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« Thread started on: Dec 8th, 2008, 07:45am »

The apparition of mysterious "phantom" islands in the Atlantic from time to time reinforces the idea of a parallel world which interpenetrates our own. There may also be a clue here to USO bases in the Atlantic.

The three islands to which I call attention are:

(1) San Borondon in the Canaries. Over the last two thousand years this island has been reported by thousands of witnesses from neighbouring islands and has been visited on several occasions. When it appears it is visible from the Canary islands of La Gomera, La Palma and Hierro. San Borondon usually appears during freak atmospheric conditions. It is claimed by Spain under the Treaty of Elvira in 1519. A very long article on Son Borondon appears in Wikipedia under "Phantom Islands - St Brendan's Isle". The island was last seen in 2003.

(2) In 1762 the Spanish sealer "Aurora" reported a group of three uncharted islands halfway between the Falklands (Malvinas) and South Georgia in position 52º37'S 47º49'W. The islands were seen by other ships and in 1794 the Spanish corvette "Alrevida" reported sighting them at "53ºS 48ºW". This was the last sighting. The islands were included on maps until at least 1856, and can be seen on the 1814 South America map of John Thomson, Edinburgh cartographer which I consulted on the Internet.


(3) In 1670 the Dutch navigator John Lindeman found a "low-lying island with a central peak" in a position whose coordinates he gave as "30º45'S 19º40'W". The longitude was wrong, and the island, which he named "Saxemberg" was not seen again for nearly half a century.

The Australian explorer Matthew Flinders could not find the island when he searched for it in 1801, but in 1804 Captain Galloway of the US ship "Fanny" reported an uncharted island corresponding in shape to Lindeman's description in the area reported and kept it under observation for four hours.

In his book "A Voyage to Terra Australis", Matthew Flinders wrote that in 1810 he met the Earl of Caledon who showed him a log extract for 22 September 1809 provided by Captain Long of the sloop HMS "Columbus":

"...5pm. Saw island of Saxenburg(sic) bearing ESE about 41 leagues distant: clear weather. Steered for said island, found it to be in latitude 30º18'S 28º20'W or thereabout (halfway between the Cape of Good Hope and Southern Brazil). The island is about four leagues in length and about two and one half miles in breadth. The NW end is a high buff of about 70 feet, perpendicular form, and runs along to the SE about eight miles. You will see trees at about one and a half miles distance and a sandy beach."

Flinders observed that it was not surprising the island had not been seen much more frequently because the longitude was "9º too little". Captain Long reported a great deal of bird activity around the islands. Several residents of the island of St Helena claimed to have proof of the existence of Saxemberg. Major-General Beatson reported that he had drawings of the island depicting various kinds of plant life.

In 1816 Captain Head of the sailing ship "True Briton" viewed the island for six hours and this is the last known report.


Here we have apparently an image of our own ocean in which over the centuries at least three mysterious islands appear and disappear from time to time. San Borondon in the Canaries, Saxemberg between Uruguay/Brazil and the Cape of Good Hope, Aurora between the Falklands and South Georgia: of these the first two have been trodden by human foot and are substantial and not explained as mirages or optical illusions. Of course, scientists are much more knowledgeable than this writer and by all means it is possible that the two South Atlantic islands may have sunk or been destroyed by natural forces, yet the scientific idea of an island "floating" for centuries "hove-to" above 2000 fathoms seems very unlikely, and San Borondon provides the model for the probability - that these three islands exist in the other world and appear for periods of time in our own.


Antonio Las Heras in his book "Informe sobre los visitantes extraterrestres" (Buenos Aires, 1974 p.57) wrote: "It is well known that in our country (Argentina) there are at least two routes used frequently by UFOs: one comes in from the Atlantic over the mesapotamic provinces (Entre Rios, Santa Fe), and the other comes up from the south over the coast and up through Buenos Aires province....we are in agreement regarding secret submarine bases in the Argentine Sea..."

