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Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by LoneGunMan on Jul 6th, 2016, 8:54pm

I have a question!!!!! Moon does not spin on it's axis! Pretty sure not a hell of a lot of water on the bright side so most of this water must be on the dark side!

How would earths gravity effect it? If in lake form on the surface, how does it remain in place with less gravity and no rotation?


jus' wonderin'!!!


Lone


Wouldn't the Moon flip over with all that weight on one side eventually? J/K
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by GhostofEd on Jul 6th, 2016, 9:22pm

Who says the moon does not rotate?
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by drwu23 on Jul 6th, 2016, 10:08pm

This is a nice overall look at the moon and it's properties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon

Regarding rotation:
"The Moon is in synchronous rotation: it rotates about its axis in about the same time it takes to orbit Earth. This results in it nearly always keeping the same face turned towards Earth. The Moon used to rotate at a faster rate, but early in its history, its rotation slowed and became tidally locked in this orientation as a result of frictional effects associated with tidal deformations caused by Earth.[117] The side of the Moon that faces Earth is called the near side, and the opposite side the far side. The far side is often inaccurately called the "dark side", but in fact, it is illuminated as often as the near side: once per lunar day, during the new moon phase we observe on Earth when the near side is dark."

(Sadly all of this information would be lost on our esteemed member in the other thread who believes it's all a conspiracy to keep us in the dark. No pun intended btw)



Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by LoneGunMan on Jul 6th, 2016, 10:35pm

Pink Floyd wouldn't lie to me Doc! Although I did have that on a loop for 4 days once under the influence of dubious substances. so I could be wrong!
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by INT21 on Jul 7th, 2016, 04:54am

Ah yes, the Moon's rotation.

This is one of those situations where you have to be very careful to use the right terminology, and to qualify it.

The Moon does not rotate around its own polar rotation in the same way the Earth does. Its axis of rotation is somewhere inside the Earth. This is why we on Earth always see the same surface, more or less.
An observer positioned outside Earth will see all the Moon's surface as it rotates around the Earth.

As for the gravity shift. Don't forget the Sun effects the Moon. More so when the Moon is on the Sun side of the Earth. Less so when the Earth is between the Sun and the Moon. This pretty much explains 'Moon quakes'.

So, does the Moon rotate around an axis ? Yes, but not it's own polar axis.

HAL
INT21

Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by drwu23 on Jul 7th, 2016, 2:29pm

According to the web sites I have read it does rotate on it's own axis...just very slowly ......or am I interpreting this wrong?
http://www.space.com/24871-does-the-moon-rotate.html

"The moon orbits the Earth once every 27.322 days. It also takes approximately 27 days for the moon to rotate once on its axis. As a result, the moon does not seem to be spinning but appears to observers from Earth to be keeping almost perfectly still. Scientists call this synchronous rotation.

From the same web site:
"The moon tilts on its axis about 1.54 degrees much less than Earth's 23.44 degrees. This means the moon does not have seasons like Earth does. However, because of the tilt, there are places at the lunar poles that never see daylight."


Some more facts about the moon for those interested in facts, and rational thinking.....and not conspiracy delusions. wink

http://www.space.com/18067-moon-atmosphere.html
trace and not breathable...

http://www.space.com/7332-moon-water-game-changing-discovery.html
trapped as ice and bound up in the dirt but no liquid water standing around...
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by drwu23 on Jul 7th, 2016, 2:57pm

HAL,
What do you make of this video and his comments? Do you have any idea where this alleged NASA image is from or is it from a Chinese orbiter... and if it's a fake, etc...?
I've seen many so-called moon images that purport to show structures and they mostly look like junk but this one does indeed look like buildings.
What's your take on this? Some of the you tube comments claim it's a hoax.....and that would also be my guess....but....?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKadoX3rfcE
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by GhostofEd on Jul 7th, 2016, 3:18pm

If you read the youtube comments on that video it will lead you to:

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-change-2-photos-of-alien-base-on-moon-hoax.t6174/

Yes, it's those evil skeptics again debunking but most of this nonsense deserves it. The posters and creators of these moon life conspiracy theories need to be held to the same standards they seem to demand by those who question them.

Here's a link from some of the metabunk comments to a pdf with interesting images and info from 1970.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19700021506.pdf
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by INT21 on Jul 7th, 2016, 4:04pm

Drwu,

It's like most similar stuff.

