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« Reply #90 on: Dec 31st, 2012, 12:34pm »

on Dec 31st, 2012, 07:12am, HUBCAP9 wrote:
In reply 62 UFOSCAN made this post;

And this is the pesky photo that shows a branch going right behind the "UFO"... Make of it what you will.

http://www.ufohypotheses.com/PaulVilla1-93.jpg

Perhaps it is the poor quality of the photograph, but I am unable to see where this branch reappears on the other side of the craft. If it does not, then how could anyone claim that the branch goes behind the craft. Is it not just as reasonable to assume that the branch just happens to end at the point where it touches the craft on the photograph?
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Unfortunately, none of the copies of the Paul Villa photographs are sharp - even including the original copies sold by AFSCA back in 1966 (sets of which I have) and this picture is even less sharp than the others - making it hard to come to any definite conclusion.

In the original, one sees what looks like two extensions of the branch seemingly reach the edge of the object. Of course one could assume that the branch ends precisely (and conveniently) there. But one would have rather hoped that the branch clearly went over the object, which would have proven beyond a doubt that the "craft" was behind it.

The problem with such pictures is that - as real as they may look - there never is one that shows the object partly obscured by something whose distance can be positively determined or one that shows the craft landed ! After all, Villa did claim the object had landed and that he met its occupants...
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« Reply #91 on: Dec 31st, 2012, 1:19pm »

I am not surprised that there are no better copies of these photos available as I've been researching this stuff for over 30 years and never come across one.
It may be frustrating that Paul Villa didn't take a photo of a craft with an intervening branch but I contend that this is not unreasonable. I'm not a great photographer but I'm certain that if I had been in Paul's position, I would have tried to get as clear a shot, without obstructions, of the craft as possible. I'm sure Paul wasn't thinking; "oh I'd better get a branch in front of this craft so that people in the future can tell that the craft is in the background and not a model hanging from a tree. I know that Paul had contacts with ETs from much earlier in his life, but even so, this event must have been extremely exciting for him. I think that he would have had enough on his mind as it was without worrying about tree branches.
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« Reply #92 on: Dec 31st, 2012, 1:42pm »

on Dec 31st, 2012, 1:19pm, HUBCAP9 wrote:
I am not surprised that there are no better copies of these photos available as I've been researching this stuff for over 30 years and never come across one.

I am not so sure. I suspect that Gabriel Green (of AFSCA) wasn't an expert in photo reproduction or that he dealt with a lab that wasn't too good at it. The reason I say this is that I have seen copies of some of those images on the net that are sharper and more colourful than the original set I got from Gabriel Green. Unfortunately I doubt we could ever find the original images.

on Dec 31st, 2012, 1:19pm, HUBCAP9 wrote:
It may be frustrating that Paul Villa didn't take a photo of a craft with an intervening branch but I contend that this is not unreasonable. I'm not a great photographer but I'm certain that if I had been in Paul's position, I would have tried to get as clear a shot, without obstructions, of the craft as possible.

It all depends what one's objective is. Photographs of UFOs made by contactees are made to offer proof of their experiences. So if such pictures look no different than ones that can easily be faked, the goal is not reached.

on Dec 31st, 2012, 1:19pm, HUBCAP9 wrote:
I'm sure Paul wasn't thinking; "oh I'd better get a branch in front of this craft so that people in the future can tell that the craft is in the background and not a model hanging from a tree.

That's not quite my point. My point is that where there is a branch in the picture, it appears to go behind the object - not in front of it. In other words, where the branch should help authenticate the picture it instead draws suspicion.

on Dec 31st, 2012, 1:19pm, HUBCAP9 wrote:
I know that Paul had contacts with ETs from much earlier in his life, but even so, this event must have been extremely exciting for him. I think that he would have had enough on his mind as it was without worrying about tree branches.

I think if he really had these contacts, he would have tried to photograph the craft as close as possible and showed it firmly resting on the ground...
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« Reply #93 on: Dec 31st, 2012, 5:36pm »

Sorry to go slightly OT, but I just got some Adamski photos that are 1st generation images from the negatives. The Villa "I Want To Believe" shots look like the Adamski's.

The Adamski images I have are ultra rare with his notes on the back and some other tells to it's authenticity. Images clearer than the halftone images in the books. Still not sure what I think about Adamski, but these 2 saucer shots captured my imagination since my early years.

