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« Reply #17 on: Nov 11th, 2007, 1:46pm »

on Nov 6th, 2007, 12:23pm, Johhn wrote:
can you post those pictures here Bonehead?


Johhn,

They are on page one of this thread. Juts click on the link to page 1 at the bottom of this page.
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 6th, 2007, 1:28pm »

Look at the edges as opposed to the tip, they have different levels of focusing, this can only mean that the object is very small (a scale model), and really close to the camera. This is not at all similar to motion blur, which looks like long straight lines.

Adamski's pic is definitely fake to me.

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« Reply #19 on: Mar 15th, 2008, 7:26pm »

Greetings everyone,

I just found this forum, so this is my first posting for which you have obviously touched upon a topic area for which I have in the past, done extensive private research and investigation into.

OK Now to begin..

The photo or sets of photos, some of which you have posted here, allegedly claimed to be from Paul Valli, Neil Slade, etc, are actually taken from a series of photos originating, from a home movie clip taken near Merlin Oregon by Tahahlita B. Wiese Fry, A former wife of UFO contactee Daniel Fry.

Tahahlita B. Weise who's real name is also Bertha Mantzurani, while she was gathering home movie footage to sell her property near Merlin Oregon, took film footage of this suddenly appearing UFO (1964) which was later stolen by her real estate agent, Fritz Van Nest, who later made several attempts himself to profit from the photos.

Fritz Van Nest relocated himself to Kanab Utah 4 years later and claimed to have taken the photo himself by a lake near that location while on a camping trip. In the process, several cropped up photos of this type have been printed in different formates, sold, circulated and yet reclaimed by many individuals adding in their own copyrights to the photos, all within the past 40 years. About 4 or so years ago, I was able to find many of the different copyright holders and bring them all to each others attention, but as one of then would say to me, "Talk about a tempest in a teapot"! On one occasion the photo was even made into an X-files poster.

For those interested, I do have further poof of this story, because I have a portion of the original film clip, reversed mirror imaged, along with a collection of these same photos.

Others who have made claims to the photos since Fritz Van Nest, include...

-Bill McDonald who received the photo submitted to him by a Bruce Smith on 08/09/2003.
-Bruce Smith who took it from Gerry also in 2003.
-Dr Oren Swearingen who received the photo or photos from Bob and Yolanda Curtis.
-Neil Slade who received the photo from Henry Rowland, who then claims was from the brother of a client.

Note: Paul Valli had no association with the photo.

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« Reply #20 on: Mar 16th, 2008, 5:34pm »

Good grief! What a tangled web that has been woven over the last forty years.
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« Reply #21 on: Mar 17th, 2008, 04:43am »

Welcome JTruthseeker.What a fantastic post for your first one.Thankyou indeed for all the research effort you have shared with us.I am so pleased that you have confirmed my suspicion that this first photo on the thread has absolutely nothing to do with Paul Villa.I always suspected that this was the case.The main reason I began this thread was to hopefully clear confusion about the original Paul Villa photos taken near Albuquerque which I know for certain are genuine,having seen the identical craft from a distance of less than 300 feet on the evening of 28th of December 1980.
It makes more sense of the lines in the photo that it is a single frame taken from a filmed event.How fitting that it was the former wife of Daniel Fry who took the movie.Like so many of the early contactees,Daniel Fry has been ridiculed by those who are either working to keep this whole subject under wraps,or are simply too stupid to recognise the truth.I strongly recommend Casebook members and guests to take a look at the Ralph Ring interview on the Project Camelot website.A more decent man than Ralph Ring would be hard to find and his connections with Daniel Fry,Otis Carr and others are so imformative about what some people really new and most importantly,when,that this interview is a must watch.I cannot praise the Project Camelot website too highly,and if you have not allready visited it,you are missing a treat.

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« Reply #22 on: Mar 17th, 2008, 10:24pm »

Greetings and thanks,

I'm curious then why the one photo was attributed to Paul Valli in the first place and who was responsible?, even if it's just a simple error, because I've seen the photo up there for some time now.

Apparently as you may be aware, there is also some video film from Paul Valli, which I knew about, but had never seen until about late 2006 when I found it one day on Youtube, however, the person who posted the film clip at the time seemed unaware as to the film's origins and viewers regarded it as a fake. Unfortunately I can't find it again because YouTube appears to have a limit of only 1000 segments when doing a search.
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« Reply #23 on: Mar 18th, 2008, 03:42am »

I've no idea who was responsible for attributing the photo to Paul Villa, but perhaps Casebook staff ought to consider changing it in view of your information.I certainly think so.
I was not aware that Paul had taken any movie footage.Timothy Good does not mention any footage in his book even though he interviewed Paul.I am surprised Tim did not mention it, if it did indeed exist.On the other hand,I would be delighted to see it ,if it could be shown to originate with Paul.
I notice from your posts that you spell Paul's surname incorrectly.His name is Villa and not Valli.Perhaps this could be interfering with your search.
I firmly believe that the genuine Paul Villa photographs are some of the most compelling evidence for extra terrestrial visitation which we have.A fact that was not lost on the powers that be who have done all they could to ridicule him.
I hope that one day Paul will be rightfully acclaimed as one of the pioneers of this subject, and let us not forget that it was the extra terrestrials who sought him out,not the other way around.
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 18th, 2008, 12:03pm »

Greetings, yes you are right, Villa is his correct last name and not Valli.

