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Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Feb 26th, 2006, 11:20am

Lucky me I'll found this site and verry interresting things
like UFO's ..in a mean while I Have to give you all the
true version about the Twin towers..
Please don´t let children look at this.

REOPEN FILE 911 BY JIMMY WALTER
GROND NEW YORK GROUND ZERO RADIO ACTIF
AND MANY MORE....

SEE THE VIDEO'S"WITH RIGHT CLICK YOU CAN ALSO
DOWNLOAD THIS FOR FREE.

also with Dutch SUBTITEL

http://amurka.com/mpg/reopen911_nl_1.wmv

http://amurka.com/mpg/reopen911_nl_2.wmv

http://amurka.com/mpg/reopen911_nl_3.wmv

http://amurka.com/mpg/reopen911_nl_4.wmv

http://amurka.com/mpg/reopen911_nl_5.wmv

Greetings Angel Wynton wink


Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by UFOsam on Feb 26th, 2006, 11:54am

I have just watched the first video and already there is some startling evidence there to suggest many things.

Thank you for posting these video they are a real eye opener.

Sam,
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Feb 26th, 2006, 12:02pm

on Feb 26th, 2006, 11:38am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Besides the Twin Towers thread that you saw on page one, we have a second Twin Towers thread that is 60 pages long at the following address. I thought you might be interested in it too.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=towers&num=1032962761&start=0



Thank You Verry Much kiss
I Have the html on my own website

and also this for you all..

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=911+Video+-+Confronting+the+evidence
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Feb 26th, 2006, 12:04pm

on Feb 26th, 2006, 11:54am, UFOsam wrote:
I have just watched the first video and already there is some startling evidence there to suggest many things.

Thank you for posting these video they are a real eye opener.

Sam,


You are all welcome..Jimmy Walter speaks
the true about this..The Video's are really shocking undecided
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by UFOsam on Feb 26th, 2006, 1:13pm

I went to try and watch the second video but none of the videos seem to not be working now for some reason.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Ashiana24 on Feb 26th, 2006, 1:46pm

Hi Angel, Nice to meet you. I agree with Sam, they are a real eye opener. Thanks for posting it, and glad to have you as a member of our Forum. :-).

~ Ashiana

Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Feb 26th, 2006, 3:37pm

on Feb 26th, 2006, 1:13pm, UFOsam wrote:
I went to try and watch the second video but none of the videos seem to not be working now for some reason.


The site is verry busy Ufosam..to busy..
try again later if you can, google seems to work
and you can donwload there to wink

This link I mean:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=911+Video+-+Confronting+the+evidence
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Feb 26th, 2006, 3:50pm

on Feb 26th, 2006, 1:46pm, Ashiana24 wrote:
Hi Angel, Nice to meet you. I agree with Sam, they are a real eye opener. Thanks for posting it, and glad to have you as a member of our Forum. smiley.

~ Ashiana


Hello Ashania24, wink

You can donwload those video's now..the site
is open again..I Hope people will wake up.
Cause I Love the USA and his people wink
By the way I found out that one of the home video's
show's a misile and not a Ufo, I presume this was a test
Only they made One mistake..we can play those picture
by picture..I will take a Photograph of it and show you
all..that the object was a misile.
And no Ufo at all, thanks to the One who made that one
I will send it to the organisation right away.
We already suspect this..but now it seems to be
the true is coming out.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Ashiana24 on Feb 26th, 2006, 7:22pm


Angel,

Where are you located again? British Columbia? The reason I'm asking is that NUFORC had a database of UFO sightings, and several of the cases reported they claimed were the result of a missile launch. I was surprised to hear this at first, then I began hearing about several UFO's that were only UAV's(Unmanned Aerial Vehicles).

No, it doesn't surprise me at all that some of these are missiles. Back years ago when some UFO's were said to be the result of St. Elmo's Fire or the Will o' the Wisps, now I believe a lot more of these UFO's are further explainable.....a lot more, but not all. ;-)

~ Ashiana


http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi

Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Feb 27th, 2006, 05:08am

on Feb 26th, 2006, 7:22pm, Ashiana24 wrote:

Angel,

Where are you located again? British Columbia? The reason I'm asking is that NUFORC had a database of UFO sightings, and several of the cases reported they claimed were the result of a missile launch. I was surprised to hear this at first, then I began hearing about several UFO's that were only UAV's(Unmanned Aerial Vehicles).

No, it doesn't surprise me at all that some of these are missiles. Back years ago when some UFO's were said to be the result of St. Elmo's Fire or the Will o' the Wisps, now I believe a lot more of these UFO's are further explainable.....a lot more, but not all. ;-)

~ Ashiana


http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi


Hello Ashania, wink
Well my location is The Netherlands[Europe]
But because of my Country Music I'm always talking
with American people from Nashville and Kentucky and Washington..and Texas. And always follow the News.
I'm also a member of Seti Netherlands.
And from there i have this Reopen 911.
I Undestand what you are trying to say..
most image's are so quick we can heardly subsribe
what it exually is..and we call it a UFO..
But this homemovie's opens allot of eyes.
The One I found here came to hit the twin towers
and then turn back..but I saw by see the frame's
one by one..its a misile..good lord I say to my husband
over here look at this..this is a misile..!!!
Sow they already expirience with it..in 2000
And 2001 on 11 September they Hit with full range.
In a mean while they fill up the Twins with Explosives.
The True must come out..I Hope Jimmy Walter wins
this race..I'm sure he will..when you all send this
video's to people whom didn't know.
And I believe God watch this world with his Angels
They use UFO's..read the bible Ezekiël then you know.

But I'm a Dutch Girl.. wink

Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by UFOsam on Feb 27th, 2006, 11:28am

I have watched the second part of this video and i am shocked by many points of the video. I will not say the points yet i will let others get the chance to watch the video for themselves. But i advise everyone to watch this video as there is some very shocking evidence to say the least i am stunned at this documentary!


Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Feb 27th, 2006, 1:45pm

on Feb 27th, 2006, 11:28am, UFOsam wrote:
I have watched the second part of this video and i am shocked by many points of the video. I will not say the points yet i will let others get the chance to watch the video for themselves. But i advise everyone to watch this video as there is some very shocking evidence to say the least i am stunned at this documentary!



UfoSam I'll Know, cry
I'll think allot of American's didn't even know about this
from Jim Walter and his team..so this year we made a point..to send those links as much as we can to other
people in The USA and Canada and Australians to.
Over here in Europe allot of people take action.
I Understand..we must show this video to others.

Greetings Angel Wynton

I Love you all kiss XXX
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Ashiana24 on Feb 27th, 2006, 1:57pm

Good Afternoon, Angel, and Warm Greetings from the Northwest part of the United States, up here in Oregon :-)

“And I believe God watch this world with his Angels
They use UFO's..read the bible Ezekiël then you know.”

Yes, I have also heard this. And I do agree that God watches this world with his Angels. :-)

Thank you for posting that very interesting information. I love that lil’ dancing kitty on the left-hand side of your posts. heehee

~ Ashiana


http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by UFOsam on Feb 27th, 2006, 2:10pm

on Feb 27th, 2006, 1:45pm, AngelWynton wrote:
UfoSam I'll Know, cry
I'll think allot of Amrican's didn't even know about this
from Jim Walter and his team..so this year we made a point..to send those links as much as we can to other
people in The USA and Canada and Australians to.
Over here in Europe allot of people take action.
I Understand..we must show this video to others.

Greetings Angel Wynton

I Love you all kiss XXX


I told my mum and she did not have a clue its amazing that so few know. On the video it also said that in 1990 the CIA paid a man to carry out an attack on the trade centres with a bomb. If you remember the bomb attack did go ahead and the CIA admitted that they had paid this man 1 million dollars to carry out this attack. I told my dad this FACT and it was new news to him. Its amazing how people do not know this information.

Another thing people do not know is that a week before 9/11 there were mass power outages and evacuations of the city! all seems a bit strange to me.

I will have a page put on my web site about this i think people need to know that this is the truth about 9/11 and people should be aware of this information on the video. People need to start hearing this information and action needs to be taken because the American people, English people and everyone around the world need to know that there was more to 9/11 than terrorists hijacking some planes and crashing them into the world trade centre and the pentagon.


And i agree with Ashina about the avatar its great. grin

Sam,

Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by UFOsam on Feb 27th, 2006, 2:12pm

And also i have made this thread sticky as i think all need to see this information. Many guests visit this site each day and when they browse this board they should visit this thread and watch this video.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AJC on Feb 27th, 2006, 3:07pm

The facts are out there the book about the world Trade center written by Jim Marrs is outstanding. there are pics in the book of the plane with the bomb attached underneath.........and the missle attack on the pentagon. There was no wings on the missle that took out part of the pentagon.......
I was at a hunting camp when the owner of the camp told a story I all ready knew........that one of the camp owners client was there when the pentagon was hit. This man was about a half block away and there was no engine noise or loud exhaust........al he heard was like a WWWIIISSSSSHHHHH.....then the pentagon was blown up. When the smoke cleared there was no wing fragments, no smouldering wing parts just a simple hole with a roof on fire above the simple single hole that penetrated the pentagon...........no plane did that.........go to JIM MARRS.com........see the evidence....toxo
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Feb 27th, 2006, 3:08pm

UfoSam you are Great!!! wink

This you also do not know....

open the links and read..this is a shock too undecided

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Jayne_Hitler-Bush.htm

http://www.mninter.net/~hedwards/bush/hitler-bush.htm

http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by UFOsam on Feb 27th, 2006, 3:14pm

Thank you for those links i will take a look.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Feb 27th, 2006, 3:25pm

on Feb 27th, 2006, 3:07pm, AJC wrote:
The facts are out there the book about the world Trade center written by Jim Marrs is outstanding. there are pics in the book of the plane with the bomb attached underneath.........and the missle attack on the pentagon. There was no wings on the missle that took out part of the pentagon.......
I was at a hunting camp when the owner of the camp told a story I all ready knew........that one of the camp owners client was there when the pentagon was hit. This man was about a half block away and there was no engine noise or loud exhaust........al he heard was like a WWWIIISSSSSHHHHH.....then the pentagon was blown up. When the smoke cleared there was no wing fragments, no smouldering wing parts just a simple hole with a roof on fire above the simple single hole that penetrated the pentagon...........no plane did that.........go to JIM MARRS.com........see the evidence....toxo


Copy de url of the site and put it here
we all want to read this and see this..
I will put that on my weblogs and make a special
of it..The real Angels are on this site grin wink

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Aliën sings Goodbye Seti


Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Ashiana24 on Feb 27th, 2006, 3:30pm

That's beautiful, Angel. :D I love snow globes.

By the way, did you read the post I sent to you under "Response to Truth" thread. I also sent you an IM.

~ Ashiana


http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi


Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Feb 27th, 2006, 3:40pm

Over here you have nice moving picture's for Free.

Click on the blue one's behind it there are
allot of gif file's they are shining and moving grin

http://www.hiti.dk/animationer%20index.htm
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Feb 27th, 2006, 3:41pm

on Feb 27th, 2006, 3:30pm, Ashiana24 wrote:
That's beautiful, Angel. cheesy I love snow globes.

By the way, did you read the post I sent to you under "Response to Truth" thread. I also sent you an IM.

~ Ashiana


http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi



Yes I saw them Ashania wink

Just pm you backwink
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Ashiana24 on Feb 27th, 2006, 3:42pm

Angel,

Thank you for your reply to my IM. ;)

~ Ashiana


http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Feb 27th, 2006, 6:04pm

on Feb 27th, 2006, 3:42pm, Ashiana24 wrote:
Angel,

Thank you for your reply to my IM. wink

~ Ashiana


http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi


I am as quick like Rico my Persian Cat

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Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Ashiana24 on Feb 27th, 2006, 8:45pm


“I am as quick like Rico my Persian Cat “

Awww, no fair, Angel. I want a Persian cat too. Lol I love love love Persian cats. My friend’s mom had a big male Persian cat that looked like a tiger. She named it Simba. That’s so cute. I’ll just have to put that one on my wish list. :-D

~ Ashiana


http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi

Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Ashiana24 on Feb 27th, 2006, 10:55pm

Hi AJC:

I think Jim Marrs is one of the most brilliant and courageous people out there today. I’ve read his book “Alien Agenda” and I’ve listened to interviews with this man, and what he has to say is shocking. It’s not like he makes blind statements; he really knows how to back his statements up with facts. I also thoroughly enjoy his website. He’s certainly done his homework. I’m so glad we have people like him around to keep us out of the dark.

~ Ashiana


http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi

Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by UFOsam on Feb 28th, 2006, 10:16am

I have one more part of the documentary to watch then i am going to give a big conclusion on everything stated in the video.


Sam,
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by UFOsam on Feb 28th, 2006, 11:52am

The Main Facts

1, No plane crashed into the pentagon
2, There was a explosion before the plane hit the first tower
3, There was something on the bottom of the planes
4, It was impossible for the WTC's to fall down with only one plane hit
5, The 7th building around the WTC's was imploded
6, There were evacuations of NY City 1 week before 9/11
7, 40 Police dogs have died after inhaling smoke
8, Many fire fighters do not work anymore
9, Fire Fighters say fire would notbe enough to pull down the WTC's or any metal structure.
10, The government had something to do with it.

Whats in the Video

All of the above i hardly knew why is this?
That information is exactly what the US Government don't want you to know. The US Government along with Bin Laden did these criminal act on the WTC they murdered innocent people and thousands are ill. And why is this? in my conclusion this is because they wanted an excuse to go to war with Iraq why? Oil the US wanted Oil as described in that video. That is the reason the WTC came down because of Oil.

The video describes that there was an explosion just before the Planes hit the towers this could possibly be a bomb that was planted there. The planes that hit the towers had something attached to the bottom of them what was underneath? i conclude that this could possibly have been some sort of bomb making the impact much more effective. The video also talks about how before the towers came down many people heard an explosion and many people in the area described the sound as a "Bomb" the Towers could have been Controlled Exploded. It is also possible that the 7th building also could have been Imploded. This has tried to be explained as the fires in the bulding but as described by a NY Fire fighter this is IMPOSSIBLE it is just not possible that a building with two isolated fires on different floors can come down. This is backed up by the fact that another very simliar steel structured building with fires on every single floor did not come down how do the US Government explain that simple they DON'T.

And as if that is not enough evidence that the video gives with exspert anlaysis here is another fact. It is not possible that a Boeing hit the Pentagon because for one no reckage of a boeing was recovered. And the boeing would be to big to even fit in the hole created by whatever it was. And also because pictures shown of the pentagon seconds after the impact show that the bulding is still standing if a boeing had reallly hit into the building the entire section of the building would have been instantly demolished. So what did crash into the Pentagon in the video they suggest a missile but this cannot be determined. Why? because there was only one security camera working at the time yes that is right on September 11th only one Security camera was working.

Reading this is not enough everyone watch the video and you will see how much more there is to 9/11.

Sam,
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Mar 1st, 2006, 7:29pm

NEWS!!!!! IMPEACHMENT BUSH!!!! grin
===========================

City supervisors push impeachment of President Bush

SAN FRANCISCO San Francisco supervisors are asking their Democratic congregation to pursue the impeachment of President Bush.

The seven supervisors who voted to pursue impeachment say Bush should be removed from office for mishandling the war in Iraq and cutting civil liberties.

San Francisco was recently lampooned by conservatives as an ultra-liberal city out of touch with mainstream America.

The criticisms came after Supervisor Gerardo Sandoval recently said on Fox News that the United States doesn't need a military.

Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Mar 1st, 2006, 7:35pm

This News Came just in over here by Yahoo News
I had to Show you this, that's why the fool go's
to Afghanistan..he knew that they want him Go...
Shure of that.. I send Jimmy a email right away.


Greetings and My Love for You all

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Angel Wynton



Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Easternbluestar on Mar 3rd, 2006, 10:22am

This is an intereseting thread which I came across a site today with information about photo anomallies of the plane(?) that hit the Pentagon. THere are a series of comparison photos and follow the links from this page and draw your own conclusions.

http://www.911studies.com/intro.htm

Follow the links to where on the bottom is says next page and the photos are certainly doctored up that were released as offiical photos when compared to photos shot by the general public that are much different, with guardrails missing, sidewalks missing, grass being where there should be sidewalks, different vehicles being burnt than were there at impact, etc.

EB
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Mar 3rd, 2006, 2:35pm

News From Jimmy to this group.
===================================
From: Jimmy Walter
Date: 03/03/06 02:46:04
To: 'Angel Wynton'
Subject: AW: Hello Jimmy


We are on several TV and radio stations here calling Bush the dictator , not Chavez, and pointing out the war crimes in Fallujah as well as 9/11. They took the DVD's and they are adding a Spanish voiceover to broadcast the whole DVD on National TV. As well as Eric's.

We said that only Chavez had "the patalones" (pants, but euphemism for balls) to stand up to Bush. While we do not have an appointment, this should get us an invite soon. Everyone loves us except some asshole Brits who said my stuff was crap. I replied, "Well that’s a logical and factual response". He asked me if I had read the 9/11 commission report. I replied yes, it is a bunch of crap. The difference between me and you is that I have facts and logic, not just a description on excrement. I printed out the 9/11 omission report from one site and David ray Griffins book review and handed it to him. One American on the beach who said "I have all the evidence I need" when he looked at the DVD. Just them an German came up and asked for 4 more which I gave. The American looked silly so he said "What's this all about?" in a belligerent tone. I replied, "you have all the evidence you need." He replied that I was not going to get anywhere that way. I replied, "I was never going to get anywhere with you anyway." and left him fuming.

We are doing great things here.

jimmy


I am still predicting a new false flag terrorist event this year before the
elections.
But with Iraq in civil war,
Bush floundering at home,
Netanyahu wanting to be PM in Israel,
Some Israelis and NeoCons wanting to attack Iran and needing more popular
support,
All the terror drills planed for Charleston for a 10 megaton and ship
attack,
The preparations described below
The CDC intentionally trying to mutate the Bird Flu (remember the US
anthrax that was sent to our Senators and never pursued,)
I give a high probability to this month being deadly, though I could easily
be wrong due to setback by exposure of the upcoming terror drills for
Charleston.