I'm debating putting them up for auction to pay some bills. I've never seen first generation images off the negatives for the Adamski shots before, so I think these may fetch a nice price. I paid a pretty hefty price to get them, but they are amazing and worth every penny I paid!
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« Reply #94 on: Dec 31st, 2012, 7:50pm »

on Dec 31st, 2012, 5:36pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
Sorry to go slightly OT, but I just got some Adamski photos that are 1st generation images from the negatives.

Nice collectible !

on Dec 31st, 2012, 5:36pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
The Villa "I Want To Believe" shots look like the Adamski's.

No they are not. After Adamski's shots, there were many copycat pictures. The earliest ones were those of Menger and in the mid-sixties there were two film clips of similar objects that are known as a) the "Lost Creek Saucer" and b) the "Benedum airport UFO"

Lost Creek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00XZ4EvvkXE

Benedum Airport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzTGBrqMHNk

These two clips use to be sold by Gray Barker. He claimed they were given to him by the witnesses, but the model used to make these hoaxes was found in his house after he passed away...

There was also the Adamski footage shot at Madeleine Rodeffer's house and then in 1968 the Tahalita Fry footage and stills. The picture used for the "I want to believe" poster is a copy of one of the Tahalita Fry stills.

By the way, here is a page that tells of someone who corresponded with Tahalita Fry at the time. It finally puts a date on when these stills were taken (November 1968). Interestingly, no mention of the film footage is made:
http://ufoarchives.blogspot.ca/2012/02/tahalita-frys-ufofoton.html

I was first shown five or six of these prints by a friend of Daniel Fry (as I told in an earlier post) in 1970.

on Dec 31st, 2012, 5:36pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
The Adamski images I have are ultra rare with his notes on the back and some other tells to it's authenticity.

I see them show up now and then on eBay. Keep in mind that Adamski made a business of selling original prints by mail. The person I met in september 1967 had a whole album of original prints from Adamski, Menger, Villa and even Allingham. He also had personal letters from Adamski.

on Dec 31st, 2012, 5:36pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
Images clearer than the halftone images in the books.

Of course, original prints made from the original negatives are always best.

on Dec 31st, 2012, 5:36pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
Still not sure what I think about Adamski, but these 2 saucer shots captured my imagination since my early years.

Funny thing is that, for me, it was the other way around. I first heard of Adamski and contactees in 1966 and was fascinated by all this. But when I saw Adamski's actual images, they looked like models to me. From that point on, I kept hearing arguments for and against Adamski and didn't quite know what to make of it. But I still wanted to believe there might be something to it. It really was Menger's book (that I read in October 1967) that got me believing all this. Then I met Madeleine Rodeffer in 1968 and saw the last Adamski footage, which again left me feeling puzzled. I wanted very much to believe here and she souded quite sincere and was very friendly, but the filmm footage didn't look anything like I expected...

on Dec 31st, 2012, 5:36pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
I'm debating putting them up for auction to pay some bills. I've never seen first generation images off the negatives for the Adamski shots before, so I think these may fetch a nice price. I paid a pretty hefty price to get them, but they are amazing and worth every penny I paid!

Funny that you went through much effort to get them only to want to sell them again !
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« Reply #95 on: Dec 31st, 2012, 9:39pm »

on Dec 31st, 2012, 7:50pm, ufoscan wrote:
I see them show up now and then on eBay. Keep in mind that Adamski made a business of selling original prints by mail. The person I met in september 1967 had a whole album of original prints from Adamski, Menger, Villa and even Allingham. He also had personal letters from Adamski.


I've been watching eBay for years and it was rare to have Adamski photos turn up with his personal sighting notes on them. 1st generation Adamski photos themselves are rare, but the ones I picked up are almost unheard of because of the notes. If you still have the name of that Sept. 1967 contact, please PM about it. I know a researcher that is coming out with a new Retro UFO book that would love access to that material.

on Dec 31st, 2012, 7:50pm, ufoscan wrote:
Funny that you went through much effort to get them only to want to sell them again!


Not funny at all. I've been downsized 2 times for a total of 3 years of out of the last 4 years. Being over 50 doesn't help. I've decided to start my own business and need the money. I knew the value when I bought the photos, and knew I could flip them for more than I paid. The question is do I want to sell them. No. I'm going to try to keep them if I can keep the bills paid.

