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« Thread started on: Jan 5th, 2008, 05:49am »

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere here. I had a look around but didn't notice it. It's a story from 1st Jan 2008.

Ok it's in The Sun, but still looks interesting and apparently Nick Pope is quite intrigued by it ...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article637499.ece
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 5th, 2008, 05:51am »

Also maybe I should have posted it in the UK reports thread. Please move it if neccessary, thanks.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 5th, 2008, 07:02am »

on Jan 5th, 2008, 05:49am, Smersh wrote:
Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere here. I had a look around but didn't notice it. It's a story from 1st Jan 2008.

Ok it's in The Sun, but still looks interesting and apparently Nick Pope is quite intrigued by it ...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article637499.ece


Hi Smersh smiley,

I wrote a short Blog post about this just after the story went online (Jan 1st).

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The SUN Newspaper recently ran a UFO story with the inspired(?) headline, “Oooh arrrr not alone anymore.” The story was as follows:

THIS stunning photo of a UFO over Cornwall was last night hailed by experts as one of the best ever taken in Britain . KELVIN took his picture at 3.31pm on December 29, with a Nikon D80 Digital SLR on automatic.

The classic flying saucer shape is seen above two ships. And UFO watchers believe it could be proof we are NOT alone. Kelvin Barbery snapped the mystery object from a coastal path between Swanpool and Maenporth, near Falmouth . In a weird twist, Kelvin, 55, did not even see the UFO at the time.

He thought he was just taking a sea view — but when he loaded the digital camera card on to his computer, the round metallic “craft” was in the centre of the shot, about two miles away.

Kelvin, a facilities manager for schools, said: “There were a couple of tankers out in the bay and I thought that it made a nice shot.

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“There was nothing in view and certainly no fault on the camera. When I got home I couldn't believe what I had. I thought, ‘Wow, where did that come from?' I'm not the sort to believe in UFOs — now I'm not so sure.”

Nick Pope, one of Britain 's foremost UFO experts, said the photo was one of the best he had seen, Nick, formerly the official Ministry of Defence UFO analyst, said: “If I was still there I'd be looking at this very closely. The object looks structured, symmetrical and metallic. This man has caught something very interesting indeed."

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Michael Soper, of the Contact International UFO group, agreed: “This does appear genuine. Digital photos can be doctored but everything about it appears consistent.”


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To be honest, I find its strange that this image is being touted as, “One of the best” as even if you squint and tilt your head slightly it appears to show a gull, and regarding, “The object looks structured, symmetrical and metallic” perhaps this was a quick glance that the former MOD, “Analyst” Nick Pope cast over the image as I personally fail to see any of the features described.

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It seems that there really is no happy medium with the tabloids, the UFO subject is either ridiculed and mocked, or blatantly dubious images are touted as absolute proof, is it any wonder that the uninformed public weigh and measure the subject and more often than not find it wanting?

Thanks to UK UFO investigator/researcher Jenny Randles for the lead and I believe Jenny also sums up the widely perceived problems regarding the MoD, also alluding to the reason why the media jump on sightings such as this (with seemingly prosaic explanations) and perhaps more importantly why prominent UFOlogists appear to pander to their whimsical and fleeting interest (when not misquoted).

"My bet is they (the MoD) will turn out to have been just as hopeless as the rest of us as at this tricky business. Indeed I suspect that you need many years of battle hardened study of the data before you see the basic issues involved and can talk yourself out of the romanticism that surrounds the evidence. Especially amidst the siren calls of the media who mostly only want to hear you say exciting stuff not find explanations.

Nobody working with the MoD had this depth of continuity to get to the point where they saw the subject in all of its complexity (and at heart, its simplicity).”