There is no evidence for where these USO bases might be. Certainly there is no evidence that USO flights might originate from the inconstant islands of Saxemberg and Aurora, but I bear in mind the fact that flights from either would cross the coast at the places indicated and then head for the mountainous province of Salta, where the vehicles sighted tend to disappear.

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« Reply #1 on: Jun 29th, 2012, 3:21pm »

Here is an addition to this subject which shows how sensitive this subject of Inconstant Islands is with Governments, and those whom they advise how to act, like Wikipedia.

I refer to Wikipedia - Phantom Island - Pepys Island, both to the article itself and the "Talk" page.

In brief, in December 1683, an English corsair and experienced navigator, William Ambrose Cowle(y), discovered at 47ºS South, according to his reckoning, a previously uncharted and unpopulated island in the South Atlantic. He called this island Pepys Island for the Secretary of the Navy, Samuel Pepys.

It was a totally wooded large island with a bay on one coast "having accommodation for 1000 ships". Although Cowley went into the bay he could not moor there "because the wind was blowing so fiercely". The ocean floor was sounded at 27 fathoms, only 7 fathoms in areas of much seaweed.

Many expeditions were sent from Britain during the following century in the attempt to locate this island, but all searches were unsuccessful, and so then the kindly English Government told everybody to believe it must have been one of the Falkland Islands.

The strange thing is this. In the Wikipaedia article I provided a source for the information, a book published in Argentina relating to navigational matters along the Argentine coast.

And in the book there is a map drawn up by the Spanish hydrographers in 1694, only eleven years after Cowle's find, being a very clear reproduction of Pepys Island except that the inset giving the coordinates is so blurred that it must have been done that way deliberately.

And what the inset states, once it has been greatly magnified to read it, is that the English frigate "Diana" found the island in such and such coordinates MUCH FARTHER NORTH than 47ºS such that the island was five hundred miles north of the Falklands and several hundred east of the coast of modern Argentina.

Now let us get this straight what we are saying.

The English Navy knew exactly where Pepys Island was because their frigate visited it in 1694.

Next the English Admiralty sent explorers and navigators on a wild goose chase trying to find the island in 47ºS where it never had been, a fact they knew.

Then the English Admiralty decided that since nobody had found Pepys Island at 47ºS, it obviously must be one of the Falkland Islands.

When I put the true coordinates in the Wikipaedia article, Wikipeadia took them down the same day for the stupid reason given by their appointee "Doug Weller" in the "Talk Section", as the reader may ascertain.

Why is the location of this disappeared island of no apparent importance whatever, last heard of in 1694, concealed by authors and publishers of books in Argentina, by the British Government and Admiralty and, of all people Wikipaedia?

Here I think is a clue for you. Pepys Island's true location is due south of Buenos Aires province, the scene of more UFO sightings, most coming up from the Argentine Sea, than in any other part of Argentina whatever.

For years it has been suspected that there is a UFO base due south of Buenos Aires province. Author Las Heras actually described where he thought it must be in his book mentioned in the opening mail above.

So what I am reckon is that the UFO base in the Argentine Sea is Pepys Island. It was once in this dimension, and now it is in the other dimension. Governments know this for a fact, and must have known it for several centuries, but do not want the public, anywhere, to be in possession of the fact, and certainly not the coordinates.
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 29th, 2012, 3:51pm »

Very interesting mystery, ohrdruf! I believe we are being visited by aliens, and it would make sense if they used our oceans/seas to conceal any permanent bases on our planet.

Can you locate and upload any maps for these islands?


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« Reply #3 on: Jun 29th, 2012, 4:02pm »

OHRDRUF,

ONE SUCH THOUGHT WHICH COMES TO MIND IS THAT SUCH IS A WAYPOINT OR GATEWAY TO NUESCHWABENLAND/NEW SCHWABENLAND.