No matter what you think about Adamski, he penetrated the world's psyche with the idea of life elsewhere. Like it or not, it's a watermark in the history of UFO's.

There are some researchers that think the alien phenomenon is manipulating people with stories that are acceptable to the time in history of their contact. Hence the Adamski experience mentions close planets, while later stories mention nearby galaxies as we progressed in our knowledge of the universe. All this is being done to raise the awareness of other lifeforms that has been happening throughout the ages. One of the researchers I'm talking to now is coming out with some unpublished Adamski images and information that may open up some more very interesting questions.
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« Reply #96 on: Jan 1st, 2013, 12:24pm »

on Dec 31st, 2012, 9:39pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
I've been watching eBay for years and it was rare to have Adamski photos turn up with his personal sighting notes on them. 1st generation Adamski photos themselves are rare, but the ones I picked up are almost unheard of because of the notes.
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A few months ago there was an autographed copy of "Flying Saucers Have Landed" on eBay along with a set of original pictures from Adamski. Adamski did write down info on the back of the pictures he sold to identify them. He also used a stamp at one point, where he sometimes added writing. Keep in mind this is back when there was little automation. If you had prints, the simplest way to put info on them was to write it. If you look at the link for the Tahalita Fry pictures, she too wrote down info on the back of her prints.

on Dec 31st, 2012, 9:39pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
If you still have the name of that Sept. 1967 contact, please PM about it. I know a researcher that is coming out with a new Retro UFO book that would love access to that material.

As I told in a previous post, about twenty years ago he got rid of all his collection. That was as a result of his wife leaving him because she had enough of his UFO and then, Urantia obsession !

on Dec 31st, 2012, 9:39pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
No matter what you think about Adamski, he penetrated the world's psyche with the idea of life elsewhere. Like it or not, it's a watermark in the history of UFO's.

As I said, I was heavily into this for many years and knew his "representative" (after he had passed away) Madeleine Rodeffer most of my life. She even gave me her autographed copy of Timothy Good's book on Adamski and gave me copies pf the prints made by Bill Sherwood from the original film footage (By the way, several of these have her handwriting on the back...). So yes, Adamski had quite an impact on me when I got interested in UFOs in terms of implanting the notion of contact with aliens. But he was a controversial figure from the start.

on Dec 31st, 2012, 9:39pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
There are some researchers that think the alien phenomenon is manipulating people with stories that are acceptable to the time in history of their contact.

Possibly, but that manipulation may actually be entirely through telepathic inspiration. In other words, certain people may be moved to tell stories of alien contact as if they were "real events" while they are in actual fact inspired fiction. The purpose of this would be to help open people's mind to such possibilities.

on Dec 31st, 2012, 9:39pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
Hence the Adamski experience mentions close planets, while later stories mention nearby galaxies as we progressed in our knowledge of the universe.

Well, if you single out Adamski, maybe so. But if you look at claims made by other contactees, some did claim back then that the aliens came from planets outside our solar system. Villa said his aliens came from Coma Berenices. As to our knowledge of the universe, we knew quite well back in the fifties (much before that, in fact) all about galaxies and constellations !

If anything, I think that claims of contact with beings of other galaxies assures the contactee that we won't ever be able to verify his claims. Unfortunately for Adamski we found out pretty soon that our neighbouring planets were devoid of human-type life.

on Dec 31st, 2012, 9:39pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
One of the researchers I'm talking to now is coming out with some unpublished Adamski images and information that may open up some more very interesting questions.

Well, whatever unpublished images one may come up with does not change the fact that what was for many years considered the most convincing argument in support of the Adamski case - the 1965 footage - has been effectively demonstrated to be a hoax. Also, one must be reminded that Adamski published a fictional account of alien contacts back in 1947 and that Timothy Good has demonstrated that much of his fictional account was retold as fact in Adamski's book "Inside the Space Ships". So trying to believe in Adamski's claims is very hard nowadays !

http://www.lulu.com/ca/en/shop/george-adamski/pioneers-of-space/paperback/product-13580953.html
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« Reply #97 on: Jan 1st, 2013, 1:02pm »

on Jan 1st, 2013, 12:24pm, ufoscan wrote:
A few months ago there was an autographed copy of "Flying Saucers Have Landed" on eBay along with a set of original pictures from Adamski. Adamski did write down info on the back of the pictures he sold to identify them. He also used a stamp at one point, where he sometimes added writing. Keep in mind this is back when there was little automation. If you had prints, the simplest way to put info on them was to write it. If you look at the link for the Tahalita Fry pictures, she too wrote down info on the back of her prints.