Charleston has very little strategic value - which would be the reason for
the NeoCons to pick it! Maximum effect psychologically - least effect
militarily and economically, radioactive cloud drifts out over the ocean to
Africa. They were set to practice a 10 megaton terror drill. And since three
out of three terror events (not counting Indonesia which is a real terrorist
network - much older than Al Qaeda) occurred during a terror drill, well I
could be wrong but do you want to bet your life?

Moreover, an ex-chief of secret police in the Balkans has said the next
event will be from a ship offshore or in a harbor from his research and
knowledge.

But I cannot say Charleston for sure - they may have been diverted by the
General who leaked the drill.

But I would cancel any vacation plans there or take a vacation if I lived
there.

jimmy

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050324-030452-8400r.htm

Atlanta, GA, Mar. 24 (UPI) -- The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention has begun a series of experiments to see how likely the bird flu
virus could result in a human pandemic.

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The six-month series of experiments seeks to simulate the mixing and
matching of genes from the H5N1 avian flu virus that has plagued Asia and a
common human flu virus that public-health experts fear could turn avian flu
into a pandemic, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

CDC scientists inside an ultra-secure laboratory have started swapping the
genes of the H5N1 avian virus with the genes of an H3N2 virus, the strain
behind most recent human flu outbreaks.

The goal is to substitute the eight genes of each virus, one by one, with
the eight genes from the other virus to see which of more than 250 possible
combinations create flu viruses that could spread easily among humans.

The work responds to fears by global public health experts that the bird flu
virus could mutate to form one that could spawn a global outbreak of the
disease.


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this is what I wrote Jimmy,
===================

Hello Jimmy,
I already send you a message"and I saw you've been
over here once in The Netherlands at RTL Television.
I Pray that you will win this Reopen 911.
Maby I'm the first Country Singer who put this link
on my website..and put it there from the heart of mine.
I Hope you follow the News..this madman Bush already
knew about Katrina also..How is it possible that this man
is the leader of the USA and his clan..it seems to me that
he want the same thing as Hitler wanted..The whole world.
Jimmy so much evidents and they still ignore youhuh
I Hope this Impeachment go's on..cause I also want to
see justische..Take my advise: Never go alone to TV meetings.
Cause I saw wat they try to do..and they don't take you sirously.
Always take a strong Compagnion with you!!!!!
Promisse me that you will do that..please..!
My help you have by sending your video's all over the world.
and on my website's too..and I will go on untill justische
is been done do those whom lost love one's.

Greetings From The netherlands

Angel Wynton

http://www.freehosting.hostrave.com/p/angelwynton
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AJC on Mar 22nd, 2006, 8:54pm

If you took a look at the first plane that hit in slow motion you will notice a large fuel tank like object that was mounted on the bottom of the plane........that should not have been there........and it was not put on there by the terrorist!!!!!
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by scoobysnack on Mar 30th, 2006, 8:39pm

I have no doubt in my mind Alqaida consisting of Radical Muslims who want to destroy America, and everything American, does exist in the world. I do think Alqaida was involved, but at the same time our own government was involved. Let me explain...

In the world of black projects and covert operations, deception is the game. Infiltrating terrorist groups or criminal elements of all types and then manipulating them into exposing themselves, bringing them out into the open for arrest, or even getting the group to commit a crime that can be used to bring them down. This happened in the case of the 1993 World trade center bombing.

"It's proven that in the 1993 WTC bombing, the FBI planted Emad A. Salem to infiltrate an Arab group in New York. His job was to act as an agent provocateur, inciting violent terrorist attacks. It was Salem who convinced the other participants to bomb the World Trade Center. When he was asked to assemble the bomb, he went to the FBI to ask for harmless powder to avoid a catastrophe. The FBI essentially cut him off and gave the Arabs explosives. To make a long, complicated story short and simple: The FBI spent $3 million of your tax money to blow up the World Trade Center."

Salem thought he was being set up, so he recorded his phone conversations with the FBI.

Quote:
In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, an Egyptian man named Emad Salem, a former army officer. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992, information he was privy to possibly because he himself initiated the plot. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of the hundreds of possible suspects.

Salem, initially believing that this was to be a sting operation, claimed that the FBI's original plan was to supply the conspirators with a harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that an FBI supervisor decided that a real bomb should be constructed instead. He substantiated his claims with hundreds of hours of secretly-recorded conversations with his FBI handlers, made during discussions held after the bombings. According to Alex Jones in his film 9/11: The Road to Tyranny, these tapes include the FBI ordering Salem to "cook the bomb."

Salem said he wished to complain to FBI headquarters in Washington about the failure to prevent the bombing despite foreknowledge, but was dissuaded from doing so by the New York FBI office. The FBI has never contradicted Salem's account.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing


Here's the audio tapes:

http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/M/SalemWBAI.mp3

http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/M/Jon...0-%20Secret.mp3

Quote:
Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast

By RALPH BLUMENTHAL
The New York Times
Section A; Page 1; Column 4; Metropolitan Desk
October 28, 1993, Thursday, Late Edition

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b3c830e34de.htm


Another example of agent provocateurs is the recent London Bombings.

London Bombings Mastermind is MI6 Asset CONFIRMED

On FOX News Channel's Day Side, Terrorism Expert John Loftus revealed that Haroon Rashid Aswat, the suspect wanted by British Police for "masterminding" the July 7th London bombings and July 21st attempted bombings is in fact an asset of MI6, the British Secret Service. According to Loftus, Aswat has been under the protection of MI6 for many years.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/London_attack/mastermind_mi6_asset.htm

And from the New Criminologist journal in the UK:

Quote:
Published on 25 September 2005 | Author BERRY-DEE, Christopher.

Haroon Aswat – the man British Police believe was behind the London bombings – was working for MI6, it has been confirmed by leading U.S. and French intelligence asset/agents.

Now an FBI agent in Seattle – name removed for security reasons, but can be published at the drop of a hat – has demanded that former USDA federal agent, Dr Janette Parker, stop talking to the British media about how the FBI obstructed their own top terrorism investigator, John O’Neill in his enquiries.

“The American press can be silenced but not the British press."

Haroon Aswat is the primary suspect as the mastermind of the London Bombings 7/7.

With the events, unfolding in Chicago, (see: http://www.newcriminologist.co.uk/news.asp?id=1529297048 ) even a blind man can see that the current U.S. administration is rotten thru-and-thru, and this corruption has long spread to the UK

“Bush and Blair are just puppets. Their strings are tugged by money, corruption, ego, by the Intel services. You don’t even want to know the truth.”

“International terrorism is VERY BIG business,” our source confirmed. “The U.S. and UK trade in terrorism like it is some kind of off-the-shelf commodity. Forget the destruction of lives to normal people, women and children.

read in full...

http://www.newcriminologist.co.uk/news.asp?id=-1677497717



Evidence suggests this was the case for the Oklahoma City bombing also, as terrible as that sounds.

Quote:
Dr. Bill Deagle MD | September 8 2004

"There were micronuclear bombs placed on support pillars in the walls of the Federal Building, by special units of the ATF and FBI. They were paged out not to enter the building on the morning of the detonation, and the Federal Judge was warned to cancel court that day. We removed to undetonated softball sized micronuclear bombs, and one C4 pineapple bomb, attached to the pillars of the remaining building."

You must read the whole article...

source:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904okcbombing.htm

and to listen to an interview with this information:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/111104deagle1.htm


Those are just a few examples. There is much more evidence to suggest government complicity in many of the major atrocities. The Arabs were the dupes in 9/11. They were not far enough up the chain of command to fully know what their purpose served. Listen to how President Bush describes the supposed Arab 9/11 hijackers:

"The hijackers were instruments of evil, who died in vain. behind them is a cult of evil which seeks to harm the innocent and thrives on human suffering. There's is the worst kind of cruelty, the cruelty that is fed not weakened by tears. Theirs is the worst kind of violence. Pure malice while daring to claim the authority of god. We can not fully understand the designs and power of evil, it is enough to know that evil like goodness exists, and in the terrorist, evil has found a willing servant."

-George Bush

Sounds like he's speaking of the real people behind the scenes pulling the strings to the puppet show we call reality.

I could go on forever talking about all the evidence I have to make me think it was an inside job done like they have in the past, using agent provocateurs to infiltrate real terrorist groups, and get them to carry out an attack that in the end benefits the establishment's goal for creation of the new world order.

Quote:
"There is a chance for the President of the United States to use this disaster to carry out what his father – a phrase his father used I think only once, and it hasn’t been used since – and that is a new world order."

--Sen. Gary Hart, at a Council on Foreign Relations meeting three days after September 11, 2001


The attacks are used to force the gullible and naive masses to beg for greater security from uncertainty resulting from the randomness of the attacks.

"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."
-- Adolf Hitler

"The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened".
-- Josef Stalin

Quote:
"In order to have PEACE, you must first of all be able to identify the ENEMIES OF PEACE. In other words, how does one SECURE THE PEACE? How does one make sure that PEACE REIGNS RATHER THAN ANARCHY OR CHAOS OR WAR? One cannot unless draconian steps to “secure” the state are taken against all POSSIBLE ENEMIES. The only way you can have assurance of TOTAL PEACE is through TOTAL SECURITY. The only way you can have TOTAL SECURITY is by a DICTATORIAL POLICE STATE. There is no other way. The call for “PEACE AND SECURITY” is the rally cry of the ELITE to bring in a DRACONIAN NAZI-STYLE POLICE STATE SO THEY CAN “SECURE” THEIR NEW WORLD ORDER. In order to get the people to buy into it, they either order “terrorist attacks” or agitate to get one, to SHOCK THE PEOPLE INTO ACCEPTING CONTROLS THEY WOULD NEVER ACCEPT OTHERWISE. It is a super con-game of the rich men of the Earth, and they do not care how many people they murder to advance the agenda."
http://www.truinsight.com/


You have to look at the physical evidence. For me, the smoking gun, among many is the collapse of WTC 7.

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Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by redplanet on Jun 26th, 2006, 8:18pm

"Reopen 911" maybe is a Hoax. Just beware maybe this "Reopen 911" is a part of the terrorist plan.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Zareste on Jun 26th, 2006, 8:34pm

Quote:
Just beware maybe this "Reopen 911" is a part of the terrorist plan.

Maybe if you have some proof that the Bush administration was involved in it, but otherwise that's a baseless claim.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by redplanet on Jun 26th, 2006, 8:58pm

reopen 911 at wiki, take a look.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reopen911.org
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Globe on Jun 29th, 2006, 11:50am

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=11


911 Loose Change 2nd Edition.



The Illumonati is real, and bush is the nutt of all nuttys. I bet they all love him now at the secret meetings they have out in the woods with the big Owl thing.



Modify;

Has there been any names realesed from the people inside the airplaines? There was not an passanger plane right? They have records of the people inside these plaines, catch my drift? Do they still live? Did the goverment kill them, or have there not been any question asked about this?
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Jun 29th, 2006, 1:14pm

Yes those people do still live and alive and healthy
As could be...and why Seti for example watch the Universe..well I have my idea rolleyes
There is only one the bible says..and that is the Devil.
Nobody like him knows that Jesus will return and of cause out of space and that battle will be heavy.
But first Jesus save all the one's who believed in him
And then he will take a end of this world and give us
A new one. And of cause the Angels watching over us.
By Spaceship and nothing else..and the world can't even see that on radar..lucky us I mean..we can see with the eyes God gave us..and also the understanding.
Jesus is our savor..and we will see him coming. wink
Then we have One King and in him is the true.
No More hunger no more pain and no tears then only
Of allot of joy..in a mean while we understand more and more..and see more and more.

Greetings Angel Wynton

by the way its my artist name.

My real own name is Rosetta kiss
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by redplanet on Jun 29th, 2006, 9:05pm

on Jun 29th, 2006, 1:14pm, AngelWynton wrote:
Yes those people do still live and alive and healthy


how can you tell those people still live and alive and healthy? do you interview them one by one?
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Jun 30th, 2006, 4:41pm

We saw them over here on TV..
They have family's and children and they told
the camera man they where never been on the airplains
So Jimmy Walter told us the true.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by AngelWynton on Jun 30th, 2006, 4:58pm

Nasa tell us the true about the ufo's
and show us 2 movie's, so sit down and watch
and listen, I hope you like this
wink shocked

Video 1


Video 2


Greetings Angel

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Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by sixteenstone on Jul 12th, 2006, 1:31pm

I just found this on Whitley Striebers website and found it very intresting. To go further with it click on the next, next, next and next links.

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=5436
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Ashiana24 on Jul 19th, 2006, 12:40pm

Hi Sixteenstone smiley

I read the article at the link which states

"America's most senior military leader in 1962 devised a plan for a premeditated attack on Americans, which would have involved shooting down a passenger plane, so that the blame could be cast on Cuba…

and then we can't forget about 9/11. This is what scares me. After I read the article, I saw another article at the same link called "Fake Terrorist Attack on the Way?"

I can't help but get this nagging feeling that I wouldn't put it past our government to stage a nuclear attack on the American people. I know this sounds incredible for some people to believe, but I think our government is capable of anything and everything to achieve their agenda.....one of terror and population control, among others.

http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi

~ Ashiana
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by rubix on Aug 18th, 2006, 6:50pm

"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."
-- Adolf Hitler

"The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened".
-- Josef Stalin

hello all. i am new to this forum and i am very much interested in the truth as would any descently intelligent person. when it first happened i was shocked, as was everyone. then the afghanistan thing happened. that was cool, b/c we were after bin laden. then i started realizing how orweilian we were becoming when they flashed his face on the news and we had our version of "two minutes hate". then iraq happened and where is osamahuh well, he's not important anymore. then i saw that there were no w.m.d. then all the people getting anthrax in the mail was never pursued. i started having suspitions. now, they are threatening basic civil liberties as through the patriot act and wire tapping. they can search or sieze anyone's property without a warrant or your knowledge. it's very scarey. if you're suspected of being a "terrorist", they can hold u in a secret prison w/o charcing u w/ anything and give u no right to attorney simply b/c u haven't been charged, so u don't need one and also that seeing an attorney may threaten national security. so what does that equal out to? indefinatley held (life imprisonment) in solitary confinement. and we're a free countryhuh what about the 2000 election? they just wantd to recount the votes and the supreme court ordered it stopped. that was a judicial coup. and the 2004 election, well they already admitted to domestic spying, think bush didn't spy on kerry's campaign under the unconstitutional law he made "legal"?? after all, nixon did it, but then spying was illegal. now here's a simple equation: democracy + terror = (blank)
so what can we do, now that the alternative media (mainstream has ignored too many facts and betrayed the people) has shown us the truth? well, mark my words. the kennedy thing was really shady. they got away w/ 9/11 so far. what they need is 1 BIG ONE before the 2008 election and then they'll say that we don't have enough security to hold an election. then they'll pass a law to postpone it (the election) indefinately until the terror stops. of course the terror won't stop. the next step is to just send congress home.
i mean the scary thing right now is that 1 party controls every aspect of fed gov: the supreme court, the president, the house, and the senate. i want to see this criminal impeached and prosecuted. the only problem is that the people to do it are either his buddies, relatives, or outnumbered. so what can we dohuh


Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by tessellations on Aug 18th, 2006, 8:12pm

So much BS in our country today, our country in a state of chaos with government being at the top of my list for screwing it up so badly. Don't get me wrong, I think there are good government officials out there who care about the condition of our country and its people, but the ones who control it are the filthy rich. Money does buy material wealth and prestiege , but those who eake out a living just to survive are the ones who are lead down the primrose path of promises, then later to be deceived by the lies and then personal gain of our elected officials. I haven't voted since Gerald Ford, and I won't until I feel that candidate can prove to me he's worthy of my vote. So many baby boomer people are like me because they are fed up with the constant inconsistancies. The little guy gains nothing,some even going backwards, but the government and its ( friends) make out like elective gods all in the name of power and greed. I have always heard the old standby, America love it or leave it. You can't leave it, you will be accused of being a terrorist at the airport. My daughter did leave it and is now a Canadian citizen, shes very happy. Sometimes I have trouble expressing myself, but I know what is in my heart. I feel our country is on the brink of a civil war and its people will take back what is theirs. Of the people for the people. Where does it say of the government for the government. Too many lies too much sorrow and way too much pain to face everyday. I will be one of the first to go when the exterminations start, because I won't be of value. I just hope the younger generations can see what is happening to the most precious gift they will ever have. Life and Liberty. Tess
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by rubix on Aug 18th, 2006, 8:59pm

I feel our country is on the brink of a civil war and its people will take back what is theirs. Of the people for the people. Where does it say of the government for the government?

i agree. u know thomas jefferson said that when the government becomes so powerful that it no longer serves the will of the people that it is their right and responsiblity to overthrow it. the only problem is that, like "boy george" said, "if ur not for us then ur against us". because of bogus laws like the patriot act that only vaguely use the word terrorist and never fully define it, if u plan to take back what is yours, then under this definition u could be termed the terrorist ergo all potential criminal proceedings would apply to u and not a religious fundamentalist freak. also this country has become dangerously close to fascism. mousolini defined fascism as "a merger between government and coporations". since when did the constitution say of the corporations for the corporations?
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by tessellations on Aug 18th, 2006, 9:47pm

ahhh someone who agrees with me, bless you. I live in the bible belt of Texas, and George Bush is considered a god here. Crawford is 20 mins from me. Your keyword responsibility is what it will boil down to. Can citizens be responsible enough to take back their home land and jump the fence or stay in the pasture where it is safe to grow lazy and complacent like sheep. In so far as the government goes , everyone is a terrorist until proven otherwise. Case in point our airports. The gestopo tactics in the name of freedom don't jive with me. All the stuff you can no longer take on board the plane is taken and I found out today its not distroyed or thrown away. Its resold. I call that theft. Maybe thats how airlines are buying there way out of bankrupcy. .I talked to a friend whos hubby just came back from Iraq for two weeks. He was in uniform when he came to the checkpoints. His daughter age 17 ran through the checkpoints yelling daddy! and no one stopped her. The privledged few? or gross incompetance. But yet here in Texas, illegals still cross the border, with little or no resistance. Messed up way of thinking. Tess
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Star on Aug 18th, 2006, 10:35pm

