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Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Feb 2nd, 2016, 11:16pm

Dead Men Do Tell Tales: The Strange Case of Jeffrey Alan Lash

The UFO Trail

September 15, 2015

On or about July 17, police retrieved the deceased body of Jeffrey Alan Lash from a vehicle parked in Pacific Palisades, Cal. The story soon broke that two women, Catherine Nebron and Dawn VadBunker, parked the car where it was discovered with the corpse inside. Attorney Harland Braun had apparently informed authorities of its location.

Braun was hired by Nebron and described her as Lash's longtime fiancee. Braun informed the media that Nebron and her employee and assistant, VadBunker, were with Lash on July 4 when he died of causes brought on by terminal illness. They were reportedly in a grocery store parking lot at the time.

After Lash died, the women reportedly relocated the vehicle, left the body in it and fled to Oregon. Braun stated the two did so for reasons including they believed Lash was an ET-human hybrid working for US intelligence agencies, and that his contacts would soon retrieve the body. They reportedly opted to not seek medical treatment for the dying man for similar reasons, and maintained they were following his prearranged instructions. It would later surface that at least one additional party may have also been with the two women, and the grocery store where the man was said to have died was, oddly enough, frequented by Whitley Strieber.

Nebron returned to the Los Angeles area from Oregon approximately twelve days later to find the remains of Lash still sitting undiscovered in the vehicle. It was apparently then that she contacted Braun for assistance and legal representation, and the attorney notified authorities of the body.

Police subsequently searched a condo owned by Nebron and reported to be the residence of her and Lash, which was located in the vicinity of where she and VadBunker left the car containing the corpse. The search resulted in the confiscation of some 1200 guns, additional weapons and literally tons of ammo estimated to be worth several million dollars. The two-bedroom, 2,000 square-foot condo was located in a relatively exclusive area and was valued at $750,000 to $1million. Every room of the structure was reportedly stacked to the ceiling with guns and boxes of gun accessories, more weapons, such as machetes and bows, and cases of ammo. Police filled the driveway and a nearby alley with items brought out of the condo. An LA police captain described the scene as the worst case of weapons hoarding she had ever seen in her 27-year law enforcement career. Some $230,000 in cash was confiscated from the condo and reportedly counted in a neighbor's garage.

Media reports described neighbors as saying Lash occasionally claimed he was an intelligence operative, and neighbors also stated they did not know how the condo became filled with weapons and boxes. They had not noticed how all the items were delivered to the residence.

Lash was additionally reported to have owned many vehicles, one of which was described as an SUV equipped to drive underwater. VadBunker's husband, Jim Curry, told reporters the woman's job entailed renting garages all over Southern California to store what he described as Lash's dozens of vehicles. The story, Curry explained, was that Lash was CIA and had other agents who might need vehicles on a whim.

Online sleuths and interested parties began uncovering more info about VadBunker, including an odd letter she wrote to her parents, in which the woman described her recent actions as having been for the good of the world. VadBunker's mother, Laura VadBunker, corroborated existence of the hybrid story to the media, stating that the entire episode was "worse than a Twilight Zone movie."

"He was part alien and part human and was out to save the world," Laura VadBunker added.

Also introduced in the online community was a suspicious alleged legal doc interpreted to have been posted by the younger VadBunker, establishing her as a member of the VadBunker family, but its origins and purposes were not entirely clear. While investigating the document, an individual using the screen name SysConfig subsequently identified the judge who allegedly signed it as having been retired prior to its creation date, further calling its authenticity into question.

SysConfig identified a unit neighboring the condo owned by Nebron as owned by Assistant District Attorney Whelma T. Llanos and attorney Dominic J. Messiha. The unit owned by Llanos was near the condo where Nebron and Lash reportedly resided and the weapons stash was confiscated, and it may possibly have been Llanos' garage where the nearly quarter of a million dollars was counted. SysConfig notified a news outlet which had previously covered the story. A response was received, but no particular interest was demonstrated by the outlet in the irony of an Assistant DA possibly being a neighbor of Lash and Nebron.

Authorities have not yet reported results of their investigations into the origins of the weapons, cash and additional items taken into custody. When all the dust settles, the legal status of the weapons and cash will prove to be key aspects of this truly bizarre story. The intentions of the various people involved, their lines of work, and the purposes of their actions and statements may never be entirely clear, only whether or not police ever file any charges against any of them. At this point, foul play is not suspected in the death of Jeffrey Alan Lash, whoever and whatever he may have actually been in life.

Source:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2015/09/dead-men-do-tell-tales-strange-case-of.html
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Feb 2nd, 2016, 11:19pm

on Feb 1st, 2016, 11:28pm, SysConfig wrote:
perhaps they are waiting for something..noel did an FOIA .. which office i know not she has not gotten a response....I was thinking doing one direct to the DAs office..in reference to its connection by Ms Welma.llanos..and the reason for the cover using a marketing company..because essentially...thats when the case came to a screeching halt. What would you suggest be a good angle of attack..would you like to do it?..I can give you the emails I have..


Thanks, Sys. To be completely honest, I've become rather annoyed with and doubtful of the FOIA process. I think it might be more useful in some situations than others... for instance, in her most well-researched book 'Operation Paperclip', Annie Jacobsen observed that often times FOIA clerks simply don't know where to look or how to find docs buried and shuffled for decades. She suggested coming at Roswell from alternative angles and agencies might prove useful, for example.

I'd agree with that, and she'd certainly know. However, my experience would suggest that older events are often much more likely to yield positive responses than more recent, still simmering info. That doesn't mean don't ask, I'm just saying I'm not optimistic about a lot of agencies or the time frames they take to respond.

I think some standard requests might could be made to CIA on Lash. One of the challenges would be that such requests should include a death certificate and/or confirmation the subject is no longer living. Then, we might also inquire about any investigations conducted into Lash and company's claims of his connection to CIA, as they are otherwise outright going to tell us that they do not offer info on Agency assets (won't confirm or deny, blah, blah, blah). So it gets messy and rather counterproductive in a Peter Falk, "Serpentine, serpentine!" kind of way about as often as not, or at least that's my experience.

As for agencies other than CIA, we might could obtain some interesting stuff. My initial ideas might include asking LAPD for information available for release on its investigation of the circumstances. Maybe the same for Homeland Security and some of the other agencies which seem to have viewed the posts on the story. And, sure, the DA office might offer something useful, at least as compared to newspapers and such.

You guys might already know this, but a journalist named Jason Leopold has achieved rather exceptional success with the FOIA. A search using a few keywords would reveal some of his articles and videos on making the most of an FOIA request (if helpful). We might also do some searches about any requests others have filed on Lash, what has happened and so on. Unfortunately, yielding worthwhile results seems to have become a game of much patience, persistence, and might take years.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 2nd, 2016, 11:34pm

I have met dead ends with regard to trying to get info from Palipost and more recently Zaron Burnett (article in Playboy).

I also think some of our best evidence can be obtained by viewing the pictures posted online. Websleuths had a good run going until it was realized some of the pictures were actually taken in a neighbor's garage, instead of the infamous Catherine Nebron townhouse.

Anyone have any new info on Dawn Marie Vadbunker? Is she still out there somewhere trying to save the world?

Thanks for your suggestions, as well as this new thread.


Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Feb 3rd, 2016, 11:24am

Thanks, cpeacock. I well recall the circumstances you're mentioning. I agree the whereabouts of Dawn VadBunker are relevant. Very curious chain of events.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 3rd, 2016, 7:08pm

Stellar recap..This a great idea Jack...and it will free up the other thread for other itms non JAL ..and important matters..Thanks.

Hi Jack from the blog.

@ CP Thanks for the new thread. Sys is the one with most of the info. I don't do Facebook so I miss out on lots of sleuthable info.


You and I are on the same page about facebook..I feel I need wading boots to go in there.. I won't hide the factI I dislike them and google...but if you ever feel you are being channeled...rest assured..you will find them not far behind..
I have some ideas..but can't post them yet..

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Feb 3rd, 2016, 11:02pm

on Feb 3rd, 2016, 7:08pm, SysConfig wrote:
You and I are on the same page about facebook..I feel I need wading boots to go in there..


Then that makes three of us. I don't FB either.

I'll try to carve out some time soon to do some looking around at the LAPD site. If I recall correctly, they took the lead, at least initially and publicly, in the investigation. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by noelleon on Feb 4th, 2016, 4:11pm

I FOUND DAWN!!!....She is in Gahanna, Ohio-posting on the dreaded Facebook under- surfing dawn gypsy-

posted on feb 2 2016-
Well that was a gnarly year last year was but hey stuff happens right? looking forward to the next adventure and praying for a good warm beach , surf and some nice peeps to hang with heart emoticon Blessings of love and light to my sisters and kids out there heart emoticon Peace love and surf to you all heart emoticon
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 4th, 2016, 10:46pm

on Feb 4th, 2016, 4:11pm, noelleon wrote:
I FOUND DAWN!!!....She is in Gahanna, Ohio-posting on the dreaded Facebook under- surfing dawn gypsy-

posted on feb 2 2016-
Well that was a gnarly year last year was but hey stuff happens right? looking forward to the next adventure and praying for a good warm beach , surf and some nice peeps to hang with heart emoticon Blessings of love and light to my sisters and kids out there heart emoticon Peace love and surf to you all heart emoticon


Nice catch NL
I thought this was the funniest part..

Intro
music beach surf peace lover no drama lamas allowed and [b]no lies[/b






edit : I bet the surfing is really good in Ohio.. grin


Being that she only knew Lash lke for 3 weeksand performed 2 reiki sessions..and never went back..contradicts with she was there in the parking lot..
“I did two sessions and wouldn’t go back,” VadBunker told the magazine. “I was told we were being watched all the time and no one can harm him. The man was very, very ill. I never met a man who wasn’t dead in that condition.”

Doesn't sound like someone who was present at his death...

That was the last anyone heard from VadBunker, who strangely made no mention of being present in the SUV on July 4.
http://www.people.com/article/california-man-1200-weapons-found-decomposing-inside-parked-car
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/the-strange-case-of-jeffrey-alan-lash-continues-to-baffle-authorities/news-story/db43793b240b582ae965d69b934e01dd

It seems this story self corrects as it went along..patched..to help it move along..




In the meantime ....

