific next time)

The angels talk exactly the way the aliens talk, if you read through any detailed accounts of what they say. Beside that, they aren't Earthly no matter how you look at them - even if they were physics-defying beings from other dimensions, they'd be alien one way or another, and I've explained to death how their urge to kill anyone who disobeys is not exactly a good thing. Some people have argued "the parts of the Bible displaying angels as violent are fake or mistranslated" but you can see what angels are up to today by reading through NDEs and other experiences about them, and like I said, the only difference between angels now and angels in biblical times is that they now cover their brutal nature by twisting words. It's suspiciously similar to the way governments have changed over the same time period, and inseparable from alien behavior.

You can search for yourself on any engine - http://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=%22near+death+experience&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 - there you'll find multiple accounts from unrelated sources. Compare them with accounts of aliens - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&rls=en&q=channeling+aliens+%224th+density&btnG=Search - and you'll notice they're both bent on the same subject (I added the "4th density" part to prevent false positives). Or just search alien sites and angel sites in general - either way they all talk and act with the same deception and psychological control techniques you'd see in a politician. They rarely give real answers to questions, they talk about slaughtering mankind in a soft, matter-of-fact tone, and almost enjoy it; they're all bent on wiping the Earth clean in a future 'purification'; and they always say things along the lines of "if humanity doesn't do as we ask, there will be a very 'dark' period in the future" or, simply "bad things will happen", "there will be a 'depression'".

You won't find an abduction where aliens say "we're bloodthirsty killers and we'll destroy you all with our ray-guns"; it's always "we're your gracious holy guardians and you'll do as we say if you know what's best for yourself."
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jul 13th, 2006, 8:19pm

personally zareste i think you have one pretty messed up view of angels and aliens. its quite obvious to me that you dont know the difference and are totally influenced by what you read on these so called NDE's. i also believe you have no insight to what the bible is even remotely about. im sorry to say this is not a subject i can debate with you simply because you dont even comprehend the very simple basic difference of aliens and angels. perhaps in time, when you have learned and have some years and experience under your belt we can discuss this, but at this time, youre not even truly sure of what you believe since you dilly dally back and forth about so many things. its certain and obvious you have no idea the difference, so that would certainly be a requirement on my table for me to even begin to discuss such things with you.
dont mean to be disrespectful, but i suggest you do some reading, research, and perhaps get an insight as to what you are even attempting at discussing. i guess its true some people do have blinders on their spirtual eyes, even tho they pretend to know what theyre talking about. so, not wasting any time on any more responce to your postings about angels,since your answer revealed all i needed to know about your experience and knowledge in such things.
thanks anyway
QOH
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 13th, 2006, 8:23pm

on Jul 13th, 2006, 5:02pm, Zareste wrote:
Nowadays, they're choosing their words carefully, saying Judgment Day simply 'has to be done', hiding the fact that they arbitrary want it; they call the oncoming slaughter an 'inconvenience for Earth'; during abductions, they talk gently and tell people the pain is for the good of humanity, and in NDEs, they kindly tell people they have to return to their pain-wracked bodies to 'spread the word of God'. Why the sudden need to lie? Why are they now concerned with what we think? They're starting to sound afraid of us.

I think they're nervous. It's evident, from the abductions and creation of humanoid forms, that they really are creating a new race and aren't bluffing when they say they want to kill of humanity to make way for this race. But they once said Judgment Day would come nearly 2,000 years ago, and several times since then, and nothing happened. It seems to me that they've noticed our skills in the art of war and lack of gullibility - they know we'd tear them inside-out if they tried to take over, and now they've resorted to friendly psychological manipulation for control instead of outright threats.

True or not, it'd be nice if someone went to the aliens' planet and 'inconvenienced' them until they're a race of mutilated corpses.



Zareste

I think you may not be far off the mark on this. At least as far as the fear and apprehention of the aliens. It also appears that in orbit above the earth things are heating up as well. Take a look at this page . It has some intresting video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9080369676973948865

This is a page that has a video of NASA and soviet space footage with commentary and 32 min. of film. It is compiled of cuts from ground based control rooms, shuttle, and MIR spacecraft.
Some of this can be explained but a great deal is way out there. It appears that we are in the middle of an invasion at some points.

I have seen other film footage from the shuttle program that looks like a craft gliding above the earth in an arc following the contour of our globe and a streak of what has been conjectured to be a burst from a pulse weapon which attempted to destroy this craft. I have tried to view this as what the scientists at NASA describe to be ice particles caught in an instant of reaction to attitude thrusters.

I cannot bring myself to accept this.

The actions of these particles do not appear to be in response to
the thrusters. They move prior to the flash of thruster gas and travel in opposition to the thrust that was applied by the jets.

I believe this is video footage of a craft that was tracked and
targeted. The streak of amorphous light energy that transits the
point that the smaller, brighter object was about to intersect was
a weapons discharged from the surface by persons unknown.  I
believe it was an attempt to destroy or damage the object that was
targeted. The smaller white object is seen making an abrupt reversal and change in trajectory away from the path that this streak of light takes and does so as if anticipating its point of intersection.
It is only after this that the control jets are fired and we see the
light from their ignition. There are countless other instances of craft or objects describing radical course changes and appear to be controlled because of them as evidenced from the page I began this post with. The evidence is substantial that these craft are real and controlled.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jul 13th, 2006, 9:04pm

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I have seen other film footage from the shuttle program that looks like a craft gliding above the earth in an arc following the contour of our globe and a streak of what has been conjectured to be a burst from a pulse weapon which attempted to destroy this craft.

There's an interesting interpretation. I always figured the flash was a result of the object simply taking off, like it was just there to do whatever and leave.

I happened to read an out-of-body account where a person intended to go to space, and accidentally teleported into an alien ship. The alien - though startled at the person's presence - said the ship was guarding the Earth. I found the story believable because the alien asked the person if they were an enemy, the person said no, and the alien believed him without question - outsiders tend to be strangely trusting; also, when asked, the alien said the ship ran on 'condensed light' which is interesting because the ships run on electromagnetism, which creates light - 'condensed light' sounds like a subjective term used by someone who can run the vehicle but doesn't know its inner workings. The person giving this account came off as a whimsical unscientific person who would never have thought of all this.

Either way it's a simple fact that our skies are inhabited and would only make sense if someone were guarding the planet from up there. What's scary is that those guardians are almost definitely the bad guys, working to keep the friendly aliens away. It would explain why the only contact we get is either with the enemy, or with a crashed ship.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 13th, 2006, 9:28pm

on Jul 13th, 2006, 5:38pm, queenofhearts wrote:
Zareste wrote:


i dont particularly like religious people either, but i would like to ask if you if by religious you mean anyone believing in God, or just man made religion? //

Also , do you honestly believe that aliens are angels that are described in the bible?


