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Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 16th, 2010, 10:17pm

Political ET

Im restarting my old thread I had here years ago due to recent events.

What I currently find fascinating is the amount of disinformation coming from civilian and military sources. At time's it is mind boggling and seriously looks like well developed hoaxes.

Other commentators in the UFO field also seem either to believe everything that is published on the internet eg Serpo, Source A and Drone sagas. These stories put the UFO community in a bind that went around in circles for years all of which none was verified or proven.

I would like to get back to the hard facts to what it is that we really know, which is not much.

In no particular order.

*UFOs are currently visiting Earth and seemed to be very focused in the region of Texas in the USA.

*The USA and their high tech aircraft simply can not keep up with these UFO's.

*Due to numerous abductions around the world describing an ET that we call the Greys. These Greys show little or no emotion and seem to have complete disregard for human rights.

*The American Government and Nasa seem to be unable or unwilling to release what they know.

GB
Re: Political ET
Post by murnut on Jul 16th, 2010, 10:33pm

Maybe the govt and Nasa understand and know less than you think
Re: Political ET
Post by dookster on Jul 16th, 2010, 10:38pm

good post, yes there is an enouormous amount of disinformation going on. one has to wonder why this is happening. simply go by the facts and your heart and see what is really goning on does any one kmow of recent sightings in the colorado area?
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 17th, 2010, 01:56am

If fact Mur their inability to controls this phenomena is probable exactly why the US government says nothing.

Dookster I don't know of any in the Colorado area currently but I am fascinated by UFO going over the Chinese airport http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/investigatorschina.html looks very similar to the Stephenville UFO http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O8-4UNvDMEc/R5FL1T6-ICI/AAAAAAAAAZA/tUF3EWmgIXU/s400/ufo_stephenville.jpg
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 17th, 2010, 08:00am

Could be wrong about the Chinese image of the UFO due to other debate here on this forum. http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1278689526&start=45

GB
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 17th, 2010, 5:37pm

User Image

Norway spiral

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Chinese Spiral

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Russia says it is testing a rocket in space

Here is the real Video of the UFO over the air port in China



A closer look sorry for the music.



In conclusion it looks like some sort of joint Russian Chinese Space Program.

GB
Re: Political ET
Post by creolelady on Jul 17th, 2010, 10:48pm

Hello GB!
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 17th, 2010, 11:08pm

on Jul 17th, 2010, 10:48pm, creolelady wrote:
Hello GB!


Hi there long time no see thought it time to get back to my roots.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by bonehead on Jul 18th, 2010, 12:35pm

on Jul 16th, 2010, 10:17pm, GusB wrote:
What I currently find fascinating is the amount of disinformation coming from civilian and military sources. At time's it is mind boggling and seriously looks like well developed hoaxes.

Other commentators in the UFO field also seem either to believe everything that is published on the internet eg Serpo, Source A and Drone sagas. These stories put the UFO community in a bind that went around in circles for years all of which none was verified or proven.


Gus,

I would say that their really is very little in the UFO community that is "verified or proven". While the things you mention certainly seem to be hoaxes, it is stretching things a bit to say that anything out there is "proven".

Had UFOs been proven - in any way - two things would happen:

1). We would stop calling them UFOs because they would be identified.

2). UFOlogy would be an accepted science because we would have something tangible to study.

Those things have not happened. And I don't recommend holding your breath.


on Jul 16th, 2010, 10:17pm, GusB wrote:
I would like to get back to the hard facts to what it is that we really know, which is not much.

In no particular order.

*UFOs are currently visiting Earth and seemed to be very focused in the region of Texas in the USA.


Not true. UFO sightings continue in many other places around the world. Certainly sightings seem to concentrate in certain areas during certain periods. Maybe the recent Texas sightings - not far from George Bush's place - were just an attempt to plant some constructive ideas into his head.

Boy, that sure didn't work out.... rolleyes


on Jul 16th, 2010, 10:17pm, GusB wrote:
*The USA and their high tech aircraft simply can not keep up with these UFO's.


This assumes that the UFOs in question are not "ours". You cannot prove that. I suspect that some UFOs are ours and some aren't. It is a little premature and there is no evidence to support the assumptions that they are all one or the other.

on Jul 16th, 2010, 10:17pm, GusB wrote:
*Due to numerous abductions around the world describing an ET that we call the Greys. These Greys show little or no emotion and seem to have complete disregard for human rights.


Do humans show a disregard for human rights? Unless you have not been paying attention or live in Candyland, it is very clear that humans frequently show their fellow man a "complete disregard of human rights".

If we hold "them" to "our" standards, then they have shown more regard for human rights than we have. At least they aren't killing us, or throwing us away in prisons with no recourse for regaining those presumably "precious" human rights, which most of us take for granted.

So, if you really want to make this a morality thing, they are WAY ahead of us on that issue. Sorry Gus, I am only sticking with the facts here.


on Jul 16th, 2010, 10:17pm, GusB wrote:
*The American Government and Nasa seem to be unable or unwilling to release what they know.

GB


Well Gus, one out of four is not as bad as it could have been!

Only those who have not been paying attention or who live in Candyland believe that the feds are not hiding what they know about such things.

I think the secrecy thing goes right back to the human rights issue: Are we entitled to know the truth?

Crap. Can't we morally challenged humans ever get a handle on that human rights thing? lipsrsealed kiss

Cheers!! smiley

Bonehead

Re: Political ET
Post by philliman on Jul 18th, 2010, 1:35pm

on Jul 18th, 2010, 12:35pm, bonehead wrote:

Had UFOs been proven - in any way - two things would happen:

UFOs have been proven to be real and they seem to be encountered every day. I guess you are talking about ET craft since an UFO can be anything that flies and is unidentified. wink

on Jul 18th, 2010, 12:35pm, bonehead wrote:

1). We would stop calling them UFOs because they would be identified.

Before we would be able to do that we first got to know what they are, where they would come from and who's flying them. wink

on Jul 18th, 2010, 12:35pm, bonehead wrote:

2). UFOlogy would be an accepted science because we would have something tangible to study.

Agreed.

on Jul 18th, 2010, 12:35pm, bonehead wrote:
Not true. UFO sightings continue in many other places around the world. Certainly sightings seem to concentrate in certain areas during certain periods.

Agreed.

on Jul 18th, 2010, 12:35pm, bonehead wrote:

Maybe the recent Texas sightings - not far from George Bush's place - were just an attempt to plant some constructive ideas into his head.

Boy, that sure didn't work out.... rolleyes

But it surely was worth a try. grin

on Jul 18th, 2010, 12:35pm, bonehead wrote:
Do humans show a disregard for human rights? Unless you have not been paying attention or live in Candyland, it is very clear that humans frequently show their fellow man a "complete disregard of human rights".

If we hold "them" to "our" standards, then they have shown more regard for human rights than we have. At least they aren't killing us, or throwing us away in prisons with no recourse for regaining those presumably "precious" human rights, which most of us take for granted.



There were some reports of people who have been healed by ETs.

Edit to add:
BTW a very good idea for a thread. I was already thinking of something similar. A kind of compilation of what we really do know yet. Which is of course still next to nothing. But I rather prefer to know nothing than to study any fairy tales which have been provided by any people, internet-sites or forums.

Does anyone have any idea who's behind bibliotecapleyades.net? There's a lot of bogus stuff which can be found there.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 19th, 2010, 04:01am

Hang on guys what about multiple whiteness's and physical traces files http://www.ufocasebook.com/physicaltracefiles.html

Plus I think I did a pretty good job working out the UFO in China recently. In fact I think it deserves to be put on the UFO Case Book news home page.

But I think you guys make really good points and would like to see more good debates on these matters in the future.

Gus smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 19th, 2010, 04:11am

Lets debate this subject as I think it directly relates.

UFOs Shut Down Nuclear Weapons Sites Says Former Air Force Officer
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/weaponssites.html

Is this simply a situation where we call this rubbish until we get a press conference from top brass explaining this issue with UFOs.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 21st, 2010, 05:29am

I just sent a email to Nasa asking if the international space station saw the rockets come from Russia and China.

I find that they never reply to tough questions.

G

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5H_auFohP0 this one has techno music grin
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 23rd, 2010, 05:41am

WTF

Vandenberg Air Force Base



G

1/7/11 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2009761/Alien-battleship-Star-Gate-ICBM-Mysterious-bubble-like-light-burst-seen-Hawaii-internet-sky-watchers-puzzled.html#ixzz1QqRkhRV7
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 23rd, 2010, 05:47am

Now Google Earth on one page Xiaoshan Airport in Hangzhou

and on another Vandenberg Air Force Base

Scroll back until you get a good map of the world and of course you will see that both these events are horizontal to each other.

NASA knows

WOW
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 26th, 2010, 12:07am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/whitehousebeamoflight.html

I consider these UFOs over restricted airspace fascinating. The Stephenville UFOs were doing a fly by the Bush Ranch now we have one doing a fly by past the White House.

At face value you would think it is a testing of the boundaries and the UFO is testing the responses to these incursions.

I have also seen a number of these beams of light coming from UFOs but this one simply looks like movement of the camera. Considering it is at night it will be impossible to know.

If it is some sort of beam like others that have been filmed in the past IMO they are some sort of reconnaissance device collecting information.

I would consider this breach of restricted airspace (if real) very serious.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 30th, 2010, 03:21am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/accusegovernment.html

Excellent piece, the idea that ET would help humans understand that they are humans from Earth. Rather than from their nation states is a very good point.

When you think that in most case's of control over a nation it is about a small group of people like politicians telling another violent small group of people to bash the living day lights out of a the general public if they don't conform.

It does put a different perspective on why the governments don't want to talk about it.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by Seeker on Jul 30th, 2010, 09:20am

on Jul 16th, 2010, 10:17pm, GusB wrote:
Political ET

Im restarting my old thread I had here years ago due to recent events.

What I currently find fascinating is the amount of disinformation coming from civilian and military sources. At time's it is mind boggling and seriously looks like well developed hoaxes.

Other commentators in the UFO field also seem either to believe everything that is published on the internet eg Serpo, Source A and Drone sagas. These stories put the UFO community in a bind that went around in circles for years all of which none was verified or proven.

I would like to get back to the hard facts to what it is that we really know, which is not much.

In no particular order.

*UFOs are currently visiting Earth and seemed to be very focused in the region of Texas in the USA.

*The USA and their high tech aircraft simply can not keep up with these UFO's.

*Due to numerous abductions around the world describing an ET that we call the Greys. These Greys show little or no emotion and seem to have complete disregard for human rights.

*The American Government and Nasa seem to be unable or unwilling to release what they know.

GB


Since you include the abduction scenario with the ubiquitous grays (which is unproven and taken on the word of the good people who have been subjected to same), why do you exclude the experiences of contactees who have been exposed to a very different scenario with beings of an entirely different race? Granted, there is no "proof" of their claims either, but how is that different from those of abductees?
Re: Political ET
Post by bonehead on Jul 30th, 2010, 10:54am

on Jul 30th, 2010, 09:20am, Seeker wrote:
Since you include the abduction scenario with the ubiquitous grays (which is unproven and taken on the word of the good people who have been subjected to same), why do you exclude the experiences of contactees who have been exposed to a very different scenario with beings of an entirely different race? Granted, there is no "proof" of their claims either, but how is that different from those of abductees?


Seeker,

I have asked this question myself in the past. The conclusion I came to is that the abductee/evil troll scenario is the more attractive one because it affirms our innate fear of the unknown.

It is for the same reason that the news conforms to the "if it bleeds, it leads" imperative. People like their adrenals stimulated. Transcendent experiences only do that for those who personally receive the transcendence. There is no vicarious terror (thrill) in the "space brother" scenario. kiss

Bonehead

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 30th, 2010, 5:40pm

on Jul 30th, 2010, 10:54am, bonehead wrote:
Seeker,

I have asked this question myself in the past. The conclusion I came to is that the abductee/evil troll scenario is the more attractive one because it affirms our innate fear of the unknown.

It is for the same reason that the news conforms to the "if it bleeds, it leads" imperative. People like their adrenals stimulated. Transcendent experiences only do that for those who personally receive the transcendence. There is no vicarious terror (thrill) in the "space brother" scenario. kiss

Bonehead


Hi there

I have read the entire abductions and close encounters of the 3rd kind here on this web site a few time's http://www.ufocasebook.com/alienabductions.html and the contact files . http://www.ufocasebook.com/aliencontactcases.html

My conclusion is based on that information and many other reports I have come across from other sources like the news and other UFO web site's.

I simply have not seen enough of what you guys are talking about. I find those stories inconsistent in frequency and one story from another I find is very different, including the type of ET.

With the Grey's they are persistent, frequent with multiple witnesses and physical trace evidence, occurring all over the world.

I am more than happy to review your files or links if you have them.

Gus smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by Seeker on Jul 30th, 2010, 7:08pm

on Jul 30th, 2010, 10:54am, bonehead wrote:
Seeker,

I have asked this question myself in the past. The conclusion I came to is that the abductee/evil troll scenario is the more attractive one because it affirms our innate fear of the unknown.

It is for the same reason that the news conforms to the "if it bleeds, it leads" imperative. People like their adrenals stimulated. Transcendent experiences only do that for those who personally receive the transcendence. There is no vicarious terror (thrill) in the "space brother" scenario. kiss

Bonehead


Probably you are right in your assessment... I'm a bit "off" in that way. Blood and gore and negative stories send me to the next room to escape them, while transcendent ones captivate me! Perhaps because A) I've had my own, anb B) my personal belief system is heartened when I hear of them, as that is the direction I believe the human race is meant to go in smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 30th, 2010, 9:58pm

on Jul 30th, 2010, 7:08pm, Seeker wrote:
Probably you are right in your assessment... I'm a bit "off" in that way. Blood and gore and negative stories send me to the next room to escape them, while transcendent ones captivate me! Perhaps because A) I've had my own, anb B) my personal belief system is heartened when I hear of them, as that is the direction I believe the human race is meant to go in smiley


I concur with your post and IMO as diverse is our great sea's and oceans are with life I suspect that the universe is the same.

The Greys are in the truest sense of the word Alien. Unfortunately they seem to be the most frequent to Earth and seem to have their own agenda.

I positively look forward to meeting ETs with a greater sense of enlightenment.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by bonehead on Aug 1st, 2010, 1:37pm

on Jul 30th, 2010, 5:40pm, GusB wrote:
Hi there

I have read the entire abductions and close encounters of the 3rd kind here on this web site a few time's http://www.ufocasebook.com/alienabductions.html and the contact files . http://www.ufocasebook.com/aliencontactcases.html

My conclusion is based on that information and many other reports I have come across from other sources like the news and other UFO web site's.

I simply have not seen enough of what you guys are talking about. I find those stories inconsistent in frequency and one story from another I find is very different, including the type of ET.

With the Grey's they are persistent, frequent with multiple witnesses and physical trace evidence, occurring all over the world.

I am more than happy to review your files or links if you have them.

Gus smiley


Gus,

The question I was referring to was the one highlighted in Seeker's posting:


"Since you include the abduction scenario with the ubiquitous grays (which is unproven and taken on the word of the good people who have been subjected to same), why do you exclude the experiences of contactees who have been exposed to a very different scenario with beings of an entirely different race? Granted, there is no "proof" of their claims either, but how is that different from those of abductees?"

In essence, the contactees are a positive yang, to the abductees negative yin. In other words, they offer another side to the alien contact story. Contactees are generally frowned upon by those who study UFOs. The argument is that their stories are a little loopy and that they offer no proof for them.

That's okay, there is no proof for nuts and bolts UFOs or abductee cases either. I think the objections are more churlish and dismissive than justified. In my opinion they are moot. If you read the contactee cases with an open mind, you will find that there is quite a bit of corroboration between the philosophies expressed by the "space brothers".

If you ignore the fantastic elements such as living on Venus or on a planet carefully hidden behind the moon, the stories do have a remarkable similarity.

Perhaps you can look up Contactees through google, which gave me some of these links. Here are some links for you:

https://webspace.utexas.edu/cokerwr/www/index.html/sbrothers.shtml

This is a less than affectionate look at Contactees, but it does give you a quick overview.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contactee

Typical wikipedia. It gives a decent overview and has a nice list at the bottom of the page with links to stories of many individual contactees.

http://danielfry.com/

This is a fantastic site about my favorite contactee. There is tons of material to explore here. This includes his book, "The White Sands Incident" which I read as a young school boy. It is an interesting book which can be read in full here:

http://danielfry.com/daniels-writings/white-sands-incident/

I hope this helps and you find it interesting!

Cheers!! grin

Bonehead

Re: Political ET
Post by beeleaver66 on Aug 1st, 2010, 4:45pm

on Aug 1st, 2010, 1:37pm, bonehead wrote:
That's okay, there is no proof for nuts and bolts UFOs or abductee cases either. I think the objections are more churlish and dismissive than justified. In my opinion they are moot. If you read the contactee cases with an open mind, you will find that there is quite a bit of corroboration between the philosophies expressed by the "space brothers".

Bonehead


Bone, and what of the corroboration of multiple sightings of "nuts and bolts craft"? Are these same corroborative reports not as relevant as those of the contactees?
i understand that you said There is no proof for either, but in your Opinion, is one more special than the other? I would think the sightings of nuts and bolts craft that exhibit similar form and function, equate to any proof the contactees would espouse, plus some. Call me biased though, these darn eyes of mine.
Beeleaver
Re: Political ET
Post by philliman on Aug 2nd, 2010, 06:18am

on Jul 30th, 2010, 7:08pm, Seeker wrote:
Probably you are right in your assessment... I'm a bit "off" in that way. Blood and gore and negative stories send me to the next room to escape them, while transcendent ones captivate me! Perhaps because A) I've had my own, anb B) my personal belief system is heartened when I hear of them, as that is the direction I believe the human race is meant to go in smiley

Is there a thread where you talk about your experiences?
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 2nd, 2010, 06:39am

on Aug 1st, 2010, 1:37pm, bonehead wrote:
Gus,

The question I was referring to was the one highlighted in Seeker's posting:


"Since you include the abduction scenario with the ubiquitous grays (which is unproven and taken on the word of the good people who have been subjected to same), why do you exclude the experiences of contactees who have been exposed to a very different scenario with beings of an entirely different race? Granted, there is no "proof" of their claims either, but how is that different from those of abductees?"

In essence, the contactees are a positive yang, to the abductees negative yin. In other words, they offer another side to the alien contact story. Contactees are generally frowned upon by those who study UFOs. The argument is that their stories are a little loopy and that they offer no proof for them.

That's okay, there is no proof for nuts and bolts UFOs or abductee cases either. I think the objections are more churlish and dismissive than justified. In my opinion they are moot. If you read the contactee cases with an open mind, you will find that there is quite a bit of corroboration between the philosophies expressed by the "space brothers".

If you ignore the fantastic elements such as living on Venus or on a planet carefully hidden behind the moon, the stories do have a remarkable similarity.

Perhaps you can look up Contactees through google, which gave me some of these links. Here are some links for you:

https://webspace.utexas.edu/cokerwr/www/index.html/sbrothers.shtml

This is a less than affectionate look at Contactees, but it does give you a quick overview.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contactee

Typical wikipedia. It gives a decent overview and has a nice list at the bottom of the page with links to stories of many individual contactees.

http://danielfry.com/

This is a fantastic site about my favorite contactee. There is tons of material to explore here. This includes his book, "The White Sands Incident" which I read as a young school boy. It is an interesting book which can be read in full here:

http://danielfry.com/daniels-writings/white-sands-incident/

I hope this helps and you find it interesting!

Cheers!! grin

Bonehead


They would have to be the worst examples I have ever seen, very funny.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by CA519705950 on Aug 2nd, 2010, 08:55am

on Jul 18th, 2010, 1:35pm, philliman wrote:
Does anyone have any idea who's behind bibliotecapleyades.net? There's a lot of bogus stuff which can be found there.

Giorgio Gilardi, apparently... ggmidas@hotmail.com.
http://whois.domaintools.com/bibliotecapleyades.net
Re: Political ET
Post by Seeker on Aug 2nd, 2010, 09:19am

on Aug 2nd, 2010, 06:18am, philliman wrote:
Is there a thread where you talk about your experiences?


Hi Phil smiley

There is no one particular thread dedicated to same, no. My experiences are, for the most part, personal and I've never believed they were intended to share with all of humanity as some great message I'd been charged with bringing them (a la Blossom Goodchild!). Rather, they pertain to me and to my own spiritual unfoldment. So no, I never dedicated a thread to sharing same, though I have at times aluded to bits and pieces I felt were germane to a given thread or discussion. They are not organized in any fashion, but are scattered across the forum, and I myself would be hard-pressed to locate them!
Re: Political ET
Post by bonehead on Aug 2nd, 2010, 11:26am

on Aug 1st, 2010, 4:45pm, beeleaver66 wrote:
Bone, and what of the corroboration of multiple sightings of "nuts and bolts craft"? Are these same corroborative reports not as relevant as those of the contactees?
i understand that you said There is no proof for either, but in your Opinion, is one more special than the other? I would think the sightings of nuts and bolts craft that exhibit similar form and function, equate to any proof the contactees would espouse, plus some. Call me biased though, these darn eyes of mine.
Beeleaver


Beeleaver,

Oh yes, the nuts and bolts reports are more relevant, in a materialist sense.

Of course, the contactees do not operate in a material realm. We are talking purely visionary stuff here. The contactees are more like space-age tribal shamans than materialist sentinels for the coming of alien space ships.

What you are talking about is Stan Friedman versus George Adamski. These folks and their agendas do not activate in the same relative field.

What I believe is that the material is not the final arbiter of what is or isn't valid. My fascination with the contactees is why do all of their stories have the same moral curve to them?

Are liars and frauds all liberal philosophers? Why, when they speak of our social ills and innate self-destructiveness, are they so right?

Personally, I do not think the metaphysical status (whether they are materially "real" or not) of the Contactee's stories is completely relevant. Their seemingly uniform and urgent messages are the measure of their validity. And, in that case, I think they are more than a little relevant.

If we all thought and acted like the space brothers, we would be living in a Utopian society. In that contest, Stan Friedman is a fantasist dealing in inconsequential nonsense, while George Adamski asks truly temporally relevant questions.

That is my opinion anyway. I recognize that it does not make me popular with some folks (thanks Gus!).

That's alright, I don't do this to please others.... wink

Cheers!! grin

Bonehead







Re: Political ET
Post by philliman on Aug 2nd, 2010, 11:28am

That's ok. I guess I got to make sure then that I won't miss any of your posts. wink
on Aug 2nd, 2010, 08:55am, CA519705950 wrote:
Giorgio Gilardi, apparently... ggmidas@hotmail.com.
http://whois.domaintools.com/bibliotecapleyades.net

Thanks, CA.

This name doesn't strike me familiar in any kind of way and a quick search didn't turned out if he may be somehow connected to the Exopolitics- or the Greer-folks (which are IMO disinfo-agents).
Re: Political ET
Post by beeleaver66 on Aug 2nd, 2010, 7:50pm

Thanks Bonehead, I appreciate the insights.
Liars and Frauds use liberal philosophy among other things, to sell not only themselves, but everyone else who will listen.
I find it relevant that there appears to be more "experiences" with regards to contactees, than Physical Craft? is that right? IDK, probably be a good study.
Do their stories all have the same slant, progressively throughout the history of these events? I have found the late 19th century American sightings to be a fascinating read. Comparing them to the apparently evolved sightings we read of today, has a curve to it as well. Its weird.
I would like to believe that life on Venus is possible.
But the absolute brainwash by Empirical sciences today, has made that so unbelievable. Theres an example of the
damage. My son is a Jr, astrophysicist grin
And he is adamant that Venus is uninhabitable.
The imbalance that exists must be balanced. there needs to be as many Adamskis as Freidmans. And i dont see that anytime soon. Someday, maybe. But i am not optimistic.
Righteous. thanks
beeleaver







Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 4th, 2010, 12:02am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/reallythere.html

There has been one hell of a spike of UFO sightings on the East Coast of Australia on the border between New South Wales and Queensland of late.

Can anyone speculate as to why I have looked at Google Earth and cant really see why.

Gus
Re: Political ET
Post by Luvey on Aug 4th, 2010, 02:23am

on Aug 4th, 2010, 12:02am, GusB wrote:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/reallythere.html

There has been one hell of a spike of UFO sightings on the East Coast of Australia on the border between New South Wales and Queensland of late.

Can anyone speculate as to why I have looked at Google Earth and cant really see why.

Gus


Maybe they are alien tourists.... wink That particular area is some of the most beautiful country in Australia.... absolutely beautiful and home to quite a few movie stars. Not that I think for a moment that movie stars are an attraction. smiley
Rolling green hills and rain forests.....

Luvey
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 4th, 2010, 02:55am

Any bases or reactors we don't know of?

G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by Luvey on Aug 4th, 2010, 03:12am

on Aug 4th, 2010, 02:55am, GusB wrote:
Any bases or reactors we don't know of?

G undecided


Military bases... Not that I know of Gus, but that is not saying there isn't any. There are bases further down the east coast. Australians are pretty against nuclear power. I don't know if there are any nuclear power plants in Australia.... I did hear once that there was one in Sydney.... whether that is true or not I don't know.

As a matter of interest Gus, and I don't know if it has any bearing whatsoever on the UFO flap happening there... but over the past 5 years I have received two emails from people who live a bit further up the coast into Queensland reporting sightings of a huge flying reptile. The last report was recent. I put them in contact with a person I know of who seriously investigates such reports. I cannot elaborate any further than that as it was confidential.

Luvey
Re: Political ET
Post by ava on Aug 4th, 2010, 08:24am

Beeleaver,

...Although Venus is the planet closest to Earth (some 40 million kilometres at inferior conjunction), and is similar in size, the resemblance is superficial: no probe has been able to survive more than a few hours on its surface because the atmospheric pressure is some 90 times that of Earth's. The temperature on the surface is around 450°C (842°F). This is mostly caused by the greenhouse effect created by an atmosphere composed mainly of carbon dioxide (96.5%)...

Wiki.

...I would like to believe that life on Venus is possible. ..

My son is a Jr, astrophysicist grin
And he is adamant that Venus is uninhabitable.
...

Maybe it is time you started listening to your son.

ava
Re: Political ET
Post by Seeker on Aug 4th, 2010, 09:48am

on Aug 2nd, 2010, 11:26am, bonehead wrote:
Beeleaver,

Oh yes, the nuts and bolts reports are more relevant, in a materialist sense.

Of course, the contactees do not operate in a material realm. We are talking purely visionary stuff here. The contactees are more like space-age tribal shamans than materialist sentinels for the coming of alien space ships.

What you are talking about is Stan Friedman versus George Adamski. These folks and their agendas do not activate in the same relative field.

What I believe is that the material is not the final arbiter of what is or isn't valid. My fascination with the contactees is why do all of their stories have the same moral curve to them?

Are liars and frauds all liberal philosophers? Why, when they speak of our social ills and innate self-destructiveness, are they so right?

Personally, I do not think the metaphysical status (whether they are materially "real" or not) of the Contactee's stories is completely relevant. Their seemingly uniform and urgent messages are the measure of their validity. And, in that case, I think they are more than a little relevant.

If we all thought and acted like the space brothers, we would be living in a Utopian society. In that contest, Stan Friedman is a fantasist dealing in inconsequential nonsense, while George Adamski asks truly temporally relevant questions.

That is my opinion anyway. I recognize that it does not make me popular with some folks (thanks Gus!).

That's alright, I don't do this to please others.... wink

Cheers!! grin

Bonehead


Boney,

As usual, a beautiful and eloquent post. Much appreciated! wink
Re: Political ET
Post by bonehead on Aug 4th, 2010, 11:15am

on Aug 2nd, 2010, 7:50pm, beeleaver66 wrote:
Thanks Bonehead, I appreciate the insights.
Liars and Frauds use liberal philosophy among other things, to sell not only themselves, but everyone else who will listen.


Beeleleaver,

Yeah, true enough. But then there are other people who weren't "frauds" who also espoused liberal philosophies: Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, etc.

The truth is, liberal philosophies are the only hope for mankind. Conservatism is destroying our planet and our fellow man, who doesn't usually take too kindly to that, and generally comes back to return the favor: Thus, perpetual war.

The fact that "liberal" has become a pejorative term in our cultural dialog speaks volumes about how far into the abyss we have fallen. In this case, I think the term "fraud" is relative. I will take an interesting liberal "fraud", like Adamski, over a genuine disappointing liberal fraud, like Obama, any day. Maybe it is time we started to listen to Jesus, MLK or Adamski.

In a cultural sense, it sure beats the hell out of listening to Friedman. wink

(Although I do have to give him props for stating that, "The reason aliens do not associate with us is because we are primitives who still participate in tribal warfare.")


on Aug 2nd, 2010, 7:50pm, beeleaver66 wrote:
I find it relevant that there appears to be more "experiences" with regards to contactees, than Physical Craft? is that right? IDK, probably be a good study.


Well, the contactees offer no "proof" for their stories. But if the "nuts and bolts" crowd had anything substantial to offer in this vein, then UFOlogy would be a vetted academic study and we would not be discussing this on a fringe website. That didn't happen either.

There is no proof for the UFO one way or the other. We are only dealing with anecdotal stories with the occasional burnt foliage, broken branches, impressions in the soil or radar readings to corroborate them.

What do those things teach us? huh

Nothing about the danger of nuclear technology or how to get along with our fellow man. For my money, Adamski offers something much more relevant to my life than Friedman does.


on Aug 2nd, 2010, 7:50pm, beeleaver66 wrote:
Do their stories all have the same slant, progressively throughout the history of these events? I have found the late 19th century American sightings to be a fascinating read. Comparing them to the apparently evolved sightings we read of today, has a curve to it as well. Its weird.