I was looking at the problems the LA police was having in 2015 ...very trigger happy that year and especially in March..They could have used a great deflection like making a bust with hundreds of guns,,and with these loonies running around LA its perfectly justifiable for a cop to be nervous..of course..
it was so comforting to see the neighbors in the lash greatful to the police for removing these guns off the street..even if they were legal..and no one ever noticed anything unusual.


https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=+Liliana+Preciado&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2015/1220/LA-police-shoot-suspect-in-hospital-20th-fatal-LAPD-shooting-in-2015






Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by noelleon on Feb 5th, 2016, 08:42am

Dawn did not do the silly rikki or whatever that crap is, her "adopted" mother/ mother in law Laura VanBunker is the rikki master.Dawn was there in the parking lot and split to Oregon with Katherine .This convinces me that lash was a con artist and found some easy marks in lala land,the stooge dentist and his nutty blond wife to finance his lifestyle.He was well versed in mind control tactics and exploiting the weakness of others.I bet he was big fun.....
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 5th, 2016, 11:25am

NoeL..Don't you find it odd that the facebook link https://www.facebook.com/surfingdawn.gypsy lists a timeline going back to 1976 and facebook was not around? She does not mention her dear mum.or Jim, or the other ex in Oregon....just those two daughters who look like the belong in the book series..Pretty Little Liars?
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I don't see any victims..just liars from her, Laura and obfuscators from LE like whelma, and one dead man..who can't speak for himself.. wink

sayyy..You mentioned nutty blonde wife..you have a picture of her? shocked
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Feb 5th, 2016, 4:17pm

Nice find, noelleon, whatever it indicates exactly. Peculiar chain of events, that's for sure.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 5th, 2016, 8:48pm

Good work there NL. I do wonder if DMVB has checked in with her mother, who originally reported her missing.

Looks like she is done with "saving the world" and back to surfing. Good luck with that in Ohio, right? rolleyes
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 5th, 2016, 8:51pm

Thanks for correcting my misread too on Dawn and Laura Noel...I noticed this also in the peoples link when Braun was talking to reporter..
But no one ever picked him up. When Nebron returned home and found the body, she immediately called her lawyer. Braun then called the cops to report the body and the cache of weapons. I thought Katherine did not know about the stash until after the police had to Break in the garage and condo..If she did not have keys then she was not staying there..
cool
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 5th, 2016, 8:52pm

on Feb 5th, 2016, 8:48pm, cpeacock wrote:
Good work there NL. I do wonder if DMVB has checked in with her mother, who originally reported her missing.

Looks like she is done with "saving the world" and back to surfing. Good luck with that in Ohio, right? rolleyes


aint that the truth..haha grin
and to add ..no communication from the spelling bee champ Jim Curry to her and back or their friends.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 5th, 2016, 9:08pm

on Feb 5th, 2016, 8:51pm, SysConfig wrote:
Thanks for correcting my misread too on Dawn and Laura Noel...I noticed this also in the peoples link when Braun was talking to reporter..
But no one ever picked him up. When Nebron returned home and found the body, she immediately called her lawyer. Braun then called the cops to report the body and the cache of weapons. I thought Katherine did not know about the stash until after the police had to Break in the garage and condo..If she did not have keys then she was not staying there..
cool


Something else I wondered about but never mentioned. How did the woman (I forget her name right now) know to quit bringing the garbage bags to the condo. Those bags were supposedly filled with food for JAL and CN. This woman did not find out about JAL death until later. I need to go re-read the dates but this has stuck out in my mind.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 5th, 2016, 9:13pm

on Feb 5th, 2016, 8:52pm, SysConfig wrote:
aint that the truth..haha grin
and to add ..no communication from the spelling bee champ Jim Curry to her and back or their friends.


Oh em gee, totally forgot about JC and his spelling talents. Reckon he has moved on?
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 5th, 2016, 11:46pm

on Feb 5th, 2016, 9:13pm, cpeacock wrote:
Oh em gee, totally forgot about JC and his spelling talents. Reckon he has moved on?

Sez he has..but keeps her pix like a loyal puppy
https://www.facebook.com/jim.curry.52?pnref=story



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on the Grocery Lady or Green Bag Woman..that was Michelle Lyin Lyons

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http://www.palipost.com/category/palisades-news-extra/page/6/ michelle
http://www.palipost.com/category/palisades-news-extra/page/7/ storyline
http://www.palipost.com/category/palisades-news-extra/page/23/ storyline

well Jeffrey Abrams lives around there maybe he wold be interested in making a movie..modify it where JAL heads a rogue good hybrid alien group and were hoarding weapons waiting patiently until mean evil Lizard aliens posing as the the president, vice president and former secretary of state come to collect their yearly donations or tribute..like they just did in real life ..and the Palisadeans are freed from subjugation by democrats. and their alien collaborators..(which JJ might want to play himself) .ending the horrific traffic jams they caused every time they went there.. grin
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 6th, 2016, 11:30am

Poor JC, he was conned too!

Yeh, THREE women willing to wait in the wings. And spend, spend, spend. WOW, JAL musta had something more than a great personality going for him. shocked
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 6th, 2016, 12:17pm

Such is the fate of Teddy Bears..
Well..alls well that ends well..
Melody, Dawns daughter, is growing up to be a genuine all American kid..I could have wagered just about anything to the opposite: that she would be unbalanced, a depressed and lonely latchkey kid while mum surfed and shopped for men, Riddled by Ritalin or some other psychtropic pharm.., a Colombine misfit even......another child that would fall through the cracks..but boy.. was I wrong! shocked

https://www.facebook.com/melody.sykes.9?fref=ts
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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 7th, 2016, 11:06am

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Dawn certainly looks different..
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I always find the transition from hearts unicorns and dolls to tattoos guns and roses remarkable..did anyone follow up that last name sykes on the facebook account link?
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 7th, 2016, 11:23am

Sys, you go for it and then KUP (keep us posted). Even the links you post to Facebook will not open for me. Facebook don't like me and I don't like Facebook. Maybe it is just a mutual misunderstanding. tongue
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 7th, 2016, 11:33pm

on Feb 7th, 2016, 11:23am, cpeacock wrote:
Sys, you go for it and then KUP (keep us posted). Even the links you post to Facebook will not open for me. Facebook don't like me and I don't like Facebook. Maybe it is just a mutual misunderstanding. tongue



Laura sez to Michelle Butler she was in contact with Dawn Twice Daily..(we know Dawn "wrote" take care of melody, as if Melody were with her.even if gobetween.....examine timelines there was barely ever any communcation between mother and "daughter" and the Grandma")
and tells everyone to back off for privacy..even posted she was legal mother..
hahaha too funny
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Reminds me of the yoga mat in Cathys Condo..
Yes He can Yes He Can!!!
grin grin

I wonder which He they are really referring to..

Ya know..so far we have half aliens, Vampires, and Zombies, signs of a highly dysfunctional family and a cult with access to lots of trust money...
The last person tried something near that mix was Ed Wood in Plan Nine from Outerspace..before your times ladies..


note the crosses don't affect him..maybe the Star of David! Has anyone ever tried that on a vampire? shocked

I can stop the CIA, NSA,DIA in their tracks..but haven't gone up against an Alien Hollywood vampire cult before..
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Its worth a try!
shocked

This is the Real Deal..my Man with The Power ..not those fake Jews in Hollywood like Catherine and Harly ..and that mench running Facebook! laugh
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 12th, 2016, 4:21pm

805 what about 805? Can we give the 805 an honorable mention?
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Of course we can..we know how proud Jim Curry wearing that fashionable 805 hat
They are all the rage..rich middle age men running around with designer surboards. Locals protecting their turf from outsiders..roughing and spearing them, and occasionaly killing one.

http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/outdoor-activities/water-sports/surfer-gang3.htm
the Oxnard Shores Locals (OSL)





Great Video!
GibsonDude911 3 years ago
i wanna see these guys live man... 805 forever man!!! aint no place better than the Nard!!!!
kAsHMoN311 3 years ago
SHORES WHORES
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yeah dude its me n my woody and 805 forever nards and retards.. cool
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 12th, 2016, 5:08pm

Thanks Sys, I think. I don't understand some of the language. I am guessing 805 is a band, or area code?

JC and DMVB in more HAPPY times. Haha.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 12th, 2016, 6:07pm

on Feb 12th, 2016, 5:08pm, cpeacock wrote:
Thanks Sys, I think. I don't understand some of the language. I am guessing 805 is a band, or area code?

JC and DMVB in more HAPPY times. Haha.



hahaha CP
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=805

a place located in central coast of california it is the area code for San Luis Obispo County, Santa Barbara County, and Ventura County but now white boys who have never been to LA, fresno, detroit or somewhere dangerous in thier life and wanna be mexican gangsters who think they're "thug" have taken the name 805 for a gang trying to be the gangsters they wish they were and will probably never amount to anything in there entire life mostly consist of high school kids to older people in theyre 20-30's who dont have a college degree and need to get a life and stop thinking they know what gangster is because they never will and will get stabbed by a real thug one day or worse by trying to act gangster towards them

the real gangsters
https://www.fbi.gov/losangeles/press-releases/2013/seventeen-ventura-county-gang-members-linked-to-mexican-mafia-charged-for-roles-in-mexican-based-drug-trafficking-organization


as for the language..you might like this article..
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160211-the-secret-anti-languages-youre-not-supposed-to-know

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 12th, 2016, 9:53pm

Okay got it now. Thanks for the links. Enlightening for sure.

The old saying, ignorance is bliss, comes to mind. Grow up hoodlums.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Feb 26th, 2016, 1:42pm

A few points:

I filed an information request to LAPD under the California Public Records Act. Read about it here:

http://www.lapdonline.org/i_want_to_know/content_basic_view/36329

The webpage instructs one to call first. I'd been calling for a couple weeks or so, leaving messages as instructed, but getting nowhere. It was pretty discouraging.

Today someone finally answered the phone, and instructed me to send my request by email. In the event it might one day save someone a couple weeks or more, the email address for info requests to LAPD is:

discovery@lapd.lacity.org

I submitted the following request today, Feb. 26:


Jack Brewer
XXXXXXX
XXXXXXX

Email: XXXXXXX
Phone: XXXXXXX


Hello:

This is a request for information under the California Public Records Act.

I am requesting copies of files available for release related to the discovery of the body of Jeffrey Alan Lash. The corpse was discovered by police on or about July 17, 2015 in Pacific Palisades. Of particular interest are files depicting investigations and conclusions of circumstances surrounding the deceased, but all records and files related to the Lash case available for release are requested.

I would prefer to receive the files electronically via email if possible. My second choice would be compact disk through standard mail.

I am willing to pay reasonable administrative fees for the request, but please contact me before processing if total cost is projected to be greater than $25.

Thank you for your attention to my request.

Sincerely,

Jack Brewer

======================================

We'll see how it goes.

Speaking of jamming up the FOIA gears, get a load of this... Top officals, including the Attorny General, are apparently using sock puppet email accounts - he was using the birth name of NBA star Kareem Abdul Jabbar. DOJ responds there's nothing illegal or shady about officials using names of celebrities in emails.

But I'd say even if the FOIA clerk hypothetically knew to search, say, Al Pacino for a request of emails related to some official, there would be a number of complications in presenting those emails as authenticated evidence of the official's communications and statements. It's all pretty problematic and lacks accountability.