It's time for another Boston Tea Party....... but who will lead us to overthrow this dummy who mouths the words of Cheney and Rumsfeld??
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by rubix on Aug 19th, 2006, 12:42pm

It's time for another Boston Tea Party....... but who will lead us to overthrow this dummy who mouths the words of Cheney and Rumsfeld??

also, even assumming that this would be possible, have u read "animal farm" or heard the story? a group of animals on a farm noticed how the farmer lived in luxery at their expense. they animals were made to slave for him, eat scraps, be slaughtered by the butcher, and have their young sold to pay for the farmers luxery. the pig devises a plan to kill the farmer and tells the other animals that with their help, they would all share what luxery the farmer had. when all is said and done, the pig ends up taking the farmer's place in his house, smoking the farmer's pipe and eating his food, and the other animals are left where they started!
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Star on Aug 19th, 2006, 12:55pm

Yes, I have read that......and our rebellion would probably end up the same..........BUT maybe it wouldn't. I think there are a lot of advanced souls on earth now who are more willing to live life in a peaceful mode and not in a warmongering mode. So it might be worth the risk. Anything is better than what we have now. Could it be any worse? We have the specter of New World Order looming over us. I just wish there were something we could do to bring this planet into peace and harmony.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by rubix on Aug 19th, 2006, 3:30pm

u know, when u closely look at the goals of this administration, it is very clear what their agenda is. minimum wage hasn't been increased in almost 10 years. people no longer get as many benifits from their company. illegal aliens are being invited with amnesty, cause hey, they don't want either the benifits or the minimum wages and they can't have unions. tax cuts for the wealthy, very wealthy. who's paying for the war? not the taxpayers, not yet anyway. we're borrowing it mostly from china. where does this money go to? companies like haliburton who get the no-bid defense contracts to make the tanks and bombs and planes that get destroyed so they can just make more. did u know dick cheney used to be a chairman of haliburton? in other words, why don't the laborers just write the gov big checks for taxes and the gov just write haliburton that same check to their stock holders without sending kids over to die when they just joined for $30,000 for college? also, did u hear about the new credit/bankrupsy law that boy george just passed? even if u file bankrupsy because of credit card debt, they can take ur house anyway! and a lot of people just run up huge debts like that because they get sick and can't afford the hospital bill. also, remember the scare about social security? that was a huge hoax. social security was never in a danger of being threatened! know why? think about it. who took care of the baby boomers from the time they were ages 1-18 years old? obviously someone: their parents!! aren't there more working people alive today than they had parents then? that was just a master plan to take ur retirement (the last part of the gov. pie) and put it into the hands of the sharks of wallstreet. remember martha stewart, enron, worldcom and others? those people never got their money back and if they did it was a small settlement check. imagine if we switched to a system like that and they cut soc. sec. completely...u'd plan to retire at 60, and saved and invested ur whole life and when u get there, someone stole it, the three i named are just the ones who got caught. i'm not saying that i'm against investing, it's just nice to have something to fall back on. the point is, that boy george is promising to make us rich and he's the messiah giving our money back to us and saving us from an ambitious fundamentalist anarchist, when the opposite is happening. all our money is going to the hands of the wealthy (i forgot gas prices) the standard of living for the laborer hasn't gone up at all (if anywhere down) and this dog and pony show of a war was infact devised by his administration. 9-11 was an inside job, no doubt about it, and even when id did happen, we forgot about the "2 minutes hate" we spent on osama every day and completely changed to an irrelavant course of action.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by rubix on Aug 19th, 2006, 6:04pm

omg. u know i consider myself a descently intelligent person. i have just watch the films that that "garfield dancing cat lady" posted (sorry, forgot ur name, i promise i'll learn it in time) and i am shocked. i can not believe it. i feel such betrayal from the media. i don't know how else to say it. i'm talking about the clips on i think the first post on page one of this thread.
u know, call me what u want. but when i brought up my own not-completely-unfounded conclusions on 9-11, rednecks told me to "love it or leave it" and that "this is still the best country in the world". u know what i said? i said, " oh, where else have u lived?" of course, they haven't lived anywhere else. when they say "the best country", do they mean in education?? i think not. ever read about what education is like overseas w/ no summers off and early advanced placement? do they mean the unaffordable prescription drugs for the elderly, when other countries like canada have socialized healthcare? is it the standard of living, when the minimum wage level has been below poverty for the past 10 years? i mean who can live on $5.15/hr and support a family...and don't tell me it's their duty to go to school and find a better job, not everyone has that luxery, and even if they did, then how would they find those jobshuhthey'd all be taken! and what happens when they or their kids get sick? can anyone really pay bills and have insurance on $5.15/hr? jobs don't pay for insurance anymore. and furthermore, if they are expected to find and keep a higher paying job, getting the unaffordable education to do so, then what is minimum wage forhuh also, it's certainly not the crime rate. look at europe and japan. how many serial killers do u hear about in tokyo and don't tell me several!! it really just doesn't happen all that often. do they mean militarily? well, that is exactly what eisenhower warned the american people of as president: the military industrial complex. is that what makes us a great country? how sad.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by tessellations on Aug 19th, 2006, 9:35pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401315&in_page_id=1770

I don't know if anyone has seen this article, but uncovering the lies is getting closer.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Ashiana24 on Aug 22nd, 2006, 1:04pm

Hello Rubix, and Welcome to Our Forum smiley

I think what you have to say is very interesting. Far be it from me to say I'm not a proud American, but all one has to do is look around them and see all the corruption and lies that permeate throughout our whole society.

I would have it that there be another Boston Tea Party, but we must also know that the powers that be are fully aware that many people are thinking of this exact thing and are fully preparing for the uprisings and mutiny which I'm positive will eventually occur.

Right now as we speak, the government has been experimenting with weapons of war that will kill and/or injure whole communities of people. I'm not talking about nuclear bombs, I'm talking about HAARP technology that is designed for group control such as massive uprisings. In one such application, they would implement a ELF microwave weapon that would cause a burning sensation inside the group of uprising citizens. Sheesh, talk about tazershuh You can say.......this is comparable to a supersized tazer.

I've also heard that via HAARP technology, the government(s) also have in their power the ability to render a whole community of people dead in one second by stopping their hearts from beating. These are just a couple I've heard of.

I know that we all want this nonsense to stop.......the lies.....the deceit but to what cost. Are we all willing to become martyrs for a good cause. I agree with what Star said in one of her posts on this thread....."I think there are a lot of advanced souls on earth now who are more willing to live life in a peaceful mode and not in a warmongering mode. So it might be worth the risk. Anything is better than what we have now. Could it be any worse? We have the specter of New World Order looming over us."

And I've heard it said that there are only 5-10% of the population who are part of New World Order agenda, as compared with the other 90% of the population. So you'd think something could be done. As Star also said

"I just wish there were something we could do to bring this planet into peace and harmony."

God help us.

http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi

~ Ashiana
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Greg on Sep 1st, 2006, 10:52pm

Popular Mechanics article

9/11: Debunking The Myths
PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Sorry if this has been linked already.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Greg on Sep 22nd, 2006, 12:56pm

Loose Change, Parts 1 and 2 of interesting consiracy evidence video:

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp3FzSoMUYo&mode=related&search=

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBhnXztBVsE&mode=related&search=


Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Star on Sep 22nd, 2006, 1:05pm

To be fair, that second explosion sound could be an explosion of fuel after the first impact of the plane. So that part of it I think can be debunked. I do believe that our government was involved in some way in 9/11, but who can prove it? We need hard evidence.
911 - Loose Change 2nd Edition *ReCut*
Post by Kan on Sep 22nd, 2006, 1:35pm

911 - Loose Change 2nd Edition *ReCut*

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"Loose Change 2nd Edition" is the follow-up to the most provocative 9-11 documentary on the market today. This film shows direct connection between the attacks of September 11, 2001 and the United States government. Evidence is derived from news footage, scientific fact, and most important, Americans who suffered through that tragic day.

New edition 100% legal, Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501

Extra Footage:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7440129306993364432
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by joren on Oct 6th, 2006, 03:10am

I've read, seen and heard some very sad ideas here today.

I've never seen anything like it and I am in a state of shock. Nothing like this goes on in Australia. At least I've never seen anything about such things!

Why would it happen in such a great country as America? We look to America for many wonderful reasons - yet I have never come across any of this before. cry

It all seems beyond belief cry

I will have to go away and let myself digest the information cry

Then maybe I can come to some conclusions about what I have seen, heard and read cry

Sorry I cannot offer you any support folks. I can feel your pain from what you have written. I know you believe what you are saying. It is so painful cry

Thank you for sharing - I go to digest and think cry

Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by Greg on Oct 13th, 2006, 10:23am

Loose Change vs Popular Mechanics in face to face interview:

Part 1 of 5 or so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M

Unfortunately neither side sounds particularly credible, with the Loose Change youngsters presenting poorly. It sounds a lot like 'my experts/references vs your experts/references'.
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by murphy on Oct 15th, 2006, 04:57am

Did you know bin laden set up the cia??its documented!and that thing coming out of the twin towers was not a ufo!!how could it fit unoticed inside the building?and how come only 1 footage of it?u dont believe in that do u?ha ha! i think the goverment are evil, vaccinations give us cancer!
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im a skeptic,but i act on wat i kno,ufos do exist and n e 1 who ses otherwise liv in a closed minded small world!and if they think the goverment are telling the truth,they are unconcisly supporting thier evil ways,kapesshh!!!!!!!!
Re: Reopen 911 The True about the Twin Towers 2006
Post by murphy on Oct 15th, 2006, 04:58am

oh by the way "the war has just begun"
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by AJC on Oct 23rd, 2006, 10:51am

These towers went down by controlled demolishin. Many buliding engineers have said this. and one plane was carrying a fuel tank under the plane. It was installed on the underside of the plane. This was seen by a slow motion camera and also by military personnel.
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by Greg on Oct 25th, 2006, 05:18am

911 Press For Truth

I watched this excellent video the other day. It is NOT a conspiracy video like Loose Change, it is a documentary about four 911 widows trying to get answers and steer an independent investigation into 911. All evidence is from public media reports and the result is a damning review of government accidental or purposeful incompetence.

Google Video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250

Official Web Site
http://www.911pressfortruth.com/
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Post by Luvey on Oct 25th, 2006, 06:46am

I found these stories today while searching for something else, and thought you would all like to read this.

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2006/10/13/p11489

Mounting evidence on the "War against Terrorism"

Mounting evidence by independent research analysis suggests that unless the World Trade Center in Manhattan was literally made of dominos, it is impossible for a couple of planes to have brought it down. Learned academics have postulated that the World Trade Center could only have been brought down in the manner and speed that it was by a "controlled demolition". In a corresponding vein, there were no "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq. Yet, that message was apparently fabricated to legitimate a war, which reportedly could only have been launched with years on pre-planning. Similarly, the launching of military operations against the "Taliban" in Afghanistan, which is a group created and run by Archons, is a further apparent cover-story -- reinforced by mass-media operatives -- toward the pursuit and accumulation of the oil riches in that region.


Another coverup.....? Unless the American people have been told this already.....?

Forward Base Falcon Disaster
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2006/10/23/p11713

Luvey
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Post by sirius5east on Dec 30th, 2006, 7:25pm

yea, hm , well i know 1 thing for sure.,

all this after allot of reading listening watching movie files and so on hearing stories but also truth im thinking, what can we do actually when this is really going on, i mean look how far it already is, and still no one does something, but as i said before in a post a king or government is nothing without its people, we the people are stronger and actually have the power over them not the way around problem is only that most people do not realize this and are just following the crowd like sheep. but 1 sheep has to wake up and well than they might follow. wonder what 2007 brings life for me sometimes is like a movie heh whats the next chapter.. whats going to happen next year

i want to wish everyone already a super cool and well happy healthy 2007 and keep your eyes pointed at the sky you might see something that might change the course of history..

Sirius out...

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Post by mrkjm on Jan 3rd, 2007, 2:10pm

I watched about 5 minutes of this guy, and discovered right away that he is quite an idiot. He app grinarently has no concept of physics at all.
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Post by zoobone on Feb 9th, 2007, 12:57am

<a href="http://www.ansonic.com.au/3135/terrorist.htm">Who are the GLOBAL TERRORISTS ?"</a>

angry

After the atrocities of 11 September, the victim declared a "war on terrorism," targeting not just thesuspected perpetrators, but the country in which they were located, and others charged with terrorism worldwide. President Bush pledged to "rid the world of evildoers" and "not let evil stand," echoing Ronald Reagan's denunciation of the "evil scourge of terrorism" in 1985 -- specifically, state-supported international terrorism, which had been declared to be the core issue of US foreign policy as his administration came into office

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Post by Andyp on Jun 24th, 2007, 07:48am

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7941317428952413198&q=pen+and+teller+911+conspiracy&total=16&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9 grin
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Post by Mouse on Jun 26th, 2007, 4:48pm

just watched videos reopen 911
very interesting
thanks
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Post by AJC on Jun 26th, 2007, 9:17pm

Tell me something I do not already know........Even the military had a video of it happening and a service man told me this about 3 years ago.
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Post by tinselsprite on Jul 20th, 2007, 1:36pm

Just watched two videos,very convincing, has there been an official response to these claims?
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Post by Raf on Aug 7th, 2007, 3:22pm

We’ve just spent the last 45 days examining Isaac’s Caret / Tahoe / Drone videos, pic and emails for every minor inconsistancy. We’ve questioned every possible event and submitted that footage to a variety of experts for evidence of tampering.

But then someone submits a URL to some questionable video footage and everyone is up in arms…no questions asked.

Do any of you actually think these videos could come close to standing up to that kind of scrutiny we are currently using on the Tahoe Drones and Isaac pics?

Did anyone even question..just the tiniest bit… the idea that this video might be a bit biased to the viewpoint of the producers?

Lastly, you need to realize that all video (these days) is circumspect and can be easily manipulated by anyone with a point to prove…or some money to make.

I think this entire thread is pathetic. I’m no fan of politics as usual but to even suggest that the President of the United States had anything to do with the Al Quaida attack on is just plain wrong.

Raf

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Post by Stigmata on Aug 19th, 2007, 4:05pm

on Aug 7th, 2007, 3:22pm, Raf wrote:
We’ve just spent the last 45 days examining Isaac’s Caret / Tahoe / Drone videos, pic and emails for every minor inconsistancy. We’ve questioned every possible event and submitted that footage to a variety of experts for evidence of tampering.

But then someone submits a URL to some questionable video footage and everyone is up in arms…no questions asked.

Do any of you actually think these videos could come close to standing up to that kind of scrutiny we are currently using on the Tahoe Drones and Isaac pics?

Did anyone even question..just the tiniest bit… the idea that this video might be a bit biased to the viewpoint of the producers?

Lastly, you need to realize that all video (these days) is circumspect and can be easily manipulated by anyone with a point to prove…or some money to make.

I think this entire thread is pathetic. I’m no fan of politics as usual but to even suggest that the President of the United States had anything to do with the Al Quaida attack on is just plain wrong.

Raf



Could not agree more..
Seems like a hatred for Bush is so strong, im about ready to just never come here again to this web site, this just shows that people can be made to believe anything.. Like drones perhaps, like Isaac perhaps i mean this is ridiculous..

You may be so strong in your ready to jump off the ship faith, that me saying i might just be ready to not come back here, you might be saying good riddance.

I have noticed here the usual tendencies to attack any dissent or apposing view from posters that are not going along with the cough cough uh political climate be it about UFOs , Isaac, Bush, etc etc . Objective you say?
Just remember they felt they were being (objectively Honest) when they Burned witches at the stake..

Hmm well if i fell that way then Stig your not welcome here.. Is this objective?
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Post by retiurcerymralolz on Oct 5th, 2007, 7:42pm

been reaserching this and this vid made up my mind. I belive the govt did this. Way to much evidence. Ive looked at both sides too. Im not just saying it because of this video ive looked at debunking of the conspiracy theory and its bs all the way.
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Post by AJC on Oct 6th, 2007, 09:38am

The videos are great and the info is right on. My favorite author on this is Jim Marrs. His book TERROR CONSPIRACY..........is the ultimate look into the whole mask of the so called 9/11 fiasco . Jim is a great author and his book is a must read id you want to know the Truth. Thanks, TOXO
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Post by aleksman71 on Feb 3rd, 2008, 11:15am

Here is a view from chopper 4 and there is no plane visible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQTsiLX3XbA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9GYaUQyUxY

So many choppers in the air and not one image of plane itself.
http://static.scribd.com/docs/4vmze1swjhwq1.swf?INITIAL_VIEW=page


The person on the left doesn’t react, until the explosion. And even then he takes only one photo? I would take pictures as crazy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw0iBDNThw4


CNN and BBC conspiracy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4UjVLDY0qg
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Image analyze of WTC
http://www.911research.dsl.pipex.com/ggua175/

__________________________________________
Just coincident,but Pentagon groundbreaking ceremony took place on September 11, 1941?
And U.S. President George H. W. Bush delivers on September 11 a nationally televised speech in which he threatens the use of force to remove Iraqi soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently invaded. He mentions the term "New World Order" in this speech for the first time, which is also named "Towards a New World Order".
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Post by victorconte on Mar 4th, 2008, 11:17am

plane, no plane, irrelevant (and possibly blatent disinfo) as far as I'm concerned. WTC7 and Norman Minettas' testimony is what I start with when informing others of the truth behind 911. And also I remember my physics class in high school. The way the buildings came down is not possible as discribed in the 911 commission report and looks and acts like a controlled demo. If these "pancaked", where does the energy come from to launch heavy, steel beams hundreds of yards away, some so forcfully that they stuck into the sides of other buildings? How was it possible that human remains were found on the rooftops of surrounding buildings if the building collapsed due to pancake/gravityhuh

game over. Impeach and imprison bush/cheney and their group. After awhile silence becomes complicity.
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Post by luna on Mar 8th, 2008, 08:54am

on Aug 7th, 2007, 3:22pm, Raf wrote:
We’ve just spent the last 45 days examining Isaac’s Caret / Tahoe / Drone videos, pic and emails for every minor inconsistancy. We’ve questioned every possible event and submitted that footage to a variety of experts for evidence of tampering.