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Also, Frank Warren concluded the same (as has most independent analysis) as did the majority of his readers on his Blogspot:

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http://frankwarren.blogspot.com/2008/01/cornwall-ufo-its-bird-xxxx-it.html

http://frankwarren.blogspot.com/2008/01/another-bird-photographed-another-ufo.html


Also, surprisingly most of the SUN readers comments reflect the same.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 5th, 2008, 07:48am »

Ok I see what you mean there DrDil. Good bit of detective work there in your blog, and the Frank Warren one.

I must say, that on the original picture (not enlarged,) it does look pretty UFO-ish. Also I'm surprised that Nick Pope made those comments though (if he did, of course, this is The Sun, remember.)

You are quite correct, that some sections of the media are not helpful in convincing Joe Public that the UFO / UAP phenomena should be taken seriously.

I found it in a thread over at space.com in the Phenomena forum originally, but comments in the thread now show that the guys there (most of whom are naturally skeptical anyway,) have found out it's a seagull too, from the same Frank Warren blog that you mentioned.

I'll post a link to your blog there too, as I don't think they have seen that.

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« Reply #4 on: Jan 5th, 2008, 07:48am »

I knew immediately when I saw it that it was some type of bird in flight. I was really surprised by Pope's statement.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 5th, 2008, 08:07am »

I agree about the bird BJ.

Pope has since defended his position saying it will encourage other people to seek contact regarding their photo’s and accounts, but personally I just can’t see how the ends could possibly justify the means. I also think the entire episode will just further damage the already very low credibility factor in the eyes of the general public. Society already has a skewed perception of the entire phenomenon without media-recognised UFO experts championing very suspect images.

Hi Smersh, Nick Pope has since stated (via mailing list):

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Could it be a bird? Sure. But - as I said to the reporter – one has to take a holistic approach, interviewing the witness, examining the camera, analyzing the imagery scientifically, checking to see if anything was tracked on radar, etc. Without this, all anyone can do (as I did) is offer an initial opinion as to whether or not an image looks interesting and merits further study. Inevitably, in a newspaper article of this sort, my lengthy interview was boiled down to a couple of soundbites.

“Soundbites” or not, Pope never says he was misquoted/taken out of context/misrepresented etc. so I believe that the SUN report was quite accurate (which admittedly I was more surprised at than the misidentification!! grin).
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 5th, 2008, 09:56am »

on Jan 5th, 2008, 08:07am, DrDil wrote:
I agree about the bird BJ.

“Soundbites” or not, Pope never says he was misquoted/taken out of context/misrepresented etc. so I believe that the SUN report was quite accurate (which admittedly I was more surprised at than the misidentification!! grin).


Hi DrDil,

I have to say I'm not so sure that The Sun report was quite accurate. Re Nick Pope's comments in that mailing list:

Could it be a bird? Sure. But - as I said to the reporter – one has to take a holistic approach, interviewing the witness, examining the camera, analyzing the imagery scientifically, checking to see if anything was tracked on radar, etc. Without this, all anyone can do (as I did) is offer an initial opinion as to whether or not an image looks interesting and merits further study. Inevitably, in a newspaper article of this sort, my lengthy interview was boiled down to a couple of soundbites.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me. I think he more or less said the same thing as "misquoted/taken out of context/misrepresented," by saying his interview was reduced to a "couple of soundbites."

Especially as it's from The Sun, a gutter tabloid which is usually, imo, more interested in having a sensational story than being accurate in their reports.

I'm not disputing that it's a seagull btw, I'm just saying that maybe you are being a little unfair on Nick Pope!
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 5th, 2008, 10:01am »

My first thought looking at the photo was the same 'a bird or gull'

It never hurts though to keep looking in the sky's, they are out there wink

Great work Dril and thankyou for the post Smersh.
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 5th, 2008, 10:47am »

on Jan 5th, 2008, 09:56am, Smersh wrote:
Especially as it's from The Sun, a gutter tabloid which is usually, imo, more interested in having a sensational story than being accurate in their reports.

I'm not disputing that it's a seagull btw, I'm just saying that maybe you are being a little unfair on Nick Pope!