Yes, I know about those since those are mine. I've not seen anything like that being sold for years. If you know of anymore collections like this please PM.

I'm not suggesting Adamski's experiences were real. I don't know. I only mentioned there are some researchers that think the UFO/Alien Phenomenon is actively being suggested to people either through alien intervention or by covert terrestrial means. The reason is still unclear. Awareness of the universe may or may not be the reason.

on Jan 1st, 2013, 12:24pm, ufoscan wrote:
Well, if you single out Adamski, maybe so. But if you look at claims made by other contactees, some did claim back then that the aliens came from planets outside our solar system. Villa said his aliens came from Coma Berenices. As to our knowledge of the universe, we knew quite well back in the fifties (much before that, in fact) all about galaxies and constellations !


My point is hat the alien story/involvement in our culture is evolving over time to match our general awareness and education of the universe around us. That it may not be due to cultural means but by other influences.

New Adamski images would sure be something new to talk about. I think Timothy Goode is a great researcher, but he didn't have access to all of Adamski's imagery and the evidence that some researchers have uncovered about unseen influences on Adamski and others.

I'm very interested in the Villa and the other photos of this period so let's discuss more of that.
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on Jan 1st, 2013, 1:02pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
Yes, I know about those since those are mine. I've not seen anything like that being sold for years. If you know of anymore collections like this please PM.

The person I mentioned got rid of his collection over twenty years ago when he fell into a deep depression brought about by his wife leaving him. She was fed up with his obsession with UFOs !

on Jan 1st, 2013, 1:02pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
I'm not suggesting Adamski's experiences were real. I don't know.

Well... his photos were definitely not real. And it gets very hard to believe that someone would have real contacts and then fake photos to support his claims.

on Jan 1st, 2013, 1:02pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
I only mentioned there are some researchers that think the UFO/Alien Phenomenon is actively being suggested to people either through alien intervention or by covert terrestrial means.

I think we have to make a clear distinction between actual UFO manifestation happening all over Earth and the claims of alien contact that contactees made mostly in the fifties and sixties.

I have entertained the notion that contactees may have been inspired by alien intelligences to tell stories of alien contact so as to sensitize humanity to such a possibility.

Keep in mind that most people if faced with real alien contact would not be ready to jeopardize their reputation - both on a social and professional level - by revealing their experience publicly. Contactees on the other hand were people who quite enjoyed the attention their stories got them. They wrote books, gave interviews and gave lectures and enjoyed it all.

on Jan 1st, 2013, 1:02pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
My point is that the alien story/involvement in our culture is evolving over time to match our general awareness and education of the universe around us. That it may not be due to cultural means but by other influences.

I am not quite sure I agree here because most of the tales that are being told by people who claim alien contact are far from convincing and may very well originate with the people who tell them.

on Jan 1st, 2013, 1:02pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
New Adamski images would sure be something new to talk about.

I wonder what else can be said since Adamski's photographs have effectively been proven to be hoaxes. So one more or one less won't change that. I do know of an obscure Adamski picture that reveals a bump on the border of the model he used.

on Jan 1st, 2013, 1:02pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
I think Timothy Good is a great researcher, but he didn't have access to all of Adamski's imagery and the evidence that some researchers have uncovered about unseen influences on Adamski and others.

Before evoking mysterious "unseen influences", one should take a very hard objective look at Adamski's history of falsification. Adamski did write and publish "Pioneers of Space" in 1949 and Timothy Good has demonstrated that Adamski's book "Cosmic Philosophy" is essentially a reprinting of an earlier Adamski book "Wisdom of the Masters of the Far East" where he replaces instances of the word "masters" with "space brothers". So with fake books and fake pictures, the only way "unseen influences" may have been at work would be for them to influence Adamski to fabricate such stories. That is of course nothing but speculation.

on Jan 1st, 2013, 1:02pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
I'm very interested in the Villa and the other photos of this period so let's discuss more of that.

Sure !
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on Jan 1st, 2013, 11:20pm, ufoscan wrote:
Well... his photos were definitely not real. And it gets very hard to believe that someone would have real contacts and then fake photos to support his claims.