Personally, I think the airship sightings of 1896-97 tell us more about what we are dealing with than any of the post Kenneth Arnold stuff. If the airships were exotic mirages, then I would have to say that Arnold's skipping crescent shaped ships are no different: they are temperamentally attuned to our "modern" sensibilities in precisely the same way that the airships were attuned to Victorian sensibilities.

Think about it. wink


on Aug 2nd, 2010, 7:50pm, beeleaver66 wrote:
I would like to believe that life on Venus is possible.
But the absolute brainwash by Empirical sciences today, has made that so unbelievable. Theres an example of the
damage. My son is a Jr, astrophysicist grin
And he is adamant that Venus is uninhabitable.
The imbalance that exists must be balanced. there needs to be as many Adamskis as Freidmans. And i dont see that anytime soon. Someday, maybe. But i am not optimistic.
Righteous. thanks
beeleaver


Of course life is possible on Venus. Who are we to say what is or isn't possible? They have found microbes living in conditions of extreme heat, under conditions that twenty years ago biologists said was impossible.

And if Adamski's experiences were visionary, i.e., immaterial, then it may be that his handsome Venusians were not material beings either. If that is true, then who is to say that immaterial beings cannot live under material conditions that would fry us? In fact, who is to say that materiality is relevant at all, in the grand scheme of things. The universe is a universe of possibilities, not limitations.

Well, unless you live in that tiny materialist box that our schools and science want to put us in.

I think the disconnect here is believing that the material and the spiritual world of experience are two separate things. The first sin of science was the schism of dualism. If religion and science both seek truth, then by definition, they are not actually separate things.

The truth will set you free, well, unless you try to squeeze it into one of those tiny restrictive boxes our culture is so fond of..... rolleyes kiss

Bonehead

Re: Political ET
Post by philliman on Aug 4th, 2010, 1:32pm

You've made some excellent points, Bonehead. And concerning life on Venus I use to mention: what do we really know from the universe at all? Only what the space agencies use to tell us, right. wink
on Aug 2nd, 2010, 11:28am, philliman wrote:
That's ok. I guess I got to make sure then that I won't miss any of your posts. wink

BTW the comment above was directed at Seeker. Didn't recognized that Bonehead and I have posted nearly simultaneously. smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 4th, 2010, 9:23pm

on Aug 4th, 2010, 11:15am, bonehead wrote:
Beeleleaver,

[color=LimeGreen]Well, the contactees offer no "proof" for their stories. But if the "nuts and bolts" crowd had anything substantial to offer in this vein, then UFOlogy would be a vetted academic study and we would not be discussing this on a fringe website. That didn't happen either.

There is no proof for the UFO one way or the other. We are only dealing with anecdotal stories with the occasional burnt foliage, broken branches, impressions in the soil or radar readings to corroborate them.


Bonehead


You forget implants and also soil samples left with radiation. Witnesses of UFO’s have had Doctors say that they have had radiation poisoning.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by bonehead on Aug 6th, 2010, 12:10pm

on Aug 4th, 2010, 9:23pm, GusB wrote:
You forget implants and also soil samples left with radiation. Witnesses of UFO’s have had Doctors say that they have had radiation poisoning.

G


I did forget to include those things on my list. Thanks Gus! smiley

But those things are no more conclusive than the things I listed. In fact, I would say that the alien implants are even more inconclusive than the others. The implants have proven to be nothing more than something weird and organic. What does that prove?

My point was that those things suggest something happened, but they do not "prove" anything. You can get radiation burns by disabling the door cutoff switch and running your microwave oven with the door open. Or you can get it at your local Air Force base by standing in the general vicinity of an airplane with its radar running. I am sure that soil taken from along military runways will show heightened radiation levels.

You can get foreign organic matter inside your body by stubbing your toe while bare footed.

Bottom line: this does not alter my argument at all. When UFOlogy becomes a widely accepted academic subject at universities, then I will accept that there is reason to change my viewpoint.

Bonehead

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 9th, 2010, 12:01am

I found this to be a great read and good to see MUFON on the job.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/reedabduction.html

Gus tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 13th, 2010, 05:08am

Solar Warden http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/twincitiesvideo.html

What I think is an attempt to block ETs abducting people with zero effect.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 16th, 2010, 01:22am

Its really interesting as these files have come out in the UK http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/britreleasepope.html

But also see why the US does not disclose as people are starting to work out that ET is here, ET abducts people and we don't have the technology to deal with it.

If anything it is no greater excuse to say to the public that Solar Warden is a necessary attempt to deal with ET abductions and contact.

G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 16th, 2010, 01:38am

Excellent discussion on the current issues of disclosure from the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhbrSfzOJB0

I suspect that Wiki Leaks may have the smoking gun for this problem.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by NorvalC on Aug 19th, 2010, 10:46pm

They may have the smoking gun, but I see the bullet holes.


http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=firstnew&board=towers&num=1281883288
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 28th, 2010, 6:59pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/cacrash.html

Very interesting, where to from here?

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 3rd, 2010, 11:26pm

Good to see some level headed discussions happening with civilians on the subject.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5667118/ufo_sightings_in_france.html

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/keaninterview.html
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 9th, 2010, 06:39am

Saw a great show on the future of Quantum mechanics.

Meta Materials that can create invisible cloaks and Carbon nanotubes the strongest man made material. With the addition of fusion power in the not to distant future would create a new industrial revolution of Quantum mechanics.

I used to wonder when humanity first saw UFO were ETs saying "look at us try and do what we do". eg http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/japanvideo2010.html

With the above video could they be saying to us "Now work towards Quantum mechanics".

I think so.

G cool
Re: Political ET
Post by philliman on Sep 10th, 2010, 07:07am

May I ask how do you come to that conclusion by watching that vid?
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 10th, 2010, 5:41pm

on Sep 10th, 2010, 07:07am, philliman wrote:
May I ask how do you come to that conclusion by watching that vid?


Speculation primarily this vid reminded me a lot of the Morphing UFO that we have documented over the years. I Just googled it and their is a good collection there.

The thing about Quantum mechanics is the scientists are talking about molecules the same way we are seeing UFOs.

fascinating

G smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 12th, 2010, 05:46am

Okay this is odd

Crash in California 27th August 2010 http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/cacrash.html

Crash Virginia and from citizens within Dinwiddie County 7th September 2010
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/wtvr-dinwiddie-ufo-story,0,6845085.story

Crash in Hawaii 9th September 2010
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/hawaii091110.html

Gus tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by philliman on Sep 13th, 2010, 3:38pm

on Sep 10th, 2010, 5:41pm, GusB wrote:
Speculation primarily this vid reminded me a lot of the Morphing UFO that we have documented over the years. I Just googled it and their is a good collection there.

The thing about Quantum mechanics is the scientists are talking about molecules the same way we are seeing UFOs.

fascinating

G smiley

Do you mean this one?


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 14th, 2010, 01:02am

No those are balloons, The first one I ever saw was Nellis Air Force Base, 1994 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XtUyzZxOYo

Their either all fakes/balloons (Im now leaning more on the fake/balloon's) or there is some sort of Quantum mechanic based UFO.

With another UFO seen over Mongolia that has stopped air traffic looks like a whole heap of stuff is happening up their in space.

G smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by philliman on Sep 14th, 2010, 07:29am

on Sep 14th, 2010, 01:02am, GusB wrote:
No those are balloons,

Correct. It's supposedly footage of a hoaxed UFO-sighting in which allegedly James Carrion, former Mufon international director, was involved.

I believe that I was not familiar with that other vid you've posted so far. But I feel that we should be careful with interpreting anything into any kind of movement or in what we believe we've just seen since people seem to be so quick in jumping to any conclusion. IMO there's no way to tell if there's anything like quantum mechanics involved regarding that object. It's just a speculation based on a point of view and doesn't really help with understanding what this object really was if you know what I mean. wink
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 15th, 2010, 03:16am

on Sep 14th, 2010, 07:29am, philliman wrote:
Correct. It's supposedly footage of a hoaxed UFO-sighting in which allegedly James Carrion, former Mufon international director, was involved.

I believe that I was not familiar with that other vid you've posted so far. But I feel that we should be careful with interpreting anything into any kind of movement or in what we believe we've just seen since people seem to be so quick in jumping to any conclusion. IMO there's no way to tell if there's anything like quantum mechanics involved regarding that object. It's just a speculation based on a point of view and doesn't really help with understanding what this object really was if you know what I mean. wink


Its all speculation and Ufology is like trying to understand whale songs and what goes through their brains. But looking at the original piece from 1994 that came from the US military, it's easy to keep that in mind for future UFO events like it.

I have to say though it looks like the US military were either unaware they were balloons or deliberately trying to miss lead the public. I personally prefer the latter.

Always good to review old footage.

Good debate Philliman.

G smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 17th, 2010, 07:21am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/battleofraf.html

It's odd how these things pop up while I talk to people in the know.

I have been speaking to people who speak to people in the Australian Air Force.

They have said that it is common for UFOs to tail military air craft.

Im sure if it is happening to them it must be happening all over the world. I wonder what the percentage would be for the worlds military air forces combined being tailed by UFOs.

G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 23rd, 2010, 01:44am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/nuclearweapons.html

The level of discussion is far more intense than it was say 6 or 7 years ago but currently seeing this debate remain in military circles and not with politicians and civilians is the true test.

What ever is brought forward means nothing unless the debate hits the front pages of all the worlds news papers and media.

So these guys can have their press conference and media release (As many have done in the past) but if it does not hit the mainstream media with serious discussion people will continue to ignore the issue of ET contact and it’s possible implications.

When I see this then I will believe it.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by High Gravity on Sep 26th, 2010, 10:46pm

Like Maj. Gen. Samford AF Dir. of Intelligence stated back in 1952, "They pose no threat to the security of the United States." To me that says that the U.S. is aware of UFOs and that the U.S. knows them to be benign, or atleast, benevolent for the time being. Disinformation is regrettable, but "the truth must be protected by a bodyguard of lies," a quote attributed to both Churchill and Stalin.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 27th, 2010, 01:49am

on Sep 26th, 2010, 10:46pm, High Gravity wrote:
Like Maj. Gen. Samford AF Dir. of Intelligence stated back in 1952, "They pose no threat to the security of the United States." To me that says that the U.S. is aware of UFOs and that the U.S. knows them to be benign, or atleast, benevolent for the time being. Disinformation is regrettable, but "the truth must be protected by a bodyguard of lies," a quote attributed to both Churchill and Stalin.


Yes this could very well be the truth but abductees certainly feel that their human rights are being severely breached.
I’m not 100% sure that the US military would be happy about the many reports of UFO entering sensitive areas. IMO I think the US military would work towards trying to create systems that would prevent UFOs from doing so in the future.

I do find the timing of this new position at the UN interesting http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/incomingaliens.html

Any views on this?

G smiley

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 27th, 2010, 7:14pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/airmentestified.html

Always good to see a well done media releases like the above link. The real trick here is the response from politicians, media and civilians to this release of information.

don't hold your breath.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 28th, 2010, 03:28am

What’s interesting about this is that overall the US military and NASA will not respond to this in any proper official manner. The media will treat it like a joke or indifference and make out like it has little effect on the average Joe. Sad but true.

Looking at it at a different angle with testimonies like these and say the Zimbabwe UFO incident of 1994. ET has made contact and his message is as follows.

• Don’t play with nukes
• Stop destroying the Earth
• We will not help you

The last one I put in simply because it would seem that their is no official civilian contact that has occurred yet.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by philliman on Sep 28th, 2010, 3:45pm

The Zimbabwe-case is indeed a very interesting one. Smersh once made a thread about that. It's really hard to debunk since most if not all of those kids didn't seemed to had any kind of exposure to tv or comic books since they were living in a very rural area. Plus the children who witnessed that event (an UFO landed and beings got out with which they had a short telepathic contact, message described above by Gus) were all consistent in their testimonies. Also the sketches they made of the craft and of those beings, which seemed to be of a Grey type, were always quite the same. So it's very likely that they all witness and experienced the same.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 30th, 2010, 05:00am



Timing is everything, ya feel a build up happening?

Nope

G grin
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 1st, 2010, 7:35pm



http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/moredisclosures.html

Its all happening at the moment I wonder how long this momentum will go for.

Unfortunately this will mean nothing until current high ranking politicians start openly talking about ETs visiting Earth.

This view of mass panic happening when people realise that we are not alone in the universe is just complete rubbish. With no proof of backing such a statement.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 6th, 2010, 11:47pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/chinafreshreport.html

Even if this a man made UFO it would be good to have it in other parts of the world.

The photo that is attached to the above link IMO is a fake. If you look at page 1 of this thread you will see the films of these UFOs that are stopping air traffic and creating news reports.

The more the better.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 11th, 2010, 06:00am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/pressresponse.html

Not a bad piece for a small news paper but still lacks common sense and little more research.

He is correct in saying that until we have film of ET coming out of a UFO and shake the Presidents hand. Most people who don't follow Ufology will always say what this writer did.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by Sam on Oct 11th, 2010, 1:48pm

Quote:
until we have film of ET coming out of a UFO


five times I film of ET out of UFO, but they are no the ET humanoid, just kind of species: http://ufo-spacelife.blogspot.com/2009/12/alien-comes-out-of-ufo.html
http://ufo-spacelife.blogspot.com/2010/03/pictures-of-two-simple-form-critter.html
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 13th, 2010, 12:11am

on Sep 30th, 2010, 05:00am, GusB wrote:


Timing is everything, ya feel a build up happening?

Nope

G grin


http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/zarminasignal.html

Well this is interesting surly their must be other scientists that can look for similar signals from this planet.

G smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 15th, 2010, 5:17pm



This needs to be investigated as a hoax or something more.

People are saying is could be a nuclear reactor breaking down Qinling Mountains, Taibai, Baoji, China.

The fall out of such an event will be monitored by other nations so we will see.

It almost has a War of the Worlds feel about it.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 20th, 2010, 05:35am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/timelyreporting.html
I thought the article went well with the below footage.



Film of the UFO that shut down the Baotou , Inner Mongolia. Looks like an Aurora space craft entering Chinese air space. Now that would make the Chinese pretty angry.

It would seem that that there is some sort of arming of space race going on between the US Allies and the Russia, China alliance.

Only time will tell.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 21st, 2010, 02:24am

on Oct 20th, 2010, 05:35am, GusB wrote:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/timelyreporting.html
I thought the article went well with the below footage.



Film of the UFO that shut down the Baotou , Inner Mongolia. Looks like an Aurora space craft entering Chinese air space. Now that would make the Chinese pretty angry.

It would seem that that there is some sort of arming of space race going on between the US Allies and the Russia, China alliance.

Only time will tell.

G tongue


If you Google Map Jiuquan Satellite Launch Centre, China and pull back you see that all these events are all in Northern China. and on the same latitude.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 24th, 2010, 08:30am

I have to say that Im deeply concerned about new reports of military insiders talking to Ufologists.

We have had a few recently that have turned out to be of very dubious origin. eg Serpo, Source A, colonel regarding Dulce underground base with aliens and others.

This seems to be increasing which is surprising considering that a number of respected Ufologists have been embarrassed by false claims of military insiders just recently.

I should point out that so called military insiders that come forward to talk about "What they know" but can't go public, is very problematic.

The most common line is the US military are in contact with ETs.

What if that is not true and what they are trying to hide is a trillion dollar, black budget, black operations, which is funding highly secretive air and space craft.

Now that sounds more likely than the unverifiable rubbish that these military insiders seem to be feeding respected Ufologists.

Now if you extend this disinformation to EU, Russian, Chinese and Iranian governments, it is one way of making the information out there very muddy and confusing. A perfect out come really.

If fact we have more multiple witness statements saying they have seen US jets try and chase away UFOs.

I simply feel that nothing can be trusted when coming from any military source that will not go public.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by cerebcat on Oct 26th, 2010, 9:54pm

[quote]on Oct 24th, 2010, 08:30am, GusB wrote:
I have to say that Im deeply concerned about new reports of military insiders talking to Ufologists.

We have had a few recently that have turned out to be of very dubious origin. eg Serpo, Source A, colonel regarding Dulce underground base with aliens and others.

This seems to be increasing which is surprising considering that a number of respected Ufologists have been embarrassed by false claims of military insiders just recently.

I should point out that so called military insiders that come forward to talk about "What they know" but can't go public, is very problematic.

The most common line is the US military are in contact with ETs.

What if that is not true and what they are trying to hide is a trillion dollar, black budget, black operations, which is funding highly secretive air and space craft.

Now that sounds more likely than the unverifiable rubbish that these military insiders seem to be feeding respected Ufologists.

Now if you extend this disinformation to EU, Russian, Chinese and Iranian governments, it is one way of making the information out there very muddy and confusing. A perfect out come really.

If fact we have more multiple witness statements saying they have seen US jets try and chase away UFOs.

I simply feel that nothing can be trusted when coming from any military source that will not go public.

G[/quote
]

I agree with a lot of what you wrote GUSb. I have a big problem believing any of this insider information. I don't even consider them to be whistleblowers. And some of the reasons we are given for them not going public: loss of job, loss of pensions, danger to them and their families etc. Isn't the internet public domain?

There are reputable investigative journalists to whom these insiders could tell their stories; and whose identities would be protected. But no journalist will touch this without some collaborating evidence. And none of these "insiders" have anything that could stand up to examination.

Why do they do it, these insiders? A little bit of money and notoriety. Speaking engagements, invitations to conferences, maybe a website and a book. They are opportunists, who want their few minutes of fame.

Some could, I suppose, be unwitting agents of disinformation. Fake documents and pictures could be easily left around for them to see.

No, I don't believe that Aliens are working with the U.S. government. However, I'm sure there are many advantges to having people and other governments believe that they are. There are also advantages to having the public believe that UFOs may actual be piloted by aliens.

They are attempting to weaponize space. Not necessarily because they is any immediate threat - but because there are oodles of money and careers to be made. And they will achieve it under the auspice of "National Security. You and I will have little say in it.

As for US jets chasing away UFOs - not even this can be trusted. How can we ever be sure that all this is not being staged for our benefit? The problem is that there is never any really good close up footage of these UFOs.

So, unless these "insiders" come forward with something concrete, I will have no interest in them.

Cere
Re: Political ET
Post by philliman on Oct 27th, 2010, 06:43am

I'd also like to add that certain ufologists/researchers do a pretty poor job and don't even feel the need to vet their alleged witnesses/whistleblowers. For example the Source A-hoax could have been stopped from the get go if Dr. Michael Salla and Robert Morningstar would have demanded proof and the military records of Source A aka Richard Theilmann. But they didn't even thought of that possibility. Seeing him acting in a uniform was enough for them. That's not how it should work IMO. And in my eyes those people can't be called researchers.
Re: Political ET
Post by cerebcat on Oct 27th, 2010, 10:16am

They're "patsys" and too full of themselves to realize it.

They have done more damage to UFology than they know. Because they don't adhere to scientific standards, they are left with some pretty weak theories that are laughable to most of the public.

News came out today that more nukes went off-line. And I don't mean leaks from military soruces. Doesn't anyone find this odd? Decades ago, this information would have been considered too sensitve to give to the news media. Why is it O.K. now.?

Cere
Re: Political ET
Post by CA519705950 on Oct 27th, 2010, 11:32am

on Oct 27th, 2010, 10:16am, cerebcat wrote:
They're "patsys" and too full of themselves to realize it.

They have done more damage to UFology than they know. Because they don't adhere to scientific standards, they are left with some pretty weak theories that are laughable to most of the public.

News came out today that more nukes went off-line. And I don't mean leaks from military soruces. Doesn't anyone find this odd? Decades ago, this information would have been considered too sensitve to give to the news media. Why is it O.K. now.?

Cere

Nukes went offline? What does that mean lol? Forgive my ignorance...
Re: Political ET
Post by DrDil on Oct 27th, 2010, 2:29pm

on Oct 27th, 2010, 11:32am, CA519705950 wrote:
Nukes went offline? What does that mean lol? Forgive my ignorance...

Hi Ca,

It's good to see you posting again!!

Quote:
On Saturday morning, according to people briefed on what happened, a squadron of ICBMs suddenly dropped down into what's known as "LF Down" status, meaning that the missileers in their bunkers could no longer communicate with the missiles themselves. LF Down status also means that various security protocols built into the missile delivery system, like intrusion alarms and warhead separation alarms, were offline. In LF Down status, the missiles are still technically launch-able, but they can only be controlled by an airborne command and control platform like the Boeing E-6 NAOC "Kneecap" aircraft, E-4B NAOC aircraft or perhaps the TACAMO fleet, which is primarily used to communicate with nuclear submarines. Had the country been placed on a higher state of nuclear alert, those platforms would be operating automatically because the frequencies used to transmit nuclear codes would be interfacing with separate systems, according to officials.
According to the official, engineers believe that a launch control center computer (LCC), responsible for a package of at least five missiles, usually ten of them, began to "ping" out of sequence, resulting in a surge of "noise" through the system. The LCCs interrogate each missile in sequence, so if they begin to send signals out when they're not supposed to, receivers on the missiles themselves will notice this and send out error codes.

Since LCCs ping out of sequence on occasion, missileers tried quick fixes. But as more and more missiles began to display error settings, they decided to take off-line all five LCCs that the malfunctioning center was connected to. That left 50 missiles in the dark. The missileers then restarted one of the LCCs, which began to normally interrogate the missile transceiver. Three other LCCs were successfully restarted. The suspect LCC remains off-line.

Source: TheAtlantic.com.

Hope that helps,


Cheers.

Re: Political ET
Post by CA519705950 on Oct 28th, 2010, 05:31am

on Oct 27th, 2010, 2:29pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Ca,

It's good to see you posting again!!

<snip>

Hope that helps,


Cheers.

Hey DrDil, good to be posting again smiley.
Yeah that helped a lot, thank-you. Very strange and very scary. I'm sure someone out there would have had the ability to take advantage of the situation had they known.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 1st, 2010, 10:34pm

http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/thane_burnett/2010/10/28/15866311.html

The above link is interesting as it leads me to think if it no longer matters if governments disclose or not.

That ET would see the UN and the General Assembly of Nation States as being primitive like the City States of ancient Greece as being primitive.

Either way it does not change the current circumstances as humanities nature would be to live in various community structures.

ETs interaction to our hierarchical Nation States will be fascinating to see play out.

Their is no solid historical evidence of any ET interaction with heads of state except the Russian Governor.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2010/05/russian-governor-tells-tale-of-alien-abduction-president-asked-to-investigate/comments/page/2/

We shall see.

G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by cerebcat on Nov 1st, 2010, 11:00pm

Quote:
The above link is interesting as it leads me to think if it no longer matters if governments disclose or not.


I tend to agree. However it's possible that military leaks are in fact being sanctioned.

Cere
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 2nd, 2010, 12:53am

on Nov 1st, 2010, 11:00pm, cerebcat wrote:
I tend to agree. However it's possible that military leaks are in fact being sanctioned.

Cere


I hope that all future UFO and ET related military leaks will be done through Wiki Leaks http://wikileaks.org/

G smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by cerebcat on Nov 2nd, 2010, 6:45pm

Yes, this is what I would like to see. But then some evidence would need to be provided and documents would need to be verified by a forensic expert.

Sounds simple..except hard evidence seems difficult to come by.

Cere


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 5th, 2010, 4:49pm

Going back to the Nukes that were taken off line.

One implication of this information is that since that happened we now know that ET has the technology to completely hack into the highest levels of government.

Think about that for a minute, ET can go into any of our systems without us ever knowing it.

ET is so advanced that we must still look like advanced monkeys throwing stones. Instead of stone's we have progressed to bullets and rockets. I think the Battle of LA being a good example of this thinking.

The most unfortunate aspect of this is that these examples of direct ET contact communicating to humanity have been so few and far between.

G


Re: Political ET
Post by cerebcat on Nov 5th, 2010, 11:16pm

GusB

We have to be careful here. The source of information is being leaked by military personnel and (most recently) the government via the media. We have their "say so" but do we have hard evidence?

It would not be a surprise to me however, for and advanced race to have this ability. You use the analogy of "monkeys"; I think "ants" is more apt.

Cere


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 6th, 2010, 03:33am

on Nov 5th, 2010, 11:16pm, cerebcat wrote:
GusB

We have to be careful here. The source of information is being leaked by military personnel and (most recently) the government via the media. We have their "say so" but do we have hard evidence?

It would not be a surprise to me however, for and advanced race to have this ability. You use the analogy of "monkeys"; I think "ants" is more apt.

Cere



LOL I was thinking ants as well.

G grin
Re: Political ET
Post by cerebcat on Nov 7th, 2010, 08:05am

Link to RU's investigation of the missile shutdown, as claimed by Salas and Hastings.

http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/

Cere
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Nov 8th, 2010, 12:34pm

I just had on the Science Channel,it was all about UFOs seen in 2008.Kokomo Indiana was just one.You know what we havent zeroed in on and we really really should.Those F-16s that gave chase. Just think on that a minute.Those planes dont take off themselves they have pilots in them,those pilots just dont climb aboard and take off,there ordered up and told in which direction to fly,and what to look for and how to proceed,Im telling you this is an area an obvious area thats been hiding in plain sight. Those F-16s not only are told what direction to head out in they know whats expected of them when they get a lock on.They dont fire do they,they chase the ufos away.Now,would you do that if it were not a nuts and bolts craft,no you wouldnt. Someone ought to latch on to this thought its the missing link or could be the missing link in ufology.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 9th, 2010, 05:13am

on Nov 7th, 2010, 08:05am, cerebcat wrote:
Link to RU's investigation of the missile shutdown, as claimed by Salas and Hastings.

http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/

Cere


Oh man what a pain rolleyes so Cere I just skimmed it are they saying the UFO at the Nuke site is bull?

@ carolnistri

Their has been talk of the Real Blue Book that the military would have had a small reference of different types of UFOs. If you think about it their really isn't that many different types and unless they know what ETs pilot what UFOs that information is useless.

I did mention in a previous post that their will be a percentage of all military air craft that get tailed by UFOs.

The problem is that the US and UK Government has not released any information on policy to give chase and cut of UFOs that enter there air space. It was mentioned that these types of policy are a hang up from the cold war but the Stephenville UFOs would prove that wrong. Other countries in Iran have openly talked about chasing UFOs.

Keep in mind if these UFOs do show up on military radar the knee jerk reaction will be to give chase. So who needs policy when you just need to cover up.

G smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by cerebcat on Nov 9th, 2010, 8:42pm

Quote:
Oh man what a pain rolleyes so Cere I just skimmed it are they saying the UFO at the Nuke site is bull?


It would seem so. I watched the video again of Salas's appearance on Larry King. He stated that these missiles are very reliable (I would guess he means that they don't shut down for no reason). And yet, just recently missiles went off line (sorry I don't know the correct terminology) and it was blamed on a hardware glitch. Now I guess it's possible that not all the missiles are run off the same system. It's also possible that the military publicized this latest event to neutralize the Salas and Hasting claims.

Quote:
Their has been talk of the Real Blue Book that the military would have had a small reference of different types of UFOs. If you think about it their really isn't that many different types and unless they know what ETs pilot what UFOs that information is useless.


Or if these UFOs are in fact being piloted by entities. If these vehicles show advanted technology, they could very well be piloted by machines and computer programs. Or by something that is, at this time, beyond our capacity to understand.

Cere
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 10th, 2010, 02:33am



Heres a better look at the most recent rocket from LA, as my 1st page talks a lot about these over Norway and China.

To me it looks like Russia China and the US are doing old cold war antics. Little boys with their toys.

G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 19th, 2010, 11:54pm



http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/easttexasufovideo.html

Does anyone know it that type of energy, shape and speed has something to do with quantum physics?

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 30th, 2010, 3:53pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/ukufospecial.html

The doco is a must see.

Gus
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 2nd, 2010, 6:25pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/weirdlife.html

A few years back some people mentioned that this might happen. They were obviously in no hurry to make it happen. It will be many pieces like this that will have scientist put together for the argument of the existence of ET.
At this rate it should take minimum 5 to 10 more years for full disclosure.
G

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 7th, 2010, 01:07am

Quote:
http://news.lalate.com/2010/12/03/wikileaks-has-ufos-documents-julian-assange/

LOS ANGELES (LALATE) – Does WikiLeaks have documents on UFOs or extraterrestrials? Julian Assange’s UFOs question came in a new Guardian interview that asked about the release of a quarter-million US diplomatic cables. The Guardian asked Julian Assange about his legal troubles, engineering issues, and plans for the future. But dropped in their was a notable question and shocking answer.

“Have there ever been documents forwarded to you which deal with the topic of UFOs or extraterrestrials?” Assange’s answer was “yes”. Moreover, he suggests that the documents could soon get released. “It is worth noting that in yet-to-be-published parts of the cablegate archive there are indeed references to UFOs.”

How many documents are there? WikiLeaks according to Assange receives many more correspondences than those that satisfy WikiLeaks’ “publishing rules”. But the cablegate archives about the UFOs reportedly meet those standards and will be released.

Eight feared UFOs have been spotted hovering over Chinese airports since June, says news reports. The confusion is causing British news to suggest that the aircrafts are not UFOs but secret new Chinese military planes, not disclosed to Chinese airport officials.

Alleged UFO Chinese Airport Pictures Set 1
UFO Chinese Airport Photo 1
UFO Chinese Airport Photo 2
UFO Chinese Airport Photo 3

In July, news reports claimed a UFO sighting over Hangzhou Xiaoshan International Airport; the airport was shut down. On June 30, Xinjiang was reportedly shut down following a similar sighting. In summer 2010, Sichuan province suffered similar shutdowns blamed on illuminated items. On September 11, the airport at Baotou, Inner Mongolia, was shut down upon another alleged spotting; three flights to Baotou from Shanghai and Beijing were diverted during the episode.