Unfortunately I've still had no success at finding the movie clip on Youtube and have been searching it out for about 3 days now. The clip may have been deleted by now, but if Youtube could at least allow searches to go by vid clips that were posted per year, then I know I would eventually find it if it's still up there. Other then that a person could be searching it out for months and never find it. Unfortunately I've not had any reply from YouTube staff in assisting me with the situation.

What I saw in that particular film clip was a UFO moving behind the back end of a truck as it moved onto it's side. I've also heard that there is yet another clip from Villa showing the much larger UFO like as seen in the ones in the pictures which you posted here at the beginning in this thread. I've never seen that clip, however was told that it was likely fake because you can see the UFO wobble as it spins. However I believe it to be real because the same UFO was filmed in Mexico back in 1997 which had the same spin and wobble effect which was described to me earlier.
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« Reply #25 on: Mar 18th, 2008, 12:53pm »

Good luck with your search.It would be very interesting to take a look at such a film.
I would not say that just because a slowly spinning ufo wobbles,it must be a fake.I would suggest that the opposite would be the case.We certainly know that ufos have been seen coming towards the ground with a falling leaf motion and I too have seen other film where the craft wobbled as it spun round.
As I said before,I was not aware that Paul Villa had ever shot a movie film of ufos,so while I hope you are right,I would urge a little caution.The reason I say this is because the powers that be would have been so disturbed by his photos,which they would certainly know were genuine,that they would try any trick going to discredit him.
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 18th, 2008, 1:28pm »

In high school I raised fowl for the French Quarter.
That object looks very much like a chick brooder lamp assembly, right down to the exact placement of the bulbs!
If any of you have raised chickens, you know what I am talking about! wink wink
Though I had mine in the early sixty's; I saw photos in Sears Catalogs dating to the end of WW2!
I have also seen similar photos when taken with a simple Brownie camera of that era when taken up close!

I decided to Google chicken brooders. Guess what popped up?
Numerous hits linking back to Adamski's "Chicken Brooder UFO"! grin grin
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« Reply #27 on: Mar 18th, 2008, 2:28pm »

Anyone not up to speed on the Paul Villa story might care to look at this page
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case985.htm
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« Reply #28 on: Mar 18th, 2008, 2:58pm »

Hi Rob, you could be right, but also if anyone would know about Paul Villa having movie film, it would be Wendelle Stevens, but it may take a week or too before I can get in contact with him again. I'll let you know if I find anything.

To Belizeman, you are actually not that far off when you mention the chicken brooder thing, however this would not apply to Paul Villas photos, but rather I assume to the Adamski photo that someone posted here earlier. But not only is there a resemblance to chicken brooders, but also to a bottle cooler top from England and an apparent lamp shade. That's 3 objects that I know of that look strikingly similar to an Adamski saucer, but the original story is even stranger then that.

Apparently George Adamski was not the real contactee of these UFOs and his photos were constructed and faked by him. Now I say not the real contactee, because he apparently addopted his UFO story from a woman who apparently did have contact with such UFOs, but did not want to be known about it for quite some time, however it was not until before his death that we finally hear of her and even then she continued to associate her UFOs with Adamski. Her name being that of Madeleine Rodeffer. But what's even more interesting is that it turns out the people she came in contact with who were flying them UFOs were not from Venus as was the popular belief during the 1950s, but rather from Earth who used the term Venusians as their cover story to their real agenda. Another story though if you're interested.
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« Reply #29 on: Mar 18th, 2008, 3:03pm »

Adamski's photo was the one I was referring to.
Thanks for the heads up to the "rest of the story"!

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« Reply #30 on: Mar 18th, 2008, 3:17pm »

You could well be right about Wendelle.I spoke to him at a conference in Leeds several years ago.He told me that he knew Paul Villa well and he assured me that his photos were genuine.
I'm sorry I can't agree with you about George Adamski.I am certain that he was indeed the contactee.I have one of his books and have seen much first hand testimony from reliable witnesses who confirm George's contacts.
With regard to the shape of some of the craft looking like conventional objects,I agree that they do.However, if you do a great deal of research as I have done, you will find that photos taken in different parts of the world show very similar craft which, whether we like it or not, means that this is their shape,or perhaps it might be more correct to say that this was their shape,for as we have seen,throughout history they have changed their shape to match contemporary objects.
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« Reply #31 on: Mar 18th, 2008, 3:59pm »

Actually I have a rather very large extensive collection of photos relating to UFOs which look very much like the Adamski saucer taken and seen from all over the world, so I'm not saying that it doesn't exit and I'm well aware of the Admaski witnesses, but, even if Adamski and his witnesses actually have observed phenomenon, which by the way I agree they did during one particular point, it has still come to my attention that he apparently still faked many of his first original photos, but not by using any of the 3 objects which I described earlier, but apparently done a different way. Unfortunately it was quite some time too before I discovered how he did it, and that's when I became convinced that he created faked photos. Apparently some of the objects where created that way not because of Adamski's popularity, but because someone knew something else which they didn't want the public to know.
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