No, I'm not saying the photos are genuine UFO's, but that some researchers are looking at influences toward the contactees to do this fakery. There was more ridicule than fame for these people. This is not me saying this but other researchers who are looking at supposed surveillance records of them.


on Jan 1st, 2013, 11:20pm, ufoscan wrote:
I am not quite sure I agree here because most of the tales that are being told by people who claim alien contact are far from convincing and may very well originate with the people who tell them.


Nothing to agree about. I'm only quoting what some other researchers are looking at.

on Jan 1st, 2013, 11:20pm, ufoscan wrote:
I wonder what else can be said since Adamski's photographs have effectively been proven to be hoaxes. So one more or one less won't change that. I do know of an obscure Adamski picture that reveals a bump on the border of the model he used.


The photos are not the question, but if there were influences on him and others to do this beyond their own interests.

on Jan 1st, 2013, 11:20pm, ufoscan wrote:
Before evoking mysterious "unseen influences", one should take a very hard objective look at Adamski's history of falsification. Adamski did write and publish "Pioneers of Space" in 1949 and Timothy Good has demonstrated that Adamski's book "Cosmic Philosophy" is essentially a reprinting of an earlier Adamski book "Wisdom of the Masters of the Far East"...


Again, I'm only quoting what others are looking at. They are looking at Adamski's contact with terrestrial influences that date back to his early writings, suggesting he might have been prepared in some way. Could be prepared to share disinfo or whatever. Again, it's not my opinion. I merely am mentioning it here, because this is being looked at.
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on Jan 1st, 2013, 11:39pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
No, I'm not saying the photos are genuine UFO's, but that some researchers are looking at influences toward the contactees to do this fakery.

I can only speak from my own personal experiences and my own lifelong research both looking into this and being part of it. There could be hours of discussion in regards what I, friends and acquaintances experienced with UFOs and it is all a very complex puzzle - as if fact and fiction are interweaved.

I and others did have experiences that mirror what Adamski and Menger described - and that itself is puzzling. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if both Adamski and Menger did at some point encounter real alien manifestation. There is indication that Madeleine Rodeffer probably did - since a friend of mine was with her when an incident did occur.

Even though I try to be as objective as possible in regards the contactee stories, many people I have met have had experiences that very much mirror their claims.

As an example - as outrageous as it might seem - the wife of a good friend of mine claimed that in the sixties, she had regular contacts with a Martian family. This woman was quite well off and owned land and there was a clearing on her land where she claimed the Martian craft would land. She never told that account to anybody else but her husband and me.


on Jan 1st, 2013, 11:39pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
There was more ridicule than fame for these people.

I have heard that argument many times. But in truth, all of them had a solid fan base so they really did not care much what the outside world thought of them. It's the same as with Meier nowadays. He has a solid group of fans around him that supports him totally. So the rest of the world's opinion matters little to him at this point since his fanbase will believe anything he says without question and will support him financially.

It was quite a different story for Madeleine Rodeffer. Madeleine was unique in that she was herself totally overtaken by her belief in Adamski's claims of contact with friendly space brothers and felt it was her mission to spread the good news to the world.

Consequently, she rarely asked for money in return for her lectures and she gave out prints of the "craft" - only sometimes asking payment just for the processing. Her main concern was to spread the message of peace from the "space brothers". And I know that for having known Madeleine for many years. She suffered as a result and, yes, she was ridiculed. Also, her husband left her because she put all of her time into that "mission" and neglected their marriage.

But unfortunately, Madeleine did "fib" about one thing: She never saw the craft she claimed she had seen. All of that was masterminded by Adamski. Madeleine revealed in an interview with Timothy Good that Adamski had asked her to claim that she had taken the film footage herself and that he wasn't present. He wanted Madeleine's film to corroborate his story. But Madeleine refused. She only agreed to say that she made the film but that Adamski was standing next to her. That's what she told me when I first met her in 1968. But some years later, she revised her story and admitted that it was Adamski that made the footage...

However, she was still "fibbing" ( a cuter word than "lying"). She never did see the saucer because Adamski made that footage while she was resting and then told her she had just missed the UFO.

In other words, Madeleine was fooled by Adamski into thinking there really was a Venusian scout ship in front of her home and that the footage proved it. Madeleine believed Adamski's account and thought the footage was genuine, so she accepted to claim that she too had seen it even though she had not.