The Chinese military and the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) have repeatedly suggested lack of communication between the two organizations. This fall, the CAAC was left to speculate what was spotted above its own airports that prompted their closures.

Alleged UFO Chinese Airport Pictures Set 2
UFO Chinese Airport Photo 4
UFO Chinese Airport Photo 5
UFO Chinese Airport Photo 6

Chinese news claimed in July that the CAAC couldn’t release the information because “there was a military connection.” Eighteen flights were delayed or rerouted on July 7 at Hangzhou Xiaoshan International Airport at roughly 9 pm local time, reported CNN. That prompted Wang Jian, head of air traffic control with Zhejiang branch of the Civil Aviation Administration of China, to have no explanation for the Hangzhou Xiaoshan International Airport incident. “No conclusion has yet been drawn”.



Exactly what I was thinking but the images I got were very different to what other people got see pages 1 and 2.

Here is the original interview with the Guardian News Paper

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/dec/03/julian-assange-wikileaks

It should be pointed out that he only said UFOs not ETs and their seems to be a fair bit of media hype on this small information that Julian has given us.

It could be as insignificant as Hillary Clinton saying to China "Did you guys see that?" and that would be it.

Just don't get your hopes up.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 10th, 2010, 11:59pm

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/wikileaks-threatens-publish-alien-and-ufos-files

Again this is incorrect Julian said nothing about aliens just UFOs.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 11th, 2010, 4:35pm

Hi Guys

Just found this interesting. Again we have the problem of the government insider releasing information before events take place.

No matter what government insider's say they should be treated with absolute caution. Their is a long history of government insider's talking to the UFO community and in the long run making things worse not better.

Also in the mix is a steady flow of media beat ups on the end of the world, 2012, apocalypse. Keep in mind we had the same thing happen Y2K bug and the 1999 to 2000 change of millennium and nothing happened.

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-honolulu/ufos-predicted-over-moscow-and-london-january-2011

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/more-predicted-ufo-sightings-over-new-york-confirm-et-will-intervene-ecology?sms_ss=facebook&cid=parsely#parsely

Peace

G smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 18th, 2010, 4:19pm

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2010/12/obama-science-integrity/1

It has been noted that NASA is a front for the Black Space Programs. If that is the case then hopefully this new policy might help transparency.

Only time will tell.

G tongue

PS another good read http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-honolulu/assange-arrest-impacts-on-impending-release-of-classified-ufo-cables
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 20th, 2010, 03:59am

Sent an email to Nasa saying that Wikileaks is about to release information on UFO's.

If this is the case and is done before Nasa does then Nasa will lose all credibility in the scientific community.

This will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

G lipsrsealed grin
Re: Political ET
Post by Erno on Dec 24th, 2010, 5:23pm

on Nov 30th, 2010, 3:53pm, GusB wrote:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/ukufospecial.html

The doco is a must see.

Gus


I dunno, the video looks a bit fishy to me.
The witnesses seem a bit unemotional.


Erno


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 25th, 2010, 11:57pm

on Dec 24th, 2010, 5:23pm, Erno wrote:
I dunno, the video looks a bit fishy to me.
The witnesses seem a bit unemotional.


Erno



If your speaking about the 2nd witness in the doco he passed the lie detector test. He also had a hair sample from the humanoid which he got tested that came real back with weird results.

The 1st witness was very expressive and he did not pass the lie detector.

So go figure.

G :/
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 28th, 2010, 12:51am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/argentinanowstudying.html

This is great news and look forward to most nations having something similar.

As it currently looks like different ETs will contact different nation states to make contact IMO.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 29th, 2010, 4:52pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/roverimage.html



Any ideas if this is fake guys?

G
Re: Political ET
Post by Kattradamus on Dec 29th, 2010, 5:46pm

I would not call it fake. Just the usual specualtion with things people do not understand or have all the available information on.
I'd venture a guess it's been beaten to death elsewhere and the results won't sway those that want to believe. It's getting old like certain other saga's. grin
Re: Political ET
Post by masker33 on Dec 29th, 2010, 9:47pm

HA, HA, HA, HA, HA.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 29th, 2010, 11:44pm

on Dec 29th, 2010, 5:46pm, Katterfelto wrote:
I would not call it fake. Just the usual specualtion with things people do not understand or have all the available information on.
I'd venture a guess it's been beaten to death elsewhere and the results won't sway those that want to believe. It's getting old like certain other saga's. grin


Yup yup and yup. cheesy

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/elista.html

WTF you see the last image on the you tube vid.

WOW

G
Re: Political ET
Post by philliman on Dec 30th, 2010, 12:33pm

on Dec 29th, 2010, 4:52pm, GusB wrote:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/roverimage.html



Any ideas if this is fake guys?

G

It's just a misidentification and part of the rover itself.

User Image
(source: ovnis-usa.com)

The rover's camera is located right below the solar panel:
http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/109/mars_spirit.jpg

Those black thingies obviously do belong to that panel. If you look closely you can recognize them here:
http://www.newfrontiernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Spirit-Rover.jpg
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 31st, 2010, 01:24am

on Dec 30th, 2010, 12:33pm, philliman wrote:
It's just a misidentification and part of the rover itself.

User Image
(source: ovnis-usa.com)

The rover's camera is located right below the solar panel:
http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/109/mars_spirit.jpg

Those black thingies obviously do belong to that panel. If you look closely you can recognize them here:
http://www.newfrontiernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Spirit-Rover.jpg


Nice work man thanks heaps

Re: Political ET
Post by philliman on Dec 31st, 2010, 11:33am

Thank you. But I don't like to take credit for that since it was somebody else's find.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 31st, 2010, 4:17pm

I thought the below article and its references explained the reasons why Wikileaks has not yet released the UFO files. The wrath of the US Government on Julian reminds me of what Gary Mckinnon is also going through.

G

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2010/12/2010122971637433801.html

When your Swiss banker throws you overboard, you know you've made some very powerful enemies.

Long famed for hiding money for everyone from Nazis and drug lords to spies and dictators, the Swiss government's banking arm has decided that WikiLeaks and Julian Assange are just too hot even for it to handle.

Click link to read more


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 2nd, 2011, 9:18pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/argentinathreat.html

Now Argentina is taking a very different position to that of the UK which does not see UFOs as a threat.

Due to numerous reports of abductions around the world and the ease that UFOs entering sovereign nation states I think on a small scale UFOs are a threat.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 2nd, 2011, 9:29pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/ancients/ancientufosseenonearth.html

I really enjoy looking at the image of the above link as it goes to show what could happen in the future.

It would be an impressive sight if done today.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 3rd, 2011, 10:33pm

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/rumor-obama-to-announce-ufo-visits-and-us-contact-with-ets-2011

Well well well another insider undecided. I say rubbish to the whole thing.

What matters now is that the UFO community have a "See then believe it" frame of mind, rather than get bogged down with these stories.

Lets rip this story to bits.

1 Obama might give a speech in the next month on UFOs
2 Obama will hint at the UFO issue as being real
3 Disclosure might increase over the next year or so if not longer

I get the feeling I have seen this before, how about you.

When I see it then I will believe it.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by Luvey on Jan 3rd, 2011, 11:53pm

on Jan 3rd, 2011, 10:33pm, GusB wrote:
http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/rumor-obama-to-announce-ufo-visits-and-us-contact-with-ets-2011

Well well well another insider undecided. I say rubbish to the whole thing.

What matters now is that the UFO community have a "See then believe it" frame of mind, rather than get bogged down with these stories.

Lets rip this story to bits.

1 Obama might give a speech in the next month on UFOs
2 Obama will hint at the UFO issue as being real
3 Disclosure might increase over the next year or so if not longer

I get the feeling I have seen this before, how about you.

When I see it then I will believe it.

G tongue


First time I saw it was on AllNewsWeb... and we all know that its a hoax site.... but I have also seen it posted many times on Twitter.... I will believe it when it happens... and not before.

Luvey
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 8th, 2011, 12:41am



Should be good to see more of these but in day light.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 8th, 2011, 3:45pm

http://news.exopoliticsinstitute.org/index.php/archives/804


Wikileaks cable stating that UFOs are looked into by government.

The speculation on this web site would be better than government advisors on the subject.

Its a bit like looking at a glass half full or empty.

Nothing new has been said or you can see it as the government admitting that UFO exist.

It comes down to how the media deal with this new information and possible future UFO related Wikileaks.

G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by DrDil on Jan 8th, 2011, 5:29pm

on Jan 8th, 2011, 3:45pm, GusB wrote:
http://news.exopoliticsinstitute.org/index.php/archives/804


Wikileaks cable stating that UFOs are looked into by government.

The speculation on this web site would be better than government advisors on the subject.

Its a bit like looking at a glass half full or empty.

Nothing new has been said or you can see it as the government admitting that UFO exist.

It comes down to how the media deal with this new information and possible future UFO related Wikileaks.

G undecided

Hi Gus,

I thought it was an anti-climax (as expected undecided) and I also thought the article was titled inappropriately, i.e. “Wikileaks cable confirms extensive Soviet UFO investigations.”

I wrote the following a few hours ago:

User Image


Cheers. smiley

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 19th, 2011, 03:58am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/unprepare.html

I have to say Im a little worried about these fly by night UFologists who say we could be at war with ET in very little time if we don't prepare.

These people continue to forget that all ET has to do is pick up any number of large asteroids and throw them at us. This type of speculation seriously lacks foresight and intelligence.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by cerebcat on Jan 19th, 2011, 08:41am


Quote:
I have to say Im a little worried about these fly by night UFologists who say we could be at war with ET in very little time if we don't prepare.

These people continue to forget that all ET has to do is pick up any number of large asteroids and throw them at us. This type of speculation seriously lacks foresight and intelligence.


No doubt.There is definetely some hubris here and absolute sillyness. How coud we prepare to fight a civilization that may be 1000 of years ahead of us?

Sounds more to me like some of these "ufologists" are in bed with the M.I.C. and are looking for a false flag to justify more spending on defense systems.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 24th, 2011, 9:34pm

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/chinese-national-tv-reports-president-obama-disclose-extraterrestrial-contact

This is rubbish until it happens.

Dont hold your breath.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 26th, 2011, 12:16am

This Vid is a must see, to date could be our best ever vid.

When I first looked at it I thought it could be an advanced US space craft basically the same shape as a B2 Bomber until the close up at the end of the vid.

Enjoy smiley


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 26th, 2011, 03:54am

I find this piece to be as groundbreaking as Gary McKinnon hacking the Pentagon and finding out about TR-3, Aurora spacecraft and Hillary Clinton at the Rockefellers holding a book on the discussion of 1st contact with ETs.

This footage from Turkey shows the shape and colors of the lights on the craft are very recognizable and remind me of the Phoenix Lights. In fact this helps us categorizes the UFOs for the first time as what is theirs and what is ours.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 26th, 2011, 07:12am

ChinaMissionUN@gmail.com, france@franceonu.org, rusun@un.int, uk@un.int, usa@un.int, ecu@un.org, president@whitehouse.gov, secretary@state.gov

Security Council Discussion of Attached Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A9ijyYf1rg

Being an expert in the field it is in extreme frustration that no leader has come forward to discuss this with the general public.

Currently most governments respond in a hostile manner by sending in military jets.

These events are occurring more frequently, repetitively and as you can see from the footage we are getting better at recording these events and the occupants within these crafts.

I request that the Security Council discuss this footage and work out a way to communicate with these crafts with a lot less hostility.

It is vital for the progression of humanity that a leader of Earth acknowledges these events to the general public.

Gtongue

Feel free to send one your self grin
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 27th, 2011, 10:33pm

Published: January 25, 2011

Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.

Business leaders told flying saucers are real & extraterrestrials exist.

At five thousand dollars a ticket, some business leaders got more than they bargained for when they attended the first day of the Global Competitiveness Forum (GCF) being held in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

They were told flying saucers are real, and they better start thinking about the business implications of extraterrestrial life and technologies.

Convened each year by the Saudi Arabian General Investment Authority, the GCF brings together business and political leaders to discuss ways of promoting business competitiveness.

For the first time at its annual conference, the GCF held a panel discussing UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Titled “Learning from Outer Space” the panel comprised five speakers who all endorsed the view that extraterrestrial life is real, and has many implications for the world as we know it.

The panel was held on January 23, and was a “main plenary” session meaning all GCF participants were able to attend and hear what the experts had to say about UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Up to 1000 participants included business and political elites such as former British and Canadian Prime Ministers, Tony Blair and Jean Chretien; Jim Albaugh, President and CEO of Boeing; Andy Bird, chairman of Walt Disney International; Jared Cohen, Director of Google ideas, and many others.

The advice they got was that the issue of extraterrestrial life is real, and they better start paying attention to the business implications. Here’s how the GCF summarized the panel presentations on its website:

Learning from Outer Space – Panel

The unconventional and highly relevant topic of extraterrestrial life forms was addressed by yesterday’s panel discussion “Contact: Learning from Outer Space”. Experts Zoaghloul El-Naggar, Stanton Friedman, Michio Kaku, Nick Pope and Jacques Vallee made compelling cases for the existence of living beings elsewhere in the galaxy, drawing upon empirical evidence, religious theology and logical reasoning.

Mr. Friedman opened his remarks with a bold statement, “Flying saucers are real!” and this summed up the perspective of the panel members. Mr. Pope explored the potential business implications of outer space, such as the profitability of alien branding or sponsorship.

While El-Naggar was also convinced of their existence, he raised the interesting point that it may not be ethical to spend resources trying to contact alien societies when we still face war and poverty in our own society.

Mr. Vallee encouraged more academics to analyze the evidence. However, on behalf of his successful Venture Capital fund, he said, “We are not ready to invest in this type of research, but we think that somebody should.”

The 2011 GCF conference panel on Outer Space has opened the door for world business leaders to seriously consider the implications of evidence concerning UFOs and extraterrestrial life.

Business leaders are poised to do what political leaders have so far failed to do – proactively deal with compelling evidence that we are being visited by galactic civilizations who have advanced technologies to share with humanity.

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I find this odd as there is currently no open trade happening with ETs.

G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 31st, 2011, 04:57am



Hi Guys

If this is not a hoax then this happening over the Temple Mount is concerning.

The implications of this event is that ETs are trying to influence the debate of ET contact with religions.

The multitude of possible directions this debate could go in is countless, as I have had these discussions in the past.

I feel that the Stephenville UFOs was a fly by the Bush Ranch at the peak of his presidency. I felt that ET saying "we are watching you".

With this event ET is pointing at the problems with this region.

Only time will tell where this will go.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by Darksky on Jan 31st, 2011, 07:48am

Hi Gus,

The problem i have with these so called ''ground breaking ufo'' videos is that they are so inconsistent.
Most of the crafts we are shown are significantly different from each other and behave in such different manners that I find it hard to believe they are all real.

Furthermore,in most cases,there is only 1,at most 2,people who claim to have seen such a thing or even filmed it.In this day and age where most people have cell phones with camera's on it you'd think people would actually use them if they saw such a thing.Yet all we get from this event above the dome of the rock are 2 somewhat hazy videos.If something really was hovering above the dome of the rock you'd think a lot more people would have seen it.

Lastly,and this is only my personal belief,if E.T. really is studying us,I doubt they would do it at plain sight.
Think about it,they can come from who knows where in the galaxy,travelling at speeds we can't even begin to imagine,how difficult would it be for them to have some sort of cloaking system that renders them completely invicible to us?

Don't get me wrong,I do believe in extraterrestrial life and I do firmly believe they visit us,I just believe we,the average Joe,will never know.The governments may not even know anything about them,though I can't say for certain obviously.

However,there are interesting cases where mass sightings have actually been documented fairly well.
The Phoenix lights in Arizona spring to mind,mass coverage by the media,statements of local politicians etc etc.It is these cases that we should take more seriously in my opinion,not some hazy youtube video.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this matter.

D
Re: Political ET
Post by Darksky on Jan 31st, 2011, 11:55am

Btw,i forgot to mention another case I personally find to have at least some credibility.

http://ufoevidence.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=FACTS&action=display&num=1057372945

The Bob White Object,no one has been able to debunk this yet,at least to my knowledge.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 31st, 2011, 8:21pm

on Jan 31st, 2011, 07:48am, Darksky wrote:
Hi Gus,

The problem i have with these so called ''ground breaking ufo'' videos is that they are so inconsistent.
Most of the crafts we are shown are significantly different from each other and behave in such different manners that I find it hard to believe they are all real.

Furthermore,in most cases,there is only 1,at most 2,people who claim to have seen such a thing or even filmed it.In this day and age where most people have cell phones with camera's on it you'd think people would actually use them if they saw such a thing.Yet all we get from this event above the dome of the rock are 2 somewhat hazy videos.If something really was hovering above the dome of the rock you'd think a lot more people would have seen it.

Lastly,and this is only my personal belief,if E.T. really is studying us,I doubt they would do it at plain sight.
Think about it,they can come from who knows where in the galaxy,travelling at speeds we can't even begin to imagine,how difficult would it be for them to have some sort of cloaking system that renders them completely invicible to us?

Don't get me wrong,I do believe in extraterrestrial life and I do firmly believe they visit us,I just believe we,the average Joe,will never know.The governments may not even know anything about them,though I can't say for certain obviously.

However,there are interesting cases where mass sightings have actually been documented fairly well.
The Phoenix lights in Arizona spring to mind,mass coverage by the media,statements of local politicians etc etc.It is these cases that we should take more seriously in my opinion,not some hazy youtube video.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this matter.

D


Hi Darksky

I simply agree with all you have said the way I see it IMO is it’s like trying to join all the dots.

Unfortunately that will sometimes include an unknown hoax.

A lot of what I’m trying to do is join the dots and screen out the dubious or proved hoaxes where I can.

I agree that their currently few good video reports that are consistent with other reports but every now and then their’s a little gold nugget that opens it up.

I will give you a few UFO subjects which I think are real.

*Solar Warden US based Black Budget Space program which have Triangle shaped space craft from very small to huge/massive.

*Joint Secret Russian and Chinese space program to challenge the US see pages 1 and 2 of this Thread.

*ET/Grey Abductions flying Orb, Disk and Cylinder shaped space craft.

*The Battle of LA was a message from ET saying your wars are pathetic.

*Zimbabwe UFO was another message saying you are destroying the Earth stop it.

Not much considering how much time I spend on it but it’s a lot more than most people.

G

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 31st, 2011, 8:25pm

on Jan 31st, 2011, 11:55am, Darksky wrote:
Btw,i forgot to mention another case I personally find to have at least some credibility.

http://ufoevidence.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=FACTS&action=display&num=1057372945

The Bob White Object,no one has been able to debunk this yet,at least to my knowledge.


I agree very interesting but the media have done nothing about this because of governments refusing to recognise this reality.

That is a global political process of Disclosure which will one day be taken seriously by governments, just not now.

G

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Feb 3rd, 2011, 03:02am

on Jan 31st, 2011, 04:57am, GusB wrote:


Hi Guys

If this is not a hoax then this happening over the Temple Mount is concerning.

The implications of this event is that ETs are trying to influence the debate of ET contact with religions.

The multitude of possible directions this debate could go in is countless, as I have had these discussions in the past.

I feel that the Stephenville UFOs was a fly by the Bush Ranch at the peak of his presidency. I felt that ET saying "we are watching you".

With this event ET is pointing at the problems with this region.

Only time will tell where this will go.

G tongue


For future references I feel that these vids are fakes.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Feb 4th, 2011, 3:59pm

High Excitement as “Exopolitics” Group Claims Undeniable Evidence of UFO http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/undeniableproof.html

Stephen Bassett is something special, I remember when he most recently took part in the so-called X-Conference 2009 on April 19, 2009, in Gaithersburg, MD, and repeated essentially what he stated last August.

The conference was organized by himself who’s also a congressional candidate, and was all about pressuring the government to reveal what it knows.

The following day, he also encouraged the Obama administration to disclose what the U. S. government knows about extraterrestrial contacts with the human race.

Group spokesman, Stephen Bassett, is now shortly expected to release undeniable evidence of “the worldwide extraterrestrial presence,” “millions of UFO contactees on the planet” and “alien-human hybrid babies” in coming appearance in Los Angeles.

It’s reported that Stephen Bassett, the spokesman for the Exopolitics UFO group, will present undeniable evidence” to prove that extraterrestrials are contacting millions of people on Earth, and even abducting and impregnating women with “alien-human hybrid babies” – and that our government knows about it.

The ground breaking proof will be the highlight of Bassett’s second presentation on the topic at the aptly named Flying Saucers Cafe in Santa Monica, Friday, February 4.

Stephen Bassett is Executive Director of X-PPAC, the Extraterrestrial Phenomenon Political Action Committee, and the only registered lobbyist with the U.S. Congress on behalf of the Extraterrestrial community.

Michael Horn, the American Media representative for Swiss UFO contacted, Billy Meier, will be on hand to help facilitate and examine the evidence. “I’m very much looking forward to seeing what Stephen and his group will present, since I have been openly critical of their so far unsubstantiated claims for years. It may sound funny for me to say it but I’m a ‘UFO skeptic’ about such things as scores of so-called ‘aliens’ just walking around, shaking hands with everyone and getting overly friendly with our female population.

“Stephen was unable to present any actual, verifiable evidence to support his claims at the first presentation so this should be the moment that everyone’s been waiting for.

I think that Ryan Morris, the owner of the cafe, also wants him to have a second chance to put the evidence on the table and answer the tough questions he couldn’t last time.

“Since he’s already privately acknowledged that the Billy Meier UFO contact case is authentic, I expect Stephen to reveal proof comparable to Meier’s voluminous, scientifically authenticated evidence.

And maybe he’ll also explain why he’s never openly acknowledged, let alone investigated and publicized the Meier case, the only one I do know to be an authentic, still ongoing UFO contact case.

“The exopolitics group has been at the center of some controversies before, so I’m sure that Stephen will welcome a vigorous, long overdue debate between us.

I guess if things get dicey on Friday night a convenient sighting or two – of the secret military craft UFOs that masquerade as ‘alien’ UFOs – could conveniently occur,” said Horn. Well I do as you all know by now NOT agree with the authenticity in the Billy Meir case. But besides this it could be really interesting.

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What I find interesting about this is that Mr Bassett may have some papers from the government stating the above but will the media look at it. Especially after the UFO community has had a very hard look at it.

We shall see.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by DrDil on Feb 4th, 2011, 6:25pm

on Feb 4th, 2011, 3:59pm, GusB wrote:
High Excitement as “Exopolitics” Group Claims Undeniable Evidence of UFO http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/undeniableproof.html

<snip>


What I find interesting about this is that Mr Bassett may have some papers from the government stating the above but will the media look at it. Especially after the UFO community has had a very hard look at it.

We shall see.

G

Hi Gus,

While I appreciate that’s what is being reported it’s no more than the usual spin that both Horn & the Exo’s use, however this time it’s Horn constructing a straw-man so he can appear to knock it down when Bassett doesn’t deliver.

The facts seem to suggest that Bassett has never stated that the information would be in his talk and it’s all Horn’s doing and is no more that the latest move in a game they’ve being playing for a fortnight or so now.

I think Horn is a little better at it though as he’s played it several times before….. User Image


Cheers. grin

Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Feb 4th, 2011, 8:14pm

on Jan 31st, 2011, 07:48am, Darksky wrote:
Hi Gus,

The problem i have with these so called ''ground breaking ufo'' videos is that they are so inconsistent.
Most of the crafts we are shown are significantly different from each other and behave in such different manners that I find it hard to believe they are all real.

Furthermore,in most cases,there is only 1,at most 2,people who claim to have seen such a thing or even filmed it.In this day and age where most people have cell phones with camera's on it you'd think people would actually use them if they saw such a thing.Yet all we get from this event above the dome of the rock are 2 somewhat hazy videos.If something really was hovering above the dome of the rock you'd think a lot more people would have seen it.

Lastly,and this is only my personal belief,if E.T. really is studying us,I doubt they would do it at plain sight.
Think about it,they can come from who knows where in the galaxy,travelling at speeds we can't even begin to imagine,how difficult would it be for them to have some sort of cloaking system that renders them completely invicible to us?

Don't get me wrong,I do believe in extraterrestrial life and I do firmly believe they visit us,I just believe we,the average Joe,will never know.The governments may not even know anything about them,though I can't say for certain obviously.

However,there are interesting cases where mass sightings have actually been documented fairly well.
The Phoenix lights in Arizona spring to mind,mass coverage by the media,statements of local politicians etc etc.It is these cases that we should take more seriously in my opinion,not some hazy youtube video.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this matter.

D


Like I said earlier Darksky, you're perceptive. Good job on breaking through the chaff to get at the potential issue here. And the probable facts are pretty obvious. I have a hunch you've spotted them.

By the way, that's one very valid point about cell phone cameras. I think about that every time I see one of these pictures or videos that's just a little too far out of focus to really see anything. I just have this thing about people insulting my intelligence. Know where I'm coming from?

Take care
Tim
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Feb 4th, 2011, 8:22pm

on Feb 4th, 2011, 6:25pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Gus,

While I appreciate that’s what is being reported it’s no more than the usual spin that both Horn & the Exo’s use, however this time it’s Horn constructing a straw-man so he can appear to knock it down when Bassett doesn’t deliver.

The facts seem to suggest that Bassett has never stated that the information would be in his talk and it’s all Horn’s doing and is no more that the latest move in a game they’ve being playing for a fortnight or so now.

I think Horn is a little better at it though as he’s played it several times before….. User Image


Cheers. grin


I have to say I cant quite work out whats going on, even Mufon seem to be imploding including Exopolitics and the Disclosure Project. Nor do I really care about this happening as I believe that if these people and organisations cant deal in a scientific and civil manner then they are digging their own graves of credibility.

If disclosure happened tomorrow Governments will want to know who are the experts that they can talk to and trust to behave in professional manner. The governments will look through all past discussions and assess that.

Currently all of the above are not doing that they are embarrassing them selves and the UFO community.

It might be a little slower here than in other forums but I think the debates here are better considered and thought out (With a little less of the mad ramblings).

G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Feb 4th, 2011, 8:28pm

on Feb 4th, 2011, 8:14pm, icepick wrote:
Like I said earlier Darksky, you're perceptive. Good job on breaking through the chaff to get at the potential issue here. And the probable facts are pretty obvious. I have a hunch you've spotted them.

By the way, that's one very valid point about cell phone cameras. I think about that every time I see one of these pictures or videos that's just a little too far out of focus to really see anything. I just have this thing about people insulting my intelligence. Know where I'm coming from?

Take care
Tim


I find the images of what looks like birds or bugs flying past the most frustrating. Then roll my eyes when the photographer said they didn't notice anything at the time of shooting the images.

AAAARRRHHH

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Feb 6th, 2011, 04:56am

Just saw a TV program about Ewan McGregor taking a look at the key moments of the Battle of Britain Doco.

Ewan was checking out the main radar station for all of the UK and at that very moment an aircraft entered UK air space without doing proper procedures.

The reaction was amazing to see as they scrabbled jets to intercept this aircraft.

UK MoD has stated that it does not see UFOs as a threat to the security of Britain. I have always thought that statement was rubbish but that little snippet just said it all.

I think it deeply embarrasses the UK and other Governments that these UFO’s leave our aircraft for dead and theirs nothing they can do about it.

G

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Feb 11th, 2011, 8:00pm

Lol looks like ET read my above post and thought they would give the US a hard time. I wish they would do this stuff over New York, London or other major cities.

Luv it

G cheesy


http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/texassightingsfeb2011.html

All Texas Reports from 02-10-11

Report #1

Upon arriving at home at approximately 1900 hours. I observed to the east of the city of Deleon, towards the city of Dublin what appeared to be a single, running light of an aircraft.

But upon further observation, I observed two more lights flashing in unison in a triangle pattern. The object was being followed by two aircraft which I perceived to be large, jet-powered craft.

While observing the triangle craft, I came to the conclusion it was massive in size compared to the two aircraft that were following.

The triangle moved from north to south at a rapid pace, the two "chase" aircraft broke off and headed west toward Abilene. The triangle continued south, and after about five minutes on this course, the three corner running lights lit up red.

The closest thing I can compare this to is afterburners or flames. The object was soon out of view, and I could no longer see it. After the craft was out of view, a third jet-powered aircraft approached from the west from the Abilene area, and was on course to intercept the triangle in the last place I saw it.

During the time I observed the craft, the hair on the back of my neck stood up, and I could hear the neighborhood dogs barking, and making more of a fuss than usual.

Report #2

I was getting in my vehicle and noticed a bright glowing object in the sky southwest over Dublin. I looked at the sphere and it disappeared, then a second one appeared, just left of the where the first one disappeared.

It glowed for about 5 to 10 seconds then it disappeared as well.

After it disappeared then I noticed 5 or 6 of what I think are military jets right in the same area all in a very small area just where the spheres were.

Within 30 seconds or so the jets (I can tell by their flashing lights) started dispersing in all different directions.

Then they all generally moved to the west for 30 to 60 seconds, then they all turned around and headed back east, all 5 seemed to group up again in a smaller area and all were traveling east.

I watched another minute or two and never saw anything else except the jets, so I went on.

Report #3

I was passenger in auto driving between Mills and Brown counties and glanced up to see two bright objects moving at the same speed across the sky.

At first glance I thought of UFOs since they were climbing together at about a 20-degree angle; then both just disappeared.

