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« Reply #135 on: Jan 27th, 2016, 1:51pm »

Hey! Casebook is mentioned in this article! So I'm mentioning the article on Casebook... we're through the looking glass here, people!

Some of 'world's best ever UFO pictures' go online with CIA former top secret files
By JON AUSTIN
PUBLISHED: 00:13, Tue, Jan 26, 2016 | UPDATED: 00:51, Tue, Jan 26, 2016

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/637964/Some-of-world-s-best-ever-UFO-pictures-go-online-with-CIA-former-top-secret-files

A series of pictures of the bizarre disc were said to have been snapped by George Stock of Passaic, New Jersey, on July 29, 1952.

Now, the CIA has used one of the pictures, and a series of other historic UFO sightings, to highlight the top secret investigations it carried out in the 1940s and 1950s.

The US intelligence agency, often accused by UFO conspiracy theorists of being involved in a major cover up to hide evidence of alien life from the public, has for some reason chosen to upload some of its formerly classified UFO case files to its website.

Included among the files is that of the George Stock sighting.

Mr Stock was allegedly in his yard with a friend when they say the object appeared in the sky at about 4.30pm.

The story goes that Mr Stock ran into his house to grab his camera, before firing off five photos of the UFO.

They said it was flying at about 200 feet and then flew off at high speed.

The disc was described as solid, metallic and with a transparent, domed top.

The pair said it was a blue to grey colour, made no noise, and was about 10 metres across.

According to theparanormalguide.com, which catalogues former UFO sightings, despite being so clear, the shots received little attention at the time.

The blog said: "Considering these images of what may have been a UFO were so clear, they received very little attention, and for a good reason the various agencies in control asked media outlets and the police to stop taking on reports and reporting UFO events, as they were coming in too fast to handle news of UFOs were literally clogging up channels as 1952 saw a massive wave of sightings."

No firm conclusion was reached over the pictures, other than that they could have been an elaborate hoax, using a saucer and an upturned teacup.

It seems as though the CIA was not just interested in sightings above US soil though.

Another of the images placed online by the CIA is a sinister-looking multiple UFO sighting picture said to have been snapped over Sheffield, in northern England, in 1962.

The strange image, apparently of a fleet of bizarre dark-looking flying saucers, perplexed investigators and the media for ten years.

That was until the perpetrator of a clever hoax confessed everything.

In October 1972, the Daily Express, reported how Alex Birch, then a 24-year-old salesman, admitted that as a 14-year-old school boy he and two friends had pulled off the con.

He described them painting the five flying saucers on glass, then photographing them through it, which gave the impression that the UFOs were in the air.

Another image published by the CIA is that of a weird, large, bright disc allegedly snapped on October 20 1960 above Minneapolis in Minnesota.

It was never confirmed what the image was supposed to show, but it is believed to have been one of the first examples of a so-called "cloaked UFO" - a term devised by hardcore alien conspiracy theorists - who claim that flying saucer pilots sometimes conceal their crafts within clouds to avoid being seen.

According to ufocasebook.com, another site devoted to logging UFO sightings, it is a real uncertainty.

The website describes the picture as: "One of those "hard to be sure" images - it seems to show a large oval light source.

"No object is actually seen, but then again...where there's smoke, there's fire."


There's some nice photos and a slideshow there, but I don't have time to post them. Did I miss this CIA docu-dump? Anyone have any further info on this?
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« Reply #136 on: Jan 27th, 2016, 1:52pm »

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/blog/2016/take-a-peek-into-our-x-files.html

Wow. Of course, the devil has some things to show you... do you look?
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« Reply #137 on: Aug 13th, 2017, 1:21pm »

I'm pretty lost. I think there are plenty in the United States that may feel the same. There are some who should feel that way but instead act with misgided purpose.

What is the nature of belief? What is acceptable beli<ef? Well-founded belief? What is magical thinking, and how many of us make important decisions guided by that?

Yesterday, a white nationalist gathering transpired in Virginia, culminating in a destructive act by one of these marchers running down a crowd of people, killing a young woman and injuring many others. The pictures and videos of the marches were unsettling. Their stated goal was better representation for whites in the public and political space in America. The implication was different. Some wore makeshift riot gear; some were uniform coordinated; a good number exercised their right to bear arms; and there were many symbols in view of white supremacist ideology. They were there to object to the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee, and to stand up for white people.

It was a repugnant spectacle.

