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xx WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Thread started on: Feb 19th, 2012, 02:06am »

DO WE REALLY HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE FOR WHAT HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911?

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/jesse-ventura/jesse-venturas-conspiracy-theory---911-pentagon-attack-full-episode-.html

CERTAINLY WORTH THE TIME TO VIEW!!!

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xx Re: WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Reply #1 on: Feb 19th, 2012, 05:56am »

Zetar, I've run the tape twice in case I missed something. Ventura certainly presented a compelling case but if there really is a case for the US Government to answer surely some enterprising opposition politician would have used this to further his carreer. If this had happened here in the UK then they would have done exactly that.
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xx Re: WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Reply #2 on: Feb 25th, 2012, 09:37am »

I have seen this and so much footage on this subject and the whole 9/11 conspiracy theorie`s which I personally don`t believe there was a conspiracy conducted by the US government. My point is this why would the US involve murdering their own top brass in the Pentagon itself? It`s no surprise there is little or no footage available as this was a very big embarresment to the US and whatever else could be available they simply do not want the rest of the world to view what was a very big gaping hole in their security systems.
I`m sorry guys I just don`t buy the idea they plotted to blow up the World Trade Centre etc, I have run through this stuff myself and my concusion is it was a mass terrorist organised plot to kill and maim.
If and it`s a very big if...every single event throughout history get`s very distortedhuh PowerKnight wink
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 25th, 2012, 10:16am »

Check out "Operation Northwoods" for a starter. What is to say that they "Let it happen on purpose?" Maybe they did not make it happen but let it happen.

Look at the intel before Pearl Harbor -- The higher ups knew something was going to happen and yet was very vague in their instructions to the military. FDR knew we had to get into the war to help but he would not make that decision. All you have to do is to let a problem present itself or manufacture a proble, show the population the problem and how it affects them and then offer a solution. It's called the Hegelian Dialectic. Just sayin....
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 25th, 2012, 10:50am »

YES INDEED...PEARL HARBOR IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE WHEREIN CONGRESS WOULD NOT DECLARE WAR AND TPTB LET THE ATTACK HAPPEN SO WE COULD GO TO WAR...FOR MANY...A DIFFICULT CONCEPT.
THE PENTAGON...WELL CAN YA COUNT TO TWO TRILLION AND CHANGE...PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED FOR A LOT LESS......IMHO

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« Reply #5 on: Feb 25th, 2012, 11:40am »

It`s a well known fact both the FBI and the CIA didn`t communicate and this left a very big void in their tracking and survelliance of the terrorists invloved. They slipped through ther net pure and simple, how many instances has this been throughout history and it will probably happen again sometime, it`s human nature.
I don`t think the US would have left this happen we all know The White House was a failed target...only just! PowerKnight wink
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 25th, 2012, 11:49am »

Type in "Operation Bojinka" into a search engine. Someone had an inkling of what could happen. Operation "Able Danger" was another program for tracking terrorists. Just sayin....

Was our air defenses inept that day? I don't know. It just seems there were warnings that our government did not listen to early on.....
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 4th, 2012, 4:54pm »

I ALLOW MYSELF AT LEAST AN HOUR A DAY TO PERUSE UNUSUAL ITEMS...I RAN ACROSS THIS ALLEGED WITNESS TO FLIGHT 93 AND HE HAS AN INTERESTING STORY INDEED...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It5JC45KMGo&feature=related

YEAH ...THAT HE SAID SHE SAID STUFF...BUT IT'S THAT MINUTIA THAT WAS MISSED THAT PROVIDES REVELATIONS...

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« Reply #8 on: Mar 4th, 2012, 5:56pm »

When a plane crashes at very high speed into the ground at almost a 90 degree angle, there will be no bodies or even body parts. The only time there are remains is when a plane crashes at low speed or at a shallow angle.
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xx Re: WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Reply #9 on: Mar 4th, 2012, 8:02pm »

I DID NOT KNOW THAT...SO WHEN THESE AIRFORCE "X" SERIES TEST PLANES CRASH...THE AIRFORCE EXPECTS TO RECOVER DUST IN THE FLIGHT SUIT OR NO FLIGHT SUIT AT ALL...AGAIN GIVEN THE ANGLE OF ENTRY WAS 90 DEGREES...SO WHY RESEARCH TEST DUMMIES DROPPED AT ABOVE 5,280' IF NOTHING REMAINS...