I was mystified at seeing such objects; however a few miles further, I again caught sight of seven objects; ascending at about a 30-degree angle; and they too disappeared within a matter of seconds.

Report #4

I went for a drive around Lake Leon tonight. Truthfully, I just had a hunch that I would see something tonight, and I did. I was making a loop around the lake going south on Ranch Rd 2461 (I was at the southeast corner of the lake).

I was making the bend right before the road meets up with Ranch Rd 2214. While taking that bend I saw the orange lights.

They were in the southern sky, were quite low in altitude and quite close. There was a string of 4 or 5 orange lights in a row with two "stray" orange lights above and out to the sides of the main row.

The lights came on slowly, burned brightly, then dimmed out. The lights were in the same formation and behaved in exactly the same way as the lights I reported over Eastland Cemetery in November of 2008.

After the lights had disappeared I noticed a large swarm of military jets in the area. Their white strobes covered the sky, and they seemed to sweep the area farther south after the sighting towards De Leon, and eventually seemed to split up into pairs and sweep north.

Immediately after the sighting, I stopped the car at the intersection of 2461 and 2214 and texted some friends who had seen the same type of UFO with me 11 months earlier over the nearby town of Cisco.

One of my friends texted me back and said he was on his way to the nearby town of Ranger (northeast of where I was). I told him to keep his eyes peeled.

A few minutes later at 7:50 PM, he texted me and said he just saw two UFOs. A few minutes later at 7:52, he texted me again and said he saw the UFO again.

I texted him and told him that what I had seen was a row of orange lights like the ones we saw over Cisco last year, and asked if he was seeing the same thing. He texted me back and said "Yes," he was seeing the rows of orange lights like we had seen together over Cisco.

Later at 8:27 PM, he texted me stating he was seeing jets everywhere. I have seen these same orange lights in Eastland county for several years. I'm curious about them ,but can never deduce anything about them except that they are arbitrary lights in the sky.

The lights always appear disembodied - no visible craft they appeared attached to, but seeing the lights in the similar rows of 4 or 5 with a few extra above makes me wonder if they aren't actually attached to a fixed-shaped craft that happens to be "cloaked" in some way.

The lights seem to hover or creep along at a snail's pace and are totally silent. Military jets always accompany the sightings.

One more thing. I also have noticed that the sightings tend to occur when the moon is in its quarter phase (tonight is first quarter - this is what gave me my "hunch" that I would see something).

Sorry, no footage. Again, event happens within a matter of seconds with no time to grab a camera.

Report #5

I was sitting in passenger side of auto stopped at red light. I looked up through front windshield and saw one oblong trail of orange light; which broke into 5 - 7 individual star-like objects.

I was puzzled at the site of orange lights in sky. The objects disappeared one by one.

This was the second incidence of seeing foreign objects in the sky within a 30 minute time-frame. Two people in another car, pulled up beside my auto as I arrived at Early,TX, motioned for me to roll down the window and asked "Did You See The Lights In The Sky BACK THERE?"

I answered "YES," and the woman passenger said "OK, GREAT, Now I know we aren't going crazy"!

Report #6

I was on my way home from work, traveling on highway 377 from Stephenville to Dublin. I saw out of the corner of my eye some lights... I thought it was the cell phone tower, then realized that the tower was not there, it was on the opposite side of the highway about 1/2 mile or so back towards Stephenville.

I looked and saw 2 rows of lights, there were a total of 6 lights. These looked to be from the way I had seen it about the size of Volkswagen lights.

They seemed to be rotating around something, whatever they were on was ENORMOUS!

As I reached for my cell phone to call my husband, by this time I had slowed down to about 30 mph on the highway. I also noticed that the car beside me had slowed down as well.

I called my husband and told him to go outside. Then it was like the lights shut off, they did not fade or anything, not even get smaller, as if flying away. They just turned off!

Then it was as if they separated and there were more, my husband stayed on the phone with me until I pulled into the driveway. We stood in our front yard and watched.

There were random lights flying in all kinds of directions. One of them had a green light. I called my dad, who was in the Marines for the majority of my life.

I know that these were not F-18s flying in any sort of formation, for I grew up on a military base until I was 16. I am of sound mind, my father came to my house (he lives a couple of blocks from my house) he watched some of it with us.

Then the lights which seemed to have separated and had gotten smaller, got closer and took off.

Not much later we saw jets take off after them! It was the most amazing, and scary thing I have ever seen ever in my life!

WOW... we tried to record w/ our camcorder. I believe all we caught was one of the lights in the sky and the sound of the jets taking off after what we saw.

Read Report 7 click above link.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Feb 24th, 2011, 9:29pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/filmbattleofla.html

I look forward to see if this movie changes discussions about UFOs in the community.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 8th, 2011, 8:47pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/8357165/UFO-files-RAF-tornado-crew-spotted-UFO-over-North-Sea.html

Published: Mar 2011

An RAF Tornado crew was so stunned when a UFO appeared in front of them they failed to lock radar on to it.

Without warning the UFO - as big as a C130 Hercules plane - appeared and they had 'never seen anything like it'

The crew were returning from a ''low level'' mission in the UK to RAF Laarbruch in Germany when they were flying through Dutch airspace over the North Sea.

Without warning the UFO - as big as a C130 Hercules plane - appeared and they had ''never seen anything like it.''

In written answers about the incident the pilot said: ''I did not lock the UFO on radar. My navigator and I were so surprised we did not think to do so.

''Indeed, for the majority of the sighting, the UFO was out to one side of my aircraft which would have required me to manoeuvre the aircraft to place within the radar field of view.

''Of more interest, despite repeated radio calls to Dutch Military Radar, the controller insisted that he could not see the UFO.

''After landing, our Dutch exchange officer, on my squadron, called Dutch Military to discuss the event.

''The controller insisted that no other radar contact was made at the time in the vicinity.''

The spooked pilot said the UFO looked nothing like any plane he knew was in any service.

Though he described the plane as being as big as a Hercules it had a smaller wingspan and the engine exhaust had ''a light blue afterburner-type flame which was steady but changing in intensity.''

Two other RAF fighter jets flying out from Laarbruch nearly collided head-on with the UFO and saw it at the same time, the pilot said. ''These aircraft would have been close to being head-on to the UFO, while from our Tornado, the UFO came down our right-hand side at a great speed (ie, coming from the direction of the UK).

''We were doing 0.8 Mach and it readily overtook us.'' He went on: ''This was definitely not a Russian satellite - I am 100% certain of that.

''This was a large 'aircraft' and I could see the detail of the lights and the engine area.

''I have never seen anything like it.''


Interesting no reports to top brass on this and there response.

It must pto.

G grin
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Mar 9th, 2011, 01:01am

on Feb 4th, 2011, 8:28pm, GusB wrote:
I find the images of what looks like birds or bugs flying past the most frustrating. Then roll my eyes when the photographer said they didn't notice anything at the time of shooting the images.

AAAARRRHHH

G


Yeah, I can't handle that either.
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Mar 9th, 2011, 01:03am

Ground that pilot. The unexpected is supposed to be a fighter pilot's bread and butter. grin
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 16th, 2011, 8:31pm

Currently 2 UFOcasebook news posts have come to light which I should point out are complete rubbish.

Along the lines of some sort of Alien invasion

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/iaea-director-generals-ufo-invasion-concerns-japan-nuclear-meltdown-analysis

and

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/finalword.html

Im noting it here as I would like to point out that not all people who follow the UFO/Alien subject are prone to believe such garbage.

Both these above links are a complete fabrication which needs to be point out.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by cerebcat on Mar 16th, 2011, 9:20pm

Thanks Gus.

I saw these stories. Real rubbish. Turning everything into a big joke.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 20th, 2011, 4:29pm

The Era of 2012
http://www.ufocasebook.com/mag/032111.html

I felt that there was little I could disagree on this article. Being a well researched piece and using common sense it had put together an agenda of ET for the next few years.

It would seem that Earth will be going through some major changes in the next few years and the key point is ET or ETs are not going to help. The best that we can do is pray that we come out the other end ok.

The only point of difference that I have on this article is that Humanity is considered a low life form in the eyes of ET. I feel that this is a slight exaggeration as ETs have taken a keen interest in our development (by them observing us) over the millenniums. On top of that the Grey ETs have also a keen interest in our reproductive products.

So I feel that we can’t be a total loss yet.

G

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 26th, 2011, 8:38pm

1981, The Beginning of Contact, the Carlos Diaz Story
http://www.ufocasebook.com/mag/032811.html

Another interesting piece of an actual contactee as apposed to an abductee. Same message, stop destroying the Earth or you will destroy your self.

So could that mean that the Grey ETs and other ETs are collecting our reproductive products in case of a ELE (Extinction Level Event)?

Its a pity that these ETs are so far more advanced than us that they don't have the foresight and experience to help us.

Even just a tiny weeny bit.

What a ridiculous situation and these ETs think they are more advanced than us.

ET is a Joke

G


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 30th, 2011, 12:34am



Hi Guys

Watched the whole 13 vids and wondering if anyone had anything to say about this.

It seemed to be on track on almost everything that is out there on the subject.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 31st, 2011, 5:35pm

Due to the disturbing nature of the last 2 post and even though I have been reading up on these events over the last 6 years, I will try and keep it short.

* Amnesty for people involved US UK Black projects that participate and condone the abduction of humans within and without the designated nation states. Will be fully investigated by Amnesty international, UN Human Rights Watch and other NGOs. In other words amnesty will be denied and all conclusions will be sent to the International Criminal Court ICC. Due to nature and enormity of the of the crimes, non signatories of the ICC Treaty will comply. Full weight of International Law will be enforced to all nations involved in complicity.

*The subsequent abduction and torture of people by subjecting them to mental and physical tests and removal of reproductive products. The implementation without consent of surgical examination and implants. The forced hybridisation between ETs and humans are all tantamount to Crimes Against Humanity.

*Current and consistent information from multiple sources including ETs. State that humanity is currently leading towards an environmental catastrophe that could lead to an Extinction Level Event (ELE).

*Current circumstances dictate that if we truly belong to some sort of Galactic Neighbourhood then Humanity would naturally request that intervention occur.

*The intervention would be the immediate stop and prevention of abductions by Grey ETs and other ETs that implement these crimes.

*Due to numerous sources stating that we are very close to an ELE a request for decentralised distribution of technology that can help reduce or prevent the coming ELE.

*Current Governments have proven to be incapable of such distribution and thus lost legitimacy for oversight.

If there is a Galactic Neighbourhood that care's then they will implement the above.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Apr 7th, 2011, 07:13am



Interesting interview.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Apr 16th, 2011, 12:26am

http://vault.fbi.gov/ currently releasing old X-Files from secondary/hearsay UFO crashes and documents of the FBI researching into cow mutilations. Seems to be a delayed response to demands for disclosure.

Also the UFO communities burnout of insiders has killed any future relationship with UFologists. The advent of Wikileaks putting insiders between a rock and a hard place.

It all seems like 'To little to late' and simply cant see it developing to a transparent relationship like that between the Brazils military and Brazils UFO community.

The continued use of government policy of ridicule and coverup eg the Phoenix Lights and the Stephenville Lights. Will result in shaking governments to their foundations if 1st contact happens in the very near future.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Apr 29th, 2011, 4:17pm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1614846387438905636#

Peter Jennings report on UFOs it's very good.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jun 20th, 2011, 9:33pm

I thought this was very interesting to see as the report was well done. http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/manipurvideo.html

What interests me is that it was filmed near a boarder area in India next to Burma now called Myanmar.

Now looking at that footage with the doctors report after the witness was hit by some sort of electric pulse. This pulse did not knock out the phone camera or delete the film. Most cases (not all) like these especially after being hit by some sort of pulse, knocks out all power and electrical equipment.

I would logically suggest that the UFO did not like being filmed but could not knock out the phone camera.

The shape of the craft was also odd as it seemed to have thin rods on the left and right of the object. I do not recall any past witness' or abductees describing such a craft.

If this is real then I would have to say that it could be a US spy craft watching the movements of the Myanmar military Junta.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by masker33 on Jun 23rd, 2011, 09:47am

Quote:
The shape of the craft was also odd as it seemed to have thin rods on the left and right of the object. I do not recall any past witness' or abductees describing such a craft.


How familiar and how forbidden to mention. Any UFO witness is foolish, in the climate of the "Rabid Skeptic", to report anything. If you must report, report to your local authorities. No matter what, it is your best course.
L E V I A T H A N 9
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 11th, 2011, 03:44am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/brinknuclearlaunch.html

looks like ET still has problems with the nukes. Not surprising when the US, Russia and China have been testing them so much lately.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Jul 11th, 2011, 05:38am

on Jun 20th, 2011, 9:33pm, GusB wrote:
I thought this was very interesting to see as the report was well done. http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/manipurvideo.html

What interests me is that it was filmed near a boarder area in India next to Burma now called Myanmar.

Now looking at that footage with the doctors report after the witness was hit by some sort of electric pulse. This pulse did not knock out the phone camera or delete the film. Most cases (not all) like these especially after being hit by some sort of pulse, knocks out all power and electrical equipment.

I would logically suggest that the UFO did not like being filmed but could not knock out the phone camera.

The shape of the craft was also odd as it seemed to have thin rods on the left and right of the object. I do not recall any past witness' or abductees describing such a craft.

If this is real then I would have to say that it could be a US spy craft watching the movements of the Myanmar military Junta.

G tongue


Your final line probably has as much, or more, truth to it than anything else. But from some recent information I have recently become aware of? While we all know that political motivations of many nations have long been behind most of the misinformation and disinformation regarding UFO sightings, it seems we may be able to add some previously unknown as well as unstated and denied reasons to the list of whys regarding this intentional confusion said governments have long rained upon the subject of UFOs. If the current rumor mill proves to be true, then at least one nation has been hiding the fact that the bulk of ETs are in reality NOT, but rather a soon to be announced 'invaders' of the home grown variety. But the long famous denial syndrome will switch shoes, and proceed to tell us they are the genuine article.

Confused yet? Don't worry, that may have always been the plan. But these invaders will come from the distant solar systems of Kasputin Yar and Grooms Lake if you catch my drift. Courtesy of intelligence programs which began at the end of the Second World War, and continued as part of the pseudo-Cold War.

But as I said, this is part of a current rumor mill. So stay tuned to this channel to see if said rumors are truth. But if you've read the full scoop, then you know that they seem to make a lot of sense. After all, we have always known that only a minute few of the UFO reports were truly what they seemed, have we not? At any rate, there is no doubt that all of us know the bulk of official stories have been suspect ever since WWII. Pretty strange that every government on Earth got vague at the same time in my opinion anyway.

Personally, I've always been curious as to what the real extraterrestrials think about all of this. How about yourself?

And we just might be about to find out. grin
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 11th, 2011, 07:07am

on Jul 11th, 2011, 05:38am, icepick wrote:
Your final line probably has as much, or more, truth to it than anything else. But from some recent information I have recently become aware of? While we all know that political motivations of many nations have long been behind most of the misinformation and disinformation regarding UFO sightings, it seems we may be able to add some previously unknown as well as unstated and denied reasons to the list of whys regarding this intentional confusion said governments have long rained upon the subject of UFOs. If the current rumor mill proves to be true, then at least one nation has been hiding the fact that the bulk of ETs are in reality NOT, but rather a soon to be announced 'invaders' of the home grown variety. But the long famous denial syndrome will switch shoes, and proceed to tell us they are the genuine article.

Confused yet? Don't worry, that may have always been the plan. But these invaders will come from the distant solar systems of Kasputin Yar and Grooms Lake if you catch my drift. Courtesy of intelligence programs which began at the end of the Second World War, and continued as part of the pseudo-Cold War.

But as I said, this is part of a current rumor mill. So stay tuned to this channel to see if said rumors are truth. But if you've read the full scoop, then you know that they seem to make a lot of sense. After all, we have always known that only a minute few of the UFO reports were truly what they seemed, have we not? At any rate, there is no doubt that all of us know the bulk of official stories have been suspect ever since WWII. Pretty strange that every government on Earth got vague at the same time in my opinion anyway.

Personally, I've always been curious as to what the real extraterrestrials think about all of this. How about yourself?

And we just might be about to find out. grin


We can only speculate what ETs think.

What is surprising is that clearly ET does not like our nukes and think that we are destroying our Earth. Then I ask why don't they come down and say "here we are and we can help".

Because currently we seem to be destroying the Earth a rapid pace, which many Greys have said to Abductees.

We currently don't seem to have the technology to reverse the destruction of Earth and climate change in the near future.

Also part of the motivation of Russia China and the US is the weaponisation of space knowing also that when we send nukes into space, ET seems to react. But the development of humanity entering space is the need to use Earths resources to get there.

I think also one of the major reasons why Russia, China and the US are weaponising space is because they have seen what ET UFO’s can do but also the Greys are abducting humans and this has created a vicious circle.

Whether we like it or not ETs interactions with us are influencing us and ETs have to take responsibility for it. So maybe in 2012 something might happen.

Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Jul 11th, 2011, 3:27pm

Actually, I think that if there's any games going on with the weapons, it's home grown. If ET is doing anything at all, it's to sit back and shake their heads. They need not give any warnings after all. Their technologies would be so superior to anything we might have that they can probably stop anything we might initiate before we could even get started. From several systems away no less. Think about it. What scientists consider viable FTL speeds, about 4 billion mps, comes out to ten seconds to Alpha Centari. And it would still take over 100 years to cross the Milky Way.

What I was trying to point out is that according to the current rumor mill, (remember, everything UFO is rumor mill), powers that be may be about to show off some technologies they've been developing ever since the last big war. But are planning to blame it on ET. And who knows what powers that be have in mind for we peons.

Well, if the rumors are true? They would never have fooled anybody anyway. John Q. Public has heard every line from every government. But keep your eyes open. I have no doubts that they would still try.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 11th, 2011, 5:17pm

No better excuse to go to war and weaponise space is to protect humanity from abductions.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by LoneGunMan on Jul 11th, 2011, 6:03pm

on Jul 11th, 2011, 3:27pm, icepick wrote:
Actually, I think that if there's any games going on with the weapons, it's home grown. If ET is doing anything at all, it's to sit back and shake their heads. They need not give any warnings after all. Their technologies would be so superior to anything we might have that they can probably stop anything we might initiate before we could even get started. From several systems away no less. Think about it. What scientists consider viable FTL speeds, about 4 billion mps, comes out to ten seconds to Alpha Centari. And it would still take over 100 years to cross the Milky Way.

What I was trying to point out is that according to the current rumor mill, (remember, everything UFO is rumor mill), powers that be may be about to show off some technologies they've been developing ever since the last big war. But are planning to blame it on ET. And who knows what powers that be have in mind for we peons.

Well, if the rumors are true? They would never have fooled anybody anyway. John Q. Public has heard every line from every government. But keep your eyes open. I have no doubts that they would still try.


Tim,
My feeling are that most likely, they will have weaponry we won't be able to identify till it's too late. We have a miniscule understanding of what we call 'quantum-physics'! They probably have Deca-physics and might be past that! Our ideas of technology are based on our very basic understanding of the rules of nature here on this planet. We actually haven't even scratched the surface here on this world let alone recognize the possibilities of those that come from light years away or, possibly, from a different plain of existence!

Lone grin
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 14th, 2011, 01:18am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/retiredgreenberet.html

Diclosure is not here as much as this turky thinks it is.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 24th, 2011, 6:31pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/videoflorida2011.html

When I see this sort of stuff with what seems to be pretty accurate description of what the UFO is looking at. It has made me think that ET is trying to contain America primarily and in small parts of the world that ET is concern about. In saying that Government controls in Russia and China are so full on that it would seem that information like this would be difficult get out.

I Just had another look at it and at that time of day it could been a satellite.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 10th, 2011, 08:20am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/brendabutler.html

http://www.ufodigest.com/node/7744

There is a current Psyops program to discredit the work we do and here are 2 perfect examples of it happening right now.

It would seem that the Psyops program have a little bit of blood rushing to there heads and need to calm down a little so we don't notice them so easily.

When you have photos like these

http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0406a/

to embarrass the powers that be, of course we have visitors.

Its a bit like telling the Incas that there are no other nations that can invade your great empire. Yeah right.

Gus


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 19th, 2011, 7:12pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/videocentralflorida.html

This is a really good example of Military intervention of a UFO.

These I find are the best and even better with multiple witnesses and independent media involved.

But this happening is far and few between.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 19th, 2011, 11:26pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/aug/18/aliens-destroy-humanity-protect-civilisations

Its interesting that the Powers That Be (PTB) have taken notice of what ETs have been saying to abductees and witnesses to ET encounters.

It might help the PTB to know that ET have said more often than not that they will not help us if we destroy our selves.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 26th, 2011, 12:16am

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/vatican-and-nasa-conference-discuss-implications-finding-alien-life

This is old news these days but it would seem that organisations like NASA and the Vatican need ways to backtrack on previous statements and still have a look of legitimacy. Good luck to them, the rest of the world has moved on the subject.

It has been suggested that about 150 years ago or more the Vatican had worked out that Angels don’t fly in space ships as to where the discussion went from their, God only knows.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 31st, 2011, 07:34am

Michael Salla Exopolitics came about some time after my first thread of Political ET here on UFO case book forum. I find his speculation sometimes well thought out and well written.

If you like your reading follow the link below.

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-honolulu/scientific-study-adopts-unrealistic-stance-on-extraterrestrial-contact
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 13th, 2011, 06:33am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/ufohelicoptermaryland.html

The beginning of the false flag UFO attacks?

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 7th, 2011, 5:39pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/chile3clips.html

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/missouriufos.html

To very interesting clips in the continent of America I look forward to hearing about it in other parts of the world.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 15th, 2011, 03:22am

When you look at the reports it seems to be the same countries all the time.

US, UK and Chile more often than not.

It would seem an agreement between those 3 to use there airspace for the Black Operations Space Craft.

undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Oct 15th, 2011, 09:06am

[quote author=GusB link=board=general&num=1279336635&start=3#0 date=1279349798]If fact Mur their inability to controls this phenomena is probable exactly why the US government says nothing.


I couldnt agree more ,the government cant come out and say ANYTHING regarding ufos unless and until it knows the truth,um,even then..


Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Oct 15th, 2011, 09:09am

Gus,has this board ever decided if the Black Tri is ours or not? The reason I ask is the last time I checked and before it went down I read an article that said NIDS decided the Black Tri is ours,What says I?? How could that be how could the black tri turn out to be a top secret craft thats ours when its been reported to take off at blinding speed,but drop the blinding speed part and the rest of it is dooable. The blinding speed part just may be the disinformation that put the Black Tri in the ufology catagory.It would be a tad brilliant of someone to have thought of it but I think its quite possible that thats exactly what happend.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 15th, 2011, 3:52pm

on Oct 15th, 2011, 09:09am, carolnistri wrote:
Gus,has this board ever decided if the Black Tri is ours or not? The reason I ask is the last time I checked and before it went down I read an article that said NIDS decided the Black Tri is ours,What says I?? How could that be how could the black tri turn out to be a top secret craft thats ours when its been reported to take off at blinding speed,but drop the blinding speed part and the rest of it is dooable. The blinding speed part just may be the disinformation that put the Black Tri in the ufology catagory.It would be a tad brilliant of someone to have thought of it but I think its quite possible that thats exactly what happend.


Yes the Black Triangles are a odd lot at the top of this page is Black Triangle being buzzed by a chopper. Theirs or ours?

I would say more often than not the Black Triangles are ours, as there was a bunch on designs after WWII that were the first designs of the Triangles. Plus the current B-2 and others like it really doesn't take much imagination to think what the next generation of Black birds would look like.

I think the Black Triangles are a necessary part of what the US see as threats to its sovereignty. Those would be prevention of Chinese and Russian fly overs, ET Fly overs and the possible prevention of ET Abductions.

What puts them in the category of secret is that they are highly toxic and if one crashed I think the population would be very vulnerable. The cost is also another reason, the current mood on main street and wall street would be to strip the Black Budgets to the bones.

It was bound to happen that people would take photos of these crafts but it would also be part of the plan to confuse and make mirky for the UFO community.

IMO all if not most Black Triangles are ours.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Oct 16th, 2011, 04:10am

Thanks Gus,that does it for me,that business of them taking off at warp speed threw me for a bit,but I agree its ours.
Re: Political ET
Post by cerebcat on Oct 18th, 2011, 10:58pm

Here's an interesting analysis of an object filmed during Apollo 16. The site includes other scholarly works on the UFO Phen.

http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_17_3_nakamura.pdf
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 20th, 2011, 4:00pm

on Oct 18th, 2011, 10:58pm, cerebcat wrote:
Here's an interesting analysis of an object filmed during Apollo 16. The site includes other scholarly works on the UFO Phen.

http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_17_3_nakamura.pdf


Yep that could be a UFO but I think someone here worked out that it was an object on Apollo it self and part of it was in it's own the shadow. Giving that effect which was unintentional. Someone picked it up and has gone viral ever since.
Over the years photos and video have proven to be difficult in the long run. We currently need a massive UFO over a major city during the day to turn this whole debate around.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Oct 21st, 2011, 05:02am

I think it might be one clue that, no sooner than the triangles started showing up in so many different places, The USAF suddenly retired an airplane nobody believed could be replaced, the SR-71 Blackbird. It's a given that any replacement would have to be capable of flying higher than its 80,000 to 100,000 feet, as well as faster than its 2,700 MPH at full burner.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 21st, 2011, 07:31am

on Oct 21st, 2011, 05:02am, icepick wrote:
I think it might be one clue that, no sooner than the triangles started showing up in so many different places, The USAF suddenly retired an airplane nobody believed could be replaced, the SR-71 Blackbird. It's a given that any replacement would have to be capable of flying higher than its 80,000 to 100,000 feet, as well as faster than its 2,700 MPH at full burner.


Yeah they don't retire something and not replace it. Also they still make the unique fuel for the Blackbird. So it has to go somewhere. I think its the tip of the ice burg.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Oct 21st, 2011, 09:51am

No, they definitely don't. Especially when it's as exotic as the Blackbird.

As far as fuel for the SR-71 goes, I would say either/or. I'm sure that particular engine pod will be hard at it somewhere for a long time. Kelly Johnson's genius was showing the day he dreamed that concept up. It's the sole jet engine on the planet that's as efficient under full burner as it is in a cruise. How, I have no idea.

Speaking of dreaming:

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/

have you ever checked the black projects link at that site? They actually manage to get new information somehow every now and then. You can find the interesting details there. Every other page I've ever seen that posts this kind of stuff, is promptly off the web for whatever reason.
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Oct 21st, 2011, 09:59am

You can also read about even more exotic tech yet to be developed here:

http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/2007/04/is-space-travel-possible-using-this.html

most people don't realize how far along we actually are. We had some extremely brilliant scientists during WWII. When they tossed those Nazi scientists in with them after the war, we developed one excellent running start. Tip of the 'berg? I couldn't say. Who knows what has been developed. Anything we invented was promptly stolen by the Soviets back then, they had a lot of class one geniuses as well, so who knows?
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 21st, 2011, 5:05pm

Thanks for the links man they look really good. That should be fun to look around.

Check this one out at 3:28 you will see the topside of the Triangle I would say it would have to be one of the best shots going.



Which is the other side to this



Cheers

G cheesy tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 21st, 2011, 5:33pm

on Oct 21st, 2011, 09:59am, icepick wrote:
You can also read about even more exotic tech yet to be developed here:

http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/2007/04/is-space-travel-possible-using-this.html

most people don't realize how far along we actually are. We had some extremely brilliant scientists during WWII. When they tossed those Nazi scientists in with them after the war, we developed one excellent running start. Tip of the 'berg? I couldn't say. Who knows what has been developed. Anything we invented was promptly stolen by the Soviets back then, they had a lot of class one geniuses as well, so who knows?


Nice piece you found there a while back I watched a program about the use of Black hole technology in layman's terms. The conclusion is that an objects shape that has to go through a worm hole will have to be cylindrical in shape. Now some UFOs come in that shape. Also pilots have whiteness very large UFOs either using this tech and disappearing or it could be a cloaking device. The main thing to learn from that is that it is possible.

G smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by cerebcat on Oct 23rd, 2011, 10:47pm



Quote:
ep that could be a UFO but I think someone here worked out that it was an object on Apollo it self and part of it was in it's own the shadow. Giving that effect which was unintentional. Someone picked it up and has gone viral ever since.
Over the years photos and video have proven to be difficult in the long run. We currently need a massive UFO over a major city during the day to turn this whole debate around.


Thanks Gus. Some scientific investigation. You would think that they would have first tried to rule this possibility out.

Cere


Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Oct 24th, 2011, 05:21am

on Oct 21st, 2011, 5:33pm, GusB wrote:
Nice piece you found there a while back I watched a program about the use of Black hole technology in layman's terms. The conclusion is that an objects shape that has to go through a worm hole will have to be cylindrical in shape. Now some UFOs come in that shape. Also pilots have whiteness very large UFOs either using this tech and disappearing or it could be a cloaking device. The main thing to learn from that is that it is possible.

G smiley


I believe General Relativity says all those things are possible. But it's probably going to take the world of Quantum Mechanics to make it possible. The infinitesmal controlling the infinite. I recall a movie line to that effect.
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Oct 24th, 2011, 05:46am

on Oct 15th, 2011, 09:09am, carolnistri wrote:
Gus,has this board ever decided if the Black Tri is ours or not? The reason I ask is the last time I checked and before it went down I read an article that said NIDS decided the Black Tri is ours,What says I?? How could that be how could the black tri turn out to be a top secret craft thats ours when its been reported to take off at blinding speed,but drop the blinding speed part and the rest of it is dooable. The blinding speed part just may be the disinformation that put the Black Tri in the ufology catagory.It would be a tad brilliant of someone to have thought of it but I think its quite possible that thats exactly what happend.