Here's a link to the story as summed up by FOIA guru Jason Leopold:

https://news.vice.com/article/while-us-attorney-general-eric-holder-used-kareem-abdul-jabbars-birth-name-as-his-official-email-address
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 26th, 2016, 2:01pm

Yay JJ !!!! pm your paypal email addy .I'll share cost whatever it is..
grin..I always wanted to play a moneybags George Soros type!


on the FOIA phony proxy names....I will wager the darkest secrets in ufologyy were hidden in just that way..and certainly..Hillary'staff would be no exception..It's disgraceful

I caught a piece of c2c last niht and LMH interiewed somebody pushin Roswell event back to 1941 or sometin..everyone is movin the goalposts ..sad
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 26th, 2016, 2:36pm

Thanks JJ! I was thinking about good ole JAL yesterday. Lucky me, I am notified of any new comments on this site.

I wouldn't mind a bit helping out with whatever the cost is. Just KMP.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Feb 26th, 2016, 3:16pm

Thanks, guys! I'll be sure and let you know if LAPD releases anything more than we already know. Either way, if they provide any files at all I'll upload them to Google so they'll be publicly accessible and we can continue piecing together the trail as reported by law enforcement (and as files become available over time possibly). Might end up making several requests, with each one more specific, to any number of agencies before this is over. Guess we'll just have to see how it plays out.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 26th, 2016, 4:32pm

I am pretty sure the wait will be worthwhile. grin
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Feb 27th, 2016, 09:58am

on Feb 26th, 2016, 2:01pm, SysConfig wrote:
on the FOIA phony proxy names....I will wager the darkest secrets in ufologyy were hidden in just that way..


I wouldn't bet against you. Even if the researcher knew the aliases used on cables or in emails, and even if the FOIA officer knew and/or was willing to conduct an applicable search, there would still be many problematic aspects to a message in which "Clark Gable" tells "Jane Fonda" the pearl's in the river. No doubt.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Mar 7th, 2016, 8:23pm

LAPD denied my request for Lash files available for release - all of 'em. They didn't so much as give me an initial report.

The response, received today, stated, "Your request seeks records that are either investigatory records or properly part of an investigative file. In accordance with Section 62540, records of investigations conducted by, or investigatory files compiled by, any local police agency for law enforcement purposes, are exempt from disclosure. Therefore, I am denying your request."

Read my related blog post at:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2016/03/lapd-denies-request-for-lash-files.html
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Mar 7th, 2016, 8:25pm

This so-called investigation could be never ending.

Thanks for your efforts JJ.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Mar 7th, 2016, 8:46pm

on Mar 7th, 2016, 8:23pm, jjflash wrote:
LAPD denied my request for Lash files available for release - all of 'em. They didn't so much as give me an initial report.

The response, received today, stated, "Your request seeks records that are either investigatory records or properly part of an investigative file. In accordance with Section 62540, records of investigations conducted by, or investigatory files compiled by, any local police agency for law enforcement purposes, are exempt from disclosure. Therefore, I am denying your request."

Read my related blog post at:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2016/03/lapd-denies-request-for-lash-files.html


bastards angry
It was a hoax...perpetrated to draw attention to the problem of guns and the mentally ill
and they don't want to manup..
But whelma was never a part of the investigation..she lived there.try finding a ppic of her anywhere..they buried her...and no way that smart lady, and she is smart..would not notice anything and conveniently allow the guns and money to be counted there...probably all LA property of previously confiscated guns. Palisades is a hotbed of democrat fanatics and political donors..

Definitely not a sting..but perception control to whip up public support for what seems a never ending campaign that is failing.

@cp...this is not going away..what happened there is the same crap they do in ufology..

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Reasoner on Mar 7th, 2016, 10:31pm

I went to your link, Senor Flash, and read up on the denial. I think you have a reasonable take on it (ongoing investigation and releasing files too early would compromise it), but it's interesting the way they phrased it.

I looked up the exemption noted... on the main FTC section, the exemption is bland and all-encompassing
"Exemptions
All agency records must be made available to the public under the FOIA, except for records that are...
7. Investigatory records compiled for law enforcement purposes (b)(7)."

But the more in-depth explanation provides more clues...
(from https://www.justice.gov/oip/foia-guide-2004-edition-exemption-7)
Exemption 7 of the FOIA, as amended, protects from disclosure "records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information (A) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings, (B) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication, (C) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, (D) could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation, or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source, (E) would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or (F) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual."

The response from the LAPD specifically notes the right to privacy, one of the line items that would limit a FOIA request. However, they categorically refused all records. I highly doubt that the results of their entire investigation involved some sensitive personal information. And does the right to privacy extend into death? How much? We're talking about a case where someone died, and no details if the death was natural, suicide, or homocide? That's a lot of privacy right there.

I can only assume that either there is an ongoing investigation, or this was an improper refusal of records.

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Mar 7th, 2016, 11:18pm

...I don't believe the characters as given even exist..a real estate agent with no advertising references on the net..Catherine..evrything was limited and scrubbed..except harlan brauns..just enough to find the names..brief bland conversations..they said themselves..no crime or foul play..what is the basis of investigation when they cleared from jump street? everything read contrived.. And the guns/ Poof..gone..
Seems to me..the best way to reduce gun sales is not laws but remove whatever is causing the fear factor..Democrats

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/07/atf-gun-production-surging-during/
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by INT21 on Mar 8th, 2016, 11:17am

Sys,

Only loosely related to the thread; but..

No doubt you are aware of the new 'no permit required' gun rule due to start in West Virginia soon.

Here is a chance to carry out a unique experiment.

First, your predictions.

Will gun related homicides and robbery increase or decrease over the next 12 months ?

As the figures for West Virginia covering the last six years are readily available it will be easy to look back in a years time and see once and for all.

HAL
INT21
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Mar 8th, 2016, 1:29pm

Thanks, all, and thanks to Reasoner for finding and posting the exemption. I'd agree with Reasoner that LAPD is suggesting they're still involved with the case, and therefore opting to withhold records at this time. Maybe I'll try again at some point.

When I first requested files from Loveland (Colorado) Police Department on Stan Romanek's claims he was assaulted, I was initially informed the files were not yet available. However, in just a couple of days I was contacted and alerted that the lead detective chose to suspend the case, and the reports were provided to me (due to my request, I'd suspect). I wrote about it at 'Police detective: Evidence not consistent of a fight in Romanek assault case'. So I think sometimes it's also a matter of whether the personnel involved feel like completing their reports, whether or not they view it as advantageous to publish the data and so on. Lots of possible factors, I think.

I'd agree with Sys that there are some smart people in this saga. I think some of them may be employed on police forces and at intel agencies, and I think some of them may be dead, too.

INT21, I'm not sure how much difference can conclusively be assigned to permit-laws. I'd agree with your general point, though, that the debate is rarely about factual data as compared to profits.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Mar 15th, 2016, 12:57pm

LAPD: Lash Files Will Not Be Releasable

The UFO Trail

March 15, 2016

I spoke by phone today with Jennifer Trinidad of the Los Angeles Police Department Discovery Section. She was identified as a point of contact in my recently received letter denying my request for the files on Jeffrey Alan Lash.

I called to inquire if there was some type of process, such as a waiting list of sorts, whereby I could be informed when the files, currently not releasable, might become available for release. I was hopeful that might help both LAPD and me save time and effort from dealing with my possible future requests for the files.

Trinidad informed me that the classification of the Lash files, "investigatory," means they will not be made releasable in the future. I clarified that covered all files and reports, including even initial documentation of the circumstances, which she confirmed was indeed the case. I was free to make future requests if I so chose, Trinidad explained, but the files would not be releasable. An option would be to attempt to subpoena the files, but it was clear we should not anticipate the information becoming releasable by the LAPD.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Reasoner on Mar 15th, 2016, 3:14pm

Well there's definitely something stinky-ish going on here.

From what I listed above, there are 6 criteria for that exemption, one or more of which the LAPD feels is viable.

But the thing is... the exemption doesn't preclude all records, only those where the exemption could be triggered. Somehow ALL the investigatory records are exemption based? Is it that they can't be troubled to redact the troubling information? Or is it more that they refuse these requests as a matter of course?

I believe you mentioned something about the privacy part. What part of this investigation would be an invasion of privacy? All the records would be an invasion of privacy? What are the privacy rights of deceased people? I wonder if there's a way to go up the food chain to make something happen.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Mar 15th, 2016, 4:39pm

on Mar 15th, 2016, 3:14pm, Reasoner wrote:
Somehow ALL the investigatory records are exemption based?


Yes. Trinidad was extremely clear on that and helpfully emphasized it to be the case, that I was free to continue to submit requests, but files designated "investigatory" or "investigative," which includes all of the Lash records, will not be made releasable. She was very clear on that. She added that options would include pursuing a subpoena.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Reasoner on Mar 15th, 2016, 5:45pm

What's your take? I would have to dig where I found it, but I saw one legal discussion about how the courts deemed that "investigatory" is not a blanket catch-all. But I also saw how over time, the courts have bolstered the exemption protection for police.

I just find it to be daunting when the police say, "our files are secret because the content is protected by the exemption, but we can't show you how that is because it's a secret".

There's no one above to review that it does indeed fit within the parameters without suing I guess. But what can you even sue for? This is carte blanche.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Reasoner on Mar 15th, 2016, 6:14pm

http://www.lapdonline.org/i_want_to_know/content_basic_view/36329

http://brechner.org/sunshine/openrecords.htm

Both of these are more nuts and bolts explanations of open records laws. One is Florida, which I'm sure jjflash is aware of, and the other is SPECIFICALLY from the LAPD website.

In both, the mention that records of CURRENT investigations is off-limits. In particular, the LAPD page also discloses (which is true) that records that illustrate investigative techniques and personnel analysis of a case are off limits.

The problem is, she says they wouldn't be releasable in the future because they are "investigatory". This is a quibbling word. The police are using a blanket word that shows general protection without defining what's its parameters are. It encapsulates both current investigations, but it also covers analysis and investigative techniques. Some of those would be viable for future availability and others wouldn't.

Throwing them all under the same umbrella means that they are broadening protections of information from review that ought not be afforded that protection.

Long and short: they are saying the information is off limits both now and in the future. You wouldn't be able to challenge that if the investigation is still active, and could possibly challenge it when it's not active, but that would require probably a legal team. Or at the least, get a court order somehow to review the application of the exemption:

To facilitate prompt public access to public records, court orders either directing disclosure of public records or supporting an agency's decision of nondisclosure are immediately reviewable by an appellate court by way of an emergency petition seeking issuance of an extraordinary writ. In 1991, the California Supreme Court made clear that under this writ procedure, trial court orders are reviewable on their merits. Thus, when a trial court order under the CPRA is reviewed by an appellate court, the independent review standard is employed for legal issues and factual findings made by the trial court will be upheld if they are based on substantial evidence.

(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Public_Records_Act)

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Mar 15th, 2016, 9:22pm

Thanks to the folks who continue to try to get answers. Looks like we are up against a brick wall. And I am gonna be peddling daisies before the JAL "investigation" is over. Sigh...
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Mar 16th, 2016, 01:41am

Thanks, cpeacock. I understand your frustration.

Reasoner, thanks for the info. My take? I've said since early on that we'll never get conclusive explanations for the story. Just don't see how it's possible, given all the factors.

