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« Thread started on: Aug 3rd, 2012, 12:24am »

I also wonder why MUFON WILL NOT officially investigate the Meier case?



http://www.ufodigest.com/article/mufon-meltdown
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 3rd, 2012, 11:09pm »

on Aug 3rd, 2012, 12:24am, Mythos wrote:
I also wonder why MUFON WILL NOT officially investigate the Meier case?



http://www.ufodigest.com/article/mufon-meltdown


Probably like most they think it's a hoax or at least not completely kosher.
That article is from Horn who is a rabid defender of all things Meier and a fanatic from what I have seen and heard in the past.
He was on a forum I was on and when some of us started to question the story he immediately went into defense mode and started attacking the 'non believers'.
That in itself does not make the tale false but when one looks at the various aspects of the case it has many problems and some outright lies and hoaxing.
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 6th, 2012, 01:10am »

Yeah, the Meier case had some awesome photos, that I'm sure people wanted to be real, I also recall some revelations of hoaxes, but there are still a few things I can't shake off:

1. When he was shooting his UFO pictures in the late 70's, he had a film camera and developed the film at the local Photomat (or Swiss equivalent), according to people who saw the negatives, every shot looked real (no strings, no obvious faking). So how could this one-armed guy, create every shot looking real? Or another way to put it, wouldn't you expect obvious fake shots MIXED in with the "real" looking ones?

2. There is a sequence, where he set up he Super 8 Movie Camera and filmed a UFO in a valley, while he stood behind and shot photos with his camera, it seems to me that would be near impossible to fake BOTH medias being shot at the same time...
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 6th, 2012, 4:39pm »

on Aug 6th, 2012, 01:10am, Mythos wrote:
Yeah, the Meier case had some awesome photos, that I'm sure people wanted to be real, I also recall some revelations of hoaxes, but there are still a few things I can't shake off:

1. When he was shooting his UFO pictures in the late 70's, he had a film camera and developed the film at the local Photomat (or Swiss equivalent), according to people who saw the negatives, every shot looked real (no strings, no obvious faking). So how could this one-armed guy, create every shot looking real? Or another way to put it, wouldn't you expect obvious fake shots MIXED in with the "real" looking ones?

2. There is a sequence, where he set up he Super 8 Movie Camera and filmed a UFO in a valley, while he stood behind and shot photos with his camera, it seems to me that would be near impossible to fake BOTH medias being shot at the same time...


But that's just it..no expert has ever seen the negatives. He has only shared them with people on the inside. Many have asked for original negs over the last 30 years so they can make an honest eval but no one gets any.
I can't answer the Super 8 question except to say perhaps he has had help over the years...or he used a tripod. I'm sure this has been addressed by those skeptical of his claims.
But the dinosaur pic which was shown to come from a book, the Semjase pics which were traced to a catalog and a tv show, the silver ufos with the silver ball rims which looked like his trash cans. etc have all been clearly shown to be fakes. So how does one accept the other pics and claims when clearly some are hoaxed?
And there are many other issues brought up in books over the years including a very interesting/colorful background when he was young.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 6th, 2012, 11:00pm »

Hear is a very interesting Meier Documentary,

I know there are many detractors, who pick away at parts of this story, but no one has been able to dispute ALL facets of the evidence and on this video there are plenty of other witnesses, so if this was a hoax, it was vastly widespread.

And such a wealth of evidence including: Recorded Videos, recorded sounds, metal samples, photos, etc. and nobody has been to explain how a one-armed farmer with a sixth grade education has come up with all of these.

There are other claims that Billy has made about religions and time travel makes one want to reject all of his story, and I am bewildered by it all...

Be sure to check out the Billy Meier Videos starting around minute 45.