On the other hand, I stumbled across a report somewhere the other day that claimed a pressurized Mercury Vortex is used in the triangles. It is a well known fact in many circles that this approach has been pursued since the 1940s. Theoretically it would have a negating effect on gravity. If this technology has been developed, then a whole new world of possibilities have been opened.

It's very difficult to say though. These debates are nothing but speculation either way. I do agree about the propaganda though. The Phoenix Lights was an obvious ploy of some kind, and this fits the bill.

Every report that actually involves ETs which sounds credible, always contains one insinuation. That they are able to control whether or not humans can see them, or their craft. The entire concept of alien visitation becomes much more viable sounding if they are trying to conceal themselves from humans, unless they wish to be seen. That would be standard scientific observation.

Which also lends more credibility to the concept of most sightings being craft from the Black Projects. What are the chances of all the government disclosures from different nations being yet another disinformation ploy? It seems like every nation doing so has become involved in a space program.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 24th, 2011, 06:31am

on Oct 24th, 2011, 05:46am, icepick wrote:
On the other hand, I stumbled across a report somewhere the other day that claimed a pressurized Mercury Vortex is used in the triangles. It is a well known fact in many circles that this approach has been pursued since the 1940s. Theoretically it would have a negating effect on gravity. If this technology has been developed, then a whole new world of possibilities have been opened.

It's very difficult to say though. These debates are nothing but speculation either way. I do agree about the propaganda though. The Phoenix Lights was an obvious ploy of some kind, and this fits the bill.

Every report that actually involves ETs which sounds credible, always contains one insinuation. That they are able to control whether or not humans can see them, or their craft. The entire concept of alien visitation becomes much more viable sounding if they are trying to conceal themselves from humans, unless they wish to be seen. That would be standard scientific observation.

Which also lends more credibility to the concept of most sightings being craft from the Black Projects. What are the chances of all the government disclosures from different nations being yet another disinformation ploy? It seems like every nation doing so has become involved in a space program.


I couldn't agree more someone speculated that The Phoenix Lights could of been a Black Project Zeppelin with god know what additional tech to make it pulse and slice through air.

The deeper we go the less I know.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Oct 24th, 2011, 07:08am

http://www.jpaerospace.com/

Check the Ascender. While it hasn't been tested yet, there are many who believe there is a military recon version. Just doesn't need quite as much altitude, and was operational over a decade ago. It's a tidbit the people who like to find clues by digging through military budgets and patents came up with.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 24th, 2011, 3:38pm

on Oct 24th, 2011, 07:08am, icepick wrote:
http://www.jpaerospace.com/

Check the Ascender. While it hasn't been tested yet, there are many who believe there is a military recon version. Just doesn't need quite as much altitude, and was operational over a decade ago. It's a tidbit the people who like to find clues by digging through military budgets and patents came up with.


Well you found something there. Insiders and many military observers say that the Black Operations are 30 to 50 years in advance in technology before the rest of humanity.

It just goes to show the Asender could be made very large eg football field size (Ring a bell!).

So I would say hands down that glowing orb and cylinder UFOs are ETs.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 25th, 2011, 01:57am



Great vid

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Oct 25th, 2011, 04:33am

I don't know about cylinders, but orbs? Yeah, I'm pretty sure anything round that's fast is beyond our current technology. See one I hope you have a good camera. You'll be famous if not rich and famous providing you get a great shot.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 30th, 2011, 11:20pm


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 1st, 2011, 6:52pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/missourihalloweenvideo.html

Looks like things are starting happen.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 3rd, 2011, 11:35pm



Thats a odd one.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 12th, 2011, 05:50am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/sendaijapansept2011.html



G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 14th, 2011, 7:31pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/videomexicocity111011.html

The first part of the vid looks a lot like the UFO in post above #186



G
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Nov 15th, 2011, 10:17am

on Oct 24th, 2011, 05:46am, icepick wrote:
On the other hand, I stumbled across a report somewhere the other day that claimed a pressurized Mercury Vortex is used in the triangles. It is a well known fact in many circles that this approach has been pursued since the 1940s. Theoretically it would have a negating effect on gravity. If this technology has been developed, then a whole new world of possibilities have been opened.

It's very difficult to say though. These debates are nothing but speculation either way. I do agree about the propaganda though. The Phoenix Lights was an obvious ploy of some kind, and this fits the bill.

Every report that actually involves ETs which sounds credible, always contains one insinuation. That they are able to control whether or not humans can see them, or their craft. The entire concept of alien visitation becomes much more viable sounding if they are trying to conceal themselves from humans, unless they wish to be seen. That would be standard scientific observation.

Which also lends more credibility to the concept of most sightings being craft from the Black Projects. What are the chances of all the government disclosures from different nations being yet another disinformation ploy? It seems like every nation doing so has become involved in a space program.

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 15th, 2011, 3:57pm

A very good piece, well said.

You can go around in circles I find with this subject.

G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 16th, 2011, 11:26pm

on Nov 14th, 2011, 7:31pm, GusB wrote:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/videomexicocity111011.html

The first part of the vid looks a lot like the UFO in post above #186



and another around the same time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGQ8QgVn_LA

G


Looks like that UFO again.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/videowisconsin111511.html

Cool

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 19th, 2011, 6:03pm

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/shifting-earth-consciousness-2012-world-ascension-vigils

I thought this article was a good all rounder. My hope is that ET UFOs do a flyby Earth over many nations during the day in plane sight for a few days.

I think this would shift humanities consciousness and understanding of our place in the universe.

At times I think it is wishful thinking.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 7th, 2011, 4:02pm

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general

US Black Operations in the Ukraine?

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 14th, 2011, 6:43pm



Had to put this one here way to good not to archive.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 25th, 2011, 5:15pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWT8jy09MPw

satellite's light shining through the atmosphere that is cold and icy. The moon can do this sometimes creating a ring/ sphere around the light source.

I have seen this myself a few times.

Identified UFO IMO

G

Update http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/videorussia122311.html

Turns out that ring around it was the fuel
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 25th, 2011, 5:45pm

LOL getting into the You tube groove.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8T-g-H9398

That looks real to me.

G

Or a moth rolleyes
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Dec 25th, 2011, 10:57pm

on Nov 15th, 2011, 3:57pm, GusB wrote:
A very good piece, well said.

You can go around in circles I find with this subject.

G undecided


And round, and round, till you get sick or pass out. A very complicated matter indeed.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 26th, 2011, 5:26pm

Its all speculation of course but I do find the abduction stories help give me better insight into what the Grey ETs want.

The odd abductee links the black programs with the Greys. Overall it just does not seem to be what the Greys are doing & saying.

Is Whitney Strieber an abductee or contactee?


G huh
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Dec 26th, 2011, 11:09pm

If the Greys exist, they stand a better chance of being an artificial life form than anything in my opinion. Every report about them screams AI.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 27th, 2011, 12:03am

on Dec 26th, 2011, 11:09pm, icepick wrote:
If the Greys exist, they stand a better chance of being an artificial life form than anything in my opinion. Every report about them screams AI.


Yeah could be AI. To me they look and act like bugs.

I suspect that they have a "Hive" type society the "We" apposed to our Western "I"

So each type of Grey has a different role, the short Grey ET is like a worker bee. The Bluish Grey ET does other things (who knows what that is exactly) then you have the Tall Greys who seem to be political.

There seems to be a few Tall Greys so they must answer to another type of Grey. You could speculate that they might function like a monarchy with a Queen Bee or Queen Grey as head of there planet or a number of Queen Greys that rule regions on there planet.

This Queen Grey may produce lots of Grey with different roles like ants in some ways a type of AI. This in part explains why they are so interested in our reproductive products.

The hive society explains why they have telepathy IMO.

Their large eyes suggest evolutionary development to lack of light or they live underground or in a dark hive. The large head and thin body would show a planet with less gravity than us.

Due the age of our ants here on Earth which are 130 million years old these Grey ETs as a society could be very old indeed.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Dec 27th, 2011, 01:37am

Adapted to the low light of space? Or simply a lens? If they really are artificial life forms, then that must mean somebody sent them directly here? Possibly.

By the way, you are telepathic yourself. Either we've lost the ability/know-how, or we have yet to master the potential. But there's actually an agreement in science about this.

Have you ever read Destination Void by Frank Herbert? If not, I highly recommend it. And it wouldn't take you long.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 27th, 2011, 02:08am

on Dec 27th, 2011, 01:37am, icepick wrote:
Adapted to the low light of space? Or simply a lens? If they really are artificial life forms, then that must mean somebody sent them directly here? Possibly.

By the way, you are telepathic yourself. Either we've lost the ability/know-how, or we have yet to master the potential. But there's actually an agreement in science about this.

Have you ever read Destination Void by Frank Herbert? If not, I highly recommend it. And it wouldn't take you long.


Yes I think we are all telepathic and this will improve over time as our technology will improve, for example brain implants etc.

That would also explain why ETs seem to easily communicate with us through telepathy and a good indicator that Greys like our genetics.

I will look into that book you recommended.

G smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Dec 27th, 2011, 09:35am

Sorry, but I failed to realize that Destination Void is like another Frank Herbert Novel, The Heaven Makers. Neither are in print at this time.

However, I spotted this over at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Destination-Void-Frank-Herbert/dp/042507465X

I definitely recommend it. Herbert always wrote great sci fi which addressed some unusual issue. For example, Dune addresses the problems people always have when they follow a messiah.

In this case, the issue is a tad further out. Mind over matter (AI mind over matter actually), as well as the belief system people might develop should they witness this in action.

No clues as to why they took such a great book out of print.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 28th, 2011, 04:53am

My wife pointed out that none of the Grey types have child bearing hips. So it could also point to a type of reproduction similar to Queen Bees or Queen ants.

This is a very intriguing discussion on the Greys.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Dec 28th, 2011, 08:30am

Your wife is quite observant. So I imagine she also picked up on the fact that any known description of the Greys describes creatures who lack the volume needed for tissue mass to properly support them as well? Wu told me about a credible author who advocates they are AI or similar as well. Seems there is some existing consensus on this matter?

So an appropriate observation might be that they appear to be of humanoid design as well?
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Dec 28th, 2011, 10:18am

on Dec 26th, 2011, 11:09pm, icepick wrote:
If the Greys exist, they stand a better chance of being an artificial life form than anything in my opinion. Every report about them screams AI.


Yes....and that is one of the central themes in Nigel Kerner's theory who believes they are cloned artificial beings created by an early Prime Race to explore the galaxy so the Prime Race could stay at home.
He believes that the 'grays' turned on their masters destroyed them and now are running amok in the galaxy. He also believes they are here looking for 'souls' since they have none and are upset about this and this is why they turned on their creators.
There is a lot of weird science in his book also but that's the gist of his tale.
It doesn't get any stranger than that imo.
grin
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Dec 28th, 2011, 12:38pm

Not much. But it does have the ring of another story told here on Earth for many thousands of years now. It's most interesting.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 28th, 2011, 4:17pm

on Dec 28th, 2011, 08:30am, icepick wrote:
Your wife is quite observant. So I imagine she also picked up on the fact that any known description of the Greys describes creatures who lack the volume needed for tissue mass to properly support them as well? Wu told me about a credible author who advocates they are AI or similar as well. Seems there is some existing consensus on this matter?

So an appropriate observation might be that they appear to be of humanoid design as well?


Yes your argument on AI is very good. The neck strength is a facinating question.

Are their any animales on Earth that have such a ratio of head and body mass?

G smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 28th, 2011, 4:23pm

on Dec 28th, 2011, 12:38pm, icepick wrote:
Not much. But it does have the ring of another story told here on Earth for many thousands of years now. It's most interesting.


Even Whitney Strieber has talk of a positive and negative spritual experiance with the Greys.

I suspect that the Grey being as advanced as ther are would have tech that would make the your hair stand up on end.

Im not saying they are evil or little devils, that's not how I want the discussion to go (as their are other thread on this forum for such discussions).

In perspective what humanity can do now would freak out humans 100years ago if we could do time travel.

I feel that we have so much to learn.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Dec 28th, 2011, 7:04pm

on Dec 28th, 2011, 4:17pm, GusB wrote:
Yes your argument on AI is very good. The neck strength is a facinating question.

Are their any animales on Earth that have such a ratio of head and body mass?

G smiley


Simply put, none that I know of. If there are, I'll give you odds they're aquatic, and utilize water for the extra support.
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Dec 28th, 2011, 7:23pm

Any being, whether artificial or natural, which could travel the stars would be so much further advanced than we that I doubt we could even find their technology on board their ship, let alone reverse engineer it. The hull plating of an interstellar craft alone would require alloys at least as strong as the armor plate on the USS Missouri. Contact with dust specks at those speeds can produce nuclear grade explosions. And while we have built ships capable of withstanding explosions like that, they're far too heavy to fly using our technology. Naturally.

It would be wrong for the discussion to take a strictly malevolent viewpoint on any species, but I don't see how the issue can be avoided completely in a thorough discussion. Let us take these Greys as an example, and assume they are an artificial life form. That implies some type of software behind their minds, software develops bugs over time, and, well, you get the idea. Artificial or not, I contend that any species would be the same as humans in this respect. Some good, some bad, and some playing both ends from the middle. Every law of randomization demands this.

I question either the existence of these Greys, or their motives. Why? Every known method of scientific study requires observation unknown to the subject being studied. This brings their exposing themselves to select, random individuals into question. It is even difficult to imagine a control group scenario for this, unless they're trying to determine our reactions that result from shock and/or fear. I'm sure you can see where I'm headed with this?
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Dec 28th, 2011, 8:22pm

Mehhh, I don't believe that last post conveyed what I was trying to say properly. I would like to clarify a tad.

Look at it this way. What has happened in every known historical example where a civilization encountered another with a lesser amount of knowledge? (note that I did not say intelligence, as that would be a misnomer)

They conquered them, claiming it was for their own good. Meaning that they wished to protect them from their own ignorance. And in most cases, this was true. The leaders of the more knowledgeable civilization held only the best of intentions.

But what always happened afterwards? Humans aren't exactly generic, are they? In every example many turned up planning to exploit these savage people in the very first wave of colonization. And they always devastated them with new diseases the people had no immunity to as well. For example, the common cold could kill an Eskimo at one time. But focus on those choosing to exploit. They assumed that these wild people would be dumber than a box of rocks in every case. That's a classic example of underestimation. Where humans are involved, the people would be every bit as intelligent as those in the civilization possessing superior technology every single time. All they lacked was knowledge.

And we all know the complications that followed, don't we? Try the American Indians. It was a hanging offense to run whiskey and guns to the Indians, because it was a well known fact that bad things would come of it. Both the Europeans and the Indians have taken bad raps for this, albeit at different times. Try this scenario on for size. The Indians were always assigned reservations, but it was rarely required that they live there. At first. The reasons for them to go there was that whites weren't allowed there, and government assistance which the Indians had little use for was available there.

But with the rate of expansion in the Wild West being five miles a day, it was never long before all available land in the region was settled. Enter the eastern bankers, who looked to the Indian lands and drooled. How to get them off it? In almost every instance, they arrived at the same solution. Hire people of low integrity to run guns and booze to the Indians, but not just any Indians. No, they used banished Indians for this. The ones who had a bone to pick with local tribes because they were kicked out for breaking some law. They had these 'criminal Indians' attack local settlements. The settlers could rarely tell the difference between tribes, and rarely knew anything about the 'banished ones'. So it was only natural that they assumed the local tribe was on the warpath. The news would arrive in Washington DC, along with pleas for help. The army was usually hundreds of miles away, which would be the equivalent of another planet by modern standards. So they usually assumed the orders to round up the tribe in the region and place them on the reservation were justified.

When the army arrived in the region, the local tribe would rightly assume they were under attack. Numbers, not evil intent, would doom the Indians every time. That and the poor communications of the era.

In the end, the bankers would get access to the lands, the settlers felt safer, and the Indians would wind up screwed. The army needed them on smaller reservations so they could keep their eye on them.

The problems here are obvious. In nearly every instance, the combatants in the war were innocent of any wrongful acts. And the true perpetrators were not discovered, leaving them free to pull this trick again on others. Only now is it finally being realized where the blame should have been placed. In the meantime, many died and lives were destroyed on both sides.

So there you have the perfect example of how complicated issues become when cultures possessing vastly different levels of knowledge collide. While the vast majority of those involved were folks of high integrity, a few people with weak character on both sides conspired to benefit at the expense of the rest. 130 years after Wounded Knee, many people are still angry, and many still feel remorse. A more appropriate response would be rage directed towards those who exploited at the time.

How possible would it be to repeat that scenario if the participants were ETs and humans? Personally, barring the aliens were sent by God or similar, I think the answer is a given.

Sorry about the long winded post. It took far more words than I had anticipated to properly explain such a scenario. Especially one which is known. I didn't want to get it wrong. And I didn't even touch on the issues where either army officers or local chiefs were corrupt. This type of issue is terribly complex.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 30th, 2011, 3:11pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/videotijuana122511.html

Man there is a lot of rockets going into space at the moment.

Poster gave a really good link on all the HAARP sites in the world which are all pointing to areas that UFOs happen.

Well whaddya know.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Dec 30th, 2011, 3:24pm

Well what's the latest number on the total active satellites out there? Somewhere around twenty thousand I believe.

How hazardous is it to simply enter into Earth orbit?
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 30th, 2011, 4:13pm

on Dec 30th, 2011, 3:24pm, icepick wrote:
Well what's the latest number on the total active satellites out there? Somewhere around twenty thousand I believe.

How hazardous is it to simply enter into Earth orbit?


lol grin
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 30th, 2011, 4:28pm

On your above post about the Indians is a lot like what happened in New Zealand but the difference was that Maori Tribes gave the British a beating more often than not. In the long run the Maori could not stop the colonisation.

So with the Grey ETs what if we are dealing with Hives rather than nations or a planet with a single identity.

Out of all the abductions I have never heard the Greys say "we come in peace and we come from this planet".

I think that question alone freaks out the Pentagon because the answer come's with silence. That silence is a gap that we fill with fear.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Dec 30th, 2011, 5:52pm

Strange you should say that, because even world leaders seem a tad nervous about this issue in certain ways. Take that and run with it any way you wish, because it's a conclusion sensed out of perception/intuition, and I have nothing to offer beyond that.

The issue in North America between the natives and the settlers was unbelievably complex, but it's a perfect example of what happens when cultures of widely different levels of knowledge come in contact with one another. A clash is inevitable, because people of low integrity from both sides seem to always assume the other side is either weak, or unintelligent, depending on which side they're on. But both are classic mistakes which are always made by individuals seeking to get one up on the other. Both assumptions are inherently false, and cause disaster every single time.

Still, the concept of the noble redskin that's popular today, is as incorrect as the honest settler ideas of days gone past. People are people, and most have great hearts. They're just trying to make a living, like everybody else. Fear is the catalyst that the darker factions of both sides always use to initiate problems.

I can see your point precisely about the British and the Maori. Here they made a more serious error in the days before the revolution. They sought to exploit issues between tribes to their benefit in their conflict with the French. Worse than that, they agitated issues between natives and settlers during the revolution. Those issues grew in scope for nearly a century in areas. People who lived on the frontier understood the difference between the nations, but those in the east were basically oblivious to this. Believe it or not, some of the biggest Indian proponents were in the US Cavalry. For example, the sole individual at Wounded Knee who kept pointing to the obvious problems, was an army general. But the Indian Agent in charge, as well as quite a few chiefs, were highly antagonistic. In the end, nobody has a clue who fired that rifle shot. But the army was extremely nervous, many Indians were amped, yet the conclusion was inevitable. Since this was the tribal branch responsible for killing Sitting Bull, a hero to all from Buffalo Bill's shows, many saw it as poetic justice for years. It was anything but.

I can't say for certain whether or not similar events would happen should somebody like the Greys make contact, but I'm thinking they would. And just like always, everybody would believe they were right. Roddenberry obviously thought Trek through carefully, because this is one thing he definitely got right. So I guess the million dollar question is, would a spacefaring civilization have the wisdom to impose a prime directive?
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 31st, 2011, 9:43pm

I'm not getting a prime directive vibe from the Greys. In fact I feel like they are having some influence in our culture.

The Greys behaviour reminds me of what Captain Cook used to do when going and discovering new Islands. He would capture a native interrogate them to find out what he could learn, then returning them. This tactic helped him get killed in the long run.

The Greys are abducting humans almost in a anthropological sense, putting implants into their captive's, reading their minds, studying their responses to certain images and taking reproductive products. I consider it a crime against humanity.

At times I feel that if US declared war on the Greys because of the above realities. I would think fine go ahead do what ever you can to stop these abductions.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Jan 1st, 2012, 06:27am

If the Greys are real, then no, they have no prime directive.
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Jan 1st, 2012, 2:24pm

on Jan 1st, 2012, 06:27am, icepick wrote:
If the Greys are real, then no, they have no prime directive.


You say that as if it's a fact.
Perhaps their 'prime directive' is to exploit any less advanced race they find? Assuming they are real of course.





Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Jan 1st, 2012, 2:36pm

Only the prime directive we think of. Assuming they are real of course.

But wouldn't tampering with a races technology level be a bit like giving the kid you're babysitting an AK-47 to keep them busy while you watch TV?
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Jan 1st, 2012, 2:40pm

on Jan 1st, 2012, 2:36pm, icepick wrote:
Only the prime directive we think of. Assuming they are real of course.

But wouldn't tampering with a races technology level be a bit like giving the kid you're babysitting an AK-47 to keep them busy while you watch TV?


You must be referring to the Star Trek one,...but you know that's just science fiction.
wink

I don't think any advanced race would give us any weapon tech...unless of course they wanted us to destroy ourselves.
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Jan 1st, 2012, 2:58pm

Yes, but the Trek example is the wisest course. Why? In destroying ourselves, we could easily take the donor race with us.

Personally, I doubt any conscientious race would even expose themselves to us. Hence my contention that, if the Greys exist, we'd best give them a motivation test. Or perhaps you can think of a VALID scientific reason they would expose themselves to select, random individuals?
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 17th, 2012, 11:47pm



UFO contact and possible communication?

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 17th, 2012, 11:59pm



Another good one.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Jan 18th, 2012, 10:20am

on Jan 1st, 2012, 2:58pm, icepick wrote:
Yes, but the Trek example is the wisest course. Why? In destroying ourselves, we could easily take the donor race with us.

Personally, I doubt any conscientious race would even expose themselves to us. Hence my contention that, if the Greys exist, we'd best give them a motivation test. Or perhaps you can think of a VALID scientific reason they would expose themselves to select, random individuals?


I can't think of an valid reason why the 'aliens' expose themselves to the various people they do and often in such absurd ways......which is why I have a problem with the ETH as an explanation for visiting 'aliens'.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 18th, 2012, 3:57pm

Like any sort of race of beings that have needed science to advance their race into the stars I consider the Greys to be Anthropological in nature. So they will need to do random abductions of humans.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Feb 12th, 2012, 7:10pm

Same UFOs in Mexicali that are in Russia

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/videochelyabinsk.html

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/videomexicaliagain.html

Whether this is US or ETs space craft at the end of the day these UFOs are testing our defences. As they are both close to boarders of other major nations.
Possible surveillance of weak spots to observation of high tension areas.

IMO

G


Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Feb 12th, 2012, 10:33pm

on Jan 18th, 2012, 10:20am, drwu23 wrote:
I can't think of an valid reason why the 'aliens' expose themselves to the various people they do and often in such absurd ways......which is why I have a problem with the ETH as an explanation for visiting 'aliens'.


Scientific observation as we understand it actually forbids contaminating the subject with things like exposing it/them to something which would impact its state. This creates huge issues in my mind for so many occurrences of open contact.

What might the intelligence differential be? Would we be as close to them as a Neanderthal would be to us? Or are we talking Homo Erectus here? One thing is a fairly sure bet. No conversation they would consider intelligent would be taking place.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Feb 12th, 2012, 11:28pm

on Feb 12th, 2012, 10:33pm, icepick wrote:
Scientific observation as we understand it actually forbids contaminating the subject with things like exposing it/them to something which would impact its state. This creates huge issues in my mind for so many occurrences of open contact.

What might the intelligence differential be? Would we be as close to them as a Neanderthal would be to us? Or are we talking Homo Erectus here? One thing is a fairly sure bet. No conversation they would consider intelligent would be taking place.


I think their actions speak louder than words and they have had very little to say to the people they abduct.

It has been noted on numerous times that some abductees have had their reproductive products used to genetically modify the Greys ETs to be more human.

The main reason for this it would seem to be some sort of benefit for their race, to put it bluntly.

The reason for this is numerous and speculative. eg

1 Grey ETs as a race are so old that their genetics have become weak and need the support from other species.

2 Grey have come to understand that they are lacking in qualities that they would like to have. eg creative individual thought and possibly emotions.

3 Closer ties with humanity once full Exopolitics has occurred or full invasion of Earth before or after an Extinction Level Event (ELE).

Their are times I feel that Reagan was correct in thinking that what will unite humanity will be an invasion from another ET race.

I find the abductions so abhorrent at times I feel like we might need to take a war footing against these Greys until they stop abductions and show more peaceful way of trading with humanity.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Feb 14th, 2012, 12:04am

Yes, Reagan was very correct in his belief that an alien invasion would unite mankind. And the foreign policy side of his administration makes an excellent case for things not always being what they seem as well. Starting out with all that Evil Empire rhetoric, and a second arms race, which all turned out to be nothing more than ploys to get the START Talks rolling. Much may be the same with ET.

The Hebrews were the first to make a written record of what seems suspiciously like other worldly visitors. Most notably the story of the Fallen Angels and the Nephilim. Beyond them however, the Ancient Astronaut crowd has so thoroughly clouded the landscape with wild claims that it's hard to find accurate reports. But there are many indications visitations were happening before the Hebrews recorded those stories, and have happened ever since.

All of this compounds with the human tendency towards embellishment of course. But the more reports we explain away, the clearer it becomes that there is something concrete to this phenomenon. While reports of a cludgy contained vortex engine allegedly having been developed neatly explains away the Triangles, it does no such thing for the box shaped UFOs which have been reported on occasion with great similarity through the years. That would probably require a Dipole device to control gravity:

http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/2007/04/is-space-travel-possible-using-this.html

Despite research in this area since WWII, it is highly doubtful we have developed this. And there are other reports of great consistency which indicates an unearthly presence from time to time.

It all adds up to a complex phenomenon so confusing it's hard to make any determination about any part of it. Someday we will know, but until then the line that separates the reality from the myth will be impossible to find. Somebody needs to make a checklist or something for people willing to make reports. Maybe then a pattern would emerge so we can have our answers?

This speculation is tough stuff, isn't it?
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Feb 14th, 2012, 06:45am

I concur with you last post.

At times I feel that I have been closer to the truth with what I have collected on this thread than anywhere else.

Plus with good UFO videos, speculation can get us very close to the what is really happen with ET contact with humanity.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Feb 14th, 2012, 12:03pm

on Jan 18th, 2012, 3:57pm, GusB wrote:
Like any sort of race of beings that have needed science to advance their race into the stars I consider the Greys to be Anthropological in nature. So they will need to do random abductions of humans.

G


Random abductions of thousands of humans..? To what end? IMO this is nonsense.
It has been pointed out by many over the years including Dr Vallee in his books that any truly advanced race could learn all they need to know about is in a matter of weeks at most by monitoring our media and taking any samples they need from a blood bank or other readily available sources.
And the nature of their exam techniques are less advanced than ours in some cases based on witness tales.
Unless there is some kind of ongoing millenia long project by the 'aliens' (and that is pure speculation at this juncture) then these repeated 'abductions' are simply ludicrous from any scientific point of view.
They, being the 'aliens', are either very bad scientists or the 'abductions' are not what we think they are.
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Feb 14th, 2012, 5:25pm

Yes Wu, this is one strange phenomenon. As I pointed out in my last post in this thread, the more we explain away, the clearer it becomes that there is something very concrete here. But we haven't a clue as to who or what 'they' might be, no idea if they're from another planet, dimension, realm, or even Earth. Or if what we're made to perceive is even the true concept/image involved.

My opinion leans further and further towards an entity with some vested interest of some kind. Of course that leaves the questions of what and why, doesn't it?

Every time I think I've come up with something of substance, it turns out to be more complications of the entire thing.

Speaking of which, I wish somebody would gag the Ancient Astronaut crowd. It's bad enough that people like the Egyptians left conflicting information in different places. Then along comes those characters playing it on both ends. How to find accurate information after they've .................... you know. Exasperating. No wonder scientists have taken to hiding their papers eh?
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Feb 14th, 2012, 9:11pm

on Feb 14th, 2012, 5:25pm, icepick wrote:
Yes Wu, this is one strange phenomenon. As I pointed out in my last post in this thread, the more we explain away, the clearer it becomes that there is something very concrete here. But we haven't a clue as to who or what 'they' might be, no idea if they're from another planet, dimension, realm, or even Earth. Or if what we're made to perceive is even the true concept/image involved.

My opinion leans further and further towards an entity with some vested interest of some kind. Of course that leaves the questions of what and why, doesn't it?

Every time I think I've come up with something of substance, it turns out to be more complications of the entire thing.

Speaking of which, I wish somebody would gag the Ancient Astronaut crowd. It's bad enough that people like the Egyptians left conflicting information in different places. Then along comes those characters playing it on both ends. How to find accurate information after they've .................... you know. Exasperating. No wonder scientists have taken to hiding their papers eh?