With the advent of the internet as a public forum and resource for any sort of information, conspiracy-minded or otherwise, the membership to fringe groups has swelled, including those hate groups that showed up in Virginia yesterday (actually the night before in a torch-lit march).

They have the right to assemble and speak, as long as they follow the rules and refrain from violence. I don't have a problem with their right to do so. I just find their views abhorrent and their numbers galling. That certain militia groups have thrown in with the white nationalists is not surprising and speaks truth to their lie that they don't espouse racism.

The UFO community is not unlike what is happening elsewhere in America. It is a fringe group whose members are fascinated with a concept the majority feel is grounded in magical thinking. How its members conduct themselves and state their world view often aligns with other fringe-related groups. You won't find me arguing that the paradigm of the norm holds all the answers to truth. But it is also imperative when dabbling along the fringe to scrutinize evidence more diligently, to ponder one's worldview more carefully, and to be more circumspect in what one says. Failing this self-regulation, one inevitably suffers invalidation and irrelevancy.

This is a UFO site, but it's also a microcosm of the world. We discuss many topics here, often passionately. And like the world at large, there is a steady stream of information and viewpoints, too many not to come within conflict with one another. Is there such a thing as too much information? It can be ridiculously hard to parse info. What should we give credence to when weighing one claim against another? What is erroneous or a distortion or a fabrication? Those are things UFO enthusiasts wrestle with all the time, but now so do people in "real space" all the time. Is the administration lying to us? Are scientists to be believed about climate change or vaccines or GMO crops? Are public schools a waste of time? Years ago, raising these questions would get you labeled as a crank. Now these questions are getting close to the norm. What is truth these days? Whatever you want it to be - that is until consequence comes calling.

It isn't that white nationalists marching and wishing to alter the way of American (or global) life that is frightening. It's the normalization and acceptance that's frightening. We shouldn't bar them from gathering and speaking; but moral people should denounce them at every turn and shower them with the scorn they deserve.

I abhor white nationalism and their enshrinement of authoritarism, subjugation, and violence. They are anathema to a civilized society. My feelings about the "Unite the Right" event in Virginia are no different. It was in equal parts sad, ugly, and frightening.

I am lost, as I feel my voice should not be alone in decrying this garbage. Am I alone in my feelings here?

PS: not interested in whataboutisms. If you feel George Soros or Antifa or BLM are bad groups, fine. It doesn't magically make the white nationalist movement good just because they exist on opposite sides of a spectrum.
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« Reply #138 on: Aug 14th, 2017, 10:37am »

"I just find their views abhorrent and their numbers galling."


AMEN! Makes me ashamed to be a white man.... We are better than that, as a nation, we are better than that. To be true, yes, there are exceptions, but we are better than that.

When I was growing up, Martin Luther King was one of my families heroes.....
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« Reply #139 on: Aug 14th, 2017, 1:22pm »

Thank you, Swamprat. I appreciate your sentiment. I've also enjoyed your posts about the cutting edges of science. It's great to celebrate those looking forward and pushing to advance humankind's knowledge.
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« Reply #140 on: Aug 14th, 2017, 5:32pm »

The KKK and groups like BLM are two sides to the same coin, hate.

I really believe there are many more Americans that are good people. We hear about the likes of the KKK. We don't hear about the many more good people that will form a chain in the water to save those swimmers they didn't know. Or the people on 9/11 that knew they might die & did their job anyway.

I am not giving up on humankind yet.

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« Reply #141 on: Aug 15th, 2017, 1:22pm »

I realize I said how you feel about BLM didn't matter about the rdiscussion about rising fascism, but it is an important distinction that regardless if you feel Black Lives Matter is a hate group (it's not), it doesn't account for the rise of white nationalism other than scapegoating. If BLM "wins", police will show exceptional restraint when apprehending people regardless of race. If white nationalists "win", non-whites become second class citizens.
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« Reply #142 on: Aug 15th, 2017, 2:16pm »

on Aug 15th, 2017, 1:22pm, Reasoner wrote:
I realize I said how you feel about BLM didn't matter about the rdiscussion about rising fascism, but it is an important distinction that regardless if you feel Black Lives Matter is a hate group (it's not), it doesn't account for the rise of white nationalism other than scapegoating. If BLM "wins", police will show exceptional restraint when apprehending people regardless of race. If white nationalists "win", non-whites become second class citizens.


Let's agree to disagree.

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