Hi Queenofhearts

I also believe that what the Bible and many other historic religious texts describe as angles and deities are in fact aliens and not true angles or gods. Or rather the manifestations of technological hocus-pocus to dazzle mystify the and impress the local hicks.
The pattern of events is quite clear if seen as an attempt to
revitalize a dying race.

Our history and that of the whole world suggests the deliberate
attempt, by these entities, to change our social conscience to avoid
calamity. The information given us by all the prophets and all ancient texts
say we are headed for the end of the world.

The means of that end is not completely clear and varies from one
source to the next but all agree that the end will come.
The reports of world calamity are depicted and expounded on by
many of the abductees and writings throughout history.
Religious writings from all over the world and warnings from
profits to the writings of lost civilizations predict a great
conflagration that consumes the world and all but a few who
inhabit it.

Prophets through the ages have reported angels, and other ethereal
agents which have imparted this knowledge to them and left them
to act on it in their own fashion. Throughout the pages of the
catholic bible there are accounts of visitations and influence of
the prophets all scripted to direct history and man toward a more
civilized belief structure and social awareness. The same precepts
and theologies were disseminated throughout the world at about
the same time. The reports of abductees say that these assertions
are still being made. It is the aliens that are now trying to tell us.

We will not wish to believe that the end is immutable, and we
are directed from the future. I do not assert that it is beyond our
ability to change. Only that the future that harbors these aliens is
immutable.

Still they continue to try to manipulate us. The lack of miraculous occurrences and the disappearance of angles and religious apparitions makes me think there is something wrong here. We now have aliens telling us we have to do things this way or suffer for ignoring them. I feel that I can reasonably explain any instance the bible describes as angles or divine intervention as an encounter with advanced humans or aliens.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by creolelady on Jul 13th, 2006, 9:40pm

Of course we all are entitled to ur own opinions on ths subject, and I have mine which are a bit different. I believe that there have been some visitations by aliens in the past and current day, but I also believe in the existence of angels.
I believe that somehow for every bit of negative and bad in the world, there is also good.
And just because people haven't come forward to claim angelic visitation and miracles in the recent years doesn't mean they are not taking place any more than someone not speaking of an abduction doesn't mean they don't take place.
The skeptics treat believers of miracles and angels in the same way they treat those who claim abductions or contact with aliens. They are ridiculed and debunked at every turn.
I ten towards the belief that people just keep things within their own group more now.
And I may seem naive to both of you, but you can think what you wish. I believe there are miracles happening around the world every hour of the day. I also believe there are good forces acting in our behalf. I think there are what I call angels in this mix.
So, all that said to simply remind, we all have our own opinions and are entitled to disagree, that is fine. You disagree with me and I disagree with you. Doesn't mean I don't value your opinion or you, just don't see it the same way.
Have a great evening.

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 13th, 2006, 9:44pm

on Jul 13th, 2006, 9:04pm, Zareste wrote:
Either way it's a simple fact that our skies are inhabited and would only make sense if someone were guarding the planet from up there. What's scary is that those guardians are almost definitely the bad guys, working to keep the friendly aliens away. It would explain why the only contact we get is either with the enemy, or with a crashed ship.


Sorry Zareste

I think you missed it once more.

I was not suggesting the aliens were protecting us . I was in fact saying exactly the opposite. We are defending ourselves from the aliens.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jul 13th, 2006, 10:09pm

woody,
ive been abducted since i was 5 yrs old, and frankly they never told me they were going to end the world in any way OR that we were being led to a destruction of the world. since i believe the bible, its obvious that i believe the world is heading towards and ending one day. that i believe. but what i dont believe is that the angels are the ones doing this . this has been predicted by many texts and many religions as you say.

do i trust the aliens? HA, heck no, theyre parasites. do i believe in angels according to the bible, yes very much so. to me they are ministering spirits sent to us by God to minister to us. Many people still have angels minister to them. just because you dont hear much about them, doesnt mean they are not around, its just that everyone is so stuck up now on the new age movement and increasing your frequencies to go to the next level of enlightenment. If you wish to believe that there is no God, or no angels, that is up to you, no one is going to argue with you, thats your right. But that doesnt mean that just because you dont believe theyre not real, that THATS the truth. you say it was hocus pocus to impress the hicks , but again, thats just an opinion, your belief. Just like my faith and belief in God is real to me.
also, just because you have aliens saying the world is going to end, (which like i said i do believe it is going to end), that theyre considered to be angels. or that angels were actually aliens in the past. again, my opinion, my belief,just like your belief is something different.
to me, aliens were simply created by God, goodness, it would sure be a waste of planets and galaxies if all he did was put life on one planet.
Its not even necessarily angels who are saying the world is going to end, its God. so im sure the aliens have the same knowledge to that as we do. nothing spectacular or mystic about that. simple, theyre just another creation created, no more or no less important than we are. i respect your belief, but please dont assume that what you believe HAS got to be the only answer, because its not.
QOH
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 13th, 2006, 10:26pm

Sorry QOH
I do not and have never said I have the only answers. I allow you your beliefs and everyone else may have a different structure for themselves. If you wish to believe in God and Angles I will not attempt to dissuade you. I only propose that there may be other explanations for the things we were taught as children. I do not say my answer must be yours . i only say I think there is room for discussion.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jul 13th, 2006, 10:30pm

Quote:
I was not suggesting the aliens were protecting us . I was in fact saying exactly the opposite. We are defending ourselves from the aliens.

I didn't say that at all. In the second sentence, I point out that they're not on our side - the word 'guarding' doesn't mean 'protecting' in all cases. I would say the 'defense' in Earth's atmosphere is alien and they're only keeping the good-guys away.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 13th, 2006, 10:41pm

on Jul 13th, 2006, 10:30pm, Zareste wrote:
I would say the 'defense' in Earth's atmosphere is alien and they're only keeping the good-guys away.


The defense was from the surface attacking an orbiting UFO. I think the defense and the bolt of energy was a weapon we used to chase off the approaching alien, I do not understand why you insist on attributing the defensive action as alien in origin when it is clearly from the earth that the attack occurred. It most likely was a human effort to destroy or disable an alien craft not an alien attacking others of a diffferent race.
I think your off base with this.



Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jul 13th, 2006, 10:51pm

on Jul 13th, 2006, 10:26pm, woodgnome49 wrote:
Sorry QOH
I do not and have never said I have the only answers. I allow you your beliefs and everyone else may have a different structure for themselves. If you wish to believe in God and Angles I will not attempt to dissuade you. I only propose that there may be other explanations for the things we were taught as children. I do not say my answer must be yours . i only say I think there is room for discussion.

Woody


Woody, that, i agree with totally. there is always room for discussion, and people do have different structures and different beliefs. its been that way since the beginning and it will probably be that way till the earth ends. smiley and i totally respect your right to believe or not believe in what you want dear.