But then someone submits a URL to some questionable video footage and everyone is up in arms…no questions asked.

Do any of you actually think these videos could come close to standing up to that kind of scrutiny we are currently using on the Tahoe Drones and Isaac pics?

Did anyone even question..just the tiniest bit… the idea that this video might be a bit biased to the viewpoint of the producers?

Lastly, you need to realize that all video (these days) is circumspect and can be easily manipulated by anyone with a point to prove…or some money to make.

I think this entire thread is pathetic. I’m no fan of politics as usual but to even suggest that the President of the United States had anything to do with the Al Quaida attack on is just plain wrong.

Raf



Its not just the photos, Raf, but the overwhelming inconsistencies within the "official" story. And why, may I ask, is is it so terribly hard to conceive the idea that ANY president..especially this one.. could never have anything to do with an attack on America? Let me point out that this puppet is merely the fool in the midst of plain evil. He regurgitates utter nonsense on a daily basis (Mission Accomplished) and expects the sheep to follow...which sadly, they do.
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Post by luna on Mar 8th, 2008, 08:57am

on Aug 19th, 2007, 4:05pm, Stigmata wrote:
Could not agree more..
Seems like a hatred for Bush is so strong, im about ready to just never come here again to this web site, this just shows that people can be made to believe anything.. Like drones perhaps, like Isaac perhaps i mean this is ridiculous..

You may be so strong in your ready to jump off the ship faith, that me saying i might just be ready to not come back here, you might be saying good riddance.

I have noticed here the usual tendencies to attack any dissent or apposing view from posters that are not going along with the cough cough uh political climate be it about UFOs , Isaac, Bush, etc etc . Objective you say?
Just remember they felt they were being (objectively Honest) when they Burned witches at the stake..

Hmm well if i fell that way then Stig your not welcome here.. Is this objective?


I dont think its as much "attacking" as disagreeing. Maybe you should consider not taking a differing opinion so personally. wink
Just a thought!
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Post by LoneGunMan on Apr 16th, 2008, 12:31pm

I have not seen this link posted before but this is also very informative. Take it for what its worth. I tend to agree with this mans hypothisis.

Lone

http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit.html
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Post by Raf on Apr 16th, 2008, 1:18pm

LGM...nice site. Makes a lot more sense than...other theories.

Raf
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Post by AJC on Apr 16th, 2008, 3:44pm

Look what happened the week and day before the "attack" . The stock market and Wall Streeet did what?
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Post by candyfloss on Apr 17th, 2008, 05:47am

Straw Poll- How many members of ufocasebook feel that 911 was an inside job?I ask this as I feel it is the litmus test of conspiracy theories concerning NWO,OWG,illuminati camps etcInterested parties post here...
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Post by LoneGunMan on Apr 17th, 2008, 08:04am

I for one don't believe one word of this conspiracy. This was a second attempt at it and this time it worked. If our black-ops gov. was to conspire to blow up any building it would have been the UN. Not the WTC. If we needed the world to come to our side that would have been the target chosen.
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Post by candyfloss on Apr 17th, 2008, 2:59pm

So,thats one against,thanks lone ,anyone else?
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Post by AJC on Apr 17th, 2008, 3:38pm

This was a conspiracy all the way. any other conclusions and you would have to be in another planet
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Post by candyfloss on Apr 18th, 2008, 04:55am

thanks for replying ajc ,yet the majority of people it appears would say we're on another planet for quite understandable reasons.I feel that if people can get their heads around this they can get their heads around alot more if you know what i mean,so that's three of us then
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Post by temps13 on Apr 25th, 2008, 11:41pm

make that four-I've got 3 dvd's each one packed with totally different PROOF that the 'secret government/military industrial complex/illuminati/project for the 21st century/nwo boys/Ashkenazi mafia' did the towers themselves.and the london bombings.NOT A SHRED OF DOUBT .the governments the real enemy!best believe it!individual freedoms gonna be a thing of the past,as they follow Chinas eugenics soon it'll be illegal to have a brother.oh,its coming..Just wait n see..
Can any good things be gonna happen to save us? not when the mass of humanity remain in fear and ignorance.its up to us to educate and inform where we can,man. cool while we still can sad
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Post by candyfloss on Apr 26th, 2008, 06:39am

What are these dvd's?
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Post by candyfloss on May 7th, 2008, 09:32am

I've just been reading about the Lavan affair in Egypt.One of Mossad's mottos is 'war by deceit'.I posted under the whereabouts of j.casbolt thread about the recent demands from the US of Israel as to why a Colombian drug cartel had five US built military helicopters that had been sold to Israel by the US?Hmmmm...?
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Post by temps13 on May 10th, 2008, 03:48am

Candy,the 3 dvds you wanna watch are:1.'9/11 eyewitness';2.'loose change'(2nd edition?) and 3.Alex jone's '9/11 road to tyranny' (I think) or'police state' ANYWAY,ITS THE ONE WHERE HE STARTS OFF COVERING
THE republican convention in new york.dont listen to the disinformation of people like michael moore.BUT theres also David Ickes book 'Alice in wonderland and the world trade centre disaster' all the proof is there.
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Post by candyfloss on May 10th, 2008, 04:08am

Thanks for the info,I've been reading that Micheal Moore is Mossad and a 'temporal adjudicator'whatever that is?I will check out the dvd's you mentioned,there is a mine of info about 9/11 so it's hard to know where to start.
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Post by Izzie on May 15th, 2008, 12:11pm

9/11 conspiracy i THINK i've seen the video i'm not sure i think i watched it on a dicumentary!!
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Post by aleksman71 on May 18th, 2008, 1:02pm

Did you know that Marvin P. Bush(his younger brother),was on board of directors providing security for WTC?


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0301/S00032.htm
Really nice family
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/bush_crime_family.htm


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Post by AngelWynton on May 18th, 2008, 4:16pm

on May 18th, 2008, 1:02pm, aleksman71 wrote:
Did you know that Marvin P. Bush(his younger brother),was on board of directors providing security for WTC?


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0301/S00032.htm
Really nice family
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/bush_crime_family.htm



We knew this all the long, started with world war 2
but believe me the true come out as soon USA has
a brand New President, and I hope Hillary is the One.
Why didn't American People start shouting we don't want
War's no more?? Parents cry's for there son's and daughters
Bush Senior started with this, he gave Sadam Hoesein
chemicals to start the War with Iran. Then he gave that
Country Irak a claim on there oil to honger them out.
See for your self, God gave us 10 commentmend's
the fourth says..THEY SHALL NOT KILL..
So I say, every Country and Soldier and man and wife
even teenagers "EVERYONE WHO KILL'S IS A KILLER"
And broke the Fourt(4e) commentmend God Gave us.
What we Christians must do is. protest against those
who want to sent our children sent for War..
SAY NO!!!!! Don't even judge Bush..let God decide!!
Even the frogs knows this World is walking on the
Edge. See for yourself....They Run for there life's

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Love Greetings Angel Wynton


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Post by hyundisonata on May 18th, 2008, 6:59pm

The CIA FBI ect are getting away with cold blooded murder, nothing is ever done to them as they hide behind a wall of secrecy, Waco Texas proved this when they murdered the sect and the children in the sect and have been caught red handed with their lies but still nothing was done about it these guys will go to any length to enforce their political masters policies
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Post by AngelWynton on May 19th, 2008, 02:45am

on May 18th, 2008, 6:59pm, hyundisonata wrote:
The CIA FBI ect are getting away with cold blooded murder, nothing is ever done to them as they hide behind a wall of secrecy, Waco Texas proved this when they murdered the sect and the children in the sect and have been caught red handed with their lies but still nothing was done about it these guys will go to any length to enforce their political masters policies


Believe me, something is gonna change this year.
Hillary saw those video's too..and I don't think
she will forget those video's..maby that's why
people want's Obama..wrong Bush want's Obama
cause he know's Hillary will start a inquary wink
And she will, 4 years ago I email'd Hillary to go
for president, caus Bill was also a peace maker.
Then she answerd she will not do but later think about it.


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Greetings Angel Wynton


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Post by hyundisonata on May 19th, 2008, 04:18am

Do you honestly believe this woman will expose her husband and his government with regards to Waco, no chance? What is needed in American politics is new young blood that has not been affiliated with the dirty deeds of previous governments that way if he or she survives being assassinated by the CIA or whoever, might just expose the truth that is buried
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Post by candyfloss on May 19th, 2008, 04:26am

What America needs is total revolution.Ironically,I think we can learn alot from the Mudjahadeen.
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Post by AngelWynton on May 19th, 2008, 04:31am

The first One how never did a small sin trow
the first stone we always say..by the way
the true hast to come out first about the twin towers!
You need that woman and we in europe to.
All War hast to be stopt first.

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Post by aleksman71 on Jun 15th, 2008, 2:27pm

From 50 Things you aren't suppose to know

THE CIA COMMITS OVER 100,000 SERIOUS CRIMES EACH YEAR
It's no big secret that the Central Intelligence Agency breaks the law. But just how often its does
in is a shocker. A Congressional report reveals that the CIA's spooks "engage in highly illegal
activities" at least 100,000 times each year (which breaks down to hundreds of crimes every
day). Mind you, we aren't talking about run-of-the-mill illegal activities — these are "highly
illegal activities" that "break extremely serious laws."
In 1996, the House of Representatives' Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence released a
huge report entitled "IC21: The Intelligence Community in the 21st Century." Buried amid
hun-dreds of pages is a single, devastating paragraph:
The CS [clandestine service] is the only part of the IC [intelligence community], indeed of
the government, where hundreds of employees on a daily basis are directed to break
extremely serious laws in countries around the world in the face of frequently sophisticated
efforts by foreign governments to catch them. A safe estimate is that several hundred times
every day (easily 100,000 times a year) DO [Directorate of Operations] officers engage in
highly illegal activities (according to foreign law) that not only risk political embarrassment
to the US but also endanger the freedom if not lives of the participating foreign nationals
and, more than occasionally, of the clandestine officer himself.
Amazingly, there is no explanation, no follow-up. The report simply drops this bombshell and
moves on as blithely as if it had just printed a grocery list.
One of the world's foremost experts on the CIA — John Kelly, who uncovered this revelation —
notes that this is "the first official admission and definition of CIA covert operations as crimes."
He goes on to say:
The report suggested that the CIA's crimes include murder and that "the targets of the CS
[Clandestine Service] are increasingly international and transnational and a global
presence is increasingly crucial to attack those targets." In other words, we are not talking
about simply stealing secrets. We are talking about the CIA committing crimes against
humanity with de facto impunity and con-gressional sanctioning.
Other government documents, including CIA reports, show that the CIA's crimes include
terrorism, assassination, torture, and systematic violations of human rights. The documents
also show that these crimes are part and parcel of deliberate CIA policy (the
[congressional] report notes that CIA personnel are "directed" to commit crimes).

http://rapidshare.com/files/122683126/50things.rar.html
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Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 15th, 2008, 2:39pm

And your point is what? That we should be the only ones to be above the frayhuh Every, and I mean Every clandestine government agency like our CIA is doing this and much worse. Its an unfortunate necessity. Without having the ability to act in a covert way, we put ourselves at risk. Others will and have taken advantage of our CIA being gutted and NOT alowing them to share information vital to our security with other agencies. I don't like it, but I understand it.
Lone
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Post by aleksman71 on Jun 15th, 2008, 3:46pm

The point is ...
they dont care if you are guilty or not.They torture and kill to get information.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=sl&hs=gJe&pwst=1&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=egypt+torture+for+cia&spell=1

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=sl&hs=jJe&q=uzbekistan+torture+for+cia&btnG=Search

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/01/MNGE5CI9MO1.DTL
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/1/19/exclusive_ex_british_ambassador_to_uzbekistan

http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/39199/view?viewtype=best&skip=10
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Post by alexIzm on Jun 17th, 2008, 12:44pm

on Jun 15th, 2008, 2:39pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
And your point is what? That we should be the only ones to be above the frayhuh Every, and I mean Every clandestine government agency like our CIA is doing this and much worse. Its an unfortunate necessity. Without having the ability to act in a covert way, we put ourselves at risk. Others will and have taken advantage of our CIA being gutted and NOT alowing them to share information vital to our security with other agencies. I don't like it, but I understand it.
Lone


I understand it very well too. But what I don't understand, is why all the bullsh%t about democracy, freedom, human rights and so on? I understand that the US is the major power in the world. I understand all the paranoia that justifies some of horrible things the US government did and continues doing. What I don't understand, is why American people still willingly pay trillions of dollars to these monsters and continue to feel good about it. Why all the crap about compassionate and free nation coming out of your president's mouth? Why this fake joke you all know as fair elections?

You guys act exactly like the USSR did. And something tells me your are going to end up that way too! Or worse.
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Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 17th, 2008, 1:52pm

From your use of "You Guys" I gather your not a US citizen. My gut tells me your Canadian,not sure, If thats the case, you might want to take a real good look at your RCMP. They have a wing very much like MI5, and the CIA. If you think they are any differant, I'm here to tell you your missinformed, Like I said before, every and I mean every government has its own CIA and regardless of what you believe they do exactly the same job in the same manner.
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Post by asperz on Jun 17th, 2008, 2:01pm

on Jun 17th, 2008, 1:52pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
From your use of "You Guys" I gather your not a US citizen. My gut tells me your Canadian,not sure, If thats the case, you might want to take a real good look at your RCMP. They have a wing very much like MI5, and the CIA. If you think they are any differant, I'm here to tell you your missinformed, Like I said before, every and I mean every government has its own CIA and regardless of what you believe they do exactly the same job in the same manner.


Yes they do, it is called the CSIS, Canadian Security Intelligence Service.
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Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 17th, 2008, 2:24pm

Thank you, I could not remember what it was called.

Lone
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Post by alexIzm on Jun 17th, 2008, 2:47pm

on Jun 17th, 2008, 1:52pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
From your use of "You Guys" I gather your not a US citizen. My gut tells me your Canadian,not sure, If thats the case, you might want to take a real good look at your RCMP. They have a wing very much like MI5, and the CIA. If you think they are any differant, I'm here to tell you your missinformed, Like I said before, every and I mean every government has its own CIA and regardless of what you believe they do exactly the same job in the same manner.


You are correct, I am not a US citizen. But I am not Canadian either. In fact I was born in the Soviet Union and lived there for a long time. Now I live in the US. And like I said earlier, I agree with what you saying. Everyone is considering their own interests only. CIA, MI5, MOSSAD, FSB - they are all the same. Achieve power by any means necessary. And I even agree to some extent that it is the right way of doing things in our savage world.

I've lived in the USSR and I've lived in the US for some time now too. Man, it is astonishing how many similarities I see between the two. Freedom, compassion, for the good of the world... I've heard all of it before. Americans for some reason think Soviet people were all crazy lunatics who went to bed every night thinking of world domination. No, we also thought that what our country was doing was the right thing to do. The society had its rules and people were following those rules not because they were oppressed, but because, just like here, people obeyed the law and though bad of people who didn't.

Freedom of speech. Yes there were things you were not supposed to talk about. The same here. I can tell you so many taboos here that if you start talking about them in public, you'd get in trouble pretty soon.

Communism is just social structure (never achieved by any state ever by the way). If this country is so free, why the heck I can't start a communist party here? Because the law says so. It was exactly the same thing in th USSR. You were supposed to hate capitalism and if you didn't you were a traitor and a bad person.

What is sad, is that the majority of Americans still think that starting a war, that some say took more than a million lives, has made the world a better place somehow or made them secure. The major argument against the war in Iraq was always about the American soldiers who die there. Rearly about Iraqi people. They all say, stop the war, we don't want OUR children to die. No one cares if Iraqi children die because they are not children, they are terrorists. The stupid Hollywood brainwashing made everyone sure that if an American kills someone abroad (especially someone with Russian or Arab accent) that it was the right and humane thing to do for the good of the world.

And, LGM, I don't think we contradict each other. I agree with what you are saying. The contradiction really is between what you are saying and what your government is saying. The contradiction is between how America acts and how America perceives its actions. That's a path to self distraction.
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Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 17th, 2008, 3:09pm

I stand completely corrected. Alexi, I was taking the long way around the barn, as we say. I'm a known curmudgeon here so take what I write with a whole bunch of salt. I get a bit upset because so many bash the US. We are slowly loosing our rights ,but ,we still have much more than alot of places. They still have the right to post all they're opinions without a KGB type knocking on they're doors in the middle of the night to introduce them to the 'thought police'! It may happen here someday and that will be too horrible to think for me. I fight back in any way I can. Most others do also in they're own way.

Lone
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Post by Ashiana24 on Jun 17th, 2008, 3:17pm

on Jun 17th, 2008, 2:47pm, alexIzm wrote:
I've lived in the USSR and I've lived in the US for some time now too. Man, it is astonishing how many similarities I see between the two. Freedom, compassion, for the good of the world... I've heard all of it before. Americans for some reason think Soviet people were all crazy lunatics who went to bed every night thinking of world domination.


Privit, Alex. Kak de La? smiley Greetings from the beautiful State of Oregon. Yes, it was my Russian sister friend who taught me those Russian words. As I met her and got to know her better she opened up to me and I began to realize we do have many similarities, as you mentioned. I think that's the trouble with the world now. We focus on all the differences between us instead of the similarities we have between us.

We're all human beings, and it took me some time until I reached adulthood to realize most of us have the same wants and needs no matter what country you come from:Freedom, compassion, the good of the world, to love and be loved by our fellow man.