I don't know what to make of it all, and I wouldn't even necessarily say the secrecy is a bad thing. I just don't have enough information to know.

That stated, I'd say that I definitely relate to everyone's impatience. No matter how we look at it, we have a situation in which a corpse was found in the street, a condo was stacked to the rafters with weapons and contained 230 grand in cash, the crew claimed to be CIA, no one has been charged with any crimes, and the local PD is basically telling us 'nunya'. Oh, yeah: and somebody said somebody was an ET-human hybrid. So I can understand the curiosity and frustration... but it's just too complicated to sort out if police and agencies of interest don't offer conclusive explanations - and they're not.

Perhaps one of the most troubling aspects of the situation is that I don't think any among us needed this saga to convince us that "freedom of information" is dependent on what the info reveals. And that's an issue in itself that could use more discussion.

How about you guys? What do you think?
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Mar 16th, 2016, 09:35am

I think you are right, JJ. While it is our right to get answers, the answers will not be forthcoming. It's not so much that I am a nosey person, cause I'm not. As you stated, this is so interesting. The weirdness with the women who seemed to be under some sort of spell, giving "millions" to JAL for his toys. The woman who delivered ice and groceries every night for years, essentially waiting in the wings, for what I don't know. Exactly what did JAL have to offer? DMVB disappearing act. Heck the whole DMVB saga is so strange.

Don't mind ponying up cash for info but we would need more than a little cash in the piggy bank to fund an effort, which would probably be futile anyway.

Wish I could let it go.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Mar 22nd, 2016, 8:00pm

You LUV mysteries the way Noeleon ...LUVS SCIENCE! grin
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Mar 22nd, 2016, 8:08pm

SysCon, well...yes, yes I do. kiss

At least I admit my deficiencies. rolleyes
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Mar 22nd, 2016, 8:13pm

on Mar 22nd, 2016, 8:08pm, cpeacock wrote:
SysCon, well...yes, yes I do. kiss

At least I admit my deficiencies. rolleyes

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Curiosity and persistence hardly deficiencies ..I just noticed Noel gravitates to some decent science articles..
Thats what makes UCB so good....
Noel reminded me of the site
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She would like it very much..they get into some real fringe hard science folx working on..some stuff you can't even make up!
grin
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by noelleon on Mar 28th, 2016, 12:45am

I aM EXTREMELY NOSY! shocked
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Mar 28th, 2016, 12:52am

I have an inquiring mind. grin
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by drwu23 on Mar 28th, 2016, 1:04pm

I have only been following this from the cheap seats but I don't see what all the mystery is about . Couldn't this simply be a case of a nutter who had guns and money and some women who were treating him like a cult figure. This kind of weirdness has happened before with cult like situations. Look at the huge Scientology mess.
What makes this worthy of so much 'investigation'?




Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Mar 28th, 2016, 8:38pm

I have Compulsive Disorder for Trute Doc.. grin .
The pieces provided did not fit..very scripted
and we just chip away at the cow patties..until
we find the hefer underneath.
These things take time.

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by drwu23 on Mar 28th, 2016, 9:30pm

^ Maybe they don't fit because it is just a case of a nutter and looking for more is just confusing the issue.

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Mar 28th, 2016, 10:15pm

on Mar 28th, 2016, 9:30pm, drwu23 wrote:
^ Maybe they don't fit because it is just a case of a nutter and looking for more is just confusing the issue.


I would love to reveal more information Doc but we can't because we are investigating it..and would hate to tip our hand..but we will keep everyone posted on what we can when we can.
smiley
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by drwu23 on Mar 29th, 2016, 09:32am

on Mar 28th, 2016, 10:15pm, SysConfig wrote:
I would love to reveal more information Doc but we can't because we are investigating it..and would hate to tip our hand..but we will keep everyone posted on what we can when we can.
smiley


That all sounds very cloak and dagger...... laugh...but weird stories are always fun to read about.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by ZETAR on Mar 29th, 2016, 11:33am

SYSCO KID,

TO WIT:

"hate to tip our hand"

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"we will keep everyone posted on what we can when we can."

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SHALOM...Z
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Mar 29th, 2016, 12:14pm

Whoo hoo. Love it! Thanks Zetar. grin
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by ZETAR on Mar 29th, 2016, 1:27pm

CPEACOCK,

TO WIT:

"Whoo hoo. Love it! Thanks Zetar"

INDEED ~ CASEBOOK HAS ALWAYS DANCED TO THE BEAT ~ OF IT'S OWN DRUMMER grin

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SHALOM...Z
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Mar 29th, 2016, 11:46pm


This link is for a request made on the Pullitzer prize winner Zaran Barnette III
interview on Jeffrey Lash for the LIPtv people ..
Journalist, Writer, philosopher, actor, poet, and insufferable surfer.

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Apr 14th, 2016, 7:43pm

Here is something I ran across I found interesting as far the money thing goes

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-14/curious-story-dismembered-chinese-tycoon-found-dead-vancouver-mansion#comment-7437702

What is happening is quite simple:

Chinese investors smuggled out millions in embezzled cash, hot money or perfectly legal funds, bypassing the $50,000/year limit in legal capital outflows.
They make "all cash" purchases, usually sight unseen, using third parties intermediaries to preserve their anonymity, or directly in perso, in cities like Vancouver, New York, London or San Francisco.
The house becomes a new "Swiss bank account", providing the promise of an anonymous store of value and retaining the cash equivalent value of the original capital outflow.
Then the owners disappear, never to be heard from or seen again.




cool
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Jun 3rd, 2016, 5:05pm

Hey, all,

Thought some of you might find my latest blog post of interest.

See the original post for supporting links:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2016/06/steering-public-interest.html

Later,

Jack



Steering Public Interest

In September of 2015 I did a blog post summarizing the case of Jeffrey Alan Lash. Readers will recall a Los Angeles attorney alerted LAPD in July that the corpse of Lash was located in a vehicle parked in Pacific Palisades. The resulting investigation included increasingly strange circumstances reported in the media, involving the discovery of excessive amounts of weapons and cash, as well as tales of Lash being an ET-human hybrid working undercover for the CIA.

Follow up efforts to learn more from LAPD hit a dead end. Further inquiry revealed the Department would not be releasing files on the Lash investigation.

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Dawn VadBunker, one of the central
characters of the Lash case


The initial post has consistently received traffic. Week in and week out, regardless of what is cycling in the news and what is discussed around ufology, the summary of the Lash case receives anywhere from a hundred to several hundred views per week, now making it the second most viewed post ever on The UFO Trail. For whatever reasons, and a year after the story first broke, people remain interested in the bizarre chain of events, at least in proportion to other genre-specific cases.

Website traffic logs indicate the visitors originate from IP addresses at universities, libraries, hotels, offices of state and city government - pretty much anywhere one might get on the internet. The traffic is also international, as our peers in Australia, South America and Europe, among other locations, appear intrigued by events surrounding Lash.

Visitors also include IP addresses assigned to United States federal agencies, including locations both domestic and abroad. Traffic logs suggest visits specifically to the post on Lash repeatedly occurred from multiple offices of the Department of Defense and the Navy Network Information Center, as well as IPs assigned to the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice.

I do not offer explanations as to why the Lash saga draws such interest. I'd imagine there are lots of different reasons.

One dynamic I have pondered and will offer for consideration is, when a story gets legs, any number of demographics might desire to further understand and duplicate that interest. Such demographics might range from writers and Hollywood executives to intelligence analysts who specialize in propaganda and the accompanying social media operations. While the popular interest in the Lash story, and how such interest might be intentionally cultivated, could indeed seem a worthy object of attention, the reverse dynamic might also deserve its share of consideration: Minimizing publicity and the resulting impact of a story.

Involuntary Human Experimentation

There is a trial currently taking place, little discussion as it may generate in most circles, that involves involuntary human experimentation conducted by the American intelligence community. It's the Guantanamo war court.

Implications include the use of non-lethal weapons, or at the least such claims are being made. Incorrect claims might result from effects of trauma in some instances, among other reasons. Procedures used, widely known as "enhanced interrogation techniques," have caused permanent impairment, extreme trauma and death.

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CIA planned to hold Abu Zubaydah
"incommunicado for the remainder of his life"


Testimony includes statements that "noises and vibrations" are directed at prisoners as part of a psychological operation. Closed circuit television of the trial provided to journalists is intermittently turned off for security reasons. Moreover, extreme involuntary human experimentation was documented, among other sources, in the relatively recent Seton Hall University School of Law report, Guantanamo: America's Battle Lab - and the existence of Gitmo is hardly an isolated incident.

Prison Legal News, a project and publication of the nonprofit Human Rights Defense Center, reported in 2015 that some 54 nations were complicit in the operation of secret CIA prisons. Sources included reports from the US Senate and the Open Society Justice Initiative. Numerous international legal cases developed, with rulings leveled against the CIA. I devoted a chapter to such circumstances in my book, The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community. The chapter is titled 21st Century US Illegal Human Experimentation.

Furthermore, a career intelligence officer, one frequently invited to speak as an expert at UFO-related events, asserted mind control was "coming back" - nine years ago. He added that technology would enable modification of the behavior of enemies, specifically citing those held at Guantanamo, via electronic means.

"We're now getting to where we can do that," John Alexander stated during an interview published by The Washington Post in 2007.

I'm not suggesting all the claims, by either prisoners or intel officials, are entirely accurate. Neither am I necessarily suggesting all of it directly applies to events within the UFO community. Those are other issues for another time.

What I'm inviting readers to consider is that fringe-themed websites, which devote substantial content to either supporting or criticizing such topics as CIA-employed hybrids, UFO cover-ups, and advanced alien technology, take such little interest in what's happening at Gitmo and other black sites. Many of the circumstances are readily accessible via declassified reports, as well as credible sources, such as those linked above, which analyze those reports. Nonetheless, members of the UFO community typically seem uninterested or poorly informed about the activities and scope of the intelligence community.

Meanwhile, for each of you who will read and consider the contents of this post, several hundred more will read about Lash.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Klaatubarada on Jun 3rd, 2016, 5:51pm

on Jun 3rd, 2016, 5:05pm, jjflash wrote:
Hey, all,

Thought some of you might find my latest blog post of interest.

what's happening at Gitmo


I came across a sentiment about Gitmo. I don’t recall the exact words but it went along something like this. “Shove a glass rod down their penises and then take a hammer and pulverize the glass rod. But give them a lot of beer before you do that.”


They don't get my sympathy.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Jun 4th, 2016, 12:24am

on Jun 3rd, 2016, 5:51pm, Klaatubarada wrote:
I came across a sentiment about Gitmo. I don’t recall the exact words but it went along something like this. “Shove a glass rod down their penises and then take a hammer and pulverize the glass rod. But give them a lot of beer before you do that.”


They don't get my sympathy.


I think JJ was referring to the techniques used to produce the zombies we have roaming around Klat
The technique you mention is akin to eating crushed glass...or bamboo splinters..
Rest assured..all those methods became hot property of the US researcher teams..after wars end..Same for pows that ever returned from NK
One would almost think we have people that envy these regimes..Sadam had people that wrote books showing how to remove fingernails during interrogation..since purged after his fall. Afghanis removed the souls of feet to extract info.
There is no bottom to these things. The program however continues to behaviorally modify the masses.