We are on the same page here. What do you think of Dr Vallee's Control System Hypothesis proposed in Invisible College, Messengers Of Deception, and Dimensions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallee
"Vallée proposes that there is a genuine UFO phenomenon, partly associated with a form of non-human consciousness that manipulates space and time. The phenomenon has been active throughout human history, and seems to masquerade in various forms to different cultures. In his opinion, the intelligence behind the phenomenon attempts social manipulation by using deception on the humans with whom they interact."
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Feb 15th, 2012, 12:20am

It appears he has not stuck to any single hypothesis, but changed views and opinion as he acquired new material. I think that's very good. Most of these people build a real rut.

I agree with his concept of reported ETs not being compatible with life that evolved on a planet.

However, I found a picture in an encyclopedia the other day that looked interesting. It was an individual who tried to hide in a bathtub during the firestorm from the bombing of Dresden. They were dead natch, but the body was so dehydrated it looked like half a human. The skin was darker than normal, rough, cracked, and pulled very tight around the face. As a result, they were 'popeyed'. The dehydration effect shrunk the limbs, and, well, you get the picture. They almost looked like a Grey. Ya think? It was an old Funk and Wagnalls, so you might check those if you're near one. Dresden, bombing of. It's worth a look. Might the Greys be the result of a body somebody saw that had been through something similar?

Moving on, I'm going to have to read more on and by this person. I like the fact his ideas evolve with his information. Probably because this happens to me constantly. I think I flip flop on my specific idea of an ancient lost civilization weekly anymore, as so much material is emerging regarding this concept these days. It seems some archaeologists agree after all. Now to just keep the Ancient Aliens people out of the original material long enough to compile uncontaminated copies .................

I think he's onto something. What I don't know. His ideas are a work in progress. That's good. Somebody actually updates their concepts like I do.

Makes me feel more confident. wink
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Feb 15th, 2012, 12:27pm

on Feb 15th, 2012, 12:20am, icepick wrote:
It appears he has not stuck to any single hypothesis, but changed views and opinion as he acquired new material. I think that's very good. Most of these people build a real rut.

I agree with his concept of reported ETs not being compatible with life that evolved on a planet.

However, I found a picture in an encyclopedia the other day that looked interesting. It was an individual who tried to hide in a bathtub during the firestorm from the bombing of Dresden. They were dead natch, but the body was so dehydrated it looked like half a human. The skin was darker than normal, rough, cracked, and pulled very tight around the face. As a result, they were 'popeyed'. The dehydration effect shrunk the limbs, and, well, you get the picture. They almost looked like a Grey. Ya think? It was an old Funk and Wagnalls, so you might check those if you're near one. Dresden, bombing of. It's worth a look. Might the Greys be the result of a body somebody saw that had been through something similar?

Moving on, I'm going to have to read more on and by this person. I like the fact his ideas evolve with his information. Probably because this happens to me constantly. I think I flip flop on my specific idea of an ancient lost civilization weekly anymore, as so much material is emerging regarding this concept these days. It seems some archaeologists agree after all. Now to just keep the Ancient Aliens people out of the original material long enough to compile uncontaminated copies .................

I think he's onto something. What I don't know. His ideas are a work in progress. That's good. Somebody actually updates their concepts like I do.

Makes me feel more confident. wink


Unfortunately I think he's done with publishing books and is only interested behind the scenes these days.
He has said for many years that there are too many crackpots and others messing up the waters of real investigative science and clouding up the issues into 'skepdics and bleevers'.
He had me hooked with his book The Invisible College. I read his earlier ones and then all the new ones as they came out. What I like, as you mentioned, is that he's not afraid to adjust his ideas as needed.
Have you ever read The Eigth Tower by Keel and Daimonic Reality by Harpur? They both have similar ideas to Vallee though coming at it from a slightly different angle.
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Feb 15th, 2012, 2:07pm

icepick,
Thought you might like this or find it interesting if you haven't already read it.
It's a 'white paper' on alien intervention in mankind's past and it's ramifications if true. He supports that model proposed by Sitchin, Pye, and others. I had forgotten about this since I read it some years back.

http://www.neilfreer.com/SRPAGE23.html
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Feb 15th, 2012, 4:39pm

Interesting, but have you read it recently Wu? It's full of flawed concepts, most notably Nibiru/Planet X which would have to reside hundreds of AUs further out in the solar system than humanoids could survive. Or carbon based life for that matter.

That said, there is mention of something which is probably legitimate in it. The Sumerians were ancestors to the Hebrews, meaning it was here that the story of the Fallen Angels and the Nephilim took place. He chose to completely change or confuse this story though, and I wonder if personal beliefs played a role?

I would, and do, see it as legitimate like this: I'm sure you're aware of this story? The Fallen Angels were sent to Earth originally to watch over man, and instruct him in proper ways of leading their lives? Man was an engineered or created life form which was to eventually be 'special'. The Fallen Angels got into trouble first, because they chose to mix with human females. The DNA apparently was not totally compatible, and they produced a large (giant) 7 to 9 or 10 foot offspring of questionable temperament as a result.

This group got into further trouble because some of them decided to do more than teach a philosophical wisdom about life, and proceeded to advance technology at a more rapid rate. One of the primary technologies delivered was for weapons of war. And this is where they really blew it.

The various books tell of a war on Earth and a war in Heaven, which did not go well for the Fallen Angels and the Nephilim. A simplified explanation about how they were disposed of is offered, but it really sounds more like the phrase extreme prejudice applies here. But not all instances of these beings were removed, insinuating that they must have been here a very long time and were spread all over the planet.

Angel is simply an ancient Hebrew word meaning "God's Messenger". Might this translate in today's world as extraterrestrial? Of course this eventually leads to Noah, another story where you find many indications of it being highly condensed and simplified.

He also makes the mistake almost everybody in the Christian World did for centuries. Listening to the concept delivered by a man of Irish descent I believe, who counted the begats in Genesis and used that number to determine that the Earth is only 6k years old. You will find this number nowhere in the Bible or the Torah. It is a red herring. Some people ............ think they are so smart they outsmart themselves. In reality they were wrong all along. The begat counter falls very deep into this category.

Now, we have found a good number of those 7 to 9 foot skeletons. Science chose to hide them away in closets because they fit no known theory. To the credit of the scientific community, they have ceased to be so quick to dismiss the Jewish and Christian writings as myth in recent decades, and have started to investigate them where it seems they might apply. I'm sure they will get around to those skeletons as well pretty soon.

I also have issues with the concept of Sitchin being right and everyone else wrong as well. And I happen to remember one Sumerian legend about one of their instructors as well. He didn't come from the sky. Instead he was a bizarre half human, half fish creature. He came out of the sea every morning, and went back every night.

The Hebrews and Sumerians had the same stories pretty much. But if you remove the Annunaki, and insert the Fallen Angels and Nephilim, this concept does start to make sense. Not because of my beliefs, but because some corroborating evidence does exist, and the story fits much human nature as well. I'm willing to bet that if the author were to revisit this paper today, they would change a few things.

But it does seem as though he thinks along the right lines. This concept was probably the best available at the time is all. That's my $0.02 anyway.
Re: Political ET
Post by ZETAR on Feb 15th, 2012, 5:26pm

HEY ICEPICK,

EXCELLENT POST!

JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THERE ARE SOME WHO SAY THE "ILLUMINATI" ARE ACTIVELY DEALING WITH THOSE SKELETONS TO EXTRACT DNA TO CLONE/REGENERATE THE NEPHILIM...IT SEEMS THIS GROUP IS INTENT ON REVIVING THOSE COSMIC/HEAVENLY WEAPONS OF DESTRUCTION...GO FIGURE...
THOSE WEAPONS OR KNOWLEDGE IS THAT WHICH CREATED THIS RIFT...I THINK THERE WERE SOME WHOM STARTED TO THINK WITH THE RIGHT HEAD AND REALIZED THAT HEY...WE MAY HAVE CROSSED THE LINE AND WHAT MIGHT BE THE CONSEQUENCE(S)...WE JUST GOT KICKED OUT OF THE HEAVEN CLUB...GEEZ...WHAT'S NEXT?

SHALOM...ZETAR


Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Feb 15th, 2012, 11:28pm

on Feb 15th, 2012, 4:39pm, icepick wrote:
Interesting, but have you read it recently Wu? It's full of flawed concepts, most notably Nibiru/Planet X which would have to reside hundreds of AUs further out in the solar system than humanoids could survive. Or carbon based life for that matter.

That said, there is mention of something which is probably legitimate in it. The Sumerians were ancestors to the Hebrews, meaning it was here that the story of the Fallen Angels and the Nephilim took place. He chose to completely change or confuse this story though, and I wonder if personal beliefs played a role?

I would, and do, see it as legitimate like this: I'm sure you're aware of this story? The Fallen Angels were sent to Earth originally to watch over man, and instruct him in proper ways of leading their lives? Man was an engineered or created life form which was to eventually be 'special'. The Fallen Angels got into trouble first, because they chose to mix with human females. The DNA apparently was not totally compatible, and they produced a large (giant) 7 to 9 or 10 foot offspring of questionable temperament as a result.

This group got into further trouble because some of them decided to do more than teach a philosophical wisdom about life, and proceeded to advance technology at a more rapid rate. One of the primary technologies delivered was for weapons of war. And this is where they really blew it.

The various books tell of a war on Earth and a war in Heaven, which did not go well for the Fallen Angels and the Nephilim. A simplified explanation about how they were disposed of is offered, but it really sounds more like the phrase extreme prejudice applies here. But not all instances of these beings were removed, insinuating that they must have been here a very long time and were spread all over the planet.

Angel is simply an ancient Hebrew word meaning "God's Messenger". Might this translate in today's world as extraterrestrial? Of course this eventually leads to Noah, another story where you find many indications of it being highly condensed and simplified.

He also makes the mistake almost everybody in the Christian World did for centuries. Listening to the concept delivered by a man of Irish descent I believe, who counted the begats in Genesis and used that number to determine that the Earth is only 6k years old. You will find this number nowhere in the Bible or the Torah. It is a red herring. Some people ............ think they are so smart they outsmart themselves. In reality they were wrong all along. The begat counter falls very deep into this category.

Now, we have found a good number of those 7 to 9 foot skeletons. Science chose to hide them away in closets because they fit no known theory. To the credit of the scientific community, they have ceased to be so quick to dismiss the Jewish and Christian writings as myth in recent decades, and have started to investigate them where it seems they might apply. I'm sure they will get around to those skeletons as well pretty soon.

I also have issues with the concept of Sitchin being right and everyone else wrong as well. And I happen to remember one Sumerian legend about one of their instructors as well. He didn't come from the sky. Instead he was a bizarre half human, half fish creature. He came out of the sea every morning, and went back every night.

The Hebrews and Sumerians had the same stories pretty much. But if you remove the Annunaki, and insert the Fallen Angels and Nephilim, this concept does start to make sense. Not because of my beliefs, but because some corroborating evidence does exist, and the story fits much human nature as well. I'm willing to bet that if the author were to revisit this paper today, they would change a few things.

But it does seem as though he thinks along the right lines. This concept was probably the best available at the time is all. That's my $0.02 anyway.


No..haven't read it for a while, but I don't really buy into the ancient aliens in the Bible and other civilizations, etc theory anyway. I posted it for you. I don't think there is enough actual evidence to make that case and it's too speculative for me. Fun to read about though.
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Feb 16th, 2012, 12:13am

The ancient civilization concept has always stuck with me for a few reasons. Mainly because it would help to neatly explain so many things. I don't believe in jumping off cliffs either though. A concept needs to be viable to start with, and that dumps Nibiru. I prefer a concept comes from many sources as well, and I don't mean Darryl, my brother Darryl, and my other brother Darryl. Then I like to assess them myself of course.

There's actually a lot of things out there which sound suspiciously similar to the Fallen Angel/Nephilim story. But I don't really go for the Ancient Astronaut routine, which I think you're aware of. Some ETs undoubtedly got themselves involved in our business somewhere in the past, but not much, or not for long. We do seem to be an engineered species. And we both know there's something wrong with the official theory about Baalbeck, Lebanon. Personally, I think much of the Egyptian stuff is slightly suspect as well. If it weren't, we wouldn't see all those conflicting records from Ancient Egypt. But I'm not going any further than that with this one. Whether I see it as controversial or not, it is still accepted theory after all.

I hate to dis on Sitchin. I believe he truly thought he was right, and he did try to keep the record straight in his eyes anyway. But I've dabbled in Cosmology far too much to buy into planets careening around the solar system like bumper cars.

There is something to the thoughts the author had though. The Sumerians kept excellent records, and they handed many of the stories down to the Hebrews. All too detailed to be creative writing alone. They weren't prone to embellishment like the Egyptians either. I like that, because it does make it easier to trust at least one source from that era. That certainly doesn't stop the Ancient Alien crowd from tearing through their history with wild claims though. I really do wish they would contain themselves.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 1st, 2012, 4:30pm



These night vision UFO clips are interesting look at 2:41 and about 5:20 the 2 UFOs side by side.

I have seen a few of these night vision UFO clips and you would think that as soon as it is night all hell breaks loose and you get triangles and orbs everywhere. That can't be seen with the naked eye.

Some sort of cold war happening in the skies.



Im sure someone here might have a better idea of what is happening in these clips.

G


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 1st, 2012, 4:46pm

Weird a group looking at these



Ah yes and here is the old cold war stand off



I would really like some researchers on to this.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by magoollo on Mar 2nd, 2012, 03:59am

on Mar 1st, 2012, 4:46pm, GusB wrote:
Weird a group looking at these



Ah yes and here is the old cold war stand off



I would really like some researchers on to this.

G


Looks to be human reverse engineered anti gravity space planes probably the tr-3b or a derivative
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 2nd, 2012, 05:05am

on Mar 2nd, 2012, 03:59am, magoollo wrote:
Looks to be human reverse engineered anti gravity space planes probably the tr-3b or a derivative


Ah Mag

Long time no see.

Prove your statement.

The only way I could see your point of view is that the Russians or Chinese are confronting the US in space.

I simply don't think the they have the money.

I look forward to your reply.

Gsmiley
Re: Political ET
Post by Sam on Mar 2nd, 2012, 1:35pm

As the people study ufo usually narrowed on their shapes, then their conclusion would tend to be more political. Now I try to emphasize my research on their core, that may get a rational explanations?
Re: Political ET
Post by Erno86 on Mar 2nd, 2012, 3:21pm

I tend to believe, that the majority of other-worlder's, who visit our planet are non-political in nature. The ufonauts are probably a investigative group, concerned about our ability to destroy our planet Earth. In my opinion.... is that if the Earthling's have the ability to destroy all life on our planet, the ufonauts probably think that we can destroy all life on other planet's as well; so as to consider us as a threat.

If the human race survives long enough, Earthling's might have a chance to travel too other star system's, so the other-worlder's might be keeping a sharp eye on us; so to speak.
Re: Political ET
Post by pete4438 on Mar 3rd, 2012, 04:45am

When trying to research UFOs/ET I always try to work from the basis that first, 'what it can't be' then proceed to what it can be or may be.
I hope that makes sense.
Well anyway, it does to me.
Some very interesting clips there.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 3rd, 2012, 07:56am

on Mar 3rd, 2012, 04:45am, pete4438 wrote:
When trying to research UFOs/ET I always try to work from the basis that first, 'what it can't be' then proceed to what it can be or may be.
I hope that makes sense.
Well anyway, it does to me.
Some very interesting clips there.


I think you guys can do better. This stuff is far out.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 4th, 2012, 07:32am





G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 12th, 2012, 06:49am

I do enjoy connecting the dots so bare with me.

To continue with the night vision it would seem now very obvious that ET has some sort of cloaking device to make their craft invisible.

When looking at translucent UFOs that seem to be unsuccessfully trying to be invisible.

Sendai Japan
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/sendaijapansept2011.html



Columbian Translucent UFO
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/videocolombianews.html

Chilean UFO
http://ufodailynews.com/2012/chilean-general-unveils-amazing-ufo-photos/945/

A nice collection to ponder on.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 28th, 2012, 12:24am

Night vision again but in Queensland Australia

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/videoqueensland.html
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 28th, 2012, 4:45pm

I consider this to be important because just 5 years ago we were told that their was no evidence of life outside out own Earth. Very unlikely that intelligent life or advance societies exist at all.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/sci-tech/possible-life-on-100-planets-study-says-20120328-1vytq.html

This has changed to "They calculated that about 40 per cent of red dwarfs have super-earths - planets with masses between one and ten times that of Earth - in the not-too-close, not-too-distant zone where liquid water can exist."

We shall see how this develops.

G


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Apr 8th, 2012, 8:20pm

Disc-shaped Objects Seen Entering Pacific Ocean has a good photo of a USO.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/mag/040912.html

A number of years ago it was talked about how a spike at the front of a jet can increase the speed and reduce the friction.

I speculated that the US military had created a frequency that could replicate the spike and maybe reproduced in the sea.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by Skeptical on Apr 9th, 2012, 09:30am

on Mar 28th, 2012, 4:45pm, GusB wrote:
I consider this to be important because just 5 years ago we were told that their was no evidence of life outside out own Earth. Very unlikely that intelligent life or advance societies exist at all...


Please remember that this is all still speculation. We see evidence of rocky planets that could have liquid water and, hence, could harbor life. To date, however, there is no concrete evidence of either. That's not saying we won't eventually get that evidence - it's just not here yet.

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Apr 13th, 2012, 01:33am

See the link could be early human mutilations much like cow mutilations.


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Apr 15th, 2012, 8:35pm

Nice collections of UFOs that seemed to have happened during the month of February.



G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on May 12th, 2012, 6:02pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/mag/051412.html

The article about the abductions was very interesting as it seems to be a new message form ET. Take UFOs and Abductions seriously and investigate them properly in a open and scientific way.I would extend that to a disclosure of it on the world stage.

I think their are many problems with this argument. These ETs seems to lack the understanding of how offensive and abhorrent we find abductions. This leads to governments never admitting that they can't control these abductions or even lack the ability to protect its citizens from these event.

I doubt that humanity could focus better at trying to understand our position in the universe without a major UFO global event.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on May 12th, 2012, 9:54pm

on Apr 9th, 2012, 09:30am, Voidoid wrote:
Please remember that this is all still speculation. We see evidence of rocky planets that could have liquid water and, hence, could harbor life. To date, however, there is no concrete evidence of either. That's not saying we won't eventually get that evidence - it's just not here yet.


Pure speculation and incorrect assertions at that. I do believe that folks like Sagan clearly stated that it would be a near mathematical impossibility for ours to be the only intelligent life?

As you said, proof is the elephant in the room. Or mice in the hall considering the sheer number of planets found thus far. Not to mention the number of moons that may exist in habitable zones around those giant Jupiters? I agree with your points. Since you seem to have no response from others, I thought I would say so.

If we are patient, I'm comfortable that we won't have to speculate much longer. Yourself?
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on May 13th, 2012, 6:16pm

on May 12th, 2012, 9:54pm, icepick wrote:
Pure speculation and incorrect assertions at that. I do believe that folks like Sagan clearly stated that it would be a near mathematical impossibility for ours to be the only intelligent life?

As you said, proof is the elephant in the room. Or mice in the hall considering the sheer number of planets found thus far. Not to mention the number of moons that may exist in habitable zones around those giant Jupiters? I agree with your points. Since you seem to have no response from others, I thought I would say so.

If we are patient, I'm comfortable that we won't have to speculate much longer. Yourself?


Both comments are the mice in my head. Clearly there is life outside Earth somewhere in the Universe but not until their is absolute proof. But do we really need proof.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on May 13th, 2012, 6:31pm

We need that proof for one reason Gus. How will we know where and how to look if we don't at least have an idea about who and where they are? We are becoming extremely advanced in a big time hurry. With all the potential breakthroughs on the verge of emerging, how long before we launch a TRUE DEEP SPACE probe? The universe is a huge place and the curves which gravity wells produce in the continuum make vectors possibly infinite. Would it not be a good idea to know which direction to aim the navigational controls?

Not to mention avoiding contact with undesirable, aggressive species, or worse, possibly ticking somebody really powerful off? Yes, I do feel that proof is necessary. But possibly for reasons other than what you might think.

Consider this: what type of creatures are the most intelligent on our homeworld here?
Re: Political ET
Post by Skeptical on May 14th, 2012, 06:53am

I'm kind of with those who say it might not be such a bright idea to expose ourselves to other intelligences in the galaxy prematurely. Advanced technology and benevolence don't always go hand in hand. It wouldn't hurt us to lay low for a few hundred years.

My sister was reading a book recently called 1491 - about the Americas just before Columbus. The book suggests that, when the Europeans arrived, there were millions of people already living here and that, due to contact with unknown diseases, 90% of them died off. That is a staggering figure. Rushing into contact with off-world species before we're ready could easily have similar dire consequences.

FYI, here's the link to the book:

http://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Columbus/dp/1400032059/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336996503&sr=8-1
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on May 14th, 2012, 08:29am

I tend to agree with that opinion. The most intelligent species are usually predators. Even the other primates on this rock which are primarily herbivorous, are omnivorous enough to need good hunting skills. And of course you have us, the only primate which is primarily carnivorous. We are definitely from predator stock.

Any species with predator type genes would definitely be something a wise person would approach with caution. And we haven't even discussed your pathogen point yet. I see little reason for extraterrestrials to be aggressive in nature when you consider how advanced a star traveling species would have to be. But that advancement represents one more reason to proceed with caution in my book. Nothing worse than tangling with somebody who could KO you in the first round, is there?
Re: Political ET
Post by Travelinman on May 14th, 2012, 09:29am

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread452837/pg1
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A poster Phage on ATS summed it up nicely on a very similar thread I authored cautioning on blasting beacons like a boom box to space. I believe the Russians own ceti groups have done so.

We become the eatees (ets )get it? grin
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread452837/pg1
This is true whether its bacteria or virus or their precursors , which we can't prevent from comets or meteors, that may make it to the ground, notwithstanding the high temps on entry, or an intelligent, more technically advanced life form.

We like to say the universe is teeming with billions of lifeforms, and if the adage so above so below has meaning here, then we can visualize the same rules of predator -prey process from microbial to complex organism is played out and a grander scale as well each element seeking an advantage for its own edge in propagation.

Several types of bacteria are in the human body, and it was shown, that even they secret chemicals to keep other bacteria away. Just automatic,,no thought as we know it involved..the effect being of course domination of that food source, maybe at best for us a symbiotic relationship, like the pilot fish on a shark..or the same bacteria in our entrails that produce vitamin K useful for the clotting process, as I remember from old JR High School biology.

If nature teaches us from the behaviours of the smallest smallest, to our own history of for the last ten thousand of years, maybe longer, then we should be extra extra careful.

Sadly, with the new techs of detecting NEOsor asteroids, on a 24/7 basis we may now have little choice but be heard was also pointed out on that thread.









Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on May 14th, 2012, 12:50pm

Yes Sys, we are going to be heard no matter what now. Our oldest radio signals are nearly 100 light years out there and continuing on. That covers a fair number of star systems, does it not?

But we just might have the benefit of being difficult to spot. Scientists think that our model here on Earth is probably a major oddity for advanced life. Without our moon, life on this rock would probably be pretty simple. And by every law on the books, a moon the size of ours should neither be this close to the center of a solar system, nor orbiting a planet just four times larger than it is.

The most common model for life like ours is probably on the moons of gas giants which are in the habitable zone of their solar system. That would satisfy the tidal requirements for an environment stable enough to support advanced life.

In other words, we may be hiding in plain sight here. Many extraterrestrial races might ignore this system altogether, because it doesn't match the primary model.

However, we are now making so much noise that such a scenario won't hold for long. Best get to work on the deflector shields, Phasers, and Photon Torpedos just in case. Same old story, better safe than sorry.

And a silent prayer for all our ETs to be benevolent. laugh
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on May 16th, 2012, 6:20pm



A good collection in 2012. It shows NASA being very active in space.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on May 30th, 2012, 8:59pm

Ships around Earth is very interesting as this vid will show a ship transforming from small to large or more likely could be a side view turning to a top view in space.



Only time will tell unfortunately.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on May 30th, 2012, 11:30pm

Interesting that this guy can capture ET craft with his homemade telescopes when thousands of astronomers globally both pros and amateurs seem to be unable to see these things and take the same pics.
And one wonders why so many people think the ufo field is bogus and full of hoaxers and fools.

rolleyes
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on May 31st, 2012, 01:37am

These things only serve to block investigation into places where it is needed. Regarding the past as much or more than the present or future.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on May 31st, 2012, 03:00am

on May 30th, 2012, 11:30pm, drwu23 wrote:
Interesting that this guy can capture ET craft with his homemade telescopes when thousands of astronomers globally both pros and amateurs seem to be unable to see these things and take the same pics.
And one wonders why so many people think the ufo field is bogus and full of hoaxers and fools.

rolleyes


Yes shouldn't MUFON be looking into this or even BJ who owns this forum?

G
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on May 31st, 2012, 10:18am

on May 31st, 2012, 03:00am, GusB wrote:
Yes shouldn't MUFON be looking into this or even BJ who owns this forum?

G


I wouldn't trust MUFON to find their car keys under the street lamp and I don't know enough about BJ.
My point is that if this guy can do this then where are all the other astronomers about this who take pics all the time day in and day out?
Is it possible that this guy is a hoaxer or taking pictures that are just out of focus artifacts?
Re: Political ET
Post by Erno86 on May 31st, 2012, 4:48pm

Based on my own other-worlder Foofighter sighting, back one night, approx. 40 miles west of Washington D.C., in Nov., 1976 --- I was coming home to Maryland in a full windowed Ford van, on a divided highway after we completed a survey expedition; after staking out a railroad track to a coal strip mine in West Virginia.

I would tend to say that most other-worlder starship sighting's --- only last about: 1 to 5 seconds of duration to the witness, unless the object is hovering or has landed; which is few and far between. This duration, for the majority of people, is way too fast for the witness to whip out a camera and take a picture. The other-worlder's...do not want to act like sitting-ducks, waiting for someone to take a pot-shot at one of there starship's --- that's for sure.


Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on May 31st, 2012, 7:39pm

As if they would have anything to fear Erno. Besides, we have miles of film of the Foo Fighters. Literally. Everytime a fighter pilot arms their weapons, the cameras roll. And many pilots tried to shoot one down during WWII, but only one B-29 gunner succeeded.

If you want to see video of bona fide UFOs, head for the old War Department Archives and scoff these hoaxsters. I believe Wu's point is something along these lines. And mine is that we have all kinds of video available, but not one of these jokers is screaming to see it. Why not?
Re: Political ET
Post by Skeptical on Jun 1st, 2012, 10:34am

Ice - have you ever seen any original source material regarding the B-29 gunner who supposedly shot-down a foo-fighter? I see what appears to be the same vague reference on wiki and other places but nothing more than that. Are we sure this incident really occurred?
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Jun 1st, 2012, 1:15pm

Regarding 'foos'....I was always under the impression they were relatively small balls of light and not craft shaped. And I don't think I have ever seen any actual footage.
Re: Political ET
Post by Erno86 on Jun 1st, 2012, 3:27pm

on Jun 1st, 2012, 1:15pm, drwu23 wrote:
Regarding 'foos'....I was always under the impression they were relatively small balls of light and not craft shaped. And I don't think I have ever seen any actual footage.


Some reports of "foo balls" are smallish in diameter, other reports label them as quite huge ---"big as the harvest moon" --- in the perspective of looking at our moon from Earth. The Foofighter I witnessed was about 1 mile away --- approx. 700 to 1,000 feet in diameter. It was the most beautiful object that I have ever seen in my entire life.

I am willing to assume.... that the starship is encased inside the fiery fusion plasma of the Foofighter. Their has to be two magnetic shield's for the Foofighter to function properly. One reason... is to protect the saucer from the fusion plasma, the other, is the outer magnetic shield too contain the fusion plasma.
Re: Political ET
Post by Erno86 on Jun 1st, 2012, 3:49pm

I speculate...that the fusion plasma is needed --- besides for offensive and defensive operations --- for fuel for the photon engine, when little or no starlight photons are present for the photon receptor to feed the photons to the heart of the photon engine; that expells them with tremendous thrust.

Seawater is injected outside the inner magnetic shield. The outer magnetic shield presses upon the seawater against the inner magnetic shield with extreme pressure till the duterium atoms in the seawater have there protons fuse together, thus releasing photons; as in the fusion process.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jun 6th, 2012, 02:35am

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/sci-tech/x37b-is-this-operation-bewilder-the-chinese-20120606-1zvk5.html

I thought this was interesting as it looks like to be the first stage of dormant space drones, to be used when called upon.

You could have a fleet of Space drones with what ever weaponry you can imagine in orbit indefinitely depending on how space effects the technology.

The space race is back on.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Jun 6th, 2012, 11:52am

on Jun 1st, 2012, 3:27pm, Erno86 wrote:
Some reports of "foo balls" are smallish in diameter, other reports label them as quite huge ---"big as the harvest moon" --- in the perspective of looking at our moon from Earth. The Foofighter I witnessed was about 1 mile away --- approx. 700 to 1,000 feet in diameter. It was the most beautiful object that I have ever seen in my entire life.

I am willing to assume.... that the starship is encased inside the fiery fusion plasma of the Foofighter. Their has to be two magnetic shield's for the Foofighter to function properly. One reason... is to protect the saucer from the fusion plasma, the other, is the outer magnetic shield too contain the fusion plasma.


How do you know that what you 'saw' was a 'foo fighter,' and where are you getting all this other info from about fusion plasma and magnetic shields?
Are you personal friends with the aliens? No offense but comments like these are what give skeptics and others the reason to think that many in the ufo arena are not playing with a full deck.
wink
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Jun 6th, 2012, 11:54am

on Jun 1st, 2012, 3:49pm, Erno86 wrote:
I speculate...that the fusion plasma is needed --- besides for offensive and defensive operations --- for fuel for the photon engine, when little or no starlight photons are present for the photon receptor to feed the photons to the heart of the photon engine; that expells them with tremendous thrust.

