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« Thread started on: Jul 17th, 2017, 9:17pm »

ATTENTION! All persons interested in the UFO phenomenon, please study these drone pictures! Do some searching; look for more. Look for some nighttime pics. These things are proliferating EVERYWHERE! They are invading UFO reports like crazy!


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« Reply #1 on: Jul 18th, 2017, 4:12pm »

It's only a matter of time before someone flies one into a descending jet's engine.

They should be banned outright except for use by the authorities.

I know Gort will not agree with this, and I wouldn't expect him to. I don't think for a minute that he would use his machines for nefarious purposes.
But at the very least they should be fitted with squawk transponders so they can be identified. and any that don't respond to interrogation need to be shot out of the sky.

They are already used extensively by criminals.

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« Reply #2 on: Jul 18th, 2017, 9:24pm »

Well Swamprat,

If you are looking for an UFO enthusiast, I am most likely the only one at UFO Casebook.

But you are right, drones have "screwed up" UFO sightings.

I long for the simple past before drones, like Roswell, Lonnie Zamora, Phoenix Lights, Rendlesham, Minot, etc.




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« Reply #3 on: Jul 19th, 2017, 12:41pm »




Some people have an inordinate fear of technology. Probably because of a lack of understanding. When cell phones first came out I did not want one but now cannot leave the house without it. Drones are a fact of life now. What would cost a few thousand dollars a couple of years ago can now be purchased for around 500. The main controller has also advanced. Early models are no longer produced or supported but replaced with more advanced units. Current main controllers can be programmed and operated from a laptop.

I certainly understand the concern for the nefarious use of the drone. Although, I cannot recall any instance where a drone has been used for a nefarious purpose excluding perhaps the peaking Tom syndrome.

Most drones are in the hobby category and typically the airtime is on the order of 10 to 15 minutes. Forward speed could be as much as 40 mph with a typical drone set up for video recording. Commercial drones costing from 10 to 50,000 carry heavier payloads, longer flight times and greater distances. These drones are used in the film industry as well as agriculture for pesticide spraying.

Even hobby drones can be programmed to follow a set waypoint and destination. But a hobby drone would only be effective for a few miles at best before it would lose signal. To use a hobby drone for a nefarious purpose would require some modification of an off-the-shelf unit and would be very limited.

A commercial drone however could probably exceed hobby drone limitations. But of course, it would be expensive. Furthermore, there are other RC choices such as helicopters and airplanes and jets which could be used equally as well to carry a payload for a further distance.

A study was done on the probability of a drone crashing into a jet engine as it was landing and the probability was almost 0. Birds I think were a much higher threat. A terrorist would be better off with one of those portable handheld missile launchers.

Other implements of destruction such as box cutters, pressure cookers, trucks, cars, hatchets and knives (not to mention guns) have been successfully used in terrorist attacks. And as Iíve said I am not aware of any incident of a terrorist attack using a drone. Thatís not to say that there are not many stupid hobbyists who shouldnít be in the hobby likewise there are probably many drivers on the road who shouldnít be driving.

Racing drones tend to be fast but small and not intended to carry a package, as light as possible.

There are many instances of drones being used by law enforcement and rescue operations and even shark surveillance at the beach etc for productive uses, besides hobby enjoyment.

At one time, it was a requirement to register your drone with the FAA and mine are, however this requirement has now been rescinded by the Supreme Court I believe. Thereís always the possibility of a hobby drone failing and causing a problem. And this is why the drone hobbyist should not be flying over large crowds or in close proximity to sporting stadiums or buildings.

As far as confusion with UFOs that is certainly a possibility. I have one nighttime video which if I flew over the city would certainly be reported as a UFO, but I wouldnít do that. Although it would serve as an indication of how many people are looking skyward at any given moment?

http://www.mrgodzilla.com/Night12_zpstc3vm7it.MP4



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« Reply #4 on: Jul 19th, 2017, 1:10pm »

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« Reply #5 on: Jul 19th, 2017, 2:09pm »

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« Reply #6 on: Jul 19th, 2017, 2:17pm »

Gort,

The criminal use of drones is already prevalent in the UK.

There are a lot of cases of drugs and mobile phones being 'delivered' by drone into prisons. A video of this happening even appeared on the news. It showed a package that was suspended on a long string being hooked by someone through a cell window.
Also the carriage of low weight high value items like heroin and cocaine is certainly something that can be done by drone.

I suspect that if the people involved were to get their acts together then it shouldn't be a problem to have two or more operators using controllers set to the same frequency (channel) to 'hand over the drone. Person 'A' loads it up and sends it on it's way, say, across the border. person 'B' then picks it up and directs it to where it is unloaded, fitted with a fresh battery, and sent back. That has the advantage that neither party need know where the other is actually located. A useful feature in the drug world.