But at the same time to be perfectly honest, i do have to say that we hold on to those beliefs we DO have. Each one of us seem to have particular beliefs, even tho there is room for discussion, in the end i believe that we hold on tight and dearly to those particular beliefs we have inside us.

Going to bed,
goodnight and sweet dreams
QOH
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 13th, 2006, 11:12pm

We agree to dissagree. As a parting thought I leave you with this.
QOH
It is my considered opinion and one that is shared by the majority of respected scientists that it is virtually certain that life is on other planets in our universe. it is a high probability that we will find life on one of the worlds or moons in in our own solar system.

They are surly out there. I just don’t think they are here.

I balk at believing an alien race would commit hundreds of thousands of years to teaching, manipulating, molding, abducting, protecting, observing, or any other activity that could be a potential reason for their presence here. I see nothing that could be a plausible reason for an alien race to devote at least 30,000 years in an effort to help or harm a race of clever monkeys.

I don’t see it happening for any reason.

Sweet dreams

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Zareste on Jul 13th, 2006, 11:35pm

Quote:
I do not understand why you insist on attributing the defensive action as alien in origin when it is clearly from the earth that the attack occurred.

There's absolutely no indication that the action came from the surface, and I explained the presence of defensive alien forces in a previous post. You'd be pretty amazed what people are saying if you read past the first two sentences.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 14th, 2006, 07:46am

on Jul 13th, 2006, 11:35pm, Zareste wrote:
You'd be pretty amazed what people are saying if you read past the first two sentences.


Zareste
You have no reason to attempt to insult me. (I read every word of each post however badly composed or unintelligible) I take offense with your comments and will not be reading anything further you post. I have not found much of what you say to have any relationship to my world or that of others with a grasp of reality. I will allow you to believe what you wish and will not attempt to discuss comments you make or statements which I perceive as erroneous. By doing this I think we will get along with less conflict.

Woody.
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jul 14th, 2006, 08:05am


smileyI know that you might find the folowing statements quite irritable towards your believes, but I relate to my personal research on the topic dating so many years back.

And I feel confident to say that angels and deities are quite same as aliens, not an inch different from each other. I've been attached to study of Hindu and Buddhist traditions in the place, where they originated from, for more than 13 years, and the way they are generally looked at varies from complete denial by people without experience to manifold visions and encounters by those who were somehow "initiated" to their existence , yet to very reserved opinion on them by any orthodox church in the world.

They are accepted but not believed to be the head of religious understanding, because of presenting themselves through many controversial forms, modes of behaviour, moods and roles, so no one is ever adviced to rely on them totaly.
It reminds me of opinion of traditional catholic church and others on angels as well.

The deities in Eastern hindu&buddhist traditions are known to assume different forms, from peaceful and loving to wrathful and passionable , they are believed to feed themselves on flash as well on pure light, and none yet was able to determine, what is the reality behind the hierarchy of spiritual realms and beings alltogether.

Still, untill I did not know and never suspected the e.t. aspect of their existence, I felt my spirituality to be innocent, pure and honest.
It was only I've seen their reality as it is, that I saw the relation between aliens and religions, and not that it makes me happy.

I don't think, that there is just one type of them, there might be quite few, but unless they are pure images sent or evoked in our mind for any reasons, which they are most often, the causality behind all these appears to be more tricky than the wildest of my imagination.

They are most easy with people who do not know them, they are still OK with those without much education and insight, and the whole difficulty starts, if you have a chance to see them as they are.

I consider quite lucky to be given the opportunity to see my origins to be pure and intelligent , which is not something , which could be shown by any time-dependent being. That way I consider our original inborn spirituality to stay completely untouched by guilt and struggle for salvation, not that the journey is not valid for timebeing, but it is not endless.

So I have got the identity question answered to some extent and the rest of my search should be concerned with discerning between the right and wrong tendencies in my mind.

In dealing with alien forces, which you deny exactly to the day they actually make you know, again , much depends on the inner approach, but the difficulties in doing it can be hardly understood by people without experience.

I am firm in the opinion that truth should be searched for, by all means , by scientists , priests , students and common folk alike, because we all have the right to know.


mewtwo smiley

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 15th, 2006, 11:33am


I believe UFOs are real. I believe they are constructed of physical
compounds and are peopled with beings that do not look like us.
I believe that people all over the world have seen, been abducted,
and manipulated for reasons unknown.
I believe there is a government coverup and we as individuals are unable to access information that proves this.

The government is denying everything and misdirecting attention
from the true answers for their coverup. They foster the image of
ignorance and continue to assert their disinterest in the ufo and
alien reports.

Any one that can believe the government is not aware of the ufo
phenomenon is blind to the truth.

To date I have investigated over 10,000 pages of information
regarding coverups and government disinformation.  
A few of the sites I used as reference include :
http://www.geocities.com/kmtruth/
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/quote.html
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/framemst.html
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/videoclips/
http://www.unexplainable.net/nasa.html
 
There are thousands more and each has a collection of stories and
accounts that support the fact that there are craft not of this world,
and far out stripping our technology.

My investigation revealed the following:
1. There is a cover up by the government. No big surprise there.
2. The media is fed conflicting reports from  the government and
the people as well.
3. The scientific community is not willing to discus any anomalies
in the evidence without attempting to describe these things in a
mundane way. NASA being a government agency is circumscribed
by the need to maintain funding and thus must cooperate with the
coverup for the government.
4. No matter the evidence; all unidentified objects are dismissed
out of hand by the government.
5. Even when the government responds to intrusions of sensitive
air space or military bases the aliens can not be caught or identified
by the individuals involved.
6. Statements made by conspiracy theorists have no greater or
lesser validity than those made by the government.
7. Documents leaked to media and disclosed by individuals believed to have firsthand knowledge have all been discredited in some way and the question of the validity in the evidence remains
distressingly unconvincing. None of these people in the government or the public can give reasonable explanations that are consistent with all the evidence. It appears that everyone has a belief but none are based in a full understanding of what is in the evidence. As if no
one is able or willing to correlate this into a reasonable explanation
that fits all we know. Most, if not all, people act as if a single explanation is the true one.  In every case I can  point to evidence that contradicts their assertions.
 
The evidence is substantial that these things exist and the
encounters happen. The evidence suggests that these things are controlled and directed from an intelligence and awareness of our actions in attempting to identify capture or destroy them. The photographic and video evidence shows craft or objects which appear to defy the laws of motion and inertia.  Thus they exhibit control outside of nature. The objects have been seen recorded and reported throughout history.  They can be found in the writings of 1st century monks and are evident in the cave drawings of neolithic man. There is something out there and no one can say exactly what it is.
The government has fostered a belief that UFOs are nothing to
worry about since they can’t catch one and no one can produce
physical evidence of devices made from or by beings outside of this
world.