HOWEVER,... ANOTHER POSSIBILTY EXISTS THAT SAID LOCATION MAY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO NAZI CLOAKING TECHNOLOGY WHICH WAS DEVELOPED AND USED RIGHT AT THE END OF WORLD WAR II ON SPECIALLY EQUIPPED GERMAN U-BOATS USED TO FERRY NAZI MILITARY OFFICERS TO LATIN AMERICAN LOCATIONS WHILE IN ADDITION SAID U-BOATS WERE USED TO FERRY MERCURY AND HEAVY WATER TO JAPAN AND ELSEWHERE...

SO VERY GOOD TO HAVE YOU POSTING AGAIN MY FRIEND!
YOUR THOUGHTS AND INSIGHTS HAVE BEEN SORELY MISSED.

SHALOM...ZETAR
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 30th, 2012, 1:52pm »

AURORA ISLANDS

A 19th century map showing the Aurora Islands group (since vanished) can be seen at Wikipedia - Phantom Island - Aurora Island. There were actually three islands and lay about 200 nautical miles due east of the Falklands. No mention of these islands ever appears in British histories of the region.

PEPYS ISLAND

The details about this island can be found in Diarios de Navegación - Expediciones por las costas y rios patagónicos, Ed. Continente, Buenos Aires, ISBN 10: 950-754-204-3.

The map is at page 38.

There is a legend in the right hand corner of the sketch which states (my translation from the Spanish):

"Note: The frigate [i]Diana was anchored in the bay 24 hours, her captain observed that part of the island was mountainous and part low ground, all the island was totally wooded, and to judge by the streams all flowing down into the sea it had water. But they did not disembark[/i]."

I suggest that they did not disembark because they knew it was haunted. The legend continues:

"At the left, in the centre of the vignette, it mentions the coordinates and states "Where the English frigate the Diana anchored." By courtesy of the Historical Archive of the Provincia of Buenos Aires."

The failure to state what the coordinates are, and the deliberate blurring of the vignette, confirm our suspicions that this is something the public in general is not supposed to know.

Having magnified the vignette greatly I was able to make out the coordinates as being 43ºS 60ºW. This places the island due south of the town of Claromeco in the province of Buenos Aires and a couple of hundred miles due east of Golfo Nuevo.

Golfo Nuevo has appeared previously in this USO sub-forum when I related the events occurring there in 1960. This was a long account of how the US and Argentine navies spent nearly a month failing to sink an intruder submarine identified as a WWII Type XXI German U-boat: "The US Navy and the Greatest Submarine Hunt in History".

As a member of the on-line magazine Sharkhunters which specializes in the U-boat War and strange happenings associated therewith, I note recently this extraordinary fact:

- in March 1938 the Brazilian Government allowed the Hitler Government to instal a radio station on Trinidade Island (20º 31'S 29º 19'W), and they also allowed the Germans back as soon as the war was over. What this radio station was used for is unknown.

It has intrigued me for sometime that the Germans claimed only the coastal strip of Queen Maud Land (Neuschwabenland) between 20ºE to 11º30'W (why so precise?) instead of the usual great chunk of it which the Europeans nations usually do.

Although I cannot guarantee the precision of it, if you draw a line between 11º30'W and the entrance to Golfo Nuevo on the coast of Argentina, the line passes through the Aurora Islands and Pepys Island.

What I would suspect about these German radio stations is that they were a kind of navigational beacon to get your U-boat to these invisible islands where no doubt you would be met to unload your passengers and technology.

The U-boat U-977 was suspected by UFO enthusiasts to have spent some time in Neuschwabenland and done all kinds of things there in connection with the so-called Haunebu project.

From my own research, I do not believe for a moment that that is true, but what is striking about the material unloaded from aboard U-977 in August 1945 at Mar del Plata was the radio installation whose purpose nobody knows. The aerial was 14 feet long and four feet deep (said to have a variable parabola) and wired into the interior of the boat through the flak platform railings. Nobody knows how it was rigged in use. There was at least forty tons of electrical equipment taking up crew space inside the hull of the boat which connected up to this monstrous aerial.