I RESPECT YOUR POSITION...BUT HAVE SEEN NUMEROUS CASES WHERE THAT DID NOT APPLY...USUALLY LANDING GEAR AND ENGINES ARE PRESENT AS THEY ARE THE MOST DURABLE OF PARTS FOR A SPECIFIC REASON...

I THINK SHANKSVILLE HAD NONE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED...NO BODIES,NO LANDING GEAR,AND NO ENGINES WERE PRESENT...I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM PULVERIZE shocked...BUT NEITHER AM I AN "IMPACT STRESS ENGINEER"...

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« Reply #10 on: Mar 4th, 2012, 8:38pm »

on Mar 4th, 2012, 8:02pm, ZETAR wrote:
I DID NOT KNOW THAT...SO WHEN THESE AIRFORCE "X" SERIES TEST PLANES CRASH...THE AIRFORCE EXPECTS TO RECOVER DUST IN THE FLIGHT SUIT OR NO FLIGHT SUIT AT ALL...AGAIN GIVEN THE ANGLE OF ENTRY WAS 90 DEGREES...SO WHY RESEARCH TEST DUMMIES DROPPED AT ABOVE 5,280' IF NOTHING REMAINS...

I RESPECT YOUR POSITION...BUT HAVE SEEN NUMEROUS CASES WHERE THAT DID NOT APPLY...USUALLY LANDING GEAR AND ENGINES ARE PRESENT AS THEY ARE THE MOST DURABLE OF PARTS FOR A SPECIFIC REASON...

I THINK SHANKSVILLE HAD NONE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED...NO BODIES,NO LANDING GEAR,AND NO ENGINES WERE PRESENT...I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM PULVERIZE shocked...BUT NEITHER AM I AN "IMPACT STRESS ENGINEER"...

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I can only attest to the landing gear issue. I machined, painted, assembled landing gears for all sorts of military and civilian aircraft along with certain shuttle parts. These items, especially when they are large gears do not disintegrate easily. There is usually some recognizable parts in the wreckage. I can only assume (notice I said assume) that the parts were buried deep. They did not have 757's, 767's when I was performing this work. I did however work on C-5A, C5B, C-141, C-130, B52 mains, L1011, F-111, 737, 727 gears. The bogie beams are especially large and the brakes are made out of metal that can take a lot of punishment. What can disintegrate them is a high order explosion nearby. I worked for Colt Industries in Fort Worth Texas. In fact the particular plant was called Menasco Manufacturing. (verify if need be). I also worked on floor beams for aircraft at a place called Anadite also in Fort Worth ?North Richland Hills area. The company is now closed. The floor beams are very fragile and made of aircraft grade aluminum and are designed to be strong when designed a certain way. Some of the wholes are machined. Portions of the beams are chemically etched to reduce weight. All parts no matter how small have serial numbers on them. This is a requirement along with detailed records of each serialized part. This is a requirement for all parts on an aircraft. This I speak from experience. I also worked air defense in the service and realize what it takes for an aircraft to break up.
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xx Re: WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Reply #11 on: Mar 4th, 2012, 8:39pm »

on Mar 4th, 2012, 8:02pm, ZETAR wrote:
I DID NOT KNOW THAT...SO WHEN THESE AIRFORCE "X" SERIES TEST PLANES CRASH...THE AIRFORCE EXPECTS TO RECOVER DUST IN THE FLIGHT SUIT OR NO FLIGHT SUIT AT ALL...AGAIN GIVEN THE ANGLE OF ENTRY WAS 90 DEGREES...SO WHY RESEARCH TEST DUMMIES DROPPED AT ABOVE 5,280' IF NOTHING REMAINS...

I RESPECT YOUR POSITION...BUT HAVE SEEN NUMEROUS CASES WHERE THAT DID NOT APPLY...USUALLY LANDING GEAR AND ENGINES ARE PRESENT AS THEY ARE THE MOST DURABLE OF PARTS FOR A SPECIFIC REASON...

I THINK SHANKSVILLE HAD NONE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED...NO BODIES,NO LANDING GEAR,AND NO ENGINES WERE PRESENT...I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM PULVERIZE shocked...BUT NEITHER AM I AN "IMPACT STRESS ENGINEER"...