The population is saying we see things that do not fit our understanding and the government is saying these are spurious sightings of classified ships or craft that are vital to national security.

The craft do things that no other conventional craft can do and are often seen as glowing orbs of light that shift in color and phase in and out of our existence.

Every chase or attempt to identify these craft only support the idea that these things are not of our current technology and beyond any aircraft we currently have in our arsenal.

The one exception is a new triangular craft seen floating through the night sky apparently patrolling the dark hours watching over the people below. Combining these new silent sentinels and the images seen from Nasa and other space systems. It now appears to me we have developed an active defense against the unwanted intrusions of our world. I do not Think we are yet able to provide complete security but the coverage is able to dissuade many and may ultimately succeed in finally revealing the truth of the conflict we are waging with the aliens.

Perhaps we will soon learn the truth. It may not be long before we shoot down a bunch of alien craft the encounter filmed from the ground by a hundred different people and the debris falling over an inhabited area.
This could be the way we all hear the truth. Isn’t technology great? LOL

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jul 15th, 2006, 12:56pm

Woody wrote: Quote:
They are surly out there. I just don’t think they are here.

I balk at believing an alien race would commit hundreds of thousands of years to teaching, manipulating, molding, abducting, protecting, observing, or any other activity that could be a potential reason for their presence here. I see nothing that could be a plausible reason for an alien race to devote at least 30,000 years in an effort to help or harm a race of clever monkeys.

I don’t see it happening for any reason.


Then you wrote : Quote:
believe UFOs are real. I believe they are constructed of physical
compounds and are peopled with beings that do not look like us.
I believe that people all over the world have seen, been abducted,
and manipulated for reasons unknown.
I believe there is a government coverup and we as individuals are unable to access information that proves this.

The government is denying everything and misdirecting attention
from the true answers for their coverup. They foster the image of
ignorance and continue to assert their disinterest in the ufo and
alien reports.

Any one that can believe the government is not aware of the ufo
phenomenon is blind to the truth.


im confused here hon, which one of these posts is real? because as im reading it, you wrote two completely different things, and just wondering which you really believe?
QOH
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 15th, 2006, 3:18pm

Hi QOH

I see no problem or contradiction here. These statements are part of and integral to my theory of aliens being from our future and not some other planet .
I do not know for sure that these things we see are ALIEN or human in construction I only suspect the latter.

As I said I believe whole heatedly that these craft are not from our world meaning our time and current technology. However it is possible they are from a parallel time line or a future one. it is also possible they are from another solar system but I doubt this.
I feel it is more likely they are from some alternate reality or time of this world.

The possibility of worm holes and faster than light travel makes it impossible for me to discount the possibility of true aliens being the occupants of these craft.

I have trouble believing that a race of aliens would travel light years in space and time and focus their attention on our world and us in particular. I believe to think we are so important to these aliens that they would manipulate us over the past 30 thousand years is a tremendous conceit.

So to say I believe in UFOs and not consider the aliens capable or willing to devote their whole life and existence to manipulate and direct us is not a contradiction just evidence to me that the answer is something different than what most people think.

I think the aliens are our future descendants and not aliens from another galaxy

I hope this answers you more fully.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jul 15th, 2006, 3:38pm

thanks woody, yes, that fully satisfies my curiosity. you are so right, im not sure where they come from and have not fully come to a definate answer for myself as to where they come from.

I think they can very possibly be from an alternate dimension, or from the future . tho i do believe (since im an abductee) that for whatever reason, and again i dont know, they have performed abductions. too many people have gone thru them. sure its very very hard to weed thru the psychos and wannabees , people who pretend for whatever reason want to be associated with abductees. be it for attention, or reasons unknown, they pretend to be abductees to preach their own view of reasons aliens are here. in time you can end up seeing thru them easily.

thanks for the explaination, i understand what you are saying now. smiley
qoh
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 15th, 2006, 3:58pm

Hi QOH

I am pleased I was able to state my point well enough that your confusion was dispelled.

This is something else I think we should consider

I feel strongly that we should reconsider our demands for information from the government on what they know about UFOs.

Everything the government has collected in the past 60 years is
held as top secret and is not something we can gain access to.

If I were the government I would keep this secret.
I would make every effort to back engineer these things and
discover their secrets. In this I agree with the government about the need for maintaining the secrets as long as possible. The outrage of some individuals at not being trusted with the information is understandable. However I feel it is unreasonable to demand that we disclose information that could be used against us.

Although the fall of the soviet union and the end of the cold war has provided us reason to think we can now stop with our clandestine
work on weapons and aircraft. I feel this may be premature. We are
still faced with enemies all over our globe and we, as a nation, are
not omnipotent and indestructible. We are just the most advanced
nation on earth at this point and not assured of keeping this
advantage yet.

It is argued that we can dispense with the secrecy on this subject
but we have seen over and over in our history that those who have the greatest knowledge, and can keep their secrets longest, have the greatest chance of winning in any conflict.

The public has gone uninformed of the true purpose of this coverup and believes there is no threat to revealing this information. I propose the government believes we are threatened by these alien
craft and the beings in them. I propose that the government is actively working to defend us from these aliens. We have been in an escalating conflict that began after WWII and the discovery of downed craft in Roswell. Up to that point we did not have anything to work with and our enemy was a total enigma to us. Up to that time all we had were reports of our pilots and soldiers
who saw and encountered these things in the skies over the whole
world. Since we were involved in a world conflict of our own making, the focus was on identifying which, if any, of our enemies might have
created these things. They could not be ascribed to any terrestrial government of the time. The technology was so far advanced to our own that it was inconceivable that someone of this world could create them.
Only after the crash in Roswell were we able to get a look at the
substance of these things.

Things that moved so fast and maneuvered so quickly they surely
could destroy us if they were used in an offensive way.

After this time the government had its first piece to work with in
order to attempt to understand what it was we faced from these
beings and craft.

The lid was slammed down on this information just as we did with
the Manhattan Project. Aliens and these craft were the most
threatening thing we could possibly contend with. They could not be
defeated by the technology of the day. We did not know what they
were made of how they moved what powered them and who were
controlling them.
 
The story of Roswell is so often retold and reexamined the
evidence has been obscured by time and mythology.
I choose to take only what was reported in the one time radio
report that a local farmer had found a crashed disk like craft and the
military was called in. The descriptions of the material associated to first hand statements of Major Marcell. and the subsequent substitution of a weather balloon photographed with the major. No reports of bodies or beings can be supported by more than circumstantial evidence of a local undertaker’s account of child sized coffins being bought or commandeered immediately after this occurrence.