Also, early into the video, there is a logical review of why it could not be a hoax...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8PjJq1UaNQ

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« Reply #5 on: Nov 7th, 2012, 12:16am »

on Nov 6th, 2012, 11:00pm, Mythos wrote:
Hear is a very interesting Meier Documentary,

I know there are many detractors, who pick away at parts of this story, but no one has been able to dispute ALL facets of the evidence and on this video there are plenty of other witnesses, so if this was a hoax, it was vastly widespread.

And such a wealth of evidence including: Recorded Videos, recorded sounds, metal samples, photos, etc. and nobody has been to explain how a one-armed farmer with a sixth grade education has come up with all of these.

There are other claims that Billy has made about religions and time travel makes one want to reject all of his story, and I am bewildered by it all...

Be sure to check out the Billy Meier Videos starting around minute 45.

Also, early into the video, there is a logical review of why it could not be a hoax...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8PjJq1UaNQ



That's the kind of nonsense that any intelligent person would reject...imo....but if you want to believe his tale maybe you should donate some money to his cult.

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« Reply #6 on: Nov 7th, 2012, 04:17am »

I am glad I am not the only one who sees MUFON for what it is; they bury the truth faster than the halfwits lol. My first impression of them was along the lines of Greer just out to line their pockets with silver but it seems they have a darker side. This is not to say all Mufon members are involved only being misled by who ever is pulling the strings be it NASA or the CIA, as for Meiers case I have no doubt he is genuine and some of his photos are the real thing, only problem with being a contactee is that it is easy to let the imagination run wild and when the frustration of no ones listening or believing what you are saying then it is tempting to fake items to gain attention that in the end allows the skeptic to shred any genuine evidence you have, best case scenario is just do not try to prove your telling the truth and be content in just releasing any evidence or story freely .as stated I believe he is genuine and he does not need some organizations blessing especially one that is no doubt corrupt just publish and be dammed.
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 8th, 2012, 10:58am »

on Nov 7th, 2012, 04:17am, hyundisonata wrote:
I am glad I am not the only one who sees MUFON for what it is; they bury the truth faster than the halfwits lol. My first impression of them was along the lines of Greer just out to line their pockets with silver but it seems they have a darker side. This is not to say all Mufon members are involved only being misled by who ever is pulling the strings be it NASA or the CIA, as for Meiers case I have no doubt he is genuine and some of his photos are the real thing, only problem with being a contactee is that it is easy to let the imagination run wild and when the frustration of no ones listening or believing what you are saying then it is tempting to fake items to gain attention that in the end allows the skeptic to shred any genuine evidence you have, best case scenario is just do not try to prove your telling the truth and be content in just releasing any evidence or story freely .as stated I believe he is genuine and he does not need some organizations blessing especially one that is no doubt corrupt just publish and be dammed.


A 'genuine contactee'.....who has proven faked pictures, proven faked images of his Semjase taken from a catalog and a tv show, a faked dinosaur pic from his 'time travels', a faked model found in his possession, an ex wife who said he faked things, cult followers who are fanatics who lie about his 'contacts', and reams of silly spiritual junk allegedly from his Pleadians.
Please............ rolleyes
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 9th, 2012, 01:37am »

There are some interesting things regarding the Billy Meier case.

First, since he refused to allow MUFON or any other UFO investigative organization to come investigate, they were the ones who started the "Well he must have something to hide" and then onto "He must be a fraud".

But the case was very well investigated back in the 80's by Retired Col. Wendell Stevens. Also, I have personally spoken with someone who visited Billy for a short time and is fully convinced that his claims are true (that was actress Shirley Maclaine).

It is interesting that people can find UFO Fraud Claims on the Internet and will blindly and readily accept them as as FACT, discounting EVERYTHING about a case!

Yet when the same person reads about a UFO Abduction Claim on the internet, it is quickly discounted, because, well, because it is on the internet...

I am aware of these claims that someone said Billy used existing photos to to portray Semjase, but has anyone read where Billy actually said that? I suspect, that Billy speaks no English, that things were lost in translation and it could have been as simple as "This girl LOOKS like Semjase", but the Debunkers are NOT going to accept something so simple, as it would wreck their entire story.