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A fully laden Boeing 757 weighs in at 220,000 Lbs. Traveling at 450 knots which is near full throttle at an angle of 70 degrees (which is what they figured the Shanksville planes trajectory and closer to 600 knots or more) It hit the ground at roughly the weight multiplied at that rate. Nothing survives! Plus the fact that these new planes are Aluminum, Titanium and carbon fiber, it doesn't take an engineer to see that when this burns with a half tank of 30,000 lbs of Jet A igniting even a small amount of titanium your going to have a fire that will consume everything! The heaviest metal in those planes are the nickel steel in the engines hot section and the main spar of the wings which is an aluminum alloy! They did find main hubs of the engines hot sections in ALL the wreckage including the Pentagon if i remember correctly!


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The Former Menasco Aerosystems Plant in East Fort Worth Has Been Sold to Dallas Investors
Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:56 AM

Menasco Aerosystems, a landing-gear manufacturer based in Burbank, Calif., expanded its company to Texas and in 1956 built a 100,000-square-foot plant at the site.

The facility was expanded a few times over the de- cades. In 1977, Menasco was acquired by Coltec In- dustries, which merged with BF Goodrich in 1998. Goodrich closed the plant in 2000. At one time, there were more than 600 workers at the plant.

I left this plant in 1987. That where many landing gears were built.

http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/2927195

Anadite Inc.

Anadite Aerospace Products

http://fortworth.citysearch.com/profile/9733437/hurst_tx/anadite_aerospace_products.html

Figured I would verify for you.
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 4th, 2012, 9:04pm »

on Mar 4th, 2012, 8:02pm, ZETAR wrote:
I DID NOT KNOW THAT...SO WHEN THESE AIRFORCE "X" SERIES TEST PLANES CRASH...THE AIRFORCE EXPECTS TO RECOVER DUST IN THE FLIGHT SUIT OR NO FLIGHT SUIT AT ALL...AGAIN GIVEN THE ANGLE OF ENTRY WAS 90 DEGREES...SO WHY RESEARCH TEST DUMMIES DROPPED AT ABOVE 5,280' IF NOTHING REMAINS...

I RESPECT YOUR POSITION...BUT HAVE SEEN NUMEROUS CASES WHERE THAT DID NOT APPLY...USUALLY LANDING GEAR AND ENGINES ARE PRESENT AS THEY ARE THE MOST DURABLE OF PARTS FOR A SPECIFIC REASON...

I THINK SHANKSVILLE HAD NONE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED...NO BODIES,NO LANDING GEAR,AND NO ENGINES WERE PRESENT...I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM PULVERIZE shocked...BUT NEITHER AM I AN "IMPACT STRESS ENGINEER"...

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Yeah, no intact flight suit and no dust either! Maybe trace DNA and small suit fragments. There should have been some larger metal pieces, like parts of the landing gear, but maybe those were driven into the ground and not recovered. A plane that is shot down typically breaks up and pieces are scattered over a large area (including bodies).

As for dropping dummies at high altitude, the terminal velocity of a free falling body at sea level is about 122 mph, much lower than a plane falling in a powered dive. It doesn't matter how high they were dropped. When Columbia sadly broke up on reentry, the astronauts' bodies were dismembered when it exploded, but body parts were recovered.

A side note: Did you know that the Russian probes to Venus actually did a free fall during the final phase of landing because the atmosphere is so dense (90X Earth's). It's like landing in water.

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« Reply #14 on: Mar 4th, 2012, 11:35pm »

HEY SPACEMEVERICK,

THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT AND EXPERTISE.
YOU WOULD THINK AT MINIMUM THE STRUTS FOR LANDING GEAR OR FAN ROTOR FROM THEIR TURBINES WOULD BE PRESENT...
HOWEVER,...EACH AND EVERY CRASH IS DIFFERENT AND HAS IT'S IDOSYNCRASIES...

TO LONE AND FLATEARTH:

HEY... I GOTTA GIVE IT TO YOU... I DID SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH AND THE LINK LISTED BELOW GIVES CREDENCE AND SUPPORTS WHAT YOU SAY...

HOWEVER...SINCE IT PURPORTS THAT OBJECTS AT SUCH SPEEDS IMPACTING A STATIONARY OBJECT WOULD RESULT IN SMALL PIECES OF DEBRIS...WHERE IS THAT MULTI-TON LOAD OF SHREDDED AND GROUND ALUMINUM/COMPOSITE?...EVEN THE AUTHOR OF THE BELOW LINK/ARTICLE INTIMATES THE AFOREMENTIONED...

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/conclusions/debris.html

THE ABOVE LINK WAS MOST ENLGHTENING TO ME...MOREOVER,...I TIP MY HAT TO LONE,FLATEARTH,AND SPACEMAVERICK...

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