By the statements and evidence I cite here we can say for sure that
something crashed in the deserts of New Mexico. The debris was
collected and taken by the military. If bodies were found, they
were taken as well. The government  decided that this was of extreme concern to us and presented the public with an opportunity to discover what it was that threatened us. I suspect the thinking was similar to what was ascribed to the war time enigma machine and our own advances in radar and computers.
This information was needed to defeat the Germans and Japanese.
Only those that needed to know were let in on the truth and every
effort was made to keep from revealing that we had captured their
machines and code books. The government hid the fact they had developed technology that was able to decipher coded messages in realtime, and possessed a way to see further than any man could with his eyes alone.
I suspect the government decided that we had to keep the
information about the UFO crash from the public but also keep it from the aliens as well. The greatest advantage we had was in knowing what these things were and not revealing this to the ones who threatened us.
As we have progressed in our technology we have made astounding discoveries and the pace of invention has accelerated to a point of near frenzied activity. I suspect that the cold war and the threat of nuclear annihilation served two purposes. First it defended us from aggressors bent on world dominance and also gave a way to cover up the technology we were discovering in back engineering the recovered craft.

The aspects of government coverup and military weapons programs
is significant. The weapons are in fact real and designed to deal with the terrestrial threats. The black budgets and secret programs of this endeavor serve as a place to hide the UFO and alien studies. It serves in both keeping us ignorant of what is going on, and obscures our intent from beings who might seek to stop us if they knew.

The cold war is a perfect analogy to this as it was the fear that we
could and would do something in reprisal that stopped the Soviets
from attacking us. The unknown aspect of our technological
advances kept the Soviet Union at bay and unable to act for fear we
might have something to overmatch them.

As I see it, the aliens have been doing as they like for centuries
with the self assurance of their superior technology to keep them
invincible and above those they chose to manipulate.
Only after the discovery of the hydrogen bomb did the aspect of
alien visitation change from a simple attempt to inspire religious
beliefs or advanced moral concepts to a program of abduction and
genetic/biological experimentation began.

It was in this atmosphere of fear and threat of world destruction
that the government was faced with a new threat. The aliens that
to date, had not been willing to expose themselves began a more
intensive program of abduction and interference with the actions
of our populations and government. They were flying over secret bases and interfering  with our electronics and weapons. This action scared the government even more and reinforced the impression there was a threat against which we needed to be defended.  

The government abandoned their attempt to satisfy the public and
declared there was nothing to fear.

All along they redoubled their efforts to discover ways to defeat
this threat.

They are still afraid and are still working to solve the problems of
defending us from these aliens. They can’t reveal what they know
because they don’t want the aliens to know that they know.

The aliens know we are trying to counter them but continue to  
believe they have the advantage. The aliens are aware we know
they are here and are interfering with us. They know we have
material taken from them and have used this information to
discover things about them that are helping us to develop
defenses to counter them.

They are not certain what knowledge  we have and do not know if
we would destroy ourselves if they tried to forcefully control us.
We might just unleash the weapons we have and destroy everything.

They continue to take people and the genetic materials of this
world but no longer attempt direct social intervention.

The current selection of videos leaked to the public from the space
shuttle program show what appears to be a craft that is shot
at. This tells me that someone is aware and attempting to destroy
or scare off these craft. If a craft is seen in orbit or transiting our close space it is fired on and driven off.
Could it be we are finally gaining ground and will soon be able to defeat them?
I do not know. I can only Hope.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by diamond on Jul 15th, 2006, 4:18pm

woody, you make a lot of sense in what you say. yes ,as a species we are extraordinarily concieted about our importance in the scheme of things. could you entertain these possibilities.?

1. that the aliens themselves were responsible for our existance and therefore have a vested interest in our past and future as a species. or ;

2 that they recognise that these clever monkeys have made it this far and are now venturing into space ,and may cause some problems in the future because of their warlike mentality. or;

3. that coming from another dimension or our future they need from time to time to make adjustments in order for their own time or dimension to function properly.

that's enough from me i can feel my brain starting to hurt folks. grin

diamond cool
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jul 15th, 2006, 5:36pm

smileyI can imagine that even someone very intelligent with integral personality could break his head on the correlation between human and alien logic, simply because he'd have no personnal experience with the other side and would wholeheartedly rely on single ideology, which sais the we are the only dominant intelligent specie in the space responsible for past, present and future.
Those with experience would disagree that we are really very simillar to those e.t. entities encountered and efforts destined to describe the phenomena under united physical theory are purely onesided.
We as human beings, scientist and experiencers are locked to our own multilevel spacetime system and never yet succeeded in crossing conscioussly to the other side.
Yet it's not appropriate to believe that such possibility does not exist and that other beings may not be using such technologies.
It does not proove them coming from future since they often mentioned being home on other stars and planets , never belonging to this system , and mostly they seem to come across this place by chance.
If they keep being here an hour or 30 thousand years is completely relevant to their previous spacetime systems and not to ours.
It's clear that they didn't collect enough samples and information yet and that they keep observing the situation from distance.
They are clever enough to abstain from letting us proove them openly or show themselves on public.
The reasons are obvious to those with little overview upon the global situation on Earth in general, but not explaining us what are their intentions and so on.

I feel to say that I'm really sorry that there is no responsible scientific board which would study the phenomena in their depth using the best of our technologies , brains and information,
and those sceptical attempts to describe the reality of alien abductions etc. under one headline seem to me really erroneous.

Vote for logic

mewtwo smiley

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 15th, 2006, 5:42pm

on Jul 15th, 2006, 4:18pm, diamond wrote:
woody, you make a lot of sense in what you say. yes ,as a species we are extraordinarily concieted about our importance in the scheme of things. could you entertain these possibilities.?

1. that the aliens themselves were responsible for our existance and therefore have a vested interest in our past and future as a species. or ;

2 that they recognise that these clever monkeys have made it this far and are now venturing into space ,and may cause some problems in the future because of their warlike mentality. or;

3. that coming from another dimension or our future they need from time to time to make adjustments in order for their own time or dimension to function properly.

that's enough from me i can feel my brain starting to hurt folks. grin

diamond cool


Hi Diamond

Thanks for your comments and questions. I have often thought of these things . I will attempt to give my reasons for discounting the ones I feel have less probability and seek to clarify my stance toward your suppositions.

1. that the aliens themselves were responsible for our existence and therefore have a vested interest in our past and future as a species.

This is a popular theory and many suggest that we are the product of aliens playing god and creating life in their own image. There is also a theory of transpermia. This is a theory that life arrived here on commits or asteroids.