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Klaatubarada on Jun 4th, 2016, 07:37am

on Jun 4th, 2016, 12:24am, SysConfig wrote:
I think JJ was referring to the techniques used to produce the zombies we have roaming around Klat
The technique you mention is akin to eating crushed glass...or bamboo splinters..
Rest assured..all those methods became hot property of the US researcher teams..after wars end..Same for pows that ever returned from NK
One would almost think we have people that envy these regimes..Sadam had people that wrote books showing how to remove fingernails during interrogation..since purged after his fall. Afghanis removed the souls of feet to extract info.
There is no bottom to these things. The program however continues to behaviorally modify the masses.


I think the term “innocents” is used too loosely by the liberal press.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Jun 23rd, 2016, 12:48am

Family members of Lash reportedly intend to destroy stockpiled weapons, and all were legally purchased, although reasons for the collection and cash on hand "remain a mystery":

https://gma.yahoo.com/family-plans-destroy-stockpile-inherited-guns-ammo-worth-232706532--abc-news-topstories.html
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Jun 23rd, 2016, 12:34pm

on Jun 23rd, 2016, 12:48am, jjflash wrote:
Family members of Lash reportedly intend to destroy stockpiled weapons, and all were legally purchased, although reasons for the collection and cash on hand "remain a mystery":

https://gma.yahoo.com/family-plans-destroy-stockpile-inherited-guns-ammo-worth-232706532--abc-news-topstories.html


Hi JJ I was at your site recently...had probs getting in ..anywho..
This imo was faked ..no way we can have as many presidential visits in one year not to mention Bidens visit..raising hundreds of thousands of dollars, tying up traffic etc right there in Gods Little green acre
with Police commisioner, an LA prosecutor next door , in disguise, JJ Abrahms, etc and hit a dead end like this. These visits are scouted way in advance and require in depth background checks of everyone there.
I can confidently call BullshT..but these same elements mentioned are enough to produce a fake false flag and promo for the gun control theme we saw.
Shameless..
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Jun 24th, 2016, 12:20pm

Not sure about what kind of problems you have at the blog, Sys, but thanks for your ongoing interest.

Lash... thought it was kinda interesting that it's now being worked into the published stories that all the weapons were legally purchased, a detail that, to the best of my knowledge, was never actually announced by law enforcement, just evidently becomes apparent somehow or other. Also thought the family opting to destroy a multi-million dollar anything is kinda interesting. And then there's the money just laying around. A real failure in the freedom of information process. They don't even release with redacts, just no docs at all was the stance.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Jun 24th, 2016, 2:07pm

on Jun 24th, 2016, 12:20pm, jjflash wrote:
Not sure about what kind of problems you have at the blog, Sys, but thanks for your ongoing interest.

Lash... thought it was kinda interesting that it's now being worked into the published stories that all the weapons were legally purchased, a detail that, to the best of my knowledge, was never actually announced by law enforcement, just evidently becomes apparent somehow or other. Also thought the family opting to destroy a multi-million dollar anything is kinda interesting. And then there's the money just laying around. A real failure in the freedom of information process. They don't even release with redacts, just no docs at all was the stance.


I posted links yesterday to your site at Breitbart because their article left out key points covered by you and the FOIA matter

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/06/23/guns-and-ammo-family-deceased-man-plan-destroy-5-million-guns/
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Jul 1st, 2016, 1:29pm

too funny
Not a mention of dead man found..

http://www.lapdonline.org/pacific_community_news

09/25/15 - 85-Year-Old Missing Man NR15332mjl

09/02/15 - Arrest Made on Venice Beach Homicide NR15299ml

08/25/15 - Pacific Bicycle Thefts NR15266lp

08/18/15 - Cub Reporters: Back to School Identification Card NA15155jr

08/12/15 - Critical Missing 12-Year-Old Adolescent NR15274jk

07/17/15 - Burglar Accidentally Takes Selfie in Victim’s Home NR15237jk

07/17/15 - Motorcycle Safety Enforcement Operation NA15140nv

07/14/15 - Officer Involved Shooting in Pacific NRF058-15jk

07/06/15 - Venice Beach to Display End of Watch Memorial Wall NA15131lp

06/02/15 - Armed Robbery Suspect Hits Two Restaurants Back to Back NR15187lp

05/21/15 - Burglary Suspects Caught on Video in Pacific Area NR15173ti

09/25/15 - 85-Year-Old Missing Man NR15332mjl

09/02/15 - Arrest Made on Venice Beach Homicide NR15299ml

08/25/15 - Pacific Bicycle Thefts NR15266lp

08/18/15 - Cub Reporters: Back to School Identification Card NA15155jr

08/12/15 - Critical Missing 12-Year-Old Adolescent NR15274jk

07/17/15 - Burglar Accidentally Takes Selfie in Victim’s Home NR15237jk

07/17/15 - Motorcycle Safety Enforcement Operation NA15140nv

07/14/15 - Officer Involved Shooting in Pacific NRF058-15jk

07/06/15 - Venice Beach to Display End of Watch Memorial Wall NA15131lp

06/02/15 - Armed Robbery Suspect Hits Two Restaurants Back to Back NR15187lp

05/21/15 - Burglary Suspects Caught on Video in Pacific Area NR15173ti
grin


Amazing the good faith efforts to find owners of cash
Attempt to Identify Owner of Lost Cash NR16102aj
Los Angeles: The Los Angeles Police Department Pacific Division Detectives are attempting to identify the male in the photo below.

On December 19, 2015, an unknown male had a morning meal at a local restaurant on Century Blvd near the LAX airport. The male left more than $8,000.00 cash at the booth where he was dining.

If you have any information about this person please contact Pacific Detectives at(310) 482-6313. During non-business hours or on weekends, calls should be directed to1-877-LAPD-24-7 (877-527-3247). Anyone wishing to remain anonymous should call Crime Stoppers at 800-222-TIPS (800-222-8477). Tipsters may also contact Crime Stoppers by texting to phone number 274637 (C-R-I-M-E-S on most keypads) with a cell phone. All text messages should begin with the letters "LAPD." Tipsters may also go to LAPDOnline.org, click on "webtips" and follow the prompts.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by jjflash on Jul 1st, 2016, 11:36pm

Oh, La La Land...

I was just reading earlier about how a consulting firm is accused by an LA gov-operated utility company of over billing and such - and the city alleges the consultants used the ill gotten gains on liquor and women. No kidding, that's what the city says.

The consulting firm denies any wrongdoing. They say the accusations of conducting wild parties and trips to Vegas are grandstanding on the part of the city in an attempt to imply the charges of over billing are justified.

Did I say, "Oh, La La Land..." yet?
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Jul 30th, 2016, 3:10pm

I was feeling nostalgic , and checked in the obits of Catherine Nebrons Dad Irwin the Candyman
Only 1 person visited for such a popular and influential man, Cathy his only daughter never dropped a note. not even Ruth his wife, still kickin the bobo.
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I then looked up Jeffreys dad Joseph, not a peep, from anyone,not even that partner Shirley Anderson, the Bother jerry, the many grieving cousins suing the estate. Only elaine Sherman from nevada ..just 1
I am so proud of myself that the have The ARC up there and my name..even though i had to plunk a couple of dollars..i think it was worth it.

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its so...peculiar
Then came Jeffrey..and wouldnt you know it? nobody came either..worse..he's not there! and if he is..certainly not by the name we were given, which was on a "valid" license..There was no rainbow coloring on it. So it mus be.
I was good at catching fake ss Cards from Mexicans. they would come in all colors yellow, green, purple..so you right off they were fake.
But back to Jeff..where is he?
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/latimes/obituary-search.aspx?daterange=99999&lastname=lash&countryid=0&stateid=all&affiliateid=all
seems to me a death certificate would be available somewhere considering the probate matter and all.
We would not need an FOIA


Now it gets weirder

Anything strange it was called in..the 23 of July, and the body was not released yet or autopsy completed.
Atty who says he repped mystery gun man for almost 20 yrs provided this photo of Jeffrey Lash http://t.co/OrbeiF9dtE pic.twitter.com/oKJ65XvSeV

— KTLA (@KTLA) July 24, 2015

The coroner has not yet discovered a cause of death, the Los Angeles Times reported.


Anyone can call in to these sites but they called in a tad too soon.

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I just visited Als obit..and its full of comments and he was just a regular guy like us..so just sayin.

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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Jul 31st, 2016, 06:16am

Sys, your comments have not gone unnoticed. Appreciate your updates. kiss

My husband passed away 3 months ago and I just haven't had the same interest in JAL. Not sure why. But I still think about all of this weirdness. Maybe, just maybe, one day we will have answers. Not holding my breath on that one though.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Jul 31st, 2016, 3:04pm

on Jul 31st, 2016, 06:16am, cpeacock wrote:
Sys, your comments have not gone unnoticed. Appreciate your updates. kiss

My husband passed away 3 months ago and I just haven't had the same interest in JAL. Not sure why. But I still think about all of this weirdness. Maybe, just maybe, one day we will have answers. Not holding my breath on that one though.


Hi CP..I am truly sorry to see you hurt like that, and don't fault you at all ..you havent missed much. I dont post on this every day and its more like an afterthought actually.
We lost a member here and it really affected me personally to point I almost left.,
I am glad you checked in and always looking to your postsand presence. Nola and her lololol haha she always makes me smile too. There is more than just the case itself!
Hugz
Sys
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by MichelleJAL123 on Nov 26th, 2017, 6:05pm

Basically, the press reported whatever they wanted! Not on purpose disinformation but all the "sleuthing", comments and guessing added to it. I was his girlfriend for 31 years and will shortly be publishing a book called "One-Man Cult" which will tell you the truth about the story. You can find out more on my Facebook group, "Jeffrey Alan Lash Mystery". But happy to keep posting here. FYI: Dawn has very little to do with this story. She worked briefly for Catherine Nebron and just happened to be with her the night Jeff died (of natural causes).

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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by MichelleJAL123 on Nov 26th, 2017, 11:33pm

[quote author=jjflash link=board=hoaxes&num=1454476601&start=66#4 date=1466660887]Family members of Lash reportedly intend to destroy stockpiled weapons, and all were legally purchased, although reasons for the collection and cash on hand "remain a mystery":

I can assure you the family do not intend to destroy the weapons should they win the court case. They just want the money.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Nov 27th, 2017, 10:52pm

Just saw your posts..welcome to UCB..
The story gets interesting to me as far as the Asst DA living next door who players and promoters seemed to overlook..
FB is not a regular haunt for a variety of reasons..It gets more interesting as my Colleagues FOIA requests went unanswered. So we know officials like a police commissioner were involved..Catherine was basically using that as a storage place for her fathers huge collections of cds and other things..which would account for no lights
I will look at your posts at FB and see what you can add ..to fill in the gaps here..
Cya soon


Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Nov 30th, 2017, 1:36pm

Ermm Michelle..may I call you Michelle? I can't seem to find that group on facebook. do you have a link? I did find music by dystopia called one man cult..and truth be told..even facebook is a one man cult from my standing point but that is a horse of a different color..Dawn and her Mum in law ..seemed to be part of a cult..who would adopt their own daughter in law? Oregon was a curious choice to flee to..weird cults there if you recall the Indian krishna type cult that poisoned a whole town.back in the 90s..Their leader had his disciples have sex in front of him..people can be programmed to just about anything..sad.