Seawater is injected outside the inner magnetic shield. The outer magnetic shield presses upon the seawater against the inner magnetic shield with extreme pressure till the duterium atoms in the seawater have there protons fuse together, thus releasing photons; as in the fusion process.


Again where are you getting this stuff from...?
Are the aliens sending you schematics or something..?

huh
Re: Political ET
Post by Erno86 on Jun 6th, 2012, 5:57pm

on Jun 6th, 2012, 11:54am, drwu23 wrote:
Again where are you getting this stuff from...?
Are the aliens sending you schematics or something..?

huh


I'm getting this "stuff" from my speculation's of how a starship functions in Earth's atmosphere from my UFO sighting's one night, back in Nov. 1976.

How do I know it was a foofighter? Because of it's other-worldly appearance and flight antic's.

In fact...I want to be a builder of an interstellar starship myself --- and I believe that I'am on the right track; thanks to the other-worlder's who lead as examples too follow.
Re: Political ET
Post by Erno86 on Jun 6th, 2012, 6:17pm

on Jun 6th, 2012, 11:52am, drwu23 wrote:
How do you know that what you 'saw' was a 'foo fighter,' and where are you getting all this other info from about fusion plasma and magnetic shields?
Are you personal friends with the aliens? No offense but comments like these are what give skeptics and others the reason to think that many in the ufo arena are not playing with a full deck.
wink


If I stated... that I'am "personal friends with the alien's," could give the United States government a reason too prosecute me under Federal law that bans such activity.
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Jun 6th, 2012, 10:18pm

on Jun 6th, 2012, 6:17pm, Erno86 wrote:
If I stated... that I'am "personal friends with the alien's," could give the United States government a reason too prosecute me under Federal law that bans such activity.



laugh
Re: Political ET
Post by HAL9000 on Jun 7th, 2012, 05:58am

Erno86,

..In fact...I want to be a builder of an interstellar starship myself --- and I believe that I'am on the right track; thanks to the other-worlder's who lead as examples too follow. ..

Then Space-X should be knocking on your door any time now.

You know the old saying 'if you're so smart why aren't you rich ?'

Let me re-work it.

'If you know all this stuff as real, why aren't you working in some top of the range science lab with unlimited funding ?'

And if you are, why are you here posting on a ufo site ?

HAL
Re: Political ET
Post by Erno86 on Jun 7th, 2012, 5:09pm

on Jun 7th, 2012, 05:58am, HAL9000 wrote:
Erno86,

..In fact...I want to be a builder of an interstellar starship myself --- and I believe that I'am on the right track; thanks to the other-worlder's who lead as examples too follow. ..

Then Space-X should be knocking on your door any time now.

You know the old saying 'if you're so smart why aren't you rich ?'

Let me re-work it.

'If you know all this stuff as real, why aren't you working in some top of the range science lab with unlimited funding ?'

And if you are, why are you here posting on a ufo site ?

HAL


Because...I want to be the first person in recorded history too try to explain the ins and outs of flying saucer propulsion correctly. I'm getting old... thus, I want to pass down my theory's to the next generation; if possible. That's why I like to discuss and trade secret's about UFO's on discussion forums, such as this one. Also...I'm looking for people who have had the same UFO sighting's as I've had --- that reassures me --- that they are still out-there.

In order to build a starship --- "It's got to be a global aspiration," said former astronaut Mae Jemison, who will head the effort to gather ideas, money and public enthusiasm for a leap into space. "The dreamers at DARPA {Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency,} a few weeks ago announced an award of $500,000 to Jemison to launch an effort to --- someday --- send explorers to another star system.

It's a huge job, impractical with existing technology. That's why the 100 Year Starship Study will start by building a community of space enthusiasts, engineers, technologists, futurists, scientists and dreamers to chip away at a panoply of technical, financial and social challenges --- while seeking funds to keep the effort afloat."

Quotes: Washington Post, Wed., May 23, 2012, by Brian Vastag
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Jun 7th, 2012, 11:06pm

on Jun 7th, 2012, 5:09pm, Erno86 wrote:
Because...I want to be the first person in recorded history too try to explain the ins and outs of flying saucer propulsion correctly. I'm getting old... thus, I want to pass down my theory's to the next generation; if possible. That's why I like to discuss and trade secret's about UFO's on discussion forums, such as this one. Also...I'm looking for people who have had the same UFO sighting's as I've had --- that reassures me --- that they are still out-there.

In order to build a starship --- "It's got to be a global aspiration," said former astronaut Mae Jemison, who will head the effort to gather ideas, money and public enthusiasm for a leap into space. "The dreamers at DARPA {Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency,} a few weeks ago announced an award of $500,000 to Jemison to launch an effort to --- someday --- send explorers to another star system.

It's a huge job, impractical with existing technology. That's why the 100 Year Starship Study will start by building a community of space enthusiasts, engineers, technologists, futurists, scientists and dreamers to chip away at a panoply of technical, financial and social challenges --- while seeking funds to keep the effort afloat."

Quotes: Washington Post, Wed., May 23, 2012, by Brian Vastag


Just curious but do you have any actual scientific training or specific skills that would allow any of your ideas to be valid on a practical level?
And your stance on abduction and other ufo beliefs might hamper your entry into that skill set.
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Jun 8th, 2012, 01:47am

on Jun 1st, 2012, 10:34am, Voidoid wrote:
Ice - have you ever seen any original source material regarding the B-29 gunner who supposedly shot-down a foo-fighter? I see what appears to be the same vague reference on wiki and other places but nothing more than that. Are we sure this incident really occurred?


No, I haven't. But like you I have read this reference for years. Even before the internet. So I'm assuming there's something to it.

Originally I had but a modest interest in Foo Fighters. But in the late 1970s I discovered that they had been seen by pilots from both sides, in every theater of the war. It wasn't until later in the war that these reports out of Europe were taken seriously by an American USAAF commander. Worried about a new German weapon, he managed to get an investigation going on the matter. At that point, the reports from remote areas were discovered. Even one came out of Burma. Fortunately, both the RAF and USAAF were keeping all film footage from gun cameras the entire war, so the reports were verifiable. Fighter pilots were constantly trying to shoot these things down without having any luck. After the war it was discovered that Axis pilots and commanders thought they were an Allied secret weapon. Up until I read about that, I had suspected an aerial mine the Germans were working on.

They filed away every little piece of information in that investigation. Reports, gun camera film, everything. They still have those files somewhere, gun camera footage included.

Why this information is so hard to find after all these years is anybody's guess. But it is out there. Maybe there really was a secret weapons program underway by one side, which wasn't developed for decades. Recently concluded weapons research would be one reason for all the secrecy. Of course ET could be another. One thing I'm not going to do is take a shot at who or what this may have been without seeing better pictures than the grainy ones war correspondents riding in bombers snapped in low light, from a vibrating plane. I want to see the good stuff first. The gun camera footage. Knowing the military no better than I do, I realize that these files probably fill a small warehouse somewhere.

Tim
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Jun 8th, 2012, 02:03am

on Jun 1st, 2012, 1:15pm, drwu23 wrote:
Regarding 'foos'....I was always under the impression they were relatively small balls of light and not craft shaped. And I don't think I have ever seen any actual footage.


Always a ball, but the sizes varied quite a bit. There's even a report about one appearing inside a bomber once. There's no way to prove that one of course, but the crew was so shaken up that they were taken seriously. There was a lot of research for years, trying to figure out what they were. As far as I know, it's still a mystery.

You can find a few pictures on the net which claim to be gun camera footage, but I don't buy it. I've never seen any gun camera footage, and I've searched for years. On top of that, these were stills, which is suspicious enough. As far as I know, the only available pictures are the grainy ones taken by war correspondents in very poor light.

In my opinion, the Foo Fighters are in the top five possible real deal phenomena of all time where UFOs are concerned. I've read everything I've ever been able to find since the 70s. If there is one thing above all others I'd like to see from UFO evidence known to exist, I would choose the gun camera footage of the Foo Fighters without any hesitation. Why it remains locked away and classified all these years seems like a mystery in itself, does it not?

Tim
Re: Political ET
Post by HAL9000 on Jun 8th, 2012, 06:01am

Erno86,

...Because...I want to be the first person in recorded history too try to explain the ins and outs of flying saucer propulsion correctly. I'm getting old... thus, I want to pass down my theory's to the next generation; if possible. That's why I like to discuss and trade secret's about UFO's on discussion forums, such as this one. Also...I'm looking for people who have had the same UFO sighting's as I've had --- that reassures me --- that they are still out-there....

you have a problem here. you write as if you have the actual knowledge, then you say you wish to pass on your theory. So, which is it ? Fact or theory ?

If it's fact, How do you know ?

If it's theory then you need to give much more detailed explanations.

There are lots of people on this and other ufo sites that have an idea on how these things work. So you need to be able to give some pretty solid descriptions .

I look forward to reading more from you on this .

HAL

p.s. Have you ever heard of Stan Meyer ?



Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jun 8th, 2012, 7:22pm

Hi Guys I feel like my thread is being taken over by an unending argument about Ernos opinion. Erno I think it would be better if you started your own thread.

I like to focus on collected research from a number of sources and speculation/effects of ET space politics.

for example this WTF http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/i10footage.html which came from this footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCEm636-0bI

I would rather discuss this as there are many Americans here on this forum.

Also what is going on with these missiles from the USA Russia and China. Why are they going off track and going into spirals. What would ET think looking at these and could ET be interfering with them.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/middleeastlight.html

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Jun 8th, 2012, 11:24pm

on Jun 8th, 2012, 7:22pm, GusB wrote:
Hi Guys I feel like my thread is being taken over by an unending argument about Ernos opinion. Erno I think it would be better if you started your own thread.


You know there wouldn't be these 'unending' arguments about Ernos opinions if he would state that they are just his opinions.
The problem is he says them like they are fact.

rolleyes

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jun 23rd, 2012, 7:36pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/mag/062512.html

I would say that their is a link between the UFO in the Netherlands and the UFO seen in Joplin, Missouri.

So is this some sort of ET containment of Earth? It no longer seems to be observer UFO Foo Fighters seen during WWII.

They penetrate US and European air space that seems to be on the ground a deliberate act of antagonism.

The motives behind this is difficult to comprehend.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 4th, 2012, 7:52pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/laredovideo.html

Again the infer red camera is showing things that need to be investigated.

What I think needs to be done is a large group of people need to go to these sights and shine lasers around these objects to make contact.

It will be interesting to see how this develops.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 13th, 2012, 7:26pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/documentsa70.html

one of the aliens spoke to him and said: “Sanctuary – we are here already and we are coming here.”

Interesting.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by Viperone on Jul 13th, 2012, 11:33pm

on Jul 16th, 2010, 10:17pm, GusB wrote:
Political ET

Im restarting my old thread I had here years ago due to recent events.

What I currently find fascinating is the amount of disinformation coming from civilian and military sources. At time's it is mind boggling and seriously looks like well developed hoaxes.

Other commentators in the UFO field also seem either to believe everything that is published on the internet eg Serpo, Source A and Drone sagas. These stories put the UFO community in a bind that went around in circles for years all of which none was verified or proven.

I would like to get back to the hard facts to what it is that we really know, which is not much.

In no particular order.

*UFOs are currently visiting Earth and seemed to be very focused in the region of Texas in the USA.

*The USA and their high tech aircraft simply can not keep up with these UFO's.

*Due to numerous abductions around the world describing an ET that we call the Greys. These Greys show little or no emotion and seem to have complete disregard for human rights.

*The American Government and Nasa seem to be unable or unwilling to release what they know.

Mankind could not handle that ET exists at present. Say ET might share their technology with us if we keep their secrets as long as possible. Look at other countries wanting the technology also, it could start a war. Now think if ET is our forefathers Gods in the past and revered as such. The muslims would start a war if they found out Mohamad is a ET. The government has done everything in their power to keep UFOs secret...WHY?.. Theres a reason they exist, they are here, and protected from harm from us. That would make more sense than any other ideas about UFOs. The UFO secrecy is more intense than anything to do with nuclear power. Why?
All pertinant information pictures videos and trace evidence is placed in a secrecy mode that is way beyond what it is needed to be. All with above top secret cant be desimited under freedom of information act.
President Reagan enacted this information on UFOs was disclosed to him and he acted with an exucutive order making disclosure ever more difficult. After he did his ET speech I belive he was brought into the loop and all of a sudden all UFO talk died down. Coincidence once but countless times it is a cover up .

GB

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 16th, 2012, 02:33am

on Jul 16th, 2010, 10:17pm, GusB wrote:
Political ET

Im restarting my old thread I had here years ago due to recent events.

What I currently find fascinating is the amount of disinformation coming from civilian and military sources. At time's it is mind boggling and seriously looks like well developed hoaxes.

Other commentators in the UFO field also seem either to believe everything that is published on the internet eg Serpo, Source A and Drone sagas. These stories put the UFO community in a bind that went around in circles for years all of which none was verified or proven.

I would like to get back to the hard facts to what it is that we really know, which is not much.

In no particular order.

*UFOs are currently visiting Earth and seemed to be very focused in the region of Texas in the USA.

*The USA and their high tech aircraft simply can not keep up with these UFO's.

*Due to numerous abductions around the world describing an ET that we call the Greys. These Greys show little or no emotion and seem to have complete disregard for human rights.

*The American Government and Nasa seem to be unable or unwilling to release what they know.

GB


on Jul 13th, 2012, 11:33pm, Viperone wrote:
Mankind could not handle that ET exists at present. Say ET might share their technology with us if we keep their secrets as long as possible. Look at other countries wanting the technology also, it could start a war. Now think if ET is our forefathers Gods in the past and revered as such. The muslims would start a war if they found out Mohamad is a ET. The government has done everything in their power to keep UFOs secret...WHY?.. Theres a reason they exist, they are here, and protected from harm from us. That would make more sense than any other ideas about UFOs. The UFO secrecy is more intense than anything to do with nuclear power. Why?
All pertinant information pictures videos and trace evidence is placed in a secrecy mode that is way beyond what it is needed to be. All with above top secret cant be desimited under freedom of information act.
President Reagan enacted this information on UFOs was disclosed to him and he acted with an exucutive order making disclosure ever more difficult. After he did his ET speech I belive he was brought into the loop and all of a sudden all UFO talk died down. Coincidence once but countless times it is a cover up.


Just need to clarify your post Vip.

GB smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 19th, 2012, 03:28am



I dont think it is a portal into deep space as their is no proof to that and I consider it speculation.

What ever it is it is very odd looking.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by ZETAR on Jul 19th, 2012, 04:16am

HEY GUS...

IF YOU GO TO MY THREAD ON THE LATEST UFO SIGHTINGS AND THEN TO..."HEY...IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS"....YOU WILL SEE THE SAME MULTI COLORED PULSATING OBJECT...THE DARK IMAGE IN THE CENTER IS NOT THERE...BUT THE PRIMARY PULSATING OBJECT IS.
MOREOVER A PREVIOUS MOD NEPHELIM AND I STOPPED AND STARTED THIS VIDEO SEVERAL TIMES AND FOUND SOME MOST UNIQUE FORMATIONS AS THE PULSE WAS INTERUPTED...STOPPED...STARTED...AND IN SLOW MOTION...
FURTHERMORE,THE OTHER SMALLER ORB WITH AN EYE LOOK TO IT...LIKE AN ORB WITH A PUPIL AND ADDITIONALLY CHANGED COLORS FROM BLUE TO RED ...ALSO MULTIPLIED IN NUMBER...WAS PHOTOGRAPHED AND VIDEOED AS WELL IN THE SAME THREAD...

CASEBOOK HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THE LEADING EDGE OF SUCH POSTS AND OBSERVATIONS!!!

YEAH....LAWWALK AND I BOTH HAVE BEEN LUCKY TO OBTAIN SOME INTERESTING AERIAL PHENOMENA...
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN FASCINATED WITH THE NIGHT SKY...IF ONE LOOKS AT IT LOOK ENOUGH...FROM CELESTIAL NAVIGATION TO INVESTIGATION...YOU BEGIN TO SEE SPECIFIC PATTERNS AS TO WHAT SHOULD BE THERE AND THAT WHICH SEEMS LIKE IT IS BLENDING IN...

I LOOK FORWARD TO POSTING SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS AND VIDEOS JUST FOR THE CURIOUS!!!

I'M FURTHER THANKFUL SO MUCH WORK WAS PUT IN BY LAWWALK...MOST ARE CLUELESS AS TO THE EFFORT AND TIME EXPENDED ON THOSE AERIAL SAFARIS

AN EXCELLENT POST BY THE WAY...KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK...

SHALOM...ZETAR
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 21st, 2012, 7:24pm

1979 - Military Pilot Photographs UFO over Italy http://www.ufocasebook.com/mag/072312.html

WOW what a photo, it reminds of this



It would seem that their must be hundreds of films like these by intercepting jets with camera's. Its a pity we never get to see more of this sort of footage.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 22nd, 2012, 7:47pm



Some silly things are said but there are some very interesting circles or what looks to be landing pads. Give's a indication on what could be the size of these craft. eg football field size plus plus.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 30th, 2012, 10:24pm

7th of June 2012 from Russia 3 different views.

I would have to say that there is a lot happening in space at the moment. The question remains why?








Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 30th, 2012, 10:37pm

This could be the reason below.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a4d_1339149495

About 10 hours ago, Russia successfully launched a new generation of Topol-M series ICBM.
RS-12M has defensive capabilities to avoid interception after launch, mid flight and re-entry. It's designed to avoid defensive missiles on it's way to target.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 4th, 2012, 7:20pm

X-Files released in Australia

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/secret-ufo-files-released-20120804-23mhq.html

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 19th, 2012, 9:05pm

Well I ll be a monkeys uncle I think I saw my first UFO yesterday at 12:30pm 19th of August 2012 in Northern NSW Australia and it looked exactly like this.



Well that was cool.

G smiley huh
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Aug 19th, 2012, 9:20pm

That's cool Gus. But couldn't the guy in Vegas use a better zoom in this day and age? Not to mention the finger on the lens. I couldn't see much more than a silver glint. I'm sure yours was better though? After all, you didn't have the freaking camera limitations to deal with.

I grabbed the wife's point and shoot to get a shot of the moon the other night. At 4x it looked like a butter bean or something. Next time I going back inside to get my old fashioned film 35MM.

Tim
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Aug 19th, 2012, 9:22pm

By the way, don't mind me. I'm just ranting about the cameras that keep getting used in these sightings. People should buy a better phone or something. wink

Tim
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 19th, 2012, 9:42pm

LOL, sure.... I didn't even have a camera.

Could it of been the ISS?

G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Aug 19th, 2012, 10:18pm

No, it was too close for that. I do wish people would buy better cameras though. Not all of those shots are bogus. My old 35 does a great job. I'm going to have to figure the point and shoot world out.

Tim
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 19th, 2012, 10:20pm

Hey I just found this amazing clip. Be warned a little bit of swearing.



WOW the chopper goes around the UFO amazing.

We may be looking at some sort of count down to 1st contact.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 4th, 2012, 7:22pm

I recall an abductee saying that the Grey ETs warned us about Artificial Intelligence (AI) and that it can turn on us. It sounds very Terminator but I just read this article.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/computer-panic-why-you-should-take-stock-20120902-2588y.html

It talked about computer panic on the stock exchange which Im sure would not be great and could have serious repercussions to the world economy. We could be seeing just that happening right now.

Could an AI computer panic if it felt like it was threatened and had control over drones.

I think so but only time will tell.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 6th, 2012, 6:01pm

Well here is the proof that things can go bad

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-gongloff/knight-capital-trading-glitch_b_1733354.html

It not AI but it is a program that is making some very big decisions on our behalf.

Clearly things can go wrong.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Sep 11th, 2012, 12:25am

Ah now, $440 Million is just a drop in the bucket, isn't it? cheesy

Better them than me is all I have to say.

Automation of the poorly done variety is one of the worst things going in my opinion. It would be nice if factories would do away with their robots as well, except labor unions priced themselves out of the market. Why nobody has figured out that the only available option for companies in competitive markets is to pass the cost along to the customer is beyond me.

I think we've done this to ourselves. We have laws to protect us from this kind of lunacy, but they don't enforce them, so nobody screams about it. The squeaky wheels get all the grease, and nobody is squeakier than special interests. As a result, I'm not surprised things are this way. Look at the current presidential election. All the further you need go for an example. The incumbent has fallen on his face repeatedly, promises to do exactly the same thing, but everybody says he's a cinch for reelection. If people are really that gullible today? We deserve what we get. People need to wake up and realize there's this thing called rights, else there won't be pretty soon. Make enough noise about these things and they'll address it, but not before.

Tim
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 22nd, 2012, 7:27pm

on Aug 19th, 2012, 9:05pm, GusB wrote:
Well I ll be a monkeys uncle I think I saw my first UFO yesterday at 12:30pm 19th of August 2012 in Northern NSW Australia and it looked exactly like this.



Well that was cool.

G smiley huh


As you would know I believe in "When in doubt chuck it out" but for me I now have an interest in cigar shaped UFOs. Now the below Youtube clip could be a blimp but seeing these UFOs pop up on the internet is going to be fascinating to follow.



Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Sep 23rd, 2012, 05:12am

I still think that pilots are our best bet.Pilots that are sent up to chase ufos.Pilots that are sent up to investigate a ufo MUST be told certain things,such as what direction to take,what there looking for,and most importantly what action to take if they do get within range of one.I dont know why this has been ignored for so long,its been right under our noses all along. shocked
Re: Political ET
Post by PowerKnight on Sep 23rd, 2012, 1:07pm

Not forgetting airline pilots flying commercial flights including in many instances witnessed by the entire passenger`s on board. PowerKnight wink

Hi GusB, well done looks like genuine footage and a unusual object, if video had been available back in 76ish the object I saw would have bamboozled everyone, what a downer! PK wink
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Sep 23rd, 2012, 1:34pm

No Power,thats what everyone says,Im not talking about commercail pilots that have sightings but FIGHTER pilots that are sent up to chase off ufos,there the real deal,there not reporting something they saw,there not saying anything about what it was they saw or chased away,there the ones someone should follow up on.A book is waiting to be written by one of those pilots or someone who knows one of those pilots.
Re: Political ET
Post by PowerKnight on Sep 23rd, 2012, 2:39pm

Yes spot on it`s enough to create panic among not just the US military but other military powers across the world scrambling military fighter jets to investigate etc.
PowerKnight wink
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 23rd, 2012, 5:14pm

I am looking into a FOIA into cockpit films of F16's chasing UFOs in Australia. But unfortunately this may not be how the Australian Military responds to UFOs. I have been trying to find examples but can't find any.

It makes me think that the F16's that chased the UFO over Stephenville would have cockpit films of the event. A US citizen would be able to request a FOIA from the base that those jest chased.

There must be hundreds of these sort of films



G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Sep 24th, 2012, 03:56am

That would be wonderful Gus,but Im thinking it would be to much for the government to reveal,National Security would be hauled out for the umpteenth time and ,but what am I saying,go for it,nothing ventured nothing gained. I wonder what ever happend to Podesta,remember him? He was seen on YouTube,well here see for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb09vc8ZTZ0

I also am looking for footage I think I saw of Bob Lazar talking about "there was nothing to back engineer".I know there was a lot to question about this guy but that footage was intriguing to say the least.
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Sep 24th, 2012, 04:01am

That footage, thats of a plane being refuled isnt it? (Ive got the sound turned off as its a tad early here and my husband is sound asleep) Those cigar shaped ufos are a bit of a bafflement what are they used for,how do they land,no window,not brightly lit,whats with them? Btw,we keep saying the Air Force this and the Air Force that,I think its actually the Navy that conducts research on ufos.
Re: Political ET
Post by icepick on Sep 24th, 2012, 2:02pm

on Sep 23rd, 2012, 5:14pm, GusB wrote:
I am looking into a FOIA into cockpit films of F16's chasing UFOs in Australia. But unfortunately this may not be how the Australian Military responds to UFOs. I have been trying to find examples but can't find any.

It makes me think that the F16's that chased the UFO over Stephenville would have cockpit films of the event. A US citizen would be able to request a FOIA from the base that those jest chased.

There must be hundreds of these sort of films



G undecided


I hate to burst your bubble Gus, but you can't even get your hands on any of the gun camera footage for the Foo Fighters. I've tried. More than once. The reply is always the same. S I L E N C E. Getting towards the century mark like it is, would you not expect that footage to be available? Seems it may still be classified.

Tim
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 5th, 2012, 7:05pm

I found this interesting if more happen like it.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/asianmountain.html

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Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 13th, 2012, 5:03pm

Then there were 2

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/oregonoct6.html

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Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 14th, 2012, 06:44am

This is getting interesting

Another sighting of cigar shaped UFO you notice the slight gap in the middle.

See here Photos of UFO over Levittown, Pennsylvania
http://www.ufocasebook.com/mag/101512.html

It started to remind me of this photo you will see the same slight gap in the middle.

User Image

I bet that these guys will do a major fly over ever major city on Earth by the middle of next year.

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 22nd, 2012, 10:01pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/pikecoky.html

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/1988powayca.html



These UFOs have to start being seen in other countries than just America for it to gain any real traction in the global media.

I have to say I have my popcorn out smiley

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 22nd, 2012, 10:56pm

Wow ok then how about outside North America which includes Mexico.

Still chewing my popcorn lipsrsealed

G smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 20th, 2012, 12:38am

If these reports are correct and not false.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/mexicomultiple.html
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/8reports.html

This is a small taste of whats to come.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 3rd, 2012, 7:52pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/virgieupdate.html

These double cylinder shaped UFO's look like balloons.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 15th, 2012, 02:22am

2 similar UFOs seen in 2 different countries.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/scrantonpa.html

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/srilankanclaims.html

Interesting.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 15th, 2012, 4:23pm

I agree with you I'm just trying to keep an open mind if the UFO sightings shift in some way.

Thanks for the link by the way it was interesting to see someone in my area took photos of the same UFO I saw.



His was the 9th of January 2010 and mine was the 19th of August 2012.

G

That clearly is not the ISS right?
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 15th, 2012, 4:36pm

As for the Orbs I'm still holding my judgment. It was pointed out not long ago that triangle's that glows like an orb. Is in fact a shape created by a light source or star from the shutter shape of the camera.

So in saying that it is difficult to work out if it is a UFO, Star or satellite.

I would find it easier to look at if the observer would pull back a bit and explain the trajectory of the object.

In saying that their is a lot of them and can't be thrown out until a camera expert witness and observes something like this.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 15th, 2012, 6:01pm

on Dec 15th, 2012, 5:41pm, Dolf wrote:
GusB,


"Thanks for the link by the way it was interesting to see someone in my area took photos of the same UFO I saw."

No kidding! You're in the Gold Coast?!

I was there in 94 cheesy
Well, I spent most of the time in Byron Bay (NSW), very close to the Lighthouse, with friends that lived there, so it was my kind of temporary HQ, but traveled a bit around, including to the North (Queensland) up to the Sunshine Coast, as well as a bit to the south, up to Sydney.
Beautiful country, man!


"That clearly is not the ISS right?"

Guess definetely not cheesy


As for the "orbs" ("ships of light" as they are called), I've been wondering about those, and have an idea in mind of what that might be (not necessarily physical UFOs, and definetely not stars - even thought in many out of focus videos, it might indeed be the case, but in my opinion not in most of the videos on that link - satellites, or other similar "rational" explanations), but not yet enough data to mention that other hypothesis wink



Cheers!

Dolf


Yeah great place people were not surprised here when I saw my first UFO.

If fact bumped into person who has a close family member who works for the air force as a pilot in this area.

This is the second time I have heard that the Australian Air Force pilots are told that if they see UFOs to not go public about it. The reason they give is to not create panic.

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Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 16th, 2012, 05:59am

on Dec 15th, 2012, 7:18pm, Dolf wrote:
GusB,


"This is the second time I have heard that the Australian Air Force pilots are told that if they see UFOs to not go public about it. The reason they give is to not create panic."

As opposed to that policy, here (Portugal) there's an agreement between the Armed Forces, Police, etc, and a Civilian Research Institution, part of a University, and when there are official reports, they are (supposedely...) sent by the authorities to that Research Institution...

That "excuse" as "to not create panic" has been used for a long time, but IMHO that is totaly wrong! To keep people in the dark, not educating them, is in fact what might lead to make some people panic if/when the ETs openly land... So that policy will/would have the opposite effect of what is (allegedly) pretended it should have, therefore IMHO it's deeply wrong.


Cheers!

Dolf


I think you and I are on the same page.

Check this close up of the Cylinder UFO with the gap in the middle.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2012/ashvillenorthcarolina.jpg

Wow

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Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 27th, 2013, 6:46pm

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/more-than-just-a-starry-starry-night-20130126-2ddh1.html

Looks like a guy from Dunedoo in Australia may have the best video of UFO's in 2013.

Very impressive.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by Sam on Jan 27th, 2013, 9:36pm

on Jan 27th, 2013, 8:01pm, Dolf wrote:
Really amazing! Thanks for posting GusB!

Those "things" definetely don't look like any type of balloons, or atmospheric phenomena, or anything man-made... I mean, they don't seem to have a convincing earthly explanation.
So what can these "things" be? Where are they from?

I found the guy is sincere, and no hoax or whatever of the kind seems to be involved here.