Next, there is interesting points during the You Tube video link above at about 1:00 to 2:50, have a listen if you want an overview of what this guy is about.

No one has been able to dispute a few of the most major evidences:
1. Billy recorded a UFO, for 48 minutes (shown in the You Tube video @ 41:00 minute, a sound engineer investigated the sounds and determined that it would have been near impossible to create (Yet I suppose a one-armed guy with no musical instruments made it?)
2. Billy was given a metal sample form the Aliens and when submitted for examination, the metal proved to have been made up of a strange combination of elements and had micro machine marks, that experts could not explain how it was made. (You Tube video @ 58:00).
3. Many people around Billy have seen UFO's or heard things, and NONE of them have ever come forward and said they were lying or that Billy was a fraud.
4. Billy's EX-Wife came out and said he was a fraud, but only AFTER they were divorced and anyone who believes that Ex-Wives ALWAYS tell the truth, should not look any further than right here at home, where ex-wives will routinely swear their ex-husband molested the kids, in order to get full custody, more money or simply REVENGE.. Personally I would rate an ex-wife's words, with the same skepticism given to a Prison inmate...

But the hardest part of Billy's claims (for me as well) have to be his claims of visiting the past and the Future and that ALL Religions are FALSE. Those in themselves are going to generate a world of disbelief.




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« Reply #9 on: Nov 27th, 2012, 10:49am »

Billy Meier is the guy who claimed to be a contactee and brought a plastic gun and took a photo of an old painting and claimed to be proof of his alien close encounter? He is a total fraud!
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 28th, 2012, 11:13am »

on Nov 27th, 2012, 10:49am, alvaroslash wrote:
Billy Meier is the guy who claimed to be a contactee and brought a plastic gun and took a photo of an old painting and claimed to be proof of his alien close encounter? He is a total fraud!


Personally I think he's a 'trickster'.........more than just a simple hoaxer.
But its clear many things within his tale have been shown to be false and others highly suspicious.

To me what's interesting is his past when he was a 'mercenary' and traveled in India and spent time with some gurus and some fakirs and it was said that he learned many of their tricks. This was in Light Years by Gary Kinder, one of the first to write a book on Meier.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 29th, 2012, 12:02am »

on Nov 28th, 2012, 11:13am, drwu23 wrote:
Personally I think he's a 'trickster'.........more than just a simple hoaxer.
But its clear many things within his tale have been shown to be false and others highly suspicious.

To me what's interesting is his past when he was a 'mercenary' and traveled in India and spent time with some gurus and some fakirs and it was said that he learned many of their tricks. This was in Light Years by Gary Kinder, one of the first to write a book on Meier.


Interestingly, Light Years was the book that got me interested in the Meier case...
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 29th, 2012, 12:16pm »

Klat, are you forgetting one of the very important lessons learned? Proving 99.9% of something fake or not real implies nothing about the remaining .1%.

Now when you disprove 99.9% of that .1% there's still something not explained.

Reminds me of a limit in calculus. You can approach zero but never get there. So it goes with some of this stuff.
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on Nov 27th, 2012, 10:49am, alvaroslash wrote:
Billy Meier is the guy who claimed to be a contactee and brought a plastic gun and took a photo of an old painting and claimed to be proof of his alien close encounter? He is a total fraud!


Where is that from? I never heard this...
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 4th, 2012, 11:55pm »

on Dec 4th, 2012, 9:24pm, Mythos wrote:
Where is that from? I never heard this...


I think he's referring to the 'space gun' Meier had and the pictures of Semjase were allegedly based on a Sears catalog pic and or a tv show woman.
And he took a pic of a dinosaur from a book and tried to pass it off as a pic he took while time traveling with his space buddies.
For me that's more than enough to say this man faked and hoaxed those experiences. Could some of his experiences be real..? Maybe.
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