These are a few sites that discuss the possibilities of this. I find this theory very compelling and have adopted it as a foundation for all my other work and thoughts about life on earth and aliens.


http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/horsts/transpermia.html

http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/tps-seti/swaprock.html

http://www.straddle3.net/context/03/en/2004_02_13.html

http://palaeo-electronica.org/2001_2/editor/mars.htm

I do not wish to confuse you here. I do believe that life may have come to earth on commits and asteroids but I do not think aliens from a different solar system or galaxy came here and created us. A modified theory says that we were genetically manipulated in our ancient past and we are the product of that manipulation.
I suspect this is in part true as well. I do not however believe a being from some far off world in a different solar system would seek out a planet that life is on and then create a race of smart monkeys so they would have something to play with. If we are the product of genetic manipulation the ones to have the greatest reason to do this is ourselves or rather our future selves (the ones facing some world ending calamity).


2 that they recognize that these clever monkeys have made it this far and are now venturing into space and may cause some problems in the future because of their warlike mentality.


This is a popular theme in science fiction. I only have my own thoughts for this but it is not very likely. When we were stone age men the aliens were here.
http://www.ufoarea.com/aas_ancientvisitors.html
http://www.dudeman.net/siriusly/ufo/ast.shtml
http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html
http://www.20kweb.com/clipart_ufos_03.html
These are sites that show the evidence for that. We were not a threat then and it is not conceivable that an alien would recognize the potential for space flight in a beast clad in animal skins and using stone tools. Thus causing them to devote 30,000 years to keep tabs on us. I just can't see it.

3. that coming from another dimension or our future they need from time to time to make adjustments in order for their own time or dimension to function properly.

I suspect you are on the cusp of it here.
We have to understand the nature of time and how parallel realities or times can interact.

I wish to try to clarify this for you. If we start with the premise that
there are an infinite number of parallel universes then an infinite
number of realities exist. Now if a future society already doomed
were to try to alter their past then the world that developed from
their manipulation would by necessity be a parallel world. If
history did not happen the way it did, the sequence of history
would not progress to the future that these individuals came from
and would never exist in this altered reality. Thus their actions did
nothing to alter their reality. However, I believe they can alter our
reality.

I propose that history can not be changed in our reality.
If it were possible to change our own history then there would be
no structure to time and we could go back and kill our grandfather
thus causing our own death setting up some unending loop in time.
 
Only in a parallel reality could you do this but then you would not
exist in that reality. As you do exist then you did not change your
own history but one of the infinite other realities that co exist
throughout time space. When you returned to your own reality
you would discover that nothing had changed and history was not
altered for you.
 
The fact that you killed your grandfather may have ramifications in
that alternate reality but your history would have no record of the
events and all would remain the same as it was before you
attempted the murder of your fathers father.

The math seems to confirm it. I refer you to a recent episode of
Megascience on the science channel, titled “Time Travel”. The
theories discussed and the evidence presented supports my theory
of the possibility of time travel and multiple universes. They also
discuss aspects of the grandfather paradox however I think my
reasoning hits closer to the mark.

I suspect this is why the attempts to redirect our social order was
modified and partially abandoned.

The recent reports from abductees suggests a shift from the
original plan to manipulate social development to the alternate
plan of genetic retrieval. The directions and influence of these
individuals in molding society to adopt religious beliefs and social
tenants is suggested in the patterns of their involvement and in the
messages they delivered.

Their subsequent lack of attention and lack of manifestations
suggest a change in plans and a disinterest in interfering with
society as a way to alter the future.

I hope I was able to give you some things to think about and eagerly await any others questions or comments you may have. Please feel free to poke holes in my theory and show me where my reasoning needs reassessment.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 15th, 2006, 11:22pm

A few more thoughts on time travel and the possible ramifications of actions in parallel realities. In my last post I essentially sighted the same thing twice and only changed the subject from aliens to ourselves to make the point about changing history.

I can see no way to change history and have it effect the reality we live in. It has been depicted in film and print many times. When the person changes history in the movie or book with a universe that history can be changed in it is truly a chaos and has no structure that is immutable. A universe where time is not sequential and contained would have strange unexplained things happening all the time and nothing would progress with order or reason. Things would be in constant flux and no time stream could hold sway over any other if the time lines of histories could be altered.

I envision time and our multiverse as like a huge bubble of expanding point streams all originating from the instant of the big bang and radiating out at varying velocities. The points are each moments of time and the potential of difference for each point radiates from the first. I see it like a nuclear chain reaction the first particle of time splits into two potential outcomes splitting again to 4 potential outcomes to 8 , 16, 32 , 64 and so on. A quantum exponential increase for every moment of time. Expanding in an uneven bubble with each potential point bursting always from the inside out or the point of having not happened to every possible potential outcome for any action or instant
This is becoming very hard to describe.

Let me take an example. This is a very simplified version as the words do not say what I want them to.

An instant of action (example) a gun shot. from the moment that the trigger is pulled there are an expanding number of possible outcomes. the hammer could not fall and get stuck the firing pin could break and the bullet not fire , the bullet may fire but stick in the barrel. the bullet may fire but miss the target the bullet may fire and ricochet back and kill the shooter. In my view all these things can happen and as there are an infinite number of parallel universes and realities all of these things do happen. it all depends on your relativity to the gun shot. You could experience any one of these things. By traveling through the time parallels you see all of them. the number of possible realities for any one instant of time is a variable and is difficult to quantify simply because the infinite number of realities require an infinite number of possible outcomes.

To return to my thoughts on the laws governing history and time. I suggest that the time traveling aliens could in fact return to our time and do something here in this time stream that alters what we do and we are affected by this only in the stream of time we occupy. if the aliens landed and talked to the world in front of the united nations we could do many different things and in fact all the possible things we could do, happen in different streams from the moment of their appearance. The realities that are close to us and follow parallel lines are all affected by this action but nothing prior to that will have changed only what came after. If they came the day before and did the same thing the streams that had them coming the day after would not happen and our time line would diverge from that point. this did not destroy or alter the worlds where they came the day later they continue as they were and actions in those realities have no record or effect on them by the aliens stepping a day further into the past.

I know this is hard to understand as it is proving nearly impossible to put into terms we all understand. The words sound like I am going around in circles.

It is like trying to describe the point by point actions of electrons. It is impossible to predict the path of an electron. It is in more than one point at any given time and does not have a position that can be identified in this universe. Scientists suggest that the electron and all particles of matter are trans dimensional and have positions simultaneously in parallel universes or realities. This is what has been suggested by quantum physics and proven by experiment .


So I can say that if we go back in time we can do what we want with out cause for worry as when we return to our time nothing will have changed. However what ever we did in the past will have spawned an infinite number of other parallel universes all originating with our actions.

Lets take the case of going forward in time next.
I think we could go forward in time. The problem would be in finding the proper time line that reaches all the way back to the point we jumped forward from and does not split off in different directions .

So if we go to the future it may not be the future we actually wind up in at the end. The infinite possible outcomes for every point in time makes it impossible to visit a set future for our time line. Any single future may or may not be the one we are destined for. The number of possible parallel timelines and potential outcomes means that we could only view the future as a possibility never as an assured end.