For these reasons I think UFO thinkers should concentrate less on Haunebu and more on the inconstant islands and the German radio network in the South Atlantic region and its purpose.

That there was and is a pact in existence between the Hitlerites and an ultraterrestrial civilisation I am convinced. Linked to an expedition involving the Argentine Navy I have seen the evidence of what they can do in connection with these maritime mysteries.

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« Reply #5 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 12:55am »

Quite interesting. Almost sounds like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_island

does it not? Only on a grand scale. This is what I thought of when I read your post.

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« Reply #6 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 03:52am »

Although I do not believe personally in dimensions strange things do and are happening at sea that you cannot see with the naked eye. For example I was sailing up towards Faroe islands on a dark clear night, I was the only one on watch when I noticed a ship on the radar at twelve miles, now with it being clear weather I should have seen some form of navigation lights but nothing was in sight, after a while and below the six mile mark I started to get worried as I still saw nothing, I even went out onto the bow with the binoculars to look but still zero. At about two miles I awoke the whole crew and made my report to the skipper fearing a collision. The skipper believing it could be a submarine looked not only at the radar but the sonar as well and although still reading as there, nothing was visible. This caused a bit of panic as it passed according to radar and sonar right through the ship and out the other end at about forty knots and was as big as a liner. In those days I knew nothing about UFO or anything related to such and put it down as a joke ghost ship .lots of such happenings go unreported at sea and like my story is isolated to barroom banter that may grow to myth, very few even today would think UFO and would put such down as a joke or ghost story. ET can hide quite safely from the average Joe at sea but no doubt the military knows a lot more.
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 04:24am »

I wonder if these disappearing and reappearing islands have anything to do with the theory of electronic fog.

And there is also Jenny Randles theory on time storms.

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« Reply #8 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 09:05am »

It depends on what they consist of in my opinion Pen. Are you aware of the reports sailors once made regarding the Sargasso Sea in the days before shipping rose to current levels? There allegedly was areas of floating Kelp more than thick enough to walk on, and old ships/boats sometimes became pushed together creating temporary islands of sorts. While the regions current fame as the Bermuda Triangle is controversial, the fact that it was a garbage dump of the Atlantic of sorts back when the currents were driven to a different pattern by the Little Ice Age was fairly well established.

Something similar could be going on to give the appearance of islands on down through the Atlantic. Have you ever been far out to sea? The amount of garbage you find floating in patches is shocking enough. What that garbage sometimes consists of is nothing short of amazing. It's not unusual to find the floating docks from an entire marina for example. Mattresses, oil drums ....... a Tuna boat skipper showed me a picture he took of a substantial sized bridge he saw floating between Hawaii and Johnston Island once. You wouldn't believe what's floating around in places out there. Right now there's a few fairly complete Japanese towns headed straight for the beaches of the Pacific Northwest here, which washed out to sea in the Tsunami last year. Pretty amazing stuff.

Hopefully no fuel rods though. rolleyes

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« Reply #9 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 1:50pm »

I rather think that Icepick is trying as hard as he can to debunk the idea of islands that are inconstant. The inconstant islands of Aurora and San Borondon mentioned below can be read about on the Wikipaedia-Phantom Island site.

The 1789-1794 official Spanish survey visited the three Aurora islands to the east of the Falklands as part of a worldwide expedition to report to the Spanish government on its posessions. Two of these three islands were mountainous and the frigate Atrevida in its circumnavigation of the largest sailed through a vast central chasm bordered by mountainous terrain 3000 feet in height.

There can be no question of seaweed forming hills up to 3000 feet in height, nor of such a "seaweed phenomenon", if there ever could be such a thing, being mistaken for a mountain by experienced navigators.