The scope for criminal use of drones if quite wide.

As for the bringing down of a plane. We have had a few reports of pilots coming across them as they approach the airport. It seems to be only a matter of time before there is an incident.

Agreed that a small missile launcher would be more useful, but they are not as easily available as drones.

I think they could be very useful, and even considered getting one myself. So I am not against them per se.

I do also agree that many ufo sightings in the future will be down to them.

The UFO is dead. It's demise began with the internet, which should have been the ideal medium for investigating them, and the final nail in the coffin will be jokers flying drones fitted with LEDs across town at night.

Ah well, it was fun while it lasted.

Yes, many every day things can be used for nefarious purposes. I have a lot of Methanol. But I make bio-Diesel, not mdma.

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« Reply #7 on: Jul 19th, 2017, 2:40pm »

Well I donít know about the UK but I have heard of an instance or 2 where the prison guards have found a crashed drone with drugs in the prison playground. I donít think this practice is widespread but I have to give the prisoners an A for effort. As far as a coordinated effort to fly the drone a long distance this wouldnít be possible since thereís only so much power in the battery. A better use would be a model airplane longer distance per weight of battery. The plane could be allowed to crash and retrieved with GPS. But I think even this would be too risky (with a high-value payload i.e. drugs etc.) with air currents and winds which could crash the plane before itís designated landing or crash site.
And it wouldnít work for drug dealers delivering a package (Amazon style). Competitive dealers would have attack drones taking down the carrier drones. Although that would be technologically interesting.
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 19th, 2017, 3:54pm »

Gort,

I agree that the whole thing is technically very interesting. I think drones would be a better option than model planes as they seem to be inherently more stable.

I can visualise delivery drones being escorted by defender drones fending of the other gang's attack drones.
Maybe three pirate drones with a net between them to hijack the payload drone.

I'm curious, what is the straight line range of your drone on one battery charge ?

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« Reply #9 on: Jul 19th, 2017, 5:14pm »

Iíve tried getting a maximum distance out and back. It's difficult. 2500 feet seemed to be a safe limit. This would mean of course 50% of your battery out unless you want to sacrifice the drone. Also, itís out of sight. So before making a long distance run you have to be familiar with what would be approximately 50% of usable battery capacity.

There is an optional safety feature in the main controller which will land the drone when the voltage gets too low, saving the battery, but your drone may land in the middle of a lake or forest. There is an option to disregard the safety, also you have the option of setting the voltage points. If after a flight and landing your batteries are too hot youíre probably exceeding the usable battery voltage and should adjust accordingly.

Lipo batteries will fail if drained completely, so itís important to keep an eye on battery voltage. The optional safety flashes a red light on the drone at your set voltage and then will land at a secondary set voltage. However, you have to be close enough to the drone to see the red light and land it yourself before the safety does. Also, your telemetry readings will provide voltage. So, if the drone is out of sight voltage readings are important.

Also forward speeds and wind conditions can affect battery time. I lost a drone doing this as the battery ran out before I could get the drone home. After about 2 weeks I eventually found the drone.

If I were to send the drone up about 150 feet and send it forward it would probably go three quarters of a mile at which point it would lose signal from my transmitter. It would then go into failsafe mode and return home assuming there was enough battery left. Home is a GPS setting from the take off point and is indicated by a series of green flashing lights. The GPS has to acknowledge at least 7 Satellites.

Without the failsafe and the automatic landing my guess would be that the drone would fly a mile or 2 and then crash.
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 19th, 2017, 10:30pm »

This is a range test. The test was not so much for the drone itself but rather the transmitter. I was using a Devo 7 which is typically used for helicopters and doesnít have much of a range.

The drone flew about 1800 feet and then lost signal. You can see when this happens as the drone just sits there for a few seconds and then turns towards home eventually to land. So total distance Ė 3600 feet.


http://www.mrgodzilla.com/range5.mp4

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« Reply #12 on: Jul 20th, 2017, 3:20pm »

Gort,

Thanks for the info. You seem to have got the arial photography aspect nailed down; nice video.

These things a re a tech nerds dream come true. The avenues for incremental improvement in motors, props, battery technology seem wide open.

I'm having battery problems with a data logger that I use. Recently, when down loading the data to my computer it has been reporting 'Internal battery failure' and not doing a proper data dump. Yet upon inspection of the settings it shows a 2/3 good battery.

so I measured the battery voltage as it was dumping the data and it was seen to quickly drop from the 5.6 Volt no-load to about 2 Volt.

Time for a new battery.

It is a non-rechargable 1/2AA and costs about £12 (say $18)..Ouch.

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