In the beginning the narrator is surprised that people from all over the world are at a NASA facility. Why is this ? NASA was always staffed by people from all over the place.
And from there follows the passing of supposedly top secret documents for a new arrival to see. How likely is that ?

The images become suitably out of focus just when it starts to get interesting.

I would suggest we just sit around and wait until some recognised international organization visits the scene and comes back with proper pictures.

There are some interesting pictures taken by the early Orbiter series Lunar satellites. And some of them leave you scratching your head.

But it is really pointless guessing what they are. We have no way of verifying anything.

Maybe some super spectacular find there that can be seen by semi professional astronomers from here will help.

Meanwhile, we wait.

HAL
INT21
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by MOKSHA on Jul 7th, 2016, 4:12pm

ZOND 7 1969

At the top of this image is some thing that has my interest for a long time, also near the center and slightly to the left.
ENjoy

.
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by INT21 on Jul 7th, 2016, 4:14pm

Ed,

Yes, that top link really nails it.

But no doubt some will still say its a base, maybe a city.

The bright areas on the other image are, I believe, known as areas of high albedo. i.e. Highly reflective areas.

HAL
INT21
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by INT21 on Jul 7th, 2016, 4:22pm

MOKSHA,

Are you referring to the long straight lines ?

HAL
INT21
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by INT21 on Jul 7th, 2016, 4:29pm

Talingrid,

Nothing wrong with speculation. As long as you identify it as such.

I suppose that there could be some form of microbial life on the Moon. Pretty much like it is possible that they will find similar on Mars.

The Moon is far more hostile than Mars though.

And even if there were microbes found, they wouldn't be building cities; no matter how advanced they were.

MOKSHA,

After a day or so for us to examine it, could you please reduce the picture size. It makes following the text pretty difficult.

HAL
INT21


Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by Klaatubarada on Jul 7th, 2016, 4:43pm

Yes I see it

User Image

Never mind the man in the moon, now its the muslim in the moon grin
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by MOKSHA on Jul 7th, 2016, 4:54pm

on Jul 7th, 2016, 4:22pm, INT21 wrote:
MOKSHA,

Are you referring to the long straight lines ?

HAL
INT21


HAL, I don't know how to make it smaller, so I deleted it, some one else already did, here is the link to all the images.

http://mentallandscape.com/C_Catalog.htm

To answer your question, "kinda" IMHO, it does look like structures,
whether they are natural or artificial IDK, but I have studied them,
long time now.

also the stuff in LUNA 9
WOW
not sure what to make of it.
Mkw
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by Klaatubarada on Jul 7th, 2016, 6:40pm

on Jul 7th, 2016, 4:54pm, MOKSHA wrote:
HAL, I don't know how to make it smaller, so I deleted it, some one else already did, here is the link to all the images.

http://mentallandscape.com/C_Catalog.htm

To answer your question, "kinda" IMHO, it does look like structures,
whether they are natural or artificial IDK, but I have studied them,
long time now.

also the stuff in LUNA 9
WOW
not sure what to make of it.
Mkw


1989 cccp photos. Get up to date
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by MOKSHA on Jul 7th, 2016, 7:09pm

on Jul 7th, 2016, 6:40pm, Klaatubarada wrote:
1989 cccp photos. Get up to date


what, are you talking about?


is there sumtin wong?

step off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY_i32emIZQ


rolleyes
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by Klaatubarada on Jul 7th, 2016, 7:31pm

on Jul 7th, 2016, 7:09pm, MOKSHA wrote:
what, are you talking about?


is there sumtin wong?

step off
http://mentallandscape.com/C_Catalog.htm
rolleyes


http://mentallandscape.com/C_Catalog.htm
Well shit, your post not mine, get off the vodka remember what you post will ya.
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by MOKSHA on Jul 7th, 2016, 8:03pm

on Jul 7th, 2016, 7:31pm, Klaatubarada wrote:
http://mentallandscape.com/C_Catalog.htm
Well shit, your post not mine, get off the vodka remember what you post will ya.


I think you might have me confused with some one else.

The link said it was ZOND 7, 8-11-1969,
if the link is wrong prove it,
don't ever attack me again or order me around, I don't take orders,
from people like you.

and stop swearing on this site.

Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by INT21 on Jul 8th, 2016, 05:03am

MOKSHA,

Probably not the same things I was looking at.

Some years ago I was looking through a book on the Moon's structure. It wasn't by one of the better known writers and I can't remember his name. But there were a number of enlargements of Lunar features in it. On one of them there was what looked very much like very long pipelines or maybe some kind of rail system.
Now, the problem was that they also looked as if someone had allowed a couple of hairs to get onto the photographic plates. But it was hard to call it either way.
Sadly the book is now not available and I can't get hold of another copy. Our library has been greatly depleted over the years. I recently have been trying to get hold of the life and works of Schopenhauer. No chance. I had to order in Nietzsche. there is very little of the old philosophy left these days.

HAL
INT21
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by INT21 on Jul 8th, 2016, 05:23am

MOKSHA,

http://mentallandscape.com/C_Zond07_A.jpg

Some interesting 'anomalies' here.

HAL
INT21
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by MOKSHA on Jul 8th, 2016, 05:27am

HAL,
I think I saw the same looking things, back in the day,
I'm not as obsessed with the structures as I used to be,
I almost took up gardening, but I got interested in
other things, like comedy and BUICKS.
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Buick
Mkw
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by MOKSHA on Jul 8th, 2016, 05:31am

on Jul 8th, 2016, 05:23am, INT21 wrote:
MOKSHA,

http://mentallandscape.com/C_Zond07_A.jpg

Some interesting 'anomalies' here.

HAL
INT21


In LUNA 9, the first panorama has a distorted image in the center,
which is removed from the others, I find it possible structure, with
magnetic potential, then at the far right of all the panorama's is a giant looking tower, which appears reflective.

Mkw
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by Klaatubarada on Jul 8th, 2016, 06:25am

on Jul 7th, 2016, 8:03pm, MOKSHA wrote:
I think you might have me confused with some one else.

The link said it was ZOND 7, 8-11-1969,
if the link is wrong prove it,
don't ever attack me again or order me around, I don't take orders,
from people like you.

and stop swearing on this site.


Would not want to meet you in the real world I bet you could beat the sheet out of me. kiss
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by MOKSHA on Jul 8th, 2016, 06:52am

on Jul 8th, 2016, 06:25am, Klaatubarada wrote:
Would not want to meet you in the real world I bet you could beat the sheet out of me. kiss


I,m not violent, and dislike people who
"BEAT" on others, but I do know how to defend myself,
if you want to address what has been said or posted,
I would be more than happy to do so, if you wish to get
"PERSONAL"
for reason you only understand, then hear this.
https://www.reverbnation.com/mhasok/song/24422242-she-mit
kiss
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by Klaatubarada on Jul 8th, 2016, 07:02am

on Jul 8th, 2016, 06:52am, MOKSHA wrote:
I,m not violent, and dislike people who
"BEAT" on others, but I do know how to defend myself,
if you want to address what has been said or posted,
I would be more than happy to do so, if you wish to get
"PERSONAL"
for reason you only understand, then hear this.
https://www.reverbnation.com/mhasok/song/24422242-she-mit
kiss



Dealing with trolls like you is really not worth the effort kiss kiss kiss
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by MOKSHA on Jul 8th, 2016, 07:11am

on Jul 8th, 2016, 07:02am, Klaatubarada wrote:
Dealing with trolls like you is really not worth the effort kiss kiss kiss


THEN WHAT
ARE
YOU DOING
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by Klaatubarada on Jul 8th, 2016, 07:20am

on Jul 8th, 2016, 07:11am, MOKSHA wrote:
THEN WHAT
ARE
YOU DOING



My bad, my bad I know but one last thing (the five on Fox News) one last thing. I can defend myself yea its called running. kiss kiss kiss kiss
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by MOKSHA on Jul 8th, 2016, 6:14pm

on Jul 8th, 2016, 05:23am, INT21 wrote:
MOKSHA,

http://mentallandscape.com/C_Zond07_A.jpg

Some interesting 'anomalies' here.

HAL
INT21


YEP,
HAL,
I see a deep anomaly there, might
NOT
be the same one you see,
but that's
OK
what happened to that,
NASTY GIRL?

https://www.reverbnation.com/mhasok/song/20153598-nasty-girl

yeah that's nasty, O yeah,
that's nasty!
undecided
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by ZETAR on Jul 8th, 2016, 8:52pm

grin

Domino's plans pizza on the Moon

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/8734456/Dominos-plans-pizza-on-the-Moon.html

"Domino's pizza has announced plans to conquer the final frontier by opening the first pizza restaurant on the Moon."