I have to admit Madeleine had me fooled for all those years because she sounded so much like she really saw that craft that it was her words to me that kept me believing for years that there was something to Adamski's claims. Even though I had a hard time with all of Adamski's photographic "evidence", Madeleine's words made the difference.

on Jan 1st, 2013, 11:39pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
The photos are not the question, but if there were influences on him and others to do this beyond their own interests...

I think there's a lot of conjecture. Keep in mind that there are many fiction writers that feel motivated to write their stories as if they were real events. We seldom question their veracity when they are about things we consider quite plausible. However, in recent years, a lot of hoax stories have been uncovered by journalists who decided to dig deeper into all sorts of claims that have been made in books wihich have turned out to be total fabrications... yet those stories had nothing to do with UFOs or aliens.

So before looking into extraordinary explanations, we should first consider the fact that humans have a propencity to tell stories where fact and fiction intermix. That has been so since the dawn of man and it is what mythology is made of.


on Jan 1st, 2013, 11:39pm, thepixelpusher wrote:
Again, I'm only quoting what others are looking at. They are looking at Adamski's contact with terrestrial influences that date back to his early writings, suggesting he might have been prepared in some way. Could be prepared to share disinfo or whatever..

Frankly, I think this has more to do with people trying to create mystery out of things that can be explained quite rationally. Yes, there may be the possibility of alien influence. And the only reason why I think this is that it is after all hearing about Adamski and Menger's claims of direct alien contact that opened my mind to this possibility and prepared me to have my own experiences. But I don't see how this can be equated with "disinformation". In fact, I think that the word "disinformation" is very much like the word "debunker": convenient words when we cannot come up with reasoned arguments.

And speaking of mythology, just look at what a well organized bunch of hoaxers have extrapolated from the Adamski "Venusian Scout Craft" and turned it into the Haunebu myth !
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« Reply #101 on: Feb 27th, 2013, 11:00am »

Villa's photo's are genuine.

How do I know?

I was taken for an examination by this medical group from Coma Berenices whom was, apparently, aware of a Vietnam injury that was causing a lot of pain. I was aboard one of the large craft at the same time being allowed to witness another one appear inside a huge cavern returning from Mexico, so I was told. A very tall red hair gentleman with eyes like a red tail hawk, wearing a white tech coat, walked over to me and asked what I knew about a green sun? There's more to the story, the fact remains, the craft and the people Villa described are real adult scientist. Thought I'd share this with you.
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« Reply #102 on: Feb 27th, 2013, 11:11am »

Welcome Dex. Please do share more of your experiences. It might be more interesting than the conjecture and tired second-hand information from some members here about the craft shown in the pictures.
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« Reply #103 on: Feb 27th, 2013, 11:46am »

on Feb 27th, 2013, 11:00am, Dex wrote:
Villa's photo's are genuine.

How do I know?

I was taken for an examination by this medical group from Coma Berenices whom was, apparently, aware of a Vietnam injury that was causing a lot of pain. I was aboard one of the large craft at the same time being allowed to witness another one appear inside a huge cavern returning from Mexico, so I was told. A very tall red hair gentleman with eyes like a red tail hawk, wearing a white tech coat, walked over to me and asked what I knew about a green sun? There's more to the story, the fact remains, the craft and the people Villa described are real adult scientist. Thought I'd share this with you.


Red hair gentleman ? Green Sun ?

How does that match up with anything Villa claimed ?

Notheless it's interesting that the scientists from Coma Berenices also wear white tech coats just like on Earth.

I hope you will also share your pictures of the craft so we can match it up with those appearing in Villa's "genuine" pictures...
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« Reply #104 on: Oct 10th, 2014, 5:30pm »

on Nov 5th, 2007, 12:19am, Imshadi wrote:
Excuse me. I do not want to go around randomly calling any image a hoax. I am a visual effects supervisor at an FX company, and I hope I can bring my expertise to the search for true UFO photographs.

Whatever you did to process your image does not show what you think it does (though I give you some credit and think you are just trying to be sarcastic). It is not a superposition of images. The object, I believe, was actually photographed in the same place and at the same time as the background.

To create realistic CG images, one has to study photography, and there you learn about optics and the workings of light, eyes and cameras.

In the case of this image, there is actually more depth of field (DOF) blur on the object, and that is indeed a sign of it being relatively close to the camera and smaller than one expects. But this is actually enough to know that the image is not that of a true UFO.

I ask anyone who's interested to check my work, so that you may have some idea what credibility to give me.

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