I was going to PM or email you but gettraining looked a tad commercial and being paranoid about spam..I decided not to.
I am sure you can understand that. .we get kitchen equipment sellers all the time..and well..we just cant shake them away..never can be too careful. What is Gettrained?
Uff..you are so right about those papers and stations especially the Heart station..read they are near bankruptcy..and Palisades..well.. you know how those closed richie rich movie producer communities are..almost incestuous..truth be told..wink Their paper was very non responsive to some key questions..is it possible..collusion?

I bet you will have a great story to tell..please do share some highlites..without giving it away.. wink
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by MichelleJAL123 on Nov 30th, 2017, 3:48pm

Yes, call me Michelle (and I forgive you for printing my last name as "Lyin'" instead of "Lyons" in one of your earlier posts). It's a crazy story for sure. I do have a computer consulting business and my email address starts with GetTrained, but this is not something I am "selling" here, I work with attorneys on very specific legal programs. As for the group, here is the link:https://www.facebook.com/groups/290549454762353/?ref=group_header. It's called "Jeffrey Alan Lash Mystery". Right now, the main posts are the articles that were written back in 2015 and 2016, but it should get more interesting over time.
The Dawn factor was way overplayed in the press, and her "mother" made up a bunch of stuff to get money, according to Dawn's testimony at her depo.
Jeff. Catherine did live at the condo and the huge collection of CD's was Jeff's. He was a hoarder, hence the large number of guns, ammo and everything else. And yes, I went up to her home every night and eventually had to take away the trash for her as he had taken over every inch of her condo and she couldn't even use her garbage bins. But I never left any "green garbage bags". That was misreported (shocker, right?).

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Nov 30th, 2017, 5:21pm

Hi Michelle..that was a typo..io keys together..sorry..i'm the worst speller at ucb..maybe Cathy was a hoarder too..what do you thinkl?

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/granule/CREC-1994-02-01/CREC-1994-02-01-pt1-PgE8/content-detail.html

TRIBUTE TO JUDGE IRWIN NEBRON

______


HON. HOWARD L. BERMAN

of california

in the house of representatives

Tuesday, February 1, 1994

Mr. BERMAN. Mr. Speaker, I am honored to pay tribute to Superior
Court Judge Irwin Nebron, a recent recipient of the California Judges
Association Judge of the Year Award, the highest honor bestowed by the
organization. Judge Nebron, who presides in Van Nuys Superior Court,
has devoted much of his time in and outside the courtroom to helping
young people who have had problems with the law redirect their lives.
Many families in the San Fernando Valley owe a debt to Judge Nebron for
his selfless work.
The range of Judge Hebron's activities on behalf of youth is quite
extraordinary. He was a member of the 1990 task force investigating
juvenile alcohol and drug abuse for the National Council on Alcohol and
Drug Abuse of the San Fernando Valley; a member of the statewide
Juvenile Blue Ribbon Commission to reevaluate and recommend changes in
the California Juvenile Court Law, 1982-83; and the founder of Juvenile
Justice Connection Project, which provided a way for juvenile offenders
to receive help for problems that might otherwise have gone undetected.
To ensure the program's success, Judge Nebron personally recruited
doctors, therapists, counselors, and others to donate their services.
Judge Nebron's chambers offer concrete evidence of his warm and
caring personality. His desk is filled with jars of candy--licorice,
tootsie rolls, and other chewables--for the children who come to his
courtroom. However, it is not unusual for an attorney, judge, newspaper
reporter or long-time friend to partake as well.
Tireless and energetic, Judge Nebron leads a full life beyond his
professional duties. He is an ardent opera fan--his collection of
compact discs runs into the thousands--
a supporter of the arts and a
man committed to Judaism. His Jewish community activities include
service as a member of the ADL, Jewish Federation Council of Los

Angeles and a guardian of the Jewish Home for the Aged.
I ask my colleagues to join me in saluting Judge Irwin Nebron, a man
who has dedicated himself to making this a better world
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Nov 30th, 2017, 5:58pm

Good to see some activity on this case. It's been a while...

Hey SysConfig grin
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Nov 30th, 2017, 7:53pm

Hi CP!! grin Good to see you back. Hope holidays went well. It
Started with Michelle dropping in. Good to have an actual witness so we can compare notes maybe even add to her book she is writing. Looks like Cathy and Dawn (maybe?) emptied out the remaining storage units (Dawns rental specialty) during that long 2 week hiatus, depriving the other rightful heirs or assignees Maybe we can solve this incoherent narrative with stream of consciousness whilst we have presence of mind.It seems some document had to be in existence granting Catherine guardianship due to the physical state of jeff in final months, and he was getting cancer treatment which is a pretty rigid regimen. just sayin. smiley
Dawn still playing the perennial pity party about feeling loved..just wants to leave everything behind..its all about her..
This is where you come in Michelle
https://mynewsla.com/crime/2016/10/10/dead-mystery-man-owes-me-2-million-woman-sues-pacific-palisades-boyfriends-estate/
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The estate Attorney is independent generalist and not exactly a powerhouse in estates . No gov links of anykind.
but she lived really close to Catherine
Contact
1391 Palisades Dr
Pacific Palisades, CA, 90272
Office (310) 463-6845
she has big hands like Donna Summer..

the 2 reps Leslie parness and Sheklow look like they were pulled out of a hat..or maybe not lots of medical fraud out there crossed my mind..
One a physical therapist the other lots of Jewish civic groups and Health Insurance..
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What happened to Jeffs dads alleged Patent residuals? does that expire?
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by MichelleJAL123 on Nov 30th, 2017, 11:43pm

[quote author=Sys_Config link=board=hoaxes&num=1454476601&start=80#5 date=1512084119]Hi Michelle..that was a typo..io keys together..sorry..i'm the worst speller at ucb..maybe Cathy was a hoarder too..what do you thinkl?

Nope, that wasn't a typo! But as I said, you are forgiven wink. No, Catherine was not a hoarder. And apart from having a load of CDs, Irwin was not a hoarder either - I have been several times in the past to his home and there was nothing like that going on. The vast majority of the money Jeff had was loaned to him from me or Catherine, hence the lawsuit. Jeff didn't have cancer and was not getting treatment for it. He died from ALS and then his cousins all lined up to get the goods. Dawn really has nothing to do with this story, and her role in this story was blown completely out of proportion by the press and the mother. Jeff did claim to be part alien, by the way - he had a great imagination!
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by MichelleJAL123 on Nov 30th, 2017, 11:47pm

on Nov 30th, 2017, 7:53pm, Sys_Config wrote:
It seems some document had to be in existence granting Catherine guardianship due to the physical state of jeff in final months, and he was getting cancer treatment which is a pretty rigid regimen. just sayin. smiley


What happened to Jeffs dads alleged Patent residuals? does that expire?


No documents granting guardianship - it was a complex situation but she and I and a couple of other women looked after him. There were never any residuals, at least none in the last 20 or 30 years.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 1st, 2017, 01:50am

Who paid for his medications, before he went with Catherine? and do you have receipts that establish a continuity of care? whether cash or card..you get a receipt I have not reviewed my archives but I recall one of you had a nursing certificate..ALS require therapy as well as special meds....Were one or more of you caring and getting reimbursement from Insurance like a live in assistant..that sort of thing? Being that he could not Drive obviously in last months..how did Catherine miss the Garage where she allegedly Lived? Unless of course..she stayed elsewhere.

People going through the final stages of ALS eventually cannot even breathe on their own, let alone walk, stand or perform most of the functions of independent living. As the disease reaches its final progression, weak respiration can cause fatigue, headaches, mental confusion and even pneumonia. Insufficient respiration is one of the main causes for death among ALS patients. This stage may also make it impossible for patients to talk, drink or eat by mouth, notes the Muscular Dystrophy Association.

While respiratory problems are the most frequent cause of death for ALS patients, others die from malnutrition stemming from swallowing issues. Others die from pulmonary embolism, or a blockage in one of the arteries inside the lungs, and cardiac arrhythmias, or abnormalities in the electrical pacing system of the heart. Pneumonia causes death when too much fluid or food enters the lungs. Hospice care is a common step to maximize quality of life and comfort during this phase, as stated by the Muscular Dystrophy Association.


wasn't Catherines exhusband the same dentist who provided the dental records to the coroner? And how did he wind up not contacting authorities..at death? .How was Jeff able to communicate his last wishes..when he could not speak..he essentially hindered an assesment of proper time of death..and she hindering Jeffs ability to die in some comfort in a hospice...she might have even accelerated his death..truth be told..see..things don't add up..of course you werent there..at the lot behind starbucks..they can tell the court the world anything..whether it's digested easily is another thing.

momentary pause for a station break from the station with a heart sad
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iheart-creditors-reject-another-offer-from-company-as-they-push-for-chapter-11-1512090362

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 2nd, 2017, 04:08am

Certainly the Alien cover story was rubbish and little wonder LMH and Streiber hitched a ride on it given the bevy of alien hybrid stories that had preceded it mere weeks and months before...Just like anti russian propaganda the trick is to keep it in the air before truth has a chance to put its boots on ..as Mark Twain would put it.
And just as it does you must be prepared with an even more fantastic claim as made by Cathy Nebrons ex husband who allowed Jeff to come in and take over almost immediately and the duration of 9 years, at the point of a gun and threats, fork over all his Dental practice income, pack up his clothes, and move into his dental office..and give Jeff a quitclaim deed of his share of the condo, which I had thought was in the Nebron Trusts name anyway, but even so..not even the most liberal swingers open marriage..could you expect something like this to happen unless..some sort of drug like scopalomine were administered everyday..but there..you have amnesia..here you have details spelled out..so that would negate that..
alert..paywall..not worth the money
https://www.palipost.com/jeffrey-lash-update-2-5-million-claim-filed/

And it's here that Michelle Lyons is mentioned with the 1M claim..which actually imo is quite conservative given 30 years of hand and foot service for a crippled agent.
I have no idea who Cheryl is..just someone who did an ad or spot for dear Phillip
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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 2nd, 2017, 07:33am

lets pass on the above gender question and concentrate on this
which clears up the 4way dual couple situation from the most recent article in Hollywood Report September 2017..quite recent in fact
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/a-decomposing-body-10-duped-girlfriends-saga-alien-con-man-hollywoods-backyard-1037967
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Note the lack of power in garage..as well as lack of water..while danger of moisture to guns was given as a reason for shutting off water it clashes with lack of power which could be used to maintain ambient temperatures necessary for gun temperature preservation and powering dehumidifiers..used by serious gun collectors..
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while circumventing that problem, adding more victims..one a missing person Tara, and totally ignoring the Asst DA down the hall so to speak, whos shed was used to inventory the money and items..the writer Sharpe..does a disservice and actually helps deflect from a very likely sting or honeytrap gone bad..
I am amused that somehow this made it to the Catholic Reporter in the Phillipines
http://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=62291

the latter country tangentially mentioned in a concurrent arms smuggling bust involving the same country and with Chinese criminals and a Democrat politician.oddly a Phillipine license tag was seen on the wall of the Asst. DAs Whelma LLanos garage itself, who also happens to be Pacific Asian
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Anyhow..That omission by Sharpe Editor in Chief of the PP..makes the article untrustworthy, and unusable for an honest book as well. It makes the difference for the end product being a mediocre work of fiction or a Great non fiction biography & best Seller. Just my dos chavos.


