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« Thread started on: Dec 20th, 2013, 1:26pm »

Somewhere in Seattle..underneath the ground..something..Stops a Gigantic Tunneling Machine dead in its tracks....and its not China..
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/20/us/under-seattle-a-big-object-blocks-bertha-what-is-it.html?pagewanted=2&ref=general&src=me
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 20th, 2013, 5:08pm »


Jimmy Hoffa ? grin
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 20th, 2013, 8:48pm »

hmmmm. All I get is the subscription page.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 21st, 2013, 01:54am »


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/20/us/under-seattle-a-big-object-blocks-bertha-what-is-it.html?pagewanted=2&ref=general&src=me&_r=0

Economics and geology — two key threads of Seattle’s creation — underpin the tunnel’s impetus. Planning for the project began after an earthquake in 2001 revealed seismic vulnerability in the elevated viaduct roadway, which was built in the 1950s. Businesses and real estate interests were then sold on the idea that a tunnel, replacing the viaduct, would open access between downtown and the waterfront.
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Bertha in May, before it was lowered underground to start digging.

But unlike, say, Boston or New York, where tunnels are common and bedrock is close to the surface, getting to that end point is messy. Seattle’s underbelly is more like pudding than soil — a slurry of sand, gravel and clay, all jumbled and compressed by the pressures from a 3,000-foot-thick ice sheet that extended as far as Olympia, 50 miles south. A city famous for being wet also has a high water table, only about four to five feet down.

And because Seattle, as first encountered by European-American settlers, was hardly conducive to being a city at all, with steep, glacier-carved hills rolling right down to the water, the landscape was reshaped from the beginning, with projects to grind down the hills. That in turn created lots of landfill, which went into the waterfront to level it and create land on which the city’s commercial center rose.

“It’s mind-boggling how much we have altered the landscape of Seattle,” said David B. Williams, a geologist and author of a coming book about the making of Seattle’s landscape, called “Too High and Too Steep, Reshaping Seattle’s Topography.”

“The tunnel is just a continuation of that story,” he said as he walked north of downtown, where a cliff face showed the layered strata of the geologic past.

Mr. Williams, who blogs about local geology, speculated in a recent post that the remains of a famous shipwreck, the Windward — which foundered in 1875 and was buried near the waterfront — might be the kind of object that Bertha encountered, though he conceded that the machine could probably grind through a wood vessel as though it were paper.

In the end, he said, state engineers are probably right. A rock, huge in size or in a configuration that the machine cannot quite get purchase on to grind, is the most likely culprit. “I do hope it is not,” he said. “It would be great to find some new mystery.”
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 21st, 2013, 1:10pm »

This is all dead interesting - I have now knowledge of this type of situation in Seatle ! embarassed embarassed
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 21st, 2013, 1:11pm »

Sorry - SEATTLE embarassed
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 21st, 2013, 6:44pm »

some of the tunnels referenced in another thread were also constructed when not naturally made during the alcohol prohibition era and connected to wealthy business and political leaders to go thru unnoticed..from above..Drug smugglers have built elaborate tunnels cross countries...however this thing just sits there..non tunnel and unidentified ...i guess there is no reverse mode for the machine...
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 21st, 2013, 10:55pm »

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I HAD READ THAT THEY (MAINTENANCE CREW) HAD TO ENTER THE BIT ITSELF AND OPEN SAME UP TO SEE WHAT THE OBSTRUCTION IS...WHERE ARE THOSE CONTAINED MIRCO-CAMERAS?...PROBABLY A DEALER ADD ON...THIS BORING MACHINE...ONE OF THOSE NO FRILLS UNITS...OH INDEED...NO "R" SETTING ON THE TRANNY...
JUST THINK IF THEY HAD TO CHANGE THE BITS...

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« Reply #8 on: Dec 21st, 2013, 11:45pm »

hehe I know its a boring story..they better get a move on cause some contracts have stiff penalty claws for delays.. grin
by the way still thinking about that cosmic jewel thread..great find..
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 22nd, 2013, 9:41pm »

In most of these the boreing head is made to alow access through the water tight collection chamber to change the bits on the head.
I'm not sure with the water table like it is if they can get in there safely. I hope they publish the answer to this question.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 8th, 2014, 3:57pm »

according to this, it's a steel pipe. the contractor didn't remove it though they had a map of the project that included known obstacles

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/When-will-Big-Bertha-get-back-to-work-239000051.html
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 9th, 2014, 12:33am »

welcome back reasoner.grin..looks like the taxpayers get stiffed again.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 9th, 2014, 10:16am »

Hey, Reasoner!

Good to see you. <stage whisper>It's me, Doublenought, traveling incognito.</whisper>

Seattle is an interesting place. If you ever find yourself with an afternoon to kill there, the "underground tour" of downtown is worth the time, especially if the weather is bad. As the city grew, it became more and more obvious that the downtown street level was too low so it was raised. You can now walk around under the sidewalks, into and through what were the ground floors of commercial buildings, and other odd bits of urban history. I'm sure if the city didn't facilitate the tours, the "alternate downtown" would be just too perfect for all sorts of other enterprises that thrive in obscurity. Who knows, maybe some of that still goes on, beyond the tourist barricades. wink

I'm not sure I want to go into that tunnel...
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 9th, 2014, 8:02pm »

It does going all the way back to Prohibition..They should take some video...and splice them into a new horror movie like with giant ants..a gate to hell.or amissing nuke thats all the rage now.....save a lot on props..and the rest can be completed digitally..Maybe even remake the Blob!..it was never sent to antarctic..maybe it was buried under Seattle.. wink
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