Still lost in timesmiley
Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by Mewtwo on Jul 16th, 2006, 04:00am

Most of the mathemathical theories supposing existence or parallel dimensions are based on endless count of higher dimensionall systems which we , as a subordinate to them , are unable to proove or comprehend.
Still according to broader view the question is, where all these systems originated from. The theory of singularities, big bang and whatsoever, is narrow minded in the sense of being completely materialistic theory. You might not consider it before, but the causality behind it relates to purely abstract, almost mechanical Universe, where quantity and quality of difussion of particles from the point of their origin is interlocked to such an extent, that time and space are virtually same cattegory yet, as well as all other dimensions. Now if this is true, either you suppose an intelligent driving force behind the phenomena or you deny existence of such a force. Relating back to singularity it's illogical to suppose more than one intelligent creative forces at the beginning of your model of Universe. Whatever later is derived from its dimensional growth, is either result of mechanical process of chance quality or it has to be enspirited process making at least certain parts of Universe inhabitable.
Now, again, the question of origins of life can not be answered by those matterialistic scientists down on Earth, who suppose that living and nonliving structures differ just in the level of organisation of particles, and that such an level of organisation of matter can originate by itself in appropriate conditions.
According to my knowledge there we have two kinds of Universes coexisting since time immemorial, that is living and non-living universe.
Material universe responsible for creating different dimensional fields of different qualities is just a base for evolvment of living creatures, who are just part of whole body of intelligent life systems inhabitibg the space.
Their way of evolution is related to particular spacetime dimension where they originated from. As far as time correlation goes, even two of them may be not able to correspond directly to each other, untill they reach particular cross point in time and space, which is yet enough to hold the transformation of their energy fields to each other and back safely and naturaly.
Untill that time all attempts for transforming one spacetime field to another, I mean artificial physical or other attempts, are too weak to sustain the high transformation potential of the field itself and may end up in catastroph.
That way the beings visiting Earth might be coming from distant and quite different dimensional systems, they might be present even if we don't see them and even if they try to interact with our dimensional field, they and us will not succeed resultant dimensional exchange unless the conditions of local related spacetime naturaly allows this to happen.
So they might be visiting the place for relatively short time from their point of view and they might not be even able to inhabit our dimensional field the way we do it. So if they are attempting any interaction to our society, it can be also purely physical experiment from their point of view, which we are not able to judge.
Such an experimental conditions had been created even on their ships to accomodate chance visitors from somewhere else, but those conditions are probably in the state of experiment even on their own side, not to speak about ours.
Imagine accomodating an alien being to Earthly conditions and how long could you keep him alive .
Not only because of nutrition etc. but we don't have really yet developed interdimensional adaptation fascilities for such purpose and we hardly understand what such a thing could look like.
It's one of the first technologies that any alien specie would have to bring on Earth if they expect the possibility of communication with us and vice versa or if they'd like to survive local circumstances.

mewtwo grin

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 16th, 2006, 12:41pm

As for the video evidence it is becoming harder for the government
to keep its secrets and people are all armed with cameras and
video equipment.

The government is faced with the inevitable disclosure of these
things to the general public and are frantic to find ways to prevent
this from happening. It is no longer possible to arbitrarily state there is nothing there when we all can see there is. They can’t take the cameras away and they cant stop it from being seen on the internet and TV.
 
I suspect this is a problem the government is attempting to stave off as long as possible. It may be too late though and so far out of their
control they will have to respond or be found wanting by the public.

We know they are deceiving us and continue to do so.
 
We will want answers that make since and have a decided benefit
to our society overall. We will not accept anything less than a full
disclosure and any attempt to obscure the truth after the fact will
cause many to demand investigations and penalties to be dealt out
for any who were not altruistic in their motives. The aliens are not likely to appear on the White house lawn . We would destroy any craft that made the mistake of violating that protected space. As for doing so anywhere else I also think this unlikely. They have not done so in the past couple hundred years so it is a good bet they will not do so now.

The abduction reports alone are a pattern of events that would
make any government official worried as to what is happening and why.

The aspect of technology that far outstrips our own, would cause
fear in any branch of the military. I feel it would be the highest
priority for any government aware of these facts to investigate
and attempt to duplicate this technology in order to defend against
such a threat.

To say that there are no UFOs and stand on a position that there is
nothing to fear from objects that can’t exist is a blatant lie!

The public sees these things and reports their encounters and
abductions. The government is just ignoring them.

My theory is premised on our descendants returning to attempt to
repair errors in our choices and prevent the sequence of events
that progressed to the undesirable end described. They have
continued to visit us but now appear to be focusing on the retrieval
of genetic materials.

By all reports the attempts at altering our social development have been unable to alter the future. The continuing abductions fly in the face of any assertion to the contrary.

They are continuing to manipulate us and assert their wish to help
us but the added aspect of genetic manipulation and retrieval
suggests an alternate purpose to what the “aliens” are attempting.


They appear and disappear so quickly there is no way for the
government or the military to counter their actions. They move at
such great speeds and with such extreme maneuverability they
appear to defy what we know is natural law. They take people
without interference or even discovery till too late. They seam to
be omnipotent in this respect and indefensible against.

The government having begun by denying the truth and asserting the
nonexistence of aliens and UFOs cannot now recant and disclose
that they knew all along. To do so would undermine their authority
and call into question their honesty.

We would demand answers and action.

The government knows that a race of beings is able to produce
technology that surpasses anything we can create. This would
render any defense we could muster useless. This seems plausible
to me as a reason for their continued denial of the subject.

Revealing this would cause hysteria and fear to grip the public and
the government would be called upon to defend us regardless of its
ability to do so. The government has been covering it up to prevent
public hysteria and at the same time is working tirelessly to
reproduce an advanced level of technology in an attempt to prepare
for a conflict they see as inevitable.

As long as they foster the belief that the government is
unconcerned they avoid open conflict with these entities.

If the aliens are monitoring our communications, technical
advances, scientific advances and public transmissions the
campaign of denial would serve to cover up the attempts at
advancing our technology to rival their own. The government may be
hoping to lull the aliens into believing that they are not threatened.  

But are we able to threaten them?

The greatest advantage we could create would be to reach a level
of technology advanced enough to defeat them with out their becoming aware of it, however unlikely this eventuality is.

President Reagan attempted to tell us what he knew about aliens.
In fact His comments and his proposal to build an antiballistic
missile defense system based in outer space is the basis for my assertions and comments regarding why the government is continuing the coverup.

the problem we face with these intruders and the mistrust we have for our government do not bode well for our eventual understanding of these things.

Still I am ever hopeful that the truth will be found and the answers will be revealed.

Woody

Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by queenofhearts on Jul 16th, 2006, 1:33pm

Great post woody!
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by hjdelight on Jul 16th, 2006, 1:45pm

Yes indeed. You are an asset here Woody.