It would be awesome if we can get a last name on that Tara..it piqued my interest..
and one more thing Michelle..can you clear up the following problem I have with this Michelle as a relative here..
Is that you?
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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 3rd, 2017, 02:03am

I wasn't Aware that Catherines Mum Ruth Nebron just passed away in June 2017. My sincere condolonces..Her Maiden Name Altmann and survivors are some really brilliant people. Super brilliant and beloved at Princeton. What happened to the children on the lash and Nebron side is beyond me..they are smart too but dysfunctional..imo..sometimes..this happens when children are raised in environment where parents super involved with careers growing in the shadow of greatness..they believe they can't compete..or achieve..but who knows.
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https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/from-babies-to-baboons-one-womans-path-to-success/
https://mediacentral.princeton.edu/media/Memorial+Service+for+Stuart+A.+Altmann/1_74nd3fol/13468181




Stuart Altmann Ruths Brother passed away from Alzheimers..the resemblance to Jeff is eerie..though not related. Based on the Coroners statements Jeffs body was too decomposed to tell what he died from AlS or Cancer..but the emaciation of facial features tells us something is not right in either case.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Dec 3rd, 2017, 08:30am

SysConfig your sleuthing skills are amazing! Very much appreciated.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 3rd, 2017, 5:44pm

on Dec 3rd, 2017, 08:30am, cpeacock wrote:
SysConfig your sleuthing skills are amazing! Very much appreciated.

CP I am flattered..you and nola were in this from the very beginning before we were unceremoniously booted off the sleuther pro website.we owe them one...and I hope that helps..but you see the difference when we find characters presented in full 3 dimensions..versus the 2d cardboard cutouts provided elsewhere..and then asked to suspend disbelief..
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by ZETAR on Dec 3rd, 2017, 7:19pm

grin

CPEACOCK,

"SysConfig your sleuthing skills are amazing!"

YES INDEED ~ SYS HAS BEEN KNOWN TO COWBOY UP!

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SHALOM...Z


Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 4th, 2017, 4:33pm

It would be so amazing..If the Rest Of The world caught up to the Jeffrey Lash Story..like an East Coast Meets West Coast..If.. of course being The operative word here....Things like this always seem to involve troubled youth and tortured souls..

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by MichelleJAL123 on Dec 4th, 2017, 5:03pm

Trying to answer all your questions/comments at once.
Jeff’s last wishes were already known before he died. And why did they not contact authorities (or even let me know that he died)? Good question. I do have partial answer in my book. But I can assure you no-one hindered him from going to hospice – he did what he wanted and that would never cross his mind. He was an unusual, unreasonable person!
My claim was $1.8m, and I keep remembering more! Ex-husband of Catherine’s greatly exaggerates (as usual) and the quitclaim was only part of the story and was for Catherine not Jeff. Why did Jeff go to Catherine’s home? Ah, cannot reveal just yet! (Sorry. I am not trying to be mysterious here, but must save some of the juicy stuff.)
I would say 900+guns = serious gun owner (though the press, in their infinite wisdom, reported 1200). Hoarders are not reasonable people, I can assure you. And FYI, he refused to ever take conventional medicine or see conventional doctors.
I am not Michelle Eagerer Gorin – that is probably Phil’s ex wife.
As for the DA next door, totally irrelevant to this story – so I hope you can graciously give up on that!
As for Tara, I have her full name, date of birth, etc. Since you are A1 sleuth (according to cpeacock, and I concur), I would be willing to give you the info privately. Let me know if you are interested.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 4th, 2017, 6:18pm

Thank you for your understanding. This is why I work solo 90 percent of the time. I am quite a difficult person to get along with in person or in a group..dreadfully so..I can't leave LLanos alone, and you must admit that the estate atty living next door is just a tad too convenient and smacks of greater control at work,(then again it might be all she can afford after Braun) and to be candid appears an attempt to leave you out of the picture as far as $$$. Though..I am sure given YOUR own background at EsqWired..you will give them a VERY VERY tough run for the money..

LLanos hid under the veil of a marketing company Brooks Adams research dealing with surveys..retirement communities..etc..with a just as mysterious link to Va
Bob Adams co founder
As for Eberstein..puhleeze won't go there..and that Pusillanimous Phillip, he still appears married as no evidence of Divorce..
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..so that I just can't chalk it off as a random coincidence..
It's curious..You can't find Wily Whelmas pic anywhere but can her salary Co DA's etc..Hope I dont have to start hopping and unmasking from before Loyola.
but..I'll continue at a later point as this has me salivating at the moment. You don't have to respond to everything I put down.
https://disobedientmedia.com/2017/12/victims-testimony-reveals-establishment-connected-east-coast-trafficking-network/
lots of data points..lots of breadcrumbs there..so little time to eat..


Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Dec 4th, 2017, 8:09pm

SysConfig - ride em cowboy. You are a hoot. And puhleeze take time to eat - we need your input.

It's been a while but I remember trying to get in touch with the guy who wrote the article for Playboy. He never responded. Also the local Palisades newspaper but no response from there either. I don't understand why the seeming lack of interest in this story. This is indeed a true mystery. But cowboy you keep up the good work. I'll keep on reading.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 4th, 2017, 8:30pm

That was a funny one..I have his records somewhere on my Hardrive he was in an IMDB movie as well. Everyone in LA is an actor. The fact Playboy took it was fascinating..because Frances Was an Editor there too back in the day.
To be fair Barnette did include that detail in the playboy article
https://www.playboy.com/articles/jeffrey-alan-lash
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like kevin beacons several degrees of whatever.
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This is a very strong willed focused entrepreneur..self employed for over a decade. That's remarkable...Takes skill..talent..discipline.sacrifice..extraordinary multitasking .She could have worked for CIA # NYT or Wapo..if she wanted too..Have you read what they pass off as writers lately??..good grief!...I'm surprised no one has snatched her up.Truth be told..on the other hand..woe for us too if THEY had..
grin wink
Whats happened here is the same as happened in Las Vegas..in Seth Rich..when Intel agencies are involved..Silence you can slice thru with a knife..
And as I stated about LA..everyone an actor or a looneytune, I was remiss in leaving out the Thugs that feed their bad habits. When sleepy little neighborhood residents personal lives and secret lifestyles are threatened ..the walls quickly come up..when Epstein of Lolita express infamy noted a visitor admiring the marble walls at his estate..he remarked..They're fake.

Perhaps..Frances may be the one that cracks thru the fake veneer..of the stars at Palisades..
The elites should be worried..because there is nowhere to run.no CYA....from what is approaching them from the horizon..

we'll see.. cool
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 5th, 2017, 01:22am

Marry Cummings site
http://marycumminsrealestatemarycummins.blogspot.com/2015/07/jeffrey-alan-lash-at-1770-palisades-dr.html


UPDATE: 12/08/16 The decedent's estate is in probate case number BP165266 filed in lacourt.org Go to civil case summary and you can follow the case. You can

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxE8KfVPjYF4QXhSTnFuWVNZbXc/view?usp=sharing

Case Number: BP165266
LASH, JEFFREY - DECEDENT

Filing Date: 07/31/2015
Case Type: Decedent's Estate (General Jurisdiction)
Status: After Court Trial - Order/Judgment 11/16/2015

Parties

BRAUN HARLAND WILLIAM - Associated Attorney for Claimant

BROOKMAN DANIEL FREDERICK - Attorney for Decedent

COHEN ROBERT ALAN - Attorney for Petitioner

GORIN PHILLIP G. - Claimant

LASH JEFFREY - Decedent

LYONS MICHELLE - Petitioner

NEBRON CATHERINE - Claimant

PANAJOTOVIC SONJA MILA - Attorney for Petitioner

PARNESS LESLIE - Petitioner

PEREZ PHILLIP ALLAN - Attorney for Claimant

PEREZ PHILLIP ALLAN ESQ - Attorney

RUTTENBERG GARY M. ESQ - Attorney

RUTTENBERG GARY MITCHELL - Attorney for Petitioner

SAMUELS S. ZACHARY - Attorney for Claimant

SHEKLOW SANFORD - Petitioner

SHERMAN ELAINE - Petitioner

SUPERIOR COURT - Court

TOYOTA MOTOR CREDIT CORP. - Claimant

WELTMAN SCOTT S. ESQ - Attorney

There were many claims. Some were rejected.

Thanks to the person who told me to check the court records.

Coroner's report. He died of heart disease.

http://mec.lacounty.gov/wps/portal/mec/main/home/caseinformation/casedetail?CaseNum=2015-04936

Case Number:
2015-04936
Name:
JEFFERY LASH
Date of Birth:
12/03/1954
Age:
60 years
Ethnicity:
UNKNOWN
Gender:
MALE
Date of Death:
07/17/2015

Place of Death:
VEHICLE
Manner:
NATURAL
Cause A:
ATHEROSCLEROTIC CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE

Cause B:
N/A
Cause C:
N/A
Cause D:
N/A
Other Significant Causes:
N/A
Investigator:
KIM
Deputy Medical Examiner:
DR. GUTSTADT
Case Status:
CLOSED
Body Status:
READY

well.. grin

We missed his Birthday on the 3rd!
Happy Birthday Jeff!
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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 5th, 2017, 03:03am

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https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2crosz/elaine-sherman
All she did was run a weight loss and referral service for surgeons or sometin'

Oh Look..There goes my name up there forever..
and Elaine Shermans too!!...I wonder what her petition is all about?

I noted that Catherine had sold her interest in the Condo to herself Bluewater Ventures llc active since 2013..
https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2l61md/catherine-nebron
I am curious about that..there are so many by the same name..
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Dec 5th, 2017, 07:26am

Lawzeemeeee - once the attorneys are paid, not gonna be much left. grin

Really? AHD? After so much decomp - how did the pathologist find that?

SysConfig you ROCK
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 5th, 2017, 07:50am

on Dec 5th, 2017, 07:26am, cpeacock wrote:
Lawzeemeeee - once the attorneys are paid, not gonna be much left. grin

Really? AHD? After so much decomp - how did the pathologist find that?