User Image

SHALOM...Z
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by MOKSHA on Jul 8th, 2016, 9:09pm

I'm not sure
PIZZA
should be made from dough, that has,
worms squirming in it,
PIZZA
with no worms
PLEASE
not too much to ask 4
Mkw
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by Cliff-67 on Oct 25th, 2017, 08:41am


Marius Hills and a Hole in the Moon


https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap171025.html




APOD/NASA


Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by MrGort on Oct 25th, 2017, 10:37am

on Oct 25th, 2017, 08:41am, Cliff-67 wrote:
Marius Hills and a Hole in the Moon


https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap171025.html




APOD/NASA



I'm still looking for the cities, lakes, and millions of people strolling about grin
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by INT21 on Oct 25th, 2017, 1:38pm

Gort,

..I'm still looking for the cities, lakes, and millions of people strolling about..

They are probably hiding in the forests down by the lakes. wink

HAL
INT21
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by INT21 on Oct 25th, 2017, 1:43pm

Gort,

You are a tech guy.

I'm running XP here and want to change my keyboard from (I think) English American to English UK. as I can't get the hash sign to show. I get a backslash when I press the hash key.
This means I can't use PICaxe as it requires the hash in it's programming.

Do you know how to make the change ?

I thought it would be via 'settings', but can't find it.

Anyone else feel free to chime in here.

HAL
INT21
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by MrGort on Oct 25th, 2017, 2:30pm

on Oct 25th, 2017, 1:43pm, INT21 wrote:
Gort,

You are a tech guy.

I'm running XP here and want to change my keyboard from (I think) English American to English UK. as I can't get the hash sign to show. I get a backslash when I press the hash key.
This means I can't use PICaxe as it requires the hash in it's programming.

Do you know how to make the change ?

I thought it would be via 'settings', but can't find it.

Anyone else feel free to chime in here.

HAL
INT21




Its been a while since I used XP. I currently use 10. Microsoft no longer supports XP. Id suggest an upgrade to 10. There is an option to upgrade with all your current settings and programs. Im not really sure how to solve your problem. I know when you install you get an opportunity to change your keyboard. When you install 10 it automatically recognizes your keyboard. Maybe the attached download would help? I have a Logitech mouse and keyboard and they have a program called set point to change keyboard functions and mouse operations. Maybe you can download that as well even if your keyboard is not Logitech?


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=22339

Good luck and I still have a bottle of moon water in the fridge. Thinking maybe I could sell it on eBay grin
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by GhostofEd on Oct 25th, 2017, 4:07pm

on Oct 25th, 2017, 1:43pm, INT21 wrote:
Gort,

You are a tech guy.

I'm running XP here and want to change my keyboard from (I think) English American to English UK. as I can't get the hash sign to show. I get a backslash when I press the hash key.
This means I can't use PICaxe as it requires the hash in it's programming.

Do you know how to make the change ?

I thought it would be via 'settings', but can't find it.

Anyone else feel free to chime in here.

HAL
INT21


Look at http://www.randyrants.com/category/sharpkeys/

I use it to remap several keys. I know some Logitech keyboard software utility programs have remap capability. I have a basic wired USB Logitech K120 keyboard and the Sharpkeys program works fine on Windows 10 and I've used it on Windows 7. It is suppose to work on XP. Read the FAQ at the link above.
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by INT21 on Oct 25th, 2017, 4:50pm

Gort, Ed,

Thanks for the links. I'll look into them.

If all else fails maybe I can use my XP CD to do a repair and that may allow me to change the setting.

I want to stay with XP as, although it is indeed obsolete, it does everything I need.
I don't like the idea of forever chasing Microsoft upgrades,

Sadly my brain is getting too old for Linux, tho' I have it installed and occasionally use it to get here.

HAL
INT21
Re: Speculation: water and Life inside the Moon
Post by Cliff-67 on Oct 25th, 2017, 9:44pm

on Oct 25th, 2017, 10:37am, MrGort wrote:
I'm still looking for the cities, lakes, and millions of people strolling about grin



grin grin grin