Hi Smersh,

I don’t see how my statement could be construed as being unfair on Nick as I don’t criticise him in any way, shape or form. I also think it’s obvious that he made the statement as he says himself that, “HIS lengthy interview was reduced to a soundbite.” Directly implying that it was an accurate yet incredibly shortened summary of his interview.

And really all I said was if it was intentional to be vague about the image in order to raise media interest then I don’t feel the end justifies the means, which is purely my opinion and I don’t see how it's unfair. I thought my statement was justified as in Nicks own words:

“All anyone can do (as I did) is offer an initial opinion as to whether or not an image looks interesting and merits further study.”

Actually I thought I was quite fair, (but then again, I would think that grin) I didn’t include his following paragraph as I thought it would paint a blacker picture of the event but seeing as you’ve called me on it:

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“The real value of this sort of story is twofold. Firstly, it keeps the UFO phenomenon in the public eye (The Sun is the UK's best-selling national daily newspaper and this story has been picked up by other media outlets). Secondly, it helps 'smoke out' other photos and videos. Many people have such imagery but have never sent it to anyone, either because they fear disbelief or ridicule, or because they don't know who to send it to. Once a newspaper runs a story like this, it encourages such people to come forward. I've already been sent another interesting photo as a result of this story.”

I’m not having a go at Nick, but rather at his statement as it seems that Nick thinks because, “The Sun is the UK's best-selling national daily newspaper and this story has been picked up by other media outlets” it justifies his statement, I don’t feel it does. And believe me if Nick Pope had been misrepresented he would certainly have made it public knowledge (as we all would).

In my short commentary I actually gave the benefit of the doubt by saying perhaps it was just a cursory glance Nick cast over the image. Either way I still stand by my original sentiment in that it will ultimately do more harm than good, the reasons being that if there is a follow-up story identifying the object as a bird it reflects badly on not only Nick Pope but also on the credibility of the UFO subject/community as he is the most prominent UK figure in this field at the minute. And even if there's no follow-up story it seems the public also think that the object is a bird so I feel it was a lose-lose situation and either way it reflects badly on the UFO subject.

I have nothing against Nick Pope personally, but in this instance I feel a snap decision and a hasty statement was ill-advised, especially when as you say The Sun is a:

“Gutter tabloid which is usually, imo, more interested in having a sensational story than being accurate in their reports”.

Because obviously if you’re operating under this premise (which I feel you must when dealing with tabloids such as The Sun) then surely if you play with fire, you’re going to get burned. undecided
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on Jan 5th, 2008, 10:47am, DrDil wrote:
I’m not having a go at Nick, but rather at his statement as it seems that Nick thinks because, “The Sun is the UK's best-selling national daily newspaper and this story has been picked up by other media outlets” it justifies his statement, I don’t feel it does. And believe me if Nick Pope had been misrepresented he would certainly have made it public knowledge (as we all would).

In my short commentary I actually gave the benefit of the doubt by saying perhaps it was just a cursory glance Nick cast over the image. Either way I still stand by my original sentiment in that it will ultimately do more harm than good, the reasons being that if there is a follow-up story identifying the object as a bird it reflects badly on not only Nick Pope but also on the credibility of the UFO subject/community as he is the most prominent UK figure in this field at the minute. And even if there's no follow-up story it seems the public also think that the object is a bird so I feel it was a lose-lose situation and either way it reflects badly on the UFO subject.

I have nothing against Nick Pope personally, but in this instance I feel a snap decision and a hasty statement was ill-advised, especially when as you say The Sun is a:

“Gutter tabloid which is usually, imo, more interested in having a sensational story than being accurate in their reports”.

Because obviously if you’re operating under this premise (which I feel you must when dealing with tabloids such as The Sun) then surely if you play with fire, you’re going to get burned. undecided


Yes, I think maybe Nick was ill-advised to have given his interview to a media outlet like The Sun in the first place, because of the very danger that he would be misquoted, or underquoted, which I still think is what looks like happened.