To me it's another pretty evidentiary example corroborating what I consider the most logical, rational and convincing theory trying to explain these "things": ET crafts, or ships, or perhaps even living Beings, or some kind of intelligent energy... Whatever we call it, after all it all leads to the same conclusion: not originating from Earth!
But that's me, of course wink



Cheers!

Dolf


those lights are here before we live in this planet.
scientistis study them for many years, but they can not get proves about what they are, now they believe some of them are kind of life.... they need more fund to study this subjuct...

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1322788876
Scientist research light ball and UFO at the valley of Hassdalen in Norway many years.
Interview: Massimo Teodorani: "I started to consider quite seriously the possibility that some behavior of Hessdalen-like lights might be explained as plasma life forms�: and this is another work hypothesis that I have decided to ponder and evaluate in depth......."


http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/column.php?id=200292


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Mar 4th, 2013, 02:51am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2013/indianewscast.html



It has been said that disclosure could come from India or China.

Don't hold your breath though.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Apr 24th, 2013, 6:59pm

Is ET containing the USA?

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2013/clevelandohio042113.html


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Apr 24th, 2013, 8:44pm

on Apr 24th, 2013, 7:51pm, Dolf wrote:
"Is ET containing the USA?"


What do you mean, GusB?

If analyzing certain events + certain sightings, from a strategical point of view, it would seem ET has enough of secrecy, and the USA being the country that started the cover-up. and being a country that probably has more info about ET than any other on Earth, maybe ET is simply pushing, forcing, towards Disclosure...

IDK, but it would seem it's time to radically change the paradigma...


Cheers!

Dolf


Doesn't Russia have the same information, I'm not under the impression they are holding back information. The UFOs seem to focus on the USA mostly due to the reports we get here.

What I mean by "is ET trying to contain the USA"
The reports are similar to how US recon of other nations is conducted for example North Korea, Iran and China.

Could Disclosure be as simple as Foo Fighters/UFO's come into US airspace abducting the odd person here and there.

US would have to admit they can't do anything about it. I can't see that happening anytime soon.

If you think about it how often do you see any governments say they have no control over an issue..... not often enough.

Food for thought.

G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by hyundisonata on Apr 25th, 2013, 02:40am

Disclosure disclosure my god that word is a pain in the ass, do you really need some fat sweaty pig in government to tell you the reality of your life. UFO affects every country only difference being is they do not cash in on it like the Americans do as we just saw with Greer. This has been ongoing since the dawn of man, it is not something new and the only conspiracy is man lying to man in the greedy struggle to control their neighbors. ET like many other species that walk amongst us are not the ones playing the secret games its us humanity that is being misled by such as false histories hiding what should have been common knowledge to all mankind by a small group of humans that loose their precious power over you if you know the truth, and when I use the word power I mean power that as I have found allows them to remove complete towns and such as castles from history as well as its people in order to keep their secrets secret from you. The truth you do not really want to know because it is not the fun fair thrill you think it is, my advice to anyone interested in UFO or ET is forget about it and go to the pub for a game of pool or just go watch a movie as the nightmare that surrounds the scenario is just not worth it.
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Apr 25th, 2013, 04:00am

Well dont stop there guy,tell us what you know.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Apr 25th, 2013, 04:28am

Well said hyundisonata but this thread is Political ET and politics is dirty stuff.

I like nitty gritty of politics and ET is no different. ET has made contact and as times goes by we are understanding that the Grey ETs are no different to us.

Greys want our Genes and reproductive products. They are very happy sitting back and watching us and our major historical events, like good little anthropological scientists.

The way they abduct people is with military precision and are about as friendly as a pack of science students cutting up a frog.

They never talk art, poetry or culture.

They talk global politics and their concerns for humanity. They also seem to lie about future events.

They use us like Europeans have manipulated aboriginals throughout the world in the past.

How deep down the rabbit hole do you want to go?

tongue

G
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Apr 25th, 2013, 08:32am

"Greys want our Genes and reproductive products. They are very happy sitting back and watching us and our major historical events, like good little anthropological scientists."

Its wrong you know,how these entities go about getting what they want,its wrong.


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Apr 26th, 2013, 02:40am

on Apr 25th, 2013, 08:32am, carolnistri wrote:
"Greys want our Genes and reproductive products. They are very happy sitting back and watching us and our major historical events, like good little anthropological scientists."

Its wrong you know,how these entities go about getting what they want,its wrong.



They are committing crimes against humanity, Amnesty International has been given information in regards to these Grey ET Abductions.

Their is very little we can do against technologically advanced ET race. Its like the Incas fighting against the Spanish.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Apr 26th, 2013, 03:40am

Amnesty International,now I wouldnt have thought of that,did they reply?
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Apr 26th, 2013, 06:56am

No they didn't reply to me but I have been told by others they are collecting the information. It's a matter of time when the disclosure occurs their will be records these crimes.

G


Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Apr 26th, 2013, 09:00am

I sure hope this is true,those poor people that have gone thru this horrific experience have no where to turn.I wonder how many suicides are caused by these people beliving theres just no where to turn.
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Apr 26th, 2013, 09:48am

I thought for a minute you were kidding,apparently not.Heres what ive found so far.

http://offtheplanet.blogspot.com/2012/02/travesty-international.html#!/2012/02/travesty-international.html
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Apr 26th, 2013, 4:04pm

Yes I think a campaign is very unrealistic cosidering their is no disclosure. But the information is being collected.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 5th, 2013, 05:44am

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2013/argentinachilemay2013.html

I would love to know the direction these lights went. I can only guess what it is but to me it looks like an explosion in space moving rapidly. Nasa saw it I'm sure of it.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 6th, 2013, 05:08am

on Aug 5th, 2013, 05:44am, GusB wrote:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2013/argentinachilemay2013.html

I would love to know the direction these lights went. I can only guess what it is but to me it looks like an explosion in space moving rapidly. Nasa saw it I'm sure of it.

G


Well it looks like the same lights in Argentina went over Texas

here http://www.ufocasebook.com/2013/tolartexas.html

G tongue
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 22nd, 2013, 5:12pm



I felt this puts a few questions I had in its place. I recommend you take the time to watch this till the end, it's only 12mins.

I know thats way longer than the 2mins average of the Youtube watcher but if your interested in this subject, like I said is well spoken and explained.

Better than most talks on the subject.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 25th, 2013, 9:10pm



I really liked the honesty of the interview.

Enjoy

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 17th, 2013, 03:28am

For those who are new to this I thought this might be good to look at, its a good all rounder.



Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 30th, 2013, 5:49pm

The Snowden affair has opened up the the real reality that the NSA are reading everything.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2013/ufo-video-wittenberge-germany.html

The clip in the above link reminded me that I have long suspected that Triangle UFOs in Triangle formation are doing triangulation to collect signals.

Im sure Germany will be seriously pissed to have US Black aircrafts in German airspace most probably collecting sensitive information.

G

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 12th, 2013, 3:55pm

I wonder what information the US is trying get from Germany at the moment?

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2013/ufo-video-triangle-wittenberge-germany.html

G undecided
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 15th, 2013, 05:47am

on Aug 22nd, 2013, 5:12pm, GusB wrote:


I felt this puts a few questions I had in its place. I recommend you take the time to watch this till the end, it's only 12mins.

I know thats way longer than the 2mins average of the Youtube watcher but if your interested in this subject, like I said is well spoken and explained.

Better than most talks on the subject.

G


Just saw David Attenborough "First Life" which talks about what life looked like on Earth in it's early stages.

It made me think what would life look like beyond us if we continue to evolve.

The answer to that might be found in our contact with ETs. It would seem consistent to say that most if not all ETs that have had contact with humans, that their brains are bigger than ours.

It would explain another reason why ET Hybrids have been developed.

Food for thought.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Oct 31st, 2013, 8:43pm

A fascinating collection of news



G
Re: Political ET
Post by NotWatson on Oct 31st, 2013, 9:46pm

on Oct 15th, 2013, 05:47am, GusB wrote:
Just saw David Attenborough "First Life" which talks about what life looked like on Earth in it's early stages.

It made me think what would life look like beyond us if we continue to evolve.

The answer to that might be found in our contact with ETs. It would seem consistent to say that most if not all ETs that have had contact with humans, that their brains are bigger than ours.

It would explain another reason why ET Hybrids have been developed.

Food for thought.

G
I can't put thought to it until I know all this is really happening
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 1st, 2013, 5:39pm

on Oct 31st, 2013, 9:46pm, NotWatson wrote:
I can't put thought to it until I know all this is really happening


Nice to have you on my thread. I agree where is the proof that could be examined by scientists with a peer review.

Not say they are around but they are way to far and few between.



G
Re: Political ET
Post by skizicks on Nov 1st, 2013, 10:30pm

What is the size difference between the brains of a Gray and a human? Not in ratio to the body but to each other?
It looks huge but is it really that much bigger if any?
I believe that the Grays, at least, are artificial. Grown in space as needed from embryos. If ET is harvesting human eggs and sperm it is to restock the freezers with raw material for the rest of the voyage.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 1st, 2013, 10:41pm

on Nov 1st, 2013, 10:30pm, skizicks wrote:
What is the size difference between the brains of a Gray and a human? Not in ratio to the body but to each other?
It looks huge but is it really that much bigger if any?
I believe that the Grays, at least, are artificial. Grown in space as needed from embryos. If ET is harvesting human eggs and sperm it is to restock the freezers with raw material for the rest of the voyage.


Brains big enough to do telepathy, Quantum physics to bend space and possibly time.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by NotWatson on Nov 2nd, 2013, 5:11pm

on Nov 1st, 2013, 10:30pm, skizicks wrote:
I believe that the Grays, at least, are artificial. Grown in space as needed from embryos. If ET is harvesting human eggs and sperm it is to restock the freezers with raw material for the rest of the voyage.
If this was really happening (or anything like it) I honestly believe we'd know by now.

We have to be honest with our selves here I think:

IF IF Aliens or any form of unknown entity is here in need of <something> DNA to help save their race or whatever; wouldn't the best thing to do be to: just ask us?? Why all the alleged abductions & secrecy? It don't add up, it never has done for me!

I've no idea about you lovely people but I'd be more than willing to help wherever possible...

Peace.

dej...
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 2nd, 2013, 6:13pm

on Nov 2nd, 2013, 5:11pm, NotWatson wrote:
If this was really happening (or anything like it) I honestly believe we'd know by now.

We have to be honest with our selves here I think:

IF IF Aliens or any form of unknown entity is here in need of <something> DNA to help save their race or whatever; wouldn't the best thing to do be to: just ask us?? Why all the alleged abductions & secrecy? It don't add up, it never has done for me!

I've no idea about you lovely people but I'd be more than willing to help wherever possible...

Peace.

dej...


Yup I thought that a few years ago sperm and egg donation for ETs that need DNA to survive.

LOL why not sperm donation clinic for ETs, could lead to a lucrative sponsors an ET.

Jokes aside what I found over time was that if your a Nation that has some sort of locked trade deal and that gives you a competitive edge in technology and weapons. You will kill to keep it for as long as possible.

The other main reason that is mentioned is the population is not ready. The radio broadcast War of the World panic is brought up a lot (BS).

The conspiracy theories can have a life of their own and you guessed it before you ask....Yup no proof. In saying that implants and heavy radiation UFO marking after a landing has never been investigated by a scientific body with peer review.

It doesn't mean it is not happening, perceptual blindness is one possibility.

http://www.forteantimes.com/strangedays/science/20/questioning_perceptual_blindness.html

A good little read

G


Re: Political ET
Post by NotWatson on Nov 2nd, 2013, 6:27pm

Just picking this out of your reply:

on Nov 2nd, 2013, 6:13pm, GusB wrote:
The other main reason that is mentioned is the population is not ready. The radio broadcast War of the World panic is brought up a lot (BS).




yep> this is a fallacy! The vast majority of folks knew of this up & coming radio show & were looking forward to it! People did not go mental thinking they were being invaded by aliens--- it's complete rubbish spouted by those who need to...

peace.

dej...
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 4th, 2013, 5:33pm

on Oct 12th, 2013, 3:55pm, GusB wrote:
I wonder what information the US is trying get from Germany at the moment?

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2013/ufo-video-triangle-wittenberge-germany.html

G undecided


Now that Snowden released information on the hacking of Chancellor Merkel phone. I am now seeing a pattern where UFOs are seen before intense diplomatic issues arise. It makes sense that NSA and the Black Projects would do this, it's their job.

It changes the question to if they are ET space craft to if they are US intel collecting space craft. What are they collecting and why?

How the tables turn.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 3rd, 2013, 06:03am



I found this moving.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by ZETAR on Dec 3rd, 2013, 06:26am

GUSB,
KINDA CUTS TO THE CORE!!!...WE LIVE IN A PAVLOVIAN SOCIETY...WITH MANY PAVLOVIAN CONTROLLERS...WHEN ONE AWAKENS FROM THE ROUTINE...FREEDOM IS NOT FAR BEHIND...AWAKEN THAT PAVLOVIAN MIND...

SHALOM...Z
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 17th, 2013, 4:01pm



The dates that Area 51 was developed could point to a US Black Project to enter Russian territory and kill commos. Makes more sense to me than ETs going from one end of space to another to cut out tongues.

This leads me to think that Cattle mutilations seem to happen around America and it's allies and on the odd occasion ranchers have seem Black choppers around.

The art of clouding the ET issue as non peaceful may be the objective in these crimes..


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 20th, 2013, 4:02pm

I have discussed the possible next step for humanity in Evolution could be brian size but is our next step in evolution Empathy.

http://www.upworthy.com/if-you-thought-someone-couldnt-explain-empathy-with-a-dry-erase-marker-youre-wrong


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jun 20th, 2014, 8:02pm

Could this be a NASA experiment for warp drive?

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2014/corona-june-2014.html

Re: Political ET
Post by dahur on Jun 20th, 2014, 8:14pm

Assuming no hoax..that certainly is a strange one.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jun 21st, 2014, 12:55am

on Jun 20th, 2014, 8:14pm, dahur wrote:
Assuming no hoax..that certainly is a strange one.


I couldn't agree more. When I look at the the things possibly happening in space I wonder is this the new Cold War?

G
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 31st, 2014, 4:40pm

Its not often you get main stream media covering UFOs, here is an article about the spike in UFO sightings on the Goldcoast

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/spike-in-ufo-sightings-across-queensland-20140831-10alur.html

What are ET looking for?

Population spike? the rapidly declining coral reef?

G
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Aug 31st, 2014, 5:03pm

Maybe they are looking for a nice retirement spot down under..?


laugh
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 31st, 2014, 5:15pm

LOL there are heaps of old people there grin
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 1st, 2014, 10:10pm

This may answer the above question.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/limits-to-growth-was-right-new-research-shows-were-nearing-collapse?CMP=soc_567

I have always suspected that ETs are watching us for this very reason. Can we over come the challenge of our own "limits to growth".

G
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Sep 2nd, 2014, 10:22am

on Sep 1st, 2014, 10:10pm, GusB wrote:
This may answer the above question.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/limits-to-growth-was-right-new-research-shows-were-nearing-collapse?CMP=soc_567

I have always suspected that ETs are watching us for this very reason. Can we over come the challenge of our own "limits to growth".

G


So 'aliens' are watching us concerning our limits to growth..? Can you elaborate on why you think that would be meaningful to advanced 'aliens'?
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 2nd, 2014, 8:59pm

on Sep 2nd, 2014, 10:22am, drwu23 wrote:
So 'aliens' are watching us concerning our limits to growth..? Can you elaborate on why you think that would be meaningful to advanced 'aliens'?


IMO is these advanced civilisations are scientific in nature then it would make sense to be anthropological in science. The study of other cultures other than them selves.

It is the study of cultures that are successful and not. take for example Athens and Sparta in ancient Greece. Athens survived and Sparta didn't. Could it be that Athens was democratic (to a point) and Sparta believed in War and their pure race.

To answer that you have to study demographics, governance, resources and culture.

Don't you think?

G
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Sep 4th, 2014, 10:05am

Wow Gus,thats the clearest ufo Ive ever seen,ever,you can see the windows on it.
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Sep 4th, 2014, 1:50pm

on Sep 2nd, 2014, 8:59pm, GusB wrote:
IMO is these advanced civilisations are scientific in nature then it would make sense to be anthropological in science. The study of other cultures other than them selves.

It is the study of cultures that are successful and not. take for example Athens and Sparta in ancient Greece. Athens survived and Sparta didn't. Could it be that Athens was democratic (to a point) and Sparta believed in War and their pure race.

To answer that you have to study demographics, governance, resources and culture.

Don't you think?

G


It would depend on several factors.
Since they are 'aliens' there's no reason to assume they would do what we might do such as an anthropological study. They might have completely different agendas when it come to other sentient races.
They might have seen worlds similar to ours and aren't interested in a primitive species at this time. They might only want resources like metals ,water ,etc...or using earth as a way station between destinations.


Re: Political ET
Post by Erno86 on Sep 4th, 2014, 2:58pm

on Sep 2nd, 2014, 8:59pm, GusB wrote:
IMO is these advanced civilisations are scientific in nature then it would make sense to be anthropological in science. The study of other cultures other than them selves.

It is the study of cultures that are successful and not. take for example Athens and Sparta in ancient Greece. Athens survived and Sparta didn't. Could it be that Athens was democratic (to a point) and Sparta believed in War and their pure race.

To answer that you have to study demographics, governance, resources and culture.

Don't you think?

G



Gus - I tend to agree with your opinon...I mean, the otherworlders seemed to take a lot of interest in us --- once we {U.S. and other countries} started building atomic bomb programs.

I'm fearful that we could face violent reprisal from civilizations on other star systems, if we include radioactive laden material {as in fuel cells}, on interstellar probes too other star systems in the far future.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 23rd, 2014, 07:51am



I thought this was interesting it made me think that ETs control and possible communicate through these implants
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Sep 23rd, 2014, 1:55pm

on Sep 23rd, 2014, 07:51am, GusB wrote:


I thought this was interesting it made me think that ETs control and possible communicate through these implants


Dr Lear has never shown that any of the things he's removed are actually alien implants and for the you tube piece to list it that way is misleading and irresponsible.
He has also not allowed other independent scientists , not from his personal group, to examine his alleged alien implants. Wonder why that is..?

Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 24th, 2014, 07:09am

on Sep 23rd, 2014, 1:55pm, drwu23 wrote:
Dr Lear has never shown that any of the things he's removed are actually alien implants and for the you tube piece to list it that way is misleading and irresponsible.
He has also not allowed other independent scientists , not from his personal group, to examine his alleged alien implants. Wonder why that is..?


if you look it up on Youtube it says he has had allowed other independent scientists and found it to be ET. Are you willing to to do a FOIA? I'm not I can't be stuffed. smiley

Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Sep 24th, 2014, 3:11pm

on Sep 24th, 2014, 07:09am, GusB wrote:
if you look it up on Youtube it says he has had allowed other independent scientists and found it to be ET. Are you willing to to do a FOIA? I'm not I can't be stuffed. smiley


To my knowledge he has not but if you wish to link to a web site that says in print he has I'll certainly read it. He has only used 'scientists' that are friendly to his belief system.
No one ,,,,no one,, has shown any implants to be of alien origin. If they had it would be all over the news and Lear's group would have surely called for a press conference a long time ago.
I would be one of the first calling for disclosure and investigation into this if someone had indeed proven an alien origin for these 'implants'.
I have no idea what your FOIA remark means.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 24th, 2014, 5:14pm

FOIA Freedom of Information Act even people from other countries can request it.

Here is the implants being tested unfortunately it ends before we know what the results are but thats where you can apply for a FOIA



Here is a implant being removed and tested.


Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Sep 24th, 2014, 9:03pm

Gus,
I'll watch the videos...though if they are anything like the others by him I doubt if we'll get any provable hard facts.
I still don't see what the FOIA act has to do with alleged alien implants that Lear has in his possession. The FOIA is for govt documents only.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 24th, 2014, 11:42pm

on Sep 24th, 2014, 9:03pm, drwu23 wrote:
Gus,
I'll watch the videos...though if they are anything like the others by him I doubt if we'll get any provable hard facts.
I still don't see what the FOIA act has to do with alleged alien implants that Lear has in his possession. The FOIA is for govt documents only.


I had to check that one……… yep your right.

smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Sep 25th, 2014, 08:17am

on Sep 24th, 2014, 11:42pm, GusB wrote:
I had to check that one……… yep your right.

smiley


The first video didn't give us any real info but the second was interesting. But naturally occurring stone and metal ores can have magnetic and even 'radio emissions' (assuming Lear's device was accurate to begin with) . Regarding the 'carbon nano tubes', I would like to see several more independent evals of that before saying that's what those few 'fibers' really were.
In conclusion, imo ,there simply isn't enough information here to conclude this is any kind of alien object.

For the sake of discussion , what other possible ways could this object have ended up in his toe. Stepped on while walking , a natural sediment from some medical reason, inserted by some one else not an alien....?
Re: Political ET
Post by carolnistri on Sep 25th, 2014, 11:03am

Dr.Wu said in part."inserted by some one else not an alien....?


Ill buy that..
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 25th, 2014, 5:18pm

I not here to defend the Dr Leir but there are other clips of objects being removed from other parts of the body.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTjtH4q6LQI

It is fair to say someone placed the object in these people but that does not mean ETs. The same could be said with UFOs until we have clear footage in a public area of ETs exiting a UFO. Only then can we only say that is an ET UFO. Until that day we have to say we simply don't know.

I think this "observation" is always important to keep in mind but observation is an integral part of science. The part I like is the speculation.

IMO observed implants amongst abductees is worth looking into and I appreciate the work the Dr Leir has done. I am neither in the position to investigate this phenomena, surgically remove and test the objects.

I would love to see the work of another Dr investigating this issue and seeing what he/she finds.

My 2 cents worth.

G smiley
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Feb 11th, 2015, 5:00pm

I have seen a pattern of UFOs being seen before major political changes occur.

This clip in Lima makes me think something like might be happening in Peru.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2015/ufo-video-lima-peru.html
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 8th, 2015, 5:47pm

Been a while I have felt an incident is worth Speculating on.

The Russian UFO collision could well and truly be just a couple of big drones banging into each other. UFOs crashing into each other seems impossible due to there high level of technology and speed to avoid current military planes.

Or

US Drones disguised as a unrecognisable flying object or UFOs were in a sensitive area and shot down by Russians.

These Drones were tapping friends and relatives of President Vladimir Putin.

What do you think?

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2015/russian-crash.html
Re: Political ET
Post by Erno86 on Jul 12th, 2015, 1:38pm

"The lack of there never being a legitimate, through and public study of UFO's is because of the government --- And that is tantamount to proof of the whole situation."
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Jul 13th, 2015, 2:49pm

on Jul 12th, 2015, 1:38pm, Erno86 wrote:
"The lack of there never being a legitimate, through and public study of UFO's is because of the government --- And that is tantamount to proof of the whole situation."


Can you elaborate a bit on that for the sake of discussion...?
Are you implying that since no one has done an open public govt investigation that's proof of 'aliens'..?
Re: Political ET
Post by Erno86 on Jul 14th, 2015, 2:27pm

on Jul 13th, 2015, 2:49pm, drwu23 wrote:
Can you elaborate a bit on that for the sake of discussion...?
Are you implying that since no one has done an open public govt investigation that's proof of 'aliens'..?



Sort of...because the U.S. Federal Government is definitely keeping any information from UFO flaps under the wraps, is a tactic that incurs stonewalling about otherworldly peaceful invasions over U.S. held territory; and the alien beings or robots that control these alien starships.
Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Jul 14th, 2015, 2:34pm

on Jul 14th, 2015, 2:27pm, Erno86 wrote:
Sort of...because the U.S. Federal Government is definitely keeping any information from UFO flaps under the wraps, is a tactic that incurs stonewalling about otherworldly peaceful invasions over U.S. held territory; and the alien beings or robots that control these alien starships.


Well...that's assuming they do have something to keep under wraps. We don't know that the govt knows anything more than us about the true nature of the ufo enigma. Just because someone believes in ufos as alien ships doesn't mean that's the complete truth.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 22nd, 2015, 6:10pm

I thought youze guyz would like this


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 22nd, 2015, 6:28pm

Oh cool found part 2


Re: Political ET
Post by drwu23 on Jul 23rd, 2015, 1:25pm

Thanks Gus....two excellent short videos on the Fermi Paradox and life in the Universe and our Galaxy. It puts a proper perspective on things regarding aliens, ufos, and why they might or might not have ever been here.
It will be interesting to see how the ' ET is already here crowd' addresses the information and points made within those little clips.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 23rd, 2015, 6:20pm

on Jul 23rd, 2015, 1:25pm, drwu23 wrote:
Thanks Gus....two excellent short videos on the Fermi Paradox and life in the Universe and our Galaxy. It puts a proper perspective on things regarding aliens, ufos, and why they might or might not have ever been here.
It will be interesting to see how the ' ET is already here crowd' addresses the information and points made within those little clips.


Yes those clips were very good I wish we had more like them on the ET topics
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 11th, 2015, 01:16am





INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION!!!!!!!



Connecting the Dots

I just realised the Nasa Astronaut McClelland that saw a 9 foot Alien on the space station was a Tall White

http://www.inquisitr.com/1951700/nasa-employee-saw-9-foot-tall-alien-with-astronauts-in-space-shuttle-evidence-of-military-alliance-with-alien-race/

Again reminds me of an image of a UFO caught on the Space Station could be a Tall White space craft the same one used that was seen from that Astronaut McClelland.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2015/january-nasa-cut-feed-ufo-seen.html

Finding More

Charles Hall mentioned in the video of the Talk that the Nordic's (Not Tall Whites) were from the area of Bernard's Star. It would seem that a couple of times it was to be reviewed as a possible place of interest for NASA to look into planets but the funding was cut.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnard%27s_Star#Claims_of_a_planetary_system

Charles states that the Star Arturus could be close to where the Tall Whites live.

http://www.karmapolis.be/pipeline/interview_hall_uk.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcturus

Opening the Can of Worms

I am now suspecting that the Alien MIBs are the young Tall Whites that Charles Hall described as being able to pass as humans.

Interesting connecting the dots.

What do you think?


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Aug 24th, 2015, 5:10pm

Australian Skies UFO Documentary Black Chopper footage

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/skywatcher-who-filmed-ufos-says-he-was-quizzed-by-men-in-black-20150821-gj4ma9.html
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Nov 19th, 2016, 5:26pm

Obama to Disclose?


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Dec 17th, 2016, 4:02pm

Mate I'm ropable about this. Obama with the 2008 campaign had a small glimmer of HOPE that disclosure could happen under him. He talked about green collar jobs, the need to develop new industries that would not destroy the Earth. BLAH BLAH BLAH he ends up Fracking your country to pieces and decides not to do ET Disclosure because of Petro Geo Political issues that are the very reasons why Earth is in it's current dire situation. WTF! Where is this so called enlighten decision making that was suppose to rise above the stupidity of the past..... F**K!

Now we have this orange orangutan for a president who refuses intelligence briefings, who is currently trying to say "Your Fired" to the Chinese in the South China Sea.

John Podesta's attempts to create the climate for Disclosure has failed and it should be understood that the main reason now is because of Obama.

We are at the start of catastrophic climate change and ET must be looking down at us from there Free Energy UFOs that could probably power a small city saying "Check these monkeys out".

This is just beyond ridiculous.

G
Re: Political ET
Post by MrGort on Dec 17th, 2016, 5:24pm

I AM OMNI OBAMA, I'LL BE HERE TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF EARTH AND U2 GUS

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Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jan 22nd, 2017, 02:15am

Your clearly a twit
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Feb 1st, 2017, 4:38pm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2017/ufos-cross-us-mexico-border.html

Protesting ETs or Mexican drones testing boarder security.

I suspect the latter hence why poster had the video taken down twice.

G


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jun 16th, 2017, 7:39pm

Connecting the dots

Space Aggressors Squadron started in 2000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/527th_Space_Aggressor_Squadron

Clearly using air and space craft that can shoot out into space to protect satellites from Russia and China. Responding to China's shooting down a satellites in 2007

Transitioned from Aurora TR-3B maned craft from the 90's to possibly activated AI tactical autonomous drones mixed with the NASA X-43.

Also to chase out hostile ET space crafts.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jun 16th, 2017, 8:32pm

Very interesting


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jun 17th, 2017, 7:59pm

I've been chewing on the above talk.

It's very rare in Australia to have such well documented ET contact with UFOs and MIBs with chopper harassment being filmed.

It would seem that the MIBs or Asio (Australian Secret Intelligence Organisation) don't like uncontrolled ET contact happening without their oversight.

Disclosure of ET contact will never happen as long as people like Liam continue to be abducted and used as guinea pigs for ET anthropological investigations into humans.

Governments don't like to admit what they can't control.


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jun 20th, 2017, 06:07am

Major news as NASA has found 10 more Earth like planets.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/nasa-kepler-finds-10-earth-planets-170620013748349.html

I wonder at what point the US will admit that contact has been made and co-operation has been going on for decades?


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 14th, 2017, 4:41pm

A base on Mars or an April Fools joke?


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Jul 21st, 2017, 8:14pm

Imagine a future where todays trade between nations is equal to trade between Earth and other planets.
Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 29th, 2017, 7:27pm

I found this interesting. An alien who went from one part of the galaxy to another part but have photos pixelated to the point that it looks like internet dialup of old images. And pops over to Australia where it was noted that it looks like Aurora space craft. To me it looks like smoke & daggers . The worst kept secret space program are still trying to say "These Craft are ETs!" BS


Re: Political ET
Post by GusB on Sep 30th, 2017, 12:18am

second review I noticed the static cross is the same in each photo. Which means its a filter placed ontop of the image.

Have a look your self.