SysConfig you ROCK


I dont know if those probate hearings are closed..but 2 more coming up on bthe 21 and another in Jan ..
http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/casesummary.aspx?#DOC


hehe poor Jocey subpoenaed for deposition.noted shes not suing for anything..thats good..maybe all that food delivered and physical therapy wasn't paid for..stiffed the cooks, the pt, the wives.the bank, .lol

11/29/2017 Motion - Compel (Third Party Witness J Eberstein to Comply with Depo Subpoena )

only 2 or 3 vehicles involved..what happened to the dozen vehicles?

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 5th, 2017, 12:19pm

Michelle just message me and provide the details with some context and I'll message you back what I can find..I can't promise quick results..but will try my best..

(add)..Ya know Michellle. you were very lucky..the PC/legal work you do keeping your mind active, sharp, and away from him while you worked..that probably saved you from going over the deep end like Catherine. She seemed to have a more sedentary life style at home.establishing that Blue Ventures to work from home..He probably targeted his victims..ie..researched them..there are lots of trusts accounts in throughout the area..and with a little homework..create a list..pick ones not too close ..with a business at Catherines it would be easy to fool you shes just a fellow agent or whatnot.office equipment there and everything..to look like a CIA shop.
overcoming the natural sixth sense a woman would have..who wants to believe..
You were very very lucky..because imagine had you been alone w/him..and confronted him..like maybe this Tara might have..you would not be writing a book..but maybe find yourself in a chapter in someone elses...

Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 5th, 2017, 11:38pm

Just when I think I'm getting settled for the night...

I must ask this ..It seems Bluewater was not the only business thereunless this place was rented out to somone else..for a period of time.. The problem for me was the AKAS for the Garbazc which must have been phillips old landline..as it led to him. Then that out of left field Hollingsworth who was deceased as best i can tell..that led to a Legal consulting firm Klinedinst pC now based in San Diego.


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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by MichelleJAL123 on Dec 6th, 2017, 3:31pm

Jeff didn't target Catherine - she was my best friend and I introduced them in 1984 or 1985. As for internet searches, they are, sadly, not usually accurate. For example, I found one that listed my phone number belonging to someone else, and another about my business that claimed my annual income was 1.5m (I wish) and I had 10 employees (I have none). Catherine owns commercial property in Ventura (on that street that is listed with Hollinger) not San Diego, and he might have been one of her tenants. To my knowledge, no other businesses ran out of Catherine's home.
Yes, I did keep my mind sharp with my work, but not quite sharp enough to escape Jeff. Until he died.
How do I message you privately?
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 6th, 2017, 4:26pm

How do I message you privately?
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click on the on the icon underneath my name . If you hover over it it says pm and it will take you to pm menu..after completing
message click on send. Note you will also see last message I sent you. You can also reply from there.
make sure you put something in subj header
Its good to start from that icon under a members name as their name is inserted automatically and you don't have remember spelling..Mine you will see Inktomi an old name I used originally.
don't worry about that. You can always replace with Sys_Config..just dont forget the spaceunderline..unlike yourself..It's very unforgiving of typos
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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 8th, 2017, 7:39pm

I wonder why Dawn had in her possession Catherines estate papers as she mentions a Stan Yates in her heart wrenching letter to Laura? Very odd if she only dealt with run of the mill real estate rentals or was just a personal asst to help with with dear Jeff.
Truthfully, I have come to the conclusion..a tad too late in life....I am in the wrong racket...sad
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What did happen to Stan. One of possibly more fed 990 shows he exerts control as an officer..just with the sexton foundation.with 12 Million in assets.Is he managing the Nebron Trust too?
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 9th, 2017, 3:43pm

Due to severe time constraints, holidays, etc.. I am suspending my research into the Lash affair until Michelles book comes out.
It should be a great book touching on the dangers of cult development & control..how fragile our minds are .How resilient the human spirit is..
giving substantial weight to the saying..There but for the Grace of God go I..
Until then...
Shalom
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Dec 11th, 2017, 8:59pm

A huge THANK YOU SysConfig for all the effort you have put into this case.

Keep on keeping on...
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 13th, 2017, 11:21pm

Thank You Cheryl! kiss
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 15th, 2017, 11:02pm

I was just rereading and sorting out things..not researching.. and found this peculiar concerning Jeffs & Jerry Lashs lawyer Rentze.
why would a generalist atty use a microbiologist (jerry) in drunk driving cases? I am aware that bacteria in the gut can produce alcohol byproducts or symptoms but it's kinda of a stretch for an atty to bring one in ..I would think..
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I found it odd that he had deteriorating health severe enough to have one of his elite team members Tara perform psychic healing as late as 2005..and disappeared after some reported anger bouts because it failed...what gets me is Catherin went along with lying to Michelle deception ( remark to Michelle..your boyfriend).as if to make her own relationship with Jeff purely business/working..

Another contradiction is that Jeff never sought medical treatment..yet we know from the Physical therapists at the probate court..he did..and we know from Gorins submission to the LA Coroner of Lashes Dental records (used to ID Lash) that's pretty much a certainty and irrefutable proof..that his phobia of treatment by doctors..was not unlimited..
And that he was aware of his condition before 2005..looking at Stephen Hawkins own ALS. the longest lived ALS patient to date..its evident that he needed continual care much longer before 2015
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stephen-hawking-als/
After those Radiotronic machine purchases..Looks to me like Michelle was a victim of a ring maybe involving fake practitioners and standby lawyers....I had a distant cousin who went to jail as a fender bender..in LA too..ie fake. When he was hit..he had a routine doc and lawyer process it all turnkey style and he'd get a check....He would tell me things..about how a HUD official ran a fencing op..cashing stolen SS checks..all caught of course..people just have no idea what goes on in these sleepy communities..or the noisy ones..and how its pillars & upstanding citizens.. in turn.. earn their keep..

update..but then again Rentzer is probably among the last of the creative lawyers
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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 17th, 2017, 11:29pm

Michelle..Good Luck at Tuesdays Hearing! Keep us posted..
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by MichelleJAL123 on Dec 19th, 2017, 4:08pm

Thanks! It's Thursday actually. I'm not going but my attorney will attend. Hoping to finally get a trial date in the probate matter.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by MichelleJAL123 on Dec 19th, 2017, 4:16pm

And just to comment on Jeff’s health situation – he always preferred to work with alternative healers whenever possible. I believe he may have become desperate enough to try conventional doctors but didn’t really trust their opinions/advice. He scoffed at one who told him he’d become a quadriplegic, but that did indeed come to pass. He trusted Phil Gorin to a certain extent when it came to his dental capabilities. I don’t know which “physical therapists at the probate court” you are referring to. And yes, I was certainly deceived by them about many things! More about that in the book.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 3rd, 2018, 10:43am

Back from Magonia..
I meant to ask you if you ever spoke or ran into the Asst Da Whelma LLanos who lived there and being that Cathy and your were together for a while for healing.. .and any possibility..(speculation is ok) there was a crossover between the Paddock arms case in Las Vegas Nevada. I believe Elaine was from Henderson NV, and someone else..Its a bit of a haze for me at the moment.. I seem to recall one party that Dawn knew ran a survivalist training camp and said some unpleasant things about her...and did Jeff ever attend any of the live fire excursions they have in Nevada.They even use helicopters! .thanx!
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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 4th, 2018, 4:35pm

wow..Lawyers are eating this up...case going to Trial in April..Good Grief! 11 liars lawyers grin

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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 7th, 2018, 6:16pm

Is Michelle A Time Traveler ? grin


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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 7th, 2018, 6:28pm

Sys - great find there Detective. What in the world?? BTW she uses the same pic on the Facebook page created about JAL.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 7th, 2018, 6:48pm

on Feb 7th, 2018, 6:28pm, cpeacock wrote:
Sys - great find there Detective. What in the world?? BTW she uses the same pic on the Facebook page created about JAL.


hi cp! grin

Well she certainly hasnt aged..I'm Jealous..D ..I can see the photo appearing sytem wide..but not system dependent date..she can't control that..I saw Frances and what I thought were Cathy nebron at a gym..but the Cathy Nebron I saw in facebook looked a tad different..and starts off with waking up from a bad dream or sometin..


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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 7th, 2018, 6:54pm

Sys have you had a chance to look at the ML Jeffrey Alan Lash Mystery Facebook page?
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 7th, 2018, 7:22pm

Yeah its closed group ..has 22 24 members started in aug..1/2 members enrolled in sept ....no posts in last 30 days..
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290549454762353/
same pic Frances started posting on FB 2012



hey..maybe mark Zuckerburg got the idea for facebook from Michelle..She could sue..kidding
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or LE grasping at straws ..because that's the only party that can can have systemic changes done..ex..ID changes addys wayback archives....etc..
.giving shade and legs to the story...and has Michelle as the draw...as LE won't answer FOIAs..
whatever..its all crazy..
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Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by MichelleJAL123 on Feb 9th, 2018, 1:53pm

Welcome back Sys. No, I'm not a time traveler (as far as I know). Hm... Frances and Catherine do in fact go to the same gym! Are you also a member of that gymhuhhuh
As for the Facebook Group, I know you don't like Facebook but there is a truly fascinating dialogue between Martin O'Brien and my nephew Nick. Martin manages to ask incredibly incisive questions, and Nick seems to have an amazing understanding of Jeff's natures. It's quite revealing, and fascinating reading (sorry about all the superlatives, but I am quite excited about it).
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by MichelleJAL123 on Feb 9th, 2018, 2:04pm

Cheryl, did you get a chance to read that dialogue between Martin and Nick?
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 9th, 2018, 8:07pm

I was looking at the members..and with the guy you mentioned..Nick..the dude from Glasgow..What is the matter with Nicks Hands..hers too ...ghastly picture...did he photoshop.that?..because a kodak 110 can take a better pic than that..just sayin..If I were that kid I'd be screaming..shocked

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some embedded inages in there too..peculiar cool
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 10th, 2018, 6:09pm

Hardly anything on Martin except he prob believes in The White People From Space..and joined there not very long ago..

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Should make for some lively discussion....
I wonder if Nick is AgentDeadeye on The Fandom page for the Game 4thEchelon I saw on Twitter..

Ya know ..Ufology draws in a strange crowd as I am sure you gathered..Cali has 400+ orgs dedicated to it..Though I wonder why this would interest folx in the UK like Nick.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by cpeacock on Feb 11th, 2018, 12:55am

on Feb 9th, 2018, 2:04pm, MichelleJAL123 wrote:
Cheryl, did you get a chance to read that dialogue between Martin and Nick?


Yes. Very interesting. I did enjoy reading.
Re: Jeffrey Alan Lash
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 11th, 2018, 9:30pm

If I was the Probate Judge..here is how I would handle this..It would not take no 2years to figure this crap out..


I am actually surprised this is taking so long..as he was pronounced dead on 7/17/2015 and probate was filed on 7/31 exactly 2 weeks later..
What happened to Jeffs family laweyr Rense? I may have mis spelled his name..but he knew Jeff better than most...just sayin.