The most famous of the inconstant islands is San Borondon in the Canaries about forty miles west of La Gomera. In the 1519 Treaty of Elvira between Spain and Portugal, this large mountainous island belongs to Spain "should it ever become constant".

This island appears during electric storms, remaining visible, and accessible for visits for a day or so - not recommended, since those on the island when it chooses to dematerialize disappear for ever with it - and is accompanied by fierce winds. It has been seen on thousands of occasions since Ptolemy first wrote about it, and Columbus mentioned it in his diary in 1492 before sailing for the New World.
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 4:42pm »

I'm sorry, but debunking was not my intent. Rather to merely offer a possibility.

If somebody wanted to debunk they'd probably go after the quality of those ancient charts or similar. I only wanted to point out how apparent land masses appear and vanish where currents meet, that's all. We dump everything imaginable in our oceans. Unfortunately.

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« Reply #11 on: Jul 5th, 2012, 01:25am »

I wouldn’t say ICE is debunking the post as he is right that the oceans are full of junk that like any other body of water gather at certain locations depending on tide or current. We know very little about our oceans and seas so unknown islands still remain a possibility even with satellite imaging. Now lets assume that your island is real and has the ability to appear and disappear, the big question would have to be why is it not a tourist attraction, people would pay big money to watch such an event yet no one has even entertained the idea .it is little niggly points like that eating away at my thoughts, greed is one of the best ways to find if there is any fact in the myth. Its points such as this that I notice always get ignored. Now I could see the point if the navy had the area shut off as a no go area, but I haven’t seen that mentioned. I hold my merchants AB ticket and also have my mates ticket from my days deep sea fishing and being involved in the Icelandic wars know how much the navy is used to control an area and that was just for fish yet we see nothing remotely like this in the area mentioned. Your talking about something of scientific value that makes the god particle nothing more than peanuts that’s had billions spent on it so why nothing on this island? From what you write it seems to have a track record that would be easy to follow up on as the area is roughly known. Point a satellite with a camera and bobs your uncle just sit back and watch what happens.
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 5th, 2012, 05:13am »

Trying to find logical reasons for an island/s disappearing and reappearing is good, but there are so many cases of high strangeness that defy explanation..... missing time, people going missing and turning up hundreds of miles away with no idea how they got there. There is definitely something causing these things.... just finding what is causing them is the problem.

Bruce Gernon's theory on electronic fog..... and there is a fair bit on the net about it. Here is one link....:

http://www.facebook.com/video/?id=120261244703580

Do these electronic fogs cause space rifts? Could there be unstable space rifts.... maybe happening in places for hundreds of years.....; opening and closing without any warning? If the universe is holographic as quantum physics suggests then it may make some sense that an island could disappear due to electronic fog into an alternate reality. The mysterious Isle of Avalon was said to exist in another alternate reality.... having to travel through the mists with a boatman to get to the island.

Time Storms in The Matrix

The more we learn about the nature of reality, the more mysterious it seems. Fantasies like The Matrix films propose that life as we know it on this planet is nothing more than a highly complex computer simulation generated and imposed on our minds by sophisticated machines. Yet we might not have movies like The Matrix if it weren't for the discovery of the perplexing but apparently real nature of the world on a subatomic level. On this quantum level, if I understand it correctly, matter seems to exist as both particles and waves - or the potential to be either - and how it ultimately behaves is determined by observation.

Read more @ http://paranormal.about.com/cs/timetravel/a/aa052603.htm
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 5th, 2012, 06:39am »

Remember what I told you about phenomena now being back at Dark Age levels Pen? I was not joking. That's quite true. In that fact somewhere I suspect you will find your answers.

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« Reply #14 on: Jul 5th, 2012, 06:41am »

You surprise me at times Hyundi. Use the greed of the greedy to ferret out a truth? Very original. And it could work. Hmmm.

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