If we all had a chance to meet civilians in other countries, we'd find out that many of them are just like us with the same wants and needs and desire to live in a better world.

~ Ashiana
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Post by alexIzm on Jun 17th, 2008, 3:26pm

on Jun 17th, 2008, 3:09pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
I stand completely corrected. Alexi, I was taking the long way around the barn, as we say. I'm a known curmudgeon here so take what I write with a whole bunch of salt. I get a bit upset because so many bash the US. We are slowly loosing our rights ,but ,we still have much more than alot of places. They still have the right to post all they're opinions without a KGB type knocking on they're doors in the middle of the night to introduce them to the 'thought police'! It may happen here someday and that will be too horrible to think for me. I fight back in any way I can. Most others do also in they're own way.

Lone


Alexander actuallysmiley

I agree, this is a great country. I mean it. I live here after all. on the personal level, I can't really complain. I have everything I want and all I have to do is to sit in the office for 8 hours a day to get it. Race and gender issues (reversed here as oppose to some other places) exist pretty much only in the media.

I'm just so frustrated sometimes. And not so much about what's going on, but about how that is promoted and perceived. It's like when you are walking down the street and see a pile of dog crap on the ground. There is noting unnatural about it. On the other hand, if someone is to take this pile and wrap it in a nice shiny package, then give it to you and say that it is the best brand of French chocolate and you should eat it. And what is sad, that many people in this county really do eat that crap. But on the other hand, there many who don't.

By the way, I can think of a couple of topics, which if you start posting about them, will bring you to the attention of the CIA kind. You might even get a knock on the door. All they have to do is to label you as a "threat to national security" afterwards. In USSR the label was "an enemy of the nation".
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Post by alexIzm on Jun 17th, 2008, 3:30pm

on Jun 17th, 2008, 3:17pm, Ashiana24 wrote:
Privit, Alex. Kak de La? smiley Greetings from the beautiful State of Oregon. Yes, it was my Russian sister friend who taught me those Russian words. As I met her and got to know her better she opened up to me and I began to realize we do have many similarities, as you mentioned. I think that's the trouble with the world now. We focus on all the differences between us instead of the similarities we have between us.

We're all human beings, and it took me some time until I reached adulthood to realize most of us have the same wants and needs no matter what country you come from:Freedom, compassion, the good of the world, to love and be loved by our fellow man.

If we all had a chance to meet civilians in other countries, we'd find out that many of them are just like us with the same wants and needs and desire to live in a better world.

~ Ashiana


Spasibo, horosho. smiley

You are exactly right!
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Post by aleksman71 on Jul 5th, 2008, 1:24pm


Why not bashing the US, when they repress others for decades and enforcing them there rules. “We are slowly loosing our rights, but, we still have much more than allot of places”
And someday you will be without any rights. They can arrest you, hold you in prison, torture you, surveill you house, calls … without any proper evidence. And you don’t live better then allot of places.Guverment is poisoning you for decades with useless vaccinations,
http://www.mmdnewswire.com/food-poisoning-you-are-eating-californias-dead-pets-2319.html food poisoning, http://www.naturalnews.com/021745.html chemical warfare dumped in oceans … http://www.mbari.org/news/homepage/2008/chemweapons.html
And the list is huge.
The only important value in USA is money. Most people live in cheap wooden houses, eating
cheap poisoned food, drinking poisoned bottled water”.
You are domesticated by your government.

And who is the government?Bush? NO! Carlyle Group! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/31/september11.usa4 They decided about WTC, war in Iraq … and they are deciding who is going to be a president.


They own you!!
Listen to him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dY4WlxO6i0


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Post by toxo on Sep 10th, 2008, 1:36pm

I met a guy at hunting camp about 3-4 years ago. He was standing across the street when the missle hit. He told me that there was no engine noise at all. Just a swish, then the missle hit the pentagon.
What I got a kick out of the other day was this:
In the morning the official version was as the wings went through re pentagon it knocked down support beams. Then at night another "official version" said that wings got blown off when the wings hit the outside of the pentagon. Two official versions were completely different!!!!!!!!!
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Post by eedisonikk on Apr 30th, 2009, 8:32pm

It is more than obvious that the U.S. Government had their hands in this, it's truly disturbing and very sad.
People are starting to wake up.
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Post by soapy on Jun 16th, 2009, 1:17pm

shocked To get the whole picture get Jim Marrs book, The Teror conspiracy, This is the most devestating book on the coverup by no t this country but the world wide conspiracy ever to hit the market
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Post by Seeker on Jun 16th, 2009, 5:55pm

Angel,

I was unable to bring up the first link, but I have watched the second, and it proves what I've known from the beginning. 9/11 was not a terrorist attack,
nor were the planes that crashed into the buildings responsible for the complete failure and utter destruction of the buildings. They were imploded. No plane ever crashed into the Pentagon at all. That was the result of an explosion as well.

Excellent video with irrefutable evidence and documentation.

As I said, I knew all this to be so... its nice to see some "proof" of it, even if it is a horror to have to face up to a far uglier and more cold-blooded truth than that the U.S. was under attack by terrorists from foreign soil.

I might add that those responsible achieved their objective.
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Post by AngelWynton on Jun 17th, 2009, 02:04am

Hello everyone wink

I'll put the downloads on seti.nl last night.

wink
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Post by AngelWynton on Jun 17th, 2009, 02:11am

on Jun 16th, 2009, 5:55pm, Seeker wrote:
Angel,

I was unable to bring up the first link, but I have watched the second, and it proves what I've known from the beginning. 9/11 was not a terrorist attack,
nor were the planes that crashed into the buildings responsible for the complete failure and utter destruction of the buildings. They were imploded. No plane ever crashed into the Pentagon at all. That was the result of an explosion as well.

Excellent video with irrefutable evidence and documentation.

As I said, I knew all this to be so... its nice to see some "proof" of it, even if it is a horror to have to face up to a far uglier and more cold-blooded truth than that the U.S. was under attack by terrorists from foreign soil.

I might add that those responsible achieved their objective.


Hello Seeker,

Sorry I'm so late to responde, sure this is hell for
the NewYork people, we know that from asbest
they will get cancer, and die cry
This is even wurse then Chernobil Russia with those
kern reactors. undecided I call the bush administation..
mass morders on a first degree, and who is gonna
jugde them?? Politics are wurse and dirty then I ever
thought. undecided
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Post by getcruunkk on Jul 17th, 2009, 12:14pm

Quote:
I call the bush administation..
mass morders on a first degree, and who is gonna
jugde them?? Politics are wurse and dirty then I ever
thought.


Get used to it, we live in a xxxxed up time.

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Post by Eve on Jul 25th, 2009, 09:48am

In case anyone is interested.. here is a link to a scientific paper written on the experiments performed on some debris found from 9/11. It gets pretty technical, but you can gather what the point is by reading the abstract and the conclusion.

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
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Post by timetraveler on Sep 13th, 2009, 2:18pm

Allow me to introduce myself. I am an internationally known psychic and my autobiography and my psychic experiences are included in my latest book,"Other Dimensions",[available from Barnes and Noble and Amazon].
I also worked as an investigator for the New York City Comptroller's Office for 29 years. My present wife and I used to eat breakfast during work days in the restaurants on the ground floor of the World Trade Center. Sometimes I had to go to the upper floors of the World Trade Center building to receive or to deliver documents. Whenever I would go to the higher floors I was very psychically nervous and I felt that these World Trade Center buildings were not constructed of solid materials and I felt very insecure until I exited the building. Whenever I went to the higher floors of the Empire State building, I felt very secure and that this building was built solid.
Let us now deal with what I believe is the most deadly conspiracy of all times. First, let us think with the mind of an Arab. A western person usually thinks in short-term results and plans accordingly. But an Arab thinks ahead for many years and bases his thinking and strategies accordingly.
Osama is an engineer who is very educated and knowledgeable regarding the composition of structures and materials involved. He did not choose the Empire State building for the 9/11 attack because he knew that it was built correctly and a plane crash would cause minimal damage to the structure. He also knew that the World Trade Center buildings were constructed of highly inflammable materials if they would be subjected to a high octane fuel fire. The World Trade Center buildings burned like kindling wood after the passenger jets crashed into them. I believe they should have been an investigation of the architects and builders and planners and inspectors of the World Trade Center buildings to hold them liable for the deaths of thousands of people!

But this is only a small part of the bigger conspiracy. Osama in order to convert the world to the Moslem religion had to gain control not only of the governments of this world but also of the monetary systems and economics of the major world countries. Look at the history of major disasters in our times, including the 9/11 disaster. Certain Arab investors made fortunes of money by having advance notice of these major disasters which affected the stock markets.
Nostradamus predicted that the third and most terrible anti-Christ will be living in our modern times. I believe that this third antichrist is Osama and that our president Obama is his tool. If Obama can weaken our country by plunging us into a major depression and major debt then this will weaken our economy and open the floodgates to Moslem influence.
At the present time our national debt is $9 trillion and Obama is continuing to increase national debt by borrowing money from countries like China and by giving huge incentive loans to big corporations and banks.
I hope that the CIA is aware of this as this is a violation of our national security and the security of the United States people.

What do you think? Irwyn
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Post by ava on Sep 27th, 2009, 11:15am

...Allow me to introduce myself. I am an internationally known psychic..

So why didn't you see it coming ?

ava
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Post by Seeker on Sep 27th, 2009, 2:58pm

on Sep 27th, 2009, 11:15am, ava wrote:
...Allow me to introduce myself. I am an internationally known psychic..

So why didn't you see it coming ?

ava


In defense of TimeTraveler, allow me to explain what it means to be psychic. A psychic picks up vibrations around him or her and tunes into energies swirling about in the ethers. They do not ... COULD not!.... pick up on every single thing. To do so would drive them mad and allow them no life of their own! Just because one is adept at picking up events psychically does not mean he or see would necessarily pick up on this particular one. In addition, sometimes psychics DO get
'hits" on something their conscious mind rejects and will not allow through. Sometimes it's because it's about a loved one and they don't want to believe/see/receive what they are picking up on... sometimes it's just too horrendous to contemplate and they can't and won't allow themselves to go there. Either way, psychics aren't infallible, and "not seeing it coming" in no way invalidates TimeTraveler's views, thoughts and insights about the tragedy the U.S. (in cooperation with the power elite that hold the true power behind the world goverment) purpetrated on its innocent citizens to achieve and end goal. That goal was achieved in three stages: first fear, then shock, and finally brain-washing that resulted in the voluntary giving up of civil rights granted (and up until now honored and held up by) the Constitution, and more importantly, The Bill of Rights.
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Post by timetraveler on Sep 28th, 2009, 12:19pm

Thank you Seeker for explaining that psychics cannot be constantly "turned on"or they would go insane. Imagine if I was able to recall all of my 40 or 50 Earth past lives incarnations simultaneously I would be a basket case. I did mention to certain friends several years before the 9/11 disaster that the twin Towers were not safe or well constructed and that they had a bad vibration. Allow me to share with you an e-mail which I wrote recently to a friend. Consider the greater implications involved:

"Andre, I am very concerned about the current state of affairs in the world. I do not focus on the local problems of this country only as I do believe that there is a global conspiracy that affects the entire world. I believe that this master plan was constructed about 30 years ago and I believe that Osama is the architect. We have already discussed in e-mails that in order for Osama to control this world and to enforce a Moslem type dictatorship he needs to perform several functions.
1. He needs to control or influence the major countries. It is already doing this in the United States by using Obama as his Moslem tool.
2. He needs to control or manipulate the stock markets and consequently the monetary system of the world. He is doing this because he has an unlimited money supply from certain banks in Saudi Arabia and he uses money as leverage to control and manipulate the banking system and worldwide giant corporations. An example of this is the twin towers disaster. Certain Moslem Arab investors were informed prior to this attack to buy and sell stocks that would be affected by that terrorist attack. As a result billions of dollars were profited by these Arab investors.
3. To take control of countries it is necessary to literally take the country away from the people by nationalizing its companies and assets and by passing laws to limit the rights of the people and to divest them of their constitutional rights to protest or to demonstrate or to revolt. This is being done now in the United States and the press is being used as an opiate and a tranquilizer to distract the people of this country from the dangers of our present dictatorial government. The favorite ploy of a president such as George Bush and the current president is to create an artificial state of national emergency, such as a war, which gives the president the right and the power to control the people and the direction of this country regarding policy and foreign affairs. The press has been manipulated by George Bush and now it is being manipulated by Obama. The American people are like sheep. They follow and believe blindly what the press tells them. The next step that Obama will probaly do is to censor the Internet because it is not presently under government control.
4. Osama is a very dangerous and intelligent adversary and he is using our own Constitution and system of government against us. Several presidents ago it was realized that the Constitution should be revised to be a greater protection for the people of the United States in the modern times. A committee of lawyers was formed to investigate the Constitution and to make recommendations for changes and revisions. But this committee was disbanded and nothing was ever done. We are basically a stupid country who trusts and believes in our system of government. We are now in a crisis wherein our government does not reflect or consider the rights and freedoms of the people of the United States. This is not a government of the people and the people have no say in how this government is run. In the name of God, let the people of this country wake up and take back our own country from this oppressive government! Amen."

What do you think? Irwyn

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Post by Jose Chung on Oct 23rd, 2010, 11:47am

A person has to be completely brainwashed if they think Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11.
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Post by icepick on Oct 27th, 2010, 2:18pm

on Jun 17th, 2009, 02:11am, AngelWynton wrote:
Hello Seeker,

Sorry I'm so late to responde, sure this is hell for
the NewYork people, we know that from asbest
they will get cancer, and die cry
This is even wurse then Chernobil Russia with those
kern reactors. undecided I call the bush administation..
mass morders on a first degree, and who is gonna
jugde them?? Politics are wurse and dirty then I ever
thought. undecided


Far worse than Chernobyl maybe, as there seems to be some anomalies regarding toxicity at that site:

http://animal.discovery.com/news/afp/20060417/chernobyl.html

Everybody knows that something is wrong with the official version of 911. Where one goes south is when they think they know exactly what it is that's wrong.

Keep in mind that when the truth was finally known about Pearl Harbor, all it turned out to be was that the American Ambassador To Japan had heard some rumor at a dinner party in Tokyo, about a year before the attack. Hardly a smoking gun.
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Post by icepick on Oct 27th, 2010, 2:28pm

on Oct 23rd, 2010, 11:47am, Jose Chung wrote:
A person has to be completely brainwashed if they think Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11.


I wouldn't remove it from the list of possibilities. Remember that he was on the payroll for a very long time. The first time Americans ever heard of him was Ollie North's testimony in the Iran-Contra Hearings.

On the other hand, these folks usually rush to take credit for an act they committed. Osama only stated to give thanks to those responsible.

I highly doubt that the American Government was directly responsible. Instead, I would say they were totally derelict in their duties, as they had full knowledge of the plot, knew of some of the perpetrators taking multiple engine jet flying lessons, and managed to lose complete track of them during August of 2001. Too many donuts?
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Post by icepick on Oct 27th, 2010, 2:40pm

Has anybody seen this material?

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/defense/index.html

I think all should find that highly interesting. Especially when at 1850 mph, a F-15 could cover the entire east coast in an hour. And at 1200 mph, the F-16 wouldn't take much longer.

If that's not bad enough? A friend of mine is a former USAF pilot. He states that you have to add at least A FULL MACH to get the true speed of American fighters, as opposed to the official speed. Yes, he's very honest, and not given to grandiose tendencies.

But the worst part of the material for NORAD, is how ALL of their best equipment for detecting things like this JUST HAPPENED TO BE TURNED OFF ON 9-11!

As a former resident of the DC area, I find it amazing the SAMs didn't go off (don't be believing that idiotic story about protecting our nation's capitol with Stinger Missiles from the rooftops. Unless you're daft of course).

What really happened? Don't ask me. I have no answers. Just interesting information.

Take care
Tim
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Post by icepick on Oct 27th, 2010, 2:59pm

timetraveler;

Your points well taken and duly noted, except you totally fail in a couple of key points about procedure in American Government. A state of emergency/war only gives the POTUS free reign for 90 days. It's called the War Powers Act. Remember that one?

Now there is a little known provision under the Economic Emergency Act which would accomplish far more than all of this. So long as the president could get the military to go along, he would be dictator. But I have a hunch that unless the reason was good, the military would split and civil war would ensue.

Now. I too have deep concerns about current events. All the way back to 1978 actually. But they involve Iran, Islam, Israel, North Korea, and China. Not bin Laden.

I firmly believe that there is a nasty war coming. If America were to resolve to remain strong, I doubt it would happen as these factions usually only strike when the opposing side is weak. But the liberal side of the fence has been striving mightily to disarm America for a very long time. We are but a shadow of where we should be.

It's a sad state of affairs that humanity still has to rely on some nation to play the part of global cop. We should be so far beyond this by now ............... unfortunately, the UN is still but a concept. Often used to manipulate far more than seek peace.

This time when I say take care, I mean it in spades and then some.
Tim
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Post by HAL9000 on Oct 27th, 2010, 4:04pm

Icepick.

....It's a sad state of affairs that humanity still has to rely on some nation to play the part of global cop. We should be so far beyond this by now...

But the US isn't playing global cop.
Let's take Iraq. The pretexts were WMD and regime change to free the Iraqi people from an oppressive dictator.

Firstly there were no MWD. Virtually everybody knew this at the time, but Blix was pulled out before he had absolute proof. Why let facts get in the way of a good invasion.
Secondly. if you want to get rid of a dictator you use a small band of special forces people, you don't attack the country, wreck its infrastructure, flood it with your own currency and create civil war situation between the existing religious parties.

Unless. of course, you have some other motive for being there.

As for the cop aspect. why is Afganistan allowed to carry on growing poppies when the place is crawling with coalition soldiers ? why not just spray the lot and stop one of the worlds main sources of narcotics ?

Surely a good cop would see that.
Unless he was on the take.