HJ
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 16th, 2006, 3:21pm

Thank you both QOH and HJ

I am pleased you find my thoughts and ramblings entertaining and worthy of praise.
I hope to have some discussion and feed back from the others of this group but as yet the audience is strangely quiet.

I was delighted with the post from Diamond. It gave me a chance to revisit and reexamine my own beliefs and theories. I was hoping for more of the like.

Speculations, alternate ideas, thoughts I have not considered, viewpoints that may reveal flaws in my reasoning.

As I said I’ve been part of many ufo discussion groups. QOH will understand when I say in all of these different groups there are people that are fakes, charlatans, misguided adolescents, people attempting to be someone or something they are not, disturbed misguided abductees, religious zealots seeking a following, conspiracy freaks that think they are the target of government surveillance ( My brother was one of these) self proclaimed oracles and a small contingent of true seekers.

It can sometimes be very distressing to know that so many people are using these forums for purposes that are not a true investigation and understanding of ufos and aliens.

My hope is that I am perceived as a true seeker. I am willing to lay my theory before anyone and help with the dissection of it. I have only my own thoughts and the evidence I have collected. My conjectures and conclusions are as tenuous and unsupported as tissue paper. I hope someone will help me find where I may have missed something. I too question what I have contrived here.

QOH I understand you have been abducted. could I ask you to relate your abduction experience and attempt to find contradictions in that experience that disputes or corroborates my contentions. I would enjoy hearing how and why if anything you experienced conforms to or contends with what I have conjectured.

Thanks again for your praise.

Woody
Re: UFOs and Aliens
Post by woodgnome49 on Jul 16th, 2006, 10:53pm

Welcome and well met FireCirc

I understand your apprehension. It is obvious to me that you are not new to these discussion groups.

I will attempt to maintain an inoffensive tone to my comments but please understand I have no personal knowledge of these phenomena. I can not speak from experience and thus have no grasp of the focus for your arguments. I can only answer as a mundane poorly gifted completely blind (psychically) seeker for truth.
I can only report from the realm of painful truths and hard reality.

This is not to say that unexplained things or seemingly miraculous occurrences have not happened to me. They have!

I spent my youth growing up during the 60s and 70s, My first ufo experience of note was in 69 and my first out of body experience was in 75. I have to admit the out of body thing was drug induced but the experience was as close as I can come to what I have heard and read others express on these forums.

Having given you this background I will attempt to interpret and respond to your comments.

Please forgive me for breaking your statements into smaller sections but I feel I can better discuss things if I can isolate specific sentences and work through each statement as stand alone comments.

QUOTE
I have had many psychic level experiences. I am not the type to draw conclusions about the numinous. In most cases, acknowledging the numinousity is all that is 'known'... if 'known' is what you can call it.

I am not sure what you are saying here. I understand the definition of numinous is “Spiritually elevated”. Are you saying you are not attempting to draw conclusions about the spiritually elevated? Or is it a jibe at those who profess to spiritual elevation?

Strange preamble.


QUOTE
But, isn't that these experiences are unknown, secret, hidden from us, lacking material evidence, not understood in many respects, exemplify otherness, strangeness, are weird, shadowy, not concrete... the very essence of what we are dealing with?


Yep there are a lot of strange things out there.

QUOTE
"Our sense perceptions are secondary to something we think of as reality. We usually assign reality to being 'out there'. But truthfully, our only primary original experience...experience that is not interpreted by the physical brain...is 'seen' by our psychic vision. Psychic vision originates 'within' and is direct. Psychic vision is usually constrewed as originating in the 'unconscious'...that part of what we know but that we don't know we know."




Our senses are the only way we have to perceive reality. therefore they are primary not secondary to our understanding of reality.
You and others with gifts beyond the rest of us mortals may try to convince us of other realities but there is no way for us to perceive them thus rendering them of no value to those of us which can not experience them.
If I don’t know something I don’t know that I know it. Very insightful.
Lets continue.

QUOTE
"We live in a time of extreme 'alienation'. Through the processes of externalized acculturation we have put up barriers to the full expression of our humanity. These parts, then, which must be expressed, have to be expressed covertly. As these alienated parts of our collective human nature are pushed into the shadows they may acquire lives of their own as we try to disown what we see as unacceptable or unattainable within ourselves as a collective species. I am not saying that we should express all of our primitive and survivalist instincts in socially incompatible ways, but we could take ownership of our great potentialities. "




Lets see if I can translate this into some thing that makes sense.
first two sentences. people feel alienated in general. Through a process of (Externalized) to give external existence to. (Acculturation) The modification of a primitive culture by an advanced one we have built barriers to our full humanity. this makes us tell lies.
But we don’t have to lie we can accept responsibility and seek to better ourselves.

OK I agree we don’t have to lie and to seek to better yourself is admirable.
I only wonder why you choose to use such obtuse words and couch things in so much rhetoric when stating things clearly would be so much more effective.
All you do with your unnecessary complication of these things is cause confusion and misunderstanding.


QUOTE
Each of the species of alien invaders have comparable qualities to human qualities we do not fully understand to be within our own selves. What I am saying, is that we, individually are not helpless and ignorant to the nature of the alien presence. It is our future and past selves. It truly transcends space and time. It is what floats eerily on the edges of our consciousness just out of reach.




I assume you are attempting to describe some quality we all have. One of connection through or within the multiple dimensions something that is perceptible. something that connects us to the aliens and to the multiple others that are ourselves in other realities. Or you are speaking gibberish.

I can agree that we may have some tenuous connection between our selves in other realities. A popular SiFi movie The One with Chet Lee has that as part of its premiss. I see a potential for this to have some truth.
Still the way you have chosen to express yourself and the choice of phrasing is distressingly similar to others I have spoken with in the past. Sadly they were not pleased with my assessment of their arguments and assertions.


QUOTE
It is real, very real, even more real than our time driven consiousness we think of as the material world. It is the embodiment of our direst fears and dearest hopes. We must embrace it. We must transform it from within, individually, and create the future, the humanity we most want, here, now.




Again I can only surmise you are speaking of something we all have and are not consciously aware of. I understand your desire to give us this. What you describe is tantamount to a near total state of holy spiritual grace of mind and body.
Sadly we poor subhumans have no capacity to understand what you speak of.
We are so closed off and obscured from the truth that we will never understand.
So speak to us as if we were children for we can never understand your brilliance. Stand tall in your “HIGH” place. The View must be magnificent from up there.


QUOTE
I have read the last few posts through this lense and have felt like I have understood a little something new. Even with all the other manifestations of the alien phenomenon, this may at least be something we can learn from the struggle.



I am pleased that what I and others here have said was helpful and informative to you.
I hope you will continue to learn and understand that