Maybe I was ill-advised to have started the thread also, simply because of its dubious source!

I have to say I feel somewhat embarrassed that I can now see it is a seagull ... undecided

As far as Nick making it public knowledge that he was mis-represented, maybe he still will as he must surely realise his reputation is at stake.

Having said that, you guys here are much more familiar with Nick Pope than I am. Especially as he also said:

“The real value of this sort of story is twofold. Firstly, it keeps the UFO phenomenon in the public eye (The Sun is the UK's best-selling national daily newspaper and this story has been picked up by other media outlets). Secondly, it helps 'smoke out' other photos and videos. Many people have such imagery but have never sent it to anyone, either because they fear disbelief or ridicule, or because they don't know who to send it to. Once a newspaper runs a story like this, it encourages such people to come forward. I've already been sent another interesting photo as a result of this story.”

I will be interested to see if Nick says anything more on this issue. Maybe he has painted himself into a corner ...
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 6th, 2008, 5:21pm »

Sorry a bit behind the times here but that reminded me of a stealth bomber in profile.

Just humour me, grin


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« Reply #11 on: Jan 7th, 2008, 04:40am »

No it was a stealth seagull. Still a type of bomber though.

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« Reply #12 on: Jan 7th, 2008, 2:01pm »

Hi Smersh, I’ve been waiting for you to post this but appears you may have missed it, so:

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BRITAIN is turning into an alien nation according to Sun readers who have flooded us with reports of UFO sightings. Following our story of a UFO seen off Cornwall on December 29 we were inundated by calls from people who had similar things all over the country. Some claimed they had seen alien spacecraft off the same bay in Cornwall where our original UFO was snapped.

A man who asked just to be called Edward snapped a strange shaped object which appeared to be 'buzzing' a Navy ship. He said: "I was taking photos of the ship when a helicopter from it took off, flew west then landed back on board just a few minutes later. It was only when I blew up the photos on my computer that I realised what the helicopter had gone off to take a look at. It was in the exact same bay as the one featured in The Sun earlier this week.”

American holidaymaker Ian Mulford also believes he snapped a UFO at virtually the same spot as Edward, saying:

"I was taking photographs and did not see anything unusual at the time, but after reviewing the pictures I found something very unusual in the background of a picture of one of the family.”

It states at the top of the page that it’s an internet exclusive, a more cynically minded person could point out that the obvious massive spike in page views caused by their last UFO story has whet their appetite, good job I’m not cynical. wink

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No it was a stealth seagull. Still a type of bomber though.

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Do you think I'm gull-ible? grin
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on Jan 7th, 2008, 2:01pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Smersh, I’ve been waiting for you to post this but appears you may have missed it, so:


It states at the top of the page that it’s an internet exclusive, a more cynically minded person could point out that the obvious massive spike in page views caused by their last UFO story has whet their appetite, good job I’m not cynical. wink


Well The Sun says:
Following our story of a UFO seen off Cornwall on December 29 we were inundated by calls from people who had similar things all over the country.

Some claimed they had seen alien spacecraft off the same bay in Cornwall where our original UFO was snapped.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article651296.ece

Etc etc, blah blah. But they're still not saying their original UFO was a seagull. That one above's probably the same gull. Maybe they've trained it or something ...

on Jan 7th, 2008, 2:01pm, DrDil wrote:
Do you think I'm gull-ible? grin


I think this thread is giving me the bird now. tongue


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« Reply #14 on: Jan 14th, 2008, 10:23pm »

yeah today they were flying around the penzance/st.ives area a flat bottomed sas type chopper was burning thousands of pounds of tax payers money chasing ufo orbs-i saw one go down out of my sight and the sas type chopper came BELTING back to where id seen it the chopper had a sophisticated looking radar on it similar to the one over east field?also they been doing a lot of chem trail criss crossing WHAT THE ?#"* IS GOING ON?!
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