HAL
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Post by icepick on Oct 27th, 2010, 5:48pm

Points well taken HAL9000. Much of what America is currently doing seems to make little sense.

But first allow me to point out that America never entered into this one as a global cop. A nasty attack had happened on American soil, remember? Nobody on the planet didn't think there wouldn't be a response. The Iraq bit got caught up in the middle of this, and I believe it would have happened anyway. I will explain.

I find it interesting that you mentioned the WMDs. There is some shenanigans there, but I don't think in the way you are seeing it. Ever been in the military? If you have, then you know that the troops were indeed looking for something. And they didn't stop looking after it was admitted that the WMDs probably didn't exist(actually, Saddam admitted to playing along with that scenario because he feared Iran). But whether or not the masquerade was being played does not matter, because I firmly believe what we sought was not WMDs.

After I say that, do I know what we were looking for? No. I do believe we found it though. Somewhere underground, where we were obviously looking.

Do I think the search justified anything? I don't know. If I knew what it was we were after, I might be able to address that.

But we were looking for something. And like I said, we probably found it. It's easy to figure when too. Remember when everything shifted from let's prepare the Iraqis to let's get the heck out? Right before that. Somewhere in 2007 I think. Before you say anything, let me say I've taken heat for this theory before. But something just tells me it's correct, strong enough that I can't let it go. And no, this isn't to justify anything, but to set the record to what I believe is correct. Remember, if this was a clear cut, understandable reason, don't you think it would have been brought out in the open? No, I think this was something that needed hid at all costs. Whether it would have incriminated the government, or whether it would have terrified the public, or otherwise, are things I don't know. I think I stated I'm disturbed by current events. This, or the secrecy surrounding it, is definitely among the disturbing events.

Afghanistan? America is no longer in control of that one. And it became a sham the minute Pakistan refused access to their province where bin Laden allegedly (if he does) resides, then refused to enter that area themselves. Something fishy there. And there is also something that's been making world powers nervous there too. The (unknown) status of Pakistan's 30 some odd nukes. Sad. I thought we had turned the corner on those things when Reagan & Gorbachev initiated START.

I'm going to drop this right here because I have a feeling we probably don't see eye to eye on the subject. And I also know that things are way, way more involved than either you or I realize. Who is right and who is wrong we will probably never know. All we can really do is step back and pray that the people who are supposed to know what they are doing really do.

BTW: if you will look at this from a perspective other than America screwed up? You will notice that there are historical equivalents to today ................ unfortunately they are not good. And I'm not trying to be contrary here. This all fits too neatly into a scenario that's been bothering me a long, long time. One I would like to deliver a warning about. But what warning? Beyond the obvious, I don't know. Yet.

Take care
Tim
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Post by icepick on Oct 27th, 2010, 5:51pm

Before long people will know me as being nothing but somber on these subjects. That's unfortunate, I'm really not like that. Usually. Just about this. I wish everybody would just get along.
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Post by HAL9000 on Oct 28th, 2010, 08:19am

Icepick,

...I wish everybody would just get along....


You and me both. smiley

Were probably not as far apart as you think. But I'll respect your wish not to pursue the issue. After all, it is a ufo site, not a general government policy conspiracy rant.

If you would ever like to expand on your theory off what they were looking for then I would be interested to hear it.

HAl

P.s. Yes, I have been in the military; seven years of it. cool
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Post by DARKTRUTH on Feb 10th, 2011, 08:12am

Here is some food for thought since America is in the Process of becoming a Banana Republic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtQRYEDhS0Y
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Post by cerebcat on Sep 1st, 2011, 5:17pm

Not sure if this has been posted in other threads

There is an international 9/11 hearing taking place next week in Toronto, Canada and there will be live coverage.

http://torontohearings.org/
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Post by freakshow on Jun 29th, 2012, 1:16pm

If your interested, you should listen to Cause of Death by Immortal Technique. It is NOT safe for little kids, but its about the 9/11 conspiracy and it raises some good points.
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Post by PowerKnight on Jun 29th, 2012, 1:37pm

Do the 9/11 conspiracy theorist`s here imply that the whole 9/11 event was an absolute conspiracy including the other events that unfolded on that day?
Or possibly just the actual twin tower collapse etc, ie the controlled demolition theory? Do you all really believe the whole events were all inter-linked in one conspiracy, PowerKnight wink
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Post by freakshow on Jun 29th, 2012, 3:56pm

I believe that all 4 planes were an inside job, and that the government lied when they said they killed Osama.
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Post by PowerKnight on Jun 30th, 2012, 5:10pm

An inside job to what insight exactly, could you explain a little further, Bin Laden is dead it took them ten years but his corpse is now lying at the bottom of the ocean somewhere, don`t ask me where!
The key chief operative of the whole 9/11 events, Pakistan military knew where he was all along, inside moles, that`s why the US had to work this one on their own, they knew once they had him in their sights they couldn`t risk the hit being blown, PowerKnight wink
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Post by Viperone on Jul 4th, 2012, 02:47am

How can this be a conspirecy jet fuel burns at 2000 degrees much hotter than needed to melt steel. Estimated weight of 43 floors 144,000 tons compressed the floors below iniatial fall was five floor drop the damaged floors. It was 2 aircraft with engines and landing gear in the street on buildings.
Ive heard explosives set for semo-charges lets see about that about 17000 pounds of explosives it would take all 101 floors have to have concrete bored from support columes 600 major columes. Every floor needs support columes exposed to steel. All this done on the most secure Hi rise building on earth since 1991 bombing. How can that be done from the inside job without being seen on any camera in the building before 9/11.
I find this insulting to the people that lost loved ones in this tragedy and the aircraft.
You only hear one side and refuse to hear the other side that makes it highy infesible to have happened by missle on a aircraft, one problem with that how did the highjacker get enough building destroying explosives on board an aircraft when videos show most had no carry on baggage. How did they know thwey could get away with the highjacking and have time to rig the plane when they didnt leave the cockpit.

Please dont bother something thats been proven many times.
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Post by Viperone on Jul 4th, 2012, 02:52am

on Jun 29th, 2012, 3:56pm, freakshow (USA) wrote:
I believe that all 4 planes were an inside job, and that the government lied when they said they killed Osama.


All the planes were from outlaying commuter and conecting flights no way that could happen. They might have help on one or two but not 4. The security pre 9/11 was rather lax not like it is now. This was planed for 10 years to pull it off amazing. And remeber they are from low volume areas.
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Post by ZETAR on Jul 4th, 2012, 04:16am

VIPERONE,

YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH ON THIS TOPIC AS THERE IS MUCH MORE TO IT THAN WHAT MEETS YOUR POST...FIRST OFF...CHECK THE BURN TEMP OF JET FUEL AS WELL AS THE KINDLING TEMP OF STEEL...MOREOVER...STEEL WHICH HAVE BEEN COATED WITH FIRE RETARDANT...
IN A TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL PHOTOGRAPHIC ACCOUNT IN BUILDING SEVEN WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SECURE COMPOUND FOR SUCH EVENTS WHEREIN THE MAYOR SHOULD'VE BEEN RUSHED TO...THIS BUILDING CAME DOWN IN THE EXACT SAME FASHION AS ANY BUILDING UNDER A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
ONE ADDITIONAL FACT WHICH WAS CONFIRMED BY THIS PHOTOGRAPHER WHOM WAS CONTRACTED TO DOCUMENT/PHOTOGRAPH BUILDING SEVEN...IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE TOP SECRET VAULT WHICH WAS USED BY SEVERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES IN PARTICULAR THE CIA...WHICH WAS UNDERSTOOD.TO CONTAIN VAST SUMS OF MONEY ALONG WITH COUNTLESS SECURE DOCUMENTS...THIS VAULT WAS PHOTOGRAPHED JUST AFTER THE BUILDING COLLAPSE WITH THE VAULT WIDE OPEN AND COMPLETELY EMPTY...ANYONE CARE TO ENTERTAIN HOW SUCH COULD'VE COME ABOUT...
WHAT CAUSED THIS BUILDING TO GONE DOWN....THERE WAS NO IMPACT..
SOME ALLUDE TO DAMAGE FROM DEBRIS FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH TOWER...VIDEOS SHOW NOMINAL DEBRIS IMPACT THUS SUCH CONCLUSION TO BE A REACH...
WELL...TO THOSE WHOM REMAIN COMFORTABLE ON THE COUCH,T.V. CONTROL IN HAND AND BOUNCE TO THE KITCHEN ON EACH FOOD COMMERCIAL...YOUR COMFORT ZONE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED...BUT TO THOSE WHOSE ...WHO,WHAT,WHERE,WHEN,AND HOW CONTINUE TO HAVE QUESTIONS...YOU WOULD DO YOURSELF SERVICE BY MAINTAINING AN OPEN MIND AS THERE IS MUCH TO COME OUT IN THE FUTURE...

SHALOM...ZETAR

EDIT TO ADD:
BUILDING SEVEN IS HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE...


THE PENTAGON...HOW CAN ONE OF THE MOST SECURE BUILDINGS IN THE WORLD PROVIDE ONLY ONE FRAME OF VIDEOTAPE TO ASSURE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A PLANE IMPACTED...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DOZENS UPON DOZENS OF OTHER CAMERAS WHICH SHOULD'VE BEEN OPERATIONAL...MUCH LESS ANY NUMBER OF CIVILIAN CAMERAS...
THIS PLANE IF IMPACTED ACCORDING TO THE VIDEO...LEVEL AT SAY 15-25 AGL...ABOVE GROUND LEVEL...IT SHOULD'VE PLOWED A PATH OF DESTRUCTION ON FINAL APPROACH SUCKING UP CARS AND POLES WHILE ENROUTE TO FINAL IMPACT.
FURTHERMORE...ONE OF THE FIRST WITNESSES WHOM CRAWLED FROM UNDER HER DESK DID NOT SEE THE HULL OR SHELL OF A PLANE

THIS FRACTIONAL EVIDENCE CONCERNING THIS/THOSE INCIDENTS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM FRACTIONAL EVIDENCE USED WITH UFOS...I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE IN COURT CONVICTED WITH EQUAL OR LESS EVIDENCE...
WELL...SHALOM AGAIN...ZETAR
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Post by purr on Jul 4th, 2012, 05:00am

on Jul 4th, 2012, 04:16am, ZETAR wrote:
VIPERONE,

YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH ON THIS TOPIC AS THERE IS MUCH MORE TO IT THAN WHAT MEETS YOUR POST...FIRST OFF...CHECK THE BURN TEMP OF JET FUEL AS WELL AS THE KINDLING TEMP OF STEEL...MOREOVER...STEEL WHICH HAVE BEEN COATED WITH FIRE RETARDANT...
IN A TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL PHOTOGRAPHIC ACCOUNT IN BUILDING SEVEN WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SECURE COMPOUND FOR SUCH EVENTS WHEREIN THE MAYOR SHOULD'VE BEEN RUSHED TO...THIS BUILDING CAME DOWN IN THE EXACT SAME FASHION AS ANY BUILDING UNDER A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
ONE ADDITIONAL FACT WHICH WAS CONFIRMED BY THIS PHOTOGRAPHER WHOM WAS CONTRACTED TO DOCUMENT/PHOTOGRAPH BUILDING SEVEN...IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE TOP SECRET VAULT WHICH WAS USED BY SEVERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES IN PARTICULAR THE CIA...WHICH WAS UNDERSTOOD.TO CONTAIN VAST SUMS OF MONEY ALONG WITH COUNTLESS SECURE DOCUMENTS...THIS VAULT WAS PHOTOGRAPHED JUST AFTER THE BUILDING COLLAPSE WITH THE VAULT WIDE OPEN AND COMPLETELY EMPTY...ANYONE CARE TO ENTERTAIN HOW SUCH COULD'VE COME ABOUT...
WHAT CAUSED THIS BUILDING TO GONE DOWN....THERE WAS NO IMPACT..
SOME ALLUDE TO DAMAGE FROM DEBRIS FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH TOWER...VIDEOS SHOW NOMINAL DEBRIS IMPACT THUS SUCH CONCLUSION TO BE A REACH...
WELL...TO THOSE WHOM REMAIN COMFORTABLE ON THE COUCH,T.V. CONTROL IN HAND AND BOUNCE TO THE KITCHEN ON EACH FOOD COMMERCIAL...YOUR COMFORT ZONE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED...BUT TO THOSE WHOSE ...WHO,WHAT,WHERE,WHEN,AND HOW CONTINUE TO HAVE QUESTIONS...YOU WOULD DO YOURSELF SERVICE BY MAINTAINING AN OPEN MIND AS THERE IS MUCH TO COME OUT IN THE FUTURE...

SHALOM...ZETAR

EDIT TO ADD:
BUILDING SEVEN IS HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE...


THE PENTAGON...HOW CAN ONE OF THE MOST SECURE BUILDINGS IN THE WORLD PROVIDE ONLY ONE FRAME OF VIDEOTAPE TO ASSURE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A PLANE IMPACTED...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DOZENS UPON DOZENS OF OTHER CAMERAS WHICH SHOULD'VE BEEN OPERATIONAL...MUCH LESS ANY NUMBER OF CIVILIAN CAMERAS...
THIS PLANE IF IMPACTED ACCORDING TO THE VIDEO...LEVEL AT SAY 15-25 AGL...ABOVE GROUND LEVEL...IT SHOULD'VE PLOWED A PATH OF DESTRUCTION ON FINAL APPROACH SUCKING UP CARS AND POLES WHILE ENROUTE TO FINAL IMPACT.
FURTHERMORE...ONE OF THE FIRST WITNESSES WHOM CRAWLED FROM UNDER HER DESK DID NOT SEE THE HULL OR SHELL OF A PLANE

THIS FRACTIONAL EVIDENCE CONCERNING THIS/THOSE INCIDENTS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM FRACTIONAL EVIDENCE USED WITH UFOS...I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE IN COURT CONVICTED WITH EQUAL OR LESS EVIDENCE...
WELL...SHALOM AGAIN...ZETAR


I agree ZETAR, building seven is the (literally) smoking gun here. As Viperone says, the explanation of superheated kerosine fires at the very least makes it POSSIBLE WTC 1 and 2 structurally failed. And since no plane has impacted Seven, its structural, controlled demolition-like, pancaking collapse, is left without scientific explanation. Not even in the official report, which only arrives at a high probability a vital column failed, with the added caveats that some facts do NOT support this conclusion, and some facts were WITHHELD.

The ninja's of old called this 'hiding in plain sight'.

I suspect the US gov carried out a mission on almost unimaginable scale, involving the destruction of three WTC buildings, with the whole world watching, yet no one knew what they saw.


purr
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Post by PowerKnight on Jul 4th, 2012, 1:25pm

ZETAR and purr have their opinions which reflects this whole belief in what they think is a mass 9/11 conspiracy, that`s fine such is the diverse here, PowerKnight wink
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Post by freakshow on Jul 4th, 2012, 2:02pm

im not listening to one side of the story.... its just that one side is more convincing. Osama Bin Laden had a kidney disease. He was on dialysis, and it would have been a medical miracle for him to survive to 2011. And the US government gave millions to Al Quada and the taliban. Theres also reasons for them to bomb these locations, like bombing the pentagon gave them a newer, more advanced building with no questions from the UN. Bombing two buildings full of people gave them a reason for war, increasing the defense budget. You could have one take out the president, but have a suicidal man crash the plane too soon and blame it on heroic passengers, adding more believability. And these are just scratching the surface. I don't know exactly why they did it, but I'm almost certain it was done by America.
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Post by ZETAR on Jul 4th, 2012, 2:40pm

HEY PK,

YOU MAKE AN EXCELLENT POINT.

I MUST ADD TO YOUR OBSERVATION...I TOO TOOK SAID INCIDENT (9/11) AT FACE VALUE.
I'VE BEEN TRAINED AS A PRIVATE PILOT WHICH HELPED MY UNDERSTANDING/QUESTION CERTAIN ASPECTS OF SAID INCIDENT.
WHEN PILOT AFTER PILOT ALONG WITH ENGINEER AFTER ENGINEER TEMPERED WITH DEMOLITION EXPERTS TESTIMONY LED ME TO INITIATE MY OWN RESEARCH WHICH SLOWLY REVEALED TO ME AN OPTIONAL EXPLANATION AS TO WHAT MAY HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
I PREFACE ALL SITUATIONS WITH ONE BASIC TENENT...WHO OR WHOM HAD THE MOST TO GAIN AND WHY...(MOTIVE).
MOREOVER,IT'S CRITICAL TO FOLLOW THE MONEY AS IT THE GREASE FOR THE COGS AND OFTEN MOTIVATION IN ADDITION TO THE OLDEST MOTIVE OF ALL...(POWER/CONTROL)
THERE ARE MANY SUCH NAMES/PEOPLE WHOM I SHAN'T MENTION AS ONE SHOULD COME ACROSS IF THEY DO THEIR INDEPENDENT RESEARCH.
MY POINT AND OBSERVATION IS THAT THERE IS CLEARLY MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE...AND THERE WILL BE THOSE WHOM ADOPT AN OSTRICH MENTALITY BY BURYING THEIR HEAD IN THE SAND ...THOSE PEOPLE FALL INTO THE GROUP WHOM BELIEVED ONES WHOM PLACED THEM AT RADIATION TEST SITES POPPING OFF MUSHROOM MUNITIONS...INJECTED PATIENTS WITH RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL FOR LAB STATISTICS...INJECTED THOSE AT TUSKEGEE INSTITUTE WITH SYPHILIS...FURTHERMORE MANIPULATED THE DOCTORS TO LIE TO PATIENTS FOR YEARS FOR DATA...THAT THERE WAS NO I'LL INTENT NOR COMPLICITY.
I'M NOT SAYING OUR GOVERNMENT DID 9/11...MAY HAVE BEEN COMPLICIT...BUT IT TOOK MORE THAN 19 TO EXECUTE FOR THE RESULTS OBTAINED ALONG WITH THE POLITICAL/PSYCHOLOGICAL/ECONOMIC OUTCOME FELT THROUGH TODAY AND BEYOND...

SHALOM...ZETAR
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Post by icepick on Jul 4th, 2012, 4:28pm

on Oct 28th, 2010, 08:19am, HAL9000 wrote:
Icepick,

...I wish everybody would just get along....


You and me both. smiley

Were probably not as far apart as you think. But I'll respect your wish not to pursue the issue. After all, it is a ufo site, not a general government policy conspiracy rant.

If you would ever like to expand on your theory off what they were looking for then I would be interested to hear it.

HAl

P.s. Yes, I have been in the military; seven years of it. cool



A long time down the road to reply Hal. I know. I just wanted to point out how much things have changed during this time. America now seems callous under current leadership, and many even think that the current administration would like to see a war start because it would mean a great boost to his waning poll status. As proof they point to the fact that our drones are now flying the unfriendly skies of several central and northern African Nations. Complete with Hellfire Missiles.

Our president succeeded in getting Iran so stirred up that we now have to keep three carrier task forces on patrol in and near the Gulf Region.

National security secrets keep landing in the press, and the administration is the best suspect.

Our attorney general is in contempt of congress whether they decide that way or not.

All is no longer well with America. I never thought I would say this, but I'm starting to yearn for the good old days of Bubba and Dubya. Yeesh!

Tim
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Post by icepick on Jul 4th, 2012, 4:36pm

Zetar, I highly doubt our government was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. But there was obviously a security issue which I see as obvious. The attacks took place on the only day ever where NORAD computers had been reset for a special exercise which only searched outside our borders. If that's a coincidence, it's a grandpappy. I'm thinking inside information did exist.


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Post by ZETAR on Jul 4th, 2012, 5:23pm

ICEPICK,

YOU KNOW I RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND MY POST DIDN'T SAY OUR GOVERNMENT PULLED THIS OFF.
I LIKENED WHAT HAPPENED BACK TO PEARL HARBOR.
POLITICALLY CONGRESS WAS NOT GOING TO DECLARE WAR AS THE PRESIDENT SO DESIRED...MANY SCHOLARS BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAD VAST INTELLIGENCE THAT AN ATTACK WAS IMMINENT AND MERELY LET THIS HAPPEN SO CONGRESS WAS NOT AN IMPEDIMENT TO GO TO WAR...BY ALLOWING AN ATTACK CONGRESS.WAS IMMEDIATELY BYPASSED.
PRIOR TO THE 9/11 INCIDENT...DOES ANYONE THINK THE PATRIOT ACT HAD A CHANCE OF PASSING CONGRESS THUS ESSENTIALLY HAVING A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION AND STRIKING A NUMBER OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS...WITH THAT ONE INCIDENT...LEGISLATION FLEW THROUGH BOTH HOUSES AS ALL SALUTED AS OUR RIGHTS WERE STRIPPED AWAY.
WHY WOULD CHENY WAIT TO GIVE ORDERS TO BRING THOSE.PLANES DOWN WHEN HE HAD PLENY OF ADVANCED NOTICE...WOULD LIVES HAD BEEN SAVED?
MOREOVER,WHY WERE SAID PLANES SENT OUT TO SEA WHEN THE MILITARY AND FAA HAD CONFIRMED CONTACT LANDSIDE...

WHEN ONE ACTUALLY LOOKS AT ITEM AFTER ITEM...A DIFFERENT PICTURE EMERGES FROM THAT WHICH WAS PAINTED BY THE 9/11 COMMISSION...
I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ONE TO GIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT...BUT IN THIS CASE IT APPEARS THE DOUBT LED TO VAST BENEFITS TO SOMEONE...THAT LIST IS LONG!!!

SHALOM...ZETAR

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Post by LoneGunMan on Jul 4th, 2012, 7:33pm

on Jul 4th, 2012, 4:36pm, icepick wrote:
Zetar, I highly doubt our government was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. But there was obviously a security issue which I see as obvious. The attacks took place on the only day ever where NORAD computers had been reset for a special exercise which only searched outside our borders. If that's a coincidence, it's a grandpappy. I'm thinking inside information did exist.



Tim

Norad had suffered from the Jamie Gorlick memo about stopping the sharing of information between government agencies. This move was ostensibly to stop in-fighting and turf wars within the differing bureaus! It was a foolish idea and caused many of the problems before 911!

I believe because it was the end of the Clinton Administration and the problems of her edict, plus the way the Clinton's and their minions refused to cooperate with the incoming Bush crew, NORAD dropped the ball. Was it coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not!

Just a thought!
Lone
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Post by icepick on Jul 4th, 2012, 9:08pm

Zetar, everyone is entitled to their opinion naturally. I won't push too hard on 9/11 because there is one very suspicious item involved. SAM sites which are well hidden in the DC area that did not go off. And afterwards the CIA claimed that they don't exist. I know for a fact they were there in 1972, and it would make little sense to remove them.

Of course the government never does anything that does not make sense, does it? grin

But Pearl Harbor is another matter entirely. People try to paint a government in the know very hard, and we had broken their code, but Yamamoto's fleet was under strict radio silence, and their plan was never mentioned outside the Emperor's Palace. On top of that, only a select few fleet officers knew the target.

That said, we did know we were going to get hit, we just didn't know when and where. We had cut off their oil supply, so they had to make a move somewhere. But the logical choice was Corregidor because the oil they needed was on the Malay Peninsula. Nobody even dreamed they would hit Pearl, Wake, the Philipines, Malaysia, Burma, and New Britain in one sweeping offensive like that. Especially when they were so busy in China. Yamamoto himself expected the offensive to take the better part of six months.

Pearl Harbor was a case of leaving our pants down, nothing more. MacArthur was prepared at that time on Luzon, but it was the only place on alert. After Pearl Luzon became sacrificial because we lacked the support ships to resupply. If you will recall, the Atlantic Fleet was already busy. As bad as some people want it to be true, Pearl Harbor was not entangled in conspiracy. The Japanese shocked the entire world with their target selection.

9/11, I can't say with that degree of certainty. I tend to doubt the attack was ours. On the other hand the official story stinks something fierce. It has always been my opinion that whoever was behind the attacks had a mole in our military giving them information. But I could be wrong. However, if you stop to think about it carefully, it might not make as much sense as you think. There are a lot of Muslims in our military, every one of which could have potentially set the blindsiding up on their own. This was not that big a deal. I'm willing to be open minded about 9/11, but I think the guilt takes a different path than anybody suspects. No, I don't really think bin Laden was behind it. Terrorists always rush to claim responsibility, and he never said squat. In my opinion you need to look for a better motive than passing the Patriot Act though. They've had something far nastier in the wings since the Nixon Administration which could legally be invoked right now. It's called the Economic Emergency Act. If ever you need a laxative real bad, read the deep inner workings of that monster. It will clean you out real good. We're going to have a very bad day if that thing is ever invoked.

So who had an interest to see us at war? I can think of quite a few folks. Iran, China, North Korea, even a couple of Eastern European nations. It may even have been revenge of the Serbs. Ever think of that?

As far as there being a major problem with the official story, well, you will never get an argument out of me about that.

But I will tell you one thing. If they planned to subdue us like you say, they miscalculated. Out here in the west civil war is a definite possibility due to these three lame administrations in a row. Times are extremely bad here, people are ticked, one almost feels the lit matches in the powder magazine. If this was their plan, they failed to see this. You know nobody wants to see civil war anywhere. Civil wars are nasty, bloody affairs.

Our local unemployment is back at 19% again. Bad enough for you?

Tim
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Post by ZETAR on Jul 4th, 2012, 9:36pm

AS I SAID ...THE PATRIOT ACT WAS ONE OF NUMEROUS PIECES...KEEP IN MIND THE DAY BEFORE RUMSFELD WAS IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHERE TWO TRILLION DOLLARS WENT...IS IT COINCIDENCE THAT WHERE THE PENTAGON WAS HIT WAS WHERE ALL DOCUMENTS AS WELL AS ACCOUNTANTS WHOM KNEW WHERE THIS MONEY WENT...WAS DEVASTATED...
IT IS SO MANY PIECES THAT AT SOME POINT...COINCIDENCE GOES OUT THE WINDOW...BUT HEY...THIS IS ONE WHEREIN WE MAY AGREE TO DISAGREE...WHICH IS FINE FOR ME...

LIKE THE UFO PHENOMENA...IT'S HARD TO DISMISS THE EXISTENCE OF UFO'S WITH SO MUCH FRACTIONAL EVIDENCE...BUT MANY DO...OFTEN TO THEIR CHAGRIN...

SHALOM...ZETAR
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Post by purr on Jul 4th, 2012, 9:55pm

on Jul 4th, 2012, 1:25pm, PowerKnight wrote:
ZETAR and purr have their opinions which reflects this whole belief in what they think is a mass 9/11 conspiracy, that`s fine such is the diverse here, PowerKnight wink


I appreciate your civil treatment of this deeply contentious subject, PowerKnight. Of course I don't presume to speak for ZETAR, I do not know how he developed his insights, but here's the path I took.

I watched the 9/11 attacks on Dutch TV, zapping a lot to CNN, believed the media's reporting, and immediately recognized it as a major military win for Al Qaeda. America is a friendly nation to us, so I was totally with entering Afghanistan. But the Iraq thing immediately seemed off, a pack of blatant lies by Bush and Blair, driven somehow to invade Iraq at any cost, from a hidden motivation (utterly devoid of true WMD concerns!). An action so bizarre, it left me wondering ever since.

Years after that I learnt of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists, thought them most probably a bunch of flakes, I even debunked adherents; yet as an exercise in open-mindedness I did create a model bringing the facts and conspiracy theories together.

The information which most strongly swayed me toward a US shadowgovernment executed mission to explain the sequence of events, and the evidence gathered, was the official report on the collapse of building 7.

Interestingly, I have found hardly a soul, very few among the "truthseeking" public, who has read that entire report. Could be because of its technical nature, distrust in anything official, or simply because of big text.

Anyhow, I read and took time considering its finding, and shockingly it fails to establish the scientific cause of 7's collapse. Investigators did a great job, honest too. But they had no (=extremely limited) access to the impacted debris, and steel beams at Ground Zero. So no real forensics. The report openly excludes some facts from publication, in particular anything leading to apportioning blame, proving crime. The final determination of the cause of WTC 7's fall is curiously framed as safety advise for designing and building, and the MOST PROBABLE cause (using limited data), instead of the proven one.

Conclusions mainly rest on a computer simulation of that building's fires and gradual degradation, leading to total collapse. But some fires entered as data were not measured. Effects of a functional (cooling) sprinkler system are not accounted for. Fire seals between floors (which should halt fire from spreading) are not accounted for. Sounds of explosions are not fully dealt with, nor the appearance of fires dying down, nor the impossible 6-second freefall of Building 7 at the point of total collapse.

If you ignore the analytical gymnastics of the authors, what it says is that the cause of 7's fall is unknown. Unprecedented. Maybe even not possible.

My logic, if 7 could not fall, securely held up by steel beams, it WAS TAKEN DOWN. Then if buillding 7 had been rigged well in advance for demolition, it follows: so have the twin towers. The demolition was designed to simulate the impact of three jetliners on three buildings, however the terrorists only managed to hijack two. Bummer, and a major headache for the planners of this spectacular event. Imho building 7 is the smoking gun.


purr
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Post by icepick on Jul 4th, 2012, 10:19pm

Don't worry Zetar. I doubt we're as far apart as you might think. Look at the final part of my post. We have bigger worries headed our way now. Far bigger. I don't know what region you live in, so I'm forced to ask how bad things are where you're at. This nation is fixing to come apart at the seams in a major way if something doesn't change. 9/11 is old news these days. We have something called the complete trashing of the nation taking place. It's time to move on and plan ahead.

Could you pass the ammo please? grin

Tim
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Post by murnut on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:16pm

911 was definitely a false flag.

The Patriot Act was ready to go.

Look where the money went.

Look at what's happened since.

Endless wars, global depression

The big got bigger.

The US changed into a fascist regime.

Sure...it been that way a long time.

But it's right out in the open now and a whole lot more realize what's going on now.....and who are calling the shots.

It's not the Potus or either Party.

Quote:
There is a Real Power Elite

My simplistic view is the entire Western economy has been screwed by a power elite, mostly a group of ancient families of immeasurable wealth and power using their control of the central banking cartel, corporate oligarchs and international banking elites to plunder the wealth and prosperity from this and past generations.

The Internet Reformation is making it possible for individuals to now, for the first time in recorded history, discover the real world of the present and the past and come to recognize how we are more manipulated through directed history, memes, elite propaganda and manufactured public opinion than anyone dared realize before the birth of the Internet.

The power elite wants to continue to rule and maintain business as usual. They have developed structures, organizations and institutions to maintain and continue to expand their control over the entire world as regions outside the West develop, standards of living rise and there is simply more wealth to plunder. The knowledge, information available on the Internet and instant communications are making their job more difficult and this threatens the future of their mafia/parasitic like existence.

Thus, here today in the second decade of the 21st century, the battle lines are drawn between free thinkers desiring to live free and prosper and those who rule over and manipulate the world around us. This will be a battle to the death of ideas, liberty and the free market versus old style controls and ultimately force because the truth of our existence is now available to all who desire to understand war, politics, finance and central banking.
.http://www.thedailybell.com/4048/Ron-Holland-Introducing-The-Internet-Reformation-Society-IRS


I would add that 911 was implemented because the elite desired more control....and the fear based propaganda from the powerful images of that day.....easily allowed draconian measures to become reality...in fact most supported it.

I did at the time.

But then I funny thing happened to me.

I worked in an industry that imploded. Still do in fact.

That reality of what happened is far different than what most think.

I educated myself to what actually happen and I've discovered that the world isn't what I thought it was.

It's far darker than I could have possibly imagined.

The amount of corruption is staggering.

It still continues to the day.....Liborgate.

It's a huge fraud....one of the biggest.....and yet most just don't seem to care....or even realize what I'm talking about.

So 911 was a huge success for the elites.

Expect more fear based memes.

Expect more secret deals.

Expect more war.

Expect bailouts and corporate welfare

Expect another large event
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Post by icepick on Jul 5th, 2012, 06:35am

I disagree with part of what you said. But in the event I turn out to be wrong and you right, heed what I said about civil war. People are ready here. And who knows what the split in the military will be.

If you live in a city, have a route to get out. Before it hits the fan.

Buy a black market gun (untraceable) and start hoarding ammo.

Camping equipment. Hows your survival skills?

It really doesn't matter who did 9/11 anyway. Out here it looks like that war might happen no matter what. Everybody knows the government has lied about things for ages. But Obama is taking it to an entirely new level. Three dud presidents in a row has taken its toll. People are flat out mad here.

Tim
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Post by murnut on Jul 5th, 2012, 06:44am

Not mad enough yet
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Post by HAL9000 on Jul 5th, 2012, 07:49am

Purr,

Yes, building 7 is definitely the smoking gun.

It can be summed up in one very simple question.

Why wasn't the fire in building seven extinguished right at the beginning ?

After all, it was hardly a fire of any consequence.

There seems to be no logical reason for not just going in and putting it out before it grew.

HAL
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Post by icepick on Jul 5th, 2012, 08:07am

on Jul 5th, 2012, 06:44am, murnut wrote:
Not mad enough yet


If this turns out to be the case, you'd best get mad ...... or get out of the way. There are plenty of people who are which do not believe in a 9/11 conspiracy. They are angry over matters closer to home.

I might point out that you need to pick that escape route with care as well. In many areas the army will be coming out of those hills in a case such as this. And buy a bow for hunting food. The gun would be an emergency protection measure for you and your family. My personal recommendation there would be a 30.06. Close to the same power and range as a 300 Magnum. But the ammunition is cheap and readily available. It makes an excellent sniper's weapon which is important. The only time you would want to fire a gun under these circumstances would be an extreme emergency with dire consequences. Otherwise it would attract too much attention.

It might seem crazy to plan like this, but with things taking the direction they are, better safe than sorry is the only sound policy. Unless you would want to fight on the lines, I would highly recommend finding one's way to parts unknown if things start falling apart. Ever been around a civil war? I have. They're the worst type of war. Everybody is fair game. Ask Lone. I believe he has seen this type as well. Very nasty activities there.

Tim
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Post by jjflash on Jul 5th, 2012, 10:12am

on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:16pm, murnut wrote:
I educated myself to what actually happen and I've discovered that the world isn't what I thought it was.


Such education requires more courage and stamina than most people are able to drum up. The unfortunate truth of the matter is that a person is simply unqualified to evaluate and understand what takes place within circumstances such as 911 - and many matters within ufology, as well - if they are unwilling to educate themselves about matters surrounding military intelligence.

People naturally wade into UFO Land due to their interests in science fiction, UFO sightings, reports of entities and so on. They are understandably not initially interested in subjects such as the Central Intelligence Agency, exotic military aircraft and psychology.

However, the discriminating and self-honest observer becomes aware such subject matter is inseparable from tales of triangle craft, missing time/short term amnesia and witness accounts that are fully indicative of having sustained extreme emotional trauma. To leave the CIA and psych/traumata out of assessments of reports of UFO sightings and alien abduction is comparable to omitting the influence of the Catholic Church from a study of the 17th century witch trials.

For starters, a person must be willing to accept they need to study a variety of subject matter of which they had no previous interest, or at least this is the case if they expect to be able to competently understand and discuss the topics that arise. The biggest challenge, of course, is that such education takes all the fun out of a good tale of alien raping and pillaging (or the threat of inherently evil [insert ethnic slur here] carrying out acts of terror). Combine that with the fact most people would prefer to not be aware of the extent of human rights abuses that are standard methods of operation among global intel agencies, and you definitely have a recipe for heads being stuck in the sand while propaganda abounds.

In my own research and resulting blogging on such issues, I have repeatedly found that when confronted with specific details that contradict preferred stories, people will resort to virtually any means possible to avoid addressing and accepting the contradictions. Hate mongering, personal attacks and outright lies are standard fare in the denial of the relevance of the global intel community in matters commonly of interest to those who follow ufology. People who claim to be on courageous missions to find the truth all too often and in reality simply do not want to know because they would have to re-evaluate their premature conclusions.
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by purr on Jul 5th, 2012, 11:46am

on Jul 5th, 2012, 07:49am, HAL9000 wrote:
Purr,

Yes, building 7 is definitely the smoking gun.

It can be summed up in one very simple question.

Why wasn't the fire in building seven extinguished right at the beginning ?

After all, it was hardly a fire of any consequence.

There seems to be no logical reason for not just going in and putting it out before it grew.

HAL


Good point, HAL, I hadn't thought of that. I'm aware that the building stood for seven hours after the drama of WTC 1 and 2 unfolded, which time was used to fully evacuate by I believe the 4th hour. The building then was seen to hold up for all of these 7 hours, right until the 6.5 seconds of 'freefall'-style "global collapse". Global is the NIST term for 'complete'/'entirely'.


purr
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Post by purr on Jul 5th, 2012, 12:15pm

on Jul 5th, 2012, 10:12am, jjflash wrote:
Such education requires more courage and stamina than most people are able to drum up. The unfortunate truth of the matter is that a person is simply unqualified to evaluate and understand what takes place within circumstances such as 911 - and many matters within ufology, as well - if they are unwilling to educate themselves about matters surrounding military intelligence.

People naturally wade into UFO Land due to their interests in science fiction, UFO sightings, reports of entities and so on. They are understandably not initially interested in subjects such as the Central Intelligence Agency, exotic military aircraft and psychology.

However, the discriminating and self-honest observer becomes aware such subject matter is inseparable from tales of triangle craft, missing time/short term amnesia and witness accounts that are fully indicative of having sustained extreme emotional trauma. To leave the CIA and psych/traumata out of assessments of reports of UFO sightings and alien abduction is comparable to omitting the influence of the Catholic Church from a study of the 17th century witch trials.

For starters, a person must be willing to accept they need to study a variety of subject matter of which they had no previous interest, or at least this is the case if they expect to be able to competently understand and discuss the topics that arise. The biggest challenge, of course, is that such education takes all the fun out of a good tale of alien raping and pillaging (or the threat of inherently evil [insert ethnic slur here] carrying out acts of terror). Combine that with the fact most people would prefer to not be aware of the extent of human rights abuses that are standard methods of operation among global intel agencies, and you definitely have a recipe for heads being stuck in the sand while propaganda abounds.

In my own research and resulting blogging on such issues, I have repeatedly found that when confronted with specific details that contradict preferred stories, people will resort to virtually any means possible to avoid addressing and accepting the contradictions. Hate mongering, personal attacks and outright lies are standard fare in the denial of the relevance of the global intel community in matters commonly of interest to those who follow ufology. People who claim to be on courageous missions to find the truth all too often and in reality simply do not want to know because they would have to re-evaluate their premature conclusions.


From your perspective, do you see the hand of the CIA, or other factions of US intelligence or the military in the 9/11 attacks, jjflash?


purr
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Post by icepick on Jul 5th, 2012, 3:00pm

on Jul 5th, 2012, 12:15pm, purr wrote:
From your perspective, do you see the hand of the CIA, or other factions of US intelligence or the military in the 9/11 attacks, jjflash?


purr


In a word Purr, no. But I do see an infiltrator or two. There was obviously a bit of inside information passed. I don't see the M.O. of Al Qaeda either in case you wonder. Look just east of Saudi for your best bet in my opinion. But that's the same type of hunch as everybody's conspiracy theories.

Who knows. It could have been Montgomery Ward. The entire thing is moot at this stage of the game anyway. Like I said, far more serious crises face America now.

Tim
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Post by jjflash on Jul 5th, 2012, 7:33pm

on Jul 5th, 2012, 12:15pm, purr wrote:
From your perspective, do you see the hand of the CIA, or other factions of US intelligence or the military in the 9/11 attacks, jjflash?


purr


I am not qualified to conclusively say one way or the other, purr, but, from my perspective, I would say there is virtually no possibility we have been given the full story. I would therefore say further research is justified into the possibility 911 was a false flag.

It is just not the nature of intel agencies to provide accurate and thorough information. To further complicate matters, it is the nature of intel agencies to manipulate public perception of such events as 911.

In my opinion, one of the biggest challenges in understanding intel operations is that people tend to over simplify them; we want to label agencies and nations as either good or bad. It's convenient to do so.

I am of the impression a more accurate perspective would include understanding such chains of events as culminated in 911 are very complex, particularly in assigning blame. I interpret this is because factions of various intel agencies may be involved to various extents, both with and without official authorization. 'Needs to know' come into play along with all kinds of other situations conducive to making it virtually impossible to fully account for what took place. Additional complexities include the standard method of operation of spinning such events to support the agenda of the Agency. It's a virtual perpetual motion machine of information-chaos and unaccountability.

I do not know what happened, but I am virtually certain the actual story is infinitely more complicated than the 'black and white' version fed to the public. In Hollywood the good guys and bad guys are easy to identify, but it is my understanding that, in reality, they are subject to trading roles from one event to the next and as dictated by situational ethics.
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by murnut on Jul 5th, 2012, 10:07pm







Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by murnut on Jul 5th, 2012, 10:21pm

Big questions remain



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We want truthful answers to questions such as:

Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?

Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not activated during the attack?

Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned about his safety or that of the schoolchildren?

Why hasn't a single person been fired, penalized, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witnessed that day?

Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of dollars of traceable gains?

Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Ashcroft and granted by a Bush-appointed judge?

How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40 minutes without being detected by the FAA's radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US military?

How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as well as to visit houses, restaurants, and flight schools they were known to frequent?

What happened to the over 20 documented warnings given our government by 14 foreign intelligence agencies or heads of state?

Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, considered the ringleader of the hijackers?

Why did the 911 Commission fail to address most of the questions posed by the families of the victims, in addition to almost all of the questions posed here?

Why was Philip Zelikow chosen to be the Executive Director of the ostensibly independent 911 Commission although he had co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice?
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http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by HAL9000 on Jul 6th, 2012, 05:19am

Purr,

...however the terrorists only managed to hijack two. Bummer, and a major headache for the planners of this spectacular event. Imho building 7 is the smoking gun.

Maybe the plane that didn't reach the city and went down in the field was intended for building 7 ?

I don't really go for the pre-set explosives explanation (seems too difficult to achieve unnoticed) but it would have left the problem of the explosives being found when the plane didn't arrive.

But it would tie it all together.

HAL
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Post by jjflash on Jul 6th, 2012, 11:35pm

Those are valid questions, murnut, and deserve valid answers - whether or not you'll ever get them. Cover-ups are sometimes not even necessary because apathy allows such things to go on in plain sight. For example, it's now been some 40 years after Congress probed and subsequently confirmed the exploitation of involuntary human research subjects in decades of state-sponsored mind control experiments.

Nonetheless, many people do not know about such covert experiments, and even fewer want to talk about them. If you think the subject of UFOs abruptly shuts down a conversation, try piping up about MKULTRA sometime at the coffee shop and see what happens.

The ultimate result is that in spite of efforts by legislators such as Dennis Kucinich and former astronaut John Glenn, no laws have ever been passed that even make such covert research projects illegal as long as they can be defined as matters of national security. That's why no one was ever arrested for their parts in projects such as MKULTRA. Neither individuals nor agencies can be held criminally libel. They can be sued in civil court, however, and that is why lawsuits have continued well into this century resulting in the Department of Defense paying millions of dollars in damages.

But the point is still clear: people would rather not know, and cover-ups are not even necessary as much as matters of public relations. They don't even care if murnut asks his questions because they are not going to answer, and they know most people would prefer murnut never even address the issues.
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by DARKTRUTH on Mar 28th, 2013, 09:51am

All this talk and you still haven't passed first base. 911 was an Inside Job.
It was done to start the Consolidation of America. Like I said before War then Camps. INSIDE JOB, INSIDE JOB,INSIDE JOB,INSIDE JOB, INSIDE JOB, INSIDE JOB , INSIDE JOB.
ETC, ETC, ETC.
2+2=4.
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by murnut on Mar 29th, 2013, 6:02pm

It's true...it was an inside job.

The next one is coming soon
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Post by OrionsReturn on Apr 16th, 2013, 5:20pm

I'm not sure if someone has already mentioned them previously because quite honestly... I'm too lazy to go back and read all 12 pages of posts but I thought I would mention (in case no one has) that Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth has some stunning videos with evidence behind the 3 buildings collapsing. Physics simply does not allow for the explanation we get from NIST to be possible. Something or someone set those buildings up for controlled demolition. Now of course, we can argue about who and why but to me it is clear that we haven't been told even close to the truth about the events that day and to this day I am still stunned that people so easily just accept what they are told and don't bother to look into it at all, especially since this one event changed the course of history and has made the USA a very different country.
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by FlatEarth on Nov 27th, 2013, 3:16pm

Many have high regard for Noam Chomsky and what he believes. Here's his take on the 9/11 conspiracy theory.



Flat
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Post by Equalizer on Nov 27th, 2013, 11:44pm

Excellent video..I only became an admirer of his as of late..
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by FlatEarth on Nov 28th, 2013, 10:57pm

Yeah, he's the captain of logic. The only hole in his argument is that Bush and his storm troopers might have been crazy. wink

Flat

PS. What happened to your cool avatar, Sys?
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by Equalizer on Nov 30th, 2013, 12:09am

hee cats need a lot of room and air..he'll be back... grin
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by carolnistri on Jun 2nd, 2014, 12:45pm

on Mar 28th, 2013, 09:51am, DARKTRUTH wrote:
All this talk and you still haven't passed first base. 911 was an Inside Job.
It was done to start the Consolidation of America. Like I said before War then Camps. INSIDE JOB, INSIDE JOB,INSIDE JOB,INSIDE JOB, INSIDE JOB, INSIDE JOB , INSIDE JOB.
ETC, ETC, ETC.
2+2=4.


Maaan,Id like to punch your face off..
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by hyundisonata on Jun 2nd, 2014, 1:02pm

Go eat your popcorn Carol, watch the blood pressure lol lol
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by jjflash on Nov 5th, 2014, 7:37pm

Interesting post today from IC watchdog Emptywheel. This is the stuff murnut was posting about earlier in this thread.


Was Alex Brown a CIA Front When It Was “Innocuously” Shorting 9/11?

Published November 5, 2014 | By emptywheel

This is going to sound very tinfoily. But here goes.

Prominent Baltimore banker Ed Hale has come forward to reveal he was a CIA NOC while Chair of the Bank of Baltimore from sometime around 1991 until 2001.

Quote:
In a life that reads like a spy thriller, Hale says he was recruited into the CIA by former Alex Brown chairman Buzzy Krongard, who was with the agency.

“He came to my officer one day and said ‘Let’s go for a walk,’” Hale said.

Blue collar beginnings in Eastern Baltimore County to the world of espionage, Hale details this secret life in the CIA in a new biography called “Hale Storm.”

“I was called a NOC,” Hale said, “N.O.C.”

That stands for “non-official cover.”

[snip]

During his time with the CIA, from 1991 to 2001, Hale never told anyone.



That’s all very nice. But it suggests that Buzzy Krongard was at the CIA, recruiting other banksters, years before he was known to be (he is known to have started in 1998).

There are other versions of this, with slightly different dates and a different relationship with the CIA for Buzzy, which may be key. Still, they all show Buzzy recruiting a top banker to join the CIA in the early 1990s.

Which would mean that when Alex Brown was shorting United and American stocks in the days before 9/11, it didn’t just have a former employee at the CIA. It had served as a cover for that former employer while he was working for the CIA.

Quote:
A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 (2001) as part of a strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter faxed to its subscribers, which recommended these trades.


The 9/11 Report goes on to report the SEC found these trades to be “innocuous.”

It doesn’t sound all that innocuous.
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by drwu23 on Nov 6th, 2014, 07:24am

Never believed in any 'conspiracy' regarding the towers but I did hear about the suspicious trades not long after the event. I thought they had traced them to European investors and decided nothing was connected to that event.
Hard to imagine anyone one would do this to make money....but if someone had insider knowledge about the event through intel channels I suppose that could explain it.
Still I find these tales very hard to take seriously.
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by GhostofEd on Nov 6th, 2014, 07:31am

You can take any event and find seemingly peculiar behaviors before of after them and spin it to any theory one wants to believe. That's why UFO's are always seen when something bad happens.

It's a universal constant. grin
Re: Reopen 911 Conspiracy about the Twin Towers 20
Post by Sys_Config on Apr 13th, 2015, 9:32pm

NY POST SLAMS FBI COVERUP OF SAUDI GOV LINKS TO ATTACKS
As the paper says not an act of terror but an act of war
http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/saudi-role-in-911-being-whitewashed-by-fbi/
http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/decade-us-attacks-9_11.jpg

Just 15 days before the 9/11 attacks, a well-connected Saudi family suddenly abandoned their luxury home in Sarasota, Fla., leaving behind jewelry, clothes, opulent furniture, a driveway full of cars — including a brand new Chrysler PT Cruiser — and even a refrigerator full of food.
About the only thing not left behind was a forwarding address. The occupants simply vanished without notifying their neighbors, realtor or even mail carrier.
The 3,300-square-foot home on Escondito Circle belonged to Esam Ghazzawi, a Saudi adviser to the nephew of then-King Fahd. But at the time, it was occupied by his daughter and son-in-law, who beat a hasty retreat back to Saudi Arabia just two weeks before the attacks after nearly a six-year stay here.
Neighbors took note of the troubling coincidence and called the FBI, which opened an investigation that led to the startling discovery that at least one “family member” trained at the same flight school as some of the 9/11 hijackers in nearby Venice, Fla.
The investigation into the prominent Saudi family’s ties to the hijackers started on Sept. 19, 2001, and remained active for several years. It was led by the FBI’s Tampa field office but also involved the bureau’s field offices in New York and Washington, and also the Southwest Florida Domestic Security Task Force.
Agents identified persons of interest in the case, establishing their ties to other terrorists, sympathies with Osama bin Laden and anti-American remarks. They looked into their bank accounts, colleges and places of employment. They tracked at least one suspect’s re-entry into the US.
The Saudi-9/11 connection in Florida was no small part of the overall 9/11 investigation. Yet it was never shared with Congress. Nor was it mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.
Now it’s being whitewashed again, in a newly released report by the 9/11 Review Commission, set up last year by Congress to assess “any evidence now known to the FBI that was not considered by the 9/11 Commission.” Though the FBI acknowledges the Saudi family was investigated, it maintains the probe was a dead end.
The review panel highlighted one local FBI report generated from the investigation that said Abdulaziz and Anoud al-Hijji, the prominent Saudi couple who “fled” their home, had “many connections” to “individuals associated with the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001.”
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Abdulaziz al-Hijji
But: “The FBI told the Review Commission that the communication was ‘poorly written’ and wholly unsubstantiated,” the panel noted in its 128-page report. “When questioned later by others in the FBI, the special agent who wrote (it) was unable to provide any basis for the contents of the document or explain why he wrote it as he did.”
How strange. Yet panelists did not interview the unidentified agent for themselves. They just accepted headquarters’ impeachment of his work.
Odder still, the agent’s report was just one of many other FBI communications detailing ties between the Saudi family and the hijackers. In fact, the Tampa office of the FBI recently was ordered to turn over more than 80,000 pages of documents filling some 27 boxes from its 9/11 investigation to a federal judge hearing a Freedom of Information Act case filed by local journalists over the Sarasota angle. The judge is sorting through the boxes to determine which documents should remain classified. Most are marked “SECRET/NOFORN,” meaning no foreign nationals — a classification reserved for highly sensitive materials.
“The report provides no plausible explanation for the contradiction between the FBI’s current claim that it found nothing and its 2002 memo finding ‘many connections’ between the Sarasota family and the 9/11 terrorists,” Thomas Julin, the attorney who filed the FOIA lawsuit against the FBI, told the Miami Herald.
The panel’s report also doesn’t explain why visitor security logs for the gated Sarasota community and photos of license tags matched vehicles driven by the hijackers, including 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta.
The three-member review panel was appointed by FBI Director James Comey, who also officially released the findings.
Former Democratic Sen. Bob Graham, who in 2002 chaired the congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11, maintains the FBI is covering up a Saudi support cell in Sarasota for the hijackers. He says the al-Hijjis’ “urgent” pre-9/11 exit suggests “someone may have tipped them off” about the coming attacks.
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The Florida home Abdulaziz Al-Hijji left two weeks before 9/11.
Graham has been working with a 14-member group in Congress to urge President Obama to declassify 28 pages of the final report of his inquiry which were originally redacted, wholesale, by President George W. Bush.
“The 28 pages primarily relate to who financed 9/11, and they point a very strong finger at Saudi Arabia as being the principal financier,” he said, adding, “I am speaking of the kingdom,” or government, of Saudi Arabia, not just wealthy individual Saudi donors.
Sources who have read the censored Saudi section say it cites CIA and FBI case files that directly implicate officials of the Saudi Embassy in Washington and its consulate in Los Angeles in the attacks — which, if true, would make 9/11 not just an act of terrorism, but an act of war by a foreign government. The section allegedly identifies high-level Saudi officials and intelligence agents by name, and details their financial transactions and other dealings with the San Diego hijackers. It zeroes in on the Islamic Affairs Department of the Saudi Embassy, among other Saudi entities.
The review commission, however, concludes there is “no evidence” that any Saudi official provided assistance to the hijackers, even though the panel failed to interview Graham or his two key investigators — former Justice Department attorney Dana Lesemann and FBI investigator Michael Jacobson — who ran down FBI leads tying Saudi officials to the San Diego hijackers and documented their findings in the 28 pages.
Graham smells a rat: “This is a pervasive pattern of covering up the role of Saudi Arabia in 9/11 by all of the agencies of the federal government which have access to information that might illuminate Saudi Arabia’s role in 9/11.”